1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 30 Mar 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 178       Contents: Re: "green bar" in DCPS  Re: "green bar" in DCPS  Re: "green bar" in DCPS  Re: "green bar" in DCPS  Re: "green bar" in DCPS C "New Technologies", I must have been hallucinating all these years! G Re: "New Technologies", I must have been hallucinating all these years! $ Re: Accessing OpenVMS from Mac OS X? Add a group to UAF Re: Add a group to UAF Re: Add a group to UAF! ALF and decserver 90M with telnet  Alpha 4000/4100 memory FS  Re: Alpha LAN Console  Re: Alpha LAN Console @ Re: Alpha or Vax has to check if a Sun server is still alive HOW@ Re: Alpha or Vax has to check if a Sun server is still alive HOW/ Re: Any IDX (on VMS) sites using fibre channel? ' Re: Anyone recognize part # 30-48115-02 % Re: Backup Savesets on a WinPC system ) BASIC 1.4 install causing a startup error - Re: BASIC 1.4 install causing a startup error - Re: BASIC 1.4 install causing a startup error - Re: BASIC 1.4 install causing a startup error  Better = Worse.   Re: Boring the pants off the COVC Re: Boring the pants off the COV (was RE: Dumbing Down VMS with...) C Re: Boring the pants off the COV (was RE: Dumbing Down VMS with...) C Re: Boring the pants off the COV (was RE: Dumbing Down VMS with...) C Re: Boring the pants off the COV (was RE: Dumbing Down VMS with...) % Re: Can this be done through lexicals % Re: Can this be done through lexicals % Re: Can this be done through lexicals % Re: Can this be done through lexicals  Re: CHAT Server/Client on VMS ?  Re: CHAT Server/Client on VMS ? ) Cluster Breakup - VAX/Alpha Hardware Help  Re: COE implementation details- Re: Communication to local PC ports from VMS.  compaction "nabled"? Re: compaction "nabled"?? Converting NET$PROXY to NETPROXY (backwards from CONVERT_PROXY) ' cool dectalk book on ebay -was about $5  Re: Dave Cutler and his art  Re: Dave Cutler and his art  Re: Dave Cutler and his art  Re: Dave Cutler and his art N DECevent 3.3 abort with "_DIAGNOSE-FAT:  Automatic analysis is still running."# DECnet-Plus Name Resolution Problem ' Re: DECnet-Plus Name Resolution Problem ' Re: DECnet-Plus Name Resolution Problem . Re: Disks capacity in GBytes, not in blocks.... Re: Disks capacity in GBytes, not in blocks...! DS20 + RA7000 Packages This month  dsn 9 Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS 9 Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS P Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS      EducationalPrograP Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS     EducationalProgramP Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS Educati   onalProgram)P Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS Educati onalProgram) oP Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS EducationalProgram) PrP Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS EducationalProgram) PrP Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS EducationalProgram) Pr  Emulex UC04 SCSI controller card4 Re: executing commands on behalf of another terminal4 Re: executing commands on behalf of another terminal Re: fdvshr.exe Re: fdvshr.exe Re: fdvshr.exe Re: fdvshr.exe  Re: File version update question  Re: File version update question FS alphaserver 4000/4100 Memory # Getting % Merged or Copied from DCL ! I need help sorting a file ahhhh! % Re: I need help sorting a file ahhhh! > Re: INSFSPTS - insufficient SPTEs available (on OpenVMS Alpha)( It's not boring any more, IT'S INSULTING Java replacement? = Re: Keeping userids and passwords synchronize across 4 Alphas = Re: Keeping userids and passwords synchronize across 4 Alphas 9 Keeping userids and passwords synchronize across 4 Alphas = Re: Keeping userids and passwords synchronize across 4 Alphas = Re: Keeping userids and passwords synchronize across 4 Alphas  Re: listserv program Re: LK450 question' Re: login failure when sysuaf is locked  RE: LPD - OpenVMS to Solaris& Re: LPD/LPR Config with UCX on VMS 6.2 Mail Events. Re: Mail Events." Re: Main production system crashed" Re: Main production system crashed" Re: Main production system crashed Re: MicroVax II problem  Need SYBASE expertise on VMSP New qualifiers for some DCL commands (was: Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX ElemenP Re: New qualifiers for some DCL commands (was: Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX ElP Re: New qualifiers for some DCL commands (was: Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX ElP Re: New qualifiers for some DCL commands (was: Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX El Re: NSA and storage works? Polycenter Scheduler v2.1 # Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions # Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions # Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions # Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions # Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions # Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions # Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions # Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions # Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions ( Problem Booting Installed VMS 7.2 System, Re: Problem Booting Installed VMS 7.2 System, Re: Problem Booting Installed VMS 7.2 System, Re: Problem Booting Installed VMS 7.2 System, Re: Problem Booting Installed VMS 7.2 System, Re: Problem Booting Installed VMS 7.2 System* Problem installing OpenVMS 7.2 on a Multia" Re: Problems with CSWS and CGI-BIN Re: Reading UDF CDs  Re: Reading UDF CDs  Re: Reading UDF CDs  Re: Reading UDF CDs  Re: Reading UDF CDs  Re: Reading UDF CDs  Re: Reading UDF CDs & Re: Release notes for TCPIP AXP V5.0A?/ RE: SDL Structure/Interface Definition Language . Re: Senior OpenVMS systems manager - SINGAPORE9 Source listing do NOT coincide with the operating system. = Re: Source listing do NOT coincide with the operating system. = Re: Source listing do NOT coincide with the operating system.  Re: speeding up shadow merges  Re: speeding up shadow merges  Re: Spice for OpenVMS Alpha? Re: Spice for OpenVMS Alpha? Re: Support of old systems Re: Support of old systems Re: Support of old systems Re: Support of old systems Re: Support of old systems Re: Support of old systems Systems & Options catalogs Re: Telnet Security . Re: the Northeast Digital Systems Ebay Follies) THE WORLDS BEST PC SECURITY PROGRAM  9952 * Re: They aren't ever going to learn but...* Re: They aren't ever going to learn but...& They aren't ever going to learn but...* Re: They aren't ever going to learn but...' Re: Uaf Show/rights status bug (v7.2-1) ' Re: Uaf Show/rights status bug (v7.2-1) & Re: unable to ftp for certain user a/c Upgrading to alphavms 7.2-1  Re: Upgrading to alphavms 7.2-1  Re: Upgrading to alphavms 7.2-1  Re: VAX market value RE: VAX market value Re: VAX market value- Re: VMS 8byte datetime > Unix datetime - help - Re: VMS 8byte datetime > Unix datetime - help - Re: VMS 8byte datetime > Unix datetime - help - Re: VMS 8byte datetime > Unix datetime - help - Re: VMS 8byte datetime > Unix datetime - help - Re: VMS 8byte datetime > Unix datetime - help = Re: VMS COE docs online (was POSIX Streams, File Permissions) = Re: VMS COE docs online (was POSIX Streams, File Permissions) = VMS COE docs online (was Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions) A Re: VMS COE docs online (was Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions) A Re: VMS COE docs online (was Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions) A Re: VMS COE docs online (was Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions) A RE: VMS COE docs online (was Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions) A Re: VMS COE docs online (was Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions) 2 Re: VMS filesystem as a single tree with one root.2 Re: VMS filesystem as a single tree with one root.! Re: VMS source listings omittings ! Re: VMS source listings omittings ! Re: VMS source listings omittings ! Re: VMS source listings omittings ) Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job ) Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job ) Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job ) Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job 0 Re: VMS: DECNet to TCP/IP migration help wanted.P Re: VMS: DECNet to TCP/IP migration help wanted. (this is in Dutch, sorry...) so Re: Vol Shadow / Bound Vol Sets  Re: Vol Shadow / Bound Vol Sets 2 Re: vpn clients can not telnet into a Vax or Alpha	 Re: vt200 	 Re: vt200 : Was: [DCL] minute of the day. Now: IT pranks of yesteryear9 Re: What part of Attunity Connect is included in OpenVMS? # Where is the Alpha instruction set? ' Re: Where is the Alpha instruction set? ' Re: Where is the Alpha instruction set? % Re: Which lexical use to align data ? " Re: Which TCPIP ports are active ?( Will the VIOC be fixed in VMS Alpha 7.3? WRQ Reflection 9.0 beta  Re: [DCL] minute of the day  Re: [DCL] minute of the day  Re: [DCL] minute of the day  Re: [DCL] minute of the day  Re: [DCL] minute of the day  Re: [DCL] minute of the day  Re: [DCL] minute of the day , [INFO] rebuild missing/corrupt PCSI$DATABASE0 Re: [Q] PCSI error with FILE FRED SOURCE FOOBAR;) Re: [SOAPBOX] sys$specific or sys$common? ) Re: [SOAPBOX] sys$specific or sys$common? ) Re: [SOAPBOX] sys$specific or sys$common?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2001 14:27:05 -05003 From: malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg)   Subject: Re: "green bar" in DCPS3 Message-ID: <AQNs4pwVdVGu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   K In article <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB75001925A6E@rlghncst625.usps.gov>, 8 "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.government> writes:  * > Sometimes our Printserver 32 prints with) > line numbering and shaded bars that are ! > reminiscent of green bar paper.   + If you like that, for plain text files use:    /param=(data_type=list)   ) > This seems to occur most often when the ) > parameter /PARAM=(SIDES=2) is used, but  > it's by no means consistent.  , Yes it is consistent, if you know the rules.  ) > Does anybody know exactly how this gets  > triggered?   $help print_parameter data_type   G This will give you a start.  The default list of file extensions should @ be in the DCPS manual somewhere, and IIRC: you can customize it.  B Note: DCPS_OPEN license required for this functionality currently.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:36:48 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)   Subject: Re: "green bar" in DCPS0 Message-ID: <009F972F.27E44C90@SendSpamHere.ORG>  } In article <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB75001925A6E@rlghncst625.usps.gov>, "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> writes: ) >Sometimes our Printserver 32 prints with ( >line numbering and shaded bars that are  >reminiscent of green bar paper. > ( >This seems to occur most often when the( >parameter /PARAM=(SIDES=2) is used, but >it's by no means consistent.  > ( >Does anybody know exactly how this gets >triggered?  > 2 >(Paging Paul Anderson... paging Paul Anderson...) >;^) >  >============================== + >William W. Webb, EDS, c/o USPS DSSC/OSS/MS / >4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616 919 874 3043  >   J Look in the manual for the discussion of DCPS$FILE_EXTENSION_DATA_TYPE.DAT  H Depending upon the file extension of the file being sent to the printer,G this file determines who to format that output.   Usually, any language 2 source files will be printed with the "green bar".  G FYI, if you have a color laser, create a setup file with the following:   ' /setgray { .6 exch .6 setrgbcolor } def   I and place it in your DCPS setup library (I call it GREY2GREEN).  Then, if I you issue a PRINT/SETUP=GREY2GREEN/.... <file.ext>, the grey bars are now  green. --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:39:42 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: "green bar" in DCPS1 Message-ID: <2ENu6.111$fB6.3965@news.cpqcorp.net>   } In article <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB75001925A6E@rlghncst625.usps.gov>, "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> writes: I :Sometimes our Printserver 32 prints with line numbering and shaded bars  + :that are reminiscent of green bar paper... 3 :Does anybody know exactly how this gets triggered?   H   This behaviour is based on the file extension, or by explicit request "   via PRINT /PARAM=DATA_TYPE=LIST.  F   To customize the processing of file extensions within DCPS, use the    information available in:   9     SYS$LIBRARY:DCPS$FILE_EXTENSION_DATA_TYPE.DAT_DEFAULT   #   to create your own site-specific:   1     SYS$LIBRARY:DCPS$FILE_EXTENSION_DATA_TYPE.DAT      D   On a related note, the separator tray logical name feature that isI   available with DCPS-PLUS is handy.  With a printer supporting multiple  K   paper trays, you can define this logical name to the (smallest-capacity)  J   tray and fill it with colored paper, and the print separator pages will 2   be printed on the colored paper from that tray.   8     $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC DCPS$queuename_SEPARATOR_TRAY n  =   Where n is the (numeric) tray containing the colored paper.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:43:16 -0500 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>  Subject: Re: "green bar" in DCPSK Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-A3965D.14431623032001@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>   3 In article <AQNs4pwVdVGu@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 5  malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg) wrote:   M > In article <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB75001925A6E@rlghncst625.usps.gov>, : > "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.government> writes: > E > Sometimes our Printserver 32 prints with line numbering and shaded  / > bars that are reminiscent of green bar paper.  > B > This will give you a start. The default list of file extensions F > should be in the DCPS manual somewhere, and IIRC: you can customize  > it.    The file to look for is D SYS$LIBRARY:DCPS$FILE_EXTENSION_DATA_TYPE.DAT_DEFAULT.  If you make % changes, copy the file to .DAT first.    Paul   --  ,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Mar 2001 06:10 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)   Subject: Re: "green bar" in DCPS- Message-ID: <24MAR200106101130@gerg.tamu.edu>   3 "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> writes... ) }Sometimes our Printserver 32 prints with ( }line numbering and shaded bars that are  }reminiscent of green bar paper. } ( }This seems to occur most often when the( }parameter /PARAM=(SIDES=2) is used, but }it's by no means consistent.  } ( }Does anybody know exactly how this gets }triggered?  } 2 }(Paging Paul Anderson... paging Paul Anderson...) };^) }  }============================== + }William W. Webb, EDS, c/o USPS DSSC/OSS/MS     5 I;m not Paul Anderson, nor do I play him on TV but...   > The file sys$library:dcps$file_extension_Data_type.dat_default& defines data types by file extensions.  A Note the LIST data type, which has a section something like this:  LIST:          B32          BAS          BLI 	         C          CBL          COM          CPP          CXX          FOR 	         H          HXX          MAR          MMS          PAS          PLI          R32          REQ   C Now note that there is probably a 1:1 correlation between the files A that get printed with "grey bar" output and line numbers and this ? list of file types (unless the default is explicitly overridden 4 at the print command, or possibly queue parameters).   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:44:16 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) L Subject: "New Technologies", I must have been hallucinating all these years!0 Message-ID: <009F97BE.B1191478@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ; Here's a excerpt from the WSJ about new Apple O/S features:   :      Two new technologies help applications run smoother--:      preemptive multitasking, which prioritizes processing;      power, and protected memory, which lets other programs0'      run even when another has crashed.C    B Preemptive multitasking and protected memory are new technologies?   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             eO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.u   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:10:16 GMTr& From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com>P Subject: Re: "New Technologies", I must have been hallucinating all these years!< Message-ID: <cX8v6.8875$086.1315093@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>  . And apparently to the Wall Street Journal too!  8 "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@wpi.edu> wrote in messageB news:FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D0DF083@petra.admin.wpi.edu... They are to Apple!   > -----Original Message-----F > From: Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- [mailto:system@SendSpamHere.ORG]( > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 7:44 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com G > Subject: "New Technologies", I must have been hallucinating all these= > years! >  >i= > Here's a excerpt from the WSJ about new Apple O/S features:  > < >      Two new technologies help applications run smoother--< >      preemptive multitasking, which prioritizes processing= >      power, and protected memory, which lets other programss) >      run even when another has crashed.. >  >eD > Preemptive multitasking and protected memory are new technologies? >l > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >T? > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets aree > named after them.  >d   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:31:30 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>- Subject: Re: Accessing OpenVMS from Mac OS X?(4 Message-ID: <6x8w6.310$Hp.15258@typhoon.aracnet.com>  1 Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> wrote: I > Does Mac OS X not see native AppleTalk shares?  I know the Public Beta  G > didn't see them, but I thought the released version would see shares s? > such as those from PATHWORKS for OpenVMS (Macintosh) servers.P  K Unfortunatly it can only use native AppleTalk for printing (I've not testedkI printing, but it sees the HP5MP I've got on a Ethernet-to-Localtalk box).n  K > I've not yet upgraded my office Mac to OS X (I know, what's taking me so  I > long? ;-)) and I'd like to know what barriers I will have in upgrading.(  K I'm not sure you want to upgrade at this point if you need to access native K Appletalk shares.  There are a lot of people that aren't happy about this.  J This means that people also can't access older Mac's or Unix boxes runningI Netatalk.  I'm hoping that there are enough people that this is causing a K problem for that either Apple will put the feature back in, or someone will( release a 3rd party solution.r  K I downloaded and have installed 'XonX' with XFree86 v4.0.3, and it seems tooJ work just fine to talk to a Solaris workstation (my OpenVMS server doesn'tJ have DECwindows installed, and I didn't have a chance to check the cablingK and turn on one of my OpenVMS Workstations).  If you try it, just make surenL you know the keystrokes to get back to Aqua.  I'll probably use XonX until aA native version of 'eXodus' is released, and then upgrade to that.e  L By running X-Windows I should be able to remap an Xterm to have the keyboardF correctly mapped for VMS, but I'd still like to find a good native OSX terminal program.   K So, now my only real problem remaining is accessing the Appletalk shares onpK my VMS box (I still can't get that to work via NFS).  I'm starting to thinkeH that the problem with accessing the OpenVMS box via NFS might be how theL braindead OSX box is ID'ing itself.  I just telnet'd to it, and it says it'sI 'localhost', instead of 'odin'.  I'm now trying to figure out how to makenI sure it's hostname is set to 'odin' when I reboot.  Why, oh why, did theya5 have to keep NeXTsteps networking configuration mess!r  E BTW, anyone trying to get OSX working will probably want to do a 'man.I niload' so you can figure out how to load your own /etc/hosts if you neede to.n   			Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:29:11 +1000 - From: "Dick Adams" <adams.dick.rc@bhp.com.au>i Subject: Add a group to UAF 4 Message-ID: <9a15l7$jho$1@gossamer.itmel.bhp.com.au>  I I have been trying to create a group identifier for a group which doesn't:	 have one.wD I thought ADD/ID/VALUE=UIC:[GRPno,177777] GRPname would work, but itL doesn't. I am certain I have done it before but nothing I am trying seems to) work, can anyone shed some light on this?n   TIA,     Dick   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:05:58 -0500e' From: Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org>, Subject: Re: Add a group to UAFe, Message-ID: <3AC42246.20ABE4EA@ui.urban.org>  " ADD/ID/VALUE=UIC:[GRPno,*] GRPname   Dick Adams wrote:O > K > I have been trying to create a group identifier for a group which doesn'tb > have one.nF > I thought ADD/ID/VALUE=UIC:[GRPno,177777] GRPname would work, but itN > doesn't. I am certain I have done it before but nothing I am trying seems to+ > work, can anyone shed some light on this?. >  > TIA,
 >     Dick   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)N' Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/)D. ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:19:33 +1000s- From: "Dick Adams" <adams.dick.rc@bhp.com.au>/ Subject: Re: Add a group to UAFe4 Message-ID: <9a18jl$3g1$1@gossamer.itmel.bhp.com.au>  8 Thanks Jim, it works fine, why couldn't I think of that.      2 Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org> wrote in message& news:3AC42246.20ABE4EA@ui.urban.org...$ > ADD/ID/VALUE=UIC:[GRPno,*] GRPname >d > Dick Adams wrote:i > > E > > I have been trying to create a group identifier for a group whichh doesn'tu
 > > have one.sH > > I thought ADD/ID/VALUE=UIC:[GRPno,177777] GRPname would work, but itG > > doesn't. I am certain I have done it before but nothing I am tryingy seems to- > > work, can anyone shed some light on this?o > >s > > TIA, > >     Dick >i > -- > Jim Becker- > The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)r) > Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/)r0 > ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:43:12 +0100t" From: "Patrick" <peerbe@yahoo.com>* Subject: ALF and decserver 90M with telnet4 Message-ID: <99imbi$1f44h$1@ID-40248.news.dfncis.de>   All,  2 I have setup a decserver 90M with telnet protocol.L Is there a way to use ALF in the same way as for the LAT-protocol. ( alf add "server/port" user /port).   Thanks   PatrickM   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:44:12 GMTa( From: "Mrvax" <mr.nospamvax@hotmail.com>" Subject: Alpha 4000/4100 memory FS8 Message-ID: <Mlbw6.898$zK6.174717@typhoon.austin.rr.com>  L I have the following memory sitting in surpluss and will consider selling ifK any interest: All server were upgraded to 4GB so we don't need them anymoreOJ all are working. All prices are in U.S. dollars. I will use paypal or someK means of escrow to ensure that the memory works and the funds clear. PleasesG reply to the board if interested I would be willing to sell it in otherP< configurations just post to the group and I will contact you  9 4 sets of 128 MB (64mb per board)   Asking $250 per 128MBn4 2 sets of 1GB (512mb per board)  Asking $2800 per GB8 2 sets of 512MB (256MB per board) Asking $1500 per 512MB   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2001 02:48:48 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Alpha LAN Console- Message-ID: <87zoe759pr.fsf@prep.synonet.com>m  + fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:s  C > Any idea if Compaq will launch a LAN Console card for Alphas likeeA > the Compaq Remote Insight Board - RIB or the HP LAN Console ???   1 Will? It has been on several systems for years...r   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:29:58 -0800h. From: Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> Subject: Re: Alpha LAN Console( Message-ID: <3AC0EA36.921CF53A@vmmc.org>   Paul Repacholi wrote:i  - > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:i >tE > > Any idea if Compaq will launch a LAN Console card for Alphas like C > > the Compaq Remote Insight Board - RIB or the HP LAN Console ???  > 3 > Will? It has been on several systems for years...o >h  A Could you give the product name and a quick explanation of how itI works?  thanks.i   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Mar 2001 09:07:22 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)eI Subject: Re: Alpha or Vax has to check if a Sun server is still alive HOW$0 Message-ID: <99f3oa$avg$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  Y In article <99dv5j$9g5$1@news1.xs4all.nl>, "anonymous" <verledentijd@hotmail.com> writes:sE >I need to check every hour if a Sun station is still up and running.-M >And if not than the DCL procedure should page or sms or something like that.2 >But how do I start, >nI >Should I try a ping every hour, or and rsh command or an rlogin command.:L >Has anyone done this before, and if so can you email me what you have done.A >I think it is not that difficult but I dont know where to start,t  N We do something similar here. We use "ping" to check whether certain computersI are up. And then a while ago I posted my program to control a voice-modem 8 (http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/groups/gartmann/phone.zip) .' Here we do (I stripped off some stuff):    $ !s $ ASSIGN "LTA6:" phdev $ ! F $ SET NOON                             ! because of unsuccessfull PING$ $ dphone == "$mpi_exe:phone_message" $label1:. $    MULTINET PING my_host /QUIET/DATA=4/NUM=1 $    IF .NOT. $statuse $       THEN $       now = F$TIME()7 $       dnow = F$CVTIME( now, "COMPARISON", "DATETIME")O* $       dday = F$CVTIME( now, , "WEEKDAY")? $       dstart = F$CVTIME("09:00:00", "COMPARISON", "DATETIME") > $       dstop = F$CVTIME("18:00:00", "COMPARISON", "DATETIME")O $       IF dnow .GTS. dstart .AND. dnow .LTS. dstop .AND. dday .NES. "Sunday" -B&            .AND. dday .NES. "Saturday" $          THENWA $          dphone diskb:[prg.mpi.data]prt39.vox 6 123 456 1234567v $       ELSEH $          dphone diskb:[prg.mpi.data]prt39.vox 6 321 654 7654321 989898
 $       ENDIFi $       EXIT
 $    ENDIF $    WAIT 00:00:10.00/ $    GOTO label1 $ EXIT   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2001 20:56:18 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>I Subject: Re: Alpha or Vax has to check if a Sun server is still alive HOW.- Message-ID: <87elvoprt9.fsf@prep.synonet.com>P  . "anonymous" <verledentijd@hotmail.com> writes:  F > I need to check every hour if a Sun station is still up and running.C > And if not than the DCL procedure should page or sms or something ! > like that.  But how do I start,   D TO do it reliably, you need to turn it around. The other system must> send a heart-beat to the monitoring system every <time>. If noC heat-beat is heard by <time>+10% ( say ) or id it *is* heard beforeoA 90% of the interval, you declare the machine insane and raise the6 alarm.   -- o< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda..@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 03:22:12 GMTg$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>8 Subject: Re: Any IDX (on VMS) sites using fibre channel?) Message-ID: <3AC15914.736FDD33@wi.rr.com>e  H Thanks for replying.  What version of VMS?  The only one that works with
 fc: 7.2-1. We're an ISM shop.  G We tried to move a UCI to the fc drives and the IDX application did not  likeF that when we started the software.  We did a little testing last night and weA think that our problems over the weekend were related to implicit-
 referencesH in the UCIs.  The first UCI we moved to the new disks happened to be one with an implicit
 reference.  H We're thinking that not all of the device pointers that used to point to DPAnnnn: got switched to _$1$DGAnn:.o  ; We should have picked an easier one for our first move. :^)u  
 -Scott :^)  
 Koloth wrote:r  C > We don't use IDX but do use DSM.  Can you explain what version of-B > OpenVMS.  Are you using DSM? what version?  What problem are you# > seeing.  We have not had problemsO >V > Cass Witkowski > SAIC >c > Scott Vieth wrote: >- > > Hi:- > > B > > I need to hear from IDX sites (on VMS) that have their UCIs onC > > fibre channel devices.  I tried to move a UCI to one of our new-: > > $1$DGAnn: drives and the IDX environment was not happy; > > when we started things up and tried to access that UCI.R > >r1 > > Yes, I've got an open case with CSS.....  :^)5 > >32 > > Please email me directly so we can correspond. > >p > > Thanks,. > >p > > -Scott :^)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:10:47 GMT4+ From: Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com>s0 Subject: Re: Anyone recognize part # 30-48115-02+ Message-ID: <3AC10A29.FD670687@ins-msi.com>u  @ I believe this is an FR-PCTAR-xx, which is a non-VMS controller.  
 Jeff Campbell  n8wxs@arrl.net   Dean Woodward wrote: > 3 > DEC 2 channel RAID controller, part # 30-48115-02h > B > If anyone knows what this is (and, especially, if VMS likes it),@ > I'd appreciate it.  (A quick check of Compaq's main site turns( > up null; I'm unsure where else to go.)   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Mar 2001 21:25:02 GMT' From: dcpik@bbc.com (David Pikcilingis)p. Subject: Re: Backup Savesets on a WinPC system1 Message-ID: <985903220.228951@ohreally.bosbc.com>r  ) In article <3AC06F52.695AEF16@gtech.com>,c, Arne Vajhj  <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote: + John Cushnie wrote:eK + > I have a WinPC with a DAT tape connected and lots of old OpenVMS BACKUPP
 + > tapes.P + > Is there any software out there I can use to open/modify the BACKUP savesets + > on the tapes ? + > 2 + > Or is this only possible on an OpenVMS system. +   M If you can use some variety of UNIX on the Intel machine we can help you now.w  L Boston Business Computing makes Vbackup which was designed to read and write BACKUP savesets on UNIX.  6 We will be coming out with a WindPC version this year.   See more at:        www.bosbc.com   Regards,   David Pikcilingish  > Boston Business Computing            OpenVMS to UNIX Solutions> 13 Branch Street                            PH : (978)725-3222> Methuen, MA 01844-1955    www.bosbc.com     FAX: (978)725-3229   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:30:58 GMT + From: rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan) 2 Subject: BASIC 1.4 install causing a startup error3 Message-ID: <S0Ru6.2613$JN5.78384@news.goodnet.com>   H We have a new DS10 being configured for a customer.  600MHz, 256MB, dualE 9GB drives on a KZPBA controller, etc.  We have a personal use BASIC tC license  assigned to the development account name (not SYSTEM), andaC used SYSTEM to install BASIC 1.4 from the March 2001 condist.  Full-G privs were enabled, andd there were no errors on install except for theH? IVP (which failed because SYSTEM is not licensed to use BASIC).i  L Since that install, we get the following error very early in system startup:  A  %INSTALL-I-NONSHRADR, image installed ignoring '/SHARE=ADDRESS' l8      DISK$ALPHASYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>DEC$BASRTL.EXEI  -INSTALL-E-NOTSHRSYMVEC, symbol vector is not in NONSHRADR image sections  F There is a mention of the INSTALL-I-NONSHRADR message coming up duringH the install of BASIC, with the fix of makign sure all privs are enabled,B but I haven't been able to locate any reference to it happening inD system startup (checked Google/deja, VMS Wizard, and DSNlink).  I'llA put a call in on Monday, but was hoping someone here might have af quicker answer.-  2 I have done the following to try and correct this:  B      Relicense BASIC to SYSTEM and reinstall (IVP passed, no help)D      Checked ECOs newer than installed for relevant info (underway).  8 Following products installed (plus VMSINSTAL kits below)  < ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------5 PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    STATED< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------9 DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.2-1   Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-5           Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS NS_NAV_EXPORT V3.3       Full LP     InstalledS9 DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.2-1           Platform    Installeda9 DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.1-15            Full LP     Installedt9 DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.2-1               Oper System Installedo< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------    A Following ECOs installed (done a few weeks ago, I know that therer? are a updates available, some of which are planned for install)a   DEC AXPVMS VMS721_CPU2208 V1.0 DEC AXPVMS VMS721_DDTM V1.0  DEC AXPVMS VMS721_DQCONFIG V2.0? DEC AXPVMS VMS721_DRIVER V1.0P DEC AXPVMS VMS721_F11X V2.00  DEC AXPVMS VMS721_FIBRECHAN V3.0 DEC AXPVMS VMS721_IPC V1.0 DEC AXPVMS VMS721_LAN V1.0 DEC AXPVMS VMS721_P350 V1.0m DEC AXPVMS VMS721_PCSI V1.0- DEC AXPVMS VMS721_SCSI V1.0a  DEC AXPVMS VMS721_SHADOWING V3.0 DEC AXPVMS VMS721_SYS V8.0 DEC AXPVMS VMS721_UPDATE V1.0i  @ And the following VMSINSTAL kits (preinstalls, I only did BASIC)   OPEN3DA          |  4.9  ALPDWEUR01_U5    |  1.2  DIAA             |  3.3O FIIVA01          |  7.2a BASIC            |  1.4   & Thanks much for any thoughts or ideas.   Rich Jordan  rjordan@mcs.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:33:19 -0700 5 From: "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com>n6 Subject: Re: BASIC 1.4 install causing a startup error) Message-ID: <u0Gjy8GtAHA.351@cpmsnbbsa07>   8 "Richard Jordan" <rjordan@mars.mcs.net> wrote in message- news:S0Ru6.2613$JN5.78384@news.goodnet.com...oJ > We have a new DS10 being configured for a customer.  600MHz, 256MB, dualF > 9GB drives on a KZPBA controller, etc.  We have a personal use BASICE > license  assigned to the development account name (not SYSTEM), andaE > used SYSTEM to install BASIC 1.4 from the March 2001 condist.  Full I > privs were enabled, andd there were no errors on install except for theoA > IVP (which failed because SYSTEM is not licensed to use BASIC).  >eE > Since that install, we get the following error very early in systemt startup: >0B >  %INSTALL-I-NONSHRADR, image installed ignoring '/SHARE=ADDRESS': >      DISK$ALPHASYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>DEC$BASRTL.EXEK >  -INSTALL-E-NOTSHRSYMVEC, symbol vector is not in NONSHRADR image sectiono  K I have a (hobbyist system) 200 4/233 running OpenVMS 7.2-1 and (among othercJ things) have the BASIC 1.4 compiler installed on it (I believe I pulled itK off the 12/2000 distribution). I get the same message every time I boot theo	 system...t  I As a hobbyist system "support" doesn't really exist. I did find somethingdI (and I want to say that it was in the install manual on the CD along withiI the BASIC kit) that discussed this problem. Were ever it was that I foundhJ the information - I seem to remember the explanation being something alongB the lines of this particular version of the compiler wasn't "builtK correctly" (reading this warmed my heart). There was also a disclaimer that : there is no need to worry about this particular message...  F ...I don't remember the "order that I built the system." Good, bad, orJ otherwise there weren't any autogens after I installed the BASIC compiler.H At some subsequent point I did autogen it after which point the compilerD refused to run (don't remember the exact error message) and I had toH reinstall it. I've been toying with the idea of another autogen recently? (and memories of the last go round are in the back of my head).o  L All of this is somewhat foggy. I did have the 2nd 7.3 field test on there atK one point (hoping it would correct problems in the SET PRINTER command that H exist it 7.2-1 - no such luck). This "fogginess" may have me rememberingI incorrectly what it was that broke the installation of the BASIC compilerkK (autogen or the 7.3 field test) so take all of this with a grain of salt...-   Joe-   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:52:21 GMT@+ From: rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan)A6 Subject: Re: BASIC 1.4 install causing a startup error3 Message-ID: <Fw2v6.2647$JN5.82141@news.goodnet.com>    Joe,J      thanks for responding.  I'll recheck the on-disc docs, but I'm prettyE sure all I coudl find was the mention in the relnotes about the erroroH occurring during product installation, not during system startup.  We'll see what comes up...   Rich Jordans CCSo   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 04:13:51 GMTn0 From: John Santos <john.santos@post.harvard.edu>6 Subject: Re: BASIC 1.4 install causing a startup error> Message-ID: <MPG.15273b4db7a223a798968b@news.bellatlantic.net>  G In article <u0Gjy8GtAHA.351@cpmsnbbsa07>, cstranslations@email.msn.com / says...: > : > "Richard Jordan" <rjordan@mars.mcs.net> wrote in message/ > news:S0Ru6.2613$JN5.78384@news.goodnet.com...cL > > We have a new DS10 being configured for a customer.  600MHz, 256MB, dualH > > 9GB drives on a KZPBA controller, etc.  We have a personal use BASICG > > license  assigned to the development account name (not SYSTEM), andeG > > used SYSTEM to install BASIC 1.4 from the March 2001 condist.  FullhK > > privs were enabled, andd there were no errors on install except for the.C > > IVP (which failed because SYSTEM is not licensed to use BASIC).o > > G > > Since that install, we get the following error very early in system 
 > startup: > >eD > >  %INSTALL-I-NONSHRADR, image installed ignoring '/SHARE=ADDRESS'< > >      DISK$ALPHASYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>DEC$BASRTL.EXEM > >  -INSTALL-E-NOTSHRSYMVEC, symbol vector is not in NONSHRADR image section3 > M > I have a (hobbyist system) 200 4/233 running OpenVMS 7.2-1 and (among other L > things) have the BASIC 1.4 compiler installed on it (I believe I pulled itM > off the 12/2000 distribution). I get the same message every time I boot thes > system...r  G I do too, on 10 different systems, all with VMS V7.2-1 and BASIC 1.4.  c9 Many different hardware models.  It seems to be harmless.0  @ At one point, I came across something that implied it was due toC installing an ECO after BASIC that caused a reversion in DEC$BASRTL.? (replaced a new version with an old version).  I think this is  G incorrect, but may have applied to BASIC V1.3.  Anyway, the recommendedGB cure was to re-install BASIC V1.4 (which is quite a bit newer thanC VMS V7.2-1), but that didn't have any effect.  I figure they'll fixh
 it in V1.5...o   > K > As a hobbyist system "support" doesn't really exist. I did find somethingnK > (and I want to say that it was in the install manual on the CD along withaK > the BASIC kit) that discussed this problem. Were ever it was that I foundoL > the information - I seem to remember the explanation being something alongD > the lines of this particular version of the compiler wasn't "builtM > correctly" (reading this warmed my heart). There was also a disclaimer that:< > there is no need to worry about this particular message...  F I have the same vague memories, but since it works, I haven't pursued  it.q   > H > ...I don't remember the "order that I built the system." Good, bad, orL > otherwise there weren't any autogens after I installed the BASIC compiler.J > At some subsequent point I did autogen it after which point the compilerF > refused to run (don't remember the exact error message) and I had toJ > reinstall it. I've been toying with the idea of another autogen recentlyA > (and memories of the last go round are in the back of my head).   C I don't think autogen should have any affect on the BASIC compiler hA (except to make it run better if your system was badly mistuned.)3C Maybe the feedback was bogus and you reduced global pages or globalcE sections too much and BASIC couldn't be installed?  I think it shouldNC still run, just slower to activate and no code-sharing of the RTL's 
 and compiler.A  N > All of this is somewhat foggy. I did have the 2nd 7.3 field test on there atM > one point (hoping it would correct problems in the SET PRINTER command thatsJ > exist it 7.2-1 - no such luck). This "fogginess" may have me rememberingK > incorrectly what it was that broke the installation of the BASIC compileraM > (autogen or the 7.3 field test) so take all of this with a grain of salt....  F I think one of the 7.2-1 ECO's fixed SET PRINTER, but SHOW PRINTER is B still broken. (I could have that backwards.)  I can't believe theyG haven't fixed it in 7.3.  Usually this kind of problem is just that theuF .CLD that the SET PRINTER utility was built with is different from theA one in the DCLTABLES (one was updated but not the other), and re-c# compiling everything should fix it.e   > Joes >  >  >    -- w John Santosd   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2001 21:52:23 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Better = Worse.0 Message-ID: <877l1fjmug.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>  + Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:/  D > I admire your efficiency in destroying the "UNIX is better because' > it's simpler and more flexible" tale.6  , Let me put it in VERY straight foward terms.  6 1) Unix is *better* because it is simple and flexible.  6 2) Unix is *worse*  because it is simple and flexible.  E Now before you jump up and down about the above, please take the time$, to read Hoffsteader, or get Godel's paper...  B These is no inconsistancy in what I stated; it is incomplete.  The@ missing element is where you use it, and thus, the definition of better.   C But, by any modern measure of a good software engineering platform,s! unix fails on almost every point.d   -- .< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:01:36 +00001) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> ) Subject: Re: Boring the pants off the COV-, Message-ID: <3ABB4930.D1CF0157@infopuls.com>   Dave Weatherall wrote: > C > On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:44:38, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>  > wrote: > 
 > > [SNIP] > > F > > > >The UNIXification of VMS already started. That's why we have to. > > > >express our concerns and fight against. > > > N > > > VMS cannot become "just another UN*X". VMS will not become "just anotherM > > > UN*X". And, I'd agree with you when you say VMS should not become "just8H > > > another UN*X", but you're being rabid about this. Look upon COE asQ > > > expecting UN*X to raise their standards (or at least find some) rather than@  > > > VMS lowering its standard. > >e? > > See above. And there even more problems to come. VMS should " > > evolve in its natural own way. > ? > The trouble is Chris, that invites extinction. Unix is, or is 3 > percieved to be, winning the evolutionary battle.aF > Perhaps the COE work should be seen as part of that evolution. Adapt > or die being the metaphor. > A > By the way , have you picked up the use of the word 'crap' from*G > British colleagues? We do have a terrible habit of saying things likeaF > 'and all that crap'. We use it instead of 'stuff' or 'things' or theF > more correct collective term for what we are referring to. I used toG > do it (still do, sadly) until I realised that it was being taken as aCG > pejorative (herabsetzend) instead of the collective (sammelwort) that-4 > I'd intended. I try to be more careful these days. >  > Cheers - Dave.   Thanks for your words.  ; If UNIXification of VMS is the only way to survive than I'dD9 prefer to give it up. What I don't like is the mixture of?@ technical and economical and marketing arguments. What I learned@ from this NG is that DECpaq is responsible for the non-technical forces against VMS.e  = I honestly don't know where I picked up the word "crap". As In= learned English from movies, technical books and listening toi< NGs because I learned Latin and Greek at school thanks to my> parents which should be 10 years tortured to death for that. I use it to denote shit.  3 Did you pick up the German words from a dictionary?n   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2001 08:23:05 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>L Subject: Re: Boring the pants off the COV (was RE: Dumbing Down VMS with...)6 Message-ID: <20010323082305.12168.qmail@nym.alias.net>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  ? On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:: >"Doc.Cypher" wrote: >>  % >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----a >> eB >> On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote: >> o	 >> <snip>  >> 1O >> >> I've been following this "VMS is the best thing since Alan Turing's time"u  >> >> argument for too long now. >> > >> >Misunderstanding.e >> eI >> Really? You do seem to be in favour of VMS in an almost fanatical way.n >  >Technical, *technical*!  K But Christoff, your passion for the subject is not doing your viewpoint any0 favours. This is important.   K You might think that there was no substance to my little flamewar with TonysK Szopa (a known Troll). That's because the point was already made and he (a) J refused to acknowledge it, and (b) Was most discourteous. So, he invited a3 flaming. You have to be careful not to do the same.r  J One of the key pieces of advice in RFC 1855 is to cool off before posting.H It doesn't say that you should avoid using inflammatory language, but itH would be a good idea around here to do so only when you don't care about0 the followups (or know they'll be on your side).  K The only way you'll get everyone on your side, is if you're bashing The Q's B marketing division for not getting their act together to sell VMS.     Doc.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----< Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBOrqD8sriC3SGiziTAQEC2AgAra/tiZ1+z48TqBCowxz16uXU+ZYg3/bd@ sD2MKLWn2L5iHVDspQLHo9Q6aSlQoDQ0rHLdGN5j1nA5qTsE6ipvO4lLQy0r7r5s@ zAKbQ04/+H7JMXgJqJ+vwxi7ZlXxpXBSgLckhh2cYSZ1YY2L8SAFUfSitrgNe2PV@ YT7J1MpR3HSQP+OR0v+0YP/jjsOeiz4h1ufiBwWC/aM5qdMC9cWPakUINvQOhN7z@ WZ7Zfs57tDEUkmuSHys7yvJR4NF1c9oyZIAWnIxb2BLQCFZCMAqQvuIYnzNdL0EW8 BwTM9our/IwQ1pCjFuoviBK1Fi9v/5MUVpJoOxUyOG29FzqMEJt7rA== =fDaYp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:14:16 +0000u) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>oL Subject: Re: Boring the pants off the COV (was RE: Dumbing Down VMS with...), Message-ID: <3ABB4C28.E5316DD1@infopuls.com>   "Doc.Cypher" wrote:  > $ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > A > On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:- > >"Doc.Cypher" wrote: > >>' > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----r > >>D > >> On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote: > >> > >> <snip>  > >>Q > >> >> I've been following this "VMS is the best thing since Alan Turing's time"e" > >> >> argument for too long now. > >> > > >> >Misunderstanding.l > >>K > >> Really? You do seem to be in favour of VMS in an almost fanatical way.u > >m > >Technical, *technical*! > M > But Christoff, your passion for the subject is not doing your viewpoint any  > favours. This is important.s > M > You might think that there was no substance to my little flamewar with Tony)M > Szopa (a known Troll). That's because the point was already made and he (a)uL > refused to acknowledge it, and (b) Was most discourteous. So, he invited a5 > flaming. You have to be careful not to do the same.- > L > One of the key pieces of advice in RFC 1855 is to cool off before posting.J > It doesn't say that you should avoid using inflammatory language, but itJ > would be a good idea around here to do so only when you don't care about2 > the followups (or know they'll be on your side). > M > The only way you'll get everyone on your side, is if you're bashing The Q'slD > marketing division for not getting their act together to sell VMS. >  > Doc. >  > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----e > Version: 2.6.2 > B > iQEVAwUBOrqD8sriC3SGiziTAQEC2AgAra/tiZ1+z48TqBCowxz16uXU+ZYg3/bdB > sD2MKLWn2L5iHVDspQLHo9Q6aSlQoDQ0rHLdGN5j1nA5qTsE6ipvO4lLQy0r7r5sB > zAKbQ04/+H7JMXgJqJ+vwxi7ZlXxpXBSgLckhh2cYSZ1YY2L8SAFUfSitrgNe2PVB > YT7J1MpR3HSQP+OR0v+0YP/jjsOeiz4h1ufiBwWC/aM5qdMC9cWPakUINvQOhN7zB > WZ7Zfs57tDEUkmuSHys7yvJR4NF1c9oyZIAWnIxb2BLQCFZCMAqQvuIYnzNdL0EW: > BwTM9our/IwQ1pCjFuoviBK1Fi9v/5MUVpJoOxUyOG29FzqMEJt7rA== > =fDaYl > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----D  > You are basically right but I don't try to get the majority on> my side as I don't think that VMS is an OS for the majority or& fine arts or every high quality stuff.  > My biggest mistake - if we could say so - is not to be able to> communicate my intents to some of the people that might agree.@ But most opponents won't change their minds because *they* don't@ fit in. This NG is devoted to VMS not to UNIX crap. Therefore it@ is very naturally to defend VMS from a technically point of view< against damage which is to be expected of the course the COE things might take.  ? To be clear: what the majority thinks or does is no measure for ? quality. It could be the extinction of some minorities. In that = I could reference to the butt head (Brian Wheeler) in this NGS> accusing me of beeing like the Nazis against the Jews. I would@ have used a more drastic word to denote this stupid ashole but I= don't know any suitable words which will pass the four letterI< words filters. To come back: I'm a member of a minority! Too? many people here support the UNIXification of VMS - I think outI? of despair. I'm used to be part of a minority. My mother tongue ? is a rarely used language. My favourite PLs are rarely used. My : favorite desktop OSs are close to extinction. My favourite= enterprise OSs are near to extinction. Do you think you coulds? impress me with "showing the instruments" (if you understand tob' which medieval phrase I'm referencing)?m  = To get the applaus of the majority is boring. To get the bestc5 people on my side is a challenge and would please me.t   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Mar 2001 15:04:57 GMT* From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler)L Subject: Re: Boring the pants off the COV (was RE: Dumbing Down VMS with...)3 Message-ID: <99fomp$ivv$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>   , In article <3ABB4C28.E5316DD1@infopuls.com>,, 	Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:  A > To be clear: what the majority thinks or does is no measure forsA > quality. It could be the extinction of some minorities. In that0? > I could reference to the butt head (Brian Wheeler) in this NGS@ > accusing me of beeing like the Nazis against the Jews. I wouldB > have used a more drastic word to denote this stupid ashole but I? > don't know any suitable words which will pass the four letter2 > words filters. c  E Actually, I was merely accusing you of being irrational, and ignoring F the facts when they didn't suit you.  The Nazi reference was to invoke. Godel's law and shut down this tedious thread.   Briane   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:58:25 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>hL Subject: Re: Boring the pants off the COV (was RE: Dumbing Down VMS with...), Message-ID: <3ABBE321.CC14CABA@infopuls.com>   Brian Wheeler wrote: > . > In article <3ABB4C28.E5316DD1@infopuls.com>,5 >         Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:a > C > > To be clear: what the majority thinks or does is no measure forhC > > quality. It could be the extinction of some minorities. In thatlA > > I could reference to the butt head (Brian Wheeler) in this NGaB > > accusing me of beeing like the Nazis against the Jews. I wouldD > > have used a more drastic word to denote this stupid ashole but IA > > don't know any suitable words which will pass the four letter  > > words filters. > G > Actually, I was merely accusing you of being irrational, and ignoringaH > the facts when they didn't suit you.  The Nazi reference was to invoke0 > Godel's law and shut down this tedious thread. >  > Brianl  ; Tedious is that I'm accused of irrationality like communistl= regimes did without anything rational to disprove the accusedt person.h4 If you read what came out so far of real facts it is< interesting. See Hoff's, Pauls Repacholi's, Mark Berryman's,= Christopher Smith's and some other's posts (sorry if I forgota7 one important contributor). Honestly based on the facts(* presented UNIX crap isn't in a good shape.   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Mar 2001 09:09:13 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)I. Subject: Re: Can this be done through lexicals0 Message-ID: <99f3rp$avg$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  i In article <985305137.829195@ananke.eclipse.net.uk>, "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@nospam.hotmail.com> writes:uG >Thanks to all for your comments. Yes training would seem to be the way,L >ahead. Unfortunately I cannot be there all the time with customers so theseH >things will crop up! [haven't we all experienced it at some point?] :-)  G Why not stick a red label in front of the tapes stating something like:@) "DDS-4 tapes only!" or something similar?/   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann<  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:51:58 +0100t, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>. Subject: Re: Can this be done through lexicals& Message-ID: <3AB9BD2E.D6860E60@gmx.ch>  1 1. [section for info-vax and the c.o.v newsgroup]   K Actually this is not an anwser (because I didn't find it) but fyi just someR' bizzare tape related data I discovered:    The 7.2-1 New features manualoA http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/721final/6614/6614pro_002.html I provides information on the new MT3_DENSITY item for the f$getdvi lexical 	 function:2   F$GETDVI lexical function 6 The following item codes have been added to F$GETDVI: 0 Item           Return Type  Information ReturnedR --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- G MT3_DENSITY    String       Current density of the device (tapes only) iH MT3_SUPPORTED  String       TRUE or FALSE to indicate whether the device@ supports densities defined in the MT3DEF (for Alpha tapes only)   ; Unfortunately(?) the result is not the one we could expect:u  ( GD2079> a=f$getdvi("mkc0","mt3_density") GD2079> sh symb an&   A = "(DENSITY=DEFAULT,NOCOMPACTION)"  H unless we are very familiar with the default values of all tape devices.  0 2. [section for the OpenVMS documentation Group]  N Now, another information for the OpenVMS HELP folks: The HELP lexical f$getdvi) command doesn't show these two new items.m  G A search on the OpenVMS COMPAQ site gave no results for MT3_DENSITY andeP MT3_SUPPORTED althouth it can be found in the release notes html file present onP the site. Maybe this information could be forwarded to the appropriate person in& charge of the OpenVMS site indexation.  = A search via www.altavista.com showed the release notes file:u  D   OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.2-1 New Features and Release Notes Manual P   Document revision date: 19 July 1999. OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.2-1 New Features- and Release Notes Manual. Previous. Contents.S   Index. 3.11 Mounting...sI   URL: http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/721final/6614/6614pro_002.html r  P A search on the 7.2-1 doc CD gave only the release notes file as a result. ThereN are no such items found neither in the OpenVMS 7.2-1 DCL dictionary nor in the@ System Services Reference Manual as stated in the release notes.  $ (also sent to openvmsdoc@compaq.com)   D.   Andy Proctor wrote:t >  > All,M > I have what may be an easy question, but I cannot find the answer. Any helpa > always welcome.  >  > 1.L > If I insert a DAT tape (DDSII/DDSIII) into a drive, is there a function orM > parameter i can read, either directly or via a DCL COM routine, where I canf > get the tape capacity?N > I know I can look on the tape, but I would like to try to generate a routine: > that does something like this when you put your tape in:$ > "You have just loaded a xxGB tape" >  > 2.N > Can the same be done for a DAT tape drive? This would be to determine if theJ > drive was compatible with a tape. EG "Drive capacity is 4GB maximum tape > capacity is 4GB" ../..n   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Mar 2001 05:57 CSTl' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) . Subject: Re: Can this be done through lexicals- Message-ID: <24MAR200105574172@gerg.tamu.edu>   0 Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes... }The 7.2-1 New features manualB }http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/721final/6614/6614pro_002.htmlJ }provides information on the new MT3_DENSITY item for the f$getdvi lexical
 }function: }  }F$GETDVI lexical function 07 }The following item codes have been added to F$GETDVI: .1 }Item           Return Type  Information ReturnedjS }--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dH }MT3_DENSITY    String       Current density of the device (tapes only) I }MT3_SUPPORTED  String       TRUE or FALSE to indicate whether the devicemA }supports densities defined in the MT3DEF (for Alpha tapes only) U } < }Unfortunately(?) the result is not the one we could expect: } ) }GD2079> a=f$getdvi("mkc0","mt3_density")e }GD2079> sh symb a' }  A = "(DENSITY=DEFAULT,NOCOMPACTION)"h } I }unless we are very familiar with the default values of all tape devices.n }  }D.e   Very interesting.,  * I just tried this on my DAT drive and got:& $ say f$getdvi("mka600","mt3_density") (DENSITY=DDS1,COMPACTION)o  ? At the time no tape was mounted. The last tape I mounted was in G fact a DDS1 tape with compaction explicitly enabled via /media=compact.l  = The drive itself is a Compaq SDT-10000 which is a DDS4 drive.a  3 OK - I just initialized a DDS4 tape and mounted it:." $ init mka600 backup/media=compact# $ mount mka600 backup/media=compact02 %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, BACKUP mounted on _GERGX$MKA600:& $ say f$getdvi("mka600","mt3_density") (DENSITY=DDS2,COMPACTION)1  H So it got it wrong. It is not a DDS2 tape as it says, it is a DDS4 tape.' But it is different than it was before.   0 It is also wrong in the show device/full output:  J Magtape GERGX$MKA600:, device type COMPAQ SDT-10000, is online, allocated, [...]iO     Density                     DDS2    Format                        Normal-11e  K which is not surprising - they would almost certainly be getting their infod from the same place.   Also interesting:t0 $ mount mka600 backup/media=compact/density=dds42 %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, BACKUP mounted on _GERGX$MKA600:& $ say f$getdvi("mka600","mt3_density") (DENSITY=DDS2,COMPACTION)   H So it gets it wrong even if you specifically tell it to do DDS4 density.F (With one possible caveat - I didn't reinitialize the tape before thisG with a /density=dds4. This shouldn't matter as the thing is supposed toa2 be using media recognition and it is a DDS4 tape.)  B At this point, it is perhaps a near-miss. It appears to be able to@ tell the difference between a DDS1 tape and one that is a higher@ capacity, but not perfectly. I havn't tried either a 60m pre-DDSA designation tape, or a DDS3 tape to see what it says about them -rA my guess would be that a DDS3 tape also gets reported as DDS2 butIB I don't have one handy to test the theory, and I have no idea whatD it would say about a 60m tape as there is no DDS0 designation (there? is nothing in the /DENSITY qualifier for INIT or MOUNT that cane" specify this kind of tape either).   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Mar 2001 12:58:19 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.412538.killspam.015a (Wayne Sewell) . Subject: Re: Can this be done through lexicals. Message-ID: <FZFzeFREPdmJ@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  U In article <3AB9BD2E.D6860E60@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes: 3 > 1. [section for info-vax and the c.o.v newsgroup]m > M > Actually this is not an anwser (because I didn't find it) but fyi just somet) > bizzare tape related data I discovered:b >  > The 7.2-1 New features manual.C > http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/721final/6614/6614pro_002.html K > provides information on the new MT3_DENSITY item for the f$getdvi lexical- > function:o >  > F$GETDVI lexical function 8 > The following item codes have been added to F$GETDVI: 2 > Item           Return Type  Information ReturnedT > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I > MT3_DENSITY    String       Current density of the device (tapes only) :J > MT3_SUPPORTED  String       TRUE or FALSE to indicate whether the deviceB > supports densities defined in the MT3DEF (for Alpha tapes only)  > = > Unfortunately(?) the result is not the one we could expect:T > * > GD2079> a=f$getdvi("mkc0","mt3_density") > GD2079> sh symb at( >   A = "(DENSITY=DEFAULT,NOCOMPACTION)" > J > unless we are very familiar with the default values of all tape devices. >   M Well, the problem is getdvi basically returns the value stored in the UCB andrJ there actually is a density value called MT3$K_DEFAULT.  When you set thisJ value, it means "use whatever the default for this particular device is." L There's also MT3$K_NO_COMP and MT3$K_COMP, which would mean the uncompressedM and compressed default density respectively.  I would assume MT3$K_NO_COMP isr equivalent to MT3$K_DEFAULT.    F f$getdvi is basically a dcl jacket for sys$getdvi and the binary valueN corresponding to MT3$K_DEFAULT (0) is what the system service would return forK the item code DVI$_MT3_DENSITY.  In order to do what you want, the f$getdvinJ lexical would also have to look at the device type and consult an internalO table of device default densities, which would of course have to be updated forMK new tape device types.  Not saying it couldn't be done, just explaining whyD* they didn't do it in the first cut of MT3.    N I got more acquainted with MT3 than I planned, because tapesys and most of the. other sp32 products have to deal with it.  :-)     WayneT   -- HO ===============================================================================NM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxy: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O ===============================================================================wO Dean Wormer to Flounder: "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:23:50 GMTT' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>f( Subject: Re: CHAT Server/Client on VMS ?- Message-ID: <3AC0F67F.6241A6BB@theblakes.com>r   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:  J > And now that MOZILLA 0.81 is out (but not on VMS), why is there still noH > auto-proxy support built-in ? Is there a chance of finally getting anyO > useful MOZILLA browser (while MS starts IE6 now) ? Ok, it's not your fault...>  U M0.81 for OpenVMS was submitted to the OpenVMS and Mozilla web sites this morning. ItT should be there within 24hrs.u  - I believe auto-proxy support will be in M0.9.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:25:26 GMT ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>i( Subject: Re: CHAT Server/Client on VMS ?- Message-ID: <3AC0F6E0.5BBA0D91@theblakes.com>a   Alan Greig wrote:u  H > Actually having just read the 0.81 release notes I definitely wouldn't > recommend Mozilla chat >  > ChatZilla 	 > General H > ChatZilla is not finished, but is usable if you're willing to accept aD > subset of the commands offered in more mature IRC clients. A largeG > percentage of ChatZilla users experience crashes, odd behavior, rash,eD > shortness of breath, and an urge to fix bugs. If you would like toH > contribute, please tell us in the netscape.public.mozilla.rt-messaging6 > newsgroup, or send an e-mail to rginda@netscape.com.  R I think the release notes have said that for a while. ChatZilla is actually pretty! stable these days. Give it a try!l   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:05:30 GMTn) From: "J.G. Peters" <jpeters@sctcorp.com> 2 Subject: Cluster Breakup - VAX/Alpha Hardware Help0 Message-ID: <01c0b893$d8baadb0$32341895@jpeters>  D We are in the process of breaking up an Alpha 2100/VAX 4300 cluster.E The VAX is being "decomissioned." The Alpha will remain in production J for at least another year, at which time we will replace it with a new one --J AlphaServer, that is... :-)  All data from the disks housed within the VAX hasuJ been migrated to devices within the Alpha. There is a TLZ06 tape drive andG an LP27 printer that are physically connected to the VAX and need to beiF moved to the Alpha. I'm planning on chaining the TLZ06 to/from a TKZ9EF 8mm tape drive that is already connected to the Alpha. Beyond ensuringJ a unique scsi id, this would not appear to be terribly complicated. ShouldF the Alpha "see" the new tape drive on power up or are there additionalG configuration tasks required? As for the LP27 - how can we get that guy-G functioning on the Alpha? I believe there are interface issues here...?M  E When these two devices are moved and operational, I'm sure we'll haveMH additional questions concerning the actual, uh, severing of the cluster.   Thanks,e Joee   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2001 19:48:37 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>' Subject: Re: COE implementation detailst- Message-ID: <87vgp0puy2.fsf@prep.synonet.com>U  I Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:o  1 > koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  >  > [about hard links and quota]  % > > Ouch.  Just what I was afraid of.n  < > At least it is a clean definition. After the discussion on3 > comp.arch, I cannot see a reasonable alternative.a  3 At the risk of yet another thread that won't die...t  E The problem is there are several resonable alternatives. Some simple,K= some quite high on overhead. But no one can agree on a single0" resonable to tackle their problem.   -- u< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.D@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:31:43 +0200 - From: "Olek Koodziejczyk" <olekk@kki.net.pl>06 Subject: Re: Communication to local PC ports from VMS.& Message-ID: <99qtes$ifc$1@news.tpi.pl>   >   Specific questions:c >sF >     o You need to specify if the COM port is connected to an OpenVMS' >       Alpha system or to a PC system.   )     COM port is connected to a PC system.d  F >     o You also need to specify if there is a PC in the middle of theE >       proposed configuration -- a PC performing some sort of serial ' >       communications route-through...S  L         I would like use only a PC (hardware) COM port. PC is in the between of the5 configuration and performing only terminal emulation.   F >     o You need to specify if the device can be connected directly toA >       the OpenVMS system, or if it must be connected to the PC.t  G The device does not have to be connected to the PC, it can be connectedo directly to thev VMS system.h  G >     o You further need to specify exactly which port on exactly whichtD >       VAX or Alpha system is involved here, and specifically which: >       serial line(s) are involved on the OpenVMS system.  * It is Open VMS is running on Alpha system.  G >     o And please... Some background on the problem you seek to solve?r  I In the head quarter of the company there is VMS server and few kilometres & from there there is a shop(s) (in shopK is a PC with MS Windows and terminal program). The Assistent is using a VMSaI aplication and he would like to print from this aplication (but it is notFA standard printer,it is only the invoicing  printer), this printerm interpretet J data, for example : he send value and total invoice line to the printer ifI the sume of all value line is not equal with total value line the printerf+ return an error code. The connection to thel' VMS server is throught TCP/IP protocol.    Regards, Olek Koodziejczyk   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2001 13:13:15 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e Subject: compaction "nabled"?o3 Message-ID: <vQ3Jdz7reDtj@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  G Has this come up before (I thought I might have seen it, but Google andm  Wizard searches didn't find it)?   VMS 7.2-1, DEC 3000 600S  H Magtape MUMBLE$MKB100:, device type TLZ06, is online, allocated, mountedK     foreign, record-oriented device, file-oriented device, error logging is G     enabled, device is busy, controller supports compaction (compaction &     nabled), device supports fastskip.
     ^^^^^^   Somebody run short a byte?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporatione= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupiE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingr   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2001 04:24:19 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>! Subject: Re: compaction "nabled"?i- Message-ID: <87ofusnsi4.fsf@prep.synonet.com>a  / koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:n  E > Has this come up before (I thought I might have seen it, but Googlei& > and Wizard searches didn't find it)?   > VMS 7.2-1, DEC 3000 600S > J > Magtape MUMBLE$MKB100:, device type TLZ06, is online, allocated, mountedM >     foreign, record-oriented device, file-oriented device, error logging iseI >     enabled, device is busy, controller supports compaction (compactione( >     nabled), device supports fastskip. >     ^^^^^^ >  > Somebody run short a byte?  ; Good to see you are doing your thing for the E-con-ome Bob.g  , Or it is all part of the e bubble popping...   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:55:15 -0500(- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>tH Subject: Converting NET$PROXY to NETPROXY (backwards from CONVERT_PROXY)4 Message-ID: <wkNw6.172031$Z2.2108876@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  @ We have a situation where we have some entries in NET$PROXY (new? format) that are not in NETPROXY (old format). I seem to recalloF someone posting a routine here before that would compare the two filesA to make sure they are in sync. Does anyone have such a procedure?m  E (BTW: LIST/PROXY * and LIST/PROXY/OLD * returns the list in different68 orders so doing a DIFF between the output is difficult.)   Thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:33:50 GMTp1 From: pat jankowiak <vaxhackery@worldnet.att.net>g0 Subject: cool dectalk book on ebay -was about $50 Message-ID: <3ABC93C5.CEEEC810@worldnet.att.net>  ' cool dectalk book on ebay -was about $5z item 1223202069i  u http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1223202069&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=985570115&indexURL=0&rd=1-  # I'm not selling it, I just saw it..5   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:41:16 +0100r- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>1$ Subject: Re: Dave Cutler and his art) Message-ID: <3AC0C2AC.AADC0CA0@bbc.co.uk>l  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  c > In article <n7ACLPJvbSy$@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:lJ > >       Also, in CU14 (above) I think the whole flow of money may be outK > >       of whack.  That money should be heading into the screen (maybe it I > >       is, maybe it isn't).  If it is flowing into the screen, the guy 1 > >       is cranking the handle the wrong way...f >uI > That's a PeeCee for you.  It sucks in your money and spews out garbage.e >o  L the HP USB scanner I have been trying to install at home isn't even chuckingM out garbage yet, despite my best efforts to give it its own IRQ and countlessL windoze reboots :-(Q  --H6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukZ  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofo MedAS or the BBC.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:58:18 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)n$ Subject: Re: Dave Cutler and his art0 Message-ID: <009F9A67.95B9742A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Y In article <3AC0C2AC.AADC0CA0@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:t >y >t' >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:e > d >> In article <n7ACLPJvbSy$@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:K >> >       Also, in CU14 (above) I think the whole flow of money may be outlL >> >       of whack.  That money should be heading into the screen (maybe itJ >> >       is, maybe it isn't).  If it is flowing into the screen, the guy2 >> >       is cranking the handle the wrong way... >>J >> That's a PeeCee for you.  It sucks in your money and spews out garbage. >> >NM >the HP USB scanner I have been trying to install at home isn't even chucking N >out garbage yet, despite my best efforts to give it its own IRQ and countless >windoze reboots :-(  I I just addressed my HP 4c SCSI ID and connected it to my AlphaStation. ;P    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt            aO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:24:21 GMT + From: rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan) $ Subject: Re: Dave Cutler and his art4 Message-ID: <pq8w6.3957$JN5.104943@news.goodnet.com>  K > I just addressed my HP 4c SCSI ID and connected it to my AlphaStation. ;Pg  F Out of curiosity, what software do you use on the Alphastation?  I hadF only ever heard of DECimage and that was VAX only, wasn't it?  Did you roll your own?   Rich Jordan  rjordan@mcs.net:   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:03:31 GMTs= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)<$ Subject: Re: Dave Cutler and his art0 Message-ID: <009F9A79.1451F25B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <pq8w6.3957$JN5.104943@news.goodnet.com>, rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan) writes:L >> I just addressed my HP 4c SCSI ID and connected it to my AlphaStation. ;P >iG >Out of curiosity, what software do you use on the Alphastation?  I haduG >only ever heard of DECimage and that was VAX only, wasn't it?  Did you  >roll your own?i >l >Rich Jordan >rjordan@mcs.net >t  G A bit of freeware called HPSCAN.  I believe Eberhard has it on his siter
 somewhere.  I It has a very unixy -switch command line but it's not awfully bad to use.nJ I have a foreign command defimed to activate it.  Here's its command opts:  3 -dpi    sets x & y scan resolution in dots per inch 1 -xdpi   sets x scan resolution only (default 100) 1 -ydpi   sets y scan resolution only (default 100)D7 -xres   sets desired number of x-pixels on output imagei7 -yres   sets desired number of y-pixels on output imageA/ -in     specify scan region in inches (default)f* -cm     specify scan region in centimeters* -mm     specify scan region in millimeters9 -x      specify upper left x of scan region (default 0.0)t9 -y      specify upper left y of scan region (default 0.0)t4 -width  specify width of scan region (default 8.5in)6 -height specify height of scan region (default 11.0in)@ -bright specify brightness adjustment (-1.0 to 1.0, default 0.0)> -cont   specify contrast adjustment (-1.0 to 1.0, default 0.0): -dev    scsi generic device of scanner (default autoprobe)$ -o,-out output file (default stdout)' -quiet  turn off informational messages ) -load   read parameter settings from fileo/ -save   save current parameter settings to file = -format pixel format: thresholded, dithered, greyscale, coloro    H Nearly all of the pix on my web site were produced with HPSCAN and HP 4c on an AlphaStation 200.m  u --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMa            pO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:59:33 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>W Subject: DECevent 3.3 abort with "_DIAGNOSE-FAT:  Automatic analysis is still running."u+ Message-ID: <VA.00000324.62fe0d08@sture.ch>    Hi,-    Has anyone seen similar to this?   This on Alpha V7.2-1H1.3  H Since installing DECEVENT 3.3, on one cluster it runs fine. On another,  DIAGNOSE fails with:  
 DECevent V3.3mE _DIAGNOSE-FAT:  Automatic analysis is still running. Please shutdown a and reissue command. %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort  D No DECevent process is running on the system. Even after performing = @SYS$STARTUP:DECEVENT$SHUTDOWN, the same message is produced.n  C And, BTW, according to the release notes DIAG apparently now needs d SYSLCK.r  8 The DECEVENT startup log also contains the same message:   $ verify = 0 $ completion_code = 1- $ cfmg :== DIAGNOSE  $ set default DIA$:[MANAGER]% $ DEFINE/JOB SYS$LOGIN DIA$:[MANAGER] ' $ DEFINE/JOB SYS$SCRATCH DIA$:[MANAGER] D $ SET PROCESS/PRIVLEDGE=(NOALL,DIAGNOSE,TMPMBX,NETMBX,SYSLCK,SYSPRV) $ SHOW PROCESS/QUOTA  G 23-MAR-2001 15:53:36.08   User: SYSTEM           Process ID:   2020045Ah>                           Node: MYNODE           Process name: "DECevent_MYNODE"-   Process Quotas:   Account name: SYSTEM5F  CPU limit:                      Infinite  Direct I/O limit:       100F  Buffered I/O byte count quota:     99424  Buffered I/O limit:     100F  Timer queue entry quota:              19  Open file quota:         98F  Paging file quota:                125280  Subprocess quota:        12F  Default page fault cluster:           64  AST quota:              324F  Enqueue quota:                      2000  Shared file limit:        0F  Max detached processes:                0  Max active jobs:          0 $ cfmg start MYNODEc  
 DECevent V3.3 E _DIAGNOSE-FAT:  Automatic analysis is still running. Please shutdown r and reissue command. %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort8   SYSTEM       job terminated at 23-MAR-2001 15:53:36.21     Accounting information:nD   Buffered I/O count:                108      Peak working set size: 6400@   Direct I/O count:                   22      Peak virtual size: 176448>   Page faults:                       476      Mounted volumes: 0rC   Charged CPU time:        0 00:00:00.14      Elapsed time:       0m 00:00:00.33   H I think my next step is to investigate quotas, but I wondered if anyone  else has seen this.e ___u
 Paul Sture Switzerlandi   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:31:58 GMTi From: dittman@dittman.netH, Subject: DECnet-Plus Name Resolution Problem> Message-ID: <2uQw6.2033$B4.185472@e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com>  7 I have a two-node cluster running OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1.E2 I am using DECnet-Plus.  I have ECO2 installed for1 DECnet-Plus.  The two nodes are ALPHA1 (1.30) andc0 ALPHA2 (1.31).  On node ALPHA2 I can set host to1 ALPHA1 and ALPHA2.  On node ALPHA1 I can set hosta( to ALPHA1 but $ SET HOST ALPHA2 returns:  = %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachablee  3 The failure occurs with $ SET HOST LOCAL:.ALPHA2 as : well.  If I try $ SET HOST 1055 from ALPHA1 the connection8 works.  I've used DECNET_REGISTER to verify ALPHA1 knows ALPHA2:t  " >DECNET_REGISTER> show node alpha2 > # >Directory Service: Local name file  > ! >Node name:         LOCAL:.ALPHA2n >Phase IV synonym:  ALPHA29 >Node address:      49::00-01:AA-00-04-00-1F-04:21 (1.31)e9 >Node address:      49::00-01:AA-00-04-00-1F-04:20 (1.31)e >   >Number of nodes reported on:  1   Can anyone help?   Thanks.u -- d Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:03:08 -0500a2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)0 Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus Name Resolution ProblemL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2903012303080001@user-2iveav7.dialup.mindspring.com>  > In article <2uQw6.2033$B4.185472@e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com>, dittman@dittman.net wrote:  9 > I have a two-node cluster running OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1.c4 > I am using DECnet-Plus.  I have ECO2 installed for3 > DECnet-Plus.  The two nodes are ALPHA1 (1.30) andh2 > ALPHA2 (1.31).  On node ALPHA2 I can set host to3 > ALPHA1 and ALPHA2.  On node ALPHA1 I can set host * > to ALPHA1 but $ SET HOST ALPHA2 returns: > ? > %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachablee > 5 > The failure occurs with $ SET HOST LOCAL:.ALPHA2 ase< > well.  If I try $ SET HOST 1055 from ALPHA1 the connection: > works.  I've used DECNET_REGISTER to verify ALPHA1 knows	 > ALPHA2:g > $ > >DECNET_REGISTER> show node alpha2 > > % > >Directory Service: Local name file  > > # > >Node name:         LOCAL:.ALPHA2h > >Phase IV synonym:  ALPHA2; > >Node address:      49::00-01:AA-00-04-00-1F-04:21 (1.31)o; > >Node address:      49::00-01:AA-00-04-00-1F-04:20 (1.31)r > > " > >Number of nodes reported on:  1    ; How about the similar test on alpha2.  Does it know alpha1?u  K Alpha2 appears to have 2 network adapters.  Do they both connect to alpha1?l  $ How about SET HOST 0 (on each node)?  D There is a naming cache that might need to be flushed.  I sure don'tI remember how off the top of my head.  Maybe look for "cache" in the indexo of the manual...   -- > Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.come   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:02:58 GMTh From: dittman@dittman.neti0 Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus Name Resolution Problem> Message-ID: <CcWw6.1509$K4.312162@e420r-sjo2.usenetserver.com>   dittman@dittman.net wrote:9 : I have a two-node cluster running OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1.d4 : I am using DECnet-Plus.  I have ECO2 installed for3 : DECnet-Plus.  The two nodes are ALPHA1 (1.30) andt2 : ALPHA2 (1.31).  On node ALPHA2 I can set host to3 : ALPHA1 and ALPHA2.  On node ALPHA1 I can set host * : to ALPHA1 but $ SET HOST ALPHA2 returns:  ? : %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable   5 : The failure occurs with $ SET HOST LOCAL:.ALPHA2 as0< : well.  If I try $ SET HOST 1055 from ALPHA1 the connection: : works.  I've used DECNET_REGISTER to verify ALPHA1 knows	 : ALPHA2:   # :>DECNET_REGISTER> show node alpha2- :> -$ :>Directory Service: Local name file :>  " :>Node name:         LOCAL:.ALPHA2 :>Phase IV synonym:  ALPHA2R: :>Node address:      49::00-01:AA-00-04-00-1F-04:21 (1.31): :>Node address:      49::00-01:AA-00-04-00-1F-04:20 (1.31) :>  ! :>Number of nodes reported on:  1    : Can anyone help?  2 After more digging I decided that the naming cache3 must be incorrect.  I solved my problem by flushing 
 the cache:  6 $ MCR NCL FLUSH SESSION CONTROL NAMING CACHE ENTRY "*"  2 After that I forced a new checkpoint of the naming cache with:   F $ MCR NCL SET SESSION CONTROL NAMING CACHE CHECKPOINT INTERVAL 8:00:00  = so the cache on disk will be correct (within the next fifteenn	 minutes).g --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:49:50 -0500n& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>7 Subject: Re: Disks capacity in GBytes, not in blocks... 7 Message-ID: <dQ7w6.3356$B6.489471@wagner.videotron.net>m  5 C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties.o  + ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C0B6DD.F0D08940e Content-Type: text/plain;c 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printables   $ loop:i  $ disk =3D f$device(("*","DISK") $ if disk.eqs."" then exit/ $ if .not. f$getdvi(disk, "MNT") then goto loope1 $ MBFREE =3D f$getd(disk,"FREEBLOCKS") / 2 / 1024M0 $ MBTOTAL =3D f$getd(disk,"MAXBLOCK") / 2 / 1024 $ MBUSED =3D MBTOTAL - MBUSEDh $ goto loopn    % (not tested - just written it there!)  --=20    Syltrema  http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem  I   "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br> a =E9crit dans le message =t. news: 001801c0b705$224c0220$d2010001@desenv...
   Hi all !  E   I=B4m needing a command procedure to show me Free, Used and total =i capacity  (   in disks of my Alphaserver. Like this:  H                            TOTAL              USED                  FREE   =20 J                               GB                    GB                   =   GB  H    DKA100:             18.2                    4.2                     = 14.0   =20 J     DKA200:              9.4                    5.4                      =  4.0 =20  I     DKA300:            18.2                    6.2                      =t 12.0  J                           ------------              ------------         =       ------------  J                               45.8                  15.8                 =     30.0    A          I=B4d like get informations about only mounted disks.=20o  4          How can I do this using lexical functions ?  =          If you have this procedure ready, please send me,=20-            it will help me much !-      =20!           Thank you in advance...S          + ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C0B6DD.F0D08940  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printabley  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>3 <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =: http-equiv=3DContent-Type>9 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.3103.1000" name=3DGENERATOR>p <STYLE></STYLE>K </HEAD>r <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>5 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ loop:</FONT></DIV> - <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ disk =3D = " f$device(("*","DISK")</FONT></DIV>H <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ if disk.eqs."" then exit</FONT></DIV>H <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ if .not. f$getdvi(disk, "MNT") then = goto=20e loop</FONT></DIV>c9 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$&nbsp;MBFREE&nbsp;=3D =d  f$getd(disk,"FREEBLOCKS") / 2=20 / 1024</FONT></DIV>rJ <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ MBTOTAL =3D f$getd(disk,"MAXBLOCK") / = 2 /=20 1024</FONT></DIV>f9 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ MBUSED =3D MBTOTAL - =  MBUSED</FONT></DIV>CB <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$&nbsp;goto loop</FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> 0 <DIV>(not tested - just written it there!)</DIV>  <DIV>-- <BR><BR>Syltrem<BR><A=20J href=3D"http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem">http://pages.infinit.net/syltre= m</A><BR></DIV>m <BLOCKQUOTE=20J style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: =, 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">%   <DIV>"Valdemir J. Santos" &lt;<A=20hG   href=3D"mailto:valdemir-@uol.com.br">valdemir-@uol.com.br</A>&gt; a =t =E9crit dans=20OA   le message news: 001801c0b705$224c0220$d2010001@desenv...</DIV>b8   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi all !</FONT></DIV>   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>oI   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I=B4m needing a command procedure to =n show me Free,=20&   Used and total capacity</FONT></DIV>   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>tF   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in disks of my Alphaserver. Like=20   this:</FONT></DIV>   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>k   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20   =oJ size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
 ;&nbsp;=20   =oJ TOTAL&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=J bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;USED&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=4 ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20   FREE</FONT></DIV> 6   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20   =CJ size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20   =oJ GB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=. ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20   =mJ GB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=4 ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20   GB</FONT></DIV>s   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>t   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20   =gJ size=3D2>&nbsp;DKA100:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20   =eJ 18.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=0 sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20   =,J 4.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;14.0</FONT></DIV>=  6   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>,   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;=20   = J DKA200:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= &nbsp;&nbsp;=20X   =nJ 9.4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=/ p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20.   =>J 5.4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=A p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20c   4.0&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>c   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>o,   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;=20   =iJ DKA300:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=J &nbsp;18.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=6 sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20   =iJ 6.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=; p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20e   12.0</FONT></DIV>t   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>'   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20   = J size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= ;=20   = J ------------&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=J nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;------------&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=1 bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20-   ------------</FONT></DIV>a   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20   = J size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20   = J 45.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=$ sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20   =wJ 15.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=6 sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20   30.0</FONT></DIV>t   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>B   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>VI   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =2 I=B4d like get=20>6   informations about only mounted disks. </FONT></DIV>   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> I   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =d How can I do=20a-   this using lexical functions ?</FONT></DIV>d   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>aI   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =t If you have=205   this procedure ready, please send me, </FONT></DIV>t   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> I   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =s it will help=20i   me much !</FONT></DIV>   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>e7   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>e   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial = < size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thank=20    you in advance...</FONT></DIV>   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>a   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>f   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>e.   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>  - ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C0B6DD.F0D08940--    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:51:18 -0500c& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>7 Subject: Re: Disks capacity in GBytes, not in blocks...x7 Message-ID: <BR7w6.3359$B6.490363@wagner.videotron.net>t  5 C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties.f  + ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C0B6DE.25114E60e Content-Type: text/plain;t 	charset="iso-8859-1"f+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   + Sorry - you said GB so divide by 1024 again   G Remember you loose all decimals here. DCL only has integers. Use your =r maths to keep the decimals.f   --=20u   Syltrem   http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem  D   "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca> a =E9crit dans le message news: =, dQ7w6.3356$B6.489471@wagner.videotron.net...	   $ loop:d"   $ disk =3D f$device(("*","DISK")   $ if disk.eqs."" then exit1   $ if .not. f$getdvi(disk, "MNT") then goto loopS3   $ MBFREE =3D f$getd(disk,"FREEBLOCKS") / 2 / 1024o2   $ MBTOTAL =3D f$getd(disk,"MAXBLOCK") / 2 / 1024   $ MBUSED =3D MBTOTAL - MBUSEDw
   $ goto loopc    '   (not tested - just written it there!)    --=20-  	   Syltrem-"   http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem  C     "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br> a =E9crit dans le =b6 message news: 001801c0b705$224c0220$d2010001@desenv...     Hi all !  G     I=B4m needing a command procedure to show me Free, Used and total =  capacity  *     in disks of my Alphaserver. Like this:  G                              TOTAL              USED                  =t FREE     =20VJ                                 GB                    GB                 =     GB  J      DKA100:             18.2                    4.2                     = 14.0     =20aJ       DKA200:              9.4                    5.4                    =
    4.0 =20  J       DKA300:            18.2                    6.2                     =  12.0E  J                             ------------              ------------       =         ------------  J                                 45.8                  15.8               =
       30.0    C            I=B4d like get informations about only mounted disks.=20,  6            How can I do this using lexical functions ?  ?            If you have this procedure ready, please send me,=20h  !            it will help me much !O        =20#             Thank you in advance...           + ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C0B6DE.25114E60  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable9  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>3 <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =  http-equiv=3DContent-Type>9 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.3103.1000" name=3DGENERATOR>A <STYLE></STYLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>I <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry - you said GB so divide by 1024=20  again</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>0H <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Remember you loose all decimals here. = DCL only has=20n; integers. Use your maths to keep the decimals.</FONT></DIV>a$ <DIV><BR>-- <BR><BR>Syltrem<BR><A=20J href=3D"http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem">http://pages.infinit.net/syltre= m</A><BR></DIV>1 <BLOCKQUOTE=20J style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: =, 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">   <DIV>"Syltrem" &lt;<A=20G   href=3D"mailto:syltrem@videotron.ca">syltrem@videotron.ca</A>&gt; a =  =E9crit dans=200   le message news: <A=20   = J href=3D"mailto:dQ7w6.3356$B6.489471@wagner.videotron.net">dQ7w6.3356$B6.4=' 89471@wagner.videotron.net</A>...</DIV>-7   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ loop:</FONT></DIV>i/   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ disk =3D =s" f$device(("*","DISK")</FONT></DIV>:   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ if disk.eqs."" then = exit</FONT></DIV>eJ   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ if .not. f$getdvi(disk, "MNT") then = goto=20    loop</FONT></DIV> ;   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$&nbsp;MBFREE&nbsp;=3D =I f$getd(disk,"FREEBLOCKS") /=20   2 / 1024</FONT></DIV>nJ   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ MBTOTAL =3D f$getd(disk,"MAXBLOCK") = / 2 /=20   1024</FONT></DIV> ;   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ MBUSED =3D MBTOTAL - =2 MBUSED</FONT></DIV> D   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$&nbsp;goto loop</FONT><BR></DIV>   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>H2   <DIV>(not tested - just written it there!)</DIV>"   <DIV>-- <BR><BR>Syltrem<BR><A=20   =fJ href=3D"http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem">http://pages.infinit.net/syltre= m</A><BR></DIV>    <BLOCKQUOTE=20>   style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =: MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">'     <DIV>"Valdemir J. Santos" &lt;<A=20tI     href=3D"mailto:valdemir-@uol.com.br">valdemir-@uol.com.br</A>&gt; a =2 =E9crit dans=200C     le message news: 001801c0b705$224c0220$d2010001@desenv...</DIV>::     <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi all !</FONT></DIV>     <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>uH     <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I=B4m needing a command procedure =
 to show me=20e.     Free, Used and total capacity</FONT></DIV>     <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>uH     <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in disks of my Alphaserver. Like=20     this:</FONT></DIV>     <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>H     <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20     =dJ size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
 ;&nbsp;=20     =oJ TOTAL&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=J bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;USED&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=4 ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20     FREE</FONT></DIV>E8     <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>     <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20     = J size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20     =eJ GB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=. ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20     =aJ GB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=4 ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20     GB</FONT></DIV>t     <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>t     <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20     =iJ size=3D2>&nbsp;DKA100:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20     =-J 18.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=0 sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20     =gJ 4.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;14.0</FONT></DIV>=  8     <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>.     <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;=20     =.J DKA200:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= &nbsp;&nbsp;=20      =PJ 9.4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=/ p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20s     = J 5.4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=A p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20k     4.0&nbsp; 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I=B4d like=20"<     get informations about only mounted disks. </FONT></DIV>     <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>1     <DIV><FONT face=3DArial = : size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; How can I=202     do this using lexical functions ?</FONT></DIV>     <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial = 7 size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you=20 <     have this procedure ready, please send me, </FONT></DIV>     <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial = 8 size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; it will=20     help me much !</FONT></DIV>      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>09     <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial = 6 size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20(     Thank you in advance...</FONT></DIV>     <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> =     <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>l  - ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C0B6DE.25114E60--s   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:18:29 -0500e, From: "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>* Subject: DS20 + RA7000 Packages This month/ Message-ID: <tbqonvdnbs8dc7@news.supernews.com>0  : http://www.islandco.com/specials/packaged_systems/menu.htm   -o Island Computers US Corporationr 2700 Gregory Street  Savannah GA 31404/ Tel: 912 447 6622i Fax:912 201 0096 sales@islandco.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:47:17 GMTM& From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> Subject: dsn: Message-ID: <pDOu6.122$086.126495@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>  @ I tried to download an ECO over DSN, but I got an error message:  , %DSN-E-CSCNOREC, requested record not found,  K I wasn't sure exactly which record wasn't found, so I sent the dsn customeriF assistance desk (dsn%cad) a mail message asking for help.  The message$ bounced due to :     you guessed it?  + %DSN-E-CSCNOREC, requested record not founds  G I think I can remember my access number, but I can't remember the phoner) number to call.  Can anyone help me here?L  H By the way, I am trying to find all ECOs that I need prior to installingE Fibre Channel on my VMS 7.2-1 GS140.  I have most of the ECOs alreadyVK applied, but I never installed any fibre channel ECOs.  I sent in a requestDJ to DSN a few weeks ago asking for advice on which ECOs to apply in advanceH of adding fibre channel, but the answer said none specifically for fibreK channel, but he recommended   vms72_hardware_v0100  (which I think has been0L put on hold, but I dont think we need anyway.  Can anyone help me with these
 two probs?   thanks,"    JohnJ   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2001 08:36:40 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)eB Subject: Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <6Wpxm+hTh7Ku@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3ABA8EA7.9CE38FD3@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:  A > I know the problem of beeing convinced as having the true pointVB > of view. But I have several years of UNIX/Linux experience which4 > makes me think that I know what I'm talking about.   So do I.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporations= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying&   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2001 08:40:52 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)&B Subject: Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <5Udp1Pxo5L58@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  X In article <3ABA90D4.28B91733@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: > @ > There are two features I would like to see on VMS (but only ifA > no one disagrees and only if it can fit into VMS style): beyondnA > the ODS-5 way of treating case of filenames ("a" is "A" but the&< > initial chosen case will retained) I would like to see theA > ability to have full case sensitivity. The second thing I would&B > like to see is the ability to organise the whole filesystem as a2 > tree (with one root). Is this against VMS style?  G VMS style is very much "never break upward compatability" (not perfect,p but very much the style).;  E Case sensitive file names would very much break upward compatability.pF and I for one don't want to see it.  But it is required by COE and theD tree style mounting might make the real purpose of COE actually work better.n  E IMHO it's OK as long as both are off by default.  Knowing VMS and thea9 people who write it I'm not expecting any problems there.i  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation&= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupnE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingp   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2001 20:50:12 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>Y Subject: Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS      EducationalProgra2- Message-ID: <87itl0ps3f.fsf@prep.synonet.com>p  + Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:n  D > Will this also remove all directories? I remember sometimes havingE > the directories left. I normally use backup to move files to retainp > the modification date.  I No. But you do not always want to nuke the directories and go through thesE overhead of re-creating and extending them. The delete get rid of the . directories VERY fast once the files are gone.   -- &< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:35:21 -0500;5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>TY Subject: Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS     EducationalProgramb1 Message-ID: <slPu6.115$fB6.4077@news.cpqcorp.net>   / Yes.  Hard Links, Soft Links, and Mount Points.n        Bob Koehler wrote in message ...@ >In article <4Py5Os95U9V=AErH3PPNb55kFc8D@4ax.com>, David Beatty, <David.Beatty@sasSPAMITUPTHEZZZ.com> writes: >>@ >> I rarely use aliases that much, so I don't know the answer to9 >> the following question: can alias pount across mountedp9 >> devices?  Unix will allow this -- probably because the&> >> implementation of the Unix file systems pretty much require >> that ability. >> >&F >Aliases and hard links won't, but it looks like soft links are comingA >with COE and that's what UNIX uses to point across mount points.D >aI >I wonder if we're getting mount points with COE?  Or just simulating alls, >device names in / like the porting library? >&G >----------------------------------------------------------------------&@ >Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation> >NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupF >                                | please remove ".aspm" when replying   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Mar 2001 14:42:57 GMT* From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler)Y Subject: Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS Educati   onalProgram)o3 Message-ID: <99fndh$ir0$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>   + In article <3ABA9A86.E75BFE9@infopuls.com>,V, 	Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: > Brian Wheeler wrote: >> 6/ >> In article <3AB925E1.1C7BA213@infopuls.com>, 6 >>         Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: >> > Brian Wheeler wrote:u >> >>R >  > [SNIP] >  >> >0 >> >> > WINE requires some sort of Windows also. >> >>@N >> >> No, it does not.  It is a reimplementation of windows.  Original windowsL >> >> code is only required if you're emulating a windows binary....and only0 >> >> then if the WINE libraries are incomplete. >> >E >> > Yup. Learned that in between. What do you mean with "emulating arD >> > windows binary"? Are talking about a genuine M$ tool that comes >> > with Windoze like the CLI?u >> yP >> On x86 machines you can run a windows .exe file as if it were native, becauseJ >> of environment emulation routines (mainly LDT and GDT tinkering) in theR >> kernel.  The wine version of the dlls will be loaded unless they are overriddenG >> (by the user) to use the native windows ones, or if there is no winek$ >> equivalent (such as vbrunx00.dll) > A > Sorry, don't understand that. Is WINE part of the Linux kernel?E  L No, it uses facilities in the linux kernel to do things which most processesO do not:  setup LDTs.  They're useless to anything _but_ emulating the structurer/ of another environment, such as DOS or Windows.   ? > What does it mean "as if it were native"? Can you install the @ > original Windoze DLLs or leave the WINE versions of these DLLs > in place?   J Either way.  The wine software loads the windows.exe into memory, and doesJ fixups for the dlls.  For each of the dlls required (or requested later), K wine makes a choice:  use the 'real' dll, or use the wine-supplied dll.  By N default it uses the wine-supplied, but can be overridden.  So, for all intentsK and purposes, the windows .exe file is being run as a native application:  4F there is no emulation, other than in initial setup and library fixups.     > # >> >> > AFAIK from a sound PR event N >> >> > organised by SUN to promote Solaris/386 you even have to buy a WindowsL >> >> > licence - though I'm not sure about this because this was about 1990M >> >> > or even earlier. One of the best technical PR events I ever met. Only,Q >> >> > a few SUN people but highly qualified, sound answers, very good concepts.e >> >> > Alas UNIX crap ... >> >>m0 >> >> WABI required a windows license, not Wine. >> >@ >> > Okay then - as far as I understood the concept is the same:E >> > offering the Windoze API on the host platform. Maybe the licence8: >> > requirement comes from a contract between SUN and M$. >>  P >> WABI does binary emulation _only_.  Wine does binary emulation _and_ provides8 >> a source API to provide building native applications. > ? > What is a source API? If I have the header files of Windoze I B > can write an application for WABI because all other Windoze apps@ > that run under WABI are written that way. What is specifically7 > needed for building native ("native" wrt what?) apps?a  I Applications which run under WABI are _strictly_ x86 windows EXE files.  sL There is no other choice.  That is what it emulates, and if you wish to run 2 something under it, you must generate that format.  J Wine, on the other hand, will _allow_ those files to be "emulated" (thoughO its only an environment emulation, the code is run natively on the processor), GK but also provides winelib, which is a native (I.E. linux ELF shared object)oN library which allows you to recompile your 'windows' source code into a linux + ELF executable with the same functionality.7  = So, if you had "hello.c" which was windows source, you could:a   Under wabi:n: 	compile with a windows compiler and then run the x86 .exe   Under wine: : 	compile with a windows compiler and then run the x86 .exeI or	compile with a native compiler (i.e. gcc) and run the linux executable"       Get it?/ BrianD   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:12:45 +0000h) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>VY Subject: Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS Educati onalProgram) o , Message-ID: <3ABBE67D.99E24172@infopuls.com>   Brian Wheeler wrote: > - > In article <3ABA9A86.E75BFE9@infopuls.com>,<5 >         Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:  > > Brian Wheeler wrote: > >>1 > >> In article <3AB925E1.1C7BA213@infopuls.com>,l8 > >>         Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: > >> > Brian Wheeler wrote:) > >> >>  > >-
 > > [SNIP] > >< > >> >2 > >> >> > WINE requires some sort of Windows also. > >> >>sP > >> >> No, it does not.  It is a reimplementation of windows.  Original windowsN > >> >> code is only required if you're emulating a windows binary....and only2 > >> >> then if the WINE libraries are incomplete. > >> >G > >> > Yup. Learned that in between. What do you mean with "emulating a F > >> > windows binary"? Are talking about a genuine M$ tool that comes! > >> > with Windoze like the CLI?f > >>R > >> On x86 machines you can run a windows .exe file as if it were native, becauseL > >> of environment emulation routines (mainly LDT and GDT tinkering) in theT > >> kernel.  The wine version of the dlls will be loaded unless they are overriddenI > >> (by the user) to use the native windows ones, or if there is no wine & > >> equivalent (such as vbrunx00.dll) > >rC > > Sorry, don't understand that. Is WINE part of the Linux kernel?b > N > No, it uses facilities in the linux kernel to do things which most processesQ > do not:  setup LDTs.  They're useless to anything _but_ emulating the structureb1 > of another environment, such as DOS or Windows.; > A > > What does it mean "as if it were native"? Can you install thebB > > original Windoze DLLs or leave the WINE versions of these DLLs
 > > in place?  > L > Either way.  The wine software loads the windows.exe into memory, and doesK > fixups for the dlls.  For each of the dlls required (or requested later),;M > wine makes a choice:  use the 'real' dll, or use the wine-supplied dll.  BypP > default it uses the wine-supplied, but can be overridden.  So, for all intentsK > and purposes, the windows .exe file is being run as a native application:;H > there is no emulation, other than in initial setup and library fixups.  > Exactly what I thought how it should work. I misunderstood the@ English "as if it were native" as expressing it weren't native -? native as beeing executed without emulation. That's why I don't;2 like the use of the word "emulation" further down.  % > >> >> > AFAIK from a sound PR eventnP > >> >> > organised by SUN to promote Solaris/386 you even have to buy a WindowsN > >> >> > licence - though I'm not sure about this because this was about 1990O > >> >> > or even earlier. One of the best technical PR events I ever met. Only S > >> >> > a few SUN people but highly qualified, sound answers, very good concepts.e > >> >> > Alas UNIX crap ... > >> >>b2 > >> >> WABI required a windows license, not Wine. > >> >B > >> > Okay then - as far as I understood the concept is the same:G > >> > offering the Windoze API on the host platform. Maybe the licencen< > >> > requirement comes from a contract between SUN and M$. > >>R > >> WABI does binary emulation _only_.  Wine does binary emulation _and_ provides: > >> a source API to provide building native applications. > > A > > What is a source API? If I have the header files of Windoze I&D > > can write an application for WABI because all other Windoze appsB > > that run under WABI are written that way. What is specifically9 > > needed for building native ("native" wrt what?) apps?  > I > Applications which run under WABI are _strictly_ x86 windows EXE files. M > There is no other choice.  That is what it emulates, and if you wish to runD4 > something under it, you must generate that format.  @ This is a special use of the word "emulate" but it might well be correct.  L > Wine, on the other hand, will _allow_ those files to be "emulated" (thoughP > its only an environment emulation, the code is run natively on the processor),M > but also provides winelib, which is a native (I.E. linux ELF shared object)bO > library which allows you to recompile your 'windows' source code into a linux-- > ELF executable with the same functionality.V > ? > So, if you had "hello.c" which was windows source, you could:p > 
 > Under wabi:&C >         compile with a windows compiler and then run the x86 .exen > 
 > Under wine:sC >         compile with a windows compiler and then run the x86 .exe;P > or      compile with a native compiler (i.e. gcc) and run the linux executable > 	 > Get it?8 > Brians  ; Got it completely. It is plausible and in congruence what Ip; thought. I didn't know and didn't think about the option to0; generate a Linux (or Solaris which isn't possible) binary -t@ probably because these techniques have been developed to offer a@ way to run programs on Linux/Solaris of which the sources aren't around..: Very good explanation anyway. The concept is convincing. I7 wonder why it isn't wider spread. VMware is widely used @ (although offering a lot of different possibilities) for running Win apps on Linux. Thanks.D   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:36:59 +0000y) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>sY Subject: Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS EducationalProgram) Pr&+ Message-ID: <3ABBDE1B.98453C3@infopuls.com>0   Paul Repacholi wrote:T > - > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:c > F > > Will this also remove all directories? I remember sometimes havingG > > the directories left. I normally use backup to move files to retainv > > the modification date. > K > No. But you do not always want to nuke the directories and go through the<G > overhead of re-creating and extending them. The delete get rid of theB0 > directories VERY fast once the files are gone. >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.mB >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.  8 Do you mean the "$ DELETE [...]*.*;*"? On my system this> complains about deleting a directory which isn't empty because there is a directory in it.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:41:54 +0000o) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>gY Subject: Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS EducationalProgram) Pr,, Message-ID: <3ABBDF42.2646B6AB@infopuls.com>   Mark Berryman wrote: >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >c7 > > In article <9987av$n5a$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>,t1 > >  bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler) writes:  > > |> > > |> > Case 2: > > |> >N > > |> > An application, as part of its normal operations has put about 10,000P > > |> > files in a small directory tree.  I now need to clean out about half ofN > > |> > them.  All permutations using wildcards fail (the string generated by7 > > |> > the shell is too long and the command aborts).  > > |> >% > > |> > How do I remove these files?v > > |>R > > |> Using bash (though I'm other shells have very similar functionality), I did > > |> a test: > > |> > > |> $ ls | wc -lf; > > |>   10002              <-- # of files in the directoryf
 > > |> $ ls *e, > > |> bash: /bin/ls: Argument list too long# > > |> $ for n in *; do rm $n; done, > > |> $ ls | wc -ln > > |>       0 > >nI > > I read this as a case where he did not want to just delete everything-F > > in the directory.  If that were the case, it is trivial to do in a > > shell independant manner.c > >  $ ls | wc -l 9 > >    10002              <-- # of files in the directorym$ > >  $ find . -type f -exec rm {} \; > >  $ ls | wc -l7 > >    0 > F > A good answer, and one I've used on occasion.  However, find suffersH > from what I consider to be a fatal flaw - it cannot select files basedJ > on creation date, only various modification dates.  I need to be able toJ > select files based on both a wildcard pattern and a creation date ealier > than a given date. > E > What would be your solution in this case?  (and remember, we're noto: > talking "can it be done" but "how easy is it to do it".) > H > > One of the strengths of the software tools concept (on which much ofK > > unix is based) is that there is usually more than one way to accomplish 6 > > a task and a well stocked toolbox is a good thing. > H > The problem I have with this is that I get tired of having to take outF > that "well stocked toolbox" and building my own solution each time IH > encounter an issue.  It would be nice if the answer was already there.5 > Flexibility is great but it can be carried too far.d > , > You may, of course, feel very differently. >  > Mark Berrymana > Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com  = While I like flexibility where it is appropriate I agree thatu; wrt known problems and objects this need for flexibility inT? simple tasks turns out to be a consequence of the fact that thee: implementors didn't think through. "ls", "rm" and "mv" are@ excellent examples as they all three deal with files. The number< and type of file attributes is fixed. Why not offer a simple; mechanism to select and sort according to these attributes?i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:52:57 +0000t) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> Y Subject: Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elements? (was Re: OpenVMS EducationalProgram) Pr , Message-ID: <3ABBE1D9.988F9A5C@infopuls.com>   Mark Berryman wrote: > G > I've been out of touch with news for a couple of days so I'm a little-H > bit behind in responding to comments to my posting, pleae bear with me> > (I've still got over 500 Info-VAX messages to wade through).  # Congratulations to your first shot!e  
 [BIG SNIP]   > Certainly, a single command: > $ > $ delete [...]*.*;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;* > F > Add as many ",;*" to the end of the command as you like depending on> > potential directory depth, it doesn't hurt to have too many.   This is the hit!   >  > Mark.Berrymans > Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com  : I admire your efficiency in destroying the "UNIX is better- because it's simpler and more flexible" tale.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:23:59 -0500i- From: "Bret P. Carlin" <carlin@tunl.duke.edu>t) Subject: Emulex UC04 SCSI controller cards( Message-ID: <99raus$1p4$1@news.duke.edu>  I I have one of these cards without any doc's.  Does anyone have the switch. settings for SW1, SW2 and SW3? -- Bret P. Carlin+ Manager, Computing And Electronics Facility ( Triangle Universities Nuclear Laboratory Duke University 	 BOX 90308  Durham, NC USA 27708-0308a
 (919)660-2544l     ---t& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> Version: 6.0.240 / Virus Database: 116 - Release Date: 3/23/01   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:35:47 GMTg= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-).= Subject: Re: executing commands on behalf of another terminal 0 Message-ID: <009F9BEE.63FC2DE4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  V In article <01K1REF23J40006JSB@SEMATECH.Org>, Drew Shelton <drew@sematech.org> writes: >>hi vms folks,a >  >t >cS >>is there a method of executing dcl commands on behalf of another user's terminal.o >e >>here is an example.i >a >w >i >>user A terminal tna1:& >>user B terminal tna2:e >iL >>user A writes dcl commands which outputs or executes at user B's terminal.8 >>so that terminal tna2: shares the input of both users. > _ >>some years ago, someone executed dcl commands on behalf me at my terminal, from his terminal.t >i >>here is an examplle sequense:  >s> >>user A executes a "$set h 0" command at his terminal (tna1:)2 >>the username prompt appears at user B's terminalS >>user B answers with the username which appears in both terminals (tna1: and tma2)C- >>user A sees the input of user B. and so on.G >p >>My question is : >  >>How is this possible ? >a
 >>any clues ?i >  >>reguards, Nazim Manser.- >-I >Sounds like your looking for something like Raxco's Contrl or Networkinge >Dynamic's Peek and Spy.  H Both actually intercept the terminal I/O.  What if all he wants to do isH force the issuance of a DCL command in the other process?  (Hint, hint.)   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt            IO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:58:48 +1000>/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>s= Subject: Re: executing commands on behalf of another terminal / Message-ID: <RlUw6.194$SK5.6537@ozemail.com.au>q  7 Nazim MANSER <Nazim.Manser@socgen.com> wrote in message>L news:01F733AC309D804F*/c=FR/admd=ATLAS/prmd=SG/o=INFI/s=MANSER/g=NAZIM/@MHS. .. > hi vms folks,m >  >h >mI > is there a method of executing dcl commands on behalf of another user'sc	 terminal.w >  > here is an example.  >y >> >  > user A terminal tna1:a > user B terminal tna2:i >eL > user A writes dcl commands which outputs or executes at user B's terminal.8 > so that terminal tna2: shares the input of both users. >lL > some years ago, someone executed dcl commands on behalf me at my terminal, from his terminal. >i > here is an examplle sequense:s >r> > user A executes a "$set h 0" command at his terminal (tna1:)2 > the username prompt appears at user B's terminalI > user B answers with the username which appears in both terminals (tna1:r	 and tma2)o- > user A sees the input of user B. and so on.o >r > My question is : >O > How is this possible ? > 
 > any clues ?i9 The "Supervisor" software which was only available on VAXL7 can do something like this - it may be on a freeware cd ; but if not you should be able to get it from MadGoat or WKUe Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:58:39 +0100 * From: Phile Steeler <Phile@Steeler.KGB.ru> Subject: Re: fdvshr.exeu. Message-ID: <3AC3317F.A38C3FF5@Steeler.KGB.ru>   Bedlam702 wrote: >  > Hi,, > P > I am looking for this .exe. I had to put in a new hard drive and I reloaded myE > backup tape and it was gone. Any help would be greatly appreciated.y  + Look, I already told you ... I've got them.   < I'm now upping the ante (is that what you westerners say ?).   The price is now $2,048.  2 You know how to contact me ... gimme the money and you get the files back.   	 No deals.l   Phile Steeler.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:10:01 +0100l- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>e Subject: Re: fdvshr.exe.1 Message-ID: <3AC33429.F061EF81@BlueBubble.UK.Com>n   Phile Steeler wrote: >  > Bedlam702 wrote: > >o > > Hi,c > >sR > > I am looking for this .exe. I had to put in a new hard drive and I reloaded myG > > backup tape and it was gone. Any help would be greatly appreciated.  > - > Look, I already told you ... I've got them.l > > > I'm now upping the ante (is that what you westerners say ?). >  > The price is now $2,048. > 4 > You know how to contact me ... gimme the money and > you get the files back.  >  > No deals.  >  > Phile Steeler.  < These guys are serious.  Pay up if you want your files back.  : I made the mistake of refusing to pay.  They stole my PL/1@ and SCAN compilers, and I've never had a chance since to program! in a decent programming language.s  	 Roy Omonda Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:21:39 GMTn) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton)o Subject: Re: fdvshr.exet0 Message-ID: <3ac3d181.15796744@news.wcc.govt.nz>  @ I have not installed Forms or Forms RT either. But I do have theC fdvshr image. This on a  disk rebuilt for 7.2 on VAX. I believe thee- image may have been installed as part of SLS.   F Original Poster states the image was no longer there after restoring a disk which is strange.  > So, what is actually failing a a result of this missing image? How was the disk restored.  B Also, isn't the Forms Runtime now part of NAS. On most systems youF could probably copy the image without upsetting any license agreements if you have a NAS License.  D You could probably install Forms Runtime if you have the NAS License* or possibly look through the FMS Savesets.   Rob.    1 On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:24:10 +0100, Tim LlewellynR  <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:   >s >- >Didier Morandi wrote: >pP >> fdvshr is a shareable image used by the DIGITAL FMS (Forms Management System)S >> layered product. Unless you have the FMS distribution kit available, I don't see ; >> how you could still use your forms on the (new?) system.> >> > S >Even though FMS is not maintained or supported anymore a FMS runtime licence still R >appears to be a required purchase for a new system that needs to run FMS.   Thats
 >according >to a recent quote.. >t >>S >> Anyone has experimented copying fdvshr.exe on a VMS system to have his/her formsu >> displayed???i >> >i	 >naughty.  > --   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:01:45 +1000r/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>t Subject: Re: fdvshr.exen/ Message-ID: <XgVw6.233$SK5.7106@ozemail.com.au>m   > > > These guys are serious.  Pay up if you want your files back. >n< > I made the mistake of refusing to pay.  They stole my PL/1B > and SCAN compilers, and I've never had a chance since to program# > in a decent programming language.   " I think vax scan is now "freeware" Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:10:11 -0500o% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>0) Subject: Re: File version update questionh" Message-ID: <3ac3a4f9@news.si.com>  D >How can I phrase the cmd so that the highest version of BASE.TXT is >always the one replaced?s  ! Here's the HELP for COPY/REPLACE:n   COPY  
   /REPLACE           /REPLACE         /NOREPLACE (default)  E      Requests that, if a file exists with the same file specificationnA      as that entered for the output file, the existing file is to D      be deleted. The COPY command allocates new space for the outputC      file. In general, when you use the /REPLACE qualifier, includeaB      version numbers with the file specifications. By default, the@      COPY command creates a new version of a file if a file withD      that specification exists, incrementing the version number. TheE      /NOREPLACE qualifier signals an error when a conflict in versionp      numbers occurs.  ) This leads me to believe that if you use:d  0 $ COPY/REPLACE  ONE.TXT,TWO.TXT,etc   BASE.TXT;0  6 you'll get what you want.  I haven't tried it, though. -- aA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com"= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent>< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Mar 2001 17:05:04 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.412538.killspam.015a (Wayne Sewell)e) Subject: Re: File version update questions. Message-ID: <JNIZivvgFv1T@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  Y In article <3AC276F9.80A19320@vmmc.org>, Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> writes:h > OpenVMS V7.1-1H2 >  > I have a cmd as follows: > . > COPY/REPLACE  ONE.TXT,TWO.TXT,etc   BASE.TXT > . > 1) If BASE.TXT does not exist, it is created > / > 2) If BASE.TXT;1 alone exists, it is replaceds > B > 3) If BASE.TXT;n exists (where n>1),  then BASE.TXT;1 is created; > if it does not exist, or is replaced if it does exist(!?)  > E > How can I phrase the cmd so that the highest version of BASE.TXT isa > always the one replaced? >     * I did not see the behavior you describe.        $ let's do your original command twice    - MOE> COPY/REPLACE  ONE.TXT,TWO.TXT   BASE.TXTtP %COPY-S-COPIED, LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE]ONE.TXT;1 copied to LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE]BASE .TXT;1 (1 block)P %COPY-S-APPENDED, LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE]TWO.TXT;1 appended to LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE] BASE.TXT;1 (1 record)t- MOE> COPY/REPLACE  ONE.TXT,TWO.TXT   BASE.TXT P %COPY-S-COPIED, LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE]ONE.TXT;1 copied to LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE]BASE .TXT;2 (1 block)P %COPY-S-APPENDED, LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE]TWO.TXT;1 appended to LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE] BASE.TXT;2 (1 record)o MOE>  + it appears we have created versions 1 and 2i     so this time I will add the ";"     . MOE> COPY/REPLACE  ONE.TXT,TWO.TXT   BASE.TXT;P %COPY-S-COPIED, LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE]ONE.TXT;1 copied to LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE]BASE .TXT;3 (1 block)P %COPY-S-APPENDED, LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE]TWO.TXT;1 appended to LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE] BASE.TXT;3 (1 record)e MOE>. MOE> COPY/REPLACE  ONE.TXT,TWO.TXT   BASE.TXT;P %COPY-S-COPIED, LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE]ONE.TXT;1 copied to LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE]BASE .TXT;4 (1 block)P %COPY-S-APPENDED, LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE]TWO.TXT;1 appended to LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE] BASE.TXT;4 (1 record)s MOE>      G Okay, now we created verions 3 and 4.  Still haven't replaced anything.i      N Notice that I did it twice with BASE.TXT and twice with BASE.TXT; and all fourK times it created a new file rather than replacing any existing version.  ItxM appears that /replace doesn't do anything without an explicit version number.h    * okay, let's use an explicit version number    / MOE> COPY/REPLACE  ONE.TXT,TWO.TXT   BASE.TXT;2i? %COPY-I-REPLACED, LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE]BASE.TXT;2 being replaceduP %COPY-S-COPIED, LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE]ONE.TXT;1 copied to LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE]BASE .TXT;2 (1 block)P %COPY-S-APPENDED, LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE]TWO.TXT;1 appended to LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE] BASE.TXT;2 (1 record)a MOE>      P Note that the "%COPY-I-REPLACED, LAUREL_DISK2:[WAYNE]BASE.TXT;2 being replaced" G didn't appear until this last command with the explicit version number.r    N All I can suggest is use "file = f$search("base.txt;")" to get the actual fileN name including current highest version and use that with "copy/replace 'file'"    H By the way, my copy symbol didn't do anything to change the test.  It is
 defined as     CO*PY == "COPY/LOG"m     this was on alpha 7.2-1    Wayner -- EO =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxn: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O ===============================================================================yO Dean Wormer to Flounder: "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."-   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:44:31 GMT<( From: "Mrvax" <mr.nospamvax@hotmail.com>( Subject: FS alphaserver 4000/4100 Memory8 Message-ID: <3mbw6.900$zK6.174913@typhoon.austin.rr.com>  L I have the following memory sitting in surpluss and will consider selling ifK any interest: All server were upgraded to 4GB so we don't need them anymore.J all are working. All prices are in U.S. dollars. I will use paypal or someK means of escrow to ensure that the memory works and the funds clear. Please>G reply to the board if interested I would be willing to sell it in other < configurations just post to the group and I will contact you  9 4 sets of 128 MB (64mb per board)   Asking $250 per 128MBa4 2 sets of 1GB (512mb per board)  Asking $2800 per GB8 2 sets of 512MB (256MB per board) Asking $1500 per 512MB   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:02:47 GMT>3 From: Dave Harrold <DRHarrold.nospam@earthlink.net>f, Subject: Getting % Merged or Copied from DCL8 Message-ID: <s0c7ct4pldjh6mmrt869v2rcrhctgtc3nd@4ax.com>   Hi All,;  F I would like to be able to get the % merged or % copied information in@ a DCL procedure.   This is the same information provided by SHOW DEVICE.    $ sh dev dua117a  E Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free 	 Trans Mnt F  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks	 Count Cnt F DSA117:                 Mounted              0  PRODI04       88870563 121   2 E $1$DUA117:    (MINNIE)  ShadowMergeMbr       0  (merging DSA117:  43%f merged)cE $1$DUA217:     (PLUTO)  ShadowMergeMbr       0  (merging DSA117:  43%  merged)   D  I haven't been able to identify any argument to F$GETDVI to provideF that information.  Is this possible?  Is it available from the $GETDVI system service?  e  - Any information would be greatly appreciated.e   Thanks,"   Dave Harrold    V ======================================================================================V Dave Harrold                                          E-Mail: David_Harrold@Aurora.orgL Sr. Software Systems Engineer                         Phone : (414) 647-6204L Aurora Health Care                                    FAX   : (414) 647-4999I 3031 W. Montana Street                                Milwaukee, WI 53234c  X "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to/ underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:05:32 -0600i( From: "Bill Ames" <billames@accunet.net>* Subject: I need help sorting a file ahhhh!/ Message-ID: <tc26vmhtsgroa9@corp.supernews.com>c  H I have a file that is indexed and when new records are added they prettyJ much stay in the order that they were entered only sorted on the main key.I Well someone reindexed the file and alas lost the sort in which they werenF intered.  I can type the following command to get in sorted correctly:  I SORT/KEY=(POS=1,SIZ=6)/KEY=(POS=12,SIZ=23)/KEY=(POS=97,SIZ=12) shipto.idxa
 shipto.seq  ; But notice it is now a sequential file.  Well when I do the  CONVERT/FDL=CNTRL:SHIPTO.FDL   I loose the sort again.B  B Is there a way to sort an indexed file and retain the indexed file
 format????   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:23:28 -0500g- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> . Subject: Re: I need help sorting a file ahhhh!, Message-ID: <3AC12EF8.84931B04@videotron.ca>   Bill Ames wrote:D > Is there a way to sort an indexed file and retain the indexed file > format????    M Yep, the order of secondary key records is more or less "random"  for records ! that have the same secondary key.   N To put the records in order of their primary key inside of their secondary key  L (eg: when accessing by secondary keyt, records will be provided in the order' of their primary key) do the following:-  + ANA/FDL myfile.data   -> creates myfile.fdla. CONVERT/FDL=myfile.fdl myfile.data myfile.data  R This not only fixes the order of records, but also reclaims deleted space etc etc.  E the ANA/FDL need not be done everytime, unless your file grows a lot.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:58:25 -0500l  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>G Subject: Re: INSFSPTS - insufficient SPTEs available (on OpenVMS Alpha) 5 Message-ID: <1010327175013.3369A-100000@Ives.egh.com>l  * On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Mark D. Jilson wrote:  H > What is bogus about it?  System Page Table Entries (SPTE) are a finiteI > resource and a system service request that attempts to create more than-F > can be created will lead to this error.  HELP/MESS may or may not be  < According to sysgen on Alpha VMS V7.2-1, SPTREQ is VAX only.  I > useful.  Please contact Oracle and ask them what VMS system service wasnJ > called, what were the parameters passed to it and what was the status ofG > the call.  Also look at the System SPace Expansion Region in the CLUEmG > MEMORY/LAYOUT display from SDA.  This will give you an idea as to howe: > much system virtual address space you have to play with.  D I'd try an autogen with feedback & testparams, and see what it would adjust.x   > Gorazd Kikelj wrote: > >  > > Hi,e > > ' > > this error message is very annoing.  > > B > > Facts: OpenVMS 7.2-1, Oracle 7.3, 10GB RAM caa.+1000 processes > > I > > This error is bogus as help message in HELP /MESS does not return anyu2 > > usefull info about how to resolve the problem. > > A > > This is solely database server without any interactive users.h > > L > > I'll check with MAXBOB* parameters, but reboots must be planed carefuly. > >  > > best regards, Gorazd Kikeljt > > ! > > NEPTUN$ mc sysgen show sptreqa( > > %SYSGEN-E-NOPARAM, no such parameter > > K > > If I try to adjust BALSETCNT and MAXPROCCESSCNT with Autogen, followingn' > > warning apear in AGEN$PARAMS.REPORTa > >   I Why are you trying to adjust these?  You aren't running out of processes.oE Having lots of free processes is no better than have just a few, it'snE not like memory pool where having lots free reduces fragmentation and E makes performance better.  As long as you don't completely run out ofrG process slots, it doesn't matter at all how many free there are (exceptaC too many free slots wastes system memory, possibly making your realu problem worse.)e  A > > ** WARNING ** - The user-modified value for BALSETCNT of 25001L > >         very likely would have caused system virtual address space to beH > >         exceeded rendering your system unbootable. You should reviewG > >         records pertaining to BALSETCNT and WSMAX in MODPARAMS.DAT;eH > >         these primarily affect the size of balance slots.  BALSETCNT% > >         is being reduced to 1562.t > >   > > NEPTUN$ mc sysgen show wsmaxK > > Parameter Name           Current    Default     Min.      Max.     Uniti > > DynamicaP > > --------------           -------    -------    -------   -------   ----  --- > > ----N > > WSMAX                     2097152       4096      1024    8388608 PageletsK > >  internal value            131072        256        64     524288 Pages( > >  > > NEPTUN$ show memD > >               System Memory Resources on 27-MAR-2001 11:47:59.05 > > P > > Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use    ModifiedP > >   Main Memory (10240.00Mb)       1310720      519439      790209        1072 > > D > > Virtual I/O Cache (Kbytes):        Total        Free      In UseD > >   Cache Memory                      3200           0        3200 > > P > > Granularity Hint Regions (pages):  Total        Free      In Use    ReleasedP > >   Execlet code region               1024           0         540         484P > >   Execlet data region                200           0         197           3P > >   S0/S1 Executive data region       2863           0        2863           0P > >   Resident image code region        1024           0         822         202 > > P > > Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident     SwappedP > >   Process Entry Slots               1676         406        1270           0P > >   Balance Set Slots                 1567         299        1268           0 > > P > > Dynamic Memory Usage (bytes):      Total        Free      In Use     LargestP > >   Nonpaged Dynamic Memory       22863872     3072448    19791424     2890624P > >   Bus Addressable Memory          204800       81920      122880       81920P > >   Paged Dynamic Memory          14368768     9521648     4847120     9408848D > >   Lock Manager Dynamic Memory    2678784        6912     2671872 > > D > > Buffer Object Usage (pages):                  In Use        PeakD > >   32-bit System Space Windows (S0/S1)          13632       13632D > >   64-bit System Space Windows (S2)              1151        1151D > >   Physical pages locked by buffer objects      14783       14783 > > P > > Memory Reservations (pages):       Group    Reserved      In Use        TypeP > >   ORA_KISP_SGA                    SYSGBL      115200      100209   AllocatedP > >   ORA_RFISP_SGA                   SYSGBL      102400       61537   AllocatedP > >   ORA_ISSP_SGA                    SYSGBL        3456        3377   AllocatedP > >   ORA_KISP_SGA                    SYSGBL         113          98  Page TableP > >   ORA_RFISP_SGA                   SYSGBL         100          61  Page TableP > >   ORA_ISSP_SGA                    SYSGBL           4           4  Page TableD > >   Total (1728.70 Mbytes reserved)             221273      165286 > > P > > Paging File Usage (blocks):                     Free  Reservable       Total+ > >   DISK$SYST01:[SYS0.SYSEXE]SWAPFILE.SYSuP > >                                               220160      220160      220160+ > >   DISK$SYST01:[SYS0.SYSEXE]PAGEFILE.SYS P > >                                             12590976     5289680    12590976# > >   SYS1:[PAGEFILE]PAGEFILE.SYS;1 P > >                                              5396480     2270368     5396480 > > J > > Of the physical pages in use, 14257 pages are permanently allocated to > > OpenVMS. > >    -- n John Santosr Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:26:05 +0100>  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>1 Subject: It's not boring any more, IT'S INSULTING>+ Message-ID: <VA.0000032b.664e4ee2@sture.ch>e  B In article <3ABB4C28.E5316DD1@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass wrote:' > Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:14:16 +0000p+ > From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>e > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsTN > Subject: Re: Boring the pants off the COV (was RE: Dumbing Down VMS with...) >  > "Doc.Cypher" wrote:e > > & > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > C > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:a > > >"Doc.Cypher" wrote: > > >>) > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----j > > >>F > > >> On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote: > > >>
 > > >> <snip>  > > >>S > > >> >> I've been following this "VMS is the best thing since Alan Turing's time"e$ > > >> >> argument for too long now. > > >> > > > >> >Misunderstanding.m > > >>M > > >> Really? You do seem to be in favour of VMS in an almost fanatical way.- > > >- > > >Technical, *technical*! > > O > > But Christoff, your passion for the subject is not doing your viewpoint anyF > > favours. This is important.s > > O > > You might think that there was no substance to my little flamewar with Tony O > > Szopa (a known Troll). That's because the point was already made and he (a) N > > refused to acknowledge it, and (b) Was most discourteous. So, he invited a7 > > flaming. You have to be careful not to do the same.c > > N > > One of the key pieces of advice in RFC 1855 is to cool off before posting.L > > It doesn't say that you should avoid using inflammatory language, but itL > > would be a good idea around here to do so only when you don't care about4 > > the followups (or know they'll be on your side). > > O > > The only way you'll get everyone on your side, is if you're bashing The Q'snF > > marketing division for not getting their act together to sell VMS. > >  > > Doc. > > ! > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----  > > Version: 2.6.2 > > D > > iQEVAwUBOrqD8sriC3SGiziTAQEC2AgAra/tiZ1+z48TqBCowxz16uXU+ZYg3/bdD > > sD2MKLWn2L5iHVDspQLHo9Q6aSlQoDQ0rHLdGN5j1nA5qTsE6ipvO4lLQy0r7r5sD > > zAKbQ04/+H7JMXgJqJ+vwxi7ZlXxpXBSgLckhh2cYSZ1YY2L8SAFUfSitrgNe2PVD > > YT7J1MpR3HSQP+OR0v+0YP/jjsOeiz4h1ufiBwWC/aM5qdMC9cWPakUINvQOhN7zD > > WZ7Zfs57tDEUkmuSHys7yvJR4NF1c9oyZIAWnIxb2BLQCFZCMAqQvuIYnzNdL0EW< > > BwTM9our/IwQ1pCjFuoviBK1Fi9v/5MUVpJoOxUyOG29FzqMEJt7rA==	 > > =fDaY' > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----  > @ > You are basically right but I don't try to get the majority on@ > my side as I don't think that VMS is an OS for the majority or( > fine arts or every high quality stuff. > @ > My biggest mistake - if we could say so - is not to be able to@ > communicate my intents to some of the people that might agree.B > But most opponents won't change their minds because *they* don'tB > fit in. This NG is devoted to VMS not to UNIX crap. Therefore itB > is very naturally to defend VMS from a technically point of view> > against damage which is to be expected of the course the COE > things might take. > A > To be clear: what the majority thinks or does is no measure for A > quality. It could be the extinction of some minorities. In thats? > I could reference to the butt head (Brian Wheeler) in this NGb@ > accusing me of beeing like the Nazis against the Jews. I wouldB > have used a more drastic word to denote this stupid ashole but I? > don't know any suitable words which will pass the four letter) > words filters.  Q You still don't get the message, do you? People have told you politely, and then d3 used stronger language, and you still don't get it!C  H YOU ARE SINGLE-HANDEDLY MAKING THIS NEWSGROUP AN UNPLEASANT PLACE TO BE.  R 118 messages from you out of a total of 854 messages in the last 7 days, plus manyN responses. Maybe 3 or 4 of technical interest, the rest garbage. I am sick of  hearing your mantra.  + > To come back: I'm a member of a minority!E  C Big deal. You can't go through life blaming everyone else for that.]   > Too A > many people here support the UNIXification of VMS - I think outDA > of despair. I'm used to be part of a minority. My mother tongue A > is a rarely used language. My favourite PLs are rarely used. MyB< > favorite desktop OSs are close to extinction. My favourite? > enterprise OSs are near to extinction. Do you think you could A > impress me with "showing the instruments" (if you understand toE) > which medieval phrase I'm referencing)?e > ? > To get the applaus of the majority is boring. To get the besto7 > people on my side is a challenge and would please me.E >T  , A challenge you are totally failing to meet.   Spectacularly.  S You have insulted folks here who I greatly respect. I even applaud Andrew Harrison i@ for his response to you, and I normally do not give him an inch.  T You are making bitter enemies here. Since English is not your mother tongue, let me S explain that the F word is deeply insulting. I have _never_ used it in front of my dL parents or my sister, and maybe only once or twice in front of my brothers.  _That's_ how bad it is.d  	 I repeat:S  H YOU ARE SINGLE-HANDEDLY MAKING THIS NEWSGROUP AN UNPLEASANT PLACE TO BE.H YOU ARE SINGLE-HANDEDLY MAKING THIS NEWSGROUP AN UNPLEASANT PLACE TO BE.H YOU ARE SINGLE-HANDEDLY MAKING THIS NEWSGROUP AN UNPLEASANT PLACE TO BE.   ___e
 Paul Sture Switzerlandx   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:14:00 GMTu/ From: StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood)y Subject: Java replacement?2 Message-ID: <3abaa34d.167775459@news.telocity.com>   http://tame.virtualsellers.com/o  A This company was just brought to my attention, and while I do not=D personally have a use for it, I thought people here would definitelyE have an opinion about it.  I am not into web development (as might beo# obvious from some of my questions).l  C 1.  Does this site work with the VMS version of Netscape? Lynx?  MybD Hobby system has been displaced by my newborn son, so I can not testD it.  It does work from a Wintel system with Java(Script) turned off.  F 2.  Given the worry about security in Java and/or JavaScript, how doesD this product compare?  Should I worry about accessing pages that are using this technology?  D 3.  There were recent discussions here about the availability of theA latest Java code for VMS.  Is the server something to try and getlB ported to VMS to get around this problem?  Does something similiar already exist?  @ 4.  Other questions/points which are sure to be brought up here.  : Thank you for you input.  I look forward to your opinions.   Steve  Steven P. Underwood,DNRC Whitinsville,MAb StevenU@POBoxes.comw   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2001 14:36:54 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)bF Subject: Re: Keeping userids and passwords synchronize across 4 Alphas3 Message-ID: <7y9+GtfdrqoH@eisner.encompasserve.org>g  _ In article <lilpbtg3iimgvbjk91ugs6gfhfjh382qvu@4ax.com>, Norman Woo <nwoo@videotron.ca> writes:a
 > Hi folks > C > We're faced with a challenge of keeping the userids and passwordsmB > synchronize across 4 Alphas DS20Es running OpenVMS 7.1-2.  TheseG > Alphas are physically located in different locations.  Users are abletC > to access any one of these 4.   If they change their passwords onHH > mahcine, this password should be updated on the other 3.  Likewise, ifD > the system administrator adds/modify/deletes a userid, this should0 > also be reflected across the other 3 machines. > 1 > We cannot user proxies due to security issues. 0  J People who worry about security issues should NEVER synchronize passwords.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:53:58 -0300M) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br F Subject: Re: Keeping userids and passwords synchronize across 4 AlphasL Message-ID: <OF25F2FB84.8BD7561A-ON03256A1E.006D3E47@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  K What about any Single Signon product which runs under OpenVMS ? Any product  ?e     regards    FC        J Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) em 29/03/2001 16:36:54  E Favor responder a Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)@             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comg      F Assunto: Re: Keeping userids and passwords synchronize across 4 Alphas    C In article <lilpbtg3iimgvbjk91ugs6gfhfjh382qvu@4ax.com>, Norman Wooe <nwoo@videotron.ca> writes: 
 > Hi folks >WC > We're faced with a challenge of keeping the userids and passwordshB > synchronize across 4 Alphas DS20Es running OpenVMS 7.1-2.  TheseG > Alphas are physically located in different locations.  Users are able1C > to access any one of these 4.   If they change their passwords onnH > mahcine, this password should be updated on the other 3.  Likewise, ifD > the system administrator adds/modify/deletes a userid, this should0 > also be reflected across the other 3 machines. >n0 > We cannot user proxies due to security issues.  J People who worry about security issues should NEVER synchronize passwords.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:21:59 -0500I$ From: Norman Woo <nwoo@videotron.ca>B Subject: Keeping userids and passwords synchronize across 4 Alphas8 Message-ID: <lilpbtg3iimgvbjk91ugs6gfhfjh382qvu@4ax.com>   Hi folks  A We're faced with a challenge of keeping the userids and passwordsh@ synchronize across 4 Alphas DS20Es running OpenVMS 7.1-2.  TheseE Alphas are physically located in different locations.  Users are ableiA to access any one of these 4.   If they change their passwords ongF mahcine, this password should be updated on the other 3.  Likewise, ifB the system administrator adds/modify/deletes a userid, this should. also be reflected across the other 3 machines.  / We cannot user proxies due to security issues. h  > Any help as to how you have done this or using any third party0 software to do this woud be greatly appreciated.   Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2001 02:59:20 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>F Subject: Re: Keeping userids and passwords synchronize across 4 Alphas- Message-ID: <874rwjhu2f.fsf@prep.synonet.com>l  & Norman Woo <nwoo@videotron.ca> writes:  C > We're faced with a challenge of keeping the userids and passwords-B > synchronize across 4 Alphas DS20Es running OpenVMS 7.1-2.  These ...r Not in a cluster I assume.  1 > We cannot user proxies due to security issues. b  C Do you meant DECnet proxys? If you are not, you are opening a wholehC load of potentioal security holes... And making everyones life moreu( difficult, a security problem in itself.  @ To get around the syncing problem, you could use Kerberos. It is part of DCE.   -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.S@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2001 21:05:33 +0100) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Adam Maulis)RF Subject: Re: Keeping userids and passwords synchronize across 4 Alphas! Message-ID: <Xb5$q26tViGI@ludens>   _ In article <lilpbtg3iimgvbjk91ugs6gfhfjh382qvu@4ax.com>, Norman Woo <nwoo@videotron.ca> writes:s
 > Hi folks > C > We're faced with a challenge of keeping the userids and passwordseB > synchronize across 4 Alphas DS20Es running OpenVMS 7.1-2.  TheseG > Alphas are physically located in different locations.  Users are ablelC > to access any one of these 4.   If they change their passwords onhH > mahcine, this password should be updated on the other 3.  Likewise, ifD > the system administrator adds/modify/deletes a userid, this should0 > also be reflected across the other 3 machines.    : see Compaq DCE 3.0 (distributed computing enviroment) SPD.     > 1 > We cannot user proxies due to security issues.    ' wich type of proxyes and wich security?E     >  > Thanks in advance.    I Adam Maulis              maulis@ludens elte hu         VMS system managertH  .......................................................................H  VMS Competence Center                             VMS Szakertoi KozpontH  Eotvos Lorand University                  Eotvos Lorand TudomanyegyetemH  Budapest, Hungary                                              BudapestH  =======================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 01:26:49 -0500 ' From: Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org>f Subject: Re: listserv program , Message-ID: <3ABC3E29.7FB628F5@ui.urban.org>   Dave Pampreen wrote: > N > Is there a listserv program which runs on Alpha OpenVMS whcih users can view& > old messages (archives) via the web? >  > Dave  D LISTSERV (produced by L-Soft: http://www.lsoft.com/) runs on OpenVMSD and other platforms. It supports searchable list archives with a web
 interface.   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/) ' Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/)-5 ESILUG (http://eisner.encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)-   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:25:19 GMT02 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: LK450 question42 Message-ID: <zvPw6.322$fB6.10278@news.cpqcorp.net>  ] In article <tc3s89tc2e5vfe@corp.supernews.com>, "Robert Feehan" <rfeehan@charter.net> writes: G :I dusted off an LK450 to use on my PC and it still works fine. I can't > :however remember the key sequence for setting the key click.   #   Alt-F15  (also known as Alt-Help)    :Email replies appreciated.U     Ask here, get an answer here.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:51:31 -0500d- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> 0 Subject: Re: login failure when sysuaf is locked( Message-ID: <3AC3A04A.1FF68754@ohio.edu>  J We used to have (V5.0 timeframe) recurring batch jobs vanish, and ended upK convincing ourselves that the overnight BACKUP jobs were blocking access to8O SYSUAF.DAT while they backed it up.  We added code to copy those critical files O with CONVERT/SHARE, and then excluded the originals but not the copies from the9 backup.   L The problem did not recur, so we believed that our analysis of the cause wasL correct.  I don't know if later versions of BACKUP were more gentle in their
 access modes.   #                                 RDP7     Larry Kilgallen wrote:  F > In article <997vii$jg3$1@news.netmar.com>, Doran167W@aol.com writes: > > In articleM > > <068343AB771BA005*/c=FR/admd=ATLAS/prmd=SG/o=INFI/s=MANSER/g=NAZIM/@MHS>,p > >i3 > > Nazim MANSER  <Nazim.Manser@socgen.com> writes:c >p= > >>Is the sysuaf exclusively locked during multiple logins ?  >oF > No, and a look at the source listings kit seems to indicate that theG > RMS Wait flag is used to access the record.  Note that any error withAI > SYSUAF access produces the same %LOGIN-F-FILEACC error with no details.5 > J > > I have seen this happen only once under VMS 5.5-2 on a 4 node VAX 6300N > > cluster. I found out that one of my not-so-bright co-workers went home and) > > left his terminal at the UAF> prompt.  > B > Modern versions of UAF (Authorize) should be brighter than that. >AM > I have an axiom that says every home-made program to access SYSUAF directly2( > starts out with a locking/sharing bug.   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:23:46 -05006: From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com>% Subject: RE: LPD - OpenVMS to Solaris K Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D6DBF27@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>    > -----Original Message-----+ > From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brf. > [mailto:fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br]( > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:00 PM > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comr# > Subject: LPD - OpenVMS to Solarisc > = > I am having a problem with a LPD Server queue when printing39 > from an OpenVMS server redirecting to a printer (Xerox)o: > connected  to a Solaris 2.6 server. From one OVMS serverB > with UCX is working and the other with TCPIP is not. The message > is  :o > ; > ob A (queue ACF8, entry 286) terminated with error statusD* > %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 0764A072 >  >  > Any idea ?????  = What are you printing?  The reason I ask is, I have a similarsB setup (exception being a DAZEL Sun print server between my OpenVMSC boxes, and the Sun/Xerox), and I found out that the Xerox/Sun has ae? postscript print engine emulator (not true postscript) in it.  >C Every time I would try to print my login.com that had a SET DEF in tD it, it would not print.  Apparently, the Xerox/Sun did not like the C SET DEF in the print file, and the postscript emulator would choke ? on it.  A Perhaps you should put the non-printing systems LPD daemons into  A debug mode to see if the Xerox/Sun LPD port is open and ready to   accept print.  t   :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc.
 1275 Broadway  Albany, NY  12204n 518-487-3255 JKoska@bender.comm  H "I post personal opinion only, and all the disclaimers one could imagine apply."    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:01:08 +1000i/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>v/ Subject: Re: LPD/LPR Config with UCX on VMS 6.2n/ Message-ID: <x8Ww6.288$SK5.8544@ozemail.com.au>o  / Scott Horn <shorn@dlzcorp.com> wrote in message % news:3AC367B0.F1A14A6B@dlzcorp.com...eB > Hello all, I'm trying to configure printing to a LPD host from AH > MicroVax running VMS 6.2.  I have no UCX docs (anyone know if they areE > still online somewhere?) and little experience with the VMS OS, buta( > here's what I've managed to do so far: >t@ > I've used ucx$lprsetup to create my printer entries in the VMS: > equivalent of the printtab file, and it looks like this: >  > #w > # TEST LPR Printer > # DLZ Columbus Acct Laser2 > ILASER2|ilaser2:\L1 >         :lf=/SYS$SPECIFIC/UCX_LPD/ILASER2.LOG:\r >         :lp=ILASER2:\J' >         :rm=h042.office.company.com:\N >         :rp=text:\, >         :sd=/SYS$SPECIFIC/UCX_LPD/ILASER2: > #z > # LPR Test > # IT Color LaserJet 5I > ILASERIT|ilaserit:\z2 >         :lf=/SYS$SPECIFIC/UCX_LPD/ILASERIT.LOG:\ >         :lp=ILASERIT:\ >         :ps=non_PS:\ >         :rm=192.168.10.10:\i >         :rp=text:\- >         :sd=/SYS$SPECIFIC/UCX_LPD/ILASERIT:n > #i >t >  > E > When I run lpr and give it a queue name, I get two errors, as shown  > below: >e >m >a > $ lpre > _Queue name: ilaserit * > %UCX-F-LPD_BADPORT, Error getting a port& > -UCX-F-LPD_BADHOST, Unknown host !AS >t >pF > Any advice on what I'm doing wrong (or a pointer to docs) is greatly > appreciated! >o > -- > Scott Horn > Network Administratora > DLZ Corporationr > 614-888-0040 Ext. 370  > mailto:shorn@dlzcorp.com/ The vms 7.2 docs for tcpip/ucx are available ats( http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/#tcpip tryi3 $ ucx ping h042.office.company.com or 192.168.10.10o to see if they are alive then1 $ telnet h042.office.company.com or 192.168.10.10  to check their configuration2 my printcap file looks similar except for  rp=raw: Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:58:42 +1000t< From: George Constantinides <gconstantinides@mhl.nsw.gov.au> Subject: Mail Events... Message-ID: <3AC3BE22.7AF06B6D@mhl.nsw.gov.au>   Hello VMS gurus.  & My VMS system services is a bit rusty.@ I need to know when a particular user name receives mail. How do I capture events of this type?   -- Regards,   George Constantinidesa email:  GeorgeC@mhl.nsw.gov.au URL   http://www.mhl.nsw.gov.auM   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:48:33 GMTn2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Mail Events. 2 Message-ID: <lRPw6.327$fB6.10278@news.cpqcorp.net>  m In article <3AC3BE22.7AF06B6D@mhl.nsw.gov.au>, George Constantinides <gconstantinides@mhl.nsw.gov.au> writes:r  A :I need to know when a particular user name receives mail. How doa :I capture events of this type?      What are you up to?e  G   I can think of a couple of potential approaches (mostly involving use.J   of existing or newly-enabled security alarms and/or audits, and possiblyG   adding an ACL or two), but the details and background of the problem tC   here would be useful...   And SMTP, Mail-11, and/or on-node MAIL?     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:34:54 GMTu2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: Main production system crashede2 Message-ID: <yEPw6.323$fB6.10278@news.cpqcorp.net>  a In article <99v5qp$662$1@news2.ipartners.pl>, "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski@hotmail.com> writes:I7 :> Our main production system crashed this night (GMT).O! :I have also found the following:G :I1 :Reset Reason x00000000 Unrecognized Reset Reasonl  G   You'll want to get your hardware service organization to take a look  >   at the contents of the error log and at the hardware itself.  D   While it is certainly possible that this is OpenVMS at fault, I'd E   initially tend to look for a hardware problem -- I've seen various sC   error log entries for "Reset Reason x00000000 Unrecognized Reset  0   Reason" that traced back to hardware problems.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:54:11 -0600h% From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@isd.net>u+ Subject: Re: Main production system crashedl' Message-ID: <3AC3D933.49473D27@isd.net>    Tomasz Dryjanski wrote:  > B > Our main production system crashed this night (GMT). Fortunately
 > >>> init > >>> bg > was successful.l >  > These are details: > AlphaServer 8200 5/440. > VMS 7.2-1H1, all mandatory patches installed, > Uptime: 9 16:49:38 (last Time Stamp Entry)J > - and there are no traces of the event in the system, as if somebody hadK > pulled out the power cord. When I connected to the console, I noticed ther > console prompt.0 > K > Such problems started since we upgraded VMS from 7.1-1H1 to 7.2-1. But weg@ > haven't had so far a situation, when there is no trace at all.L > To solve those problems we upgraded to H1 and it worked OK for more than 9 > days - as I mentioned above. >  > Any help appreciated...  >  > T. D.   A I had a similar problem about a year ago on my company's DS20. No D errorlog or other log entries.  Turned out to be a failed CPU board.E Been up over a year since the problem was corrected by field service.  -- a Keith Brown  kbrown780@isd.nete   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:38:26 +0200 1 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski@hotmail.com>t+ Subject: Re: Main production system crashed . Message-ID: <9a19q9$17b0$1@news2.ipartners.pl>  < "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski@hotmail.com> wrote in message' news:99v54s$5ph$1@news2.ipartners.pl... 5 > Our main production system crashed this night (GMT)-   Many thanks for your output.8 As many of you suggested, I'll contact hardware service.   T. D.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:27:02 -0700D From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>.  Subject: Re: MicroVax II problem% Message-ID: <3AC105A6.1F3007@srv.net>w   Jeff Campbell wrote: >  > I > The chips to replace with sockets (and new parts 8-) are the uA9636 andLH > uA9639 ones. I don't recall offhand which is which but these parts areJ > RS232 transmitter and receiver bugs. DEC used them in a lot of products. > F > If you attempt to repair your boards be sure to 'dike' the chips outD > before trying to unsolder the 'legs'. The leads are much easier to- > remove after having been cut the chip body.   ? I pulled a 9636 from a vt320 board (wich blew it's flyback longoC ago), put it in the uVax (socketed), and now I can see output on mye	 terminal!s  E I still can't type on it (guess I need to replace the other chip too)c@ but it looks like it is half-repaired now! I just need to find a! 9639 somewhere in my junk pile...t   Thanks everyone  -- iE If they're not putting secret messages to me in their music, then whyh> do they keep putting my picture on the other side of the CD's?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:50:02 +0000r2 From: Jean Norton <donotreply@interbulletin.bogus>% Subject: Need SYBASE expertise on VMSa1 Message-ID: <3ABCEC5A.4E512A40@interbulletin.com>w   Anyone know a good SYBASE on OpenVMS expert to help me with a security audit?  We have the OpenVMS part taken care of, but I need someone that knows all the security loopholes in SYBASE to help me on a very short assignment.   Jean Nortons jean@staffing.comn Sysnet Staffing, Inc.e
 Austin, TX/ _______________________________________________e; Submitted via WebNewsReader of http://www.interbulletin.comt   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Mar 2001 09:11 CSTh' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)nY Subject: New qualifiers for some DCL commands (was: Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elemenc- Message-ID: <23MAR200109111843@gerg.tamu.edu>y  3 jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes...uB }Oh?  Delete offers the "necessary selection criteria"?  Let's sayB }I wanted to perform the very commonly requested deleting files in= }reverse order?  How do I do that with delete?  In Unix it's:o }  }	ls -r1 | xargs rme  > DELETE, PURGE, DIRECTORY, and probably some others could use a /REVERSE qualifier.p  : Even better might be a more comprehensive /SORT qualifier.  > With a /SORT qualifer you could have things along the lines of $ DIR/SORT=KEY=(SIZE,ASCEND) or  $ DIR/SORT=KEY=(CREATED,DESCEND) or $ DIR/SORT=SPEC=myspec.spc or, of course,6 $ DELETE/SORT=(KEY=(NAME,DESCEND),KEY=(TYPE,DESCEND),-      KEY=(VERSION,DESCEND)) *.*;*? (perhaps a key called "filespec" or something along those linesmC to get the full spec including name, type, and version in one key).   D After all, there are callable sorting routunes are there not? AddingD sort functionality should therefore, in theory, not be all that hardD (which is easy to say since I'm not the one who would be adding it).  > }Or, say I want to delete empty .tmp files, which is something }I've wanted to do.e }That's: } 8 }	ls -s1 *.tmp |  awk '/^ *0 / { print $2 };' | xargs rm } I }So, I must be missing the options on DEL that provides an way to do the K }above easily. }-Jordan Henderson  C One of the good things people mention about DCL is it's regularity.<A To help promote this, and because it would be useful, I'd like totA suggest that DELETE and PURGE and possibly some others could also B use the /SELECT= qualifier that was added to the DIRECTORY command- sometime around VMS V6.1. You could then do ae# $ DELETE/SELECT=SIZE=MAX=0 *.TMP;*.t   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 03:41:39 -0500s  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>Y Subject: Re: New qualifiers for some DCL commands (was: Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Els/ Message-ID: <1010324030923.41043B@Ives.egh.com>s  # On 23 Mar 2001, Carl Perkins wrote:D  5 > jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes... D > }Oh?  Delete offers the "necessary selection criteria"?  Let's sayD > }I wanted to perform the very commonly requested deleting files in? > }reverse order?  How do I do that with delete?  In Unix it's:. > }  > }	ls -r1 | xargs rm. > @ > DELETE, PURGE, DIRECTORY, and probably some others could use a > /REVERSE qualifier.V  < Not really.  The only reason any wants to delete or purge in> reverse order is performance.  I think it would be much better> to ask for improvements in directory functions.  We've already@ got a big (linear) boost in V7.2 due to the use of large buffers? in the directory squishing (and expansion?) when you delete allm? the files in a directory block (or create a new file that needsa to be listed in a full block?)  9 However, I think there is lots more room for improvement.s  B E.G.  Why is it necessary to compress out the empty blocks at all?> Couldn't a marker be placed in the empty block that says "this; block is empty, skip to next block"?  Directory compressioneI could then be initiated manually by doing a "$ convert/reclaim/directory" > or some other new command After you had deleted all the files.< Since this would only make one pass through the directory toB compress it instead of one pass each time a block in the directory9 was emptied, it should be enormously faster.  It could bea2 controlled by a "set directory" command if needed:? "set directory/reclaim=always" to retain the current behaviour,n; "set directory/reclaim=never" to require manual reclaiming, > "set directory/reclaim=nnn" to reclaim whenever nnn blocks are emptied.  4 The new behaviour would result in directories slowly< expanded over time.  Deletions would not cause it to shrink,= but file creations at the end of the directory would cause it = to expand.  Random sequences of creations and deletions would<= result in most new files going into holes (free space) in thel+ directory, so expansion would be very slow.q  ? Since there would tend to be lots of empty space in unreclaimed-> directories, file creations in them would seldom result in the4 entire directory having to be shuffled to make room.  @ This might improve performance enough to make Dave Mathog happy!  > Compressing the directories might have made sense when VMS ran= on RK07's and RPO6's, but with 18 & 36 GB disks, it no longer  seems worth it.   < > Even better might be a more comprehensive /SORT qualifier. > @ > With a /SORT qualifer you could have things along the lines of > $ DIR/SORT=KEY=(SIZE,ASCEND) > or" > $ DIR/SORT=KEY=(CREATED,DESCEND) > or > $ DIR/SORT=SPEC=myspec.spc > or, of course,8 > $ DELETE/SORT=(KEY=(NAME,DESCEND),KEY=(TYPE,DESCEND),-" >     KEY=(VERSION,DESCEND)) *.*;*A > (perhaps a key called "filespec" or something along those lines E > to get the full spec including name, type, and version in one key).   @ I like this proposal, mostly for directory, but it would also beD handy for any wild-card interactive file operation, where you wantedF to use /confirm, and then ctrl/Z after the last file you really wantedA to process.  For example if you wanted to delete some but not all E large .tmp files, you could delete/conf/sort=(size,descending) *.tmp,nB type "y" or "n" to delete the ones you wanted, then ctrl/z to skip) all the small ones you didn't care about.c  F > After all, there are callable sorting routunes are there not? AddingF > sort functionality should therefore, in theory, not be all that hardF > (which is easy to say since I'm not the one who would be adding it). > @ > }Or, say I want to delete empty .tmp files, which is something > }I've wanted to do.F
 > }That's: > } : > }	ls -s1 *.tmp |  awk '/^ *0 / { print $2 };' | xargs rm > } K > }So, I must be missing the options on DEL that provides an way to do the c > }above easily. > }-Jordan Henderson > E > One of the good things people mention about DCL is it's regularity.=C > To help promote this, and because it would be useful, I'd like togC > suggest that DELETE and PURGE and possibly some others could alsosD > use the /SELECT= qualifier that was added to the DIRECTORY command/ > sometime around VMS V6.1. You could then do a % > $ DELETE/SELECT=SIZE=MAX=0 *.TMP;*.   B I was going to suggest the same thing until I read forward and saw you had anticipated me.D  
 > --- Carl   -- B John Santos6 Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2001 22:01:22 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>Y Subject: Re: New qualifiers for some DCL commands (was: Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elo- Message-ID: <873dc3jmfh.fsf@prep.synonet.com>S  " John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:  D > E.G.  Why is it necessary to compress out the empty blocks at all?F > Couldn't a marker be placed in the empty block that says "this block  > is empty, skip to next block"?  E A word of 177777 as the first one of the block will do this. StandardDC RMS. I think the XQP does not do it this way for reasons of history?A and the like. Also, the compression will be automatic if you copy J the file in record mode. Empty space is dropped out, causing the ocasional+ 'where has part of my file gone...' here :)e   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:02:03 +0000u) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> Y Subject: Re: New qualifiers for some DCL commands (was: Re: Dumbing Down VMS with UNIX Elt, Message-ID: <3ABBE3FB.9403C071@infopuls.com>   Carl Perkins wrote:l > 5 > jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes...sD > }Oh?  Delete offers the "necessary selection criteria"?  Let's sayD > }I wanted to perform the very commonly requested deleting files in? > }reverse order?  How do I do that with delete?  In Unix it's:u > }: > }       ls -r1 | xargs rmo > @ > DELETE, PURGE, DIRECTORY, and probably some others could use a > /REVERSE qualifier.> > < > Even better might be a more comprehensive /SORT qualifier. > @ > With a /SORT qualifer you could have things along the lines of > $ DIR/SORT=KEY=(SIZE,ASCEND) > or" > $ DIR/SORT=KEY=(CREATED,DESCEND) > or > $ DIR/SORT=SPEC=myspec.spc > or, of course,8 > $ DELETE/SORT=(KEY=(NAME,DESCEND),KEY=(TYPE,DESCEND),-" >     KEY=(VERSION,DESCEND)) *.*;*A > (perhaps a key called "filespec" or something along those linesiE > to get the full spec including name, type, and version in one key).c > F > After all, there are callable sorting routunes are there not? AddingF > sort functionality should therefore, in theory, not be all that hardF > (which is easy to say since I'm not the one who would be adding it). > @ > }Or, say I want to delete empty .tmp files, which is something > }I've wanted to do.I
 > }That's: > }R@ > }       ls -s1 *.tmp |  awk '/^ *0 / { print $2 };' | xargs rm > }rJ > }So, I must be missing the options on DEL that provides an way to do the > }above easily. > }-Jordan Henderson > E > One of the good things people mention about DCL is it's regularity.eC > To help promote this, and because it would be useful, I'd like torC > suggest that DELETE and PURGE and possibly some others could also D > use the /SELECT= qualifier that was added to the DIRECTORY command/ > sometime around VMS V6.1. You could then do a % > $ DELETE/SELECT=SIZE=MAX=0 *.TMP;*.1 > 
 > --- Carl  @ Very good suggestions! Exactly what is in line with the VMS way.= Instead of postponing the sorting and selecting to other more = complicated commands it's done where it can be done best. The > mentioned commands all know exactly with which data they deal.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:09:06 GMTc4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net># Subject: Re: NSA and storage works? < Message-ID: <m49w6.11282$Wz.4353140@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messageB' news:0033000019836886000002L062*@MHS...   # The Puzzle Palace is back in print.   8 http://www.bestwebbuys.com/books/compare/isbn/0140067485   WWWebb  1 (And no, bestwebbuys isn't my site- it used to beC3  bestbookbuys.com- they appear to have diversified)   D And a fine read it is, too! A shame it hasn't been updated since theK original publication almost twenty years ago, but one can, umm, do a bit o'aB extrapolation to get an idea of the Agency's current capabilities.   OldCrowe   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:16:59 -0600<( From: "James Wiley" <Wiley@Tarleton.edu>" Subject: Polycenter Scheduler v2.1( Message-ID: <99r00g$4p9$1@news.tamu.edu>  L We are currently running Polycenter Scheduler v2.1.  Our VMS version is 7.1.K We want to upgrade to 7.2, but cannot as the Polycenter Scheduler SchedulerdL v2.1 won't run on VMS 7.2.  We are a University, and are able to use the 2.1K Scheduler under the CSLG program, but since the Polycenter products sold toPK CA, the newer versions are no longer on the CSLG.  CA wants too much $$ for< the new Scheduler.   Two questions:  K Has anyone been able to get the 2.1 scheduler to run under VMS 7.2?  If so,  how?  L Can anyone recommend a low cost alternative to the Polycenter (CA) Scheduler product?   Thanks  , James L. Wiley, Mgr. Client/Server Computing Information Resources- Tarleton State University, Wiley@Tarleton.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:49:49 +0000i% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>D, Subject: Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions8 Message-ID: <re6mbt8gfnj62v8tta7p3j2s4q2a6qdlnu@4ax.com>  A On 23 Mar 2001 03:14:35 GMT, JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David 
 Jones) wrote:g    K >This is reminiscent of the way DEC insisted for years that disk defraggersoF >weren't needed on VMS because most files are smaller than the clusterE >size and thus not fragmented.  I see plenty of applications that use K >fork without an exec (Apache being one example) and it is a real hindrancef0 >to a getting a clean port of these apps to VMS.  F And Tenex/TOPS-20 had the ability to do Unix style fork as well as VMSB style process creation as far back as 1969. Actually it's probablyF more true to say that Unix has the ability to do TOPS-20 style processF creation.  Another occasion where Cutler et al deliberately left theirB blinkers on. These features were not left out by accident. I don'tD suppose anyone has a copy of the TOPS-20 = > VMS migration documentsE which listed many of these "non-goals" as it called them. It would be-E amusing to see just how many of these might now be considered to have  been a mistake in hindsight.   >MG >The applications I see that do fork/exec almost always create pipes as K >a communication mechanism between the processes.  The current pipe supporthH >in the C runtime is inadequate and even more so in a fork/exec context. >r >e >l= >David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929h. >Ohio State University        |      Internet:M >140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.eduo; >Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.educ >o, >Disclaimer: Dogs can't tell it's not bacon.   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2001 20:38:35 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>, Subject: Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions- Message-ID: <87n1acpsms.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ! LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com writes:n  F > on a side note, I see the folks doing the docs have a sense of humor > about COE ...a   >  ...4 >   For example, to change the case of a file named  >     COEISABLAST.TXT, n! >    issue the following command:a  , >   $ RENAME COEISABLAST.TXT COEIsABlast.txt  B >   The RENAME command renames COEISABLAST.TXT to COEIsABlast.txt.  I Ah *UNLESS* there are changes to DCL, this will not work! DCL will upcasem the second file name :)d  ( The canonically correct command would be  K      $ RENAME COEISABLAST.TXT "COEOsASunSoakedPileOfPox.UnreadableOnVMSpdf"  <smilley to suit>v   -- $< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.n@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Mar 2001 06:56 CST:' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)C, Subject: Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions- Message-ID: <23MAR200106563676@gerg.tamu.edu>a  % Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes...AG }Did I understand right? Christof just asked for a Unix feature on VMS?S }  }Shane  D Not only did he ask for one, he asked for one of the stupidest ones.  D Case sensitivity is completely and utterly moronic (not only in fileF names, but in programming languages and every other place it happens).  C The COE thingy is, of course, requiring such a feature. Fortunatelya4 it will only happen if you deliberately activate it.  	 --- Carl d  E }Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> ont }03/22/2001 02:57:16 AM  }  }To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com }cc: } . }Subject:  Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions }  } , }Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: } B }> And I like to have the possibility of case sensitive file names? }> but the change is only half way. It only remembers the first?A }> writing wrt case. It doesn't allow to have two files named "a"0@ }> and "A". I would have liked another option to make it as some }> other OSs wrt case. } G }AFAIK, what you describe is ODS-5 extended file name parsing, which is  }case-I }preserving and case-blind. What COE gives you is real, stupid Unix/PosixV }case-K }sensitive file naming, i.e., "a" and "A" are different files. (This is oneB }ofo; }the few things MS's newer file systems got right, IMNSHO.)a } 	 }     Jann }  }  }  }  }    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2001 08:24:44 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)., Subject: Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions3 Message-ID: <NItGlIYp7dWo@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  ` In article <re6mbt8gfnj62v8tta7p3j2s4q2a6qdlnu@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: > H > And Tenex/TOPS-20 had the ability to do Unix style fork as well as VMSD > style process creation as far back as 1969. Actually it's probablyH > more true to say that Unix has the ability to do TOPS-20 style process > creation.   F IMHO that fork style is just typical of the software technology of theF day.  UNIX was being written, new OS for PDP-10 was being written, ...  B They also share 2 modes, a then somewhat new idea for implementingH timesharing, and they share byte stream files.  I'm sure there are other8 simmilarities between these late 60's software products.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupeE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying,   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2001 08:34:02 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o, Subject: Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions3 Message-ID: <Y9zK0xC2ECcZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  \ In article <87n1acpsms.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: > - >>   $ RENAME COEISABLAST.TXT COEIsABlast.txt  > C >>   The RENAME command renames COEISABLAST.TXT to COEIsABlast.txt.t > K > Ah *UNLESS* there are changes to DCL, this will not work! DCL will upcase  > the second file name :)o >   I You're out of date.  That capability was added to DCL when ODS-5 shipped,wG I use it all the time.  Makes passing arguments to C/C++/Java main muchs% easier, too (like the Java compiler).=  7 Naturally it's off by default for upward compatability.e  E The big restriction is there must be no other versions of the file by*C the new name, new versions get the same case as existing versions.  B (Purge to 1 version before using rename stricktly to change case).   $show process/parse_stylec  ... Parse Style: Extendedn   $create A.AE asde ^Z $create a.a4 asdd ^Z $dir a.a   Directory USER1:[KOEHLER]a   A.A;2               A.A;1n   $rename a.a a.ao $dir a.a   Directory USER1:[KOEHLER]e   A.A;2               A.A;1c  
 $purge a.a $rename a.a a.aI $dir a.a   Directory USER1:[KOEHLER]q   a.a;1l  	 $type a.an asdd  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationm= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupeE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingn   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:03:45 GMTy2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions0 Message-ID: <BtKu6.95$fB6.3830@news.cpqcorp.net>  \ In article <87n1acpsms.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:" :LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com writes:- :>   $ RENAME COEISABLAST.TXT COEIsABlast.txt  : C :>   The RENAME command renames COEISABLAST.TXT to COEIsABlast.txt.m :eJ :Ah *UNLESS* there are changes to DCL, this will not work! DCL will upcase :the second file name :)     SETo  	   PROCESSn       /PARSE_STYLE              /PARSE_STYLE=(keyword)  ?        Allows a user to indicate how commands are to be parsed.   F        Setting a particular parse style tells DCL how it should handleG        command syntax. User programs can also examine the state of thish9        setting if they need to use different parse rules.s  @        The valid keywords for this qualifier are TRADITIONAL andD        EXTENDED. These keywords are mutually exclusive and cannot be        negated.i  E        If the /PARSE_STYLE qualifier is not specified, the default ist        the TRADITIONAL format.          Keyword     Explanation  G        TRADITIONAL Indicates that commands should be examined using thesF        (default)   former (prior to Version 7.2) rules for DCL syntax.E        EXTENDED    Indicates that commands should be examined using at@        (Alpha      syntax that allows ODS-5 file specifications.        only)  D        The main differences for DCL when EXTENDED parse rules are in        effect are:  G        o  Arguments to foreign commands are case preserved. You can gettE           the command string by calling LIB$GET_FOREIGN. Note that atoE           this time, C/C++ programs which use the argc/argv mechanismr5           still have unquoted arguments in lowercase.   ?        o  Some characters that were previously treated as tokeneB           delimiters are no longer delimiters. The pound sign (#),H           circumflex (^), and question mark (?) fall into this category.  G        o  A circumflex (^) is an escape character, which can be used touF           indicate that the next character in the command string is toG           be treated as if it were quoted, thereby losing its syntacticn           significance.o  :        EXTENDED parsing also modifies DCL's rules for fileD        specifications, i.e., any item with a $FILE type in a Command'        Definition Language (.CLD) file:i  7        o  File specifications will not be in uppercase.t  B        o  Any number of commas (,) may be placed between directory!           delimiters ([] and <>).   @        o  Directory file ID's (DIDs) can be included in the file           specification.  F        o  Any number of periods (.) or semi-colons (;) may be included$           in the file specification.  E        Refer to the OpenVMS Guide to Extended File Specifications fora        more information.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:20:16 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> , Subject: Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions, Message-ID: <3ABBDA30.110E9DAF@infopuls.com>   Dave Weatherall wrote: > C > On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:00:18, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>q > wrote: > & > > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > > >aL > > > Did I understand right? Christof just asked for a Unix feature on VMS? > > >  > > > Shanee > > >sJ > > > Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> on > > > 03/22/2001 02:57:16 AM > > >i! > > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com5	 > > > cc:- > > >-3 > > > Subject:  Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions  > > >a1 > > > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:N > > >iG > > > > And I like to have the possibility of case sensitive file namessD > > > > but the change is only half way. It only remembers the firstF > > > > writing wrt case. It doesn't allow to have two files named "a"E > > > > and "A". I would have liked another option to make it as some" > > > > other OSs wrt case.t > > >bL > > > AFAIK, what you describe is ODS-5 extended file name parsing, which is > > > case-iN > > > preserving and case-blind. What COE gives you is real, stupid Unix/Posix > > > case-oP > > > sensitive file naming, i.e., "a" and "A" are different files. (This is one > > > of@ > > > the few things MS's newer file systems got right, IMNSHO.) > > >a > > >      Jan > > B > > Not specifically. I only want to have the option to be able toB > > exactly use the names as they are wrt case and be different if@ > > only one character is different. That UNIX crap may have the% > > same feature is of no importance.- > >aC > > But why "real, stupid" ("Unix/Posix case-sensitive file name")?o> > > Is it stupid to make a difference between "MAC" and "Mac"? > E > Chris it does sound a little incongruous for someone who dislikes CpG > and Unix to imply that they consider case sensitivity in names (ala Cn > and Unix) a 'good' thing :-) > B > I don't think it a good thing but then again I do Fortran  for a	 > living.e > F > Which prompts the thought, if Unix commands are terse to save typingE > why is it that you  _need_  two fingers to type commands? (answer - F > you do only need one - you use the Caps Lock and not Shift Lock...). >  > Cheers - Dave.  > Dislike is a very friendly word and a strong understatement to say the least.; Again: I like case sensitivity in filenames sometimes but IO@ don't like all sorts of characters in filenames. But what I like8 is not important because only the case sensitivity has a? technical background. E.g. there are programming languages thatR; take Mac and MAC as beeing different. To have the option too. adjust this per directory may be very usefull.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:18:06 +0000a) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> , Subject: Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions, Message-ID: <3ABBE7BE.FA3BF31E@infopuls.com>   Carl Perkins wrote:o > ' > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes...,I > }Did I understand right? Christof just asked for a Unix feature on VMS?t > }I > }Shane > F > Not only did he ask for one, he asked for one of the stupidest ones. > F > Case sensitivity is completely and utterly moronic (not only in fileH > names, but in programming languages and every other place it happens). > E > The COE thingy is, of course, requiring such a feature. Fortunately 6 > it will only happen if you deliberately activate it. > 
 > --- Carl >   ' Yes it have to be activated explicitly.h> But why is it stupid to make a difference between Mac and MAC?? Especially in a programming language in which we try to express=; our algorithmical thoughts, objects a.s.o.. If we have this!> disctinction in our natural scripture why not carrying forward> to our PLs and filesystems? I would rather restrict the use of> special characters which are used in natural language texts to< separate words/sentences or to express certain grammatically" important meanings like questions.   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Mar 2001 07:03 CSTn' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)s, Subject: Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions- Message-ID: <24MAR200107031416@gerg.tamu.edu>a  - Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes...6 }Carl Perkins wrote: }> h( }> Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes...J }> }Did I understand right? Christof just asked for a Unix feature on VMS? }> }	 }> }Shanem }> eG }> Not only did he ask for one, he asked for one of the stupidest ones.  }>  G }> Case sensitivity is completely and utterly moronic (not only in filepI }> names, but in programming languages and every other place it happens).l }>  F }> The COE thingy is, of course, requiring such a feature. Fortunately7 }> it will only happen if you deliberately activate it.6 }> 0 }> --- CarlJ }> W } ( }Yes it have to be activated explicitly.? }But why is it stupid to make a difference between Mac and MAC?a  9 Because they are not different. They are the same. To seei5 this, try reading your sentence above out loud. Woulde5 someone listening to you read it be able to tell that 1 one was "Mac" and the other "MAC"? Unless you say2< "capital-m lowercase-a lowercase-c" and "capital-m capital-a9 capital-c" when you get to them (which is rediculous, but > necessary if you want case sensitivity) instead of just saying; "mac" then they will not be able to tell the difference. Ifo: you can't tell the difference then they are not different.@ If you have to jump through moronic hoops to make them different& them making them different is moronic.  @ }Especially in a programming language in which we try to express< }our algorithmical thoughts, objects a.s.o.. If we have this? }disctinction in our natural scripture why not carrying forwardg  ; No "we" don't. They are the same. They are both "mac". If I-< use a variable or function called "mac", then it is "mac" noD matter how you capitalize it. Is the word "If" (as used at the startA of your last sentence above) a different word that the word "if"?  Of course not. "If" is "if".  A It's not as if there is a shortage of characters. If you want two B things called "mac" then make them "mac1" and "mac2", an array, orB some other such thing. Since they obviously are not the same thingB you should certainly be able to come up with better names for themC that are more descriptive of what they are used for so you can tellc which one is which.a  > Trying to explain to someone how your program works if you use? the same word with different cases is an exercise in stupidity.s; "Then you multiply Mac by FOO." "But mac is a function thatT< doesn't return a value." "Not that MAC, the other Mac." It's@ like the old "who's on first" routine, only it makes less sense.  ? }to our PLs and filesystems? I would rather restrict the use of ? }special characters which are used in natural language texts toh= }separate words/sentences or to express certain grammaticallye# }important meanings like questions.a  A Case sensitivity is one of the reasons that programs written in CcC are prone to errors. One normally unimportant error and the programoF is wrong. The person who invented case sensitive programming languages/ should be beaten with very large blunt objects.i  ? Case sensitivity in filesystems (which, in Unixoid systems also ? leads directly to case sensitivity in commands) is also stupid. F Why should either the computer or I care if I type in "print foo.txt",A "Print Foo.Txt", "PRINT foo.TXT", or any of the other of the 2^11 C possible variations? In all of these cases I just want to print theo text file called foo.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 06:19:24 -0800s From: <tsm@palindrome.org>1 Subject: Problem Booting Installed VMS 7.2 System 4 Message-ID: <7%1v6.677$ya4.355429@nntp2.onemain.com>  H A co-worker of mine gave me a DEC 3000-300XL system. It had DIGITAL UnixJ installed on it, and I installed VMS over it. I have the Hobbyist Alpha CDL (VMS version 7.2), and installed it from an RRD42. The install process seemsK to go OK, but when I try to boot the hard drive which I installed VMS on, I  get the following error:  F %APB-F-BADSYSROOT, System root [SYSA.] does not exist, check bootflags  J I tried installing three different times in total. Twice with the standardF RZ25L disk, and one with a generic 1GB disk. (I thought maybe it was aC problem with the disk). In all cases, I get the exact same problem.   K I have the newest console revision (V7.0) and PAL code (V5.56) installed on . the system. Everything seems to be up to date.  J Any clues on this one? I searched the web & Usenet for that error message,I and got only one hit - somebody who was trying to boot a non-bootable CD.u2 How could that error apply to a hard drive bootup?   Thanks,t   Terry Murphy   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:10:47 GMT D From: "Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl)" <kris.clippeleyr@pandora.be>5 Subject: Re: Problem Booting Installed VMS 7.2 System < Message-ID: <XN2v6.31436$tk.3162000@afrodite.telenet-ops.be>   Hi,.  $ Check the setting on the >>> prompt.I BOOT_FLAGS should read 0,0, and not A (as is the case when booting U**x).c Also, check OS_TYPE.  
 Good luck,     -- Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl)h& VMS Wizard in training, Guru wanna be.% <tsm@palindrome.org> wrote in messagem. news:7%1v6.677$ya4.355429@nntp2.onemain.com...J > A co-worker of mine gave me a DEC 3000-300XL system. It had DIGITAL UnixL > installed on it, and I installed VMS over it. I have the Hobbyist Alpha CDH > (VMS version 7.2), and installed it from an RRD42. The install process seems K > to go OK, but when I try to boot the hard drive which I installed VMS on,t I  > get the following error: >sH > %APB-F-BADSYSROOT, System root [SYSA.] does not exist, check bootflags >,L > I tried installing three different times in total. Twice with the standardH > RZ25L disk, and one with a generic 1GB disk. (I thought maybe it was aE > problem with the disk). In all cases, I get the exact same problem.t > J > I have the newest console revision (V7.0) and PAL code (V5.56) installed on0 > the system. Everything seems to be up to date. > L > Any clues on this one? I searched the web & Usenet for that error message,K > and got only one hit - somebody who was trying to boot a non-bootable CD.<4 > How could that error apply to a hard drive bootup? >a	 > Thanks,i >e > Terry Murphy >n >e >/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:45:05 -0500s, From: "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>5 Subject: Re: Problem Booting Installed VMS 7.2 Systemt/ Message-ID: <tbpjkf6k4623a0@news.supernews.com>t   >>> set boot_osflags 0,0 >>> set os_type OpenVMS *g  L *  -this one ain't necessary but will set up the SRM disk naming conventions	 correctlys  
 That'll do ita   Island Computers US Corporationn 2700 Gregory Streetd Savannah GA 31404r Tel: 912 447 6622e Fax:912 201 0096 sales@islandco.com% <tsm@palindrome.org> wrote in message . news:7%1v6.677$ya4.355429@nntp2.onemain.com...J | A co-worker of mine gave me a DEC 3000-300XL system. It had DIGITAL UnixL | installed on it, and I installed VMS over it. I have the Hobbyist Alpha CDH | (VMS version 7.2), and installed it from an RRD42. The install process seems-K | to go OK, but when I try to boot the hard drive which I installed VMS on,o Is | get the following error: |cH | %APB-F-BADSYSROOT, System root [SYSA.] does not exist, check bootflags |mL | I tried installing three different times in total. Twice with the standardH | RZ25L disk, and one with a generic 1GB disk. (I thought maybe it was aE | problem with the disk). In all cases, I get the exact same problem.s |aJ | I have the newest console revision (V7.0) and PAL code (V5.56) installed on0 | the system. Everything seems to be up to date. |oL | Any clues on this one? I searched the web & Usenet for that error message,K | and got only one hit - somebody who was trying to boot a non-bootable CD.l4 | How could that error apply to a hard drive bootup? | 	 | Thanks,c |a | Terry Murphy |i |e |i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:15:05 -0800  From: <tsm@palindrome.org>5 Subject: Re: Problem Booting Installed VMS 7.2 Systemg5 Message-ID: <ps5v6.740$WM4.1228561@nntp1.onemain.com>s  J Thank you, sir! This did the trick. Kind of surprising that the answer forH this wasn't on the web or Deja any where (now it is :-). I guess I'm the  only one going from Unix to VMS!   -- Terry    G "Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl)" <kris.clippeleyr@pandora.be> wrote in > message news:XN2v6.31436$tk.3162000@afrodite.telenet-ops.be... > Hi,s > & > Check the setting on the >>> prompt.K > BOOT_FLAGS should read 0,0, and not A (as is the case when booting U**x).S > Also, check OS_TYPE. >G > Good luck, >r >  > --! > Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl) ( > VMS Wizard in training, Guru wanna be.' > <tsm@palindrome.org> wrote in message-0 > news:7%1v6.677$ya4.355429@nntp2.onemain.com...L > > A co-worker of mine gave me a DEC 3000-300XL system. It had DIGITAL UnixK > > installed on it, and I installed VMS over it. I have the Hobbyist Alpha  CDJ > > (VMS version 7.2), and installed it from an RRD42. The install process > seemseI > > to go OK, but when I try to boot the hard drive which I installed VMSA on,. > I  > > get the following error: > > J > > %APB-F-BADSYSROOT, System root [SYSA.] does not exist, check bootflags > >tE > > I tried installing three different times in total. Twice with the  standardJ > > RZ25L disk, and one with a generic 1GB disk. (I thought maybe it was aG > > problem with the disk). In all cases, I get the exact same problem.r > >aL > > I have the newest console revision (V7.0) and PAL code (V5.56) installed > on2 > > the system. Everything seems to be up to date. > >yE > > Any clues on this one? I searched the web & Usenet for that errorh message,I > > and got only one hit - somebody who was trying to boot a non-bootablei CD.d6 > > How could that error apply to a hard drive bootup? > >a > > Thanks,  > >f > > Terry Murphy > >  > >t > >A >I >L   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2001 02:03:35 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>5 Subject: Re: Problem Booting Installed VMS 7.2 Systeml- Message-ID: <87hf0jhwnc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>s  F "Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl)" <kris.clippeleyr@pandora.be> writes:  C > Check the setting on the >>> prompt.  BOOT_FLAGS should read 0,0,fE > and not A (as is the case when booting U**x).  Also, check OS_TYPE.   F DU used the BOOT_FLAGS value of 'A' to mean autostart and go to multi- user.   = For VMS your value should be of the form <value of the system D root>,osbootflag. The system root value is what is after the [SYS inD the system specific directory. EG [SYS0] is 0, [SYS4] is 4 etc.  theD second one to remember is the value 1. This tells the system to stopB before strating to setup and load VMS so you can change the system parameters.   B You will also need to reset the date and time when you change back> and forth, DU and VMS use different formats in the CMOS clock.   -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.i@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:23:54 -0500(2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)5 Subject: Re: Problem Booting Installed VMS 7.2 System(L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2403011423550001@user-2ivebj5.dialup.mindspring.com>  > In article <tbpjkf6k4623a0@news.supernews.com>, "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote:   > >>> set boot_osflags 0,0 > >>> set os_type OpenVMS *d  I I don't think the DEC 3000 console has the OS_TYPE environment variable.    It seems to work fine without it   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com-   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 03:54:10 GMTi3 From: "David M. Heller" <dheller1@rochester.rr.com>p3 Subject: Problem installing OpenVMS 7.2 on a Multial0 Message-ID: <3ABD6C80.22D11878@rochester.rr.com>   Hi All,a  E Hoping someone can help, Newbie to VMS. When booting CD by typing the-G following >>>boot -flags 0,0 dka400 It goes as far as where the consoleaD echos "jumping to bootstrap code" And then it just stops and goes noC further. The firmware is version BL3 X3.5-72 Nov 30 1994. Please cct$ replies to dheller1@rochester.rr.com   Thanks in advances   -- u4 David Heller                                         dheller1@rochester.rr.com  http://www.mbcrep.com/?47353  ) http://teraformahealth.com/tfh/57601.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 04:40:40 +0200u2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)+ Subject: Re: Problems with CSWS and CGI-BIN ; Message-ID: <3ac3f228.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>m   j.t.horn@usa.net wrote:iD > We are trying to setup an cgi script in CSWS and having a problem. >aK > When trying the following code (http://nell.shsu.edu/cgi-bin/test.cgi) itn+ > does the first part. I got this code from 6 > http://stein.cshl.org/WWW/software/CGI/cgi_docs.html  > As always when Apache is involved: What does the errorlog say?   > RUN PERL_ROOT:[000000]PERL > use CGI qw(:standard); > print header;o  L You saved this as a .COM file, right? Then the "RUN" line should have a "$".I With a different configuration, you could omit that line and use the file 0 extension .PL or .CGI to indicate a perl script.  E Also, if mod_perl is involved, there are some subtle issues involvingMG global variables. See somewhere on http://www.apache.org/ (sorry, don't D have the exact URL at hand). I'd use the object oriented approach to: CGI.pm using a lexical CGI object ("my $q = new CGI ();").   cu,    Martin -- aJ One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:51:05 +0100e- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>' Subject: Re: Reading UDF CDs) Message-ID: <3AC0C4F9.16DA009C@bbc.co.uk>a  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:   >hK > To the contrary.  I typically burn any first CD on a CD-RW and then check_J > it out by mounting it on VMS.  If all goes well, I then burn CD-R media.1 > Saves me from making unnecessary beer coasters.s >D  N ah, then again I can burn CDR's in approx 6 minutes (16 times) whereas erasing9 and burning a CDRW at 4 times takes considereably longer.   K Disclaimer, I am not burning on VMS and I do have a considereable number oftH CDR's that serve no purpose except as beermats. However, those CDR's are cheap.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of@ MedAS or the BBC.j   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:52:14 +0100f- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>. Subject: Re: Reading UDF CDs) Message-ID: <3AC0C53E.926C4BBF@bbc.co.uk>t   Jim Agnew wrote:  X > It's a shame those beer coasters don't fly well...  the rims need to be heavier... ;-D  \ Did you try blu-tacking a couple together. I wouldn't call it flying but they do go further.5 But watch out, it could be construed tro be a weapon.    :-)e --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofw MedAS or the BBC.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:15:46 -0500h* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> Subject: Re: Reading UDF CDs9 Message-ID: <oq7w6.104115$lj4.2989053@news6.giganews.com>s  : "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote in message# news:3AC0C4F9.16DA009C@bbc.co.uk...eC > Disclaimer, I am not burning on VMS and I do have a considereable 	 number ofeF > CDR's that serve no purpose except as beermats. However, those CDR's are  > cheap.  C One of the notable "benefits" of Compaq's OpenVMS/ASE certification  programiE is a regular & plentiful supply of CD's from Compaq of assorted itemssE (diagnostic, etc.) for their entire line of Intel based PC's. (UnlessF I'mh@ getting them for a completely different reason that escapes me.)   -Andy-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:02:18 GMTf= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)  Subject: Re: Reading UDF CDs0 Message-ID: <009F9A68.25410442@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Y In article <3AC0C4F9.16DA009C@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:c >s >r' >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:i >i >>L >> To the contrary.  I typically burn any first CD on a CD-RW and then checkK >> it out by mounting it on VMS.  If all goes well, I then burn CD-R media.r2 >> Saves me from making unnecessary beer coasters. >> >tO >ah, then again I can burn CDR's in approx 6 minutes (16 times) whereas erasingl: >and burning a CDRW at 4 times takes considereably longer.  " A fast erase is all that's needed.  9 The point was that you can burn and read CD-RWs on VMS.  l     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMu            nO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.f   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:19:18 GMT + From: rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan)m Subject: Re: Reading UDF CDs4 Message-ID: <Gl8w6.3955$JN5.104943@news.goodnet.com>  I > My guess is that the problem is due to it is a CD-RW (and not a CD-R) !c  H I hae an RRD40 at work; it cannot read CD-R or CD-RW of any kind (thoughI it came close with a TDK CD-R a couple times).  RRD43 and RRD45 both readIF CD-R OK, but I have had sporadic problems reading CD-RWs on the RRD45,H created on my own Yamaha 6416 drive and several different units at work.) The RRD43 is very unreliable with CD-RWs.t  G If you have a CD lens cleaner, try cleaning your RRD45, else see if youhE have something newer you can try; RRD45s are 4x drives and 1994-1995 h	 vintage. n   Rich Jordanr rjordan@mcs.netr   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:14:42 +0100n- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>m Subject: Re: Reading UDF CDs1 Message-ID: <3AC0CA82.129E1DF6@BlueBubble.UK.Com>    Jack Trachtman wrote:x > G > One of our local government departments, in their strange wisdom, haseH > shipped me a CD whose directory is in UDF (Universal Directory Format)H > format.  The reason I know this is because when I mounted it on my PC,I > Windows brought up a requestor to install the Adaptec UDF driver (whiche > I did, and it works).i > I > On VMS though, I can't even mount the disk foreign!  I get a "medium issF > offline" msg.  (This was on an RRD40 and an RRD45.  Maybe a newer or; > different drive is needed? They used Memorex CD-RW media)a > 2 > 1) How can I mount this disk so VMS can read it? > G > 2) If VMS doesn't understand UDF, how can I mount the CD "foreign" sor$ > that I can write a pgm to read it?  G If you can't even mount the CD /foreign, then perhaps it's in 2048-bytebH sector mode ?  VMS (without some Glenn-hacked-driver) only wants to deal with 512-byte sector CDs.   	 Roy Omondi Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:07:26 GMTi= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)t Subject: Re: Reading UDF CDs0 Message-ID: <009F9A79.A0312C21@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <3AC0CA82.129E1DF6@BlueBubble.UK.Com>, Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> writes:1 >Jack Trachtman wrote: >> pH >> One of our local government departments, in their strange wisdom, hasI >> shipped me a CD whose directory is in UDF (Universal Directory Format)mI >> format.  The reason I know this is because when I mounted it on my PC,aJ >> Windows brought up a requestor to install the Adaptec UDF driver (which >> I did, and it works). >> aJ >> On VMS though, I can't even mount the disk foreign!  I get a "medium isG >> offline" msg.  (This was on an RRD40 and an RRD45.  Maybe a newer or < >> different drive is needed? They used Memorex CD-RW media) >> t3 >> 1) How can I mount this disk so VMS can read it?d >> 5H >> 2) If VMS doesn't understand UDF, how can I mount the CD "foreign" so% >> that I can write a pgm to read it?h >xH >If you can't even mount the CD /foreign, then perhaps it's in 2048-byteI >sector mode ?  VMS (without some Glenn-hacked-driver) only wants to deal  >with 512-byte sector CDs. >e
 >Roy Omond >Blue Bubble Ltd.o  J Not true.  They're all 2048 sectors.  I'd bet that the problem is that theI CD-RW simply can't be read by the CDrom drive model on his machine.  I've J been able to read Ricoh CD-RWs on an RRD45 but not as much luck with otherI CD-RW brands.  I've been able to read any CD-RW media I've been handed ona a RRD46.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM@            nO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.d   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Mar 2001 20:11:49 GMT* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)/ Subject: Re: Release notes for TCPIP AXP V5.0A?w) Message-ID: <9a04u5$7ka$1@hecate.umd.edu>s  G Thanks for the release notes, folks, I have what I need.  (You can stop  sending them to me :-)   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.eduS   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:42:47 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)8 Subject: RE: SDL Structure/Interface Definition Language2 Message-ID: <XLPw6.325$fB6.10278@news.cpqcorp.net>  ] In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEKKCEAA.tom@kednos.com>, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes:hJ :I looked a bit more at the sources,  there is a reference to cli$present,. :but I can't locate it on any of my systems.    I   cli$present is a standard part of OpenVMS, and has been part of OpenVMS7H   for many years.  The documentation is included in the OpenVMS Utility J   Routines Reference Manual, a manual that is a catch-all for the run-timeJ   library routines (APIs) that are too small to warrant their own manuals.  9 :Also, I note that there are no build procedures with thed= :sources, surely this was an oversight on the part of Compaq.   J   That was a deliberate decision on my part, because the build procedures B   used for SDL are very specific to the OpenVMS build environment.  E   I have an updated version of SDL shipping on the Freeware V5.0 kit.s  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 04:00:56 GMT.$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>7 Subject: Re: Senior OpenVMS systems manager - SINGAPOREi) Message-ID: <3AC4052F.2DF58935@wi.rr.com>H  I *I* would like to read here:  OpenVMS System Manager - Las Vegas, Nevada.s  
 -Scott :^)  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  J > I would like to read here:   OpenVMS System Manager  - Barcelona    :-)) >B	 > RegardsO >S > FC >tL > Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) em 29/03/2001 09:44:13 >tG > Favor responder a Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)n >c >       Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comw >a9 > Assunto: Re: Senior OpenVMS systems manager - SINGAPOREa >pJ > In article <E_Tt6.80516$lj4.2183917@news6.giganews.com>, "William Hymen"& > <t18_pilot@hotmail.spam.com> writes:6 > > I really get a kick out of these ads. Is there anyH > > job out there for someone less than a " Senior System Administrator"/ > > Do "seniors" just ripen and fall off trees?l > >l< > > Give me a break, spend a few bucks on training on a less6 > > senior guy; you will get your money back 100 times > > in dedication. >aH > Perhaps they already have plenty of Juniors and want a Senior to roundE > out the team.  Internal training does not bring you experience fromW > other sites.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:16:37 GMTt= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)oB Subject: Source listing do NOT coincide with the operating system.0 Message-ID: <009F972C.5602D25E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  / I've already posed this same question to CSC...2  H I installed a ZLXp-L2 video card which has been sitting on the shelf andH booted V7.2-1 (a virgin install too).  VMS bugchecks with a BUG$_DECWIN-G DOWS bugcheck.  So, I started looking into the crash.  The crash was in H SYS$GUBDRIVER so I pulled up the source listings and started looking.  IG found discrepancies between the code and the source listings.  Strange,yI thought I.  So, I looked at the date on the .EXE -- 7-APR-1999.  The date3I on the .LIS and .MAP files is 29-MAY-1999.  Excuse me?  More than a montho and a half time difference???   G I tend to NOT install patches because I don't have listings which coin-pE cide with the patched images but now I'm finding that even the virginhH O/S code does not coincide with the listings.  Can somebody in engineer- ing explain this mess?   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them..   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:29:46 GMTe= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) F Subject: Re: Source listing do NOT coincide with the operating system.0 Message-ID: <009F972E.2C9EAF42@SendSpamHere.ORG>  p In article <009F972C.5602D25E@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:0 >I've already posed this same question to CSC... >hI >I installed a ZLXp-L2 video card which has been sitting on the shelf and I >booted V7.2-1 (a virgin install too).  VMS bugchecks with a BUG$_DECWIN- H >DOWS bugcheck.  So, I started looking into the crash.  The crash was inI >SYS$GUBDRIVER so I pulled up the source listings and started looking.  IhH >found discrepancies between the code and the source listings.  Strange,J >thought I.  So, I looked at the date on the .EXE -- 7-APR-1999.  The dateJ >on the .LIS and .MAP files is 29-MAY-1999.  Excuse me?  More than a month >and a half time difference???   >TH >I tend to NOT install patches because I don't have listings which coin-F >cide with the patched images but now I'm finding that even the virginI >O/S code does not coincide with the listings.  Can somebody in engineer-i >ing explain this mess?[ >4 >--4P >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >           P >city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    E FYI, WIS came back and told me a cannot log a service request.  GuessM* I'll just have to hope for an answer here.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM1             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:39:51 +0000-+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>3F Subject: Re: Source listing do NOT coincide with the operating system.' Message-ID: <3ABBC2A7.C09AF636@iee.org>s  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:K > thought I.  So, I looked at the date on the .EXE -- 7-APR-1999.  The dateuK > on the .LIS and .MAP files is 29-MAY-1999.  Excuse me?  More than a montht > and a half time difference???p  , Obviously built on an Alpha --- nothing else/ could produce a .EXE so quickly that it travelst *back* in time :-)  3 Seriously I have no idea what actually happened ...-2 it looks like someone manually "rolled back" to an earlier image.    . What do you get for date and id from ANA/IMAGE, and how does that correspond to what you see in the .MAP file?e   Antonio3   -- .   ---------------r- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgN   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:14:46 GMT0, From: Dave Harrold <DRHarrold@earthlink.net>& Subject: Re: speeding up shadow merges8 Message-ID: <fap1ctor4ee4oph3lrnbf35a9p86lsscth@4ax.com>   Hi Mike,  @ On 27 Mar 2001 15:51:24 GMT, mike.price@nospam@littlewoods.co.uk wrote:  L >I have always had problems with shadow merges taking forever and tending toG >slow the system down while they run, especially on our overloaded DSSIe >busses.   Yep, merges stink....-   >-" >I know about the logicals such as& >SHAD$MERGE_DELAY_FACTOR_DSA5" = "100" >aL >I was wondering whether anyone has details of how much these logicals speedN >things up and speed up the merge. It is difficult for me to test this sort ofL >thing, as we only have shadowing on critical production systems rather than >test systems. > I >I assume from the documentation I have seen, that the default is 200 andfL >reducing this should speed up the merge at the expense of putting more loadC >on the IO system and therefore slowing down the rest of the systemoN >Is this correct - 2 of us were reading the doc. and we were not totally clear7 >on the exact meaning (maybe we were having a bad day?)"  A You have this backwards.  The default is 200.  If you increase itm? (max. of 1000), more of your I/O will be dedicated to the merge - operation and less to your application I/O.  ,  B I asked this question a few months ago and the advise I got was toC basically set it to 1000 to get the merge done as fast as possible.a5 Anything else just prolongs the agony for your users.i  E Search back through deja/google and you'll find the explanation given E to me.  I think I saved it, and I'll forward it to you via email if Im can locate it.   >e
 >as always >o >Thanks in advance >  >Mike Pricen >h >a   Hope that helps.   Dave Harrold    V ======================================================================================V Dave Harrold                                          E-Mail: David_Harrold@Aurora.orgL Sr. Software Systems Engineer                         Phone : (414) 647-6204L Aurora Health Care                                    FAX   : (414) 647-4999I 3031 W. Montana Street                                Milwaukee, WI 53234o  X "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to/ underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."n   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:32:34 GMTn7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)c& Subject: Re: speeding up shadow merges& Message-ID: <GAvnyA.LI1@world.std.com>  . Dave Harrold <DRHarrold@earthlink.net> writes:  C >I asked this question a few months ago and the advise I got was toRD >basically set it to 1000 to get the merge done as fast as possible.6 >Anything else just prolongs the agony for your users.  F That is pretty much correct.  The performance penalty during merges isF mostly due to the type of I/Os done on unmerged sections of disks, notG the I/O from the merge itself.  If you want to see this, disable merges.G entirely, force a merge and do heavy I/O on a merge-required shadowset.t  H Quite often it's best to get the merges over with as quickly as possibleE (up SHADOW_MAX_COPY) in order to get most of the I/Os below the mergee fence as soon as possible.  H Best option is to use HSJ disks.  Minimerges take seconds, not hours, toE complete.  I'm surprised that the orininal poster's DSSI disks didn'tsC do minimerges.  Was that set mounted on only one node?  Is the DSSI.D firmware up to date?  DUDRIVER disables minimerge on some out-of-rev DSSI disks.    -Mikee   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:56:30 GMT-# From: ualski <ualski@earthlink.net>1% Subject: Re: Spice for OpenVMS Alpha?<- Message-ID: <3AC3F5D6.51676B41@earthlink.net>C  D If you have FORTRAN on your Alpha, then you can compile it yourself.     see   F http://www.decus.org/encompass/libcatalog/description_html/v00216.html   and/or  F http://www.decus.org/encompass/libcatalog/description_html/v00006.html  C DECUS says they're for VAX/VMS but I remember just fortran the lastC$ time I compiled it, a few years ago.     -- Aaron Sliwinski   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:16:12 -0800f! From: Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com>s% Subject: Re: Spice for OpenVMS Alpha?i+ Message-ID: <3AC424AC.2477BB16@tmisnet.com>n   Thanks  
 ualski wrote:f  F > If you have FORTRAN on your Alpha, then you can compile it yourself. >  > seeu >2H > http://www.decus.org/encompass/libcatalog/description_html/v00216.html >, > and/or >uH > http://www.decus.org/encompass/libcatalog/description_html/v00006.html > E > DECUS says they're for VAX/VMS but I remember just fortran the lastn& > time I compiled it, a few years ago. >k > -- Aaron Sliwinski   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2001 08:36:08 -05003 From: malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg).# Subject: Re: Support of old systemsm3 Message-ID: <h3HQ$voGT3tG@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  6 In article <1010323005354.59701D-100000@Ives.egh.com>,& John Santos <JOHN@egh.company> writes:) > On 22 Mar 2001, John E. Malmberg wrote:e >y> >> Used Infoservers do show up from time to time, but with out= >> the activation key CD-ROMs and load media, they can easilyp >> become doorstops. >u; > I saw one on Ebay yesterday, bidding was about $15, but Ii6 > didn't know about activation key or load media being; > required and don't know if they were included or if therea > is a license transfer issue.  4 I am totally ignorant of any license transfer issue.  : Going strictly from my memory there is a load media CD-ROM also part of CON-DIST.  9 Without additional LICENSE KEY CD-ROMs, the unit can onlyD9 serve MOP boots, and paging files to VXTxxxx X-terminals.-  < Separate LICENSE KEY CD-ROMS are available for DISK serving,; tape serving, and possibly CD Recording.  I have never usedp an Infoserver for CD-Recording.   @ >> > (Last time I looked, QBUS SCSI controllers are about $1000.? >> > No way for a hobbyist, or even for a business that is onlyf? >> > keeping a VAX around to support the last few customers who ' >> > still haven't migrated to Alphas.)R >>C >> The last I looked the used third party ones were about $500 U.S.c> >> I do not have a list of suppliers with me, and can not give >> any recomendations. >o8 > Still much more than it's worth for a hobbyist system.  E Keep your eyes open.  Last year a VAX 4000-500, 128M Memory, bootablea: KZQSA controller, TLZ04, 3 RF72 disk drives was offered on  comp.os.vms for $50.00 U.S.  :-)  > Complete systems with valuable components can usually be found? for a fraction of the price of the components.  The used markete can be strange.   A >> A cross architecture bootstrap should be possible.  I have notcB >> yet tried it, and I would not expect the method to be supported >> officially. > D > Hmm.  If VAX-VMS kits were done in PCSI, could you install VAX-VMSB > on a 2nd disk on an Alpha, then boot a VAX into the cluster from <snip>  ! Way too much work and trouble :-)i  9 The following is untested, and probably a bit incomplete.d Use at your own risk!h  A It also will require that you have the needed license keys loadedn0 on the boot system for the satellite to operate.  A The VAX system must have an ethernet controller that is supportedn& for VMSCLUSTER operations.  No DEQNAs.  2 Assume that an Alpha is your system with a CD-ROM.   Convert it to a cluster.  > Use the CLUSTER_CONFIG procedure to build a satellite with the; ethernet address of the VAX.  Be sure to tell it not to puts$ page or swap files on the satellite.  @ On a spare disk, make an IMAGE backup of the OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM.  3 Now look at the MOP database for the VAX satellite.a  E You will have to change the file and logical name references to pointn3 to images on your backup of the OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM.   A You will also probably need to copy the cluster security databaseh? from the ALPHA system disk to backup of the OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM.   E It may be needed to set the logical names for SYSUAF and other commonr2 files in the SYLOGICALS.COM that will be executed.  J The VAX satellite can then be booted, it will not have much functionality,H but you can then do an image backup of the OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM to a spareA disk on the VAX, or do SAVE-SET B to start an install, or use then& tape drive on your VAX from the ALPHA.  7 Again, consider this an experimental untried procedure.   C I have probably missed a few steps, and of course this will requirer1 some research on the person who wants to do this.?   -Johnt wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:56:05 -0500o  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com># Subject: Re: Support of old systemse6 Message-ID: <1010323094457.59701B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ' On 23 Mar 2001, John E. Malmberg wrote:o  8 > In article <1010323005354.59701D-100000@Ives.egh.com>, [...]  > # > Way too much work and trouble :-)' > ; > The following is untested, and probably a bit incomplete.t > Use at your own risk!V > C > It also will require that you have the needed license keys loadeda2 > on the boot system for the satellite to operate. > C > The VAX system must have an ethernet controller that is supporteda( > for VMSCLUSTER operations.  No DEQNAs. > 4 > Assume that an Alpha is your system with a CD-ROM. >  > Convert it to a cluster. > @ > Use the CLUSTER_CONFIG procedure to build a satellite with the= > ethernet address of the VAX.  Be sure to tell it not to puta& > page or swap files on the satellite. > B > On a spare disk, make an IMAGE backup of the OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM. > 5 > Now look at the MOP database for the VAX satellite.z > G > You will have to change the file and logical name references to point 5 > to images on your backup of the OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM.. > C > You will also probably need to copy the cluster security databasedA > from the ALPHA system disk to backup of the OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM.  > G > It may be needed to set the logical names for SYSUAF and other commont4 > files in the SYLOGICALS.COM that will be executed. > L > The VAX satellite can then be booted, it will not have much functionality,J > but you can then do an image backup of the OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM to a spareC > disk on the VAX, or do SAVE-SET B to start an install, or use thet( > tape drive on your VAX from the ALPHA.  F I think the "copy the CD-ROM to a spare disk" method should work fine.E I'm not sure about the "SAVE-SET B" method, since after rebooting theiB VAX, it probably would no longer be in the cluster and wouldn't beB able to get SAVE-SET C, etc.  However, you could probably copy theC save-sets to a spare disk on the VAX, install S/A backup on a spare-F disk on the VAX, boot S/A backup from the spare disk, restore SAVE-SETF B, and go from there.  Just copying the CD-ROM to the spare disk wouldD be easier, unless you have limited disk space.  If you only have oneB disk, that might problematical, but I know you can boot S/A backupF from a disk, then restore to that disk you just booted, wiping it out!D (I've done this on single disk systems, where I needed to defrag theE system disk, and didn't want to spend the 1/2 hour to boot S/A backupDD from a TK50 or (horrors) RX01...  Boot S/A backup from root E on theE system disk, backup to tape, restore to the system disk, reboot.  Alls
 was fine.)   > 9 > Again, consider this an experimental untried procedure.r > E > I have probably missed a few steps, and of course this will requiren3 > some research on the person who wants to do this.  >  > -Johne > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only.  ? Thanks, John... If your post ever makes it to Deja, it could ben  a lifesaver for someone someday!   --   John Santosc Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:06:17 -0500c2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)# Subject: Re: Support of old systemseL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2303011306180001@user-2iveang.dialup.mindspring.com>  3 In article <h3HQ$voGT3tG@eisner.encompasserve.org>,s4 malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg) wrote:    # > Way too much work and trouble :-)y > ; > The following is untested, and probably a bit incomplete.  > Use at your own risk!i > C > It also will require that you have the needed license keys loaded-2 > on the boot system for the satellite to operate. > C > The VAX system must have an ethernet controller that is supportedc( > for VMSCLUSTER operations.  No DEQNAs. > 4 > Assume that an Alpha is your system with a CD-ROM. >  > Convert it to a cluster. > @ > Use the CLUSTER_CONFIG procedure to build a satellite with the= > ethernet address of the VAX.  Be sure to tell it not to putn& > page or swap files on the satellite. > B > On a spare disk, make an IMAGE backup of the OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM. > 5 > Now look at the MOP database for the VAX satellite.a > G > You will have to change the file and logical name references to pointi5 > to images on your backup of the OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM.e > C > You will also probably need to copy the cluster security databaseMA > from the ALPHA system disk to backup of the OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM.e > G > It may be needed to set the logical names for SYSUAF and other commonn4 > files in the SYLOGICALS.COM that will be executed. > L > The VAX satellite can then be booted, it will not have much functionality,J > but you can then do an image backup of the OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM to a spareC > disk on the VAX, or do SAVE-SET B to start an install, or use the ( > tape drive on your VAX from the ALPHA. > 9 > Again, consider this an experimental untried procedure.-  9 Take a look at the VMS clustering manual.  The section onSJ cross-architecture satellite booting describes quite a bit of this, IIRC. 6 I think what you are describing is _almost_ supported.     > Personal Opinion Only.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comG   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:26:03 +0100l  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch># Subject: Re: Support of old systemsd+ Message-ID: <VA.00000329.664e4a9e@sture.ch>n  K In article <h3HQ$voGT3tG@eisner.encompasserve.org>, John E. Malmberg wrote:    [snip]; > The following is untested, and probably a bit incomplete.n > Use at your own risk!l > C > It also will require that you have the needed license keys loadedb2 > on the boot system for the satellite to operate. > C > The VAX system must have an ethernet controller that is supportede( > for VMSCLUSTER operations.  No DEQNAs. > 4 > Assume that an Alpha is your system with a CD-ROM. >  > Convert it to a cluster. > @ > Use the CLUSTER_CONFIG procedure to build a satellite with the= > ethernet address of the VAX.  Be sure to tell it not to putS& > page or swap files on the satellite. > B > On a spare disk, make an IMAGE backup of the OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM. > 5 > Now look at the MOP database for the VAX satellite.a > G > You will have to change the file and logical name references to pointn5 > to images on your backup of the OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM.a > C > You will also probably need to copy the cluster security database A > from the ALPHA system disk to backup of the OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM.u > G > It may be needed to set the logical names for SYSUAF and other commona4 > files in the SYLOGICALS.COM that will be executed. > L > The VAX satellite can then be booted, it will not have much functionality,J > but you can then do an image backup of the OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM to a spareC > disk on the VAX, or do SAVE-SET B to start an install, or use the0( > tape drive on your VAX from the ALPHA. > 9 > Again, consider this an experimental untried procedure.  > E > I have probably missed a few steps, and of course this will require.3 > some research on the person who wants to do this.i > J Interesting. A comment in that Gartner report on VMS infers this was once F formally supported, although I note that nowadays (V7.2-1), the Alpha G CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM only contains options to add an _Alpha_ node to the d cluster.  F It _should_ be possible, although will take some research, as you say. ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerlandh   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2001 01:55:50 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com># Subject: Re: Support of old systems - Message-ID: <87lmpvhx09.fsf@prep.synonet.com>a  " Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:  M > In article <h3HQ$voGT3tG@eisner.encompasserve.org>, John E. Malmberg wrote:l  ? > > The VAX satellite can then be booted, it will not have muchcE > > functionality, but you can then do an image backup of the OpenVMSsD > > VAX CD-ROM to a spare disk on the VAX, or do SAVE-SET B to startA > > an install, or use the tape drive on your VAX from the ALPHA.r  ; > > Again, consider this an experimental untried procedure.$  ? > > I have probably missed a few steps, and of course this willn= > > require some research on the person who wants to do this.s  F > Interesting. A comment in that Gartner report on VMS infers this wasF > once formally supported, although I note that nowadays (V7.2-1), theB > Alpha CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM only contains options to add an _Alpha_ > node to the cluster.  C > It _should_ be possible, although will take some research, as you  > say.  I You can certainly run as a cluster member by satalite booting from a diskcH on the 'other' arch. There are some quirks to get a single alpha running7 with vaxen though, and I'd expect the opposite as well.o  H But, I'm think the new machine will have to be a cluster member. I don't= think the 'cluster' will like serving a disk to a non-member.o     -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:06:48 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)# Subject: Re: Support of old systemslL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2403011406480001@user-2ivebj5.dialup.mindspring.com>  @ In article <VA.00000329.664e4a9e@sture.ch>, paul@sture.ch wrote:    L > Interesting. A comment in that Gartner report on VMS infers this was once H > formally supported, although I note that nowadays (V7.2-1), the Alpha I > CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM only contains options to add an _Alpha_ node to the  
 > cluster. > H > It _should_ be possible, although will take some research, as you say.  < http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/4477/4477pro.htmlP http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/4477/4477pro_020.html#cross_arch_boot  M As the manual says (still in VMS 7.2), cluster_config.com doesn't do this for J you.  It requires manual labor, but the docs explain it in general terms. , See the 2nd-to-last bullet in section 10.5.2  + This little section is kind of hidden away.H   -- < Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:51:04 -0500i/ From: "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>l# Subject: Systems & Options catalogsaK Message-ID: <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB75001925A94@rlghncst625.usps.gov>   - Friend cleaning out his desk just brought me d+ the following (in case I didn't have them):/   S&O, November 1997 S&O, April 1998o S&O, January 1999m  4 Turns out that I already have these in my "library".  . I hate to throw them away, so the first person& willing to pay for shipping gets them.  2 Sorry I'll ask for money up front, got burned last time I extended credit.g ==============================* William W. Webb, EDS, c/o USPS DSSC/OSS/MS. 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616 919 874 3043  r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:38:47 +1000t- From: "Dick Adams" <adams.dick.rc@bhp.com.au>i Subject: Re: Telnet Security4 Message-ID: <9a0v66$kvm$1@gossamer.itmel.bhp.com.au>   Hal,G     Here is an accounting record which was cut yesterday. The remote Id L TELNET_861247FC indicates my IP address. In this case you decode it forwardsK in hex (I think FTP is decoded backwards) 86 = 134, 12 = 18, 47 = 71 and FC J = 252 so my IP address is 134.18.71.252, of course, this may be a function- of UCX and TCPware may cut different records.l   Dick   INTERACTIVE Process Terminations -------------------------------0F Username:          QAADAR            UIC:               [PMNGR,QAADAR]C Account:                             Finish time:       29-MAR-2001  09:07:37.46-C Process ID:        0000396F          Start time:        29-MAR-2001o 09:02:52.86tC Owner ID:                            Elapsed time:                0C 00:04:44.606C Terminal name:     TNA6:             Processor time:              0n 00:00:01.12t9 Remote node addr:  22493             Priority:          4w@ Remote node name:  shl-60            Privilege <31-00>: DFFFFFFF@ Remote ID:         TELNET_861247FC   Privilege <63-32>: FFFFFFFF Remote full name:t@ Queue entry:                         Final status code: 00000001 Queue name: 	 Job name:mA Final status text: %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion-  B Page faults:              616        Direct IO:                 74B Page fault reads:          69        Buffered IO:              798B Peak working set:        2416        Volumes mounted:            0B Peak page file:         34032        Images executed:            9+ Hal Kuff <kuff@tessco.com> wrote in messageoI news:006AB9803AC71BBA.F0436378C3FE4C48.016CB3DBE92BF810@lp.airnews.net...eJ >     Sorry, was thinking of something outside of the sylogin.com chain...D > Accounting does not seem to have the terminal id in the accounting logs....J > I could append to a shared file from sylogin, but that is difficult on aJ > busy system....operator log messages are messy..... rms sequential files) > open shared write are messy as well....c >e >a >e/ > "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> wrote in messagesK > news:D342B7F188CF4AFA.987906EFBB0F306F.897AC1143C2A26DA@lp.airnews.net...Y > >O > >hF > >    Anyone know of a method to get the foreign IP address logged on telnetK > > sessions with a box using Tcpware... We can do it via the firewall, butn: > > were looking for something on the vms side as well.... >  >R   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2001 19:59:50 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>7 Subject: Re: the Northeast Digital Systems Ebay Follieso- Message-ID: <87r8zopufd.fsf@prep.synonet.com>l  7 Lyndon Bartels <lyndon.bartels@childrenshc.org> writes:e  D > It looks like somebody finally antied up enough money to get above- > the reserve on one of Northeast's machines.c  n8 > It's a 600au, with 512M of ram, and 1 18.1G diskdrive.  t > Current Bid: $2,600.  oE > I looked at their web-site, and the same 600au, they have listed atr > $2,999.00.  iC > Hmmm... Seems more than a wee bit high for me. But... If somebodye0 > want's to pay that kind of money.... so be it.  E A friend as some 4100s and 7000s for sale, with SW kit. About $2300USa@ ( depending on the state of the pacific peso ) plus freight. See
 comp.sys.dec.o   -- y< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.n@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:34:37 GMTl From: txrhtt@safe.coms2 Subject: THE WORLDS BEST PC SECURITY PROGRAM  9952, Message-ID: <h7Mw6.1236$b43.2010@NewsReader>   EVIDENCE ELIMINATOR:B  The unique program which professionally cleans and speeds up your PC..........  2 DELETING CACHE AND HISTORY WILL NOT PROTECT YOU!!!; You dont want to be caught out!!...... make your PC safe...t  5 THIS PROGRAM IS A MUST!!! CHECK IT OUT...............   3 http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/go.shtml?A654845s  , THE NETS HOTTEST SOFTWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  U izqlseifnutdhfxybhsoqooencdkhtjxecuuhtyxgygsenwcqqephocxgvyrglndpmfqqdpyijhzfrswnkqupo   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Mar 2001 19:19:51 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)3 Subject: Re: They aren't ever going to learn but...R, Message-ID: <9a01sn$boi@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  ] In article <3AC23CCD.E2FDA49@compaq.com>, Rich Dischler <richard.dischler@compaq.com> writes:  >mA >The DS10 power supply is a modified version of a PC-like supply. ? >We needed "way more" 3.3v current than the PC supply which wase >rather 5v oriented. d  K I'm ordering a Sun system today (from parts) which is essentially the long tJ requested but never produced PC-VMS system - except that Sun sells it and G it only runs Solaris.  Anyway, Sun was able to produce an UltraSparc II,F motherboard that's a good match for an off the shelf PC power supply:   b Voltage Mobo needs(Amps) 300 W ATX supply provides (maximums, 300W ATX supply, Antec PP-303X, $50) +3.3      5              14* +5        5              30* +12     1.5              10  -12       0              0.5  3 * +5 and +3.3 output combined max power = 160 WattsR2 and 120 W is available at 12V, 6W at -12V, to give! 286W, which is more or less 300W.n  2 >3.3v and 5v were both increased. The power header3 >has extra pins to carry all of the extra current.    G I think I can see where this is going - thicker wires weren't used on aaK standard connector because the motherboard would have overheated if all therI power dumped in on a single pin.  Or it would have required a huge amountf2 of metal in the traces to spread the current out.   I What currents _does_ the DS10 motherboard require?  The spec for the DS10nJ says that it also has a 300W supply.  If 3.3/5 are beefed up then +12 mustK be cut down - and the disk drives and fans run off of 12V.  Some disks draw H a lot of current at startup - an IBM deskstar 75Gb drive will draw 2A atG 12V = 24 W.  If the motherboard uses so much power how much is left for,I the disks?  (I expect power is only likely to be tight when the disks are  spinning up.)    >The cost of this supply isl >still quite low and PC-like.g  I "Low" and "affordable" are relative terms.  How much would it cost if an  ? end user purchased one (assuming an end user can purchase one.)e   >yH >Sorry one of your supplies died, but glad that it was quickly serviced.  I Service was just fine on this call.  Aside from a brief unintended detourmL to a Presario service operator it wasn't too bad an experience.  The system B was only down about 24 hours.  It might help if the Compaq serviceE information on the web page started out by telling Alpha (and Tandem) H customers to call a different number, since at least one operator at theI first contact point apparently didn't know what a DS10 was but assumed itp had Intel inside!    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:31:58 GMTc+ From: rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan)d3 Subject: Re: They aren't ever going to learn but...o4 Message-ID: <iRNw6.4496$JN5.115939@news.goodnet.com>  I For historical interest only, the old PC64 motherboard (EV4/45 to 275MHz)wI used an AT style power supply but with two extra 6-pin connectors.  Those B each had three 3.3v supply and three ground pins to accomodate the% extra 3.3v load needed by that board.y  H Needless to say that power supply was relatively very pricy, even thoughC some other wintel systems (Micron) used them when they specifically/> wanted to support the optional 3.3v PCI power on some systems.  I I got lucky (not lucky enough to stop throwing money at the thing, sadly) E and found a reseller with old IBM power supplies used for the PowerPC F evaluation motherboards that had the exact same connections.  $5.00 ;)B But not enough capacity to run a box full of drives too.  Oh well.   Rich Jordan  rjordan@mcs.neth   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Mar 2001 20:11:04 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)/ Subject: They aren't ever going to learn but...n, Message-ID: <99qs4o$ebb@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  J One of the DS10s in the beowulf blew its power supply.  It was still underJ warranty and Compaq support came out within 24 hours of my call to replaceD it.  Anyway, the thing is, that power supply was ALMOST an ATX powerH supply.  (Which is fitting, because the DS10 is pretty much a regular PCG that happens to use an Alpha.)  It was the same size, had a regular ATX J power connector and, of course, regular Disk and Floppy power connectors. K But it also had an extra power connector bigger than the ATX mobo connectoreK (more pins) that plugged into the side of the motherboard right next to thesD regular connector.  The voltages listed on it didn't look out of theF ordinary either.  For sure there weren't 20 different voltages on that second connector!   @ As far as I could see there was no reason AT ALL for this bit ofH proprietary technology.  Can somebody at Compaq explain why this machineJ could not have been built with an industry standard ATX power supply?  AndC yes I know that most of those in PCs are cruddy, but good ones are tJ available for very little extra cost, and I'll bet that the good ATX powerF supplies cost a heck of a lot less than the power supply in the DS10.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:54:51 GMTA1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>a3 Subject: Re: They aren't ever going to learn but...S2 Message-ID: <3AC10CA0.6745B7E4@clarityconnect.com>  D This power supply is used in other systems where that connector does indeed supply other options.   David Mathog wrote:C > L > One of the DS10s in the beowulf blew its power supply.  It was still underL > warranty and Compaq support came out within 24 hours of my call to replaceF > it.  Anyway, the thing is, that power supply was ALMOST an ATX powerJ > supply.  (Which is fitting, because the DS10 is pretty much a regular PCI > that happens to use an Alpha.)  It was the same size, had a regular ATXeK > power connector and, of course, regular Disk and Floppy power connectors.rM > But it also had an extra power connector bigger than the ATX mobo connector0M > (more pins) that plugged into the side of the motherboard right next to theeF > regular connector.  The voltages listed on it didn't look out of theH > ordinary either.  For sure there weren't 20 different voltages on that > second connector!p > B > As far as I could see there was no reason AT ALL for this bit ofJ > proprietary technology.  Can somebody at Compaq explain why this machineL > could not have been built with an industry standard ATX power supply?  AndD > yes I know that most of those in PCs are cruddy, but good ones areL > available for very little extra cost, and I'll bet that the good ATX powerG > supplies cost a heck of a lot less than the power supply in the DS10.i > 
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduS@ > Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech   -- ID Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:00:31 +0100e, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>0 Subject: Re: Uaf Show/rights status bug (v7.2-1)& Message-ID: <3AB9BF2F.AF196AC6@gmx.ch>  > You discovered something even more critical than your example:   V7.2-1 Alpha GD2079> uaf sh/rights toto    / %UAF-E-SHOWERR, unable to complete SHOW command - -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHID, unknown rights identifiere GD2079> sh symb $statuse   $STATUS == "%X10000000"S  
 V7.1 Alpha GD2089> uaf sh/rights toto/ %UAF-E-SHOWERR, unable to complete SHOW command - -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHID, unknown rights identifiero GD2089> sh symb $statuso   $STATUS == "%X00000001"n  N We could have expected at least the $status matching the SYSTEM error message.   D.   "J. Scott Greig" wrote:  > 2 > Just a heads-up for anyone converting to V7.2-1. > : > It seems that the "show/rights" portion of the authorize+ > utility for OpenVMS version 7.2-1 (Alpha) 9 > returns a bad status.   This can lead to broken commands+ > files &etc. for user authorization tasks.o >  > Version 7.2-1... > $ uaf:=$authorize- > $ uaf show/rights system? > Identifier                         Value           Attributese/ >   NET$MANAGE                       %X91F50002m/ >   NET$DIAGNOSE                     %X91F50004a > $ sh sym $status >   $STATUS == "%X10000000"t >  > Version 7.1... > $  uaf show/rights systemE? > Identifier                         Value           Attributest/ >   NET$MANAGE                       %X91F50002c > $ sh sym $status >   $STATUS == "%X00000001"A >   > I'm logging a call to DEQ now. > Scott-   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:54:26 +0100A  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>0 Subject: Re: Uaf Show/rights status bug (v7.2-1)+ Message-ID: <VA.0000032c.666845b5@sture.ch>h  D In article <pGLtYpd4GoAR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Rob Young wrote:- > From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)p > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms 2 > Subject: Re: Uaf Show/rights status bug (v7.2-1)" > Date: 22 Mar 2001 08:29:02 -0500 > f > In article <4p3u6.31124$1f.161798@quark.idirect.com>, "J. Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com> writes:4 > > Just a heads-up for anyone converting to V7.2-1. > > < > > It seems that the "show/rights" portion of the authorize- > > utility for OpenVMS version 7.2-1 (Alpha)t; > > returns a bad status.   This can lead to broken commandc- > > files &etc. for user authorization tasks.n > >  > > Version 7.2-1... > > $ uaf:=$authorizet > > $ uaf show/rights systemA > > Identifier                         Value           Attributes 1 > >   NET$MANAGE                       %X91F5000251 > >   NET$DIAGNOSE                     %X91F50004  > > $ sh sym $status > >   $STATUS == "%X10000000"  > >  > > Version 7.1... > > $  uaf show/rights system-A > > Identifier                         Value           Attributes01 > >   NET$MANAGE                       %X91F50002e > > $ sh sym $status > >   $STATUS == "%X00000001"  > > " > > I'm logging a call to DEQ now.	 > > Scotts > >  > / >  Here's one for you ... on VMS 6.2 , you get:a >  > $ uaf :== $authorize > $ uaf show /right system? > Identifier                         Value           Attributesd >  > [snip] >  > $ show sym $status >   $STATUS == "%X100381F0"G >  > $ @find_message 100381F0 > ' > Message found in system message file: G > 100381F0 -> %CLI-W-ABSENT, entity or value absent from command string  >  >  Interesting.  a >  And on V7.2 VAX, I get   $ uaf show /rights systemc $ show sym $status   $STATUS == "%X100381F0"o   ____
 Paul Sture Switzerlands   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:33:09 +0100i, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>/ Subject: Re: unable to ftp for certain user a/ct& Message-ID: <3ABA1B35.1DC5D17E@gmx.ch>  $ on the machine running VMS, do this:  $ $ set audit/alarm/enable=logfail=all $ reply/enable  A then try to connect and you will get the reason on your terminal.l  & On all machines I manage, I have this:   ISLKP1_mgr> sh audit g- System security alarms currently enabled for:5   ACL9   Authorizations   Audit:         illformed5   Breakin:       dialup,local,remote,network,detacheddM   Logfailure:    batch,dialup,local,remote,network,subprocess,detached,server   - System security audits currently enabled for:a   ACL    Authorizationh   Audit:         illformed5   Breakin:       dialup,local,remote,network,detachedaF   Logfailure:    batch,dialup,local,remote,network,subprocess,detached  H alarms are displayed on a terminal with REPLY/ENABLE and recorded in the OPERATOR.LOG fileN2 audits are recorded in the security audit journal.   D.3 (and avoid posting three times the same message :-)c   Netsurfer wrote: >  ../...$ > What is the cause of the problem??   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:36:01 -0600a% From: "steve smith" <ssmith@lbpc.com>y$ Subject: Upgrading to alphavms 7.2-1& Message-ID: <gBNu6.44$n%4.1460@client>  I I'm planning to upgrade from alphavms 7.1-2 to 7.2-1.  Some brain cell is,I ringing in my head, about run time libraries, being overwritten for basicmL and other languages. Will I have to reinstall the languages after I upgrade, and install the 20 patches.s  6 Then again this brain cell might doing the death dance   -- Steve Smith  Manager Technical Services Information Technology Law Bulletin Publishing Co. 
 (312)644-7067  (312)644-4355 Faxc ndelise@LBPC.com http://www.lawbulletin.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:52:58 -0500s- From: John Reagan <reagan@hiyall.zko.dec.com>n( Subject: Re: Upgrading to alphavms 7.2-11 Message-ID: <3ABB634A.F40C2B8@hiyall.zko.dec.com>r   steve smith wrote: > K > I'm planning to upgrade from alphavms 7.1-2 to 7.2-1.  Some brain cell isFK > ringing in my head, about run time libraries, being overwritten for basiceN > and other languages. Will I have to reinstall the languages after I upgrade, > and install the 20 patches.   E Some of the compilers (Pascal for one, perhaps BASIC) often ship RTLstH independently of VMS and do not use the PCSI installer.  In those cases,E its quite possible that upgrading to V7.2-1 will regress the language F RTLs.  Now, V7.2-1 is quite new so your chances of regression might beG smaller.  For example, I know in Pascal's case, the RTL included insideoG the compiler kit is in fact the V7.2-1 RTL so no regression will reallypG occur (but you didn't know that until I told you or until you found they section in my release notes).g  G As for PCSI-based kits and patches, PCSI should take care of everythingl for you.   -- r John Reagans Compaq Pascal Project Leader   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:36:51 GMTl2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)( Subject: Re: Upgrading to alphavms 7.2-11 Message-ID: <7eQu6.116$fB6.4165@news.cpqcorp.net>F  W In article <C2256A18.007242AF.00@jklh21.valmet.com>, norm.raphael@jamesbury.com writes:  : 5 :I'm not that comfortable with PCSI OpenVMS upgrades.w  L   They're fast, they're easy, and they're easier than VMSINSTAL/KITINSTAL...  4   Once you've done a few, you'll really like PCSI.    K   If you've created few VMSINSTAL KITINSTAL procedures, you'll also really pL   like PCSI -- well, once you learn to split off the kit configuration task !   from the kit installation task..    :How does PCSI find the patches?  E   PCSI maintains data on all objects that PCSI has installed, and allyE   objects that have been registered with PCSI.  It also maintains theoD   information necessary for the the ECO kits that apply to products.  ) :How does it know which patches to apply?   C   With V7.1-2 and later, each object has its own generation number. E   PCSI simply uses the most recent.  This tends to avoid regressions..  G :Is this process now really automagic with PCSI-based install/upgrades?d  
   Yes, it is.d  '   Here is what I don't like about PCSI:a  F     Bugs: The PCSI kit that is available for PCSI fixes several subtleC     bugs within PCSI, provides some baseline support for newer PCSIc$     kits, and should be installed.    G     Problem: if you delete parts of the PCSI database, PCSI can forget WF     about components or otherwise become confused.  Fix: don't delete      files you don't own.  C     Problem: PCSI does not provide a version-regression capability.jD     Fix: if you want to back out an OpenVMS ECO kit that uses PCSI, 8     you have to start with the base product and work up.  G   The above should not be infered as a dislike of PCSI itself nor that ED   there are particular problems with it nor that I recommend againstG   it.  PCSI works very well, and I make regular use of it.  I can (and CI   do) encourage products to use it, and I use PCSI for packages I create.4G   And I definitely find it superior to VMSINSTAL -- VMSINSTAL itself ishI   nicely designed, but the environment and the flexibility that VMSINSTAL-H   provides to the KITINSTAL makes for some real complexity and for some B   very hairy installation kits and some weird installation bugs...  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:19:50 GMTt% From: peter@joules.org (Peter Joules)r Subject: Re: VAX market valueh1 Message-ID: <3ac3af9b.188811947@news.demon.co.uk>,  C On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:04:24 +0100, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>a wrote:    F >There are some offers from Compaq in the UK at the moment.  25% tradeG >in of VAX 6000 series against Enterprise Alphas and 25% tradein of VAX D >4000 against dept. class Alphas. Also 75% trade-in against softwareB >licenses plus all sorts of other offers. Valid through June 2001. >a  B Does anyone know what Compaq do with the old VAXen which they haveC taken as trade-in.  I am sure that UK collectors would be more thane7 willing to save them from the dump if allowed to do so.h   --   Regards  Pete   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:34:12 -0600n* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: VAX market valueo- Message-ID: <0033000020104237000002L072*@MHS>e  . =0AI suspect they get disassembled for spares,( anything that doesn't become spares gets dumpstered. :^(   , That's par for the Q tradein course, and the. practice dates from the days of d|i|g|i|t|a|l.   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETs( > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 5:17 PM8 > To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET > Subject: RE: VAX market valuer >w >cE > On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:04:24 +0100, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>w > wrote: >  > H > >There are some offers from Compaq in the UK at the moment.  25% trad= ee: > >in of VAX 6000 series against Enterprise Alphas and 25% > tradein of VAXF > >4000 against dept. class Alphas. Also 75% trade-in against softwareD > >licenses plus all sorts of other offers. Valid through June 2001. > >. > D > Does anyone know what Compaq do with the old VAXen which they haveE > taken as trade-in.  I am sure that UK collectors would be more thanT9 > willing to save them from the dump if allowed to do so.  >  > --	 > Regardsn > Pete >=   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:38:33 GMTl' From: benmyers@ultranet.com (Ben Myers)o Subject: Re: VAX market valueo4 Message-ID: <3ac3f144.16149432@news.ma.ultranet.com>  D Here in the US, Compaq either scrapped them or sold them to a selectD list of resellers, who could then do with them as they pleased.  NowF Compaq is outsourcing all of its surplus "disposal", so who knows what" will happen with them... Ben Myers  & peter@joules.org (Peter Joules) wrote:  D >On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:04:24 +0100, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> >wrote:. >> > G >>There are some offers from Compaq in the UK at the moment.  25% tradewH >>in of VAX 6000 series against Enterprise Alphas and 25% tradein of VAXE >>4000 against dept. class Alphas. Also 75% trade-in against software C >>licenses plus all sorts of other offers. Valid through June 2001.s >> >aC >Does anyone know what Compaq do with the old VAXen which they haveoD >taken as trade-in.  I am sure that UK collectors would be more than8 >willing to save them from the dump if allowed to do so. >g >--  >Regards >Petey >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:10:01 +0100o* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>6 Subject: Re: VMS 8byte datetime > Unix datetime - help, Message-ID: <99q3fh$1de0@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  d "Paul Sherwin" <psherwin@strayduck.com> wrote in message news:3ac07320.4016686@news.onetel.net.uk...? > Does anyone have any info on converting the 64 bit VMS systemc> > date/time to C/Unix style datetime (or just decoding the VMSD > date/time) _without_ using VMS system services? I have some binary8 > data produced on a VMS system which I need to convert.  F It's just an (8byte, little-endian) integer count of the number of 100? nanosecond ticks since the base time - November 17, 1858 00:00.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:42:13 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)6 Subject: Re: VMS 8byte datetime > Unix datetime - help; Message-ID: <3ac0b4d5.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>r  , Paul Sherwin (psherwin@strayduck.com) wrote:? > Does anyone have any info on converting the 64 bit VMS systems> > date/time to C/Unix style datetime (or just decoding the VMSD > date/time) _without_ using VMS system services? I have some binary8 > data produced on a VMS system which I need to convert. >aG > Obviously a working code fragment would be ideal, but if anyone knows $ > an algorithm I can code it myself.  E I once hacked together a 64bit arithmetic for this reason (and put it 3 in Visual C++ classes). Find it on my website underg: http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/quad.zip (I think)   cu,t   Martin -- XJ One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de.J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Mar 2001 19:17:22 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)-6 Subject: Re: VMS 8byte datetime > Unix datetime - help: Message-ID: <99qp02$eav$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  1 In message <3ac07320.4016686@news.onetel.net.uk>, /   psherwin@strayduck.com (Paul Sherwin) writes:w> >Does anyone have any info on converting the 64 bit VMS system= >date/time to C/Unix style datetime (or just decoding the VMSeC >date/time) _without_ using VMS system services? I have some binaryc7 >data produced on a VMS system which I need to convert.C  B Treat the 8 bytes as a little-endian integer and it represents the@ number of 100-nanosecond 'ticks' (10 million ticks/second) since@ 17 November 1858.  Subtract the the Unix base time of 1-JAN-1970B (0x7c95674beb4000 in VMS binary units) and divide by 10 million toE get the number of seconds since 1970.  You'll have to figure out what ? timezone the VMS clock was in to do the proper final correction  to a Unix binary time.    < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet:iL 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  + Disclaimer: Dogs can't tell it's not bacon.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:23:23 -0600 C From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com>e6 Subject: Re: VMS 8byte datetime > Unix datetime - helpI Message-ID: <craig.berry-FCB32E.08232227032001@newsrump.sjc.telocity.net>e  1 In article <3ac07320.4016686@news.onetel.net.uk>,e-  psherwin@strayduck.com (Paul Sherwin) wrote:e  ? > Does anyone have any info on converting the 64 bit VMS systemr> > date/time to C/Unix style datetime (or just decoding the VMSD > date/time) _without_ using VMS system services? I have some binary8 > data produced on a VMS system which I need to convert.  D Dan Sugalski's VMS::Misc Perl extension will do this, and you don't E even need a VMS system or C compiler.  Go to search.cpan.org, select r3 "Distribution" from the list and search for "misc".    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:01:01 GMTo+ From: psherwin@strayduck.com (Paul Sherwin)n6 Subject: Re: VMS 8byte datetime > Unix datetime - help0 Message-ID: <3ac11af5.521198@news.onetel.net.uk>  > On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:02:17 GMT, psherwin@strayduck.com (Paul Sherwin) wrote:   > >Does anyone have any info on converting the 64 bit VMS system= >date/time to C/Unix style datetime (or just decoding the VMSaC >date/time) _without_ using VMS system services? I have some binary 7 >data produced on a VMS system which I need to convert.   C Thanks to all respondents. I've now hacked some code together whichoB seems to work. I knew about the 1858 start date and all that stuffC (something to do with the Smithsonian Institution IIRC), but 64 bito sums always scare me a bit.   E Anyway, I just called $BINTIM on a VMS system to get 1970 in VMS time D - I hardcoded this in the Linux program, then subtracted it from theD 64 bit value I'm decoding, then divided the result by 10,000,000 andC put it in a 32 bit unsigned integer ready for gmtime. Easy when you  think it through.s   Thanks again, Paul  @ Paul Sherwin Consulting     22 Monmouth Road, Oxford OX1 4TD, UK= Phone  +44 (0)1865 721438   http://www.psherwin.strayduck.comA9 Mobile +44 (0)7931 578334   mailto:psherwin@strayduck.com  Pager  +44 (0)7666 797228-   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2001 01:33:15 +0200) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Adam Maulis)/6 Subject: Re: VMS 8byte datetime > Unix datetime - help! Message-ID: <u+AI5kHpPsO2@ludens>t  ^ In article <3ac11af5.521198@news.onetel.net.uk>, psherwin@strayduck.com (Paul Sherwin) writes:@ > On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:02:17 GMT, psherwin@strayduck.com (Paul > Sherwin) wrote:  > ? >>Does anyone have any info on converting the 64 bit VMS system1> >>date/time to C/Unix style datetime (or just decoding the VMSD >>date/time) _without_ using VMS system services? I have some binary8 >>data produced on a VMS system which I need to convert. > E > Thanks to all respondents. I've now hacked some code together which D > seems to work. I knew about the 1858 start date and all that stuffE > (something to do with the Smithsonian Institution IIRC), but 64 bit  > sums always scare me a bit.n > G > Anyway, I just called $BINTIM on a VMS system to get 1970 in VMS time F > - I hardcoded this in the Linux program, then subtracted it from theF > 64 bit value I'm decoding, then divided the result by 10,000,000 and7 > put it in a 32 bit unsigned integer ready for gmtime.   B ops, a little problem: VMS' services returns local time instead of@ GMT (UCT). Substract the timezone differential from this 32 bit  unsigned integer."    I Adam Maulis              maulis@ludens elte hu         VMS system manager H  .......................................................................H  VMS Competence Center                             VMS Szakertoi KozpontH  Eotvos Lorand University                  Eotvos Lorand TudomanyegyetemH  Budapest, Hungary                                              BudapestH  =======================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:26:04 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>F Subject: Re: VMS COE docs online (was POSIX Streams, File Permissions)+ Message-ID: <VA.0000032a.664e4d47@sture.ch>   E In article <iiLu6.101$fB6.3581@news.cpqcorp.net>, Hoff Hoffman wrote:x > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmso4 > From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)L > Subject: RE: VMS COE docs online (was Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions)% > Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:59:58 GMTt > _ > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEBECEAA.tom@kednos.com>, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes::H > :LOOKUP=CASE_SENSITIVE would seem to make more sense, the other one is > :nonsensical > = >   DCL has some subtleties around four-character uniqueness.a > / Extract from SYS$STARTUP:DECEVENT$STARTUP.COM :a  P $ SAY_CMD "$ SET PROCESS/PRIVLEDGE=(NOALL,DIAGNOSE,TMPMBX,NETMBX,SYSLCK,SYSPRV)""                              ^^^^^ :-)o ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:01:43 -0600t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> F Subject: Re: VMS COE docs online (was POSIX Streams, File Permissions)' Message-ID: <3ABD2757.293BA58C@fsi.net>e   Paul Sture wrote:i > G > In article <iiLu6.101$fB6.3581@news.cpqcorp.net>, Hoff Hoffman wrote:s > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsh6 > > From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)N > > Subject: RE: VMS COE docs online (was Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions)' > > Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:59:58 GMTv > >2a > > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEBECEAA.tom@kednos.com>, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes: J > > :LOOKUP=CASE_SENSITIVE would seem to make more sense, the other one is > > :nonsensical > >n? > >   DCL has some subtleties around four-character uniqueness.  > >d1 > Extract from SYS$STARTUP:DECEVENT$STARTUP.COM :  > R > $ SAY_CMD "$ SET PROCESS/PRIVLEDGE=(NOALL,DIAGNOSE,TMPMBX,NETMBX,SYSLCK,SYSPRV)"$ >                              ^^^^^  5 You might find the output of this entertaining, also:s  ! $ SEARCH SYS$STARTUP:*.COM GETSYSm   -- - David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/1  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.W   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:32:06 +00000% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>sF Subject: VMS COE docs online (was Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions)8 Message-ID: <fanmbt0g2fpgk12asm295c6u568fjj80vr@4ax.com>  E On 23 Mar 2001 20:38:35 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  wrote:  " >LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com writes: >   - >>   $ RENAME COEISABLAST.TXT COEIsABlast.txt' >aC >>   The RENAME command renames COEISABLAST.TXT to COEIsABlast.txt.R >sJ >Ah *UNLESS* there are changes to DCL, this will not work! DCL will upcase >the second file name :)  B Immediately before this specific example in the docs it says: "You? must have previously set your process to CASE_LOOKUP=SENSITIVE"a  	 Docs at: PA http://www.openvms.compaq.com/solutions/government/coe/index.html,    ) >The canonically correct command would bea >oL >     $ RENAME COEISABLAST.TXT "COEOsASunSoakedPileOfPox.UnreadableOnVMSpdf" ><smilley to suit>   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2001 23:56:25 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>J Subject: Re: VMS COE docs online (was Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions)- Message-ID: <87ae6cpjh2.fsf@prep.synonet.com>.  ' Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:l  G > On 23 Mar 2001 20:38:35 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>o > wrote: > $ > >LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com writes: > >o > / > >>   $ RENAME COEISABLAST.TXT COEIsABlast.txtt > >aE > >>   The RENAME command renames COEISABLAST.TXT to COEIsABlast.txt.d > >nL > >Ah *UNLESS* there are changes to DCL, this will not work! DCL will upcase > >the second file name :) > D > Immediately before this specific example in the docs it says: "YouA > must have previously set your process to CASE_LOOKUP=SENSITIVE".  ? And this will also change DCLs handeling of the command's case?s  J Wonder how many programs are going to have their internal command scanning busted as a result...i   Using VMS to read the docs?d   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:25:10 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)J Subject: Re: VMS COE docs online (was Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions)0 Message-ID: <GNKu6.99$fB6.3830@news.cpqcorp.net>  ` In article <fanmbt0g2fpgk12asm295c6u568fjj80vr@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:F :On 23 Mar 2001 20:38:35 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> :wrote:  :I# :>LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com writes:c :> :o. :>>   $ RENAME COEISABLAST.TXT COEIsABlast.txt :>D :>>   The RENAME command renames COEISABLAST.TXT to COEIsABlast.txt. :>K :>Ah *UNLESS* there are changes to DCL, this will not work! DCL will upcasee :>the second file name :)o :SC :Immediately before this specific example in the docs it says: "Yout@ :must have previously set your process to CASE_LOOKUP=SENSITIVE"  G   If you want case-sensitivity (DII COE).  If you want case-preserving sE   (available now), you will be using a slightly different command fori   the parse style.  1   And yes, PDF viewers are available for OpenVMS.a  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:58:53 GMTs2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)J Subject: Re: VMS COE docs online (was Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions)1 Message-ID: <hhLu6.100$fB6.3581@news.cpqcorp.net>V  \ In article <87ae6cpjh2.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:@ :And this will also change DCLs handeling of the command's case?     Yes, it will.i  K :Wonder how many programs are going to have their internal command scanningw :busted as a result...  	   None.     F   Those that expect to see the old DCL parsing and the old file naming   will continue to function.  2   Please see my previous posting on compatibility.  I   Those tools that wish to use the newer rules and the newer capabilitiesa0   can selectively enable that ability as needed.   :Using VMS to read the docs?  E   Yes, there exist PDF viewers for OpenVMS.  Freeware V5.0 (shipping a8   out as part of OpenVMS V7.3 -- Real Soon Now) has one.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:59:58 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)J Subject: RE: VMS COE docs online (was Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions)1 Message-ID: <iiLu6.101$fB6.3581@news.cpqcorp.net>0  ] In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEBECEAA.tom@kednos.com>, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes:tF :LOOKUP=CASE_SENSITIVE would seem to make more sense, the other one is :nonsensical  ;   DCL has some subtleties around four-character uniqueness.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2001 13:00:58 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)tJ Subject: Re: VMS COE docs online (was Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions)3 Message-ID: <TWcPBzfCO2QE@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  \ In article <87ae6cpjh2.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: > L > Wonder how many programs are going to have their internal command scanning > busted as a result...m >   B The feature is off unless you turn it on, so you're code will keepB working unless you feel like doing something.  (VMS remains upward compatable.)  H There's also DECC$ARGV_PARSE_STYLE and DECC$EFS_CASE_PRESERVE to control3 what happens by the time you see arguments to main.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationl= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group-E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinga   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:14:12 +0000t- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>r; Subject: Re: VMS filesystem as a single tree with one root.m1 Message-ID: <3ABB13E4.1906A11E@BlueBubble.UK.Com>    Christof Brass wrote:f  @ > There are two features I would like to see on VMS (but only if: > no one disagrees and only if it can fit into VMS style): > The second thing I wouldB > like to see is the ability to organise the whole filesystem as a2 > tree (with one root). Is this against VMS style?  * Whole filesystem as a tree with one root ?  C Sure, just make every disk a bound volume set with the system disk.-  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.                                                     p.s. ;-)   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2001 13:05:10 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a; Subject: Re: VMS filesystem as a single tree with one root. 3 Message-ID: <E48y4ebfPYzX@eisner.encompasserve.org>S  a In article <3ABB13E4.1906A11E@BlueBubble.UK.Com>, Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> writes:g > Christof Brass wrote:a, > Whole filesystem as a tree with one root ?  E > Sure, just make every disk a bound volume set with the system disk.  >   E Not quite the UNIX fashion COE probably wants, and not supported.  Ofe; course, if you NEVER have to restore a backup it will work.i  ; But sometimes posting the smiley a couple pages down won't./  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences CorporationN= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupeE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingr   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:41:02 +0000 (UTC)-9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no>T* Subject: Re: VMS source listings omittings- Message-ID: <99i14e$icf$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>x  3 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:s/ : In article <99cov9$qrv$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>,6= : Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> writes:n  @ : :The VMS source listings kit states that something is omitted.G : :I know the why, but exactly which files/modules are omitted and whatd : :is their functionality?  G :   I would have assumed that the answer to this would be self-evident.h  F :   Citing a specific example of an expurgated facility and associatedH :   source listings modules, Compaq OpenVMS has deliberately chosen not K :   to provide the internal software implementation details of the OpenVMS 0I :   software licensing mechanisms.  Hopefully, for what should be obviousu :   reasons.    That is stated and obvious, yes.  F :   Other OpenVMS modules are expurgated from the source code listings3 :   CD-ROM for a variety of other specific reasons.   D Among them sensitive algorithms, trade secrets, very innovative code and patent pending code.C That itself may be self-evident, but exactly what it is may only beo@ guessed, and after a while be confirmed when you do not find it.  I :   If you have a specific facility or function that you require details,a  @ No, just curious about exactly which modules/algorithms/code and functionality are excluded.o  K I would like some more details about the ICC API in the form of programmingc5 examples, but I do not need the source code for that.n   --  
 -Roar Throns0   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:20:24 GMT)= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)t* Subject: Re: VMS source listings omittings0 Message-ID: <009F97BB.5B1FF4C5@SendSpamHere.ORG>  i In article <99i14e$icf$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>, Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> writes:.4 >Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:0 >: In article <99cov9$qrv$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>,> >: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> writes: >iA >: :The VMS source listings kit states that something is omitted.eH >: :I know the why, but exactly which files/modules are omitted and what >: :is their functionality?d >tH >:   I would have assumed that the answer to this would be self-evident. > G >:   Citing a specific example of an expurgated facility and associated)I >:   source listings modules, Compaq OpenVMS has deliberately chosen not  L >:   to provide the internal software implementation details of the OpenVMS J >:   software licensing mechanisms.  Hopefully, for what should be obvious
 >:   reasons.h >n! >That is stated and obvious, yes.e  H As one having and using the source listings, I'd much rather see a file-F name in the source listings and its contents, if censored, state such.D For example, [V72-1.LOGIN.LIS]CHECKUSER.LIS could exist but contain:   *** CENSORED ***     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.0   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:00:23 GMTe+ From: rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan)a* Subject: Re: VMS source listings omittings3 Message-ID: <bE2v6.2648$JN5.82141@news.goodnet.com>   F Of course if you really want to see all the expurgated source, all youG might have to do is get a job at microsoft in Redmond, who received all-+ the good stuff almost free some time ago ;)0   Rich Jordanl rjordan@mcs.neta   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Mar 2001 01:48:17 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>* Subject: Re: VMS source listings omittings- Message-ID: <87puf7hxcu.fsf@prep.synonet.com>T  - rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan) writes:c  D > Of course if you really want to see all the expurgated source, all@ > you might have to do is get a job at microsoft in Redmond, who: > received all the good stuff almost free some time ago ;)  D But I've already got the 3.4 listings on Fiche. Getting a searchableD version, or the MICA changes would be nice. ESP the last. So much of" this stuff just gets lost forever.   So much for history...   -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:45:17 +0100,- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>u2 Subject: Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job) Message-ID: <3AC0C39D.C620E13B@bbc.co.uk>t   JF Mezei wrote:t  . > "mike.price"@nospam@littlewoods.co.uk wrote: > >f
 > > Hello,? > > I have just been told that I may shortly be made redundant.e >e3 > welcome to the club of unemployed loyal VMS fans..  B hmmm, to MIke I suggest, surf to www.jobserve.co.uk, enter VMS andC your location details. Seems a bit quiet at present (year end?) buto thereiB are jobs around. Whether they are interesting jobs or just anotherB babysit-the-VAX-to-the-grave-and-pick-up-some-NT-or-contract-rates, type position I leave to your own judgement.  E Out of interest, Mike, are they shutting you down or is it that "he'sa
 too expensive 7 and we don't understand what he does all day" syndrome?S     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uks  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those off MedAS or the BBC.:   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:46:40 +0100,- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>I2 Subject: Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job( Message-ID: <3AC0C3EF.6EC9EE5@bbc.co.uk>   Alan Greig wrote:e   >m > A > There seem to be quite a number of jobs open at the moment. ForsE > example www.jobserve.co.uk claims to find over 700 VMS jobs open inTA > the UK although some seem to be duplicates. I'll email you moreO
 > details. >P  L you mean like the site near Salisbury that is depearately trying to recruit?A They don't seem to be having much luck due to all the repeat ads.,    -- 6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk5  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of5 MedAS or the BBC.>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:02:31 +0100l4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>2 Subject: Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job8 Message-ID: <7e32ctgucaileais4a39cbs6kjins7rgq6@4ax.com>  G On 26 Mar 2001 12:16:59 GMT, mike.price@nospam@littlewoods.co.uk wrote:@  K >I would be grateful for any information about vacancies and especially web ) >sites that are likely to have vacancies.   * Visit Jobserve, and slap in VMS and North.  B Unfortunately, you won't find a whole lot :-(  Trust me, I know...     	John  -- _
 John Laird   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:03:49 +0100 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>2 Subject: Re: VMS sysadmin/system prog wants UK job8 Message-ID: <9g32ct8v0h0jsdigrora6tb63fk5dtoco4@4ax.com>  1 On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:46:40 +0100, Tim Llewellynp  <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:  B >> There seem to be quite a number of jobs open at the moment. ForF >> example www.jobserve.co.uk claims to find over 700 VMS jobs open inB >> the UK although some seem to be duplicates. I'll email you more >> details.t >> >dM >you mean like the site near Salisbury that is depearately trying to recruit?-B >They don't seem to be having much luck due to all the repeat ads.  E I only view jobs in the (grim) North.  There is someone recruiting inIG Cleveland who also endlessly reposts ads.  It's a bit far to travel for8 me....   	Johnn -- a
 John Laird   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:28:36 GMT.5 From: danco@cx48228-c.escnd1.sdca.home.com (Dan Cook).9 Subject: Re: VMS: DECNet to TCP/IP migration help wanted.O- Message-ID: <slrn9c7e2o.6gu.danco@pebble.org>L  A On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:31:13 +0200, \)_ex <luctor@emer.go> wrote:t  ) >Helas, Gorazd, phase V is not an option.t  G Is using Multinet TCP/IP instead of UCX an option?  You can encapsulateuG DECnet over IP using Multinet.  You'll need a DECnet routing license tomF do it though since it involves creating another circuit for the DECnetF over IP traffic to flow over.  Multinet works better than UCX as well.   - Danx   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:15:59 GMT- From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>Y Subject: Re: VMS: DECNet to TCP/IP migration help wanted. (this is in Dutch, sorry...) son' Message-ID: <3AC389DB.9A5FF0E2@home.nl>i  
 Hallo Lex,  , Heb je nog steeds je Gigabyte bordje ?? :-))     Maar nu ter zake,t  I Decnet-Plus met IP transport werkt voortreffelijk, en je ziet geen  enkeln Decnet pakket meer. K Decnet en UCX hebben domweg niet dezelfde functionaliteit, dus ze zijn niet. uitwisselbaar.  M Je kunt Decnet-Plus over IP net zo beschouwen als Windows met IP. Netbios hasdM als standaard protocol Netbeui, en heeft later als transport stack o.a. IP erpJ bij gekregen. Je gebruikt ook geen FTP tussen twee Windows systemen om eenI bestandje over te zetten, maar Netbios over IP. Zo kun je het gebruik vanC Decnet-Plus over IP ook zien.h  E De syntax is heel eenvouding, b.v. Copy mynode.com::[mydir]myfile.datm  hisnode.com::[hisdir]hisfile.dat8 Je kunt mynode.com ook vervangen door b.v. IP$10.2.3.4 .  K Het is ook absoluut niet moeilijk te installeren. Ik denk dat de klant zich L veel meer ellende op de hals haalt als hij inderdaad alleen met standaard IPL zaken als FTP etc. wil gaan werken. Bij Decnet-Plus over IP blijft feitelijkK zo goed als alles bij het oude, en hoef je dus nauwelijks applicaties o.i.dr; aan te passen als die gebruik maken van Decnet koppelingen.s  K Decnet is een integraal onderdeel van VMS, TCP/IP (UCX) slechts een add-on.l Zoiets simpels als  edit  othernode.com::bestand.datI is wel mogelijk met Decnet-Plus over IP, maar nooit met standaard TCP/IP.   K Dus de klant moet nog maar eens goed nadenken wat hij wil, de consequentieso3 kunnen wel eens groter zijn dan hij zich voorstelt.c   Succes,.   Dirk   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:19:35 GMTh! From: Ian Parker <parker@gol.com>T( Subject: Re: Vol Shadow / Bound Vol Sets& Message-ID: <lguwRAAg9Qw6Ew33@gol.com>  5 In article <sac0a8ca.072@aaas.org>, John Eisenschmidt  <jeisensc@aaas.org> writesP >The DS20s and the KZPACs are long since gone, and the DS10s with lots of disks O >are on the way. (And by the way, thanks again to everyone who lived though my t
 >testing). >gQ >So now I have an Alpha on the way with 14 spindles. I suspect my best bet is to aR >Shadow 2 disks for the system disk and 12 for Oracle? I keep getting conflicting J >advice about whether or not to shadow the system disk (I say yes, if you  >disagree please tell me why). >QM >As for the rest, I was hoping someone could help me out with the syntax for iL >creating a software RAID 10 volume (which I understand requires the Volume L >Shadowing License or DEC RAID or Compaq RAID or whatever it's called these 4 >days). The disks are physically arranged like this: >nB >DKB 0  |  DKB 100  |  DKB 200  |  DKB 300  |  DKB 400  |  DKB 500 >tB >DKC 0  |  DKC 100  |  DKC 200  |  DKC 300  |  DKC 400  |  DKC 500 >n2 >Shadow DKB 0 and DKC 0 to create the system disk. >aN >Bind DKB 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, and then shadow that to DKC 100, 200, 300, 6 >400, 500 to create a volume for the Oracle datafiles. >e >Thanks in Advance,r >John Eisenschmidt >n   John  F I remember nothing about host-based RAID, but assuming that it doesn't> constrain you in some odd way, I'd do it the other way round:  1) shadow each pair of disks> 2) use the first mirrored pair for your system, as you plannedE 3) make a stripeset from the remaining mirrors for the Oracle data.  t  H This way, a disk failure on the database disks requires a shadow copy of* only a single disk, not the entire volume.   Regards( -- i
 Ian Parker   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:49:53 GMT-7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)-( Subject: Re: Vol Shadow / Bound Vol Sets& Message-ID: <GAvor5.GGA@world.std.com>  - John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> writes:n  L >So now I have an Alpha on the way with 14 spindles. I suspect my best bet =M >is to Shadow 2 disks for the system disk and 12 for Oracle? I keep getting =aK >conflicting advice about whether or not to shadow the system disk (I say =j* >yes, if you disagree please tell me why).  E Advantages: Eliminates system disk as single point of failure.  ReadsnD should go faster (system disk I/O except for paging is mostly reads)H Writes will be executed in parallel so will go at the speed of whicheverI disk is slower, so getting page/swapfiles on a non-shadowed disk can giverD a bit of a performance inprovement.  Of course shadowing consumes anH entire drive (or two) without a corresponding increase in available disk space.  J >As for the rest, I was hoping someone could help me out with the syntax =J >for creating a software RAID 10 volume (which I understand requires the =G >Volume Shadowing License or DEC RAID or Compaq RAID or whatever it's =-A >called these days). The disks are physically arranged like this:e  H You should shadow pairs of individual disks and bind the shadowsets, notE the other way around.  This reduces the chances of two drive failureso  taking out your entire database.  F The DSAx: = DKBn+DKCn setup you plan is ideal, if the two members of aF shadowset were on one bus that bus is a single point of failure.  ThisB theoretically splits the bus load right in half for each bus, too.   -Mike    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2001 08:44:59 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ; Subject: Re: vpn clients can not telnet into a Vax or Alphar3 Message-ID: <MqiqlFycTIqu@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  g In article <P_wu6.7513$o41.112446@newshog.newsread.com>, "Sharon Pulsifer" <zydko@softdisk.com> writes:  > 8 > Has anyone else had any experience like this?  Thanks.  H Yep, the local network security folks haven't figured out that denial of" service is not a security feature.  F Just what can get messed up depends on much more detail of the network( configuration than what you've posted.    A What kind of firewalls, what kind of rules are implemented on theeE firewalls, are there address translating routers, how are the routerse configured, ...?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationd= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingy   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:12:24 +0100 0 From: Terminal Steeler <Terminal@Steeler.KGB.ru> Subject: Re: vt200. Message-ID: <3AC334B8.A8BE4C2E@Steeler.KGB.ru>   Bedlam702 wrote: > Q > Anyone know where I can get one of these. I have one more left that works and IB > need at least 2 more.:  B We have a stock of VT220s that we stole from people like yourself.  B But you're not getting any until you pay your money for the files.   Terminal Steeler   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:49:12 -0800h% From: GreyCloud <wholland@tscnet.com>? Subject: Re: vt200O Message-ID: <578FC44B5CE3B0D6.FFF9AE02566AB254.3720BA29C59FCF7E@lp.airnews.net>f   Bedlam702 wrote: > Q > Anyone know where I can get one of these. I have one more left that works and Io > need at least 2 more.t  F You should try to search the web.  If that does not bring results, forH what its worth, try military sites and pose your requests.  All too manyD of these robust and seemingly undestructable terminals end up in theC militaries' trash can.  I know, as the Navy has sent many to publice> sales offices.  Many a times I visited the sites and purchasedF semiconductors at pennys per pound, then later resold the same devices
 for a profit.  Try "Military Surplus".j   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:26:03 +0100a  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>C Subject: Was: [DCL] minute of the day. Now: IT pranks of yesteryeare+ Message-ID: <VA.00000328.664e4787@sture.ch>?  C In article <87wv9gnw9k.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi wrote:  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms & > Subject: Re: [DCL] minute of the day. > From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" > Date: 24 Mar 2001 03:03:03 +0800 > $ > Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes: >i [snip] > H > The best I have come across was a program called CRAMCOPY. Most of theG > time, it would swallow the command, print it on the line printer, and D > copy the decks. Or it would print the command end to end reversed. > E > The prize, was for it to start the very first part of the copy, anduG > then proceed to type out some number of verses of Eskimo Nell. And it 8 > had I think 126 or so verses hidden in its happy guts. > E > Just hitting halt was not a good option, as you could end up with agD > destroyed pack. Plus it had a heap of anti tamper tricks built in.D > One of the programers found the dispatch to the type out code, and? > patched it out. The decks where copyied in interleaved order;.% > 0-1-2-3-4 -> 1-0-3-2-5 ... Oh dear!  > G > Eventually, some one found a spot where a jump disarmed the mischief.hC > Sad thing is, it was several orders an magnitude better code than ) > anything else that run of those things.  > D Ooh-er. We're talking about early viruses here. As Wayne points out I these were mainly harmless fun (although as I inferred, in the days when aF CPU was charged out by the second, such things could potentially cost  thousands p.a.).  I The political damage can be quite severe too. When doing regular 12 hour 5F days, 6 or 7 days a week (_not_ paid overtime), a former boss of mine H put a Xmas ASCII art message into the equivalent of SYS$WELCOME only to G be told that if he had time to do that he wasn't doing his job. Sheesh!t ___n
 Paul Sture Switzerland9   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Mar 2001 15:38:49 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)B Subject: Re: What part of Attunity Connect is included in OpenVMS?, Message-ID: <99fqm9$bk8@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  c In article <99dllm$vad$1@nighthawk1.acs.ttu.edu>, "Steven Downing" <Steven.Downing@ttu.edu> writes: L >Here part of a quotation from Attunity. Sorry the formatting got mangled inG >the cut/paste. Surly we don't have to pay this much now since AttunityrL >Connect is going to be embedded in VMS V7.3. But which of this quotation is
 >free now?  C The part of Attunity connect that comes with VMS provides "connect"iH to Oracle.  Period.  Any other of their products is extra.  I don't knowF if you also need to buy per user licenses or not since we didn't have B Oracle and that pretty much terminated my interest in the product.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech  J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Mar 2001 15:16:13 GMT- From: ejheller@aol.com.nojunk (Edward Heller)t, Subject: Where is the Alpha instruction set?: Message-ID: <20010323101613.22133.00000877@ng-fc1.aol.com>  N I am attempting to debug some C code on an OpenVMS Alpha. For various reasons,I I am forced to peruse the asembly code. I am familiar with assembly code,8M however, I wish to be certain that my assumptions on mnemonics is correct. InnJ this attempt I have tried to find some documentation of the Alpha assemblyL code. I suspect that I have simply not looked in the appendix of the correctM manual. If I could be directed to the proper manual - online is best, OpenVMSiJ documentation set (CD-ROM) is next, least likely for me to locate would be+ paper copies, but I am open to suggestions.c   Thanks, 
 Edward Hellere TransCore ITS, Inc   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:24:44 -0500o- From: John Reagan <reagan@hiyall.zko.dec.com>R0 Subject: Re: Where is the Alpha instruction set?1 Message-ID: <3ABB246C.D3E5DFB@hiyall.zko.dec.com>K   Edward Heller wrote: > O > manual. If I could be directed to the proper manual - online is best, OpenVMSaL > documentation set (CD-ROM) is next, least likely for me to locate would be- > paper copies, but I am open to suggestions.n >   D The MACRO-64 assembler on the Freeware CD comes with instruction set documentation.  / http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/MACRO64/c   -- a John Reagan. Compaq Pascal Project Leader   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:11:42 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)0 Subject: Re: Where is the Alpha instruction set?0 Message-ID: <2BKu6.96$fB6.3830@news.cpqcorp.net>  j In article <20010323101613.22133.00000877@ng-fc1.aol.com>, ejheller@aol.com.nojunk (Edward Heller) writes:O :I am attempting to debug some C code on an OpenVMS Alpha. For various reasons,sJ :I am forced to peruse the asembly code. I am familiar with assembly code,L :however, I wish to be certain that my assumptions on mnemonics is correct.   J   It has been my experience that machine-code debugging on Alpha is ratherJ   more difficult than it is on VAX, and it is my experience that the rulesK   and the compiler generated code optimizations are far more sophisticated.eM   (Accordingly, IA64 VLIW machine-code debugging will be very "interesting".)-  K   It has also been my experience that debugging best first concentrates on lK   the program and on the program operations and on the failure.  A list of tN   common programming mistakes is included in the Ask The Wizard topic (1661), K   a list which would be (IMNSHO) a better and more fruitful starting point m   than machine-code.  F   I would also encourage the use of a recent C compiler.  If you wish J   additional assistance around the particular problem seen, you will need J   to provide rather detail of the problem and the program environment and I   (potentially) provide the source code of a (small!) problem reproducer.e  N :In this attempt I have tried to find some documentation of the Alpha assemblyM :code. I suspect that I have simply not looked in the appendix of the correctpN :manual. If I could be directed to the proper manual - online is best, OpenVMS& :documentation set (CD-ROM) is next...  F   Please acquire and skim the OpenVMS FAQ -- you will find pointers to6   the Alpha Architecture documentation included there.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:27:55 -0500J- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>-. Subject: Re: Which lexical use to align data ?, Message-ID: <3AC16834.2F551761@videotron.ca>   > "Valdemir J. Santos" wrote:d > . > Im needing align data in a file. example:>    HELP LEX F$FAO  
 for instance:    count = 321r fixed = f$fao("!5UL",count)w  R this will put the value of count in a string 5 character longs, and right aligned.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:07:18 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e+ Subject: Re: Which TCPIP ports are active ?d, Message-ID: <3AC1635F.D8807717@videotron.ca>  A Thanks to all the pointers on the getting a list of active ports.t  2 It seems that one must manually assemble the list.  N TCPIP SHOW SERVICES provides a list of potential services (that may not have aC process running currently, but would should a call request arrive).   M then the various incantations (such as SHOW NET/FULL "TCP/IP") provide a list J of active BG devices, and one must then find the owner process for each ofN these devices and get the image that is running to determine who is resposible	 for what.c  C As a suggestion, it would make for a nice audut tool to have a morerN comprehensive command that shows exactly how VMS reacts to an incoming call toR each port (to which process it goes to or which command procedure is invoked etc).   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:50:46 GMTv$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>1 Subject: Will the VIOC be fixed in VMS Alpha 7.3? ) Message-ID: <3ABD4114.2150D591@wi.rr.com>-   Hi:-  E Currently, the size of the VIOC on VMS Alpha is fixed at VCC_MAXSIZE. G I thought I read a while back that a future version of VMS was going to > let the VIOC grow and shrink as the system needed memory (like the VIOC does on VMS VAX).  @ Is this fixed in VMS Alpha 7.3 or do I need to wait for a future version?   Thanks,P  
 -Scott :^)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:18:18 -0500 2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>  Subject: WRQ Reflection 9.0 beta2 Message-ID: <2ULw6.305$fB6.10042@news.cpqcorp.net>  K Please note that this press release is not from Compaq and I am posting fort your information only.   Thanks,r  
 Sue Skonetski    -----Original Message----- Dear Wendy and Susan,t  J Sue Lindsey,WRQ asked me to send this along to you... WRQ is please to letI you know it's Reflection 9.0 beta is now available.  This new product hascL been designed to take advantage of the latest technologies including XML andH Windows 2000.  Below I have highlighted what WRQ believes this means forJ customers, along with the full text of the press release (that will go out7 on Monday the 26th) and a list of new product features.T  B - IT managers need to extend and make the most of their resources.J Reflection 9.0 allows them to easily migrate from older terminal emulationJ solutions and to design deployments that can significantly reduce IT costs by reducing network traffic.F - Reflection has been re-engineered to include a utility for capturingH configuration information and data from host applications in XML so this3 data can be in turn used by other XML applications.oJ - For the second time, Reflection products have been certified for WindowsJ 2000, which assures customers that they can take advantage of Windows 2000F features such as Active Directory and the Microsoft Windows installer.    
 Sincerely,
 Ann Finlay finlay.house@gte.net 503-977-6372       For Immediate Releaset March 26, 2001       For more information:d WRQ Inc.   Anika Baxter   206.217.7810   anikab@wrq.com       Pembroke Resources  
 Ann Finlay   503.977.6372   finlay.house@gte.net      < WRQ Reflection Evolves to Take Advantage of New Technologies  E New Release to Feature XML for Enhanced Communication Between Windowst Desktops and Host Systems    K ORLANDO, Fla. - March 26, 2001 - Today at the Gartner "Practical ApproachesuI to IT Investment Decisions" conference, Seattle-based WRQ, Inc. announcedlK the availability of the WRQ Reflection 9.0 beta release. The announcementoH continues the company's 20-year tradition of providing industry-leading,I cost-effective host access for connecting Microsoft Windows desktops with F host systems. In order to address the needs of IT managers focusing onE making the most of their IT investments, WRQ has been engineering its0K terminal emulation and PC/UNIX integration solutions to reduce the time andDL cost needed to access existing, time-tested host applications. With this newI release, IT managers can easily migrate from older terminal emulation and K PC/UNIX integration solutions by using customizable installation tools thatJG allow them to design deployments that significantly reduce IT costs and K network traffic. This release also includes Linux console emulation supporthG for customers connecting to Linux host systems. The Reflection 9.0 betaaF release is available on the WRQ Web site at www.wrq.com/products/beta/ through April 12, 2001.       H "We have been using WRQ Reflection for many years as the primary tool toF access the district's Compaq VAX/OpenVMS for administrative databases,L student records and transcripts," said Bob Dietel at Meadowdale High School.L "Reflection makes these connections marvelously transparent. I am especiallyH pleased with how quick, easy to install and configure Reflection 9.0 is,@ even on a brand-new PC that's never been a VAX terminal before."      K IT managers have come to expect Windows-based Reflection products to follow A industry standards that ensure precise emulation and rendering of I applications from host systems including IBM, HP, UNIX, Linux, Unisys and G OpenVMS. These same IT managers are challenged to extend their existingaI resources. WRQ provides solutions that allow IT staff to easily configure-L and automate connections to host systems, generate reports and provide usersF access to the information they need to get their jobs done. ReflectionH products include Microsoft Visual Basic for Applications (VBA) to create? login scripts, customize reports and automate host connections.H      D "Twenty years ago, WRQ was created with one goal in mind: to deliverF mission-critical data to the people who need it. Back then, this was aG straightforward process-connect one person to one mainframe," said Dougo? Walker, CEO, WRQ. "Today, the process is much more challenging.mI Organizations must connect thousands of people to a diverse range of hostXI systems through a growing complexity of software layers and applications. I Reflection software has been, and will continue to be, a critical tool innD providing this connection. The upgrades and new features included inL Reflection 9.0 demonstrate our continued commitment to our customers and the host-access marketplace."       $ Using XML for Enhanced Communication  G XML has been supported throughout the high-technology community as a dew? facto standard way of describing and communicating data betweenmL applications. The new release of Reflection includes a utility for capturingK configuration information and data from host applications in XML for use inn) Windows desktop XML-enabled applications.l      J "One of the most exciting new features in Reflection 9.0 is that customersE can capture data from the HP e3000 and bring it down to their WindowsrH desktop in XML format, to be used by their other XML applications," saidE Kriss Rant, HP e3000 Alliance Manager. "WRQ continues to evolve their = products to enable customers to use the newest technologies."V      0 Control the Costs of Accessing Host Applications  J The evolution of WRQ Reflection solutions helps ensure that customers willL be able to access new developments on the desktop, such as Microsoft WindowsJ 2000 and XML applications. When the Reflection products are released laterK this year, they will have passed the rigorous testing needed to receive thepE Microsoft "Certified for Windows 2000" logo for the second time. WhenfH products receive this logo, customers can take advantage of new featuresE such as Active Directory, which allows IT personnel to easily add andiL configure network users, and the Microsoft Windows Installer (MSI), which is7 used to easily and quickly install Reflection products.l            , Where to Get the Reflection 9.0 Beta Release  4 Reflection 9.0 is available now on WRQ's Web site atG www.wrq.com/products/beta/ through April 12, 2001. Currently maintainedfL Reflection customers will automatically receive Reflection 9.0 upon release.B Prices for Reflection start at $161 per seat. The final release ofH Reflection 9.0 is scheduled to be available in the third quarter of this year.       G In June, customers wanting Web-based terminal emulation should considerhE Reflection for the Web 4.5, which has been shown to lower the cost ofsI accessing host applications even more. 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 for identific   ( New Reflection 9.0 product line features    Windows-based terminal emulation  $ WRQ Reflection for IBM (MSRP:  $242)   - 3270 and 5250 emulationo  0 WRQ Reflection for UNIX and OpenVMS (MSRP: $269)  I - Connections to Sun/Solaris, IBM/AIX, Compaq Tru64 UNIX, Compaq OpenVMS, * SGI/IRIX, and other UNIX and Linux systems  # -   includes ReGIS Graphics support   " WRQ Reflection for HP (MSRP: $404)  6 - includes connections for HP 3000 and HP 9000 systems  J WRQ Reflection Suite for the Multi-host Enteprise, Standard Edition (MSRP: $359)d  @ - includes connections for IBM, UNIX, LINUX, Unisys, and OpenVMS  G WRQ Reflection Suite for the Multi-host Enteprise, Professional Editione (MSRP: $599)  I - includes connections for HP 3000, IBM, UNIX, LINUX, Unisys, and OpenVMSt       PC/UNIX integration    WRQ Reflection X (MSRP: $360)   H - PC X server to display graphical and character-based UNIX applications  ' WRQ Reflection Suite for X (MSRP: $468)l  D -          PC X server to display graphical and character-based UNIX applications  & -          NFS file and print services  + -          Telnet 3270 and 5250 connectionse  - -          Network utilities: PING, Timesyncho   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:07:06 +0000b% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>e$ Subject: Re: [DCL] minute of the day8 Message-ID: <he4mbtoo2otfh7usbjrm46ssvm44tqapid@4ax.com>  E On 22 Mar 2001 20:56:56 CDT, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.412538.killspam.015at (Wayne Sewell) wrote:i    P >The computer room staff nearly went nuts trying to figure out why jobs were notL >generating any output, yet there were no error messages.  After a couple ofP >dozen jobs went by, the simulator would drop out and return control to the realP >operating system, which made it just that much harder to diagnose the problem. I >Of course, if it saw one of *my* jobs, it would drop out instantly.  :-)n > N >Admittedly, this was a fairly primitive operating system (this was in 1971 orO >so) and rather easy to simulate, but what the hey.  It was a lot of laughs forc >not that much code.  F Of course now no distinction is made between a bit  of fun and genuineD destructive damage. You'd probably get 5 years behind bars for doing that today.p   >i >Wayne   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2001 08:15:19 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e$ Subject: Re: [DCL] minute of the day3 Message-ID: <$FbNR+EpGUUX@eisner.encompasserve.org>e   In article <rdeininger-2203011135050001@user-2ive6g4.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:  > L > You could, if you worked for microsoft.  Little glitches like you describeF > would not stop a product from shipping, and would probably get you a > raise.  H You might not get the raise until after you marketted and sold the fixes as upgrades.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporatione= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinge   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:59:35 +0100s  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>$ Subject: Re: [DCL] minute of the day+ Message-ID: <VA.00000325.62fe135e@sture.ch>d  J In article <he4mbtoo2otfh7usbjrm46ssvm44tqapid@4ax.com>, Alan Greig wrote:' > From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsl& > Subject: Re: [DCL] minute of the day' > Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:07:06 +0000  > G > On 22 Mar 2001 20:56:56 CDT, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.412538.killspam.015ai > (Wayne Sewell) wrote:n >  > R > >The computer room staff nearly went nuts trying to figure out why jobs were notN > >generating any output, yet there were no error messages.  After a couple ofR > >dozen jobs went by, the simulator would drop out and return control to the realR > >operating system, which made it just that much harder to diagnose the problem. K > >Of course, if it saw one of *my* jobs, it would drop out instantly.  :-)  > >nP > >Admittedly, this was a fairly primitive operating system (this was in 1971 orQ > >so) and rather easy to simulate, but what the hey.  It was a lot of laughs for  > >not that much code. > H > Of course now no distinction is made between a bit  of fun and genuineF > destructive damage. You'd probably get 5 years behind bars for doing
 > that today.e > P There was a story many years ago that the operators on an ICL (GEORGE ?) system Q were amazed to see a Happy New Year banner appear on the console at the start of  S the new year. The customer was pretty upset when they worked out the amount of cpu eG per year that simple date test soaked up - IIRC it was quite expensive.u   ___l
 Paul Sture Switzerlande   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2001 03:03:03 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>$ Subject: Re: [DCL] minute of the day- Message-ID: <87wv9gnw9k.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  " Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:  F > > >The computer room staff nearly went nuts trying to figure out whyA > > >jobs were not generating any output, yet there were no erroraC > > >messages.  After a couple of dozen jobs went by, the simulatormD > > >would drop out and return control to the real operating system,E > > >which made it just that much harder to diagnose the problem.  OfcE > > >course, if it saw one of *my* jobs, it would drop out instantly.tA > > >:-) Admittedly, this was a fairly primitive operating systemiC > > >(this was in 1971 or so) and rather easy to simulate, but whatn= > > >the hey.  It was a lot of laughs for not that much code.e  ? > There was a story many years ago that the operators on an ICL E > (GEORGE ?) system were amazed to see a Happy New Year banner appear-F > on the console at the start of the new year. The customer was prettyC > upset when they worked out the amount of cpu per year that simple 4 > date test soaked up - IIRC it was quite expensive.  F The best I have come across was a program called CRAMCOPY. Most of theE time, it would swallow the command, print it on the line printer, andBB copy the decks. Or it would print the command end to end reversed.  C The prize, was for it to start the very first part of the copy, andeE then proceed to type out some number of verses of Eskimo Nell. And ite6 had I think 126 or so verses hidden in its happy guts.  C Just hitting halt was not a good option, as you could end up with a B destroyed pack. Plus it had a heap of anti tamper tricks built in.B One of the programers found the dispatch to the type out code, and= patched it out. The decks where copyied in interleaved order;E# 0-1-2-3-4 -> 1-0-3-2-5 ... Oh dear!s  E Eventually, some one found a spot where a jump disarmed the mischief.eA Sad thing is, it was several orders an magnitude better code than ' anything else that run of those things.h   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Mar 2001 18:07:28 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.412538.killspam.015a (Wayne Sewell)d$ Subject: Re: [DCL] minute of the day. Message-ID: <xcj8HDMvddB3@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  ` In article <he4mbtoo2otfh7usbjrm46ssvm44tqapid@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:G > On 22 Mar 2001 20:56:56 CDT, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.412538.killspam.015a4 > (Wayne Sewell) wrote:c  O >>Admittedly, this was a fairly primitive operating system (this was in 1971 or.P >>so) and rather easy to simulate, but what the hey.  It was a lot of laughs for >>not that much code.M > H > Of course now no distinction is made between a bit  of fun and genuineF > destructive damage. You'd probably get 5 years behind bars for doing
 > that today.t    H Well, you can kind of understand that attitude.  Nobody ever seems to doL harmless pranks any more.  Destruction, chaos, and theft is the norm.  These% hacker/cracker types are a nasty lot.h  N Of course, even back in 71, those guys would probably have been rather annoyedO with me if they had known I was the perpetrator.  Fortunately, they never had agF clue what was happening, much less who did it.  They thought it was anE intermittent bug in the operating system, even though that was a rareo  occurrence in the pre-billy era.     -- cO ===============================================================================-M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)hO =============================================================================== O Dean Wormer to Flounder: "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."a   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:11:35 GMTd= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)d$ Subject: Re: [DCL] minute of the day0 Message-ID: <009F97BA.204CACD4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <xcj8HDMvddB3@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.412538.killspam.015a (Wayne Sewell) writes: {...snip...}G >clue what was happening, much less who did it.  They thought it was an-F >intermittent bug in the operating system, even though that was a rare! >occurrence in the pre-billy era.u  G That's one of Micro$chlock's great contributions to the software realm.DG The only innovations from Billy and Co. that I can see is the down play. of software quality.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMr            tO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.e   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Mar 2001 07:08:34 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.412538.killspam.015a (Wayne Sewell)t$ Subject: Re: [DCL] minute of the day. Message-ID: <cXCpWw$79iDZ@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  h In article <OF7DFE7B83.56AFC72E-ON88256A18.0064AF01@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:I > I read somewhere that one of the early HPs had a tape drive that whined H > different notes depending on the operation it was doing. Apparently atJ > least one of them played "Auld Lang Syne" (sp?) at midnight on new year,/ > much to the surprise of the operator on duty.   O On one old school system I dealt with, can't remember whether it was the 1130 I*N played the joke on or the 360 at East Texas State, the operators found that ifI you placed a radio next to the CPU, tones would come out of it as the CPUEO ground away.   The tones changed according to what the CPU was doing.   I heard2M it myself.  The operators learned to recognize patterns.  For instance, "it'soK doing a fortran compile right now", or "it's executing <some-application>".o    L It wasn't long before somebody figured out how to play tunes on the radio byH executing instructions in a particular sequence.  They had a dozen or so7 programs that would play a particular song if executed.h   Wayne    -- nO ===============================================================================rM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxs: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)-O ===============================================================================aO Dean Wormer to Flounder: "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:09:37 +0100v4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Pachacamac.com>5 Subject: [INFO] rebuild missing/corrupt PCSI$DATABASE-. Message-ID: <3AB8C431.C41839B6@Pachacamac.com>  O Assume you have a PCSI installation process which hangs after 0% completed. YousM may imagine that your .pcsi$database is corrupted for whatever reason and yourF will probably be right (the reason is outside the scope of this post).  J Anyway, you need to fix that problem, so you ^Y your installation but PCSIL suggests that you continue to avoid unstable environment. You can't continueI because the installation process still sits with 0% completed. So, do the 
 following:   (no warranty whatsoever)  O 1. delete your .pcsi$database (don't worry, you have my phone number at the endr of this message :-)d   ISLKP1_dmo> ste dfe sys$system ISLKP1_dmo> dir *islk* Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE] N IMS-AXPVMS-ISLK-V0602.PCSI$DATABASE;1        2/18       9-MAR-2001 14:44:59.75  5 ISLKP1_dmo> del IMS-AXPVMS-ISLK-V0602.PCSI$DATABASE;1 H DELETE SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]IMS-AXPVMS-ISLK-V0602.PCSI$DATABASE;1 ? [N]: y ISLKP1_dmo>f  K Then you can do a PROD SHOW PROD * which will complain because there is ones database file missing:   ISLKP1_dmo> prod sh prod *< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------5 PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    STATEt< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------9 DEC AXPVMS DECNET_OSI V7.2-1        Full LP     Installeda9 DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-5           Full LP     Installedg9 DEC AXPVMS NS_NAV_EXPORT V3.3       Full LP     Installedc9 DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.2-1           Platform    Installedf9 DEC AXPVMS SWCC V2.3-190            Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.0-11            Full LP     Installedi9 DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.2-1               Oper System Installedo %PCSI-E-OPENIN, error openingsA SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]IMS-AXPVMS-ISLK-V0602.PCSI$DATABASE;1 as inpute -RMS-E-FNF, file not found" %PCSI-E-S_OPFAIL, operation failedM %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error conditionc ISLKP1_dmo>   L 2. duplicate any other PCSI database with the exact name of the one you just deleted:  < ISLKP1_dmo> cop DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721_PCSI-V0100.PCSI$DATABASE;1= _To: SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]IMS-AXPVMS-ISLK-V0602.PCSI$DATABASE;1m ISLKP1_dmo>   N Note it is SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]. If you do not specify sys$common, it will copyF it in sys$specific then PCSI will complain about not finding the file.  P 3. reconfigure the database with the PROD RECON your_product/SOURCE=your_kit_dirH The "your_kit_dir" specification is the place where your kit is located:  # ISLKP1_dmo> dir islk$build:*-islk-*n, Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[MORANDI.ISLK.BUILD]N IMS-AXPVMS-ISLK-V0602-0-1.PCSI;1        441440/441450  20-MAR-2001 17:35:50.98& Total of 1 file, 441440/441450 blocks.   Then reconfigure:a  / ISLKP1_dmo> prod reconf islk/source=islk$build:   h( The following product has been selected::     IMS AXPVMS ISLK V6.2-0                 Layered Product  r Do you want to continue? [YES] l  ,  Configuration phase starting ...  iN You will be asked to choose options, if any, for each selected product and forO any products that may be installed to satisfy software dependency requirements.u    IMS AXPVMS ISLK V6.2-0  d7 * This product does not have any configuration options.g  b Execution phase starting ...  : The following product will be reconfigured in destination:D     IMS AXPVMS ISLK V6.2-0                 DISK$VMSSYS:[VMS$COMMON.]  sM Portion done: 0%...10%...20%...30%...40%...50%...60%...70%...80%...90%...100%   , The following product has been reconfigured::     IMS AXPVMS ISLK V6.2-0                 Layered Product ISLKP1_dmo>    Et voil, merci Didier :-)8 (also posted in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vmsinstal) (9 members today)o  K Next time, don't ^Y a PCSI installation ever. Wait until it completes, thennF uninstall your product before reinstalling it, even if PCSI allows it.   D. -- d6 MORANDI Consultants, Swiss Quality Computer Consulting6 avenue de Granges-Paccot 2, 1700 Fribourg  Switzerland1     Tel: +41.79.705.46.70 - Fax: +41.26.465.13.58t4  Visit our Web site at http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:24:43 +0100w4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Pachacamac.com>9 Subject: Re: [Q] PCSI error with FILE FRED SOURCE FOOBAR;e. Message-ID: <3AB8B9AB.F723E193@Pachacamac.com>  M Thanks Charlie, it works. It needed a directory name for the source filename.d  G I post it in the http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vmsinstal forum at once.r D.   Charlie Hammond wrote: > 7 > I dont' think PCSI$SOURCE is defined in this context.iF > Assuming that the source files are in the same directory as the file, > being installed, the following might work: > L > file [islk_user.islk_op]LOGIN.COM  source [islk_user.islk_op]OP_LOGIN.COM;N > file [islk_user.islk_rma]LOGIN.COM source [islk_user.islk_rma]RMA_LOGIN.COM; > F > If the source files are in other directories, specifiy the directory > accordingly. > H > For PRODUCT PACKAGE, the source files must have the relative directoryK > specified within the /SOURCE you are using.  I.e., the PACKAGE would look9 > for: > 1 >     PCSI$SOURCE:[islk_user.islk_op]OP_LOGIN.COMO3 >     PCSI$SOURCE:[islk_user.islk_rma]RMA_LOGIN.COMe > / > You don't specify PCSI$SOURCE; it is assumed.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:12:54 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)2 Subject: Re: [SOAPBOX] sys$specific or sys$common?2 Message-ID: <WjPw6.321$fB6.10278@news.cpqcorp.net>  U In article <3AC2FF1E.9F5B9FB6@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes:X  I :I have a "fight" with a system manager who absolutely wants to leave his I :application specific startup stuff in sys$common:[sys$startup], despite o@ :the fact that his system is no longer in a cluster environment.  1   IMHO, you would be wrong and he would be right.u  L   That the system is not clustered is not entirely relevent -- for instance,J   I have a number of standalone OpenVMS systems that have multiple system K   roots.  Each root has a different "profile".  I place the files that are nI   different among the various "profiles" into the SYS$SPECIFIC root, and rK   the common files into (you guessed it) the SYS$COMMON root.  When workingtJ   with changes to core OpenVMS files or with varying system parameters or J   such, this makes it far easier to reboot should something fail or should   the requirements change.   ..H :As a result for that, we have now startup procedures duplicated in both :directories in a chaotic way.  F   If the files are initially created in SYS$COMMON, then they will be 4   updated in SYS$COMMON when subsequent edits arise.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:16:18 -05002- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>c2 Subject: Re: [SOAPBOX] sys$specific or sys$common?+ Message-ID: <3AC3FA7D.F1E5716@videotron.ca>c  N When I upgrated from MicroVMS 4.7 to VMS 5.0, all of a sudden, I was presentedK with that really weird directory structure with SYS$COMMON and SYS$SPECIFICi  which did not exist in MicroVMS.  # Everything was put into SYS$COMMON.-  N So, it is clear to me that even outside of a cluster environment, files should3 be put in SYS$COMMON unless there is a good reason.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:23:19 -0800 % From: GreyCloud <wholland@tscnet.com>y2 Subject: Re: [SOAPBOX] sys$specific or sys$common?O Message-ID: <32924C52FDC6773F.CC9924D4AD6F980E.A92E276104CE9960@lp.airnews.net>]   Didier Morandi wrote:g >  > Charlie Hammond wrote: > >hO > > Certainly you would NOT want the same file in different places on different L > > systems.  I.e. in SYS$SPECIFIC on non-cluster nodes and in SYS$COMMON on0 > > cluster nodes.  How confusing that could be! >  > I agree. I changed my mind.  > I love news forums.w >  > D.  A Look at it from a politcal standpoint.  Depends on your relation,TA job-wise, with the Sys manager.  If he is wrong, will you suffer?b   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.178 ************************