1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 09 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 258       Contents: 7.2-2 availabilityN Alternate VMS GNAT sources, was: Re: Problem with predefined library, was: Re:% Re: Cleaning up the License database. % Re: Cleaning up the License database.  Re: Compaq and SSH Re: Disk re-organisation RE: Disk re-organisation RE: Disk re-organisation Re: Disk re-organisation Re: Disk re-organisation Re: Disk re-organisation Re: Disk re-organisation+ Re: FREE:  MicroVAX II shell (BA23 cabinet)  Re: GNU C++ CompilerF Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets theblame Hobbyists: Free to a good home! * Re: How to repair corrupted ACCOUNTNG.DAT?* Re: How to repair corrupted ACCOUNTNG.DAT? Re: LDAP on OpenVMS 2 Re: mounting 2 disk with the same label in cluster OpenVMS with NetBeans 3.2 " Oracle Parallel Server on OpenVMS?& Re: Oracle Parallel Server on OpenVMS?& Re: Oracle Parallel Server on OpenVMS?& Re: Oracle Parallel Server on OpenVMS?& Re: Oracle Parallel Server on OpenVMS? Re: OT: Pioneer 10 lives!  Re: OT: Pioneer 10 lives! 
 Rambus busted  Re: SYSMAN and SMISERVER TCP/IP printing on vms 7.1 Re: TCP/IP printing on vms 7.1 Re: TCP/IP printing on vms 7.1 Re: TCP/IP printing on vms 7.1/ Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants 3 VAX Just Stops - Not the Usual Suspects - follow up  vax/vms hobbyist# VMS 7.2 BACKUP damaging system disk ' Re: VMS 7.2 BACKUP damaging system disk  VMS 7.3 docs on OpenVMS webite? E Re: www.openvms.compaq.com doesn't display correctly in VMS Navigator E Re: www.openvms.compaq.com doesn't display correctly in VMS Navigator E Re: www.openvms.compaq.com doesn't display correctly in VMS Navigator E Re: www.openvms.compaq.com doesn't display correctly in VMS Navigator   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 02:50:52 GMT $ From: Ed Wilts <ewilts@mediaone.net> Subject: 7.2-2 availability < Message-ID: <gg2K6.30009$V6.1255695@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net>  L I've heard lots of rumors about the availability of 7.2-2, but can't recall H hearing when it would actually ship or how we can get our hands on it.  I Alas, the OpenVMS web site is quite silent on the subject...  I've got a  L bunch of systems to upgrade from 7.2 and 7.1-2, and going straight to 7.2-2 ! would save me a lot of headaches.   ? Anybody here know when I can expect 7.2-2 to actually roll out?    Thanks,          .../Ed --   Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts@mediaone.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 18:23:46 GMT B From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>W Subject: Alternate VMS GNAT sources, was: Re: Problem with predefined library, was: Re: 6 Message-ID: <SQWJ6.6533$vg1.511466@www.newsranger.com>  . On Tue, 08 May 2001 09:26:51 -0400, in article? <3AF7F41B.FD215B73@NOSPAMcompaq.com>, Charlie McCutcheon wrote:  > C >I've found that ADA$STARTUP.COM does mention components of the Ada  >product from the full kit.  > G >This is a particial kit which only installed the Compaq Ada components ' >which Gnat wants for its installation.  > : >I plan to update the kit on the Compaq Ada web page soon. >  >Thanks for reporting this.  >  >Charlie >Compaq Ada  >   : Thanks for the feedback, now I know that it wasn't me. :-)  E Does anybody know any alternate sources for the public VMS GNAT kit ? H The one at NYU is missing GDB, but according to ACT, GDB should be thereG but appears to have been accidently removed and ACT suggests that I try J the alternate mirror sites. The only problem is that since the VMS versionC is now hidden behind .../private/old/... the mirror sites that I've  checked don't have it.  I BTW, is anybody still seeing blank subject lines from me ? I thought that J newsranger had fixed the problem after I reported it, but with the subjectK line on this message that I am replying to been blank, I'm now not so sure.    Simon.   --  ; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP J 'The statement that "it can never happen" is not an acceptable programmingH approach. You must assume it can happen and be in control when it does.'=           -- Ada 95 Quality and Style Guidelines, US DoD AJPO    ------------------------------   Date: 8 May 2001 15:15:21 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: Re: Cleaning up the License database.3 Message-ID: <y7EJh6m2DJTF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <3AF83025.FFCC3947@iee.org>, "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:  >  >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:J >> Incidentally, I just went through this process last week on 5 differentK >> license databases (CSA license last 1 year).  I am switching to a single  >> license database :-)  >  > Is this legal :-)  > 5 > The wording on the licence (and in the manual IIRC) 2 > when VAX/VMS V5.0 turned up with LMF implied (or5 > possibly stated unambiguously ... it's been a while 6 > now!) that the licence database had to be maintained3 > and that Digital could ask for a copy at any time . > and revoke your licences if you refused. The0 > wording was such that wiping your database and7 > re-populating *appeared* not to be allowed. (In fact, 8 > if wording did permit that, then the whole thing would/ > have been pretty pointless so far as spotting  > infractions went, no?)  F Legal is a funny term, subject to interpretation only upon litigation.B I am confident that in such a situation the advice in the VMS fileA SYLOGICALS.TEMPLATE to use a common file across the cluster would @ be viewed as permission from the vendor, especially since it has7 been updated more recently that the V5.0 documentation.   < For anyone who is familiar with how LMF works, it is obvious< that a technical effort is made to ensure that contents from= various LMFs in the cluster are not in disagreement with each 4 other (not quite the same thing as being identical).  9 Beyond that, the license I have that are not specifically . allocated to a particular node are all either:  ; 	Personal use licenses, valid for a single named individual < 	CSA license, good for a year for as many systems as you own  @ Actually, though, I never explicitly thought of any legal issue.F My gut instinct as a software developer is not to cheat other software) developers out of their rightful revenue.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 22:05:34 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger). Subject: Re: Cleaning up the License database.L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0805012205350001@user-2ivebcs.dialup.mindspring.com>  @ In article <3AF83025.FFCC3947@iee.org>, arcarlini@iee.org wrote:   > Larry Kilgallen wrote:K > > Incidentally, I just went through this process last week on 5 different L > > license databases (CSA license last 1 year).  I am switching to a single > > license database :-) >  > Is this legal :-)  > 5 > The wording on the licence (and in the manual IIRC) 2 > when VAX/VMS V5.0 turned up with LMF implied (or5 > possibly stated unambiguously ... it's been a while 6 > now!) that the licence database had to be maintained3 > and that Digital could ask for a copy at any time . > and revoke your licences if you refused. The0 > wording was such that wiping your database and. > re-populating *appeared* not to be allowed.   ? The last time I read this stuff carefully, I came away with the J understanding that one could legally clean out a license database, as longJ as an archive copy containing all the history is maintained somewhere.  InC other words, the current, active copy does not have to be fill with   umpteen years of historical rot.   I am not a lawyer.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 03:51:42 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)  Subject: Re: Compaq and SSH 0 Message-ID: <3af8be8d.32279585@news.process.com>  O On Mon, 07 May 2001 23:29:39 -0400, Eric Ebinger <eebinger@telocity.com> wrote:   : >Interestingly enough I stumbled across the following link3 >(http://www.ssh.com/partners/) that says, in part:  > K >"Compaq Computer Corporation has licensed SSH IPSEC Express to incorporate K >it into its enterprise-leading server operating systems --- Tru64 UNIX and 
 >OpenVMS." >  >Interesting...but is it real? > A SSH IPSEC Express != Secure SHell, but, rather, an implementation % of IPSEC.  Or so it appears to me....    Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 11:03:19 -0700 + From: Linda Luik <p14175@email.sps.mot.com> ! Subject: Re: Disk re-organisation 1 Message-ID: <3AF834E7.FE3328FC@email.sps.mot.com>   < 1) Create a directory for each little disk on the big disk, H 2) copy the data into the little disk directories using the COPY command@ or by backing up the data and restoring it to the new locations,G 3) then redefine the little disk logicals to point to those directories  on the big disk.    ? Note: Don't delete the data off the little disks until you know  everything is working okay.      Kenneth wrote: > J > I have 4 small disks and now want to move them to one single large disk.K > What should I do in order to make this process user transparent? i.e. The K > users / application does not need to make any modification and they seems  > accessing the old disk?  >  > Thanks   --  
 Linda Luik Motorola GIS 2200 W. Broadway Rd.	 AZ09-M555  Mesa, Arizona 85202  Phone: 480-655-4432  FAX:   480-655-3659  Pager  1-888-772-5230  linda.luik@motorola.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 14:04:21 -0400 + From: "O'Connor, Marty" <MOConnor@DVFS.COM> ! Subject: RE: Disk re-organisation F Message-ID: <85C741006DA1D0119CE00000F8752CE304078A0B@msexc1.dvfs.com>  L Many times I have consolidated disks in this manner (since starting off withJ PR06's and RM05's). what I usually did was create a directory off the rootI of the new disk  named for the logical name that we used to reference the J old disk. Then I created a rooted logical the same name as the old logical! disk to point to that directory.    + 	If G123: pointed to the old disk $1$dua123  	Then create   	$ create/dir  New_disk:[G1234] 7 	$ define /system /exec /translate=(concealed,terminal)  New_disk:[G1234.] G123  K Now all users referencing G123: will look like it's the old disk. This also > keeps the root of the new disk from getting loaded with files.  J The only problem that I rarely encountered is if the old disk already went" the maximum depth of directories.    Marty O'Connor  H In article <9d981l$aq71@imsp212.netvigator.com>, "Kenneth" <abc@abc.com> writes: I >I have 4 small disks and now want to move them to one single large disk. J >What should I do in order to make this process user transparent? i.e. TheJ >users / application does not need to make any modification and they seems >accessing the old disk?  D If the users/applications reference the old disks by logical names, I then you just redefine the four old logicals to point to the new logical.  e.g.       $ mount/sys DKA0 NEW_DISK )     $! That defines DISK$NEW_DISK as DKA0 #     $ definE/SYS OLD_DISK1 NEW_DISK #     $ definE/SYS OLD_DISK2 NEW_DISK #     $ definE/SYS OLD_DISK3 NEW_DISK #     $ definE/SYS OLD_DISK4 NEW_DISK   G If you are NOT using logical names, then every reference has to change.    --  K     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 14:18:46 -0500 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>! Subject: RE: Disk re-organisation - Message-ID: <0033000023758783000002L032*@MHS>    =0ATwo words:  rooted logicals   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET % > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 1:02 PM F > To: Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET > Subject: Disk re-organisation  >  > > > I have 4 small disks and now want to move them to one single
 > large disk. 5 > What should I do in order to make this process user  > transparent? i.e. The < > users / application does not need to make any modification > and they seems > accessing the old disk?  >  > Thanks >=   ------------------------------   Date: 8 May 2001 23:27:23 GMT - From: Joe Heimann <heimann@nog.ecs.umass.edu> ! Subject: Re: Disk re-organisation , Message-ID: <9d9vcr$49l$1@odo.ecs.umass.edu>  9 Charlie Hammond <hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net> wrote: R > In article <9d981l$aq71@imsp212.netvigator.com>, "Kenneth" <abc@abc.com> writes:J >>I have 4 small disks and now want to move them to one single large disk.K >>What should I do in order to make this process user transparent? i.e. The K >>users / application does not need to make any modification and they seems  >>accessing the old disk?   F > If the users/applications reference the old disks by logical names, K > then you just redefine the four old logicals to point to the new logical.  > e.g.   >     $ mount/sys DKA0 NEW_DISK + >     $! That defines DISK$NEW_DISK as DKA0 % >     $ definE/SYS OLD_DISK1 NEW_DISK % >     $ definE/SYS OLD_DISK2 NEW_DISK % >     $ definE/SYS OLD_DISK3 NEW_DISK % >     $ definE/SYS OLD_DISK4 NEW_DISK   I > If you are NOT using logical names, then every reference has to change.   C Depending on what is using the logical names, you might have to use G DEFINE /SYS /EXEC to create an executive mode logical.  I have run into E that as an issue while consolidating disks on our VMS cluster while I  get it ready for shutdown.   Joe Heimann    heimann@ecs.umass.edu    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 03:12:57 GMT . From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com>! Subject: Re: Disk re-organisation < Message-ID: <ZA2K6.81234$U4.17794671@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>  J Just as a side note, this kind of detail (multiple top level dirs) is onlyH required when there are conflicting top level directory names on the oldE disk drives.  If none of the dirs conflict, then you can load all the L directories at the top level, create the old DISK$old_disk_label logicals to@ point to the top level dir.  Then urge your users to use the newK DISK$new_disk_label in all their future coding, and migrate the old code to  the new logical.  I If they are using physical device names (e.g., $2$DKA300:) instead, their L programs _will_ break.  Have them start recoding now.  Emphasize the need toH use logicals to ensure a level of abstraction and hardware independence.H (Good thing you're using VMS and not U*X or NT...  Oops, let's not troll down that rathole!!!)   ' Been there, done that, successfully :^)  Aaron  --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html> Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org/- "It's the marketing, stupid!" (Terry Shannon)     4 O'Connor, Marty <MOConnor@DVFS.COM> wrote in message@ news:85C741006DA1D0119CE00000F8752CE304078A0B@msexc1.dvfs.com...I > Many times I have consolidated disks in this manner (since starting off  withL > PR06's and RM05's). what I usually did was create a directory off the rootK > of the new disk  named for the logical name that we used to reference the L > old disk. Then I created a rooted logical the same name as the old logical" > disk to point to that directory. : L > The only problem that I rarely encountered is if the old disk already went# > the maximum depth of directories.  >  > Marty O'Connor   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 22:26:48 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ! Subject: Re: Disk re-organisation ' Message-ID: <3AF8B8F8.EED31685@fsi.net>    WILLIAM WEBB wrote:  >  > Two words:  rooted logicals    ...but there *IS* a caveat:   H Some DCL proc.'s might use F$PARSE() with NO_CONCEAL and not remove the E "][" mid-string before doing other string manipulations, resulting in G garbled filespec.'s. Thorough testing seems to be the only way to shake 	 that out.   , That bit one site that I was on last summer.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE SystemsI http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged./   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 05:56:42 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)! Subject: Re: Disk re-organisations; Message-ID: <3af8bffa.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>m   Kenneth (abc@abc.com) wrote:J > I have 4 small disks and now want to move them to one single large disk.K > What should I do in order to make this process user transparent? i.e. ThenK > users / application does not need to make any modification and they seemst > accessing the old disk?t  @ I've thrown together a few disks myself, and had good success byD DEFINEing (/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE/TRANSLATION=CONCEAL, of course) the old device names to the new disk.w  J Do not forget to use the output qualifier /BY_OWNER=ORIGINAL if you BACKUP	 the data.e  E The question that went unanswered then was how to merge the QUOTA.SYSk files?!i   cu,n   Martin --  F                           | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3  Cetero censeo            | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F  Redmondem esse delendam. |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:                           | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 03:36:16 GMTC, From: "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.com>4 Subject: Re: FREE:  MicroVAX II shell (BA23 cabinet); Message-ID: <QW2K6.16682$Cc1.6111685@typhoon.austin.rr.com>s  K In message <hdzJ6.41532$4X4.6454233@news02.optonline.net>, "Frank Sapienza"d <sapienza@noesys.com> wrote:J > Well, I think it's a BA23.  It's the narrow tower -- it's either BA23 or > BA123. > I > Whatever.  When I last cannabilized this system everything worked fine.kN > What remains is the tower with Q-bus backplane and power supply, an internalI > TK50 drive, an RD54-compatible drive, and a bunch of screws and knobs. t IsJ > also have the hardware maintainance books.  And there's a CPU board with a F > bad console port (output, no input).  The CPU actually booted last I > remember.o > I > Unit is located in East Northport, Long Island, New York.  You want it,f come
 > and get it.  > L > Of course, since there wasn't any interest in the VR299, maybe this'll get > trashed as well. > I I caculated the shipping on that VR299 and decided I'd rather eat for thet, next month.  How much does this thing weigh?   -- I4 Jay E. Morris Epsilon 3 Productions www.epsilon3.com@ Posted with Ink Spot (for Windows CE) from DejaVu Software, Inc.8 Usenet wherever you are - http://www.dejavusoftware.com/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 19:28:12 -07005 From: "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com>l Subject: Re: GNU C++ Compiler0) Message-ID: <OmlDV1p1AHA.198@cpmsnbbsa09>S  8 I believe there are a few addresses mentioned in the FAQ  5 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.htmlW  - "A. Irmak" <desmondo@gmx.de> wrote in messagef. news:3af58d70.114267046@news.rwth-aachen.de... > Hello Folks, >eH > can anybody tell me where I can obtain a VMS distribution of GNU C++ ? >c > Thank you very much,
 > A. Irmak >b   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:48:13 -0700- From: "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> O Subject: Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets theblame ; Message-ID: <3af8bdff$0$39606$8eec23a@newsreader.tycho.net>g  I Yes, but what if you configured the system in such as way that the hackerrJ only saw the OpenVMS presence on the network?  In this case I do not thinkE that you would have the vulnerability of the W/P environment exposed.   I Remember, the W/P environment is like the console of the VAX and the onlyuK way to protect the VAX console is to lock it in a room.  Same thing for them	 emulator.    --
 Bill Pederseni CCSS Corporation www.CCSScorp.com 831-336-2708  : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:wl7Hs22kYllE@eisner.encompasserve.org...y: > In article <3AF03344.9C97230F@oracle.com>, Peter Jackson" <peter.jackson@oracle.com> writes: > > andrew harrison wrote: > >oB > >> Can you guarantee that OpenVMS if running on x86 would be any@ > >> more or less vunerable to this kind of attack than Solaris, > >> Linux etc.t > >.F > > I can guarantee that if you put VMS on x86 at the moment you would, > > not be able to break in and do anything.K > > I can also guarantee that an attack such as you describe would not worko( > > on any system currently running VMS. >rG > I have to disagree.  I was running VMS on a Pentium under Charon-VAX.iJ > Clearly it was depending on Charon-VAX's MV II emulation which can be noH > more secure than the W2K-P3 combination it was running on.  Suppose anF > outsider hacked W2K and then used that to hack Charon-VAX.  It could > have done anything.S > H > ----------------------------------------------------------------------A > Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences CorporationS? > NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group G >                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 02:52:01 GMT . From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com>( Subject: Hobbyists: Free to a good home!< Message-ID: <lh2K6.81190$U4.17775056@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>  $ Hobbyists!  Your attention please...  H Normally we sell these systems to system resellers/used dealers, but theK return is getting less and less.  So now, we'd like to offer this system up: to a hobbyist.  I In La Crosse, Wisconsin, one of our customers has recently upgraded to anuJ Alpha and the following gear is now available for the cost of shipping (or3 you can pick it up if you are in the neighborhood):     DV-45JV2-A9 VAX 4500A VAX SYSTEM MS690-CA 64MB MEMORY  RF32E-AF 1.6GB DISK DRIVE (QTY2) TF85E-JA TAPE DRIVEl RF362-AA 3.2GB DUAL ISE$ RF35E-AF 852MB DSSI ISEo KZQSA-SA CONTROLLERv& R400X-B9 VAX 4000 MASS STORAGE EXP BOX* H4010-AA BA2XX TO BA4X CABLE CONNECTOR KIT$ CXY08-AA 8-LINE MUX, INTERNAL TO CPU! FS-AVI01-3E AVIV 890Q7 TAPE DRIVEs  J Some of the following may still be available if they've not yet gotten rid6 of it (or, indeed, if they even want to part with it):  ! TSV05-SE BA2XX QBUS MAGTAPE DRIVEo DSRVF-BA DECSERVER 300 VT420-BA TERMINAL (QTY 2?) LA324-CA PRINTER! LA75-CA DOT MATRIX SERIAL PRINTERn  H Again, we'd prefer no resellers -- we want this to go to someone who can" make good use of it as a hobbyist.   Please contact me directly at:     FreeVAX at hsv.sungardtrust.com  C and I'll put you and our customer together to work out the details.y  I After this system is claimed, this email address will evaporate...  (TakeC THAT SPAMbots!)0   AaronE --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html> Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org/- "It's the marketing, stupid!" (Terry Shannon)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 18:35:29 -0700- From: "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com>e3 Subject: Re: How to repair corrupted ACCOUNTNG.DAT? ; Message-ID: <3af89ee5$0$39605$8eec23a@newsreader.tycho.net>y  L ACCOUNTNG.DAT is just a variable length record file.  Why not create a shortK program to read a record and write it to the new file.  Then you can "skip"a the bad record(s).  % Is should be a fairly simple program.p   Bill.t  > "Panagiotis Kassapidis" <pkassapi@panafon.gr> wrote in message0 news:42256A46.0054C39C.00@mailsmtp.panafon.gr... >d >  > Hello! >lJ > A (large) accounting file on one of our OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 systems gotJ > corrupted somehow. It seems however that OpenVMS kept writing accounting recordsaF > to it long after the point it was garbled, as DUMP/BLOCK=(START:nnn)
 indicates.J > Is there a way we can work around the destroyed part, repair the file if needed& > and continue reading the rest of it? >oL > The actual error message we are getting when reading the ACCOUNTNG.DAT is: >u= > $ accounting/user=XXXXXX /output=XXXXXX.lis ACCOUNTNG.DAT;4lC > %ACC-E-READERR, error reading SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]ACCOUNTNG.DAT;4eE > -ACC-W-INVACCREC, record 1344214 has invalid or unrecognized formatiC > %ACC-E-READERR, error reading SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]ACCOUNTNG.DAT;4rE > -ACC-W-INVACCREC, record 1344215 has invalid or unrecognized formatE > .c > .  > .eC > %ACC-E-READERR, error reading SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]ACCOUNTNG.DAT;4 ; > -RMS-W-RTB, 23846 byte record too large for user's buffero > $o >o > L > We would like to hear if anyone has ever attempted to retrieve data from aH > messed up accounting file, and what was the outcome. I can provide you more > information if required. >  > Thank you in advance,o > Panayiotis >r > ---------------------p > Panayiotis Kassapidise > UNIX/VMS Services - > Technical / Computer & Information Servicesc > PANAFON Services S.A.n >? > Tel: +30 1 427 6968v > Mobile: +30 944 600 163v > Fax: +30 1 427 6979e > e-mail : pkassapi@panafon.gr >t >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 01:31:20 -0400 ' From: Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org>n3 Subject: Re: How to repair corrupted ACCOUNTNG.DAT?s, Message-ID: <3AF8D628.778D2512@ui.urban.org>  D A crude hack that has worked for me before went something like this:   $ open /read bad accountng.bad! $ open /write good accountng.good. $ again:$ $ read /error=again /end=eof bad rec $ write good rec $ goto again $ eof: $ close badr $ close good  C You lose data right around the corrupted spot, but at least you get  records after it..   Panagiotis Kassapidis wrote: >  > Hello! > J > A (large) accounting file on one of our OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 systems gotR > corrupted somehow. It seems however that OpenVMS kept writing accounting recordsQ > to it long after the point it was garbled, as DUMP/BLOCK=(START:nnn) indicates.mQ > Is there a way we can work around the destroyed part, repair the file if neededt& > and continue reading the rest of it? > L > The actual error message we are getting when reading the ACCOUNTNG.DAT is: > = > $ accounting/user=XXXXXX /output=XXXXXX.lis ACCOUNTNG.DAT;4rC > %ACC-E-READERR, error reading SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]ACCOUNTNG.DAT;4fE > -ACC-W-INVACCREC, record 1344214 has invalid or unrecognized formatoC > %ACC-E-READERR, error reading SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]ACCOUNTNG.DAT;4,E > -ACC-W-INVACCREC, record 1344215 has invalid or unrecognized formata > .u > .  > .0C > %ACC-E-READERR, error reading SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]ACCOUNTNG.DAT;4.; > -RMS-W-RTB, 23846 byte record too large for user's buffer  > $e > L > We would like to hear if anyone has ever attempted to retrieve data from aM > messed up accounting file, and what was the outcome. I can provide you more3 > information if required. >  > Thank you in advance,  > Panayiotis >  > ---------------------p > Panayiotis Kassapidisu > UNIX/VMS Services - > Technical / Computer & Information Servicesl > PANAFON Services S.A.e >  > Tel: +30 1 427 6968  > Mobile: +30 944 600 163p > Fax: +30 1 427 6979n > e-mail : pkassapi@panafon.gr   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/) ' Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/)h. ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:59:10 +1000D( From: Patrick Keogh <pkeogh@au1.ibm.com> Subject: Re: LDAP on OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <3AF8965E.BBD08258@au1.ibm.com>    "D.Webb" wrote:r   >tH > There is also the PERL LDAP Module which should work with PERL on VMS.- > Not sure whether python has an LDAP module.  >c  W     For the sake of completeness (it isn't really what the original question was about)tK     yes, Python has an LDAP module. See the sourceforge project Python-LDAPe  
 Patrick Keoghm IBM Global Services Australiae   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 03:24:07 GMTu. From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com>; Subject: Re: mounting 2 disk with the same label in clusteri< Message-ID: <rL2K6.81240$U4.17806315@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>  8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3AF81154.E4B9E418@videotron.ca...J > Can anyone say exactly what the DISK$volumelabel logicals are used for ? >oI > Don't almost all references to the disk drives  make use of the logical. nameL > that is specified in the mount command ? ( eg: MOUNT/system dua0: myvolume
 > $DISK1 )  L It sounds like I use the DISK$label names the way you use the user-specified	 logicals.d  L I like the DISK$label logicals as I know that they will be there if the diskA drive is accessible.  The third parameter in the Mount command is>E optional -- you can leave it off, but DISK$label will still be there.t  ( Different strokes for different folks... AaronS --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html> Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org/- "It's the marketing, stupid!" (Terry Shannon)f   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 14:59:19 -04002 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>" Subject: OpenVMS with NetBeans 3.2/ Message-ID: <wmXJ6.16$fi2.701@news.cpqcorp.net>h  G Folks I just got this and thought I would pass it on.  The URL works on  Netscape and Internet explorer.    suen     -----Original Message----- From: NetBeans# Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:49 PM G To: Java-Interest; NetBeans OVMS Intrst; NetBeans OVMS; OpenVMS Systemso Software Group- Subject: Announcing NetBeans 3.2 for OpenVMS!t    : Java Development Comes of Age on OpenVMS with NetBeans 3.2B Now you can develop Java applications on and for OpenVMS using theJ open-source leader in integrated GUI development. This is your opportunityE to get in at the beginning of a new phase of OpenVMS's evolution as acK leading-edge eBusiness platform. Although NetBeans is currently exclusivelylD a Java IDE, development is underway to extend the languages NetBeans6 supports to C, C++, Fortran, Cobol, Pascal, and Basic.  B By evaluating NetBeans, you can make a difference to the future ofE application development tools for OpenVMS. And, depending on what thenI NetBeans for OpenVMS team hears back from you, the possibility exists foreC creating add-in modules with a variety of features that would be of-4 particular value to the OpenVMS developer community.  - Download NetBeans for OpenVMS Free of Charge!e  < http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 23:28:36 +02004 From: "Robert Schmoelzer" <robert.schmoelzer@aon.at>+ Subject: Oracle Parallel Server on OpenVMS?n0 Message-ID: <3af86554$0$21056$62ce1842@SSP1NO55>  	 Hi there,f  > We are currently evaluating a solution for a high availability5 database solution which should run on a GS80 cluster.t   Options: -RDB on OpenVMSd8     seems technically great but limited support by local6     Compaq and Oracle people; Oracle says, dont use it'     for compatibility reasons (with 8i)   ( -Oracle Parallel Server on Tru64 cluster6     Oracle and Compaq (sales) prefer this, since it is4     8i "compatibel", but there seems to be no one at5     the local Q and Oracle available who want to takee0     responsibility for installation and support.  # - Oracle Parallel Server on OpenVMSI     is it available???9     Oracle says no, but from a consulting company i heardb#     there is an OPS version for VMSa4     does anybody know more, use it or has some info?   what do you people think about -performance
 -availabilityt
 -managebilityr -support -future. -... of the different possibilities     regardsd Robert   ------------------------------   Date: 8 May 2001 17:55:41 -0500a9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)G/ Subject: Re: Oracle Parallel Server on OpenVMS?D3 Message-ID: <nu3A10KdzAFs@eisner.encompasserve.org>M  g In article <3af86554$0$21056$62ce1842@SSP1NO55>, "Robert Schmoelzer" <robert.schmoelzer@aon.at> writes:r   > -RDB on OpenVMSk: >     seems technically great but limited support by local >     Compaq and Oracle people;b  8 It seems to me there is great support via the Oracle Rdb4 mailing list maintained by JCC Systems, with lots of* participation from savvy Oracle employees.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 22:19:03 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)/ Subject: Re: Oracle Parallel Server on OpenVMS?a0 Message-ID: <rh_J6.24$fi2.1330@news.cpqcorp.net>  g In article <3af86554$0$21056$62ce1842@SSP1NO55>, "Robert Schmoelzer" <robert.schmoelzer@aon.at> writes:a  ? :We are currently evaluating a solution for a high availability 6 :database solution which should run on a GS80 cluster. .. :-RDB on OpenVMS...c  #   Oracle Rdb performance screams...n  $ :- Oracle Parallel Server on OpenVMS :    is it available???o: :    Oracle says no, but from a consulting company i heard$ :    there is an OPS version for VMS  J   AFAIK, Oracle Parallel Server (at least 8.1.6) is available for OpenVMS.H   (According to some text at Oracle.com, OPS was developed on OpenVMS.  I   Finding platform support documentation at the Oracle site is, however, e   rather entertaining.)   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 8 May 2001 15:55:32 -0700 1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) / Subject: Re: Oracle Parallel Server on OpenVMS?a, Message-ID: <AqVeVoksEF6G@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  1 In article <rh_J6.24$fi2.1330@news.cpqcorp.net>,  8     hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  i > In article <3af86554$0$21056$62ce1842@SSP1NO55>, "Robert Schmoelzer" <robert.schmoelzer@aon.at> writes:p > A > :We are currently evaluating a solution for a high availability 8 > :database solution which should run on a GS80 cluster. > .. > :-RDB on OpenVMS...s > % >   Oracle Rdb performance screams...i >i& > :- Oracle Parallel Server on OpenVMS > :    is it available???K< > :    Oracle says no, but from a consulting company i heard& > :    there is an OPS version for VMS > L >   AFAIK, Oracle Parallel Server (at least 8.1.6) is available for OpenVMS.  F     It also appears to be included in the 8.1.7 kit. I've not actuallyI tried to install it as we don't have a license for OPS, but I see nothing * to suggest it's been withdrawn from 8.1.7.  U     This sounds like it may be the classic confusion Oracle folks ( and others ) seemhQ to have between what's available on VAX and what's available on VMS. Oracle 8i iss6 not available on VAX but works quite nicely on Alphas.  9     Perhaps it's time to get some new Oracle salesdroids?E   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 18:06:22 -0500f1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e/ Subject: Re: Oracle Parallel Server on OpenVMS?a' Message-ID: <3AF87BEE.FB531DFE@fsi.net>u   Hoff Hoffman wrote:i > i > In article <3af86554$0$21056$62ce1842@SSP1NO55>, "Robert Schmoelzer" <robert.schmoelzer@aon.at> writes:  > A > :We are currently evaluating a solution for a high availabilitye8 > :database solution which should run on a GS80 cluster. > .. > :-RDB on OpenVMS...l > % >   Oracle Rdb performance screams...   E ...when properly tuned, when OpenVMS is properly tuned for Oracle and D gobs and gobs of memory are available. See the doc.s' for specifics.  & > :- Oracle Parallel Server on OpenVMS > :    is it available???j< > :    Oracle says no, but from a consulting company i heard& > :    there is an OPS version for VMS > L >   AFAIK, Oracle Parallel Server (at least 8.1.6) is available for OpenVMS.H >   (According to some text at Oracle.com, OPS was developed on OpenVMS.J >   Finding platform support documentation at the Oracle site is, however, >   rather entertaining.)d   Kinda like the 'q.com?   -- n David J. Dachteral dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 19:48:40 +01006 From: "Adrian Lumsden" <A.Lumsden@spam.trap.xdt.co.uk>" Subject: Re: OT: Pioneer 10 lives!& Message-ID: <LkXJ6.102$UT2.7043@wards>  H Actually, I think that you'll find that Strobe Data in Redmond lent themH an Osprey (the PDP-11 emulator on a PCI card) and some expertise and got@ the system running as was. No need to port anything to anything, couldn't have been easier!  
 with regards,g   Adrian   -- XDT Computer Systems Ltd.a Botcheston, UK    C "Jan Vorbrueggen" <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>t wrote in messageB news:y4ae4pl90g.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...H > They also mentioned (can't remember where I read it) that last summer, their-G > last PDP (no number) broke that was used for command generation. They  first D > had to port the code to a PC (can't have been easy...) before they could  > generate new commands. >u > Jan    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 21:58:15 GMT- From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>" Subject: Re: OT: Pioneer 10 lives!' Message-ID: <3AF86BCF.64399E7C@home.nl>m  L This is excellent news !! I Never thought I would see the day that something% good is coming out of Redmond !! :-))i   Adrian Lumsden wrote:s  J > Actually, I think that you'll find that Strobe Data in Redmond lent themJ > an Osprey (the PDP-11 emulator on a PCI card) and some expertise and gotB > the system running as was. No need to port anything to anything, > couldn't have been easier! >l > with regards,w >  > Adrian >v > -- > XDT Computer Systems Ltd.r > Botcheston, UK >iE > "Jan Vorbrueggen" <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>S > wrote in messageD > news:y4ae4pl90g.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...J > > They also mentioned (can't remember where I read it) that last summer, > theirOI > > last PDP (no number) broke that was used for command generation. TheyU > firstAF > > had to port the code to a PC (can't have been easy...) before they > coulde > > generate new commands. > >t > > Janf   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 12:36:30 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com3 Subject: Rambus bustedD Message-ID: <OF8812A134.838935D7-ON88256A46.006AFEA2@foundation.com>  J Before anyone claims this is off-topic, remember that upcoming Alpha chips* have integrated Rambus memory controllers.  K Apparently, the judge threw out all Rambus' charges against Infineon in thecI American SDRAM patent-infringement trial, and also chucked out Infineon's I antitrust counter suit. However, he's allowing Infineon's counter charges-D about fraud and racketeering to go to trial. Wow. The only remainingI charges are against the company that threw the first charges. Can you sayt "own goal", kiddies?  - http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20010507S0077e  I Not unexpectedly, Rambus are appealing on the 57 charges against InfineonmI that were thrown out. They're also continuing with a similar case against9 Infineon in Germany.   Shanet   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 15:31:30 +1000- From: "Dick Adams" <adams.dick.rc@bhp.com.au>w! Subject: Re: SYSMAN and SMISERVERc4 Message-ID: <9dakrg$3i2$1@gossamer.itmel.bhp.com.au>  I Thanks Brian but I'm afraid the online docs are not able to enlighten me.   ! To rephrase my original question.3I I don't understand why SYSMAN commands work to all the nodes which do notf: have SMISERVER running (and aren't in cluster) except one?   Some more information.J When I SET ENVIRONMENT /NODE=(node1,...) it prompts me for the password toI use on remote nodes, I can sign on to all the nodes using the same useridyI and password. When I issue a command such as DO SHOW TIME, it executes onoA all nodes until it get to the one in question, it then fails withr  = "SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node"u  L On the target node the accounting records show a login failure with a useridG of ILLEGAL and final status text of "%LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user"h  I This is not actually causing me a problem as I can start up SMISERVER andOG everything works as expected, but, why is one node different to all thed others?o   Dick    H Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:009FBB15.9C16F2C3@SendSpamHere.ORG...C > In article <9d81k9$bp4$1@gossamer.itmel.bhp.com.au>, "Dick Adams"h" <adams.dick.rc@bhp.com.au> writes:
 > >Hi all,K > >        I look after several Alphas running OpenVMS 6.2, they are not ine auH > >cluster. When I use SYSMAN to manage them all at once I have one node thatJ > >requires SMISERVER to be running but the others do not? When I read theC > >documentation (7.21 doco) it says that to use SYSMAN you requireS	 SMISERVER 6 > >yet it's works without it on all nodes except one?? > >1= > >Can anyone shed some light on this apparent contradiction?- > >- > >TIA > >    Dicke >eJ > In a cluster, the SMISERVER is started automatically and SYSMAN commandsJ > referencing other nodes in the cluster are effected via cluster communi-I > cations and the SMISERVER.  SYSMAN can also target nodes outside of thee? > cluster.  In this case, the comminication is done via DECnet.  >dG > Read the SYSTEM HELP text for SET ENVIRONMENT for a few more details.  >d > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >cK > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named afteri them.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 18:42:05 -0000h2 From: gvanepps@lolth.gankish.net (Graham Van Epps)# Subject: TCP/IP printing on vms 7.1o7 Message-ID: <slrn9fgf3k.g84.gvanepps@lolth.gankish.net>e   hello everyone;T4 after skimming this ng and reading the faq, i gather2 that i am supposed to use lprsetup to configure my/ alpha to print over tcp/ip to an hp laserjet 4.    two questions/problems: A 1. when logged in as system, there is no lprsetup in the ucx dir.=5    running lprsetup returns a command not found errorAD 2. i ran it on a tru64 box to see what to expect and it had no optioD    for the laserjet 4.  should i just choose remote or postscript...  E also, could i just copy a bsd printcap file over and install it on myC> vms system?  docs seem to imply that they use the same syntax.   any help would be awesome. thanks.d     -- Y+ -------------------------------------------  Graham Van Epps  gvanepps@gankish.net  ' "Oh, to live like an animal, to have nof*  posessions, to tumble in the hay with the(  ugliest, dirtiest tram girl, and to be   able to be happy with that!"i 			--Zola/Germinal   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 14:58:56 -0400-# From: ken.s.robinson@exxonmobil.coma' Subject: Re: TCP/IP printing on vms 7.1 @ Message-ID: <OF21B67963.6271BA72-ON85256A46.0067AE7D@na.xom.com>   > hello everyone; 6 > after skimming this ng and reading the faq, i gather4 > that i am supposed to use lprsetup to configure my1 > alpha to print over tcp/ip to an hp laserjet 4.h >: > two questions/problems:SC > 1. when logged in as system, there is no lprsetup in the ucx dir.-7 >    running lprsetup returns a command not found error   F The command is in the sys$system directory. Access it by either typing  E "run sys$system:ucx$lprsetup" or "mc ucx$lprsetup" at the "$" prompt.s! (Note: replace the UCX with TCPIPo  if you are running V5 or higher)  F > 2. i ran it on a tru64 box to see what to expect and it had no optioF >    for the laserjet 4.  should i just choose remote or postscript...E Yes, the LPR subsystem doesn't know what it is sending the output to.     G > also, could i just copy a bsd printcap file over and install it on my-@ > vms system?  docs seem to imply that they use the same syntax.  B You probably could, but then UCX might not know that it's there...  H As an alternative, you could look into the layered product DCPS or using the TELNET print symbiont.     Ken Robinson ken.s.robinson@exxonmobil.com.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 19:03:05 GMTb2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)' Subject: Re: TCP/IP printing on vms 7.1 / Message-ID: <JpXJ6.17$fi2.760@news.cpqcorp.net>u  l In article <slrn9fgf3k.g84.gvanepps@lolth.gankish.net>, gvanepps@lolth.gankish.net (Graham Van Epps) writes:  D   When posting, please include the OpenVMS VAX or Alpha system, the B   version (V7.1 in this case), and the version(s) of the relevent 7   products (the TCP/IP Services version, in this case).-  H   In this case and on any system running OpenVMS V7.1 or later, I would E   strongly recommend TCP/IP Services V5.0A with ECO or (better) V5.1 s   with ECO.o  5 :after skimming this ng and reading the faq, i gather 3 :that i am supposed to use lprsetup to configure my!0 :alpha to print over tcp/ip to an hp laserjet 4.  F   Please read the TCP/IP Services manual, and please also read throughF   the OpenVMS Ask The Wizard (ATW) topic (1020).  ATW also has variousF   discussions of "blank pages" and disabling the printer banner, againA   please see ATW topic (1020) -- these are two of the more commonrA   questions that arise after you get the LPR/LPD stuff working...    :two questions/problems:B :1. when logged in as system, there is no lprsetup in the ucx dir.6 :   running lprsetup returns a command not found error  E   I do not mean this to be rude but, had you read the TCP/IP ServicesaE   management manual, you would have known to look in sys$system: for tD   this tool.  Depending on the version of TCP/IP Services, the file Q   will be named UCX$LPRSETUP.EXE (on versions prior to V5) or TCPIP$LPRSETUP.EXE e   (on V5 and later).  E :2. i ran it on a tru64 box to see what to expect and it had no optiomE :   for the laserjet 4.  should i just choose remote or postscript...o  D   There is no official support for this or various other printers inC   TCP/IP Services, but more than a few folks have configured TCP/IPnD   Services for use with HP LaserJet 4 series printers.  The ATW areaF   has a few discussions, most will also point you at ATW topic (1020).  F :also, could i just copy a bsd printcap file over and install it on my? :vms system?  docs seem to imply that they use the same syntax.e  J   I would tend to create the entry directly, based on the TCP/IP Services F   documentation -- I could easily see some minor or subtle variations >   between the other printcap file and the one used on OpenVMS.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 8 May 2001 19:05:33 GMTw) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)4' Subject: Re: TCP/IP printing on vms 7.1r' Message-ID: <9d9g1t$emt$1@joe.rice.edu>l  3 Graham Van Epps (gvanepps@lolth.gankish.net) wrote:  : hello everyone;o6 : after skimming this ng and reading the faq, i gather4 : that i am supposed to use lprsetup to configure my1 : alpha to print over tcp/ip to an hp laserjet 4.c   : two questions/problems: C : 1. when logged in as system, there is no lprsetup in the ucx dir.t7 :    running lprsetup returns a command not found errorr   Try:       $ MCR SYS$SYSTEM:UCX$LPRSETUP  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 21:45:58 GMT1 From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants' Message-ID: <3AF86910.6936F72F@home.nl>s  
 Hi Andrew,  & In principle I totally agree with you.  M Although I personally prefer the beauty and elegance of VMS over any Unix, iteM does not mean that I hope that Tru64 will disappear, far from it. AFAIK Tru64iL is one of the best Unix variants around (no wonder with so much VMS creepingM in :-)  ), and I'm sure there are many situations where Unix is more suitableiK than VMS. On the other hand if you need a rock solid multi-purpose computer-K system where all kind of different applications can run at the same time, Id  think VMS is much better suited.  N At the moment Compaq has two pillars supporting the Alpha processor, and theseM are Tru64 and VMS. In future they will be joined by Himalaya. The more stable"N any of these pillars is, the better for Alpha. So if revenues from Tru64 wouldM decline, without increased revenues from VMS and Himalya, that would be a bad. thing.  N My point is that Compaq foresaw this happening, and that revenues from low endI Unix applications will leak away from Tru64 to Linux. So Compaq sought to F compensate this by revitalizing VMS, apart from the fact that many VMS( customers begged them to go on with VMS.  M You will agree with me I hope that the server division of Compaq is much lessvI vulnerable if they have three high quality operating systems to suite theeN demands of any kind of customer. If any of these operating systems would get aN bad period, the others may compensate for this and keep R & D on a high level,9 thus securing the future of Alpha processors and systems.-   Regards,   Dirk   andrew harrison wrote:  / > Any decline in Tru64 sales or market share is 0 > potentially very bad news for OpenVMS. This is/ > because Tru64/OpenVMS pool R&D expenditure in0/ > a a number of areas. Most key obviously beingu- > Alpha and Alpha Servers with some pooled SWl/ > R&D as well. The same applies for things like@ > break and fix service etc. ><1 > Any long term reduction in Tru64's revenues and@0 > profitability will effect the shared R&D spend! > that Tru64 and OpenVMS rely on.4 >S/ > There is also an obvious sales issue as well.o >t1 > The kind of sales skills required to sell Tru64l2 > are also applicable to OpenVMS. They are however1 > very different to the commodity sell associated 3 > with Compaqs Wintel boxes. Any reduction in Tru64s/ > revenues will have a direct impact on Compaqs 2 > sales force which will in turn reduce the number. > of people in Compaq who actually know what a > datacenter looks like. > $ > This is not good news for OpenVMS. >  > Dirk Munk wrote: >lJ > > "AltaVista switched OS for its primary website to Linux on March 29th,L > > forsaking its previous owner's Compaq Tru64 (nee Digital UNIX) OS. Tru64J > > lost its other major reference website Amazon to Linux last September,L > > and prior to that Lycos switched to Windows last July. This leaves Tru64L > > with the Internet Movie Database, an Amazon acquisition, and the Vatican# > > as its most prominent websites.c > >nF > > Compaq itself used Tru64 from August 2000 to February 2001 for theK > > www.compaq.com front-end web server, but then reverted back to Windows.rB > > www.digital.com still stands by Tru64, but simply redirects to > > www.compaq.com.O > >SJ > > The life-signs of the proprietary Unix brands, other than Solaris, areJ > > not good in our Web Server Survey. Is the end of most proprietary Unix > > flavours nigh?"r > > K > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------d > >sJ > > I suspect Compaq's VMS renaissance was partly started because in theirI > > long term vision they saw the bottom would be falling out of the UnixnL > > market. Only if someone will need the extra possibilities or reliabilityK > > of a high end Unix in future, he/she will opt for something like Tru64. J > > All the others will go for the almost free Linux variant of Unix. ThisE > > leaves the producer of the hardware in the cold, because he can'taL > > develop new hardware and get the costs partly repaid by selling the O.S.I > > Instead he has to develop Linux stuff for his beautiful new hardware,t > > and give it away for free. > >cK > > Since there is no free variant of VMS, this part of the market is quite J > > save as long as Compaq can convince existing customers no to change toL > > Unix/Linux, and get new customers of course. The only thing they have toL > > for this is to make VMS so good, rich in features, scalable and cheap inK > > running costs that a well calculating customer will opt for VMS insteada > > of Unix/Linux. >e > -- > Andrew Harrisond > Enterprise IT Architecto   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 02:14:27 GMTa) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton)A< Subject: VAX Just Stops - Not the Usual Suspects - follow up1 Message-ID: <3af8a4ed.539963997@news.wcc.govt.nz>4   Thanks for all the responses.tE Alas, my News Server connection has been a bit wayward so I've missed1 a few days.    FYI at this point....r   Here's the update.C In the same cabinet as the MV3100 that was stopping are a couple ofvD other decommissioned MV3100s. Both had a similar product set. Should? have been more observent, but I found that one of them was alsoi1 stopping at the same time as my troublesome node.e  A Okay... found that the one that was not stopping was not startinghC TCPIP, had 5.1 installed but INTSTKPAGES was too low. Sysgenned and  started TCPIP. P1 At the next "stoppage" all three MV3100s stopped.t  E Okay, on one of the test boxes, downgraded TCPIP from 5.1 to 5.0 (not.B 5.0A). At the next stoppage the 5.0A box carried on, the other two stopped.  @ So, seems to be a TCPIP 5.1 issue. I have TCPIP 5.1 running on aA couple of VAX4000s, so far not a missed beat from them. The threeDB MV3100s are not cluster but have a similar UAF file, i.e. probablyF copied at some point. So, I've now upped the System Account parametersD to the same as the System Account on the VAX4000s on one of the test+ boxes and I'm now awaiting the next outage.   C I have forced a Crash Dump, not enough of an expert to diagnose it,g% but I have logged a call with Compaq.d  C Again, I'll post an update as this might deter people from going tohC TCPIP 5.1 on aging VAXes. If it is a quota problem it's odd that itoC hits three systems at the same time. So, I can only think it's someuC kind of Network Event that's triggering some odd behaviour. The VAXtF 4000s are also on the same Network. Main differenced is that they have- FDDI and Ethernet, MV3100s are just Ethernet.h   Rob.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 15:03:17 +1000 ) From: Hang Sit Chan <hs.chan@Unsw.edu.au>a Subject: vax/vms hobbyistr+ Message-ID: <3AF8CF95.5CBAFBC6@Unsw.edu.au>    Hi, F Is there any chance / anywhere that I could download a current copy of VAX/VMS distribution?.; Just want to upgrade my vax/vms 7.0  on my vaxstation 3100.O Thanks..   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 17:04:58 -0700s+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com>s, Subject: VMS 7.2 BACKUP damaging system disk' Message-ID: <3AF889AA.7758C4E@mmaz.com>b  G I have done on-line VMS backups of systems disks for years prior to VMSiH 7.2 and I just found out that with VMS 7.2, backup does an excellent jobE of hosing your system disk backup;  It seems that it manages to break  the system alias directories.i  H I've tested backing up on-line disk to disk (with and without the /ALIASC and with the /NOALIAS) and the target disk is not bootable yet if I7F perform the exact same backup command, as seen below, under standalone backup, it boots just fine.n  E The vanilla backup command that I have used in all four cases, excepte with the /ALIAS variations is:  4     BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=NOBACK $45$DKA400 $145$DIA0:  E This is obviously of great concern because it calls into question thenD validity of our system backups...  Does anyone know the story behind" this and if it has been addressed?   Regards,   Barryt   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOd  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028V   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 22:42:14 -0400h2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)0 Subject: Re: VMS 7.2 BACKUP damaging system diskL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0805012242140001@user-2ivebcs.dialup.mindspring.com>  ; In article <3AF889AA.7758C4E@mmaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr."t <treahy@mmaz.com> wrote:  I > I have done on-line VMS backups of systems disks for years prior to VMSmJ > 7.2 and I just found out that with VMS 7.2, backup does an excellent jobG > of hosing your system disk backup;  It seems that it manages to break  > the system alias directories.u > J > I've tested backing up on-line disk to disk (with and without the /ALIASE > and with the /NOALIAS) and the target disk is not bootable yet if I H > perform the exact same backup command, as seen below, under standalone > backup, it boots just fine.S > G > The vanilla backup command that I have used in all four cases, exceptA  > with the /ALIAS variations is: > 6 >     BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=NOBACK $45$DKA400 $145$DIA0: > G > This is obviously of great concern because it calls into question themF > validity of our system backups...  Does anyone know the story behind$ > this and if it has been addressed?  G I recently did quite a lot of testing of /IMAGE and incremental backupsu> and restores on VMS 7.1-2 (alpha) and VMS 7.2 (VAX).  The onlyJ combinations that did NOT make good copies were documented in the manuals.  J I settled on /NOALIAS for both image and incremental backups and restores,G since it gave clearly correct results and eliminated a lot of redundantr IOs.  F It is possible I missed some peculiar directory or alias configurationJ that would have uncovered an error, but I think I tested everything that's& likely to appear on a VMS system disk.  F I did the tests with some DCL procedures that create, backup, restore,J etc. a number of VMS disks.  I used the DECram RAM disk product, which letD me whiz through lots of configurations quickly.  (At least on alpha;I creating RAM disks seems peculiarly slow on VAX.)  If you want me to send0E the DCL stuff, I can, though it would need some reconfiguring to work  without RAM disks.  I The tests I did convinced me that Backup is working correctly these days,  for the versions I tested.     Questions about your situation:a  C Are you backing up a live system disk?  I wouldn't expect a perfecttD backup, and a restored "live" backup might need some manual labor to> render it bootable.  I haven't dealt with this in any detail. C "Standalone" backups are best for system disks, whether done with aaA bootable CD, a minimal VMS booted from another device, or classics standalone backup on VAX.o  G Are you certain your system disk directory/alias structures are correctvI before the backup?  Backup/restore in some old versions of VMS would give G you a disk with the aliases mixed up.  Keep doing this, and mix in some-I VMS upgrades, and you can get a very weird disk.  You might be uncovering % some damage that was caused long ago.n  I What exactly are the symptoms you are seeing?  Maybe you should post some 8 sample DIR/FILE output from before and after the backup.  % Are you up to date with your patches?    -- u Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.como   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 01:38:47 GMT-+ From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org>n( Subject: VMS 7.3 docs on OpenVMS webite?< Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0105081837100.1566-100000@jaipur>  G When are the VMS 7.3 docs going to show up on the OpenVMS documentationhJ website (http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/index.html)?  It would be niceI to start reading the Release Notes and New Features manuals before we geto our hardcopies.r   -Ryanh   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 13:05:30 -05001 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> N Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.com doesn't display correctly in VMS Navigator8 Message-ID: <9d9chg$hfp$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  C Thanks Warren for the detailed reply.  And keep up the good work !!r   Dave...s  = "Warren Sander" <sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com> wrote in messageg( news:DmWJ6.7$fi2.460@news.cpqcorp.net... >p >  >  >nL > The web server is configured correctly. I didn't get the mime type updatedH > on the external server. I did get it on my internal copy and I DO TEST EVERY SINGLEG > PAGE ON THE SERVER WITH NETSCAPE 3.03B with Java. I don't use the vax  > version anymore. >iI > I don't know where the 'microsoft' comment came from. The server is and- has-I > been Purveyor for OpenVMS for over 5 years. It is running on an OpenVMSa system.n >aG > In fact there is NO 'microsoft' type product being used by me for webJ management,6 > creation or anything else. >eG > I use EDT and/or TPU to edit my pages. I have for 5 years and while I( mightVJ > be moving to newer technology over the summer I still plain to make sure
 everything > works with Netscape 3.03b. >aJ > And also fyi.. On a monthly average the web site gets around 4.5 million hitsK > per month. Of those hits, more than 3 million come from IE type browsers, L > and 800,000 from netscape type browers (the rest are various other browers > including Opera, Mosaic etc. > G > Of the 800,000 hits from netscape 3.x versions are about 60,000 hits.u >oJ > That's less than 10% of the Netscape hits and 1.5% of the total hits for the  > month. >rK > There's lots of things that we can't do on the site in order to make sure) thatG > 3.03b continues to work. This is for the OpenVMS site only not all ofi compaq.com.r >nH > I added in the new survey in order to try to get some OpenVMS customer voicesF > into the folks in Houston. I didn't make up the survey and have very littleL > input into it but I felt it was better to have you all have the ability to giveI > some feedback and represent the OpenVMS customer base to the compaq.coms folksrI > rather than not do anything at all. Yes the survey JS etc were made forh
 and testedK > only on IIS type servers and IE browers. I had to make a couple of tweaksS toJ > make Purveyor spit the file out correctly (one of which was the .js mime type). >S >P	 > -warreno >57 > In article <3AF82191.373BD9AC@videotron.ca>, JF Mezeio& <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > |>David Mathog wrote:uL > |>> using the Navigator 3.03 program on VMS.  And it popped up a file saveE > |>> window for a file called "survey83.js". Javascript was enabled.l > |>K > |>Their web server is not configured properly. It serves javascript files  as the2 > |>microsoft "catch all meaningless" mime type of "application/octet-stream"J > |>which means that internet compliant browsers who rely on the mime type do not" > |>know what to do that that URL. > |> > |>The Netscape manual state: > |>##K > |>External JavaScript files should have the file name suffix .js, and thee server > |>must mapG > |>the .js suffix to the MIME type application/x-javascript, which theo server sends > |>back in the HTTP header. > |>## > |>J > |>So, another example of a web site where the web master only has access toF > |>microsoft junk and therefore cannot veryfy compliant with internet
 standards. > |>F > |>Web servers should be programmed to warn the web master whenever aL > |>"application/octet-stream" document is being served since very little of. > |>internet documents require that mime type. > |> >e > --D > ------------------------------------------------------------------8 > Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingF > Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comG > 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.com 5 > Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875w7 >    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myselfe. >          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/D > ------------------------------------------------------------------ >E >C >P >T >  >- >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 14:33:24 -0400-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>rN Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.com doesn't display correctly in VMS Navigator, Message-ID: <3AF83BF1.774BC933@videotron.ca>   Warren Sander wrote:M > I don't know where the 'microsoft' comment came from. The server is and hasnQ > been Purveyor for OpenVMS for over 5 years. It is running on an OpenVMS system.a  J "application/octet-stream" is a common mistake in many web servers becauseI those who test it use MS explorer (which doesn't do much with mime types,tN prefering to use the extension of a filename in a URL to decide how to display the contents).  M Another mistake that seems to become more and more common are sites that use e* href="JavaScript:<javascript"  (inquotes).  L Tags are uppercase sensitive when in quotes, but not when outside of quotes.Y Netscape on the MAC doesn't like "JavaScript" when it is in quotes, it wants "javascript"   K > per month. Of those hits, more than 3 million come from IE type browsers,lL > and 800,000 from netscape type browers (the rest are various other browers > including Opera, Mosaic etc.  N This can be a dangerous satistic. If you design a site that is designed to runM on Microsoft Explorer on screens of a certain size and disable scrolling barsnK (as some sites have done), your statistics will show that you have very few M users with different platforms for the simple reason that those users give uph! on the web site and never return.e  P > There's lots of things that we can't do on the site in order to make sure thatS > 3.03b continues to work. This is for the OpenVMS site only not all of compaq.com.   I It isn't a question of ensuring that one specific version works,. It is asL question of ensuring thet the web server is configured to properly serve all  the types of files that you use.  K Flash is another technology that was often implemented in web sites without 8 ensuring that the web server would serve those properly.  M > into the folks in Houston. I didn't make up the survey and have very littleTQ > input into it but I felt it was better to have you all have the ability to give J > some feedback and represent the OpenVMS customer base to the compaq.com   L Had this not been brought up here, I would have never known that there was aM survey as Netscape on a MAC said nothing. I had to look at the source code torK see a reference to survey83.js (or some other number) and then proceeded todH use kermit to generate a HTTP transaction and get the response from your- server (indicating application/octet-stream).q   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 18:03:49 -0500a1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>.N Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.com doesn't display correctly in VMS Navigator' Message-ID: <3AF87B55.8604C48C@fsi.net>e   Warren Sander wrote: > [snip]O > I added in the new survey in order to try to get some OpenVMS customer voicessM > into the folks in Houston. I didn't make up the survey and have very littleoQ > input into it but I felt it was better to have you all have the ability to give O > some feedback and represent the OpenVMS customer base to the compaq.com folks T > rather than not do anything at all. Yes the survey JS etc were made for and testedN > only on IIS type servers and IE browers. I had to make a couple of tweaks toQ > make Purveyor spit the file out correctly (one of which was the .js mime type).q  B I tried IE 4.0, SP1 and Netscape V4.61. Don't see anything about a- survey. The page may require further testing.v   -- e David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systemsx http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 21:12:59 -0400e. From: warren sander <warren.sander@compaq.com>N Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.com doesn't display correctly in VMS Navigator* Message-ID: <3AF8999B.9E797365@compaq.com>  T the survey only comes out 1 out 20 page loads. Just hit refresh and it will come up. Also if you answered theV old survey you have a cookie that won't survey you again and/or if you said you didn't want the survey the cookie won't bring up the survey.   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:   > Warren Sander wrote:
 > > [snip]Q > > I added in the new survey in order to try to get some OpenVMS customer voicesnO > > into the folks in Houston. I didn't make up the survey and have very littlemS > > input into it but I felt it was better to have you all have the ability to giveeQ > > some feedback and represent the OpenVMS customer base to the compaq.com folks:V > > rather than not do anything at all. Yes the survey JS etc were made for and testedP > > only on IIS type servers and IE browers. I had to make a couple of tweaks toS > > make Purveyor spit the file out correctly (one of which was the .js mime type).a >sD > I tried IE 4.0, SP1 and Netscape V4.61. Don't see anything about a/ > survey. The page may require further testing.s >o > -- > David J. Dachterae > dba DJE Systems3 > http://www.djesys.com/ >u< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  >eH > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. >hB > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.x   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.258 ************************