1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 26 Mar 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 170       Contents:G RE: "New Technologies", I must have been hallucinating all these	years! G Re: "New Technologies", I must have been hallucinating all these	years! G RE: "New Technologies", I must have been hallucinating all these	years! 9 $CREATE_USER_PROFILE argument USRPROLEN word or longword? = Re: $CREATE_USER_PROFILE argument USRPROLEN word or longword? ' Re: - OpenVMS ever to be on Intel chip? % Re: ALF and decserver 90M with telnet # Anyone recognize part # 30-48115-02 - Re: BASIC 1.4 install causing a startup error  CHAT Server/Client on VMS ? - Re: Communication to local PC ports from VMS.  Re: compaction "nable"?  Re: compaction "nabled"?9 Compaq's apparent destruction of DEC consultancy services  Dave Cutler and his art  Decadmire on ES40? DecEvent Re: DecEvent Re: DecEvent Re: dsn  Re: dsn  Re: dsn P Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS           EducationalP email failure port 113 email failure port 113 Re: email failure port 113 Re: email failure port 1138 FYI: NDS Authentication Services is coming to OpenVMS...< Re: FYI: NDS Authentication Services is coming to OpenVMS...% How to extract files with long names? ) Re: How to extract files with long names? # Re: Info on low level driver access # Re: Info on low level driver access * KGPSA-CA, firmware of the card, OpenVMS.... Re: KGPSA-CA, firmware of the card, OpenVMS.... RE: KGPSA-CA, firmware of the card, OpenVMS...1 lexical function F$FAO and directives !UL and !XL  MicroVax II problem  Re: MicroVax II problem  NSA and storage works? Re: NSA and storage works? Re: NSA and storage works? Re: NSA and storage works? NTP not follow DST Re: NTP not follow DST Re: NTP not follow DST Re: NTP not follow DST Re: NTP not follow DST Re: NTP not follow DST Re: NTP not follow DST/ Re: Open VMS Experience with Enterprise Storage # Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions # Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions # Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions  RE: Printing jpeg files on VMS) Q: How to append file (separate) in Mail? - Re: Q: How to append file (separate) in Mail?  Reading UDF CDs  RE: Reading UDF CDs  Source code for Fax receiving ! Re: Source code for Fax receiving  STARTNET problems  Re: STARTNET problems  Re: STARTNET problems % Strange message on boot with 7.3 EFT2 ) Re: Strange message on boot with 7.3 EFT2 ) Re: Strange message on boot with 7.3 EFT2  Re: Telnet Security  Re: Telnet Security  Test 123 Re: Upgrading to alphavms 7.2-1 ! Re: VMS source listings omittings ! Re: VMS source listings omittings ! Re: VMS source listings omittings / What is a 'code tree' in relation to MAXBOBMEM? ' Re: Where is the Alpha instruction set? , Re: Will the VIOC be fixed in VMS Alpha 7.3? Re: WINE and Emulation Re: [DCL] minute of the day  Re: [DCL] minute of the day  Re: [DCL] minute of the day  Re: [DCL] minute of the day   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:59:34 -0600 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> P Subject: RE: "New Technologies", I must have been hallucinating all these	years!L Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1C9A@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----@ > From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:system@SendSpamHere.ORG]  = > Here's a excerpt from the WSJ about new Apple O/S features:  > < >      Two new technologies help applications run smoother--< >      preemptive multitasking, which prioritizes processing= >      power, and protected memory, which lets other programs ) >      run even when another has crashed.   D > Preemptive multitasking and protected memory are new technologies?  K Ha! -- not even for apple. :) (To be fair, I'm a fan of apple more or less, + but whoever put that together has no idea.)   J Lisa had pre-emptive multitasking, and likely protected memory (though I'm not sure about that last).  K Of course, this is from the people who advertise their peesee as a "desktop D supercomputer" absolutely improperly.  (See starbridge systems for a1 "desktop supercomputer" that might actually be...  http://starbridgesystems.com/)   Regards,   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  '    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:25:28 -0500 & From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>P Subject: Re: "New Technologies", I must have been hallucinating all these	years!4 Message-ID: <4_Jv6.55$qO6.2809@wagner.videotron.net>  I I have seen a little bit of "new technology" this week end on my Win2000. I After installing my Office 97 suite (I never bought a newer version cause F this one fits my needs and it`s paid for) I received the message "someG Windows files were overwritten by this installation. Please insert your  Win2000 CD now".  & Great. The system can now heal itself.K Maybe M$ should think about preventing self-destabilizing and not allow any K program to mess with the OS files! I just hate Windoze architecture! You`ll ( never see that on good old reliable VMS.   --   Syltrem   http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem  E "Christopher Smith" <csmith@amdocs.com> a crit dans le message news: A 3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1C9A@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com...  > > -----Original Message-----B > > From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:system@SendSpamHere.ORG] > ? > > Here's a excerpt from the WSJ about new Apple O/S features:  > > > > >      Two new technologies help applications run smoother--> > >      preemptive multitasking, which prioritizes processing? > >      power, and protected memory, which lets other programs + > >      run even when another has crashed.  > F > > Preemptive multitasking and protected memory are new technologies? > G > Ha! -- not even for apple. :) (To be fair, I'm a fan of apple more or  less, - > but whoever put that together has no idea.)  > L > Lisa had pre-emptive multitasking, and likely protected memory (though I'm > not sure about that last). > D > Of course, this is from the people who advertise their peesee as a "desktopF > supercomputer" absolutely improperly.  (See starbridge systems for a3 > "desktop supercomputer" that might actually be...   > http://starbridgesystems.com/) > 
 > Regards, >  > Chris  > # > Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  > Amdocs - Champaign, IL >  > /usr/bin/perl -e 'A > print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  > '    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:39:39 -0600 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> P Subject: RE: "New Technologies", I must have been hallucinating all these	years!L Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1C9C@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message------ > From: Syltrem [mailto:syltrem@videotron.ca]   @ > I have seen a little bit of "new technology" this week end on 
 > my Win2000. > > After installing my Office 97 suite (I never bought a newer  > version cause H > this one fits my needs and it`s paid for) I received the message "some> > Windows files were overwritten by this installation. Please 
 > insert your  > Win2000 CD now".  ( > Great. The system can now heal itself.  E Well, to quote a friend of mine (the comment was originally on system F management practices, but it fits here too), that's kind of "putting a band-aid over a gaping wound."  @ > Maybe M$ should think about preventing self-destabilizing and  > not allow any 9 > program to mess with the OS files! I just hate Windoze   > architecture! You`ll* > never see that on good old reliable VMS.  I Well, VMS is smart enough not to assume that all shared images are in one F directory and try to load them brute-force style when some function is called for. :)  E When windows NT was designed originally, it was a step up (as windows H goes...).  These days it's regressing.  I think it will become DOS again eventually.    Regards,   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  '    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:53:20 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> B Subject: $CREATE_USER_PROFILE argument USRPROLEN word or longword?/ Message-ID: <3ABEE058.50DA2D77@wasd.vsm.com.au>   G There seems to be some confusion about the size of $CREATE_USER_PROFILE  argument USRPROLEN.   4 The online and hardcopy both outline this service as  =   Returns an encoded security profile for the specified user.         Format   E        SYS$CREATE_USER_PROFILE  usrnam, [itmlst], [flags], usrprolen, 3                                 usrprolen, [contxt]         C Prototype  @        int sys$create_user_profile  (void *usrnam, void *itmlst,F                                      unsigned int flags, void *usrpro,=                                      unsigned int *usrprolen, ;                                      unsigned int *contxt);   = BUT, the 'usrprolen' description goes something like this ...   	 usrprolen       OpenVMS usage:word      type:         word (unsigned)    access:       read/write     mechanism:    by reference C    Word to receive the full size of the security profile. On input, D    the usrprolen argument specifies the length of the buffer pointedC    to by the usrpro argument. The usrprolen argument is the address C    of a word to which $CREATE_USER_PROFILE writes the actual length D    of the security profile. If the caller specifies a usrpro address>    of 0, $CREATE_USER_PROFILE returns the anticipated size, inB    bytes, of the buffer needed to hold the user's security profile    in the usrprolen argument.   H Why does the C prototype have it as 'unsigned int *usrprolen'?  I know aH pointer is a pointer to whatever, but why then if it is word not have it as a pointer to short?   Word or longword?    TIA, Mark Daniel.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 09:34:34 +0200) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Adam Maulis) F Subject: Re: $CREATE_USER_PROFILE argument USRPROLEN word or longword?! Message-ID: <SciPnurjUP4d@ludens>   a In article <3ABEE058.50DA2D77@wasd.vsm.com.au>, Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> writes:  [...] J > Why does the C prototype have it as 'unsigned int *usrprolen'?  I know aJ > pointer is a pointer to whatever, but why then if it is word not have it > as a pointer to short? >  > Word or longword?   " from [V72.LOADSS.LIS]PROFILE.LIS;1  $     1       165 ! FORMAL PARAMETERS:     1       166 ! T     1       167 !   USERNAME        address of descriptor containing username to useW     1       168 !   ITEM_LIST       address of item list which modifies created profile 2     1       169 !   FLAGS           flags longwordD     1       170 !   TLV             address of buffer to receive TLVW     1       171 !   TLV_SIZE        TLV buffer size (in); actual size needed/used (out) H     1       172 !   CONTEXT         address of longword with UAI context       1       200     begin      2       201     map <     2       202         tlv             : ref block [,byte],<     2       203         username        : ref block [,byte],L     2       204         item_list       : ref blockvector[,itm$s_item,byte];     2       205     bind]     2       206         tlv_size    = .p_tlv_size;                      ! address of longword          >  > TIA, Mark Daniel.   M  user's guide -> programmer's guide -> reference guide -> source listings :-)     I Adam Maulis              maulis@ludens elte hu         VMS system manager H  .......................................................................H  VMS Competence Center                             VMS Szakertoi KozpontH  Eotvos Lorand University                  Eotvos Lorand TudomanyegyetemH  Budapest, Hungary                                              BudapestH  =======================================================================   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:10:33 GMT . From: ove.axelsson@capgemini.se (Ove Axelsson)0 Subject: Re: - OpenVMS ever to be on Intel chip?1 Message-ID: <3abf4d83.30537407@news.capgemini.se>    Try http://www.free-vms.org 	 And read:   ! CHARON-VAX Hobbyist release notes    TERMS OF USE  D The copyright of this hobbyist edition of the CHARON-VAX emulator is the C property of Software Resources International. You are authorized to 
 download, = use and freely copy this software without charge for PRIVATE,  NON-COMMERCIAL  B USE provided that the trademark acknowledgement is affixed to each	 copy and  + the content of the software is not altered.   C Software Resources International neither makes representations that  the use C of CHARON-VAX will not infringe on existing or future patent rights 	 nor will  B it provide guarantees and therefore disclaims liability concerning performance @ or reliability of the CHARON-VAX hobbyist software. You use this software at $ your own risk and/or responsibility.  # Hardware and Software Requirements:   F A personal computer running Windows 98, NT or 2000 with 160 MB of free disk space.   F CHARON-VAX is distributed as a compressed Zip file. Install CHARON-VAX by  5 running the setup.exe included in this distribution.    E CHARON-VAX can be run or un-installed from the entries that are added  to your  start menu.      Release 10 November 2000( ----------------------------------------  3 The following additions and changes have been made:    E Date limit change; this release is now operational until May 1, 2001.   B This is a consolidated distribution replacing the separate W98 and WNT/2000D releases. Physical media access (CD or Floppy disk) does not work on W98 due B to design constraints. Media access is checked and a corresponding error , message is generated when running under W98.  E Some DVD drives will work as well, but only limited testing has taken  place.     Release 12 October 2000 ( ----------------------------------------  > Add halt_enable and power_up_mode switches to CPU device. Both	 represent A corresponding switches of CPU I/O insert module of real MicroVAX.  Please check: user manual for detailed description of these two options.  C To conform with future hobbyist versions on other platforms and the 
 CHARON-VAX> product strategy, the number of operational DHV11 lines in the hobbyist versions D is limited to 2 (line 0 and 1). the other lines are not operational.     Release 4 October 2000( ----------------------------------------  < Minor changes to direct CD/Floppy support and to CPU module.  C Change names of devices to make them consistent with other releases 	 which use E predefined hardware configuration and with names of controllers which  are   assigned to them by OpenVMS/VAX.     Release 18 August 2000( ----------------------------------------  # Windows NT 4.0 & Windows 2000 only:   D Add ability to read CD ROM directly from CHARON-VAX. CHARON-VAX will	 recognize B CD-ROM as DEC RRD45. Boot from CD is also supported. It means that
 CHARON-VAXF can boot directly from OpenVMS/VAX Hobbyist CD and install OpenVMS/VAX@ operating system onto empty disk image file which is supplied as
 additional component during installation.  > You should use CD-ROM drive letter and edit CHARON.INI file to	 configure D CHARON-VAX to read a CD. For example (provided that E: stands for CD drive):    set DUA file[3]="\\.\E:"  > Also supported direct access to floppy drives and floppy disks	 formatted @ under OpenVMS operating system, both VAX and Alpha. Floppy disks	 formatted E under CHARON-VAX are also readable and writable under OpenVMS/VAX and D OpenVMS/Alpha. Various floppy drives are recognized by CHARON-VAX as DEC RX23 or DEC RX26.   > You should use floppy drive letter and edit CHARON.INI file to	 configure E CHARON-VAX to read a floppy. For example (provided that A: stands for  a  floppy drive):   set DUA file[2]="\\.\A:"     Release 12 August 2000( ----------------------------------------  B Console port logic fixed. Using a telnet connection will no longer	 interfere < with the console port diagnostics and occasionaly generate a
 diagnostic error.  C Xon/Xoff synchronization now by default enabled on console port and  DHV11 = lines, which can be disabled if needed in the CHARON.INI filet9 (e.g. set OPA ttsync=no hsync=no, or set TXA ttsync[1]=noa
 hsync[1]=no).   C Cut and Paste into a telnet-connected terminal emulator window wills now workF properly provided that HOSTSYNC is enabled for VMS terminal device and forSD serial line in the CHARON.INI file (e.g. "set OPA hsync=yes" for theA CHARON.INI file and "set term/perm/hostsync/inq" for VMS terminale device).     Release 24 July 2000( ----------------------------------------   Floating point error fixed.      Beta 2 release 30 June 2000 ( ----------------------------------------  D This release of the CHARON-VAX hobby kit is distributed to a limited audienceF for preliminary testing. These tests should assess whether this kit is now  ready for general release.   Fixes applied:  : Errors related to modem status on lines assigned to DHV11.  @ We tested the Hyperterminal Private Edition from Hillgraeve as a consolemC terminal using a local telnet connction on Windows 2000. This works1 well and is  documented in the manual.A    # NOTE FOR SERIAL LINES CONFIGURATIONM  = If you are assigning the specific COMx: port with the SET TXA. LINE[0]="COMx:"fB instruction in the CHARON.INI file, the corresponding port must be available in< your Windows configuration. Otherwise the system will crash.    3 Copyright (C) 2000 Software Resources International  # 30-17-002h    B On 19 Mar 2001 14:59:04 -0500, Roland Roberts <roland@rlenter.com> wrote:  E >>>>>> "Terry" == Terry C Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:x > G >    Terry> Separately, there was a midnight project to port VMS to the G >    Terry> Mach kernel. The project was done (half-baked, actually) atoD >    Terry> Carnegie Mellon University IIRC.  Some of the incompleteF >    Terry> code--which may well have a few facets of Emerald embedded; >    Terry> in it--is said to be floating around somewhere.F > E >Once upon a time, there were some papers on the web on this project.F= >Richard Levitte used to have copies or links on his web siteeE >(http://www.lp.se/), but I can't find them there anymore.  They wereaD >discussed as part of a "FreeVMS" project that died out when DEC and4 >then Compaq decide to open up the hobbyist program. >lF >I think I have hardcopies at home; if anyone is interested, I can try= >to post a reference.  The project ran VMS services on a Mach G >microkernel which was running BSD as the primary OS.  The hardware waseF >still a VAX as the authors wanted to be able to avoid having to writeE >everything from scratch: using VAX hardware meant VMS binaries couldr >be run....m >i >rolandt >-- ! >		       PGP Key ID: 66 BC 3B CDMB >Roland B. Roberts, PhD                             RL EnterprisesB >roland@rlenter.com                     76-15 113th Street, Apt 3BB >rbroberts@acm.org                          Forest Hills, NY 11375   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 16:36:10 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER). Subject: Re: ALF and decserver 90M with telnet* Message-ID: <3abf61ea$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  Y In article <99imbi$1f44h$1@ID-40248.news.dfncis.de>, "Patrick" <peerbe@yahoo.com> writes:B3 >I have setup a decserver 90M with telnet protocol. M >Is there a way to use ALF in the same way as for the LAT-protocol. ( alf addS >"server/port" user /port).a   Not that I aware of.  4 I never heard of TELNET and ALF combinations so far. And my quick tests failed also.hE I was not even able to enter such a usual TELNET TT_ACCPORNAM to ALF.    Seems you're SOL.e   -- y< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888a< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:09:59 -0700y% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>., Subject: Anyone recognize part # 30-48115-02) Message-ID: <3ABF5BC7.17E4683E@rdrop.com>m  1 DEC 2 channel RAID controller, part # 30-48115-02s  @ If anyone knows what this is (and, especially, if VMS likes it),> I'd appreciate it.  (A quick check of Compaq's main site turns& up null; I'm unsure where else to go.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:46:24 -0500"* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>6 Subject: Re: BASIC 1.4 install causing a startup error8 Message-ID: <OQzv6.96107$lj4.2795102@news6.giganews.com>  = "John Santos" <john.santos@post.harvard.edu> wrote in messageg8 news:MPG.15273b4db7a223a798968b@news.bellatlantic.net...  B > At one point, I came across something that implied it was due toE > installing an ECO after BASIC that caused a reversion in DEC$BASRTL @ > (replaced a new version with an old version).  I think this is= > incorrect, but may have applied to BASIC V1.3.  Anyway, thee recommendeduD > cure was to re-install BASIC V1.4 (which is quite a bit newer thanE > VMS V7.2-1), but that didn't have any effect.  I figure they'll fix  > it in V1.5...i  5 Hmmm I recently installed a new system in this order:        1) VMS 7.2-1 (Of course)     2) DEC Basic 1.4;     3) Compiled a few things written in BASIC w/no problem.hE     4) Applied a few VMS patches (Including the SYS & Update patches)70     5) Tried to compile something ELSE in BASIC.%     6) Compile fall down & go "BOOM!"m     7) Re-installed BASIC 1.4t  E Curious, I compared the Basic RTL that came with the Update patch andeD it was older than the one that came with Basic 1.4 (though I thought	 Basic 1.4 & was older than that particular patch.)  @ As far as the install error, there is a DSNLink message about it@ occurring when installing DEC Basic but I didn't see it then and7 have only seen on system startup where I would think ite? couldn't happen if the DSNlink article is correct about needing:? privs to install BASIC & not having them being the cause of the A error.... unless I misunderstand what kind of privs are availablea during a system startup.   -Andy-   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 19:03:16 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: CHAT Server/Client on VMS ?* Message-ID: <3abf8464$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  B I saw (years ago) a Internet Relay Chat Daemon (IRCD) for OpenVMS.D But then again CHAT was of no interest for the last years for me/us.  J Now the question popped up again, if we could setup a chat server ASAP andK I'd like to ask, what S/W is there for VMS (so I can offer a solution, too)-  G I'm particularly interested in a client-S/W-installation-less solution,h> so a JAVA/browser based Chat-Client seems to be the way to go.  8 Do you have any suggestions (for client and/or server) ?   TIA    -- F< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888i< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:01:50 +0200`1 From: Franz-Josef Fornefeld <jo.fornefeld@gmx.de> 6 Subject: Re: Communication to local PC ports from VMS.' Message-ID: <99n7iv.cn.1@jo.dyndns.org>a   Olek Koodziejczyk wrote:s  2 > I'm sorry for not being clear in my last e-mail. >  > I would like to explain :eI > I want to connect a device to a "COM" PC computer port (special kind ofeG > printer). I'd like to control the device (sending and receiving data)b > throught Open VMS.  7 Yes, it can be done, but AFAIK not with on-board-tools.W  I You have to write a server application on your PC that handles the I/O on H the COM-Port and the communication to your VMS system. The latter can be* done using a network protocol like TCP/IP.  E Your client application may connect to the server port on your PC andiD communicate (more or less) directly with the devices attached to the	 COM-port.s   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 08:36:41 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o  Subject: Re: compaction "nable"?3 Message-ID: <cts2ZIZA65KW@eisner.encompasserve.org>k  ` In article <pf3ubtcjl53dgdr4as4lpg34t7a2t7demf@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: >>J >>Magtape MUMBLE$MKB100:, device type TLZ06, is online, allocated, mountedM >>    foreign, record-oriented device, file-oriented device, error logging isoI >>    enabled, device is busy, controller supports compaction (compactionR( >>    nabled), device supports fastskip. > G > I've just tried this on a 7.2-1 (ES40) system with a TZ89 and enabledr: > definitely starts with a "e" in my SHOW DEV/FULL output. >   . The "e" comes back when the tape's not in use:  M Magtape MUMBLE$MKB100:, device type TLZ06, is online, record-oriented device, G     file-oriented device, error logging is enabled, controller supports >     compaction (compaction enabled), device supports fastskip.  B Looks like some kind of line wrapping bug.  I don't think it's theI terminal emulator dropping something (DECterm on my VXT2000+) as I'm not o seeing anything else dropped.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupoE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:39:51 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>_! Subject: Re: compaction "nabled"?t8 Message-ID: <pf3ubtcjl53dgdr4as4lpg34t7a2t7demf@4ax.com>  F On 23 Mar 2001 13:13:15 -0500, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:   >sH >Has this come up before (I thought I might have seen it, but Google and! >Wizard searches didn't find it)?p >o >VMS 7.2-1, DEC 3000 600Sn >uI >Magtape MUMBLE$MKB100:, device type TLZ06, is online, allocated, mountediL >    foreign, record-oriented device, file-oriented device, error logging isH >    enabled, device is busy, controller supports compaction (compaction' >    nabled), device supports fastskip.a  E I've just tried this on a 7.2-1 (ES40) system with a TZ89 and enabledw8 definitely starts with a "e" in my SHOW DEV/FULL output.  	    ^^^^^^7 >a >Somebody run short a byte?M >.G >---------------------------------------------------------------------- @ >Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation> >NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupF >                                | please remove ".aspm" when replying   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:41:45 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>oB Subject: Compaq's apparent destruction of DEC consultancy services8 Message-ID: <64hubtcbeudcpbam5b57k2vh5ekod8jdhr@4ax.com>  A With previous employers I have taken advantage of DEC consultancy D services on computer room layout. This would provide an initial siteE survey, a proposed layout and finally the move and/or installation of # the kit including most non DEC kit.l  E As we've just doubled the size of our machine room (mainly because of A the space taken up by all the NT systems...) we decided to plan a,F complete weekend move of all systems to make the most efficient use ofF space. Wanting it done properly I decided to call Compaq. The reply isF that "we are not sure who does this any more". To be fair local CompaqC services say they will do it but first they must re-assemble a teamrC and investigate how they do this in the Compaq era. Most of the old-A DEC team I'm told still work for Compaq but no unit has this taske) assigned any more as Compaq shut it down..  D Has anyone else recently used Compaq planning services and have they> had a similar response? Until now I thought that DEC's service& organization was relatively untouched. -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:02:33 -0800 % From: GreyCloud <wholland@tscnet.com>=  Subject: Dave Cutler and his artO Message-ID: <78E97534CEAD5C87.E1FADC86A609B0EF.8056D4C57AE5B7C1@lp.airnews.net>0  H Can anyone provide the URL to one of Dave Cutlers painting of the BSOD?  (Blue Screen of Death).n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:57:29 +0200p9 From: "Jan.Andersson@proema.se" <Jan.Andersson@Proema.se>e Subject: Decadmire on ES40? , Message-ID: <99nebu$oqj$1@news.han.telia.se>  I We tried to run Decadmire version 2.1 on our ES40 with lack of success...o  2 Then I start MIRA the cpu seems to go into a loop.: When I look into process there is no DIO nor BIO going on.   Someone else tried this??m   Regards /Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:49:38 GMTt From: sfm1115@bjc.orgu Subject: DecEventn/ Message-ID: <3abf477e.3092236@news.starnet.net>C  B I need to install this product or turn it on.  Can someone tell meE what package this is listed as on the Support CD's or the name in thei FTP site for the Download.    Also does this require a reboot.  6 The server is an Alpha Server 2100 running OpenVms 7.1   Thanks . Shawnd   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:26:18 +0200 2 From: "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcormail.de> Subject: Re: DecEvents+ Message-ID: <3ABF5F9A.4010807@arcormail.de>y  	 Hi Shawn,h  G DECevent is located on the VMS OS-CDs and, since the actual Version is -/ V2.9 it should be in the directory DECEVENT029.u   Regards,   Thomas   sfm1115@bjc.org wrote:  D > I need to install this product or turn it on.  Can someone tell meG > what package this is listed as on the Support CD's or the name in thea > FTP site for the Download. > " > Also does this require a reboot. > 8 > The server is an Alpha Server 2100 running OpenVms 7.1 > 	 > Thanks F > Shawnk     -- t? ---------------------------------------------------------------d9 *** Please notice! New eMail address from 12-dec-2000 on:n thomaspauli@arcormail.de? ---------------------------------------------------------------l9 Thomas H. Pauli, Hammersteinstr.19, 14199 Berlin, Germany-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:47:50 GMTi1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>  Subject: Re: DecEventa2 Message-ID: <3ABF6521.9D149289@clarityconnect.com>  : http://www.support.compaq.com/svctools/decevent/index.html   sfm1115@bjc.org wrote: > D > I need to install this product or turn it on.  Can someone tell meG > what package this is listed as on the Support CD's or the name in the  > FTP site for the Download. > " > Also does this require a reboot. > 8 > The server is an Alpha Server 2100 running OpenVms 7.1 >  > Thanks > Shawn    -- mD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:30:48 +01000% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>o Subject: Re: dsn8 Message-ID: <50aubt4hm8b433fgb0r9jvtkj7equn89b7@4ax.com>  B On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:47:17 GMT, "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote:  A >I tried to download an ECO over DSN, but I got an error message:r >n- >%DSN-E-CSCNOREC, requested record not found,p >eL >I wasn't sure exactly which record wasn't found, so I sent the dsn customerG >assistance desk (dsn%cad) a mail message asking for help.  The message.% >bounced due to :     you guessed it?o >D, >%DSN-E-CSCNOREC, requested record not found  B I'm fairly sure this means that you have been removed from the CSCD database at the far end. We were removed by mistake during our VAX >B Alpha migration and I think this was the error we got at the time.     -- Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 26 MAR 2001 14:54:30 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) Subject: Re: dsn6 Message-ID: <26MAR01.14543002@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  B ->I tried to download an ECO over DSN, but I got an error message: ->. ->%DSN-E-CSCNOREC, requested record not found, ->  C I saw this same error (in sys$login:DSN_BATCH_CREATE_SRA.LOG) whilenH trying to submit a problem on Friday. When I tried today, the submissionC went through. I called software support and they said they were nots aware of any problem.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:28:02 GMTi& From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: dsn= Message-ID: <6eJv6.20545$086.3437689@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>a  H I was finally able to get through later in the weekend.  They did have a problem,E whether they were aware of it or not.  I suspect they were not aware,n because theyJ could not get e-mail.  When it somehow got fixed, I bet they became aware.  L I have gotten so tired of playing phone tag that I have come to rely on DSN. Any one-I call may take longer, but in the long run I spend a lot less time waitinge for calls that don't come until just after I leave.  A "Carl Karcher" <karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu> wrote in messagem0 news:26MAR01.14543002@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu...D > ->I tried to download an ECO over DSN, but I got an error message: > ->0 > ->%DSN-E-CSCNOREC, requested record not found, > -> >iE > I saw this same error (in sys$login:DSN_BATCH_CREATE_SRA.LOG) whilegJ > trying to submit a problem on Friday. When I tried today, the submissionE > went through. I called software support and they said they were notS > aware of any problem.M >    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 12:58:29 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>sY Subject: Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS           EducationalPiH Message-ID: <y4elvk6bl6.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  + Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:l  H > > To a standard-conforming Fortran(77,90,95,...), Ada, C, C++, Pascal,K > > ... program, it is for all practical purposes indistinguishable whether K > > they run on VMS, OS/390, any Unix variant, any Win32 variant. If you'rea > This is really BS!  K Have you ever read a language standard? I have. And I have spent quite some-I time getting an application to run on a wide variety of systems (for SPEC J CPU2000). I can tell you that those standards go to great lengths to avoidH assumptions of the underlying hard- and software if at all possible. ForJ instance, they don't assume a compiler and/or linker exist (you can run anK interpreter instead, for instance); they don't assume a certain data format G and layout (although both C and Fortran will go in the direction of thelN program allowing to specify that it wants two's complement integers of certainI precision and, more importantly, IEEE-854 compliant floats); no word whathN legal file names etc might be; and a lot of other things. The C (and thereforeM the C++) standard are somewhat atypical in this respect because of the legacy J baggage hey needed to codify (the semantics of "char" is a prime example).  J > > using a widely-ported GUI library such a Qt, Interacter or Citrix, youM > > can have an application that interacts with the user in a natural way foreL > > the particular platform and never know the difference. At the same time, > This is only for GUI part. -   "Only"!?   > Is there Qt on VMS?   J I suppose so. There is a version that uses X11, and it's written in C++ - # both of which are available on VMS.$   > What about RMS?   L What about it? Do you perhaps mean the functionality offered by RMS over andL above stream-of-byte files? That is available on a lot of platforms. It justM so happens that this functionality doesn't come as well integrated, but therepK is no problem for, say, a Unix Fortran compiler to offer the VMS compiler's N extensions that support keyed access, and ISTR that it actually has been done.   > Is this a function of Qt?   > Of course not. Why should it? They are doing different things.  * > Do you know what you are talking about?   . Yes. When did you boot VMS for the first time?  ! > Do you ev. even like UNIX crap?   N I don't like crap, no matter what the adjective. This includes the crap you've
 been venting.e  & > But the worst is that you missed theB > point about the very small probability of the COE crap in reallyA > leading to a situation where we have this imaginary boatload of-7 > SW on VMS compared to the likelihood of damaging VMS.c  J That assumption is highly unlikely. As noted above, even loosely standard-I conforming applications written in C et al. will likely work on VMS. SomeiN problems are in the (G)UI arena, larger problems are in setup and installationI - see the somewhat recent thread about autoconf, make and so on. In fact,nN I have the impression most people think "port" means "adapt the makefile stuffH (not to say crap in many cases) to the idiosyncrasies of my system afterF removing those of the original implementor's" instead of what the word3 previously (i.e., about 10 or 15 years ago) meant. r   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:21:51 GMTu+ From: u82458496@spawnkill.ip-mobilphone.net  Subject: email failure port 113 3 Message-ID: <l.985612912.1131317138@[12.2.194.156]>o  K I use a VAX as an email server.  On outgoing email it seems that some emailwK servers are trying to get to my vax port 113 (ident) and since this port ist3 not enabled the outgoing email is not getting thru.r How can i enable port 113? What is port 113 used for?# Can I map this port to another one?s   Here is the info:e  < Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX Version V4.2 - ECO 4.   on a VAXstation 4000-60 running OpenVMS V7.1    7       -- i- Sent by emoreno from gkcorp  subpart from comCF This is a spam protected message. Please answer with reference header.9 Posted via http://www.usenet-replayer.com/cgi/content/new    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:46:58 -0600 (CST)  From: sms@antinode.org Subject: email failure port 113 ) Message-ID: <01032611465851@antinode.org>g  + From: u82458496@spawnkill.ip-mobilphone.net   G > I use a VAX as an email server.  On outgoing email it seems that somedF > email servers are trying to get to my vax port 113 (ident) and sinceB > this port is not enabled the outgoing email is not getting thru.  F    I have a friend running Linux on his home systems who was unable toC send e-mail to systems running SunOS 4.1.4, apparently for the same H reason.  He changed his firewall rules for port 113 from REJECT to DENY,G and it seemed to work better.  (I don't know what the actual differencep; is between those two choices, but there appears to be one.)(  D    There's probably nothing on the VMS system which responds to thisC port anyway, so it's probably harmless to pass it, but the way youruG firewall rejects it may upset the TCP/IP package on some older systems.I  F    I don't want to tempt fate (or intruders), but running VMS, I don'tF seem to have anything like the break-in problems my friend has runningB Linux.  Thus, he feels the need for a firewall, and I don't (yet).  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)1C    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work) G    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work) 9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)1   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Mar 2001 18:17:50 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)M# Subject: Re: email failure port 113s+ Message-ID: <99o14e$s14$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>   ) In article <01032611465851@antinode.org>,   sms@antinode.org writes:i. |> From: u82458496@spawnkill.ip-mobilphone.net |> uJ |> > I use a VAX as an email server.  On outgoing email it seems that someI |> > email servers are trying to get to my vax port 113 (ident) and sinceAE |> > this port is not enabled the outgoing email is not getting thru.n |> oI |>    I have a friend running Linux on his home systems who was unable toVF |> send e-mail to systems running SunOS 4.1.4, apparently for the sameK |> reason.  He changed his firewall rules for port 113 from REJECT to DENY,oJ |> and it seemed to work better.  (I don't know what the actual difference> |> is between those two choices, but there appears to be one.)  G From the remote end, one looks like "I won't give you that information"aH and the other looks like "I don't understand what you said".  While manyG sites seem to be requiring ident information (it helps prevent spoofinggG by verifying the user info with the connecting machine) some apparently < are forgiving if you just happen to not be running identd.     |> lG |>    There's probably nothing on the VMS system which responds to thisr6 |> port anyway, so it's probably harmless to pass it,   D There was an ident daemon available for VMS at one time and probably	 still is.a  G |>                                                     but the way youruJ |> firewall rejects it may upset the TCP/IP package on some older systems.  
 See above.   |> LI |>    I don't want to tempt fate (or intruders), but running VMS, I don'toI |> seem to have anything like the break-in problems my friend has running,E |> Linux.  Thus, he feels the need for a firewall, and I don't (yet)..  E It is a real stretch to assume that someone who knows so little aboutnC setting up security on their server is going to be able to set up a-F firewall properly.   Of course, just knowing there is a firewall gives8 people warm fuzzies.  Maybe that's all they really want.   bill   -- tJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   c   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 19:26:11 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)# Subject: Re: email failure port 113 * Message-ID: <3abf89c3$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  B In article <01032611465851@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org writes:, >From: u82458496@spawnkill.ip-mobilphone.netH >> I use a VAX as an email server.  On outgoing email it seems that someG >> email servers are trying to get to my vax port 113 (ident) and sincerC >> this port is not enabled the outgoing email is not getting thru.p   AFAIK, this not acceptable.)B The IDENTD is informational only, not a communication requirement.D You may ask the destination mail server administrator to reduce thisH restriction and to conform to RFC (check the number yourself) standards < again (OTOH every Anti-SPAM action is against this RFC, too)  M OTOH you may run an IDENTD on VMS eg. with TCPware (since many versions now).N We do...  G >   I have a friend running Linux on his home systems who was unable to D >send e-mail to systems running SunOS 4.1.4, apparently for the sameI >reason.  He changed his firewall rules for port 113 from REJECT to DENY,nH >and it seemed to work better.  (I don't know what the actual difference< >is between those two choices, but there appears to be one.)  / I think you mean: from DROP to REJECT (or DENY)eB And yes, I do recommend this, too (but better is an IdentD at all)  F This means that the messages gets answered and the mailer needn't waitI for a timeout to start receiving the actual mail (which might - depending I on the implementation - never starts because the server didn't answer theh IdentD request in any way)  E >   There's probably nothing on the VMS system which responds to thissD >port anyway, so it's probably harmless to pass it, but the way yourH >firewall rejects it may upset the TCP/IP package on some older systems.   Let the firewall pass it.oM Let VMS reject it, until you finally managed to run an IdentD on your system. N And enjoy the feeling, that an Exchange server still can't offer an identd ;-)  G >   I don't want to tempt fate (or intruders), but running VMS, I don'tCG >seem to have anything like the break-in problems my friend has runningvC >Linux.  Thus, he feels the need for a firewall, and I don't (yet).D  O Running one VMS system only, there is no real need for a firewall. VMS is good.-I But running two or more of them let me feel the need for a firewall, too.oG Because I don't want to check OPCOMs of all VMS systems or setup access3J filter in every TCPIP stack, I think a single point of mgmt (the firewall) is _the_ way to go.  YMMV   -- r< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-8880< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:45:46 -0500s* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>A Subject: FYI: NDS Authentication Services is coming to OpenVMS...i+ Message-ID: <3ABF723A.497002D8@rtfmcsi.com>d   FYI:  H I just got back from Novell's BrainShare conference that I attended lastH week.  Some interesting tid-bits of information were revealed during the! various sessions that I attended.l    G 1)  The NDS Authentication Services product is being ported to OpenVMS.eE It will make use of the external authentication hooks in VMS to allow.B users to login as normal but to have their passwords authenticatedG against one stored in NDS instead of the one that is hashed & stored in-G the SYSUAF.DAT file.  A configuration file makes it possible to provide H control over which accounts will be authenticated locally and which onesC will be authenticated via NDS-AS, so you can always keep SYSTEM andSC other privileged accounts from being subject to any network-relatedd3 problems that might cut you off from access to NDS.1  B Also, NDS-AS does its communications with NDS via an SSL encryptedF connection and pretty strong w/respect to encryption of authentication data on the wire.a  H NDS-AS is an outgrowth of a product that was custom developed at ClemsonF University in South Carolina.  At Clemson, they developed this productA to allow an IBM mainframe (OS 390) and several flavors of Unix to-B authenticate users against their NDS tree to provide single-signon= capabilities for 36,000 people [staff, students and faculty].-  > NDS-AS also has an API library that can be used to allow otherH NDS-related information to be obtained from within a client application.  C I also asked about NDS Account Management and the possibility of itcD running natively in OpenVMS to replace all SYSUAF.DAT/RIGHTSLIST.DATE access with calls to NDS in such a way that all of the local securitynD information storage would be replaced with new classes of objects inH NDS.  This would be very much like what was done with the NDS4NT productH that re-directed all SAM access requests out to a new "domain" object inF NDS that held the contents of the SAM database.  I was told that thereG may still be engineering issues with OpenVMS and the ability to replace H the system services involved with doing $GETUAI/$SETUAI calls.  However,G the Novell & Compaq folks did mention that it might be very feasible to H use their DirXML product to perform synchronization between SYSUAF.DAT /D RIGHTSLIST.DAT and NDS such that unified account management could beE performed in NDS and then the account data could be replicated out tor> individual OpenVMS systems and clusters.  Replication could beB bi-directional so that local changes made with AUTHORIZE would get replicated back to NDS.e    D 2)  Novell's eDirectory [the multi-platform version of NDS] has beenG ported to Tru64 Unix [as well as IBM's AIX platform].  I saw it runningrD on an Alpha system at Compaq's technology booth.  It had some prettyC impressive performance stats regarding the number of objects it waseD storing in NDS and how quickly it could resolve NDS directory accessC requests.  If anybody out here would like to see eDirectory running H natively on OpenVMS then its time to start lobbying Compaq and Novell toC make this happen.  I spoke with a Compaq engineer who was doing the ? Tru64 demo of eDirectory and he said that he's been pushing for.E eDirectory on OpenVMS but its going to take some customer pressure torH make it a priority.  Anybody interested in this should email me and I'llF provide you with the necessary contact information to get the requestsC funneled to the correct person at Compaq who can help champion thisl cause.  G Having eDirectory run natively on OpenVMS [both Alpha and VAX hardware]tG seems to me to be a requirement before NDS-AS would be suitable for usea" in a mission critical application.    H 3)  Slightly OT here, but after attending some sessions on NetWare64, itB has become very apparent that Novell has completely redesigned theC kernel [now the nano kernel] of NetWare to be hardware architecture C independent.  I made some comments about why was Novell waiting forfC Intel to get IA64 ready for prime-time when they could have used an G Alpha processor for 64-bit computing any time during the past 10 years.eC The responses that I got back from the operating system engineering.D development folks was "just wait a bit and see what we're doing...".H Unfortunately, there were documents handy with the letters "NDA" on themD so the engineers would not speak in any additional detail about this? issue.  However, it looks like Novell may actually be seriouslywE considering a port of their new NetWar64 operating system over to theCC Alpha architecture.  I've seen the compiler technology that they're > using and it is most definitely capable of targeting the Alpha
 architecture.       B Item #1 above seems to be the most important one to me.  I've beenG wanting this for a long time.  I've had a number of clients who keep on G phasing out their OpenVMS systems in favor of other platforms [SUN, HP, G IBM] because they could not integrate the OpenVMS systems into their ITcB infrastructure.  Having single signon capabilities that integratesF OpenVMS system with an NDS eDirectory implementation seems like a goodE start towards making OpenVMS fit in better with an enterprise-wide IT  infrastructure.o     -- Chuck Chopp0  8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager7                                   8007740718@skytel.come   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 12:56:34 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)tE Subject: Re: FYI: NDS Authentication Services is coming to OpenVMS...y3 Message-ID: <Ss0ktPoGX3Z4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3ABF723A.497002D8@rtfmcsi.com>, Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> writes:  J > 3)  Slightly OT here, but after attending some sessions on NetWare64, itD > has become very apparent that Novell has completely redesigned theE > kernel [now the nano kernel] of NetWare to be hardware architectureaE > independent.  I made some comments about why was Novell waiting fordE > Intel to get IA64 ready for prime-time when they could have used anaI > Alpha processor for 64-bit computing any time during the past 10 years.s  H Novell announced plans to port Novell to Alpha back in about '93.  Still waiting.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationd= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:50:15 +0200S' From: Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de>?. Subject: How to extract files with long names?* Message-ID: <3ABF7347.3CF487CD@iaf.fhg.de>  F I got an archive in tar format which contains a lot of files with fileG names having more than 39 characters. VMSTAR V3.3-9 (Mar  8 2000) stops,7 extraction with an error message: error writing file... 6 I know VMS supports up to 39 characters for file name.     Regards, -- d  ; ***********************************************************l; *                                                         *y; *  Theo Jakobus                                           *f; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  *i; *  Tullastr. 72                                           * ; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       *t; *  Germany                                                *i; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           *r; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           *a; *  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            *o; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  *n; *                                                         * ; ***********************************************************    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 12:48:51 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r2 Subject: Re: How to extract files with long names?3 Message-ID: <+mSytuxAYRHu@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  T In article <3ABF7347.3CF487CD@iaf.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> writes:H > I got an archive in tar format which contains a lot of files with fileI > names having more than 39 characters. VMSTAR V3.3-9 (Mar  8 2000) stops.9 > extraction with an error message: error writing file...g8 > I know VMS supports up to 39 characters for file name. >   G One possibility:  set up an ODS-5 disk so the file names can be longer,r5 then modify the copy of VMSTAR you got to allow them.i  H Another possibility:  just modify VMSTAR to handle your situaion the way you want it to be handled.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation4= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group-E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinge   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 12:26:37 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>-, Subject: Re: Info on low level driver accessH Message-ID: <y4hf0g6d2a.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  J Hoff, as I udnerstand it, he wants to make sure that the internal interuptM from the time source (GPS) is tied as quickly, with as low and as predictable J a latency as possible, to some internal proxy for time - for instance, theN cycle counter - so that the actual relationsship between external and internalL time can be updated at the systems "leisure" (within the next millisecond orG so) later on. He wants to use the console interupt as a "line" into thei system, as it were.    	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 19:11:37 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>, Subject: Re: Info on low level driver access- Message-ID: <87r8zkrdhy.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  I Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:y  C > Hoff, as I udnerstand it, he wants to make sure that the internalsE > interupt from the time source (GPS) is tied as quickly, with as lowMF > and as predictable a latency as possible, to some internal proxy for= > time - for instance, the cycle counter - so that the actual D > relationsship between external and internal time can be updated atA > the systems "leisure" (within the next millisecond or so) later-? > on. He wants to use the console interupt as a "line" into the  > system, as it were.o  $ Thats right. The common methods are:  B Toggle CD on a com port and get the staus change interupt from the' driver into a 'streams' module on unix.-  C Plug in a Digital IO module of some sort into a PCI slot, or plug anF GPS or other reference clock into the slot. This requires a driver for2 the device, and eats a PCI slot for 1 bit of IO :(  D Now any good RSX/VMS person should be revolted be taking a precisionD time reference from a TT port! So use the hardware chip console thatF sits doing nothing all the time. Problems are, making sure you are theB only user so you don't stamp on some other part of the system, andB pulses and possibly interupts causing trouble during crash/boot or initialization.a  B Most machines use a Dalis Semi clock chip for their time, a prettyC ordinary standard at best. The Vax on board osc units are much moreaB acurate and stable the the DS units. If the CPU cycle counters are/ suitable, these can be used as the local clock.o   -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.l@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:45:28 -0500 : From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com>3 Subject: KGPSA-CA, firmware of the card, OpenVMS... K Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D6DBF16@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>m  J At http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/adapters/64bitpcifibre.htmlI there is mention of firmware to restore KGPSA-CA performance, but it does G not specifically mention OpenVMS.  The "January 2001 KGPSA Performance tF Firmware Update for Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 2000 Configurations" is what I am refering to.  B Does anyone know if there is similar firmware for KGPSA-CA's with " OpenVMS that restores performance?  % Does the NT version apply to OpenVMS?f  , Has anyone used the NT version with OpenVMS?   :) jck   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:52:04 GMTo1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>t7 Subject: Re: KGPSA-CA, firmware of the card, OpenVMS...a2 Message-ID: <3ABF6620.FF2F7AF4@clarityconnect.com>  H From an internal notification on this firmware.  You'll need to wait for VMS one to be issued.n  H    This new firmware version is NOT applicable to the DS-KGPSA-CA or theE    DS-KGPSA-CX series adapters.  Work is still in progress to release D    performance-enhanced firmware for the DS-KGPSA-CA and DS-KGPSA-CX(    adapters for Tru64 Unix, and OpenVMS.    ! "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" wrote:  > L > At http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/adapters/64bitpcifibre.htmlK > there is mention of firmware to restore KGPSA-CA performance, but it doesnH > not specifically mention OpenVMS.  The "January 2001 KGPSA PerformanceH > Firmware Update for Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 2000 Configurations" is > what I am refering to. > C > Does anyone know if there is similar firmware for KGPSA-CA's witho$ > OpenVMS that restores performance? > ' > Does the NT version apply to OpenVMS?  > . > Has anyone used the NT version with OpenVMS? >  > :) jck   -- aD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:55:21 -0500.: From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com>7 Subject: RE: KGPSA-CA, firmware of the card, OpenVMS....K Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D6DBF1B@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>t  = Thanks for your post.  I will periodically visit the weblink n! to see if an update is available.   ; Just seems like the work has been in progress awhile now.   ; There is probably a lot more to it than I know or will everd want to know.     & I guess I am just a bit impatient. :)    :) jck   > -----Original Message-----8 > From: Mark D. Jilson [mailto:jilly@clarityconnect.com]' > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:52 AMn > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.come9 > Subject: Re: KGPSA-CA, firmware of the card, OpenVMS...q >  > ? > From an internal notification on this firmware.  You'll need r
 > to wait fors > VMS one to be issued.r > 8 >    This new firmware version is NOT applicable to the  > DS-KGPSA-CA or theG >    DS-KGPSA-CX series adapters.  Work is still in progress to release F >    performance-enhanced firmware for the DS-KGPSA-CA and DS-KGPSA-CX* >    adapters for Tru64 Unix, and OpenVMS. >  > # > "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" wrote:o > >  > > At p@ > http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/adapters/64bitpcif	 ibre.html K > there is mention of firmware to restore KGPSA-CA performance, but it doesdH > not specifically mention OpenVMS.  The "January 2001 KGPSA PerformanceH > Firmware Update for Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 2000 Configurations" is > what I am refering to. > C > Does anyone know if there is similar firmware for KGPSA-CA's withy$ > OpenVMS that restores performance? > ' > Does the NT version apply to OpenVMS?  > . > Has anyone used the NT version with OpenVMS? >  > :) jck   -- ED Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:04:18 +0200a$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>: Subject: lexical function F$FAO and directives !UL and !XL* Message-ID: <009F9975.596A03A8.2@decus.de>   > > 3 > >         $ write sys$output f$fao("!3XL", 12345)b > >         039 ! > >         $ show symbol $statuse% > >         $ $STATUS == "%X00010001"s4 > >         $ write sys$output f$message(%X00010001)7 > >         %RMS-S-NORMAL, normal successful completionr, > >                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ) > > No indication of a problem at all ...k > > G > > ("You have got an answer, right or wrong, this _is_ a success." ;-)t >   6 > It may be: $STATUS comes from "show symbol" command. >    >  try:i >   . >          $ fao_result = f$fao("!3XL", 12345)$ >          $ $STATUS == "%X00010001"# >          $ show symbol fao_resulto  >          $ show symbol $status >    > Marcin Szczecinski.c   $ x = f$fao("!3XL", 12345) $ show symbol $status    $STATUS == "%X00030001"e $ show symbol xr   X = "039"i( $ write sys$output f$message(%X00030001)+ %CLI-S-NORMAL, normal successful completioni  B I.e., "F$FAO(...)" has its result delivered to the DCL interpreter; ignoring that the result is "not fully correct" and the DCLrD interpreter assigns this value to the symbol "X" successfully. Hence$ "$STATUS" is indicating "%CLI-S-..."    Feeling somewhat unhappy ... ;-)   MichaelO   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:31:28 -0700S From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>a Subject: MicroVax II problem' Message-ID: <3ABF6EE0.8EF3C8AD@srv.net>a  B I'm trying to find out if there is any way to repair a MicroVax II9 cpu board with a bad console port.  The port will receive 9 characters from the console terminal, but will not outputl8 anything to the console port (Tested attaching kermit to7 opa0:, and can log in the port by guessing the prompts,a but nothing is displayed).  9 I have two CPU boards like this, and have heard of otherss6 with the same problem.  Is there one chip on the board; that could be replaced to fix this, or should I give up anda throw them away?   -- eE If they're not putting secret messages to me in their music, then whyI> do they keep putting my picture on the other side of the CD's?   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2001 01:18:48 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  Subject: Re: MicroVax II problem- Message-ID: <8766gwqwhz.fsf@prep.synonet.com>p  ! Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> writes:w  D > I'm trying to find out if there is any way to repair a MicroVax IIF > cpu board with a bad console port.  The port will receive characters@ > from the console terminal, but will not output anything to theD > console port (Tested attaching kermit to opa0:, and can log in the: > port by guessing the prompts, but nothing is displayed).  D > I have two CPU boards like this, and have heard of others with theF > same problem.  Is there one chip on the board that could be replaced7 > to fix this, or should I give up and throw them away?s  D VT-220s score another one... Near the middle of the CPU card, at theD handles end are two RS-232 level converter chips. Pull both, replace# with sockets, and put in new chips.s  E And never pull the power from a VT220 other than by the power switch.nC They are really good at spiking the line if you just pull the plug.n   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 03:45:34 GMTd1 From: pat jankowiak <vaxhackery@worldnet.att.net>i Subject: NSA and storage works?t0 Message-ID: <3ABEBAF0.BEB1940D@worldnet.att.net>  A Anyone see the "NSA" story on FOX network sunday night 9:30 (CST)a or so? s  A One extremely brief camera shot showed a huge aisle lined on both < sides with what looked like the dark blue storage racks thatA usually accompany the 8400 series. Only one of many such aisles Ih
 imagine..   = I hope they are recording my web pages. I might need a backups	 someday..s   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 18:29:22 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com># Subject: Re: NSA and storage works?u- Message-ID: <87ae68su0t.fsf@prep.synonet.com>g  3 pat jankowiak <vaxhackery@worldnet.att.net> writes:m  F > Anyone see the "NSA" story on FOX network sunday night 9:30 (CST) or > so?e  rC > One extremely brief camera shot showed a huge aisle lined on bothuF > sides with what looked like the dark blue storage racks that usuallyE > accompany the 8400 series. Only one of many such aisles I imagine..   C Who do you think decpaq added the popcount instructions for? Gamerse video?   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:54:13 GMTl4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net># Subject: Re: NSA and storage works?c; Message-ID: <pKIv6.8638$Wz.3400107@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>e  > "pat jankowiak" <vaxhackery@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message* news:3ABEBAF0.BEB1940D@worldnet.att.net...C > Anyone see the "NSA" story on FOX network sunday night 9:30 (CST)h > or so? > C > One extremely brief camera shot showed a huge aisle lined on both > > sides with what looked like the dark blue storage racks thatC > usually accompany the 8400 series. Only one of many such aisles I  > imagine..7 >f? > I hope they are recording my web pages. I might need a backup  > someday..   H Yes, UNLIMITED FREE BACKUP is just one of the many services provided viaL Uncle Sam's "innovative partnership" between the government and your wallet.H Problem is, there's no way to access your archived files should you need them.D   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 17:00:07 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]># Subject: Re: NSA and storage works? 5 Message-ID: <20010326170007.2316.qmail@nym.alias.net>a  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  G On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, pat jankowiak <vaxhackery@worldnet.att.net> wrote: B >Anyone see the "NSA" story on FOX network sunday night 9:30 (CST) >or so?  > B >One extremely brief camera shot showed a huge aisle lined on both= >sides with what looked like the dark blue storage racks thatmB >usually accompany the 8400 series. Only one of many such aisles I >imagine.. c >n> >I hope they are recording my web pages. I might need a backup
 >someday..  @ I'm sure they'll tell you that your data is safe with them . . .  
  . . Forever.r  F Shame The Q won't apply the same seriousness to marketing OpenVMS to a wider audience.      Doc.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----p Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBOr54csriC3SGiziTAQGhTwgAtj5TD/3jP1U+PgDw7oPb26+Sa4ttbf76@ 3qu3D3hmyEFYFso7CurLKLBzDGD4N1qTYmB3ijLVYqGZdb3Gee9qOhTSWaX2CaaM@ 0OKRtbyAiLDgEg+el2ADjmWBZwYh3QKMY2cfmLuTLxBFJuCorZ2ay/AanmmDKfwq@ 1f2ouX8K6x5hsinEtHcUENU+pzEQudbfitxQsFiQEcR5iyLwUIo2VshbNL1+cKmJ@ QaaiktdGCDnULqZd3tlRfOwsDsjVd/bOXAbxqpfqGKn9EEIvlKWwHFle/qmhXRJX8 /LtlkHMowK7n0JXfuT+TYLVVlkad2jTkYJqlD7Y+zYY6QJKCNQlhQQ== =Phjx  -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 07:38:30 +0200*- From: "Ruzsinszky Attila" <aruzsi@mailbox.hu>  Subject: NTP not follow DST , Message-ID: <99mkds$ai7$1@athena.euroweb.hu>   Hi,    Please help!!! The time is late 1h.( If I change the time by hand I got this: $ run sys$system:ucx$ntpd.& * Timezone Differential Factor is 3600* * basetime: NTS offset is 922489200.000000 * acquired server 192.168.1.250r: * selected new sync source 192.168.1.250, now at stratum 4K  07:29:51.23  -3610.459826 seconds, trip 0.1162, aperture 1800.0000, hold 47 * acquired server 192.168.33.29 * selected new sync source 192.168.33.2, now at stratum 3 K  07:29:51.26  -3610.465519 seconds, trip 0.1389, aperture 1800.0000, hold 4 K  07:30:01.38  -3610.465910 seconds, trip 0.1331, aperture 1800.0000, hold 3*K  07:31:05.39  -3610.467781 seconds, trip 0.1360, aperture 1800.0000, hold 2 K  07:32:09.39  -3610.468728 seconds, trip 0.1370, aperture 1800.0000, hold 1rK  07:33:13.40  -3610.467867 seconds, trip 0.1331, aperture 1800.0000, hold 0YB  07:34:17.41  -3610.471520 seconds, filtered, aperture 1800.000000  ? We are in the CEST zone now. Before DST the time was all right.iI I think there is problem with ntp_tz. How can I change it and how much isr it?n   Thanks:e Attila RuzsinszkyM   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 07:54:55 +0200.- From: "Ruzsinszky Attila" <aruzsi@mailbox.hu>o Subject: Re: NTP not follow DSTt, Message-ID: <99mlcd$ajp$1@athena.euroweb.hu>   Jerry Leslie wrote:f   >Post the output of: >  $ UCX SHOW VERSION    $ ucx show version  @   Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 2.   on a DEC 3000 - M300X running OpenVMS V7.1-2  F I will check the FAQ, but if you have any help, please don't hesitate,I write me, because I am not a VMS guru and precise time is very inportant.t   Ruzsi    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 07:59:17 +0200) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Adam Maulis)  Subject: Re: NTP not follow DST0! Message-ID: <CFTqhtUQPcAs@ludens>s  \ In article <99mkds$ai7$1@athena.euroweb.hu>, "Ruzsinszky Attila" <aruzsi@mailbox.hu> writes: > Hi,0 >  > Please help!!! > The time is late 1h.* > If I change the time by hand I got this: > $ run sys$system:ucx$ntpdr [...]eA > We are in the CEST zone now. Before DST the time was all right.dK > I think there is problem with ntp_tz. How can I change it and how much isr > it?c   Hi,   D 1, How did you change the time? (via sys$manager:utc$time_setup.com     or not?)cH 2, What does the SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL logical show? Must be "7200" H   in Hungary. (utc$time_setup.com changes this logical permanently, too)+ 3, Which version of VMS and UCX do you use?-   > 	 > Thanks:  > Attila Ruzsinszky1       Hungarian Post Scriptum:  C   Szeretettel varunk (szeritem latogass el) a magyar VMS-l listara, 1   bovebb info: http://ludens.elte.hu/decus/vms-l/a  I Adam Maulis              maulis@ludens elte hu         VMS system manager H  .......................................................................H  VMS Competence Center                             VMS Szakertoi KozpontH  Eotvos Lorand University                  Eotvos Lorand TudomanyegyetemH  Budapest, Hungary                                              BudapestH  =======================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:14:50 +0200l+ From: Ruzsinszky Attila <aruzsi@mailbox.hu>s Subject: Re: NTP not follow DSTm* Message-ID: <3ABF32BA.E3B7FE4F@mailbox.hu>   Hi,   @ I think the NTP problem is solved, but I don't understand these> $ sh log *time*i   (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)f   (LNM$JOB_80984B80)   (LNM$GROUP_000001)   (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)     "DTSS$_TP_TIME_STAMPS" = "4";   "SYS$LOCALTIME" = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM]MET."(&   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING" = "0"&   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" = "7200"   "SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME" = "MET" ;   "SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE" = "MET-1MET_DST-2,M3.5.0/2,M10.5.0/3"m   "UCX$BIND_TIMEOUT" = "...."u  % Why timezone_daylight_saving is = 0 ? 4 What does timezone_rule M3.5.0/2 and M10.5.0/3 mean?. Will the time be changed after DST in October?= (I asked this because TDF was 3600 in the last term and it is 
 7200 now.)   Any help would be appreciated.   Thanks:V Ruzsio   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:50:23 +0200P, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.n0spam.nl> Subject: Re: NTP not follow DST = Message-ID: <3abf48e2$0$151$1a0eedbc@dreader2.news.xs4all.nl>6  + I did a test just this weekend (of course).m  J I am running V7.3 EFT2, with TCP/IP V5.1. Normally I am running DTSS to doL the DST shifting smoothly. But last week I decided to try the NTP service ofK TCP/IP services. I disabled DTSS and enabled NTP. After a reboot, I had theo' following logical names (among others):,  &   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" = "3600"=   "SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE" = "MET-1MET DST-2,M3.4.0/02,M10.4.0/03"R  K The value of SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE is wrong and OpenVMS engineering is aware of.K that. The meaning of the timezone is: change to DST on march, 4th sunday ateL 02:00, and back on october, 4th sunday at 03:00. (in both cases it should beD the last sunday in stead of the 4th. The corresponding rule is then:B M3.5.0/02,M10.5.0/03. Fortunately it makes no difference in 2001!)  L NTP did the DST shift correctly, and after that there was no visible change.  : Today, I restarted DTSS, and I got the following logicals:  &   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING" = "1"&   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" = "7200"!   "SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME" = "MET DST""=   "SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE" = "MET-1MET DST-2,M3.4.0/02,M10.4.0/03"f  J Apparently, NTP does not change the logicals, but DTSS does. My conclusionL is, that you must be running DTSS. DTSS and NTP can coexist, but they cannot both adjust the clock.   Regards,  	 Bart Zornn    8 "Ruzsinszky Attila" <aruzsi@mailbox.hu> wrote in message$ news:3ABF32BA.E3B7FE4F@mailbox.hu... > Hi,  >eB > I think the NTP problem is solved, but I don't understand these> > $ sh log *time*  >  > (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE). >  > (LNM$JOB_80984B80) >C > (LNM$GROUP_000001) >: > (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) >/  >   "DTSS$_TP_TIME_STAMPS" = "4"= >   "SYS$LOCALTIME" = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM]MET."o( >   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING" = "0"( >   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" = "7200" >   "SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME" = "MET" = >   "SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE" = "MET-1MET_DST-2,M3.5.0/2,M10.5.0/3"  >   "UCX$BIND_TIMEOUT" = "...."n >i' > Why timezone_daylight_saving is = 0 ?s6 > What does timezone_rule M3.5.0/2 and M10.5.0/3 mean?0 > Will the time be changed after DST in October?? > (I asked this because TDF was 3600 in the last term and it is	 > 7200 now.) >m  > Any help would be appreciated. >o	 > Thanks:j > Ruzsii   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 16:49:02 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: NTP not follow DST-* Message-ID: <3abf64ee$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  \ In article <99mkds$ai7$1@athena.euroweb.hu>, "Ruzsinszky Attila" <aruzsi@mailbox.hu> writes: >The time is late 1h.O   Yes, DST started  ) >If I change the time by hand I got this:B >$ run sys$system:ucx$ntpd' >* Timezone Differential Factor is 3600v+ >* basetime: NTS offset is 922489200.000000a  >* acquired server 192.168.1.250; >* selected new sync source 192.168.1.250, now at stratum 4oL > 07:29:51.23  -3610.459826 seconds, trip 0.1162, aperture 1800.0000, hold 4 >* acquired server 192.168.33.2 : >* selected new sync source 192.168.33.2, now at stratum 3L > 07:29:51.26  -3610.465519 seconds, trip 0.1389, aperture 1800.0000, hold 4L > 07:30:01.38  -3610.465910 seconds, trip 0.1331, aperture 1800.0000, hold 3L > 07:31:05.39  -3610.467781 seconds, trip 0.1360, aperture 1800.0000, hold 2L > 07:32:09.39  -3610.468728 seconds, trip 0.1370, aperture 1800.0000, hold 1L > 07:33:13.40  -3610.467867 seconds, trip 0.1331, aperture 1800.0000, hold 0C > 07:34:17.41  -3610.471520 seconds, filtered, aperture 1800.000000  >m@ >We are in the CEST zone now. Before DST the time was all right.J >I think there is problem with ntp_tz. How can I change it and how much is >it?   The problem is  ; 1) in VMS because it does offer timezone logicals and ruleshK but does (up to V7.3) not apply the automatic switch of DST. You still needo@ to use DECdts to do the automatic switching of time and logicalsF 2) in NTP because it does offer timezone switching but does not changeM VMS logicals and if you do them manually sets the time incorrectly afterwardsw  G So, solution until VMS V7.3 (AFAIK) is run DECdts and NTP concurrently,tI let DECdts switch the time and logicals, and restart NTP server (at least I TCPware's) at the DST switch hour to avoid getting a wrong time caused byv NTP's additional DST switching.y  - I hope, they finally get it right sometime....   -- C< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888,< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2001 00:17:46 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: NTP not follow DSTe- Message-ID: <87ae68qzbp.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   , eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:  A > 2) in NTP because it does offer timezone switching but does not ? > change VMS logicals and if you do them manually sets the timeo > incorrectly afterwards  C NTP is totally UT based, it takes no notice at all of time zones or A DST stuff. The only thing it will adjust for is leap seconds on 1 
 Jan/1 Jul.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:09:37 -0500$* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>8 Subject: Re: Open VMS Experience with Enterprise Storage+ Message-ID: <3ABF69C0.A896358F@rtfmcsi.com>g   Mike Gray wrote:  	 > Thanks.l >cN > Aside from cost, does anyone have EMc or IBM connected to VMS? Any problems?9 > I am looking at running IDX (healtchare package) on it.  >e > Mi  N One of my clients had a VAX 6630 system running an IDX application as a legacyO system that needed to remain functional for the next couple of years until theylM no longer needed the data on it.  However, they needed to reduce the physical N foot-print of the system because their data center floor space is running at aN premium right now.  Since the system was only being used for lookups of legacyJ application data, it was not important that a replacement system have highN performance.  I was able to replace two SW800 cabinets, a star coupler and theO VAX 6630 system with a single VAX 4100 system, an HSD30 and a single-ended SCSIeL to differential SCSI adapter so that the system could be connected to an EMCP Symmetrix server.  What can I say about it?  It works, albeit not blazingly fast$ due to having the DSSI bus involved.  N If you want higher performance & availability you need to move up to using CMDO Hawk controllers on the CI to get cluster-wide shared storage with VAX hardwareuM or mixed VAX/Alpha systems.  CMD is partnered with EMC to provide controllers * that work well with the Symmetrix servers.  L If you are not interested so much in clustering as you are in simply gettingO great performance you can use an UltraSCSI [SCSI 3?] adapter in an Alpha systemi* to connect directly to a Symmetrix server.  J Compaq is generally not very helpful regarding technical support & storageN system related problems when you have your systems connected to anything otherN than a StorageWorks storage system.  However, if you are in a big multi-vendorM data center it may be necessary to use a Shark or Symmetrix system because oftH the broad range of platforms that they support for storage connectivity.     Chucka -- Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager7                                   8007740718@skytel.com    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 12:05:59 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>-, Subject: Re: POSIX Streams, File PermissionsH Message-ID: <y4n1a86e0o.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  . Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:  A > ... a fundermental part of the DCL syntax (what is a file-spec)w  I Not quite correct. RMS knows absolute file specs (the things that includewM devices and node names and directories and all); the file system, aka the XQPgM for ODS-2 and ODS-5, knows the syntax of the component parts, i.e., the nameshG of files (and therefore directories) themselves. DCL is a user of thosec	 services.a   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 12:17:13 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>w, Subject: Re: POSIX Streams, File PermissionsH Message-ID: <y4k85c6dhy.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  = > :and I have to ask: no  unix-like  fork() any time soon?...hH > :I'd wager it's copy-on-write scheme, would be a near show stopper ... > K >   AFAIK, native UNIX fork support is not in the current round of DII COE  K >   support.  The fork call has involved a very detailed review of OpenVMS G" >   memory and process management.  F Over and above that required for the V7 re-write of memory management?  B I suppose the original reason not to provide COW (VAX architectureD limitations) are no longer valid. COW would eable one to INSTALL theC writable parts of shareable images (among others) in a useful sense:D (avoids hard faults in a typical scenario, among other things). I doF think $CREVA has a few bits left in the flags to specify that, and youL then need to inflict the pain on somebody to update $IMGSTA appropriately...  H >   Surprisingly few applications actually use fork without immediately L >   following it with an exec, which is a massive waste of a perfectly good  >   fork routine.   M That's what the Unix building-block approach sometimes gives you: pieces thatt. are too small to be useful or used seperately.  I >   Um, the humor lurking in the external documentation can not and does eD >   not compare to the humor that is circulating within engineering. >   (And please don't ask...)o  = Not always - it sometimes escapes into wild (cf. SET PROMPT).s   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:30:20 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>, Subject: Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions6 Message-ID: <20010326143020.10985.qmail@nym.alias.net>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  = On 26 Mar 2001, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:s7 >Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:6 >rG >> >possible variations? In all of these cases I just want to print theh >> >text file called foo.  >> aM >> For what it's Wirth, surely you wanted to print the file formerly known ase
 >> FOO.TXT > & >But it is probably of little Wirth :) >  >-- = >Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,e8 >+61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.A >                                             West Australia 6076u/ >Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.h  5 Just have to Quiche the jokes to myself then Paul. ;)      Doc.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----  Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBOr54csriC3SGiziTAQFaeAf+Ia/NnDd9tzdAW41ULOdvg+URpk3zyuoT@ Fsh076lk08FvmXaDKVmKFf4GR1f+jMKVqoNd99KKYA9rpEXaUxKLdJGkAmK2u0xx@ XZIAkqoHosHmerFibsZ1OJhGxWQEKmm3O604G5tIFPpR9EE0dUVCBQjaEO9u8C2r@ Ux9qhkU5qySIdyZETbEPHnKFphm6CpuubsRy7J9wtxyipWNwPI4bAUljAUMVLxej@ vwfcXrFuzgdqiyKaoxzuiGihqDuOu4KS2Nb+trCDmQ30fiUdY1grJVMafgkEp2Lb8 X8OxwVZ3mWAT3qaJErJKrAh6kkKAOkeR8wcHPASAbLzj/XFNVjLSvA== =/snNl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----J   ------------------------------  " Date: Mon, 26 Mar 01 09:12:46 +200' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)a' Subject: RE: Printing jpeg files on VMS , Message-ID: <99mq5g$1dec$1@kiosk.rzg.mpg.de>  8 In Article <EBnv6.5474$yz3.173937@iguano.antw.online.be>$ "Dirven" <tdn36618@tijd.com> writes: >Hello, ' >I have many JPG files on my VMS-disks. 2 >Is it possible to print these files to a printer.* >$ print/queu=printer1 photo.jpg ....... ?" >I don't have postscript printers." >I only have "pcl based" printers. >Best regards,
 >T. Dirven >Belgium    L Get the PBMPLUS package from the freeware CD, it contains pbmtolj, it's help says     PBMTOLJ6  H           Convert a portable bitmap into HP LaserJet  format.    Reads aE       portable bitmap as input.  Produces HP LaserJet data as output.0  -           Note that there is no ljtopbm tool.e         Execution Format:0+           pbmtolj [-resolution N] [pbmfile],    t which should do what You need0 (I didn't try it myself).    -- 1H Joseph "Sepp" Huber,huber@mppmu.mpg.de,http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:48:14 +0200i9 From: "Jan.Andersson@proema.se" <Jan.Andersson@Proema.se>.2 Subject: Q: How to append file (separate) in Mail?, Message-ID: <99ndqj$o0d$1@news.han.telia.se>   Hi!u  2 I want to append a file when I send a mail in VMS.  B How do I do this if I don'nt want the file to be part of the body.A I want it as a separate included file, in this case a Excel-file.f   Suggestions?   Regards /Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:23:44 +0200 2 From: "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcormail.de>6 Subject: Re: Q: How to append file (separate) in Mail?+ Message-ID: <3ABF5F00.3060005@arcormail.de>7   Hi Jan,i  J in VMS V7.2 there is a MIME tool (SYS$SYSTEM:MIME.EXE) which will do that.   Thomas   Jan.Andersson@proema.se wrote:   > Hi!i > 4 > I want to append a file when I send a mail in VMS. > D > How do I do this if I don'nt want the file to be part of the body.C > I want it as a separate included file, in this case a Excel-file.s >  > Suggestions? >  > Regards /Jan     -- ,? ---------------------------------------------------------------l9 *** Please notice! New eMail address from 12-dec-2000 on:e thomaspauli@arcormail.de? ---------------------------------------------------------------B9 Thomas H. Pauli, Hammersteinstr.19, 14199 Berlin, Germanyl   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:43:53 -0800H. From: Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> Subject: Reading UDF CDs( Message-ID: <3ABF7FD9.42097CFB@vmmc.org>  E One of our local government departments, in their strange wisdom, hashF shipped me a CD whose directory is in UDF (Universal Directory Format)F format.  The reason I know this is because when I mounted it on my PC,G Windows brought up a requestor to install the Adaptec UDF driver (whichl I did, and it works).:  G On VMS though, I can't even mount the disk foreign!  I get a "medium iseD offline" msg.  (This was on an RRD40 and an RRD45.  Maybe a newer or9 different drive is needed? They used Memorex CD-RW media)   0 1) How can I mount this disk so VMS can read it?  E 2) If VMS doesn't understand UDF, how can I mount the CD "foreign" soy" that I can write a pgm to read it?   Thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:20:33 -0600=+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>- Subject: RE: Reading UDF CDsL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1C9F@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----7 > From: Jack Trachtman [mailto:Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org]h  G > One of our local government departments, in their strange wisdom, haseH > shipped me a CD whose directory is in UDF (Universal Directory Format)H > format.  The reason I know this is because when I mounted it on my PC,< > Windows brought up a requestor to install the Adaptec UDF  > driver (which" > I did, and it works).N  ? > On VMS though, I can't even mount the disk foreign!  I get a E > "medium isF > offline" msg.  (This was on an RRD40 and an RRD45.  Maybe a newer or; > different drive is needed? They used Memorex CD-RW media)2  L Well, taking the simple approach first, are you sure it isn't a multisessionK disk?  RRD40 won't read those, I'm sure... Don't know about RRD45, but thatw- may be the reason you can't mount it foreign.-   Regards,   Chris-  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer2 Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");$ '5   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 05:02:52 -0800, From: john babiarz <john_member@newsguy.com>& Subject: Source code for Fax receiving* Message-ID: <99nels01345@edrn.newsguy.com>  K I am looking for source code for receiving faxes. I need to port this beasteG to vms to do some specialized processing. I would even take source codehF from any linux system. Purpose of this project is receive the fax, and
 print it out.-   john   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:46:19 +0100i% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> * Subject: Re: Source code for Fax receiving8 Message-ID: <s0pubt46905o2br988gsfcdimckblv8d11@4ax.com>  E On 26 Mar 2001 05:02:52 -0800, john babiarz <john_member@newsguy.com>T wrote:  L >I am looking for source code for receiving faxes. I need to port this beastH >to vms to do some specialized processing. I would even take source codeG >from any linux system. Purpose of this project is receive the fax, andc >print it out.  = Not source code but Goldfax from DPD www.dpd.com will do this7     >johnS   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:53:39 -0300/) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br  Subject: STARTNET problemsL Message-ID: <OF4556E322.C994174D-ON03256A1B.004BB61C@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  G I am trying to configure the DECNET PHASE IV in an Alphaserver with thek	 followinga configuration:   - Alphaserver 1000A 5/4003 - OpenVMS 7.21 - DE-500 -  V5.8 (Firmware)  
 -  Patches  P DEC AXPVMS VMS721_SYS V8.0          Patch       Install     26-MAR-2001 09:11:59P DEC AXPVMS VMS721_UPDATE V1.0       Patch       Install     26-MAR-2001 09:07:20    ; And when I try to run STARTNET, appears the messages below: Z ========================================================================================== $ @sys$startup:startnet = %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 00000120UB %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of MOM$SYSTEM has been supersededK %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of MOM$SYSTEM_NOSOFTID has been supersededrI %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of MOM$SYSTEM_SOFTID has been supersededcB %NCP-W-INVPVA, Invalid parameter value , Physical Ethernet address Line = EWA-0  / %NCP-W-UNRCMP, Unrecognized component , Circuith Circuit = EWA-0   ) %NCP-I-NOINFO, No information in databaseM= %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 00000122E  N ==============================================================================  @ What is wrong ? I dont have DECNET decumentation anymore. And myB TCP/IP Services are working fine. When I try to check the LINE andC CIRCUITS in the NCP database there is no information. But my DEVICEc! in LANCP is ok ! (TCP/IP is fine)c     Regards    FC   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 18:39:35 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>: Subject: Re: STARTNET problemsH Message-ID: <y47l1cmqm0.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  H DECnet has to start first so that it can set the physical address to theH DECnet address of the node - that's how it works, one advantage being itF doesn't need ARP. But if you have started IP before DECnet, the change> is blocked, and you get this singularly helpful error message.  F LAT, IIRC, was modified to allow the change to occur even after it has started.   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 12:54:06 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a Subject: Re: STARTNET problems3 Message-ID: <9NkJeJyidoye@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  x In article <OF4556E322.C994174D-ON03256A1B.004BB61C@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:  D > %NCP-W-INVPVA, Invalid parameter value , Physical Ethernet address  H Here's the heart of the problem.   Phase IV wants to change the physicalA address in use on your ethernet board.  It can't do that if other : protocols are already running (there are some exceptions).  H Solution:  stop all other network processing, start DECnet, then restart the other protocols.  I Or:  edit systartup_vms.com to make sure DECnet is the first protocol youg start, and reboot.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporatione= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:27:38 +0100-% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>A. Subject: Strange message on boot with 7.3 EFT28 Message-ID: <fd2ubtof9sk94b1ceertbqtvvfd0v3mp5b@4ax.com>  & Not sure if this is 7.3 related but...  C My 7.3 EFT 2 system was powered down over the weekend. On rebooting @ this morning I got a message saying that APLDCL02 V7.1 was beingE installed when the system crashed. Now the system hasn't been runninggA 7.1 quite some time (running 7.2-1 prior to 7.3 installation) ande@ vmsinstall.history shows that patch was installed on 9-DEC-1998.  E Where during the startup is this check made and any suggestions as totC why I've just started getting this message. I'm almost 100% certaincC that the system did not crash during the install in any case as I'd1C likely remember such an unusual occurrence. I'm also sure I did not 2 get this message during reboots with 7.1 and 7.2-1   Alan   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 12:42:58 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)2 Subject: Re: Strange message on boot with 7.3 EFT2* Message-ID: <3abf2b42$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  ` In article <fd2ubtof9sk94b1ceertbqtvvfd0v3mp5b@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:' >Not sure if this is 7.3 related but...?   I doubt too.  D >My 7.3 EFT 2 system was powered down over the weekend. On rebootingA >this morning I got a message saying that APLDCL02 V7.1 was beingyF >installed when the system crashed. Now the system hasn't been runningB >7.1 quite some time (running 7.2-1 prior to 7.3 installation) andA >vmsinstall.history shows that patch was installed on 9-DEC-1998.t >fF >Where during the startup is this check made and any suggestions as toD >why I've just started getting this message. I'm almost 100% certainD >that the system did not crash during the install in any case as I'dD >likely remember such an unusual occurrence. I'm also sure I did not3 >get this message during reboots with 7.1 and 7.2-1d  G Could it be, that a valid crash dump (of the V7.1 system then) is stilldC in the SYSDUMP.DMP file and that it is detected that is was alreadyb! analyzed/saved (some years ago) ?n  J I have such a case on my OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1 system and I haven't managedD so far to avoid a savedump at every reboot (but I must admit, that I< didn't put any real efforts in it - a DELETE is much faster)  H If this is the case (like on my system), then there seems to be a bug in0 VMS V7.x (because it did never happen before V7)  C OTOH, how often did you reboot since 1998 and how often did you seea such a savedump ?U   -- I< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888r< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:44:52 +0100t% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>m2 Subject: Re: Strange message on boot with 7.3 EFT28 Message-ID: <qqnubtk2lck58a50h6vhteoi19pfd97iej@4ax.com>  C On 26 Mar 2001 12:42:58 +0100, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)c wrote:  a >In article <fd2ubtof9sk94b1ceertbqtvvfd0v3mp5b@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:e( >>Not sure if this is 7.3 related but... >   H >Could it be, that a valid crash dump (of the V7.1 system then) is stillD >in the SYSDUMP.DMP file and that it is detected that is was already" >analyzed/saved (some years ago) ?  E The current crash dump in sysdump.dmp is from a test of the DCL crashuD the system bug in 7.2-1. I did another test after installing the fixB but obviously there was no crash dump then. So I don't think it is related to this.  @ I've done a little searching and the message I saw is printed by? vmsinstal.com which is called by vms$baseenviron-050_vms.com ifsB sys$update:vmimarker*.dat exists. A quick check shows no such fileF currently exists. There may be other places this is called of course.   E So I'm still no further forward as to why I saw the message. I reallyl= hope there isn't a bug in f$search triggering a false call tosD vmsinstal but that seems unlikely not to have been picked up by now.   >0K >I have such a case on my OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1 system and I haven't managediE >so far to avoid a savedump at every reboot (but I must admit, that I = >didn't put any real efforts in it - a DELETE is much faster)  >fI >If this is the case (like on my system), then there seems to be a bug ino1 >VMS V7.x (because it did never happen before V7)r >'D >OTOH, how often did you reboot since 1998 and how often did you see >such a savedump ?   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:14:51 +0200v5 From: Eckhard Wich <eckhard_wich@deutsche-boerse.com>p Subject: Re: Telnet Security3 Message-ID: <3ABEEC6B.6D31515C@deutsche-boerse.com>n  J Use lexical function f$getjpi, argument tt_accpornam returns remote TCP/IP address resp. host name:  . $ write sys$output f$getjpi("","tt_accpornam")! Host: 172.17.92.114    Port: 1694n $t     Hal Kuff schrieb::  K >    Anyone know of a method to get the foreign IP address logged on telnetCI > sessions with a box using Tcpware... We can do it via the firewall, buto8 > were looking for something on the vms side as well....   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:14:44 -0500i" From: "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> Subject: Re: Telnet SecurityO Message-ID: <006AB9803AC71BBA.F0436378C3FE4C48.016CB3DBE92BF810@lp.airnews.net>r  H     Sorry, was thinking of something outside of the sylogin.com chain...K Accounting does not seem to have the terminal id in the accounting logs.... H I could append to a shared file from sylogin, but that is difficult on aH busy system....operator log messages are messy..... rms sequential files' open shared write are messy as well....       - "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> wrote in message4I news:D342B7F188CF4AFA.987906EFBB0F306F.897AC1143C2A26DA@lp.airnews.net...: >: >SK >    Anyone know of a method to get the foreign IP address logged on telnetaI > sessions with a box using Tcpware... We can do it via the firewall, buto8 > were looking for something on the vms side as well....   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:16:25 -0300t) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bre Subject: Test 123 L Message-ID: <OF1CC398EC.166387DE-ON03256A1B.005EDD34@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Just tesing google   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:37:48 GMT 8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)( Subject: Re: Upgrading to alphavms 7.2-11 Message-ID: <gnJv6.129$fB6.5363@news.cpqcorp.net>t  4 In article <C2256A18.007242AF.00@jklh21.valmet.com>," norm.raphael@jamesbury.com writes:  5 >I'm not that comfortable with PCSI OpenVMS upgrades.P  >How does PCSI find the patches?) >How does it know which patches to apply?9  ) Not really the right questions.  Read on.K  G >Is this process now really automagic with PCSI-based install/upgrades?m    No, it isn't "automagic" at all.  > When OpenVMS is upgraded, all patches to the installed versionB are removed, along with the installed version.  The new version is0 then installed.  (A bit over-simplified, but...)  D During the installation, the POLYCENTER Software Installation (PCSI)A utility looks at each "object" -- files, library modules, etc. --eD to determine if any other prodcut -- like a language compiler -- hasE provided the same object.  If so, a "conflict" exists.  For files and@C library moudles, the PCSI utility resolves this conflict by looking C at the "GENERATION" assigned to the object in the PCSI utility kit.tB (If no GENERATION is explicity assigned, GENERATION 0 is assumed.)" The higher generation is selected.  ? So if a langague compiler kit provided an RTL with a generationB? higher that the generation that comes with the OpenVMS kit, thea? RTL from the compiler will be retained.  Othewise, the RTL from  the OpenVMS kit is selected.  E This all works because OpenVMS engineers and the various LP engineersr@ cooperate to assign generations appropriately.  Most of the time? we get it right.  <smile>  The intention is that WE do the workNA of figuring this all out so that it works right when you install.t  H If files provided by OpenVMS are also provided by layered products whichB do not provide PCSI utility kits, or which allow the GENERATION toH default to 0, the OpenVMS version of these files will alwasy be provided during an OpenVMS Upgrade.  F The same mechanism works with multiple patch kits.  The files (images)C in successive patch kits have successively higher GENERATIONs.  So, C if you install the patches ("remedial kits") out of order, you will D still get the same results -- the files with the highest GENERATIONs will be retained.a   --K     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:40:32 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>* Subject: Re: VMS source listings omittings5 Message-ID: <20010326144032.7112.qmail@nym.alias.net>d  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  G On 25 Mar 2001, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.412538.killspam.015a (Wayne Sewell)  wrote:3 >In article <99kkl6$pjj$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>, Roar,7 >=?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> writes:- >- >>  @ >> Redesign of Unix and Windows might not be that easy, or what? >> @ >o >iK >You can't *re*design something that was never designed in the first place.s  I Why bother designing anything when the customer can be convinced that the-/ prototype is the best thing since sliced bread.H  7 Coming soon (a candidate for next year's Oscars?) . . .R    3                  Windoze 2001, a Marketing Odyssey.      And from The Q?v  ,                          Plan 9 for OpenVMS.       Doc.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----  Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBOr54csriC3SGiziTAQGYyAgAqVi8BCJ/qMwT3XtMuPv6Q4WamhOkpQm2@ Igg4ctOxGKZs3brxtkREflpAcn91Ao00yi7UzoMdWCiamiOGeoM9hcia5Dd7r/tr@ 1eurdXNjp5iSL10Hv473S59wn99lHOnUssrv+ThLtv4ucUvlKt+llkdW78idpEeH@ VXgnCLlI9WkAZ7yhhScv/k6HXKF4l0S3vxZaPd9iJBTq1mgnl5RkSUAedCA0I2U2@ Wsh7RocYiyAW6iiN/ruLJZtLyDZq+Uk+vBCUeCZKdWpbxV9MVUdzT4lXBEznM9Yn8 MBvKAZ8+eA63Wo2lcV0NHVx/7dvC0AmuE+nGbOrEDOCYWgs9wvJqHw== =kc1sw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 23:45:36 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>* Subject: Re: VMS source listings omittings- Message-ID: <87itkwr0tb.fsf@prep.synonet.com>0  6 Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:  9 > Coming soon (a candidate for next year's Oscars?) . . .5 > 7 > >                  Windoze 2001, a Marketing Odyssey.g >  > And from The Q?a > . >                          Plan 9 for OpenVMS.  D And a free copy of the original Edwood Woodwood(?) version for those who need something better... :)    -- i< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.p@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:41:58 +0100s* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>* Subject: Re: VMS source listings omittings, Message-ID: <99nv1e$1b9a@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  A "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message0/ news:20010326144032.7112.qmail@nym.alias.net...R   >    Plan 9 for OpenVMSr  ; I doubt AT&T (or Lucent or whatever) would appreciate that.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:41:52 +0000'  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com8 Subject: What is a 'code tree' in relation to MAXBOBMEM?/ Message-ID: <00256A1B.005BBA7E.00@quegw01.btyp>    cc:o bcc:L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza  / What is a 'code tree' in relation to MAXBOBMEM?g    L I have a problem on one of my nodes [8400 w/ V7.1-2 and ORACLE] where we areO getting EXBUFOBJLM errors. We have to increase MAXBOBMEM and MAXBOBS0S1 but thePP algorithm used in the DSN article related to this tells us that it should be set to;-  : GBLPAGES + (22000 * <code trees>) + (2 * <total SGA size>)  H So I wonder what are our code trees, and how do I find how many we have?   Steve Spires     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beL confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has beenP addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or use this transmission.  L Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee is notH intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received thisF transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.  
 Thank you.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 13:14:44 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>p0 Subject: Re: Where is the Alpha instruction set?H Message-ID: <y4bsqo6au3.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  N There is a compiler writer's guide for the 21264 - IIRC, it contains a listing of all instructions.   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2001 15:33:47 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> 5 Subject: Re: Will the VIOC be fixed in VMS Alpha 7.3?bH Message-ID: <y47l1cods4.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  H ...and I see the misaligned output has been fixed, as per my comp.os.vms  suggestion some time back 8-|...   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 06:02:16 +0200P From: bob.marcan@aster.siO Subject: Re: WINE and Emulatione( Message-ID: <3ABEBF48.9E639C0D@aster.si>   http://porting.openoffice.org/     Tony Scandora wrote: > 8 > "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com> wrote in message$ > news:3AB77E64.7E0BEBF7@mmaz.com... > > ...iH > > I must have missed what prompted this message, but I'm guessing that	 > someonedL > > wanted to run MS Office products on a VMS system.  Wouldn't it make more
 > sense toL > > expend energies migrating something like StarOffice to run native on VMS > ratherM > > than attempting to emulate a X86 in turn to run Windows (which is flakey)E > to run > > Office (which is a pig)? > M > That would certainly make sense to me.  Considering the influence Linux and K > its friends such as GNOME have had on commercial UNIX vendors, a de-facto F > standard desktop environment is developing for non-Windows desktops.L > Anything VMS can do to join in would help its market acceptance, as addingK > an increasingly popular user environment does not take anything away fromtF > what we know as VMS.  DECwrite, WPS, and MASS-11 are not going to beM > revived.  I run Office and a fine X Windows product that handles DECwindowsrN > well on a real PC worth <$1000, monitor excluded.  That gives me both Office, > and VMS in their own natural environments. > E > I cannot imagine significant demand for Office on Windows on an X68-N > emulator.  On the other hand, .doc and .xls files are necessary.  StarOfficeJ > might be a reasonable way for Linux users to handle them without runningM > Microsoft products.  If it gets cleaned up and becomes popular in the LinuxpG > and commercial UNIX community, it could add significant value to VMS.N > 3 > Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541a > scandora@cmt.anl.gov   -- h@  Bob Marcan                           mailto:bob.marcan@aster.si?  Aster                                tel:    +386 (1) 5894-329r?  Nade Ovcakove 1                      fax:    +386 (1) 5894-201 @  1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia                    http://www.aster.si   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:05:00 +0100t% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>-$ Subject: Re: [DCL] minute of the day8 Message-ID: <a91ubtol7dtjdlf12navqqs8lua2u822ms@4ax.com>  E On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:59:35 +0100, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote:    >aQ >There was a story many years ago that the operators on an ICL (GEORGE ?) system nR >were amazed to see a Happy New Year banner appear on the console at the start of T >the new year. The customer was pretty upset when they worked out the amount of cpu H >per year that simple date test soaked up - IIRC it was quite expensive.  F I think that was also the system at the Science Museum in London whichA managed to swear at kiddies in the 70s.  There was a program kidsh? could type their names into and it would produce a personalizedwF certificate. To stop people typing rude words in it had a naughty wordE filter. Unfortunately someone overflowed its input buffer one day andnF it crashed with a partial core dump containing all of the swear words.& Little Johnny's mother was not amused.     >___ >Paul Stures >Switzerland   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:08:19 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>n$ Subject: Re: [DCL] minute of the day8 Message-ID: <5l1ubtkf7i2s1c5l822cqdcjae273bhvqc@4ax.com>  E On 24 Mar 2001 07:08:34 CDT, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.412538.killspam.015a0 (Wayne Sewell) wrote:t  i >In article <OF7DFE7B83.56AFC72E-ON88256A18.0064AF01@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:.J >> I read somewhere that one of the early HPs had a tape drive that whinedI >> different notes depending on the operation it was doing. Apparently at K >> least one of them played "Auld Lang Syne" (sp?) at midnight on new year,b0 >> much to the surprise of the operator on duty. >DP >On one old school system I dealt with, can't remember whether it was the 1130 IO >played the joke on or the 360 at East Texas State, the operators found that ifvJ >you placed a radio next to the CPU, tones would come out of it as the CPUP >ground away.   The tones changed according to what the CPU was doing.   I heardN >it myself.  The operators learned to recognize patterns.  For instance, "it'sL >doing a fortran compile right now", or "it's executing <some-application>". >r >cM >It wasn't long before somebody figured out how to play tunes on the radio bydI >executing instructions in a particular sequence.  They had a dozen or sod8 >programs that would play a particular song if executed.  E There was definitely an old DECUS tape program for the PDP-10 (KA-10) C which did just that. You input the tune and it played it on a radio      >Wayne   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:56:59 -0500i# From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> $ Subject: Re: [DCL] minute of the day+ Message-ID: <3ABF58BB.327E5FC8@hsc.vcu.edu>r  + Hey Shane, sounds like you had a blast!!!!!e   jimn  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > K > You can still get away with a lot in England, largely because Brits don't-K > call in the law as readily. I once blew up a statistics lecturer in frontHG > of an auditorium full of students....... (Before you ask, yes, he didA$ > deserve it, no I didn't hurt him.) >  > Shane  > G > wayne@tachysoft.xxx.412538.killspam.015a (Wayne Sewell) on 03/23/2001r
 > 03:07:28 PM< >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComS > cc:m > ' > Subject:  Re: [DCL] minute of the dayn > E > In article <he4mbtoo2otfh7usbjrm46ssvm44tqapid@4ax.com>, Alan Greige > <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:I > > On 22 Mar 2001 20:56:56 CDT, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.412538.killspam.015al > > (Wayne Sewell) wrote:t > I > >>Admittedly, this was a fairly primitive operating system (this was ina	 > 1971 orhG > >>so) and rather easy to simulate, but what the hey.  It was a lot ofa > laughs for > >>not that much code.a > >eJ > > Of course now no distinction is made between a bit  of fun and genuineH > > destructive damage. You'd probably get 5 years behind bars for doing > > that today.f > J > Well, you can kind of understand that attitude.  Nobody ever seems to doG > harmless pranks any more.  Destruction, chaos, and theft is the norm.  > Theses' > hacker/cracker types are a nasty lot.n > H > Of course, even back in 71, those guys would probably have been rather	 > annoyedrK > with me if they had known I was the perpetrator.  Fortunately, they nevers > had auH > clue what was happening, much less who did it.  They thought it was anG > intermittent bug in the operating system, even though that was a rarek" > occurrence in the pre-billy era. >  > --Q > ===============================================================================a > : > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738 > wayne@tachysoft.xxxe: > http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.htmlM > change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)eQ > ===============================================================================d > J > Dean Wormer to Flounder: "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through > life."   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:17:58 -0500d& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: [DCL] minute of the day4 Message-ID: <4TJv6.33$qO6.1587@wagner.videotron.net>  E For the faithful ones still working on a VT terminal, try to TYPE them attached text file.pI It`s complicated like hell, so don`t try to read it unless you are a real 8 expert on escape sequences, but you`ll see what it does.L On some terminals the effect is easier to see when you select reverse colors (dark text, light screen).8 BTW, it`s no virus! $ SET TER/INQ to get back to normal.  B I don`t think it`s supported on the emulators that run on peecees.   --   Syltrem   http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem  ? "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> a crit dans le message news:3- a91ubtol7dtjdlf12navqqs8lua2u822ms@4ax.com... G > On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:59:35 +0100, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote:  >o > >gK > >There was a story many years ago that the operators on an ICL (GEORGE ?)p systemJ > >were amazed to see a Happy New Year banner appear on the console at the start ofG > >the new year. The customer was pretty upset when they worked out thes
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