1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 10 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 261       Contents: Re: 7.2-2 availability Re: 7.2-2 availability! Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA) ! Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA) ! Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA) ! Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA) ! Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA) ) Re: Conference: CETS-2001 - Conference CD ) Re: Conference: CETS-2001 - Conference CD ) Re: Conference: CETS-2001 - Conference CD ) Re: Conference: CETS-2001 - Conference CD ) Re: Conference: CETS-2001 - Conference CD & Re: Cross Platform B/W VMS and WINDOWS Re: Disk re-organisation Re: Disk re-organisation- Re: email lists interesting to OpenVMS users? - Re: email lists interesting to OpenVMS users?  Re: FYI: Bug in VMS indent* Re: How to repair corrupted ACCOUNTNG.DAT?* Re: How to repair corrupted ACCOUNTNG.DAT?1 Re: IBM announces MQSeries V5.1 for OpenVMS/Alpha 1 Re: IBM announces MQSeries V5.1 for OpenVMS/Alpha 1 Re: IBM announces MQSeries V5.1 for OpenVMS/Alpha 1 RE: IBM announces MQSeries V5.1 for OpenVMS/Alpha ' mail sending in DCL - returned  mail... + Re: mail sending in DCL - returned  mail... + Re: mail sending in DCL - returned  mail... + Re: mail sending in DCL - returned  mail... + Re: mail sending in DCL - returned  mail... + Re: mail sending in DCL - returned  mail... + Re: mail sending in DCL - returned  mail... 2 Re: mounting 2 disk with the same label in cluster Mozilla 0.9 , Re: Mystery of the misreported graphics card Re: OpenVMS with NetBeans 3.2  Re: OpenVMS with NetBeans 3.2 & Re: Oracle Parallel Server on OpenVMS? Re: Pathworks for VMS 5.52: Re: pathworks problem how do I start the netlogon service? Re: Pioneer 10 lives!  Re: Pioneer 10 lives!  Re: Print Accounting Re: Processor Affinity Re: Processor Affinity Re: Processor Affinity Re: Processor Affinity Re: Processor Affinity Re: Processor Affinity% Re: Some more bits looking for a home  Re: Sue Was: MQSeries stuff " SUMMARY RE: XEROX document centers Re: SYSMAN and SMISERVER Re: TCP/IP printing on vms 7.1/ Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants / Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants / Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants / Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants / Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants / Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants / Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants  Unsupported File Structure?  Re: Unsupported File Structure?  Re: Unsupported File Structure?  Re: Unsupported File Structure?  Re: Unsupported File Structure?  Re: Unsupported File Structure?  Re: Unsupported File Structure? ' Re: VMS 7.2 BACKUP damaging system disk # Re: VMS 7.3 docs on OpenVMS webite? # Re: VMS 7.3 docs on OpenVMS webite? # RE: VMS 7.3 docs on OpenVMS webite?  VMS NFS mounts on UNIX- Re: What is the best way to erase SCSI disks? - Re: What is the best way to erase SCSI disks? - RE: What is the best way to erase SCSI disks? - Re: What is the best way to erase SCSI disks? - RE: What is the best way to erase SCSI disks?  XEROX document centers7 [DCL] maxreclen symbol (was: DCL minute of the evening) # Re: [FUN] DCL minute of the evening # Re: [FUN] DCL minute of the evening # Re: [FUN] DCL minute of the evening # Re: [FUN] DCL minute of the evening # Re: [FUN] DCL minute of the evening   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:08:01 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>  Subject: Re: 7.2-2 availability 2 Message-ID: <3AFAA0C3.9A3BAB58@clarityconnect.com>  F You will be fine on older hardware.  V7.2-1H1 also has a bit more thanD V7.2-1 in some features like RMS and needs less patches than V7.2-1.   "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > < > Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote:K > > Lots of people here will recommend 7.2-1 as being much better than 7.2. K > > There are no such reports of field experience with 7.2-2.  If I were in , > > your position, I would upgrade to 7.2-1. > G > I tried to order the 7.2-1 update last week.  It's now only available > > internally, however, I was able to order the 7.2-1H1 update. > N > How different from 7.2-1 is 7.2-1H1?  I know there is support for additionalK > hardware in -1H1.  I'm hoping there is no problem trying to install it on  > older hardware.  >  >                         Zane   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:04:27 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: 7.2-2 availability 1 Message-ID: <vSzK6.100$fi2.2587@news.cpqcorp.net>   j In article <6KjK6.620$7O2.17522@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:; :Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote: J :> Lots of people here will recommend 7.2-1 as being much better than 7.2.J :> There are no such reports of field experience with 7.2-2.  If I were in+ :> your position, I would upgrade to 7.2-1.  : F :I tried to order the 7.2-1 update last week. It's now only available  :internally,...   B   By "update", I will assume you mean V7.2-2 and not the availableB   UPDATE kit for V7.2-1 (V1 is available, V2 is in test).  V7.2-2 B   is presently in test here in OpenVMS, and has NOT been released.  2 : however, I was able to order the 7.2-1H1 update.  B   This is a hardware release for the AlphaServer GS-class systems.  M :How different from 7.2-1 is 7.2-1H1?  I know there is support for additional J :hardware in -1H1.  I'm hoping there is no problem trying to install it on :older hardware.  H   There should not be problems with other hardware, but the testing and H   support targets specific platforms -- hardware releases are a special E   order for a reason, they do not tend to be of interest for general  F   users, only those folks that have specific configurations.  The nextH   general roll-up of support and ECOs and such -- for V7.2 -- is V7.2-2.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  / Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:11:38 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>* Subject: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)6 Message-ID: <200105100607.IAA10622@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  H the problem is not to get a workstation under OpenVMS. That's right. TheE problem is to get a lowcost workstation, such as the Sun Blade 100 or H other vendors workstations. This should cost (OS included) not more thenF 2.500,00DM (the most people would buy a workstation for homework up toC this price). The ability to get a workstation for that price, would  push the whole OpenVMS sales.    Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:07:21 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br * Subject: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)L Message-ID: <OFEF52BC26.90EB5115-ON03256A48.003CCE42@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H The company I am working for have more than 200 Sun/Silicon workstations running 0 cientific applications and none running OpenVMS.  I Of course there are about 70 small Alpha Server (ex. AS 800) running VXL,  but these machines  are not considered workstations.   Regards    FC        7 Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> em 10/05/2001 03:11:38   2 Favor responder a Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       * Assunto: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)     Hello,  H the problem is not to get a workstation under OpenVMS. That's right. TheE problem is to get a lowcost workstation, such as the Sun Blade 100 or H other vendors workstations. This should cost (OS included) not more thenF 2.500,00DM (the most people would buy a workstation for homework up toC this price). The ability to get a workstation for that price, would  push the whole OpenVMS sales.    Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:36:47 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> * Subject: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)* Message-ID: <3AFA7D4F.47BE99C1@virgin.net>  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  J > The company I am working for have more than 200 Sun/Silicon workstations	 > running 2 > cientific applications and none running OpenVMS. >   J And the company I work for has around 1000 hi spec HP workstations runningE Unigraphics under HP-UX. Thirteen years ago (with another employer) I K replaced some HP-UX CAD systems with VMS systems running Unigraphics. A few K years after that DEC advised McDonnel Douglas (then owners of UG - it's now J EDS) that they should move away from VMS towards Unix. EDS dropped supportJ for Tru-64 last year. So DEC went from the preferred platform for UG to noK platform for UG in just ten years. As I've said before I recall a member of M UG engineering (and VMS fan) virtually in tears at DEC's advice to them which J he knew would play straight into the claws of Sun and HP but DEC would not listen.   K At least some of the MicroVAX physical designs were done in UG under VMS at J one time. Don't know if Compaq still use UG or some other CAD tool. Anyone know?      > K > Of course there are about 70 small Alpha Server (ex. AS 800) running VXL,  > but these machines" > are not considered workstations. > 	 > Regards  >  > FC > 9 > Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> em 10/05/2001 03:11:38  > 4 > Favor responder a Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> >  >       Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > , > Assunto: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA) >  > Hello, > J > the problem is not to get a workstation under OpenVMS. That's right. TheG > problem is to get a lowcost workstation, such as the Sun Blade 100 or J > other vendors workstations. This should cost (OS included) not more thenH > 2.500,00DM (the most people would buy a workstation for homework up toE > this price). The ability to get a workstation for that price, would  > push the whole OpenVMS sales.  >  > Regards Rudolf Wingert   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:43:06 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> * Subject: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)) Message-ID: <3AFAC51A.32556721@bbc.co.uk>    Rudolf Wingert wrote:    > Hello, > J > the problem is not to get a workstation under OpenVMS. That's right. TheG > problem is to get a lowcost workstation, such as the Sun Blade 100 or J > other vendors workstations. This should cost (OS included) not more thenH > 2.500,00DM (the most people would buy a workstation for homework up toE > this price). The ability to get a workstation for that price, would  > push the whole OpenVMS sales.  >   K So, go to IslandCo, they are doing it. Not this years model, but then again J the Sun Blade 100 isn't exactly bleeding edge technology from what I hear,   some things have been changing.      > Regards Rudolf Wingert   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2001 13:49:57 -05007 From: hamilton@encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) * Subject: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)3 Message-ID: <d6dRM08T51zm@eisner.encompasserve.org>    Folks,  M Got my PWSau433 from them - works like a champ!  Much better than a SunBleed.   C Not bleeding edge, but cutting those SETI workunits at a fine clip:   = http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_60676.html  (look for entry Brad-COYOTE)   --Brad  Z >In article <3AFAC51A.32556721@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes: >  >  > Rudolf Wingert wrote:  > 	 >> Hello,  >>K >> the problem is not to get a workstation under OpenVMS. That's right. The H >> problem is to get a lowcost workstation, such as the Sun Blade 100 orK >> other vendors workstations. This should cost (OS included) not more then I >> 2.500,00DM (the most people would buy a workstation for homework up to F >> this price). The ability to get a workstation for that price, would  >> push the whole OpenVMS sales. >> > M > So, go to IslandCo, they are doing it. Not this years model, but then again L > the Sun Blade 100 isn't exactly bleeding edge technology from what I hear, > ! > some things have been changing.  >  >  >> Regards Rudolf Wingert  >  > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  > C > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  > MedAS or the BBC.  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 02:06:04 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)2 Subject: Re: Conference: CETS-2001 - Conference CDL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1005010206040001@user-2iveaek.dialup.mindspring.com>  3 In article <Vg0reJIf4HVg@eisner.encompasserve.org>, : Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:    @ > Furthermore, with paper there need be no quarrel over formats.  = Well, there's American size paper, and European size paper...    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:15:50 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 2 Subject: Re: Conference: CETS-2001 - Conference CD' Message-ID: <3AFA9486.ECCB8F84@fsi.net>    Jeff Killeen wrote:  > N > > Paper handouts allow for immediate notetaking without worrying about power
 > > problems.  > H > For 2002 would you be willing to pay an extra $50-75 for a paper copy?  > I personally ate $300+ dollars for the handouts to my Fall '99 presentations.   FWIW...   G I now have the capacity to produce them myself for less than 10 percent < of that, despite a financially disasterous recent 18 months.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:28:28 -0500 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> 2 Subject: Re: Conference: CETS-2001 - Conference CD8 Message-ID: <9de51u$a8k$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  I I gotta agree with Andy here.  And yes I'll gladly pay the charge for the  paper handouts. D Hard to scratch notes on a CD.  Easy on paper.  I also notice peopleK scrambling for close to the wall seats in hopes of finding an outlet during @ presentations.  They are often disappointed when none are found.  J Seems like most laptops can't be used w/o power for more than a few hours.K With sessions running all day, this doesn't add up.  Paper and pencil still  wins this race.    Dave...   A "Andy Bustamante" <A_C_Bustamante@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:PthK6.2648$Ak7.257433@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Just to stir things up:  > L > Just how many people feel the need to carry laptops around?  My departmentL > shares one for travel (PowerTerm & e-mail) but I've never felt the need to3 > lug it out of the hotel room and around the show.  > L > Paper handouts allow for immediate notetaking without worrying about powerI > problems.  If you want to service laptop users, how about network drops  withK > a DHCP server and an intranet web site (or read-only shared folder) where  > presentations can be staged. > I > Dstributing current presentations should be the priority, waiting a few ) > weeks for CD has never been a hardship.  >  > -- > Andy Bustamante  > Remove the ASCII 95s to reply 1 > Jeff Killeen <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote in messageM2 > news:yV9K6.311$372.382868@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net... >. >  >i/ > > This is an FYI to all potential speakers...k > >oH > > This year the conference CD with the session notes will be publishedK > > >>>BEFORE<<< the conference.  That means there will be a requirement toA > haveF > > your session materials submitted about mid August if you want them > published L > > on the CD.  Any materials supplied after that point in time will only be > > available via the web site.0 > >oF > > The primary goal here is to insure attendees with laptops have theI > > presentations.  The secondary goal is to insure all presentations areeL > > available to attendees via the web right after the session is presented. > > >  > >o > >i >o >p   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:20:14 -0500o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>o2 Subject: Re: Conference: CETS-2001 - Conference CD' Message-ID: <3AFA958E.6DACA76C@fsi.net>E   > [snip]H > PowerPoint itself provides for HTML output (well, HTML and either .GIFI > or .JPG). Extra effort required to accomodate this should be minimal or G > non-existant. All servers and browsers (except Lynx) on all platformsa) > support both HTML and .GIF/.JPG, AFAIK.    Case in point:  " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  6 Static HTML, no special server-side software required.   --   David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemsy http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l  H This may have been posted to an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain# bias in postings is to be expected.e  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2001 10:33:31 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)E2 Subject: Re: Conference: CETS-2001 - Conference CD3 Message-ID: <9DM7+I4iEM18@eisner.encompasserve.org>n   In article <rdeininger-1005010206040001@user-2iveaek.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:n5 > In article <Vg0reJIf4HVg@eisner.encompasserve.org>,t< > Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: >  > A >> Furthermore, with paper there need be no quarrel over formats.u > ? > Well, there's American size paper, and European size paper...p  % And I have both loaded in my printer.i  ' But either will fit in my file cabinet.u   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2001 10:31:30 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)o/ Subject: Re: Cross Platform B/W VMS and WINDOWSM3 Message-ID: <B$XtE0E8Aia0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <9dd7ka$7us$1@proxy.fe.internet.bosch.com>, "Prashanth" <Prashanth.SN@in.bosch.com> writes:J > I have to develop an application Which interfaces b/w the VMS server and > Windows workstation,M > can any one tell me as to how to start with it, i have thought about ClientD > Server technology(N > but how is that i have to handle on the VMS server for servicing the windows > client requests,+ > 1. Will the OS service my cleint requests G > 2. Will the Ansi C compliers work there or i am not very clear pleasen > suggest something.# > 3. Should i use TCP/IP or Telnet.-M >   the services i want to do the server may be compiling and linking and one" > more thingM >  if i open a file from the VMS  machine, how should i format it here on the8 > windows so as to > view it properly.o  , What do you mean by the abbreviation "b/w" ?  ? The closest I can think of would be "black and white", but thatV seems an unlikely meaning.  F As for communicating between VMS and Windows, consider COM for OpenVMS1 (and the corresponding piece on the Windows end).    ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:28:35 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>! Subject: Re: Disk re-organisation2J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101520000.25037-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  ( On Wed, 9 May 2001, Patrick Keogh wrote:   >+Martin Vorlaender wrote: [...] . >+Merging QUOTA.SYS is fairly straightforward., >+The file format is a standard indexed file  
  Minor .02$$:o Directory DISK$USER:[000000]/                      File   .---- Record ----. kA  . . . . . . . . . .org. form.   size   attrib.                  c5 QUOTA.SYS;1          SEQ  FIX   32/32                C   Total of 1 file. $   - it is sequential file :)a6  I am unsure, if is sorted (like b.ex. directory file) or not.   
 >+ you can4 >+read and write two QUOTA.SYS files, even from DCL.  8  Agree with rest except the "indexed" words somewhere :)   [...]12 >+Sorry I don't have access to a VMS system, [...]  :  Probably short code for the DISKQUOTA listing may be more9 readable. We are not known if Kenneth has even a interestn with disk quotas :)w    Regards - Gotfryd   -- eE =====================================================================uF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME2. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================w   ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:34:58 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>! Subject: Re: Disk re-organisationlJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101528500.25037-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  # On Wed, 9 May 2001, Alphaman wrote:- [...]yK >+If they are using physical device names (e.g., $2$DKA300:) instead, theira >+programs _will_ break.     To be precise: what wrong with:  : $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC the_old_phyname the_new_phy_or_rooted    -;)  8  Probably only the Davids point of "][" in non-automatic? translaton can be a problem... but probably not wide problem :)    [...] ) >+Been there, done that, successfully :^)t    -:)    Regards - Gotfryd   -- oE =====================================================================sF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEt. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:33:29 +0200-= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>l6 Subject: Re: email lists interesting to OpenVMS users?( Message-ID: <3AFA4449.109700A@gtech.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:tJ >   I am looking to add a section containing various available email listsI >   that may be of interest to OpenVMS users into the next edition of thet >   OpenVMS FAQ. > L >   I have addresses of some email lists (list servers) for various interestI >   areas of OpenVMS users (eg: OSU webserver, vmsperl, purveyor, OpenVMSiD >   ECO kit notifications), and have heard of other lists (eg: Rdb). > I >   Please post or email pointers to lists, and I will add them.  Thanks!t  D I try to keep http://www.levitte.org/~ava/vms_forum.htmlx uptodate !   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:55:26 GMTm- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley):6 Subject: Re: email lists interesting to OpenVMS users?1 Message-ID: <3afac7d7.165729586@news.process.com>m  B On Thu, 10 May 2001 09:33:29 +0200, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:p   >tE >I try to keep http://www.levitte.org/~ava/vms_forum.htmlx uptodate !p >SB Hi, Arne.  The lists you have @WKUVX1.WKU.EDU have all been moved.A Please update your file to reference the addresses in my reply too Hoff's post.   Thanks!0   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/n9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/n   ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2001 09:56:09 GMT- From: "Phil Tregoning" <ptregoni@esoc.esa.de>e# Subject: Re: FYI: Bug in VMS indentSA Message-ID: <01c0d934$f8ea3800$4b53b083@ptregoni.dev.esoc.esa.de>i  = Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in articleo' <2SdK6.54$fi2.1954@news.cpqcorp.net>....I > In article <01c0d881$cba14ae0$4b53b083@ptregoni.dev.esoc.esa.de>, "Phile) Tregoning" <ptregoni@esoc.esa.de> writes:- > 9 > :I've been playing with Indent, a C and C++ source code 8 > :formatter that's on the freeware disk and come across
 > :a feature.s > - >   The freeware V5 version, I will assume.  r  ? Both Indent 2.2.5 on the V4 Freeware CD and Indent 2.2.6 on thep% V5 Freeware CD have the same problem.    > C >   Please send along an updated kit, and I will add it to the nextn release. >   5 The version on the Freeware CDs is a straight copy ofH GNU Indent from:  1   http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/indent/index.htmlt  : The GNU version includes the VMS specific build files etc. It is maintained by Carlo Wood.   A Hopefully I can get this change incorporated into the GNU source.G3 If and when I do, I will send along an updated kit.S   Phil T   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:39:01 +0000 (UTC)a' From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)s3 Subject: Re: How to repair corrupted ACCOUNTNG.DAT? + Message-ID: <9ddr45$48f$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>e  V In article <3AFA2C0C.DDB2D959@ui.urban.org>, Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org> writes: >b >D >John Laird wrote: >>  D >> On Wed, 9 May 2001 13:59:03 +0000 (UTC), david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk >> (D.Webb) wrote: >> nZ >> >In article <3AF8D628.778D2512@ui.urban.org>, Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org> writes:I >> >>A crude hack that has worked for me before went something like this:h >> >> # >> >>$ open /read bad accountng.bad & >> >>$ open /write good accountng.good
 >> >>$ again:n) >> >>$ read /error=again /end=eof bad rece >> >>$ write good rect >> >>$ goto again  >> >>$ eof:n >> >>$ close bad >> >>$ close goodR >> >>aH >> >>You lose data right around the corrupted spot, but at least you get >> >>records after it. >> >>' >> > >> >Why notb >> >6 >> >ACCOUNT/BINARY/OUT=NEWACCOUNTNG.DAT  ACCOUNTNG.DAT >>  K >> All of these approaches will recover data up to the point of corruption. H >> To expect RMS to continue and somehow "resynchronise" with the actualJ >> record structure later on, is asking for a minor miracle.  More likely,K >> any application will throw up at the huge "record" encountered, and from G >> then on will be interpreting garbage and good data as equal garbage. I >> You might luckily "land" on the start of a real record further on, buta= >> at the risk of skipping large amounts of recoverable data.u >fD >Then minor miracles happen. More than once, I've seen valid recordsA >recovered _after_ the bad spot using the DCL read/write approachsC >outlined above. I rarely run across bad accounting files, but IIRCtC >that DCL read/write approach has recovered additional records each G >time I've used it. There is indeed loss of data in the neighborhood ofeF >the corrupted spot, as I mentioned. Whether the loss is more than can. >be afforded is a site-specific judgment call. >d   Same experience with the ,  2 ACCOUNT/BINARY/OUT=NEWACCOUNTNG.DAT  ACCOUNTNG.DAT   method.e    You get lots of messages like :-  B %ACC-E-READERR, error reading DATADISK:[ACCOUNTING]ACCOUNTNG.DAT;1C -ACC-W-INVACCREC, record 1155260 has invalid or unrecognized formath  lJ However after traversing the bad records it then recovers and writes valid% records to the newaccountng.dat file.o  N I admit I've never fully investigated the bad records to confirm that it might& not be possible to recover a bit more.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:27:34 +0100@4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>3 Subject: Re: How to repair corrupted ACCOUNTNG.DAT? 8 Message-ID: <nt1lftse14eudsnu62a51tjprls5cd6944@4ax.com>  B On Thu, 10 May 2001 10:39:01 +0000 (UTC), david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) wrote:m  W >In article <3AFA2C0C.DDB2D959@ui.urban.org>, Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org> writes:m >> >> >>John Laird wrote:. >>> L >>> All of these approaches will recover data up to the point of corruption.I >>> To expect RMS to continue and somehow "resynchronise" with the actualiK >>> record structure later on, is asking for a minor miracle.  More likely,sL >>> any application will throw up at the huge "record" encountered, and fromH >>> then on will be interpreting garbage and good data as equal garbage.J >>> You might luckily "land" on the start of a real record further on, but> >>> at the risk of skipping large amounts of recoverable data. >>E >>Then minor miracles happen. More than once, I've seen valid recordslB >>recovered _after_ the bad spot using the DCL read/write approachD >>outlined above. I rarely run across bad accounting files, but IIRCD >>that DCL read/write approach has recovered additional records eachH >>time I've used it. There is indeed loss of data in the neighborhood ofG >>the corrupted spot, as I mentioned. Whether the loss is more than cano/ >>be afforded is a site-specific judgment call.  >> >  >Same experience with the  > 3 >ACCOUNT/BINARY/OUT=NEWACCOUNTNG.DAT  ACCOUNTNG.DATi >r >method. >o! >You get lots of messages like :-C >eC >%ACC-E-READERR, error reading DATADISK:[ACCOUNTING]ACCOUNTNG.DAT;14D >-ACC-W-INVACCREC, record 1155260 has invalid or unrecognized format > K >However after traversing the bad records it then recovers and writes validr& >records to the newaccountng.dat file.  F Chalk one up to the ACCOUNTING utility author then - the chances of itH happening automagically with simple reads are slim (around 1% per randomA "read", if the max record length of my home file at ~120 bytes is0	 typical).0     	JohnD -- J
 John Laird Yezerski Roper Ltd   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:34:29 +01009  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com: Subject: Re: IBM announces MQSeries V5.1 for OpenVMS/AlphaH Message-ID: <OF28F585C3.E469C30B-ON80256A48.003F4798@qedi.quintiles.com>  H I've not yet met Sue but I sure would like to.  Is there anybody else inG VMS Marketing besides Sue and Warren?  Between them they do a brilliant  job.H If only the entire Compaq marketing divisions were made up with the same? quality of people.  Sun and the others wouldn't stand a chance. J Keep up the great work guys.  Hopefully I'll be able to meet you both soon to thank you in person.P   Steve.   Shane F Smith wrote: >>>yI Hiring Sue is arguably the best thing VMS marketing ever did. She's theiri greatest asset, no question. <<<    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:28:27 +0100e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>o: Subject: Re: IBM announces MQSeries V5.1 for OpenVMS/Alpha* Message-ID: <3AFA896B.BCE4321C@virgin.net>  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:  K > Hiring Sue is arguably the best thing VMS marketing ever did. She's theire > greatest asset, no question. >i  P And I was looking forward to meeting Sue in London next week but I've heard thatN she will no longer be in attendance. Strange bit of penny pinching it seems to" me - which I assume is the reason.  O If Compaq cutbacks bite much deeper we'll be presenting to ourselves next week.i7 Is Rich Marcello still scheduled to attend anyone know?  --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:21:18 -0400u2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>: Subject: Re: IBM announces MQSeries V5.1 for OpenVMS/Alpha0 Message-ID: <0BwK6.90$fi2.2420@news.cpqcorp.net>   Dear Newsgroup,.  G Thank you so much for all your kind words, you are making me blush (not K really but it sounding good).   Since I really love VMS and would volunteer - (most days) to do my job it feels undeserved.t  L There is a group of marketing people all focused on different areas and I amK just one of them, and I  think that you will being some additional positivet changes.  L Warren is great and is a privilege to work with.  If it can be done (with in% corporate guidelines, he will do it).e  L And a point of clarification.  Rich was never going to come to the Technical Update in London.s  
 Warm Regards,b   Suer    - <steven.reece@quintiles.com> wrote in messageeB news:OF28F585C3.E469C30B-ON80256A48.003F4798@qedi.quintiles.com... >  >lJ > I've not yet met Sue but I sure would like to.  Is there anybody else inI > VMS Marketing besides Sue and Warren?  Between them they do a brilliantt > job.J > If only the entire Compaq marketing divisions were made up with the sameA > quality of people.  Sun and the others wouldn't stand a chance.lL > Keep up the great work guys.  Hopefully I'll be able to meet you both soon > to thank you in person.  >l > Steve. >n > Shane F Smith wrote: > >>>dK > Hiring Sue is arguably the best thing VMS marketing ever did. She's theiro > greatest asset, no question. > <<<e >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:16:47 -0500i+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>o: Subject: RE: IBM announces MQSeries V5.1 for OpenVMS/AlphaL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1E2C@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: Sue Skonetski [mailto:susan.skonetski@compaq.com]:  ? > Thank you so much for all your kind words, you are making me 7 > blush (not> > really but it sounding good).   Since I really love VMS and  > would volunteerF/ > (most days) to do my job it feels undeserved.     ^^^^^^^^^  5 Just thought I'd point out that she's also honest. :)x   Regards,   Christ  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer. Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");t 'e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:01:49 +0200.- From: "Jaan Kronberg" <jaan.kronberg@mail.ee> 0 Subject: mail sending in DCL - returned  mail...4 Message-ID: <3afa6711$0$229$ba624cac@news.uninet.ee>  
 Hello All,  , A little description of what I'd like to do.  I In some .com file I want to define, that if any error occurs program willeI send me e-mail about that with some descriptions.. Actually, those errorsdH does not happen often and that's why I don't like to check 10 logs everyJ morning - much easier is to make program inform me that something is wrong (logics, huh? ;) ).T   So, code looks like that -   $on error goto some_errorc $! here comes some codet $exitd $some_error: $rcpt = "someone @ somedomain" $subj = "somesubject"n% $err_text_file = "someplace_somefile"r- $mail/subj="''subj'" 'err_text_file "''rcpt'"p $exit.  9 I receive "returned mail" with text something like that -     ' ---- Transcript of session follows ----e  @ 550 %TCPIP-E-SMTP_NOSUCHUSER, no such user, someone @ somedomain  % ---- Recipients of this delivery ----    someone @ somedomain (bounced)    ---- Unsent message follows ----  / Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:36:04 +0300 (EET_DST)a  # Message-Id: <message ID @ mydomain>i   From: mysuseranme @ mydomain   To: someone @ somedomain   Subject: blah_test   X-VMS-To: someone @ somedomain  L So, it looks like that. Then a little bit about domains and nodes.. So, whenI I send email to someone @ somedomain from node1 (like mail/subj="test....tE etc) then it's ok. If I do the same thing from node2 - then it fails.dI mydomain actually looks like node2.mydomain... I do submit this .com fromtG node1 (where it should be ok) and mydomain on return-message looks likea node2.mydomain..  : Hope that all doesn't look too silly, I'm just a newbie ;) Thx, j.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:54:41 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <didier.morandi@ubs.com> 4 Subject: Re: mail sending in DCL - returned  mail...& Message-ID: <3AFA8F91.4DA887D@ubs.com>   Jaan Kronberg wrote: >  > So, code looks like that - > ../..S  I Please post exact (extract of) source procedure and returned mail message M together with platform details (VAX/Alpha, VMS version, TCP/IP version, etc.)   % Anyway, here is a (working) solution:t   FPT280> set verk FPT280> @err.com $! trigger the error handler  $ on error then goto ERR_HANDLER $! safe symbol value $ delete="delete" M $! delete previous file(s) because a write to existing sys$error APPENDS data89 $ if f$search("err.temp") .nes. "" then delete err.temp;*d) $! define resulting file in case or errorn $ define sys$error err.tempNK $! force an error (TOTO:: doesn't exist). Error is also sent to sys$output.  $ open/read ch toto::tata.txtn5 %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening TOTO::TATA.TXT; as inputl" -RMS-E-ACC, ACP file access failed, -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
 $ERR_HANDLER:KO $! save VMS error status, updated by any further DCL verb (but some exceptions). $ status=$status $ deassign sys$error $! create destination field 3 $ define dest$ "morandi@fpt280.flur.zuerich.ubs.ch"l! $! send mail. The actual line is:a/ $! mail/subj="''f$mess(status)'" err.temp dest$y? $ mail/subj="%RMS-E-ACC, ACP file access failed" err.temp dest$lP New mail on node FPT280 from FPT301::MORANDI      "Didier Morandi 079-705.46.70"  (14:47:48)r $ exit FPT280> mail You have 1 new message.  MAIL> P     #1          10-MAY-2001 14:47:48.13                                  NEWMAIL< From:   FPT301::MORANDI       "Didier Morandi 079-705.46.70"
 To:     DEST$- CC:     MORANDI=* Subj:   %RMS-E-ACC, ACP file access failed  5 %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening TOTO::TATA.TXT; as inputG" -RMS-E-ACC, ACP file access failed, -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown   MAIL>  Exit  FPT280>=   D. ---=  O PS to USB security: some internal use only data have been changed in this text.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:16:49 GMT,8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)4 Subject: Re: mail sending in DCL - returned  mail...0 Message-ID: <5xwK6.89$fi2.2424@news.cpqcorp.net>  d In article <3afa6711$0$229$ba624cac@news.uninet.ee>, "Jaan Kronberg" <jaan.kronberg@mail.ee> writes: >Hello All,r >a- >A little description of what I'd like to do.w >:J >In some .com file I want to define, that if any error occurs program willJ >send me e-mail about that with some descriptions.. Actually, those errorsI >does not happen often and that's why I don't like to check 10 logs everytK >morning - much easier is to make program inform me that something is wrong= >(logics, huh? ;) ). >= >So, code looks like that -  >N >$on error goto some_error >$! here comes some code >$exit
 >$some_error:C >$rcpt = "someone @ somedomain"  >$subj = "somesubject"& >$err_text_file = "someplace_somefile". >$mail/subj="''subj'" 'err_text_file "''rcpt'" ..  C Well, for starters, you can't have spaces before and after the "@".e& i.e., it must be "someone@somedomain".  D This makes it hard to understand how you are getting what you claim.A On my system, spaces before and after the "@" causes these errors " when I attempt to send the message  C     %MAIL-E-PARSEFAIL, error parsing hammond @ peek.ppb.cpqcorp.netV@     -LIB-F-SYNTAXERR, string syntax error detected by LIB$TPARSE3     Do you want to send anyway (Y/N, default is N)?o-     %TCPIP-E-SMTP_ABORT, SMTP session aborted(     G Assuming that the spaces were inserted when posting -- can successfully ? send mail to this address from the command line, interactively?l" Maybe you just have a bad address?     -- nK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:46:34 +0200o= From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@contrastmediagroep.nl>54 Subject: Re: mail sending in DCL - returned  mail...5 Message-ID: <3AFA9BBA.24F40BD4@contrastmediagroep.nl>m   Jaan Kronberg wrote:    > $rcpt = "someone @ somedomain"  E If the 'somedomain' is not fully qualified but only contains the hostaF name, mail tries to 'help' you by rewriting it to host::user, and then# uses mail-11 and decnet to deliver./  A In order to change this you have to use "smtp%someone@somedomain"/   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:05:04 +0200n- From: "Jaan Kronberg" <jaan.kronberg@mail.ee>u4 Subject: Re: mail sending in DCL - returned  mail...4 Message-ID: <3afaae24$0$234$ba624cac@news.uninet.ee>   Re,a  H Actally, probably I have missed something because actual problem was notB about sending e-mail, it was a problem of sending e-mail from .comG procedure. That means, I can send e-mail to some address while doing itaL using standard mail/subj="..." filename.txt "recipient" - but _just the same7 thing_ fails when I try to do it from .com procedure...a   j.  L p.s. platform is alpha openvms 7.2-1H1; how to check what is TCP/IP version?I (sorry, probably there is no such group as comp.os.vms.lamer so I have ton ask it here ;) )      : "Didier Morandi" <didier.morandi@ubs.com> wrote in message  news:3AFA8F91.4DA887D@ubs.com... > Jaan Kronberg wrote: > >  > > So, code looks like that -	 > > ../..x >mK > Please post exact (extract of) source procedure and returned mail messageaI > together with platform details (VAX/Alpha, VMS version, TCP/IP version,h etc.)o >e' > Anyway, here is a (working) solution:n >d > FPT280> set verT > FPT280> @err.com > $! trigger the error handler" > $ on error then goto ERR_HANDLER > $! safe symbol value > $ delete="delete":J > $! delete previous file(s) because a write to existing sys$error APPENDS data; > $ if f$search("err.temp") .nes. "" then delete err.temp;*B+ > $! define resulting file in case or error  > $ define sys$error err.temp A > $! force an error (TOTO:: doesn't exist). Error is also sent to( sys$output.: > $ open/read ch toto::tata.txt77 > %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening TOTO::TATA.TXT; as inputw$ > -RMS-E-ACC, ACP file access failed. > -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown > $ERR_HANDLER: E > $! save VMS error status, updated by any further DCL verb (but some$ exceptions)> > $ status=$status > $ deassign sys$error > $! create destination field 5 > $ define dest$ "morandi@fpt280.flur.zuerich.ubs.ch"o# > $! send mail. The actual line is:a1 > $! mail/subj="''f$mess(status)'" err.temp dest$>A > $ mail/subj="%RMS-E-ACC, ACP file access failed" err.temp dest$IC > New mail on node FPT280 from FPT301::MORANDI      "Didier Morandia 079-705.46.70"
 >  (14:47:48)e > $ exit > FPT280> mail > You have 1 new message.a > MAIL>w) >     #1          10-MAY-2001 14:47:48.13  NEWMAIL > > From:   FPT301::MORANDI       "Didier Morandi 079-705.46.70" > To:     DEST$h > CC:     MORANDI", > Subj:   %RMS-E-ACC, ACP file access failed >e7 > %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening TOTO::TATA.TXT; as input>$ > -RMS-E-ACC, ACP file access failed. > -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown >o
 > MAIL>  Exite	 > FPT280>  >o > D. > ---u >fK > PS to USB security: some internal use only data have been changed in thisv text.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:07:59 +0200r- From: "Jaan Kronberg" <jaan.kronberg@mail.ee> 4 Subject: Re: mail sending in DCL - returned  mail...4 Message-ID: <3afaaed3$0$237$ba624cac@news.uninet.ee>   Re,a  E > Well, for starters, you can't have spaces before and after the "@".t( > i.e., it must be "someone@somedomain". >iF > This makes it hard to understand how you are getting what you claim.C > On my system, spaces before and after the "@" causes these errorss$ > when I attempt to send the message >rE >     %MAIL-E-PARSEFAIL, error parsing hammond @ peek.ppb.cpqcorp.netoB >     -LIB-F-SYNTAXERR, string syntax error detected by LIB$TPARSE5 >     Do you want to send anyway (Y/N, default is N)?l/ >     %TCPIP-E-SMTP_ABORT, SMTP session abortedd > I > Assuming that the spaces were inserted when posting -- can successfully A > send mail to this address from the command line, interactively? $ > Maybe you just have a bad address?  H I just hate outlook... Spaces were inserted just because outlook removesF dashes (") from text, if it thinks I'm talking about e-mail address...  L Address is not bad - I can easily send e-mail to that address while doing it interactively...   j.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:01:09 -0400 - From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> 4 Subject: Re: mail sending in DCL - returned  mail...- Message-ID: <3AFAD765.C20E746C@bellsouth.net>o   Oswald Knoppers wrote:   > Jaan Kronberg wrote: > " > > $rcpt = "someone @ somedomain" >oG > If the 'somedomain' is not fully qualified but only contains the hostiH > name, mail tries to 'help' you by rewriting it to host::user, and then% > uses mail-11 and decnet to deliver.r > C > In order to change this you have to use "smtp%someone@somedomain"g >    Acutally the best method is: $create err.txta error is ... $subject = "some subject"  $mail/subj="''subject'"  smtp%"someone@somedomain"> or @somedistribuition.dis  C Now to really confuse you, if your distribution list is opened in apE command procedure where each name is sent individually, then the smptr= syntax is:  smtp%"""someone@somedomain.com""" otherwise it isa: smtp%"someone@somedomain.com" given the following example.     $! some code here... $subj = "somesubj" $create file.txt put some text here
 and more heree $h  $! now send to distribution list $open/read ifile x.dis $loop: $on error then goto loop $read/end=end ifile recA$ $mail /subj="''subj'" file.txt 'rec'
 $goto loop $end:m $close ifile  I This method is useful if you have people using a VMS MAIL forward that is:I invalid which returns an error on the mail command and everyone after the 4 offending mail address does not receive the message.   Michael Austin! DBA Consultant  - Now available..r   >s
 > Regards, >u > Oswald   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2001 12:28:50 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e; Subject: Re: mounting 2 disk with the same label in cluster 3 Message-ID: <UB8G6IXvUL3H@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <3AF81AA7.6DAFE0FD@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>, Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> writes: 	 > Hi all,2 > G > I would like to mount on two members of my cluster two disks with theeF > same label, one on each member. However if I try to mount the second > one I get the message>C >  %MOUNT-F-VOLALRMNT, another volume of same label already mountedeJ > Is there any possibility to overcome this problem on OpenVMS-alpha 7.2-1 > without changing the labels? >   B It is possible to hack VMS (aka patch) to do this.  I once had twoF systems with just these patches.  I wouldn't recommended it to anyone.  E The system was put together under VMS 2 (one simple patch), and laterPH I had to rework the patches for VMS 4 (several patches).  At least they < were VAXen so we had a supported PATCH utility to hack with.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationc= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupDE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2001 17:54:03 +0100O From: pmoreau@dev.ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40)i Subject: Mozilla 0.9  Message-ID: <XDrCwv+vY1pX@sable>  I For your info, Mozilla 0.9 is available at www.openvms.compaq.com server w  H Performance seems better than 0.81 (and the disk cache can now be used).   Patrick  --O ===============================================================================-O pmoreau@cena.dgac.fr  (CENA)     ______      ___   _           (Patrick MOREAU) 4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:51:24 GMTm( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>5 Subject: Re: Mystery of the misreported graphics carde' Message-ID: <GD4Mpo.IGx@spcuna.spc.edu>w  ) Carl Perkins <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> writes: B > It has two oscilators labeled as being 130.808MHz and 74.369MHz.C > Based on that, I am assuming that it is a PMAGB-BC. It has a parteC > number of "50-21142-01 D1" on it, which I can not locate anywhereoF > useful, just some archived SPAM that list for sale a DEC 3000 systemB > with a "50-21142-01" graphics card (but doesn't identify it withD > a PMAGB-Bx type name). On the exterior, near the "PMAGB-B" text isD > some fine print that says "36-36966-01.A01", which does not appear$ > in any usefull context on the web.  E   The 50-series number is a part number for a bare (no parts) printedoE circuit board. To get a useful module number, change 50 to 54 and add:B 1 to the middle number. In your case, that gives you "54-21143-01". which comes up as a "FLAMINGO CXTURBO MODULE".  A   Your 36-class bracket is a component and won't show up anywhere , except on a manufacturing bill of materials.  C   The 54-class part number comes up as a "PMAGB-B HX 8-plane Turbo-V	 Channel".e  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAr   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:01:50 +0200c: From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS with NetBeans 3.2- Message-ID: <3AFA58FE.45664FD2@volkswagen.de>   [ But the 500 MHz requirement or the 667 MHz recommendation should be taken seriously, I have I tried an Alphaserver 5/300 with 512MB memory, and this an absloute no-go.e   Christof Brass wrote:n >  > Sue Skonetski wrote: > >(K > > Folks I just got this and thought I would pass it on.  The URL works on-# > > Netscape and Internet explorer.a > >1 > > sue  > >. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NetBeans' > > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:49 PMiK > > To: Java-Interest; NetBeans OVMS Intrst; NetBeans OVMS; OpenVMS Systems  > > Software Group1 > > Subject: Announcing NetBeans 3.2 for OpenVMS!t > >i> > > Java Development Comes of Age on OpenVMS with NetBeans 3.2F > > Now you can develop Java applications on and for OpenVMS using theN > > open-source leader in integrated GUI development. This is your opportunityI > > to get in at the beginning of a new phase of OpenVMS's evolution as a O > > leading-edge eBusiness platform. Although NetBeans is currently exclusivelydH > > a Java IDE, development is underway to extend the languages NetBeans: > > supports to C, C++, Fortran, Cobol, Pascal, and Basic. > >jF > > By evaluating NetBeans, you can make a difference to the future ofI > > application development tools for OpenVMS. And, depending on what the M > > NetBeans for OpenVMS team hears back from you, the possibility exists foreG > > creating add-in modules with a variety of features that would be ofn8 > > particular value to the OpenVMS developer community. > > 1 > > Download NetBeans for OpenVMS Free of Charge!  > >m@ > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/ > = > Thanks! This is a major step forward since this open-sourcet? > "product" received several good comments in computer magazinsa > comparing IDE for Java.f   -- e  - mit freundlichen Gruessen | with best regardsI   Karl Rohwedder               -C iT-Ingenieurteam     | Ellernbruch 11       | D-38112 Braunschweig  A Telefon: 0531/515521 | Telefax: 0531/515531 | Mobil: 0172/5434843oE  E-Mail: rohwedder@decus.decus.de           | iT-IngTeam@t-online.de  +          karl.rohwedder@it-ingenieurteam.de. DATEX-P: 4505018005::ROHWEDDER   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:46:26 -0700m, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS with NetBeans 3.24 Message-ID: <9de9k7$i2lpc$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  L Sue, I downloaded this and tried to install it.  It complained that I didn't haveL the patch vms721_acrtl installed.  So I installed that and it complained theJ same thing again.  By the way kind of irritating to page through that huge7 license text just to have it mention lack of the patch.r  
 Any ideas?   Jimt  = "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in message!) news:wmXJ6.16$fi2.701@news.cpqcorp.net... I > Folks I just got this and thought I would pass it on.  The URL works one! > Netscape and Internet explorer.n >i > suea   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:00:02 -0400'2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>/ Subject: Re: Oracle Parallel Server on OpenVMS?e* Message-ID: <3AFA9EE2.77554BD6@oracle.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > _ > In article <3AF95F09.FB63997E@bellsouth.net>, Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> writes:f > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > >ol > >> In article <3af86554$0$21056$62ce1842@SSP1NO55>, "Robert Schmoelzer" <robert.schmoelzer@aon.at> writes: > >> > >> > -RDB on OpenVMS? > >> >     seems technically great but limited support by localm$ > >> >     Compaq and Oracle people; > = > >> It seems to me there is great support via the Oracle RdbF9 > >> mailing list maintained by JCC Systems, with lots of:/ > >> participation from savvy Oracle employees.e > >Ak > > not to mention the *available* consultants who specialize in Rdb and some of us can do ANY dba functionD6 > > sitting right here in our comfortable HOME office. > I > Far be it from me to downplay the usefulness of independent consultantseK > (who can probably be more honest about the differences between Oracle RdbSJ > and Oracle Classic).  The concern in the original post seemed to be thatL > nobody who worked for Oracle knew about Rdb.  With that concern addressed,K > it may very well be that assistance other than from Oracle might be quite4J > appropriate.  But I can understand how a question about support from theE > vendor might be the first question from someone (or their manager).4  # 	I can assure that there are plentya- of people within Oracle who know about Rdb.  b/ There are  certainly those who don't know much r/ about it or even are battling against it.  Mucho, like Compaq and VMS in some cases I'd wager./ It would seem that any large organization wouldm) have some amount of disconnect within it.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:37:18 -0400h3 From: "Brad McCusker" <Brad.McCuskerSP@Mcompaq.com> # Subject: Re: Pathworks for VMS 5.52r0 Message-ID: <3%wK6.92$fi2.2341@news.cpqcorp.net>  0 PATHWORKS V5.0F-ECO2 will run on VAX VMS V5.5-2.  G If you know who told you you had to upgrade to V7.1, send me their name . backchannel, and I'll be glad to educate them.     --( The opinions expressed herein are my own' and do not reflect those of my employero or anyone else.e   Brad; <robert.nospam.harrison@ch.nospam.abb.com> wrote in message $ news:9c486h$d8u$1@news.netmar.com... >uF > Does anyone know whether the current versions of Pathworks (or is it AdvancedK > Server now) will work with a system running VAX VMS 5.52 (eg DECnet Phasee > IV). >gK > I ran this past my local Q and they said simply upgrade to VMS 7.1 beforee it > will work. > L > Upgrading to 7.1 isn't an option I don't think; it's a legacy system which we > don't produce any more.s >i > Any help appreciated.n >t > Thanx, >n > Robn >cF >  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the	 eb  ----- H >   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupsK >    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts-< > made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.nete   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:36:53 -0400 3 From: "Brad McCusker" <Brad.McCuskerSP@Mcompaq.com>lC Subject: Re: pathworks problem how do I start the netlogon service?-0 Message-ID: <1%wK6.91$fi2.2332@news.cpqcorp.net>  L We would need to know more information, such as what role you are configured/ to be in (Primary, Backup, Member, Standalone).d  A Second, you really need to upgrade to the latest ECO, V5.0F-ECO2.t  F You should then look in the log files (PWRK$LMLOGS) and ADMIN/ANAL for errors.   K If you are part of another domain, can you communicate with the PDC in that L domain?  Can you ping its address, can you ping its NETBIOS name?  What kind of machine is the PDC?  D NetLogon is involved with some of the more complex parts of SMB file serving, so / we need to know a lot more about you situation.      --( The opinions expressed herein are my own' and do not reflect those of my employer- or anyone else.o   Brad  4 "WEEKAA" <verledentijd@hotmail.com> wrote in message$ news:9c3sv3$r4l$1@news1.xs4all.nl...$ > Hello I have the following problem >n, > I can't start or stop the netlogon service >f > What is going wrong here?? >m > VAXB>> pwshow L > VAX/VMS V5.5-2  on node VAXB  23-APR-2001 15:30:38.77   Uptime  2 19:50:07H >   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts > Ph.MemH > 23C00776 NETBIOS         HIB      4    20940   0 00:00:08.71       251 > 454 H > 23C00790 PWRK$ADMIN_0    LEF      5      124   0 00:00:01.76       300 > 351sH > 23C0077C PWRK$KNBDAEMON  HIB     10     5246   0 00:00:51.41       857 > 1801H > 23C0077F PWRK$LICENSE_R  HIB     11      112   0 00:00:02.01      1895 > 1084H > 23C00782 PWRK$LICENSE_S  HIB      6     1304   0 00:00:03.23      1867 > 971PH > 23C00796 PWRK$LMDMN      HIB     11      452   0 00:00:21.33      8216 > 2396H > 23C0028A PWRK$LMMCP      HIB     11    16219   0 00:02:58.03      3675 > 2220H > 23C00793 PWRK$LMSRV      HIB     11     7930   0 00:00:58.10     10802 > 9772H > 23C00287 PWRK$MASTER     HIB      6      527   0 00:00:11.55      1720 > 543eH > 23C0078D PWRK$MONITOR    HIB      6       65   0 00:02:04.41      3108 > 1500H > 23C00779 PWRK$NBDAEMON   HIB     10       34   0 00:00:00.28       319 > 538D > VAXB>> net accounts /syncT >T6 > NET2455:  The Netlogon service has not been started.7 > More help may be obtained by typing NET HELPMSG 2455.H > VAXB>> net start netlogon  >t( > NET2187:  The service control is busy.7 > More help may be obtained by typing NET HELPMSG 2187.e > VAXB>> pwver >eG > Information on PATHWORKS for OpenVMS images installed on this system:  >!L >           Image Name            Image Version      Link date        Linker > IDL > ------------------------------ ---------------- -----------------  ------- -- > ----J > PWRK$MASTER                    V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:41  05-13J > PWRK$NBDAEMON                  V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:58  05-13J > PWRK$KNBDAEMON                 V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:59  05-13J > PWRK$STREAMSOS_V5              V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:54  05-13J > PWRK$STREAMSOS_V6              V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:54  05-13J > NETBIOS                        V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:55  05-13J > NETBIOSSHR                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:56  05-13J > PWRK$LICENSE_SERVER            V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 21:08  05-13J > PWRK$LICENSE_LIBSHR            V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 21:07  05-13J > PWRK$LICENSE_REGISTRAR         V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 21:08  05-13J > PWRK$LMSRV                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 23:30  05-13J > PWRK$LMMCP                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 23:28  05-13J > PWRK$LMDMN                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 23:27  05-13J > PWRK$MONITOR                   V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 21:04  05-13J > PWRK$ADMIN                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 23:32  05-13 >n > What am I doing wrong. >e
 > Please helpI >- >S >I >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:32:25 -0500g1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>w Subject: Re: Pioneer 10 lives!8 Message-ID: <9dejbs$c79$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  3 To quote a famous fictional character:  fascinatingt   Dave...s  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message$ news:3AF48873.B1354D19@virgin.net... >uA > I received a number of emails regarding Pioneer 10 after it waseG > mentioned in a thread some time ago so I know some will be interestedlG > to know that it's not dead yet! After 8 months of silence Pioneer 10,mE > launched nearly 30 years ago, responded to an uplink (at almost one-G > light day round trip time) and DSS 63 (Madrid) locked on to the 16bpsh@ > signal at GMT 17:27:30, Saturday, 4/28/01. Since then NASA hasG > confirmed that it has regained the ability to command the spacecraft. $ > One science instrument remains on. >rF > http://spaceprojects.arc.nasa.gov/Space_Projects/pioneer/PNStat.html >   > Pioneer 10 distance from Sun :? > 77.72 AU Speed relative to the Sun: 12.24 km/sec (27,380 mph)t >  > Distance from Earth:F > 11.76 billion kilometers (7.30 billion miles) Round-trip Light Time: > 21 hours 47 minutesn >o > -- > Alan Greig >l >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:34:25 +0100t  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: Re: Pioneer 10 lives!H Message-ID: <OFD15230F7.82014B23-ON80256A48.00607B25@qedi.quintiles.com>  0 Now could this be the _real_ source of DSN link?0 Probably.  Digital were full of witty asides....  ! Dave Gudewicz quoted Alan Greig :e >>>  >iF > http://spaceprojects.arc.nasa.gov/Space_Projects/pioneer/PNStat.html >   > Pioneer 10 distance from Sun :? > 77.72 AU Speed relative to the Sun: 12.24 km/sec (27,380 mph)s <<<o   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:51:56 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Print Accountingd0 Message-ID: <MGzK6.98$fi2.2640@news.cpqcorp.net>  X In article <3AF9B270.2229528@vmmc.org>, Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> writes:  G :Is there any way to connect an Accounting file Print entry with eithere; :the name or (preferably) the batch-que entry number of the   :job which issued the Print cmd?  J   The accounting database and the security auditing database both contain $   this process ID (PID) information.  K   Batch queue entry numbers are and should be treated as opaque longwords, 6I   and the queue entry number values can (do) get recycled far more often m   than do the PID values.j  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2001 12:16:50 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>n Subject: Re: Processor AffinitysH Message-ID: <y41ypxjyp9.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ; Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:r  G > When the CPU is working on it there will be periodic clock interruptseG > for quantum end, and at that point a change in CPU might be possible.-D > It would be a Bad Idea(tm) in most cases, however, because the CPUF > cache and translation buffers are already set up for that process onG > the current CPU.  That is why in most cases you are better off to leteC > VMS move the process back and forth between CPUs based on what itaK > knows about the situation, rather than attempting to manually control it.,  N Apart from the class scheduler, there are also the CPU affinity settings which can be manipulated.i   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:06:34 +0100m* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Processor Affinity=, Message-ID: <9ddsp4$3tn2@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  ? "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> wrote in message_, news:4ddK6.1911$VX.126461@news.uswest.net...F > Under WinNT, a process can be switched between processors while it'sN > running.  Is this true under VMS 7.2-1?  If so, I need a source reference to > show my boss.   B The chapter on SMP in the programming concepts manual looks a good place to start: M  http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/5841/5841pro_012.html#smp_chapterp   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:33:30 -0400=2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> Subject: Re: Processor Affinity1* Message-ID: <3AFA8A9A.188FBD96@oracle.com>   "Michael D. Ober" wrote: > F > Under WinNT, a process can be switched between processors while it'sN > running.  Is this true under VMS 7.2-1?  If so, I need a source reference to > show my boss.s  1 	yes.  VMS can schedule a process to another CPU.a7 Of course, by default, it tries to keep the process on r8 the CPU where it last ran in order to take advantage of . the CPU's cache being built up by the process.2 	I'd suggest looking through the VMS Internals and Data Structures manual.    > --	 > Thanks,  > Mike Ober.   -- .> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:33:50 -0400t2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> Subject: Re: Processor Affinityo* Message-ID: <3AFA8AAE.7925BE04@oracle.com>   "Michael D. Ober" wrote: > F > Under WinNT, a process can be switched between processors while it'sN > running.  Is this true under VMS 7.2-1?  If so, I need a source reference to > show my boss.   1 	yes.  VMS can schedule a process to another CPU.i7 Of course, by default, it tries to keep the process on  8 the CPU where it last ran in order to take advantage of . the CPU's cache being built up by the process.2 	I'd suggest looking through the VMS Internals and Data Structures manual.e   > --	 > Thanks,1 > Mike Ober.   --  > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:30:17 -0600 4 From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> Subject: Re: Processor Affinity,2 Message-ID: <KJwK6.109$x86.106680@news.uswest.net>  I Thanks to all who answered.  Basically, my boss was using VMS prior to v3kJ and is of the mindset that VMS won't move a process to the other processorK on our Dual Alpha VMS 7.2-1 system once it's started.  The comparison to NT + in this case was for illustration purposes.B -- Thanks,t
 Mike Ober.  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messageN* news:NVfK6.64$fi2.2137@news.cpqcorp.net...F > In article <4ddK6.1911$VX.126461@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober"$ <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> writes:G > :Under WinNT, a process can be switched between processors while it'sOL > :running.  Is this true under VMS 7.2-1?  If so, I need a source reference > :to show my boss.  >oG >   This rescheduling feature was first available with ASMP (Asymmetric G >   Multiprocessing) in the (as it was then known) VAX/VMS V3.0 releaselE >   (1982).  This feature has subsequently been made available in allBE >   ASMP releases and in the ASMP replacement known as SMP (Symmetric E >   Multiprocessing) starting with the availability of SMP in the (as 3 >   it was then known) VAX/VMS V5.0 release (1988).e >dD >   Like most other operating systems, OpenVMS prefers to rescheduleE >   processes onto the same processor -- arbitrary process preemptionoC >   and rescheduling on another processor invalidates the processoreJ >   caches -- and OpenVMS also prefers to perform the process reschedulingI >   interrupts only when necessary -- if there are no candidate processes K >   that might preempt the process, why bother reschedulinging the process.e >vH >   We have subsequently enhanced scheduling in various areas, includingB >   the release of the class scheduler API (1993), and current andD >   on-going work on process operations in NUMA environments.  ThereD >   have been a number of other enhancements to scheduling, as well. >oG >   As for information sources, this is documented in the Internals andeF >   Data Structures Manual, and in the Special Processing EnvironmentsE >   Chapter (SMP) of the System Manager's Manual, specifically in the1D >   Understanding Multiprocessing section.  Also please see the URL: >  >jL http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/72final/6491/6491pro_004.html#openvms_sche dc >d > , >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------e1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering  hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >e   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2001 10:40:07 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Processor Affinitye3 Message-ID: <Ev3XgHu8ujpJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <y41ypxjyp9.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:= > Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:, > H >> When the CPU is working on it there will be periodic clock interruptsH >> for quantum end, and at that point a change in CPU might be possible.E >> It would be a Bad Idea(tm) in most cases, however, because the CPU9G >> cache and translation buffers are already set up for that process ontH >> the current CPU.  That is why in most cases you are better off to letD >> VMS move the process back and forth between CPUs based on what itL >> knows about the situation, rather than attempting to manually control it. > P > Apart from the class scheduler, there are also the CPU affinity settings which > can be manipulated.v  D My feeling is that for _most_ cases one is better off avoiding thoseB and letting VMS handle it automatically.  From the original post IB inferred that perhaps WNT requires more active intervention.  FromC the followup by the original poster, I see that it was just anotheroA case of management thinking "VMS can't do that", perhaps based onf4 how the VAX 11/782 ASMP support worked 20 years ago.   ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2001 12:14:16 GMT4 From: pino+alt_sys_pdp11@dohd.org (Martijn van Buul). Subject: Re: Some more bits looking for a home< Message-ID: <slrn9fl1kt.tr5.pino+alt_sys_pdp11@mud.stack.nl>  ; It occurred to me that Aidan Karley wrote in alt.sys.pdp11:pL > I've recently acquired a PDP-11 (details still unsure, but deeply nicotineI > stained), which I have a hankering to use as a firewall between my homeaG > network and the Internet (there's a weird sort of symmetry to that).    H I hope you're not too keen on bandwidth, and I hope that you don't want  any nifty things like NAT...  K "Only sheer insanity could prompt the use of 2.11BSD machines as gateways."z  5 I doubt if using a different OS really changes that..    -- -F     Martijn van Buul -  Pino@dohd.org - http://www.stack.nl/~martijnb/7 	 Geek code: G--  - Visit OuterSpace: mud.stack.nl 3333:H    Kees J. Bot: The sum of CPU power and user brain power is a constant.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2001 06:05:22 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)n$ Subject: Re: Sue Was: MQSeries stuff3 Message-ID: <Aoi5ZSTu54pF@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  h In article <OFD612FD9B.AB28719E-ON88256A47.0072A3B5@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes: > K > Hiring Sue is arguably the best thing VMS marketing ever did. She's their. > greatest asset, no question. >   M effusive adj 1: uttered with unrestrained enthusiasm; "a novel told in burblyaF panting tones" [syn: {burbling}, {burbly}, {gushing}] 2: extravagantly  demonstrative; 3: Sue Skonetski;  7 	Gotta give Webster's credit.... they know a good thingr 	when they see it!   				Robd   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:37:10 -0400 4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com>+ Subject: SUMMARY RE: XEROX document centersnJ Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D8508908C91@nts0147.beehive.com>  L MANY Thanks to fabio_compaq - his suggestion worked great.  I LOVE this list - answer in 5 minutesh  . Try to put a the cr line in the princap below.   WPOMZX340_76|wpomzx340_76:\ 4         :lf=/SYS$SPECIFIC/UCX_LPD/WPOMZX340_76.LOG:\         :lp=WPOMZX340_76:\         :ps=non_PS:\         :rm=WPOMZX340_76:\         :rp=lp:\
         :pa:\t0         :sd=/SYS$SPECIFIC/UCX_LPD/WPOMZX340_76:\            :cr:1  / Check the last line. Stop the queue and restart    Regardse   FC         > -----Original Message----- > From:	Bochnik, William J c > Sent:	May 10, 2001 11:08 AMe > To:	'Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com'e! > Subject:	XEROX document centers  > J > I know we're running some old o/s versions here, so please bear with me.L > Anyone have any luck printing to Xerox document centers with the following	 > config:  >  > Openvms 6.2-1H3s > TCP/IP services version 4.2e > I > using the lpr type printing?  I am able to print to these guys with theoL > following type of config from Digital Unix (4.whatever) and VMS as long asE > I send postscript; as soon as I send ascii text, the printer printsoE > "staircase" as in no CR for the LF's. (Both DUnix and VMS have this"
 > problem).  h >  > WPOMZX340_76|wpomzx340_76:\96 >         :lf=/SYS$SPECIFIC/UCX_LPD/WPOMZX340_76.LOG:\ >         :lp=WPOMZX340_76:\ >         :ps=non_PS:\ >         :rm=WPOMZX340_76:\ >         :rp=lp:\ >         :pa:\ 1 >         :sd=/SYS$SPECIFIC/UCX_LPD/WPOMZX340_76:7 > G > I do not have an option for adding any funky printing software to theCK > system to get this working; I was just wondering if anyone's had any luck J > on the VMS side hacking things or possibly printing to a different rp onK > the Xerox side (so far only rp=lp prints; any other rp's specified causes K > the job to end up in a "retrying state" where the job will be released in I > 3 minute attemtps).  I've also tried printing through an NT server thatHI > has the lpd daemon running (as reccomended in some documentation on the ! > Compaq site) also to no avail. 2 > = > If I can only print .ps to these guys, I need to know that.2 > 	 > Thanks.. >  > William J. Bochnik >  > Systems Programmer > Operations, CMIS > WPO-17-187, Ext. 2467  > Nextel 1130 - 917 416 7103 >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2001 12:23:47 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>$! Subject: Re: SYSMAN and SMISERVER0H Message-ID: <y4y9s5ijt8.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  / "Dick Adams" <adams.dick.rc@bhp.com.au> writes:e  I >     On the node in question there is no object SMISERVER whereas on theoK > other nodes there is, this certainly seems to be the difference. Now with L > this information I have looked at the system more carefully and found thatM > SMISERVER is indeed running, but it's name is of the form NET_xxxx. Is this  > started at system startup?  3 No, that is the one started by a DECnet connection.-   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:01:55 GMT  From:  <remy@younes.nom.fr>J' Subject: Re: TCP/IP printing on vms 7.1 $ Message-ID: <1103_989485096@seattle>   If i remember well, lprsetup is just UCX$LPRSETUP.COM or something like that. Also, i had to experience a bug when defining lpd printers : The queue 9e directory was not created by lprsetup and the consequence was that the printer didn't print anything.    You can't just copy your printcap file, but take it with you, will be useful to answer the $#[!!$* questions you will be asked.     E On Wed, 09 May 2001 12:40:00 +0100, steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:  >  > K > Depends what you are seeking to achieve and which IP stack you are using. K > If you are running Compaq's TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS (a.k.a. UCX) thenWF > you can use lpr or you can use the telnet symbiont (TCP$TELNETSYM orE > UCX$TELNETSYM depending on the product version that you are using).- > I > See MGMT6 in the OpenVMS FAQ "How do I connect a PostScript printer via H > TCP/IP" and bear in mind that the telnet symbiont need not be printingL > postscript - it just throws what it gets at the printer and hopes that the+ > printer will understand what it receives.l > J > In my opinion, it's easier than trying to understand LPR but then that's > just me.  :-)r > Steve. >  > Graham Van Epps asked:9 > >>>after skimming this ng and reading the faq, i gatherb4 > that i am supposed to use lprsetup to configure my1 > alpha to print over tcp/ip to an hp laserjet 4.s >  > two questions/problems:nC > 1. when logged in as system, there is no lprsetup in the ucx dir. 7 >    running lprsetup returns a command not found error F > 2. i ran it on a tru64 box to see what to expect and it had no optioF >    for the laserjet 4.  should i just choose remote or postscript... > G > also, could i just copy a bsd printcap file over and install it on myn@ > vms system?  docs seem to imply that they use the same syntax. >  > any help would be awesome.	 > thanks.y > <<<0 >    ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2001 12:01:41 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>/8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variantsH Message-ID: <y4ae4ljzei.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  + Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:n  : > The problems of running WNT apps on UNIX don't come from@ > undocumented API parts of WNT, they don't come from apps usingA > undocumented calls and they also don't come from the mistakenlya. > stated "fact" of a rapidly changing WNT API.< > If the undocumented parts were there reason only apps from= > companies that have access to information about those callsl > would make trouble.u  C You appear not to have heard of Bristol Technologies vs. Microsoft.a   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2001 12:04:08 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>:8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variantsH Message-ID: <y47kzpjzaf.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  + Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:s  ; > Yes and no. SUN is investing substantailly into the Linux B > business. Solaris is open source. From what I see SUN will merge? > both. There is no point in "loss of control" because Linux isI@ > open source. Having a Linux distribution from SUN for SPARC is= > the best what SUN can offer - full control, minimum effort,h > maximum effect.e  @ Have you actually read the Solaris source license? It's about as( open source as the VMS listings license.  A You just don't understand how business works, among other things.b	 Good bye.s   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2001 12:07:08 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>-8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variantsH Message-ID: <y44rutjz5f.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  + Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:o  M > > I suggest you first define what a "UNIX app" is - possibly in contrast ton@ > > a "VMS app" - and then we might have a basis for discussion.= > Simply an app which uses mostly UNIX system calls and whichmA > doesn't take full advantage of the VMS features like RMS files.r  K I rarely see a native program running on VMS that takes "full advantage" ofmL features such as RMS files. Incidental advantage, yes, but concious use made of all those facilities?  H A Unix system call is, for the most part, just as good (or bad) as a VMSH system call. And how many programms actually use a system call directly,$ instead of via the run-time library?  2 > Poorly ported UNIX apps which should run on VMS.  C "poorly ported" is the fault of the porter, not of the application.e   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:51:49 +0100i0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants* Message-ID: <3AFA72C5.32C3BE43@uk.sun.com>   Christof Brass wrote:l >  > andrew harrison wrote: > >- > > Christof Brass wrote:1 > > >0 > >:D > > > SUN will sooner or later replace Solaris by Linux. You can see > > > signs of this already. > >9" > > Ohh and what signs are they ?? > @ > Investment into Linux. Dropping CDE in favour of KDE or Gnome. > Making Solaris open source.. >   1 You in a previous email accuse me of not knowing p1 what an OS is and you respond with a posting thatr1 quite clearly demonstrates that you don't have a   clue yourself.  / KDE/Gnome happen to run on Linix as they do on n, Solaris/Tru64/AIX/FreeBSD etc. Gnome and KDE+ use all these kernels a platform. The fact o. that Solaris runs Gnome and that Sun is going , to supply it as part of our Solaris desktop , release does not mean that Solaris is being , abandoned in favour of Linux, any more than ) the Linux adoption of SGI XFS means that  / Linux is going to be dropped in favour of IRIX.p  , UNIX's have always swapped technologies and  this is no different.i  . Secondly Solaris is not Open Source and don't - let the Open Source folks hear you say it is s, unless you want your mailbox filled up with + ruder emails than your general standard of r* posting. Solaris source is released under  Sun's community source licence.e  A > > As a matter of interest what do you think linux actually is ?t > >s > > Let me help you. > >l; > > Its a UNIX like kernel and not much else. The utilitiesa; > > the libraries etc which make up the bulk of what you or-6 > > I think of as an OS have come from GNU, commercial) > > donations or other freeware projects.a >  > Sorry, not much help.o > * > > And what is so attractive about Linux. > >l6 > > Its small, its fast and it has good device support5 > > for PC's and devices that you can attach to PC's. ! > > But its only really a kernel.7 > : > I would add much different things to Linux attractivity.; > But what is the point in your "its only really a kernel"?, > 4 > > So what happens when you add proper SMP support,4 > > threads, kernel pre-emption, real-time, a proper2 > > JFS, resource management, hot plug support etc0 > > etc which some if not most commercial UNIX's
 > > have now.e > < > I completely disagree. SMP support is beeing added, kernelA > threads are there, both without blowing out the kernel. What do-9 > you mean exactly with kernel pre-emption? Solaris isn'tcB > "real-time". JFS is there. Again I severly doubt that the pointsA > you mention make the kernel bigger or slower or whatever worse.nA > It might have made Solaris worse because SUN hire cheap collegev: > finishers and fire them after a few years when they wantB > substantial more money. This won't work for quality. (source: EdA > Yourdan - Decline and Fall of the American Programmer.) SolarispA > 2.x with x smaller 5 was a piece of shit, every single version;z= > and a collection of patches. Why not drop it and use Linux?p >   7 Sorry Solaris does support real time, it has real time t7 threads support, a fixed priority sheduler and you can : lock memory pages. r  7 The fact that you don't know this and the fact that youn9 seem unable to work out what kernel pre-emption is tends e; to reduce the credibility of your "cheap college" students e6 gibes. Its good to see that you have reverted to type  almost immediately.   < And as for SMP support, Linux currently scales to about the 8 same number of CPU's as HP-UX 9/SunOS did. Actually its 6 better than SunOS which only really supported 2 CPU's 4 where as Linux does 4. Now thats fine if your design3 point is to compete with NT because NT does not do V1 much better. But Solaris scales well to 64 CPU's e4 and other Commercial UNIX's handly do 32. But having7 the same SMP scalability as a 10 year old UNIX OS isn'tp4 much to write home about and a lot more coding will 1 need to be done to improve on this as Sun and HP M/ fould out when they tried to do the same thing.g  0 > > At this point why would Sun for example want0 > > to substitute the Solaris kernel for a Linux > > kernel ??? > @ > Because its cheaper. There is no point in having your own UNIXB > flavour with minuscle market share. You make money with e.g. HW.: > Sorry I can't continue it would end up in a lesson about > business.s >   8 HMM miniscule market share, another made up "fact" from 	 Christof.n   regard Andrew Harrisons Enterprise IT Architectf   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:50:23 +0100u0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants* Message-ID: <3AFAAAAF.4BCBB90E@uk.sun.com>   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > - > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:a > < > > The problems of running WNT apps on UNIX don't come fromB > > undocumented API parts of WNT, they don't come from apps usingC > > undocumented calls and they also don't come from the mistakenlyo0 > > stated "fact" of a rapidly changing WNT API.> > > If the undocumented parts were there reason only apps from? > > companies that have access to information about those callss > > would make trouble.  > E > You appear not to have heard of Bristol Technologies vs. Microsoft.h >   8 His views also do not reflect the experience of the Wine5 developers who are trying to do what he says is easy i2 namely using the published API's and then reverse 4 engineering the undocumented bits. They are finding 2 it to be a struggle and despite many man years of 1 effort still do not have an environment that can . reliably run windows apps.  5 Nor does it reflect Sun's experience with WABI which d9 we eventually dropped for exactly the reasons I outlined t in my posting.  6 Still Christof despite obviously having no experience # in this area is bound to know best.r     regardsU Andrew Harrisont Enterprise IT Architecta   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:20:30 +0100c0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants* Message-ID: <3AFAB1BE.684BFFFA@uk.sun.com>   Christof Brass wrote:a >  > @ > The burned customers wouldn't probably by anything from Compaq? > and they probably woulnd't buy any Alpha products. Instead ofr@ > dropping NT on Alpha C should have sued Micro$hit like Digital> > did with Intel. If the contracts didn't allow this shoot the > people who signed them.  >   3 And what grounds would Compaq have for suing MS, ity3 was Compaq who pulled the plug on the Alpha port of  NT not Microsoft.   4 You could argue that Compaq pulled the plug because 2 the contact they had with MS was very much in MS's4 favour but that isn't grounds for suing MS though it5 might be grounds for firing the people in Digital whos1 were involved in the contract if they still work   for Compaq.      regardss Andrew Harrisone Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:35:49 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants* Message-ID: <3AFAB555.81818C37@uk.sun.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote:b > 4 > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: > 4 > > So what happens when you add proper SMP support,4 > > threads, kernel pre-emption, real-time, a proper2 > > JFS, resource management, hot plug support etc >  > You would be half way to VMS.. >   - Since at least two of these capabilities are 0+ so new to OpenVMS that they are still warm .- from the sides of the mould it would be more s. acurate to say that you would be where OpenVMS has just got to.   RegardsF Andrew Harrison- Enterprise IT Architecta   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:57:55 +0200y2 From: "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>$ Subject: Unsupported File Structure?3 Message-ID: <3AFA6623.19D9D36C@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>m   Hi,v  ? a curious thing: My cluster (VAXes, Alphas) runs under VMS 6.2.h> One Alpha 2100 (A) has as system disk dka0 a Seagate ST19171W.4 It is no problem to mount this on all cluster nodes.  > I added a VAX (B) and an Alpha 2100 (C) under VMS 7.2-1 to the? cluster. All of the disks on the different nodes in the cluster < I can mount on (B) and (C). Exept the above mentioned system disk of (A), Message" "unsupported file structure level" on both systems (B) and (C)>  C The Alpha 2100 (C) (V7.2) has also a system disk ST19171W. This onet? can be mounted on all V6.2 systems and even from (B) with V7.2.h  	 Any idea?o   RegardsX Otto  ,  -------------------------------------------, | Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |, | Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |, | titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |, | Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |,  -------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:06:29 +0200-: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>( Subject: Re: Unsupported File Structure?J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101602570.25037-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  * On Thu, 10 May 2001, Dr. Otto Titze wrote:   >+Hi,  >+A >+a curious thing: My cluster (VAXes, Alphas) runs under VMS 6.2. @ >+One Alpha 2100 (A) has as system disk dka0 a Seagate ST19171W.6 >+It is no problem to mount this on all cluster nodes. >+@ >+I added a VAX (B) and an Alpha 2100 (C) under VMS 7.2-1 to theA >+cluster. All of the disks on the different nodes in the clustert> >+I can mount on (B) and (C). Exept the above mentioned system >+disk of (A), Message$ >+"unsupported file structure level" >+on both systems (B) and (C)  [...]S >+Any idea?C    Name conflict ? Logical name ?   Hm...3  Check with SHOW DEV the_name_used_in_mount_commandM9 if here can not be a problem like DEFINE $5$DKA0: NLA0: !     Regards - Gotfryd   -- ME ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:44:09 +0200h5 From: Philippe Marmillod <philippe.marmillod@epfl.ch> ( Subject: Re: Unsupported File Structure?' Message-ID: <3AFAC559.A3801915@epfl.ch>(   "Dr. Otto Titze" wrote:m >  > Hi,  > A > a curious thing: My cluster (VAXes, Alphas) runs under VMS 6.2. @ > One Alpha 2100 (A) has as system disk dka0 a Seagate ST19171W.6 > It is no problem to mount this on all cluster nodes. > @ > I added a VAX (B) and an Alpha 2100 (C) under VMS 7.2-1 to theA > cluster. All of the disks on the different nodes in the cluster2> > I can mount on (B) and (C). Exept the above mentioned system > disk of (A), Message$ > "unsupported file structure level" > on both systems (B) and (C)n/ Maybe the disk is formated  Structure Level 5 ?m  , VAX does not support Structure Level 5 disks   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:59:27 +0200 2 From: "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>( Subject: Re: Unsupported File Structure?3 Message-ID: <3AFAC8EF.12DC2EBF@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>S  	 Philippe,e   Philippe Marmillod schrieb:t > 1 > Maybe the disk is formated  Structure Level 5 ?? > . > VAX does not support Structure Level 5 disks  ' The disk is on an V6.2 system and ODS-2-   Regards  Otto --  ,  -------------------------------------------, | Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |, | Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |, | titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |, | Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |,  -------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:13:30 GMTt= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)r( Subject: Re: Unsupported File Structure?0 Message-ID: <009FBCDB.787BB665@SendSpamHere.ORG>  _ In article <3AFAC559.A3801915@epfl.ch>, Philippe Marmillod <philippe.marmillod@epfl.ch> writes:  >"Dr. Otto Titze" wrote: >>   >> Hi, >> hB >> a curious thing: My cluster (VAXes, Alphas) runs under VMS 6.2.A >> One Alpha 2100 (A) has as system disk dka0 a Seagate ST19171W.n7 >> It is no problem to mount this on all cluster nodes.Y >> eA >> I added a VAX (B) and an Alpha 2100 (C) under VMS 7.2-1 to the B >> cluster. All of the disks on the different nodes in the cluster? >> I can mount on (B) and (C). Exept the above mentioned systemi >> disk of (A), Messaget% >> "unsupported file structure level"  >> on both systems (B) and (C)0 >Maybe the disk is formated  Structure Level 5 ? >'- >VAX does not support Structure Level 5 disks   = He said the system disk.  ODS-5 is not supported for a system  device.r   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt            yO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:17:31 GMT 8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)( Subject: Re: Unsupported File Structure?1 Message-ID: <L2AK6.101$fi2.2463@news.cpqcorp.net>   1 In article <009FBCDB.787BB665@SendSpamHere.ORG>,  ? system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:  ../ >...ODS-5 is not supported for a system device.s  : This is true for the moment, but may change in the future.< In any case, and ODS-5 system disk would not cause the error# "unsupported file structure level".b   --  K     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USA,H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:12:48 GMTu= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)o( Subject: Re: Unsupported File Structure?0 Message-ID: <009FBCDB.5F69F5EC@SendSpamHere.ORG>  _ In article <3AFAC559.A3801915@epfl.ch>, Philippe Marmillod <philippe.marmillod@epfl.ch> writes:v >"Dr. Otto Titze" wrote: >> h >> Hi, >>  B >> a curious thing: My cluster (VAXes, Alphas) runs under VMS 6.2.A >> One Alpha 2100 (A) has as system disk dka0 a Seagate ST19171W. 7 >> It is no problem to mount this on all cluster nodes.  >> mA >> I added a VAX (B) and an Alpha 2100 (C) under VMS 7.2-1 to therB >> cluster. All of the disks on the different nodes in the cluster? >> I can mount on (B) and (C). Exept the above mentioned system@ >> disk of (A), Message % >> "unsupported file structure level"a >> on both systems (B) and (C)0 >Maybe the disk is formated  Structure Level 5 ? >r- >VAX does not support Structure Level 5 diskso    B What is the cluster factor of the ST19171W???  If the cluster size@ is less than 17 or 18 blocks, the volume was initialized with anA extended allocation bitmap.  Older revs of VMS will not mount it!r  @ If this is the case and you want to mount it on the older revs, > you need to make an image backup and then init the disk to get> the cluster factor to a size which will maintain the older al-= location bitmap size (18 work on my SEAGATE ST19171Ns).  Thenj! restore the backup /NOINITIALIZE.i   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM4            aO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:33:14 -0700i+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com> 0 Subject: Re: VMS 7.2 BACKUP damaging system disk( Message-ID: <3AFAD0DA.F6294B40@mmaz.com>  M Please excuse this repost if you have seen it, but it never showed up over onaS comp.os.vms and based on feedback from Mark at SAIC, it doesn't appear to have madec it to this list either.l   Regards,   Barryc   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:  # > steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:f >tQ > > What's the command line that you're using for the backup and for the restore?c > >yM > > Whilst I appreciate your experience and knowledge, it's easy to trip overpL > > things and be so deep into a problem that you can't see the wood for the
 > > trees. >f > You are absolutely correct.- >-P > I just did two on-line disk to disk backups, with logging off and this is what > I've seen: >oE > V4500$ backup/nolog/nofast/noalias/ignore=(noback,inter) $145$dia0:n > $145$dia1:/imageP > %BACKUP-W-AFNOTSAVED, alias file $145$DIA0:[SYS0]SYSCOMMON.DIR;1 was not savedP > %BACKUP-W-AFNOTSAVED, alias file $145$DIA0:[SYSEXE]SYSBOOT.EXE;1 was not savedC > V4500$ backup/nolog/nofast/alias/ignore=(noback,inter) $145$dia0:  > $145$dia1:/imageP > %BACKUP-W-AFNOTSAVED, alias file $145$DIA0:[SYS0]SYSCOMMON.DIR;1 was not saved > V4500$ >iQ > Now I can see why the first failed to boot because the alias to the SYSBOOT was M > broke.  What I do not understand is why the second backup still ignored thetN > SYSCOMMON aliases, thereby producing a bad VMS tree, but more importantly itO > ALSO failed to recreate the SYSBOOT aliases even though it did not report any 	 > errors:h >a= > V4500$ dir/file $145$dia0:[000000...]sysboot.exe,$145$dia1:  >a- > Directory $145$DIA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE]t >a  > SYSBOOT.EXE;1        (113,1,0) >n > Total of 1 file. >o > Directory $145$DIA0:[SYSEXE] >   > SYSBOOT.EXE;1        (113,1,0) >e > Total of 1 file. >R) > Directory $145$DIA0:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE]g >   > SYSBOOT.EXE;1        (113,1,0) >d > Total of 1 file. >S > Directory $145$DIA1:[SYSEXE] >c  > SYSBOOT.EXE;1        (113,1,0) >y > Total of 1 file. >l( > Grand total of 4 directories, 4 files. >sP > This does appear to be a major flaw in the on-line BACKUP keeping in mind that4 > stand-alone version does not exhibit this problem. > % > Any and all comments appreciated...h >  > Barryl >  > -- >NA > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO  > C > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028c   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028u   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:10:03 GMT & From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com>, Subject: Re: VMS 7.3 docs on OpenVMS webite?? Message-ID: <vyvK6.188451$fs3.31882950@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>u  I If this helps, the SPD for VMS 7.3 (VAX and Alpha) is in the SPD databasep with a document date of May 2.  . http://www.compaq.com/info/SP2501/SP2501PF.PDF  8 "Ryan Moore" <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> wrote in message6 news:Pine.LNX.4.31.0105081837100.1566-100000@jaipur...I > When are the VMS 7.3 docs going to show up on the OpenVMS documentationlL > website (http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/index.html)?  It would be niceK > to start reading the Release Notes and New Features manuals before we getr > our hardcopies.d >t > -Ryan  >n >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:10:20 GMTm0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander), Subject: Re: VMS 7.3 docs on OpenVMS webite?0 Message-ID: <wbyK6.95$fi2.2467@news.cpqcorp.net>  
 re: the docs.   $ Getting the new docs up is big job.   7 It will be approx 502MB, 6,238 files in 142 directories   < I had to 'get' another disk for the web server and move the A current doc's over there. BTW currently there are 353 directories * with 10918 files (538560 blocks = 250MB).   C The reason the 7.3's are bigger is that there are more pdf versions  of the files available.h  8 Hopefully I will start 'snarfing' them out tomorrow AM.      -- oB ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comE 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.comC3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875 6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself -          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  B ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:33:30 -0700u! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>a, Subject: RE: VMS 7.3 docs on OpenVMS webite?9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEIMCIAA.tom@kednos.com>i  + Are these available under ods for a peecee?t   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: Warren Sander [mailto:sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com]o& > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 8:10 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma. > Subject: Re: VMS 7.3 docs on OpenVMS webite? >  >  > re: the docs.h > & > Getting the new docs up is big job.  > 9 > It will be approx 502MB, 6,238 files in 142 directoriesa > > > I had to 'get' another disk for the web server and move the C > current doc's over there. BTW currently there are 353 directories , > with 10918 files (538560 blocks = 250MB).  > E > The reason the 7.3's are bigger is that there are more pdf versionsp > of the files available.: > : > Hopefully I will start 'snarfing' them out tomorrow AM.  >  >  > -- .D > ------------------------------------------------------------------8 > Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingF > Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comG > 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.comm5 > Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875n8 >    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself / >          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ tD > ------------------------------------------------------------------ >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:50:26 +0100w' From: Hitendra Patel <h.patel@rl.ac.uk>h Subject: VMS NFS mounts on UNIX ' Message-ID: <3AFA6461.919AA66@rl.ac.uk>g   Hi Managers,  @ Can someone advise me on how to nfs mount a VMS disk onto a unixE environment. I have no experience of VMS management, so may need someiE detail information. I only look after the UNIX management and our VMS  expert has moved on.  " Any help will be appreciated......   Hitendra Patel   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:59:48 +0200i: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>6 Subject: Re: What is the best way to erase SCSI disks?J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101537230.25037-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  ' On Tue, 8 May 2001, Hoff Hoffman wrote:e  H >+In article [...], "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> [...]sO >+  That depends on the contents of the block, and the value of the contents.  u    Agree.e   [...]'< >+:>+  If you do decide to try coercivity (degausing), [...]5 >+:                            **********************n [...]C/ >+: Hoff, do you describe disks decade old ? ;)i >+E >+  Um, I am familiar with the requirements of certain organizations, - >+  organizations that shall remain nameless.e  ?  No, Hoff, my mail was because the original post cleanly statestA that the poster will *get some money* of the disk as equipment :)p   [...]sE >+  Embedded servo information -- what you refer to when you comment  E >+  on the potential of the potential of problems for a bulk degauss eE >+  -- can be reconstituted.  Sometimes this effort requires factory   >+  intervention,   @  My point was in that: probably the cost of factory intervention< on *opened* disk makes the operation nothing worth. At least= have not hear of something ! The opposite - when the value ofTE data (for recovery) is *much* more than the disk itself - probably :)C  A >+            and sometimes available hardware can (re)record it.e    I can be wrong.:  But can anyone here say, that modern disk in the "typical9 class" (including the new VMS-supported one, not only ther; cheapest PC-home-destined) are able to self-write the tracko from scratch ??a<  Looks strange... The only *precise* info of location is the: leading track on disk, IMHO. For that reason was seen the ; described problem: if the disks (with *much* biggest tracks < than todays !) writes track itself - it gives nothing good !@  The last disks where can do what you say was IMHO the 0,5..1GB  in size big one.  - >+  But the perceived value of the data [...]"  5  Agree :) But *not* when someone asks "how to sell" !t    Regards - Gotfryd   -- 2E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME1. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:29:10 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> 6 Subject: Re: What is the best way to erase SCSI disks?) Message-ID: <3AFAA5B6.858BD6E3@bbc.co.uk>h  ' thompson_n.o.s.p.a.m@athenet.net wrote:i  J > You can do an init/erase.  Since they're on HSJ's the HSJ's will do most, > of the work with little/no IO over the CI.  E  So, has anyone had the budget to try INIT/ERASE or whatever and thenkL send the disk off to Vogon or HP or someone to try and recover the data? :-)  @ Someone I work with who used to work somewhere where they reallyJ cared says the latest he heard is it takes 6 writes to make the data trulyI unrecoverable (there are magnetic hysterisis effects apparently that meani2 one can recover previous data even after a write).  P I do have an interest in this issue also, so any comments welcome. Of particular. relevance to me are RZ28, RF35 and RF36 disks.   regards   --:6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uko  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of2 MedAS or the BBC..   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:27:45 -0400e From: wwebb1@email.usps.gov(6 Subject: RE: What is the best way to erase SCSI disks?K Message-ID: <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB75001925B7D@rlghncst625.usps.gov>.  I Find a scrapyard that has one of those cranes with a magnetic pickup. :^)H  K I imagine that the ones and zeroes would get bent beyond recognition by theE* sheer Gaussian force of such an implement.  K Or you could do what a friend of mine had to do when he was in the service:     1) physically disassemble drives 2) sand surface of all platters  3) don SCBA/& 4) dissolve platters in barrel of acid   Now THAT'S unrecoverable.=   I'm not kidding.   WWWebb     > -----Original Message-----2 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ' > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:54 AMiF > To: Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET8 > Subject: RE: What is the best way to erase SCSI disks? >  > ) > thompson_n.o.s.p.a.m@athenet.net wrote:: > @ > > You can do an init/erase.  Since they're on HSJ's the HSJ's  > will do most. > > of the work with little/no IO over the CI. > G >  So, has anyone had the budget to try INIT/ERASE or whatever and then09 > send the disk off to Vogon or HP or someone to try and n > recover the data? :-)h > B > Someone I work with who used to work somewhere where they really> > cared says the latest he heard is it takes 6 writes to make  > the data truly7 > unrecoverable (there are magnetic hysterisis effects e > apparently that mean4 > one can recover previous data even after a write). > < > I do have an interest in this issue also, so any comments  > welcome. Of particular0 > relevance to me are RZ28, RF35 and RF36 disks. > 	 > regardsD >  --C8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukl > C > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of- > MedAS or the BBC.- >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:24:13 -0400l- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>@6 Subject: Re: What is the best way to erase SCSI disks?( Message-ID: <3AFAB29B.49536A77@ohio.edu>   $ help init/erase-
 INITIALIZE     /ERASE           /ERASE         /NOERASE (default)  B      Physically destroys deleted data by writing over it. ControlsA      the data security erase (DSE) operation on the volume beforeBF      initializing it. The /ERASE qualifier applies to Files-11 On-DiskB      Structure Level 2 disk and ANSI magnetic tape volumes, and isD      valid for magnetic tape devices that support the hardware erase4      function, such as TU78 and MSCP magnetic tapes.   ++++++++  J My memory, from the time when this was introduced, is that a "DSE" was notN simply a single-pass erasure, but rather involved writing a carefully selectedO sequence of data patterns.  If I recall correctly, there were on the order of a>L dozen, with the bit patterns designed to produce magnetization patterns thatG would overwhelm any stray residual magnetization.  This would obviously)J depend on the recording method (run-length limited encoding, or whatever).  #                                 RDPe     Tim Llewellyn wrote:  ) > thompson_n.o.s.p.a.m@athenet.net wrote:  >-L > > You can do an init/erase.  Since they're on HSJ's the HSJ's will do most. > > of the work with little/no IO over the CI. >sG >  So, has anyone had the budget to try INIT/ERASE or whatever and then-N > send the disk off to Vogon or HP or someone to try and recover the data? :-) >pB > Someone I work with who used to work somewhere where they reallyL > cared says the latest he heard is it takes 6 writes to make the data trulyK > unrecoverable (there are magnetic hysterisis effects apparently that meana4 > one can recover previous data even after a write). > R > I do have an interest in this issue also, so any comments welcome. Of particular0 > relevance to me are RZ28, RF35 and RF36 disks. >s	 > regardsl >  --t8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  > C > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of- > MedAS or the BBC.-   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:43:13 -0400a4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com>6 Subject: RE: What is the best way to erase SCSI disks?J Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D8508908C92@nts0147.beehive.com>  7 			General consensus - if you're paranoid, then destroyV the disks, don't sell them.  l   				>>>> Orig message below @ 	wwebb1@email.usps.gov 05/10/2001 11:27 AM 	                 To:I Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                cc:    Subject: RE: What is the bestu way to erase SCSI disks?	e    * 				Find a scrapyard that has one of those" cranes with a magnetic pickup. :^)  0 				I imagine that the ones and zeroes would get bent beyond recognition by the. 				sheer Gaussian force of such an implement.  0 				Or you could do what a friend of mine had to do when he was in the service:  $ 				1) physically disassemble drives# 				2) sand surface of all platters  				3) don SCBA * 				4) dissolve platters in barrel of acid   				Now THAT'S unrecoverable.r   				I'm not kidding.  
 				WWWebb      				> -----Original Message-----, 				> From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at	 INTERNET N+ 				> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:54 AMc( 				> To: Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC;! Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET 0 				> Subject: RE: What is the best way to erase SCSI disks?  				>  				> - 				> thompson_n.o.s.p.a.m@athenet.net wrote:0 				> 0 				> > You can do an init/erase.  Since they're on HSJ's the HSJ's V 				> will do most. 				> > of the work with little/no IO over the CI.o 				> + 				>  So, has anyone had the budget to tryb INIT/ERASE or whatever and theno) 				> send the disk off to Vogon or HP ort someone to try and e 				> recover the data? :-)l 				> * 				> Someone I work with who used to work somewhere where they reallye0 				> cared says the latest he heard is it takes 6 writes to make s 				> the data truly' 				> unrecoverable (there are magneticp hysterisis effects c 				> apparently that mean0 				> one can recover previous data even after a write).  				> / 				> I do have an interest in this issue also,  so any comments  				> welcome. Of particular- 				> relevance to me are RZ28, RF35 and RF36h disks. 				> 
 				> regards 	 				>  --u, 				> Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project5) 				> MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road,  Bristol, UK.) 				> Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. HomeC tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk4 				> 0 				> I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of 				> MedAS or the BBC.i 				>      William J. Bochnik   Systems Programmer Operations, CMIS WPO-17-187, Ext. 2467s Nextel 1130 - 917 416 7103   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:08:07 -0400 4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com> Subject: XEROX document centers J Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D8508908C90@nts0147.beehive.com>  H I know we're running some old o/s versions here, so please bear with me.J Anyone have any luck printing to Xerox document centers with the following config:    Openvms 6.2-1H31 TCP/IP services version 4.2E  G using the lpr type printing?  I am able to print to these guys with theeL following type of config from Digital Unix (4.whatever) and VMS as long as IA send postscript; as soon as I send ascii text, the printer printsBC "staircase" as in no CR for the LF's. (Both DUnix and VMS have this1 problem).  X   WPOMZX340_76|wpomzx340_76:\(4         :lf=/SYS$SPECIFIC/UCX_LPD/WPOMZX340_76.LOG:\         :lp=WPOMZX340_76:\         :ps=non_PS:\         :rm=WPOMZX340_76:\         :rp=lp:\
         :pa:\ /         :sd=/SYS$SPECIFIC/UCX_LPD/WPOMZX340_76:e  L I do not have an option for adding any funky printing software to the systemI to get this working; I was just wondering if anyone's had any luck on thelK VMS side hacking things or possibly printing to a different rp on the XeroxrJ side (so far only rp=lp prints; any other rp's specified causes the job toG end up in a "retrying state" where the job will be released in 3 minute-J attemtps).  I've also tried printing through an NT server that has the lpdH daemon running (as reccomended in some documentation on the Compaq site) also to no avail.   ; If I can only print .ps to these guys, I need to know that.V   Thanks.    William J. Bochnik   Systems Programmer Operations, CMIS WPO-17-187, Ext. 2467a Nextel 1130 - 917 416 7103   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:19:04 +0200N- From: Didier Morandi <didier.morandi@ubs.com>h@ Subject: [DCL] maxreclen symbol (was: DCL minute of the evening)' Message-ID: <3AFA8738.B76F2041@ubs.com>q   Alphaman wrote:l > 1 > 255 for the symbol name, 1024 for the contents.t  
 No (sorry)   $ help := param string   :=   Parameters
     stringH        Names the character string value to be equated to the symbol. TheE        string can contain any alphanumeric or special characters. DCL:J        uses a buffer that is 1024 bytes long to hold _a_string_assignment_H        _statement. Therefore, the length of the symbol name, the string,G        and any symbol substitution within the string cannot exceed 1024a        characters.   means:   $ a[1023,1] := x is valid2 $ alongvariablename...upto255charslong[768,1] := x is valid others higher values are not.)  ? Disclaimer: this may be not the thruth, but this is my opinion.r   D. ---t. UBS AG - The OpenVMS Integration & Tests Group. Buckhauserstrasse 41, 8048 Zrich, Switzerland. Phone: +41 1 236 0157  -  GSM: +41 79 705 4670. Int.location: BK41/240 Mailstop: BK41/I3VQ-M4X   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:35:00 +0200s2 From: Nicholas Barnes <nicholas-za.barnes@ubs.com>, Subject: Re: [FUN] DCL minute of the evening' Message-ID: <3AFA44A4.283C0353@ubs.com>7   Didier Morandi wrote: P > we got here the three solutions we implemented internally at UBS. Mine was theO > one I posted: search, John's was the HASH solution and Nick the FDLed file...-   Actually, not quite true.h  A My solution was based on the fact that it is the mean time over auB hundred or so lookups which is important, not the per-lookup time.  F In my code, the first lookup takes a disproportionately long amount ofH time, but loads all the key/value pairs into symbols. Subsequent lookupsH then take place only in RAM as a symbol search. It wasn't mind-numbinglyF efficient, needed CLISYMTBL altering and certainly wouldn't work for aG large file, but over a 200 record file I managed to get an average of 1  lookup every 0.05 second.6  D As a proof of concept, it worked well, and I can already see severalG ways of improving on it (the first of which would be to binary chop ther( symbols rather than do a serial search).   Any more for any more?  	 Nicholas.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:28:15 GMTf. From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com>, Subject: Re: [FUN] DCL minute of the evening: Message-ID: <jXuK6.3038$I5.1005572@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>  / 255 for the symbol name, 1024 for the contents.    AaronM --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html> Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org/ #ifdef TRUEa  #define TRUE 0o  #define FALSE 1 #endif  K Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:3AFA2A20.DB5BF745@home.nl... I > You may have a big problem, since (AFAIK) the maximum record lenght you-
 can use in > DCL is 255 bytes.-   ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:57:40 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>, Subject: Re: [FUN] DCL minute of the eveningJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101420470.25037-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  $ On Thu, 10 May 2001, Alphaman wrote:  1 >+255 for the symbol name, 1024 for the contents.s   ... will vote:  2048 for the content :)    :  1024 bytes is DCL limit of expression lenght, and you are/ right in the place of some *usable* limits are:   @ - 768 characters due the offset limit in symbol[offset,lenght]:=  and symbol[offset,lenght]=V. - 1024 characters due the DCL expression limit  ;  But the symbol itself *can* save 2kB of data and in *some*N4 cases that can be used, b.ex. in READ (from file) or: WRITE/SYMBOL command :) (WRITE not, because WRITE uses DCL6 expression). That is regardless the fact, that in most- cases we have interest with DCL expression :)o  :  A check for 1600 bytes records (created with EDT, CONVERT1 to fixed and SET FILE/ATTR to large record size):d  
 $ dira f.f   Directory DISK$USER:[GS]/                      File   .---- Record ----.  A  . . . . . . . . . .org. form.   size   attrib.                  i5 F.F;4                SEQ  FIX   1600/1600    CR      a   Total of 1 file.
 $ open in f.fs $ read in line
 $ sh sym linec   LINE =G "*123456789*123456789*123456789*123456789*123456789*123456789*123456789e [...cut 6 lines...]p: %DCL-I-SYMTRUNC, preceding symbol value has been truncated $   >  You may also check this for 3*512 byte long MAIL.MAI records,@ nearly 2kB lenght SYSUAF.DAT records etc. (WARNING ! If you will7 so - do it on a copy from BACKUP or thru CONV/SHARE or  7 use /SHARE=WRITE, in other way you can lock users from i
 logging !) [...]k    Regards - Gotfryd   -- wE =====================================================================lF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEn. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:19:25 +0200a2 From: Nicholas Barnes <nicholas-za.barnes@ubs.com>, Subject: Re: [FUN] DCL minute of the evening' Message-ID: <3AFA955D.82236786@ubs.com>e  " "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" wrote: >  >  2048 for the content :)  D Damn. In the time it took me to explain this to Didier face to face,8 you've taken away my chance to correct him in public ;-)  	 Nicholas.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:22:23 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <didier.morandi@ubs.com> , Subject: Re: [FUN] DCL minute of the evening' Message-ID: <3AFA960F.4E12AB07@ubs.com>=  " "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" wrote: > < >  A check for 1600 bytes records (created with EDT, CONVERT3 > to fixed and SET FILE/ATTR to large record size):    $ edit/tpu A.TXT Ap <DELC> PF1 2048 <UNDELC>=" AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.... up to 2048   will do it too.tL And you are right. Adding a 2049th character makes DCL complain on the READ:   $ open/read ch A.txt $ read ch line8 %RMS-W-RTB, 2049 byte record too large for user's buffer $ write sys$output f$len(line)= %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling   \LINE\    D.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.261 ************************