1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 25 Mar 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 167       Contents: "green bar" in DCPS G Re: "New Technologies", I must have been hallucinating all these years! - Re: BASIC 1.4 install causing a startup error % Re: Can this be done through lexicals ! DS20 + RA7000 Packages This month  dsn  Keep Your PC Clean  1586= Re: Keeping userids and passwords synchronize across 4 Alphas = Re: Keeping userids and passwords synchronize across 4 Alphas  Need SYBASE expertise on VMS, Re: Problem Booting Installed VMS 7.2 System* Problem installing OpenVMS 7.2 on a Multia. Re: Problem installing OpenVMS 7.2 on a Multia. Re: Problem installing OpenVMS 7.2 on a Multia Re: Support of old systems= Re: VMS COE docs online (was POSIX Streams, File Permissions) ( Will the VIOC be fixed in VMS Alpha 7.3? [Q] Need Help on Backup Script  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:30:39 -0500 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: "green bar" in DCPS7 Message-ID: <200103250030_MC2-CA02-4518@compuserve.com>   F         It's the file extension!  ISTR that there is a table in a file> (SYS$LIBRARY?) that determines which extensions get "graybar".    ) Message text written by "Webb, William W" ) >Sometimes our Printserver 32 prints with ' line numbering and shaded bars that are  reminiscent of green bar paper.   ' This seems to occur most often when the + parameter /PARAM=3D(SIDES=3D2) is used, but  it's by no means consistent.  ' Does anybody know exactly how this gets  triggered?<    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:10:16 GMT & From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com>P Subject: Re: "New Technologies", I must have been hallucinating all these years!< Message-ID: <cX8v6.8875$086.1315093@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>  . And apparently to the Wall Street Journal too!  8 "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@wpi.edu> wrote in messageB news:FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D0DF083@petra.admin.wpi.edu... They are to Apple!   > -----Original Message-----F > From: Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- [mailto:system@SendSpamHere.ORG]( > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 7:44 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com G > Subject: "New Technologies", I must have been hallucinating all these  > years! >  > = > Here's a excerpt from the WSJ about new Apple O/S features:  > < >      Two new technologies help applications run smoother--< >      preemptive multitasking, which prioritizes processing= >      power, and protected memory, which lets other programs ) >      run even when another has crashed.  >  > D > Preemptive multitasking and protected memory are new technologies? >  > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > ? > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are  > named after them.  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 04:13:51 GMT 0 From: John Santos <john.santos@post.harvard.edu>6 Subject: Re: BASIC 1.4 install causing a startup error> Message-ID: <MPG.15273b4db7a223a798968b@news.bellatlantic.net>  G In article <u0Gjy8GtAHA.351@cpmsnbbsa07>, cstranslations@email.msn.com   says...  > : > "Richard Jordan" <rjordan@mars.mcs.net> wrote in message/ > news:S0Ru6.2613$JN5.78384@news.goodnet.com... L > > We have a new DS10 being configured for a customer.  600MHz, 256MB, dualH > > 9GB drives on a KZPBA controller, etc.  We have a personal use BASICG > > license  assigned to the development account name (not SYSTEM), and G > > used SYSTEM to install BASIC 1.4 from the March 2001 condist.  Full K > > privs were enabled, andd there were no errors on install except for the C > > IVP (which failed because SYSTEM is not licensed to use BASIC).  > > G > > Since that install, we get the following error very early in system 
 > startup: > > D > >  %INSTALL-I-NONSHRADR, image installed ignoring '/SHARE=ADDRESS'< > >      DISK$ALPHASYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>DEC$BASRTL.EXEM > >  -INSTALL-E-NOTSHRSYMVEC, symbol vector is not in NONSHRADR image section  > M > I have a (hobbyist system) 200 4/233 running OpenVMS 7.2-1 and (among other L > things) have the BASIC 1.4 compiler installed on it (I believe I pulled itM > off the 12/2000 distribution). I get the same message every time I boot the  > system...   G I do too, on 10 different systems, all with VMS V7.2-1 and BASIC 1.4.   9 Many different hardware models.  It seems to be harmless.   @ At one point, I came across something that implied it was due toC installing an ECO after BASIC that caused a reversion in DEC$BASRTL ? (replaced a new version with an old version).  I think this is  G incorrect, but may have applied to BASIC V1.3.  Anyway, the recommended B cure was to re-install BASIC V1.4 (which is quite a bit newer thanC VMS V7.2-1), but that didn't have any effect.  I figure they'll fix 
 it in V1.5...    > K > As a hobbyist system "support" doesn't really exist. I did find something K > (and I want to say that it was in the install manual on the CD along with K > the BASIC kit) that discussed this problem. Were ever it was that I found L > the information - I seem to remember the explanation being something alongD > the lines of this particular version of the compiler wasn't "builtM > correctly" (reading this warmed my heart). There was also a disclaimer that < > there is no need to worry about this particular message...  F I have the same vague memories, but since it works, I haven't pursued  it.    > H > ...I don't remember the "order that I built the system." Good, bad, orL > otherwise there weren't any autogens after I installed the BASIC compiler.J > At some subsequent point I did autogen it after which point the compilerF > refused to run (don't remember the exact error message) and I had toJ > reinstall it. I've been toying with the idea of another autogen recentlyA > (and memories of the last go round are in the back of my head).   C I don't think autogen should have any affect on the BASIC compiler  A (except to make it run better if your system was badly mistuned.) C Maybe the feedback was bogus and you reduced global pages or global E sections too much and BASIC couldn't be installed?  I think it should C still run, just slower to activate and no code-sharing of the RTL's 
 and compiler.   N > All of this is somewhat foggy. I did have the 2nd 7.3 field test on there atM > one point (hoping it would correct problems in the SET PRINTER command that J > exist it 7.2-1 - no such luck). This "fogginess" may have me rememberingK > incorrectly what it was that broke the installation of the BASIC compiler M > (autogen or the 7.3 field test) so take all of this with a grain of salt...   F I think one of the 7.2-1 ECO's fixed SET PRINTER, but SHOW PRINTER is B still broken. (I could have that backwards.)  I can't believe theyG haven't fixed it in 7.3.  Usually this kind of problem is just that the F .CLD that the SET PRINTER utility was built with is different from theA one in the DCLTABLES (one was updated but not the other), and re- # compiling everything should fix it.    > Joe  >  >  >    --   John Santos    ------------------------------   Date: 24 Mar 2001 12:58:19 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.412538.killspam.015a (Wayne Sewell) . Subject: Re: Can this be done through lexicals. Message-ID: <FZFzeFREPdmJ@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  U In article <3AB9BD2E.D6860E60@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes: 3 > 1. [section for info-vax and the c.o.v newsgroup]  > M > Actually this is not an anwser (because I didn't find it) but fyi just some ) > bizzare tape related data I discovered:  >  > The 7.2-1 New features manual C > http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/721final/6614/6614pro_002.html K > provides information on the new MT3_DENSITY item for the f$getdvi lexical  > function:  >  > F$GETDVI lexical function 8 > The following item codes have been added to F$GETDVI: 2 > Item           Return Type  Information ReturnedT > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I > MT3_DENSITY    String       Current density of the device (tapes only)  J > MT3_SUPPORTED  String       TRUE or FALSE to indicate whether the deviceB > supports densities defined in the MT3DEF (for Alpha tapes only)  > = > Unfortunately(?) the result is not the one we could expect:  > * > GD2079> a=f$getdvi("mkc0","mt3_density") > GD2079> sh symb a ( >   A = "(DENSITY=DEFAULT,NOCOMPACTION)" > J > unless we are very familiar with the default values of all tape devices. >   M Well, the problem is getdvi basically returns the value stored in the UCB and J there actually is a density value called MT3$K_DEFAULT.  When you set thisJ value, it means "use whatever the default for this particular device is." L There's also MT3$K_NO_COMP and MT3$K_COMP, which would mean the uncompressedM and compressed default density respectively.  I would assume MT3$K_NO_COMP is  equivalent to MT3$K_DEFAULT.    F f$getdvi is basically a dcl jacket for sys$getdvi and the binary valueN corresponding to MT3$K_DEFAULT (0) is what the system service would return forK the item code DVI$_MT3_DENSITY.  In order to do what you want, the f$getdvi J lexical would also have to look at the device type and consult an internalO table of device default densities, which would of course have to be updated for K new tape device types.  Not saying it couldn't be done, just explaining why * they didn't do it in the first cut of MT3.    N I got more acquainted with MT3 than I planned, because tapesys and most of the. other sp32 products have to deal with it.  :-)     Wayne    --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== O Dean Wormer to Flounder: "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:18:29 -0500 , From: "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>* Subject: DS20 + RA7000 Packages This month/ Message-ID: <tbqonvdnbs8dc7@news.supernews.com>   : http://www.islandco.com/specials/packaged_systems/menu.htm   -  Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory Street  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax:912 201 0096 sales@islandco.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:34:06 -0500 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: dsn7 Message-ID: <200103250034_MC2-CA02-4520@compuserve.com>   H         It's the number we all know best, if we don't have it programmed* into an autodial button on our telephones!  '         In the U.S. it's 1-800-354-9000   H         It's the first programmable button on my phones at both work and	 home. :-)     $ Message text written by "john nixon"A >I tried to download an ECO over DSN, but I got an error message:   , %DSN-E-CSCNOREC, requested record not found,  J I wasn't sure exactly which record wasn't found, so I sent the dsn custom= erF assistance desk (dsn%cad) a mail message asking for help.  The message$ bounced due to :     you guessed it?  + %DSN-E-CSCNOREC, requested record not found   G I think I can remember my access number, but I can't remember the phone ) number to call.  Can anyone help me here?   H By the way, I am trying to find all ECOs that I need prior to installingE Fibre Channel on my VMS 7.2-1 GS140.  I have most of the ECOs already J applied, but I never installed any fibre channel ECOs.  I sent in a reque= stJ to DSN a few weeks ago asking for advice on which ECOs to apply in advanc= e H of adding fibre channel, but the answer said none specifically for fibreJ channel, but he recommended   vms72_hardware_v0100  (which I think has be= enF put on hold, but I dont think we need anyway.  Can anyone help me with these 
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   U vwmdxscmosrbcukzbpjofuzcxjnjwgsozwzclvqsbogfchotbsngtjmfwjqjlrbltjixqdejresvzhlqzfzfs    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2001 02:59:20 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>F Subject: Re: Keeping userids and passwords synchronize across 4 Alphas- Message-ID: <874rwjhu2f.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   & Norman Woo <nwoo@videotron.ca> writes:  C > We're faced with a challenge of keeping the userids and passwords B > synchronize across 4 Alphas DS20Es running OpenVMS 7.1-2.  These ...  Not in a cluster I assume.  1 > We cannot user proxies due to security issues.    C Do you meant DECnet proxys? If you are not, you are opening a whole C load of potentioal security holes... And making everyones life more ( difficult, a security problem in itself.  @ To get around the syncing problem, you could use Kerberos. It is part of DCE.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2001 21:05:33 +0100) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Adam Maulis) F Subject: Re: Keeping userids and passwords synchronize across 4 Alphas! Message-ID: <Xb5$q26tViGI@ludens>   _ In article <lilpbtg3iimgvbjk91ugs6gfhfjh382qvu@4ax.com>, Norman Woo <nwoo@videotron.ca> writes: 
 > Hi folks > C > We're faced with a challenge of keeping the userids and passwords B > synchronize across 4 Alphas DS20Es running OpenVMS 7.1-2.  TheseG > Alphas are physically located in different locations.  Users are able C > to access any one of these 4.   If they change their passwords on H > mahcine, this password should be updated on the other 3.  Likewise, ifD > the system administrator adds/modify/deletes a userid, this should0 > also be reflected across the other 3 machines.    : see Compaq DCE 3.0 (distributed computing enviroment) SPD.     > 1 > We cannot user proxies due to security issues.    ' wich type of proxyes and wich security?      >  > Thanks in advance.    I Adam Maulis              maulis@ludens elte hu         VMS system manager H  .......................................................................H  VMS Competence Center                             VMS Szakertoi KozpontH  Eotvos Lorand University                  Eotvos Lorand TudomanyegyetemH  Budapest, Hungary                                              BudapestH  =======================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:50:02 +0000 2 From: Jean Norton <donotreply@interbulletin.bogus>% Subject: Need SYBASE expertise on VMS 1 Message-ID: <3ABCEC5A.4E512A40@interbulletin.com>    Anyone know a good SYBASE on OpenVMS expert to help me with a security audit?  We have the OpenVMS part taken care of, but I need someone that knows all the security loopholes in SYBASE to help me on a very short assignment.   Jean Norton  jean@staffing.comC Sysnet Staffing, Inc.n
 Austin, TX/ _______________________________________________g; Submitted via WebNewsReader of http://www.interbulletin.comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:23:54 -0500o2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)5 Subject: Re: Problem Booting Installed VMS 7.2 SystemeL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2403011423550001@user-2ivebj5.dialup.mindspring.com>  > In article <tbpjkf6k4623a0@news.supernews.com>, "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote:   > >>> set boot_osflags 0,0 > >>> set os_type OpenVMS *e  I I don't think the DEC 3000 console has the OS_TYPE environment variable.    It seems to work fine without it   -- i Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 03:54:10 GMT-3 From: "David M. Heller" <dheller1@rochester.rr.com> 3 Subject: Problem installing OpenVMS 7.2 on a Multia<0 Message-ID: <3ABD6C80.22D11878@rochester.rr.com>   Hi All,-  E Hoping someone can help, Newbie to VMS. When booting CD by typing the G following >>>boot -flags 0,0 dka400 It goes as far as where the consoleeD echos "jumping to bootstrap code" And then it just stops and goes noC further. The firmware is version BL3 X3.5-72 Nov 30 1994. Please ccm$ replies to dheller1@rochester.rr.com   Thanks in advancep   --  4 David Heller                                         dheller1@rochester.rr.comd http://www.mbcrep.com/?47353  ) http://teraformahealth.com/tfh/57601.htmlg   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 04:40:49 GMT $ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>7 Subject: Re: Problem installing OpenVMS 7.2 on a Multiam) Message-ID: <3ABD76FF.B97DCCC3@wi.rr.com>!  A You can't just boot the 7.2 CD on your Multia.  There is a little 9 "wedge" file that has to be included in the boot process.vF I think it was called a "foreign boot" (but my memory could be wrong).9 Check the VMS FAQ for details on how to get VMS to run on = the Multia.  I had 7.2 running on my Multia a while back.  ItA wasn't very hard to do.S  
 -Scott :^)   "David M. Heller" wrote:  	 > Hi All,  >oG > Hoping someone can help, Newbie to VMS. When booting CD by typing the I > following >>>boot -flags 0,0 dka400 It goes as far as where the console F > echos "jumping to bootstrap code" And then it just stops and goes noE > further. The firmware is version BL3 X3.5-72 Nov 30 1994. Please cci& > replies to dheller1@rochester.rr.com >  > Thanks in advanceh >p > -- > David Heller > dheller1@rochester.rr.com  > http://www.mbcrep.com/?47353+ > http://teraformahealth.com/tfh/57601.html?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:08:06 -0700a% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>p7 Subject: Re: Problem installing OpenVMS 7.2 on a MultiafA Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010324220730.02332600@ntbsod.psccos.com>a  G You have to read the notes in the FAQ very carefully.  You need to havejB a diskette with the Multia VMS support files on it to boot the 7.2 CD.3  - At 08:54 PM 3/24/2001, David M. Heller wrote:t   >Hi All, >HF >Hoping someone can help, Newbie to VMS. When booting CD by typing theH >following >>>boot -flags 0,0 dka400 It goes as far as where the consoleE >echos "jumping to bootstrap code" And then it just stops and goes nooD >further. The firmware is version BL3 X3.5-72 Nov 30 1994. Please cc% >replies to dheller1@rochester.rr.com  >  >Thanks in advance >e >--l
 >David Hellern >dheller1@rochester.rr.com >http://www.mbcrep.com/?473534* >http://teraformahealth.com/tfh/57601.html   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+hI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |tI | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  | I | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" | I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |OI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:06:48 -0500n2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)# Subject: Re: Support of old systems L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2403011406480001@user-2ivebj5.dialup.mindspring.com>  @ In article <VA.00000329.664e4a9e@sture.ch>, paul@sture.ch wrote:    L > Interesting. A comment in that Gartner report on VMS infers this was once H > formally supported, although I note that nowadays (V7.2-1), the Alpha I > CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM only contains options to add an _Alpha_ node to the h
 > cluster. > H > It _should_ be possible, although will take some research, as you say.  < http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/4477/4477pro.htmlP http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/4477/4477pro_020.html#cross_arch_boot  M As the manual says (still in VMS 7.2), cluster_config.com doesn't do this forlJ you.  It requires manual labor, but the docs explain it in general terms. , See the 2nd-to-last bullet in section 10.5.2  + This little section is kind of hidden away.w   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comb   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:01:43 -0600r1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>eF Subject: Re: VMS COE docs online (was POSIX Streams, File Permissions)' Message-ID: <3ABD2757.293BA58C@fsi.net>    Paul Sture wrote:t > G > In article <iiLu6.101$fB6.3581@news.cpqcorp.net>, Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsr6 > > From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)N > > Subject: RE: VMS COE docs online (was Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions)' > > Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:59:58 GMTo > >ha > > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEBECEAA.tom@kednos.com>, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes: J > > :LOOKUP=CASE_SENSITIVE would seem to make more sense, the other one is > > :nonsensical > >e? > >   DCL has some subtleties around four-character uniqueness.n > >e1 > Extract from SYS$STARTUP:DECEVENT$STARTUP.COM :b > R > $ SAY_CMD "$ SET PROCESS/PRIVLEDGE=(NOALL,DIAGNOSE,TMPMBX,NETMBX,SYSLCK,SYSPRV)"$ >                              ^^^^^  5 You might find the output of this entertaining, also:   ! $ SEARCH SYS$STARTUP:*.COM GETSYSa   -- o David J. DachteraT dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:50:46 GMTu$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>1 Subject: Will the VIOC be fixed in VMS Alpha 7.3?a) Message-ID: <3ABD4114.2150D591@wi.rr.com>f   Hi:m  E Currently, the size of the VIOC on VMS Alpha is fixed at VCC_MAXSIZE.iG I thought I read a while back that a future version of VMS was going to)> let the VIOC grow and shrink as the system needed memory (like the VIOC does on VMS VAX).  @ Is this fixed in VMS Alpha 7.3 or do I need to wait for a future version?   Thanks,f  
 -Scott :^)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:07:13 -0500s2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>' Subject: [Q] Need Help on Backup Scriptd7 Message-ID: <200103250107_MC2-CA02-4554@compuserve.com>o  G If any of the three BACKUP commands exits with an error, your procedures	 will exit E then and there!  The default, if you don't specify, is "ON ERROR THENcJ EXIT"!  The system disk has files that are more or less permanently open;=  E when you try to back them up you get a file access conflict.  Bye byee BACKUP!S  9 Put a SET NOON before you issue the first BACKUP command.D  J Adding /BLOCKSIZE=3D32256 to each BACKUP command will give you a performa= ncet	 increase.   J Changing the backup commands to use /IMAGE will give you a backup that yo= u-H can use to restore your system disk and have it bootable!!!!  The backupJ you are doing will not allow your to restore a bootable system disk!!!!!!= !!   I would rewrite all three as:i  2 $ BACKUP /IMAGE /IGNORE=3DINTERLOCK  /LOG DKAx:  -*         MKAxxx: /NOREWIND /LABEL=3DMYLABEL  J This has the dual virtues of doing the right kind of backup and of placin= gnJ the output qualifiers where they belong.  So far /REWIND and /LABEL seem = toJ work no matter where you put them but they are DOCUMENTED as output saves= etJ qualifiers.  If the code should, someday, enforce that, correctly written=  ' commands will still function correctly!M  * Message text written by "Ram Rajadhyaksha"J >I am attempting to make a backup script that will backup 3 volumes. When=  IJ commit it to batch (SUBMIT MYBACKUPSCRIPT.COM), it always fails after the=  E second volume for some reason. The first time was probably because iteH encounted an open file and I had the ON ERROR set to branch. Other times the - job simply terminates and I have no idea why.T  B Here's my script (drive names changed to protect the innocent :-):  * $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Starting Full Backup." $ SHOW TIMEe $ ALLOCATE MKAxxx: $ INIT MKAxxx: MYLABEL $ DEALLOCATE MKAxxx: $ !l $ ! Mount Tape $ !a $ MOUNT/FOR MKAxxx:wJ $ BACKUP/NOREWIND/LOG/LABEL=3DMYLABEL DKA1:[000000...]*.*;* MKAxxx:DKA1.S= AVJ $ BACKUP/NOREWIND/LOG/LABEL=3DMYLABEL DKA2:[000000...]*.*;* MKAxxx:DKA2.S= AVJ $ BACKUP/NOREWIND/LOG/LABEL=3DMYLABEL DKA3:[000000...]*.*;* MKAxxx:DKA3.S= AV $ DISMOUNT/UNLOAD MKAxxx:a@ $ SHOW TIME$OUTPUT "Full Backup Script Done. Check log to verify completeness." $ EXIT  J And the script terminates after the BACKUP command finishes on disk 2 at:=    1 BACKUP-S-COPIED, COPIED DKA2:[000000]VOLSET.SYS;1y  7 Disk 2 happens to be the live OpenVMS system disk, btw..     Second question:  J After this thing fails, the machine prints out the WHOLE log to the syste= m=J printer. When you backup 100000 files, this is not an environmentally hap= pyF thing. Is there a way to turn that damn feature off and have it simply# record everything to a log file???<    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.167 ************************