1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 06 Mar 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 130       Contents:. Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask.. Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask.. Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask.. Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask.. Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask.5 Re: ANNOUNCING: Patch file for CVS v1.11 for OpenVMS. 5 Re: ANNOUNCING: Patch file for CVS v1.11 for OpenVMS. 5 Re: ANNOUNCING: Patch file for CVS v1.11 for OpenVMS. ' Re: CPUSANITY, CPU sanity timer expired ' Re: CPUSANITY, CPU sanity timer expired ' Re: Drop C/C++ better sooner than later  Echelon sons Re: Echelon sons/ Re: HP DAT drive now functional but JAVA broken / Re: HP DAT drive now functional but JAVA broken + In-memory layout of PACKED ARRAY OF BOOLEAN / Re: In-memory layout of PACKED ARRAY OF BOOLEAN ( Re: Intel joke (When I'm Sixty Four....)( Re: Intel joke (When I'm Sixty Four....)( Re: Intel joke (When I'm Sixty Four....)( RE: Intel joke (When I'm Sixty Four....)( Re: Intel joke (When I'm Sixty Four....)( Re: Intel joke (When I'm Sixty Four....) re: Janitor fixes 90L  RE: Janitor fixes 90L  Re: Janitor fixes 90L  Re: Janitor fixes 90L  Re: Just Two Days Left to Vote Re: Just Two Days Left to Vote Re: Just Two Days Left to Vote0 Re: Kevin Mitnick Rides Again... at The Register0 Re: Kevin Mitnick Rides Again... at The Register Re: Looking for benchmarks Re: Looking for benchmarks Re: Looking for benchmarks1 Re: Low Cost Alpha Price Drop - Now $850 Complete 1 Re: Low Cost Alpha Price Drop - Now $850 Complete  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  My copy of Inform  Re: My copy of Inform  Re: My copy of Inform  Re: My copy of Inform  Re: New Sun Blade  Re: New Sun Blade  Re: Offer ends March 31 ! Re: Oracle/OVMS7.1 Memory tuning? - Re: OT/Humour: Essential reading for managers  Re: PROD Utility Failure Re: PROD Utility Failure" Re: SWXCR reconfiguration problem.* Re: TURBOchannel frame buffer test results* Re: TURBOchannel frame buffer test results Unrecognised Disk  Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?  Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?  Re: VMS databases for hobbyist? , Women-Tone, firm and enlargre your breasts!-& [Q] sys$specific, sys$common and privs  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:44:54 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 7 Subject: Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask. 8 Message-ID: <g6j9atcmltnnf99melc4mv5tjersmbb09g@4ax.com>  F On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:49:02 -0800, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:   > J >Reminds me of the several times we got customers calling to complain thatK >they couldn't download files to their PC. When asked what make the PC was,  >they'd say "VT220"....   F Anyone remember the old colour VT dating back to the mid 80s? Was it a= VT125 or something? Also know as the Gigi. It had a DEC BASIC F interpretor built in and the ability to upload/download BASIC programs to/from a hot server.    >Shane >  >  >  >  > G >rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) on 03/02/2001 07:52:36 PM  >  >To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >cc: > 9 >Subject:  Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask.  >  > F >In article <C5Wn6.2271$TL4.923319@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C., >Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: > : >> http://web14.compaq.com/falco/detail.asp?FAQnum=FAQ2859 > J >That's an oldie but goodie.  I've seen it years ago in the "humorous help >desk stories" type of list.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:42:19 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>7 Subject: Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask. : Message-ID: <vz7p6.2553$5f.722530@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:g6j9atcmltnnf99melc4mv5tjersmbb09g@4ax.com...   > H > Anyone remember the old colour VT dating back to the mid 80s? Was it a? > VT125 or something? Also know as the Gigi. It had a DEC BASIC H > interpretor built in and the ability to upload/download BASIC programs > to/from a hot server.  >   J Remember it well. Used to fool around with one o' these primitive graphicsJ thingies back in 1983-4 when I worked with the aliens at POISE in Roswell, New Mexico.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2001 15:50:12 GMT 1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) 7 Subject: Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask. , Message-ID: <9830vk$2j7k$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  6 In article <3AA07B12.6B698726@childrenshc.org.nospam>,:  "Lyle W. West" <lyle.west@childrenshc.org.nospam> writes: |> Then there is the:  |>  ; |> 	Press any key to continue,  press any other key to quit   F Does nayone else here remember a company that made PD Keyboards calledE "Anykey Inc."??  They actually made a keyboard for a while with a key D labeled "ANY".  I wonder if I have one of them still floating around to take a digital picture of??   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 17:47:22 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 7 Subject: Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask. 0 Message-ID: <009F89C4.0D4F4BA4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <9830vk$2j7k$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:7 >In article <3AA07B12.6B698726@childrenshc.org.nospam>, ; > "Lyle W. West" <lyle.west@childrenshc.org.nospam> writes:  >|> Then there is the: >|> < >|> 	Press any key to continue,  press any other key to quit > G >Does nayone else here remember a company that made PD Keyboards called F >"Anykey Inc."??  They actually made a keyboard for a while with a keyE >labeled "ANY".  I wonder if I have one of them still floating around  >to take a digital picture of??   E Don't remember that but at a DEXPO in the early '90s I picked up some D keyboard buttons from a company that made custom labeled keytops.  IG got several {Panic} buttons (red) and several {Any Key} buttons (blue). F On my Alphas, I replaced all of the {Break} keys (F5) with the {Panic}E buttons just so that when I was away I could have my wife play remote E operator for me.  The red key made it easier to get her to press the   {Break} key.  D I recently came across the blue {Any Key} keytops.  If I get time, ID will install them on my keyboard and place a picture on my web site.F The big question for this group is, which key should be the {Any Key}?   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2001 12:54:17 -0500 7 From: hamilton@encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) 7 Subject: Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask. 3 Message-ID: <t0LbSxAbhg+8@eisner.encompasserve.org>    Brian,   Use any key you want.    :-)   q >In article <009F89C4.0D4F4BA4@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:  <snip>H > The big question for this group is, which key should be the {Any Key}? >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM 
 >             Q > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:02:41 +0100 - From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> > Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING: Patch file for CVS v1.11 for OpenVMS.3 Message-ID: <3AA4B5C1.31EAF9C2@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>    Robert Alan Byer wrote:  >  > You can find my patch at.  > K >         http://www.ourservers.net/public/vms/programming/vms_cvs-1_11.zip  > / > And you will need the CVS v1.11 source from..  > " >         ftp://ftp.cyclic.com/pub > M > Curently, its just a client and it does login to a server and will checkout P > files, but it dosen't convert file names like "config.h.in" and won't download0 > them and will bomb on directories like ".test" > J > I haven't tested out all the functions so I'm not sure what is and isn'tQ > working and you WILL get some link warnings about some functions missing, which J > I couldn't find so I'm not sure what's up with that, but it runs anyway.  C The undefined functions are in [LIB]REGEX.C but were not comiled in - correctly. Apply the patch below to get them.                    Jouk          polka-jj) diff regex.c regex.c;1 ************8 File $DISK2:[JOUKJ.PUBLIC.GNU.CVS.CVS-1_11.LIB]REGEX.C;3    25   #elif defined( VMS )    26   #define alloca malloc     27   #endif ******8 File $DISK2:[JOUKJ.PUBLIC.GNU.CVS.CVS-1_11.LIB]REGEX.C;1    25   #endif ************ ************8 File $DISK2:[JOUKJ.PUBLIC.GNU.CVS.CVS-1_11.LIB]REGEX.C;3  6039   #ifndef VMS 
  6040   const   6041   #endif  6042   char *2  6043   re_compile_pattern (pattern, length, bufp) ******8 File $DISK2:[JOUKJ.PUBLIC.GNU.CVS.CVS-1_11.LIB]REGEX.C;1  6037   6038   const char *2  6039   re_compile_pattern (pattern, length, bufp) ************ ************8 File $DISK2:[JOUKJ.PUBLIC.GNU.CVS.CVS-1_11.LIB]REGEX.C;3G  6072   #if defined (_REGEX_RE_COMP) || defined (_LIBC) || defined( VMS  )   6073  ******8 File $DISK2:[JOUKJ.PUBLIC.GNU.CVS.CVS-1_11.LIB]REGEX.C;17  6068   #if defined (_REGEX_RE_COMP) || defined (_LIBC)   6069  ************  & Number of difference sections found: 3% Number of difference records found: 7     DIFFERENCES /IGNORE=()/MERGED=1-8     $DISK2:[JOUKJ.PUBLIC.GNU.CVS.CVS-1_11.LIB]REGEX.C;3-7     $DISK2:[JOUKJ.PUBLIC.GNU.CVS.CVS-1_11.LIB]REGEX.C;1          polka-jj) dif regex.h  ************8 File $DISK2:[JOUKJ.PUBLIC.GNU.CVS.CVS-1_11.LIB]REGEX.H;2   426   #ifdef VMS'   427   extern char *re_compile_pattern 
   428   #else -   429   extern const char *re_compile_pattern    430   #endif5   431     _RE_ARGS ((const char *pattern, int length,  ******8 File $DISK2:[JOUKJ.PUBLIC.GNU.CVS.CVS-1_11.LIB]REGEX.H;1-   426   extern const char *re_compile_pattern 5   427     _RE_ARGS ((const char *pattern, int length,  ************  & Number of difference sections found: 1% Number of difference records found: 5     DIFFERENCES /IGNORE=()/MERGED=1-8     $DISK2:[JOUKJ.PUBLIC.GNU.CVS.CVS-1_11.LIB]REGEX.H;2-7     $DISK2:[JOUKJ.PUBLIC.GNU.CVS.CVS-1_11.LIB]REGEX.H;1    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:36:30 +0100 - From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> > Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING: Patch file for CVS v1.11 for OpenVMS.3 Message-ID: <3AA4BDAE.4731A3D3@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>    Robert Alan Byer wrote:  > L > After finding an older version of CVS on the OpenFreeware CD I wondered ifE > there was a newer version of CVS out that would work under OpenVMS.  >  > After checking...  > " >         ftp://ftp.cyclic.com/pub > M > I saw that CVS v1.11 was availalbe and it appeared to have OpenVMS support.  > K > After I unpacked the package I noticed that the OpenVMS files hadn't been M > updated in quite a few versions and it wouldn't compile correctly under DEC  > C v6.0 under OpenVMS v7.2  > N > After spending a day with it I created a new compile scrip and patched a few& > things and it appears to be working. > N > So I've put together a patch kit for CVS v1.11 so you can compile it and run  > it on under DEC C and OpenVMS. >   G I compiled it with Compaq C V6.2-006 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1. But when  1 checking out it stops at a certain moment saying: > cvs [checkout aborted]: cannot rename file pdf_base.ps_new_ to& pdf_base.ps: no such device or address  B the file  pdf_base.ps_new_ is existing. If you clear the directoryC and start cvs from the same process its stops one file earlier, if  H you clean the directory and start over with cvs started from a differentB process it stops at pdf_base.ps_new_ again. pdf_base.ps_new_ is ofE course the actual file in the repository I tried to checkout, However G whatever repository I try to checkout I always get the above behaviour.   G The same strange thing I encounter with the pre-compiled version on the  freeware CD.  F What can be the problem? I already checked quota (especially open file9 quota) but they are all sufficient at the time it breaks.                       Jouk    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2001 04:09:54 EST 1 From: byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer) > Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING: Patch file for CVS v1.11 for OpenVMS.1 Message-ID: <XY+QPdWPbNkF@cartman.ourservers.net>    >>  K >> I haven't tested out all the functions so I'm not sure what is and isn't R >> working and you WILL get some link warnings about some functions missing, whichK >> I couldn't find so I'm not sure what's up with that, but it runs anyway.  > E > The undefined functions are in [LIB]REGEX.C but were not comiled in / > correctly. Apply the patch below to get them.  >   G Thanks for tracking that down.  I just started to track that down today I while trying to figure out how I was going to try to do the Unix file and  directory name mapping stuff.   , I'll apply them and get a new patch kit out.  G I'm currently working on the current CVS snapshot of the latest release F of CVS and I'm hoping to have something with done with that here soon.   --    @  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Robert Alan Byer | byer@mail.ourservers.net | ICQ #65926579 |@  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Send an E-mail request to obtain a copy of my PGP key.      |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+@  | "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by |@  |  cans of cola the thoughts aquire speed, the hands aquire   |@  |  shakes, the shakes become a warning.  It is by caffeine    |@  |  alone I set my mind in motion."                            |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:55:22 +01001 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski@hotmail.com> 0 Subject: Re: CPUSANITY, CPU sanity timer expired. Message-ID: <9828pj$1uoa$1@news2.ipartners.pl>  H > Most (or all) alpha systems have upgradeable firmware.  Was a firmwareI > upgrade recommended for VMS 7.2-1, and did you do it?   The firmware is K > downloadable, but I've always found a firmware CD in the package with VMS  > alpha CDs. > D > Did you read the VMS release notes carefully?  There are sometimes$ > cautions about this sort of thing.  K We updated the firmware prior to VMS upgrade. Otherwise we wouldn't be able * even to boot from a CD with newer version.   T. D.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 19:48:46 +0100 2 From: Andreas Stiller <Andreas.Stiller@netsurf.de>0 Subject: Re: CPUSANITY, CPU sanity timer expired* Message-ID: <3AA5310E.2A22BA9C@netsurf.de>   Hi,   E doublecheck the ERRORLOG with DIA/since=<some hours before crash>. We H had these problems with defect CPU-boards getting hundreds of ECC errors" before finally crashing like this.   Andreas    Tomasz Dryjanski schrieb:  > J > > Most (or all) alpha systems have upgradeable firmware.  Was a firmwareK > > upgrade recommended for VMS 7.2-1, and did you do it?   The firmware is M > > downloadable, but I've always found a firmware CD in the package with VMS  > > alpha CDs. > > F > > Did you read the VMS release notes carefully?  There are sometimes& > > cautions about this sort of thing. > M > We updated the firmware prior to VMS upgrade. Otherwise we wouldn't be able , > even to boot from a CD with newer version. >  > T. D.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:34:22 -0500 " From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>0 Subject: Re: Drop C/C++ better sooner than later: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010306113059.02078e98@24.8.96.48>  A This thread has otherwise died, which is fine, but you have some  + misconceptions I don't want left lingering.l  1 At 03:18 AM 3/3/2001 +0000, Christof Brass wrote:e
  > Dan wrote:oD > > Once again, no it isn't. While the data structures are specifiedM > > differently--hashes instead of structs, for example--there's no practicalNM > > difference in dealing with them between perl and C. (Or Pascal, or COBOL,rL > > or Fortran, or C++) The only difference I can think of is that perl letsN > > you skip some of the mandatory declarations that the other languages have,O > > but that's it. (And I'm sure you're not complaining when shortcuts bite youPK > > for having taken them, right?) Walking the structures can be simpler inOM > > perl than in other languages, as generic code can walk hashes and arrays.h >IK >You missed the point. PERL data structures (oxymoron) cannot be read like (K >even in C because they aren't declared. Unfortunately I have to repeat my  J >explanation: PERL doesn't offer data types, instead you always deal with  >the instances.0  K This isn't true. You can restrict data structures in a number of different  J ways. The most common is to constrain hashes to have only a certain fixed 7 set of keys, which is easily doable without fancy code.e   >The knowledge aboutG >these instances is in the code (or in your head) but only in the data  J >structure after it has been created at runtime. Which leads to two major L >problems: there is no way to enforce proper building up the data structure # >in advance and no way to look at arJ >specific point of the program to "see" the structure. The only thing you > >can see if you are lucky is the way the structure is created.  F Nope. As I said, you can enforce things if you want. People generally F don't, but whether that's a good or bad thing depends on circumstance.   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- 2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evene;                                       teddy bears get drunkm   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 08:20:41 -0300i) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brW Subject: Echelon sonsbL Message-ID: <OFFA9C7CA7.CF63E386-ON03256A07.003E1B29@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  J Sounds interesting this article from The Register... about the translating soft (???) called FLUENT.e  1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/17361.htmle  S "Salvation: FLUENT allows them to search on "nuclear warhead" in English, and still-Q  dredge up Chinese (or whatever) documents for people with actual language skills 9 to translate and evaluate for them. Is that cool or what?:  T Presently, FLUENT can translate Chinese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, Serbo-Croatian  and Ukrainian, Reuters says. "2    Y Do the CIA think us (Brazil)  or Portugal, Angola, Mozambique or East Timor a menace ????w     Regardsr   FC   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:50:07 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Echelon sonso: Message-ID: <PG7p6.2557$5f.725419@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OFFA9C7CA7.CF63E386-ON03256A07.003E1B29@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...L > Sounds interesting this article from The Register... about the translating > soft (???) called FLUENT.5 >63 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/17361.htmlb >tK > "Salvation: FLUENT allows them to search on "nuclear warhead" in English,6	 and still2L >  dredge up Chinese (or whatever) documents for people with actual language skills; > to translate and evaluate for them. Is that cool or what?8 > G > Presently, FLUENT can translate Chinese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian,  Serbo-Croatian! >  and Ukrainian, Reuters says. "- >- >-G > Do the CIA think us (Brazil)  or Portugal, Angola, Mozambique or Easty Timor a menace ????a >n  L Not being employed by the Company, I woudn't know. But back in my spook daysK with a subsidiary of the NSA, it became evident to me that our intelligence@L community keeps track of just about everyone... whether they need to or not!  H That said, I seriously doubt that many people in Washington lie awake at' night pondering "the Brasilian Threat."s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:27:59 +0000p% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 8 Subject: Re: HP DAT drive now functional but JAVA broken8 Message-ID: <0ci9at0mamjb6e4ftl8bklku4oj7u6j0sd@4ax.com>  B On 2 Mar 2001 18:36:37 +0100, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) wrote:  a >In article <ohgv9tkhm77i2u1ot4okk5pf1bo0du4b8h@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:u >>I did G >>attempt to run the JAVA citrx client under 1.2 which worked fine with9D >>VMS 7.2-1 and it died with a huge splurge of error messages. StillB >>haven't been able to make the JAVA acrobat client work under anyH >>combination of JRE and VMS though even if I follow the instructions to@ >>the letter, The installation procedure hangs half way through. >a9 >I once got both applications running on a test system byuB >increasing some UAF parameters by a lot (ACRVIEWER was fine then,* >CITRIX Client had 'save setup' problems).  C I have a suspicion that my problems may be due to too *high* quotas  but am still investigating.   F >However, I was not able to make both running in my production system.E >Installation is ok, but ACRVIEWER hangs on the same line as the testaD >system did while the parameters have been too low. I so far haven'tH >found out which parameter need more/also raised on this system/cluster. >RD >Today I downloaded JAVA V1.2-23 and I will start my tests again RSN >(though I'm still on V7.2-1)-   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:35:20 +0000,% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>n8 Subject: Re: HP DAT drive now functional but JAVA broken8 Message-ID: <noi9atkp73fdddd1hkcov37biesshu0e0q@4ax.com>  C On Fri, 02 Mar 2001 20:34:19 +0000, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>o wrote:   >s >y >John L Ferguson wrote:D >  >oK >> The latest Java SDK v 1.2.2-3 fixes the Display Postscript problem.  See"O >> http://www.compaq.com/java/documentation/1.2.2/ovms/docs/JDK122_VMS_RELEASE_e >> NOTES.HTML#FIXED_PROBS. >>! >> The kit can be downloaded fromp2 >> http://www.compaq.com/java/download/index.html. >> >aO >Thanks for the prompt response. I'll download it Monday. Then have yet anotherl' >attempt at making java acrobat work...n  F Just noticed that the SDK is 1.2.2-3 but the fast VM is still 1.2.2-1.D Can I use that fast VM with the newer SDK or will I run into version, problems and/or display postscript problems.     >> >> John.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 09:36:33 +0000 % From: Paul Dias <paul.dias@bbc.co.uk>I4 Subject: In-memory layout of PACKED ARRAY OF BOOLEAN) Message-ID: <3AA4AFA1.C0C5366E@bbc.co.uk>i   Hi,t  M Can anyone describe how OpenVMS Pascal would arrange the following in memory:f    PACKED ARRAY [1..659] OF BOOLEAN  O The "OpenVMS Programming Interfaces: Calling a System Routine" book says that a N PACKED ARRAY [1..64] OF BOOLEAN is represented as a mask_quadword, but how are larger arrays handled?   Cheers,n   Paul.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:05:54 +0100u= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>o8 Subject: Re: In-memory layout of PACKED ARRAY OF BOOLEAN) Message-ID: <3AA4D2A1.377C38C4@gtech.com>    Paul Dias wrote:O > Can anyone describe how OpenVMS Pascal would arrange the following in memory:  > " > PACKED ARRAY [1..659] OF BOOLEAN > Q > The "OpenVMS Programming Interfaces: Calling a System Routine" book says that aIP > PACKED ARRAY [1..64] OF BOOLEAN is represented as a mask_quadword, but how are > larger arrays handled?  B PACKED ARRAY [1..64] OF BOOLEAN = mask_quadword => 1 bit per value  D so it would be very good guess that PACKED ARRAY [1..659] OF BOOLEAN wouldN> be 659 bites = 85 bytes (with a proper padding for alignment).   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 08:48:03 GMT % From: "P.Lj" <plj@byron.ext.telia.se>r1 Subject: Re: Intel joke (When I'm Sixty Four....) 2 Message-ID: <3AA4A452.CDC403F1@byron.ext.telia.se>   graphics or terminal ?  + I've seen the Raw Hide cowboy in the sunseti   /P.Ljt       Paul Repacholi wrote:i  ) > "P.Lj" <plj@byron.ext.telia.se> writes:  >eF > > Come to think of Beatles When I'm Sixty Four, excellent promo when > > their IA64 is out. > ? > Ah, looked at the top right of a #9 videoed 4100 as it inits?a >i > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.sB >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 09:56:06 +0000-" From: Nic P Clews <nclews@csc.com>1 Subject: Re: Intel joke (When I'm Sixty Four....)B@ Message-ID: <OFEF8BB6C4.C25CF908-ON80256A07.0036932F@eu.csc.com>  ; ...at the top of the graphics it reads (in yellow on a blueV background IIRC)  5 "When I'm sixty-four" and a  few musical notes icons.$  ( Saw the rider in the sunset, quite cool.  3 There is one machine which if you enter the commande: "sound" at the console, it plays a tune. Memory fails, but< was it stars and stripes or something? I think it was a 4000
 or a 4100.  ! Ha. In the UK latest TV ads......6  # Pentium 4.... still 32 bits though.t4 Going nowhere fast is the phrase that comes to mind.? It interests me that the gamers of this world are on 64 and 128E. bits, but this thread has been covered before.  
 Regards, Nic.* nclews at csc dot comP   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:01:10 GMT)% From: "P.Lj" <plj@byron.ext.telia.se>*1 Subject: Re: Intel joke (When I'm Sixty Four....)r2 Message-ID: <3AA4C384.759F4C62@byron.ext.telia.se>  H Yes, when you mention that, think I've seen it, we have terminals on our	 4100, but[D when we installed these a couple of years ago now, it must have been then!    /P.Lj*       Nic P Clews wrote:  = > ...at the top of the graphics it reads (in yellow on a bluex > background IIRC) >a7 > "When I'm sixty-four" and a  few musical notes icons.p >_* > Saw the rider in the sunset, quite cool. >c5 > There is one machine which if you enter the commandJ< > "sound" at the console, it plays a tune. Memory fails, but> > was it stars and stripes or something? I think it was a 4000 > or a 4100. >h# > Ha. In the UK latest TV ads......n >s% > Pentium 4.... still 32 bits though.r6 > Going nowhere fast is the phrase that comes to mind.A > It interests me that the gamers of this world are on 64 and 128[0 > bits, but this thread has been covered before. >- > Regards, Nic.- > nclews at csc dot coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 08:52:11 -0600j* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>1 Subject: RE: Intel joke (When I'm Sixty Four....).- Message-ID: <0033000017904591000002L012*@MHS>   5 =0AI've heard that the Compaq-branded DS series boxesw7 play "The Yellow Rose of Texas" when said SOUND commando is executed.   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ' > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:06 AM 8 > To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET3 > Subject: RE: Intel joke (When I'm Sixty Four....)b >  > 9 > Yes, when you mention that, think I've seen it, we haver > terminals on our > 4100, butOF > when we installed these a couple of years ago now, it must have been > then!d >t > /P.Ljw >  >n >a > Nic P Clews wrote: >n? > > ...at the top of the graphics it reads (in yellow on a bluea > > background IIRC) > >o9 > > "When I'm sixty-four" and a  few musical notes icons.  > >2, > > Saw the rider in the sunset, quite cool. > >o7 > > There is one machine which if you enter the commandb> > > "sound" at the console, it plays a tune. Memory fails, but@ > > was it stars and stripes or something? I think it was a 4000 > > or a 4100. > >c% > > Ha. In the UK latest TV ads......s > > ' > > Pentium 4.... still 32 bits though.h8 > > Going nowhere fast is the phrase that comes to mind.C > > It interests me that the gamers of this world are on 64 and 128f2 > > bits, but this thread has been covered before. > >c > > Regards, Nic.t > > nclews at csc dot come >=   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:56:00 -05002 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.DELETE.net>1 Subject: Re: Intel joke (When I'm Sixty Four....)a+ Message-ID: <3aa50913$1@newsfeed.vitts.com>l  / "Nic P Clews" <nclews@csc.com> wrote in message : news:OFEF8BB6C4.C25CF908-ON80256A07.0036932F@eu.csc.com...= > ...at the top of the graphics it reads (in yellow on a bluea > background IIRC) >A7 > "When I'm sixty-four" and a  few musical notes icons.- > * > Saw the rider in the sunset, quite cool. > 5 > There is one machine which if you enter the commandr< > "sound" at the console, it plays a tune. Memory fails, but> > was it stars and stripes or something? I think it was a 4000 > or a 4100.  7     I just did it the other night and I was shocked!!!!i  )     I was an Ultimate Workstation 533au2.t   >l# > Ha. In the UK latest TV ads......b >w% > Pentium 4.... still 32 bits though.n6 > Going nowhere fast is the phrase that comes to mind.A > It interests me that the gamers of this world are on 64 and 128l0 > bits, but this thread has been covered before. >t > Regards, Nic.  > nclews at csc dot comr >l   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 18:53:34 GMTI% From: "P.Lj" <plj@byron.ext.telia.se>i1 Subject: Re: Intel joke (When I'm Sixty Four....)-2 Message-ID: <3AA5323A.CA40E171@byron.ext.telia.se>  ? Correct, we tried that one this afternoon (DS10), wonder if the- GS*-machines has a tune ?-   /P.Lj+     WILLIAM WEBB wrote:   4 > I've heard that the Compaq-branded DS series boxes9 > play "The Yellow Rose of Texas" when said SOUND command- > is executed. >y > WWWebb >n > > -----Original Message-----3 > > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETh) > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:06 AMb: > > To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET5 > > Subject: RE: Intel joke (When I'm Sixty Four....)- > >- > >-; > > Yes, when you mention that, think I've seen it, we have- > > terminals on our
 > > 4100, but2H > > when we installed these a couple of years ago now, it must have been	 > > then!C > >I	 > > /P.Lji > >m > >p > >  > > Nic P Clews wrote: > >wA > > > ...at the top of the graphics it reads (in yellow on a bluef > > > background IIRC) > > >r; > > > "When I'm sixty-four" and a  few musical notes icons.a > > > . > > > Saw the rider in the sunset, quite cool. > > >t9 > > > There is one machine which if you enter the commandV@ > > > "sound" at the console, it plays a tune. Memory fails, butB > > > was it stars and stripes or something? I think it was a 4000 > > > or a 4100. > > >e' > > > Ha. In the UK latest TV ads......  > > >.) > > > Pentium 4.... still 32 bits though.-: > > > Going nowhere fast is the phrase that comes to mind.E > > > It interests me that the gamers of this world are on 64 and 128t4 > > > bits, but this thread has been covered before. > > >i > > > Regards, Nic.  > > > nclews at csc dot com  > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:09:13 +0000e/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>i Subject: re: Janitor fixes 90L7 Message-ID: <009F89B6.5719122F.11@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>g  L > > I was always fond of the one about the dead pigeons they kept finding onL > > the steps of the Baltic Exchange in London. It took a while, but someoneJ > > finally realised that they were flying through beam from the microwaveK > > communications dish on top of (I think) the Net West tower, and getting  > > cooked mid flight. > N > I suspect this is an urban legend. You can easily do _power_transfer_ in theL > microwave band and have people safely stand in the beam without any dangerM > whatsoever. You wouldn't do data transfer on the water band (2.1 GHz, IIRC).N > that is used by a microwave oven anyway, because air contains a variable butK > potentially large amount of water ("the rain in Spain falls mainly in thesP > plain"), and having a broken link in a London fog isn't that good an idea. ButK > even if you were using that band, it will take about 30s to a minute, I'd L > guesstimate, at quite high power levels to "cook" a pigeon's brain enough. >    Agreed.c  H the version of the story I've heard involved dead seagulls, a destroyer,F and a navy radar system. Slightly more plausible - some navy microwaveB systems are dangerously high-powered - but probably also a legend.   	Yours,a
 		Nigel Arnotn- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   s  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 08:51:37 -0600m* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: Janitor fixes 90L- Message-ID: <0033000017904518000002L082*@MHS>a  C =0AI know of a military base in Georgia (US State not Former Soviet > Republic) that had a radar system called PAVE PAWS that was soC powerful that they had to turn it off when aircraft landed to avoide7 accidental armament activation :^P on fighter aircraft.r   WWWebb > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETl' > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:18 AM 8 > To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET  > Subject: re: Janitor fixes 90L >  >y> > > > I was always fond of the one about the dead pigeons they > kept finding onW; > > > the steps of the Baltic Exchange in London. It took ac > while, but someone> > > > finally realised that they were flying through beam from > the microwavep: > > > communications dish on top of (I think) the Net West > tower, and getting > > > cooked mid flight. > >.8 > > I suspect this is an urban legend. You can easily do > _power_transfer_ in thet; > > microwave band and have people safely stand in the beam  > without any danger? > > whatsoever. You wouldn't do data transfer on the water band  > (2.1 GHz, IIRC) 8 > > that is used by a microwave oven anyway, because air > contains a variable buta? > > potentially large amount of water ("the rain in Spain fallse > mainly in the-; > > plain"), and having a broken link in a London fog isn't0 > that good an idea. But? > > even if you were using that band, it will take about 30s to9 > a minute, I'd07 > > guesstimate, at quite high power levels to "cook" as > pigeon's brain enough. > >s >.	 > Agreed.e >a? > the version of the story I've heard involved dead seagulls, a. > destroyer,H > and a navy radar system. Slightly more plausible - some navy microwav= enD > systems are dangerously high-powered - but probably also a legend. >l
 >      Yours,a >           Nigel Arnota$ >           NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK > A >           "In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."s >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:19:59 +0000i% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>z Subject: Re: Janitor fixes 90L8 Message-ID: <r6s9at4r1ds2pd3tjj34me8ciei6c017p7@4ax.com>  / On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:09:13 +0000, Nigel Arnotr$ <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> wrote:  M >> > I was always fond of the one about the dead pigeons they kept finding ondM >> > the steps of the Baltic Exchange in London. It took a while, but someone9K >> > finally realised that they were flying through beam from the microwavesL >> > communications dish on top of (I think) the Net West tower, and getting >> > cooked mid flight./ >> tO >> I suspect this is an urban legend. You can easily do _power_transfer_ in theeM >> microwave band and have people safely stand in the beam without any dangeraN >> whatsoever. You wouldn't do data transfer on the water band (2.1 GHz, IIRC)O >> that is used by a microwave oven anyway, because air contains a variable butnL >> potentially large amount of water ("the rain in Spain falls mainly in theQ >> plain"), and having a broken link in a London fog isn't that good an idea. ButrL >> even if you were using that band, it will take about 30s to a minute, I'dM >> guesstimate, at quite high power levels to "cook" a pigeon's brain enough.d >> o >  >Agreed. >lI >the version of the story I've heard involved dead seagulls, a destroyer, G >and a navy radar system. Slightly more plausible - some navy microwave C >systems are dangerously high-powered - but probably also a legend.-  C I saw a news report just a couple of weeks ago about the death of anE security guard very recently  I think in the US or Canada. ApparentlybE the guard had a habit of sitting in line of site of a large microwave>D comms dish to enjoy the outside air and stay warm, He had apparentlyE been warned many times not to do this but no action had been taken. AlA combination of snow risk and high usage over Christmas caused thetF telco to increase transmission power around tenfold and when the guard9 sat in front of it he fell asleep and was cooked to deathe   	Yours,l >		Nigel Arnot. >		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                    >J8 >		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:39:43 -0500p& From: Ken Robinson <ksrobin@erenj.com> Subject: Re: Janitor fixes 90L7 Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010306103853.03d5b170@clmail>a  5 At 02:19 PM 3/6/01 +0000, Alan Greig wrote (in part):m  D >I saw a news report just a couple of weeks ago about the death of aF >security guard very recently  I think in the US or Canada. ApparentlyF >the guard had a habit of sitting in line of site of a large microwaveE >comms dish to enjoy the outside air and stay warm, He had apparentlydF >been warned many times not to do this but no action had been taken. AB >combination of snow risk and high usage over Christmas caused theG >telco to increase transmission power around tenfold and when the guard-: >sat in front of it he fell asleep and was cooked to death  # This, too, is an Urban Legend. See :9 <http://www.darwinawards.com/legends/legends1998-11.html>n   Ken Robinson   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:49:58 +0000g% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>y' Subject: Re: Just Two Days Left to Votee8 Message-ID: <ojj9atsnf4p5lk224oa1r6dghht3k92aav@4ax.com>  4 On Sat, 03 Mar 2001 15:23:56 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  K >Yes, the chad-free electronic poll at www.compaqworkinggroup.org closes on:G >March 5. If you've got a hankering for affordable VMS, a suggestion totK >improve marketing, or even a suggestion on how to ramp up iPAQ production,gH >visit the site and speak your piece. Many of the issues you can vote on+ >contain text boxes for free-form comments.M >tI >Compaq's response to the most popular issues will be revealed to all andiJ >sundry early in May. A new issue submission cycle starts shortly as well.  D Over a year ago we were asked to vote for the most popular issues onA the VMS website. It ws promised the results of this would be madeeC public but they never were, The only suggestion (true or not) as tobB why nothing was published was that it could give competitors vitalE information on future directions. Why should this survey be differentl	 I wonder?e -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:47:02 GMTa4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>' Subject: Re: Just Two Days Left to Vote-: Message-ID: <WD7p6.2555$5f.724317@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:ojj9atsnf4p5lk224oa1r6dghht3k92aav@4ax.com...6 > On Sat, 03 Mar 2001 15:23:56 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"$ > <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: > J > >Yes, the chad-free electronic poll at www.compaqworkinggroup.org closes onI > >March 5. If you've got a hankering for affordable VMS, a suggestion to A > >improve marketing, or even a suggestion on how to ramp up iPAQp production, J > >visit the site and speak your piece. Many of the issues you can vote on- > >contain text boxes for free-form comments.  > >iK > >Compaq's response to the most popular issues will be revealed to all and6L > >sundry early in May. A new issue submission cycle starts shortly as well. >-F > Over a year ago we were asked to vote for the most popular issues onC > the VMS website. It ws promised the results of this would be madeoE > public but they never were, The only suggestion (true or not) as tosD > why nothing was published was that it could give competitors vitalG > information on future directions. Why should this survey be differentt > I wonder?  > --  E I don't recall the details of this year-old poll. Was it sponsored byA Compaq?.  I In the case of the advocacy mechanism at www.compaqworkinggroup.org, both F ITUG and ENCOMPASS have contributed substantial financial and personalI resources to the project. Compaq has done likewise. Compaq management has I agreed to provide responses to the issues deemed most important by survey  and vote participants.  J This effort was initiated at the behest of Bill Heil, and Howard Elias hasA indicated that he fully supports this and other advocacy efforts.i   cheers,.   terry s-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:48:57 -0500- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> ' Subject: Re: Just Two Days Left to Vote 4 Message-ID: <wy8p6.137162$Z2.1876054@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messageh4 news:WD7p6.2555$5f.724317@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... >r4 > "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message4 > news:ojj9atsnf4p5lk224oa1r6dghht3k92aav@4ax.com... >...E > > Over a year ago we were asked to vote for the most popular issuesi onE > > the VMS website. It ws promised the results of this would be madeoD > > public but they never were, The only suggestion (true or not) as toF > > why nothing was published was that it could give competitors vital? > > information on future directions. Why should this survey be.	 differente
 > > I wonder?: > > -- > D > I don't recall the details of this year-old poll. Was it sponsored by	 > Compaq?, >...  F It was on the http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/oldindex.html page= but that page is now gone. Google.com has that page cached atvF http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.openvms.compaq.com/oldindex.h tml+openvms+and+oldindex&hl=en  ' If you look at the cached page it says;e4                Help prioritize OpenVMS Engineering's6                new feature development - Survey period1                over.. Results will be posted soon   D I seem to recall the text being on the site for some months after we) were told the results would be published.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 08:33:57 -0500u0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com>9 Subject: Re: Kevin Mitnick Rides Again... at The Registert2 Message-ID: <FOekOvJlf12QbVPa5=kqk8Wcy4v6@4ax.com>  9 Thanks, Terry.  This was a good article.  If anyone wouldc8 know what he's talking about regarding this subject, Mr. Mitnick would be it.  4 On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 05:05:09 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:   >e >' >Stomp the identity thievesD >By: Kevin Mitnick  >Posted: 05/03/2001 at 19:17 GMT >t >eH >Identity theft is one of the fastest growing crimes in the country, and7 >there's no doubt that the Internet makes it easier....a >e2 >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/17358.html >T >E >    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2001 09:07:14 -0500-9 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)e9 Subject: Re: Kevin Mitnick Rides Again... at The Registert3 Message-ID: <N$if9qj6ddBh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <FOekOvJlf12QbVPa5=kqk8Wcy4v6@4ax.com>, David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com> writes:w; > Thanks, Terry.  This was a good article.  If anyone wouldt: > know what he's talking about regarding this subject, Mr. > Mitnick would be it.  I Now, how do I stop everybody and their brother from using my SSN as my IDeJ number. My employer IS my health care provider, and I can't even go to theJ doctor, dentist, or eye doctor without divulging it to everyone and havingE them pass it around like an STD. Refuse to provide it and they refusea
 treatment!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 09:49:08 +0100b= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>o# Subject: Re: Looking for benchmarksg) Message-ID: <3AA4A484.92B04420@gtech.com>    Timothy Stark wrote:J > I am looking for benchmarks to measure VAX processor how fast.  I prefer$ > it can measure how fast MIPS, etc.  7 http://www.levitte.org/~ava/vms_hw.htmlx has some info.n   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:14:27 -0000a0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org># Subject: Re: Looking for benchmarksi/ Message-ID: <ta9olj1dehkpde@corp.supernews.com>0   Hello folks:  H Well, I mean benchmark software to mesaure how fast Charon-VAX and otherF VAX emulators for tuning.  That's why I am looking for software to run# benchmarks to find VUPS, MIPS, etc.,  
 Thank you!   -- Tim Stark   -- i, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Mar 2001 23:50:41 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com># Subject: Re: Looking for benchmarkso- Message-ID: <87r90ahp66.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   2 Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org> writes:   > Hello folks: > J > Well, I mean benchmark software to mesaure how fast Charon-VAX and otherH > VAX emulators for tuning.  That's why I am looking for software to run% > benchmarks to find VUPS, MIPS, etc..  & See if the original SPEC is available.  3 Just to be sure the value of ONE has not changed :)    -- h< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda."@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 12:02:50 +0000,% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> : Subject: Re: Low Cost Alpha Price Drop - Now $850 Complete8 Message-ID: <2dk9atg9pdbi86nikoa0c2u5p0tmcuq5as@4ax.com>  8 On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 18:24:04 -0600 (CST), Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> wrote:2  - >"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> wrote:g >>	 >>Hunter,h >> >Hi, Kerry.n > F >>Just remembered that a few weeks ago, I removed my Netscape Java andL >>Javascript capability. Just turned it back on and indeed the site is a bit >>messed up. >>C >Yep, disabling Javascript causes the page to display, although the , >display is different from that shown in IE. > C >This probably explains the problem I've seen with other pages that B >load OK in IE but not Netscape.  It's especially frustrating when) >you're trying your best to never use IE!k  E Just tried it with Mozilla 0.8 on VMS and it appears to dsiplay fine.d2 Hmm it's very tempting to order one for hobby use.     >Thanks, Kerry.  >h >Hunteri >------a: >Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/< ><goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:02:54 -0500 - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> : Subject: Re: Low Cost Alpha Price Drop - Now $850 Complete( Message-ID: <3AA52646.EC35C101@ohio.edu>  O Tuesday noon Eastern (US) time it is still only partly working for Mac Netscape  4.76.f                   RDPe     Alan Greig wrote:   : > On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 18:24:04 -0600 (CST), Hunter Goatley! > <goathunter@goatley.com> wrote:a > / > >"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> wrote:t > >> > >>Hunter,o > >>
 > >Hi, Kerry.t > > H > >>Just remembered that a few weeks ago, I removed my Netscape Java andN > >>Javascript capability. Just turned it back on and indeed the site is a bit > >>messed up. > >>E > >Yep, disabling Javascript causes the page to display, although the . > >display is different from that shown in IE. > > E > >This probably explains the problem I've seen with other pages that D > >load OK in IE but not Netscape.  It's especially frustrating when+ > >you're trying your best to never use IE!  >rG > Just tried it with Mozilla 0.8 on VMS and it appears to dsiplay fine.e4 > Hmm it's very tempting to order one for hobby use. >  > >Thanks, Kerry.  > > 	 > >Hunterl	 > >------o< > >Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/> > ><goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/ >a > -- > Alan   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 09:43:47 +0100B= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> " Subject: Re: Low cost workstations) Message-ID: <3AA4A343.83374B1D@gtech.com>U   David Mathog wrote:e > In article <y4vgpow5np.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:B > >Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:L > >> > suitability for        0  zero         5  fair          10  excellent > >> >  "desktop" usage:I > >> Since VMS and Solaris uses the same GUI (X/Motif/CDE), then I do not:& > >> understand the different scores ! > >l= > >I didn't notice that one initially. This is clearly bogus.g > L > No it isn't.  Go set up a machine for desktop usage, ie, by a Secretary orK > other nontechnical user.  It's a nobrainer for Windows - you buy one from J > any of a zillion vendors with Windows, MS Office, and maybe a drawing orH > web design program or two.  The Secretary goes to work and you're doneK > (until the machine breaks.)  You simply cannot configure a VMS machine toaE > do this sort of work in a configuration that will satisfy this same L > Secretary, mostly because the software doesn't exist.  You can get halfwayI > there for Solaris (StarOffice), and even closer with Linux (intel only,v > with WordPerfect and such).a   ????  D That is not "platform suitability" that is "available software" once again !    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 09:47:14 +0100e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> " Subject: Re: Low cost workstations) Message-ID: <3AA4A412.1FF13E0C@gtech.com>g   David Mathog wrote:eq > In article <8994A66FFE9ED411BD200008C75D64FD753FA6@BELMAIL02>, "Vajhoej, Arne" <Arne.Vajhoej@GTECH.COM> writes:i: > >The reason that VMS is lower than Unix and NT in TCO is- > >exactly that it requires less management !a > M > Nope, my TCO for VMS is clearly higher than it is for my Unix machines. TheKM > initial cost is (much) higher, and the software maintenance costs (my time)sK > are also much higher.  It is true that I spend (a lot) less time managing0L > the VMS machine. But that is more than offset by the huge amount of time II > have to spend porting and maintaining software.  I can't eliminate that0M > cost since it's pointless having the machine without software to run on it.wL > Conversely, once the Linux systems are configured and running they requireF > little more care than does the VMS box, and I can obtain and installF > software on them much more easily (== lower cost) than I can on VMS.H > Typically a software install on Unix takes only a few minutes - that's > NEVER the case on VMS.  E We both know that porting Unix freeware to VMS can be quite painfull.   & But that is not typical for VMS usage.  E (if it were, then the problem would not be a problem anymore, becauseeD there woould be enough people to do the port and enough people using< them to make sure that changes go into the main development)   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:21:51 +0100m= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>f" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations) Message-ID: <3AA4AC2F.D859E40E@gtech.com>t   John Vottero wrote:t9 > "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message"% > news:3AA38D97.7211FA70@gtech.com...A > > David Mathog wrote:oE > > > cost to obtain OS      1  expensive   10  free           3  lowv > >aI > > "Solaris is free" is a bit of a myth. Solaris on x86 are really free.eE > > It is a toy that SUN give away to compete with Linux and Windows.rE > > Whether SUN sell a SPARC system for 5000 USD and give away a free F > > Solaris or sell the SPARC system for 3000 USD and sell the SolarisB > > for 2000 USD does not matter much. The only difference is that5 > > it is not much point in running Linux on SPARC !!e > G > Solaris for SPARC is free as long as the system has less than 8 CPUs.t  @ As I tried to explain, then "free" in bundled configurations are just good marketing.  L >                                                                        YouK > can buy a brand new SPARC workstation with unlimited user Solaris license 0 > for $995.  I want Compaq to compete with this!  F First, as I read various posts here then that price is excl. keyboard,	 mouse and C monitor and with only 128 MB RAM and 1 disk. I think you will be atoF $1500-2000 before you can use it. But $995 sounds great in marketing !  E Second, the system is probably way slower than a DS10 (at least otherr> 500 MHz UltraSparc II's are way slower than a DS10 in SPEC2000 benchmarks).  D So the system are not competing with DS10's. It is competing against cheap Linux x86 boxes.  * Should Compaq do something similar ? YES !  F A long time ago there were rumours about a DS05 (a low-cost DS10). AndD I really think that Compaq should have build it. I do not think thatC they could get quite as low as SUN. But a $1495 hardware box with a ( $795 VMS license would not be bad !  :-)  L > Check http://www.sun.com to verify this.  You don't have to go any further > then the front page.  + Ofcourse !  SUN are very good at marketing.w   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Mar 2001 05:50:35 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations- Message-ID: <87d7bvga1g.fsf@prep.synonet.com>V  4 mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  L > No it isn't.  Go set up a machine for desktop usage, ie, by a Secretary orL > other nontechnical user.  It's a nobrainer for Windows - you buy one from J > any of a zillion vendors with Windows, MS Office, and maybe a drawing orH > web design program or two.  The Secretary goes to work and you're doneK > (until the machine breaks.)  You simply cannot configure a VMS machine touF > do this sort of work in a configuration that will satisfy this same L > Secretary, mostly because the software doesn't exist.  You can get halfwayJ > there for Solaris (StarOffice), and even closer with Linux (intel only,  > with WordPerfect and such).   E ( I thought WP was available on VMS? Or has that gone MIA? One of thee) developers used to post here back when. )e  B David, the assumption is that the Sec or who ever, can 'just go toA work'. The 'you're done' bit is about 6 months to start with, andn never stops.  F But, yes, many do know Turd, via school etc. Oh, we seem to be back to the edu market again...    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:02:59 +0100r= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>e" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations) Message-ID: <3AA4D1F2.628EC14F@gtech.com>u   Paul Repacholi wrote:hG > ( I thought WP was available on VMS? Or has that gone MIA? One of thep+ > developers used to post here back when. )o  ( I know that WP 5.1 is available for VMS.  7 That was bleeding edge technology 10 years ago, but ...n   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Mar 2001 13:53:51 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>n" Subject: Re: Low cost workstationsH Message-ID: <y4r90b9hy8.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  4 mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  = > >I didn't notice that one initially. This is clearly bogus.eL > No it isn't.  Go set up a machine for desktop usage, ie, by a Secretary orL > other nontechnical user.  It's a nobrainer for Windows - you buy one from J > any of a zillion vendors with Windows, MS Office, and maybe a drawing orH > web design program or two.  The Secretary goes to work and you're doneK > (until the machine breaks.)  You simply cannot configure a VMS machine toCF > do this sort of work in a configuration that will satisfy this same 7 > Secretary, mostly because the software doesn't exist.   A So you are mixing two points on your list: the GUI itself and the B applications. There are a number of development environments that B will provide the same application with different GUIs depending on
 the platform.   E And being in a local minimum (with regard to user interface) never is-< an argument not to improve things and move to a better spot.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:03:51 +0000e- From: Peter Harding <harding@herald.ox.ac.uk>c" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations/ Message-ID: <3AA4E037.74A80F10@herald.ox.ac.uk>5   Arne Vajhj wrote:* > I know that WP 5.1 is available for VMS.  D Yes, and if you put your balls between two bricks you can smash them( together. Doesn't mean it's a good idea!  0 > That was bleeding edge technology 10 years ago  F That explains why the walls where I work are practically held together with dried blood.   G WP under OpenVMS is ****naaaaaaaasty****. We have a wholesale agreementuG with a local chicken butcher that we use when I have to fix the bits ofr it that we have left. Yuccchh.   -- . http://i.am/getting_married , ICQ 40628243 Tel 07092057581 Fax 08707345230   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:54:55 +0000t) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>x" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations, Message-ID: <3AA4EC2F.F990CFBA@infopuls.com>   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > A > Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:  > K > > > suitability for        0  zero         5  fair          10  excellentS > > >  "desktop" usageH > > Since VMS and Solaris uses the same GUI (X/Motif/CDE), then I do not% > > understand the different scores !e > O > I didn't notice that one initially. This is clearly bogus. In particular, the L > Win32 interface is broken in many ways, mostly by taking away choice (everO > tried to type into a window not on top? Dialog boxes refusing to go back? andnM > assorted other nonsense). Given Arne's comment, I'd give them 7,7,5 on thisy: > one - really good (a 9 to 10) is NeXTStep, for instance. > 
 >         Janw  & NeXTSTEP is very great. Watch MacOS X!The criticism about a secretary not beeing able to use a properly set up X11 machine is completely BS (see post from David Mathog). There are companies using Linux or other X11 UI hosts for there daily office work. Times have changed and they will continue to change.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:58:53 +0000t) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>o" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations, Message-ID: <3AA4ED1D.1A42AD24@infopuls.com>   David Mathog wrote:- > q > In article <8994A66FFE9ED411BD200008C75D64FD753FA6@BELMAIL02>, "Vajhoej, Arne" <Arne.Vajhoej@GTECH.COM> writes:t: > >The reason that VMS is lower than Unix and NT in TCO is- > >exactly that it requires less management !, > M > Nope, my TCO for VMS is clearly higher than it is for my Unix machines. ThegM > initial cost is (much) higher, and the software maintenance costs (my time)uK > are also much higher.  It is true that I spend (a lot) less time managingbL > the VMS machine. But that is more than offset by the huge amount of time II > have to spend porting and maintaining software.  I can't eliminate thatvM > cost since it's pointless having the machine without software to run on it.oL > Conversely, once the Linux systems are configured and running they requireF > little more care than does the VMS box, and I can obtain and installF > software on them much more easily (== lower cost) than I can on VMS.H > Typically a software install on Unix takes only a few minutes - that's > NEVER the case on VMS. > ; > The WNT machines, on the other hand, are a constant PITA.I > 
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu @ > Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, CaltechL > **************************************************************************L > *                                RIP VMS                                 *L > **************************************************************************   Y are comparing apples with peares. Porting software is not administration and is not meant to be counted in TCO. If the software you need isn't available use another OS if using VMS doesn't outweight the amount of porting.-   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2001 09:40:37 -0500o9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)h" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations3 Message-ID: <AKTEIBFKK$Uc@eisner.encompasserve.org>1  i In article <3AA4AC2F.D859E40E@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:l  G > Second, the system is probably way slower than a DS10 (at least othere@ > 500 MHz UltraSparc II's are way slower than a DS10 in SPEC2000 > benchmarks). > F > So the system are not competing with DS10's. It is competing against > cheap Linux x86 boxes.  H Don't think of it as competing against a DS10.  Think of it as competing1 against "the cheapest VMS machine Compaq offers".   D > A long time ago there were rumours about a DS05 (a low-cost DS10).  F I am convinced the DS05 ended up being called DS10L.  The goal was not reduced price but reduced size.5  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:08:01 +0000N% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>p" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations8 Message-ID: <98v9at0na5fbc039kpp9cs9g12bstturtb@4ax.com>  1 On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:03:51 +0000, Peter Harding<  <harding@herald.ox.ac.uk> wrote:   >Arne Vajhj wrote:K+ >> I know that WP 5.1 is available for VMS.s >oE >Yes, and if you put your balls between two bricks you can smash themi) >together. Doesn't mean it's a good idea!e  D WP 5.1 is the character cell version. There's a later GUI version of% WP for VMS under X available as well.t    1 >> That was bleeding edge technology 10 years agoe >'G >That explains why the walls where I work are practically held togetherp >with dried blood. >nH >WP under OpenVMS is ****naaaaaaaasty****. We have a wholesale agreementH >with a local chicken butcher that we use when I have to fix the bits of >it that we have left. Yuccchh.k   -- Alan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:50:01 -0500% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> " Subject: Re: Low cost workstations/ Message-ID: <taa5akjolch71a@news.supernews.com>   7 "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message"# news:3AA4AC2F.D859E40E@gtech.com...w > John Vottero wrote:-; > > "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message ' > > news:3AA38D97.7211FA70@gtech.com...i > > > David Mathog wrote:MG > > > > cost to obtain OS      1  expensive   10  free           3  low  > > > K > > > "Solaris is free" is a bit of a myth. Solaris on x86 are really free.wG > > > It is a toy that SUN give away to compete with Linux and Windows.uG > > > Whether SUN sell a SPARC system for 5000 USD and give away a freeaH > > > Solaris or sell the SPARC system for 3000 USD and sell the SolarisD > > > for 2000 USD does not matter much. The only difference is that7 > > > it is not much point in running Linux on SPARC !!g > > I > > Solaris for SPARC is free as long as the system has less than 8 CPUs.p >nB > As I tried to explain, then "free" in bundled configurations are > just good marketing. >a  I If I buy a SPARC Station on eBay I can download Solaris and legaly use ittL for commercial purposes.  That's my idea of free.  If I buy an Alpha on eBayH I have to pay Compaq a lot of maney for an OpenVMS license.  Even if theI Alpha has an OpenVMS license I have to pay hundreds of dollars to legallyc transfer the license.r   > >Y You E > > can buy a brand new SPARC workstation with unlimited user Solaris= license=2 > > for $995.  I want Compaq to compete with this! >aH > First, as I read various posts here then that price is excl. keyboard, > mouse and E > monitor and with only 128 MB RAM and 1 disk. I think you will be atdH > $1500-2000 before you can use it. But $995 sounds great in marketing ! >uG > Second, the system is probably way slower than a DS10 (at least othere@ > 500 MHz UltraSparc II's are way slower than a DS10 in SPEC2000 > benchmarks). >BF > So the system are not competing with DS10's. It is competing against > cheap Linux x86 boxes. >i, > Should Compaq do something similar ? YES ! >nH > A long time ago there were rumours about a DS05 (a low-cost DS10). AndF > I really think that Compaq should have build it. I do not think thatE > they could get quite as low as SUN. But a $1495 hardware box with an* > $795 VMS license would not be bad !  :-)  L If Compaq were to announce a $1495 box with a $795 VMS license they would beL saying "OpenVMS is a niche O/S and anyone that needs it will pay".  When SunL announced free Solaris and the $995 Sun Blade they were really saying "We're  going to kick Microsoft's ass!".   >yF > > Check http://www.sun.com to verify this.  You don't have to go any further  > > then the front page. >r- > Ofcourse !  SUN are very good at marketing.r >o > Arne   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 18:24:02 +0200 (MET)i1 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.exchange.de> " Subject: Re: Low cost workstations3 Message-ID: <01K0VWHF5NE89N4YKM@sysdev.exchange.de>   F > If I buy a SPARC Station on eBay I can download Solaris and legaly = use itF > for commercial purposes.  That's my idea of free.  If I buy an Alph=	 a on eBayiF > I have to pay Compaq a lot of maney for an OpenVMS license.  Even i= f theeF > Alpha has an OpenVMS license I have to pay hundreds of dollars to l= egally > transfer the license.c  ) What is the exact fee?  Does anyone know?A  @ I think the best solution is the following:  Price everything=20F individually: hardware, operating system, layered products, support. =  Of=20E course, this does not rule out any package deals, special offers etc=  =20sF containing one or more of these components.  Back in the days when bo= th=20 C hardware and software were much more expensive, the benefits of an=i =20cD all-in-one deal probably outweighed the costs, but in these days of= =20iE cheap disks etc that is no longer true.  Also, there are INDIVIDUALS=a =20.C and small firms running VMS, which was not true 20 years ago.  The=  =20  marketplace has changed.  E Of course, the "cost" for any of the above products does not have to=m =20eF reflect the "true cost" if Compaq sees a better way of pricing things= . =20iF This is no different than with other products.  Also, one or more of = the=200 costs might be zero, at least for some products.  F The point is there are many types of users, and if Compaq were to put=  me=20F in charge of pricing, I could come up with a scheme which would benef= it=20tD EVERYONE---Compaq, "small users" (hobbyists, start-ups, educational= =20 C sites) and "large users" with no disadvantage to anyone except the=a =20l* competition (what little there really is).     --=20dF Phillip Helbig              Email ........... helbphi@sysdev.exchange= .deeF Deutsche B=F6rse Systems AG   Email ... Phillip.Helbig@Deutsche-Boers= e.comaF Xetra/Eurex Operations      Tel. ...................... +49 69 2101 4= 921eF 60485 Frankfurt am Main     Fax ....................... +49 69 2101 3= 411g  F My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer and, no, I don't= =20o have any stock tips for you.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2001 09:29:16 -0700a1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)v" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations, Message-ID: <epfBPSA2SkFh@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  0 In article <taa5akjolch71a@news.supernews.com>, +     "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:SJ >> > Solaris for SPARC is free as long as the system has less than 8 CPUs. >>C >> As I tried to explain, then "free" in bundled configurations aret >> just good marketing.n >> > K > If I buy a SPARC Station on eBay I can download Solaris and legaly use it N > for commercial purposes.  That's my idea of free.  If I buy an Alpha on eBayJ > I have to pay Compaq a lot of maney for an OpenVMS license.  Even if theK > Alpha has an OpenVMS license I have to pay hundreds of dollars to legallya > transfer the license.o >   <     Are there SPARC systems not built by Sun? Is Solaris theC only commercial OS available for SPARC? If the answer to both thesehG questions is YES then one could argue that Solaris is in fact "bundled"BD in the cost of the SPARC system when someone originally purchase it.R At the very least though it would seem they are giving free "right to new version"G for Solaris, something you pay Compaq a hefty fee to get for a VMS box.t  B    Of course even if that were the case ( and I don't know that itC is ), that would still put them miles ahead of Compaq's "can't moveuN VMS between boxes - must pay us to transfer the box to someone else" attitude.  I >> A long time ago there were rumours about a DS05 (a low-cost DS10). AnddG >> I really think that Compaq should have build it. I do not think that F >> they could get quite as low as SUN. But a $1495 hardware box with a+ >> $795 VMS license would not be bad !  :-)' > N > If Compaq were to announce a $1495 box with a $795 VMS license they would beN > saying "OpenVMS is a niche O/S and anyone that needs it will pay".  When SunN > announced free Solaris and the $995 Sun Blade they were really saying "We're" > going to kick Microsoft's ass!". > L    Therein lies the crucial difference. Kicking apparently isn't the action C Compaq wants to do with MS's ass. It seems Compaq isn't going to dorF anything that offends Microsoft, they're too dependant on MS for theirJ core business. It seems a key part of that strategy is to only sell VMS in# markets where MS isn't a contender.o   ------------------------------    Date: 07 Mar 2001 02:04:31 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations- Message-ID: <87itlmhiz3.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   3 nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:t  C > Therein lies the crucial difference. Kicking apparently isn't theeF > action Compaq wants to do with MS's ass. It seems Compaq isn't goingD > to do anything that offends Microsoft, they're too dependant on MSE > for their core business. It seems a key part of that strategy is to 6 > only sell VMS in markets where MS isn't a contender.   Arse, yes, kicking, no...t  C But it is not where they get their PROFIT. The Q's marin of PCs and F gateshit was almost zero last year. VMS, 50%. Seems a no brainer where9 they should be putting their efforts at growing the base.    -- 5< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 17:29:25 GMT:4 From: "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@removeme.hotmail.com> Subject: My copy of Inform3 Message-ID: <983899649.83702@ananke.eclipse.net.uk>?  J Have received my copy of inform today. Great article on VMS, but should be near the front!  Hat's off to Terry!oD But turn the page and it seems VMS will no longer be for my desktop.J "develop Open VMS apps in a PC environment" mmm unsure of the full motivesJ here but only a minor point. Good news on the educational licence program!L I have looked for an electronic copy, but failed. (possibly due to stupidityL :) )Can anyone post a link if this is available on the net ? I can copy into' an e mail and send to the higher ups!!!t   TIAT   Andy ProctorI (remove the obvious in the reply address to reply directly, but better tor reply to the group)t   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 18:51:53 +0200 (MET)i1 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.exchange.de>w Subject: Re: My copy of Inform3 Message-ID: <01K0VXNWPES69N4YKM@sysdev.exchange.de>u  F > But turn the page and it seems VMS will no longer be for my desktop= .oF > "develop Open VMS apps in a PC environment" mmm unsure of the full = motivesm! > here but only a minor point.=20e  C As I pointed out here a while ago, Compaq (or was it still Digital=  =20 F then?) has stated in writing that VMS will be available on workstatio= ns=20e2 as long as VMS is available---for what it's worth!  / > Good news on the educational licence program!(    Can someone bring me up to date?     --=20gF Phillip Helbig              Email ........... helbphi@sysdev.exchange= .de-F Deutsche B=F6rse Systems AG   Email ... Phillip.Helbig@Deutsche-Boers= e.comnF Xetra/Eurex Operations      Tel. ...................... +49 69 2101 4= 921 F 60485 Frankfurt am Main     Fax ....................... +49 69 2101 3= 4115  F My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer and, no, I don't= =20o have any stock tips for you.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 17:55:51 GMTa= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)l Subject: Re: My copy of Inform0 Message-ID: <009F89C5.3CCFD34B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  j In article <983899649.83702@ananke.eclipse.net.uk>, "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@removeme.hotmail.com> writes:K >Have received my copy of inform today. Great article on VMS, but should be3 >near the front! >Hat's off to Terry!E >But turn the page and it seems VMS will no longer be for my desktop.rK >"develop Open VMS apps in a PC environment" mmm unsure of the full motives K >here but only a minor point. Good news on the educational licence program! M >I have looked for an electronic copy, but failed. (possibly due to stupiditytM >:) )Can anyone post a link if this is available on the net ? I can copy intok( >an e mail and send to the higher ups!!!   Really!U  J I got two copies and sent them directly to the special handling receptacleK for subsequent filing with the local sanitation dept.  I thought InForm had K befallen prey to being little more than another venue for Compaq to push PCr
 "technology".p   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.N   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 18:15:11 GMTc4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: My copy of Inform: Message-ID: <PO9p6.3009$5f.776960@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  J "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:009F89C5.3CCFD34B@SendSpamHere.ORG...D > In article <983899649.83702@ananke.eclipse.net.uk>, "Andy Proctor"' <aproctor@removeme.hotmail.com> writes:<J > >Have received my copy of inform today. Great article on VMS, but should be > >near the front! > >Hat's off to Terry!G > >But turn the page and it seems VMS will no longer be for my desktop."E > >"develop Open VMS apps in a PC environment" mmm unsure of the fullS motives D > >here but only a minor point. Good news on the educational licence program!E > >I have looked for an electronic copy, but failed. (possibly due tos	 stupiditynJ > >:) )Can anyone post a link if this is available on the net ? I can copy into* > >an e mail and send to the higher ups!!! >o	 > Really!e >nL > I got two copies and sent them directly to the special handling receptacleI > for subsequent filing with the local sanitation dept.  I thought InForme hadvJ > befallen prey to being little more than another venue for Compaq to push PC > "technology".n >t  J To be fair to Compaq, Inform is a heck of a lot better today than it was aI year or so ago. The company apparently is putting some resources into the F publication. It would be nice to see more non-marketing content in the periodical, though.o   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Mar 2001 19:21:46 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: New Sun Blade- Message-ID: <87vgpnta5x.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / Terry C Shannon <shannon@world.std.com> writes:o  $ > On 5 Mar 2001, David Mathog wrote:  * > > In article= > > <OFC35D97C6.27541FF3-ON88256A06.00616FF0@foundation.com>, ' > > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:*  C > > >But it's better than Compaq's nonexistant offering in the same*C > > >price range.  Before denouncing it though, we should watch the 0 > > >sales. It's only feeble if it doesn't sell.  F > > Actually, I am slightly surprised that Sun has not made a big push0 > > with a "First 64bit system under $1K" theme.  -D > For a company that can market circles around even Slick Willie andD > the Ragin' Cajun, it is indeed strange that Sun would pass up suchE > an opportunity. Perhaps Andrew Harrison will pass the idea along ton > Scott McNealy.  5 > It's the MARKETING, Stupid!5  9 Well, a little puppy wispered another M word in my ear...d  9 Marketing? Thats a Dell product isn't it? Runs Microsoft.e   -- 0< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.h@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2001 09:38:13 -0500"9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)l Subject: Re: New Sun Blade3 Message-ID: <91H48Brtkt32@eisner.encompasserve.org>w  _ In article <980s6d$s@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:=  K > Actually, I am slightly surprised that Sun has not made a big push with aiL > "First 64bit system under $1K" theme.  Personally I think the 64bitness ofM > machines that cannot access >2Gb of memory is of questionable value, but if L > Sun and Compaq are going to flog it as an advantage for the more expensiveJ > workstation machines (which also cannot access more memory than that) itF > would seem to be an equally valid sales point for the smaller ones.   B David, the purpose of 64-bit addressing on machines that hold lessB that 4 gigabytes of memory is your favorite occupation -- buildingB software.  The goal is for a software developer to be able to make< software that will work seamlessly on a much bigger machine.  C One disk and 128MB seems quite fine to me for software development.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:53:43 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>  Subject: Re: Offer ends March 31: Message-ID: <bK7p6.2561$5f.726448@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  , <info@stitchescreation.com> wrote in message2 news:200103060631.f266V6S24106@zeus.ihermes.com...L > This is to announce our Valued Customer Offer for digitizing orders during the month of March only: >o2 > One Design up to 5,000st will receive $10.00 off3 > One Design up to 10,000st will receive $20.00 offA3 > One Design up to 20,000st will receive $50.00 off" >eL > This offer is available on any order for delivery until March 31, 2001 and@ is our way of saying thank you for being such a valued customer. >0I > We hope you take advantage of this offer and will send us your purchase12 order today.  We look forward to hearing from you.   > www.stitchescreation.com >   I Well, this post *does* have something to do with developing multithreadedyG applications, albeit not in the context I tend to think of such things.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 12:13:14 +0000m% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> * Subject: Re: Oracle/OVMS7.1 Memory tuning?8 Message-ID: <7jk9at4evs3javg0elrfjv5bc071b812mu@4ax.com>  - On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:48:20 +0800, Netsurfer , <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com> wrote:  3 >Just upgraded from 256MB to 640MB on my Alpha4000.d > G >Without the original OpenVMS SysAdmin manual for the OpenVMS system, InC >am totally lost in tuning the system after the increase of memory.r  A f you are totally stuck at tuning Oracle then you can use the not F quite so optimal approach of increasing the operating system disk readE cache. Try setting SYSGEN param VCC_MAXSIZE to 200000 (size in blocksnD so equals 100MB). Last time I suggested this someone (don't rememberF who offhand) said that Oracle bypassed the VMS read cache so this doesD no good. I can now confirm that Oracle 8.0.5 on VMS 7.2-1 definitely. does not bypass the read cache on our systems.  E This should be a safe change to make. If performance improves you can C experiment further. The default read cache is only 6400 (3MB) which!3 might as well be zero for all it does at this size.n     -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Mar 2001 10:33:54 -0600& From: Charles Sebold <sebold@lcms.org>6 Subject: Re: OT/Humour: Essential reading for managers, Message-ID: <m3wva2q2kt.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>  % On 7 Adar 5761, Shane F. Smith wrote:   . > I can't believe someone actually wrote this: > / > http://www.tuplay.com/display.asp?s=s&i=4&p=1l  , I believe User Friendly originated this one:  2 MCSE = Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert  = (My personal favorite is "Must Consult Someone Experienced.")e --  " Charles Sebold, Systems Specialist$ LCMS - Office of Information Systems5 *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***h5 *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***h -- 11th of Adar, 5761 --D Inscription found at Pompeii: Nero MCCCXXXVII VkrIpVII kIddXIII est.  !  -- Black Parrot, on slashdot.orgo   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:41:19 GMTg8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)! Subject: Re: PROD Utility Failure:6 Message-ID: <zy7p6.33$dd.1819@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  M In article <rdeininger-0503012259580001@user-2ivec2q.dialup.mindspring.com>, K4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: ..P >I have seen a weird problem with PCSI related to slightly broken logical names. ..  > O.K., now I am venturing a bit outside my area of expertise.  A Others may know better than I what I am tallking about, so please 5 regard this as personal advice, not "official" edict.s   That said...  @ I think it is not the logical names that are "slightly broken", 8 but the data structure that represents the mounted disk.  G When a disk is mounted, a logical name is created AND a pointer to thatu> logical name is put in the data structure for the disk device.  = If a logical name is changed or created other than by MOUNT, o= that pointer is NOT updated.  As a result, GETDVI may return w> stale/wrong information -- and PCSI can be "confused" by this.  B It is possible that SET VOLUME /LABEL can produce similar results.  1 As a practical matter, I recommend the following:a  D     1) Don't [re]define/assign your own DISK$<device> logical names.)        Let the MOUNT command define them.   1     2) Remount a volume after changing its label.e  > In many cases, this will not be a problem, but some software, 1 including the PCSI utility, is sensitive to this.h   -- oK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAiH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:42:19 GMT"8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)! Subject: Re: PROD Utility Failured6 Message-ID: <vz7p6.34$dd.1819@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  7 In article <3AA3E857.FF42CB8B@vmmc.org>, Jack Trachtman ! <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> writes:d  L >No private disks mounted.  Checked all DISK$* logicals.  Dismounted all butP >system disk and repeated PROD REGISTER VMS cmd with same results (ie no PCSI dbD >files created.)  Ran ANA/DISK and found no problems on system disk. >4M >Is there any way to reinstall PCSI?  Or possibly copy all its parts from the  >V7.2-1 distribution CD?  C Yes, in theory you can copy the PCSI*.EXE files from SYS$SYSTEM and G SYS$LIBRARY, and all the PCSI*.* files from SYS$UPDATE, and re-load the G PCSI.CLD.  Or you could re-install OpenVMS -- which might be less error.F prone.  BUT, I don't see this as the problem -- or as the next step in fixing the problem.m   Please check the following.A  = (1) Run ANALYZE/DISK on the system disk.  Any problems found?                3 (2) Check that SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000]VMS$COMMON.DIRsD and SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0]SYSCOMMON.DIR are aliases for the same file.B Do this by comapring FILE IDS as follows (your actual file IDs may) be different, but they must be the same):B    0 $ dir /file sys$sysdevice:[000000]vms$common.dir    Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000]  7 VMS$COMMON.DIR;1                         (15,1,0) <---.e7                                                       |RC $ dir /file sys$sysdevice:[sys0]syscommon.dir         | Must be theb@                                                       | same ID.7 Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0]                        |e7                                                       |e7 SYSCOMMON.DIR;1                          (15,1,0) <---'i    I Meanwhile, we are trying to think what else might be causing the problem.e   --K     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAnH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Mar 2001 22:42:42 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>+ Subject: Re: SWXCR reconfiguration problem. - Message-ID: <87zoezgdr1.fsf@prep.synonet.com>$  7 "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> writes:b  E > in order to rearrange DRA1 you have to delete DRA4,3,2 change 1 thel > add 2,3,4.   I was afraid of that.   C >  Make sure when adding them back you DO NOT init, just add.  AlsoeD > make sure you save config to floppy before starting as if anything1 > happens you can go back to the original config.l   Yes, good idea. That I will do.    -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 01 14:38:36 GMT-- From: jason@azure.dstc.edu.au (jason andrade) 3 Subject: Re: TURBOchannel frame buffer test results:) Message-ID: <jason.983889516@dstc.edu.au>i  ( Jerry Hudgins <jerry@e-farm.com> writes:  D >For what it's worth, I believe that the 24-plane PMAGB-J would haveD >the same compatibility characteristics as the 8-plane PMAG-J listedE >above.  This might be a cheap route to TrueColor for DU/T64 systems.e  B probably - but there is a world of difference in usability betweenA the two cards.  from subjective feel, the J is very s l o w.  ther> PMAGD-BA on the other hand was at least as snappy as 8 bit HX.  A to put it in perspective though, i've used the -J on a decstation > 5000/240 and the only thing i could think of was "i wish i had1 an alpha to drive this card to the usable point".r  C >The best choices among the devices tested, in terms of color depth1B >and compatibility, are clearly the ZLX-E2 and ZLX-E3.  I ended up! >leaving these in my own systems.   A what's the difference between E3 and E2 btw ? just FB memory ? (il7 have a E2 here i think, but have never seen/used an E3)u   -jason   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 18:44:18 GMT & From: Jerry Hudgins <jerry@e-farm.com>3 Subject: Re: TURBOchannel frame buffer test resultsi* Message-ID: <3AA53001.38C107EC@e-farm.com>   jason andrade wrote: > * > Jerry Hudgins <jerry@e-farm.com> writes: > F > >For what it's worth, I believe that the 24-plane PMAGB-J would haveF > >the same compatibility characteristics as the 8-plane PMAG-J listedG > >above.  This might be a cheap route to TrueColor for DU/T64 systems.o > D > probably - but there is a world of difference in usability betweenC > the two cards.  from subjective feel, the J is very s l o w.  theo@ > PMAGD-BA on the other hand was at least as snappy as 8 bit HX.  @ My limited experience supports this.  The TX card was noticeably" slower than the ZLX on a 3000/700.  C > what's the difference between E3 and E2 btw ? just FB memory ? (iM9 > have a E2 here i think, but have never seen/used an E3)u  E The -E2 is an 8 MB device, with no Z-buffer.  The -E3 adds a Z-buffera and another 8 MB.u   -jch   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 17:21:30 GMTe4 From: "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@removeme.hotmail.com> Subject: Unrecognised Disk4 Message-ID: <983899174.187955@ananke.eclipse.net.uk>   All,   Alphastation 255/300 Console BIOS V7.0-9h VMS 7.1   H I have tried to install a Western Digital 18.3GB HDD (WDE18300-AV0038A4)K disk into the unit above. It is not even recognised by the BIOS, nada not ae sausage, on any address.A All other devices recognised OK, and the 2GB DEC disk works fine.   0 Any clues why the disk is not recognised please?  E Note: The disk is 68 pin, the but is 50 pin. I'm using a 50 to 68 pine converter. Used them before ok..   TIA for any help   AndyI (remove the obvious bit in my reply address to reply directly, but better9 replying to group)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 07:09:17 +0100 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>( Subject: Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?- Message-ID: <3AA47F0D.32D8509C@volkswagen.de>b   ...V, > rdb706_alpha.zip was about 106,854 blocks, >  > after unzipping: > ? > JRDBAMVE1F070.A;1       17073/17088    7-FEB-2001 18:47:39.27tB > RDBAMVE1F070.A;1          2709/2724       7-FEB-2001 18:41:08.24> > RDBAMVE1F070.B;1      176841/176850   7-FEB-2001 18:41:13.92= > RDBSGA_70_AMV.BCK;1  6930/6948       7-FEB-2001 18:40:46.72a= > SQLSRVAMVF070.A;1     21852/21858   25-OCT-2000 11:02:53.94oE > SQSCLIA070.A;1                4464/4464     25-OCT-2000 10:25:27.89h > ) > Total of 6 files, 229869/229932 blocks.u > ; > Haven't tried installing it yet, but each of the savesets, > listed without errors here.t  ? The normal RDB distribution consists of savesets .A to .E. I'veeG downloaded the kit and checked the realsenotes, it is an update (Eco 1)UF to an existing RDB V7.0.6 installation (it supports VMS V7.3 e.g.), so. without RDB V7.0.6 this kit gives you nothing. -- o  - mit freundlichen Gruessen | with best regardsb   Karl Rohwedder               uC iT-Ingenieurteam     | Ellernbruch 11       | D-38112 Braunschweig eA Telefon: 0531/515521 | Telefax: 0531/515531 | Mobil: 0172/5434843 E  E-Mail: rohwedder@decus.decus.de           | iT-IngTeam@t-online.de e+          karl.rohwedder@it-ingenieurteam.de- DATEX-P: 4505018005::ROHWEDDER   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 07:17:10 -0800/ From: "Marc Chametzky" <Marc.Chametzky@Sun.Com>f( Subject: Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?1 Message-ID: <982uvb$rgq$1@westnews1.West.Sun.COM>   , > rdb706_alpha.zip was about 106,854 blocks,  K I did some more investigating and found that these were just patches to geto from RDB 7.0 to 7.0.6. :-(  L I've contacted the people with whom I've been speaking at Oracle to let themK know that I'm still waiting patiently. They have agreed that it's something = that they will do, but I guess they just haven't done it yet.e   --Marc   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 19:45:41 +0100u2 From: Andreas Stiller <Andreas.Stiller@netsurf.de>( Subject: Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?* Message-ID: <3AA53055.51E1C84A@netsurf.de>   Hi,p  @ Yes, the ZIP is unpacking successfully into VMS instal savesets.  H But No, you can't install it (i tried), because it as ECO (means update)C version which needs a RDB 7.0-6 installed before only to upgrade ton/ 7.0-6-1. I even does not like my 7.0-5 version.e  : I sent a mail to OTN today asking what's going on there...   Andreasg   > , > rdb706_alpha.zip was about 106,854 blocks, >  > after unzipping: > ? > JRDBAMVE1F070.A;1       17073/17088    7-FEB-2001 18:47:39.27 B > RDBAMVE1F070.A;1          2709/2724       7-FEB-2001 18:41:08.24> > RDBAMVE1F070.B;1      176841/176850   7-FEB-2001 18:41:13.92= > RDBSGA_70_AMV.BCK;1  6930/6948       7-FEB-2001 18:40:46.72-= > SQLSRVAMVF070.A;1     21852/21858   25-OCT-2000 11:02:53.94lE > SQSCLIA070.A;1                4464/4464     25-OCT-2000 10:25:27.89- > ) > Total of 6 files, 229869/229932 blocks.  > ; > Haven't tried installing it yet, but each of the savesetsv > listed without errors here.t   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 03:38:02 +0120 (PM) From: 4Dd6aNs3Q@excite.com5 Subject: Women-Tone, firm and enlargre your breasts!-f6 Message-ID: <wV5phY58fz05YW0w@SMTP-OUT003.ONEMAIN.COM>  ? Tone, Firm and Increase the size of your breasts......Naturallyt. The safe, All-Natural alternative to implants!  / AS TEST AND FEATURED ON THE HIT TV SHOW - EXTRAa     Great for......u   Firming and Upliftingo Smaller Breasted Women Older Womenr Asian Womenc Sagging and Drooping Enlargementt    6 http://209.1.225.217/naturalcontours/naturalcurves.htm  C Visit us NOW to learn more about  this Natural Miracle and read theeD hundreds of testimonials from women who have experienced the magic !       Transmissions to you by the sender of 'this' email will be stopped promptly by sending an e-mail with "REMOVE" in the subject line. 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"" then create sys$manager:islk$logfile.log7 $ open/append/share log_ch sys$manager:islk$logfile.logdJ %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]ISLK$LOGFILE.LOG; as input -RMS-E-FNF, file not found  $ ISLKP1> dir sys$manager:islk$logfile   Directory SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]  N ISLK$LOGFILE.LOG;1                         117/126     24-FEB-2001 17:17:28.18    Total of 1 file, 117/126 blocks.   ISLKP1>set proc/priv=all ISLKP1>@A.Ao $ close/nolog log_ch* $ logfile = "sys$manager:islk$logfile.log"H $ if f$search(logfile) .eqs. "" then create sys$manager:islk$logfile.log7 $ open/append/share log_ch sys$manager:islk$logfile.logu ../..  $ close log_ch   ???f D.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.130 ************************