1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 28 Mar 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 174       Contents: 3rd party DLT drives$ Re: Accessing OpenVMS from Mac OS X? Re: Alpha LAN Console  Re: Alpha LAN Console  Re: Alpha LAN Console  Re: Alpha LAN Console < Re: Alpha or Vax has to check if a Sun server is still alive< Re: Alpha or Vax has to check if a Sun server is still alive< Re: Alpha or Vax has to check if a Sun server is still alive@ Re: Alpha or Vax has to check if a Sun server is still alive HOW' Re: Anyone recognize part # 30-48115-02 ' Re: Anyone recognize part # 30-48115-02 # Re: BACKUP image restores not valid # Re: BACKUP image restores not valid # Re: BACKUP image restores not valid # Re: BACKUP image restores not valid # Re: BACKUP image restores not valid  booting from fibre channel RE: booting from fibre channel RE: booting from fibre channel Re: booting from fibre channel Re: booting from fibre channel Re: Dave Cutler and his art  Re: Dave Cutler and his art  DCE 3.0 for OpenVMS AXP  Re: DCE 3.0 for OpenVMS AXP  Re: dsn 6 Field test V5.00-1 of CXML for OpenVMS Alpha available9 Is there a relationship between MAXBOBMEM and CHANNELCNT?  LK450 question looking for files  Re: looking for files  Re: looking for files  Re: looking for files  Re: looking for files  Meet us on Wine Alley  Re: Meet us on Wine Alley  Re: NSA and storage works? Re: OpenVMS Educational Program  Problems with CSWS and CGI-BIN Re: Pure Gold!!  157 Re: Reading UDF CDs  Re: Reading UDF CDs  Re: Reading UDF CDs  Re: Reading UDF CDs  Re: Reading UDF CDs  Re: Reading UDF CDs  Re: SDA fc command doc. + SDL Structure/Interface Definition Language 0 Secondary Page File/what happens if disk is lost4 Re: Secondary Page File/what happens if disk is lost4 Re: Secondary Page File/what happens if disk is lost4 Re: Secondary Page File/what happens if disk is lost& Re: Seeking Alpha system (Netherlands)& Re: Seeking Alpha system (Netherlands)= Re: Source listing do NOT coincide with the operating system. = Re: Source listing do NOT coincide with the operating system. = Re: Source listing do NOT coincide with the operating system.  Re: speeding up shadow merges ) Re: Strange message on boot with 7.3 EFT2  Sybase DB on OpenVMS AXP Re: Sybase DB on OpenVMS AXP VAX market value Re: VAX market value Re: VAX market value RE: VAX market value Re: VAX market value Re: VAX market value RE: VAX market value Re: VAX market value Re: VAX market value Re: VAX market value Re: VAX market value Re: VAX market value- Re: VMS 8byte datetime > Unix datetime - help ) Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job ) Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job ) Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job ) Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job ) Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job ) Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job ) Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job ) Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job ) Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job , VMS: DECNet to TCP/IP migration help wanted.0 Re: VMS: DECNet to TCP/IP migration help wanted.0 Re: VMS: DECNet to TCP/IP migration help wanted.0 Re: VMS: DECNet to TCP/IP migration help wanted.0 Re: VMS: DECNet to TCP/IP migration help wanted.0 Re: VMS: DECNet to TCP/IP migration help wanted. RE: Vol Shadow / Bound Vol Sets % Re: Which lexical use to align data ? C Re: Which lexical use to align data ?  [Scanned by Yell	PostMaster] & [Q] param to increase for unsuff SPTE?* Re: [Q] param to increase for unsuff SPTE?* Re: [Q] param to increase for unsuff SPTE?* Re: [Q] param to increase for unsuff SPTE?* Re: [Q] param to increase for unsuff SPTE?* Re: [Q] param to increase for unsuff SPTE?* Re: [Q] param to increase for unsuff SPTE?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2001 18:28:19 GMT From: ewilts@mediaone.net  Subject: 3rd party DLT drives * Message-ID: <99tag3$bi8$1@news.netmar.com>  K I'm looking at replacing my existing TZ88 drives (20/40GB) with either TZ89 B (35/70) or TZ90 (40/80) drives.  Compaq's TZ90 variant seems to beM significantly higher priced than 3rd party drives even though the innards are  all made by Quantum.  F Does anyone have any good/bad experiences with non-Compaq drives - ie, without M the Compaq/DEC firmware?  How does Backup behave differently, if at all, with L these other drives?  Other than hardware support issues, is there any reason) these days to buy a Compaq-branded drive?    Thanks, 	    .../Ed         O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  ----- M   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups I    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts L made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:01:21 +0200 , From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>- Subject: Re: Accessing OpenVMS from Mac OS X? & Message-ID: <3AC1A861.BC8B01EC@gmx.ch>   "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > N > Anyone got any suggestions for X-Windows?  Under 8.6 I was using eXodus 6.2,# > since it won't run under MacOS 9,   L I use eXodus on my iBook 9.0.4 all day (not today because I sold it to buy a Titanium instead)    D.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2001 04:51:03 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Alpha LAN Console- Message-ID: <87vgov5420.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   0 Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> writes:   > Paul Repacholi wrote:   / > > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:   B > > > Any idea if Compaq will launch a LAN Console card for AlphasF > > > like the Compaq Remote Insight Board - RIB or the HP LAN Console	 > > > ???   5 > > Will? It has been on several systems for years...   C > Could you give the product name and a quick explanation of how it  > works?  thanks.   C The one I know is on the 4100, and is a separately powerable serial D IO module. A etter pointer is the one in the GS160s etc. The detailsA for that are in docs on the Q's web site on the console for them.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  , Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:01:55 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: Alpha LAN ConsoleJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103281155560.12670-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  % On 28 Mar 2001, Paul Repacholi wrote:   1 +Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> writes:  +  +> Paul Repacholi wrote: + 0 +> > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes: + C +> > > Any idea if Compaq will launch a LAN Console card for Alphas +                                         ***  [...] 6 +> > Will? It has been on several systems for years... + D +> Could you give the product name and a quick explanation of how it +> works?  thanks. + D +The one I know is on the 4100, and is a separately powerable serial9 +IO module. A etter pointer is the one in the GS160s etc.   ?  I am misunderstanding something or you really describe *other* 9 functionality (will suspect the SCM console controller) ? B  As I understand the question - it is like: "how connect directly $ thru *LAN*", not thru *serial* port.<  AFAIK the product is named "terminal server plus one serial cable" (to console) ;) !    Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:46:11 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br  Subject: Re: Alpha LAN ConsoleL Message-ID: <OFEA9B16B5.79B624B0-ON03256A1D.003AD359@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  E This works in HP L-1000 server for example.  It is a LAN board with a  serial connection too, whichI permit us to telnet to the GSP (HP equivalent to SRM) console for PA-RISC  servers....   H It looks like telneting to a IP address and connecting to the SRM prompt  ... but there is password before etc !   K Of course it works only with ascii emulation, but is usefull to reconfigure  the servers in far places.E Like the Compaqs RIB in Proliant servers ! The company is planning to  change all the oil rigs servers @ (industrial computers) to Proliants only because of this board..   Reg    FC        ? Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> em 27/03/2001 16:29:58              Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com        Assunto: Re: Alpha LAN Console         Paul Repacholi wrote:   - > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:  > E > > Any idea if Compaq will launch a LAN Console card for Alphas like C > > the Compaq Remote Insight Board - RIB or the HP LAN Console ???  > 3 > Will? It has been on several systems for years...  >   A Could you give the product name and a quick explanation of how it  works?  thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:36:59 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: Re: Alpha LAN ConsoleH Message-ID: <OF3B19D526.A6771673-ON80256A1D.0044D319@qedi.quintiles.com>  J I understand that with the Proliants you can even do an "Operating system"G installation on the remote server via the board and using your local CD D drive (i.e. the one on the PC that you are typing at) as the source.K Effectively Fabio could get a new server delivered to an oil rig.  Then get J someone to plug in a network connection to the console board and configureH a disk in the system itself and from the CD on his desktop do a complete install.I Saves his AirMiles for when he goes on holiday (although he won't get the : AirMiles since he won't need to go anywhere to do Proliant installations......)   Steve.   Fabio wrote:B >>>Of course it works only with ascii emulation, but is usefull to reconfigure  the servers in far places.E Like the Compaqs RIB in Proliant servers ! The company is planning to  change all the oil rigs servers C (industrial computers) to Proliants only because of this board..<<<    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:51:34 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> E Subject: Re: Alpha or Vax has to check if a Sun server is still alive 8 Message-ID: <3d93ctc08mdqcec3she1fhcac3t44jhnne@4ax.com>  3 On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:53:12 +0100, andrew harrison ! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:    >WILLIAM WEBB wrote: >>  " >> I prefer negative verification. >>  7 >> Send it a "ping of death" and see if it's NOT there.  >>  	 >> WWWebb  >>   > 2 >A poor test since Solaris isn't vunerable to POD. > . >Send POD to an unpatched OpenVMS box and you ) >will find that the OpenVMS box suddenly  
 >isn't there.   F If this is the original NT (and archaic BSD stacks) ping of death thenF I tried it on Windows, VMS and a few Unix systems when I first saw it." and only the Windows systems died.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:07:15 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>E Subject: Re: Alpha or Vax has to check if a Sun server is still alive * Message-ID: <3AC1C5E3.856F6912@uk.sun.com>   Alan Greig wrote:  > 5 > On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:53:12 +0100, andrew harrison # > <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:  >  > >WILLIAM WEBB wrote: > >>$ > >> I prefer negative verification. > >>9 > >> Send it a "ping of death" and see if it's NOT there.  > >> > >> WWWebb  > >> > > 4 > >A poor test since Solaris isn't vunerable to POD. > > / > >Send POD to an unpatched OpenVMS box and you * > >will find that the OpenVMS box suddenly > >isn't there.  > H > If this is the original NT (and archaic BSD stacks) ping of death thenH > I tried it on Windows, VMS and a few Unix systems when I first saw it.$ > and only the Windows systems died. >   : OpenVMS "UCX" was vunerable however as the Compaq response to the CERT advisory details.   = One thing to remember is that some ping implimentations would 9 not allow you to generate POD. This sadly wasn't the case " for the Win32 ping implimentation. > -- > Alan   --   Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:21:38 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> E Subject: Re: Alpha or Vax has to check if a Sun server is still alive 8 Message-ID: <9br3cto0pc2vs6143h89v9chiu8pme85e9@4ax.com>  3 On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:07:15 +0100, andrew harrison ! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:      > ; >OpenVMS "UCX" was vunerable however as the Compaq response  >to the CERT advisory details.    F I tried the Ping of Death against VMS systems all running UCX both VAX@ and Alpha at the time. The only systems which died were NT (blueE screened immediately). Windows 95 and 3.1 died slowly - ie IP stopped E working instantly and the machines died completely shortly afterwards B if you continued to try and use them. A fix was made available for@ Intel/NT very quickly but we had to wait some time for a fix forC Alpha/NT systems. Perhaps it caused problems with older versions of < UCX but certainly not with the current versions at the time.   > > >One thing to remember is that some ping implimentations would: >not allow you to generate POD. This sadly wasn't the case# >for the Win32 ping implimentation.   C I'm surprised by this as there was nothing invalid about the source F code to generate this. Strange but not invalid. We tried generating onD VMS, NT, several Unix systems and all sent the packet. As the seniorC systems analyst at the university at the time I created a protected F executable on a VMS system and gave access to  all the local admins toB check it against their machines at a suitable time and report backB fast (as per CERT advice at the time). We could not afford to waitB until students got their hands on it and tried. That's why I am so( certain what it hurt and what it didn't.   >> --  >> Alan    -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:01:23 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>I Subject: Re: Alpha or Vax has to check if a Sun server is still alive HOW * Message-ID: <3AC218E3.66B1BB97@uk.sun.com>   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote: > =    > anonymous wrote:H > > I need to check every hour if a Sun station is still up and running.J > > And if not than the DCL procedure should page or sms or something lik= e that.  > > But how do I start,  > > J > > Should I try a ping every hour, or and rsh command or an rlogin comma= nd. J > > Has anyone done this before, and if so can you email me what you have=  done.D > > I think it is not that difficult but I dont know where to start, > =     D How about rpcinfo, if you specify the host name of the Sun it will =  " talk to the portmapper on the Sun.  @ Checking the exit status of your rpcinfo request will tell you =  < from a script if Solaris and the portmapper on Solaris are =  
 running. =    ? If the portmapper isn't running then you are in trouble anyway.   % I assume that rpcinfo is part of UCX.    Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:59:29 +0200 , From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>0 Subject: Re: Anyone recognize part # 30-48115-02& Message-ID: <3AC1A7F1.926A2695@gmx.ch>  L You would have been able to go there but you will today find only a 404 (the famous Columbo's French car)   D. (from www.alltheweb.com)  # 1  DIGITAL Parts and Parts Exchange H        Updated: 28 August 1999 DIGITAL Parts and Parts Exchange 30 CLASS" Purchased Parts PART LIST EXCHANGEO        WARRANTY NUMBER DESCRIPTION PRICE E/U BP PRICE VALUE 30-10638-01 ENCODER  LINEAR BLOCKJ        $236.00 Y Z $35.00 30-10638-03 BULB ASSY, POTTED $121.00 Y Z $18.006        http://www.digital.com/info/DAHOME/das07mhm.htm   > Dean Woodward wrote: > > 5 > > DEC 2 channel RAID controller, part # 30-48115-02  > > D > > If anyone knows what this is (and, especially, if VMS likes it),B > > I'd appreciate it.  (A quick check of Compaq's main site turns* > > up null; I'm unsure where else to go.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:50:24 +0100t  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com0 Subject: Re: Anyone recognize part # 30-48115-02H Message-ID: <OF15406BF6.7F1BEC4D-ON80256A1D.0067791F@qedi.quintiles.com>  D If it starts with FR then it would be a PeeCee product would it not?4 The FR-PCTAR-IC is supported with Linux though...... Steve.   Jeff Campbell wrote :  >>>i@ I believe this is an FR-PCTAR-xx, which is a non-VMS controller.   Dean Woodward wrote:3 > DEC 2 channel RAID controller, part # 30-48115-02  <<<4   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:34:31 +0200o2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>, Subject: Re: BACKUP image restores not valid+ Message-ID: <3AC1BE37.77152783@digital.com>c  ! From memory of a similar problem:l. On the V7.2 system, initialize the disks with &   /STRUCT=2 /CLUSTER=<something small>- (If possible have <something small> equal thee original V5.5-2 value or less.( And then restore the backup with /NOINIT     Stanley F. Quayle wrote: > F > I have a tape which has images of two disks from a VMS 5.5-2 system.A > The tapes were made with standalone backup on the 5.5-2 system.k > C > I then did an image restore to two new disks.  The image restoresnE > were done on a VAX 7.2 system.  Attempting to mount the disks underS > VMS 5.5-2 gives the error: > 7 > %MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure level  > D > If I attempt to boot the system disk, it gets as far as displaying? > the VMS version, and then dies with some hex error codes that ) > indicate that the disk is inaccessible.u > 
 > What gives?i >  > --Stan >  > ----------I > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671 3 > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 ? > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comt   -- eE ---------------------------------------------------------------------)E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.o? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*rF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------A -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----l Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------A   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:45:29 -0500e* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>, Subject: Re: BACKUP image restores not valid. Message-ID: <3AC1A4A9.16927.967C07F@localhost>  E I'm not doing an INIT.  I mount the disk /FOREIGN, and then play the rD backup with /IMAGE.  That should replicate the disk exactly, but it  doesn't.  $ > >From memory of a similar problem:0 > On the V7.2 system, initialize the disks with ( >   /STRUCT=2 /CLUSTER=<something small>/ > (If possible have <something small> equal theP  > original V5.5-2 value or less.* > And then restore the backup with /NOINIT >  >  > Stanley F. Quayle wrote: > > H > > I have a tape which has images of two disks from a VMS 5.5-2 system.C > > The tapes were made with standalone backup on the 5.5-2 system.e > > E > > I then did an image restore to two new disks.  The image restores[G > > were done on a VAX 7.2 system.  Attempting to mount the disks under  > > VMS 5.5-2 gives the error: > > 9 > > %MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure level  > > F > > If I attempt to boot the system disk, it gets as far as displayingA > > the VMS version, and then dies with some hex error codes thato+ > > indicate that the disk is inaccessible.- > >  > > What gives?-   --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671r1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147a= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com4   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:53:09 -0500a- From: John Reagan <reagan@hiyall.zko.dec.com>n, Subject: Re: BACKUP image restores not valid1 Message-ID: <3AC1A675.97D7BD8@hiyall.zko.dec.com>/   Mike Rechtman wrote: > # > From memory of a similar problem:q/ > On the V7.2 system, initialize the disks withy( >   /STRUCT=2 /CLUSTER=<something small>/ > (If possible have <something small> equal thee  > original V5.5-2 value or less.* > And then restore the backup with /NOINIT  E I think Mike has it slightly backwards.  I suspect that you have usedWH rather large disks and BACKUP init'd them with a similar cluster-size asF the original disk.  However, this made the BITMAP.SYS file too big forF the V5.5-2 system to handle.  Just INIT it on your V7.2 system.  INIT,G by default, for /STRUCT=2 (also the default) will make the cluster size,D large enough for an older version of OpenVMS to mount.  You actuallyH have to ask for a small cluster size (or ask for /STRUCT=5) to get smallB cluster sizes on the large disk.  Then restore with /NOINIT on the BACKUP command.W  E Do a HELP INIT /CLUSTER_SIZE for more info on the algorithms.  With acD 18GB disk on my system, INIT used a 35 block cluster size to keep it* readable with an older version of OpenVMS.   -- - John Reagan- Compaq Pascal Project Leader   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2001 08:10 CSTu' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) , Subject: Re: BACKUP image restores not valid- Message-ID: <28MAR200108100471@gerg.tamu.edu>a  b In article <3AC1BE37.77152783@digital.com>, Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> writes..." }From memory of a similar problem:/ }On the V7.2 system, initialize the disks with -' }  /STRUCT=2 /CLUSTER=<something small> . }(If possible have <something small> equal the }original V5.5-2 value or less.o) }And then restore the backup with /NOINIT   E This is backwards: in V7.2 you can specify a cluster size that is tooy? small. You need to make it bigger. You should specify a clusterGC size that is at least as big as the minimum for a disk of that sizeh using the old small bitmap.   : See HELP INIT/CLUSTER for the formula, and also this note:  (                                     NOTE  A         For Version 7.2, you can specify a cluster size for ODS-2aC         volumes smaller than allowed by the ODS-2 formula. However,-=         if you try to mount this volume on a system running aC@         version prior to 7.2, the mount fails with the following         error:  ?           %MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure level0  @         If you choose the default during the initialization of aB         Files-11 On-Disk Structure Level 2 (ODS-2) disk, your disk4         can be mounted on prior versions of OpenVMS.    E I would guess that the new disk is a lot bigger than the old disk butfE you are retaining the formatting, specifically the cluster size. ThatWC cluster size is too small to be useable by a pre 7.2 system. If youvE want to do this, you'll have to discard the saved initialization data.F (/NOINIT on the restore) and manually initialize the disk with a value+ that is valid for the older version of VMS.   	 --- Carl c   }Stanley F. Quayle wrote:sG }> I have a tape which has images of two disks from a VMS 5.5-2 system. B }> The tapes were made with standalone backup on the 5.5-2 system. }> hD }> I then did an image restore to two new disks.  The image restoresF }> were done on a VAX 7.2 system.  Attempting to mount the disks under }> VMS 5.5-2 gives the error:- }> =8 }> %MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure level }> =E }> If I attempt to boot the system disk, it gets as far as displayingL@ }> the VMS version, and then dies with some hex error codes that* }> indicate that the disk is inaccessible. }> = }> What gives? }> =	 }> --Stan  }> -
 }> -----------J }> Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-16714 }> 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147@ }> Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com }  }-- F }---------------------------------------------------------------------F }Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.@ }Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*G }Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  hC }  "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"eF }---------------------------------------------------------------------  }-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
 }Version: 3.1a; }GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$r7 }PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@   }------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:38:12 -0500 (EST)i From: vms@ftp.stanq.com:, Subject: Re: BACKUP image restores not validE Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103280836060.10528-100000@ftp.stanq.com>a  G > I would guess that the new disk is a lot bigger than the old disk butRG > you are retaining the formatting, specifically the cluster size. ThatbE > cluster size is too small to be useable by a pre 7.2 system. If younG > want to do this, you'll have to discard the saved initialization data-H > (/NOINIT on the restore) and manually initialize the disk with a value- > that is valid for the older version of VMS.o  J Exactly right.  The old disk is a RZ25 (0.5 GB), and I'm restoring it on a
 2 GB disk.   Thanks for everyone's help.c   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:58:03 GMTh& From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com># Subject: booting from fibre channelt< Message-ID: <vKow6.9101$eX4.1230392@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>  6 I seem to get a different answer each time I ask this:  J Can an Alpha VMS system (GS140 or ES40) with VMS 7.2-1 boot off of a fibre
 channel disk?r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:43:45 +0200e From: zessin@decus.del' Subject: RE: booting from fibre channelh+ Message-ID: <009F9B47.DD56BB10.14@decus.de>n   "john nixon" wrote:t8 > I seem to get a different answer each time I ask this:   Oh, yes. Welcome to the club.e  L > Can an Alpha VMS system (GS140 or ES40) with VMS 7.2-1 boot off of a fibre > channel disk?   O I've booted multiple ES40 and AlphaServer 800 from disks behind a HSG-80(pair). K GS140, I don't know. I tend to trust only my own experiences in the storageeK field - I have heard too much claims during the past months that turned outc not to be true.a   --
 Uwe Zessin   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:58:45 +0100n5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com>w' Subject: RE: booting from fibre channeloN Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116D551@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>  ; This was asked a while ago and the answer is yes (sort of).>  E If the disk has vms already then you need to use wwidmgr at the alpha A console to present the disk to vms, then set bootpaths and voila.h  J If the disk is to be installed with vms then I don't think so as there areJ no fibre drivers native to the 7.2-1 CD, you have to install it to a local* scsi disk, path then copy over, see below.  J If you want to see the fibre disk in standalone then you need to patch theL main sys disk with fibre_scsi_v0400 then ideally build standalone on a smallK local scsi disk or a small fibre disk.  This will then allow you to see the F fibre disks in a min boot.  The alternative is the vms 7.2-1h1 CD that contains the fibre drivers.2   Regards, 	Olivero  ( Compaq SAN support (when I feel like it)   -----Original Message-----+ From: john nixon [mailto:jnixon@cfl.rr.com] ' Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 5:58 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com># Subject: booting from fibre channels    6 I seem to get a different answer each time I ask this:  J Can an Alpha VMS system (GS140 or ES40) with VMS 7.2-1 boot off of a fibre
 channel disk?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:23:09 +0200h, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.n0spam.nl>' Subject: Re: booting from fibre channely= Message-ID: <3ac22bd2$0$149$1a0eedbc@dreader2.news.xs4all.nl>o  K Although I can't speak for a GS140, I am sure about the ES40: yes, you can.m  	 Bart Zorn   1 "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in messagen6 news:vKow6.9101$eX4.1230392@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...8 > I seem to get a different answer each time I ask this: >nL > Can an Alpha VMS system (GS140 or ES40) with VMS 7.2-1 boot off of a fibre > channel disk?0 >  >m   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:23:56 GMTk& From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com>' Subject: Re: booting from fibre channel@< Message-ID: <0%pw6.9613$eX4.1274281@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>  J I wonder if it could be a similar problem that prevents us from seeing IDEJ drives on the second controller on our DS10s when we boot from CD.  We canL see them fine when booting VMS from the system disk. We are dreading the day6 when we have to restore the OS to our FIS system disk.  @ "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> wrote in messageH news:F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116D551@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net...= > This was asked a while ago and the answer is yes (sort of).r >nG > If the disk has vms already then you need to use wwidmgr at the alphasC > console to present the disk to vms, then set bootpaths and voila.e >iL > If the disk is to be installed with vms then I don't think so as there areL > no fibre drivers native to the 7.2-1 CD, you have to install it to a local, > scsi disk, path then copy over, see below. >nL > If you want to see the fibre disk in standalone then you need to patch theH > main sys disk with fibre_scsi_v0400 then ideally build standalone on a smallNI > local scsi disk or a small fibre disk.  This will then allow you to seel thetH > fibre disks in a min boot.  The alternative is the vms 7.2-1h1 CD that > contains the fibre drivers.e >c
 > Regards, > Oliver >a* > Compaq SAN support (when I feel like it) >r > -----Original Message------ > From: john nixon [mailto:jnixon@cfl.rr.com]n) > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 5:58 PMd > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % > Subject: booting from fibre channel- >  >A8 > I seem to get a different answer each time I ask this: >eL > Can an Alpha VMS system (GS140 or ES40) with VMS 7.2-1 boot off of a fibre > channel disk?A >a >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:44:18 +0100.% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>r$ Subject: Re: Dave Cutler and his art8 Message-ID: <tk83ct06n5i4nrlsvkkjped2n19lorvkmf@4ax.com>  B On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:23:33 +0200, "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch> wrote:   >maybe a stupid question:o >o9 >Is this the Dave Cutler which worked for former Digital?d  B This question has come up before. It would seem unlikely that Dave? Cutler could manage to still head the Windows 64 bit project at F Microsoft and be an artist based in London. Quite probably the painterE Dave Cutler knows of the other Dave Cutler and plays on this. But whok knows...   >regards >  >Jakob >c >g9 >"GreyCloud" <wholland@tscnet.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag J >news:78E97534CEAD5C87.E1FADC86A609B0EF.8056D4C57AE5B7C1@lp.airnews.net... >>J >> Can anyone provide the URL to one of Dave Cutlers painting of the BSOD? >> (Blue Screen of Death). >    -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:08:30 +0100-- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>m$ Subject: Re: Dave Cutler and his art) Message-ID: <3AC1D43E.9AA9097A@bbc.co.uk>-   Christopher Smith wrote:   >2 >6N > You know, I was thinking about writing a response along the lines of "That'sM > what you get for buying a piece of USB garbage that you must _know_ doesn'tDI > have drivers for anything but windows..."  But then I thought he'll getr > enough of that anyway. :)S >u  L Thanks for the vote of confidence, Chris:-). Actually, I am sure the pile of junk7 has a hardware fault now. If I had a home VMS system...0  --$6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukl  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of, MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:05:44 +0200r$ From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch>  Subject: DCE 3.0 for OpenVMS AXP Message-ID: <3ac1b779$1@hcwe67>1   Hello,  J Compaq just released a new version of DCE. DCE 3.0 (OSF version 1.2.2). Is? there anybody out there, who is going to use this product, too?F   best regards   Jakobf   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2001 13:10:43 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: Re: DCE 3.0 for OpenVMS AXP* Message-ID: <3ac1d4c3$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  F In article <3ac1b779$1@hcwe67>, "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch> writes:K >Compaq just released a new version of DCE. DCE 3.0 (OSF version 1.2.2). Is @ >there anybody out there, who is going to use this product, too?   If I do, only as a hobbyist.  H OSF/DCE is IMO a developers tool kit (with some extensions) and is as is, not useable for a system integrator/manager.  H OSF/DME is IMO _the_ product which makes a U**X deritative to a real andE open/standard operating system. But unfortunately DME was dead beforeV arrival so U**X is still ...  ( OSF/DCE on VMS has also the problem thatI 1) DTS is not neccessary. DECdts was there for years and NTP is there tooaB 2) CDS is not neccessary, DECdns and X.500/DAP was there for years 				and LDAP will be there soondD 3) ACL are not new, they were all there for many years native in VMSM 4) DFS is still not implemented (and LanMan is also now the defacto standard)    DCE is dead in many forms.J eg. My wife used to be a accredited OSF DCE trainer, but since years (IIRCK since V1.2) there has been no interest for her classes. I know also of sometK DCE programs, but none of them did get created in the last say three years.   C Yes, OSF DCE should exist and be improved for OpenVMS (and it does)EE but don't expect a killer application for DCE. Only if LINUX gets DCE N for free included things might change again, but I doubt (think of CDE vs KDE)   -- .< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888a< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2001 08:58:29 GMT) From: mike.price@nospam@littlewoods.co.uk- Subject: Re: dsn* Message-ID: <99s93l$p4l$1@news.netmar.com>  L I am just (like I'm waiting for the NGneer now) putting in the fibre channel support stuff for 7.2-1.  ! just get onto the patch ftp site +5 http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/public/vms/axp/v7.2-1/-   and check out what you need-  M Specifically anything with SCSI or FIBRE in the name seems to be essential. I@H have read all the readmes and these seem to fix a shed load of problems.  L Also it looks as though you should apply all the shadowing stuff even if you4 don't use shadowing (that is just my opinion really)  M You also definatly need the UPDATE patch and the PCSI patch (these need to be  applied first)    
 I also neededt DNVOSI (devnet phase 5 I think)C TCPIPU backup cliutl driver F11x	 fibrechanv
 fibre_scsi iidriver ipch lan  mount96V qman rms  syss sysloa   But you may need more or lessO   Hope this helpsn  K sorry can't help with the phone number - We have to log things via our helpm desk :-(     Mike        O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----dM   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupsVI    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postshL made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:17:33 -0500 " From: CXML Admin <cxml@compaq.com>? Subject: Field test V5.00-1 of CXML for OpenVMS Alpha availablec* Message-ID: <3AC1D65D.19D7471E@compaq.com>  9 A field test release V5.00-1 of CXML for OpenVMS Alpha is37 available from the Compaq Math Libraries Group web sitek   	http://www.compaq.com/math   ; From the main page of the web site, follow the links to the-: download page where you can read the release notes on-line9 as well as download the kit to your system.  The kit is ac; self-extracting ZIP file of 17,230,336 bytes which contains.; a standard PSCI file.  No License Product Authorization Keyr  is required to use CXML V5.00-1.  < As with all field test (beta) software, this software should- be used in a test and evaluation environment.   7 The CXML (Compaq Extended Math Library) is a library ofs; mathematical subroutines optimized for Alpha platforms.  Ite> includes BLAS, LAPACK, sparse linear system solvers and signal processing routines.  8 Changes in this release relative to the previous release include but are not limited to  6     - improved performance, particularly for the _GEMM       routines;     - new routines for solving sparse matrix problems using        direct methods.     - removal of the "skyline" solver routines8     - addition of the SCIPORT library for IEEE floating-       point data types  3 Further details are available in the release notes.e  4 If you encounter any problems or have suggestions or9 comments, contact us directly as described in the releaseo notes and on our web site.    8 Posted to:  comp.lang.fortran, comp.os.vms, comp.sys.dec    < ------------------------------------------------------------  < The Math Libraries Group          http://www.compaq.com/math< Compaq Computer Corporation           mailto:cpml@compaq.com< 110 Spit Brook Road                   mailto:cxml@compaq.com Nashua, NH 03062 USA1   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:19:57 +0000a  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.comB Subject: Is there a relationship between MAXBOBMEM and CHANNELCNT?/ Message-ID: <00256A1D.003E43BB.00@quegw01.btyp>=   cc:i bcc:L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza  9 Is there a relationship between MAXBOBMEM and CHANNELCNT?i    > As the subject ask, is there a relationship between these two?  O My reason for asking? I made a change to CHANNELCNT on an 8400 to overcome somesK problems with backups that we were experiencing. I entered the new value in L MODPARAMS and ran AUTOGEN. I noticed that there was now a MIN_CHANNELCNT andO CHANNELCNT value in MODPARAMS, so I removed the MIN value, just leaving the newrP absolute value and ran AUTOGEN again. At a later stage I had need to look at theO value of MAXBOBMEM for a seperate problem, and looking at the history of valuessI in ALPHAVMSSYS I noticed that previous to the first AUTOGEN, the value of O MAXBOBMEM was 3200, after the first AUTOGEN [when I had MIN_CHANNELCNT=1168 andoL CHANNELCNT=10240] the value of MAXBOBMEM rose to 10000, and after the secondO AUTOGEN [when the MIN_CHANNELCNT had been commented out] the value was reset to  3200..  O I have been unable, thus far, to find any correspondence between the two in therL manual set [although I haven't read them all yet!] so wonder if anyone could shed any light on this for me.   TIA2   Steve Spires     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beL confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has beenP addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or use this transmission.  L Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee is notH intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received thisF transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.  
 Thank you.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:16:59 -0500e+ From: "Robert Feehan" <rfeehan@charter.net>o Subject: LK450 questions/ Message-ID: <tc3s89tc2e5vfe@corp.supernews.com>h  F I dusted off an LK450 to use on my PC and it still works fine. I can'tK however remember the key sequence for setting the key click. I also vaguelyaK remember there was a program one could run to set it. (This was a long time  ago so bare with me).c   Anyone able to help me?e   Email replies appreciated.   Rob     L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------' ---------------------------------------A
 Robert Feehan  rfeehan@charter.neto   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2001 12:40:35 GMT# From: bedlam702@aol.com (Bedlam702)  Subject: looking for files: Message-ID: <20010328074035.02517.00001179@ng-fq1.aol.com>  9 I am looking for some files that got lost on my machine. -   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:30:06 +0200V, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> Subject: Re: looking for files& Message-ID: <3AC1E75E.919FF4C4@gmx.ch>   $ ana/disk/rep/nocon9 recoverable files will be then in sys$sysdevice:[syslost]    D.   Bedlam702 wrote: > : > I am looking for some files that got lost on my machine.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2001 08:07:35 -0600& From: Charles Sebold <sebold@lcms.org> Subject: Re: looking for files, Message-ID: <m3d7b26l7c.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>  ) On 4 Nisan 5761, bedlam702@aol.com wrote:u  ; > I am looking for some files that got lost on my machine. a  ! Give us a little more background.o  D Also, if this is a Windows or Macintosh or Unix or other non-OpenVMS; system, please note that this is not the newsgroup for you.e -- h" Charles Sebold, Systems Specialist$ LCMS - Office of Information Systems5 *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***s5 *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***- -- 4th of Nisan, 5761 --F Irwin:  Well, from what I've read, scientific studies show men tend toB         be better at dealing with visual concepts, while women are3         better at complex linguistic communication.  AJ:     You mean...k4 Irwin:  Yup.  Men are from Macs, women are from VMS.    -- User Friendly,G       http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/99dec/19991203.html2   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:15:57 -0400o  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com Subject: Re: looking for files4 Message-ID: <C2256A1D.00530291.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  4 ...or they may be behind the copying machine...  ;-) [Rhetorical Question Mode On] A Could  there be less information given in this problem statement?  [Rhetorical Question Mode Off]        / Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch on 03/28/2001 08:30:06 AM4   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comt4 cc:    (bcc: Norm Raphael/Worcester/Neles-Jamesbury) Subject:  Re: looking for filesh         $ ana/disk/rep/nocon9 recoverable files will be then in sys$sysdevice:[syslost]-   D.   Bedlam702 wrote: >a: > I am looking for some files that got lost on my machine.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:27:20 +0100F2 From: File Stealer <Virus-on-VMS@File.Stealer.org> Subject: Re: looking for files0 Message-ID: <3AC1F4C8.D73F7309@File.Stealer.org>   Bedlam702 wrote: > : > I am looking for some files that got lost on my machine.  9 Drats !  I've got them here.  I didn't think you'd noticee them missing ...  * Send $1,024 to me and I'll give them back.  
 Phile Steeleri   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:41:46 +0200p) From: francois.xavier.bodin@winealley.comn Subject: Meet us on Wine Alley5 Message-ID: <200103281641.SAA17887@www.winealley.com>b   Hello!  E I found your address on a site about wine and spirits, cigar and goodfF living and I thought that you would be interested by the services tha= t ourh site offers.  @ Wine Alley is a virtual Club for all those interested in wine inF both a professional and personal capacity.  You too can be among our = 7085F members to receive our free weekly bulletin which commits you to noth=3 ing but presents an excellent overview of our site.u  ) -> http://www.geocities.com/winenews2001/m  F We now have more than 4900 members, both amateur and in the trade who=  useD our site to discuss wine, buy and sell it and tell us about the best sources.  D Club members use the Newsgroup of Wine Alley to exchange informationF and experiences.  Only the other day someone asked how much a certain=  raresF wine was worth, I asked for more information about the grape variety,=  whichF doesn't grow in France.  This week alone there have been more than 10= 19 questions and replies.  ) -> http://www.geocities.com/winenews2001/X  F There are also for sale and wanted ads and a section giving the marke= t  value of wines.   F Among the 14 ads placed this week there have been some really good de= alseB including a magnum of 1945 Pichon Lalande and a 1947 Cheval blanc!F We also provide a particularly useful service with our Wine Pricing G= uideF encompassing 4800 different wines and based on auction sales of 15000= 0 lots sold worldwide.>  C Let me make it clear - Wine Alley itself does not sell or buy wine:i? we simply offer our members the facilities for making their own 
 arrangements.n  ) -> http://www.geocities.com/winenews2001/t  = Wine Alley is also a site supplying information in real time,tF particularly the latest news from winegrowers and makers via the Fren= chF Press Agency (AFP).  We also have a database of more than 21,000 wine= s withF information supplied directly to the site by winegrower=92s co-operat= ives and specialist magazines.d  F I should be delighted if you would come and join us.  At Wine Alley y=F ou will find similarly-minded people who just want to share their lov= e of wine.m   Kind regards  3 Fran=E7ois Xavier Bodin, Manager of the Online Club7) -> http://www.geocities.com/winenews2001/       F PS. If you are not interested in my offer, please excuse this letter;=  I am F sorry to have bothered you.  To prevent further unwanted intrusions p= lease F click on the following link; your email will be automatically removed=  fromd	 our list.w  F http://www.winealley.com/wines/desmail.asp?id=3DInfo-VAX@mvb.saic.com= &l=3Dukt   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:17:48 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>" Subject: Re: Meet us on Wine Alley< Message-ID: <gVpw6.12325$Wz.4854273@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  6 <francois.xavier.bodin@winealley.com> wrote in message/ news:200103281641.SAA17887@www.winealley.com...  Hello!  E I found your address on a site about wine and spirits, cigar and goodsJ living and I thought that you would be interested by the services that our site offers.  G Methinks you are confused and have posted to the wrong noosegroup. That B said, comp.os.vms has from time to time been known as Whine Alley.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:22:14 +0100M% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>e# Subject: Re: NSA and storage works?u8 Message-ID: <um63ctktao85q6f4t7orsg7ltjib5u7o79@4ax.com>  C On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:49:13 -0700, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>  wrote:  N >Yeah, and they take their security SERIOUSLY.  I had a friend who, many yearsN >ago, was a DEC Field Service guy who worked on NSA stuff.  They were escortedM >by armed guard where ever they went (a VERY serious young Marine carrying ansN >M-16) in the computer room.  One day, he pulled a bad board out of a machine,I >red-tagged it (as was the norm) and put it back into his kit.  He almost.L >immediately heard a "click!" as the safety on an M-16 was released, and theK >young Marine asked what he thought he was doing.  Needless to say, he took-J >the board out of his kit and gave it to the NSA to destroy (like they did >with all failed parts).  @ Having had a firing stick of some description pointed at me on aD one-off VMS related visit to a highly secure  UK establishment I canE sympathize. Even though I had been warned it would happen and told itrE was routine in these particular circumstances (there was a heightenediF IRA threat at the time), until my identity and validity of being thereD had been established, it did jump my heart rate quite considerably.   . I could say more but they'd have to kill me :)   >a" >He never made that mistake again!   You mean they shot him? :-) :-)V     -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:23:29 +0100i0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Educational Program* Message-ID: <3AC1BBA1.D9DB770D@uk.sun.com>  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:- >  > Andrew Harrison wrote:5 > >>>The sad thing about this is that you are holdingo0 > out for an uncontaminated architecturally pure > OpenVMS which does not exist., > <<<p > K > I almost hate to contribute to this but Andrew was right in his post frombE > which the above extract was taken.  Gosh, that's at least two of us @ > agreeing with Andrew again.  Let me fall on my sword!!!   :-)) > L > There is no justification for VMS to be uncontaminated and architecturallyK > pure.  TCP/IP on OpenVMS may not be my first choice of network transport,74 > but in the present day and age it is a Good Thing.J > Integration with Gates' Bloatware is also a Good Thing in some respects,L > since you can store all of your files on VMS using something like Samba orJ > Pathworks/Advanced Server and back them up reliably using BACKUP on your
 > VMS system.a >   E Exactly, OpenVMS isn't architecturally pure (in Christofs sense) now oA and if it really was, e.g No IP, No X, No CIFS, No Threads etc itr; would have died by now because people would not be able to  % use it in their current environments.h  : All OS's have to adapt, sometimes in ways their origional 9 designers did not envisage, if they don't adapt they die.s   Regardss Andrew Harrisons Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2001 15:42:47 GMT From: j.t.horn@usa.net' Subject: Problems with CSWS and CGI-BINL* Message-ID: <99t0pn$lpr$1@news.netmar.com>  B We are trying to setup an cgi script in CSWS and having a problem.  N When trying the following code (http://nell.shsu.edu/cgi-bin/test.cgi) it does$ the first part. I got this code from4 http://stein.cshl.org/WWW/software/CGI/cgi_docs.html   ====== A Simple Example What's your name?  What's the combination?a   eeniemeenieminiemoe   4 What's your favorite color?  redgreenbluechartreuse    =================e  K But when you fill out the form, it does not do the part where it says "YourE name..."       RUN PERL_ROOT:[000000]PERL use CGI qw(:standard);
 print header;n% print start_html('A Simple Example'),S     h1('A Simple Example'),-     start_form,h+     "What's your name? ",textfield('name'),m     p,     "What's the combination?",     p,"     checkbox_group(-name=>'words',5            -values=>['eenie','meenie','minie','moe'],o)            -defaults=>['eenie','minie']),$     p,#     "What's your favorite color? ",      popup_menu(-name=>'color',9            -values=>['red','green','blue','chartreuse']),g     p,     submit, 
     end_form,f     hr;r   if (param()) {	     print7%     "Your name is",em(param('name')),      p,7     "The keywords are: ",em(join(", ",param('words'))),e     p,1     "Your favorite color is ",em(param('color')),      hr;d }a print end_html;         O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----hM   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupspI    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postseL made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:12:10 -0500l# From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>  Subject: Re: Pure Gold!!  157'+ Message-ID: <3AC2297A.C5E0AC87@hsc.vcu.edu>    is that your final answer?   g1a2j@pacbell.net wrote: > b > Yes, Pure Gold or Actually Cash. Would You Like To Stop Loosing Money.?? Instead Earn 80 to 100% > k > Interest. Min. Investment $ One Million. If you Have One Million And Can Prove It. Let's talk!! No Risk!!t >  > Gary A.<g1a2j@pacbell.net> > tmemnyswhxkvzimndtcfwfue   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:26:40 +01002% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>A Subject: Re: Reading UDF CDs8 Message-ID: <qv73ctg25sdkqik99f66993ioi6nncuukm@4ax.com>  @ On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:02:18 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote:a  Z >In article <3AC0C4F9.16DA009C@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes: >> >>( >>"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: >> >>> M >>> To the contrary.  I typically burn any first CD on a CD-RW and then checkwL >>> it out by mounting it on VMS.  If all goes well, I then burn CD-R media.3 >>> Saves me from making unnecessary beer coasters.N >>>e >>P >>ah, then again I can burn CDR's in approx 6 minutes (16 times) whereas erasing; >>and burning a CDRW at 4 times takes considereably longer.  > # >A fast erase is all that's needed.(  A You want fast erase? Just stick it in a microwave oven. If anyonenB hasn't tried putting a CD in a microwave it's well worth it. Don't% blame me if anything blows up though.c  : >The point was that you can burn and read CD-RWs on VMS.     -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:17:30 GMTl= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)i Subject: Re: Reading UDF CDs0 Message-ID: <009F9ACE.D9CA0A8B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <qv73ctg25sdkqik99f66993ioi6nncuukm@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:A >On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:02:18 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Briany  >Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote: >g[ >>In article <3AC0C4F9.16DA009C@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:s >>>  >>>o) >>>"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:o >>>s >>>>N >>>> To the contrary.  I typically burn any first CD on a CD-RW and then checkM >>>> it out by mounting it on VMS.  If all goes well, I then burn CD-R media. 4 >>>> Saves me from making unnecessary beer coasters. >>>> >>> Q >>>ah, then again I can burn CDR's in approx 6 minutes (16 times) whereas erasing-< >>>and burning a CDRW at 4 times takes considereably longer. >>$ >>A fast erase is all that's needed. >hB >You want fast erase? Just stick it in a microwave oven. If anyoneC >hasn't tried putting a CD in a microwave it's well worth it. Don'ts& >blame me if anything blows up though.  G I've done that quite often.  It's a great way to destroy CDs with data sG that I want to protect.  The noxious smells, though, are enough to war-sG rent that you take the microwave to the out of doors prior to doing so.s   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             tO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  , Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:23:21 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: Reading UDF CDsJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103281219300.12670-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  6 On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Arne [iso-8859-1] Vajh=F8j wrote:   +Jack Trachtman wrote: [...]a6 +> On VMS though, I can't even mount the disk foreign! [...]OF +My guess is that the problem is due to it is a CD-RW (and not a CD-R= ) !d +e& +I do not think VMS likes such beasts.  7  Umhm, VMS likes any CD-RW: only some CD-ROM can't reads= CD-RW :( What VMS doesn't like - is some type of CD-readers !tA  Have one... console boots, if the VMS driver is loaded device=20h- goes offline. Under VMS MOUNT doesn't work :(a    Regards - Gotfryd   --=20sC =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=iC =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=dC =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=r	 =3D=3D=3DsF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") = -h =09=09THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=3DMEd. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plC =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=rC =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= C =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=h	 =3D=3D=3Dn   ------------------------------  , Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:29:46 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: Reading UDF CDsJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103281223430.12670-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  % On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Roy Omond wrote:T [...] H +If you can't even mount the CD /foreign, then perhaps it's in 2048-byteI +sector mode ?  VMS (without some Glenn-hacked-driver) only wants to deal- +with 512-byte sector CDs.  0  You probably right, only in improper place ;) !  C  Even if I am not sure if CD-ROMs at all are will work as 512b mode > (a disk - really, must be switched to 512) then the problem is> not related to sectors on CD: the "used data" are always saved? in 2kB sectors ! "Raw read" (as for audio mode) allows reading g? whole sector something like 2138 bytes (correction welcome) bute- that still has nothing to 512 byte sectors...r  @  Even if the device may operate in 512b mode (I am *think*: not)5 that has nothing to the datastructure on the plate :)n    Regards - Gotfryd   -- bE =====================================================================mF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME8. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================7   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:03:24 -0500 # From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>s Subject: Re: Reading UDF CDs+ Message-ID: <3AC1EF2C.3704DEF8@hsc.vcu.edu>s  J if you make it thicker, the edges get blunter, unless one sharpens them!!!   jims   Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > Jim Agnew wrote: > Z > > It's a shame those beer coasters don't fly well...  the rims need to be heavier... ;-D > ^ > Did you try blu-tacking a couple together. I wouldn't call it flying but they do go further.7 > But watch out, it could be construed tro be a weapon.e >  > :-)t > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukw > C > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofr > MedAS or the BBC.9   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:42:26 +01000- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>y Subject: Re: Reading UDF CDs) Message-ID: <3AC1F852.248E7B8A@bbc.co.uk>k   Jim Agnew wrote:  L > if you make it thicker, the edges get blunter, unless one sharpens them!!!  Q however, as a double is heavier, it can actually be propelled with more velocity. O Blunt instrument of course, but I suspect still quite nasty in the wrong hands.o   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofg MedAS or the BBC.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:44:15 -0500 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>i  Subject: Re: SDA fc command doc.4 Message-ID: <UGnw6.171660$Z2.2094800@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  4 "Pbo" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> wrote in message news:3ac059ac@news.euriware...D >     Any idea to find the documentation of the FC command available underc/ > Openvms 7.2-1H1 with SDA? (SDA> fc show ....)l  C This question was raised were I am the other day. The local support E group said they only know of the SHOW command but they would get backeE to me if they can find any other documentation on it. A quick look atAF SYS$LIBRARY:FC$SDA.EXE shows the strings ADDR, NAME, PROB, QUEU, RING,C SET and SHOW. But I have no idea if these are commands or what they D do. I no longer have a test system I can play with and I do not plan( on trying any of these on a live system.  9 I'll post here if anyone at CSC gives me a pointer to any. documentation.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:23:34 -0600t" From: Earl Lakia <lakia@ipact.com>4 Subject: SDL Structure/Interface Definition Language) Message-ID: <3AC22C26.FAE632D2@ipact.com>e  B I have to maintain a few environments (C, and FORTRAN) and want to@ use SDL from the freeware CD.  Anyway, I can't seem to get it to7 generate integer*8 for FORTRAN quad words.  I tried thex# /alpha switch.  Any help out there?    --
 Earl Lakia   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:28:33 -0500e+ From: "Doar, Mandy (LGE-SP)" <mdoar@lg.com>h9 Subject: Secondary Page File/what happens if disk is lostmD Message-ID: <2DF8B6049717D411A08B00508BCF54240431841F@cs0018.lg.com>   Alpha GS60 running VMS 7.1-2  J We've got a secondary page file set up on a disk that is not in a raid setI or mirrored.  What will happen to the system if the disk is lost? Primary=A page and swap files exist on the system drive, which is mirrored.   
 Mandy Doar Lockwood Greenec CITy (864)599-4128 Voiceo (864)599-6408 Fax  mdoar@lg.com      The information contained in this e-mail message and any attachments is confidential information intended only for the use of individuals or entities named above.  If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at the originating address or at postmaster@lg.com.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:06:54 +0100e* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>= Subject: Re: Secondary Page File/what happens if disk is lost + Message-ID: <99sumn$l3s@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>e  6 "Doar, Mandy (LGE-SP)" <mdoar@lg.com> wrote in message> news:2DF8B6049717D411A08B00508BCF54240431841F@cs0018.lg.com...  L > We've got a secondary page file set up on a disk that is not in a raid setK > or mirrored.  What will happen to the system if the disk is lost? PrimaryrC > page and swap files exist on the system drive, which is mirrored.t  D Without having tried, so this is approximate: the system will assign? processes to pagefiles as normal. Any process faulting from theVG failed drive will hang until the disk is timed out then get a PAGRDERR.,D The results would be unpredictable, and depend on the relative sizesJ of the files, and how early on in the boot it got installed. Most likely aF few processes would get deleted. If you were really unlucky, I suppose5 you could have the exception thrown in an inner mode.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:18:30 GMTr+ From: psherwin@strayduck.com (Paul Sherwin)a= Subject: Re: Secondary Page File/what happens if disk is lost.1 Message-ID: <3ac20001.1259127@news.onetel.net.uk>e  : On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:28:33 -0500, "Doar, Mandy (LGE-SP)" <mdoar@lg.com> wrote:    >Alpha GS60 running VMS 7.1-2- >-K >We've got a secondary page file set up on a disk that is not in a raid setnJ >or mirrored.  What will happen to the system if the disk is lost? PrimaryB >page and swap files exist on the system drive, which is mirrored. >'C IIRC, the system hangs - reboot time. VMS complains when it rebootsr? but starts OK, using only the primaries (so paging space may beiF tight). The last time I lost a secondary pagefile was around VMS6.0 on, a Vax, but I don't think anything's changed.  	 HTH, Paulr  @ Paul Sherwin Consulting     22 Monmouth Road, Oxford OX1 4TD, UK= Phone  +44 (0)1865 721438   http://www.psherwin.strayduck.comi9 Mobile +44 (0)7931 578334   mailto:psherwin@strayduck.comc Pager  +44 (0)7666 7972286   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:31:40 -0500N2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)= Subject: Re: Secondary Page File/what happens if disk is lostlL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2803011031410001@user-2ive7u9.dialup.mindspring.com>  D In article <2DF8B6049717D411A08B00508BCF54240431841F@cs0018.lg.com>,, "Doar, Mandy (LGE-SP)" <mdoar@lg.com> wrote:   > Alpha GS60 running VMS 7.1-2 > L > We've got a secondary page file set up on a disk that is not in a raid setK > or mirrored.  What will happen to the system if the disk is lost? PrimarytC > page and swap files exist on the system drive, which is mirrored.t  F It depends.  VMS itself can run with little or no page file space.  IfH your applications really need that secondary page file, the system couldJ slow to a crawl without it.  You need to study the page file usage of your
 applications.o  H If the disk fails on a running system, I guess every process assigned toH that page file will hang.  If you can't tolerate that, you should shadowC the page disk.  (How often does that happen?  Should be very rare.)   B You might check availablility of page files during startup, before. starting applications that are page-file hogs.   -- i Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comh   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:57:31 +0200i= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> / Subject: Re: Seeking Alpha system (Netherlands)n( Message-ID: <3AC1A77B.9F93EED@gtech.com>   Willem Grooters wrote:& > After 6 years _finally_ back to VMS!   Congratulations.  N > But to get known to Alpha systems, I'm looking for a system I can use to getM > familiar with the Alpha processor. Does anyone have, or know of a redundantmK > system  I can purchase - don't bother licenses, I just need the hardware.sM > Would be great with CD-ROM, enough memory and diskspace, Graphical card andy4 > VMS-keyboard. Monitor doesn't have to be included.  F First there are not that big a difference between a VAX and an Alpha - except for the speed ! :-)   B For a cheap Alpha, then I would suggest http://www.islandco.com/ !   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:08:44 +0100p% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>o/ Subject: Re: Seeking Alpha system (Netherlands)-8 Message-ID: <96a3ctg3nj2nm561k8suq3hl3riov46bu5@4ax.com>  5 On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:26:43 +0200, "Willem Grooters"e <Willem@Grooters.100.nl> wrote:a   >Hi out there, >n% >After 6 years _finally_ back to VMS!v > M >But to get known to Alpha systems, I'm looking for a system I can use to get.L >familiar with the Alpha processor. Does anyone have, or know of a redundantJ >system  I can purchase - don't bother licenses, I just need the hardware.L >Would be great with CD-ROM, enough memory and diskspace, Graphical card and3 >VMS-keyboard. Monitor doesn't have to be included.u  A www.islandco.com/lowcost_alpha.htm with a VMS DECUS hobby licenseYE might be suitable. If you look around you might still be able to pick;C up an old DEC Multia for shipping costs. Instructions on how to geti1 this to boot VMS (unsupported) are in the VMS faqr     >Willemf >d >a >)   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:57:26 +0100 * From: Ed Dennison <ed.dennison@compaq.com>F Subject: Re: Source listing do NOT coincide with the operating system.* Message-ID: <3AC1C396.C60A87D7@compaq.com>   Brian,  S     On all the OpenVMS V7.2-1 systems that I can find (one) SYS$GUBDRIVER.EXE has a S file creation date of 29-May-1999. Which would tend to tie in with the date on your( .LIS and .MAP files.  D     Have you, by any chance, installed Open3D V4.9A which includes a5 SYS$GUBDRIVER.EXE with a creation date of 7-Apr-1999?a               Regards,                       Ed Dennison   & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  1 > I've already posed this same question to CSC...n >uJ > I installed a ZLXp-L2 video card which has been sitting on the shelf andJ > booted V7.2-1 (a virgin install too).  VMS bugchecks with a BUG$_DECWIN-I > DOWS bugcheck.  So, I started looking into the crash.  The crash was ineJ > SYS$GUBDRIVER so I pulled up the source listings and started looking.  II > found discrepancies between the code and the source listings.  Strange,sK > thought I.  So, I looked at the date on the .EXE -- 7-APR-1999.  The date K > on the .LIS and .MAP files is 29-MAY-1999.  Excuse me?  More than a month% > and a half time difference???  >nI > I tend to NOT install patches because I don't have listings which coin-tG > cide with the patched images but now I'm finding that even the virgin-J > O/S code does not coincide with the listings.  Can somebody in engineer- > ing explain this mess? >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  >TQ > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:23:50 +0100.  From: steven.reece@quintiles.comF Subject: Re: Source listing do NOT coincide with the operating system.H Message-ID: <OF7010DEA2.1FCCC370-ON80256A1D.003DA1E4@qedi.quintiles.com>  G For interest, the only VMS V7.2-1 system I have here has a link date ofe; 29-MAY-1999 13:03 on SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:SYS$GUBDRIVER.EXE.   + image file identification: "DW V7.1-990529" 2 image file build identification: "X6TF-0050120000"  I I believe this to be the file that was supplied with the OS itself, given(J that the file SYS$COMMON:[000000]DEC-AXPVMS-VMS-V0702-1-2.PCSI$DESCRIPTIONF claims that the SYS$GUBDRIVER file is generation 50120000 and size 179 (which it is). Steve.  $ Ed Dennison at compaq dot com wrote:	 >>>Brian,   ;     On all the OpenVMS V7.2-1 systems that I can find (one) K SYS$GUBDRIVER.EXE has a file creation date of 29-May-1999. Which would tendS4 to tie in with the date on your .LIS and .MAP files.  D     Have you, by any chance, installed Open3D V4.9A which includes a5 SYS$GUBDRIVER.EXE with a creation date of 7-Apr-1999?e               Regards,                       Ed Dennisons  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  1 > I've already posed this same question to CSC...D >9J > I installed a ZLXp-L2 video card which has been sitting on the shelf andJ > booted V7.2-1 (a virgin install too).  VMS bugchecks with a BUG$_DECWIN-I > DOWS bugcheck.  So, I started looking into the crash.  The crash was inmJ > SYS$GUBDRIVER so I pulled up the source listings and started looking.  II > found discrepancies between the code and the source listings.  Strange,aK > thought I.  So, I looked at the date on the .EXE -- 7-APR-1999.  The dateaK > on the .LIS and .MAP files is 29-MAY-1999.  Excuse me?  More than a months" > and a half time difference???<<<   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:48:16 GMTi= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) F Subject: Re: Source listing do NOT coincide with the operating system.0 Message-ID: <009F9ADB.87974975@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <3AC1C396.C60A87D7@compaq.com>, Ed Dennison <ed.dennison@compaq.com> writes:f >Brian,i >tT >    On all the OpenVMS V7.2-1 systems that I can find (one) SYS$GUBDRIVER.EXE has aT >file creation date of 29-May-1999. Which would tend to tie in with the date on your >..LIS and .MAP files. > E >    Have you, by any chance, installed Open3D V4.9A which includes a 6 >SYS$GUBDRIVER.EXE with a creation date of 7-Apr-1999?   'Twould appear so. :  9 In either case, the driver pukes.  AS1200/V7.2-1/ZXLp-L2.6  ! I'd really like to use this card!T   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM>            hO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.d   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2001 08:47:38 GMT) From: mike.price@nospam@littlewoods.co.ukC& Subject: Re: speeding up shadow merges* Message-ID: <99s8fa$ojr$1@news.netmar.com>   Thanks for all the replies  M Actually the original problem was spotted before mini-merges were possible onNM DSSI disks. Once they were allowed then the problem went away until we had to=L upgrade to Storageworks cabs and SCSI disks when the problem came back again8 - sorry about the confusion - memory failure on my part.L Now that we have ditched our last DSSI system we have the problem on all theJ SCSI disks but it actually doesn't happen very often thanks to UPS systems2 and mainly the fact that VMS doesn't crash much!!!   Mike  O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----3M   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupsDI    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts-L made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:41:47 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com2 Subject: Re: Strange message on boot with 7.3 EFT2H Message-ID: <OFD013F0B0.2997111E-ON80256A1C.006618B8@qedi.quintiles.com>  I But how are you going about saving the crash dump?  Bear in mind that notnK every shutdown is logged in SYSDUMP.DMP any more.  Not sure when the changea3 occurred but it was probably in the v7.x timeframe.aG Just because the dump is still in SYSDUMP.DMP it doesn't mean that it'sy current.   Steve.   Peter Langstoeger wrote :oJ >>>Could it be, that a valid crash dump (of the V7.1 system then) is stillC in the SYSDUMP.DMP file and that it is detected that is was alreadyt! analyzed/saved (some years ago) ?l  J I have such a case on my OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1 system and I haven't managedD so far to avoid a savedump at every reboot (but I must admit, that I< didn't put any real efforts in it - a DELETE is much faster)  H If this is the case (like on my system), then there seems to be a bug in0 VMS V7.x (because it did never happen before V7)  C OTOH, how often did you reboot since 1998 and how often did you see  such a savedump ?<<<   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:24:01 +0200 $ From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch>! Subject: Sybase DB on OpenVMS AXP  Message-ID: <3ac19191$1@hcwe67>u   Hello,  H we have a huge Sybase DB installation on OpenVMS, including heavy use ofE Sybase Open Server technologie. Now, Sybase is going to terminate its ! support for VMS till end of 2003. H We want now find a way, how to replace the Open Servers, but keeping theL business code (Ada), which run in them. The DB Servers we will move to Unix.) Anybody out there, in the same situation?t( Also, the Sybase CT library is an issue.   best regards   Jakob Erbern   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:34:03 +0100e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>d% Subject: Re: Sybase DB on OpenVMS AXPb8 Message-ID: <17i3cto828mfj5vfn2r1q24403tpqkjgk4@4ax.com>  B On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:24:01 +0200, "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch> wrote:   >Hello,- >-I >we have a huge Sybase DB installation on OpenVMS, including heavy use of F >Sybase Open Server technologie. Now, Sybase is going to terminate its" >support for VMS till end of 2003.I >We want now find a way, how to replace the Open Servers, but keeping theuM >business code (Ada), which run in them. The DB Servers we will move to Unix.b* >Anybody out there, in the same situation?) >Also, the Sybase CT library is an issue.   > One possibility might be to use Attunity Connect (formerly ISGD Navigator). This would allow you to use Attunity to present a SybaseC compatible interface to the current application but talk to another E database at the backend - such as Oracle or even RDB if you were able B to keep the database servers on the VMS system. For most apps this< works quite well. For example we use Attunity to provide webC applications running Microsoft Active Server Pages and/or Microsoft1E Access applications with backend databases  which are actually eitherrF RDB or DBMS databases on VMS. Similarly we have Oracle applications onE both VMS and NT which talk to RDB databases on VMS but think they are @ talking to native Oracle. This doesn't even need Attunity as RDB? directly supports SQL/Net these days (and ODBC for that matter)f  C There are always a few things that can catch you out here where theoF emulation isn't totally perfect but it's been good enough for anything we have needed.,  D Also I don't know Sybase but if it's just providing an SQL interfaceD it might not be too hard to modify the source to use another vendors> SQL interface directly. Any hard reason for moving the backendF database off VMS as RDB on VMS is the best database server there is in& my opinion and has won awards as such.    
 >best regardsa >0 >Jakob Erber >t   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:24:26 -0500a3 From: Don Marchlenski <march@newark.ohio-state.edu>a Subject: VAX market valuen5 Message-ID: <3AC1E609.B1568442@newark.ohio-state.edu>e  F I need to get information on the fair market value of a VAX 6310 and aH VAX 4300 in preparation of trying to dispose of them.  Does anybody have4 any suggestions on where I can get such information?  > I hope to find a good home for them rather than the junk heap.   Thanks,h Don Marchlenskia Central Ohio Technical College andl# The Ohio State University at Newark8   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:37:38 +0200v= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>a Subject: Re: VAX market value ) Message-ID: <3AC1E922.B2590986@gtech.com>r   Don Marchlenski wrote:H > I need to get information on the fair market value of a VAX 6310 and aJ > VAX 4300 in preparation of trying to dispose of them.  Does anybody have6 > any suggestions on where I can get such information? > @ > I hope to find a good home for them rather than the junk heap.  G Those boxes are relative old. And even though the 6310 costed a fortunetB when it was new, then I would say that their market value today is	 extremelyi@ small (you can get old Alphas that are 10 times faster for a few hundred dollars).    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:43:12 -0300d) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br- Subject: Re: VAX market valueeL Message-ID: <OF5CB3CB2B.BF900309-ON03256A1D.004B43AA@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  K Install Linux in both machines ..... and you can have them up again  to runm something not important !    Regardsn   FC        D Don Marchlenski <march@newark.ohio-state.edu> em 28/03/2001 10:24:26             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com        Assunto: VAX market valueo    F I need to get information on the fair market value of a VAX 6310 and aH VAX 4300 in preparation of trying to dispose of them.  Does anybody have4 any suggestions on where I can get such information?  > I hope to find a good home for them rather than the junk heap.   Thanks,  Don Marchlenskis Central Ohio Technical College andl# The Ohio State University at Newarke   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:03:59 -0600e* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: VAX market valueM- Message-ID: <0033000019920105000002L052*@MHS>I  B =0ADon, there's Great Lakes, our friend dbturner, NA Technologies,F and a slew of other resellers who deal in used d|i|g|i|t|a|l hardware.  > You're going to have to put out some emails and/or phone calls to get feedback.  5 Or, if it happens to be up at the time, there's eBay.g   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETn) > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:37 AMp8 > To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET > Subject: VAX market valuei >o >nH > I need to get information on the fair market value of a VAX 6310 and = as= > VAX 4300 in preparation of trying to dispose of them.  Doesc > anybody have6 > any suggestions on where I can get such information? >n@ > I hope to find a good home for them rather than the junk heap. >e	 > Thanks,i > Don Marchlenski   > Central Ohio Technical College > andS% > The Ohio State University at Newarkn >=   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:02:44 GMTx+ From: psherwin@strayduck.com (Paul Sherwin)  Subject: Re: VAX market valueo0 Message-ID: <3ac1fc03.236343@news.onetel.net.uk>  3 On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:24:26 -0500, Don Marchlenski-$ <march@newark.ohio-state.edu> wrote:  G >I need to get information on the fair market value of a VAX 6310 and a I >VAX 4300 in preparation of trying to dispose of them.  Does anybody have 5 >any suggestions on where I can get such information?r >.? >I hope to find a good home for them rather than the junk heap.1  E Sadly, Vaxes of this era are worth practically nothing today. I stillrE shed a tear when I remember sending the 11/750 I'd been looking afterk* for years to the junkyard (0.6 MIPS IIRC).  B You may find someone interested in taking the 4300 away as a hobbyD machine (I'd be interested if it wasn't in Ohio) but the 6310 is tooF bulky for hobby use and too slow and maintenance-hungry for commercial1 use. You may have to pay someone to take it away.h   Sorry... :-(   Best regards, Paul  @ Paul Sherwin Consulting     22 Monmouth Road, Oxford OX1 4TD, UK= Phone  +44 (0)1865 721438   http://www.psherwin.strayduck.coms9 Mobile +44 (0)7931 578334   mailto:psherwin@strayduck.coma Pager  +44 (0)7666 797228    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:26:38 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: VAX market valuenL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2803011026380001@user-2ive7u9.dialup.mindspring.com>  E In article <3AC1E609.B1568442@newark.ohio-state.edu>, Don Marchlenski0$ <march@newark.ohio-state.edu> wrote:  H > I need to get information on the fair market value of a VAX 6310 and aJ > VAX 4300 in preparation of trying to dispose of them.  Does anybody have6 > any suggestions on where I can get such information?  3 Will they have transferable VMS licences with them?r  H Without licenses, the 4300 is probably worth only a few hundred dollars,G depending on what it comes with.  The 6310 might be worth more or less.i4 It's a better system, but it's a lot harder to ship.   -- R Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:42:48 -0800 ! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>e Subject: RE: VAX market value 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEHPCEAA.tom@kednos.com>g  I Rather than asking what it is worth, maybe you should ask, what am I bid?a   > -----Original Message-----; > From: Robert Deininger [mailto:rdeininger@mindspring.com]e) > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 7:27 AMD > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi > Subject: Re: VAX market valuer >0 >8G > In article <3AC1E609.B1568442@newark.ohio-state.edu>, Don Marchlenski & > <march@newark.ohio-state.edu> wrote: >cJ > > I need to get information on the fair market value of a VAX 6310 and aL > > VAX 4300 in preparation of trying to dispose of them.  Does anybody have8 > > any suggestions on where I can get such information? >c5 > Will they have transferable VMS licences with them?C >OJ > Without licenses, the 4300 is probably worth only a few hundred dollars,I > depending on what it comes with.  The 6310 might be worth more or less.M6 > It's a better system, but it's a lot harder to ship. >n > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.coma   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2001 15:48:13 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: VAX market value-+ Message-ID: <99t13t$b5h$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>1  5 In article <3AC1E609.B1568442@newark.ohio-state.edu>,o6  Don Marchlenski <march@newark.ohio-state.edu> writes:I |> I need to get information on the fair market value of a VAX 6310 and a K |> VAX 4300 in preparation of trying to dispose of them.  Does anybody have 7 |> any suggestions on where I can get such information?n |> tA |> I hope to find a good home for them rather than the junk heap.   / Call a freight hauler and have them shipped to:s    Computing Sciences Dept.c    University of Scrantona  ? It's probably a lot cheaper than the tipping fees at your locali1 landfill and a lot nicer to the environment.  :-)y   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:57:56 -0500l* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> Subject: Re: VAX market value 9 Message-ID: <DKow6.106791$lj4.3088771@news6.giganews.com>E  > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message% news:99t13t$b5h$1@info.cs.uofs.edu...%7 > In article <3AC1E609.B1568442@newark.ohio-state.edu>,n8 >  Don Marchlenski <march@newark.ohio-state.edu> writes:E > |> I need to get information on the fair market value of a VAX 6310- and a @ > |> VAX 4300 in preparation of trying to dispose of them.  Does anybody have9 > |> any suggestions on where I can get such information?o > |>C > |> I hope to find a good home for them rather than the junk heap.e >e1 > Call a freight hauler and have them shipped to:h >    Computing Sciences Dept.- >    University of Scranton0  = AFTER initializing any disks that might be included with them:4 to avoid problems with FERPA and license issues with2 any vendors whose software might still be on them.9 (though you could probably leave the system disk alone if.@ all it has on it is the system. (And remove the license databaseB or at least everything except the base license if you're including that ?))   -Andy-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:35:38 +0100t+ From: "shielm00" <Mike_Shield-1@sbphrd.com>  Subject: Re: VAX market valueN2 Message-ID: <99t0b2$30m$1@phunn2.um.us.sbphrd.com>   Don,  L It depends if you wish to replace these boxes with something new from CompaqE (Intel or Alpha), but you can get an idea of their worth by doing thel	 followingS  F Go to http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/servers.html and check out theI tradein option below special offers. While you might select North America K for obvious reasons, if you chose EMEA instead, and search around a little,hH there is a spreadsheet of suggested trade-in values for a large range of machines, in dollars.   A The values suggested are  not high, your looking at around $1500.r   Hope this helps.   Mike Shielda Compaq SMO GSK --C The opinions expressed in this communication are my own, and do nott) necessarily reflect those of my employer.t@ "Don Marchlenski" <march@newark.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message/ news:3AC1E609.B1568442@newark.ohio-state.edu...sH > I need to get information on the fair market value of a VAX 6310 and aJ > VAX 4300 in preparation of trying to dispose of them.  Does anybody have6 > any suggestions on where I can get such information? >-@ > I hope to find a good home for them rather than the junk heap. >.	 > Thanks,? > Don Marchlenskis  > Central Ohio Technical College > and-% > The Ohio State University at Newarke >2 >a   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2001 18:36:23 GMT From: ewilts@mediaone.netR Subject: Re: VAX market valued* Message-ID: <99tav7$cek$1@news.netmar.com>  L In article <OF5CB3CB2B.BF900309-ON03256A1D.004B43AA@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,- <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> writes: L >Install Linux in both machines ..... and you can have them up again  to run >something not important !  L And I'm sure you've seen completed VAX port for Linux?  Last time I checked,A Vaxen still aren't supported.  BSD I believe is an option though.   
    .../Ed1  O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  ----- M   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups'I    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postsuL made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2001 18:33:26 GMT From: ewilts@mediaone.net- Subject: Re: VAX market valueG* Message-ID: <99tapm$c4a$1@news.netmar.com>  F In article <3AC1E609.B1568442@newark.ohio-state.edu>, Don Marchlenski % <march@newark.ohio-state.edu> writes:iG >I need to get information on the fair market value of a VAX 6310 and aoI >VAX 4300 in preparation of trying to dispose of them.  Does anybody haven5 >any suggestions on where I can get such information?i > ? >I hope to find a good home for them rather than the junk heap.e  L A local vendor here last year offered me 0$ to come and take away a VAX 6620M system. Basically you'll be lucky to get anybody to come and pick up your VAXa1 6310 rather than you having to pay somebody else.e  G I suspect you might have better luck with the 4300 because it's got theu smaller footprint.  	    .../Ed3  O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  ----- M   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupstI    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts-L made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:20:16 GMT + From: psherwin@strayduck.com (Paul Sherwin)66 Subject: Re: VMS 8byte datetime > Unix datetime - help0 Message-ID: <3ac1ba64.254233@news.onetel.net.uk>  B On 28 Mar 2001 01:33:15 +0200, maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Adam Maulis) wrote:  C >ops, a little problem: VMS' services returns local time instead ofeA >GMT (UCT). Substract the timezone differential from this 32 bit n >unsigned integer.  B Living in England, localtime _is_ GMT (or it was until summer time started last Saturday) :-)   Thanks again, Paul  @ Paul Sherwin Consulting     22 Monmouth Road, Oxford OX1 4TD, UK= Phone  +44 (0)1865 721438   http://www.psherwin.strayduck.com-9 Mobile +44 (0)7931 578334   mailto:psherwin@strayduck.coma Pager  +44 (0)7666 797228a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:06:35 +0200 , From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>2 Subject: Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job& Message-ID: <3AC1A99B.135C41E9@gmx.ch>  F send mail to Olivier MANERA omanera@parity-eurosoft.com and join us in8 Switzerland. The chocolate and the beer are really good.   D.  , "mike.price"@nospam@littlewoods.co.uk wrote: >  > Hello,= > I have just been told that I may shortly be made redundant.u ../..l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:42:07 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brb2 Subject: Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK jobL Message-ID: <OFB27FD467.9D9CBBFB-ON03256A1D.003AB4DF@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  9 Hey dont you have positions in Spain, Portugal or Italy ?r> Switzerland is too cold and I dont speak french or german.....   Regardso   FC        = Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> em 28/03/2001 06:06:35-             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come      2 Assunto: Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job    F send mail to Olivier MANERA omanera@parity-eurosoft.com and join us in8 Switzerland. The chocolate and the beer are really good.   D.  , "mike.price"@nospam@littlewoods.co.uk wrote: >  > Hello,= > I have just been told that I may shortly be made redundant.g ../..u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:23:26 +0100i- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>t2 Subject: Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job1 Message-ID: <3AC1AD8E.B3E0F1DD@BlueBubble.UK.Com>t   John Laird wrote:e > I > On 26 Mar 2001 12:16:59 GMT, mike.price@nospam@littlewoods.co.uk wrote:b > M > >I would be grateful for any information about vacancies and especially webo+ > >sites that are likely to have vacancies.t > , > Visit Jobserve, and slap in VMS and North. > D > Unfortunately, you won't find a whole lot :-(  Trust me, I know...  E Not at all surprising.  There's not much of a population in the NortheF of the country, never mind jobs with VMS.  The furthest south you justH about *might* find is Inverness or Aberdeen, but I haven't seen anything there for a while.  E Of course, if you're willing to go a good bit further south, then youlD might be able to find something in Glasgow, Edinburgh or Dunfermline	 (Alan ?).n      ' P.s. yes, this is with some sarcasm ;-)n$ P.p.s. John, you contracting again ?  D Roy Omond (a "northerner" currently very far south, at least for me) Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:55:30 -0700h+ From: Linda Luik <p14175@email.sps.mot.com>a2 Subject: Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job1 Message-ID: <3AC1FB62.34B15082@email.sps.mot.com>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------4B598CECE307F3D3D18B3B5B* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitc  A Sure wished the PHX AZ area looked like this! My company has justeE deferred merit raises, promotions, etc until Q3 (most likely Q4) this 7 year. I am getting tired of being treated like a slave.-   Lindaa   Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > 0 > > "mike.price"@nospam@littlewoods.co.uk wrote: > > >e > > > Hello,A > > > I have just been told that I may shortly be made redundant.  > >m5 > > welcome to the club of unemployed loyal VMS fans.  > D > hmmm, to MIke I suggest, surf to www.jobserve.co.uk, enter VMS andE > your location details. Seems a bit quiet at present (year end?) buto > thererD > are jobs around. Whether they are interesting jobs or just anotherD > babysit-the-VAX-to-the-grave-and-pick-up-some-NT-or-contract-rates. > type position I leave to your own judgement. > G > Out of interest, Mike, are they shutting you down or is it that "he'sj > too expensivej9 > and we don't understand what he does all day" syndrome?g >  > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  > C > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofd > MedAS or the BBC. & --------------4B598CECE307F3D3D18B3B5B- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;s  name="p14175.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitt( Content-Description: Card for Linda Luik  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="p14175.vcf"   begin:vcard  n:Luik;Linda tel;pager:1.888.772.5230 tel;fax:480.655.3569 tel;work:480.655.4432    x-mozilla-html:FALSE 	-mozilla-cpt:;3344;;;( org:Motorola  SPS ;IT-CIM maildrop: M555 version:2.1B& email;internet:linda.luik@motorola.com6 title:Regional VMS Systems Adminstrator/Backup Analyst5 adr;quoted-printable:;;2200 W. Broadway Road  =0D=0A=o fn:Luik, Linda	 end:vcard   ( --------------4B598CECE307F3D3D18B3B5B--   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:54:37 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 2 Subject: Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job8 Message-ID: <3eq3ctcmmittgibjcsg9megf74mr92hm1a@4ax.com>  - On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:23:26 +0100, Roy Omond $ <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote:      F >Of course, if you're willing to go a good bit further south, then youE >might be able to find something in Glasgow, Edinburgh or DunfermlineU
 >(Alan ?).  D Fully staffed I'm afraid. In any case a search on jobserve.co.uk forC (vms or openvms or vax) and (manchester or liverpool or scotland or:F north) claims to find 81 open vacancies. Not all are just VMS jobs andA some are duplicates but at least some look good. I also know fromnE experience it is worth contacting agencies direct (I suggest computer B futures) as they often fill jobs with registered candidates before they are advertised.     -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:18:59 +0100-- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>R2 Subject: Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job) Message-ID: <3AC200E3.FFE872F3@bbc.co.uk>a   Alan Greig wrote::  / > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:23:26 +0100, Roy Omondt& > <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote: >aH > >Of course, if you're willing to go a good bit further south, then youG > >might be able to find something in Glasgow, Edinburgh or Dunfermlinen > >(Alan ?). >dF > Fully staffed I'm afraid. In any case a search on jobserve.co.uk forE > (vms or openvms or vax) and (manchester or liverpool or scotland oreH > north) claims to find 81 open vacancies. Not all are just VMS jobs andC > some are duplicates but at least some look good. I also know fromnG > experience it is worth contacting agencies direct (I suggest computertD > futures) as they often fill jobs with registered candidates before > they are advertised. >   I also be aware that jobserve has apparently had a bust up with some of then largeVJ agencies, so not carrying as large a selection of jobs as before. However, it ise< now said to be taking job postings direct from clients also.  J Some say that jobserve only represents jobs the agents can't fill by other means.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofe MedAS or the BBC.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:35:24 +0100e- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>y2 Subject: Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job) Message-ID: <3AC1F6AC.430320FE@bbc.co.uk>   * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  ; > Hey dont you have positions in Spain, Portugal or Italy ?+@ > Switzerland is too cold and I dont speak french or german..... >6  @ Sadly the places with a decent contract market do not seem to beC those with decent climates. Mind you, its not just the climate that  would put me off Suisse.  5 You mean there isn't a contract market in Brazil? :-)u  --l6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2001 17:11:43 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)w2 Subject: Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job+ Message-ID: <99t60f$cq1$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>   0 Only peripherally on topic, however I'm curious.  @ Has the EU made it easier for people to cross borders in seekingE employemnt??  And what about income taxes??  Does one find themselves-> paying to both the home country and the place where you work??  E I would love to live/work in Suisse (or slightly further north!), butC. I see no likelyhood of that ever coming to be.   bill    -- gJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   V   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:48:13 +0200.= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> 2 Subject: Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job) Message-ID: <3AC231ED.910A902A@gtech.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:B > Has the EU made it easier for people to cross borders in seekingG > employemnt??  And what about income taxes??  Does one find themselvesw@ > paying to both the home country and the place where you work??  8 The EU directives about free movement of labour makes it3 relative easy to move across borders within the EU.t   Income taxes are too high. :-)  E There are "double taxation treaties" between most civilized countries-6 that prevents double taxation. Nothing special for EU.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:13:02 +0200  From: "\)_ex" <luctor@emer.go>5 Subject: VMS: DECNet to TCP/IP migration help wanted.e1 Message-ID: <99sh09$g8m$1@eubuf21.eu.concert.net>a   Hello there!  K Our customer wants to migrate from DECNet(PhIV) to TCP/IP(UCX). I could use A some extra input, so went looking for a 'migration document' withoI experiences from others and tips from Digital and other experts. Helas, I  didn't look well enough :-)d  I Environment: VMS version is 7.1 on both Alpha-, VAX servers and VLC's andt> NT-workstations (Intel based). So partly UCX is used allready.H Which Digital products wil be affected (behave badly)? VMS_Mail? SYSMAN?- DECWINDOWS? DMQ (except configuration files)?n: Does anyone of you people have a link or a hint or a clue?   Groeten, Lex van Leur   EDS International BV' VKL-Team, Pallas Athenedreef 10, C 1.10  3561 PE Utrecht The Netherlands  Tel: (030) - 265 3323  Fax:(030) - 265 3379   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:27:38 +0200e: From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>9 Subject: Re: VMS: DECNet to TCP/IP migration help wanted.-- Message-ID: <3AC1CAAA.718E1FF2@volkswagen.de>m  \ What is the reason for this migration? If DECnet is to be phased out on the network, perhaps] the migration to DECnet/PLUS and DECnet-over-IP can be a solution, it leaves all applicationsc
 untouched.  
 ")_ex" wrote:e >  > Hello there! > M > Our customer wants to migrate from DECNet(PhIV) to TCP/IP(UCX). I could useeC > some extra input, so went looking for a 'migration document' withsK > experiences from others and tips from Digital and other experts. Helas, I  > didn't look well enough :-)t > K > Environment: VMS version is 7.1 on both Alpha-, VAX servers and VLC's andu@ > NT-workstations (Intel based). So partly UCX is used allready.J > Which Digital products wil be affected (behave badly)? VMS_Mail? SYSMAN?/ > DECWINDOWS? DMQ (except configuration files)?o< > Does anyone of you people have a link or a hint or a clue? > 
 > Groeten, > Lex van Leur >  > EDS International BV) > VKL-Team, Pallas Athenedreef 10, C 1.10e! > 3561 PE Utrecht The Netherlandsn > Tel: (030) - 265 3323h > Fax:(030) - 265 3379   -- -  - mit freundlichen Gruessen | with best regards5   Karl Rohwedder               eC iT-Ingenieurteam     | Ellernbruch 11       | D-38112 Braunschweig 9A Telefon: 0531/515521 | Telefax: 0531/515531 | Mobil: 0172/5434843iE  E-Mail: rohwedder@decus.decus.de           | iT-IngTeam@t-online.de h+          karl.rohwedder@it-ingenieurteam.de  DATEX-P: 4505018005::ROHWEDDER   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:28:43 +0200p, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>9 Subject: Re: VMS: DECNet to TCP/IP migration help wanted.i& Message-ID: <3AC1E70B.34BC93BF@gmx.ch>  
 ")_ex" wrote:e >  > Hello there! > A > Our customer wants to migrate from DECNet(PhIV) to TCP/IP(UCX).s  O You don't "migrate" from DECnet to TCP/IP. They are both network protocols, andSM DECnet is also a product with *many* features TCP/IP doesn't have, of course. 8 DECnet allows things that TCP/IP doesn't and vice versa.  P Your Customer doesn't want to "migrate", your Customer probably wants to install@ CISCO routers, or any equipment using TCP/IP. So, the answer is:  P "Mister Customer, which equipment do you plan to buy and what for?" Then you askL your Customer to purchase DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS, you come backN here when you have received the license and we will all be pleased to help youI configure it. If you have the chance to attend the TCP/IP training, it is J definitely a must, but installation is not so complicated (made by DIGITAL folks).-  N If an UNIX-maniac "specialist" at your Customer's place "wants" to have DECnetP over IP, this is something different. I strongly recommend not to move to DECnetM OSI as it is a complete different product, even if it uses DECnet, of course.r  P No NCP, no "copy kno nod from toto:: to both", no DECnet access when IP is down.P No "open fred"myaccount mypwd"::mydisk:[mydir]myfile.dat" form your programs, noL nothing. And above all, if you use TELNET to access a system and you want toP stop DECnet then restart it, no way. You need to start DECnet *before* you startN IP or you get error messages about your network card initialization and so and so.n  M If your Customer is opened to discussion, come back here to collect dozens ofoN arguments to keep DECnet Phase IV (well, this is my opinion but I share it :-)  N If your Customer said "I don't want DECnet no more", explain him/her that this is a nonsense (sp?).  ? > NT-workstations (Intel based). So partly UCX is used already.-  M UCX V4 and TCP/IP V5 are nearly the same product. Just a name change and manyt
 new features.a  J > Which Digital products wil be affected (behave badly)? VMS_Mail? SYSMAN?/ > DECWINDOWS? DMQ (except configuration files)?V  J None will be affected as long as you keep DECnet up and running, either by itself or via IP.r   D. --  6 MORANDI Consultants, Swiss Quality Computer Consulting6 avenue de Granges-Paccot 2, 1700 Fribourg  Switzerland1     Tel: +41.79.705.46.70 - Fax: +41.26.465.13.58 4  Visit our Web site at http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:28:37 +0200 , From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.n0spam.nl>9 Subject: Re: VMS: DECNet to TCP/IP migration help wanted. = Message-ID: <3ac202ea$0$160$1a0eedbc@dreader2.news.xs4all.nl>U  ? Well, maybe it's time for a DECnet Phase IV vs DECnet/plus war.n  9 "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> wrote in messageo  news:3AC1E70B.34BC93BF@gmx.ch... > ")_ex" wrote:o > >  > > Hello there! > >tC > > Our customer wants to migrate from DECNet(PhIV) to TCP/IP(UCX).- >-B > You don't "migrate" from DECnet to TCP/IP. They are both network protocols, andG > DECnet is also a product with *many* features TCP/IP doesn't have, ofe course. : > DECnet allows things that TCP/IP doesn't and vice versa. > J > Your Customer doesn't want to "migrate", your Customer probably wants to installrB > CISCO routers, or any equipment using TCP/IP. So, the answer is: >eJ > "Mister Customer, which equipment do you plan to buy and what for?" Then you ask_I > your Customer to purchase DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS, you comea backL > here when you have received the license and we will all be pleased to help you4K > configure it. If you have the chance to attend the TCP/IP training, it is3L > definitely a must, but installation is not so complicated (made by DIGITAL	 > folks).- >-I > If an UNIX-maniac "specialist" at your Customer's place "wants" to haveM DECnetK > over IP, this is something different. I strongly recommend not to move toA DECnetG > OSI as it is a complete different product, even if it uses DECnet, ofn course.   E This is ridiculous. Please keep your objectives and your means apart.k  L > No NCP, no "copy kno nod from toto:: to both", no DECnet access when IP is down.mE > No "open fred"myaccount mypwd"::mydisk:[mydir]myfile.dat" form your- programs, noK > nothing. And above all, if you use TELNET to access a system and you wantj toL > stop DECnet then restart it, no way. You need to start DECnet *before* you start1L > IP or you get error messages about your network card initialization and so andl > so.l  K It seems to me that you do not know any fact about DECnet/plus. OK, NCP hasoI been replace by NCL with requires a different mindset. But you definitely3G can do your "open fred"myaccount mypwd"::mydisk:[mydir]myfile.dat" withyK DECnet/plus. Even more, you can do it using TCP/IP as your transport layer.f2 Even more, you wouldn't even notice it if you did!  J With respect to the startup ordering, there is no difference between phaseL IV or plus. If you use DECnet/plus, it gets started before SYSTARTUP_VMS.COME get invoked, so you have to clobber things up do do it the wrong way.1  I And yes, if you access your system using TELNET (or LAT) you can stop andVH restart DECnet/plus. In an early version of DECnet/OSI, when you stoppedF DECnet, you also stopped the csma-cd entity, which in turn stopped allA protocols running over ethernet. That has been solved long since.t   >fL > If your Customer is opened to discussion, come back here to collect dozens ofL > arguments to keep DECnet Phase IV (well, this is my opinion but I share it :-)n >lK > If your Customer said "I don't want DECnet no more", explain him/her thatn this > is a nonsense (sp?). >iA > > NT-workstations (Intel based). So partly UCX is used already.r >sJ > UCX V4 and TCP/IP V5 are nearly the same product. Just a name change and many > new features.o > L > > Which Digital products wil be affected (behave badly)? VMS_Mail? SYSMAN?1 > > DECWINDOWS? DMQ (except configuration files)?n >gL > None will be affected as long as you keep DECnet up and running, either by > itself or via IP.r  J Please explain how you would run DECnet over IP, using TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS, WITHOUT DECnet/plus?-  0 The rest of your arguments are valid, of course!  	 Bart Zorn0
 True Bit B.V.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:22:32 -0500a2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)9 Subject: Re: VMS: DECNet to TCP/IP migration help wanted. L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2803011022320001@user-2ive7u9.dialup.mindspring.com>  5 In article <3AC1E70B.34BC93BF@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi  <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> wrote:    P > If an UNIX-maniac "specialist" at your Customer's place "wants" to have DECnetH > over IP, this is something different. I strongly recommend not to move	 to DECnetlO > OSI as it is a complete different product, even if it uses DECnet, of course.  >t   I don't really agree with this.a  
 > No NCP,   , Right.  NCL instead.  And NCL is, um, weird.  ) > no "copy kno nod from toto:: to both",    L Right.  You use decnet_register instead.  It doesn't suffer NCL's weirdness.  # > no DECnet access when IP is down.b  6 These days, they are usually both up or down together.  O > No "open fred"myaccount mypwd"::mydisk:[mydir]myfile.dat" form your programs,e  N This is just flat out wrong.  The same syntax works perfectly in DECnet-plus. J Even when the underlying link is DECnet over tcpip.  Or are you describing a TCP/IP-only environment?   > noN > nothing. And above all, if you use TELNET to access a system and you want to' > stop DECnet then restart it, no way. t  F Shouldn't one use SYSMAN for this?  SYSMAN speaks a variety of network protocols now, IIRC.  - > You need to start DECnet *before* you starteP > IP or you get error messages about your network card initialization and so and > so.B  1 This is somewhat relaxed in DECnet-plus, I think.h  O > If your Customer is opened to discussion, come back here to collect dozens ofcP > arguments to keep DECnet Phase IV (well, this is my opinion but I share it :-)  G Anyone who objects to DECnet-plus as being too unlike DECnet-IV, should5G REALLY object to replacing DECnet with TCP/IP.  All DECnet functions at4! every level are certain to break.l  P > If your Customer said "I don't want DECnet no more", explain him/her that this > is a nonsense (sp?).  ; Agreed.  DECnet (either flavor) should coexist with TCP/IP.=   -- n Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com9   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:46:27 +0100a- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>i9 Subject: Re: VMS: DECNet to TCP/IP migration help wanted. ) Message-ID: <3AC20753.B19537AE@bbc.co.uk>g   Robert Deininger wrote:W  7 > In article <3AC1E70B.34BC93BF@gmx.ch>, Didier MorandiB  > <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> wrote: >eR > > If an UNIX-maniac "specialist" at your Customer's place "wants" to have DECnetJ > > over IP, this is something different. I strongly recommend not to move > to DECnet Q > > OSI as it is a complete different product, even if it uses DECnet, of course.  > >v >o! > I don't really agree with this.o  
 neither do I.a   >. >t > > No NCP,  > . > Right.  NCL instead.  And NCL is, um, weird. >k   no, NCP is weird.o   >x* > > no "copy kno nod from toto:: to both", > N > Right.  You use decnet_register instead.  It doesn't suffer NCL's weirdness. >e  P or use  (not DEC) DNS servers for a distributed name service. Phase IV never had! that,NCP copy known nodes from isr a workaround for lack of it.   >c% > > no DECnet access when IP is down.t >p  8 agreed, I liked it when I had both transports available.   >l8 > These days, they are usually both up or down together. >   , well, they are if you run DECNET over IP :-)   > Q > > No "open fred"myaccount mypwd"::mydisk:[mydir]myfile.dat" form your programs,  >eO > This is just flat out wrong.  The same syntax works perfectly in DECnet-plus.lL > Even when the underlying link is DECnet over tcpip.  Or are you describing > a TCP/IP-only environment? >l  A agreed, there is no problem with remote DECNET access on Phase V.N   >l > > noP > > nothing. And above all, if you use TELNET to access a system and you want to( > > stop DECnet then restart it, no way. >i  S What ! I only have one box with Phase V, I just logged into it via telnet, executedi@ NETS$SHUTDOWN, executed NET$STARTUP again sucessfully, all whileN logged in via IP. Too much to copy and paste all the output.However, the final message is.r  P %NET$STARTUP-I-OPERSTATUS, DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS operational status is RUNNING -ALL  N So the above statement does not seem to be true to me. Maybe with some earlier version ' of Phase V it might have been an issue.e  < ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------5 PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    STATEH< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------9 DEC VAXVMS AMDS V7.2                Full LP     InstalledC9 DEC VAXVMS DECNET_OSI V7.2          Full LP     Installed09 DEC VAXVMS TCPIP V5.0-11            Full LP     Installedc9 DEC VAXVMS TNT V3.0                 Full LP     Installed 9 DEC VAXVMS VMS V7.2                 Transition  Installede< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------   >aH > Shouldn't one use SYSMAN for this?  SYSMAN speaks a variety of network > protocols now, IIRC. >l/ > > You need to start DECnet *before* you start R > > IP or you get error messages about your network card initialization and so and > > so.e >f3 > This is somewhat relaxed in DECnet-plus, I think.  >zQ > > If your Customer is opened to discussion, come back here to collect dozens ofeR > > arguments to keep DECnet Phase IV (well, this is my opinion but I share it :-) >@I > Anyone who objects to DECnet-plus as being too unlike DECnet-IV, shouldtI > REALLY object to replacing DECnet with TCP/IP.  All DECnet functions at8# > every level are certain to break.i >l   :-) :-)d   >lR > > If your Customer said "I don't want DECnet no more", explain him/her that this > > is a nonsense (sp?). > = > Agreed.  DECnet (either flavor) should coexist with TCP/IP.U  I However, DECNET routing generally is an extra cost option for the networkt management group.?  --e6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukk  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:35:10 -0600h2 From: "Dong, Jerry" <Jerry.Dong@CreditUnion.mb.ca>( Subject: RE: Vol Shadow / Bound Vol Sets> Message-ID: <41BA1DE44D6FD21199DA0000E8665C04C18726@EXCHANGE1>  I You do require both the Volume Shadowing and the RAID license to create ahH RAID 0+1 RAIDset (striped and shadowed).  This is how I would create the RAIDset:  ' 	$ raid initialize /raid_level=0 oracle 1 $1$dkb100,$1$dkb200,$1$dkb300,$1$dkb400,$1$dkb500s 	$ raid bind/shadow raidname3 $1$dkb100,$1$dkb200,$1$dkb300,$1$dkb400,$1$dkb500 -a7 		/use_shadow=(dsa100,dsa200,dsa300,dsa400,dsa500) dpa1m" 	$ initialize dpa1: oracle /system  K note: the RAIDset name and the volume label (oracle in this example) can be 4 different but having them the same makes life easier   	$ mount/system dpa1: oracle2 	$ raid add/shadow oracle $1$dkc100 /device=dsa1002 	$ raid add/shadow oracle $1$dkc200 /device=dsa2002 	$ raid add/shadow oracle $1$dkc300 /device=dsa3002 	$ raid add/shadow oracle $1$dkc400 /device=dsa4002 	$ raid add/shadow oracle $1$dkc500 /device=dsa500 	$ raid show oracle /fulle  I You now have a RAIDset with individually shadowed members.  Check out theu1 examples under RAID in help, they're pretty good.(  I Once you've created the RAIDset, make sure you update RAID$SYSTARTUP.COM,nJ there are templates that bind different types of RAIDsets that you can useI to bind yours during startup.  You do not have to put both shadow membersnL into the startup, they will both get automatically shadowed in.  You do have) add in a mount for the DPA device though.r   Jerryl   
 Jerry Dong Manager, Technical Services?  Credit Union Central of Manitoba Winnipeg, ManitobaK E-mail: Jerry.Dong@CreditUnion.Mb.Ca <mailto:Jerry.Dong@CreditUnion.Mb.Ca> e   -----Original Message-----2 From: John Eisenschmidt [mailto:jeisensc@aaas.org] Sent: March 27, 2001 1:51 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com $ Subject: Vol Shadow / Bound Vol Sets    H The DS20s and the KZPACs are long since gone, and the DS10s with lots ofI disks are on the way. (And by the way, thanks again to everyone who livedh though my testing).-  L So now I have an Alpha on the way with 14 spindles. I suspect my best bet isG to Shadow 2 disks for the system disk and 12 for Oracle? I keep gettingDH conflicting advice about whether or not to shadow the system disk (I say) yes, if you disagree please tell me why).l  K As for the rest, I was hoping someone could help me out with the syntax for J creating a software RAID 10 volume (which I understand requires the VolumeJ Shadowing License or DEC RAID or Compaq RAID or whatever it's called these3 days). The disks are physically arranged like this:o  A DKB 0  |  DKB 100  |  DKB 200  |  DKB 300  |  DKB 400  |  DKB 500   A DKC 0  |  DKC 100  |  DKC 200  |  DKC 300  |  DKC 400  |  DKC 500h  1 Shadow DKB 0 and DKC 0 to create the system disk.V  L Bind DKB 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, and then shadow that to DKC 100, 200, 300,5 400, 500 to create a volume for the Oracle datafiles.    Thanks in Advance, John Eisenschmidtn   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2001 08:00 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)2. Subject: Re: Which lexical use to align data ?- Message-ID: <28MAR200108001958@gerg.tamu.edu>a  5 "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br> writes...r- }I=B4m needing align data in a file. example:o }=20 }      200 =20
 }      300 }      14590
 }      132456E
 }      112 }      4352343 }  } but I want these output: }=20 }       200k }       300@
 }     1459	 }  132456A }       1128 }4352343 }  }  Which lexical should I use ?-  J First, if you're going to try to align things you should set your softwareF to display in a non-proportional font to make sure you really are. TheD "want" section of your output is nothing near aligned. I assume that, you want the aligned on the rightmost digit.  C You should look at the F$FAO lexical. If you use numeric formattingTE directives and specify a field width, it will right align the number.w I.E.:n   $ say :== write sys$output $ say f$fao("!9UL",7)a	         7s $ say f$fao("!9UL",200)v	       200  $ say f$fao("!9UL",99999)t	     99999e  F If you look at that using a non-proportional font, you'll see that theE rightmost digits of each are aligned in the 9th column (under the "f" % in the "fao" on the line above each).y   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:02:58 +0000e  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.comL Subject: Re: Which lexical use to align data ?  [Scanned by Yell	PostMaster]/ Message-ID: <00256A1D.0047B022.00@quegw01.btyp>e  > --0__=H7toaY8TrUjH95eNNvJZJmSXyUM3RQkZI0JjdpPl2n2PzKTDHwJnBLjL* Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inlinen  L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    	 Valdemir,E   Use something along this line;   f$fao("!nnSL",num)  L where nn is the size of the field, and num would be the number [or any other( value or symbol] you wish to output, eg;  % $ write sys$output f$fao("!10SL",123)i   Steve Spires        E "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br> on 28/03/2001 04:13:06 AMd    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)rP From:      "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br>, 28 March 2001, 4:13 a.m.  ? Which lexical use to align data ?  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Working with many databases together makes SQL complain:  G %SQL-F-ERRATTDEF, Could not use database file specified by SQL$DATABASEn6 -RDB-F-SYS_REQUEST, error from system services requestF -RDMS-F-CANTCREGBL, error creating and mapping database global section0 -SYSTEM-F-INSFSPTS, insufficient SPTEs available  . Is it GBLPAGES/GBLSECTIONS as before with VMS?   Thanks,m D. -- n6 MORANDI Consultants, Swiss Quality Computer Consulting6 avenue de Granges-Paccot 2, 1700 Fribourg  Switzerland1     Tel: +41.79.705.46.70 - Fax: +41.26.465.13.58s4  Visit our Web site at http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:38:41 GMTS= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)n3 Subject: Re: [Q] param to increase for unsuff SPTE? 0 Message-ID: <009F9AEA.F4867DD7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  U In article <3AC1E2BA.DD095155@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes:o
 >Hello there,  >oP >What is the system parameter I should increase to enlarge my cache on an Alpha,A >please? Working with many databases together makes SQL complain:i >TH >%SQL-F-ERRATTDEF, Could not use database file specified by SQL$DATABASE7 >-RDB-F-SYS_REQUEST, error from system services requestdG >-RDMS-F-CANTCREGBL, error creating and mapping database global section01 >-SYSTEM-F-INSFSPTS, insufficient SPTEs availablee > / >Is it GBLPAGES/GBLSECTIONS as before with VMS?  >t >Thanks, >D.D >-- 7 >MORANDI Consultants, Swiss Quality Computer Consultingo7 >avenue de Granges-Paccot 2, 1700 Fribourg  Switzerlandd2 >    Tel: +41.79.705.46.70 - Fax: +41.26.465.13.585 > Visit our Web site at http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fro  4 Sounds like you're asking too much of your S0 space.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM,            sO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:32:33 +0200:= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>e3 Subject: Re: [Q] param to increase for unsuff SPTE?e) Message-ID: <3AC1E7F1.719526BB@gtech.com>l   Didier Morandi wrote:eQ > What is the system parameter I should increase to enlarge my cache on an Alpha,sB > please? Working with many databases together makes SQL complain: > I > %SQL-F-ERRATTDEF, Could not use database file specified by SQL$DATABASEo8 > -RDB-F-SYS_REQUEST, error from system services requestH > -RDMS-F-CANTCREGBL, error creating and mapping database global section2 > -SYSTEM-F-INSFSPTS, insufficient SPTEs available > 0 > Is it GBLPAGES/GBLSECTIONS as before with VMS?  ' I think the following speak for itself.t   Arne   MIMER::ARNE> help/mess insfspts   (  INSFSPTS,  insufficient SPTEs available  '   Facility:     SYSTEM, System Servicess  D   Explanation:  There are too few system page table entries to map a process %                 buffer to the system.o  C   User Action:  Reboot the system and increase the SYSGEN parameter  SPTREQ.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:39:00 +0200,. From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@aster.si>3 Subject: Re: [Q] param to increase for unsuff SPTE?e. Message-ID: <xFmw6.179$k8.12160@news.siol.net>   Sorry Arne,t  $ SPTREQ is VAX only SYSGEN parameter.  E Has any one have a suggestion what to look except to reduce WSMAX andt MAXPROCESSCNT?     best, Gorazd     --4 ----------------------------------------------------
 Gorazd Kikelj, OpenVMS system support Aster d.o.o. e-mail: gorazd.kikelj@aster.si www:  www.aster.si    7 "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message3# news:3AC1E7F1.719526BB@gtech.com...t > Didier Morandi wrote:nL > > What is the system parameter I should increase to enlarge my cache on an Alpha,D > > please? Working with many databases together makes SQL complain: > >oK > > %SQL-F-ERRATTDEF, Could not use database file specified by SQL$DATABASEn: > > -RDB-F-SYS_REQUEST, error from system services requestJ > > -RDMS-F-CANTCREGBL, error creating and mapping database global section4 > > -SYSTEM-F-INSFSPTS, insufficient SPTEs available > > 2 > > Is it GBLPAGES/GBLSECTIONS as before with VMS? >k) > I think the following speak for itself.k >n > Arne >o! > MIMER::ARNE> help/mess insfspts  >n* >  INSFSPTS,  insufficient SPTEs available >e) >   Facility:     SYSTEM, System Servicesr >oF >   Explanation:  There are too few system page table entries to map a	 > processr' >                 buffer to the system.  >DE >   User Action:  Reboot the system and increase the SYSGEN parameterh	 > SPTREQ.    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2001 14:32:01 GMT1 From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@radiolinja.fi> 3 Subject: Re: [Q] param to increase for unsuff SPTE?i2 Message-ID: <01c0b794$5a1ce5e0$ae09a8c0@rlhkikker>  5 Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in articlel  <3AC1E7F1.719526BB@gtech.com>... > Didier Morandi wrote:eI > > What is the system parameter I should increase to enlarge my cache ong an    Alpha,   D > > please? Working with many databases together makes SQL complain: > > K > > %SQL-F-ERRATTDEF, Could not use database file specified by SQL$DATABASED: > > -RDB-F-SYS_REQUEST, error from system services requestJ > > -RDMS-F-CANTCREGBL, error creating and mapping database global section4 > > -SYSTEM-F-INSFSPTS, insufficient SPTEs available > > 2 > > Is it GBLPAGES/GBLSECTIONS as before with VMS? > ) > I think the following speak for itself.T >  > Arne > ! > MIMER::ARNE> help/mess insfsptsl > * >  INSFSPTS,  insufficient SPTEs available > ) >   Facility:     SYSTEM, System Serviceso > F >   Explanation:  There are too few system page table entries to map a	 > process-' >                 buffer to the system.R > E >   User Action:  Reboot the system and increase the SYSGEN parameter-	 > SPTREQ.- >  Yes,I  but he mentioned that he is usin VMS on ALPHA platform and I don't quiteCI understand how VAX specific SPTEs relate with that. Of course there is noP) SPTREQ SYSGEN parameter in OpenVMS Alpha.c   -Kari-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:43:31 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>-3 Subject: Re: [Q] param to increase for unsuff SPTE?-8 Message-ID: <3h14ctsgc3kkc1q9u7qikrjkgeggdrmahj@4ax.com>  3 On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:39:00 +0200, "Gorazd Kikelj"  <gorazd.kikelj@aster.si> wrote:e   >Sorry Arne, >P% >SPTREQ is VAX only SYSGEN parameter.e  E Assuming he is really on an Alpha and getting this message then theirlA is definitely a VMS bug. At the very least a documentation bug astE HELP/MESS INSFSPTS points you at SPTREQ on Alpha (7.2-1 and 7.3 EFT2)e  F >Has any one have a suggestion what to look except to reduce WSMAX and >MAXPROCESSCNT?  >n >p
 >best, Gorazdo   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:42:27 GMTn1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>k3 Subject: Re: [Q] param to increase for unsuff SPTE?I2 Message-ID: <3AC214E3.E5D50D6E@clarityconnect.com>  G What was the actual system service being called and the arguments beingcF passed to it and the amount for free S0 space at the time of the call?   Didier Morandi wrote:t >  > Hello there, > Q > What is the system parameter I should increase to enlarge my cache on an Alpha,lB > please? Working with many databases together makes SQL complain: > I > %SQL-F-ERRATTDEF, Could not use database file specified by SQL$DATABASEe8 > -RDB-F-SYS_REQUEST, error from system services requestH > -RDMS-F-CANTCREGBL, error creating and mapping database global section2 > -SYSTEM-F-INSFSPTS, insufficient SPTEs available > 0 > Is it GBLPAGES/GBLSECTIONS as before with VMS? > 	 > Thanks,8 > D. > --8 > MORANDI Consultants, Swiss Quality Computer Consulting8 > avenue de Granges-Paccot 2, 1700 Fribourg  Switzerland3 >     Tel: +41.79.705.46.70 - Fax: +41.26.465.13.58$6 >  Visit our Web site at http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr   -- dD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.174 ************************