1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 08 Mar 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 133       Contents:. Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask.. Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask.. Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask.4 Re: Anyone else missing disks from Mar 2001 LP dist?4 Re: Anyone else missing disks from Mar 2001 LP dist?0 Re: Availability of Patches For Layered Products0 Re: Availability of Patches For Layered Products, Re: better cooling for the XP1000 at no cost Re: CacheGate Redux (on and on)  Re: CacheGate Redux (on and on) ; Compaq wins supercomputing contract after Sun gets the boot ? Re: Compaq wins supercomputing contract after Sun gets the boot ? Re: Compaq wins supercomputing contract after Sun gets the boot ( Re: DCPS trouble after VMS/TCPIP upgrade' Re: Drop C/C++ better sooner than later G Re: Encryption scheme based on Pig Latin circumvents Napster injunction   Re: FTP Explorer (PC) & Multinet7 RE: HELP: Part Numbers From Storageworks Bits & Pieces. 7 RE: HELP: Part Numbers From Storageworks Bits & Pieces.  hsd10 question RE: hsd10 question re: Janitor fixes 90L  Re: LL format RZ29 RE: LL format RZ29 Re: LL format RZ29 Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations 
 NFS and ODS-5  Re: OpenVMS Educational Program  Re: OpenVMS Educational Program  Re: OpenVMS Educational Program  Re: OpenVMS Educational Program  Re: OpenVMS Educational Program  Re: OpenVMS Educational Program 1 RE: Part Numbers From Storageworks Bits & Pieces. 8 Porting C-Scape 3.2 or 4.0 to Compaq Alpha OpenVMS 7.1-2 Re: PROD Utility Failure Re: Removing Ctl-M's telnetsym lowercase  Re: telnetsym lowercase  TELNETSYM monitoring Re: TELNETSYM monitoring" Variation in c.o.v. delivery delay& RE: Variation in c.o.v. delivery delay Re: VAX BSD 4.2/4.3  Re: VAX BSD 4.2/4.3  Re: VAX BSD 4.2/4.3  Re: VAX BSD 4.2/4.3  Re: VAX BSD 4.2/4.3 ; Re: VMS 7.2 install requires MACRO32 for standalone BACKUP? 7 Re: What monitor and keyboad will work with dec3000/400  [GAME?] def/sys and privs  Re: [GAME?] def/sys and privs  Re: [GAME?] def/sys and privs  Re: [GAME?] def/sys and privs  Re: [GAME?] def/sys and privs  Re: [GAME?] def/sys and privs * Re: [REQ] f$env("procedure","line_number")* Re: [REQ] f$env("procedure","line_number")* Re: [REQ] f$env("procedure","line_number")  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:42:14 -0000. From: "Adam Price" <adam@pappnase.demon.co.uk>7 Subject: Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask. A Message-ID: <983994154.23612.1.nnrp-10.c2deb51d@news.demon.co.uk>   ] "Ivan Reid" <idr@hep.ucl.ac.uk> wrote in message news:slrn9acpdk.bhd.idr@ax9.hep.ucl.ac.uk... A > On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 17:47:22 GMT, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- K >  <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in <009F89C4.0D4F4BA4@SendSpamHere.ORG>:  > G > >I recently came across the blue {Any Key} keytops.  If I get time, I G > >will install them on my keyboard and place a picture on my web site. I > >The big question for this group is, which key should be the {Any Key}?  > C > The one that no-one uses?  With  ` and | on it...  (OK, LaTeXers ) > use the ` key, but not many others do.)   S Tell that to bourne shell scripters, I personally find that ` is a really important ! character to have on my keyboard.  Adam   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Mar 2001 14:44:07 -0500 9 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) 7 Subject: Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask. 3 Message-ID: <UAhyAlyZug$5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <009F8A8B.14402962@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:K > A Mac has a keyboard key for power?  How stupid.  My cat would be turning ( > the machine on and off all night long.    , That can easilly be fixed. The cat, that is!   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:32:12 -0500* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>7 Subject: Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask. 7 Message-ID: <qVwp6.27553$lj4.615256@news6.giganews.com>   L "Jan Vorbrueggen" <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote inJ message news:y4y9uhiimn.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...A > system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:  > E > > A Mac has a keyboard key for power?  How stupid.  My cat would be  turning * > > the machine on and off all night long. > L > I presume it is like the NeXT key, or the one on my PC: once the system isH > running, it is disabled or pops up a little menu that asks whether you want > to shut it down.  I Like a lot of things in life - "It depends." with the variables affecting G what that particular key does on power-up including: MacOS version, Mac B hardware model, keyboard model (some keyboards had it some don't).   -Andy-   --- G "The real romance is out ahead and yet to come. The computer revolution  hasn'tK started yet. Don't be misled by the enormous flow of money into bad defacto I standards for unsophisticated buyers using poor adaptations of incomplete  ideas." @                                                      -- Alan Kay   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 14:48:06 -0700 $ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca>= Subject: Re: Anyone else missing disks from Mar 2001 LP dist? ) Message-ID: <3AA6AC96.8004C339@cha.ab.ca>   8 I just received mine today.  CD's 1 to 9 are in the set.   Malcolm Dunnett wrote:  < > I just got the Mar 2001 VMS/Alpha layered products library> > distribution and noticed that disks 1/9 and 2/9 are missing. > , > Anybody else notice this or is it just me?   -- Lee   ; Lee Y T Mah                        Capital Health Authority ? Email: lytmah@cha.ab.ca            Information Systems, RAH CSC 4 Phone:  (780) 477-4725, 477-4233   10240 Kingsway NW? Fax:      (780) 491-5119, 491-5619    Edmonton, AB, CAN  T5H3V9    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 14:54:43 -0800 0 From: "William S. LaCounte" <vmsmanager@ups.edu>= Subject: Re: Anyone else missing disks from Mar 2001 LP dist? # Message-ID: <3AA6BC34.17C5@ups.edu>   D I received mine 2 weeks ago. All 9 CDs are present. Also included is& Pathworks 32 V7.2 (we don't use this).   Bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 23:17:11 GMT ) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton) 9 Subject: Re: Availability of Patches For Layered Products 0 Message-ID: <3aa6bfcc.15527497@news.wcc.govt.nz>  " I've seen several replies, thanks.F I understand there may be issues as regards allowing downloads of full size large kits, e.g Pathworks.   D But, one of the issues is knowing there's a patch in the first place and what it's for.A I consider part of my job is keeping abreast of potential problem @ areas and not waiting until they happen.  That's one of the huge* benefits of a News Group such as this one.  D At least knowing there's a Pathworks ECO1 or ECO2 or whatever is out/ there and what problems it addresses is useful. F If I then have to log a call and get CSC to supply a CD then so be it.    7 Larry, thanks, I'll check out the site you recommended.    Rob.  E On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 23:41:15 GMT, rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton)  wrote:   >Hi All, > E >As part of getting our Systems up to date I've checked we've got all D >the mandatory & level 1 patches, checked and installed the relevent >level 2 & 3 patches. A >So far so good, this covers VMS, DECNet & TCPIP and for some odd  >reason CMS.@ >But, where can you find information as regards what patches are' >available for a given layered product? = >In particular I was looking to see what Patches existed for:  >Pathworks V6.0C - VAX Only  >SLS 2.9C & 2.9D - VAX Only. > B >But a method of finding out the Patch Status of any given Layered >Product would be nice. 9 >Being able to download the Patches would be even better!  >  >TIA.  >Rob.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:29:54 -0500  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>9 Subject: Re: Availability of Patches For Layered Products 5 Message-ID: <1010307175927.3369B-100000@Ives.egh.com>   4 On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:   > ( > Therer are probably very good reasons.& > Two I can think of specifically are:K > - although you have a nice fat pipe on your network connection, the pipes I > into Compaq are carrying a whole host of protocols over a whole host of K > links. i.e. you may not have a bottleneck doing ftps from the Compaq site H > but if Compaq put all of the product kits up then they might develop a
 > problem;  D It's probably a different web site, but I think there must be ordersE of magnitude more downloads of PC-related stuff from Compaq's servers I than there would be of VMS-related stuff.  I've never loaded any PC stuff F from Compaq, but other PC vendors don't seem to have major issues with@ this.  The additional load of VMS would be a drop in the bucket.  D As for space on the server, they could easily put all VMS LP kits onC a single 9GB disk, especially if you compressed them.  (They fit on ? 9 680MB CDs, and there is a lot of redundancy and slack space.)   J > - is it encouraging people not to buy product update CDs if the kits areI > all downloadable?  Wouldn't this cut off a stream of revenue?  Don't we K > want stuff like this (that is not _that_ expensive when compared with the M > licenses for a commercial outfit) to continue generating revenue for Compaq 3 > to allow the developers to continue getting paid?   G Conversely, if you join the CSA program, you get a CONDIST subscription H even if you are already getting the CD's as part of your regular supportD contract.  Just got a big box today with March 2001 Alpha ODL & SPL,E plus 4 shrink-wrapped boxes containing "TP Web Connector" (apparently G WinNT development and runtime) and "DECForms Web Connector" (apparently E VAX/Alpha and NT versions).  Not sure what this is, some kind of HTML D development tools?  I got the exact same "TP Web Connector" boxes inG January with the January distribution, but the "DECForms" boxes seem to  be a new version.   D Got the regular support contract CD's two weeks ago (without the Web Connector stuff.)   D It's even better when our CSA agreement expires every September.  WeC always seem to get the usual two copies of the September SPL & ODL, C and then when we renew, we always get a 3rd copy of September, plus @ the most recent VMS kit.  When new VMS versions are released, weC also get two of those, one from our support contract (with hardcopy  docs) and one from CSA.   C So the expense of producing and mailing all these kits doesn't seem  to be a big deal with Compaq...   M > Isn't it better to control the distribution of CDs in your environment than F > to control the distribution of product kits that every Tom, Dick andI > Harriet have downloaded from a web site?  (Added to which, a kit that's J > supplied on CD might be of a higher quality (less prone to corruption or' > attack) than a web-supplied version).   A It would make life easier for us hobbyists, especially those with G DSL and no CD-ROM drive...  I don't know about PCSI kits, but VMSINSTAL C kits are backup savesets, and thus are CRC and XOR-group protected. ) This is no help against spoofing, though.    >  > Steve. >  > Alan Greig wrote/quoted: > >>>><RANT>J > >With the LMF and faster network connection nowadays, I don't understandL > >why DEQ still doesn't offer all software free for download (or want a fewC > >bucks for a CD kit - maybe with paper docs). The CONDIST CDDS is  > >ridicolous expensive.
 > ></RANT> > A > At one point about four years ago many  kits were available for E > download in a section of ftp.digital.com - including full Pathworks   > kits. They were later removed. > <<<    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:41:17 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 5 Subject: Re: better cooling for the XP1000 at no cost , Message-ID: <9862t7$d4p5$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  K All you are doing is making the fan run faster, by placing it directly near L a large generator of the heat it helps dissipate.  I suppose that the reasonJ it is placed where it is to begin with (and why the fan is variable speed)I is to minimize the fan noise, while keeping the CPU and components within  normal operating temperatures.  L Will it make the system run better?  No.  Will it extend it's life?  I wouldK doubt that it would have an appreciable impact on the systems MTBF.  Will I @ tell FS on you.  Nope, unless you report a broken fan sensor ;-)   _Fred     F pat jankowiak wrote in message <3AA5C3D3.C4ADAFE0@worldnet.att.net>...+ >The fine XP1000 runs a bit warm, I think..  >  >I did this:0 >http://www.montagar.com/~patj/xp1000maindec.htm > @ >It runs alot cooler now. Cost nothing. Took 10 minutes. You can= >actualy touch the cpu heatsink without burning your toungue! ? >(just kidding!) It did help alot though, as the unit generates  >alot of heat inside.  > 	 >regards,    ------------------------------    Date: 08 Mar 2001 03:47:20 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>( Subject: Re: CacheGate Redux (on and on)- Message-ID: <87elw97453.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   - young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:   = > 	Large CPU counts particullarly susceptible to the problem.  >  > 	APAC,  5 Does not apply there. The cache on the Alpha is fine.   - > eBay, does it apply there?  Ouch ouch ouch.   ( Perhaps, if they are up, we could ask ;)   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:34:29 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>( Subject: Re: CacheGate Redux (on and on)< Message-ID: <FPxp6.1433$G76.1623020@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:87elw97453.fsf@prep.synonet.com... / > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:  > > > > Large CPU counts particullarly susceptible to the problem. > > 	 > > APAC,  > 7 > Does not apply there. The cache on the Alpha is fine.  >   L But apparently such was not the case for the UE10K predecessors at APAC. ButG things may be looking up for Sun, they're gonna announce UltraSparc III K midrange boxes in New York City on March 21. Ed Zander sez volume shipments $ will occur in the following quarter.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:31:41 -0600, From: "Tony Scandora" <scandora@cmt.anl.gov>D Subject: Compaq wins supercomputing contract after Sun gets the boot+ Message-ID: <986gdo$s3l$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>   , It's probably not VMS, but it's interesting:  D http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO58384,00.html  1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541  scandora@cmt.anl.gov   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 00:33:29 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>H Subject: Re: Compaq wins supercomputing contract after Sun gets the boot< Message-ID: <trAp6.1453$G76.1712829@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  7 "Tony Scandora" <scandora@cmt.anl.gov> wrote in message % news:986gdo$s3l$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov... . > It's probably not VMS, but it's interesting: > F > http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO58384,00.html > 3 > Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541  > scandora@cmt.anl.gov >   J Alas, the daze of VMS and HPTC seem to be over. That said, the APAC systemH will be a Tru64 UNIX-based AlphaServer SC cluster. About 120 ES40s whichI will become ES45 Privateers in September or October. The configuration is F somewhat similar to Don Dossa's AlphaServer SC (serial #1) at Lawrence Livermore National Lab.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 19:44:52 -0800 ! From: Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com> H Subject: Re: Compaq wins supercomputing contract after Sun gets the boot+ Message-ID: <3AA70034.717B318C@tmisnet.com>u  F If only the OpenVMS group would give educational institutions a useful- licensing program then this would be fixed in  the long haul.  J If I was Rich Marcello I would allow education free license to OpenVMS and it's layered products.  J I would due this not only for teaching but also for research efforts.  The: computers have to be located on the institutions property.  E I would also work with the universities to incorporate OpenVMS systeme* management training into their curriculum.   Cass Witkowski   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:e  9 > "Tony Scandora" <scandora@cmt.anl.gov> wrote in message ' > news:986gdo$s3l$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov... 0 > > It's probably not VMS, but it's interesting: > >CH > > http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO58384,00.html > >e5 > > Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541t > > scandora@cmt.anl.gov > >r >CL > Alas, the daze of VMS and HPTC seem to be over. That said, the APAC systemJ > will be a Tru64 UNIX-based AlphaServer SC cluster. About 120 ES40s whichK > will become ES45 Privateers in September or October. The configuration iseH > somewhat similar to Don Dossa's AlphaServer SC (serial #1) at Lawrence > Livermore National Lab.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:07:07 -05002 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.DELETE.net>1 Subject: Re: DCPS trouble after VMS/TCPIP upgradea+ Message-ID: <3aa705fa$1@newsfeed.vitts.com>   + It wasn't so much a "fairly major rebuild".d  L After 5.0 was released several problems were reported from field test sites,L late.  Testing and exercising the code continued within the group long afterI EFT2 and SSB submission.  All corrections were rolled into source and theiJ decision to "remaster" a kit (5.0A) was made, instead of having to mix and match images on top of 5.0.g  # Now you know the rest of the story.E   -Johno    5 "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote in messageS& news:9853v9$14go@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk... >SB > "GWDVMS::MOELLER" <moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.de> wrote in message* > news:E14aZXt-0000QN-00@gwdu42.gwdg.de...G > > On a freshly upgraded ES40 (VMS 7.1-2/UCX 4 => VMS 7.2-1/TCPIP 5.0, J > > no ECOs yet) with DCPS 1.5 installed, an attempt to START a DCPS QueueC > > (of the variety node::"ip_rawtcp/printer:9100") is greeted withn > >vF > > %SYSTEM-F-STKOVF, stack overflow, PC=0000000000032F1C, PS=0000001B > >l > > What gives?  >QH > I've had similar problems with other stuff with TCPIP 5.0; it's in the
 name resolver-K > somewhere I think. Try hard coding the IP address. In any case, unpatched" 5.0mL > is generally considered a "don't go there" release - it was a fairly major rebuild. >D >9   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 02:13:47 +0000p) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>k0 Subject: Re: Drop C/C++ better sooner than later, Message-ID: <3AA6EADB.455E15F7@infopuls.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > N > In article <rdeininger-0603012127020001@user-2ive7c4.dialup.mindspring.com>,7 >  rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:  > |>H > |>                                                 I don't believe theC > |> GNAT back-end is quite synchronized with the GCC back-end yet.h >  > Then you would be wrong.  :-)  > J > |>                                                                To say2 > |> that GNAT *is* GCC is, I think, going to far. > ; > Can't think of any better way to say it, cause it's true.d > F > Here is an extract from README.BUILD from the latest sources at NYU: >  >      BUILDING GNAT > 9 >      The current version of GNAT can be built on top ofa? >      GCC 2.8.1. The sources for GNAT reside in a subdirectorya? >      named ada under the top level GCC source directory.  ThesA >      directory named src in this GNAT distribution contains the @ >      subdirectory ada which should be copied to the GCC source> >      directory.  It (src) also contains any patches that are? >      needed to the GCC sources -- these should be applied (to-= >      the files in the top level GCC source directory unless"< >      otherwise specified). Note that there is a patch file= >      called gcc-281.dif which need to be applied to the GCCi> >      2.8.1 sources. When applying the patches be sure to use- >      the "-p0" option of the patch program.u > B > So, let's see.  the GNAT source is merely a sub-directory of theA > GCC build tree and you have to patch the GCC source in order to C > build GNAT.  Sure looks like it's just a front-end for GCC to me.  > @ > That's how it began and nothing appears to have changed exceptA > that now the friont-end is actually written in Ada95.  This is,,? > of course, a disadvantage rather than an advantage as you nowa@ > need a functioning version of GNAT in order to build GNAT fromC > sources.  Looks like ACT has succeeded in re-creating the chickenp > and the egg problem. >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>  
Having the compiler written in the same language as it is compiling is an advantage if the language is better suited for compiler construction than the alternative in this case C which is not only unsuitable for comiler construction but also for almost all other tasks.A   If you once have a running Ada compiler the chicken-egg-problem is solved. This stage has obviously long reached and the decision to (re-)write the Ada front-end in Ada can only be highly appreciated.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:26:03 -0500' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>dP Subject: Re: Encryption scheme based on Pig Latin circumvents Napster injunction( Message-ID: <98719u$hm5$1@pyrite.mv.net>  8 Webb, William W <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messageE news:D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB75001925A1A@rlghncst625.usps.gov...1 > * > Apologies to the group for posting this. >-? > I just thought that this is a shining example of the computer 9 > illiteracy of our judicial system, not to mention being: > *quite* humorous:i  A It is indeed humorous, but not necessarily an example of computer J illiteracy.  The courts have to (or at least should, and this ruling seemsI to) walk a fine line with respect to Napster:  Napster itself is arguably-L doing nothing illegal by facilitating music interchange, since some music isK free of copyright issues, and there's lots of precedent for the legality of-K providing a service that can be used for legitimate purposes even if it can.# also be used for illegitimate ones.   G This ruling says that Napster is responsible for *reacting* to provable,G complaints of abuse, not for policing before-the-fact.  And it says thetL complainants have the onus of specifying the offending material (after whichI Napster is responsible for screening it out, by name).  Regardless of howsK one may feel about what's going on, it seems like a legally fair solution -OA and while it means the complainants have to keep busy looking foriC infractions, they've certainly got the means (and motive) to do so.h  G Eventually, the complainants will likely realize that Internet music is J something they need to find a way to live with, rather than fight against.H I've only used Napster to obtain fairly obscure jazz recordings from theI '30s and '40s, and while some of them are likely available in collectionsnK many were recorded in multiple variations, and Napster gives me the abilitySF to find the exact performance I'm interested in.  But downloading is aH *real* pain (and the 48 kbaud my 'phone line supports is usually not theL bottleneck):  I'd happily pay, say, $0.25 per cut to get a clean copy from aK fast server rather than take my chances with somebody's PC and 'phone line,f3 since the average download time is 10 - 15 minutes.P  J And the thought that it gives jazz buffs (or other buffs, for that matter)G in places like Russia a chance to obtain works they'd otherwise have no7F access to whatsoever is kind of neat, though I've got to admit to someJ qualms about the IP issue.  The bottom line is that when people attempt toH restrict information flow to maximixe profit, the flow, like any liquid,I tends to find a way around the restrictions:  going with it usually works G better, but it's a hard habit to change when technology changes the oldr rules.   - bill   > I > (Note:  "Pig Latin" is a verbal "encryption scheme" used by children in  thei > USK >  which involves removing the first letter of a word, appending the suffixC > "-ay" L >  to the first letter, and placing this combination at the end of the word.- >  ex: "Pig Latin" becomes "Ig-pay Atin-Lay")t >  >e? > Aimster says Pig Latin code can circumvent Napster injunction  > Reuters, 03.06.01, 7:16 PM ETV >r >tL > NEW YORK, March 6 (Reuters) - Programmers at the file-sharing firm AimsterK > said on Tuesday they had found a disarmingly simple way for Napster users  toI > avoid recent restrictions imposed on the service by a federal judge: anl' > encryption scheme based on Pig Latin.c >l >fK > Aimster, whose software lets users trade files by piggybacking on instantnK > message networks, released the free Aimster Pig Encoder program Sunday onp< > its Web site www dot aimster dot com/pigencoder dotphtml). >o >aL > Under the terms of the injunction against Napster, the company must removeL > songs within three days of receiving notice by copyright holders. It's theK > file name, not the file itself, that is screened: Early reports suggestednH > that copyrighted songs with slight misspellings in the file names were > undisturbed. >  > Rest of article at:  > ? > www dot forbes dot com/newswire/2001/03/06/rtr198615 dot htmlo >o  > ============================== > + > William W. Webb, EDS, c/o USPS CMF/OSS/MSb0 > 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616 919 874 3043 >m   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 20:00:40 GMT * From: Steven Whatley <swhatley@blkbox.com>) Subject: Re: FTP Explorer (PC) & MultinetP? Message-ID: <Irwp6.1756$wf6.128098@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>b  : In comp.os.vms Steven Whatley <swhatley@blkbox.com> wrote:: > We have a user in Italy using the FTP program called FTP > Explorer to access our VAX.e >  >   http://www.ftpx.com/ > L > The program looks nice and has an Italian language module.  The problem isH > that it seems to not interpret VMS direcotry listings correctly.  If IC > just use Win2k's FTP client and do a "dir", I get the following:    G Thanks to a suggestion from the Multinet newsgroup, I've got it workingr8 now.  I just put the following login.com in his account:   $! LOGIN.COM, $!    Sets FTP connection to look like UNIX. $!1 $ IF F$MODE() .EQS. "NETWORK" THEN GOTO NET_LOGINd $ GOTO DONEf $! $ NET_LOGIN:2 $   define MULTINET_FTP_UNIX_STYLE_BY_DEFAULT TRUE
 $   goto donee $! $ done:a $ exit   It works great now.r   Thanks,t Steven   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 14:23:45 -0600l* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>@ Subject: RE: HELP: Part Numbers From Storageworks Bits & Pieces.- Message-ID: <0033000018067755000002L052*@MHS>   7 =0AAre you talking about the 8 bit I/O module BA35X-MG?s   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETo* > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 12:16 PM8 > To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETB > Subject: RE: HELP: Part Numbers From Storageworks Bits & Pieces. >e >t5 > byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer) writes:  >cH > > I love DEC stuff, but I'm really begging to hate COMPAQ.  Can't fin= d  > > ANYTHING anymore.  > / > Funny, just what I was thinking last night...r >v1 > ( Comments about the Qs web idiots deleted... )l >mH > I was looking for the BA350 ( 8 bit ) shelf manual. Nada, not a f'ing=  E > thing. Oh, all the old poxliant stuff is listed. DEC? Who are they.  >-; > So, anyone have a pointer to BA350 8-bit SW Shelf manual.-; > The details on the Narrow to BA356 equivalent to a DWZZZ?  >j > Yours in frustration...  >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 23:41:55 +0000e5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com>o@ Subject: RE: HELP: Part Numbers From Storageworks Bits & Pieces.N Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D308018B1284@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>  ; That i/o module will go in a BA356 to attach it to a narrows' controller/adapter (KZPAA/HSx30/40/50).F   	Olivera   -----Original Message-----1 From: WILLIAM WEBB [mailto:WWEBB1@email.usps.gov]P' Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 8:24 PMd To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comg@ Subject: RE: HELP: Part Numbers From Storageworks Bits & Pieces.      4 Are you talking about the 8 bit I/O module BA35X-MG?   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET * > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 12:16 PM8 > To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETB > Subject: RE: HELP: Part Numbers From Storageworks Bits & Pieces. >c >R5 > byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer) writes:. >@H > > I love DEC stuff, but I'm really begging to hate COMPAQ.  Can't find > > ANYTHING anymore.c >a/ > Funny, just what I was thinking last night...  >s1 > ( Comments about the Qs web idiots deleted... )  > G > I was looking for the BA350 ( 8 bit ) shelf manual. Nada, not a f'ingwE > thing. Oh, all the old poxliant stuff is listed. DEC? Who are they.C >c; > So, anyone have a pointer to BA350 8-bit SW Shelf manual.n; > The details on the Narrow to BA356 equivalent to a DWZZZ?a >  > Yours in frustration...o >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.aB >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 16:17:25 -05007) From: Robert DiRosario <rdirosar@csc.com>o Subject: hsd10 question ' Message-ID: <3AA6A565.EAACFE5B@csc.com>u  G I have an HSD10-AA inside a VAX 4000-106 with a DEC SCSI drive attachedtF to the HSD.  I can see the SCSI drive from the HSD console but I can'tD see the drive from the VAX 4000 console.  The SHOW DEV and SHOW DSSID commands on the VAX show the HSD10 but not the disk drive.  How do I configure the HSD?  B Standalone-backup for VMS 7.0 doesn't see the SCSI drive.  It alsoF dosen't see an external DSSI drive on the other DSSI bus, but SHOW DEV% and SHOW DSSI on the VAX does see it.a  3 I do have both ends of both DSSI busses terminated.   E Is there any documentation for the HSD10 or the DSSI commands for theg* VAX 4000 on the web?  I haven't found any.  H I'm working on my VAX cluster at home.  I have two 4000-106's, each with@ an internal HSD10-AA, a 4000-105 and a Storage Works box with anG HSD10-AA.  The plan is to put the three 4000's and three HSD10's on one1E DSSI bus.  The second DSSI bus of each 4000 will be isolated and willu have only DSSI drives.  G I also have a  3200, but from the little DSSI information I can find on.F the web it looks like the DSSI chip set in the 3200 is slower than theH one in the 4000's, so I was planing to keep the 3200 off the "main" DSSI bus.  E VMS will go on one of the disks in the Storage Works box, but I don'tyF yet have the DSSI cable that fits it.  I also have some non-DSSI uV/VS< systems that I'll add after I get the 4000's up and running.  	 Thank youP   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 23:37:05 +0000A5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com>m Subject: RE: hsd10 questionrN Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116D52C@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>  @ Once on the HSD you have to map the unit to the disk configured.   on HSD:-1 HSD10> AUTOCONFIG/LOG	(scans all slots for disks)rC HSD10> MAP UNIT D130 DUA2130	(lets console and vms see disk D130 ast DUA2130)   For a stripeset: > CREATE DISK D130 D100 D140 1 > CREATE STRIPESET S0 " > ADD STRIPESET S0 D130 D100 D140  > INITIALIZE STRIPESET S0  > MAP UNIT S0 DUA1020    For a mirrorset: > CREATE DISK D130 D100 D140 f > CREATE MIRRORSET M0 " > ADD MIRRORSET M0 D130 D100 D140  > INITIALIZE MIRRORSET M0  > MAP UNIT M0 DUA1020   C On a DSSI bus it always has to be terminated at both ends.  This isr
 essential.  7 My DSSI cluster clunks along a bit, mainly for testing.    Hope this helps.   	Olivero   -----Original Message-----0 From: Robert DiRosario [mailto:rdirosar@csc.com]' Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:17 PMn To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn Subject: hsd10 question     G I have an HSD10-AA inside a VAX 4000-106 with a DEC SCSI drive attached F to the HSD.  I can see the SCSI drive from the HSD console but I can'tD see the drive from the VAX 4000 console.  The SHOW DEV and SHOW DSSID commands on the VAX show the HSD10 but not the disk drive.  How do I configure the HSD?  B Standalone-backup for VMS 7.0 doesn't see the SCSI drive.  It alsoF dosen't see an external DSSI drive on the other DSSI bus, but SHOW DEV% and SHOW DSSI on the VAX does see it.a  3 I do have both ends of both DSSI busses terminated.   E Is there any documentation for the HSD10 or the DSSI commands for the-* VAX 4000 on the web?  I haven't found any.  H I'm working on my VAX cluster at home.  I have two 4000-106's, each with@ an internal HSD10-AA, a 4000-105 and a Storage Works box with anG HSD10-AA.  The plan is to put the three 4000's and three HSD10's on oneeE DSSI bus.  The second DSSI bus of each 4000 will be isolated and will, have only DSSI drives.  G I also have a  3200, but from the little DSSI information I can find onsF the web it looks like the DSSI chip set in the 3200 is slower than theH one in the 4000's, so I was planing to keep the 3200 off the "main" DSSI bus.  E VMS will go on one of the disks in the Storage Works box, but I don'tBF yet have the DSSI cable that fits it.  I also have some non-DSSI uV/VS< systems that I'll add after I get the 4000's up and running.  	 Thank youn   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Mar 2001 15:28:05 CDTh= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.344932.killspam.0142 (Wayne Sewell)  Subject: re: Janitor fixes 90L. Message-ID: <KLKZgU8tu6xi@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  h In article <009F8A80.2036084C.2@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes: > I > As for serious RFI, my favorite story (probably yet another legend, butpO > very plausible) was the bored policeman manning a speed-trap near an RAF base I > who decided to "clock" one of their fighters for fun. Unfortunately thesI > fighter had its ECM (electronic countermeasures) pod turned on, and it eF > interpreted the speed gun as a missile targeting radar. It thereforeI > retalliated with a massive burst of microwaves, reducing the speed gun : > to a smoking wreck.e  K Do they have a smaller ECM pod that can be installed on a Pontiac Firebird?r     --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)yO =============================================================================== O Dean Wormer to Flounder: "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:35:06 -0600n8 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.psinetcs.com> Subject: Re: LL format RZ29 I Message-ID: <craig.berry-904695.13350607032001@newsrump.sjc.telocity.net>8  A In article <5.0.2.1.2.20010307115305.00aa7858@ntbsod.psccos.com>,u'  Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> wrote:   M > Is there a way to low-level format an RZ29 on an Alphastation 200 4/233, orsM > maybe on a VAXstation 4000-60?  I have a drive that I think is going south, ) > and LLF is the last desperate chance...   E I think analyze/media/bad_blocks will record a bad block location if eF you know what it is, and analyze/media/exercise will do the low-level  format..   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 14:43:37 -0600e* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: LL format RZ29s- Message-ID: <0033000018070113000002L032*@MHS>h  A =0AYou might could try a TEST 75 from the VAXstation 4000 consolee= prompt.  (might could is the present tense of usedtacould, asu@ in 'I usedtacould, but I can't any more.'  See: Foxworthy, Jeff)  ; I seem to recall doing that to clean some RZfiftysomethingse= before they got excessed a few years back and I'm fairly surel8 I was using a higher end VAXstation 4000 (90?) to do it.   WWWebb     > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETG) > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:56 PMc8 > To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET > Subject: LL format RZ29i >G >h? > Is there a way to low-level format an RZ29 on an Alphastation  > 200 4/233, orn= > maybe on a VAXstation 4000-60?  I have a drive that I thinki > is going south, ) > and LLF is the last desperate chance...d >s >d > ------@ > +-------------------------------+-----------------------------
 > ----------+d# > | Dan O'Reilly                  |t
 >           | = > | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care aboutn > posterity?  | ; > | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever  > done for me?" |r9 > | http://www.process.com        |                    --  > Groucho Marx    |o@ > +-------------------------------+-----------------------------
 > ----------+g >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:02:01 -06002/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>m Subject: Re: LL format RZ29c3 Message-ID: <3AA6F629.4904238D@applied-synergy.com>n   Dan O'Reilly wrote:m > M > Is there a way to low-level format an RZ29 on an Alphastation 200 4/233, orsM > maybe on a VAXstation 4000-60?  I have a drive that I think is going south,g) > and LLF is the last desperate chance...   ' Not that I know of on the Alphastation.   > On the VS4000-60 console, "TEST/UTIL SCSI" will get you to the
 formatter.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------l$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com i   Fax: 817-237-3074p   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Mar 2001 20:58:23 GMTt1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)o" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations, Message-ID: <9867df$12vo$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>  ) In article <3AA6551A.2E58542F@bbc.co.uk>,p0  Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes: |>K |> Bill, when you install/upgrade an application, do you have to do it oncel@ |> per unix box, or just once per system disk like in a cluster? |>    H I've done it both ways.  I usually opt for multiple installs and keepingG all of the systems hardware independant of each other in order to avoidsG any single-point-of-failure problems. (Would this not be a problem evenr& under VMS with a shared system disk??)  H Just as a point of interest, my VMS machines are all standalone as well.   Both can be done either way.   bill   -- yJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   m   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Mar 2001 21:01:40 GMTi1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)l" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations, Message-ID: <9867jk$12vo$4@info.cs.uofs.edu>  , In article <985nl0$lqf@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,5  mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:y |> 2 |>  J |> But upgrading a bunch of software on separate machine all at once isn'tN |> that big a deal either, if they are all running the same OS you can usuallyO |> run a script on one central machine that sends the appropriate commands out e |> to all the others.i  C They don't even have to be running the same OS.  Cfengine is a veryvA good multiple machine, multiple OS configuration management tool.t Oh yeah, it's also free.   |> t8 |> VMS is slightly easier to manage.  But only slightly.  B I have yet to find any package that is easier to install or manageB on VMS than it is on Unix.  Of course, the biggest problem is thatA I have yet to find anywhere near the same packages for VMS that I  need to run on Unix.   bill   -- aJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------    Date: 07 Mar 2001 15:35:06 -06001 From: Graham Allan <allan@physics.umn.edu.nospam>." Subject: Re: Low cost workstations0 Message-ID: <w53puft9sad.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>  ; Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:g  k > In article <3AA4AC2F.D859E40E@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:l > I > > Second, the system is probably way slower than a DS10 (at least othereB > > 500 MHz UltraSparc II's are way slower than a DS10 in SPEC2000 > > benchmarks). > > H > > So the system are not competing with DS10's. It is competing against > > cheap Linux x86 boxes. > J > Don't think of it as competing against a DS10.  Think of it as competing3 > against "the cheapest VMS machine Compaq offers".p > F > > A long time ago there were rumours about a DS05 (a low-cost DS10). > H > I am convinced the DS05 ended up being called DS10L.  The goal was not! > reduced price but reduced size.e  B On this basis Compaq could trivially throw together an ultra-cheapK Alpha system based on an existing board like the PC164LX. OK, so at presentiK VMS doesn't run on it, butno doubt it could be made to, and in any case the G argument applies just as much to Unix. Having just installed Tru64 on a0I PC164LX with cheap (though good, IBM) IDE disk, I am surprised to see howFE well it works... Throw in a DE500 or equivilent, and a VX1 video cardnJ (has anyone tried the new driver for this yet?) and you have a pretty niceL system - slow compared to the DS10, but perhaps a decent match for the cheap Sun box?  $ Er, it will never happen, of course!   Graham -- rI -------------------------------------------------------------------------t: Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-50409 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota I -------------------------------------------------------------------------e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:57:17 GMT: From: dittman@dittman.nets" Subject: Re: Low cost workstationsA Message-ID: <19yp6.60125$wA6.2918436@e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com>f  2 Graham Allan <allan@physics.umn.edu.nospam> wrote:D : On this basis Compaq could trivially throw together an ultra-cheapM : Alpha system based on an existing board like the PC164LX. OK, so at present M : VMS doesn't run on it, butno doubt it could be made to, and in any case theRI : argument applies just as much to Unix. Having just installed Tru64 on a0K : PC164LX with cheap (though good, IBM) IDE disk, I am surprised to see howAG : well it works... Throw in a DE500 or equivilent, and a VX1 video cardeL : (has anyone tried the new driver for this yet?) and you have a pretty niceN : system - slow compared to the DS10, but perhaps a decent match for the cheap
 : Sun box?  K The VX1 doesn't work on my PC164LX running VMS V7.2-1.  Well, it works, butyI makes the system so slow as to be unusable (logging in on takes over fiveA6 minutes).  I had to go back to my Elsa Gloria Synergy. --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 22:16:59 GMTn5 From: Lyndon Bartels <lyndon.bartels@childrenshc.org>n" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations/ Message-ID: <3AA65EFA.6C65451B@childrenshc.org>o   dittman@dittman.net wrote: > 4 > Graham Allan <allan@physics.umn.edu.nospam> wrote:F > : On this basis Compaq could trivially throw together an ultra-cheapO > : Alpha system based on an existing board like the PC164LX. OK, so at present-O > : VMS doesn't run on it, butno doubt it could be made to, and in any case the K > : argument applies just as much to Unix. Having just installed Tru64 on a.M > : PC164LX with cheap (though good, IBM) IDE disk, I am surprised to see howeI > : well it works... Throw in a DE500 or equivilent, and a VX1 video card:N > : (has anyone tried the new driver for this yet?) and you have a pretty niceP > : system - slow compared to the DS10, but perhaps a decent match for the cheap > : Sun box? > M > The VX1 doesn't work on my PC164LX running VMS V7.2-1.  Well, it works, butaK > makes the system so slow as to be unusable (logging in on takes over fiven8 > minutes).  I had to go back to my Elsa Gloria Synergy. > -- > Eric Dittman > dittman@dittman.nete    D So you are indeed running VMS on a PC164LX based system.... Hmmmm...  F I was out looking at islandco.com's offering this system, and it looksA like it could be built into a respectable machine. What's so much 3 different between this machine and say.... a 500au?N     --   Lyndon F. BartelsP VMS Systems Administratork Childrens Hospitals and Clinicsm lyndon.bartels@childrenshc.org 651-855-2504 (work)  651-855-2570 (fax)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 23:32:28 GMTc From: dittman@dittman.netw" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations@ Message-ID: <gyzp6.51609$sD.3757227@e420r-sjo2.usenetserver.com>  6 Lyndon Bartels <lyndon.bartels@childrenshc.org> wrote:F : So you are indeed running VMS on a PC164LX based system.... Hmmmm...  E Yes.  Completely unsupported, and not 100% (for example, the shutdown = option POWER_OFF doesn't work), but it works for what I want.o  H : I was out looking at islandco.com's offering this system, and it looksC : like it could be built into a respectable machine. What's so muchK5 : different between this machine and say.... a 500au?    The 500au is supported.a -- o Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.nete   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 02:01:54 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>c" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations, Message-ID: <3AA6E812.EE6EF47C@infopuls.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > @ > In article <8994A66FFE9ED411BD200008C75D64FD753FA6@BELMAIL02>,3 >  "Vajhoej, Arne" <Arne.Vajhoej@GTECH.COM> writes: < > |> The reason that VMS is lower than Unix and NT in TCO is/ > |> exactly that it requires less management !s > ? > While this may be true of NT, again, in the case of Unix this.A > is pure FUD from people with no experience whatsoever with realI@ > Unix systems.  I work with all of the above and a running UnixA > server takes no more of my attention than a runnign VMS server.t > ? > I have Unix boxes in wiring closets and even under the raised = > floors because they serve particular purposes (like printerkA > servers, dialup servers, etc.) that never require my attention.n >  > bill > ' > PS. Notice I said Unix and not Linux.t >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>  ? This is your personal observation and as such not questionable. But as it is always pointed out this isn't enough to prove anything useful beyound this one case. Statistically (and from many sites I know of including my own experience as a consultant) VMS needs *much* less administration effort and attention than UNIX (especially Solaris because it's instability and lack of conforming to standards) for beeing able to offer the same volume of service. This is in parts due to the fact that VMS is more reliable and DCL is the much better sys control language compared toD UNIX shells.   ------------------------------    Date: 07 Mar 2001 20:10:51 -06001 From: Graham Allan <allan@physics.umn.edu.nospam>s" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations0 Message-ID: <w53itll9fis.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>   dittman@dittman.net writes:t  4 > Graham Allan <allan@physics.umn.edu.nospam> wrote:F > : On this basis Compaq could trivially throw together an ultra-cheapO > : Alpha system based on an existing board like the PC164LX. OK, so at presentRO > : VMS doesn't run on it, butno doubt it could be made to, and in any case the K > : argument applies just as much to Unix. Having just installed Tru64 on aoM > : PC164LX with cheap (though good, IBM) IDE disk, I am surprised to see howrI > : well it works... Throw in a DE500 or equivilent, and a VX1 video cardrN > : (has anyone tried the new driver for this yet?) and you have a pretty niceP > : system - slow compared to the DS10, but perhaps a decent match for the cheap > : Sun box? > M > The VX1 doesn't work on my PC164LX running VMS V7.2-1.  Well, it works, but K > makes the system so slow as to be unusable (logging in on takes over fiveh8 > minutes).  I had to go back to my Elsa Gloria Synergy.  H I didn't even know the PC164LX would run VMS. Interesting about the VX1,J I'll try it with Tru64 when I get one. I have tried the Elsa and the 4D40TD in the 164LX and they both work pretty well (that is, the Elsa is no$ slower than in a supported system!).   Graham -- b   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 23:48:54 GMTIL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: NFS and ODS-58 Message-ID: <009F8AA6.93E46D2B@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   comp.os.vmsers --o  N (I asked this question on info-multinet but haven't received any answers yet.)  O OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1, Multinet 4.3A (but as a CSLG site we could go to TCPIP 5.1l if we needed to.)d  M Does anybody out there have favorable experience NFS-serving an ODS-5 disk tosK Windows NT/2000 clients?  Does the NFS server still hack the file names to  N preserve case, etcetera, as it had to do on ODS-2, resulting in funny-looking 
 filenames?  M The particular goal here is to let users use PC-based Web editor products and M save their files to VMS disk, and have the VMS-based web server recognize ande/ use the files under the names the users expect.-  G Anybody doing this?  Does this work?  What NFS client on PC do you use?a  ; Do we have to go to Pathworks or Samba to accomplish this? J   Thanks,s   -- Alang  G PS: While we're at it, anybody know if the CSWS web server includes or @ supports FrontPage extensions?  O ===============================================================================r0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056iM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================p   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Mar 2001 03:40:31 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Educational Program- Message-ID: <87itll74gg.fsf@prep.synonet.com>d  3 Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.exchange.de> writes:=  K > I think one needs to separate two things.  On the one hand, VMS IS alive hC > and well in markets where it has traditionally been strong (chip wE > manufacturing, health care etc) and some new markets (mobile-phone  I > billing systems etc).  On the other hand, WITHOUT IN ANY WAY GIVING UP =E > ANY BENEFITS FROM THESE MARKETS, it could be a lot better in other rG > places, including those where it used to be strong, such as academia.   C No you could in fact have a PLUS in these markets. Getting into the0D edu sector is THE ONLY way to stop people from dropping your systemsB 'cause no-one knows/uses that stuff any more.' Or if they do stateC that, giving them the number of grad from your local uni who use it0
 every day.  A The borgs of redmond know this only too well, and move heaven andeB earth to get in to unis, and high schools. This also transfers theA cost of user training from the vendor, or vendors customer to thes
 tax-payer.   -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.n@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 15:13:12 -0500.# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>e( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Educational Program+ Message-ID: <3AA69658.FBBACF09@hsc.vcu.edu>h  f Well.... Paul, I NEVER ever considered the cost of user training... that is a good and thoughtful one.   jb   Paul Repacholi wrote:e > 5 > Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.exchange.de> writes:s > L > > I think one needs to separate two things.  On the one hand, VMS IS aliveD > > and well in markets where it has traditionally been strong (chipF > > manufacturing, health care etc) and some new markets (mobile-phoneJ > > billing systems etc).  On the other hand, WITHOUT IN ANY WAY GIVING UPF > > ANY BENEFITS FROM THESE MARKETS, it could be a lot better in otherI > > places, including those where it used to be strong, such as academia.  > E > No you could in fact have a PLUS in these markets. Getting into thenF > edu sector is THE ONLY way to stop people from dropping your systemsD > 'cause no-one knows/uses that stuff any more.' Or if they do stateE > that, giving them the number of grad from your local uni who use it  > every day. > C > The borgs of redmond know this only too well, and move heaven and D > earth to get in to unis, and high schools. This also transfers theC > cost of user training from the vendor, or vendors customer to the- > tax-payer. >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Mar 2001 20:42:43 GMTl1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)t( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Educational Program, Message-ID: <9866g3$12vo$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  3 In article <01K0XCVQK34Q9N53P5@sysdev.exchange.de>,s4  Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.exchange.de> writes:C |> > With the CSLG you also get a lot of layered products. I'm sureoB |> > you can emulate most of these with freeware, but it's nice to9 |> > have a supported collection designed for that OS.=20y |> .K |> You get CDs four times a year with up-to-date versions of compilers etc.aH |> these also being Very Good Compilers, and can install them all easilyD |> from a (character-cell-based, thankfully) menu, with HELP gettingG |> updated automatically etc.  It would take A LOT more time to do the >H |> same with freeware, even assuming software of comparable quality were
 |> available.w  D Read my lips....  It is not easier to install software on a VMS thanI it is on Unix.  It is only different.  There are more languages availablelE in freeware for Unix than there are from Compaq for VMS.  the qualitytE is perfectly acceptable.  In some cases (as int he case of Ada) it is E either better or exactly the same.  There are more programs of every oG type available for Unix as freeware than for VMS in any form.  It would E not take longer to do it with freeware.  If I am really impatient andcH have lots of diskspace to spare I can install EVERYTHING with one singleG command on a FreeBSD system.  No swapping the 20 LP disks in and out.   C I can start it at 4PM, go home and come back in the morning to findaD everything installed.  No, I don't usually install stuff that is notD really needed, but it can be done.  But I can and do select a subsetH of desired packages, start the install rolling and go of to do somethingF else.  No babysitting, no hand-holding.  Doing VMS Installs requires a< good deal more of my attention and swapping all those disks.  D It's time to face the fact that VMS is loosing this battle.  You canE keep your head buried in the sand and let things run their course, oryF you can join the fight to try and convince Compaq that they need to atE least plug the holes in the bottom of the boat.  But the mantra "UnixtE is garbage" just isn't going to save anything.  It may have been trueaF once (but I doubt it) but it is definitely not true today. And all the chanting won't make it true.     bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   V   ------------------------------    Date: 07 Mar 2001 16:00:31 -06001 From: Graham Allan <allan@physics.umn.edu.nospam>v( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Educational Program0 Message-ID: <w53n1ax9r40.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>  4 mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  K > Compaq is not playing catchup - they just aren't playing period.  And the3J > new academic program is ironically the ultimate proof of that.  It is anJ > astonishingly awful piece of crap.  The CSLG is expensive, but at least J > useful.  The new program is completely useless.  It seems the only thingF > that it has accomplished is to convince a few more holdouts (myself L > included) to get the heck off VMS so that we don't have to deal with these > bozos any more.   E It's not *completely* useless - if you already have CSLG, you can buy0F licenseless (linux) alpha systems, use the edu program for the base OSD license, and then get full unrestricted use of the system from CSLG.  $ Could certainly be simpler though...   Graham -- cI -------------------------------------------------------------------------o: Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-50409 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota0I -------------------------------------------------------------------------o   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2001 00:23:03 GMTs2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Educational Program, Message-ID: <986jd7$cjv@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  d In article <w53n1ax9r40.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>, Graham Allan <allan@physics.umn.edu.nospam> writes:5 >mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:o >.L >> Compaq is not playing catchup - they just aren't playing period.  And theK >> new academic program is ironically the ultimate proof of that.  It is andK >> astonishingly awful piece of crap.  The CSLG is expensive, but at least lK >> useful.  The new program is completely useless.  It seems the only thing-G >> that it has accomplished is to convince a few more holdouts (myself tM >> included) to get the heck off VMS so that we don't have to deal with thesen >> bozos any more. - >- >It's not *completely* useless   for us it is  ) > - if you already have CSLG, you can buy G >licenseless (linux) alpha systems, use the edu program for the base OS:E >license, and then get full unrestricted use of the system from CSLG.s  I For teaching purposes only - according to the license agreement.  Read it F and weep.  We use our machines for research and that would violate the
 agreement.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edus? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech nJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Mar 2001 21:22:27 -0500 + From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)o( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Educational Program3 Message-ID: <djDsIzkdzeL8@eisner.encompasserve.org>k  ` In article <9866g3$12vo$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:F > Read my lips....  It is not easier to install software on a VMS thanK > it is on Unix.  It is only different.  There are more languages available-G > in freeware for Unix than there are from Compaq for VMS.  the qualityeG > is perfectly acceptable.  In some cases (as int he case of Ada) it is G > either better or exactly the same.  There are more programs of every rI > type available for Unix as freeware than for VMS in any form.  It would G > not take longer to do it with freeware.  If I am really impatient andtJ > have lots of diskspace to spare I can install EVERYTHING with one singleI > command on a FreeBSD system.  No swapping the 20 LP disks in and out.   E > I can start it at 4PM, go home and come back in the morning to find F > everything installed.  No, I don't usually install stuff that is notF > really needed, but it can be done.  But I can and do select a subsetJ > of desired packages, start the install rolling and go of to do somethingH > else.  No babysitting, no hand-holding.  Doing VMS Installs requires a> > good deal more of my attention and swapping all those disks.  @ If you want to do it the hard way, be my guest, but don't use it@ as an example of how unix installs are better than VMS installs.@ I normally copy the installations from CD onto another media and? then create answer files and have it all go in one, unattended, ? swoop.  Zip the kits and answer files up and ship them to othero@ systems and do the same.  Quite easy, really.  I do that when it8 comes to doing a bulk patch install on multiple systems.  F > It's time to face the fact that VMS is loosing this battle.  You canG > keep your head buried in the sand and let things run their course, ormH > you can join the fight to try and convince Compaq that they need to atG > least plug the holes in the bottom of the boat.  But the mantra "UnixcG > is garbage" just isn't going to save anything.  It may have been true-H > once (but I doubt it) but it is definitely not true today. And all the > chanting won't make it true.  @ And constantly chanting that the sky is falling doesn't make VMS@ any less viable.  Just because you don't get anything out of it,@ or have an axe to grind, doesn't mean we all should throw in the towel.     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 23:29:30 +0000 5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com>a: Subject: RE: Part Numbers From Storageworks Bits & Pieces.N Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116D52B@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>  8 70-31459-01		EMU for BA355 (SW300), replaced by BA35X-EA 12-39921-01		68 Pin Y-cablem   	OliverB   -----Original Message-----* From: Islandco [mailto:sales@islandco.com]' Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:23 PMl To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn: Subject: Re: Part Numbers From Storageworks Bits & Pieces.    ) 12- 39921-01 CONN, 68 POS. Y ADAPTOR WIDEr  ( 70-31459-01  HSZ/HSD Controller assembly  % That's all I can find in our databasea   Davidi   -- Island Computers US Corporations 2700 Gregory Streetg	 Suite 150  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622p Fax: 912 201 0096i sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com  C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andnJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whomE they are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intendeda
 recipient,G please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete thisx message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingo of this message is prohibited.    > "Robert Alan Byer" <byer@mail.ourservers.net> wrote in message+ news:5eSmMbLK3Iqv@cartman.ourservers.net...# >lF > I love DEC stuff, but I'm really begging to hate COMPAQ.  Can't find ANYTHING
 > anymore. >sE > I have some parts from a Storageworks box that I need some info on.y* > (I basically need to know what they are) >y > 7031459-01
 > 12-39921-01  > ! > Any help would be appreciated..d >m > -- > B >  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+B >  | Robert Alan Byer | byer@mail.ourservers.net | ICQ #65926579 |B >  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+B >  | Send an E-mail request to obtain a copy of my PGP key.      |B >  +-------------------------------------------------------------+B >  | "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by |B >  |  cans of cola the thoughts aquire speed, the hands aquire   |B >  |  shakes, the shakes become a warning.  It is by caffeine    |B >  |  alone I set my mind in motion."                            |B >  +-------------------------------------------------------------+ >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 15:11:38 -0500s2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>A Subject: Porting C-Scape 3.2 or 4.0 to Compaq Alpha OpenVMS 7.1-2c7 Message-ID: <200103071512_MC2-C7F4-6826@compuserve.com>   " Message text written by Norman Woo	 >Hi folksr  B I need some help in porting the C-Scape 3.2 or 4.0 (Screen builderF tool from Liant Corp) from DEC VAX 5.5-2 to Compaq Alpha DS20E OpenVMSE 7.1-2.  Liant no longer supports this product since 1995.  We do have  the source code.  A If any one have successfully got C-Scape 3.2 or 4.0 working undery! OpenVMS 7.1-2, please contact me.    Thanks in advance<  H         What sort of help do you need?   Are you able and willing to payJ for it?  How many lines of code must be ported?  What language(s) are the= yP written in?r  A         Porting software from VAX to Alpha can mean anything from F recompile, relink and go, to making some major repairs.  Most software/ falls into the compile, link and go category. =a    J          If the software is written in C, that almost always means a lot = ofF work porting K&R C to ANSI C as well as VAX to Alpha.  It's not alwaysJ mandatory; the compiler has a VAX C compatability switch, but it's usuall= y9J desirable.  K&R C permitted a lot of sleazy/lazy coding practices that AN= SIG C disallows.  Porting the software may uncover some bugs that have beenM biting you for years!    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 16:46:05 -0800o. From: Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org>! Subject: Re: PROD Utility Failurew( Message-ID: <3AA6D64D.4EE0ABB1@vmmc.org>  Q Problem resolved!  It was the issue with VMS$COMMON & SYSCOMMON directories beingl faulty.u   Thanks all for the help!   Charlie Hammond wrote:  9 > In article <3AA3E857.FF42CB8B@vmmc.org>, Jack Trachtmane# > <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> writes:S >sN > >No private disks mounted.  Checked all DISK$* logicals.  Dismounted all butR > >system disk and repeated PROD REGISTER VMS cmd with same results (ie no PCSI dbF > >files created.)  Ran ANA/DISK and found no problems on system disk. > >gO > >Is there any way to reinstall PCSI?  Or possibly copy all its parts from thep > >V7.2-1 distribution CD? >=E > Yes, in theory you can copy the PCSI*.EXE files from SYS$SYSTEM and=I > SYS$LIBRARY, and all the PCSI*.* files from SYS$UPDATE, and re-load theeI > PCSI.CLD.  Or you could re-install OpenVMS -- which might be less errorlH > prone.  BUT, I don't see this as the problem -- or as the next step in > fixing the problem.= >= > Please check the following.= >=? > (1) Run ANALYZE/DISK on the system disk.  Any problems found?3 >:5 > (2) Check that SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR F > and SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0]SYSCOMMON.DIR are aliases for the same file.D > Do this by comapring FILE IDS as follows (your actual file IDs may+ > be different, but they must be the same):n > 2 > $ dir /file sys$sysdevice:[000000]vms$common.dir > " > Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000] >(9 > VMS$COMMON.DIR;1                         (15,1,0) <---.e9 >                                                       |aE > $ dir /file sys$sysdevice:[sys0]syscommon.dir         | Must be theiB >                                                       | same ID.9 > Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0]                        | 9 >                                                       |e9 > SYSCOMMON.DIR;1                          (15,1,0) <---'e > K > Meanwhile, we are trying to think what else might be causing the problem.i >t > --M >     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAdJ >        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)L >       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 15:38:42 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: Removing Ctl-M's , Message-ID: <3AA69C4D.7A6FF6F2@videotron.ca>  M > >> I have a series of files that have a ^M (ctrl-M) at the end of each lineeM > >> rather than a <CR><LF> combo, in unix we have a unix-to-dos command, can O > >> someone give me a pointer on how we can do bulk file conversion under VMS?e  / $SET FILE/ATTRIB=(RFM:STMCR,RAT:CR)  input.file.   (you may try RAT:NONE)  L If you can then TYPE input.file with lines properly delimited, then VMS willM interpret records properly, and if you then use FTP in text mode , the remotes< system will receive the file in its own  native text format.  F You can also convert the CR to an LF after having done the above with:  , CONVERT input.file output.file/FDL=SYS$INPUT RECORD   FORMAT  stream_LF("   CARRIAGE_CONTROL carriage_return <ctrl>Zh   ------------------------------   Date: 07 Mar 2001 22:07:29 GMT From: ka2doug@cs.com (KA2DOUG) Subject: telnetsym lowercase> Message-ID: <20010307170729.06659.00000133@ng-ct1.news.cs.com>     vms 6.2 ucx 4.2aL   Previous posting:  Print server with TELNET and old line printer. ProgramsN print directly to print device. Couldn't set TNA device spooled. As suggested,; created an LTAn port and set dev LTAn /spooled and init/queuN /on=ip:port/proc=ucx$telnetsysm,  thus allowing me to open the LTA and print.   o
 HOWEVER...  M  1. The printer is a B-600 with 64 character band (no lower case). The device./ must be set /upper in order to print correctly. O  2. The queue shows "Lowercase" and I can find no way to change this. The queuecK  is not associated with a "setable" device, as it would be if we had LTA or  NTY.  , Anyone know how I can overcome this problem?    -Doug   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:44:06 +1100/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>   Subject: Re: telnetsym lowercase1 Message-ID: <AzAp6.5149$o4.223166@ozemail.com.au>u   If you set the device /nospool2 can you set the terminal LTAn to be /nolowercase ?* and then set the device as /spooled again? Phil) KA2DOUG <ka2doug@cs.com> wrote in messagen8 news:20010307170729.06659.00000133@ng-ct1.news.cs.com... >   vms 6.2 ucx 4.2sE >   Previous posting:  Print server with TELNET and old line printer.o ProgramsE > print directly to print device. Couldn't set TNA device spooled. Ass
 suggested,= > created an LTAn port and set dev LTAn /spooled and init/quesH > /on=ip:port/proc=ucx$telnetsysm,  thus allowing me to open the LTA and print. >l > HOWEVER... >lH >  1. The printer is a B-600 with 64 character band (no lower case). The device1 > must be set /upper in order to print correctly.uK >  2. The queue shows "Lowercase" and I can find no way to change this. The  queueoJ >  is not associated with a "setable" device, as it would be if we had LTA or > NTY. >e. > Anyone know how I can overcome this problem? >a >  -Doug >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 15:11:40 -0500a2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: TELNETSYM monitoringo7 Message-ID: <200103071512_MC2-C7F4-6828@compuserve.com>n           How about using:  > $ ACCOUNTING /SINCE=3D1-FEB-2001/TYPE=3DPRINT/REPORT=3DPAGES -:         /SUMMARY=3D(QUEUE) /OUTPUT=3DPRINT_QUEUE_USAGE.LIS  J This should give you a report of pages printed by print queue.  If a queu= ekG is not listed, it is not being used.  If it's not being used, you don'tn need it.  Q.E.D.  F Who knows?  You might find queues, with printers, that haven't printedH anything in years!  If no one is printing from any other system, you canJ save space, electricity, air conditioning, etc, by selling or scrapping t= he printer.  B Further investigation will be left as an exercise for the student!    D Message text written by INTERNET:fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br > =o      J I have more than 1200 queues in my OpenVMS servers but I really dont know=   how manyJ are really working, because the help desk people use to create  the queue= se withoutt0 informing if it is a new queue or a moved queue.  C I believe we have about 900-1000 real printers in the company usinge Lantronix EPS and MPS.  D So, how to monitor these EPS and MPS under OpenVMS  and the printers connected to them ?i  J If it is connected to the LAN or not ? Do you know any software to do tha= to ???   F If I had a Queue Monitor with a semaphore would be good . . . like red stopped, yellow stalled,J green idle, yellow blinking busy, and red blinking not connected .... jus= t- for example ! ! !   ; Monitoring by queue or by print server .... (both ways) ...h   Regardsd   FC <v   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 03:28:47 GMTl) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton)t! Subject: Re: TELNETSYM monitoring 0 Message-ID: <3aa6fb58.30771136@news.wcc.govt.nz>  E A crude method but generally indicative and one I used here to reducet5 the number of queues from a few hundred to around 50.  Set All the Queues to /Retain.E As soon as entries appear on the Queues - remove the /Retain or maybee set back to /retain=error. Delete the retained entries.D Leave for a while, as there may be the Users who use that particular? Printer from the VMS System once a month  (or less frequently).t  E I know it's not pretty but pretty quickly you'll know what Queues aree being used.x   Rob.   >m+ >fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:s >aL >> I have more than 1200 queues in my OpenVMS servers but I really dont know >> how manyoM >> are really working, because the help desk people use to create  the queues-
 >> without3 >> informing if it is a new queue or a moved queue.6 >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 14:58:24 -0500-- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>-+ Subject: Variation in c.o.v. delivery delay-( Message-ID: <3AA692DF.818AC87F@ohio.edu>  G We recently changed newsfeeds and I am wondering if it is a coincidenceEG that I am now notices what seems like a much larger variability betweentH posting date-timestamp and when the notes arrive on our news server.  ItI used to be that everything came through with a delay ranging from minutesoH to hours or a day, now it seems of often be many days and sometimes more than a week.  K The obvious question is whether the info-vax gateway might be the source oftG the variation, but within the last half-hour I received gatewayed notes>? that were posted Friday, 3/2, at 5:19 PM, and today at 2:44 PM.l  I Are other people seeing variations of up to a week in delivery delay?  IseK there a pattern of gatewayed notes being more delay?  Any other insights to  offer?  +                                         RDP*   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 17:23:27 -0600d* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>/ Subject: RE: Variation in c.o.v. delivery delay,- Message-ID: <0033000018090683000002L032*@MHS>C  7 =0AProof that Einstein was right.  Time IS elastic. :^)*   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ) > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:08 PM*8 > To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET- > Subject: Variation in c.o.v. delivery delay0 >  >m= > We recently changed newsfeeds and I am wondering if it is aE
 > coincidencer5 > that I am now notices what seems like a much largerk > variability between1> > posting date-timestamp and when the notes arrive on our news
 > server.  It > > used to be that everything came through with a delay ranging > from minutes; > to hours or a day, now it seems of often be many days anda > sometimes more > than a week. >r? > The obvious question is whether the info-vax gateway might bel > the source of 9 > the variation, but within the last half-hour I receivedt > gatewayed notes A > that were posted Friday, 3/2, at 5:19 PM, and today at 2:44 PM.n >r7 > Are other people seeing variations of up to a week inw > delivery delay?  Isr; > there a pattern of gatewayed notes being more delay?  Any  > other insights tot > offer? > - >                                         RDP  >L > --H > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=I =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=t9 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D D > Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerD > piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesD > http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University >=   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 19:10:55 GMT 2 From: Arthur Krewat <krewat@bartek.dontspamme.net> Subject: Re: VAX BSD 4.2/4.34 Message-ID: <3AA68683.9247E9E@bartek.dontspamme.net>   Seth wrote:h > F > In alt.sys.pdp10 Arthur Krewat <krewat@bartek.dontspamme.net> wrote:I > > Anyone know the copyright problems with this? BSD 4.3 was on the 'netmK > > a few years ago, and probably still is somewhere. I am not the originallC > > licensee, and found this stuff in the garbage (public domain?).o > A > It's no problem assuming you both have ancient UNIX source code C > licenses.  You can get them for free by visiting SCO at this URL:v > ( > http://www.sco.com/offers/ancient.html  2 Excellent, I was looking at that last night too...  + Thanks for the info, I'll spread it around.a   art k.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 20:53:50 -0000u0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org> Subject: Re: VAX BSD 4.2/4.3/ Message-ID: <tad7uutp8mb50a@corp.supernews.com>s  D In alt.sys.pdp10 Arthur Krewat <krewat@bartek.dontspamme.net> wrote:C > Tim, if it helps at all, I have BSD 4.2 (and 4.3) boot tapes for -@ > VAX-11/750 (and 780!). I have complete sources, especially the& > device drivers for disks/tapes, etc.  E > This may help implementing most of the devices you need to emulate.e  G > Anyone know the copyright problems with this? BSD 4.3 was on the 'netrI > a few years ago, and probably still is somewhere. I am not the original1A > licensee, and found this stuff in the garbage (public domain?).m  C Well, I have ancient source license that I registered last year.  I G downloaded some BSD sources and found something about VAX.  I will looka into them again soon.    -- Tim Stark   -- 6, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Mar 2001 20:50:43 GMTn1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)o Subject: Re: VAX BSD 4.2/4.3, Message-ID: <9866v3$12vo$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  / In article <985ses$rk@dispatch.concentric.net>, 1  Seth <sethm@please-no-spam.retronet.net> writes:a |> mG |> In alt.sys.pdp10 Arthur Krewat <krewat@bartek.dontspamme.net> wrote:iJ |> > Anyone know the copyright problems with this? BSD 4.3 was on the 'netL |> > a few years ago, and probably still is somewhere. I am not the originalD |> > licensee, and found this stuff in the garbage (public domain?). |> fE |> [Sorry, I know this is a little off-topic for either PDP-10 or VMSrE |> newsgroups, but I thought I'd mention it anyway if it helps towardfF |> the development of a VAX emulator.  I really like VMS myself, shock |> and horror!]  |>  B |> It's no problem assuming you both have ancient UNIX source codeD |> licenses.  You can get them for free by visiting SCO at this URL: |> i) |> http://www.sco.com/offers/ancient.html- |> -G |> Once you've agreed to the terms, you can legally use any AT&T or BSD C |> derived UNIX in accordance with the license, and you can request-H |> access to the UNIX Heritage Society's UNIX Archive to get old sources |> at this URL:n |> o% |> http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/TUHS/t  @ Or, you can use the source to the VAX version of NetBSD which is? totally un-encumbered and requires no license whatsoever.  You m@ are then free to even use your emulator for commercial purposes.@ It is unlikely the same would be true if your emulator was based5 on reverse engineering an encumbered version of Unix.0   bill   -- cJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 01:38:52 -0000C0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org> Subject: Re: VAX BSD 4.2/4.3/ Message-ID: <tadolcjj4c4na8@corp.supernews.com>.  B In alt.sys.pdp10 Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org> wrote:E > Well, I have ancient source license that I registered last year.  IhI > downloaded some BSD sources and found something about VAX.  I will lookw > into them again soon.b  @ Well, I reviewed something in BSD 4.3 sources.  About MBA, I now? recongize them completely because I wrote RP06 emulation for mylG TS10 emulator.  About UBA, it is very new to me.  It looks like Q22-BusoD to me.  About UDA disk controller, I found out that UDA/KDA requires MSCP packets to process... l  E I was figuring out about KA630 but they seems not enough information.p9 I do not know which address for TOD, etc. :-(  I still amo@ waiting for a copy of KA630 CPU user guide.  Yes, I noticed thatC remark that ask me to see KA630 manual for more information, etc...   0 Thank you for let me know about BSD 4.3 sources.   -- Tim Stark   -- y, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 03:58:09 GMTC2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: VAX BSD 4.2/4.35 Message-ID: <lrDp6.7205$a3.14101@typhoon.aracnet.com>m  B In alt.sys.pdp10 Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org> wrote:F > to me.  About UDA disk controller, I found out that UDA/KDA requires > MSCP packets to process...    J Oh, bleep, I should have thought of that.  It's starting to sound like theB 11/780 is definitly your best bet to get started on from the driveK standpoint.  I'm pretty sure that there is something that will connect that*K doesn't require MSCP.....  Of course I went to pull up the OpenVMS SPD, andlK they've moved it again, so I'm not sure what disks are currently supported.e   			Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 20:35:16 +0000o+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>tD Subject: Re: VMS 7.2 install requires MACRO32 for standalone BACKUP?' Message-ID: <3AA69B84.39194072@iee.org>:   Chris Scheers wrote: >  > Dan Foster wrote:. > >o > > Howdy -pP > >         I'm immensely curious what it is about VMS 7.2 such that the install= > > requires MACRO32.EXE in order to build standalone BACKUP?m > C > This is not a V7.2 issue.  It has been a part of VAX/VMS forever. C > (Well, maybe not forever, but I don't know how far back it goes.)  > G > On the VAX, standalone backup actually runs from a pseudo disk, i.e.,  > RAM disk.b > I > If you take a look at SYS$UPDATE:STABACKIT.COM, it builds a small MACROi$ > program to manage the pseudo disk. > ! > Therefore, MACRO32 is required.    But there's more:   , If you use the layered-product-startup stuff+ (which hardly anyone does) and you get intow% the SYSMAN STARTUP stuff, you'll finde" that the process involves invoking( a command procedure (I forget which one)& which then invokes MACRO-32 to produce1 an object file (and that may then get linked ... n. it's been quite some time since I last tripped& over this stuff), which is part of the input to the system boot.-  , MACRO-32 has been guaranteed to be available+ forever (except possibly on certain minimale) MicroVMS configs) so certain obscure bits  have come to depend on it.   Antonion   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orge   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 23:37:56 -0500i- From: gary prarat <g.prarat@worldnet.att.net>p@ Subject: Re: What monitor and keyboad will work with dec3000/4006 Message-ID: <013401c0a789$96a4e140$65994d0c@nstar.net>  ) Thanks all for help. I finally acquired al) vrt-19A monitor and the special keyboard,i" mouse and cables that go with it.   ( Among other issues that I am working on,( the display on the monitor appears to be) reduced to about the size of a 17" screene* and the left side is truncated cutting off' 2 or 3 characters. Does anyone know howe- to fix this. I have fiddled with the controls ( and dont find anything that fixes this.     ) Any help appreciated. Thanks, Gary PraratM ----- Original Message ----- d. From: "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>2* Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 11:18 AM@ Subject: Re: What monitor and keyboad will work with dec3000/400    1 > gary prarat <g.prarat@worldnet.att.net> writes:i > , > > I am about to become practicing hobbyist& > > (due to layoff)and am acquiring a & > > Dec Alpha 3000/400 running unknown+ > > version of VMS. Can  anyone please telle' > > me what monitor and keyboard I needh+ > > to use (or point me to the right faq orn > > web site to find out). > ) > LK401s work fine, and a VSXXX-GA mouse.  >  > -- u> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.oB >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 19:56:52 GMTo, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>" Subject: [GAME?] def/sys and privs& Message-ID: <3AA69261.692C930C@gmx.ch>   I hope you will like this one:  ' ISLKP1> set proc/priv=(noall,tmpm,netm)s ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 1i ISLKP1> sh log toto2"    "TOTO" = "1" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) ISLKP1> set proc/priv=all1 ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 2  ISLKP1> sh log toto "    "TOTO" = "1" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 3o< %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TOTO has been superseded ISLKP1> sh log toto "    "TOTO" = "1" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)' ISLKP1> set proc/priv=(noall,tmpm,netm)  ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 4s< %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TOTO has been superseded ISLKP1> sh log totor"    "TOTO" = "4" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) ISLKP1> set proc/priv=alle ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 5 < %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TOTO has been superseded ISLKP1> sh log toto "    "TOTO" = "4" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)    Sometime, life is really hard... D.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:22:53 +0200 (MET)i1 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.exchange.de>-& Subject: Re: [GAME?] def/sys and privs3 Message-ID: <01K0XH9CJI9O9N53P5@sysdev.exchange.de>u    > I hope you will like this one:    Perfectly clear, and documented.  B Try SHOW LOGICAL/FULL.  Also, /EXEC silently produces /SUPERVISOR # (documented) of privs aren't there.E   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 15:24:34 -0500 - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>d& Subject: Re: [GAME?] def/sys and privs( Message-ID: <3AA69900.11B6AFE9@ohio.edu>  ! When I do it on OpenVMS V7.1-1H2:.  
 $ sh log toto?4 %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name TOTO $ set proc/priv=alle $ show log toto/full4 %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name TOTO! $ set proc/priv=(noall,tmpm,netm)s $ def/sys/exec toto 1 G %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection violation   * which strikes me as the expected behavior.  & I would ask:  what version of VMS  ???F                     what happens if you include $ SHOW PROC/PRIV   ???E                     what happens if you include the /FULL on the SHOWe LOGICAL  ???  +                                         RDPa     Didier Morandi wrote:.    > I hope you will like this one: >a) > ISLKP1> set proc/priv=(noall,tmpm,netm)  > ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 1t > ISLKP1> sh log totod$ >    "TOTO" = "1" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > ISLKP1> set proc/priv=alle > ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 2  > ISLKP1> sh log toto $ >    "TOTO" = "1" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 3g> > %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TOTO has been superseded > ISLKP1> sh log toto $ >    "TOTO" = "1" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)) > ISLKP1> set proc/priv=(noall,tmpm,netm)r > ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 4s> > %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TOTO has been superseded > ISLKP1> sh log toto1$ >    "TOTO" = "4" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > ISLKP1> set proc/priv=all: > ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 5s> > %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TOTO has been superseded > ISLKP1> sh log toto $ >    "TOTO" = "4" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) >r" > Sometime, life is really hard... > D.   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:16:01 GMTl, From: "J. Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com>& Subject: Re: [GAME?] def/sys and privs5 Message-ID: <lyxp6.96220$Ki.429665@quark.idirect.com>p  8 "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> wrote in message" news:3AA69900.11B6AFE9@ohio.edu...# > When I do it on OpenVMS V7.1-1H2:> >t > $ sh log totog6 > %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name TOTO > $ set proc/priv=all  > $ show log toto/full6 > %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name TOTO# > $ set proc/priv=(noall,tmpm,netm). > $ def/sys/exec toto 1-I > %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection violationw >e, > which strikes me as the expected behavior.    + Unless, of course, your UIC is a System UICe jsgt       > ( > I would ask:  what version of VMS  ???H >                     what happens if you include $ SHOW PROC/PRIV   ???G >                     what happens if you include the /FULL on the SHOWy > LOGICAL  ??? > - >                                         RDPh >e >h > Didier Morandi wrote:b >h" > > I hope you will like this one: > >h+ > > ISLKP1> set proc/priv=(noall,tmpm,netm)  > > ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 15 > > ISLKP1> sh log toto & > >    "TOTO" = "1" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > > ISLKP1> set proc/priv=alld > > ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 2t > > ISLKP1> sh log totoe& > >    "TOTO" = "1" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > > ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 3 @ > > %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TOTO has been superseded > > ISLKP1> sh log totoP& > >    "TOTO" = "1" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)+ > > ISLKP1> set proc/priv=(noall,tmpm,netm)  > > ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 4 @ > > %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TOTO has been superseded > > ISLKP1> sh log toto-& > >    "TOTO" = "4" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > > ISLKP1> set proc/priv=allL > > ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 5 @ > > %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TOTO has been superseded > > ISLKP1> sh log totoM& > >    "TOTO" = "4" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > >m$ > > Sometime, life is really hard... > > D. >e > --D > ==================================================================D > Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerD > piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesD > http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University >o >i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:18:14 GMTl, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>& Subject: Re: [GAME?] def/sys and privs& Message-ID: <3AA6A574.D4C7662C@gmx.ch>  M correct. When I create an account on a dev machine, I do a uaf copy system...    :-(n   Time for me to retire?   D.   "J. Scott Greig" wrote:    > - > Unless, of course, your UIC is a System UICm > jsgl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:05:39 -0600e/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>,& Subject: Re: [GAME?] def/sys and privs3 Message-ID: <3AA6F703.50CE38CC@applied-synergy.com>    Didier Morandi wrote:y >   > I hope you will like this one: > ) > ISLKP1> set proc/priv=(noall,tmpm,netm)s > ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 1  > ISLKP1> sh log toto $ >    "TOTO" = "1" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > ISLKP1> set proc/priv=all3 > ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 2= > ISLKP1> sh log toto=$ >    "TOTO" = "1" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 3=> > %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TOTO has been superseded > ISLKP1> sh log toto $ >    "TOTO" = "1" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)) > ISLKP1> set proc/priv=(noall,tmpm,netm)e > ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 4.> > %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TOTO has been superseded > ISLKP1> sh log totoa$ >    "TOTO" = "4" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > ISLKP1> set proc/priv=allt > ISLKP1> def/sys/exec toto 5:> > %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TOTO has been superseded > ISLKP1> sh log toto $ >    "TOTO" = "4" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > " > Sometime, life is really hard... > D.   And the problem/question is?  C If you are wondering why you can create system logicals without thetD SYSNAM privilege, check to see if you are running with a system UIC.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------u$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074m   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:10:29 +0100> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>3 Subject: Re: [REQ] f$env("procedure","line_number")1. Message-ID: <9864bl$ihp$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>  	 Bonsoir !.  # Not sure you can process lines likes  4 $ blahblah - ! this is the first part of the command! next vlah    ! this is the seconde   Cordialement
 Jean-Franois,    9 "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> wrote in message   news:3AA67F5A.5C3FF65A@gmx.ch...C > I would like to be able to know the line number executed in a DCL.
 procedure, sohK > that my error handler could log it tambien, together with the name of theh proc,iJ > the timestamp, the pid, user, procname, error text et caetera et caeteraK > (pronounce xtra, althouth should be et_tchtra (classic) or etkatras > (modern))a >g0 > I did this, but I am not really happy with it: >i > $ close/nolog ch > $ close/nolog ch2o > $ open/read ch source.com " > $ open/write ch2 post_source.com > $ i=0o > $LOOP: > $ read/end=EOF ch line > $ write ch2 line	 > $ i=i+1 
 > $ rec = "$"y > $ rec[74,6] := L='i'% > $ if f$extract(0,2,line) .nes. "$!"- > $ then3 > $    line2=f$edit(line,"TRIM,COMPRESS,UNCOMMENT") E > $    if f$extract(f$len(line2)-1,1,line2) .nes. "-"         !do not  process !!!l > $    then  > $       write ch2 rec  > $       i=i+1l > $    endif	 > $ endif-
 > $ goto LOOPa > $EOF:  > $ close ch
 > $ close ch2l > $ exit >u > which gives this:n >o > (post_source.com)D > ../.. = > $! Create the logical name table LNM$ISLK_TABLE (shareable)sJ > $ set noon                                            !in case it exists already  > $  L=162l > $ set proc/priv=sysprv > $a L=164k& > $ say "[creating common ISLK_TABLE]" > $e L=166g@ > $   create/name_table/nolog/prot=(sy:rwed,ow:rwed,gr:r,wo:r) -< >           /exec/parent=LNM$SYSTEM_DIRECTORY LNM$ISLK_TABLE > $c L=169a > $u > $i L=171 ' > $ say "[creating ISLK_''site'_TABLE]"> > $r L=173o@ > $   create/name_table/nolog/prot=(sy:rwed,ow:rwed,gr:r,wo:r) -C >           /exec/parent=LNM$SYSTEM_DIRECTORY LNM$ISLK_'site'_TABLEd > $p L=176  > $ set proc/priv=nosysprv > $S L=178, > $! >> > and this:  >> > ISLKP1> @READ_ISLK_JNL.COM > ----------------) > Error logged on  7-MAR-2001 18:29:32.40 3 > from procedure   PROG00:[ISLK_USER.ISLK_MGR]B.B;6  > produced by line 200 > Error message is:>A > %RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationT > <RET> for next record: > ----------------) > Error logged on  7-MAR-2001 18:29:32.72 3 > from procedure   PROG00:[ISLK_USER.ISLK_MGR]B.B;6d > produced by line 525 > Error message is:i0 > %QUEMAN-F-OPENOUT, error opening !AS as output > <RET> for next record: > ----------------) > Error logged on  7-MAR-2001 18:29:32.91s3 > from procedure   PROG00:[ISLK_USER.ISLK_MGR]B.B;6e > produced by line 551 > Error message is:e) > %DELETE-W-FILNOTPUR, error deleting !ASw > <RET> for next record: >i  > Someone did something similar? > D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 20:40:11 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 3 Subject: Re: [REQ] f$env("procedure","line_number")t0 Message-ID: <009F8AA5.5C1A9224@SendSpamHere.ORG>  o In article <9864bl$ihp$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>, "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> writes:@
 >Bonsoir ! >.$ >Not sure you can process lines like >g5 >$ blahblah - ! this is the first part of the commands" >next vlah    ! this is the second >k
 >Cordialement: >Jean-Franois >c >t: >"Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> wrote in message! >news:3AA67F5A.5C3FF65A@gmx.ch...hD >> I would like to be able to know the line number executed in a DCL >procedure, soL >> that my error handler could log it tambien, together with the name of the >proc,K >> the timestamp, the pid, user, procname, error text et caetera et caeteralL >> (pronounce xtra, althouth should be et_tchtra (classic) or etkatra >> (modern)) >>1 >> I did this, but I am not really happy with it:b >> >> $ close/nolog chi >> $ close/nolog ch2 >> $ open/read ch source.com# >> $ open/write ch2 post_source.como >> $ i=0	 >> $LOOP:g >> $ read/end=EOF ch line  >> $ write ch2 line 
 >> $ i=i+1 >> $ rec = "$" >> $ rec[74,6] := L='i'n& >> $ if f$extract(0,2,line) .nes. "$!"	 >> $ thenT4 >> $    line2=f$edit(line,"TRIM,COMPRESS,UNCOMMENT")F >> $    if f$extract(f$len(line2)-1,1,line2) .nes. "-"         !do not >process !!! >> $    then >> $       write ch2 rec >> $       i=i+1
 >> $    endifh
 >> $ endif >> $ goto LOOP >> $EOF:
 >> $ close che >> $ close ch2	 >> $ exit  >> >> which gives this: >> >> (post_source.com) >> ../..> >> $! Create the logical name table LNM$ISLK_TABLE (shareable)K >> $ set noon                                            !in case it existsD >already >> $ >L=162 >> $ set proc/priv=sysprva >> $ >L=164' >> $ say "[creating common ISLK_TABLE]"  >> $ >L=166A >> $   create/name_table/nolog/prot=(sy:rwed,ow:rwed,gr:r,wo:r) - = >>           /exec/parent=LNM$SYSTEM_DIRECTORY LNM$ISLK_TABLEt >> $ >L=169 >> $ >> $ >L=171( >> $ say "[creating ISLK_''site'_TABLE]" >> $ >L=173A >> $   create/name_table/nolog/prot=(sy:rwed,ow:rwed,gr:r,wo:r) -mD >>           /exec/parent=LNM$SYSTEM_DIRECTORY LNM$ISLK_'site'_TABLE >> $ >L=176 >> $ set proc/priv=nosysprvy >> $ >L=178 >> $!o >> >> and this: >> >> ISLKP1> @READ_ISLK_JNL.COM  >> -----------------* >> Error logged on  7-MAR-2001 18:29:32.404 >> from procedure   PROG00:[ISLK_USER.ISLK_MGR]B.B;6 >> produced by line 200V >> Error message is:B >> %RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation >> <RET> for next record:t >> ----------------w* >> Error logged on  7-MAR-2001 18:29:32.724 >> from procedure   PROG00:[ISLK_USER.ISLK_MGR]B.B;6 >> produced by line 525M >> Error message is:1 >> %QUEMAN-F-OPENOUT, error opening !AS as output2 >> <RET> for next record:  >> ---------------- * >> Error logged on  7-MAR-2001 18:29:32.914 >> from procedure   PROG00:[ISLK_USER.ISLK_MGR]B.B;6 >> produced by line 551m >> Error message is:* >> %DELETE-W-FILNOTPUR, error deleting !AS >> <RET> for next record:t >>! >> Someone did something similar?n >> D.  >u >d --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMl            tO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:20:15 GMTr, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>3 Subject: Re: [REQ] f$env("procedure","line_number")e& Message-ID: <3AA6A5ED.FE5318E7@gmx.ch>  " Of course it does, because of the:   $ then1 $    line2=f$edit(line,"TRIM,COMPRESS,UNCOMMENT")-O $    if f$extract(f$len(line2)-1,1,line2) .nes. "-"         !do not process !!!a	 $    thenS   "Jean-Franois Marchal" wrote: >  > Bonsoir !p > % > Not sure you can process lines like  > 6 > $ blahblah - ! this is the first part of the command# > next vlah    ! this is the second    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.133 ************************