1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 02 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 245       Contents:. "%BACKUP-F-BUFFERSLOST, all buffers are lost"?5 Re: (Fwd) Re: VAX Just Stops - Not the Usual Suspects  Anonymous ftp on Multinet  Re: Anonymous ftp on Multinet * Re: Anyone got any Volker-Craig Terminals? Re: Capellas Knows VMS Re: Capellas Knows VMS RE: Capellas Knows VMS Re: DCL "library"  Re: DCL "library"  Re: DCL "library"  Re: DCL "library"  Re: DCL "library"  Re: DCL "library"  Re: DCL "library"  Re: DCL "library"   Re: DEC-C: calculated constants.  Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printer  Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printer. Re: DECwindows XFS (X font server) Motif 1.2-5 Re: DFU tool Vs. DFO Re: DFU tool Vs. DFO Re: DFU tool Vs. DFO Re: DFU tool Vs. DFO Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success  Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success  dialback telnet? Re: dialback telnet? Re: Hacker challenge/Solaris Re: Hacker challenge/SolarisG Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame F Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets theblame Re: KVM Switch Re: Need help with a 3100/76 Re: Need help with a 3100/76 Re: Need help with a 3100/76 NTP system time adjustment.  Re: NTP system time adjustment.  Re: NTP system time adjustment.  Re: NTP system time adjustment.  Re: NTP system time adjustment. / Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!   Re: PCs Need to Query RMS files.& Re: SAMBA BUG: OpenVMS NOT VULNERABLE.4 Spam, eggs, bacon, spam, spam ... attn: Hoff Hoffman8 Re: Spam, eggs, bacon, spam, spam ... attn: Hoff Hoffman8 Re: Spam, eggs, bacon, spam, spam ... attn: Hoff Hoffman SRM paramters from VMS' Re: Tabular Timeline Tracking Tool (T4) / Re: TCPIP V5.0a eco2 vs. V5.1 for remote system 1 Re: Test!  Please post a response if you see this P Re: The DFWCUG's DFWDAYS 2001 Presentations are online (as well as a few photos P Re: The DFWCUG's DFWDAYS 2001 Presentations are online (as well as afew photos oP Re: The DFWCUG's DFWDAYS 2001 Presentations are online (as well as afew photos oP Re: The DFWCUG's DFWDAYS 2001 Presentations are online (as well asafew photos of
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 Re: TIN 1.4.4 + Re: VAX Just Stops - Not the Usual Suspects + Re: VAX Just Stops - Not the Usual Suspects + Re: VAX Just Stops - Not the Usual Suspects + Re: VAX Just Stops - Not the Usual Suspects G Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference G RE: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% D Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% - WAAAAY OT!!! Re: [OT] Religion   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:22:15 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.org7 Subject: "%BACKUP-F-BUFFERSLOST, all buffers are lost"? ) Message-ID: <01050208221523@antinode.org>   F WUSS $ backup /noass /norewind /compare /image mka100:save.set dka500: [Some time passes.] + %BACKUP-F-BUFFERSLOST, all buffers are lost   B WUSS is a VAXstation 3138, running VMS V7.2 (Hobbyist, naturally).   WUSS $ help /mess BUFFERSLOST #  BUFFERSLOST,  all buffers are lost &   Facility:     BACKUP, Backup Utility@   Explanation:  A software error occurred in the Backup utility.8   User Action:  Contact a Compaq support representative.  D    Am I missing some popular patch, or is this one a mystery to all?  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home) C    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work) G    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work) 9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)    ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 08:19:51 CDT = From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.310887.killspam.0162 (Wayne Sewell) > Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: VAX Just Stops - Not the Usual Suspects. Message-ID: <brbE$mEP20JM@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  [ In article <3AEF2D78.19711.10CF492@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes: G >> If the Console was not logged in at the time, any attempt to type is I >> greeted with a bleep. If logged in, nothing although a ^C generated an  >> *INTERRUPT* on the screen.  > G > When you log into the console, do a SET PROC/PRIOR=31 .  The symptom  E > is characteristic of a high-priority process hogging all the CPU.   E > When the system "hangs", you should still be operational.  At that  G > point, find and SET PROC/SUSPEND/ID=xxxx the process, and everything   > should return to normal. >     J But don't forget to set your priority back to normal after the suspend, orG *you* could then be the high-priority process hogging all the CPU.  :-)    --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== B Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?"+ Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 07:49:19 -0700 ! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> " Subject: Anonymous ftp on Multinet9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOENLCHAA.tom@kednos.com>   = running Multinet 3.3 on VMS6.2.  How to enable anonymous ftp?   
 D:\>ftp norns  Connected to norns. H 220 norns.kednos.com MultiNet FTP Server Process 3.3(14) at Wed 2-May-01 8:43AM-P User (norns:(none)): anonymous3 331 anonymous user ok. Send real ident as password. 	 Password:  530  ftp disallowed.
 Login failed.  ftp>   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:02:23 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) & Subject: Re: Anonymous ftp on Multinet0 Message-ID: <3af03d7c.10444728@swen.process.com>  F On Wed, 02 May 2001 07:49:19 -0700, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:  > >running Multinet 3.3 on VMS6.2.  How to enable anonymous ftp? >  >D:\>ftp norns >Connected to norns.I >220 norns.kednos.com MultiNet FTP Server Process 3.3(14) at Wed 2-May-01 	 >8:43AM-P  >User (norns:(none)): anonymous 4 >331 anonymous user ok. Send real ident as password.
 >Password: >530  ftp disallowed.  >Login failed. >ftp>  > A Check your MULTINET:FTP_SERVER.COM file to see if it's preventing 
 the login.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 16:26:59 GMT 0 From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)3 Subject: Re: Anyone got any Volker-Craig Terminals? 5 Message-ID: <9cpcgj$1h8$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>   8 In article <lluuet82n4f5u36im25k05lds9bh6j2efd@4ax.com>,# Beyonder  <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote: ' : Any for sale, lease, trade, whatever?  : < I don't know, but if a PC-based emulator will do, Kermit 95:  )   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html   - includes Volker-Craig 404 and 4404 emulation.    - Frank    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:44:56 +01006 From: "Kevin Playford" <kevin@procom.fsbusiness.co.uk> Subject: Re: Capellas Knows VMS A Message-ID: <988796693.28065.0.nnrp-01.c2de98ae@news.demon.co.uk>   E > "...project called Galaxy, which allows us to do interoperability."   G Forgive me for saying but I thought the Galaxy project was an effort to  provide K a cluster in a box - multiple Alpha machines in one unit clustered together  as if 9 they behaved as separate machines in a VMS cluster sense.   G The Galaxy project may well have been a project that was included a VMS  release J that provided interoperability but was not the interoperability project in its own  right.  H Perhaps one of the VMS engineers out there that frequent this conference might # be able to shed some light on this.    regards  Kevin Playford Procom Technology (UK) Ltd   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 08:38:45 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Capellas Knows VMS 3 Message-ID: <YTfZXzzrTJtu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   z In article <988796693.28065.0.nnrp-01.c2de98ae@news.demon.co.uk>, "Kevin Playford" <kevin@procom.fsbusiness.co.uk> writes:F >> "...project called Galaxy, which allows us to do interoperability." > I > Forgive me for saying but I thought the Galaxy project was an effort to 	 > provide M > a cluster in a box - multiple Alpha machines in one unit clustered together  > as if ; > they behaved as separate machines in a VMS cluster sense.    No.   A 	1. The instances within a Galaxy need not be in the same cluster  	   or in any cluster.  > 	2. If they are in a cluster, it has explicitly been disavowed@ 	   by the developers as constituting "cluster in a box" because@ 	   you lose some of the redundancy features present in even the 	   simplest VMS NI cluster.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:51:34 -0500 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>  Subject: RE: Capellas Knows VMS L Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1DEB@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----= > From: Kevin Playford [mailto:kevin@procom.fsbusiness.co.uk]   G > > "...project called Galaxy, which allows us to do interoperability."   @ > Forgive me for saying but I thought the Galaxy project was an  > effort to 	 > provide ; > a cluster in a box - multiple Alpha machines in one unit   > clustered together > as if ; > they behaved as separate machines in a VMS cluster sense.   
 Sort of...  ; > The Galaxy project may well have been a project that was   > included a VMS	 > release 1 > that provided interoperability but was not the   > interoperability project in 	 > its own  > right.  G There is also the part of Galaxy which allows you to run VMS, and other B things, together in the same box.  I'd call that interoperability.  @ > Perhaps one of the VMS engineers out there that frequent this  > conference > might % > be able to shed some light on this.    IANAVMSE   Regards,   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  '    ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 05:28 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)  Subject: Re: DCL "library", Message-ID: <2MAY200105280981@gerg.tamu.edu>  ! tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk writes... < }Peter, thanks for the reply. I'll try messing with PIPE but$ }its not really whaty I had in mind. } D }What I am doing currently (just split the library out from the testC }application) is to just APPEND the library code to the application ? }code. However, this requires I rebuild every time I modify the 	 }library.  } C }So I guess I am looking for the DCL equivalent of a shared library 
 }really:-)7 }So I don't have to "relink" when I change the library.  }  }regards }-- 7 }Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project   B An approach that has been mentioned before, but here's an example:    The application (such as it is):   $ say := Write SYS$Output ! $ @libdir:dcllib.com do_X xparam1  $ say "got ''DO_X_DATA'") $ @libdir:dcllib.com do_Y yparam1 yparam2  $ say "got ''DO_Y_DATA'"1 $ @libdir:dcllib.com do_Z zparam1 zparam2 zparam3  $ say "got ''DO_Z_DATA'" $ Exit  ? The "library", which is the file "libdir:dcllib.com" of course:    $ On ERROR Then GOTO OOPS  $ say := Write SYS$Output  $ GOTO 'P1' < $! If you try to GOTO a label that doesn't exist, you get a:P $! DCL-W-USGOTO, target of GOTO not found - check spelling and presence of label) $! and it drops through the GOTO to here. - $ say "''P1' does not exist in this library."  $ Exit $! $ DO_X: , $ say "This is DO_X and you passed it ''P2'" $ DO_X_DATA == "Did X" $ Exit $! $ DO_Y: 6 $ say "This is DO_Y and you passed it ''P2' and ''P3'" $ DO_Y_DATA == "Did Y" $ Exit $! $ DO_Z: > $ say "This is DO_Z and you passed it ''p2', ''P3', and ''P4'" $ DO_Z_DATA == "Did Z" $ Exit $! $ OOPS: $ $ say "Something terrible happened." $ Exit  I Anybody who can read it can use the routines in the library. Any data you I want to pass back to the calling program should be put in a global symbol A (like I did above), logical name, or something along those lines.   D Any time you make changes to the library, anything that uses it will& automatically use the updated version.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 12:38:16 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>  Subject: Re: DCL "library") Message-ID: <3AEFF1A7.C6AFE567@bbc.co.uk>    Roy Omond wrote:   > F >  Tim, I'm really digging this out from a far, distant universe in my > head. * > I think what you need is something like: > 2 >         //JOBLIB DD DSN=TIM.LIBRARY.JCL,DISP=SHR# >         //STEP1  EXEC PROC=MYPROC  >         //FOR005 DD SYSIN=*   >         //FOR006 DD SYSPRINT=A >  > P.s. ;-)`   J :-) I was lucky to just miss having to learn JCL when I started my PhD :-)   >  > G > I can think of one possible solution to yer real query, namely having D > a general-purpose little procedure that is capable of executing anE > arbitrary member from a text library.  Should be pretty easy to put H > something together quite quickly. Heck, for nostalgia's sake you couldG > even have it look in a procedure library defined by the logical names & > (in order) PROCLIB, and then JOBLIB. >   J OK, interesting idea. However I think it might be a bit slow. I will stickI with appending the "library" to the application in a build phase for now.    > E > (by the way, probably only the real oldies will understand this :-)  >  > Roy Omond  > Blue Bubble Ltd.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:12:59 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>  Subject: Re: DCL "library") Message-ID: <3AEFF9CB.4782F73C@bbc.co.uk>   G Carl, that is the business, thanks. Pass the name of the routine as the D first parameter. Might have occurred to me eventually, but might not   regards    Carl Perkins wrote:   # > tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk writes... > > }Peter, thanks for the reply. I'll try messing with PIPE but& > }its not really whaty I had in mind. > } F > }What I am doing currently (just split the library out from the testE > }application) is to just APPEND the library code to the application A > }code. However, this requires I rebuild every time I modify the  > }library.  > } E > }So I guess I am looking for the DCL equivalent of a shared library  > }really:-)9 > }So I don't have to "relink" when I change the library.  > } 
 > }regards > }-- 9 > }Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project  > D > An approach that has been mentioned before, but here's an example: > " > The application (such as it is): >  > $ say := Write SYS$Output # > $ @libdir:dcllib.com do_X xparam1  > $ say "got ''DO_X_DATA'"+ > $ @libdir:dcllib.com do_Y yparam1 yparam2  > $ say "got ''DO_Y_DATA'"3 > $ @libdir:dcllib.com do_Z zparam1 zparam2 zparam3  > $ say "got ''DO_Z_DATA'" > $ Exit > A > The "library", which is the file "libdir:dcllib.com" of course:  >  > $ On ERROR Then GOTO OOPS  > $ say := Write SYS$Output 
 > $ GOTO 'P1' > > $! If you try to GOTO a label that doesn't exist, you get a:R > $! DCL-W-USGOTO, target of GOTO not found - check spelling and presence of label+ > $! and it drops through the GOTO to here. / > $ say "''P1' does not exist in this library."  > $ Exit > $!	 > $ DO_X: . > $ say "This is DO_X and you passed it ''P2'" > $ DO_X_DATA == "Did X" > $ Exit > $!	 > $ DO_Y:l8 > $ say "This is DO_Y and you passed it ''P2' and ''P3'" > $ DO_Y_DATA == "Did Y" > $ Exit > $!	 > $ DO_Z:n@ > $ say "This is DO_Z and you passed it ''p2', ''P3', and ''P4'" > $ DO_Z_DATA == "Did Z" > $ Exit > $!	 > $ OOPS:E& > $ say "Something terrible happened." > $ Exit >bK > Anybody who can read it can use the routines in the library. Any data youlK > want to pass back to the calling program should be put in a global symbolaC > (like I did above), logical name, or something along those lines.t > F > Any time you make changes to the library, anything that uses it will( > automatically use the updated version. > 
 > --- Carl   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofr MedAS or the BBC.n   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 08:35:53 -0500i- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: DCL "library"3 Message-ID: <9IoJNV45hOH5@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  Y In article <3AEEC8D8.D83AF58D@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:m > C > I'm pretty sure this isn't possible but I'm asking anyway in case 	 > someoner > knows how. > G > I'm implementing a simple DCL menu package at present. I'd like to benJ > able to keep the callable routines in a "library" separate from the main > # > application code that calls them.  >   H There are a variety of technique, but I think your looking for something# akin to ksh's FPATH.  Try DCL$PATH.o  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationo= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupsE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:06:54 +0200n2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> Subject: Re: DCL "library"+ Message-ID: <3AF0309E.380A8744@digital.com>s   Tim, -: Have a look at how VMSINSTAL implements VMI$... callbacks. Is that close to what you want?    Mike.S   Tim Llewellyn wrote: > = > Peter, thanks for the reply. I'll try messing with PIPE butt% > its not really whaty I had in mind.t > E > What I am doing currently (just split the library out from the testoD > application) is to just APPEND the library code to the application@ > code. However, this requires I rebuild every time I modify the
 > library. > D > So I guess I am looking for the DCL equivalent of a shared library > really:-) 8 > So I don't have to "relink" when I change the library. > 	 > regardse >  > Peter Weaver wrote:g > > > > "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote in message' > > news:3AEEC8D8.D83AF58D@bbc.co.uk...o > > > G > > > I'm pretty sure this isn't possible but I'm asking anyway in case-
 > > > someone- > > > knows how. > > >-H > > > I'm implementing a simple DCL menu package at present. I'd like to > > beI > > > able to keep the callable routines in a "library" separate from the0 > > main > > >... > > G > > Looked like an interesting challenge, but I don't know if this will:G > > work in real life (note, if you already have a SYS$LOGIN:DCLLIB.TLBU+ > > then edit this .COM before you try it);b > >, > > $!3 > > $ delete/nolog/noconfirm sys$login:dcllib.tlb.*  > > $f > > $ create x1.txti	 > > $deckA > > $!' > > $ write sys$output "this is x1.com"e5 > > $ write sys$output "This is "+f$envi("procedure")o > > $ show timep > > $! > > $eod > > $!8 > > $ library/create/text/insert sys$login:dcllib x1.txt$ > > $ delete/nolog/noconfirm x1.txt. > > $! > > $ create x2.txt-	 > > $deck- > > $!' > > $ write sys$output "this is x2.com"55 > > $ write sys$output "This is "+f$envi("procedure")  > > $ show time8 > > $! > > $eod > > $!1 > > $ library/text/insert sys$login:dcllib x2.txt $ > > $ delete/nolog/noconfirm x2.txt. > > $! > > $!F > > $ pipe library/text/extra=x1 sys$login:dcllib/output=sys$output: | > > @sys$pipe:F > > $ pipe library/text/extra=x2 sys$login:dcllib/output=sys$output: | > > @sys$pipe: > > $X >  > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukh > C > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those oft > MedAS or the BBC.o   -- ,E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.m? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*eF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----a Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:49:27 +01007- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>x Subject: Re: DCL "library"( Message-ID: <3AF01066.2458A20@bbc.co.uk>   Mike Rechtman wrote:   > Tim, -< > Have a look at how VMSINSTAL implements VMI$... callbacks.! > Is that close to what you want?l >e  M Yes, but I think Carl Perkin's solution (slightly modified by me) is the bestl fori
 my situation.    regards-   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uko  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofy MedAS or the BBC.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:31:00 GMTP  From: terry.polar@eudoramail.com Subject: Re: DCL "library"6 Message-ID: <ESUH6.6715$SZ5.548961@www.newsranger.com>  ? In article <3AEEC8D8.D83AF58D@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn says...  >-B >I'm pretty sure this isn't possible but I'm asking anyway in case >someone >knows how.y >mF >I'm implementing a simple DCL menu package at present. I'd like to beI >able to keep the callable routines in a "library" separate from the main " >application code that calls them.I >The only way I can think to do this is have an extra step where the menufI >package is appended to the application code and then executed. This willr >work but is just a bit messy.C >Is there some hackery with @ or otherwise I can do to force DCL to I >interpret code in a procedure library file spearate from the applicationi >code.  I Why don't try MenuFinder utility ? It's seems perfect for integrating DCL L procedures on a menu system - you can easily maintain your procedure withoutA exiting the menu and your procedures or programs can be anywhere.r   Visit: www.itre.com/mf/-   Terry    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:25:58 +0100a- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>g Subject: Re: DCL "library") Message-ID: <3AF04325.F8769154@bbc.co.uk>   S If anyone is interested, I now have the following solution, slightly different fromw6 Carl's because I have SUBROUTINES in the library file:   In the calling routine:e   $LIBCALL :== @MENULIBtJ $LIBCALL create_menu "1" "Remarcs Infrastructure VMS HELPDESK Application"   In the library header:   $ callstr = "CALL ''P1'": $ IF P2 .NES. "" THEN callstr = callstr + " """ + P2 + """: $ IF P3 .NES. "" THEN callstr = callstr + " """ + P3 + """: $ IF P4 .NES. "" THEN callstr = callstr + " """ + P4 + """: $ IF P5 .NES. "" THEN callstr = callstr + " """ + P5 + """: $ IF P6 .NES. "" THEN callstr = callstr + " """ + P6 + """: $ IF P7 .NES. "" THEN callstr = callstr + " """ + P7 + """: $ IF P8 .NES. "" THEN callstr = callstr + " """ + P8 + """" $ !IF (debug) THEN sh symb callstr
 $ 'callstr  D OK its a bit nasty but its working for me, though I have reached the: seven parameter limit now and am working with F$ELEMENT as? Jim suggested. If the called module doesn't exist DCL thrown anb error message.  H I'm really glad I am writing this menu package, I hate debugging missingB ENDIF's. At least I am doing it once only, not every time I modify  an option in the application :-)   Thanks a lot everyone-   Carl Perkins wrote:-  E >  An approach that has been mentioned before, but here's an example:n >a" > The application (such as it is): >l > $ say := Write SYS$OutputY# > $ @libdir:dcllib.com do_X xparam1  > $ say "got ''DO_X_DATA'"+ > $ @libdir:dcllib.com do_Y yparam1 yparam2v > $ say "got ''DO_Y_DATA'"3 > $ @libdir:dcllib.com do_Z zparam1 zparam2 zparam3y > $ say "got ''DO_Z_DATA'" > $ Exit >"A > The "library", which is the file "libdir:dcllib.com" of course:a >f > $ On ERROR Then GOTO OOPSs > $ say := Write SYS$Output 
 > $ GOTO 'P1' > > $! If you try to GOTO a label that doesn't exist, you get a:R > $! DCL-W-USGOTO, target of GOTO not found - check spelling and presence of label+ > $! and it drops through the GOTO to here.s/ > $ say "''P1' does not exist in this library."i > $ Exit > $!	 > $ DO_X:y. > $ say "This is DO_X and you passed it ''P2'" > $ DO_X_DATA == "Did X" > $ Exit > $!	 > $ DO_Y:r8 > $ say "This is DO_Y and you passed it ''P2' and ''P3'" > $ DO_Y_DATA == "Did Y" > $ Exit > $!	 > $ DO_Z:1@ > $ say "This is DO_Z and you passed it ''p2', ''P3', and ''P4'" > $ DO_Z_DATA == "Did Z" > $ Exit > $!	 > $ OOPS:8& > $ say "Something terrible happened." > $ Exit >>K > Anybody who can read it can use the routines in the library. Any data you.K > want to pass back to the calling program should be put in a global symboltC > (like I did above), logical name, or something along those lines.p >eF > Any time you make changes to the library, anything that uses it will( > automatically use the updated version. >h
 > --- Carl   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukp  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those oft MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------    Date: 02 May 2001 10:03:06 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>b) Subject: Re: DEC-C: calculated constants.sH Message-ID: <y4d79s18lh.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:i   > myfloat = PI / 180.0 * 90.0e  > sprintf(buffer,"%f", myfloat); > sscanf("%f", &yourfloat);\  J Right idea, wrong detail: instead of %f, which presumably means "this is aM floating-point number", cheat on both output and input and use an appropriaterG usigned format - that is, dump an exact representation of the bits thatmJ constitute your constant (in hexadecimal, if you like...). In Fortran, the) format would be Z8.8 for a 32-bit number.a   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 05:02 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ) Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printerp, Message-ID: <2MAY200105024560@gerg.tamu.edu>   arcarlini@iee.org writes...  }Carl Perkins wrote:E }> There appears to be a way of disabling it that could be considered:
 }> supported:  }> tG }> In the file SYS$STARTUP:DTSS$STARTUP.COM, the first thing it does isnH }> check to see if the logical NET$DISABLE_DTSS is defined in the systemF }> table. If it is, then the startup immediately exits and DTSS is notG }> started. To nip DTSS in the bud, you can make sure that this logicalaI }> is defined before it tries to start it (SYLOGICALS.COM would be a finet
 }> place). } = }Must be a new one. Or maybe I should start reading the docs,'7 }but I've managed without for so long I'd hate to break" }a bad habit :-)  = Well, I didn't get that from the docs - I got it from readingt the .com file...  ' }> NCL>set dtss courier role noncouriert }> [...] }> Characteristics6 }>     constraint violation: Courier Role = NonCourier }>  E }> Uh, "constraint violation"? How about "no such parameter"? Or even + }> "that's not what it's called, you bozo"?O [...] 7 }I'm confused now, so I'll stop ... use the logical :-)=  + In many cases, that would be the way to go.D   }> If you do it right, you get:3. }> NCL>set dtss decnet courier role noncourier }> [...] }> Characteristics }> d5 }>     DECnet Courier Role               = NonCourier  }>  E }> which doesn't actually mention that it worked, as such, but that'sh$ }> better than when it doesn't work. [...]rD }> Oddly enough, the "constraint violation" is not, for some unknownF }> reason, the same thing as "no such parameter", as you can see here: }> NCL>set dtss foobar dummy. }> %NCL-E-INVALIDCOMMAND, unrecognized command }> set dtss \foobar\ dummy } 9 }Constraint violation is exactly what it says on the tin:-5 }you violated a constraint (in this case you probablym5 }cannot change the DECnet Courier Role characteristic:3 }without disabling and enabling the entity, in this. }case DTSS).  A Nope. The above commands were all cut'n'pasted from a live systemtC where I actually did the deeds while it was running (it was alreadykE set to noncourier, so it presumably didn't actually change anything)./D With the "decnet" it works. Without the "decnet" it says "constraintE violation" (whether or not it is running at the time, as I recall - IhG know I tried it both ways a couple weeks ago when I was working on thisoF particular problem and I'm pretty sure the result was the same whetherH or not it was enabled). With a command that is even farther off it gives "invalidcommand".    }Antonio   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:19:55 +0100c+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>a) Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printere' Message-ID: <3AEFFB6B.134DEC4E@iee.org>n   Carl Perkins wrote:  >  > arcarlini@iee.org writes...i; > }Constraint violation is exactly what it says on the tin:a7 > }you violated a constraint (in this case you probablyy7 > }cannot change the DECnet Courier Role characteristicn5 > }without disabling and enabling the entity, in thisf > }case DTSS). > C > Nope. The above commands were all cut'n'pasted from a live system.  6 Well, "yes" except I should have said the Courier Role; bit rather than DECnet Courier Role. "Constraint violation"o8 means you cannot do what you are trying to do unless you5 do something else (usually disable the entity) first.    Interestingly * 	$ mc ncl set dtss courier role noncourier1 gives me a constraint violation (same as you got)a whereasi  1 	$ mc ncl set dtss decnet courier role noncouriera gives me an error:+ %NCL-E-INVALIDCOMMAND, unrecognized commandt) SET DTSS \DECNET\ COURIER ROLE NONCOURIERe    = This is on DECnet V7.1 (VAX) (SHOW IMP gives me 16-NOV-1996).e1 Maybe yours is later or has had NCL$GLOBALSECTIONr replaced by some other product.   1 The Courier Role characteristic (note, no decnet)o, does not seem to be supported properly. Try:' 	$ MC NCL SHOW DTSS DECNET COURIER ROLE 0 and you should *not* get a constraint violation, but you do.   E > where I actually did the deeds while it was running (it was alreadynG > set to noncourier, so it presumably didn't actually change anything).   9 Actually I think the architecture requires the constrainte6 violation even if you are trying to set a value to the3 current value. Even if the arch doesn't require it,a6 most code seems to report it any way ... I just tried 2 setting ROUTING SEGMENT BUFFER SIZE to its current$ value (570) and it still complained.  F > With the "decnet" it works. Without the "decnet" it says "constraintG > violation" (whether or not it is running at the time, as I recall - I'I > know I tried it both ways a couple weeks ago when I was working on thisiH > particular problem and I'm pretty sure the result was the same whetherJ > or not it was enabled). With a command that is even farther off it gives > "invalidcommand".L  0 I think "Courier Role" is not properly supported) by the code. It should not be reporting ah* constraint violation for a show. It should  also report which constraint is   being violated when a set fails   (or at least I think it should).  7 FWIW using V6.2 but with an NCL$GLOBALSECTION from 1997 6 I get "invalid attribute" with a show of Courier Role,+ DECnet Courier Role *and* DCE Courier Role!    Antonio    -- T   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgT   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 12:54:23 +0100n- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>a7 Subject: Re: DECwindows XFS (X font server) Motif 1.2-5t) Message-ID: <3AEFF56F.8357883B@bbc.co.uk>e   Mark Daniel wrote:  / > I am a little tired of ports that don't work.g >oI > Anyone having problems with the above?  Ours seems to work most of sometC > of the time if on even socket numbers during the early morning or  > afternights. >w   :-) :-) :-)I   >tB > I took this up with CSC some months ago without satisfaction.  I< > shouldn't have to be spending my time chasing such trivial > functionality. >a  F I did have a call open, but they sent me patch kits for VMS 7.2-1 when@ I was stuck on 7.1 for application reasons. Didn't follow it up.  ; Someone knowledgeable who now works for Compaq suggested itjD was better to load the appropriate fonts on your PC. I must admitt IB find this hard to swallow, I have a VMS system and I want to storeJ the fonts I wanna use on it, and not have to start from scratch every timeB the desktop PC gets reinstalled. I also tried and failed to get it to work sucessfully.   >eG > My image is identified as V1.0 link date/time 21-JUN-2000 11:59:54.58nI > (it is something CSC supplied me with, not the original from 1.2-5).  I 4 > couldn't see any ECOs for 1.2-5 on the Compaq page< >   http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/.new/openvms.shtml >A > Other info ... >-9 >   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1o< >   on a AlphaServer DS20 500 MHz 4MB running OpenVMS V7.2-1 >A > Anyone have a better XFS?  >e  # Would be nice to have some options.    > + > As always, thanks for your consideration.p  
 no problem --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk7  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofM MedAS or the BBC.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:31:35 +0930e% From: Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au>n Subject: Re: DFU tool Vs. DFOl) Message-ID: <3AEFB0CF.1000902@vsm.com.au>o   Iris,n    H > What is the difference between the DFU shareware, and the DFO Utility?  I DFU is a freeware utility program for manipulating files and directories.iK It has a "defragment" function, which is very basic and really intended for < ad-hoc use.  I'm not even sure that it does a very good job.  M DFO is a disk defragmenter similar to PerfectDisk.  If you need to defragmentwK your disks on a regular basis (or keep them defragmented) use DFO, not DFU.   6 What sort of "problems" did you have with PerfectDisk?              Jeremy Begg  =   +---------------------------------------------------------+ =   |            VSM Software Services Pty. Ltd.              |a=   |                 http://www.vsm.com.au/                  | =   |       "OpenVMS Systems Management & Programming"        | =   |---------------------------------------------------------|w=   | P.O.Box 402, Walkerville, |  E-Mail:  jeremy@vsm.com.au |e=   | South Australia 5081      |   Phone:  +61 8 83592155    |y=   |---------------------------|  Mobile:  0414 422 947      |l=   |  A.C.N. 068 409 156       |     FAX:  +61 8 82231777    | =   +---------------------------------------------------------+"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:09:01 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>l Subject: Re: DFU tool Vs. DFOe+ Message-ID: <3AF006ED.631294B1@hsc.vcu.edu>e  @ i'm interested in "problems with perfectdisk" also, we run it...   jim    Jeremy Begg wrote: >  > Iris,i > J > > What is the difference between the DFU shareware, and the DFO Utility? > K > DFU is a freeware utility program for manipulating files and directories. M > It has a "defragment" function, which is very basic and really intended for > > ad-hoc use.  I'm not even sure that it does a very good job. > O > DFO is a disk defragmenter similar to PerfectDisk.  If you need to defragmenttM > your disks on a regular basis (or keep them defragmented) use DFO, not DFU.  > 8 > What sort of "problems" did you have with PerfectDisk? >  >          Jeremy Begg > ? >   +---------------------------------------------------------+C? >   |            VSM Software Services Pty. Ltd.              |-? >   |                 http://www.vsm.com.au/                  |p? >   |       "OpenVMS Systems Management & Programming"        |*? >   |---------------------------------------------------------|V? >   | P.O.Box 402, Walkerville, |  E-Mail:  jeremy@vsm.com.au |m? >   | South Australia 5081      |   Phone:  +61 8 83592155    |-? >   |---------------------------|  Mobile:  0414 422 947      |-? >   |  A.C.N. 068 409 156       |     FAX:  +61 8 82231777    |K? >   +---------------------------------------------------------++   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 10:50:52 -0500-; From: hibbits@encompasserve.org (Jim Hibbits - RAXCO, Inc.)y Subject: Re: DFU tool Vs. DFOu3 Message-ID: <usy+5L5tnjP9@eisner.encompasserve.org>2  B > i'm interested in "problems with perfectdisk" also, we run it... >  > jimi >   A The problem that they had was they ran PD/DISPLAY, an interactiveeC screen tool, in batch.  The call was initiated in Ireland, but heldeC in our English distributor's office for a while.  Once forwarded toS8 me in the States, the problem was resolved within hours.  K Interestingly, we'd never heard of anybody trying to run the screen tool inlC batch before, so we were completely unaware of a potential problem,e nor had we anticipated it!   Jim Hibbits- Raxco Software, Inc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:32:33 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>D Subject: Re: DFU tool Vs. DFOw+ Message-ID: <3AF02891.64927BCA@hsc.vcu.edu>@   hhmm.. i remember loong time ago... I noticed that MCR would show up on a pdp-11 running RSX-11m.. so, I typed "run mcr" to see what it had to say....   x system locked right up...  My boss mulled it over, and decided that altho it was off the wall, i was being logical.. ;-D    " "Jim Hibbits - RAXCO, Inc." wrote: > D > > i'm interested in "problems with perfectdisk" also, we run it... > >c > > jimp > >d > C > The problem that they had was they ran PD/DISPLAY, an interactive E > screen tool, in batch.  The call was initiated in Ireland, but heldrE > in our English distributor's office for a while.  Once forwarded toh: > me in the States, the problem was resolved within hours. > M > Interestingly, we'd never heard of anybody trying to run the screen tool iniE > batch before, so we were completely unaware of a potential problem,s > nor had we anticipated it! > 
 > Jim Hibbits. > Raxco Software, Inc.   ------------------------------    Date: 02 May 2001 15:55:07 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success- Message-ID: <87oftcnq1w.fsf@prep.synonet.com>y  / John Wisniewski <wisniewski@vmsone.com> writes:n   > Brian Tillman wrote:  A > > >Vacation time would have put your managment in it's place...l  @ > > And so would my wife had I spent my vacation time and family$ > > budget dollars on a users group!  A > Wives? Wives?  Humm.. I used to have one of those once until myFA > alibi of being at a strip club throwing away our grocery money,SB > didn't hold up because I was really at a computer symposia. It's) > ok..I was on vacation at the time...:-)F  ? > "She! Who must be obeyed" can only frighten me now if she hasS
 > CMKNL...  C Huh, imagine telling the kids you are off to Anaheim, and that theyl are not going to Disneyland...   -- "< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov u   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 09:30:59 -0700n1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)a" Subject: Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success, Message-ID: <A45mYk2zPYZu@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  . In article <87oftcnq1w.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, 1    Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:  > E > Huh, imagine telling the kids you are off to Anaheim, and that they   > are not going to Disneyland... > '    But, to make it even worse, you are.'  G   (do they still do Disneyland nights when the symposium's in Anaheim?)    ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 14:47:32 GMTe2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: dialback telnet?W, Message-ID: <9cp6m4$pf4@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  I Back in the days of dialup sessions it was common to implement a dialback G strategy for security reasons.  I know that the preferred way to obtainpI security these days is to use ssh, but our campus network is now entirely.I switched, and so telnet across campus should be safe (unless somebody has2E gained control of the routers or switches, in which case we're pretty  likely screwed in any case.)    > Is it possible to do the (moral) equivalent of a dialback withG telnet?   That is, for instance, have a CGI on a web page open a telnetZH session "in reverse" to a remote machine running some terminal emulator?K Simultaneously the server could send the browser a command to do something h like:r  &   telnet://myhost.mycompany.com:12345/  I to start the telnet client on the end user's machine.  I'm assuming that oI this could not use the standard telnet port, so one would be assigned on eH the fly.  Can emulators like TeraTerm or NCSA telnet "pick up" on such aK connection? One of the advantages of being able to do this would be that wemG could verify the identity of the person using any method we desire, and.K then run the dialback telnet for them prelogged in - if you will.  That is,f6 no username/password going across the telnet session.    Just a thought,-   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech e   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:23:34 +0000 (UTC)' From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)o Subject: Re: dialback telnet? + Message-ID: <9cpfqm$2eg$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>t  a In article <9cp6m4$pf4@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:\J >Back in the days of dialup sessions it was common to implement a dialbackH >strategy for security reasons.  I know that the preferred way to obtainJ >security these days is to use ssh, but our campus network is now entirelyJ >switched, and so telnet across campus should be safe (unless somebody hasF >gained control of the routers or switches, in which case we're pretty >likely screwed in any case.)  >   N Or they are using dsniff to sniff your switched network using ARP redirection.   See :-  D http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/00/05/29/000529opswatch.xml   andt  @ http://www.sans.org/newlook/resources/IDFAQ/switched_network.htm    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 08:40:09 -0500t- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)d% Subject: Re: Hacker challenge/Solarisn3 Message-ID: <zFHAeSL9SFAm@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  h In article <OF1A60FBC0.0FE2F48E-ON88256A3F.005C9575@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes: > G > Ok, I'm confused. How can a flaw in the x86 architecture allow you toyI > create shell accounts in a Unix? Andrew, can you point us to Sun's CERN ) > alert for this so we can read up a bit?l >   D Most architectures use an exception or interrupt (terminology variesH more than technique) mechanism to control entry to more privileged modesC from outer mode.  This is a well known technique with few problems.,  H x86 uses a call gate approach.  While workable it is not as well known aF technique and experience shows that it's somewhat easier to code to itG wrong.  This is not necessarily a flaw (I think it can be coded right),o% but perhaps a bad engineering choice.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group,E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingo   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:52:47 -0700m! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comy% Subject: Re: Hacker challenge/SolarisrD Message-ID: <OFFBC5C035.C7C27D16-ON88256A40.005C9CE8@foundation.com>  G Yup, there has to be a coding flaw of some sort to expose it in a way a-C hacker can use it. Note I said flaw, not error. Subtle distinction.n   ShaneC          A koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) on 05/02/2001 06:40:09 AM   9 Please respond to koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)u   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   & Subject:  Re: Hacker challenge/Solaris    D In article <OF1A60FBC0.0FE2F48E-ON88256A3F.005C9575@foundation.com>,# Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:  >wG > Ok, I'm confused. How can a flaw in the x86 architecture allow you totI > create shell accounts in a Unix? Andrew, can you point us to Sun's CERNo) > alert for this so we can read up a bit?  >t  D Most architectures use an exception or interrupt (terminology variesH more than technique) mechanism to control entry to more privileged modesC from outer mode.  This is a well known technique with few problems.-  H x86 uses a call gate approach.  While workable it is not as well known aF technique and experience shows that it's somewhat easier to code to itG wrong.  This is not necessarily a flaw (I think it can be coded right),.% but perhaps a bad engineering choice.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationa= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GrouptE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingt   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:52:40 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>P Subject: Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame* Message-ID: <3AF00318.AEE77428@uk.sun.com>  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > L > Could it be that (gasp) Andrew didn't do his homework? :-) You /know/ theyM > wouldn't have given that much money away if the hacker didn't genuinely wino > it.L >   : The origional information we had was that they caused the 7 machine to crash. They did not breach the Argus system.W  7 The exploit could be used to execute arbitrary code in a5 the kernel and uses a capability if that is the right  word of the x86 architecture.   & There is/was a patch for this exploit.  - This exploit is not present on Solaris/SPARC N5 as it is also not present on Linux/Alpha though it is  or was on Linux/x86.  1 To try to make this into some sort of OpenVMS is u2 great bandwagon is pointless since OpenVMS because3 it runs on Alpha does not need to contend with thisl/ kind of attack any more than Tru64 on Alpha or n Solaris on SPARC.i   Regards  Andrew Harrisonu Enterprise IT ArchitectE   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:18:13 +0100.. From: Peter Jackson <peter.jackson@oracle.com>O Subject: Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets theblame * Message-ID: <3AF03344.9C97230F@oracle.com>   andrew harrison wrote:  ? > Can you guarantee that OpenVMS if running on x86 would be anyi= > more or less vunerable to this kind of attack than Solaris,  > Linux etc.  B I can guarantee that if you put VMS on x86 at the moment you would( not be able to break in and do anything.G I can also guarantee that an attack such as you describe would not work $ on any system currently running VMS.  " Silly answers to a silly question.   Peteri   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 09:15:12 GMTi3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)u Subject: Re: KVM Switchu0 Message-ID: <9coj70$2o9$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  g In article <gFxH6.154128$o9.20894500@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>, "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> writes:-M >Is anyone familiar with this?   It allows you to connect the Keyboard, Video-L >and Mouse from several host systems to one side of the switch, and a singleJ >keyboard, video terminal and mouse to the other.  You then manage severalK >host systems from one console monitor.   Does this work for VMS (Alpha VMS * >7.2-1 if that makes a difference) systems  M We use it heavily. Some years ago we tested several models and found the onesmN from Rose Electronics to suit best (www.rosel.com). Nowadays there is a largerL variety. The one I am using right now is a ServeView+ and connects two Macs,F an Alpha-PC under NT, two Alphastations under VMS and two Alphas underH Tru64-Unix. The KVM-switch supports Intel-PCs and Suns, too. Oh, and my ( physical keyboard is a Digital LK411-AG.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanna  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 08:28:30 +0200, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.n0spam.nl>% Subject: Re: Need help with a 3100/76a: Message-ID: <3aefa8e4$0$9356$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl>    There is something wrong here...  , "MikeWJ" <mjenkins@jcn.net> wrote in message2 news:at3vet0pmhuphdn7ur4reul039m0p6d6gh@4ax.com...H > I have a MicroVAX 3100/76.  I know that it has two scsi channels; then2 >  "internal" or scsia, and the external or scsib. > K > On the scsia side, I have 3 RZ24's.  I would really like to upgrade these, to a? > disk of the same physical size, but offering larger capacity.i >iK > On the scsib side, I have (4) RZ57's and (2) RZ56's (in 3 SZ12's) and (1)e) > TLZ07L-DA.  And an internal TK50 drive.o >o' > One of the RZ56's is the system disk.- >-K > What I'd like to do is to replace the RZ56's and RZ57's with RZ59's.  Allm* > are SCSI.  I think the RZ59's would fit. > K > Is it possible to add more drives to the scsia? Internally or attached torK > another SZ12?  What I'm really after is the ability to have 2 TLZ07L-DA'sl forr7 > backups and duplication of tapes for offsite storage." >rJ > I have 28 MB of memory and as soon as I find a 16MB "card", I'll swap it outn& > with one of the existing 12MB cards.  F As far as I know, there has never been a MicroVAX 3100/76. There was aL VAXstation 3100/76. That one used 4 MB simms for memory. The VAXstation 3100- /30 and /38 used up to 2 extra memory boards.a  , So what is the exact model of your MicroVAX?  G If your VAX is a 3100/76, it can take up to 3 SCSI-2 disks in the range % RZ23 - RZ29 on the internal SCSI bus.    > I > The 3100/76 is replacing a VAXcluster of (2) 4600's, (1) 3100/76, & (1) H > 4000/vlc.  Current management would like ALL of the vax's to disappear (theL > current platform of choice in Windows NT/2000) and the data transferred to anL > Oracle database on a Compaq ML330.  Most of this is already completed, but weJ > still have need of the Coda/Ingres/Misc databases on the VAX side of the house. > : > The equipment is completely owned and has full licenses. >-6 > Any ideas that you can give are greatly appreciated. >- > Mike Jenkins > VAX Systems Managera     HTH,  	 Bart Zorn 
 True Bit B.V.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:48:53 +0100.+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>p% Subject: Re: Need help with a 3100/76i' Message-ID: <3AEFC9F5.E11E5804@iee.org>   
 MikeWJ wrote:h > I >  I have a MicroVAX 3100/76.  I know that it has two scsi channels; then 2 >  "internal" or scsia, and the external or scsib.  4 I assume you mean VAXstation 3100 Model 76 ... there< was never a MicroVAX of that name. There was a MicroVAX 3100: Model 96 ... I don't recall whether it's external SCSI was5 separate (as on the VS3100-76) or just a continuation  of the internal chain.  P > On the scsia side, I have 3 RZ24's.  I would really like to upgrade these to a? > disk of the same physical size, but offering larger capacity.J  6 Physically there is no problem ... all the modern SCSI3 drives I have seen are small enough for your needs.   5 As far as capacity goes, you won't be able to find a  B single drive down in the 600MB range (which is what you have now)!  K > On the scsib side, I have (4) RZ57's and (2) RZ56's (in 3 SZ12's) and (1)-) > TLZ07L-DA.  And an internal TK50 drive.0 > ' > One of the RZ56's is the system disk.   ! I guess you only have two issues: ,  a) the system disk must be 1.073GB or less,*     otherwise you will not be able to boot*     OpenVMS reliably (and your disk may be     corrupted during a crash)..  b) if you want to stick with COMPAQ supported)     drives only then you'll be limited in--     capacity (and probably availability too).   K > What I'd like to do is to replace the RZ56's and RZ57's with RZ59's.  Alls* > are SCSI.  I think the RZ59's would fit.  : I don't know what an RZ59 is. From the number it should be3 something physically the same size as an RZ56/57/58e1 but offering more capacity that the RZ58s 1.38GB.t  8 If that's what it is, go ahead (although I've never seen9 one). If you meant RZ29 then be aware that although theseh9 drives are smaller, they pump out a fair bit of heat. You 0 probably want to ensure that you put them in the# appropriate storageworks enclosure.s  K > Is it possible to add more drives to the scsia? Internally or attached tolO > another SZ12?  What I'm really after is the ability to have 2 TLZ07L-DA's for-7 > backups and duplication of tapes for offsite storage.   4 Why not swap out all the RZ24s for the biggest disks4 you can fit in. If you want COMPAQ drives that would4 be RZ28s at 2GB each (RZ29s will melt if mounted in 0 that case). If you do not need COMPAQ supported . drives, then I've never failed with any SCSI-2. disks in my VS3100-76 ... I've not tried since* the days of the 1GB IBM and Fujitsu drives0 but 20GB drives are so cheap these days it would6 be a sin not to try one! (Remember that this cannot be4 your boot disk ... an RZ26 is the biggest boot disk  you can have).  N > I have 28 MB of memory and as soon as I find a 16MB "card", I'll swap it out& > with one of the existing 12MB cards.  2 I give up ... I have no idea what machine you have4 but a VAXstation 3100-76 does *not* use memory cards: it uses SIMMs (although not your standard PC-style SIMMs).8 Are you sure you don't have a VAXstation 3100-38 (or -306 or -40 or -48...)? Those all used memory cards. As did& the MicroVAX 3100 Model 10/20/10e/20e.   From the console prompt try:
 	>>> SHOW VER. or a
 	>>> SHOW CPUn: and it should tell you what machine it is (KA41-A, KA42-A, KA43 ... something like that).  I > The 3100/76 is replacing a VAXcluster of (2) 4600's, (1) 3100/76, & (1)8M > 4000/vlc.  Current management would like ALL of the vax's to disappear (thetO > current platform of choice in Windows NT/2000) and the data transferred to antO > Oracle database on a Compaq ML330.  Most of this is already completed, but weaQ > still have need of the Coda/Ingres/Misc databases on the VAX side of the house.e  : The VS3100-76 is considerably slower than the VAX 4000-6004 (and even slower than the DEC 4000-600 if you happen1 to mean those above) so be sure to take that into  account!   Antonio    -- t   ---------------e- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgi   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:08:26 -0400e# From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>D% Subject: Re: Need help with a 3100/76 * Message-ID: <3AF006CA.9A87DBD@hsc.vcu.edu>   We have a VAXstation 3100/76, and it's Definitely scsia and scsib... i have a full storageworks carton hanging off the scsib...o   "antonio.carlini" wrote: >  > MikeWJ wrote:u > >cK > >  I have a MicroVAX 3100/76.  I know that it has two scsi channels; thent4 > >  "internal" or scsia, and the external or scsib. > 6 > I assume you mean VAXstation 3100 Model 76 ... there> > was never a MicroVAX of that name. There was a MicroVAX 3100< > Model 96 ... I don't recall whether it's external SCSI was7 > separate (as on the VS3100-76) or just a continuationr > of the internal chain. > R > > On the scsia side, I have 3 RZ24's.  I would really like to upgrade these to aA > > disk of the same physical size, but offering larger capacity.  > 8 > Physically there is no problem ... all the modern SCSI5 > drives I have seen are small enough for your needs.  > 6 > As far as capacity goes, you won't be able to find aD > single drive down in the 600MB range (which is what you have now)! > M > > On the scsib side, I have (4) RZ57's and (2) RZ56's (in 3 SZ12's) and (1)e+ > > TLZ07L-DA.  And an internal TK50 drive.. > >n) > > One of the RZ56's is the system disk.i > # > I guess you only have two issues:u. >  a) the system disk must be 1.073GB or less,, >     otherwise you will not be able to boot, >     OpenVMS reliably (and your disk may be  >     corrupted during a crash).0 >  b) if you want to stick with COMPAQ supported+ >     drives only then you'll be limited ini/ >     capacity (and probably availability too).n > M > > What I'd like to do is to replace the RZ56's and RZ57's with RZ59's.  Alle, > > are SCSI.  I think the RZ59's would fit. > < > I don't know what an RZ59 is. From the number it should be5 > something physically the same size as an RZ56/57/58 3 > but offering more capacity that the RZ58s 1.38GB.o > : > If that's what it is, go ahead (although I've never seen; > one). If you meant RZ29 then be aware that although thesee; > drives are smaller, they pump out a fair bit of heat. Youf2 > probably want to ensure that you put them in the% > appropriate storageworks enclosure.  > M > > Is it possible to add more drives to the scsia? Internally or attached to Q > > another SZ12?  What I'm really after is the ability to have 2 TLZ07L-DA's fort9 > > backups and duplication of tapes for offsite storage.e > 6 > Why not swap out all the RZ24s for the biggest disks6 > you can fit in. If you want COMPAQ drives that would5 > be RZ28s at 2GB each (RZ29s will melt if mounted ino1 > that case). If you do not need COMPAQ supportedq0 > drives, then I've never failed with any SCSI-20 > disks in my VS3100-76 ... I've not tried since, > the days of the 1GB IBM and Fujitsu drives2 > but 20GB drives are so cheap these days it would8 > be a sin not to try one! (Remember that this cannot be5 > your boot disk ... an RZ26 is the biggest boot disks > you can have). > P > > I have 28 MB of memory and as soon as I find a 16MB "card", I'll swap it out( > > with one of the existing 12MB cards. > 4 > I give up ... I have no idea what machine you have6 > but a VAXstation 3100-76 does *not* use memory cards< > it uses SIMMs (although not your standard PC-style SIMMs).: > Are you sure you don't have a VAXstation 3100-38 (or -308 > or -40 or -48...)? Those all used memory cards. As did( > the MicroVAX 3100 Model 10/20/10e/20e. >  > From the console prompt try: >         >>> SHOW VER > or >         >>> SHOW CPU< > and it should tell you what machine it is (KA41-A, KA42-A,  > KA43 ... something like that). > K > > The 3100/76 is replacing a VAXcluster of (2) 4600's, (1) 3100/76, & (1) O > > 4000/vlc.  Current management would like ALL of the vax's to disappear (theiQ > > current platform of choice in Windows NT/2000) and the data transferred to ancQ > > Oracle database on a Compaq ML330.  Most of this is already completed, but weSS > > still have need of the Coda/Ingres/Misc databases on the VAX side of the house.a > < > The VS3100-76 is considerably slower than the VAX 4000-6006 > (and even slower than the DEC 4000-600 if you happen3 > to mean those above) so be sure to take that intoe
 > account! > 	 > Antonioc >  > -- >  > ---------------e/ > Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgn   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:16:18 -0400s* From: Doug Mallory <dmallory@interlog.com>$ Subject: NTP system time adjustment., Message-ID: <3AF016B2.D68676C4@interlog.com>  E I recall seeing a freeware NTP client software package somewhere thattB allowed sync'ing the VMS system clock to the atomic time standard.H I have been trying to find this, but don't know the name of the program., Can anyone tell me the name of this package?  
 Thanks, Doug.e   ------------------------------  " Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:21:58 GMT/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>O( Subject: Re: NTP system time adjustment.) Message-ID: <3AEFD1B6.4D7FCCCF@uiowa.edu>n   Doug Mallory wrote:e > G > I recall seeing a freeware NTP client software package somewhere thatdD > allowed sync'ing the VMS system clock to the atomic time standard.J > I have been trying to find this, but don't know the name of the program.. > Can anyone tell me the name of this package?  = 	I believe there are some, however just an FYI.  The PSFinger<F program (Penn State Finger) has an NTP client as well as LPR/LPD, etc.F I just use the NTP client and the Finger client myself.  It is trivialE to use and set and works for both VAX and Alpha.  I know it is on the,8 Freeware CDs or let me know and I can make it available.   Rick -- bH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:10:45 GMTr- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)-( Subject: Re: NTP system time adjustment./ Message-ID: <3af03118.7273478@swen.process.com>   J On Wed, 2 May 2001 14:21:58 GMT, "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> wrote:   >Doug Mallory wrote: >> aH >> I recall seeing a freeware NTP client software package somewhere thatE >> allowed sync'ing the VMS system clock to the atomic time standard.mK >> I have been trying to find this, but don't know the name of the program.i/ >> Can anyone tell me the name of this package?u >u> >	I believe there are some, however just an FYI.  The PSFingerG >program (Penn State Finger) has an NTP client as well as LPR/LPD, etc.tG >I just use the NTP client and the Finger client myself.  It is trivialtF >to use and set and works for both VAX and Alpha.  I know it is on the9 >Freeware CDs or let me know and I can make it available.h >xD He may be thinking of NBS, which isn't an NTP client, but does allowD you to synchronize the VMS system clock with an atomic clock.  I use NBS once a day instead of NTP.   http://www.process.com/openvms/s  3 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/nbs.zipn  E NBS works over the Internet, as well as over a modem, if you're stills living in the dark ages. ;-)   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/d9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:48:38 -0700I1 From: David D Miller <ddmiller@west.raytheon.com>a( Subject: Re: NTP system time adjustment.F Message-ID: <OF7AB93F12.FA359B27-ON07256A40.005C1C81@rsc.raytheon.com>   Doug:w  I The FINGER package developed by U of Penn includes NTP client (as well asaK several other things).  We (Bemidji State, not Raytheon) have been using itnA for years and years without a problem.  Sorry I don't have a URL.a   dave.n      E I recall seeing a freeware NTP client software package somewhere that B allowed sync'ing the VMS system clock to the atomic time standard.H I have been trying to find this, but don't know the name of the program., Can anyone tell me the name of this package?  
 Thanks, Doug.o   ------------------------------    Date: 03 May 2001 00:56:11 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>( Subject: Re: NTP system time adjustment.- Message-ID: <87g0enofkk.fsf@prep.synonet.com>g  , Doug Mallory <dmallory@interlog.com> writes:  G > I recall seeing a freeware NTP client software package somewhere thateD > allowed sync'ing the VMS system clock to the atomic time standard.J > I have been trying to find this, but don't know the name of the program.. > Can anyone tell me the name of this package?  B NTP is in the TPC kit, so why do you want another one? If you meanB using an atomic clock reference directly, no that is not currently possible alas.   http://www.ntp.org  H may be a place to start looking. I run NTP v4 on the linux box, and syncH from that. The linux box syncs to two Stratum 1 servers, and soon, a GPS PPS signal.n   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.6@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:00:59 +0100m0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!* Message-ID: <3AF0050B.7671FF63@uk.sun.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 	 > Andrew,  > L > >>> Its just a pity you didn't bother reading your own white papers beforeK > contributing to this thread it would have saved you and your supporters a85 > load of wasted time not to mention embarassment.<<<n > C > ok, lets do this again some time .. you said, I said, you said ..e >   6 Its called and argument Kerry, sometimes people never 4 agree, sometimes as in this case one person ends up 0 conceding that they were wrong from the outset.   3 And unless natural selection intervenes Kerry I am s2 sure we will be doing the same thing again in the  future.      regards  Andrew Harrison, Enterprise IT Architectd   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:31:22 +0930 % From: Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au>e) Subject: Re: PCs Need to Query RMS files.') Message-ID: <3AEFA2B2.3080904@vsm.com.au>    Hello Lock,0   Lock Horsburgh wrote:e  . > Thanks for all the replies, on ng and email. >  > So far we have:  > G > Easysoft (excellent example of a website that actually tells you whati7 > products they have, what they do, and what they cost)   H I looked at that one a few years ago.  It seemed to work OK and was easyE to set up, but proved unsuitable.  The reason was that we had severalfI hundred RMS files *identical in layout* but had to define a separate ODBC1F source for each one; there didn't seem to be a mechanism to select theH desired file at "run time" using a logical or whatever.  This migth have changed since then.h  N > SolutionsIQ CONNX - gives you a demo, says it can do Oracle, RDB and RMS allJ > in the same Query, but nothing about price. Site is not clear if it is a0 > reporting tool or just an ODBC driver or what.  H One of my customers uses this extensively and is very happy with it.  ToJ the best of my knowledge its an ODBC driver for RMS, not a reporting tool.H (If you want to contact my customer for their experiences, let me know.)  L > WRQ Verastream - visited, asked for info. I have used WRQ Reflection for > > 15 years, and like it a lot. > C > Synergex: web site is the worst I have ever seen for impenetrableCL > gobbledygook. Not sure I want to talk to these people, I have no idea whatM > they do for a living. Search on RMS + ODBC produces over 200 hits, but thenrN > you can't look at them without a password. Good idea, somebody might want to( > mess up their day by buying something.  H Synergex makes a software development system called "Synergy DBL".  It'sL DIBOL tarted up.  The product suite includes an ODBC driver, but from what IK can determine its focussed at Synergy DBL database constructs and might notXM be suitable for "generic" access to RMS files.  If you're not currently using  DIBOL don't worry about them.   N > Hummingbird: gobbledygook not as bad, but couldn't find any sensible product > info.e >s3 > Do it Yourself - too much to do, too little time.  >   O What happened to Attunity Connect?  That's the one that has "official blessing"i& from Compaq's OpenVMS marketing group.   Regards,           Jeremy Begge  =   +---------------------------------------------------------+e=   |            VSM Software Services Pty. Ltd.              |l=   |                 http://www.vsm.com.au/                  |n=   |       "OpenVMS Systems Management & Programming"        | =   |---------------------------------------------------------|n=   | P.O.Box 402, Walkerville, |  E-Mail:  jeremy@vsm.com.au |i=   | South Australia 5081      |   Phone:  +61 8 83592155    |0=   |---------------------------|  Mobile:  0414 422 947      |n=   |  A.C.N. 068 409 156       |     FAX:  +61 8 82231777    |s=   +---------------------------------------------------------+i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:14:20 -0400 - From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> / Subject: Re: SAMBA BUG: OpenVMS NOT VULNERABLE.b- Message-ID: <3AF0244C.425E8B8A@bellsouth.net>d  , Does anyone have a working SMB.CONF example?C when just browsing to see what "shares" are available, it request aw? password... and it has been 3-4 years since I was had a workingy VMS/Samba system....   Mike,e   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:t  9 > Recently SAMBA 2.2.0 and SAMBA 2.0.8 for UNIX platformsh8 > were released to fix a security hole where a malicious% > local user could corrupt disk data.l > 6 > This exploit can not be reproduced on any version of > Samba running on OpenVMS.t > 3 > OpenVMS permissions do not allow a non-privilegedb8 > local user from issuing the closest equivalent command > to begin the exploit.a >' > -Johna > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:28:21 -0400t5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>f= Subject: Spam, eggs, bacon, spam, spam ... attn: Hoff Hoffman 2 Message-ID: <zvzvOqyPsEoCMcE1USUQufKlBV3Z@4ax.com>  	     Hoff,u  ?     It looks like comp.os.vms (among other newsgroups) is beingm; spammed by tariq@nsquare.com.  I don't know if this is your @ correct e-mail address, so I'm posting to the newsgroup as well.   David R. Beatty    ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 13:16:57 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) A Subject: Re: Spam, eggs, bacon, spam, spam ... attn: Hoff Hoffmanh3 Message-ID: <DMDBxQ0zk1H8@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  j In article <zvzvOqyPsEoCMcE1USUQufKlBV3Z@4ax.com>, David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> writes: >  >     Hoff,r > A >     It looks like comp.os.vms (among other newsgroups) is beingr= > spammed by tariq@nsquare.com.  I don't know if this is yourhB > correct e-mail address, so I'm posting to the newsgroup as well. >  > David R. Beatty   F I have met Steve Hoffman, and somehow I doubt that he caused the SPAM.  C If you are offended by off-topic posts, you should forward each onesA to the X-Complaints address specified in the headers (sending them6 full headers) of messages posted by tariq@nsquare.com.   I did.  3 If everybody did the same, they will get the point.r  A I made a similar effort last week for a different spammer and goteD that many replies back this week saying the spammer was now a former customer of the domain owner.u   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:48:59 GMTe2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)A Subject: Re: Spam, eggs, bacon, spam, spam ... attn: Hoff Hoffman / Message-ID: <fMXH6.60$lP5.564@news.cpqcorp.net>   j In article <zvzvOqyPsEoCMcE1USUQufKlBV3Z@4ax.com>, David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> writes:   :Hoff,? :   It looks like comp.os.vms (among other newsgroups) is beings :spammed by ....  F   The comp.os.vms newsgroup is a public, unmoderated usenet newsgroup.  H   I am not a moderator of the comp.os.vms newsgroup, nor is there anyone   that is a moderator.  G   If you do not wish to see the message(s) from any particular poster,  B   you could either add the poster(s) and/or the thread(s) to your G   newsreader's killfile, and/or you could complain to the poster's ISP..D   If the poster(s) are spamming multiple newsgroups, you could bringF   this to the attention of the folks that run the spam cancelbots via A   the appropriate "abuse" newsgroups: see news.admin.net-abuse.*.a  F   Though it will not completely eliminate the spam, it is possible to B   move to a moderated newsgroup forum.  Alternatively, an OpenVMS F   forum could be moved to a more controlled members-only mechanism -- F   this approach is obviously yet more effective at avoiding off-topic    messages.   D   Like many other folks that read newsgroups, I do make regular use @   of my newsreader's killfile mechanism.  (Various email clientsB   offer varying degrees of filtering capabilities, for those folks<   that read the comp.os.vms postings via the INFO-VAX list.)    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:33:06 -0700h! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: SRM paramters from VMSl9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEOGCHAA.tom@kednos.com>a  < Is it possible to read the values of SRM variables from VMS?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:43:43 +0930o% From: Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au>50 Subject: Re: Tabular Timeline Tracking Tool (T4)) Message-ID: <3AEFA597.5000104@vsm.com.au>    Richard,    ^ >> In article <3AE82118.3E2B9AEF@uiowa.edu>, "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> writes:K >> :I have read about T4 a couple times now, but have not been able to findeH >> :it anywhere on the OpenVMS web pages or software rollout lists, etc. >> :K >> :Does anyone know the status of this product or where there is more infoo
 >> :about it?o >...@ > 	It has been mentioned in the OpenVMS Times.  It has a sectionF > in the current issue (Vol 2, #1) and I thought I saw it before in a ? > previous OpenVMS Times issue, but I can't confirm that now...   O My understanding is that T4 is a tool developed for internal use by the OpenVMSdO Performance Group (Bart Lederman and friends).  It consists of a set of DCL andc0 Perl scripts for parsing MONITOR recording data.   Regards,            Jeremy Begg  =   +---------------------------------------------------------+a=   |            VSM Software Services Pty. Ltd.              |c=   |                 http://www.vsm.com.au/                  |t=   |       "OpenVMS Systems Management & Programming"        | =   |---------------------------------------------------------|d=   | P.O.Box 402, Walkerville, |  E-Mail:  jeremy@vsm.com.au |e=   | South Australia 5081      |   Phone:  +61 8 83592155    |a=   |---------------------------|  Mobile:  0414 422 947      |s=   |  A.C.N. 068 409 156       |     FAX:  +61 8 82231777    |s=   +---------------------------------------------------------+8   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:37:15 +0200i. From: Maarten van Tilburg <mtilburg@planet.nl>8 Subject: Re: TCPIP V5.0a eco2 vs. V5.1 for remote system) Message-ID: <3AEFFF7B.1DE8B7B7@planet.nl>w   Richard Jordan wrote:, > H > I have a new DS10 running OpenVMS V7.2-1 being set up for installationD > at a remote site.  It will likely run what I put on it for quite aI > while (years) before anything is upgraded again, barring a catastrophict > bug showing up.i > F > I have the choice of running TCPIP V5.1, the current/new release, orF > V5.0a eco 2.  I've run base 5.0a and 5.0a eco 1 with no trouble, butG > don't have 5.1 anywhere yet.  If anyone here has experience with both C > releases (5.0a eco 2 and V5.1) I'd appreciate your opinion on theeD > relative reliability and stability of the two releases.  I have to5 > decide which to go with in the next couple of days.i > B > TCPIP usage is failry basic; telnet for terminal logins, FTP forE > transfer to peecee clients, and _maybe_ tftp to downline load firm-0D > ware updates for some netboxes at the remote site.  No DNS, almostF > certainly no SMTP (pending their decision... this is not an internet > conected site).e > 	 > Thanks!N > 
 > Rich Jordanp > rjordan@mcs.neta  C Last week I received 5.1 eco 1 and a preliminary eco 2 to resolve a ? problem (connects to a service did not get closed). Not yet ther# stability I would like to see. IMHOf   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 07:51:10 CDT = From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.310887.killspam.0162 (Wayne Sewell)<: Subject: Re: Test!  Please post a response if you see this. Message-ID: <sjGPl999AjFz@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  R In article <9cn7kk$cfl@dispatch.concentric.net>, "Laughingbear" <kg@vm.st> writes:   >  > Kim Laughingbear >  > --J > What exactly is so 'Open' about 'OpenVMS'?   Linux users want to know... > --    N Great, we've picked up an andy clone, another external heckler who has nothing: better to do than harrass vms people.  In a sig file, yet.    O Do you *really* want to know?  I didn't think you people had ever heard of vms.. Or is this yet another troll?   O FYI, the 'Open' prefix was laid on vms back in the dark times, the horrific era O when digital was actively trying to assassinate vms.  It was entirely marketingaN BS and meant absolutely nothing.  In fact, it caused a lot of problems becauseL people thought that VMS and OpenVMS were two different systems, when in factO the only difference between the two in millions of lines of code was the change9K of a text string from "VMS" to "OpenVMS" in a few places (such as the "show I system" display).  This was just one more of a string of stupid decisionsI digital made regarding vms.-  F I suppose the official reason for the "Open" was the fact that vms wasN reportedly more posix-compliant than any actual eunuchs available at the time,J though apparently most people were unsatisfied with the performance of theD posix subsystem.  Never tried it myself, since pollution of vms with6 eunuchs-spawned code is something *other* people want.     Waynes -- rO ===============================================================================tM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxt: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)rO ===============================================================================hB Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?"+ Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"k   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:48:47 GMTe= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)uY Subject: Re: The DFWCUG's DFWDAYS 2001 Presentations are online (as well as a few photos e0 Message-ID: <009FB65C.6702A821@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <3AEF9D07.43F79CA7@vmsone.com>, John Wisniewski <wisniewski@vmsone.com> writes:' >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:l >  >> >>O >> How is it that you boys in the DFWCUG can pull together your event's sessionwO >> materials in a matter of days and get them published on the web and the CETS-O >> national event -- now 6 months and counting prior -- can't get their event'si1 >> sessions together and distributed as promised?R >> >sO >Now now...    We're much much smaller and an all volunteer organization... andrM >are dealing with much fewer sessions then CETS will host..   And our WEBsiteP >does run on VMS;-)   ; smaller org. & smaller event vs. larger org. & larger evente  H IIRC, it didn't take but about 4 months to produce the S.D. 99 event CD.    ^ > I'm just sorry I didn't have the time to convert the PPT files to PDF files so they could be >viewedgT >on a VMS machine too.  (The single conversions were taking over 30 minutes for each0 >presentation and adding 1.5Mbytes to t hem ...)  G A meg and half is nothing.  It would be worth it to make them generally- more useful.    R >Also I would point out that not all of our Volunteers and Leadership  are male...  H Perhaps a poor euphemism for your gang of Texans.  Try SUB/boys/folks/WH   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMP            aO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:43:24 -0400o  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.comY Subject: Re: The DFWCUG's DFWDAYS 2001 Presentations are online (as well as afew photos oo4 Message-ID: <C2256A40.005000FE.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  O The link to dfwdays http://vmsone.com/dfwdays/ cannot be reached from here thisr morning.        / wisniewski@vmsone.com on 05/01/2001 03:52:56 PMl  ' Please respond to wisniewski@vmsone.comd   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com- cc:aN Subject:  The DFWCUG's DFWDAYS 2001 Presentations are online (as well as a fewP       photos of our friends and HAL...) photos of our friends and HAL...) photos        of our friends and HAL...)         http://www.dfwcug.org/  . If you were there... Stroll down memory lane..  H If you weren't there... Lots of great OpenVMS  engineering presentationsA to catch up on and some Pictures for your Screen Saver so you canr pretend that your were!e  B And a shout out to Bob Gezelter... Bob.. If you don't send us yourD homepage URL(s) we can't link your photos to them (as we  promised). We hope that thatw; USB camera you won at DFWDAYS has found some use already;-)o   Be seeing you,   John Wisniewskig 44th level Adept of the DFWCUG wisniewski@vmsone.comt   Please note:  G The DFWCUG committee for overseeing other committees have censored somen> of our more sensitive photographs for security reasons.  HAL's
 construction,rH The Bunker of Doom's interior, drinking incredibly large cups of coffee,B and studying for the FCC's HAM RADIO test have been removed in the interest of theiC public good.  Do not ask for private   viewings, you will be turnedn down...    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:59:18 -0400-  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.comY Subject: Re: The DFWCUG's DFWDAYS 2001 Presentations are online (as well as afew photos oN4 Message-ID: <C2256A40.0046791E.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  O The link to dfwdays http://vmsone.com/dfwdays/ cannot be reached from here thisp morning.        / wisniewski@vmsone.com on 05/01/2001 03:52:56 PMe  ' Please respond to wisniewski@vmsone.coml   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.coma cc:hN Subject:  The DFWCUG's DFWDAYS 2001 Presentations are online (as well as a fewP       photos of our friends and HAL...) photos of our friends and HAL...) photos        of our friends and HAL...)         http://www.dfwcug.org/  . If you were there... Stroll down memory lane..  H If you weren't there... Lots of great OpenVMS  engineering presentationsA to catch up on and some Pictures for your Screen Saver so you cann pretend that your were!   B And a shout out to Bob Gezelter... Bob.. If you don't send us yourD homepage URL(s) we can't link your photos to them (as we  promised). We hope that thatt; USB camera you won at DFWDAYS has found some use already;-)e   Be seeing you,   John Wisniewskio 44th level Adept of the DFWCUG wisniewski@vmsone.comn   Please note:  G The DFWCUG committee for overseeing other committees have censored somew> of our more sensitive photographs for security reasons.  HAL's
 construction,rH The Bunker of Doom's interior, drinking incredibly large cups of coffee,B and studying for the FCC's HAM RADIO test have been removed in the interest of thepC public good.  Do not ask for private   viewings, you will be turnedD down...e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:19:24 -0400o  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.comY Subject: Re: The DFWCUG's DFWDAYS 2001 Presentations are online (as well asafew photos ofe4 Message-ID: <C2256A40.005E4845.00@jklh21.valmet.com>   False alarm.  L I got a burst of mail from this and other lists about 12:45pm EDT, and could then get to this URL, so5 I think the problem must have been (as Pogo said) us.y Sorry.  K Note:  This post below was one of them, so nothing between before 10:am ando then.s         Norm Raphael@METSO 05/02/2001 08:59 AMn  @ Please respond to CN=Norm Raphael/OU=Worcester/O=Neles-Jamesbury   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comn4 cc:    (bcc: Norm Raphael/Worcester/Neles-Jamesbury)L Subject:  Re: The DFWCUG's DFWDAYS 2001 Presentations are online (as well asN       afew photos of our friends and HAL...) photos of our friends and HAL...)&       photosof our friends and HAL...)            O The link to dfwdays http://vmsone.com/dfwdays/ cannot be reached from here thise morning.        / wisniewski@vmsone.com on 05/01/2001 03:52:56 PM-  ' Please respond to wisniewski@vmsone.com.   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com: cc:eN Subject:  The DFWCUG's DFWDAYS 2001 Presentations are online (as well as a fewP       photos of our friends and HAL...) photos of our friends and HAL...) photos        of our friends and HAL...)         http://www.dfwcug.org/  . If you were there... Stroll down memory lane..  H If you weren't there... Lots of great OpenVMS  engineering presentationsA to catch up on and some Pictures for your Screen Saver so you can  pretend that your were!   B And a shout out to Bob Gezelter... Bob.. If you don't send us yourD homepage URL(s) we can't link your photos to them (as we  promised). We hope that thats; USB camera you won at DFWDAYS has found some use already;-)    Be seeing you,   John Wisniewskie 44th level Adept of the DFWCUG wisniewski@vmsone.com2   Please note:  G The DFWCUG committee for overseeing other committees have censored somec> of our more sensitive photographs for security reasons.  HAL's
 construction,rH The Bunker of Doom's interior, drinking incredibly large cups of coffee,B and studying for the FCC's HAM RADIO test have been removed in the interest of theeC public good.  Do not ask for private   viewings, you will be turnedo down...s   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 09:03:09 GMT0/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>a Subject: Re: TIN 1.4.4) Message-ID: <9coigd$50$2@news1.Radix.Net>   1 Zane H. Healy <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote:oK > Has anyone gotten Tin 1.4.4 off of the Freeware V5.0 CD-ROM working?  I'moB > guessing I'm doing something wrong.  I'm trying to run it on an K > AlphaStation 200 4/233 running OpenVMS V7.2 and TCPIP V5.0.  Actaully I'mrL > suspecting that this might be the problem as I've not yet tried rebuilding > Tin from the sources.   L perhaps (I built/tested on 7.2-1, the executables on the cdrom were built by someone else on 6.x)..   -- := Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>o http://dickey.his.comv ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 08:17:14 CDT:= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.310887.killspam.0162 (Wayne Sewell)o Subject: Re: TIN 1.4.4. Message-ID: <l9G1geey1NhJ@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  g In article <efJH6.25$7O2.943@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:tK > Has anyone gotten Tin 1.4.4 off of the Freeware V5.0 CD-ROM working?  I'm B > guessing I'm doing something wrong.  I'm trying to run it on an K > AlphaStation 200 4/233 running OpenVMS V7.2 and TCPIP V5.0.  Actaully I'mhL > suspecting that this might be the problem as I've not yet tried rebuilding > Tin from the sources.t >  > Here is what happens:r >  > $ tinwK > tin 1.4.4 release 20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") [Unknown] (c) Copyright  > 1991-9% > 9 Iain Lea & Tod McQuillin & other.aK > Aracnet Internet's news server -- Powered by Typhoon [Z] (Typhoon v1.2.2)5% > Reading groups from active file...-s > Checking for new groups...# > Reading global attributes file...a > Reading attributes file... > Reading newsgroups file.../p= > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtualv > address=6D2E6D2E6D2E( > 6D2C, PC=6D2E6D2E6D2E6D2C, PS=0000001B > 4 >   Improperly handled condition, image exit forced.3 >     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005 3 >                         Name   = 000000000000000Cn3 >                                  0000000000010000h3 >                                  6D2E6D2E6D2E6D2C 3 >                                  6D2E6D2E6D2E6D2C,3 >                                  000000000000001Bh >  >     Register dump:L >     R0  = 0000000000000000  R1  = 0000000000000001  R2  = 6D2E6D2E6D2E6D2EL >     R3  = 6D2E6D2E6D2E6D2E  R4  = 6D2E6D2E6D2E6D2E  R5  = 6D2E6D2E6D2E6D2EL >     R6  = 6D2E6D2E6D2E6D2E  R7  = 6D2E6D2E6D2E6D2E  R8  = 6D2E6D2E6D2E6D2EL >     R9  = 2E746C612E006D2E  R10 = 2E746C612E746C61  R11 = 2E746C612E746C61L >     R12 = 2E746C612E746C61  R13 = 2E746C612E746C61  R14 = 2E746C612E746C61L >     R15 = 000000007B013990  R16 = 00000000002FF53C  R17 = 0000000000000000L >     R18 = 0000000000448080  R19 = 0000000000000000  R20 = 0000000000000000L >     R21 = 0000000000000000  R22 = 000000007AED5658  R23 = 0000000000000001L >     R24 = 0000000000000040  R25 = 0000000000000003  R26 = 6D2E6D2E6D2E6D2EL >     R27 = FFFFFFFF80CB5440  R28 = 000000007BEFC018  R29 = 2E746C612E746C61L >     SP  = 000000007AED5A20  PC  = 6D2E6D2E6D2E6D2C  PS  = 200000000000001B > $  > H >  ACCVIO,  access violation executing program 'string' request for node >           'string' >  >   Facility:     AMDS, DECamdsc > I >   Explanation:  A Data Analyzer request for data from the Data Provider  > could L >                 not be serviced due to inaccessibility of data on the Data  >                 Provider node. > I >   User Action:  Contact a Compaq support representative, indicating the- > system< >                 environment at the time of the corruption. >  >  > H > Doing a 'tcpdump' of traffic going through my firewall shows that it'sF > definitly trying to talk to the newserver, and that the newserver is > answering up.A > - > Anyone have any ideas what I'm doing wrong?.    K Looks to me like a bug in the code.  The stack is being overwritten with an H ascii string.   Notice that all the hex values above correspond to asciiK characters.   This typically happens when you allocate a stack-based stringeK variable of a certain size and then copy a larger string into it.  Once you N pass the end of the allocated string, you are wildwriting into the stack, withM unpredictable results.  The accvio occurs because the return address has been.! overwritten by the acsii chars.  s    8 The following could cause an error similar to the above.     void bogus(void)   {f char little_str[10];  J strcpy(little_str,"abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"); },    K Since the bug appears to be in TIN, I'm not sure what you can do other than-M debug the code yourself or report the error back to whoever is maintining it.   J Hint: if you interpret the acsii characters, you may be able to search the/ source to find where the string is coming from.-    
 For instance:-   > address=6D2E6D2E6D2E6D2C             m . m . m . m ,e         -- MO ===============================================================================1M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxA: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)-O ===============================================================================bB Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?"+ Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"7   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:40:58 GMTp2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: TIN 1.4.43 Message-ID: <KEXH6.39$7O2.1678@typhoon.aracnet.com>   0 Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> wrote:L >> AlphaStation 200 4/233 running OpenVMS V7.2 and TCPIP V5.0.  Actaully I'mM >> suspecting that this might be the problem as I've not yet tried rebuildingh >> Tin from the sources.  N > perhaps (I built/tested on 7.2-1, the executables on the cdrom were built by > someone else on 6.x).e  K OK, I also realized right after posting the last message that I was lookingeL at the wrong error entry for ACCVIO. (oops)  It looks like the key statementN in the correct error entry is " indicate that the instruction caused a length J violation (bit 0)".  I'm wondering if the problem isn't the huge number ofK newsgroups my ISP carries.  I know this causes problems for a couple of then# other newsreaders that run OpenVMS.   H It also strikes me as odd how long it takes to go through the following:  # Reading groups from active file...-o Checking for new groups...! Reading global attributes file...a Reading attributes file... Reading newsgroups file.../o  K I've not timed it, but it's something like 15-20 minutes, and it looks like:K it blows up right about the time the process size hits 6MB (750 pages).  SouG I'm wondering if I need to bump up some quota, but I don't see anythingGF obvious.  The user account currently has all quota's at the defaults I believe.   			Zanee   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:38:31 +0930i% From: Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au>e4 Subject: Re: VAX Just Stops - Not the Usual Suspects) Message-ID: <3AEFB26F.5020502@vsm.com.au>h   Hi Rob,     F > A few days ago the VAX just stopped and has repeated this four times > now. reboot cures it.'< > It's not crashed, doesn't get to >>>, doesn't memory dump. > No hardware errors logged.6 > Nothing in Operator.Log, Memory Page files are fine.C > It seems to be random and, last night, was when it was doing veryw	 > little.   D Sounds to me like SCSI bus locking up, I've seen this several times.B Either the SCSI controller is going bad or one of your disks has aH fault in its controller.  You don't get any entries logged in ERRLOG.SYSI or OPERATOR.LOG because the SCSI bus lock-up stops VMS from writing them.M  B Get Compaq in to replace the SCSI controller (which probably means" replacing the MV3100 motherboard).   Regards,            Jeremy Begg  =   +---------------------------------------------------------+h=   |            VSM Software Services Pty. Ltd.              |u=   |                 http://www.vsm.com.au/                  |u=   |       "OpenVMS Systems Management & Programming"        | =   |---------------------------------------------------------|o=   | P.O.Box 402, Walkerville, |  E-Mail:  jeremy@vsm.com.au |==   | South Australia 5081      |   Phone:  +61 8 83592155    |==   |---------------------------|  Mobile:  0414 422 947      |7=   |  A.C.N. 068 409 156       |     FAX:  +61 8 82231777    |h=   +---------------------------------------------------------+s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 12:50:01 +0100=- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>l4 Subject: Re: VAX Just Stops - Not the Usual Suspects) Message-ID: <3AEFF469.65DA8398@bbc.co.uk>    Rob Buxton wrote:-   >-C > I've just replaced the System Console. It's an oldish VDU but I'mSD > clutching at straws a bit.... maybe it was freezing and preventing > requests ?  F I did have a console die on a  VAX 4000-100 at a remote site recently,E system was effectively dead except for existing server processes. Bute# what use is NFS if you can't login?s  D Certainly worth elimiating the console as a potential trouble maker.   regardst   >  > See how that goes.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofm MedAS or the BBC.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 07:51:12 -0600r From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>s4 Subject: Re: VAX Just Stops - Not the Usual Suspects' Message-ID: <3AF010D0.76E63018@srv.net>e  A You might want to try starting up a 'mon sys' on a free terminal,t; and see what it says and does when the system is locked up.r< Since it should update about every 10 seconds, it might show3 what was happening when things started to go wrong.   ? It may show resource problems. It may lock up (which means it'se< unlikely to be a disk IO problem unless it got swapped out).9 Is the last CPU busy displayed high (runaway process) ando' who is listed as the 'Cur Top' for cpu?h3 If you Control/C, do you get the 'MONITOR>' prompt?.  ? You may want to monitor other things depending on how this actsy> to try to isolate the problem. Probably won't lead directly to7 the problem but might point you in the right direction..   Rob Buxton wrote:e > . > On Tue, 01 May 2001 20:35:35 -0400, JF Mezei' > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  >  > >Rob Buxton wrote:? > >> It's not crashed, doesn't get to >>>, doesn't memory dump.' > >> No hardware errors logged.o > > M > >When it gets to that state, what happens if you try to SET HOST to the VAX>	 > >node ?k > / > Set Hosts just timeout as do telnet requests.h > >oJ > >When I had problems with process creation,  it would report back on theQ > >working machine the reason the session couldn't be created on the target node.c > >u; > Don't think I'm getting to the point of process creation.s > M > >on the working node, are you able to SHOW SYS/NODE=vaxnode ?  I have foundAQ > >that this command works "deep" inside the machine even when the machine appearf > >dead on the surface.  > >mA > Nope, The cluster is effectively hung. The remaining node staysnG > visible to DECAMDS but because the majority of the disks are now in avD > mount verify state and because logins on the second node cannot be7 > actioned I can't do anything from the second machine.  > M > >Is it possible that your system disk gets filled ? VMS will freeze in suchaR > >circumstances to ensure that no unlawful activity happens without being logged. > > H > Nope, I rebuilt the System Disk when we went to 7.2. It's got loads ofG > space. It would have to be something that created a 3GB File and then  > released it on reboot! > ( > >> The only odd message I've seen was:C > >> arp, Illegal IRP address used by Hardware Address 00-80-64-15!  > >f' > >That is generated by TCPIP services.O > C > I've just replaced the System Console. It's an oldish VDU but I'mkD > clutching at straws a bit.... maybe it was freezing and preventing > requests ? > See how that goes.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 08:15:17 -0700/ From: "Marc Chametzky" <Marc.Chametzky@Sun.Com> 4 Subject: Re: VAX Just Stops - Not the Usual Suspects1 Message-ID: <9cp83u$b5q$1@westnews1.West.Sun.COM>t  F > A few days ago the VAX just stopped and has repeated this four times > now. reboot cures it. < > It's not crashed, doesn't get to >>>, doesn't memory dump.  J I looked through the message and I didn't see any mention of you forcing aI crash dump. You may have meant that when you said that it "doesn't get todH >>>" meaning that you pressed your Halt button and nothing happened, but just in case...   L You should definitely try that so you can see what's going on inside VMS. InG case you don't have some crash dump instructions handy, press your HaltsH button (I'm not sure what it would be on a MV 3100, but I suspect it's aJ small button on the backside of the machine). Then, at the >>> prompt, do:       >>> d/g f ffffffff     >>> d psl 1f0000	     >>> co  5 Then VMS will get an INVEXCPTN and dump merrily away.y  J Of course, if your Halt button is unresponsive, this whole message is null
 and void. :-)l   --Marc   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:21:39 +0100t0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>P Subject: Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference* Message-ID: <3AEFFBD3.AA01B0C0@uk.sun.com>   Christopher Smith wrote: >  > > -----Original Message-----; > > From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]c > 5 > > Of course if you believe the MS spiel on "Scalinge3 > > Out", which is basically lots of small boxes ine7 > > a cluster with a parallel app on top, which Compaqsm5 > > brass obviously do then of course Intel boxes cane! > > be enterprise servers. :):):)  > K > Well, there's nothing wrong with clusters and parallel apps.  The problem M > --as with anything -- is when you have a weak architecture supporting them,  > they tend to collapse. :)h >   C I agree to a point with your statement about clusters and parallel o; apps, there is however the best tool for the job and for a o< large number of applications clusters are not the right tool- to use to deliver scalability and throughput.O  < Your cluster needs to have some basic core functions as well? which MS cluster Server does not, such as a global filesystem, s' global devices, locking, recovery etc. s    M > On the other hand, if you have a cluster done right, you may not notice theLN > collapse of a machine here and there.  In assuming that, though, we're faced; > with the question:  When has M$ ever done anything right?o >   D Well this will make you laugh. I have just been responsible for the ? deployment of a Seibel CRM solution to 6 data center locations  @ world wide. its based on clustered Sun E4500's in each location ? and an NT cluster in each location. The version of Seibel they s3 were deploying did not run on Solaris at the time. n  A The NT boxes were origionally specified with MCS, that was until .? the customer discovered that MCS does not support IIS properly.a   In fact it does not work.    Regardsc Andrew Harrisonm Enterprise IT Architectn   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 12:03:08 -0500l+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>aP Subject: RE: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconferenceL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1DEF@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]t  ; > > Well, there's nothing wrong with clusters and parallel   > apps.  The problem? > > --as with anything -- is when you have a weak architecture c > supporting them, > > they tend to collapse. :)r  E > I agree to a point with your statement about clusters and parallel a= > apps, there is however the best tool for the job and for a a> > large number of applications clusters are not the right tool/ > to use to deliver scalability and throughput.:  F True enough.  It's relatively certain that for any given tool, a largeL number of applications are ill-suited. :)  You either pick the best tool, or$ you forfeit productivity (at least).  > > Your cluster needs to have some basic core functions as wellA > which MS cluster Server does not, such as a global filesystem, n) > global devices, locking, recovery etc. V  H You certainly won't get an argument from me there -- perhaps they shouldI have called it "MS hot failover." (Doesn't have the same ring to it, doesp it?)   > though, we're faced = > > with the question:  When has M$ ever done anything right?   C > The NT boxes were origionally specified with MCS, that was until  A > the customer discovered that MCS does not support IIS properly.-   > In fact it does not work.   L That wouldn't surprise me except that a web-server must be the easiest thingE in the world to adapt to a cluster environment -- especially when you K consider that most of them handle requests by either starting new processesh or threads.c  L I'm sure microsoft would be happy to know how much their "technology" amazes& me, but very upset to find out why. :)   Regards,   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer4 Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");o 'e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 12:41:51 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>t> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%) Message-ID: <3AEFF27F.BA699B9A@bbc.co.uk>e  $ system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu wrote:  I > [ How does one determine and/or talk about an absolute morality withoutr > an absolute source/reference?a  J You don't. Its ALL relative, depending on ones perspective of observation.  K OK, to a good approximation somethings are "absolute", but if you look deepD	 enough...    Enough of this.6     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk0  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 08:32:21 -05002- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)0> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%3 Message-ID: <MbEppCQ$w91v@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Q In article <9cmvg3$kg9$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>, system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu writes:6 > G > How does one determine and/or talk about an absolute morality without9 > an absolute source/reference?C >   C My absolute source appears to be different from yours.  I trust the4@ universe I live in to be the final arbitrator.  I can accept theF existence of absolute morality without having to hang it off somethingF or personify it.  The real problem in moral differences is that we allF have mnperfect human understanding of morality, no matter what we deem the source.0  H I know this is off topic, but we've discussed quantum physics, theology,E politics, (insert OS) vs. VMS, and Andrew in this forum and only the 0? latter two seems to raise extended flaming threads.  Gotta have 8 something to talk about since VMS is so stable and easy.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationo= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupeE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingr   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 13:38:13 GMTv# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%+ Message-ID: <9cp2k5$dod$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>h  0 "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com> writes:0 ><system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu> wrote [snipped]  I >Ah, excellent.  So, where is the proof that "scripture" was written by akF >god?  I've only seen books written by women and men, inspired by manyI >things.  I would propose that your writings are inspired by your belief  0 >in a god, but that does not prove there is one.  F I don't believe anybody here suggested that it did prove the existanceA of God.  My point was that Rob's analysis was structurally sound.g   >Seeking simple proof,  D In my only somewhat humble opinion, based on looking at the evidenceI and reading other learned people's analysis and opinions of the evidence,wD the best you are going to get is a plausability argument, in the end! you have to make a leap of faith.y  @ I realize that is not very satisfying to you but that is the way it looks to me.h  E Of course I don't believe you should be able to come to a conclusive uD proof so you will have to take the possibility of bias into account.   >Aaron   Peace, Robert   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 13:56:27 GMTi# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%+ Message-ID: <9cp3mb$dod$2@husk.cso.niu.edu>=  0 "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com> writes:$ ><Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com> wrote  M >> If you hold one thing absolutely true, in the way of a christian believingwL >> god to exist, it is possible to derive further absolute truths from that.C >> The original premise does not have to be the existance of a god.= >= >Shane,= >=5 >Aren't you narrowing your perspective excessively?     D For all that I disagree with Shane I don't think so, if for no otherD reason than his last sentence refers to "a god" rather than "god" or "God".   >Christians are a smallaJ >percentage of the religions on this planet (~30% last time I checked).  IL >agree with the rest of your post, but I don't think the conversation shouldJ >be directed at just one sect, even if Christians seem to be the ones mostK >likely to try to force their beliefs on others (i.e., "convert heathens").d  - If you want to see force go visit Afganistan.p  H No, the Taliban is *not* typical of Islam, and I wouldn't want a countryD run according to Pat Robertson (though that would be closer to SaudiF Arabia, with women needing permission from their male guardian to get A drivers licenses, than Afganistan) you paint with a simultanously @ overbroad brush (lumping all Christians together) and overnarrowA perspective (ignoring what is going on in the rest of the world).u   Robert Morphis   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:14:07 -04002 From: Mihali Felipe <mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu>> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%L Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10105021004380.2086-100000@rock.geology.yale.edu>  # On Wed, 2 May 2001, Alphaman wrote:e  I > ... I would propose that your writings are inspired by your belief in as, > god, but that does not prove there is one. > Seeking simple proof,  > Aaron(  I People don't live by proofs, they live by evidences. Even physical "laws"sE become laws by evident consistency, not proofs. And without belief inhD these physical laws, Dennis Tito wouldn't have "faith" enough to putG himself in a Soyuz capsule to bring himself to the space station. ThereoI are no known proofs for God, and in particular none will be found for the32 Christian God (I Cor 1). There are only evidences.     - Mihali 	X@ +-------------------------------------+------------------------+@ | Mihali Felipe                       | mihali.felipe@yale.edu |@ | Yale University                     | OFFC (203)432-9808     |@ | Department of Geology and Geophysics| FAX  (203)432-3134     |@ | Box 208109                          |                        |@ | New Haven, CT  06520-8109           |                        |@ +-------------------------------------+------------------------+   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 14:31:00 GMT.# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edus> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%+ Message-ID: <9cp5n4$dod$4@husk.cso.niu.edu>   / koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: & >system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu writes:  -H >> How does one determine and/or talk about an absolute morality without  >> an absolute source/reference?  D >My absolute source appears to be different from yours.  I trust theA >universe I live in to be the final arbitrator.  I can accept the-G >existence of absolute morality without having to hang it off somethingiG >or personify it.  The real problem in moral differences is that we all G >have imperfect human understanding of morality, no matter what we deem  >the source.  K Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view) I am trying-F to wrap up my non-work related USENET activities, but at some point I < would be interested in hearing/reading an expansion on that.   Robert   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2001 14:25:48 GMTp# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edub> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%+ Message-ID: <9cp5dc$dod$3@husk.cso.niu.edu>   - young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:z& >system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu writes:0 >> young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:  * >> Out of curiousity, are you a Calvinist?  7 >	Getting technical on us now... but the answer is yes!   ! So much for this conversation :-)t  @ We are both Christians but our differences would require I spendB much more time and effort than I have to adequitely explain where C I am coming from and how I view the Bible and how I view your view .
 of the Bible.w  F I acknowledge the rest of your response, thanks for taking the trouble to visit my web site.o   Peace be with you, Robert Morphis   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:35:01 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comn> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%D Message-ID: <OFEA59F833.0319E703-ON88256A40.005A37A6@foundation.com>  F Merely simplifying the language a little by using a token example. TheD basic idea applies regardless of which religion, although the detailJ varies. Scientology, for example, has no god as such. Their core teachingsJ come from a human. Heh, come to think of it, there's an example of a wholeD group with a shared, absolute moral code but no god. Not that I likeH holding that bunch up as an example of anything, mind you. Or mentioningK them in the same breath as the Christians, who in general I actually have at lot of respect for.s   Shaneg          @ Alphaman <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com> on 05/01/2001 09:17:32 PM  8 Please respond to Alphaman <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:T  ? Subject:  Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%r    H <Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com> wrote in message news:OF85CC4735.5F64C6A9-B > If you hold one thing absolutely true, in the way of a christian	 believingtK > god to exist, it is possible to derive further absolute truths from that. B > The original premise does not have to be the existance of a god.   Shane,  J Aren't you narrowing your perspective excessively?  Christians are a smallI percentage of the religions on this planet (~30% last time I checked).  I K agree with the rest of your post, but I don't think the conversation shouldkI be directed at just one sect, even if Christians seem to be the ones mosthJ likely to try to force their beliefs on others (i.e., "convert heathens").K Christians specifically believe that a man named Jesus Christ was the childmH of a god; there are many other religions that believe in god(s) and holdI those personal beliefs to be the foundation of their religions' "absoluteo truths".  ? I just don't want to come across as picking on Christians only.    Aarons --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html> Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:00:21 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>lM Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% - WAAAAY OT!!!o8 Message-ID: <sifvetk15obkje1kdtu3610rmnj1bkal7t@4ax.com>  D On 1 May 2001 09:48:03 CDT, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.310887.killspam.0162 (Wayne Sewell) wrote:I  n >In article <oU+7QkWqIEt0@eisner.encompasserve.org>, hamilton@encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes: >> OMG - :-) >> f1 >> Can this thread be taken to alt.religions.*???t >> . > J >I very much apologize to the group for starting all this.  Ironically, myM >original point was that religion does not belong in a technical group in any G >form.  So then a full-blown discussion of theology starts.  Go figure.   9 You have to mention Hitler to bring the thread to an end.o -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 12:39:52 +0100e- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>I Subject: Re: [OT] Religion) Message-ID: <3AEFF208.E186FBD2@bbc.co.uk>t   Charles Sebold wrote:i  # > On 8 Iyar 5761, Alan Greig wrote:o >rH > > Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. IE > > have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share thatnH > > knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defendD > > the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that; > > Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination.t > >>J > > I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other specific) > > Biblical laws and how to follow them.r  ? he he Alan, playing "wind up the religious nuts" are we :-) :-)w   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukc  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofr MedAS or the BBC.3   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.245 ************************