1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 17 Mar 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 152       Contents:' Re: - OpenVMS ever to be on Intel chip?  Re: /PARENT=LNM$SYSCLUSTER authorize bug ?  Re: authorize bug ?  Migrating from vms 6.2 to 7.2  Migrating from vms 6.2 to 7.2 + Open VMS Experience with Enterprise Storage / RE: Open VMS Experience with Enterprise Storage / Re: Open VMS Experience with Enterprise Storage  Re: OpenVMS Educational Program  Re: OpenVMS Educational Program  Re: OpenVMS Educational Program  RE: OpenVMS Educational Program  Re: OpenVMS Educational Program % Re: Pathworks Client and Windows 2000  Question about DS10 600Mhz ?- Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area # Re: The Chris and Bill show. Act II . Re: the Northeast Digital Systems Ebay Follies. Re: the Northeast Digital Systems Ebay Follies. Re: the Northeast Digital Systems Ebay Follies RE: VPM$SERVER ERROR MESSAGE! Re: [Q] skip [vms$common] parsing   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:41:07 GMT ; From: Mark Garrett <Mark.Garrett@wedontwantyourspam.com.au> 0 Subject: Re: - OpenVMS ever to be on Intel chip?C Message-ID: <B6D9D08C.15370%Mark.Garrett@wedontwantyourspam.com.au>   = in article 87vgpaj7ni.fsf@prep.synonet.com, Paul Repacholi at 0 prep@prep.synonet.com wrote on 16/03/2001 22:05:  ? > Mark Garrett <Mark.Garrett@wedontwantyourspam.com.au> writes:  > B >> Great infiniband looks like some old concepts ;) Looks like and3 >> update of an RH20 channel for the new century ;)  > " > True. Read Tony in RH20 land? :)  K Read it a couple of times, I suspect Tony was just pissed off that the lack D of info and the design being anything but for TOPS-10, when he had aH perfectly good RH10 driver and they did this RH20 to him :). I think theK RH20 was a good enough channel controller though, just not what he expected E and certainly a few quirks (aka bugs) in the hardware to work around.     
     Cheers         Mark ;)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:54:59 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com# Subject: Re: /PARENT=LNM$SYSCLUSTER H Message-ID: <OF015B1F43.51DCB629-ON80256A12.003AFF14@qedi.quintiles.com>  ( Well if you're wrong David then so am I.H SYSNAM privilege is, after all, concerned with system logical names.  To quote the 7.1 documentation :   I "The SYSNAM privilege lets the user's process bypass discretionary access G controls and insert names into the system logical name table and delete K names from that table by using the Create Logical Name ($CRELNM) and Delete K Logical" Name ($DELLNM) system services.  A process with this privilege can I use the DCL commands ASSIGN and DEFINE to add names to the system logical H name table in user or executive mode and can use the DEASSIGN command in, either mode to delete names from the table."  K This obviously affects the ability to mount disks system-wide and such like @ as well as these functions affect the system logical name table.   Steve.    David J. Dachtera wrote/quoted :F >>>>>        Requires either create (C) access to the parent table and write E >>        (W) access to the system directory or the SYSNAM privilege.   F I would think that since "LNM$SYSTEM" .NES. "LNM$SYSCLUSTER", that theI LNM$SYSCLUSTER table is treated like any other shared logical name table,  and H the privileges required to modify it would depend upon its ownership and. protection code as well as your process's UIC.  * I could be (probably am) wrong, as always. <<<    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:53:07 +0100 > From: "Jean-Francois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> Subject: authorize bug ?. Message-ID: <98v4vh$9cp$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>   Bonjour  tous !  8 Here is a strange behaviour within AUTHORIZE (VMS 7.2-1)9 RIGHTSLIST and SYSUAF are defined as system wide logicals    UAF> show/ident BIOMED=   Name                             Value           Attributes 2   BIOMED                           [021452,001005]$ UAF> show/ident/user=[021452,001005], %UAF-W-BADSPC, no user matches specification  D the second show/ident has been typed with a cut and paste of the uic  7 not all the identifiers of the group behave such a way. 8 discovered the problem with a show/identr/user=[21452,*]. which didn't return the full list of the group   Any idea would be welcomed Cordialement Jean-Franois Marchal  X9000 - LYON (FR)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:09:54 -0500 7 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@sasSPAMITUPTHEZZZ.com>  Subject: Re: authorize bug ?2 Message-ID: <vW+zOpvfX1zk9Lzu=qZ6aYuLIMzi@4ax.com>  / What do you get when you do a SHOW BIOMED and a 5 SHOW [21452,1005]?  It looks like the UIC identifiers 1 don't match up with the actual UIC for the users.    David R. Beatty   ; On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:53:07 +0100, "Jean-Francois Marchal" ' <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote:    >Bonjour  tous !  > 9 >Here is a strange behaviour within AUTHORIZE (VMS 7.2-1) : >RIGHTSLIST and SYSUAF are defined as system wide logicals >  >UAF> show/ident BIOMED > >  Name                             Value           Attributes3 >  BIOMED                           [021452,001005] % >UAF> show/ident/user=[021452,001005] - >%UAF-W-BADSPC, no user matches specification  > E >the second show/ident has been typed with a cut and paste of the uic  > 8 >not all the identifiers of the group behave such a way.9 >discovered the problem with a show/identr/user=[21452,*] / >which didn't return the full list of the group  >  >Any idea would be welcomed 
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 or Sybase.  J         DEC C should need no changes going from OpenVMS/VAX V6.2 to V7.2.=  =  J You will probably have to upgrade your database software to a version tha= t J is supported under VMS  V7.2  If you are using Oracle, you should probabl= y H upgrade to version 8.  I believe that Oracle 7.3.4 is the lowest version supporting VMS V7.2.  J         VMS tends to be very upward compatible as far as applications are=  J concerned; programs that were compiled and linked on VMS V1.0 more than 2= 0 J years ago will still work.  Databases are a special case; they usually us= e H undocumented and unsupported interfaces to the system kernel which makes them highly version dependent.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:13:05 GMT  From: "Mike Gray" <me@home.com> 4 Subject: Open VMS Experience with Enterprise Storage: Message-ID: <BWMs6.240879$v.25782841@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>   Hi,   G I am wondering what experiences you may have with Open VMS & Enterprise J Storage (such as IBM Shark or EMC Symmetrix)? Can anyone offer any advice.   Mi   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:35:46 +0000 5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> 8 Subject: RE: Open VMS Experience with Enterprise StorageN Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116D541@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>  C IBM's shark storage is nice but very expensive.  EMC's is nice too.   J However Compaq's enterprise storage isn't bad and as far as I know cheaperI than the other two.  And if you do get problems Compaq will be a lot more + helpful if it's their storage on the system    	Oliver    -----Original Message-----$ From: Mike Gray [mailto:me@home.com]& Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:13 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 4 Subject: Open VMS Experience with Enterprise Storage     Hi,   G I am wondering what experiences you may have with Open VMS & Enterprise J Storage (such as IBM Shark or EMC Symmetrix)? Can anyone offer any advice.   Mi   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:12:46 GMT  From: "Mike Gray" <me@home.com> 8 Subject: Re: Open VMS Experience with Enterprise Storage: Message-ID: <yONs6.241164$v.25828308@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>   Thanks.   L Aside from cost, does anyone have EMc or IBM connected to VMS? Any problems?7 I am looking at running IDX (healtchare package) on it.    Mi@ "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> wrote in messageH news:F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116D541@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net...E > IBM's shark storage is nice but very expensive.  EMC's is nice too.  > L > However Compaq's enterprise storage isn't bad and as far as I know cheaperK > than the other two.  And if you do get problems Compaq will be a lot more - > helpful if it's their storage on the system  >  > Oliver >  > -----Original Message-----& > From: Mike Gray [mailto:me@home.com]( > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:13 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 6 > Subject: Open VMS Experience with Enterprise Storage >  >  > Hi,  > I > I am wondering what experiences you may have with Open VMS & Enterprise L > Storage (such as IBM Shark or EMC Symmetrix)? Can anyone offer any advice. >  > Mi >    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Mar 2001 10:21:05 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Educational Program6 Message-ID: <20010317102105.21420.qmail@nym.alias.net>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  8 On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Rob Komar <rkomar@telus.net> wrote:   <snip>  I >Companies like IBM and SGI support Linux because it offers them a way of F >battling MicroSoft.  They recognize that small companies that upgradeH >when they grow prefer to stay with systems that they are familiar with.D >Linux and the free BSD unices are popular among the small companiesJ >because they are cheap and because there are many young (and, thus, cheapJ >to employ) people who are familiar enough with them.  When the time comesD >for a larger and more mature system, many of them choose one of theJ >proprietary Unix systems.  Sun even offers support for running Linux appsH >under Solaris to make migration easier.  So, where Linux was originallyF >perceived as a threat against the proprietary Unices, it has now beenG >recognized to be an important driving force behind the rejuvenation of  >the entire Unix server market.  > D >I hope that those dead set against porting VMS to PC hardware or toC >porting whiz-bang Windows/Unix software to VMS reconsider in light C >of the above (or have a completely different plan for rejuvenating  >VMS market share).    Very well put Rob.   If I can summarise...   E The Q need to produce a VMS system that can act as a small e-business 9 server and costs not much more than the UN*X counterpart.   G For example, a small box to run a webserver, mail server, and carry out C simple business management tasks. All for not much more than $2000.   G Then the ambitious e-businessman can start with the same OS as the Wall  Street Casinos.   I Of course, you'd need to give them away to edjuyacashunal e-stablishments K to make sure there was a base of VMS hackers to run these boxes. That would B also ensure that there was a broader base of free software for the	 platform.      Doc.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----  Version: N/A  @ iQEVAwUBOrKa8sriC3SGiziTAQGW+gf8CgA8E6ZEULc2oSQyeOZOPwwLOKwnSfxz@ J5NAWYDvZdq0RlnVSFKXxAwy5xByoDphqMKHidBngGnOc2X/VRKJN4Zz+WCYYxjE@ tJv3kWNFJ4M/ZwAdkA5fvp/ad4Z9QGRSFdGEiC6tnpi5/l34u261BMgvyuTlOtEV@ uYN/yv7vZsi/N3eXJ1W2H+DCuMF6ttNGDhbpOhA0syXWAj3bn95emrpXQx1RDL/j@ EJ325ryEpHoOAkQJcCHK907LilBv4lL3gwoJMpRiZdmPvhy/6qY4uDS/XvfxpYXU8 t2Pc9DtFu6FBnWM24fiptRXsdIf7K2kzmHYwTroUeLgmYyiZvd90Og== =BJmV  -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Mar 2001 11:40:19 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Educational Program6 Message-ID: <20010317114019.26814.qmail@nym.alias.net>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  J On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:   <snip>  G >> COE won't kill VMS, but a lack of new applications might well do the  >>trick.  K >Yup. That's the VMS Achille's Heel, and it's a well-known fact in ZKO3 and. >elsewhere.E   <snip>  L >Well stated. "Purity" and proliferation (or even survival) are incompatibleI >goals. If one has a problem with "the masses" "destroying the quality ofaJ >VMS," how does one expect to attract new users, ISVs, et al? One doesn't,I >assuming one is rational. If nobody but a small--and shrinking--cadre ofkK >"elitists" are the only people using the OS, both the cadre and the OS arer >doomed to irrelevance.   G Does it matter if some of these new apps are badly written? Surely not.bB It'll keep Hoff and the rest of us busy when we want to top up the retirement funds.y     Doc.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----S Version: N/A  @ iQEVAwUBOrKa8sriC3SGiziTAQF9bwf9E7mdL0q+xX+ikbbVTGSzQ5jYxmYfCaIh@ LVZgfGvyHokLB9lHwxqPO7VwGefY3MdKF1enE7j4XbL1S5LcDtEMFcmjVriew8Dq@ yH1764ATT+wLcR6sc43gnlRx+cjR2otqwjqtoNeSu435VJUQdfN+py0d1jxh8CeR@ kU5EjGkgvQ8ViT7RHa8i/sMynof3hv71CJ7DKm69QGw063aI0yxKSfOnqCA2nqrx@ ZOL2+OvzWiQ4dZxN9Rbz9L/kprwSMYaSpk1Xgd4Hl8E5+EnFYzed/sUHCrhRMwt58 Gv8O4kE/VkAVyGr0sSQSLZ+Q3LR84wOBugy3j97hOPm/ayZhyyc/NA== =csEEe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----2   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Mar 2001 11:40:26 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Educational Program6 Message-ID: <20010317114026.16023.qmail@nym.alias.net>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  J On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:8 >"Brian Wheeler" <bdwheele@indiana.edu> wrote in message. >news:98tbhj$im9$2@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu...D >> I concur!  I *KNEW* there was a reason why I didn't put you in my
 >killfile! :)w >> >> Brian >> > C >Correct. Andrew is anything but a cheerleader for OpenVMS, but his K >observations on COE and VMS apps availability are spot-on. Plus they are a,K >refreshing change from some of the bloviation that makes its way into this/ >hallowed forum. >  >>- >> In article <3AB202BC.D82E2174@uk.sun.com>,FD >> andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote what he wrote...  = Whilst *not* wearing a short skirt and *not* waving pom-poms..   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----  Version: N/A  @ iQEVAwUBOrKa8sriC3SGiziTAQFDqQgAqzHAR5MTOnW8YO9oEpWFL8EYxNmNDVmR@ 2oV2IUPSw0lqtJIeboYUoMt6o16CQchweoJWcPLo63UR9UD+iEd2Xt8oA2fSw1hw@ y6OKv3QOqyLPl2mhxjyeHvtn5N9fk2l5oeCcVMT1Z5q8P8xnHOcGd2+I8y7LdKX9@ rQnB8AjihesS6+JcaiycVvrMHoKb1TqwUXPvmcygUMkSS1PGIxJ4O1TAQDgEF+oC@ m9ukklDVSprEnR+d415zHmjaMympesTpV0Ejb3+UFerYwOG5gYv0cv22eXdcCeYB8 OBTeGKwdF76d9qsymuU3Qs5j4+AFMhnS5fE5PT3nIxDrnI3rUcSv6A== =1rCsx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----D   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Mar 2001 09:56:23 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.412538.killspam.015a (Wayne Sewell)n( Subject: RE: OpenVMS Educational Program. Message-ID: <aaAUxb7M7RFJ@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  z In article <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0BDD5489@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>, Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> writes: >> -----Original Message-----o3 >> From: Christof Brass [mailto:brass@infopuls.com]n > A >> The worst thing about these brilliant people in the VMS group i= >> is that they probably will succeed and we have the shitty  = >> UNIX in VMS whithout chance to escape from it. Will I use p@ >> Windoze than to avoid UNIX shit? Will I have to write my own @ >> OS? I really don't know. If I expect VMS engineering to fail ! >> I wouldn't have said anything.: > M > Oh, man -- this part really struck me.  Would you really rather use windowscN > than unix? :)  In my experience, windows is several times less reliable thanK > unix, and as far as the design aspect you're so fond of, I can assure youTN > there's none of that in windows. (Well, maybe very little in windows nt, butK > no more than unix has) I can only conclude that you must be on crack from ! > this paragraph. (No offense...)A  L I hate eunuchs as much as anybody, but even I would prefer it to billy shit.     -- eO ===============================================================================nM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxe: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)9O ===============================================================================9O Dean Wormer to Flounder: "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life.":   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:22:48 GMTh" From: Rob Komar <rkomar@telus.net>( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Educational Program, Message-ID: <vo9v89.141.ln@robpc1.telus.net>  * Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote: > Rob Komar wrote: >> 0K >> Companies like IBM and SGI support Linux because it offers them a way ofwH >> battling MicroSoft.  They recognize that small companies that upgradeJ >> when they grow prefer to stay with systems that they are familiar with.F >> Linux and the free BSD unices are popular among the small companiesL >> because they are cheap and because there are many young (and, thus, cheapL >> to employ) people who are familiar enough with them.  When the time comesF >> for a larger and more mature system, many of them choose one of theL >> proprietary Unix systems.  Sun even offers support for running Linux appsJ >> under Solaris to make migration easier.  So, where Linux was originallyH >> perceived as a threat against the proprietary Unices, it has now beenI >> recognized to be an important driving force behind the rejuvenation of-! >> the entire Unix server market., >> aF >> I hope that those dead set against porting VMS to PC hardware or toE >> porting whiz-bang Windows/Unix software to VMS reconsider in light1E >> of the above (or have a completely different plan for rejuvenatingn >> VMS market share).r >>  
 >> Cheers, >> Rob Komar  > Great analysis! But I still don't see the business case as long as VMS and Alpha is that much expansive compared to the pure UNIX solution. VMS will not be the entry level as you pointed out indirectly. So when will VMS come in? I doubt there will be a moment during a company's growing where VMS with UNIX apps (note: quickshot ported and thus less stable than on its original habitat) will have a chance to come in. Do you see clearly the necessity of such a company to choose VMS at any time of their lifet_ ime1 > for running UNIX apps?  M As long as VMS isn't an entry level choice, then I agree with you in all thatEK you imply in your questions, ie., that Unix apps in VMS probably won't helpOH sell VMS systems to people who have never used them before.  But that isM why I argue that there should be a cheap version of VMS that will run on PCs;3J it is needed to familiarize small companies and young computer enthusiastsP (neither of which have much money) with VMS.  I (and many others in this thread)L also argue that the cool apps are required to attract the young enthusiasts.K Neither cheap VMS nor cool apps are sufficient by themselves to turn thingsG0 around for VMS.  I think that both are required.   Cheers, 	 Rob KomarA   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:55:46 +0100g> From: "Jean-Francois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>. Subject: Re: Pathworks Client and Windows 2000. Message-ID: <98v54g$9du$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>  E You could move some of your PW client licenses in group SERVER_BASED.g0 then you don not deed any PW component on the PC  # Coridalement (from a W2K PW client)g Jean-Franois Marchalg X9000 - LYON (FR)H    H "Dominic Olivastro" <DOlivastro@ChiResearch.com> a crit dans le message! news: g9ts6.104$xh6.483@client...gJ > We just purchased some PC's running Win 2000.  The PW Client software weJ > have is Version 7.1A.  This won't install on the Win 2000 machines.  The/ > installation says it can not find NetCFG.dll.h >vG > Do I need to move up to a newer version on PW Client?  Is Compaq evenN5 > supporting Win 2000?  What has everybody else done?A >p > TIAu > DOMt >t >2 > -- > Dominic OlivastroA > CHI Research, IncD > 10 White Horse PikeA > Haddon Heights, NJ 08035 >Q > Phone:  1-856-546-0600 > Fax:       1-856-546-9633D' > mailto:    DOlivastro@ChiResearch.com0 >k >A   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:29:59 -05009- From: "Island Computers" <sales@islandco.com>D% Subject: Question about DS10 600Mhz ?A/ Message-ID: <tb70jh8vcvs680@corp.supernews.com>E   Wanna buy one ?E  & www.islandco.com   specials this month sales@islandco.com   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Mar 2001 11:40:51 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>6 Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area6 Message-ID: <20010317114051.29442.qmail@nym.alias.net>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  K On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl> wrote:A >Paul Repacholi wrote: >> p& >> Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes: >>  I >> > If somebody in this meeting would be prepared to kidnap him, arrangekH >> > for some compromising pictures to be taken with him and a couple of0 >> > sheep, then help us blackmail him...... ;-) >> 13 >> Where are you going to get that sort of sheep...k >y >http://www.muttonbone.com/U >L >OswaldE  & I can lend you a nice ski mask Oswald.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----w Version: N/A  @ iQEVAwUBOrKa8sriC3SGiziTAQEYhQf/fI2E7QRcI1zQNeTfC9tqmr4qItfb8qbS@ qx1QVFJLmlJGJL8SxOcjddYBNCq0keUnoI/RQYlFDObvQnd2UFEir0LNwJGUbrW+@ PBj9gSlV3UqRL5iS4BL1LXa7fIhqy1T88TSEOiUOHRFazfjHXDTvpa9PFEIOtzE2@ ntbdyHGAapbkoHnM8Ow+SkB5aHraXaOEipEqXQHbBBFixUl6PeYodJ5wZDb0GAek@ zgcDJiI6B2LUKkUSLMDdpnjeVrr8igu6Ht1uV22GwbeE/DuvPM4CtiknkPIQebe78 YkVgmuHWWXmI3GwKvs7QiQQk7V29rwopGi6kejFvuf9TQSPA/VqZrw== =jOG9a -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----l   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:58:23 -0500v' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>b, Subject: Re: The Chris and Bill show. Act II( Message-ID: <9904na$8e1$1@pyrite.mv.net>  7 Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:873dcd9ldo.fsf@prep.synonet.com...a   ...q  I > That is for the good reason that all except for UDF *are* records! DontsL > forget that the LF, or CR, or CRLF, or count prefix are record delimiters.F > If you read in a file with stmlf attribs, and no cariage control you shouldJ > never see a LF in you input. Alas, if your data has O12 in it, that will > be eaten as well.y >sH > One of the things RSX did right, and VMS broke. Like sequence numbers, > any one remember them?  I That's a good explanation of what I remember, but, though I spent quite apL bit of time working with the VMS developers trying to get streams of variousK types to work 'right', I never knew exactly how everything turned out.  Did K the VMS implementation wind up straying from what we did on RSX, and if so,e how?   - bill   >m > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.cB >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Mar 2001 07:41:16 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.412538.killspam.015a (Wayne Sewell) 7 Subject: Re: the Northeast Digital Systems Ebay Follies-. Message-ID: <khQ4rCkljWhr@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  l In article <Refs6.3791$vc.2036801@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>, "John Fredrickson" <jafred@bellatlantic.net> writes: > Wayne, > L > You are quite correct. I myself have participated in several eBay auctionsI > for Alphas offered by Northwest and although I was the high bidder in aeL > couple of cases, I never reached the reserve price. The maret wants to buy( > these machines for no more than $500.   M I would go higher than that, as would other people, just not as high as these  guys want.    & >Northwest wants to sell them on theirK > web site for about $1800+. They are just using eBay as a free advertisingo	 > source.: >   M Well, not free, since they still have to pay the fee for each of those failednM auctions, but cheap when compared to regular advertising.  On the other hand, N they are generating bad will.  I'm sure I'm not the only person annoyed that I; have wasted my time and effort on their pointless auctions.m  J I'm not sure if using ebay as an advertising medium makes sense if you areL charging the full market price for everything.   In this scenario, NortheastJ Digital is expecting people to see their name in the auction and call themN directly to pay the full market price.   (As a side note, I don't see why theyK have to stuff *all* of their machines into ebay auctions.  Just one of each08 type would be sufficient for advertisement purposes.)     I People who are using ebay do not necessarily *want* to pay market price. tO That's the whole *point* of an auction, to get something for *less* than marketdI price.  People who are willing to pay market price would probably go to a O dealer in the first place and not bother with ebay.  Auctions are a hassle, andiO not worth the effort unless you gain something, such as a lower price.  So mostoK of the people who are willing to pay market price would never see the bogus  auction.    L Fortunately, the Northeast auction titles have a recognizable format, so youO don't actually have to call up the auction page to reject it.  With Island, you N don't know it's them until you call up the page.  When I see "islandco", I hitK the back button so fast the mouse gets a burn from the pad.  Fortunately, IEH really haven't seen much of them in ebay lately.  Hopefully the ebay-as-M advertisement-only  mechanism wasn't working for them and with luck Northeastr will eventually drop it too.   Waynei -- kO ===============================================================================.M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxt: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)aO ===============================================================================fO Dean Wormer to Flounder: "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:40:26 -0500f- From: "Island Computers" <sales@islandco.com>r7 Subject: Re: the Northeast Digital Systems Ebay Folliesl/ Message-ID: <tb7174gs94e723@corp.supernews.com>y   Actually  L The Ebay thing was working quite well for us - but WE DID notify people whenG bidding that the price was $xxxx - if you remember - the pictures had a  description and a price on themeI We have been so busy with REAL business, and our prices are in check with L the Auction-end pricing, that we have not been able to keep up with the Ebay sales...K That's not to say we are not going to do it again - now that we accept Visa G and Mastercard, a lot of people with whom we couldn't do business, willc! probably come forth and purchase. L Normally our client base is Educational and Scientific -people that purchaseJ with PO's and can't purhase via auction ;  Hobbyist users, as I am sure weB all agree, are not concerned with extended warranties, maintenanceF eligibility etc. as long as it works - so auctioning off our cheap,not< perfect condition systems via the Ebay outlet is a definite.  H What I don't understand though, is that some people pay more for an EbayI selling item than by just going to a/our website and purchasing - must beA	 the game.    DT   sales@islandco.comJ "Wayne Sewell" <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.412538.killspam.015a> wrote in message( news:khQ4rCkljWhr@tachxxsoftxxconsult...L | In article <Refs6.3791$vc.2036801@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>, "John Fredrickson"! <jafred@bellatlantic.net> writes:j
 | > Wayne, | >jE | > You are quite correct. I myself have participated in several eBayc auctionsK | > for Alphas offered by Northwest and although I was the high bidder in a-J | > couple of cases, I never reached the reserve price. The maret wants to buyo) | > these machines for no more than $500.> |uI | I would go higher than that, as would other people, just not as high asm these. | guys want. |-( | >Northwest wants to sell them on theirA | > web site for about $1800+. They are just using eBay as a free  advertising> | > source.l | >, |tH | Well, not free, since they still have to pay the fee for each of those failedI | auctions, but cheap when compared to regular advertising.  On the otheri hand,WI | they are generating bad will.  I'm sure I'm not the only person annoyed  that I= | have wasted my time and effort on their pointless auctions.o | L | I'm not sure if using ebay as an advertising medium makes sense if you areD | charging the full market price for everything.   In this scenario,	 NortheastsL | Digital is expecting people to see their name in the auction and call themK | directly to pay the full market price.   (As a side note, I don't see whyn theyH | have to stuff *all* of their machines into ebay auctions.  Just one of each7 | type would be sufficient for advertisement purposes.)- | J | People who are using ebay do not necessarily *want* to pay market price.J | That's the whole *point* of an auction, to get something for *less* than marketK | price.  People who are willing to pay market price would probably go to ayE | dealer in the first place and not bother with ebay.  Auctions are aY hassle, and5L | not worth the effort unless you gain something, such as a lower price.  So mostG | of the people who are willing to pay market price would never see thee bogusr
 | auction. |- |0J | Fortunately, the Northeast auction titles have a recognizable format, so youaE | don't actually have to call up the auction page to reject it.  With  Island, youPL | don't know it's them until you call up the page.  When I see "islandco", I hitiK | the back button so fast the mouse gets a burn from the pad.  Fortunately,n I:J | really haven't seen much of them in ebay lately.  Hopefully the ebay-as-E | advertisement-only  mechanism wasn't working for them and with luck 	 Northeast  | will eventually drop it too. |r | WayneV | -- |iL ============================================================================ ===r: | Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738 wayne@tachysoft.xxxo: | http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.htmlH | change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot :-)  |lL ============================================================================ ===UJ | Dean Wormer to Flounder: "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:58:01 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>7 Subject: Re: the Northeast Digital Systems Ebay FolliesS6 Message-ID: <ZsOs6.11763$a3.29285@typhoon.aracnet.com>  , Island Computers <sales@islandco.com> wrote:J > What I don't understand though, is that some people pay more for an EbayK > selling item than by just going to a/our website and purchasing - must be  > the game.f  I My theory has been that it's easy to find the stuff on eBay, but it takesPL effort to find it elsewhere.  I try to make sure I know what various dealersF are charging for stuff before I consider getting anything on eBay.  OfG course I'd also rather buy a complete system from a dealer, than off ofC eBay.    				Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:37:30 -0600 0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>% Subject: RE: VPM$SERVER ERROR MESSAGEIC Message-ID: <MOEAJKGGEIMGCCPEPJBHIENHDLAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>t  L Does that error appear all day long or only when invoking monitor cluster or a command like it?   absn   -----Original Message-----6 From: Gloria Griffith [mailto:qusgagh@am1.ericsson.se]' Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 12:16 AMw To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come% Subject: Re: VPM$SERVER ERROR MESSAGEs     Yes, and it looks like this:   $ install list vpm/fulle  ) DISK$ALPHASYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE>.EXEe)    VPM;1            Open Hdr          Prvl&         Entry access count         = 0*         Current / Maximum shared   = 1 / 0>         Privileges = SYSNAM PSWAPM ALTPRI TMPMBX NETMBX SYSPRV>         Authorized = SYSNAM PSWAPM ALTPRI TMPMBX NETMBX SYSPRV  A So do I just need to add SETPRV to the privileges?  Can I do that=F without a whole new install command?  Would you please send me how you+ think it should be installed? (the command)t  C Thanks for your response....I am here because one of my sites had aaF power loss and I had to check out my systems.  What is your excuse for working so late? Love your job?=     Paul Repacholi wrote:9  3 > Gloria Griffith <qusgagh@am1.ericsson.se> writes:o >y+ > > Old privileges:           TMPMBX,NETMBX-$ > > Privileges missing:       SETPRV >25 > Is VPM installed with the correct privs? Or at all?R >O > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.aB >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:36:42 -0600t7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>x* Subject: Re: [Q] skip [vms$common] parsing, Message-ID: <3AB3AEBA.8187C40@earthlink.net>   Martin Vorlaender wrote: > 8 > David J. Dachtera (djesys.nospam@earthlink.net) wrote:H > > there is currently no easy way to find all the aliases for any file. >  > $ DEFINE DFU$NOSMG 1 > $ MCR DFUp > DFU> dir/alias sys$sysdevice:n > [snip]  H Well, that locates all aliases on a device, and can be useful. Just scanE a device for all aliases, directing SYS$OUTPUT to a file. Then SEARCHrE that for the name of the file for which you want to find all aliases.gG Perhaps not as simple as one might like, and not very efficient, but at> least possible.t  < DFU is, of course, freeware, does not ship with OVMS, and isA unsupported. That said, it would be nice if it shipped with OVMS,>* perhaps somewhere in the SYS$EXAMPLES tree# (SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.UNSUPPORTED]?).e  F What we need, however, is some simple, efficient way to locate for anyG individual file, all aliases. Neither ODS-2 nor ODS-5 (to my knowledge)sE provide for any pointers to a chain of aliases or any other mechanism C that allows for locating aliases on a per-file basis, as opposed toe, scanning an entire device's ODS file system.   -- S David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.s   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.152 ************************