1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 14 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 265       Contents:, "Portal Sites" (or "Stupid OT(?) Questions")0 Re: "Portal Sites" (or "Stupid OT(?) Questions") Re: 7.2-2 availability# Re: Changing UIC of running process ) Re: Conference: CETS-2001 - Conference CD " Re: Ethermon and ethernet switches" Re: Ethermon and ethernet switches# exabyte 8505xl & VAXStation 4000/90   Re: High MP sync CPU utilization  Re: High MP sync CPU utilization$ Re: RE: High MP sync CPU utilization1 Re: IBM announces MQSeries V5.1 for OpenVMS/Alpha " Info-Vax spammer Was: Your Request Re: Is OpenVMS an UNIX ??? Re: Learn VMS books + Re: mail sending in DCL - returned  mail...  mail util slow ??  Re: mail util slow ?? $ Re: Methodology of Capacity planning$ Re: Methodology of Capacity planning
 More items Re: Mozilla 0.9  Re: Mozilla 0.9  Re: Mozilla 0.9 ' Re: Mystery module: PMAZB-A or PMAZC-A? ' Re: Mystery module: PMAZB-A or PMAZC-A?  OpenVMS 7.3 and Appletalk? Re: OpenVMS 7.3 Doc Set " Place your FREE personal ADs here!/ Re: Programming language usage on VMS systems ? / Re: Programming language usage on VMS systems ? / Re: Programming language usage on VMS systems ? / Re: Programming language usage on VMS systems ? / Re: Programming language usage on VMS systems ? / Re: Programming language usage on VMS systems ? / Re: Programming language usage on VMS systems ?  SLEEP BUTTON Re: SLEEP BUTTON Re: SLEEP BUTTON: Solution to install problem when upgrading to OpenVMS v7.3> Re: Solution to install problem when upgrading to OpenVMS v7.3% Re: Some more bits looking for a home % Re: Some more bits looking for a home % Re: Some more bits looking for a home % Re: Some more bits looking for a home 0 Still looking for love in all the wrong places?? Re: Sun's McNealy, 98% pay cut" Re: The future of VMS - * Humour *" Re: The future of VMS - * Humour *" Re: The future of VMS - * Humour *" Re: The future of VMS - * Humour *" Re: The future of VMS - * Humour *" Re: The future of VMS - * Humour */ Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants / Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants / Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants - Re: What is the best way to erase SCSI disks? - Re: What is the best way to erase SCSI disks?  Re: Windows-XP on Alpha ?? Re: Windows-XP on Alpha ?? Re: Windows-XP on Alpha ?? Re: Windows-XP on Alpha ??6 XDM logins and Advanced Server external authentication: Re: XDM logins and Advanced Server external authentication  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 19:54:44 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 5 Subject: "Portal Sites" (or "Stupid OT(?) Questions") ' Message-ID: <3AFF2CD4.14FC85B0@fsi.net>   E The latest Inet rage seems to be "portal" sites. So, I have questions D and, since CSWS runs on OVMS, maybe these aren't really all THAT far OT...   * 1. What, exactly, is an Internet "portal"?  D 2. How does it differ from any other "active" type of website (i.e.," something other than static HTML)?  , 3. Why are web-surfers so enamoured of them?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 23:12:11 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 9 Subject: Re: "Portal Sites" (or "Stupid OT(?) Questions") , Message-ID: <3AFF4D08.33A6DC85@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:, > 1. What, exactly, is an Internet "portal"?  H It is a term used by Wall Street Casino Analysts to promote one stock by< proclaiming it is a "portal" site with millions of visitors.  M You see, it seems that Wall Street is unaware of something called "bookmarks" J and thinks that everyone has their web browser configured to open a portalM site as a home page (eg: wheneveryou start the software, you are bombarded by  that portal's advertising).   E Eventually, they will realise that poeple are getting wiser and using 9 bookmarks, and portal sites will go the way of the .coms.   I There are however, valuable portal sites. When I had redesigned the DECUS M Canada website prior to being told that DECUS Canada didn't want its web site L on VMS, it had is list of all sorts of VMS resources. This was meant to be aM easy and efficient means for anyone to get to a single page with all sorts of N links in an organised fashion to get to what they wanted. But I never expected& folks to have that as their home page.  A Similarly, when I got interested in GPS, I found a few pages that F contained/maintained a slew of pointers to various other sites. I also considered that a portal.   < But to Wall Street, portals are probably the search engines.  M Also remember that many ISPs will force a "home page" into its customers, and  that is considered a portal.  F > 2. How does it differ from any other "active" type of website (i.e.,$ > something other than static HTML)?  L I don't think it has anything to do between static and dynamic. It has to doM about whether that page allows you to click to reach external sites or not. I , would consider search engines to be portals.  P (BTW, i hate what ALTA VISTA recently did, no more text-only searches YEACHHH !)  . > 3. Why are web-surfers so enamoured of them?  L No, it is Wall Street Casino Analysts who painted those "portals" as virtualJ gold mines in the hopes that the masses would rush to buy these stocks andN hence result in the stock brokers maing heaps of money unloading a stock which? they know has absolutely no potential of ever being profitable.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:58:22 -0500 % From: "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mcs.net>  Subject: Re: 7.2-2 availability 2 Message-ID: <fv2L6.511$j02.10059@news.goodnet.com>   Hoff, G      the TCPIP V5.0a ECO 2 for VAX cover letter also stated that it was J compatible with VMS V7.2-2.  Could be boilerplate text at work... but doesJ this perhaps mean that a rollup version for VAX called V7.2-2 will also be made available?   H      BTW, first post since losing my shell access; if this comes throughK with html cruft or other un-necessary garbage, I will correct it.  Thanks..    Rich Jordan  rjordan@mcs.net     ! Hoff Hoffman wrote in message ... F >In article <gg2K6.30009$V6.1255695@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net>, Ed Wilts <ewilts@mediaone.net> writes:  > A >:Anybody here know when I can expect 7.2-2 to actually roll out?  > J >  The current schedule estimate for the OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-2 work targetsI >  a release from engineering circa Q3CY2001.  Empirical evidence derived F >  from earlier releases indicates an additional four to six weeks forK >  replication and distribution will be required after engineering release.  > ' > ---------------------------- #include ' <rtfaq.h> ----------------------------- K >      For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com + > --------------------------- pure personal # opinion --------------------------- 0 >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 07:48:09 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>, Subject: Re: Changing UIC of running process+ Message-ID: <VA.0000038a.386c687a@sture.ch>   C In article <3afc4097$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms . > Subject: Re: Changing UIC of running process, > From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)" > Date: 11 May 2001 21:42:15 +0200 > g > In article <TLiG6.313$5I.5549@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: k > >In article <OFFB6A49E2.D14EF036-ON88256A3B.0062AD08@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:  > >:From the help: > >...? > >:          This command is obsolete and no longer supported.  > >   > >  Potentially dangerous, too. > >  > >:       Format  > >: > >:         SET UIC  [uic]  > >: > > K > >  We yanked that documentation because that command caused more problems K > >  than it solved.  It can (will) cause problems when used in conjunction I > >  with SPAWN commands, mailboxes, and various other common operations.  > 5 > But it also is a very quick help for problems like:  > R > $!************************  Start of STOP_MONITOR.COM  ************************* > $!? > $!      stop the VPM_SERVER >>> before TCPware shuts down <<< F > $!      or else you have a looping process running at priority 15 !! > $! > $       saved_uic = F$USER() > $       SET UIC SYSTEM > $       STOP VPM_SERVER  > $       SET UIC 'saved_uic'  > $!R > $!*************************  End of STOP_MONITOR.COM  ************************** > 6 > or to workaround poorly written shutdown procedures: > R > $!************************  Start of STOP_WBEM.COM  **************************** > $!7 > $       file = "SYS$SPECIFIC:[WBEM]WBEM$SHUTDOWN.COM" % > $       IF F$SEARCH (file) .NES. ""  > $       THEN" > $           saved_uic = F$USER() > $           SET UIC SYSTEM > $           @'file' ! > $           SET UIC 'saved_uic'  > $       ENDIF  > $!R > $!*************************  End of STOP_WBEM.COM  ***************************** >  > YMMV > K Also (from 3.5 years ago), the way to shut down Oracle (Oracle, not Rdb) as P part of SYSHUTDWN.COM. IIRC there was (is still?) a specific check in the Oracle> procedures for a UIC of [SYSTEM], followed by an exit if true.  J SET UIC [ORACLE] before executing that code was the way to do it, followed- by a SET UIC 'saved_uic' as in your examples.  ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 07:48:10 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>2 Subject: Re: Conference: CETS-2001 - Conference CD+ Message-ID: <VA.0000038c.386c6d5d@sture.ch>   M In article <y4u22reup9.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan   Vorbrueggen wrote:I > From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> 6 > Newsgroups: comp.org.decus,comp.os.linux,comp.os.vms4 > Subject: Re: Conference: CETS-2001 - Conference CD" > Date: 11 May 2001 18:06:42 +0200 > 5 > "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes:  > N > > Seems like most laptops can't be used w/o power for more than a few hours.O > > With sessions running all day, this doesn't add up.  Paper and pencil still  > > wins this race.  > O > Use a Psion 5 then. Goes about 18 hours of continous use with one set of 2 AA  > batteries. > M Which roughly translated into a month's use for me when I had a working one.  O Great for waiting in airports / staying in hotels etc. Could also be used on a  I plane without freaking out the cabin staff. The battery life was severely 4 degraded by driving a printer or serial link though.  N And for David Dachtera: The Psion is a palmtop which fits into a shirt pocket O (albeit prodtruding) with a decent (but small) keyboard), no CD AFAIK. 8MB RAM  O is plenty to store lots of notes, diary entries etc. The proprietary Flash RAM  I disks are way too expensive but just work. Yes, must get mine repaired...  ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2001 00:57:19 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>+ Subject: Re: Ethermon and ethernet switches - Message-ID: <878zk2qzdc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:    > Paul Repacholi wrote: J > > It does not strictly have to be an IP thing, other protocols could use& > > ARP to build their tables as well. > M > But doesn't ARP use the "TCPIP" byte in the ethernet packet that identifies  > the protocol stack ?  F Standardly, yes, but for odd uses, the versions where changed to use aA different protocol type. Then changed again because the net-nazis D insisted they use only strict 802. So they modded it to use a multi- cast address for that.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:49:05 +0200  From: "B.Eckstein" <be@cli.de>+ Subject: Re: Ethermon and ethernet switches % Message-ID: <3AFD7791.2070101@cli.de>    JF Mezei wrote:   P > I have the old reliable ethermon utility to turn a VMS host into a promiscuousV >  mode and draw statistics on usage and more importantly trace the ethernet activity. > P > Can anyone consfirm that on a LAN where each machine is connected to a switch,M > that each machine would be able to go into promiscuous mode and get all the " > packets that flow on the ether ?     No, that won't work      P > I recall reading somewhere that some switches are "smart" and filter out etherK > packets it knows are not destined for a particular port because it learns M > which ether hardware adresses are connected to which ports. Is that true ?      ! That's exactly what a switch does   L > (if so, would it be correct to assume that this would be configurable on a > port by port basis ?)     H Not really. Have look at your switches manual. He could have the abilityG to set up a monitor port for monitoreing the whole traffic. But beware: H The whole switch could have much more traffic than this one port is able
 to transport.    --  C B.Eckstein, TTi Entwicklungszentrum GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de C Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 13:20:29 -0600 ( From: emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com>, Subject: exabyte 8505xl & VAXStation 4000/90+ Message-ID: <3AFEDE7D.6E4A3C10@ecubics.com>    Hi, @ I just put a exabyte tape drive from my alpha to the vaxstation.F Now I'm getting always parity errors during "initialize mka400: test" A The same tapedrive works nice on other machines (pc, alpha, ppc,) 3 And a 4mm tapedrive works nice on this machine too. 2 Runnign a cleaning tape though didn't help either.   So, am I missing something ?   Cheers & thanks, emanuel    P.S. OpenVMS/VAX 7.2   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 06:57:44 -0400 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>) Subject: Re: High MP sync CPU utilization * Message-ID: <3AFD1728.72AEB2CB@oracle.com>  < In addition to VMS V7.3, Rdb versions 7.0.4, 7.0.5 and 7.0.6< also included a number of performance optimizations that can: help.  These optimizations are especially significant when< you are able to set the database parameter NUMBER OF CLUSTER NODES to 1.    "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 
 > Andreas, > N > I suspect you (and others) will find that OpenVMS V7.3 will have much better$ > performance in this specific area. > 
 > Regards, >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > Compaq Canada Inc. > Professional Services  > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax  :  819-772-7036 > Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com >  > -----Original Message-----/ > From: Andreas Fassl [mailto:afassl@progis.de]  > Sent: May 11, 2001 3:34 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + > Subject: Re: High MP sync CPU utilization  > 
 > Hi Kenneth,  > - > THAT is a problem I was very familiar with. M > This issue was always a big discussion topic between oracle rdb engineering  > and  > vms engineering. > Some questions: ? > 1) What IO-Subsystem are you using? (Fibre Channel, SCSI, CI) C > 2) Have you got something like DEC Performance Advisor installed? G > 3) What type of application are you running? (Something like rating & 
 > billing? > :-) )  > I > We escalated this problems many times to RDB engineering as well to VMS M > engineering. At least we found out, that 8 CPUs are not very useful for RDB L > applications, so we did (like the men which go there where no men has gone > before) enter: > $ STOP/CPU 8 > $ STOP/CPU 7 > $ STOP/CPU 6 > $ STOP/CPU 5 > M > and watched the MP sync values. Wonder! MP sync going down, total CPU usagey > -	 > identical.K > Conclusion: Sell the CPUs, buy more memory. Use features like ROW caching  > (big > performance gain). > H > If you've got some more questions about this, feel free to contact me. > M > Back to my questions: Another performance killer is SCSI storage being used I > with VMS releases before 7.2 not having implemented FAST PATH for SCSI.i > 	 > Regardsu > 	 > Andreas  >  > Kenneth wrote: > N > > My system with 2 X AS8400 running VMS 7.1 and Rdb 7.0.1.2 are running withK > > MP sync with CPU utilization about 200 to 400% of the total 800% of CPU F > > power, does anyone know how I can trace what is the cause for this
 > problem?   --  > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 06:57:51 -0400.2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>) Subject: Re: High MP sync CPU utilizationP* Message-ID: <3AFD172F.FF43443D@oracle.com>  < In addition to VMS V7.3, Rdb versions 7.0.4, 7.0.5 and 7.0.6< also included a number of performance optimizations that can: help.  These optimizations are especially significant when< you are able to set the database parameter NUMBER OF CLUSTER NODES to 1.r   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 
 > Andreas, > N > I suspect you (and others) will find that OpenVMS V7.3 will have much better$ > performance in this specific area. > 
 > Regards, >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultantb > Compaq Canada Inc. > Professional Servicesn > Voice: 613-592-4660n > Fax  :  819-772-7036 > Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com >  > -----Original Message-----/ > From: Andreas Fassl [mailto:afassl@progis.de]a > Sent: May 11, 2001 3:34 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn+ > Subject: Re: High MP sync CPU utilization' > 
 > Hi Kenneth,c > - > THAT is a problem I was very familiar with.uM > This issue was always a big discussion topic between oracle rdb engineeringM > andu > vms engineering. > Some questions:r? > 1) What IO-Subsystem are you using? (Fibre Channel, SCSI, CI)nC > 2) Have you got something like DEC Performance Advisor installed?tG > 3) What type of application are you running? (Something like rating &t
 > billing? > :-) )s > I > We escalated this problems many times to RDB engineering as well to VMS?M > engineering. At least we found out, that 8 CPUs are not very useful for RDBhL > applications, so we did (like the men which go there where no men has gone > before) enter: > $ STOP/CPU 8 > $ STOP/CPU 7 > $ STOP/CPU 6 > $ STOP/CPU 5 > M > and watched the MP sync values. Wonder! MP sync going down, total CPU usage  > -d > identical.K > Conclusion: Sell the CPUs, buy more memory. Use features like ROW caching" > (big > performance gain). > H > If you've got some more questions about this, feel free to contact me. > M > Back to my questions: Another performance killer is SCSI storage being usedTI > with VMS releases before 7.2 not having implemented FAST PATH for SCSI.  > 	 > Regards" > 	 > Andreas  >  > Kenneth wrote: > N > > My system with 2 X AS8400 running VMS 7.1 and Rdb 7.0.1.2 are running withK > > MP sync with CPU utilization about 200 to 400% of the total 800% of CPUAF > > power, does anyone know how I can trace what is the cause for this
 > problem?   -- S> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 12:59:05 +0200e& From: Andreas Fassl <afassl@progis.de>- Subject: Re: RE: High MP sync CPU utilizationt) Message-ID: <ae3cea72.ea72ae3c@progis.de>-   Kerry,  I this issue was addressed many times to VMS engineering and was announced iC to be optimized in upcoming VMS releases. Good to hear, it will be " better in 7.3.   Regards3   Andreaso  0 ------------------------------------------------ proGIS Software -n* Visit the home page - http://www.progis.de6 Visit the OpenVMS-Webserver  - http://vmal01.progis.de2 Visit our company portal - http://portal.progis.de   ----- Original Message -----+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>s$ Date: Saturday, May 12, 2001 0:32 am) Subject: RE: High MP sync CPU utilizationi  
 > Andreas, > C > I suspect you (and others) will find that OpenVMS V7.3 will have a
 > much better)$ > performance in this specific area. > 
 > Regards, >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultantp > Compaq Canada Inc. > Professional Servicesh > Voice: 613-592-4660l > Fax  :  819-772-7036 > Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com >  >  > -----Original Message-----/ > From: Andreas Fassl [mailto:afassl@progis.de]d > Sent: May 11, 2001 3:34 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come+ > Subject: Re: High MP sync CPU utilizationt >  > 
 > Hi Kenneth,a > - > THAT is a problem I was very familiar with.tB > This issue was always a big discussion topic between oracle rdb  > engineeringand > vms engineering. > Some questions:I? > 1) What IO-Subsystem are you using? (Fibre Channel, SCSI, CI) C > 2) Have you got something like DEC Performance Advisor installed?W? > 3) What type of application are you running? (Something like m
 > rating &
 > billing? > :-) )h > C > We escalated this problems many times to RDB engineering as well H > to VMS? > engineering. At least we found out, that 8 CPUs are not very n > useful for RDBD > applications, so we did (like the men which go there where no men 
 > has gone > before) enter: > $ STOP/CPU 8 > $ STOP/CPU 7 > $ STOP/CPU 6 > $ STOP/CPU 5 > D > and watched the MP sync values. Wonder! MP sync going down, total  > CPU usagen > -i > identical.D > Conclusion: Sell the CPUs, buy more memory. Use features like ROW 
 > caching(bigt > performance gain). > H > If you've got some more questions about this, feel free to contact me. > C > Back to my questions: Another performance killer is SCSI storage   > being usedD > with VMS releases before 7.2 not having implemented FAST PATH for  > SCSI.f	 > Regards  > 	 > Andreas  >  > Kenneth wrote: > B > > My system with 2 X AS8400 running VMS 7.1 and Rdb 7.0.1.2 are  > running withE > > MP sync with CPU utilization about 200 to 400% of the total 800% n > of CPUF > > power, does anyone know how I can trace what is the cause for this
 > problem? >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:36:12 -0400o0 From: "Jeff Morgan" <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com>: Subject: Re: IBM announces MQSeries V5.1 for OpenVMS/Alpha- Message-ID: <9dib2r$f3en$1@news3.infoave.net>s  " Hey don't leave out Hoff and Fred!  6 They are excellent VMS indirect marketeers themselves!    - <steven.reece@quintiles.com> wrote in messageoB news:OF28F585C3.E469C30B-ON80256A48.003F4798@qedi.quintiles.com... >a >.J > I've not yet met Sue but I sure would like to.  Is there anybody else in' > VMS Marketing besides Sue and Warren>  > Steve. >c > Shane F Smith wrote: > >>>eK > Hiring Sue is arguably the best thing VMS marketing ever did. She's their0 > greatest asset, no question. > <<<o >a   ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2001 01:04:46 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>+ Subject: Info-Vax spammer Was: Your Request-- Message-ID: <87vgn6pkgh.fsf@prep.synonet.com>-    -0 Could some one on INFO-VAX kneecap this bastard.  F  Path: usenet.per.paradox.net.au!nntp!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!skynet.be!-  newsfeed.mathworks.com!mvb.saic.com!info-vax .   Message-ID: <633420015511222834240@computer>  From: amc <amc@weedmail.com>   Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  Subject: Your Request&  Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:28:34 -0500
  Lines: 96.  Organization: Info-VAX<==>comp.os.vms Gateway$  X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List,  Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable-  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"e  Mime-Version: 1.0   -- u< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.+@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------   Date: 14 May 2001 00:30:49 GMT- From: "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com>y# Subject: Re: Is OpenVMS an UNIX ???r0 Message-ID: <3aff2798$1@kerberos.linuxpuppy.net>  D A little bit of digging gives this address for feedback, comment and suggestions:       serverwatch@internet.com   --
 Bill Pedersens CCSS Corporation www.CCSScorp.com 831-336-27086 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OFD6D7767F.1EAAEE25-ON03256A49.0067E3CC@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...' > This is the BAD MARKETING of OpenVMS.* >*K > An CIO reading this "site" will consider turning off the OpenVMS Servers.u >d	 > Regards  >  > FC >s >o >a >a: > david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) em 11/05/2001 15:20:23 >e5 > Favor responder a david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)T >V >S >E >       Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc >  >! > % > Assunto: Re: Is OpenVMS an UNIX ???P >N >R > In articleC > <OF7BBFB7CE.D58EFF16-ON03256A49.004A233D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,o- > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:r
 > >Just clickC > >*> > >http://serverwatch.internet.com/serversort/ossort-main.html > >M
 > >Regards > >M > >FC  > >  >FI > Well when you follow the link you then discover that the only webserver)3 > they watch running on OpenVMS is something called  >  > Xitami >E< > (a freeware product that I'd never heard of up until now). >*> > And the pages make it look as though VMS doesn't support any. > Mail Servers, News servers, List servers etc >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  >  >l >  >p >f >c >k   ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2001 01:09:17 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Learn VMS books- Message-ID: <87r8xupk8y.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   6 L. E. Leaman lleaman <nospm@saferinternet.com> writes:  F > Just accuired Vax 4000-300, 2-2GB DSSI hard drives, TF85 tape drive,D > SCSI interface w/SCSI CDROM and VT320 Term.  I would like to learnE > VMS (ver 6.0) before loading NetBSD.  Can anyone recomend some goodu > books on VMS.e  E You may do well to keep VMS. DSSI is at best very basic, if it exists C at all on BSD. Check the ports details carefully. If you have a DECsB SCSI controller, it is pretty limited on what you can hang off it.  $ Start with Hoff's excellent VMS FAQ.   -- M< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.'@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov e   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:48:56 GMT . From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com>4 Subject: Re: mail sending in DCL - returned  mail...; Message-ID: <cbbL6.14329$I5.2916535@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>h   Jaan,   D Glad you found the solution to your problem.  Just to be complete...  E > p.s. platform is alpha openvms 7.2-1H1; how to check what is TCP/IPt version?    $ TCPIP SHOW VERSION    Aaron( --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html> Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org/C "bash is what you do to your keyboard if you're not using OpenVMS."    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:26:27 +0200 0 From: "Henk Blanken" <henk.blanken@zeelandia.nl> Subject: mail util slow ??2 Message-ID: <3afdb89f$0$43768@news2.zeelandnet.nl>  
 Hi all....  5 In a DS20 cluster we have machines ASZH01 and ASZH02,t6 when using the mail command on ASZH02 to send email to& our e-mail server everything is ok ...: When using the email util on ASZH01 the command take up to! 5 min. to send the mail .. ?? ... @ The TCP/IP configuration of the cluster machines is the same ...K Whe had the same problem with the FTP server but that was a routing problemo ..   Thanks ....r   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:20:31 -0400n  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: mail util slow ??5 Message-ID: <1010512201215.4737D-100000@Ives.egh.com>   ( On Fri, 11 May 2001, Henk Blanken wrote:   > Hi all.... > 7 > In a DS20 cluster we have machines ASZH01 and ASZH02, 8 > when using the mail command on ASZH02 to send email to( > our e-mail server everything is ok ...< > When using the email util on ASZH01 the command take up to# > 5 min. to send the mail .. ?? ...-B > The TCP/IP configuration of the cluster machines is the same ...M > Whe had the same problem with the FTP server but that was a routing problemD > .. > 
 > Thanks ....e  D Long delays in TCP/IP are often a sign of a name resolution problem.  D Check the DNS settings on both your machines.  Can they both see theF DNS server they should be using?  If not using DNS, is the destinationB of the mail properly defined in the local hosts file (or UCX/TCPIP@ SHOW HOST)?  Possibly the SMTP software on your local machine is@ trying to verify your own name and/or address, and there is some strange problem with that.  ? There are special records in DNS for mail server resolution (MX A records.)  The normal DNS records might be okay (so ping, telnet,t? ftp, etc. all work fine), but there could be a problem with thep< MX records.  Use NSLOOKUP, set type=MX to see if you see the( same thing on both nodes of the cluster.  = For more specific and detailed help, people will need to know > which version of VMS you are running, which IP stack, and what= version of it.  Are you using the SMTP server built into youre" stack or another one (MX or PDMF)?   Hope this helps.   -- r John Santosi Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 16:14:22 +0800r& From: VMS beginner <cavy@hongkong.com>- Subject: Re: Methodology of Capacity planning-, Message-ID: <3AFCF0DE.FF9FEE11@hongkong.com>  & --------------26A55226500CF82BBEC18231& Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit0  B Thanks you all, I don't know what resource figures which I need to project,H especially in a cluster (e.g. locking).  For the CPU and Memory, I could plot theH current utilization plus estimated growth. But I've got headache from IOI projection. IO queue is represented the status of the disk queue and diskhF I/O for disk thruput. Are they enough for projection the IO? How aboutF the Direct IO? So I confuse with those figures and I cannot manipulate them.a   Regards,  	 Beginner.0   Rob Buxton wrote:o  % > I'd say the short answer is no.....c >R? > All Capaicty Planning Methodology is the same irrespective ofo > platform. 7 > Know and understand your current load characteristics02 > Know and understand your growth characteristics. > B > Extrapolate the known growth to a future point and caclulate the	 > impact.b >tD > I've capacity planned using the info from monitor. But you need to# > have data from 3 to 6 months ago. = > Plot the CPU, Memory, Hard Faulting, Disk IO and IO Queues.e >c? > Determine the trends. Project them onwards. Use your hard won C > knowledge of VMS and your configuration to arrive at conclusions.i >lD > You will need to research the performance data of the hardware you > have.@ >pD > You mention you're a beginner, but you will need to understand theE > figures and without a Capacity Planning tool you will need to applySC > those projected figures on to current and proposed architectures.e > ? > No book is going to be that flexible. There will be plenty oneC > methodologies. But it's the interpretation of the figures that'll = > provide the info. you'll be using to justify the purchases.y >mF > On Fri, 11 May 2001 02:40:00 +0800, VMS beginner <cavy@hongkong.com> > wrote: >o
 > >Hi all, > >sG > >Can I find this type of book or web site? I just want to know how torD > >plan the  system resources (CPU, memory, IO, etc) upgrade without > >Capacity Planner.Thanks > >t  & --------------26A55226500CF82BBEC18231% Content-Type: text/html; charset=big5  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitl  > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html>M <font face="Times New Roman,Times">Thanks you all, I don't know what resource ' figures which I need to project,</font>nT <br><font face="Times New Roman,Times">especially in a cluster (e.g. locking).&nbsp;5 For the CPU and Memory, I could&nbsp; plot the</font>aI <br><font face="Times New Roman,Times">current utilization plus estimatedaI growth. But I've got headache from IO projection. IO queue is representedaK the status of the disk queue and disk I/O for disk thruput. Are they enoughTG for projection the IO? How about the Direct IO? So I confuse with those V figures and I cannot manipulate them.</font><font face="Times New Roman,Times"></font>_ <p><font face="Times New Roman,Times">Regards,</font><font face="Times New Roman,Times"></font>o6 <p><font face="Times New Roman,Times">Beginner.</font> <p>Rob Buxton wrote:9 <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I'd say the short answer is no.....-@ <p>All Capaicty Planning Methodology is the same irrespective of
 <br>platform.i9 <br>Know and understand your current load characteristics 4 <br>Know and understand your growth characteristics.C <p>Extrapolate the known growth to a future point and caclulate the6 <br>impact.eE <p>I've capacity planned using the info from monitor. But you need tot% <br>have data from 3 to 6 months ago.o? <br>Plot the CPU, Memory, Hard Faulting, Disk IO and IO Queues. @ <p>Determine the trends. Project them onwards. Use your hard wonE <br>knowledge of VMS and your configuration to arrive at conclusions.fE <p>You will need to research the performance data of the hardware youi	 <br>have.nE <p>You mention you're a beginner, but you will need to understand the6G <br>figures and without a Capacity Planning tool you will need to applyiE <br>those projected figures on to current and proposed architectures. @ <p>No book is going to be that flexible. There will be plenty onE <br>methodologies. But it's the interpretation of the figures that'll ? <br>provide the info. you'll be using to justify the purchases.iJ <p>On Fri, 11 May 2001 02:40:00 +0800, VMS beginner &lt;cavy@hongkong.com>
 <br>wrote: <p>>Hi all,  <br>> F <br>>Can I find this type of book or web site? I just want to know how toK <br>>plan the&nbsp; system resources (CPU, memory, IO, etc) upgrade withouto <br>>Capacity Planner.Thanks <br>></blockquote> </html>   ( --------------26A55226500CF82BBEC18231--   ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2001 01:32:12 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: Methodology of Capacity planning - Message-ID: <87itj6pj6r.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ( VMS beginner <cavy@hongkong.com> writes:  D > Thanks you all, I don't know what resource figures which I need toC > project, especially in a cluster (e.g. locking).  For the CPU andi= > Memory, I could plot the current utilization plus estimatedn? > growth. But I've got headache from IO projection. IO queue isu@ > represented the status of the disk queue and disk I/O for diskF > thruput. Are they enough for projection the IO? How about the DirectC > IO? So I confuse with those figures and I cannot manipulate them.   + This is where a good chunk of theory helps.t  D Example. If you machine is running at 99.9% CPU, and no IO, it wouldF seem that you could add a lot of IO load 'for free' No! Every IO costsC extra CPU and memory accesses, you will CPU limit very fast. UnlesstA you understand this sort of stuff it can get very confusing, veryl fast.n  B In you disk IO case, you do not have enough data. First, you don'tE know how large an IO request is, so you do not know the bandwidth yousF need. You also need to know where the limit is, and what it is.  Is it" the disk? the controller? the bus?  A Much of the ral work is done not be analysis, but by developing auE model of the subsystem and testing. The model is set up to mimick the C measured behaviour of the system. It is then used to derive figures-F for planning. But again, if you do not understand the basic, model can	 bite you.o   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.g@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov l   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:47:12 -0600d. From: "Phillip Williams" <edhouse00@qwest.net> Subject: More itemsr3 Message-ID: <XDmL6.2363$VE3.280521@news.uswest.net>:   Hello- Also I have the followingo 2 VAXconsoles (PRO380s)O 2 TSV05 tape drives 5 1 Postscript board for a LN03 (just to crow  my LN03Rt4 is still pumping out copies while my LaserJet 4 went south); I would refer not to ship - if you can pick it up its free. 8 If you really want the stuff then the price is what ever- it cost to pack and ship. I am in New Mexico.n6 If you pick it up I will also throw in some VR290/260s and some 1300s.  PhillipO   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 17:12:48 +0930e/ From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>  Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.9. Message-ID: <3AFCE978.4AE063B@wasd.vsm.com.au>  F FWIW, this is the first Mozilla for VMS that I would consider actually using.  H Has not spat (as yet), reasonably complete feature set, page layup seemsG consistent with my other browsers ... although is hopelessly slow on my = 150 MHz DEC 3000 at home.  Must try it at work sometime soon.   8 "Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40" wrote: > J > For your info, Mozilla 0.9 is available at www.openvms.compaq.com server > J > Performance seems better than 0.81 (and the disk cache can now be used). > 	 > Patrick  > --Q > ===============================================================================sQ > pmoreau@cena.dgac.fr  (CENA)     ______      ___   _           (Patrick MOREAU)i6 > moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J > CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __P > BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |P > 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|P > http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/Q > ===============================================================================    ------------------------------    Date: 12 May 2001 15:39:15 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.93 Message-ID: <llW2mVZ$758Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <3AFCE978.4AE063B@wasd.vsm.com.au>, Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> writes:H > FWIW, this is the first Mozilla for VMS that I would consider actually > using. >   G The performace improvement has made 0.9 actually useable on my DEC 3000tG 600S, but it keeps dying with no logs when I try to startup an applet.  F I thought this version included Java support.  Does it require the 1.3 JDK?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation0= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyings   ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2001 20:52:25 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.9* Message-ID: <3afed7e9$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  c In article <llW2mVZ$758Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:oa >In article <3AFCE978.4AE063B@wasd.vsm.com.au>, Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> writes:nI >> FWIW, this is the first Mozilla for VMS that I would consider actuallyi	 >> using.t  # Only in addition to NETSCAPE V3.03.CM And don't forget to delete the MOZILLA customizations from previous versions.RI I had _very_ strange things happen until I deleted my [._MOZILLA...] tree  and redid the complete setup.n  @ And I am also very disappointed how bad the quality of images is; (I use the classic style, in case this makes a difference).uJ NETSCAPE V3 has umpteen times better image quality on the same x11 server/N graphic card/monitor combination. There must be something wrong in my setup...  H >The performace improvement has made 0.9 actually useable on my DEC 3000H >600S, but it keeps dying with no logs when I try to startup an applet. G >I thought this version included Java support.  Does it require the 1.3u >JDK?n  K No, it requires OJI which is in SUN's JAVA 1.3.0_01 which unfortunately is .L not what VMS JAVA130 V1.3-1 is (this one is based on SUN's V1.3.0 => no OJI)H So, disable JAVA in MOZILLA 0.9 on VMS or MOZILLA crashes (IIRC OPCCUS),I rant on the version number clash, and wait for another couple of weeks...t   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888m< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2001 01:43:47 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>0 Subject: Re: Mystery module: PMAZB-A or PMAZC-A?- Message-ID: <87ae4iping.fsf@prep.synonet.com>/  4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:  F > The SCSI chips on the module are NCR 53C96, which doesn't agree withA > the console output above.  I found some data sheets for variouspC > chips in this family, like the 53CF96 and 53CF94.  But nothing onhE > the 53C96.  I've gotten the impression the fast SCSI chips have "F"aE > in the part number, but I didn't see any docs that come out and sayr > so.c  C I have seen refs to 53CF96 chips as a fast 53C96. Check the consolevC settings, and see if they are set to slow for those channels. Don't- forget the 2 on board ones!:   -- 0< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.c@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:57:29 -0400o2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)0 Subject: Re: Mystery module: PMAZB-A or PMAZC-A?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1205012357300001@user-2ivecke.dialup.mindspring.com>  < In article <87ae4iping.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:  6 > rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: > H > > The SCSI chips on the module are NCR 53C96, which doesn't agree withC > > the console output above.  I found some data sheets for various E > > chips in this family, like the 53CF96 and 53CF94.  But nothing on@G > > the 53C96.  I've gotten the impression the fast SCSI chips have "F"-G > > in the part number, but I didn't see any docs that come out and sayn > > so.m > E > I have seen refs to 53CF96 chips as a fast 53C96. Check the consoleDE > settings, and see if they are set to slow for those channels. Don'tu > forget the 2 on board ones!b  J Yes, the console reports both channels set to slow, as the captured output showed:w   >>> t tc1 cnfgH  DEC       PMAZC-AA  V1.8     Port A Slow   Port B Slow       (Dual SCSI	 [53CF96])e  F But then, if I suspect the wrong firmware is loaded on the module, why. should I trust anything the firmware tells me?  I If I knew for sure that a PMAZB-A flashed with PMAZC-A firmware, and theneH set to slow mode on both channels, acts exactly like a proper PMAZB-A, I( guess there'd be nothing to worry about.  I On the other hand, if a PMAZB-A flashed with PMAZC-A firmware really _is_l9 a PMAZC-A, then I have a cheap way to upgrade the module!m   -- m Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 11:25:37 -0400a- From: "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU>h# Subject: OpenVMS 7.3 and Appletalk? H Message-ID: <FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D2CA3F0@petra.admin.wpi.edu>  H Does anyone know if Appletalk will continue to work with OpenVMS 7.3?  = We're E not in a great hurry to upgrade to 7.3 just yet, but we do still needo= Appletalk to speak to several of our printers (mainly Canon =4 ImageRunners) viah? DCPS so we'd be unable to upgrade if Appletalk breaks.  Thanks..   Davidn   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 08:57:11 GMTi1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au>s  Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3 Doc Set9 Message-ID: <HV6L6.1777$CN.336179@nostril.pacific.net.au>   1 Warren Sander <sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com> wrote:uE > Soffy folks, Due to circumstances beyond my control I won't be ablel9 > to update to the 7.3 doc set until sometime next week. .  1 	That's OK, I don't think there should be a rush.e4 	I doubt that many sites are running V7.3 already...  B 	It is better if a job done well, even if slower/later, then being< 	slapped together shoddily. Well, that's my  $0.02 anyway...   					Cheers,		Csaban  I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------wE    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehogrE    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush. I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------e;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:n   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:06:41 GMTt From: lnnsro@you.com+ Subject: Place your FREE personal ADs here!s/ Message-ID: <BBhL6.9202$te2.3741@nnrp1.sbc.net>l   Check out the nets #1 online dating service with over 8,000,000 users world wide. Come join the fun place you FREE personal AD today.   = http://www.altmatch.com/index.htm?AssociateID=112049&MID=3102.@ lmjmtbiumdpsmfkknyosimthnsskfpsxlujnjhpyyvyewucrsipjflxlbyrpnzgk   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 08:34:49 +01002  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>8 Subject: Re: Programming language usage on VMS systems ?+ Message-ID: <VA.0000038d.3897221e@sture.ch>.  J In article <a3t32VUmfIZx@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen wrote:; > From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsf: > Subject: Re: Programming language usage on VMS systems ?" > Date: 11 May 2001 09:27:10 -0500 > | > In article <FDQK6.1089$j65.78844@www.newsranger.com>, Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> writes:, > > On 9 May 2001 18:19:28 -0500, in articleC > > <l52whR8eKh+Z@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen wrote:h > >> > > M > > Thanks to everybody for the feedback; it was interesting to see the range  > > of languages in use. > > C > >>All VMS machines running a relatively recent version of VMS runnC > >>a smidgen of Ada, for instances processing breakin evasion.  Ifu9 > >>they  do too much of that, it is a Bad Thing(tm). :-)d > >> > > N > > I had forgotten about this. Ada is listed in the FAQ [VMS8], but, probablyM > > like quite a few long time VMS people, I don't read the FAQ as often as Io > > should. :-)e > > M > > It was a nice surprise to be reminded of this. Do you know which compilers > > is in use ?s > C > It (the Security Server code) uses Compaq Ada (Ada83) on both VAX  > and Alpha.  B And the Ada83 bit makes it a little frustrating to learn when most! of the tutorials deal with Ada95.a  5 > For VMS V7.3 they reportedly have made the trackingeA > of breakin evasion cluster-wide, but breakin attempts are stillhA > undesirable incidents, no matter what language you use to trackc > them :-).n > , From the V7.3 New Features manual, page 4-8:  K "If bit 7 in SECURITY_POLICY is cleared, all cluster members are made awareBA if a system is under attack or has any intrusion events recorded.n ..3 The default for bit 7 in SECURITY_POLICY is clear."F  F Which reminds me, a wildcarded FTP copy (Compac TCP/IP) with the wrongN password _will_ trigger intrusion events, as it appears that the authorization is done per file.   = > And yes, the Security Server process does a couple of othert
 > things too.l >e ___n
 Paul Sture Switzerland-   ------------------------------    Date: 12 May 2001 08:25:04 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)38 Subject: Re: Programming language usage on VMS systems ?3 Message-ID: <3u$sF$+PWlpR@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  N In article <VA.0000038d.3897221e@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:L > In article <a3t32VUmfIZx@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen wrote:  D >> It (the Security Server code) uses Compaq Ada (Ada83) on both VAX
 >> and Alpha.i > D > And the Ada83 bit makes it a little frustrating to learn when most# > of the tutorials deal with Ada95.o  A Back before there _was_ an Ada95, I found learning Ada83 from the = VAX Ada documentation worked just fine.  The mainstay of thath< documentation is the Language Reference Manual, based on theC standard Ada83 Language Reference Manual but with some DEC-specific>@ changes in blue.  Knowing Ada83 is a good start on understanding Ada95.  D For someone starting with Ada95, using the Language Reference Manual@ for tutorial purposes is out of the question, since the documentA was purposefully rearranged to be _less_ tutorial and more formal  in its language specification.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 01:44:56 +0200t) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>f8 Subject: Re: Programming language usage on VMS systems ?, Message-ID: <3AFDCAF8.1B7A6401@infopuls.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > P > In article <VA.0000038d.3897221e@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:N > > In article <a3t32VUmfIZx@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen wrote: > F > >> It (the Security Server code) uses Compaq Ada (Ada83) on both VAX > >> and Alpha.h > >pF > > And the Ada83 bit makes it a little frustrating to learn when most% > > of the tutorials deal with Ada95.t > C > Back before there _was_ an Ada95, I found learning Ada83 from thet? > VAX Ada documentation worked just fine.  The mainstay of thata> > documentation is the Language Reference Manual, based on theE > standard Ada83 Language Reference Manual but with some DEC-specific B > changes in blue.  Knowing Ada83 is a good start on understanding > Ada95. > F > For someone starting with Ada95, using the Language Reference ManualB > for tutorial purposes is out of the question, since the documentC > was purposefully rearranged to be _less_ tutorial and more formaly  > in its language specification.  < I'm just evaluating a few high performance languages with oo= features and found that Ada95 had a substantial add on of oo. > Could you tell me if Ada95 supports dynamic loading like Java?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 00:13:59 -0400o2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)8 Subject: Re: Programming language usage on VMS systems ?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1305010013590001@user-2ivecke.dialup.mindspring.com>  ; In article <3AFDCAF8.1B7A6401@infopuls.com>, Christof Brassn <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:e  > > I'm just evaluating a few high performance languages with oo? > features and found that Ada95 had a substantial add on of oo. @ > Could you tell me if Ada95 supports dynamic loading like Java?  H I don't know what Java means by "dynamic loading".  Is it something likeI what you can do with LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL in VMS?  If so, it sounds likeyJ Ada95's distributed systems annex could support such a feature in a fairlyH platform-independent way.  The  distributed systems annex does much more than this...   -- o Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coml   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 11:04:13 +0100a  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>8 Subject: Re: Programming language usage on VMS systems ?+ Message-ID: <VA.00000391.3e464574@sture.ch>i  J In article <3u$sF$+PWlpR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen wrote:; > From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)k > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsu: > Subject: Re: Programming language usage on VMS systems ?" > Date: 12 May 2001 08:25:04 -0500 > P > In article <VA.0000038d.3897221e@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:N > > In article <a3t32VUmfIZx@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen wrote: > F > >> It (the Security Server code) uses Compaq Ada (Ada83) on both VAX > >> and Alpha.  > > F > > And the Ada83 bit makes it a little frustrating to learn when most% > > of the tutorials deal with Ada95.l > C > Back before there _was_ an Ada95, I found learning Ada83 from thec? > VAX Ada documentation worked just fine.  The mainstay of that-> > documentation is the Language Reference Manual, based on theE > standard Ada83 Language Reference Manual but with some DEC-specificsB > changes in blue.  Knowing Ada83 is a good start on understanding > Ada95. > H Thanks for the tip. I've traditionally headed for the User Guide insteadM of the LRM when learning a new language. That was particularly true of COBOL eD many years ago, where the LRM clearly showed its mainframe heritage.  F > For someone starting with Ada95, using the Language Reference ManualB > for tutorial purposes is out of the question, since the documentC > was purposefully rearranged to be _less_ tutorial and more formal-  > in its language specification. > ! But I'm starting with VMS Ada :-)k ___e
 Paul Sture Switzerlando   ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2001 06:07:06 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)I8 Subject: Re: Programming language usage on VMS systems ?3 Message-ID: <NNe5++PDjIYv@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  N In article <VA.00000391.3e464574@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:L > In article <3u$sF$+PWlpR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen wrote:  D >> Back before there _was_ an Ada95, I found learning Ada83 from the@ >> VAX Ada documentation worked just fine.  The mainstay of that? >> documentation is the Language Reference Manual, based on theaF >> standard Ada83 Language Reference Manual but with some DEC-specificC >> changes in blue.  Knowing Ada83 is a good start on understanding 	 >> Ada95.  >>  J > Thanks for the tip. I've traditionally headed for the User Guide insteadO > of the LRM when learning a new language. That was particularly true of COBOL PF > many years ago, where the LRM clearly showed its mainframe heritage. > G >> For someone starting with Ada95, using the Language Reference Manual|C >> for tutorial purposes is out of the question, since the documentlD >> was purposefully rearranged to be _less_ tutorial and more formal! >> in its language specification.  >># > But I'm starting with VMS Ada :-)   H I would say there are several folk active in comp.os.vms with experienceH in that area, so feel free to ask any questions here (and avoid those inI comp.lang.ada who will tell you to switch to Linux because it is "free").n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 01:50:12 +0200t) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> 8 Subject: Re: Programming language usage on VMS systems ?, Message-ID: <3AFF1DB4.EDBEF201@infopuls.com>   Robert Deininger wrote:u > = > In article <3AFDCAF8.1B7A6401@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass  > <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:- > @ > > I'm just evaluating a few high performance languages with ooA > > features and found that Ada95 had a substantial add on of oo.AB > > Could you tell me if Ada95 supports dynamic loading like Java? > J > I don't know what Java means by "dynamic loading".  Is it something likeK > what you can do with LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL in VMS?  If so, it sounds like(L > Ada95's distributed systems annex could support such a feature in a fairlyJ > platform-independent way.  The  distributed systems annex does much more > than this... >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.comv  9 Thanks for the pointer, so I know at least what to study.n  = What I described with "dynamic loading like Java" erroneuoslyr> assuming that all world knows what Java can do is simply to be? able to load code modules (called "classes" in Java) at runtimeu@ without having to bind them at link time. You could e.g. let the< user put in a class name and the system will be able to load that class.y  @ The difference to LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL seems to be that this is done transparently.k   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 13:35:39 +0000 (UTC)e From: mwe@indy.net Subject: SLEEP BUTTONi; Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010513083722.00794780@pop.indy.net>o  H I own a Compaq Presario 7360. When I press the sleep button, the monitorI turn off but the fan and the motor keep running. I don't like this noise.iI Is there any way that I can set this computer up so that when I press thetI sleep button the fan and the motor get turned off and stays off until the A computer comes back on again? Thank you very much. Michael Weston    -- o4 Posted from SMTP-OUT003.ONEMAIN.COM [63.208.208.73] 1 via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG    ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2001 10:11:25 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)M Subject: Re: SLEEP BUTTON43 Message-ID: <VfXLilrMJcDw@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  A This is the wrong newsgroup.  The Presario line does not run VMS.a  P In article <3.0.6.32.20010513083722.00794780@pop.indy.net>, mwe@indy.net writes:J > I own a Compaq Presario 7360. When I press the sleep button, the monitorK > turn off but the fan and the motor keep running. I don't like this noise.mK > Is there any way that I can set this computer up so that when I press thesK > sleep button the fan and the motor get turned off and stays off until theaC > computer comes back on again? Thank you very much. Michael Weston  >  > -- C6 > Posted from SMTP-OUT003.ONEMAIN.COM [63.208.208.73] 3 > via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORGn -- pN ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------   Date: 13 May 2001 14:50:42 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.310887.killspam.0162 (Wayne Sewell)  Subject: Re: SLEEP BUTTON . Message-ID: <k4AFe8yCA3t$@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  P In article <3.0.6.32.20010513083722.00794780@pop.indy.net>, mwe@indy.net writes:J > I own a Compaq Presario 7360. When I press the sleep button, the monitorK > turn off but the fan and the motor keep running. I don't like this noise.gK > Is there any way that I can set this computer up so that when I press the K > sleep button the fan and the motor get turned off and stays off until therC > computer comes back on again? Thank you very much. Michael Westono    L Throw the entire system into a dumpster.  Once it departs on its trip to theE landfill to fulfill its true destiny, you will have absolute quiet.  o  O If and when you get a real computer, as opposed to a nintendo with delusions ofu! grandeur, come back and visit us.t   -- 9O ===============================================================================sM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxc: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)eO ===============================================================================cK Hotel guy (after bed demolition):  That bed goes back to Henry the eighth!! O    Curly: That's nothin'!  We had a bed go back to Sears and Roebuck the fifth!a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 16:18:00 -0400n3 From: "Andrew Robert" <arobert@townisp.nowhere.com>eC Subject: Solution to install problem when upgrading to OpenVMS v7.3f/ Message-ID: <tfr6judd1msva9@corp.supernews.com>n   Hello,  I If you are intending on installing VMS 7.3 when you receive it, please be I aware of the enclosed installation problem and workaround. A cover letter G explaining the problem and workaround will also be shipped with the 7.3t kits.g    C  Copyright 2001 Compaq Computer Corporation.  All rights reserved.   A    SOURCE:  Compaq Computer Corporation         INFORMATION BLITZl      INFORMATION BLITZ TITLE:3  /       System boot failure after upgrade to V7.30      DATE: May 2, 2001  "    INFORMATION BLITZ #: TD 2928-CR    ,    DEPARTMENT: OSSG - Sustaining Engineering  D    =================================================================  3    PRODUCT NAME IMPACTED: OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3r  B    PRODUCT FAMILY:                                PRODUCT NUMBERS:  B    Storage         ___                            ________________B    Systems         ___                            ________________B    Networks        ___                            ________________B    PC              ___                            ________________B    Software        _X_                            ________________B    Other (specify) ___                            ________________        PROBLEM STATEMENT:   @    During an OpenVMS Version 7.3 upgrade, operating system filesB    from the previous version of OpenVMS are deleted. Due to errorsH    in the following remedial kits, files from the newly installed system>    may be deleted. This may cause the system to be unbootable.  .       o  DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721_DRIVER-V0200-4.PCSI  .       o  DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721_MANAGE-V0100-4.PCSI  +       o  DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721_VX1-V0200-4.PCSIe  1       o  DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721H1_CPU2308-V0100-4.PCSIi  /       o  DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721H1_ACRTL-V0200-4.PCSI-        PROBLEM SYMPTOM:-  <    System fails to boot after Version 7.3 upgrade completes.        SOLUTION:  @    To prevent the Version 7.3 files from being deleted, you mustA    perform the following steps on your system prior to installing ,    the OpenVMS Version 7.3 Operating System:  B    1. Edit the file SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]VMS$REMEDIAL_OLD_FILES.TXT.  ?    Change the incorrect lines (as shown in the following table) ;    with the corrected lines. Note that the lines may appear1@    within the file in any order, not necessarily in the order of    this table.D    _________________________________________________________________      Incorrect linesD    _________________________________________________________________  @    [SYSLIB]SYS$ICBM.EXE                      VMS721_DRIVER-V0200  @    [SYSLIB]SMI$SHR.EXE                       VMS721_MANAGE-V0100  =    [SYS$LDR]SYS$GFDRIVER.EXE _OLD            VMS721_VX1-V0200u  =    [SYSEXE]SYS$CONFIG.DAT_0LD                VMS721_VX1-V0200S  A    [SYSLIB]DECC$SHR_OLD                      VMS721H1_ACRTL-V0200K  C    [SYS$LDR]SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_2308.EXE        VMS721H1_CPU2308-V0100v  C    [SYSEXE]SYS$SMHANDLER_SLAVE_2308.EXE      VMS721H1_CPU2308-V0100nD    _________________________________________________________________    D    _________________________________________________________________      Corrected linesC    ________________________________________________________________r  @    [SYSLIB]SYS$ICBM.EXE_OLD                  VMS721_DRIVER-V0200  @    [SYSLIB]SMI$SHR.EXE_OLD                   VMS721_MANAGE-V0100  =    [SYS$LDR]SYS$GFDRIVER.EXE_OLD             VMS721_VX1-V0200b  =    [SYSEXE]SYS$CONFIG.DAT_OLD                VMS721_VX1-V0200e  A    [SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE_OLD                  VMS721H1_ACRTL-V0200o  C    [SYS$LDR]SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_2308.EXE_OLD    VMS721H1_CPU2308-V0100t  C    [SYSEXE]SYS$SMHANDLER_SLAVE_2308.EXE_OLD  VMS721H1_CPU2308-V0100iD    _________________________________________________________________  D    _________________________________________________________________      Corrections explainedD    _________________________________________________________________  >    [SYSLIB]SYS$ICBM.EXE_OLD                  adds _OLD to name  >    [SYSLIB]SMI$SHR.EXE_OLD                   adds _OLD to name  <    [SYS$LDR]SYS$GFDRIVER.EXE_OLD             deletes a space  B    [SYSEXE]SYS$CONFIG.DAT_OLD                changes 0 (zero) to O  >    [SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE_OLD                  adds .EXE in name  >    [SYS$LDR]SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_2308.EXE_OLD    adds _OLD to name  >    [SYSEXE]SYS$SMHANDLER_SLAVE_2308.EXE_OLD  adds _OLD to nameD    _________________________________________________________________    C    2. Close the SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]VMS$REMEDIAL_OLD_FILES.TXT file.o  -    3. Purge the previous version of the file.   C    After changing the SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]VMS$REMEDIAL_OLD_FILES.TXTeA    file, you can install the OpenVMS Version 7.3 Operating Systema6    kit using the documented installation instructions.        ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:g  B    A remedial kit that automates this workaround will be available    at the following web site:u  >       http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/.new/openvms.shtml    J   *****************************< NOTE >***********************************J   *                                                                      *J   * INFORMATION IN THIS DOCUMENT REPRESENTS OPERATIONAL EXPERIENCES AND  *J   * SUGGESTIONS BY COMPAQ OR PARTNER EMPLOYEES.  COMPAQ SHALL NOT BE     *J   * RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY ERRORS OR OMISSIONS CONTAINED IN THIS DOCUMENT,  *J   * AND RESERVES THE RIGHT TO MAKE CHANGES TO IT WITHOUT NOTICE.         *J   *                                                                      *J   ************************************************************************   ------------------------------    Date: 14 May 2001 02:21:48 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>G Subject: Re: Solution to install problem when upgrading to OpenVMS v7.3 - Message-ID: <87g0e9nm83.fsf@prep.synonet.com>-  5 "Andrew Robert" <arobert@townisp.nowhere.com> writes:f  A > If you are intending on installing VMS 7.3 when you receive it, : > please be aware of the enclosed installation problem andB > workaround. A cover letter explaining the problem and workaround) > will also be shipped with the 7.3 kits.e   ... F >    _________________________________________________________________ >  >    Incorrect linesF >    _________________________________________________________________ > B >    [SYSLIB]SYS$ICBM.EXE                      VMS721_DRIVER-V0200  E Be carfull, I just checked, and the above line was in the file TWICE.sB Check carefully, and make sure you don't miss one. Esp as it seems- that an error can nuke the 'underlying' file!o   -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.i@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:30:04 +0100iQ From: Aidan Karley <aidan@karley.go-and-spam-me-you-sweaty-toads.freeserve.co.uk>w. Subject: Re: Some more bits looking for a homeY Message-ID: <VA.000001bd.07ce7c2f@karley.go-and-spam-me-you-sweaty-toads.freeserve.co.uk>-  I In article <slrn9fl1kt.tr5.pino+alt_sys_pdp11@mud.stack.nl>, Martijn van   Buul wrote:nJ > I hope you're not too keen on bandwidth, and I hope that you don't want  > any nifty things like NAT... >eF      We get 28k ~ 33k6 bit/S through the phone lines depending on the H phase of the Moon; when I asked the local ADSL provider to check when a K higher bandwidth would be available on my exchange they laughed. Out loud. r1 Which I take to mean "some time in 2010, maybe".  F      I thought that things like NAT were done at the ISP's end of the G phone cable, not mine? But then I've only ever seen one system in town eG with anything other than a modem connection, so that might be complete k	 bollocks.       uH      What's the maximum bandwidth of the serial multiplexor on a PDP? I I assume they can talk to modems, even if it takes a little jiggery-pokery.       o Aidan Karley	 Aberdeen,r	 Scotland..B Message written at Fri, 11 May 2001 11:20 +0100, but posted later.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:53:02 +0100n: From: David Powell <ddotpowell@netnospamscapeonline.co.uk>. Subject: Re: Some more bits looking for a home8 Message-ID: <tk8rftk1idpqc4tcogc2bd9luhjc7crqcn@4ax.com>  . On Thu, 10 May 2001 20:50:57 -0700, "Ian King"2 <iking@killthewabbit.org>  in alt.sys.pdp11 wrote:  K >Depending on the machine, your power bill may be interesting, too.  I onlynK >run my 11/34 when I'm playing with it; having a 3-4kW drain on my mains is 5 >something I only do when I'm going to enjoy it.  :-)  >r: >"Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message( >news:87ae4lgo3z.fsf@prep.synonet.com...9 >> pino+alt_sys_pdp11@dohd.org (Martijn van Buul) writes:r >>@ >> > It occurred to me that Aidan Karley wrote in alt.sys.pdp11: >>  D Different country, different climate, different energy costs. In theC UK, electric heating is not much more expensive than gas. For everyuE kWh that my 11 uses, it's one less for the fan heater.  It only costsa= money in the summer, when the windows are open.   Aidan is innD Aberdeen, there's very few days in the year up there when he doesn't need a bit of extra warmth.   D At home, I have a PDP-8 in a small, unheated, extension. It keeps itE warm enough to work there, and as a bonus, makes a lot of fan windageoC noise which 'others' can't stand. Stops the place getting clutteredn1 with motorcycle bits, sewing machines, etc. <g>.     Regards,   David P.  o   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 11:04:13 +0100e  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>. Subject: Re: Some more bits looking for a home+ Message-ID: <VA.00000390.3e46432f@sture.ch>S   In article nO <VA.000001bd.07ce7c2f@karley.go-and-spam-me-you-sweaty-toads.freeserve.co.uk>, i Aidan Karley wrote:oS > From: Aidan Karley <aidan@karley.go-and-spam-me-you-sweaty-toads.freeserve.co.uk>?5 > Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp11,comp.os.vms,vmsnet.pdp-11 0 > Subject: Re: Some more bits looking for a home' > Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:30:04 +0100c > K > In article <slrn9fl1kt.tr5.pino+alt_sys_pdp11@mud.stack.nl>, Martijn van o
 > Buul wrote:aL > > I hope you're not too keen on bandwidth, and I hope that you don't want   > > any nifty things like NAT... > >nH >      We get 28k ~ 33k6 bit/S through the phone lines depending on the J > phase of the Moon; when I asked the local ADSL provider to check when a M > higher bandwidth would be available on my exchange they laughed. Out loud. t3 > Which I take to mean "some time in 2010, maybe". i  R On of the nicest things about leaving the UK was also getting out of the clutches Q of BT. "ISDN Lite" (3 lines, takes about 2 days to sort out) here in Switzerland FT costs about 15 quid a month standing charge (calls extra). The ISPs are free unless T you want your own domain and typically offer free webspace too. I assume they get a L cut of your phone bill. Go up to 30 or so pounds a month and you can have a G permanently on cable connection (need a firewall I trust first though).k  S 5-7 KBytes is a typical download speed. If I want to do a heavy download session I  ( enable the second ISDN line and get 14K.  H >      I thought that things like NAT were done at the ISP's end of the I > phone cable, not mine? But then I've only ever seen one system in town BI > with anything other than a modem connection, so that might be complete s > bollocks.s >-T One thing I have observed with email from folks working at quite large companies in S the UK is the number of folks who have something like "dialin" in the mail headers.   J >      What's the maximum bandwidth of the serial multiplexor on a PDP? I K > assume they can talk to modems, even if it takes a little jiggery-pokery.f >      pJ Did PDPs ever offer more than 9600 baud? (it is 20 years since I used one) ___l
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 04:00:33 +0100sQ From: Aidan Karley <aidan@karley.go-and-spam-me-you-sweaty-toads.freeserve.co.uk>y. Subject: Re: Some more bits looking for a homeY Message-ID: <VA.000001c6.10121915@karley.go-and-spam-me-you-sweaty-toads.freeserve.co.uk>n  C In article <87n18ipjz5.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi wrote:y) > 1 Mb/sec in standard stuff from memory.g >kE      I'm not going to get that much in a pipe to the door for years.  F Not an issue. If it can handle ~128kbsp then I'm not going to have to A worry about it, and even then, only if I get an ISDN line (which t: would double or triple my phone bill in standing charges).       ! > PDP-11s ... and routed the lot.I >IE      Fine. Network in on one connector, other network out on another -D connector, translation through OS between the two. One network need $ not know about the other's topology.      i Aidan Karley	 Aberdeen,0	 Scotland.2B Message written at Sun, 13 May 2001 21:33 +0100, but posted later.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 13:38:04 GMT  From: qbdenk@you.com9 Subject: Still looking for love in all the wrong places?? 1 Message-ID: <07wL6.7622$Do6.286877@nnrp2.sbc.net>a  Stop wasting time waiting for love to fall on your lap come to the worlds #1 onling dating service with over 8,000,000 users world wide from the USA to the worl you will find that someone here! come and place you FREE personal AD today and tomrrow you may find the one your looking for!  = http://www.oneandonly.com/index.htm?AssociateID=5700&MID=3102l  H dont forget to bookmark this site you will be going back to it alot.. ;)U igbpxgvywknseulnjwjronimjsddnktfkpeownfcqmzzilkhjfuhtsdxjsbqclpxovveityimqnjmhwrpycrv    ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2001 01:37:55 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>' Subject: Re: Sun's McNealy, 98% pay cut - Message-ID: <87eltupix8.fsf@prep.synonet.com>n  # Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:e  3 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/18880.html   E > Woah! McNealy doesn't expect any bonuses this year, which according E > to him makes his pay $100,000. I'm not going to spin that, read thecB > article and make up your own mind. It just freaked me out a bit,D > comparing my salary with the boss of a major multinational and not > getting depressed..... ;-)  C Give the man his due, he put his money where his Co performance is.fA Unlike sereral over here who years ago lost a bundle, slashed the=A company to the bone, then gave them selves a nice fat increase...=   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov b   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 08:34:50 +0100n  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>+ Subject: Re: The future of VMS - * Humour *t+ Message-ID: <VA.0000038e.38972445@sture.ch>d  M In article <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1E35@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>, n Christopher Smith wrote:- > From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>a > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms - > Subject: RE: The future of VMS - * Humour *e' > Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:16:23 -0500o >  > > -----Original Message-----H > > From: steven.reece@quintiles.com [mailto:steven.reece@quintiles.com] > B > > Similarly, the Voluntary Milking System is normally viewed as  > > being in a@ > > different business segment than that which Compaq trades in  > > so there would@ > > be little reason for Compaq to object to the use of the VMS  > > trademark in > > this instance. > J > > Sega on the other hand are using the acronym VMS in a computer relatedA > > field.  This is the same market that Compaq trade in and may m > > cause customerA > > confusion between the Virtual Memory System (Compaq) and the   > > Visual MemoryaB > > System (Sega).  This would not really be in the best interest 
 > > of either0< > > company from where I stand.  However, Compaq may see it  > > differently or may2 > > already have licensed the mark to Sega anyway. > K > They could always do a joint venture -- it would be good publicity.  TheytM > could make a milking machine that was controlled by an Alphastation runningoE > VMS.  It would be the most stable and robust milking machine in theeM > industry! :) They could make use of sega's VMS to display statistics on thei > milking process. >rK And let's not forget the Vehicle Management System(s) (one for trucks, the oK other for road traffic) and the Vessel Management System (for boats) which b% could be used to distribute the milk.   J > It would be "the VMS that runs VMS, and also makes use of a VMS."  If itJ > were made by a british vacuum cleaner company, that might make it a "VAX > VMS."= > K And how I wish I still had my old VAX vacuum cleaner - I'd then be able to U> take a photo of a VAXcluster, complete with thick I/O hose :-)  N Preferably with a set of similarly coloured VMS V4 manuals in the background. > Yep, that should go into the archives alongside the VAXbar :-) ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2001 00:59:49 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>+ Subject: Re: The future of VMS - * Humour * - Message-ID: <874ruqqz96.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   " Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:  D > And how I wish I still had my old VAX vacuum cleaner - I'd then beD > able to take a photo of a VAXcluster, complete with thick I/O hose > :-)   C > Preferably with a set of similarly coloured VMS V4 manuals in themB > background.  Yep, that should go into the archives alongside the > VAXbar :-)  C You will have to get a 7000, then you could play count the hoses :).     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.-@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov o   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:29:17 +0100O From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>e+ Subject: Re: The future of VMS - * Humour *E) Message-ID: <3AFE45DD.797D2F86@Omond.net>    Paul Sture wrote:g   > [... snip snip ...]rL > And how I wish I still had my old VAX vacuum cleaner - I'd then be able to@ > take a photo of a VAXcluster, complete with thick I/O hose :-) >_  < I/*O* hose ???  I sincerely hope it's an Input hose only :-)  	 Roy Omond_ Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 11:32:15 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>+ Subject: Re: The future of VMS - * Humour * + Message-ID: <VA.00000392.3e5ff01d@sture.ch>F  : In article <3AFE45DD.797D2F86@Omond.net>, Roy Omond wrote:! > From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>2 > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsD- > Subject: Re: The future of VMS - * Humour *-' > Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:29:17 +01000 >  > Paul Sture wrote:2 >  > > [... snip snip ...]SN > > And how I wish I still had my old VAX vacuum cleaner - I'd then be able toB > > take a photo of a VAXcluster, complete with thick I/O hose :-) > >_ > > > I/*O* hose ???  I sincerely hope it's an Input hose only :-) > / Rats! I suppose I knew I had that coming... :-)_ ____
 Paul Sture SwitzerlandI   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:26:28 -0400O  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>+ Subject: Re: The future of VMS - * Humour * . Message-ID: <1010513152310.7213A@Ives.egh.com>  & On Sun, 13 May 2001, Paul Sture wrote:  < > In article <3AFE45DD.797D2F86@Omond.net>, Roy Omond wrote:# > > From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>N > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsP/ > > Subject: Re: The future of VMS - * Humour *0) > > Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:29:17 +0100_ > >  > > Paul Sture wrote:_ > >  > > > [... snip snip ...] P > > > And how I wish I still had my old VAX vacuum cleaner - I'd then be able toD > > > take a photo of a VAXcluster, complete with thick I/O hose :-) > > >_ > > @ > > I/*O* hose ???  I sincerely hope it's an Input hose only :-) > > 1 > Rats! I suppose I knew I had that coming... :-)D > ___e > Paul Sture
 > SwitzerlandE  B I'm unfamiliar with the VAX hardware ;-), but many vacuum cleaners@ have an output port, too.  You can plug the hose into it and use< it to inflate low-pressure stuff, such as air mattresses and inflateable boats.   -- O John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 23:02:18 -0400_- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>S+ Subject: Re: The future of VMS - * Humour * , Message-ID: <3AFF4AB8.8D3ED6C9@videotron.ca>   John Santos wrote:D > I'm unfamiliar with the VAX hardware ;-), but many vacuum cleanersB > have an output port, too.  You can plug the hose into it and use> > it to inflate low-pressure stuff, such as air mattresses and > inflateable boats.  M My VAX have an output port too (I beleive some call it a printer). It is usedtJ to move paper from a paper tray out to someone who quickly files it in theM wastebasket. So it can be said that VAXes have an output port that is used to  fill wastebaskets.   ------------------------------   Date: 13 May 2001 06:28:17 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) 8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-tCv3qYsiEdlO@localhost>N  - On Wed, 9 May 2001 17:35:19, andrew harrison S! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:T   > Christof Brass wrote:  > >  > B > > SUN will sooner or later replace Solaris by Linux. You can see > > signs of this already. >   > Ohh and what signs are they ?? >   C An article in this month's UK PC Magazine describes the Sun Cobalt rE Qube 3. A Web/Email/File server that runs on an AMD cpu under Linux. s Does that qualify :-)d   -- O Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2001 06:11:33 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)o8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants3 Message-ID: <AA9vP51jsk9z@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  e In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-tCv3qYsiEdlO@localhost>, djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes: / > On Wed, 9 May 2001 17:35:19, andrew harrison _# > <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:I >  >> Christof Brass wrote: >> > _ >> _C >> > SUN will sooner or later replace Solaris by Linux. You can see. >> > signs of this already.2 >> V! >> Ohh and what signs are they ??k >> n > E > An article in this month's UK PC Magazine describes the Sun Cobalt uG > Qube 3. A Web/Email/File server that runs on an AMD cpu under Linux.   > Does that qualify :-)c  E I would say not.  In that case, Sun bought the company with a working A product.  To attempt to switch that to SPARC would be like Compaq ? buying DEC and dumping all the Alpha machines in favor of IA32.a@ After all, Compaq already _sells_ machines that run IA32, and itD is simply a matter of convincing the customers of the newly acquired3 company that they want to switch operating systems.:  E Sun has a basic approach (so far) of not pushing Windows, but sellingt: special-purpose Linux boxes is not incompatible with that.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 02:03:17 +0200a) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>l8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants, Message-ID: <3AFF20C5.F14D884A@infopuls.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > g > In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-tCv3qYsiEdlO@localhost>, djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes:s0 > > On Wed, 9 May 2001 17:35:19, andrew harrison% > > <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:  > >i > >> Christof Brass wrote: > >> > > >>E > >> > SUN will sooner or later replace Solaris by Linux. You can see1 > >> > signs of this already.a > >># > >> Ohh and what signs are they ??d > >> > >hF > > An article in this month's UK PC Magazine describes the Sun CobaltH > > Qube 3. A Web/Email/File server that runs on an AMD cpu under Linux. > > Does that qualify :-)a > G > I would say not.  In that case, Sun bought the company with a working C > product.  To attempt to switch that to SPARC would be like CompaqoA > buying DEC and dumping all the Alpha machines in favor of IA32.MB > After all, Compaq already _sells_ machines that run IA32, and itF > is simply a matter of convincing the customers of the newly acquired5 > company that they want to switch operating systems.o > G > Sun has a basic approach (so far) of not pushing Windows, but sellinga< > special-purpose Linux boxes is not incompatible with that.  ; Does anyone know if this is really Linux? Solaris has a 386 ? version though I don't know if it still in synch with the SPARCr? version. The strangest thing I detected is the incredible pricem= of the "fast" SPARC architecture CPUs. The only reason to pay > that is for huge SMP boxes. If someone only wants to have UNIX= without any specific need of a certain flavour or midrange or1> high performance then buying a SPARC architecture machine is a< no go. You get Solaris or Linux on a Intel box with the same? performance for much less money. With Alpha boxes and VMS it isl= completely different: you won't be able to run VMS on a brand ! new machine different from Alpha.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 07:48:10 +0100r  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>6 Subject: Re: What is the best way to erase SCSI disks?+ Message-ID: <VA.0000038b.386c6aaa@sture.ch>I  > In article <3AFBDA69.8FCA8446@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn wrote:/ > From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>o > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms 8 > Subject: Re: What is the best way to erase SCSI disks?' > Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:26:17 +0100c >  >  >  > Nigel Arnot wrote: > Q > >  You used to have to be rich and paranoid to trash drives at the end of theiraF > > working life. Given the way storage price per gigabyte is falling,K > > paranoid is probably now all it takes. What's a 5-year-old drive worth,09 > > compared to the sort of data that justifies paranoia?. > P > Thanks for the analysis, Nigel (and Paul). Actually, if the CIA wanted my dataT > I think they'd probably find a an easier way to get it than waiting for the drivesR > to turn up in a  skip:-). Might make the hobbiest's life a little more difficultK > too if everyone starts trashing the disks when they decommission systems.r >n  M I'll add my thanks to Nigel for the explanation of track drift - I knew abouthM the bad block replacement dangers etc, but not that gem. Yes, with the advent J of ever larger disks I have often thought that I could do with some of theJ old disks from work for my hobbyist system, but I _really_ do not want theB remains of potentially sensitive data sitting on a system at home.  C > oh well, I probably don't have room for a home cluster anyway :-)b  8 Aw, c'mon - you _know_ you can find room for one :-) :-)E (says Paul, who has to lift a lamp every time he wants to change a CDz" on the hobbyist desktop hifi :-) ) ___n
 Paul Sture Switzerland.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2001 00:53:44 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>6 Subject: Re: What is the best way to erase SCSI disks?- Message-ID: <87d79eqzjb.fsf@prep.synonet.com>t  " Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:  D > I'll add my thanks to Nigel for the explanation of track drift - I@ > knew about the bad block replacement dangers etc, but not thatE > gem. Yes, with the advent of ever larger disks I have often thoughthF > that I could do with some of the old disks from work for my hobbyist? > system, but I _really_ do not want the remains of potentiallyg- > sensitive data sitting on a system at home.   > Unless you have a many million dollar lab at home, don't sweatD it. Also, if you erase and re-format them, they are clean to all butE destructivly invasive stuff. Plus, it is not as if they are going offrD into the unknown wild blue yonder. Be the disks at work, or at home,B they are just as safe in the same hands. Modulo physical security.   -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov o   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 06:14:42 -0600.% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>c# Subject: Re: Windows-XP on Alpha ?? A Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010512061322.00b04e68@ntbsod.psccos.com>.  I XP is supposed to replace EVERYTHING.  The idea is one unified code base.oH So the same platform you kids run their games on is supposed to run your entire enterprise.  Good luck!  9 At 08:24 PM 5/11/2001, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:I  L >Windows XP is the first Windows targeted at the home market that's based onJ >the WNT core. I don't know if they are trying to sell it to business too,G >but I don't think so. For a home OS from MS, it is quite a big change.2   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+-I | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |cI | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  | I | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |eI | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |8I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+n   ------------------------------    Date: 13 May 2001 00:46:51 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com># Subject: Re: Windows-XP on Alpha ??7- Message-ID: <87heyqqzus.fsf@prep.synonet.com>t  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:k   > I need a reality check here.   With Gates et al??  F > Seems that Microsoft only recently released Windows-2000 and that it > wasn't such a hot seller.R   The numbers seem to say so.>  F > Now, Microsoft is touting XP as a revolution more important than the* > migration from DOS/WIN3.1 to Windows 95.  E > What exactly does Windows XP have that is so dramatically different A > from an eterprise server point of view ? And from a workstation  > point of view ?s  D Well, the licence conditions and stuff change a lot. When extra-pukeD ships, if you are running NT or Win 95, full bickey to billy boy forB a NEW licence. No upgrade for you. It is designed to relieve moneyF from the company of fools. And to soften the way for pay by the minute# and byte .NET and software rentals.w  7 You did not think it was for the users benefit did you?n     -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.9@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov @   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 10:15:00 -0400-* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com># Subject: Re: Windows-XP on Alpha ?? + Message-ID: <3AFE96E4.A4DC9AEF@rtfmcsi.com>    JF Mezei wrote:0   [...snip...]     >dM > What exactly does Windows XP have that is so dramatically different from an,I > eterprise server point of view ? And from a workstation point of view ?a  R From the workstation point of view I'm really disappointed with XP. At least Win2KK offered USB support, IEEE 1394 support, CardBus support, better general PnPmP support (nice for laptops) and functional power management.  All of these thingsM were present in Win95 (with patches) and in Win98, but they were more or lessfK lacking in WinNT.  Given a choice between Win9x and WinNT for a development 5 platform, I'd choose NT any day over the 9x platform.   P I've also done a little testing with the personal edition of XP and it is just aP pared down version of Win2K Pro with all of the UI changes that XP carries along like unneeded baggage.  Q I have not run the XP server or  any of the higher level versions as I've not haddM the hardware to test them on.  The whole XP family is just the same operating P system with incrementally increasing support for more CPUs, more memory and moreI enabled features as you move up the ladder from the person edition to theeP professional edition to the server edition to the advanced/enterprise server and# then on to the data center edition.c  P At this point, what I've seen from the betas of XP that I've test with leaves meP very disappointed and somewhat frustrated.  Once again M$ has completely changedN the user interface and the desktop layout.  The changes are very extensive andP they more or less look like somebody has been dumbing down the WinNT platform toO the point where your typical Win9x home user could avoid feeling intimidated bybP the system.  I ended up spending my first 30 minutes after the installation justM trying to restore the behavior of the desktop, the start menu and the Windows Q Explorer back to what I had on WinNT v4.0.  Afterwards, I was basically left witheL something that looked like Win2K but had gone through a bad case of creepingQ feature-itis and bad intestinal bloat.  Actually, the disk space requirements for N a full installation [something around 1GB] could allow me to draw a comparison: between XP and the bloated carcass of a large dead animal.  K I can understand from the M$ point of view that XP is good for the software:L development folks there because it does give them a single code base to workR from.  It eliminates MSDOS and the remaining 16-bit operating system code that wasQ present in Win9x.  Also, the device driver architecture is now unified across allwN levels of the operating system, so the many device support issues that existedP across the various generations of the 9x vs. NT platforms will be eliminated; noP more .DRV vs. .VXD vs. .WDM vs. .SYS problems.  Of course, the sacrifice that isO made to achieve this is that only hardware released in the last 18 months or so R will get new device drivers developed under the current driver architecture.  ThisR means that a lot of functional hardware will have to be replaced with new hardwareP simply because the device drivers don't exist any longer to support the hardware6 on the latest Win(fill in the blank) operating system.  O This whole device driver and hardware support issues is actually something thattQ has had me pissed off for a while.  When I upgraded one of my development serversoR from WinNT Server v4.0 to Win2K Server I found out that my trusty old Exabyte 8500Q 8mm tape drive [actually taken from a MTI tape backup system in a now defunct VMS P cluster] would no longer work because the tape drive was 13 years old and M$ didO not write a new tape drive device driver.  The answer back from M$ tech support-P was that they could not be expected to develop drivers for hardware of that age,P regardless of the fact that the hardware was still quite suitable for use today.R Anyway, what I'd like to propose is that all computer system and component vendorsO be required to place software source code in an open source escrow account.  IfSL the vendor ever decides to drop support for a particular software product, aR particular operating system or a particular model of hardware then the source codeN held in the escrow account could be released to the public so that anybody whoR wants to take on self-support could do so.  In my situation I'd gladly take a shotQ at writing an updated device driver so that my existing tape drive hardware couldwP continue to be used.  This type of self-support and public access to source codeQ is one of the things that has allowed Linux to continue growing in its support of  a wide range of hardware.0     -- Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager7                                   8007740718@skytel.comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 02:11:21 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>w# Subject: Re: Windows-XP on Alpha ?? , Message-ID: <3AFF22A9.FB3CD611@infopuls.com>   Chuck Chopp wrote: >  > JF Mezei wrote:  >  > [...snip...] >  > >DO > > What exactly does Windows XP have that is so dramatically different from an)K > > eterprise server point of view ? And from a workstation point of view ?i > T > From the workstation point of view I'm really disappointed with XP. At least Win2KM > offered USB support, IEEE 1394 support, CardBus support, better general PnP9R > support (nice for laptops) and functional power management.  All of these thingsO > were present in Win95 (with patches) and in Win98, but they were more or lessuM > lacking in WinNT.  Given a choice between Win9x and WinNT for a development 7 > platform, I'd choose NT any day over the 9x platform.a > R > I've also done a little testing with the personal edition of XP and it is just aR > pared down version of Win2K Pro with all of the UI changes that XP carries along > like unneeded baggage. > S > I have not run the XP server or  any of the higher level versions as I've not hadeO > the hardware to test them on.  The whole XP family is just the same operatinguR > system with incrementally increasing support for more CPUs, more memory and moreK > enabled features as you move up the ladder from the person edition to the R > professional edition to the server edition to the advanced/enterprise server and% > then on to the data center edition.d > R > At this point, what I've seen from the betas of XP that I've test with leaves meR > very disappointed and somewhat frustrated.  Once again M$ has completely changedP > the user interface and the desktop layout.  The changes are very extensive andR > they more or less look like somebody has been dumbing down the WinNT platform toQ > the point where your typical Win9x home user could avoid feeling intimidated by R > the system.  I ended up spending my first 30 minutes after the installation justO > trying to restore the behavior of the desktop, the start menu and the Windows:S > Explorer back to what I had on WinNT v4.0.  Afterwards, I was basically left withaN > something that looked like Win2K but had gone through a bad case of creepingS > feature-itis and bad intestinal bloat.  Actually, the disk space requirements fornP > a full installation [something around 1GB] could allow me to draw a comparison< > between XP and the bloated carcass of a large dead animal. > M > I can understand from the M$ point of view that XP is good for the software N > development folks there because it does give them a single code base to workT > from.  It eliminates MSDOS and the remaining 16-bit operating system code that wasS > present in Win9x.  Also, the device driver architecture is now unified across allnP > levels of the operating system, so the many device support issues that existedR > across the various generations of the 9x vs. NT platforms will be eliminated; noR > more .DRV vs. .VXD vs. .WDM vs. .SYS problems.  Of course, the sacrifice that isQ > made to achieve this is that only hardware released in the last 18 months or so T > will get new device drivers developed under the current driver architecture.  ThisT > means that a lot of functional hardware will have to be replaced with new hardwareR > simply because the device drivers don't exist any longer to support the hardware8 > on the latest Win(fill in the blank) operating system. > Q > This whole device driver and hardware support issues is actually something thatGS > has had me pissed off for a while.  When I upgraded one of my development servers T > from WinNT Server v4.0 to Win2K Server I found out that my trusty old Exabyte 8500S > 8mm tape drive [actually taken from a MTI tape backup system in a now defunct VMSeR > cluster] would no longer work because the tape drive was 13 years old and M$ didQ > not write a new tape drive device driver.  The answer back from M$ tech supportzR > was that they could not be expected to develop drivers for hardware of that age,R > regardless of the fact that the hardware was still quite suitable for use today.T > Anyway, what I'd like to propose is that all computer system and component vendorsQ > be required to place software source code in an open source escrow account.  IfoN > the vendor ever decides to drop support for a particular software product, aT > particular operating system or a particular model of hardware then the source codeP > held in the escrow account could be released to the public so that anybody whoT > wants to take on self-support could do so.  In my situation I'd gladly take a shotS > at writing an updated device driver so that my existing tape drive hardware couldhR > continue to be used.  This type of self-support and public access to source codeS > is one of the things that has allowed Linux to continue growing in its support of  > a wide range of hardware.u >  > --
 > Chuck Choppo > : > ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com2 >                                   ICQ # 22321532B > RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail4 > 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax6 > Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager9 >                                   8007740718@skytel.comn  > Exactly. This is a major reason for success of open source. If< we look at mature industries like the car building there are> countries where the vendor is forced to have replacement parts, 20 years after the car has been sold/baught.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 10:47:21 -0400i- From: "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU>r? Subject: XDM logins and Advanced Server external authenticationSH Message-ID: <FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D2CA3EF@petra.admin.wpi.edu>  J We run Advanced Server 7.2 on our OpenVMS 7.2-1 system and I've recently = beenE playing around with external authentication.  Most of our users don'taH directly log into our OpenVMS systems on a daily basis anymore so they = tendI to forget their password by the time they do need to login again.  They =  doJ however login to their NT/2000 accounts on a daily basis.  I'd therefore = likeH to use the "extauth" flag on their OpenVMS accounts to allow them to useG their NT/2000 usernames and passwords when they do need to login to ourlF OpenVMS system.  Everything seems to work fine with the testing I've = done somC far when logging in via telnet.  But, there are still a few users =o
 (includingH myself) that use PC-Xware to login.  I've found that any login attempt = failssB when using the extauth flag on my account with an X login.  We'd = actuallyI been running some old NCDWare software that was handling our XDM logins =_ until H this morning when I upgraded to TCP/IP 5.1 and shutdown NCD's software = so IF could use the Compaq XDM server.  I thought that since we were using = thirdoG party software for XDM logins it didn't know how to handle the externallF authentication.  But, after switching to Compaq's XDM server I still = can't)H get this to work.  Anyone have any ideas on how to get this to work or = any3; information indicating that this simply wont work?  Thanks.o   David    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:02:47 -0700q- From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com>sC Subject: Re: XDM logins and Advanced Server external authentication + Message-ID: <3AFD96E7.DCDB148@peoplepc.com>k  E XDMCP has nothing to do with "authentication", other than providing ae6 screen where you can enter your username and password.  E Having said that, Thanks Compaq, for **FINALLY** providing some basicaB "X" functionality that has been around for years in every Un*x OS.= Finally brings VMS up to where Ultrix was over 5 years ago !!a  
 Jack Patteeuwn     "Mitchell, David R." wrote:a > O > We run Advanced Server 7.2 on our OpenVMS 7.2-1 system and I've recently beensG > playing around with external authentication.  Most of our users don't M > directly log into our OpenVMS systems on a daily basis anymore so they tendsL > to forget their password by the time they do need to login again.  They doO > however login to their NT/2000 accounts on a daily basis.  I'd therefore like J > to use the "extauth" flag on their OpenVMS accounts to allow them to useI > their NT/2000 usernames and passwords when they do need to login to ourvN > OpenVMS system.  Everything seems to work fine with the testing I've done soN > far when logging in via telnet.  But, there are still a few users (includingN > myself) that use PC-Xware to login.  I've found that any login attempt failsK > when using the extauth flag on my account with an X login.  We'd actuallyGO > been running some old NCDWare software that was handling our XDM logins untilaM > this morning when I upgraded to TCP/IP 5.1 and shutdown NCD's software so I/L > could use the Compaq XDM server.  I thought that since we were using thirdI > party software for XDM logins it didn't know how to handle the external L > authentication.  But, after switching to Compaq's XDM server I still can'tL > get this to work.  Anyone have any ideas on how to get this to work or any= > information indicating that this simply wont work?  Thanks.l >  > David    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.265 ************************