1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 01 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 243       Contents: Re: Anyone still using MASS-11? D Benchmarketing (was Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!) Re: Capellas Knows VMS Re: Capellas Knows VMS Re: Capellas Knows VMS Re: Capellas Knows VMS# Re: Changing UIC of running process # Re: Changing UIC of running process # Re: Changing UIC of running process  Re: Compaq and SSH
 DCL "library"  Re: DCL "library"  Re: DCL "library"  Re: DCL "library"  Re: DCL "library"   Re: DEC-C: calculated constants.  Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printer  Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printer  Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printer  Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printer  Re: Decserver 100,PS0801ENG.SYS?  Re: Decserver 100,PS0801ENG.SYS?  Re: Decserver 100,PS0801ENG.SYS?! Re: Easy Multinet ftp question... ! Re: Easy Multinet ftp question... ! Re: Easy Multinet ftp question... ! Re: Easy Multinet ftp question...  Re: Hacker challenge/Solaris Re: Hacker challenge/SolarisG RE: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the	blame G Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame F Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets theblame Re: InfoServer and LAD Protocol 
 KVM Switch Re: KVM Switch Re: KVM Switch Re: KVM Switch Re: KVM Switch Re: KVM Switch Re: LPD/LPR printers on VMS + Re: MIME Encoder on OpenVMS in C available?  Re: mozilla .81  Notice: 433au's Almost gone / Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line! ! Re: OpenVMS Freeware V5.0 On-line  Re: OpenVMS V7.3 Ships> Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98! Re: source code tracking software  Re: Sync Comm - PCI Card, Transition to multipath with rolling reboot? UCX 4.2 to TCPIP 5.1 upgradeC Re: What Oracle Database is supported by Open VMS? (ask the Oracle) 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% D Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% - WAAAAY OT!!!D Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% - WAAAAY OT!!! Re: [OT] Religion   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:09:25 -0400- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> ( Subject: Re: Anyone still using MASS-11?4 Message-ID: <ZkAH6.233145$Z2.2461080@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  : "Joe H. Gallagher" <dtrwiz@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message& news:3AE9B927.C7C1EEA@ix.netcom.com...= > MASS-11 from MEC (Microsystems Engineering Company, offices > > in the Chicago suburbs) was a popular word processing system; > used on VAXes and Alphas till about 1995.  It was used by  >...; > since MEC no longer can sell us a license we are going to ; > meet a brick wall when we upgrade our VAX to an Alpha. In  >...  F Looks like another job for Charon-VAX. As long as the license you have9 will load on the emulator it should do the trick for you.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:14:11 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>M Subject: Benchmarketing (was Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!) < Message-ID: <nhBH6.4813$V%6.2759418@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  = "andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in message $ news:3AEED8F3.C38D6180@uk.sun.com... <snip> > 4 > Its just a pity you didn't bother reading your own4 > white papers before contributing to this thread it4 > would have saved you and your supporters a load of* > wasted time not to mention embarassment.  L The entire Benchmarketing Bragging Rights fixation is of dubious value. If IC was looking to purchase a Sun Fire or a GS-Series or a Superdome or L whatever, I'd run my own app on each of the competing boxes rather than rely' on TPC, STREAMS, FUBARONS, or whatever.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2001 06:15:46 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Capellas Knows VMS 3 Message-ID: <ZxIV5WfcryiB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <9cldhb$ekk$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:  L > That was quite a mouthful.  Unfortunately, placing the VMS comments in theM > context of (and at the tail-end of) the rest is not quite as encouraging as  > the out-of-context quote was.   9 Quite often that which is spoken last is remembered best. 9 Hollywood folk vie for the opportunity to have their name = listed at the _end_ of the cast list at the start of a movie, . second only to "before the title" as I recall.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:19:43 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  Subject: Re: Capellas Knows VMS 8 Message-ID: <ij1tet0klv2klqdatv57rojdgm06eo784b@4ax.com>  D On Tue, 1 May 2001 00:20:58 -0400, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:   >   J >So I'm considerably less optimistic than when I first saw the bare quote.L >The style is all too familiar:  not overtly misleading, but very subject to* >misinterpretation by those who'd like to.  C Yes but if you add to this Winkler's comment about finding religion E and growing the base plus higher profile in Inform and ads running in C the UK it tends to point towards them being genuine. If they aren't E then  their actions will soon trip them up. We seem to be seeing real A signs in the last few months of much we were promised a year ago.   D However it seems that still very little direct contact is being madeB with critical academic sites still providing VMS service. Yes they= might get the mail shots but it needs something stronger. The E university where I used to manage many VMS systems is taking its last F general student usage system out of service next month I am told. ThisA is the same university told by DEC "VMS is the past and NT is the B future", "We are betting the future of DEC on Alpha/NT" and "NT onF Alpha will be around long after VMS is dead and gone". You really haveB to make an effort to undo that. An effort not far short of gettingB down on your hands and knees. If Compaq really are serious then we: have to start seeing this sort of action next.  *AND SOON*  B Have you seen the ad placed by Digital India ( a Compaq subsidiaryE which has kept the name Digital) for VMS professionals. It reads: "If @ VMS is your religion here is a chance to work with God" Who says@ religion doesn't belong in c.o.v.? http://www.digitalindiasw.com     >  >- bill  >  >    -- Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 1 MAY 2001 14:53:12 GMT + From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>  Subject: Re: Capellas Knows VMS 1 Message-ID: <1MAY01.14531295@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>   : Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: > In article <rdeininger-3004012111360001@user-2ive6ih.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: J > > In article <tzjH6.6022$e85.2469624@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C./ > > Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  >   5 > > Still, he's not _quite_ ready for the final exam:  > > G > > "...project called Galaxy, which allows us to do interoperability." M > > (You can "do interoperability" with a piece of string between 2 tin cans;  > > Galaxy offers a bit more.) > > 0 > > Maybe he only gets a "B-" for comprehension. > > P > > And I'm glad he got through the whole paragraph without uttering the L-word. > > J > > With some extra tutoring after school, I think he'll be up to speed in > > another few quarters.  >   L > And how good are _you_ at extraneous speeches before securities analysts ?  I Er - let's hope that was an _extemporaneous_ speech and not an extraneous  one ;-)    Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 09:44:13 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com  Subject: Re: Capellas Knows VMS D Message-ID: <OFACF519E3.0E4366C2-ON88256A3F.005BC1D4@foundation.com>  G We've see ngreen shoots many times, but they always got uprooted in the I past as if they were weeds. It's good there's shoots again, but I'll save E my cheering until we get the harvest in. I vote we keep sowing in the 	 meantime.    Shane           9 Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> on 05/01/2001 03:19:43 AM   1 Please respond to Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:     Subject:  Re: Capellas Knows VMS    D On Tue, 1 May 2001 00:20:58 -0400, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:   >   J >So I'm considerably less optimistic than when I first saw the bare quote.I >The style is all too familiar:  not overtly misleading, but very subject  to* >misinterpretation by those who'd like to.  C Yes but if you add to this Winkler's comment about finding religion E and growing the base plus higher profile in Inform and ads running in C the UK it tends to point towards them being genuine. If they aren't E then  their actions will soon trip them up. We seem to be seeing real A signs in the last few months of much we were promised a year ago.   D However it seems that still very little direct contact is being madeB with critical academic sites still providing VMS service. Yes they= might get the mail shots but it needs something stronger. The E university where I used to manage many VMS systems is taking its last F general student usage system out of service next month I am told. ThisA is the same university told by DEC "VMS is the past and NT is the B future", "We are betting the future of DEC on Alpha/NT" and "NT onF Alpha will be around long after VMS is dead and gone". You really haveB to make an effort to undo that. An effort not far short of gettingB down on your hands and knees. If Compaq really are serious then we: have to start seeing this sort of action next.  *AND SOON*  B Have you seen the ad placed by Digital India ( a Compaq subsidiaryE which has kept the name Digital) for VMS professionals. It reads: "If @ VMS is your religion here is a chance to work with God" Who says@ religion doesn't belong in c.o.v.? http://www.digitalindiasw.com     >  >- bill  >  >    -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 01:05:51 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> , Subject: Re: Changing UIC of running process< Message-ID: <howard-0D4F3B.01055001052001@enews.newsguy.com>  3 In article <iA5DS2yV515G@eisner.encompasserve.org>, /  koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:   H > And the group logical name table won't change.  One of the reasons SETD > UIC was originally provided was to allow privieged users to accessI > different group logical names.  Long since it's been necessary to alter ( > LNM$GROUP or use the /table qualifier.  O Yes, as of the version (4.0, IIRC) that multiple logical name tables existed.   ; (not putting it completely accurately, but it's 01:05 here)  --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 10:28:57 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>, Subject: Re: Changing UIC of running process+ Message-ID: <VA.00000380.0059ab8c@sture.ch>   L In article <howard-0D4F3B.01055001052001@enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S Shubs  wrote:5 > In article <iA5DS2yV515G@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 1 >  koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  > J > > And the group logical name table won't change.  One of the reasons SETF > > UIC was originally provided was to allow privieged users to accessK > > different group logical names.  Long since it's been necessary to alter * > > LNM$GROUP or use the /table qualifier. > M It was common (in my experience) to use SET UIC in startup files to populate  ' group logical names. V4.0 changed that.   K I seem to remember altering LNM$GROUP got you there, but it wasn't elegant. L IIRC the tricky bit was creating the LNM$GROUP_nnnmmm tables after a reboot.  P The answer to that was to use SUBMIT/USER in the startup files to establish the M group logical name tables and populate them. The alternative was to give all  H users GRPNAM, because you couldn't predict who would log on first - ugh.  Q > Yes, as of the version (4.0, IIRC) that multiple logical name tables existed.   = > (not putting it completely accurately, but it's 01:05 here)  >  Correct. ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 01 05:26:03 PDT  From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com , Subject: Re: Changing UIC of running process( Message-ID: <p+uU6ySQ3v$r@cpva.saic.com>  + In article <VA.00000380.0059ab8c@sture.ch>, #  Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes: N > In article <howard-0D4F3B.01055001052001@enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S Shubs  > wrote:6 >> In article <iA5DS2yV515G@eisner.encompasserve.org>,2 >>  koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: >>  K >> > And the group logical name table won't change.  One of the reasons SET G >> > UIC was originally provided was to allow privieged users to access L >> > different group logical names.  Long since it's been necessary to alter+ >> > LNM$GROUP or use the /table qualifier.  >>O > It was common (in my experience) to use SET UIC in startup files to populate  ) > group logical names. V4.0 changed that.  > M > I seem to remember altering LNM$GROUP got you there, but it wasn't elegant. N > IIRC the tricky bit was creating the LNM$GROUP_nnnmmm tables after a reboot. > R > The answer to that was to use SUBMIT/USER in the startup files to establish the O > group logical name tables and populate them. The alternative was to give all  J > users GRPNAM, because you couldn't predict who would log on first - ugh. >   F Or you might jsut run LOGINOUT in a detached process during startup...+ which will work even if the UIC is invalid.    $ uaf sh/br [235,*] , %UAF-W-BADSPC, no user matches specification $ sh log/tabl=lnm$group_000235. %SYSTEM-W-IVLOGTAB, invalid logical name table1 %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name * % $ run/uic=[235,0] sys$system:loginout = %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 000108EC  $ sh log/tabl=lnm$group_000235   (LNM$GROUP_000235)1 %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name *    --   - Jim    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:20:39 GMT . From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com> Subject: Re: Compaq and SSH < Message-ID: <rSxH6.46510$U4.10969122@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>  3 David Webb <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message 0 news:ktSG6.2770$SZ5.211329@www.newsranger.com... : E > I asked the VMS Engineers on the stand at Infosec and they said SSH 	 version 2  > was in VMS 7.3. J > I haven't  seen the list of new features for VMS 7.3 but trust they were telling  > me the truth.  : I > I also asked about Secure FTP and was assured that this was also in VMS  7.3. :  > David Webb  K I was looking at the New Features manual the other day, and while there was E no mention of SSH, there was reference to Kerberos client support for J telnet, FTP, and more for secure establishment of channels plus encryption> of the stream.  This is included in 7.3, and not the IP stack.  J Perhaps this is what they were referring to?  Not SSH itself, but SSH-like functionality?   Quizzically, Aaron  --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html> Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org/C "bash is what you do to your keyboard if you're not using OpenVMS."    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:31:52 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>  Subject: DCL "library") Message-ID: <3AEEC8D8.D83AF58D@bbc.co.uk>   A I'm pretty sure this isn't possible but I'm asking anyway in case  someone 
 knows how.  E I'm implementing a simple DCL menu package at present. I'd like to be H able to keep the callable routines in a "library" separate from the main  ! application code that calls them.   H The only way I can think to do this is have an extra step where the menu  H package is appended to the application code and then executed. This will   work but is just a bit messy.   B Is there some hackery with @ or otherwise I can do to force DCL toH interpret code in a procedure library file spearate from the application code.a   regardse   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uki  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofe MedAS or the BBC.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:05:55 -0400V# From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>0 Subject: Re: DCL "library"+ Message-ID: <3AEED0D3.59549F43@hsc.vcu.edu>b  O there are a variety of ways...  you can issue CALL and GOSUB stmts, or you can i simply do a command of  0 "@[.libdir]cmdfile.com "''p1', ''p2', ''p3',..."  D you get the general idea.  if you have too much data, you can eitherv write out a "control file", or squash the entire data items > 8 into ONE paramter, and pick it apart using f$element..  I or you can use perl.. I have it, but am learning it SLLOOOOWWWLLYYY...!!!p   jimp   Tim Llewellyn wrote: > C > I'm pretty sure this isn't possible but I'm asking anyway in case 	 > someonet > knows how. > G > I'm implementing a simple DCL menu package at present. I'd like to beiJ > able to keep the callable routines in a "library" separate from the main > # > application code that calls them.I > J > The only way I can think to do this is have an extra step where the menu > J > package is appended to the application code and then executed. This will >  > work but is just a bit messy.u > D > Is there some hackery with @ or otherwise I can do to force DCL toJ > interpret code in a procedure library file spearate from the application > code.d > 	 > regardsr >  > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukD > C > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofV > MedAS or the BBC.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:26:37 +0100s- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>. Subject: Re: DCL "library") Message-ID: <3AEED5AD.80088113@bbc.co.uk>-   Jim Agnew wrote:  P > there are a variety of ways...  you can issue CALL and GOSUB stmts, or you can > simply do a command of >r2 > "@[.libdir]cmdfile.com "''p1', ''p2', ''p3',..."  b Thanks for the reply, Jim. I am using CALL statements at the present, but then the called routinesW have to be in the same file as the calling DCL, which is what I am trying to avoid. I'dtV prefer not to have any "top level" program in my "library", just the library routines.  0 Maybe I will go with the APPEND approch for now.   >s >yF > you get the general idea.  if you have too much data, you can eitherx > write out a "control file", or squash the entire data items > 8 into ONE paramter, and pick it apart using f$element.. > K > or you can use perl.. I have it, but am learning it SLLOOOOWWWLLYYY...!!!  >d  S I know, I sortta tried. However, I have approx 300 lines of DCL that do what I want  now.  R btw, anyone know whether TCPIP$CONFIG.COM is generated by an application generatorW from a hi level spec? If not, I pity the poor sod who maintains it. My DCL menu packagey is definitely more compact :-)    --t6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uks  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:39:22 -0400- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>c Subject: Re: DCL "library"4 Message-ID: <4NAH6.233303$Z2.2461142@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  : "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote in message# news:3AEEC8D8.D83AF58D@bbc.co.uk...t >eC > I'm pretty sure this isn't possible but I'm asking anyway in casea	 > someoneo > knows how. >tD > I'm implementing a simple DCL menu package at present. I'd like to beE > able to keep the callable routines in a "library" separate from thel main >...  C Looked like an interesting challenge, but I don't know if this willeC work in real life (note, if you already have a SYS$LOGIN:DCLLIB.TLBi' then edit this .COM before you try it);c     $!/ $ delete/nolog/noconfirm sys$login:dcllib.tlb.*S $e $ create x1.txt  $deck- $!# $ write sys$output "this is x1.com"01 $ write sys$output "This is "+f$envi("procedure")c $ show timen $! $eod $!4 $ library/create/text/insert sys$login:dcllib x1.txt  $ delete/nolog/noconfirm x1.txt. $! $ create x2.txtt $decku $!# $ write sys$output "this is x2.com"d1 $ write sys$output "This is "+f$envi("procedure")  $ show timet $! $eod $!- $ library/text/insert sys$login:dcllib x2.txt>  $ delete/nolog/noconfirm x2.txt. $! $!B $ pipe library/text/extra=x1 sys$login:dcllib/output=sys$output: |
 @sys$pipe:B $ pipe library/text/extra=x2 sys$login:dcllib/output=sys$output: |
 @sys$pipe: $    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:18:58 +0100t- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>  Subject: Re: DCL "library") Message-ID: <3AEEE1F2.44AED855@bbc.co.uk>s  ; Peter, thanks for the reply. I'll try messing with PIPE but # its not really whaty I had in mind.U  C What I am doing currently (just split the library out from the testaB application) is to just APPEND the library code to the application> code. However, this requires I rebuild every time I modify the library.  B So I guess I am looking for the DCL equivalent of a shared library	 really:-)s6 So I don't have to "relink" when I change the library.   regardsg   Peter Weaver wrote:j  < > "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote in message% > news:3AEEC8D8.D83AF58D@bbc.co.uk...  > >aE > > I'm pretty sure this isn't possible but I'm asking anyway in caseg > > someoneu > > knows how. > >VF > > I'm implementing a simple DCL menu package at present. I'd like to > beG > > able to keep the callable routines in a "library" separate from thei > main > >... >rE > Looked like an interesting challenge, but I don't know if this will)E > work in real life (note, if you already have a SYS$LOGIN:DCLLIB.TLB ) > then edit this .COM before you try it);, >  > $!1 > $ delete/nolog/noconfirm sys$login:dcllib.tlb.*p > $m > $ create x1.txt: > $deckn > $!% > $ write sys$output "this is x1.com"n3 > $ write sys$output "This is "+f$envi("procedure")e
 > $ show time  > $! > $eod > $!6 > $ library/create/text/insert sys$login:dcllib x1.txt" > $ delete/nolog/noconfirm x1.txt. > $! > $ create x2.txte > $deck  > $!% > $ write sys$output "this is x2.com"t3 > $ write sys$output "This is "+f$envi("procedure")l
 > $ show timet > $! > $eod > $!/ > $ library/text/insert sys$login:dcllib x2.txt " > $ delete/nolog/noconfirm x2.txt. > $! > $!D > $ pipe library/text/extra=x1 sys$login:dcllib/output=sys$output: | > @sys$pipe:D > $ pipe library/text/extra=x2 sys$login:dcllib/output=sys$output: | > @sys$pipe: > $e   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC..   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:48:54 -0400w- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>y) Subject: Re: DEC-C: calculated constants.-, Message-ID: <3AEEDAE1.F145520A@videotron.ca>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: L >   By "platform to platform", I assume you mean different operating systemsN >   or considerations such slight differences within the native floating point& >   formats on VAX and those on Alpha.  J Correct. Or the difference between the various internal formats of floting points that exist under   I >   I am clearly unable to communicate my suggestion.   Let me try again: K >   run a small executable tool that builds the include file containing ther >   "magic" constant first,n  I The problem with the above: can I represent in a ascii string, a floatingaM point constant that is garanteed to have the exact same bit pattern than the uK binary bit pattern that was used as the base to generate the ascii string ?m   i.e.:  a   myfloat = PI / 180.0 * 90.0e sprintf(buffer,"%f", myfloat); sscanf("%f", &yourfloat);o  ; will yourfloat have the exact same bit pattern as myfloat ?n  gL What precision would I need to have in the %f to ensure that the above would, always generate the exact same bit pattern ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 06:55:39 GMT 8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>) Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printeru' Message-ID: <3AED9C7C.567603D@decus.fi>S  < Your problem is that LPS17 whilst obviously doing DECnet and; MAYBE also IP does not do DECnet/OSI aka DECnet/PLUS. I.e. e, your LPS17 does not do DECnet over IP stuff.  3 Since you have now migrated from DECnet Phase IV toy DECnet/PLus 7 and specifically enabled the DECnet over IP stuff, yourk system9 actually MAY TRY TO REACH the LPS17 using DECnet over IP.c   To disable this you can do  5 	$ mcr ncl set session control transport precedence =i	 (nsp,tp4)r  : This will direct DECnet/PLus to to DECnet over NSP instead	 of OSI orr9 IP stack whenever the target system HAS a DECnet Phase IVo address.  9 Remember to include above line somewhere in your startup. 
 Preferably8 before line calling in LPS management daemons. And since
 this actuallyC; brings back DECnet over DECnet stuff, you should deregister  DECnet9 addresses whenever they are not needed. I.e. HOSTA shoulda only; know DECnet address for those "other systems" with whom thel0 communication MUST take place DECnet via DECnet.    ; For the DTSS stuff I just might convert a few (two or threeu or four)5 DTSS clerks to a server. Simple way to do this is to h  0 	$ copy sys$manager:net$dtss_clerk_startup.ncl -/ 	sys$common:[sysmgr]net$dtss_server_startup.ncl$   Then edit file, changing line%   	create dtss type = clerkt to 	create dtss type = server   Also add a few lines like0   	set dtss servers required = 3* 	set dtss decnet courier role = noncourier  ) between the "create" and "enable" lines. ]   And next restart dtsso   	$ mc ncl disable dtss 	$ mc ncl delete dtsso# 	$ @sys$system:startup network dtss!  6 on those few systems. Now they will negotiate the time6 between themselves and others will follow like a herd.   _veli-   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2001 01:56 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)<) Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printern, Message-ID: <1MAY200101560053@gerg.tamu.edu>   arcarlini@iee.org writes... I }> On a related topic, we have no DTSS server on our site and all systems.E }> constantly commenting via OPCOM that there are too few servers outCK }> there.  Again (and I know I could scurry through the documentation here,tJ }> but while I'm typing someone might have a one-line solution) any ideas? } 7 }You can either kill DTSS (there is no supported way ofe0 }doing this but you can write a short bit of NCL8 }that disables and then deletes dtss and invoke it after9 }DECnet has finished running) or you can read the chapters. }that tells you how to kill off specific error8 }messages (I'd tell you how but I don't have the chapter; }to hand anymore and I always *needed* the error messages).B }  }Antonio  @ Ah, the saga of DTSS... It is quite an adventure, and the ending! isn't as happy as one might hope.m  B There appears to be a way of disabling it that could be considered
 supported:  D In the file SYS$STARTUP:DTSS$STARTUP.COM, the first thing it does isE check to see if the logical NET$DISABLE_DTSS is defined in the systemsC table. If it is, then the startup immediately exits and DTSS is notaD started. To nip DTSS in the bud, you can make sure that this logicalF is defined before it tries to start it (SYLOGICALS.COM would be a fine place).i  A Another option is to make (at least) one node a server and change ? the number of servers required on all of them to a suitable lowBB number. If you try this and the new server complains that it can'tB find a global server, then you have the same problem I had and youC will discover that the documentation is incorrect. What you need tofE do is set your DTSS server's "DECnet Courier Role" to be "noncourier"n> instead of "backup courier". Note that the in-NCL help and theD documentation on the documentation CD both claim that this would be,C in NCL, a "set dtss courier role noncourier". This turned out to beaG wrong - it is "set dtss decnet courier role noncourier". It is possiblelH that this is because I'm not using their TCP/IP Services, using MultinetD instead, but that "decnet" in there was needed in spite of not beingA mentioned in the help or documentation - it is, however, what the-A parameter is called in the "show dtss all" output (which is why I ? eventually tried it). The help also indicates that "noncourier" F is the default, which is not correct - the default is "backup courier"E (perhaps it is a relative of Stanley Tweedle, former Assistant Backup D Deputy Courier). The error message that you get is not even remotely	 helpfull:T$ NCL>set dtss courier role noncourier [...]s Characteristics 3     constraint violation: Courier Role = NonCourier.    B Uh, "constraint violation"? How about "no such parameter"? Or even( "that's not what it's called, you bozo"?   If you do it right, you get:+ NCL>set dtss decnet courier role noncouriere [...]I Characteristicsh  3     DECnet Courier Role               = NonCourier    B which doesn't actually mention that it worked, as such, but that's! better than when it doesn't work.   A Oddly enough, the "constraint violation" is not, for some unknowncC reason, the same thing as "no such parameter", as you can see here:s NCL>set dtss foobar dummyo+ %NCL-E-INVALIDCOMMAND, unrecognized command  set dtss \foobar\ dummyg  ? Why is this different? Beats me. They are both attemts to set aIC parameter that doesn't appear to exist. They give different errors.n
 Go figure.  A So, in the end, the way to do this (other than shutting it off or F configuring it to block this type of error message, which is an optionB I don't like) is to (on the node that is to be the server, or each if you want more than one) copyC- SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]NET$DTSS_CLERK_STARTUP.NCL  to/ SYS$SPECIFC:[SYSMGR]NET$DTSS_SERVER_STARTUP.NCLyE (you could leave it in sys$common if you want them all to be servers) ? and edit it so that it does a "create dtss type server" instead ( of type clerk. Then after that line add:  ' set dtss decnet courier role noncourier  set dtss servers required 1i  ? (or some other suitable number if you are making more than one)-A and in the NET$DTSS_CLERK_STARTUP.NCL on the other nodes also putoA in the line that sets the required number of servers to 1 (or theg! above mentioned suitable number).r  A This causes it to start up as a server since the DTSS$STARTUP.COM:A checks for the presence of the server script and executes that ifd) it finds it rather than the clerk script.e  F Then you will be running DTSS in a way that will make the bloody thingB stop spewing messages to opcom every few minutes and just shut up.H All your nodes running DTSS clerks will synchronize time with the serverE (if you are not excessively unlucky). Your system times will then, of.F course, only be as accurate as the clock in the server node so pickingC the best one could be a good plan. Occasionally issuing an "update"eC command on the server with something like the correct time couldn'th hurt either.  H Or, in theory, you could make one of your nodes be a Global Server - butD I didn't bother going there (when it was a Clerk it complained aboutF insufficient servers, as there were none; when I made it into a serverH it complained about there being no Global Server; I figured that the wayG it was going, if I made it a Global Server it would just complain about M there not being a Solar System/Galactic/Universal Server so I didn't bother).EI The tragically funny part was that my initial expectation when making the0D node a server was that it would help eliminate the "too few servers"H messages that pop up every 7 to 11 minutes or so (I have no idea why theC timing on these is so random) - which it did: instead it changed tosH producing a slightly shorter "no global server detected" message every 4I or 5 minutes or so. I was not amused. As I recall, at the time I wonderedrG aloud to someone about what moron has designed (using the term loosely)oE this garbage. My suspicion was (and is) that it was not designed by ao* moron, but rather by a comittee of morons.  H And all this renaming files, editing scripts, and other such foolishnessF sounds more like an early version of Linux than VMS. At least phase IVG tends to remember what you tell it without you having to go in and edita scripts.  E Now that I have finally figured all this out, odds are good that I'll1F end up just turning it off. I'll just run NTP and actually synchronizeD to something resembling the correct time. The only concern with thatH is the daylight saving time shifts and the changing (or, more precicely,, not changing) of the relevant logical names.  F I now regret accepting the default for this when going through the FISE setup. I seem to recall thinking somthing like, "well, how hard couldtF it be?" at the time. Technically, I suppose it isn't actually all thatF hard - but I'm pretty sure that nuking phase-V and installing phase-IVE would have been less time consuming. At least I can now claim to have F some basic understanding of DTSS and NCL, for all the good it does me., (I suspect that I'd be happier not knowing.)   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 10:28:58 +0100e  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>) Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printere+ Message-ID: <VA.00000381.0059ad30@sture.ch>e  B In article <3AEC9302.6D4F4470@wasd.vsm.com.au>, Mark Daniel wrote:   [snip] > H > On a related topic, we have no DTSS server on our site and all systemsD > constantly commenting via OPCOM that there are too few servers outJ > there.  Again (and I know I could scurry through the documentation here,I > but while I'm typing someone might have a one-line solution) any ideas?  > J Someone suggested disabling DTSS completely. Here's an alternative method 6 which leaves DTSS running and suppresses the messages.  5 $ COPY SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]NET$EVENT_LOCAL.TEMPLATE - . SYS$COMMON[SYSMGR]*.COMd  & Edit it to insert the following lines:  ' ! block dtss "too few servers" messages1 !'8 block event dispatcher outbound stream * global filter --       ((node,dtss), Too Few Servers detected)l  J Whilst you are there, review other suggested items in that file to see if  you wish to uncomment them.f   ___t
 Paul Sture Switzerlando   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:40:18 +0100e+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> ) Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printera' Message-ID: <3AEED8E2.D50B427A@iee.org>f   Carl Perkins wrote:iB > Ah, the saga of DTSS... It is quite an adventure, and the ending# > isn't as happy as one might hope.a  D > There appears to be a way of disabling it that could be considered > supported: > F > In the file SYS$STARTUP:DTSS$STARTUP.COM, the first thing it does isG > check to see if the logical NET$DISABLE_DTSS is defined in the systemrE > table. If it is, then the startup immediately exits and DTSS is notLF > started. To nip DTSS in the bud, you can make sure that this logicalH > is defined before it tries to start it (SYLOGICALS.COM would be a fine	 > place).U  < Must be a new one. Or maybe I should start reading the docs,6 but I've managed without for so long I'd hate to break a bad habit :-)o  C > Another option is to make (at least) one node a server and change1A > the number of servers required on all of them to a suitable low.D > number. If you try this and the new server complains that it can'tD > find a global server, then you have the same problem I had and youE > will discover that the documentation is incorrect. What you need tohG > do is set your DTSS server's "DECnet Courier Role" to be "noncourier".@ > instead of "backup courier". Note that the in-NCL help and theF > documentation on the documentation CD both claim that this would be,E > in NCL, a "set dtss courier role noncourier". This turned out to be I > wrong - it is "set dtss decnet courier role noncourier". It is possibleSJ > that this is because I'm not using their TCP/IP Services, using MultinetF > instead, but that "decnet" in there was needed in spite of not beingC > mentioned in the help or documentation - it is, however, what theiC > parameter is called in the "show dtss all" output (which is why IeA > eventually tried it). The help also indicates that "noncourier"xH > is the default, which is not correct - the default is "backup courier"G > (perhaps it is a relative of Stanley Tweedle, former Assistant BackupeF > Deputy Courier). The error message that you get is not even remotely > helpfull:x& > NCL>set dtss courier role noncourier > [...]n > Characteristicso5 >     constraint violation: Courier Role = NonCourierl > D > Uh, "constraint violation"? How about "no such parameter"? Or even* > "that's not what it's called, you bozo"?  5 It's been long enough that I have forgotten the exactu4 details (plus I no longer have access to the MSLs so/ I cannot check) but there is more than one DTSSl1 "implementation" in the architecture. One was forI3 DECnet and one was for "something else" which neveri1 actually happened. (It's no secret, I just forgeto4 exactly what it was for). DECnet shipped a pre-built0 NCL$GLOBALSECTION that used the "something else"5 variant of the DTSS syntax. DECnis, WR90, X25 GatewayC1 and a few other bits and pieces chose to rebuild d1 from the master MSLs every time a kit was built.  3 So if you installed one of these other products you 0 ended up with a "correct" NCL$GLOBALSECTION that/ did not exactly match what the DECnet code was r+ expecting. The upshot was that some obscurea. DTSS commands did not work. No-one used these 0 commands so no-one noticed the problem ... until2 one day someone, somewhere went and read a manual!  0 Simply updating DECnet to use the "correct" MSLs0 and rebuilding NCL$GLOBALSECTION without the old8 hack for the "something else" variant would have worked 6 but would also have messed up existing systems. So for5 backwards compatibility you end up with the situation  you have above.n  6 I'm confused now, so I'll stop ... use the logical :-)   >  > If you do it right, you get:- > NCL>set dtss decnet courier role noncourieri > [...]i > Characteristics  > 4 >     DECnet Courier Role               = NonCourier > D > which doesn't actually mention that it worked, as such, but that's# > better than when it doesn't work.   & NCL is like that. It's showing you the+ new characteristic so you'll know what it'sl set to now.m  C > Oddly enough, the "constraint violation" is not, for some unknown E > reason, the same thing as "no such parameter", as you can see here:/ > NCL>set dtss foobar dummyp- > %NCL-E-INVALIDCOMMAND, unrecognized commandy > set dtss \foobar\ dummyl  8 Constraint violation is exactly what it says on the tin:4 you violated a constraint (in this case you probably4 cannot change the DECnet Courier Role characteristic2 without disabling and enabling the entity, in this case DTSS).a   Antoniof   -- n   ---------------y- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:41:51 -0400. From: "John Jemiolo" <john.jemiolo@compaq.com>) Subject: Re: Decserver 100,PS0801ENG.SYS?s0 Message-ID: <2ayH6.389$5I.7434@news.cpqcorp.net>  	 Get it at   ( ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/DecServer/  J The decserver will MOP load the image,  make sure you place the  .sys fileJ in the mop load directory of your VMS system and have mop loading enabled.   JJ    5 "Martin Brenner" <Martin@Brenner.de> wrote in messaget) news:9cl7g3$90e$07$1@news.t-online.com...  > Greetings! >aK > I recently found an ancient DECserver 100 which appears to work fine, andt myI > mop trace shows it needs to download PS0801ENG.SYS. Given the fact thisrI > thing is so old, could a kind soul please help me out with this file oro tell > me where to find it? >r	 > Thanks,a	 > -Martint >m >i   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 17:02:56 +0200* From: "Martin Brenner" <Martin@Brenner.de>) Subject: Re: Decserver 100,PS0801ENG.SYS?f/ Message-ID: <9cmki5$u9b$00$1@news.t-online.com>y  / "John Jemiolo" <john.jemiolo@compaq.com> wrote:    > Get it ate >i* > ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/DecServer/ >tL > The decserver will MOP load the image,  make sure you place the  .sys fileL > in the mop load directory of your VMS system and have mop loading enabled.  J Thanks for the hint John! Unfortunately that is PR0801ENG.SYS which is forJ the DECServer 200, but two kind souls helped me out with the correct file, and its working fine.    Thanks!  -Martino   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 13:27:19 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>C) Subject: Re: Decserver 100,PS0801ENG.SYS?c" Message-ID: <3aeef1f0@news.si.com>  
 >Get it at > ) >ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/DecServer/E  I Of course, that's not the most recent one that was released.  That one islJ BL37.  The newest one that was released was BL37B, which can be found on aA very early CONDIST (prior to 1994; I don't any that old on hand).s --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comsA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comm= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventt< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 06:16:11 GMT  From: adroso@home.com (ADR)C* Subject: Re: Easy Multinet ftp question...: Message-ID: <3aee5182.430991507@news.jamison1.pa.home.com>   Scott,  / Maybe this will work (worth a try, I think) ...t  0 $ MONTH = f$cvtime("TODAY","COMPARISON","MONTH"), $ DAY = f$cvtime("TODAY","COMPARISON","DAY")/ $ filname = "widget_charges.dat_" + month + dayt! $ OPEN/WRITE TMP_FILE FTP_TMP.COMf $ WRITE TMP_FILE -? "$ ftp/noprompt/user='userid'/password='password' ftp.acme.com"c $ WRITE TMP_FILE -
 "cd download"" $ WRITE TMP_FILE -C "get y013.dat " + filename     ! note: space between .dat and quotes $ WRITE TMP_FILE - "quit" $ CLOSE TMP_FILE
 $ @FTP_TMP $ DEL FTP_TMP.COM; $ EXIT   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:25:45 GMTv$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>* Subject: Re: Easy Multinet ftp question...) Message-ID: <3AEE736D.27FFD947@wi.rr.com>D   Dohhhh!a  O I violated the "Prime Directive" of c.o.v:  Always provide your VMS version....  ;^)s  A The system in question is running OpenVMS 7.2-1 and Multinet 4.3.l  C I never thought of using copy/ftp.  Thanks for the neat idea, Hoff.e   -Scott Vieth :^)   Hoff Hoffman wrote:c  R > In article <3AEE27F8.90B0F725@wi.rr.com>, Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> writes: >a; > :I want to do something like this in a command procedure:  > .. > :$ ftp...t > :cd download > :get y013.dat 'filename' > :quit 	 > :$ exita > :aD > :When I try to run this com, the Multinet ftp client chokes on the7 > :single-ticks around the filename in the get command.  >kH >   As it should.  DCL is the mechanism for symbol substitution, and DCLJ >   substitution is not expected in most other contexts.  Put another way,J >   if you want symbol substitution, then the command line must be read inJ >   by and processed by DCL itself, and not by some other utility or tool. > - > :Is there an easy solution to this problem?f > F >   I'd suggest using COPY/FTP.  (Since you don't mention your OpenVMSF >   version, I'll assume you have at least OpenVMS V6.2 and an OpenVMSG >   V6.2 updated/compliant version of MultiNet -- both are required forTE >   COPY/FTP.)  Since you can perform the entire operation at the DCLtJ >   dollar ($) prompt using COPY/FTP, you can use DCL symbol substitution. >iD >   This topic and various other DCL-isms are covered in the OpenVMS' >   User's Guide and in the DCL book...  >BP >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 1 MAY 2001 14:51:08 GMTe+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>r* Subject: Re: Easy Multinet ftp question...1 Message-ID: <1MAY01.14510898@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>n  % Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> wrote:  > Hi:  >  t: > I want to do something like this in a command procedure:2 > $ MONTH = f$cvtime("TODAY","COMPARISON","MONTH"). > $ DAY = f$cvtime("TODAY","COMPARISON","DAY")2 > $ filename = "widget_charges.dat_" + month + day? > $ ftp/noprompt/user='userid'/password='password' ftp.acme.comt
 > cd downloadl > get y013.dat 'filename'  > quit > $ exit  ? In addition to the COPY/FTP and temporary .COM suggestions, you D can do the following (command wrapped for 80 col terminal sessions):  M $  ftp/noprompt/user='userid'/password='password' ftp.acme.com cd download \;      get y013.dat 'filename'd  L The 2 things to note here are (1) MultiNet ftp can accept a 2nd parameter onF the command line which is an ftp command and (2) that parameter can be2 multiple commands if you separate them using "\;".   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVtH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 13:31:24 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>i* Subject: Re: Easy Multinet ftp question...$ Message-ID: <3aeef2e5$1@news.si.com>  1 >$ MONTH = f$cvtime("TODAY","COMPARISON","MONTH")n- >$ DAY = f$cvtime("TODAY","COMPARISON","DAY")e1 >$ filename = "widget_charges.dat_" + month + day > >$ ftp/noprompt/user='userid'/password='password' ftp.acme.com >cd download >get y013.dat 'filename' >quitm >$ exit  >tB >When I try to run this com, the Multinet ftp client chokes on the5 >single-ticks around the filename in the get command.s > + >Is there an easy solution to this problem?h   Yea.  How about:  L copy/ftp ftp.acme.com"''userid' ''password'"::"download/y013.dat" 'filename' --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comaA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comL= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventU< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 10:20:24 -0400 (EDT)c+ From: Lee Schultz <SCHULTZ@acs.wooster.edu>s% Subject: Re: Hacker challenge/Solaris 0 Message-ID: <01K31O6EX00I00CTV5@acs.wooster.edu>   Take a look at:T  3   http://www.sans.org/newlook/digests/newsbites.htmt  : How should one interpret the 23 April 2001 Editors' Notes?  M *****************************************************************************$ Lee Schultz M Assistant Director, Systems and Networking                   (330) 263 - 2242 M Academic Computing Services, College of Wooster        fax:  (330) 263 - 2444iM Wooster, Ohio  44691  USA                           SCHULTZ @ acs.WOOSTER.eduj   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 09:58:39 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comv% Subject: Re: Hacker challenge/SolariseD Message-ID: <OF1A60FBC0.0FE2F48E-ON88256A3F.005C9575@foundation.com>  - From "Article 3" on the subject on that page:s  c                       "The vulnerability that allows you to create shell accounts on some X86 boxestk                          running certain versions of Solaris is known in the cracking underground. It's nothc                          widely used because the combination of that system and server isn't hugelytl                          prevalent. I don't think it's been officially reported on any security lists," said0                          veteran cracker Taltos.  E Ok, I'm confused. How can a flaw in the x86 architecture allow you tobG create shell accounts in a Unix? Andrew, can you point us to Sun's CERNm' alert for this so we can read up a bit?l   Shanei          ? Lee Schultz <SCHULTZ@acs.wooster.edu> on 05/01/2001 07:20:24 AM   7 Please respond to Lee Schultz <SCHULTZ@acs.wooster.edu>    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comd cc:   & Subject:  Re: Hacker challenge/Solaris     Take a look at:e  3   http://www.sans.org/newlook/digests/newsbites.htmc  : How should one interpret the 23 April 2001 Editors' Notes?  M *****************************************************************************    Lee Schultz H Assistant Director, Systems and Networking                   (330) 263 - 2242H Academic Computing Services, College of Wooster        fax:  (330) 263 - 2444= Wooster, Ohio  44691  USA                           SCHULTZ @e acs.WOOSTER.edut   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:26:39 -0500 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>1P Subject: RE: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the	blameL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1DE5@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]i   > Christopher Smith wrote:  > > > You do realize they'd be out of work... Argus makes their  > living providing? > > for Unix what is already inherent in VMS.  As far as I can c > tell there isn't< > > much there that VMS hasn't already got, AFAICT.  On the  > other hand, if Argus9 > > wants to port it to intel architecture... that would   > certainly make some  > > people happy.t  > > Since the exploit in question made use of a facility/featureB > of the x86 architecture which does not exist on other processors@ > trying to claim that this somehow proves OpenVMS's rock solid  > security is pretty pointless.:  J Haha -- Andrew, I seriously never even thought of the exploit.  When I wasH job hunting recently, before I accepted my current position at Amdocs, IG applied with Argus.  I did some looking into their product too.  PleaselL don't assume that everyone is out to get you. :)  (In fact, forget about the5 exploit for a minute, it doesn't even matter here...)e  F My observation is that a lot of what it adds to Unix, VMS has already.I ACLs, a "privilege" system, tighter buffer-overflow checking... etc.  VMSrJ has these things, so it would be pretty pointless for Argus to work on it,3 since you can't add something that's already there.E  ? > Can you guarantee that OpenVMS if running on x86 would be anyw> > more or less vunerable to this kind of attack than Solaris, 
 > Linux etc. h  K No.  I only said that it would "make some people happy."  Take another looktK at my post above.  My statement about porting VMS to the intel architectureeK was a joke along the lines of "that's the only thing they could do with it,-0 since their 'enhancements' are already present."   Regards,   Chrism  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developerg Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");i '    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:49:26 +0100s0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>P Subject: Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame* Message-ID: <3AEEDB06.F5972C5A@uk.sun.com>   David Beatty wrote:o > 5 > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:54:52 +0100, andrew harrisone# > <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:u >  > >David Beatty wrote: > >>8 > >> On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:00:00 +0100, andrew harrison& > >> <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: > >> > >> >David Mathog wrote:M > >> >> e > >> >> In article <3AE83385.5583F8C2@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:t	 > >> >> > * > >> >> >OpenVMS is also not secure unless2 > >> >> >patched. Timely patching and notification4 > >> >> >of patches is just as important for OpenVMS# > >> >> >as it is for any other OS.b	 > >> >> >t > >> >>nP > >> >> A classic piece of FUD - containing a tiny nugget of truth on the top of! > >> >> huge steaming pile of BS.l > >> >>  > >> >2 > >> >I won't asnwer the long rant except to point. > >> >out that the hack was a DOS attack not a. > >> >security violation. Since you seem happy+ > >> >to make the distinction between a DOSu0 > >> >attack and a security violation in OpenVMS2 > >> >it is only fair to do the same with Solaris. > >> >7 > >> >And if this is the case then OpenVMS if connectedn2 > >> >to the net using its bundled IP stack has to2 > >> >be patched to ensure that it isn't vunerable! > >> >to a number of DOS attacks.a > >> > > >>@ > >> Andrew, do you realize the DOS Ping-of-Death attack applies@ > >> to UCX V4.0 and V4.1 only, which are no longer supported byA > >> Compaq (with the exception noted below)?  Supported releasesi4 > >> are V5.1, V5.0 with ECO 2, and V4.2 with ECO 4. > >> > > 5 > >Do you realise that POD is only one of a number of 9 > >denial of service attacks that UCX has been vunerable.s > >B4 > >POD was the first, Land/Teardrop/Smurf/Naptha all > >followed on afterwards. > >u >  >     Teardrop/Landi > = >     According to the CERT advisory, Digital TCP/IP Servicesv% > is not affected by this DOS attack.  >   1 The CERT advisory is wrong since there is a patcht0 for it for UCX. The exploit pre-dates the patch.   >     Smurfb > @ >     While Digital TCP/IP Services is affected by this DOS, theF > correction can be (and should be) implemented at the router level -- > see the CISCO entry for this.h >   1 This may be the case for UCX but other os's have e. OS level fixes. People do use Sun's and other  machines as routers themselves.c   Regards  Andrew Harrisons Enterprise IT ArchitectL   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:54:21 +0100n0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>O Subject: Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets theblamei* Message-ID: <3AEEDC2D.C2FFBD26@uk.sun.com>   Christopher Smith wrote: >  > > -----Original Message-----+ > > From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospame > I > > Perhaps someone from this group should contact Argus and suggest somee/ > > different operating system for them to use.. > L > You do realize they'd be out of work... Argus makes their living providingM > for Unix what is already inherent in VMS.  As far as I can tell there isn'tdN > much there that VMS hasn't already got, AFAICT.  On the other hand, if ArgusJ > wants to port it to intel architecture... that would certainly make some > people happy.o >   < Since the exploit in question made use of a facility/feature@ of the x86 architecture which does not exist on other processors> trying to claim that this somehow proves OpenVMS's rock solid  security is pretty pointless.   = Can you guarantee that OpenVMS if running on x86 would be anyr< more or less vunerable to this kind of attack than Solaris,  Linux etc. k     regards 
 > Regards, >  > Chrisc > # > Christopher Smith, Perl Developero > Amdocs - Champaign, IL >  > /usr/bin/perl -e 'A > print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");r > 'r   -- o Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architectm   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:37:01 GMTuB From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>( Subject: Re: InfoServer and LAD Protocol6 Message-ID: <N5yH6.5213$SZ5.416211@www.newsranger.com>  , On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:44:21 GMT, in article9 <9TeH6.341$5I.6763@news.cpqcorp.net>, Hoff Hoffman wrote:- >yA >  There is a rather low likelyhood that OpenVMS Engineering will-@ >  develop (and even less likelyhood of support of) LAD clients $ >  for platforms other than OpenVMS. >j  B In the hobbyist case, the interest is generally in a LAD _server_.  I >  AFAIK, there are no plans to release LAD/LAST protocol specifications.  >hD >  AFAIK, there are no plans to release LAD/LAST client source code. >   E The reason why some people (myself included) were interested in these.H protocols is that older VAXen that are given as hobbyist machines do notK come with a CD-ROM drive. If the specification had been available, we could H have easily done an implementation on (for example) Linux, so a PC would0 have been able to serve the installation CD-ROM.  M Thanks for letting those of us interested in this know the current situation.e   Simon.   -- w; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP-J 'The statement that "it can never happen" is not an acceptable programmingH approach. You must assume it can happen and be in control when it does.'=           -- Ada 95 Quality and Style Guidelines, US DoD AJPOe   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:06:36 GMT.& From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> Subject: KVM Switchl> Message-ID: <gFxH6.154128$o9.20894500@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>  L Is anyone familiar with this?   It allows you to connect the Keyboard, VideoK and Mouse from several host systems to one side of the switch, and a single I keyboard, video terminal and mouse to the other.  You then manage severalnJ host systems from one console monitor.   Does this work for VMS (Alpha VMS) 7.2-1 if that makes a difference) systemsT   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 13:47:45 +0100' From: "Tony Boman" <Tony_Boman@bmc.com>e Subject: Re: KVM Switch / Message-ID: <tetc5lgr9t2m36@corp.supernews.com>   G I have an Alphaserver 800 connected to a Belkin KVM switch along with a G Linux box and a Netware box. They all coexist quite happily on the KVM.a   Tony B.y  1 "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message)8 news:gFxH6.154128$o9.20894500@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...H > Is anyone familiar with this?   It allows you to connect the Keyboard, VideooF > and Mouse from several host systems to one side of the switch, and a singleK > keyboard, video terminal and mouse to the other.  You then manage several L > host systems from one console monitor.   Does this work for VMS (Alpha VMS+ > 7.2-1 if that makes a difference) systemso >A >C >u   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:52:38 -0400. From: "John Jemiolo" <john.jemiolo@compaq.com> Subject: Re: KVM Switch,0 Message-ID: <9kyH6.390$5I.7603@news.cpqcorp.net>  I Yes they work, I use a 4-port Raritan in my office to connect to a  IntelwJ PC(W95), XP1000 alpha(Linux) and a DS20E(VMS)     (I use a VMS keyboard to connect to all)$  F You need a box that provides keyboard/mouse emulation for non selectedJ channels so the systems will power on correctly, and prevent phantom hangs when switched out.  J The raritan uses special cables, but I have a 4 port box at home that usesL standard PS2 cables which are much cheaper.  KVM switches with emulation can- be found at most computer shows for under $70tE That's where I bought the one at my house, also much cheaper than the3 raritan($500).   JJ  1 "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message"8 news:gFxH6.154128$o9.20894500@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...H > Is anyone familiar with this?   It allows you to connect the Keyboard, VideouF > and Mouse from several host systems to one side of the switch, and a singleK > keyboard, video terminal and mouse to the other.  You then manage severaltL > host systems from one console monitor.   Does this work for VMS (Alpha VMS+ > 7.2-1 if that makes a difference) systemso >o >  >g   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:29:55 -0700/ From: "Marc Chametzky" <Marc.Chametzky@Sun.Com>  Subject: Re: KVM Switchf1 Message-ID: <9cmkjd$6ia$1@westnews1.West.Sun.COM>   1 "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in messageL8 news:gFxH6.154128$o9.20894500@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...H > Is anyone familiar with this?   It allows you to connect the Keyboard, VideosF > and Mouse from several host systems to one side of the switch, and a singleK > keyboard, video terminal and mouse to the other.  You then manage severalgL > host systems from one console monitor.   Does this work for VMS (Alpha VMS+ > 7.2-1 if that makes a difference) systemsO  A I use one at home (a Belkin OmniCube) connected to two PCs and anq AlphaStation 200 4/166.)  F The keyboard and monitor switch just fine for the most part, but I hadK trouble with my mouse. It would work fine on the Alpha, but my PC would getc' upset when the mouse disappeared on it.n  K The only problem I've had is that if my PC is locked up, sometimes I cannot-D switch away from it (either by using <ScrollLock><ScrollLock># or byH pressing the [Select] button on the OmniCube) without resetting my PC or3 disconnecting the keyboard cable from the OmniCube.:   --Marc   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 09:45:12 -0700f! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com. Subject: Re: KVM SwitchgD Message-ID: <OF1FFBC9BF.BE715501-ON88256A3F.005BF66C@foundation.com>  J I've had success with a little 4-port Belkin KVM switch on an AlphaStation 200.   Shane,          8 john nixon <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> on 05/01/2001 05:06:36 AM  0 Please respond to john nixon <jnixon@cfl.rr.com>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comp cc:r   Subject:  KVM Switch    F Is anyone familiar with this?   It allows you to connect the Keyboard, VideoTK and Mouse from several host systems to one side of the switch, and a single I keyboard, video terminal and mouse to the other.  You then manage severalaJ host systems from one console monitor.   Does this work for VMS (Alpha VMS) 7.2-1 if that makes a difference) systemsn   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 10:09:06 -0700)! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comm Subject: Re: KVM SwitchmD Message-ID: <OF9D1D74DC.5062AACB-ON88256A3F.005D7026@foundation.com>  J My experiments indicate that only certain motherboards lose the mouse whenI it's disconnected by the switch, and it's usually intermittant. WNT makesyI it worse (W98 is more forgiving), as does a wheel mouse. A wheel mouse onwK WNT on a susceptible motherboard is the worst combination. Compaq PC's seemeK to be OK, but Dell Optiplexes have problems with wheel mice. My Alpha nevercH seems to have a problem whatever I plug in. I've stopped using my switch; now though, the slight video degradation was getting to me.d  J I'd suggest checking with the shop that they'll take the switch back if itJ doesn't do the job for you, and trying it with your configuration. Give itF a couple of days of stress test, and if one of your machines loses its mouse, take the switch back.   Shaneb          A Marc Chametzky <Marc.Chametzky@Sun.Com> on 05/01/2001 08:29:55 AMl  9 Please respond to Marc Chametzky <Marc.Chametzky@Sun.Com>_   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma cc:    Subject:  Re: KVM Switch    1 "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in messager8 news:gFxH6.154128$o9.20894500@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...H > Is anyone familiar with this?   It allows you to connect the Keyboard, VideocF > and Mouse from several host systems to one side of the switch, and a singleK > keyboard, video terminal and mouse to the other.  You then manage severalhH > host systems from one console monitor.   Does this work for VMS (Alpha VMSo+ > 7.2-1 if that makes a difference) systemst  A I use one at home (a Belkin OmniCube) connected to two PCs and ans AlphaStation 200 4/166.*  F The keyboard and monitor switch just fine for the most part, but I hadK trouble with my mouse. It would work fine on the Alpha, but my PC would get-' upset when the mouse disappeared on it.e  K The only problem I've had is that if my PC is locked up, sometimes I cannot D switch away from it (either by using <ScrollLock><ScrollLock># or byH pressing the [Select] button on the OmniCube) without resetting my PC or3 disconnecting the keyboard cable from the OmniCube.    --Marc   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 12:52:53 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>T$ Subject: Re: LPD/LPR printers on VMS$ Message-ID: <3aeee9de$1@news.si.com>  7 >I need to have to set up a VAX 7.2-1 system to use twor@ >HP printers (directly connected to the network), and it appears; >that VMS will not allow an IP address for the network name ; >in the setup (it wants a name that it can run through DNS)   K Nonsense.  What IP stack are you using?  What symbiont are you using?  With K the proper combination of these two, you can have IP addresses in the queuew definition.r --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comyA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.coml= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent0< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 13:15:25 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>o4 Subject: Re: MIME Encoder on OpenVMS in C available?$ Message-ID: <3aeeef25$1@news.si.com>  L >Does anyone know where I can get source code for a MIME encoder on OpenVMS?  L First get MPACK V1.5 from ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/mail/mpack/ then apply the changes found at? http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu:8000/pub/pickup/VMS_MPACK_1_5.TAR   ? You can also use the MIME command.  See MCR MIME HELP OVERVIEW.- --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comeA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comw= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventF< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 09:53:02 GMTr' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>e Subject: Re: mozilla .81- Message-ID: <3AEE8720.E8C2639B@theblakes.com>S  t Double check the file/directory protections. I've seen cases before where lack of access to one of the MozIlla filesB causes this sort of a problem (though to be honest, not recently).  p The other thing to check is quotas. Look for differences between the privileged and non-privileged accounts. See[ http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/mozilla_relnotes.html#param for details.e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 13:51:30 -04008 From: "Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@islandco.com>$ Subject: Notice: 433au's Almost gone/ Message-ID: <tettq2ch90uc1b@news.supernews.com>     We have 5 left out of 34 systems  < If you are thinking about buying one - call or email us soon  = We cannot guarantee there'll be any left if you take too long    David Td   -- Island Computers US Corporationr 2700 Gregory Streeto	 Suite 150d Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622p Fax: 912 201 0096i sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:40:35 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!* Message-ID: <3AEED8F3.C38D6180@uk.sun.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 	 > Andrew,  > M > The point I made was valid ie. the raw numbers of the systems posted on theaK > external web site are newer versions of HW (EV68 833Mhz) than the systemsaJ > that were used (EV67 677Mhz) in the posted streams results at that time. > L > Now, I was going to state that only when the new numbers are posted, wouldN > you have a valid point, but I just checked and the new ES40 EV68 numbers are. > now posted and do not show much improvement. > G > So, I agree with you. I will raise this as something that needs to be,N > revisited. However, all I can do is point this out to the appropriate CompaqH > folks and the decision will be up to them as to what action they take. > I > >>> And you are entitled to call Sun on that and raise doubts about the / > number, until we publish a STREAMS result.<<<i > N > In the meantime, to make sure we both play by the same rules... While I haveG > no doubt they are coming soon, can you give us an idea as to when thekN > advertised 9.2Gb streams numbers will be available for the new Sun 3800/4800
 > servers? >   4 No idea and as I said you are welcome to call us on  this claim.   3 Its just a pity you didn't bother reading your own  2 white papers before contributing to this thread it2 would have saved you and your supporters a load of( wasted time not to mention embarassment.   Regards 
 > Regards, >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > Compaq Canada Inc. > Professional Servicesu > Voice: 613-592-4660l > Fax  :  819-772-7036 > Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com >  > -----Original Message-----9 > From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]c > Sent: April 30, 2001 8:05 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu: > Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line! >  > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > 
 > > Andrew ..> > >> > > Sensitive these days eh ?O > >S > > :-)c > >  > > Hey, I agreed with you ! > >I > > Heres my statement:pG > > "Anyway, I do agree with you that the we should have a more currents	 > streams N > > number available that correlates closer to currently available systems and! > > will see what I can find out.o > >e, > > Thank you for kindly pointing this out." > >e > 0 > Come on Kerry you knew it was there, you could. > not have been stupid enough to only read the+ > first 3 paragraphs of the white paper your > used as reference. > ) > And as you can see from the white paperB& > your own technical peoples advice is& > to ignore RAW numbers and instead to! > go for STREAMS numbers instead.  > $ > On that basis your own white paper# > says that your claim of 5.2 GB isf% > BS, get used to it or get the whiteE) > papers authors to withdraw the article.t >  > vfN > > Again, even if a new EV68 number does not reflect the raw bandwidth numberM > > that is on the web site (and yes I agree with you that is not necessarily  > am* > > good thing), what about the Sun site ? > >  > < > What about Sun's site. We are discussing your BS not Sun's. > so why are you trying to change the subject. > < > What is at issue is your claims of falsehood and wrongness$ > not anything that Sun has claimed. > I > > Can you let us know where the 9.6Gb streams numbers are for these newn- > > servers that are posted on the Sun site ?cM > > http://www.sun.com/servers/midrange/comparison.html (System bus bandwidths > > 9.6Gb sustained) > >u > ; > And you are entitled to call Sun on that and raise doubtss6 > about the number, until we publish a STREAMS result. > 8 > The problem is you have published a STREAMS result for4 > the ES40 and on that basis there is no support for3 > you claim of 5.2 GB/s since the STREAMS number iso0 > almost exactly 50% of your claimed RAW number. > B > > As far as I could see, the only ones posted are older servers:L > > Machine ID                      ncpus    COPY    SCALE      ADD    TRIADL > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------L > > Sun_UE_6000_assembly              16   2551.0   2449.9   2434.6   2434.9 > >e > 4 > Great example because it only serves to illustrate5 > the difference between Compaq marketing BS and whatV/ > Sun says about the capability of our systems.  > 3 > http://www.sun.com/960416/wp/wp.ultra.server.htmlb > 6 > Details the performance of the E6000 backplane, read6 > the claimed performance of the backplane. We claimed4 > 2.5 GB/s and thats almost exactly what the STREAMS > result is. > 4 > You are claiming 5.2 GB/s despite a STREAMS result. > of half this and a white paper from your own4 > techical people arguing that RAW bandwidth numbers	 > are BS.- > 0 > How much longer are you going to go on digging
 > for ???? > 	 > regards  > Andrew Harrisonv > Enterprise IT Architect    -- : Andrew Harrisonn Enterprise IT ArchitectD   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:54:16 -050010 From: Patrick Spinler <spinler.patrick@mayo.edu>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS Freeware V5.0 On-line( Message-ID: <3AEEEA38.EC28856B@mayo.edu>  ? I'm getting a "404 not found" error trying to access any of theA subdirectories.r   -- Pat   Hoff Hoffman wrote:j > G >   Both OpenVMS Freeware V5.0 -- the version of Freeware shipping withAJ >   OpenVMS V7.3 -- and the older Freeware V4.0 are now available on-line: > - >     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/i > H >   Please keep your Freeware V4.0 disks, V5.0 is very different -- withI >   the volume of new and of updated submissions, there was rather littlemF >   room for carrying forward most (unmodified) submissions from V4.0. > F >   And yes, OpenVMS.Freeware@Compaq.Com is still the email address toI >   send any Freeware submissions for the next release.  As for schedule,nK >   the next release of the Freeware will probably be shipping out a couple B >   of months after the OpenVMS DII COE release (V7.2-6C1?) ships. > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------L >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comP >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   -- o?       This message does not represent the policies or positionsy1 	     of the Mayo Foundation or its subsidiaries.h3   Patrick Spinler			email:	Spinler.Patrick@Mayo.EDUn'   Mayo Foundation			phone:	507/284-9485s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 07:52:38 -0400 - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>f Subject: Re: OpenVMS V7.3 Shipsh( Message-ID: <3AEEA385.3697B60E@ohio.edu>  L I took this to mean, "shipped by the developers to the Software DistributionA Center" (SDC, usually translated as the "Software Delay Center").u  #                                 RDPt     john nixon wrote:e  M > Has this (shipping VMS 7.3)  been officially posted anywhere?   Where might N > I find the release notes or new features documentation?  Does this mean thatN > VMS 7.2-1 has one year of top level support left?   Finally, can you clue meL > in to what this VMS 7.2-2 that I occasionally hear about on this board is? >l > [snip]   > >t   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 10:58:51 -0400- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>JG Subject: Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98-4 Message-ID: <3bAH6.233064$Z2.2461144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  7 "Anthony J Mullen" <a-mullen@uiuc.edu> wrote in messagen+ news:3ae9c8d0.58108970@news.cso.uiuc.edu...E > Hey -  >u7 > Here I am again.  I'm attempting to make a copy of ant OpenVMS-readable > CD.s >...  A My copy of Charon-VAX just expired, but when I get a working copylA again I may try to see if it will work with my parallel port CDR.s  * - Create a virtual disk on the VMS system. - FTP it to the PC.dD - Edit the Charon-VAX INI file to point to the new disk and to point	 to the CD . - Use a VMS tool (CDRECORD?) to record the CD.    Anyone else try it before?a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 13:01:52 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>y* Subject: Re: source code tracking software$ Message-ID: <3aeeebf8$1@news.si.com>  E >I have a VAX (5.5-4) running CMS. Can I transfer the libraries to andH >Alpha running the CMS? What is the best recourse if the CMS software is >dropped? Any ideas?  I For certain projects, my company is undergoing a migration from CMS on anMJ OpenVMS VAX system to Merant's PVCS on PCs.  The miration hasn't been that
 difficult. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comhA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comg= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventn< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 06:02:58 GMTs From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>! Subject: Re: Sync Comm - PCI Cardb' Message-ID: <3AEE5192.B41696BA@home.nl>e  J How very odd. These products are still on their web site. I requested someM clarification about the cabling for these adapters, and got an answer. But no  mentioning about end-of-life.uL These adapters are not very expensive ( appr. $1500), so even if you have toN replace them in a few years for a new type because these are end-of-life, thatL is not so very bad. They are the only WAN adapters you can (try to) get from Compaq at the moment. D And of course they didn't make VMS drivers for them, Compaq did :-))   Regards,   Dirk   john nixon wrote:<  - > "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in messagee# > news:3AEBCCA2.D3F7942F@home.nl...e > >n > >P > > G > > And if you can't get them from Compaq, you can always get them from-	 > Emulex.- > >-% > > http://www.emulex.com/dcp/xp.html  > >f > > Success. > >t > > Dirk > >. > >jG > Here is the answer I got from emulex about the synchronous PCI cards:C >uN > **************************************************************************** > ************* L > John, unfortunately Emulex's WAN adapters were end-of-lifed last year.  WeI > never offered drivers, either. There is no replacement product offered.iL > Emulex is strictly manufacturing fibre channel PCI host adapters and hubs. > Sorry. >c > Rose Mesnard > Emulex Sales Support   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 10:10:14 -0600 (MDT)e" From: John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com>5 Subject: Transition to multipath with rolling reboot? F Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0105010920120.9696-100000@athena.csdco.com>  B The object is to transition to multipath without completely taking) down shadowsets and interrupting service.@  E There are two local VMS 7.2-1 computers, each with 4 SCSI controllersBI (KZPBA) and a remote disaster recovery computer with one.  The shadowsetse% are also served to a couple of VAXes.   C Of the 8 controllers, 4 were unused, the remaining 4 were connectede- together in pairs and thence to HSZ70 pairs.    I Of the 4xHSZ70 one pair was upgraded to HSZ80 last weekend.  I dismounted J all the disks on one HSZ pair, put in the new HSZs and wired them up, eachJ of the 4 HSZ ports to a separate KZPBA then rebuilt the shadowsets.  While5 that was going on, there was no service interruption.v  F The puzzle was to get multipath running.  To do that, I dismounted theJ shadowsets from all five computers, and shutdown both the server computersE connected to the HSZs and rebooted them.  That caused a brief services
 interruption.f  F I'd like to simplify that last step in upgrading the second HSZ pair -A reboot the two disk servers one at a time without dismounting thel shadowsets.s  G Anyone tried that?  RTFMed several times now and it doesn't say that it. will not work.   Thanks.   
 John Nebel   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:30:46 -0400. From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca>% Subject: UCX 4.2 to TCPIP 5.1 upgradeo4 Message-ID: <41yH6.232944$Z2.2459936@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  5 Does anyone have any good notes on going this upgrade   $ 1) Proper steps in their right order5 2) anything to watch out for, before during and aftero  K I am using 4.2 ECO 2 in OpenVMS 7.1-1h2 cluster on common system disk with:a   - ucx$* logicals defined - telnet login service
 - ftp service ) - telnet printers to dec terminal servers2 - LPD printer to NT shares - REXEC service for dec-windowsh" - SMTP/POP (and associated queues) - one node is backup DNS servert   - have pathworks 5.0F installede  H I have mapped out a plan but would like to know if the upgrade on top ofL converting the ucx$*.dat files will also create new SMTP queue names, changeK the telnet symbion name. LPD symbiont name etc. Or do I have to change theme	 manually.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 10:22:02 +0100-% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> L Subject: Re: What Oracle Database is supported by Open VMS? (ask the Oracle)8 Message-ID: <crvset8hnsd3nvqblqicbi8acbp8ea1b15@4ax.com>  F On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:44:27 -0600 (MDT), John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> wrote:   >m >Alan, >r7 >Oracle does seem to have trouble with its web sites :)t >pO >"Learn about Platform Technology Partnerships" under http://partner.oracle.com J >brings up a menu which will eventually get to the formerly easier to find. >information on what they have running on VMS.  F I followed that link but I just went back to the same page. When I tryE it now it works... However the pages still don't show up on an Oraclel web site search.     -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 09:17:08 GMTA+ From: "Nikita V. Belenki" <public@kits.net>0> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%: Message-ID: <oavH6.6334$Up.195001@sea-read.news.verio.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3AED6DDA.532F265D@videotron.ca...  I > While science can explain 99% of the varous bibles that exist on earth,i there > > is one thing which science has not yet attempted to explain:K > who created the universe ?  (I am not talking about the big bang, but thefB > universe as a whole which may have had many big bangs in various locations).pE > And more importantly, was it an entity outside of our time/location 	 dimensioneD > who was able to create an universe without any time or size limits (infinity) ?  E This logical fallacy is known as "the fallacy of the stolen concept". L Creation is a concept of a process *in* the universe (in time and space). IfD you are speaking about something *not* inside the universe, the word "creation" means nothing.o   Kit.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:10:03 GMT,. From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com>> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%< Message-ID: <vIxH6.46503$U4.10963855@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>  6 Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:vm3WEAVQ$wS$@eisner.encompasserve.org...t :  :rF > Scripture can't be understood nor accepted without the Spirit of God@ > being involved.  I would encourage you to read and re-read the > first 10 chapters of John. >o > Robc    J Please explain to us this theoretical "Spirit of God" that is required forI us to make a logical decision.  Where can I find a definition?  How can IIH learn to include it in a logical process?  Since so much is dependent onG this, I presume it is a well established set of physical facts, and not   cultural nor mythical in nature.  G And why do I need the "Spirit of God" to accept or understand what somee human monk wrote millenia ago?  K I presume, instead, that this is something that we are supposed to take "onSI faith" as being "divine" and therefore acts as a fallacious basis for any9 logical discussion.m   Aarona --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html> Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org/C "bash is what you do to your keyboard if you're not using OpenVMS."-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:14:32 GMT . From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com>> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%< Message-ID: <IMxH6.46507$U4.10965895@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>  6 Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:HqpOnUZp1kuy@eisner.encompasserve.org...l :h :tG > The word inspiration literally means "God-breathed" in the Greek. Ande becausetI > Scripture is breathed out by God, it is true and inerrant. Consider the. > following syllogism: >u/ >      Major Premise: God is true (Romans 3:4)., > G >      Minor Premise: God breathed out the Scriptures (2 Timothy 3:16).p > C >      Conclusion: Therefore, the Scriptures are true (John 17:17).k  K Major fallacy: the translation of a contemporary word in one language basedhJ upon it's roots in a foreign language not used in the creation of the text/ in question as the basis of a logical argument.h   Aarone --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html> Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org/C "bash is what you do to your keyboard if you're not using OpenVMS."r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:05:46 -0400 5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%2 Message-ID: <=aPuOp4EkkYBztbb3Kox32SgiDy8@4ax.com>  @ On 1 May 2001 02:30:36 GMT, system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu wrote:  . >Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com> writes:& >>system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu wrote: >:: >>> Any a-theistic morality is based on a set of premises. >mJ >>All moral systems are based on premises. The argument is which ones. 8-) >0H >From a human perspective, unless we can prove the existance of a sourceJ >of absolute knowledge of what is right and wrong (e.g. the Christian God) >you are right.h > < >>> But in the end, from an a-theistic worldview there is noD >>> absolute method for determining what set of premises is correct. >hF >>Oh yes there is. Objectivist morality is based on a provably correctG >>set of premises. By correct I mean one cannot disprove their validity % >>without using at least one of them.  >dK >The two serious philosophers I have discussed it with consider ObjectivismcD >(i.e. Randite "philosophy", there is something else in the world ofI >philosophy with a similar name) to be a second rate rehash of old ideas.eH >Not quite a quote but pretty close.  They also indicated that it wasn'tB >held in very high esteem in the philosophical community at large.  B That depends upon which philosophers you are talking about.  I canB think of several that hold many of Ayn Rand's ideas in high regard7 that don't necessarily agree with the whole philosophy;w2 Thomas Sowell, Tibor Machan, John Dolhenty (Modern: Realism), and E.G. Ross (http://www.objectiveamerican.com) immediately come to mind.m  ? While Ayn was by no means a goddess and many of the concepts oftB Objectivism should be properly revisited, she had a brilliant mind/ and produced a good deal of "food for thought".s   David R. Beattyf   >e: >In short if your sentence makes sense I doubt it is true. > E >>Notions of good and evil only apply to living beings. Rocks have non >>need for a morality. >e >And the relevance of this is? >w >Robert Morphism   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2001 08:57:37 -0500 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%3 Message-ID: <SKOqU1cpu1Bp@eisner.encompasserve.org>e   In article <Pine.SOL.4.10.10104301324220.19328-100000@rock.geology.yale.edu>, Mihali Felipe <mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu> writes:0 > There can be no meaningful talk about absolute > morality without God.   G I really don't want to do this, I told myself I'd contribute no more to * this thread in this newsgroup, but I will.   BULL.-  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupuE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinga   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:29:22 +0100p- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>r> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%) Message-ID: <3AEED652.34237D3B@bbc.co.uk>t   Bob Koehler wrote:   > In article <Pine.SOL.4.10.10104301324220.19328-100000@rock.geology.yale.edu>, Mihali Felipe <mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu> writes:2 > > There can be no meaningful talk about absolute > > morality without God.h >nI > I really don't want to do this, I told myself I'd contribute no more tor, > this thread in this newsgroup, but I will. >w > BULL.n  I Agreed. Did these people ever learn that Cartesianism is just a paradigm?   N Tim, who cancelled an earlier post to this thread, because it IS innaproriate.   >:   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukf  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofe MedAS or the BBC.A   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2001 09:48:03 CDT = From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.310887.killspam.0162 (Wayne Sewell) M Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% - WAAAAY OT!!! . Message-ID: <DjqDOZW9H$om@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  m In article <oU+7QkWqIEt0@eisner.encompasserve.org>, hamilton@encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:O > OMG - :-)r > 0 > Can this thread be taken to alt.religions.*??? >   I I very much apologize to the group for starting all this.  Ironically, mylL original point was that religion does not belong in a technical group in anyF form.  So then a full-blown discussion of theology starts.  Go figure.     -- -O ===============================================================================lM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx-: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)-O ===============================================================================eB Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?"+ Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"	   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:29:17 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>"M Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% - WAAAAY OT!!!6, Message-ID: <3AEEE456.EB06E298@videotron.ca>   Wayne Sewell wrote:oK > I very much apologize to the group for starting all this.  Ironically, my N > original point was that religion does not belong in a technical group in anyH > form.  So then a full-blown discussion of theology starts.  Go figure.   MAC vs Windows UNIX vs VMSn etc etc etce   They are all religions.   Q (Of course, those of the Windows religion are considered to be satan worshipers).u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 10:03:22 +0100s% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  Subject: Re: [OT] Religion8 Message-ID: <inuset8ksuhovdu69dp06cemaskdq33iah@4ax.com>  D On 30 Apr 2001 13:08:18 -0500, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote:     > : >	You can quickly de-volve to a bizarre belief system with, >	under-pinnings in anti-Christian teaching:  / Bizarre belief system? How about the following:0  D Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. IA have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share thatsD knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend@ the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that8 Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination.   F I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other specific& Biblical laws and how to follow them.     F a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates aC pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors.tB They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? B b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned inC Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair- price for her? M  C c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is inoC her period of menstrual uncleanness (Lev.15:19-24). The problem is, A how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. I  D d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male andF female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friendD of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can( you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?   B e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. ExodusE 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated  to kill him myself?   A f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is anr9 abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than 3 homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? o  B g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I> have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear readingF glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?   E h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hairo@ around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by  Lev.19:27. How should they die?   E i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes < me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?   > j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two> different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing@ garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester@ blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it reallyA necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town D together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them toF death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)     C I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confidenthA you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is* eternal and unchanging.   ! (C) Robert Anton Wilson (I think)n  + >http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/profile-s.htmi > M >Biographers have also uncovered Hubbard's involvement with the Occult, whichtK >probably influenced his writings. Hubbard claimed to have had a near-deathsN >experience where he learned everything that ever puzzled the mind of man. TheM >notorious Satanist, Aleister Crowley, was Hubbard's mentor and he lived withNI >Crowley protege John Parsons, engaging in sex magic at their black magict< >mansion hospice (Los Angeles T imes, 24 June 1990, p. A1).  >s >[snip and paste]e >iN >Because of the hundreds of unique terms in Scientology, the theology is oftenP >confusing to those who are new to the subject, and to those who have studied itN >for many years! According to Scientology, Man is, at the core of his being, aL >Thetan. Hubbard's Dianetics and Scientology: Technical Dictionary explains,K >"The Thetan is immortal and is possessed of capabilities well in excess of7K >those hitherto predicted for man. In the final analysis what is this thingdN >called Thetan? It is simply you before you mocked yourself up and that is theN >handiest definition I know of" (p. 432). The Thetan is thus that part of eachM >individual which is immortal and which has become contaminated or debased by  >the influences of MEST. d >hN >As another of Hubbard's books states, "By MEST is meant the physical universeN >of matter, energy, space, and time, as we know them in the physical sciences"N >(Science of Survival, Book Two, p. 264). Not only is the Thetan immortal, butM >also, "Hubbard discovered the means of separating the human personality fromnM >the body and mind. The Thetan has the power to create MEST, that is, matter,sJ >energy, space and time, or the basic stuff of existence" (Encyclopedia of& >American Religions, Vol. 2, p. 222).  >8M >Hence, Hubbard and Scientology would have America and the World believe thattN >Man is an immortal Thetan, able to create MEST. However, not all MEST is goodJ >MEST. Sometimes MEST comes into conflict with the Thetan, resulting in an	 >engram. o >rO >As Scientology endeavors to render this MEST mess intelligible they write, "AniO >engram comes about when the individual organism suffers an intense impact withdH >MEST. Every moment of physical pain contains with it a partial or majorL >shutdown of the analytical function of the mind" (Science of Survival, BookM >Two, p. 28). Thus, an engram is a memory which is caused when any accidentalwN >event (be it major or minor) is experienced. However, at the instant that theH >engram is formed, often the person is unaware of the event. How is this >possible?   >n >	---  >n >	etc. >nD >	Pseudo-religion with massive sprinklings of scientific mumbo-jumbo@ >	to peel money out of your pockets.  Period.  Surely, alternate  F And obviously we won't agre on this but the above describe my views on< almost all organized religions. However I am not an atheist.    / >	universes buried in there somewhere too , eh?n >n >				Rob   -- Alan   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.243 ************************ have trouble with its web sites :)t >pO >"Learn about Platform Techn'"%XOGN6*,.%CL>4!HB0"-GS<KY"2[IR6!A<6'Q6 =M;"(YT>.+\OD1F<O,QV:6+*7WX+'!XQW3^3RFV(KD/R.\FQ%(Q3O2S(JK_F(A7 =M$#[I+(0Y",Y1>@HZ$6<[L)BXN>BG.*93M);1LDI\3!RO!$,U[6_BY.==0```8 =M````8`F07I6QJ#6-E/P81M1'`S&P6/=O=SQE1W4ZG,A\J'RI:T+@/(C_6<Z? 9 =ML,:6?4)X\U'ONEF!D:JZ^\?5/A)33_0_2^EA5STE(J^697+9`@B`?,M"/0M040 =M-X(-$,G?1S=^5W$>K___^GY8<>UQ)AE+5W@XI9S36$!5__N@``(``[59VVDI
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