1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 03 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 247       Contents: - FTSO and FTSV , RE: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed* Re: Anyone got any Volker-Craig Terminals?* Re: Anyone got any Volker-Craig Terminals?* Re: Anyone got any Volker-Craig Terminals?* RE: Anyone got any Volker-Craig Terminals?H Re: Bypassing LOGOUT.COM (was: Re: TCP/IP 5.1 Allow Host Table To Wiped) Re: Capellas Knows VMS Re: Capellas Knows VMS! Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA) ! Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA) ! Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)   Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printer  Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printer Re: DECpacketprobe Re: DFU tool Vs. DFO Re: DFU tool Vs. DFO Re: dialback telnet?F Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets theblame& Re: Help needed with UCX TELNET/CREATE( Re: invalid media_format yamaha CRW6416S( Re: invalid media_format yamaha CRW6416S( Re: invalid media_format yamaha CRW6416S( Re: invalid media_format yamaha CRW6416S( Re: invalid media_format yamaha CRW6416S Re: IP over Fibre Channel... Re: KVM Switch LAT v Telnet Performance Re: LAT v Telnet Performance Re: LAT v Telnet Performance Re: LAT v Telnet Performance Re: LAT v Telnet Performance Re: LAT v Telnet Performance Re: LAT v Telnet Performance MC MIME : extract/ALL ? + Re: MIME Encoder on OpenVMS in C available? $ Re: moving 6.2 from Pelican to 433AU$ RE: moving 6.2 from Pelican to 433AU: Multiple languages and Gnome/GTK+/KDE, was: Re: Open Motif Re: Need help with a 3100/76 Re: NTP system time adjustment.  Re: Open Motif Re: Open Motif Re: Open Motif  Re: PCs Need to Query RMS files. Re: Screen Scarpers?8 Re: Spam, eggs, bacon, spam, spam ... attn: Hoff Hoffman8 Re: Spam, eggs, bacon, spam, spam ... attn: Hoff Hoffman8 Re: Spam, eggs, bacon, spam, spam ... attn: Hoff Hoffman
 Re: TIN 1.4.4 
 Re: TIN 1.4.4 % Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation % Re: Wanted: VAX or microVax in the UK 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2001 10:52:28 -0500 # From: medleyb@ev1.net (Bert Medley)  Subject: - FTSO and FTSV: Message-ID: <Xns9096794FC684Amedleybev1net@207.218.245.68>  E I have an application that uses FTSV as a core technology.  It is my  L understanding that FTSV will not be supported under OpenVMS 7.2 (soon to be I released).  Does anyone have any expereience porting C applications that  ' use FTSV to FTSO?  Looking for input...    Thanks!    ------------------------------  / Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:23:40 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>5 Subject: RE: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed 6 Message-ID: <200105030619.IAA19554@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Kerry Main wrotes:   >>> K Try and find a dual cpu (or more) server from any of the major players with L each cpu having greater than 1Ghz speed. The top x86 servers from Compaq and2 Dell are in the range of 700Mhz and 900Mhz models. <<<   ? AFAIK AMD do produce a dual processor PC with 1.4Ghz clocktime.    Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:52:13 GMT ! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> 3 Subject: Re: Anyone got any Volker-Craig Terminals? 8 Message-ID: <20h2ftctc0tm1pvldspf95spbamtha5315@4ax.com>  $ No Frank, a PC emulator will NOT do.1 an emulator is NOT a physical piece of equipment. ; I want the actual terminal, not a crappy piece of software.   D so, once again, if you or anyone else has one of these to get rid of let me know.  0 emulators are a dime a dozen, and useless to me.   B.F On 2 May 2001 16:26:59 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:  9 >In article <lluuet82n4f5u36im25k05lds9bh6j2efd@4ax.com>, $ >Beyonder  <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote:( >: Any for sale, lease, trade, whatever? >:  = >I don't know, but if a PC-based emulator will do, Kermit 95:  > * >  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html > . >includes Volker-Craig 404 and 4404 emulation. >  >- Frank   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:20:39 -0400   From: jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil3 Subject: Re: Anyone got any Volker-Craig Terminals? 0 Message-ID: <01050308203918@beast.dtsw.army.mil>  E Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote on Thu, 03 May 2001 11:52:13 GMT in - <20h2ftctc0tm1pvldspf95spbamtha5315@4ax.com>:   & > No Frank, a PC emulator will NOT do.3 > an emulator is NOT a physical piece of equipment. = > I want the actual terminal, not a crappy piece of software.   I I think that Kermit is one of the all time best(*) programs in the world.   F > so, once again, if you or anyone else has one of these to get rid of > let me know.  H You offend me by calling a package I like "crappy" and then go on to ask me to help you?   2 > emulators are a dime a dozen, and useless to me.  B Just because it is useless to you, does not make it a bad program., It is a poor articifer who blames his tools.  ? (*) very useful, easy to operate, many, many features, etc. and      probably most used.   : Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com5 TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919 ; 2024 West Street, Suite 300              800-810-0827 x1919 5 Annapolis, MD 21401-3556           fax   410-280-1094    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:08:16 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 3 Subject: Re: Anyone got any Volker-Craig Terminals? 8 Message-ID: <86l2ft83s0985m2qp2obf1p5fueqg8h6k7@4ax.com>  D On Thu, 03 May 2001 11:52:13 GMT, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote:  % >No Frank, a PC emulator will NOT do. 2 >an emulator is NOT a physical piece of equipment.< >I want the actual terminal, not a crappy piece of software.  D Hey calm down. Frank said "if a PC based emulator will do".  Seems aC reasonable response. I'm sure Frank knows that an emulator is not a D physical piece of equipment and I don't see why you feel the need toE tell the Kermit designer that  Kermit is a "crappy piece of software"   B I've used Kermit in various forms for around 20 years now startingE with Apple II and DEC-20 combinations when the docs said Kermit stood D for KL-10 Error-free Reciprocal Microcomputer Interface Terminal (orE something close). Frank da Cruz has always been responsive to queries  or requests for enhancements.    -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:31:17 -0500 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> 3 Subject: RE: Anyone got any Volker-Craig Terminals? L Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1DF3@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----. > From: Alan Greig [mailto:a.greig@virgin.net]  F > Hey calm down. Frank said "if a PC based emulator will do".  Seems aE > reasonable response. I'm sure Frank knows that an emulator is not a F > physical piece of equipment and I don't see why you feel the need toG > tell the Kermit designer that  Kermit is a "crappy piece of software"   I I feel the need to respond here too.  Kermit is a fine piece of software, C better than most everything you see today, and while I don't use it G extensively (I have a copy on my Kaypro-II :), I'm very happy that it's J still in development, and if I ever need a serious terminal emulator, it's% the first program that comes to mind.   J On a slightly different note (It was not Alan, of course, but Beyonder whoJ did this), it's an incredible show of bad manners to chew somebody out for trying to help you.    Regards,   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  '    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 01 04:52:24 PDT  From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com Q Subject: Re: Bypassing LOGOUT.COM (was: Re: TCP/IP 5.1 Allow Host Table To Wiped) ( Message-ID: <wUA83TjhomLf@cpva.saic.com>  3 In article <uvaeQMxOeRPg@eisner.encompasserve.org>, <  Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:) > In article <3AF07FAC.A7D220FB@fsi.net>, 5 > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > D >> Still, I've always kinda wondered why there is no SYS$SYLOGOUT orJ >> equiv., y'know? ...or an LGOCMD field in the UAF? ...some other hook in >> the process run-down code?  > D > It is hard to depend on the process context, so this capability isI > provided in the most robust fashion possible -- the process termination 
 > mailbox.  = 	And via the LGI_CALLOUT hooks into LOGINOUT, though as Larry : 	noted, you're dependent upon LOGINOUT actually executing. --   - Jim    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2001 07:15:02 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Capellas Knows VMS 3 Message-ID: <Rq81hJUe+SCi@eisner.encompasserve.org>   I In article <3AF0D869.F8CC2E53@home.com>, DC <dcinca2000@home.com> writes:   B > There should be no such thing as an extemporaneous speech before
 > security
 > analysts.     A Perhaps I misused the word "speech".  He was answering questions, @ which could hardly be scripted.  It would not be good for VMS if? his response to "What about non-Windows operating systems?" had  been to remain silent.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:26:34 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: Capellas Knows VMS * Message-ID: <3AF178AA.3082C460@uk.sun.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > Kevin, > N > Fwiw, I have found that a good way to describe Galaxy is with a real example/ > of the type of functionality you can acheive.  > M > You can setup a mid tier (Secure Apache Web Server or whatever) application N > partition sharing CPU's and common memory with a back end database partion -M > on the same physical HW system. The IO sub-systems are still independant of 
 > each other.  >   : Just as a matter of interest would you actually recommend > this type of solution to standard type of N tier architecture 9 that many apps now have of Web->Apps Server->DBMS Server.      regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  / Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:16:50 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>* Subject: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)6 Message-ID: <200105030612.IAA19509@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Arne wrotes:   >>> F I 100% agree that VMS should continue to have work-sttaions. I am justD saying that the number of VMS work-stations sold to sites where theyH have only work-stations are very very small. VMS work-stations are todayC usually sold to sites where they hav emany bigger systems. And this A is actually the key in the argument for VMS work-stations. Compaq C may not make that much money on the VS10's and XP1000 with VMS, but F they may loose huge sales of GS'es and ES'es, if the work-stations are@ not there. They need a complete array of different size systems. <<<   L Sorry that I answer just now. But I am back from the DeCUS (deutschsprachigeI (German speacking) Compaq User Society). We have had a discusion with the H Compaq Germany leadership. There was still a wish for cheap workstationsE with OpenVMS and (I feel bad) True64. Compaq should look to Sun. They H have a workstation for 3.500,00DM here in Germany (about 1.700 US$). ForF that price I would buy a workstation under OpenVMS for homework. Also,E if students should learn OpenVMS, they or the campus must can buy low  cost OpenVMS workstations.H One of the good direction was, that Compaq would like to install a chairF for OpenVMS on a campus. How should we manage the OpenVMS workstation,A servers, if the  OpenVMS cracks behind the fourtyth year of live.    Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:11:16 +0100, From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotmail.c*m>* Subject: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)1 Message-ID: <9creaq$1bg$1@uranium.btinternet.com>   
 Hi Rudolf,  K When I was in Munich About 5 years ago a colleague of mine was contacted by L some friends of his that worked at Deutsche Bahn (It might have been MVV butK I'm pretty sure it was DB) They were into something like graphic design and F how the wind flows over trains and had heard really good stories aboutC Digital's Alpha chip and wanted someone to come and sell them a few G workstations to start with. My colleague past this information onto the 0 sales people at Digital who did exactly nothing!  B Since then it has been my understanding that Digital does not make7 workstations any more. Are you saying this has changed?    Regards Richard Maher.  H BTW. The DB people ended up buying Sun workstations. Surprise, Surprise.H Does anyone know if Sun makes money out of  the workstation market or if< they see it as a foot-in-the-door/loss-leader type of thing?  1 Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message 0 news:200105030612.IAA19509@sinet1.fom.fgan.de... > Hello, >  > Arne wrotes: >  > >>> H > I 100% agree that VMS should continue to have work-sttaions. I am justF > saying that the number of VMS work-stations sold to sites where theyJ > have only work-stations are very very small. VMS work-stations are todayE > usually sold to sites where they hav emany bigger systems. And this C > is actually the key in the argument for VMS work-stations. Compaq E > may not make that much money on the VS10's and XP1000 with VMS, but H > they may loose huge sales of GS'es and ES'es, if the work-stations areB > not there. They need a complete array of different size systems. > <<<  > < > Sorry that I answer just now. But I am back from the DeCUS (deutschsprachige K > (German speacking) Compaq User Society). We have had a discusion with the J > Compaq Germany leadership. There was still a wish for cheap workstationsG > with OpenVMS and (I feel bad) True64. Compaq should look to Sun. They J > have a workstation for 3.500,00DM here in Germany (about 1.700 US$). ForH > that price I would buy a workstation under OpenVMS for homework. Also,G > if students should learn OpenVMS, they or the campus must can buy low  > cost OpenVMS workstations.J > One of the good direction was, that Compaq would like to install a chairH > for OpenVMS on a campus. How should we manage the OpenVMS workstation,C > servers, if the  OpenVMS cracks behind the fourtyth year of live.  >  > Regards Rudolf Wingert >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:46:11 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)* Subject: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0305011046110001@user-2ive77c.dialup.mindspring.com>  A In article <9creaq$1bg$1@uranium.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher"  <maher_rj@hotmail.c*m> wrote:     D > Since then it has been my understanding that Digital does not make9 > workstations any more. Are you saying this has changed?   2 Digital, of course, isn't making anything anymore.  C Compaq still makes alpha-based workstations for VMS and Tru64.  The  current offering is the XP1000.   F As others have pointed out, the recent workstations have been rebadged@ servers with graphics cards added in.  There hasn't been a pure,4 workstation-only architecture from Digipaq in years.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2001 00:37 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ) Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printer , Message-ID: <3MAY200100370505@gerg.tamu.edu>   arcarlini@iee.org writes... > }This is on DECnet V7.1 (VAX) (SHOW IMP gives me 16-NOV-1996).2 }Maybe yours is later or has had NCL$GLOBALSECTION  }replaced by some other product.  F I was doing this on a brand spanking new system that doesn't have veryE many things installed on it - certainly nothing that should mess with  DECnet.   '     Implementation                    =         {           [            Name = OpenVMS AXP ,           Version = "V7.2-1  "
           ] ,            [ 1           Name = Compaq DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS , :           Version = "V7.2-1 ECO02 16-JUN-2000 14:11:13.30"           ]         }  H So it is a much newer version of DEcnet than you are using on a slightly- newer version of VMS on the other platform...   < I expect that this explains all the differences in behavior.  2 }The Courier Role characteristic (note, no decnet)- }does not seem to be supported properly. Try:i( }	$ MC NCL SHOW DTSS DECNET COURIER ROLE1 }and you should *not* get a constraint violation,m }but you do.   Well, you do - but I don't...I  8 }FWIW using V6.2 but with an NCL$GLOBALSECTION from 19977 }I get "invalid attribute" with a show of Courier Role, , }DECnet Courier Role *and* DCE Courier Role! }  }Antonio   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:16:26 +0100p+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>l) Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printer ' Message-ID: <3AF1764A.104C1349@iee.org>r   Carl Perkins wrote:eJ > So it is a much newer version of DEcnet than you are using on a slightly/ > newer version of VMS on the other platform...a  + Your is definitely after the "let's fix thee) DTSS incositency" timeframe so that wouldi  explain some of the differences.  4 > }The Courier Role characteristic (note, no decnet)/ > }does not seem to be supported properly. Try:e0 > }       $ MC NCL SHOW DTSS DECNET COURIER ROLE3 > }and you should *not* get a constraint violation,n > }but you do. >  > Well, you do - but I don't...L  $ I mistyped it again ... the one that& gives a silly constraint violation is:    	$ MC NCL SHOW DTSS COURIER ROLE  ' (and just in case I messed up again ...K% there should be no DECNET above :-) )l  , Maybe I'll update to V7.3 when it comes out." And maybe I'll just leave it alone" because it works quite happily and" currently has no other DECnet node to talk to :-(   Antonio,   -- .   ---------------n- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgo   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:19:50 -0400I  From: Kuff@Tessco.Com (Hal Kuff) Subject: Re: DECpacketprobe O Message-ID: <0CDC39627B4FC417.C74703B513E544C5.14ED06E2D074EAA6@lp.airnews.net>   H DPNG was offering ClearVISN free... you do need an add-in module to pollC the decpacketprobe.... buy etherpeek or observer for your PC...it'siI better.... but if you need another probe I think we have one you can have$	 for free.1    B In article <3AF08122.11185.63BF782@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote:1  A > I'm attempting to get a DECpacketprobe to work in my DEChub 90 SG > system.  I've set up BOOTP with the device's address, but it doesn't  
 > pick it up.c > H > Is there any software that I can use to get this thing talking?  I've : > heard about clearVSN, but no one seems to have a copy... >  >  > --Stan >  > ----------I > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671 3 > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147e? > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:27:15 +0200 ' From: Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de>. Subject: Re: DFU tool Vs. DFO ) Message-ID: <3AF14EA3.6E0517F@iaf.fhg.de>p   Robert Deininger wrote:  > 9 > In article <9co59s$a5g@news.or.intel.com>, "Iris Green"p > <iris.green@intel.com> wrote:p >  > > Hi all,i > > J > > What is the difference between the DFU shareware, and the DFO Utility?! > > ----------------------------- K > > I have installed the DFU on an Alpha machine, and I want to try the DFO N > > utility as well. The reason I need this utils is disk fragmentation. WhileL > > using the "perfect disk" tool we faced problems, so we are looking for a$ > > different tool for this purpose.D > > I would be happy to hear about user experience with those tools. > K > DFO is a fine disk defragmenter for VMS systems.  It's never given me theoC > slightest trouble.  I set up recurring scripts for each disk, andr > basically forget about it. > F > It can't make much progress on nearly-full disks, but I suspect most% > defragmenters have similar trouble.u >   A DFO runs fine, I always get mails like: "Subject: Defragmentation ) process successful, scheduler DFG$IAF021"e  2 From the security auditing system I get the entry:4 Security audit (SECURITY) on IAF021, system id: 1045' Auditable event:          Object accessgC Event information:        file defragmentation request (IO$_MODIFY)-1 Event time:               28-APR-2001 05:11:10.55 " PID:                      00000850' Process name:             DFG$21_USER_1s  Username:                 SYSTEM" Process owner:            [SYSTEM] Image name:               : IAF021$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]DFG$ENGINE_MAIN.EXE;1 Object class name:        FILE& Object owner:             [PL,JAKOBUS]A Object protection:        SYSTEM:RWED, OWNER:RWED, GROUP:, WORLD:n File name:               oJ _IAF021$DKA500:[IAF.PL.JAKOBUS.TIMIDITY.TIMIDITYXX-2_10_0.LIBARC]VMS_PWD.H$ File ID:                  (3736,5,0)$ Access requested:         READ,WRITE" Sequence key:             01215139G Status:                   %SYSTEM-W-DEVICEFULL, device full; allocatione failure    Device full ???    $ SHOW DEVICE IAF021$DKA500:  F Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free 	 Trans MntaF  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks	 Count Cntu? IAF021$DKA500:          Mounted              0  21_USER_1        741534    19   1 $@  4 What's the reason for not moving a 3 blocks file ???  A I always have about 10 files on different volumes producing audit 	 entries. a     Regards, -- 6  ; ***********************************************************-; *                                                         *<; *  Theo Jakobus                                           *g; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  *@; *  Tullastr. 72                                           *d; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       * ; *  Germany                                                *h; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           *m; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           * ; *  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            * ; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  *e; *                                                         *r; ***********************************************************    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:39:07 -0400n2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: DFU tool Vs. DFOcL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0305011039070001@user-2ive77c.dialup.mindspring.com>  6 In article <3AF14EA3.6E0517F@iaf.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> wrote:     C > DFO runs fine, I always get mails like: "Subject: Defragmentation@+ > process successful, scheduler DFG$IAF021"k > 4 > From the security auditing system I get the entry:6 > Security audit (SECURITY) on IAF021, system id: 1045) > Auditable event:          Object accessoE > Event information:        file defragmentation request (IO$_MODIFY)a3 > Event time:               28-APR-2001 05:11:10.55r$ > PID:                      00000850) > Process name:             DFG$21_USER_1'" > Username:                 SYSTEM$ > Process owner:            [SYSTEM] > Image name:               < > IAF021$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]DFG$ENGINE_MAIN.EXE;1  > Object class name:        FILE( > Object owner:             [PL,JAKOBUS]C > Object protection:        SYSTEM:RWED, OWNER:RWED, GROUP:, WORLD:a > File name:               lL > _IAF021$DKA500:[IAF.PL.JAKOBUS.TIMIDITY.TIMIDITYXX-2_10_0.LIBARC]VMS_PWD.H& > File ID:                  (3736,5,0)& > Access requested:         READ,WRITE$ > Sequence key:             01215139I > Status:                   %SYSTEM-W-DEVICEFULL, device full; allocationy	 > failurea >,  I It looks like the auditing system reported a simple access on this file. u+ Why are you auditing such an ordinary file?t   > Device full ???"  > Don't know.  It looks like something dug up the wrong message.   >  > $ SHOW DEVICE IAF021$DKA500: aH > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  > Trans MntWH >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks > Count CntoA > IAF021$DKA500:          Mounted              0  21_USER_1      e > 741534    19   1 > $< > 6 > What's the reason for not moving a 3 blocks file ???  D Are you logging everything in DFO?  Does it report a failure on thisI file?  If so, it should give a reason.  If you don't have full loggin on, % you might want to try it temporarily.e  C > I always have about 10 files on different volumes producing audits > entries. l  I It looks like an access audit, not a failure audit.  But I can't get to atH VMS system at the moment to look for details.  (Broken firewall.  Grrr.)   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coma   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2001 15:30:12 GMTa2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: dialback telnet?a, Message-ID: <9crti4$722@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  U In article <9cpfqm$2eg$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) writes:mb >In article <9cp6m4$pf4@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:K >>Back in the days of dialup sessions it was common to implement a dialbackeI >>strategy for security reasons.  I know that the preferred way to obtaineK >>security these days is to use ssh, but our campus network is now entirely K >>switched, and so telnet across campus should be safe (unless somebody has0G >>gained control of the routers or switches, in which case we're prettyo >>likely screwed in any case.) M >> >sO >Or they are using dsniff to sniff your switched network using ARP redirection.  >w >See :-e >uE >http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/00/05/29/000529opswatch.xmlt >   ? I'll check with the network guys and see if they've found a way(9 to block this sort of ARP request at the subnet switches.t   Thanks for the heads up.     David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech i   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2001 08:38:41 -0500t- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)lO Subject: Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets theblamep3 Message-ID: <wl7Hs22kYllE@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  [ In article <3AF03344.9C97230F@oracle.com>, Peter Jackson <peter.jackson@oracle.com> writes:5 > andrew harrison wrote: > @ >> Can you guarantee that OpenVMS if running on x86 would be any> >> more or less vunerable to this kind of attack than Solaris,
 >> Linux etc.e > D > I can guarantee that if you put VMS on x86 at the moment you would* > not be able to break in and do anything.I > I can also guarantee that an attack such as you describe would not workv& > on any system currently running VMS.  F I have to disagree.  I was running VMS on a Pentium under Charon-VAX. H Clearly it was depending on Charon-VAX's MV II emulation which can be noF more secure than the W2K-P3 combination it was running on.  Suppose anD outsider hacked W2K and then used that to hack Charon-VAX.  It could have done anything.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences CorporationC= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupGE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingO   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:19:40 GMTw1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au>7/ Subject: Re: Help needed with UCX TELNET/CREATEn9 Message-ID: <w1cI6.1641$CN.310387@nostril.pacific.net.au>n  . Wade Fincher <WADE@dax.asub.arknet.edu> wrote:D > When a user uses telnet/create host 2 and creates a port tna2, theD > port is owned by the system account and the user does not have the3 > rights to read/write to it.  Any way around this?V  > 	Not an expert on this, but I would suggest to use higher port; 	numbers, as quite a few inside the first 1024 is reserved.0* 	These are also called "well-known ports".  > 	You might want to read RFC 1060 or the more updated RFC 1700.G 	( The above is from a book I am reading right now, "TCP/IP Jumpstart",w 	 by Andrew G. Blank. )s   		Hope this helps... 						Cheers,     Csabaf  I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------rE    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehog E    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush. I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------t;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:13:43 +0200) From: "Pbo" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr>o1 Subject: Re: invalid media_format yamaha CRW6416Sh& Message-ID: <3af1140a$1@news.euriware>  F "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> a crit dans le message, news:<OfZH6.63$lP5.1029@news.cpqcorp.net>...L > In article <3af016c5$1@news.euriware>, "Pbo" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> writes:n > I > :    I can see the disk from VMS ($1$dka600) but when I try to mount it1 I've > :got the message : > :l/ > :        MOUNT-F-FORMAT invalid media_format.e  E  I've tried all the mandatory ECOs (Update V4,Driver V1,Acrtl) but it  doesn't work much better :-(((  '  PS:  I've upgraded the firmware to 5.8s    Please, more idea ...   >S5 >   There's an ECO out for a similar-looking problem.   ( >  ---------------------------- #include' <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------ML >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------t1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringf hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:34:19 GMTs2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)1 Subject: Re: invalid media_format yamaha CRW6416Sr0 Message-ID: <L%dI6.88$lP5.2065@news.cpqcorp.net>  R In article <3af1140a$1@news.euriware>, "Pbo" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> writes:G :"Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> a crit dans le messageF- :news:<OfZH6.63$lP5.1029@news.cpqcorp.net>...rM :> In article <3af016c5$1@news.euriware>, "Pbo" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr>a :writes: :>0 :> :        MOUNT-F-FORMAT invalid media_format. :gF : I've tried all the mandatory ECOs (Update V4,Driver V1,Acrtl) but it :doesn't work much better :-(((n : ( : PS:  I've upgraded the firmware to 5.8  &   This is unlikely to be the firmware.   : Please, more idea ...u  5   Please, more details on the specific configuration.e  <   If you have a support contract, now is the time to use it.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:54:09 +0200) From: "Pbo" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> 1 Subject: Re: invalid media_format yamaha CRW6416S & Message-ID: <3af163d2$1@news.euriware>  +     I've got one... (support contract ;-) )e       more details:e       - I can't read any CDsI     - It seems to be working (ni debug mode) but write only with cdrecorde4 1.5 (yours...) compiled and linked for yamaha CDR400K     I've tried to upgrade the firmware because I was not able to access the @ CD from srm (try to boot from the vms cd or the firmware cd ...)#     The firmware of the CDR is 1.0Ce7     the hardware configuration is : 1 XP900 VMS 7.2.1H1eI                                                   1 NCR 53C810 SCSI adapt9& (the one on which the CD is connected)H                                                   1 Symbios 895 (for the system disk)I                                                   1  Alogic ISP1020 SCSI2l (swap area)t=                                                   512M memory  the command so far...   > $ copy nl: $1$dkc300:[vms]vda1.dsk/allocate=1327100/contiguous> $ set file/end_of_file/nomove/nobackup $1$dkc300:[vms]VDA1.DSKJ $ set file /att=(rfm:fix,rat:none,lrl:512,mrs:512) $1$dkc300:[vms]vda1.dskI $ asnvd:=="$sys$common:[sysexe]asnvd.exe;"                    ! (from the  freeware 4.0 CD shadow...)A $ mc sysman io connect vda0:/driver=sys$system:vddriver.exe/noadaa, $ asnvd/assign vda0: $1$dkc300:[vms]vda1.dsk' $ define/nolog vda dkc300:[vms]vda1.dskoJ $ define/nolog cdwr $1$dka0:                                             ! cdwriter" $ cdwrite :=="$CDWRITE15_VMS.EXE;" $ cdwrite -speed 4 -writea  
     Thanks  L "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> a crit dans le message news:% L%dI6.88$lP5.2065@news.cpqcorp.net...tL > In article <3af1140a$1@news.euriware>, "Pbo" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> writes: I > :"Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> a crit dans le messagea/ > :news:<OfZH6.63$lP5.1029@news.cpqcorp.net>...a1 > :> In article <3af016c5$1@news.euriware>, "Pbo"1 <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr>4
 > :writes: > :>2 > :> :        MOUNT-F-FORMAT invalid media_format. > :oH > : I've tried all the mandatory ECOs (Update V4,Driver V1,Acrtl) but it! > :doesn't work much better :-(((i > :y* > : PS:  I've upgraded the firmware to 5.8 >i( >   This is unlikely to be the firmware. >i > : Please, more idea ...r >l7 >   Please, more details on the specific configuration.e >p> >   If you have a support contract, now is the time to use it. > ( >  ---------------------------- #include' <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------eL >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------c1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS EngineeringE hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >d   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 19:46:31 +0200) From: "Pbo" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> 1 Subject: Re: invalid media_format yamaha CRW6416S & Message-ID: <3af17e2d$1@news.euriware>  H     I think I've found the solutions for writing (everithing seems to beJ working still one or two more tests) and I can , if you're interested, put the results here.   L     But... I still can't read anything from the CDR ... What am I missing???       Thanks a lot  A "Pbo" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> a crit dans le message news:c 3af016c5$1@news.euriware...  >     Hello, > L >     I'm trying to configure a Yamaha CRW6416S on a DS10 under VMS 7.2-1H1. >hH >     I can see the disk from VMS ($1$dka600) but when I try to mount it I've > got the message :. >>. >         MOUNT-F-FORMAT invalid media_format. >eK >     I've try to search via deja and Openvms web sites but my knowledge ofd cd > writers is very inconsistent.cK >     I'm in the process of installing latests OpenVMS patches to see if it  > help.  >u@ >     o Do I need to put the  jumper to force 512 K block size ? > / >     enclose is the result of scsi_info dka600+ >1 >     Thanks for your help >7 >  >5 >N >h   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:32:05 GMTq2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)1 Subject: Re: invalid media_format yamaha CRW6416S00 Message-ID: <VReI6.89$lP5.2144@news.cpqcorp.net>  R In article <3af163d2$1@news.euriware>, "Pbo" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> writes:, :    I've got one... (support contract ;-) )  I   Beware: I strongly suspect you are going to be asked to try a supportediI   widget.  I've been using a Plextor 12/4/32 CD-R/CD-RW -- not officially !   supported -- with some success.-   :    - I can't read any CDsl  E   Ugh.  That's a bad sign.  IIRC, you indicated that this same drive sF   operated correctly prior to the OpenVMS release in use here.  (WhichC   is another bad sign.)  Can you gather the output from the utilitya@   SYS$ETC:SCSI_INFO running from that (working) OpenVMS release?B   (You can boot the distribution CD-ROM from that release, if you $   have it -- no need to re-install.)  J :    - It seems to be working (ni debug mode) but write only with cdrecord :1.5 (yours...)i  D   Mine?  While I have been working inside both CDRECORD and CDWRITE C   source code in recent times, I do not have a version available.   0   (Some confusion with Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann?)  L :    I've tried to upgrade the firmware because I was not able to access theA :CD from srm (try to boot from the vms cd or the firmware cd ...)n  I   Assuming this widget is configured for 512-byte block operations, this oI   looks to be a hard incompatibility or a low-level configuration problem J   with the drive or the SCSI.  (Folks keep telling me that all these SCSI G   widgets are all fully interchangable, but I don't believe them... :-)r  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:26:47 GMT32 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)% Subject: Re: IP over Fibre Channel... 0 Message-ID: <HUdI6.86$lP5.1769@news.cpqcorp.net>  X In article <3af07431.41939297@news.demon.co.uk>, alan@fay.demon.co.uk (alan fay) writes:   :Is this possible on OpenVMS?r  I   The OpenVMS Fibre Channel drivers do not currently offer an (internal)  H   VCI interface, thus the network protocols and host-to-host SCS are not    feasible over Fibre Channel.    F   The addition of VCI (and thus networking and SCS over Fibre Channel)J   in the Fibre Channel drivers is a capability that folks here in OpenVMS G   Engineering -- and that includes me -- would like to see added.  But *-   this capability is not presently available.    	--   L   NAS vs SAN: Network Area Storage configurations provide storage protocols M   over network hardware, while Storage Area Network configurations (eg: FibreaJ   Channel) (potentially) provide for network protocols over (distributed)    storage hardware.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:05:17 -0500*1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>* Subject: Re: KVM Switch-' Message-ID: <3AF1659D.6635C975@fsi.net>9   Rob Brown wrote: > 1 > john nixon <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in article:7 > <gFxH6.154128$o9.20894500@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>...0J > > Is anyone familiar with this?   It allows you to connect the Keyboard, > VideohH > > and Mouse from several host systems to one side of the switch, and a > singleM > > keyboard, video terminal and mouse to the other.  You then manage several J > > host systems from one console monitor.   Does this work for VMS (Alpha > VMS - > > 7.2-1 if that makes a difference) systems  > L > Is there any chance of finding one that would allow an old DEC 3000-400 to > share KVM with a modern PC?   E I guess I would view the problem as having more to do with converting  interfaces than anything else.  C You'd need a way to reconcile the RGB, sync-on-green video from the . Alpha with the (s)VGA needs of the monitor/PC.  G You'd need a way to reconcile the differences in the keyboard and mousem interfaces.E  = I'm sure it can be done, but don't personally have first-hand  experience.R   -- N David J. DachteraR dba DJE Systems: http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged..   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:41:03 +0800o- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>r! Subject: LAT v Telnet Performance @ Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010503173710.009ffb30@mail.bigpond.com>  	 Hi Folks,   B Is anyone aware of any studies/tests that have been done comparing@ the performance of LAT and Telnet?  If so, where can I get them?C I have been searching for any such documents but have not been able< to locate any.     Regards, Dave.i -- 3I David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comiI Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/lI DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmuI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennonl   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 01 05:44:35 PDT  From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.comk% Subject: Re: LAT v Telnet Performance)( Message-ID: <BU+bWK+hQLcB@cpva.saic.com>  @ In article <5.0.2.1.0.20010503173710.009ffb30@mail.bigpond.com>,0  David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes: > Hi Folks,) > D > Is anyone aware of any studies/tests that have been done comparingB > the performance of LAT and Telnet?  If so, where can I get them?E > I have been searching for any such documents but have not been able> > to locate any. > @ 	I'm unaware of any formal studies... many (more than ten) years= 	ago I looked at this same issue as the environment for whichc> 	I was responsible began to migrate from LAT to IP. Obviously,? 	systems were slower then and the host interrupt rate was a bigr< 	concern. My testing showed a relative increase of interuptsA 	at a ratio of about 8 to 1 as we replaced LAT with IP. I suspecti< 	that this number is largely dependent upon the specifics of= 	my environment. Initially we had many DECserver 500 terminalk= 	servers with either 64 or 128 users being "multiplexed" overl; 	an ethernet. The applications were keystroke intensive andl? 	very active. I suspect that the ratio that I experienced wouldb= 	change dramatically if my terminal servers were home to onlys? 	8 or 16 "light" users each. Nowadays, I'd expect the interrupt,@ 	load to be lost in the noise on most large systems. I know that@ 	your interest may lie entirely within the network impact ratherA 	than with the host impact. Anyway, not exactly an answer to youra# 	question, but, hope it helps some.a   -- s - Jimm   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:55:02 +08000- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@BigPond.com>.% Subject: Re: LAT v Telnet Performanceh@ Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010503204443.00a10ec0@mail.bigpond.com>  9 At 05:44 AM 3/05/01 -0700, mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote: A >In article <5.0.2.1.0.20010503173710.009ffb30@mail.bigpond.com>, 2 >  David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes:
 > > Hi Folks,i > > F > > Is anyone aware of any studies/tests that have been done comparingD > > the performance of LAT and Telnet?  If so, where can I get them?G > > I have been searching for any such documents but have not been ablew > > to locate any. > >XI >         I'm unaware of any formal studies... many (more than ten) years F >         ago I looked at this same issue as the environment for whichG >         I was responsible began to migrate from LAT to IP. Obviously,-H >         systems were slower then and the host interrupt rate was a bigE >         concern. My testing showed a relative increase of interupts J >         at a ratio of about 8 to 1 as we replaced LAT with IP. I suspectE >         that this number is largely dependent upon the specifics ofeF >         my environment. Initially we had many DECserver 500 terminalF >         servers with either 64 or 128 users being "multiplexed" overD >         an ethernet. The applications were keystroke intensive andH >         very active. I suspect that the ratio that I experienced wouldF >         change dramatically if my terminal servers were home to onlyH >         8 or 16 "light" users each. Nowadays, I'd expect the interruptI >         load to be lost in the noise on most large systems. I know thatmI >         your interest may lie entirely within the network impact ratheraJ >         than with the host impact. Anyway, not exactly an answer to your, >         question, but, hope it helps some. >r >--g >- Jim   Jim,  B Thanks for the info... the situation we have is that some parts ofA our network are expanding and seeing some "problems" (our network-B configuration is quite large and is basically a lot of LANS joinedH together to be a big WAN).  The "problems" relate to alleged performanceB issues with LAT (as well as problems with MOP).  The nature of theD problems indicate to me that the LAN configurations are not quite upD to scratch.  However, due to a lot of politics and bullshit, certainH individuals are pushing the move to IP... rather than address the _real_A problem.  The claim to date is that Telnet generates less networkgE traffic than LAT.  I personally find this a bit hard to believe givendD that the LAT protocol was specifically engineered for optimal use onD a LAN (I could be wrong).  I am familiar with the innards of LAT andC what it is trying to achieve and was hoping to be able to find some(A statistics to backup my thoughts, although I doubt the opposition F will have any information to backup his.  I sense a battle approaching$ and was looking for some ammunition.       Regards, Dave.s -- oI David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.com,I Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm-I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennonm   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:17:50 -0400-  From: Kuff@Tessco.Com (Hal Kuff)% Subject: Re: LAT v Telnet Performance O Message-ID: <27D55B638BF7FE17.3D49939641CC8E13.EE4C791F597B6FBF@lp.airnews.net>   J    By definition Telnet is extremely wasteful for interactive use in largeG terminal farms... On the other hand, LAT gets very nervous on a networkPH with missed packets, collisions, or high latency.  And lets' face it, if> they get rid of your LAT printers they're doing you a favor...  I    If your argument is going political, let them pull LAT but insist on a.F networtk interface upgrade for your system, ask for higher performanceH swicthed ports where you connect to the network... and ask for the $1400C Fluke inline nettool tester or some decent pc s/w like etherpeek ori9 observer ($600) ... get a few toys out of the process eh?                 H In article <5.0.2.1.0.20010503204443.00a10ec0@mail.bigpond.com>, David B& Sneddon <dbsneddon@BigPond.com> wrote:  ; > At 05:44 AM 3/05/01 -0700, mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote:rC > >In article <5.0.2.1.0.20010503173710.009ffb30@mail.bigpond.com>,-4 > >  David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes: > > > Hi Folks,l > > >eH > > > Is anyone aware of any studies/tests that have been done comparingF > > > the performance of LAT and Telnet?  If so, where can I get them?I > > > I have been searching for any such documents but have not been able- > > > to locate any. > > > K > >         I'm unaware of any formal studies... many (more than ten) yearsuH > >         ago I looked at this same issue as the environment for whichI > >         I was responsible began to migrate from LAT to IP. Obviously,dJ > >         systems were slower then and the host interrupt rate was a bigG > >         concern. My testing showed a relative increase of interuptsdL > >         at a ratio of about 8 to 1 as we replaced LAT with IP. I suspectG > >         that this number is largely dependent upon the specifics ofaH > >         my environment. Initially we had many DECserver 500 terminalH > >         servers with either 64 or 128 users being "multiplexed" overF > >         an ethernet. The applications were keystroke intensive andJ > >         very active. I suspect that the ratio that I experienced wouldH > >         change dramatically if my terminal servers were home to onlyJ > >         8 or 16 "light" users each. Nowadays, I'd expect the interruptK > >         load to be lost in the noise on most large systems. I know thatdK > >         your interest may lie entirely within the network impact rather3L > >         than with the host impact. Anyway, not exactly an answer to your. > >         question, but, hope it helps some. > >e > >--  > >- Jim >  > Jim, > D > Thanks for the info... the situation we have is that some parts ofC > our network are expanding and seeing some "problems" (our network1D > configuration is quite large and is basically a lot of LANS joinedJ > together to be a big WAN).  The "problems" relate to alleged performanceD > issues with LAT (as well as problems with MOP).  The nature of theF > problems indicate to me that the LAN configurations are not quite upF > to scratch.  However, due to a lot of politics and bullshit, certainJ > individuals are pushing the move to IP... rather than address the _real_C > problem.  The claim to date is that Telnet generates less networkOG > traffic than LAT.  I personally find this a bit hard to believe giveneF > that the LAT protocol was specifically engineered for optimal use onF > a LAN (I could be wrong).  I am familiar with the innards of LAT andE > what it is trying to achieve and was hoping to be able to find some C > statistics to backup my thoughts, although I doubt the opposition H > will have any information to backup his.  I sense a battle approaching& > and was looking for some ammunition. >  >  > 
 > Regards, > Dave.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:36:45 +0100-  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com% Subject: Re: LAT v Telnet Performance H Message-ID: <OF40CF6D09.B9897D6A-ON80256A41.004F472D@qedi.quintiles.com>  I I don't fully understand how TCP/IP maintains its lists of services but I-I believe it to be hierarchical inasmuchas if a system is in another domainzJ then all of the traffic goes through one or more routers that decide whereI to send the packets from there onwards.  This would be in the same way aslJ DNS should be configured so that one DNS provides the authoritative answerH and others will have the answer cached and update it on a regular basis.  H My understanding of LAT is that it is intended for local networks and isI fairly talkative.  A box providing a LAT service will send out broadcasts.J on a regular basis to make other LAT capable devices aware of the servicesJ that it is providing.  Thus LAT imposes a load on the network for a system telling others "I'm here".  H This is my understanding.  Don't flame me if it's not entirely right but please feel free to correct me.   G More fundamentally, is the network a single entity or are there routers-K between the LANs or something like that?  LAT isn't routable IIRC so if younI have the capabilities and would not get harmed by turning off LAT between H LANs then this may be beneficial.  MOP also is non-routable of course so' this would fall into the same comments.t  D I have seen (with a former employer) England and Wales split up intoJ metropolitan area networks such that non-routable traffic (like MOP) wouldH be contained within a single MAN and DECnet, TCP/IP etc would be able toE run over the entire network.  This may be a suitable path for you toom David.   Steve.   David Sneddon commented: >>>$B Thanks for the info... the situation we have is that some parts ofA our network are expanding and seeing some "problems" (our network(B configuration is quite large and is basically a lot of LANS joinedH together to be a big WAN).  The "problems" relate to alleged performanceB issues with LAT (as well as problems with MOP).  The nature of theD problems indicate to me that the LAN configurations are not quite upD to scratch.  However, due to a lot of politics and bullshit, certainH individuals are pushing the move to IP... rather than address the _real_A problem.  The claim to date is that Telnet generates less networkrE traffic than LAT.  I personally find this a bit hard to believe given-D that the LAT protocol was specifically engineered for optimal use onD a LAN (I could be wrong).  I am familiar with the innards of LAT andC what it is trying to achieve and was hoping to be able to find some A statistics to backup my thoughts, although I doubt the opposition F will have any information to backup his.  I sense a battle approaching$ and was looking for some ammunition. <<<r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:40:13 -0700t+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com>i% Subject: Re: LAT v Telnet Performancet( Message-ID: <3AF189ED.AA21338A@mmaz.com>  	 Hi David,a  L I'm sure that you will be able to get precise details, but in general telnetK transmits a TCP packet for each character typed on the keyboard and anothergM for the echo back.  This is an extreme waste of bandwidth because of the higheJ overhead when compared to LAT's packeting technique between the LAT deviceL and the host.  The problem is that LAT is not routable, so it really doesn't* matter how inefficient telnet is, does it?  J Now on the practical side, I have had great success with a slow PPP dialupK connect to the Internet using VPN into our networks.  I have since replaced E that dialup with DSL, but the real ticket to having reasonable telnetrK performance is to have little or no packet loss and reasonable latency.  IftM the path is clean, you cannot tell that your traffic is going half-way aroundeI the world.  The moment you have anything greater than 5% packet loss, you J telnet sessions become unstable and often start to timeout and disconnect.   I hope that helps...  
 Best regards,e   Barrye   David B Sneddon wrote:   > Hi Folks,C >aD > Is anyone aware of any studies/tests that have been done comparingB > the performance of LAT and Telnet?  If so, where can I get them?E > I have been searching for any such documents but have not been ableb > to locate any. >y
 > Regards, > Dave.  > --K > David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comvK > Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ K > DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmtK > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon-   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028l   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:51:00 -0400% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>m% Subject: Re: LAT v Telnet Performancea/ Message-ID: <tf333o2q5iq2df@news.supernews.com>d  : "David B Sneddon" <dbsneddon@BigPond.com> wrote in message: news:5.0.2.1.0.20010503204443.00a10ec0@mail.bigpond.com...; > At 05:44 AM 3/05/01 -0700, mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote: C > >In article <5.0.2.1.0.20010503173710.009ffb30@mail.bigpond.com>,n4 > >  David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes: > > > Hi Folks,h > > >nH > > > Is anyone aware of any studies/tests that have been done comparingF > > > the performance of LAT and Telnet?  If so, where can I get them?I > > > I have been searching for any such documents but have not been able  > > > to locate any. > > >  [snip] >eD > Thanks for the info... the situation we have is that some parts ofC > our network are expanding and seeing some "problems" (our network D > configuration is quite large and is basically a lot of LANS joinedJ > together to be a big WAN).  The "problems" relate to alleged performanceD > issues with LAT (as well as problems with MOP).  The nature of theF > problems indicate to me that the LAN configurations are not quite upF > to scratch.  However, due to a lot of politics and bullshit, certainJ > individuals are pushing the move to IP... rather than address the _real_C > problem.  The claim to date is that Telnet generates less networkgG > traffic than LAT.  I personally find this a bit hard to believe giveneF > that the LAT protocol was specifically engineered for optimal use onF > a LAN (I could be wrong).  I am familiar with the innards of LAT andE > what it is trying to achieve and was hoping to be able to find someeC > statistics to backup my thoughts, although I doubt the oppositionhH > will have any information to backup his.  I sense a battle approaching& > and was looking for some ammunition.  K I think you're going to lose this battle.  LAT isn't routable.  If you have H a bunch of LANs joined together into a big WAN and you're using LAT thatK implies that you're bridging between LANs rather than routing.  If you onlyeK use LAT within a LAN and you do indeed route between LANs then LAT probablye isn't the problem.  I If someone is saying that you have to stop using LAT so that you can stop K bridging across the slow links between the LANs, they are probably correct.B   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:06:56 -0400L- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>k  Subject: MC MIME : extract/ALL ?, Message-ID: <3AF1902C.CF45CD43@videotron.ca>  L I am curious. How come there isn't and EXTRACT/ALL in the VMS MIME utility ?  J I realise that some attachements may not have a file name, but surely MIME could generate one b# (attachement.1, attachement.2 etc).d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:52:47 -0000s- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)f4 Subject: Re: MIME Encoder on OpenVMS in C available?/ Message-ID: <tf2vmfrk08mk5b@news.supernews.com>s  < tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com (Brian Tillman) wrote in <3aeeef25$1@news.si.com>:   D >>Does anyone know where I can get source code for a MIME encoder on >>OpenVMS?   >wG >First get MPACK V1.5 from ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/mail/mpack/ then  >apply the changes found atr@ >http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu:8000/pub/pickup/VMS_MPACK_1_5.TAR > @ >You can also use the MIME command.  See MCR MIME HELP OVERVIEW. >-- B >Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com  H I've found all the materials Brian and Hoff have pointed to.  Thank you  both very much.r   ws   -- i1 << Marriage is Grand.  Divorce is Fifty Grand. >>o   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:32:17 GMTe2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)- Subject: Re: moving 6.2 from Pelican to 433AUe0 Message-ID: <RZdI6.87$lP5.2026@news.cpqcorp.net>  ] In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEPMCHAA.tom@kednos.com>, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes:e  M :Running 6.2 on a 3000/300LX and took the drives out and put into a 433AU amd J :made some changes to the SRM firmware variables (which it says is ConsoleC :V7.2-1) tried to boot but halted after "jumping to bootstrap code"4  H   The Personal Workstation minimum OpenVMS version is rather more recentL   than OpenVMS Alpha V6.2 -- the absolute minimum version for this platform I   is OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-1H2, and the minimum OpenVMS version that I would $   recommend is OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2.  F   A URL pointer to the specific OpenVMS website covering the required J   versions for the various supported platforms and a simple rule-of-thumb I   for the required version based on the  partiuclar Alpha microprocessor w3   core in use are both included in the OpenVMS FAQ.r  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:54:15 -0700b! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>e- Subject: RE: moving 6.2 from Pelican to 433AU 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEBBCIAA.tom@kednos.com>e  I Well, I give, I couldn't find the table, unless you were talking about hepL release history thing.  Maybe I should turn the question around, What is the! latest HW on which I can run 6.2?    > -----Original Message-----; > From: Hoff Hoffman [mailto:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam]g& > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:32 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com / > Subject: Re: moving 6.2 from Pelican to 433AUw >a > ? > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEPMCHAA.tom@kednos.com>, Tomt! > Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes:o >iC > :Running 6.2 on a 3000/300LX and took the drives out and put into,
 > a 433AU amdsL > :made some changes to the SRM firmware variables (which it says is ConsoleE > :V7.2-1) tried to boot but halted after "jumping to bootstrap code"l >"J >   The Personal Workstation minimum OpenVMS version is rather more recent? >   than OpenVMS Alpha V6.2 -- the absolute minimum version forg > this platformsK >   is OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-1H2, and the minimum OpenVMS version that I wouldd& >   recommend is OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2. > G >   A URL pointer to the specific OpenVMS website covering the required,K >   versions for the various supported platforms and a simple rule-of-thumbrJ >   for the required version based on the  partiuclar Alpha microprocessor5 >   core in use are both included in the OpenVMS FAQ.e >v2 >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> > ----------------------------- 5 >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --L > www.openvms.compaq.com4 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion > --------------------------- 1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringo > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:43:46 GMT B From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>C Subject: Multiple languages and Gnome/GTK+/KDE, was: Re: Open Motife0 Message-ID: <mNgI6.15$vg1.98@www.newsranger.com>  - On Wed, 2 May 2001 17:01:55 -0400, in articlet< <pB_H6.74$lP5.1704@news.cpqcorp.net>, Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >lK >I myself would prefer us to implement Gnome/GTK+/KDE rather than invest in7 >new versions of Motif.s >.  M I would also like to see either GTK+/Gnome or KDE on VMS. What is the currentFK situation with KDE for languages other than C/C++ ? (I know that GTK+/GnomelM has support for multiple languages.) I have not written code with either yet,eM but my preference is for GTK+/Gnome because of the multiple language support.n  J What is the current thinking in VMS Engineering with regards to supporting1 languages other than C/C++ for new GUI toolkits ?    Simon.   -- l; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFPaJ 'The statement that "it can never happen" is not an acceptable programmingH approach. You must assume it can happen and be in control when it does.'=           -- Ada 95 Quality and Style Guidelines, US DoD AJPOe   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:34:47 +0100.+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>v% Subject: Re: Need help with a 3100/76r' Message-ID: <3AF17A97.DD558A27@iee.org>n  
 MikeWJ wrote:m > M > But yes, it is a 3100/76...says so, right on the front "MicroVAX 3100 M76". N > It's not a VAXserver.  I took the cover off and found 28MB of Memory cards -. > (2) 12MB cards + the 4MB system card = 28MB. > I > Apparently, the previous SysMgr was getting 3100's as soon as DEC couldnG > ship them out, sometimes before they were announced to the VAX world.   5 In this it looks like he was getting them even though 1 noone else did ... but I suspect it's more likelyn0 that someone has been up to some tricks with the bezel. s  0 I'm curious no. What KA?? does it report itself 1 when powered up or when queried from the console?   4 The machines after the VS3100-38/48 and uV3100-10/209 (i.e. the VS3100-76 onwards and the uV3100-30/40 onwards)a3 all (to my best recollection) used SIMMs of varioust sorts.  L > I did hook 2 more RZ24's to the scsia line, but found when accessing thoseF > drives and the TLZ7L on the scsib line---It redefines the word SLOW!  : This stuff is SCSI-1 IIRC. "Slow" is probably about right!  L > According to my "old" DECDirect catalogs, an RZ59 has a capacity of 8.9GB. > An RZ58 has 1.3 GB.e  N > The other SysMgr & I figured if we could replace the RZ57's with RZ59's, andP > the RZ56's with RZ57's, it would give us more space than we had on the cluster% > and it used 5 BA350 racks of disks.   2 Must have been scarily small disks in that BA350! , To be honest, I'd be surprised if an RZ59 is, actually near 9GB ... by the time 8GB drives1 were around virtually noone was doing full-heightt/ 5-1/4" disks (which are the physical dimensionsa" I would expect of any RD5x drive).  * If you manage to get hold of one (I assume$ you don't already have any?), I'd be+ interested to know what they actually turn a
 out to be.  N > It will be slow, but its only going to be used to reference historical data.A > And eventually, that too will be transferred to an NT database.n  & A single modern  drive might be easier3 to find than one or more RZ59s. There are plenty ofA3 people in this newsgroup who could advise on drives . that are known to work (beware of drives > 8GB. if you are running OpenVMS V5.5-2 or earlier).  ' Alternatively, you could have the data a* transferred to CD in ODS-2 format and then, it would be safe forever (although you would& need enough CDROMs for all you data to be mounted).   Antoniof   -- n   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:07:39 +0100c% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> ( Subject: Re: NTP system time adjustment.8 Message-ID: <fs72ft4lfunqh6h6fjrrjhhifsqpnslcnn@4ax.com>  2 On Wed, 02 May 2001 09:48:38 -0700, David D Miller# <ddmiller@west.raytheon.com> wrote:o   >u >Doug: >eJ >The FINGER package developed by U of Penn includes NTP client (as well asL >several other things).  We (Bemidji State, not Raytheon) have been using itB >for years and years without a problem.  Sorry I don't have a URL. >T >dave. >e >r >cF >I recall seeing a freeware NTP client software package somewhere thatC >allowed sync'ing the VMS system clock to the atomic time standard.rI >I have been trying to find this, but don't know the name of the program.o- >Can anyone tell me the name of this package?u  @ NTP client and peer functionality is provided in all the current TCP/IP stacks for VMS.     >Thanks, Doug. >l >N >h >d >  >f   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:25:39 +0200e- From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>y Subject: Re: Open Motift3 Message-ID: <3AF14033.1F7DE270@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>t   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > K > No.  Nor are their plans to move to 2.1 right now.  Of course, input frompM > customers on business requirements for moving this forward are welcome.  WeoK > are upgrading the X11 Client to X11R6.5.1 from X11R5, and the server fromr< > X11R6.x to X11R6.5.1 - but have no plans to upgrade Motif. > F Is there a time schedule available when we may expect a full X11R6.5.1 on OpenVMS?                         JoukA   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:06:25 +0200p' From: Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de>n Subject: Re: Open Motifs* Message-ID: <3AF149C1.148E629E@iaf.fhg.de>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > K > No.  Nor are their plans to move to 2.1 right now.  Of course, input fromEM > customers on business requirements for moving this forward are welcome.  WelK > are upgrading the X11 Client to X11R6.5.1 from X11R5, and the server fromI< > X11R6.x to X11R6.5.1 - but have no plans to upgrade Motif. > L > I myself would prefer us to implement Gnome/GTK+/KDE rather than invest in > new versions of Motif.  G GTK+ is announced as multi-platform toolkit for creating graphical user 8 interfaces, primarily designed for the X Window System ( http://www.gtk.org ).l  F MOZILLA is based on GTK+ and KDE too, MOZILLA is available for OpenVMS+ so the next step is to have KDE on OpenVMS.eC Is there any activity for OpenVMS, I checked http://www.kde.org but  didn't find any hint.i     Regards, -- p  ; ***********************************************************c; *                                                         * ; *  Theo Jakobus                                           *t; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  *d; *  Tullastr. 72                                           * ; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       * ; *  Germany                                                *s; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           *t; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           *o; *  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            *e; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  *-; *                                                         *1; ***********************************************************c   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:50:50 +0200 - From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>t Subject: Re: Open Motift3 Message-ID: <3AF1542A.5637B9E9@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>h   Theo Jakobus wrote:y >  > H > MOZILLA is based on GTK+ and KDE too, MOZILLA is available for OpenVMS- > so the next step is to have KDE on OpenVMS.'E > Is there any activity for OpenVMS, I checked http://www.kde.org butm > didn't find any hint.b >   Nope: KDE is QT based:        Gnome is GTK based, but also here no VMS activity.   G  A GTK port of version 1.2.8 is available from Compaq (where is a newerI
   version???)PD  Of Qt I have seen only one immature port of an old version that didD    not compile at my machine due to "local disk names of the porter"$    still there in the build-scripts.                        Jouk    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:29:24 +0100C From: "Lock Horsburgh" <lock@lhorsburgh.NO.RUBBISH.freeserve.co.uk> ) Subject: Re: PCs Need to Query RMS files.t. Message-ID: <9crbvt$4g7$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>  2 "Jeremy Begg" <jeremy@vsm.com.au> wrote in message# news:3AEFA2B2.3080904@vsm.com.au...n
 > Hello Lock,s >i <SNIP> >aG > What happened to Attunity Connect?  That's the one that has "officialw	 blessing"g( > from Compaq's OpenVMS marketing group. >h
 > Regards, >h >         Jeremy Beggo    E Missed them somehow, but I've now visited site and e-mailed for info.V   Thanks.P   Lock.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:01:12 +0100C From: "Lock Horsburgh" <lock@lhorsburgh.NO.RUBBISH.freeserve.co.uk>s Subject: Re: Screen Scarpers?.. Message-ID: <9crdrh$erv$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>  J I used MultiView from JSB www.jsb.com to give facelift a dumb terminal app running on VMS and UNIX.  K You fill in forms that tell it if what to do if it sees this string in that-H line and column - turn it into a button, a sunken field, make it bold orL change the colour, etc. You can have one general set of rules, and recogniseJ other screen layouts by their title and switch to other pages of rules forJ each group of screens. It is not necessary to have a separate set of rulesK for every screen, I found about 10 sets of rules covered literally hundreds ( of screen layouts - it was a big system.  L I gave it  colours,  turned the character menus to mouse click-able buttons,J and let the user select the field to update by clicking on it.  UpdateableD fields were in recessed boxes, captions were on the form background,J the screen title was on a different colour background, and so on. I caughtB various standard prompts and made the options into little buttons.  L Error messages came up red, warnings orange, OK/Info messages green, and youJ clicked on them to acknowledge and make them go away.. But I couldn't makeE them into dialogue boxes, they were still a line at the bottom of the  screen.W  F Right click brought up a customisable menu - I added choices for help,I several common enquiries, print screen, refresh, and some other functionsh. that needed a few key strokes on the terminal.  F Double left click I configured as "accept this screen" or "next page",( double right click was help for a while.  K I was quite pleased with the results, but it still doesn't really look liketI a "real" windows app., though it is a long way from a VT100. In places it H ended up looking more like a simple web page. User reactions ranged from* enthusiasm through suspicion to hostility.  E Snag is, the terminal emulator is aimed at UNIX, not VMS, so the fileaJ transfer is not useable, and there are a couple of other issues, like withH using the keypad in the editor. That didn't matter to most users, but it irritated the ops people.c  K Personally I much prefer Reflection as a terminal emulator, but I never gotiF around to finding how much screen scraping you can do with that now itE includes VBA. Looks like a lot more work, and Reflection is much moredF expensive, and the customer had an older version of Multiview already.  3 "Bob Church" <rjchurch@nlhc.nf.ca> wrote in messagel, news:3ae824b6.289143@betanews.thezone.net... > Hi,o >aE > Just wondering if anyone out there knows of any products which willnD > permit a PC (Windoze) to intercept character-based data from a VMS1 > system and present it to users in a GUI layout.0 >  > thanks in advance, >p > bobi   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:28:33 -0400D5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>aA Subject: Re: Spam, eggs, bacon, spam, spam ... attn: Hoff Hoffmana2 Message-ID: <w07xOuQ=P=4wHIHifZu0BODmiRrg@4ax.com>  @ I found the pulldown menu that turns headers on.  Unfortunately,A following this particular user's headers is not the easiest thing ? to do.  I'll try it at home from Outlook when I get the chance.   @ On Thu, 03 May 2001 00:39:42 GMT, StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood) wrote:   1 >On Wed, 02 May 2001 15:26:05 -0400, David Beattyr* ><David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> wrote: >>C >>I will -- as soon as I can figure out how to get Agent to display? >>them!F >> >>>MA >If it is the same as Free Agent, press the H key and the headersy >appear at the top.r >h >Steve >Steven P. Underwood,DNRCu >Whitinsville,MA >StevenU@POBoxes.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:24:27 -0400m5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> A Subject: Re: Spam, eggs, bacon, spam, spam ... attn: Hoff Hoffmann2 Message-ID: <hk3xOtDuf1SQaJCyI74rztx2dTYi@4ax.com>  A     It's much easier to see if a group is moderated under Outlookw# Express; that's what I use at home.   E     Weeding through the headers from Agent is not as easy as Outlook,-F either, especially with this particular user's headers.  I'll probably& do it from home when I get the chance.       Thanks, again.   David R. Beattyn  E On Wed, 02 May 2001 20:02:59 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoffe Hoffman) wrote:O  k >In article <Xl=wOqC9yrPOvJpVFbn2OczQ4g5j@4ax.com>, David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> writes:  >vF >:I didn't know if [the comp.os.vms newsgroup] was moderated or not... >rN >  You can see the newsgroup moderator information in the nntpd headers -- if N >  the group is moderated, though I have no idea how (or if) this information M >  is visible in your "Forte Agent 1.6/32.525" newsreader tool.  Look for theoK >  nntpd "Approved" entry in the headers -- as an example, the OpenVMS FAQ nL >  contains the "Approved" line as it is cross-posted over into a moderated 
 >  newsgroup.M >eO > --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------aM >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.comh   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:27:34 -0400 5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>-A Subject: Re: Spam, eggs, bacon, spam, spam ... attn: Hoff HoffmanS2 Message-ID: <LE7xOmnHNqS8Hur9=c2eO1sLUbrw@4ax.com>  6     O.K., enough of the lashing with the wet noodle, I7 deserved it and now get it.  Must be that Solaris stuffo I'm having to deal with.  ;-)-  :     Hoff did an admirable job of explaning it to me in the) first reply.  Next time I'll know better.   0 On Wed, 02 May 2001 08:28:21 -0400, David Beatty) <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> wrote:e   >c
 >    Hoff, > @ >    It looks like comp.os.vms (among other newsgroups) is being< >spammed by tariq@nsquare.com.  I don't know if this is yourA >correct e-mail address, so I'm posting to the newsgroup as well.i >  >David R. Beatty   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2001 11:55:08 GMTh/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>S Subject: Re: TIN 1.4.4* Message-ID: <9crgus$ikh$1@news1.Radix.Net>  1 Zane H. Healy <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote:.2 > Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> wrote:M >>> AlphaStation 200 4/233 running OpenVMS V7.2 and TCPIP V5.0.  Actaully I'm N >>> suspecting that this might be the problem as I've not yet tried rebuilding >>> Tin from the sources.t  O >> perhaps (I built/tested on 7.2-1, the executables on the cdrom were built byn >> someone else on 6.x).  M > OK, I also realized right after posting the last message that I was lookinggN > at the wrong error entry for ACCVIO. (oops)  It looks like the key statementP > in the correct error entry is " indicate that the instruction caused a length L > violation (bit 0)".  I'm wondering if the problem isn't the huge number ofM > newsgroups my ISP carries.  I know this causes problems for a couple of thei% > other newsreaders that run OpenVMS.p  I yes - that's an issue (I mostly run tin from Solaris on machines "closer"-E to the news server, but still use a relatively small .newsrc, e.g., a- few hundred groups).  J > It also strikes me as odd how long it takes to go through the following:  % > Reading groups from active file...-  > Checking for new groups...# > Reading global attributes file...M > Reading attributes file... > Reading newsgroups file.../-  M > I've not timed it, but it's something like 15-20 minutes, and it looks like M > it blows up right about the time the process size hits 6MB (750 pages).  So I > I'm wondering if I need to bump up some quota, but I don't see anythingrH > obvious.  The user account currently has all quota's at the defaults I
 > believe.  H How large can a process be on your system?  (I don't know - would expect# it to be fairly large on an Alpha).t   -- n= Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>T http://dickey.his.com  ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2001 12:03:12 GMTK/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>h Subject: Re: TIN 1.4.4* Message-ID: <9crhe0$ikh$2@news1.Radix.Net>  > Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.310887.killspam.0162> wrote:> >> %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual >> address=6D2E6D2E6D2E+) >> 6D2C, PC=6D2E6D2E6D2E6D2C, PS=0000001B   M > Looks to me like a bug in the code.  The stack is being overwritten with an J > ascii string.   Notice that all the hex values above correspond to asciiM > characters.   This typically happens when you allocate a stack-based stringtM > variable of a certain size and then copy a larger string into it.  Once you P > pass the end of the allocated string, you are wildwriting into the stack, withO > unpredictable results.  The accvio occurs because the return address has been # > overwritten by the acsii chars.  a  / it doesn't look like a plausible string overrun0& (nothing that looks like "real" text).  H More likely, heap corruption from a misplaced pointer or someplace where< Alpha's data sizes didn't match the program's notions, e.g.," 	sizeof(size_t) > sizeof(unsigned)   > For instance:, >> address=6D2E6D2E6D2E6D2Cn >           m . m . m . m ,    --  = Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>. http://dickey.his.como ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:19:49 +0100?0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>. Subject: Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation) Message-ID: <3AF17715.CBB505A@uk.sun.com>h   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > D > andrew harrison wrote in message <3AE95DC3.29BC330C@uk.sun.com>... >  > snip > 9 > >It also raises the question of how usefull COE will ben > >to OpenVMS. > >r > > snip > I > COE will be useful because there are many, many primes with DOD project1M > bids, that are falling all over themselves to *NOT* use Sun and to use VMS.a- > COE certification on VMS unlocks the gates.5 > H > The fact that it means we have to emulate a Solaris system sucks.  But > that's life in the big city. > 4 > Everything else about COE is just gravy...  but... > J > Besides, pinhead, UNIX-is-UNIX-is-UNIX (at least at the source level) --N > isn't that the snake oil you've been selling?   So if you imagine a day whenF > VMS is UNIX98 compliant (or even better LINUX compliant), and has anG > alternative "UNIX shell" interface.  Why should a port to it be *any*lB > different than that between a HP, a Sun, a IBM, and a Tru64 box? >  > None.  Nada.  Zip.    ) Did I suggest it would be any different. y   But ask yourself this.  - Why is it that some UNIX's have much more SW  ! available for them than others ?    1 Solaris and HP-UX have over double the apps when N compared with Tru64. e  1 Yet porting between Solaris/HP-UX and Tru64 isn'to+ hard and is well documented and understood.s  . Could it be that having a virtually identical - set of API's on the source and destionation  e0 platform to is not the only criteria that ISV's + consider when they decide to make a port ? o  / Could it be that they consider available marketv/ ISV incentive schemes and a whole host of otherl factors before making a port.n  . Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking COE for 2 OpenVMS, without it getting them to even consider 5 a port would be much harder. But it is only one very c6 small part of what is required to get ISV's to support your platform.     regardse Andrew Harrison4 Enterprise IT Architectn   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:23:31 GMTe1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au>e. Subject: Re: Wanted: VAX or microVax in the UK9 Message-ID: <75cI6.1642$CN.310433@nostril.pacific.net.au>i  % Tobias Russell <toby@taer.com> wrote:  > Hi,a  M > I'm looking to add a Vax to my collection of PDP11 machines I've assembled.cI > Does anyone have a machine in the UK that they might be tempted to parta > with?n  ? 	Please read Adrian Lumsden's post, he is offering a small VAX.e, 	His post is following yours very closely...   					Cheers,     Csaba  I    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- E    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehoguE    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.-I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------t;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:3   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2001 08:32:47 -0500 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%3 Message-ID: <nJdSOdLQA83+@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  [ In article <3AF08C14.1CF6DD5B@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:v  C > Is "God" necessary in order for the concept to exist where in thee3 > harming of one person by another becomes immoral?   
 Not to me.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation:= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupdE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2001 08:34:15 -0500r- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)p> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%3 Message-ID: <OFuRtFJBb7UN@eisner.encompasserve.org>p  Q In article <9cqkg1$2l0$2@husk.cso.niu.edu>, system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu writes:i > G > Bob Kohler (sp?) espoused an intriguing idea that the universe itselflH > can be the determiner of morality... I suppose that is the idea behind > karma... m >   8 KoEhler.  But more importantly, that is not what I said.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation.= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group*E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2001 13:32:47 GMT # From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%+ Message-ID: <9crmlv$gtp$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>   / koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: & >system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu writes: >>  H >> Bob Kohler (sp?) espoused an intriguing idea that the universe itselfI >> can be the determiner of morality... I suppose that is the idea behind  >> karma...  >>   >m9 >KoEhler.  But more importantly, that is not what I said.h  D My apologies for the misspelling and misstatement of what you said,  I plead a lack of sleep.  , ============================================- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)- Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsa> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% Date: 2 May 2001 08:32:21 -0500:  I In article <9cmvg3$kg9$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>, system@niuhep.physics.niu.eduk writes :y > G > How does one determine and/or talk about an absolute morality withoute > an absolute source/reference?v >D  C My absolute source appears to be different from yours.  I trust thew@ universe I live in to be the final arbitrator.  I can accept theF existence of absolute morality without having to hang it off something or personify it.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:02:30 -04002 From: Mihali Felipe <mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu>> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%M Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10105031029410.22984-100000@rock.geology.yale.edu>u  2 On 3 May 2001 system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu wrote:5 > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:o > >gD > >Is "God" necessary in order for the concept to exist where in the4 > >harming of one person by another becomes immoral?  @ No, but it would merely be a relative morality within a mutuallyG understood code of conduct and where abberations would abound. Clearly,oB people have harmed others for their own personal gain or survival.  rH > Unless I have missed or forgotten something, my position differs from N > Mihali's in that I think that you can use any absolute,authoritative source C > of morality,as opposed to only God, to discuss absolute morality.h  H I don't know what you mean by "any absolute, authoritative source" otherG than (a) God. Were you referring to some other thing in particular? ForrF instance, like the suggested unknown, undefined, absolute set of rules pie-in-the-sky?d     - Mihali 	    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:04:41 GMTi. From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com>> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%< Message-ID: <JcgI6.54418$U4.12819648@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>  = Mihali Felipe <mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu> wrote in message G news:Pine.SOL.4.10.10104301412510.11743-100000@rock.geology.yale.edu...s >r8 > On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:L > > So is religion. Or are you going to argue that every catholic interpretsG > > the catholic teachings in exactly the same way? It's /all/ personalu choice > > at some level. > 0 > With humans, yes. With God, by definition, no. >i
 > - Mihali    J What definition?  I can only see that if you presume your god is the finalL source of these rules.  Have you ever asked how it came up with these rules?K Is it because of their innate "goodness" and their universal applicability?nL If so, then why do we need a middleman?  If not, then do we want to base ourI lives on rules *not* based on innate goodness or universal applicability?r  D If they are fixed rules, why have religions changed their respectiveE interpretations of the rules over the generations?  Because the rulesiJ change?  Because some human being's "insight" into the supernatural causesL them to be rewritten?  My guess would be none of the above -- that it's moreF attributable to societal changes.  Which makes morality relative, or a personal choice.   Aaronl --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html> Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org/ "F u cn rd ds, U mst uz UNIX.e1  If you can read this, you could handle OpenVMS."s   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.247 ************************