1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 14 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 266       Contents:0 Re: "Portal Sites" (or "Stupid OT(?) Questions")0 Re: "Portal Sites" (or "Stupid OT(?) Questions")0 Re: "Portal Sites" (or "Stupid OT(?) Questions")0 Re: "Portal Sites" (or "Stupid OT(?) Questions")0 Re: "Portal Sites" (or "Stupid OT(?) Questions") ANN: FILESERV update - REMIND  Broken VMS BACKUP on VMS 7.2" Clusterwide logical name problems.! Compaq Support Forums for OpenVMS " Re: Ethermon and ethernet switches" Re: Ethermon and ethernet switches' Re: exabyte 8505xl & VAXStation 4000/90 ' Re: exabyte 8505xl & VAXStation 4000/90 ' Re: exabyte 8505xl & VAXStation 4000/90  Re: Is OpenVMS an UNIX ??? Re: Is OpenVMS an UNIX ??? Re: Is OpenVMS an UNIX ??? Re: Is OpenVMS an UNIX ??? KZPCC under OpenVMS  Looking for RZ28-VA or RZ29-VAs 4 Meet others in you area tonight!! Free AD placement! Memo:  Multimedia Doc  Re: Mozilla 0.9  Re: Mozilla 0.9  Re: Mozilla 0.9  Re: Mozilla 0.9 , Mozilla 0.9 how do I save email attachments. Re: OpenVMS 7.3 and Appletalk? RE: OpenVMS 7.3 and Appletalk?+ OpenVMS v6.2 Monitor/Record just falls over  Oracle RDB + EMC EDM Re: Oracle RDB + EMC EDM Re: Oracle RDB + EMC EDM Re: Oracle RDB + EMC EDM Re: Oracle RDB + EMC EDM Re: Oracle RDB + EMC EDM Question re: Java and C++  Resetting queue Entry Numbers G ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken.  Setting Up An FTP Account  Re: Setting Up An FTP Account  Re: Setting Up An FTP Account  Re: Setting Up An FTP Account  Re: Setting Up An FTP Account  Re: Setting Up An FTP Account  Re: SLEEP BUTTON Re: SLEEP BUTTON Re: SLEEP BUTTON% Re: Some more bits looking for a home % Re: Some more bits looking for a home " Re: The future of VMS - * Humour *" Re: The future of VMS - * Humour */ RE: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants / Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants / Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants / RE: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants / RE: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants / Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants  VMS 7.3 kit  Re: VMS NFS mounts on UNIX Re: Windows-XP on Alpha ?? Re: Windows-XP on Alpha ?? RE: Windows-XP on Alpha ??C [EVENT] Last call for =?iso-8859-1?Q?Z=FCrich?= dinner registration   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 14 May 2001 08:53:06 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 9 Subject: Re: "Portal Sites" (or "Stupid OT(?) Questions") 3 Message-ID: <5TSwcVHenx+l@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3AFF4D08.33A6DC85@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:  / >> 3. Why are web-surfers so enamoured of them?  > N > No, it is Wall Street Casino Analysts who painted those "portals" as virtualL > gold mines in the hopes that the masses would rush to buy these stocks andP > hence result in the stock brokers maing heaps of money unloading a stock whichA > they know has absolutely no potential of ever being profitable.    Agreed.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:10:35 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br 9 Subject: Re: "Portal Sites" (or "Stupid OT(?) Questions") L Message-ID: <OF42C7A359.3CB8FD03-ON03256A4C.00477E21@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   NASDAQ ,  I People from IT forget that IT resources are tools. Nowadays the tools are  more importantE than the job that must be done. What job ? Companies develop servers,  software, technology, J but for who ? People waste time and money choosing technologies which cant serve them good,' but these IT stocks are up, up, up ....   > I would like to see a "NASDAQ" for  health, food, housing ....   Regards   
 Fabio Cardoso         J Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) em 14/05/2001 10:53:06  E Favor responder a Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)              Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       9 Assunto: Re: "Portal Sites" (or "Stupid OT(?) Questions")     5 In article <3AFF4D08.33A6DC85@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei & <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:  / >> 3. Why are web-surfers so enamoured of them?  > F > No, it is Wall Street Casino Analysts who painted those "portals" as virtual H > gold mines in the hopes that the masses would rush to buy these stocks and J > hence result in the stock brokers maing heaps of money unloading a stock which A > they know has absolutely no potential of ever being profitable.    Agreed.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:00:11 GMT 0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)9 Subject: Re: "Portal Sites" (or "Stupid OT(?) Questions") 1 Message-ID: <%pSL6.231$fi2.4707@news.cpqcorp.net>   	 Portal...  	Don't get me going..   D 	A portal is supposed to allow a user to pick and choose the sub-setG of content they want out of the set of all connent. Plus that which the   portal owner want's you to see.   A 	In the case of OpenVMS there isn't that much to pick and choose  H hence the OpenVMS portal has the same stuff as the OpenVMS home page. WeG are working on new/different stuff but it still comes out that we don't I have good catagories that would seperate into the 'we want to to see it'  3 'you want to see' and 'you don't care' catagories.    ? 	We have also been working on a business critical (enterprise)  I portal where there are segements that can be chosen like Himalaya, Alpha, G Vax, Proliant. etc big chunks of stuff. Also industry segmentations can H be done so if you want 'healthcare' you don't see 'finance' stuff unless2 we put it into the 'everyone sees this' catagory.   7 There is a project underway to do a lot of this stuff.           --  B ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comE 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.com 3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875 6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself -          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  B ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:11:45 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 9 Subject: Re: "Portal Sites" (or "Stupid OT(?) Questions") ' Message-ID: <3AFFF5B1.323FC3C7@fsi.net>    Warren Sander wrote: > [snip]! > Also industry segmentations can J > be done so if you want 'healthcare' you don't see 'finance' stuff unless3 > we put it into the 'everyone sees this' catagory.  > 8 > There is a project underway to do a lot of this stuff.   <RANT>C YMMV, but I personally *D*E*T*E*S*T* the concept of some{one,group} G deciding what {is,is_not} relevant to {my,anyone's} business other than G {myself,the_user}. This, to me, is but one more tool that people use in E their efforts to control what is, in actuality, beyond their control.    Again, YMMV considerably.  </RANT>    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:22:05 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br 9 Subject: Re: "Portal Sites" (or "Stupid OT(?) Questions") L Message-ID: <OF613EF2C5.5963AEF4-ON03256A4C.00545047@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  J So you must do with Gartner what was did with DEC:   D*I*S*M*O*U*N*T*I*N*G   Regards    FC        B "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> em 14/05/2001 12:11:45  = Favor responder a "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>              Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       9 Assunto: Re: "Portal Sites" (or "Stupid OT(?) Questions")      Warren Sander wrote: > [snip]! > Also industry segmentations can J > be done so if you want 'healthcare' you don't see 'finance' stuff unless3 > we put it into the 'everyone sees this' catagory.  > 8 > There is a project underway to do a lot of this stuff.   <RANT>C YMMV, but I personally *D*E*T*E*S*T* the concept of some{one,group} G deciding what {is,is_not} relevant to {my,anyone's} business other than G {myself,the_user}. This, to me, is but one more tool that people use in E their efforts to control what is, in actuality, beyond their control.    Again, YMMV considerably.  </RANT>    -- David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:24:17 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) & Subject: ANN: FILESERV update - REMIND0 Message-ID: <3b00120e.12027174@news.process.com>  C I've updated my simple REMIND utility for OpenVMS.  It now supports ) the new qualifiers /REPEAT and /INTERVAL.   E REMIND is a reminder utility that will broadcast a reverse-video text C message to your logged-in terminals, or send you mail if you're not C logged on (or would prefer mail).  It isn't really suitable for use E on clusters yet (I wrote the thing back in '86, and it uses a mailbox D for communications between the client and server---since I run it on< an AlphaStation, I've never been motivated enough to make itC cluster-aware).  Still, I know a few others out there use it, and I  find it invaluable.   2 You can find REMIND V3.0 using the following URLs:   http://www.process.com/openvms/  http://vms.process.com/ftp/   6 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/remind.zip2 ftp://ftp.tmk.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/remind.zip   And the other mirrors:  ; ftp.vms.stacken.kth.se, under [.MIRRORS.WKU.VMS.FILESERV].  . ftp.ctrl-c.liu.se, under [.WKU.VMS.FILESERV].  ftp.riken.go.jp / ftp.vsm.com.au, under kits and kits/decwindows.  mvb.saic.com   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:34:39 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com> % Subject: Broken VMS BACKUP on VMS 7.2 ( Message-ID: <3B00172F.74A3B4BE@mmaz.com>  E Did anyone have any comments or recommended fixes for this particular  mis-behaviour of BACKUP?   Regards,   Barry # ----------------------------------- F I just did two on-line disk to disk backups, with logging off and this is what 
 I've seen:  C V4500$ backup/nolog/nofast/noalias/ignore=(noback,inter) $145$dia0:  $145$dia1:/imageH %BACKUP-W-AFNOTSAVED, alias file $145$DIA0:[SYS0]SYSCOMMON.DIR;1 was not saved H %BACKUP-W-AFNOTSAVED, alias file $145$DIA0:[SYSEXE]SYSBOOT.EXE;1 was not saved A V4500$ backup/nolog/nofast/alias/ignore=(noback,inter) $145$dia0:  $145$dia1:/imageH %BACKUP-W-AFNOTSAVED, alias file $145$DIA0:[SYS0]SYSCOMMON.DIR;1 was not saved  V4500$  C Now I can see why the first failed to boot because the alias to the  SYSBOOT was G broke.  What I do not understand is why the second backup still ignored  the = SYSCOMMON aliases, thereby producing a bad VMS tree, but more  importantly itB ALSO failed to recreate the SYSBOOT aliases even though it did not
 report any errors:   ; V4500$ dir/file $145$dia0:[000000...]sysboot.exe,$145$dia1:   + Directory $145$DIA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE]    SYSBOOT.EXE;1        (113,1,0)   Total of 1 file.   Directory $145$DIA0:[SYSEXE]   SYSBOOT.EXE;1        (113,1,0)   Total of 1 file.  ' Directory $145$DIA0:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE]    SYSBOOT.EXE;1        (113,1,0)   Total of 1 file.   Directory $145$DIA1:[SYSEXE]   SYSBOOT.EXE;1        (113,1,0)   Total of 1 file.  & Grand total of 4 directories, 4 files.  D This does appear to be a major flaw in the on-line BACKUP keeping in	 mind that 2 stand-alone version does not exhibit this problem.  # Any and all comments appreciated...    Barry      --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 06:53:30 -0700 , From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>+ Subject: Clusterwide logical name problems. 4 Message-ID: <9doo0n$jauig$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  J Anyone else using clusterwide logicals and having problems?  We had one of, our systems hang on boot doing this command:  K $Create/Name_Table/Executive_Mode/Parent_Table=Lnm$Cluster_Table/NoLog 'P2' 
 'Newtable'  > in SYS$STARTUP:ICC$STARTUP.  We took a crash dump and it showsC startup waiting on a lock for resource LNM$CWLOGICALS that was held L by a batch job that was running that sets and translates several clusterwide# logicals (in lnm$syscluster_table),   - On another occasion, I was interactively do a J define/table=lnm$syscluster_table and seemed to get hung although I didn't$ diagnose it.  This is VMS 7.2-1 with recent patches.    Jim    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:51:01 GMT 0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)* Subject: Compaq Support Forums for OpenVMS1 Message-ID: <phSL6.230$fi2.4795@news.cpqcorp.net>   A Since I talked about the support forum's in a previous post where G a Presario customer was asking for help, I'll bring this up here again.   H The Compaq support forum's are available for a number of products. WhileF this is very PC/Intel specific there are a couple with OpenVMS topics.  E There is a mail and messaging for OpenVMS forum, Bridgeworks and some  discussions in the mgmt ones.   H We haven't done general purpose OpenVMS forums mostly because doing themJ would take away time that is currently spent doing Ask the wizard and most1 importantly particiption in comp.os.vms (et al).    I OpenVMS could have a series of forums but we feel that the news groups is + a better medium with a wider participation.   C That's why I at least feel we should point PC type's to the support J forum's at http://forum.compaq.com and keep OpenVMS discussions here where they have been for 20+ years.   F If you all feel we should do support forum's then we can discuss it at  CETS in the fall (maybe a BOF).   A Also since the current system while it will work in 3.03 does get  some javascript error's    --  B ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comE 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.com 3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875 6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself -          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  B ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------    Date: 14 May 2001 10:40:19 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> + Subject: Re: Ethermon and ethernet switches H Message-ID: <y4itj4wcgc.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:   N > So, if switches give you only the traffic that the switch thinks is destinedL > to your node, how does one generally run an ethernet monitor on a switchedO > ethernet ? Are there special ports that do provide the full view of the lan ? M > Or is there a way to configure a port to get the full view of the traffic ?   E This is, of course, only possible if the monitoring port has a higher D bandwidth than the other ports being monitored. For instance, even aD gigabit monitoring port on a switch with more than 20 100-Mbit ports will potentially be overun.    	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 14 May 2001 14:41:17 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)+ Subject: Re: Ethermon and ethernet switches , Message-ID: <9doqqd$n6a@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  \ In article <3AFC277B.A03B09C4@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:M >So, if switches give you only the traffic that the switch thinks is destinedeK >to your node, how does one generally run an ethernet monitor on a switched"
 >ethernet?  4 Some switches let you monitor traffic at the switch.   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 06:31:41 -0400b, From: "islandco.com" <dbturner@islandco.com>0 Subject: Re: exabyte 8505xl & VAXStation 4000/90/ Message-ID: <tfvcq01r03fq46@news.supernews.com>    make sure parity is enabled !s   David T    -- We sell Alpha's !a% Want to buy an Alpha or Alpha Parts ?n Go to http://www.islandco.comt& Hardware for Alpha VMS, Tru64 & Linux.   Island Computers US Corporatione 2700 Gregory Streeto Savannah GA 31404i Tel: 912 447 6622l Fax:912 201 0096 sales@islandco.com5 "emanuel stiebler" <emu@ecubics.com> wrote in messagen% news:3AFEDE7D.6E4A3C10@ecubics.com...n | Hi,cB | I just put a exabyte tape drive from my alpha to the vaxstation.G | Now I'm getting always parity errors during "initialize mka400: test"CC | The same tapedrive works nice on other machines (pc, alpha, ppc,) 5 | And a 4mm tapedrive works nice on this machine too.i4 | Runnign a cleaning tape though didn't help either. |  | So, am I missing something ? |o | Cheers & thanks,	 | emanuelo |  | P.S. OpenVMS/VAX 7.2   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:43:51 -0400e# From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> 0 Subject: Re: exabyte 8505xl & VAXStation 4000/90+ Message-ID: <3AFFE117.5E9D84A8@hsc.vcu.edu>e   We use 8500s and 8200s, you gotta have the latest firmware revs in them... but, once you get them up and fixed, they just run theirtx little hearts out.  contemporary cybernetics are high, but they are good.  one of their drives has outlasted 3 others...   j.   emanuel stiebler wrote:6 >  > Hi, B > I just put a exabyte tape drive from my alpha to the vaxstation.G > Now I'm getting always parity errors during "initialize mka400: test"iC > The same tapedrive works nice on other machines (pc, alpha, ppc,)o5 > And a 4mm tapedrive works nice on this machine too.-4 > Runnign a cleaning tape though didn't help either. >  > So, am I missing something ? >  > Cheers & thanks,	 > emanuelr >  > P.S. OpenVMS/VAX 7.2   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:33:13 -0600g( From: emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com>0 Subject: Re: exabyte 8505xl & VAXStation 4000/90+ Message-ID: <3AFFFAB9.EDF3D796@ecubics.com>i   "islandco.com" wrote:a >  > make sure parity is enabled !    How can I do this ? , There are noc jumpers on this tape drive ...   cheers & thanks a lot, emanuell   	 > David Ti >  > -- > We sell Alpha's !l' > Want to buy an Alpha or Alpha Parts ?e > Go to http://www.islandco.come( > Hardware for Alpha VMS, Tru64 & Linux. > ! > Island Computers US Corporatione > 2700 Gregory Street  > Savannah GA 31404- > Tel: 912 447 6622- > Fax:912 201 0096 > sales@islandco.com7 > "emanuel stiebler" <emu@ecubics.com> wrote in message:' > news:3AFEDE7D.6E4A3C10@ecubics.com...n > | Hi,sD > | I just put a exabyte tape drive from my alpha to the vaxstation.I > | Now I'm getting always parity errors during "initialize mka400: test"yE > | The same tapedrive works nice on other machines (pc, alpha, ppc,)j7 > | And a 4mm tapedrive works nice on this machine too. 6 > | Runnign a cleaning tape though didn't help either. > |e  > | So, am I missing something ? > |s > | Cheers & thanks, > | emanuel  > |l > | P.S. OpenVMS/VAX 7.2   ------------------------------   Date: 14 May 2001 16:55:27 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)n# Subject: Re: Is OpenVMS an UNIX ???p+ Message-ID: <9dp2lv$93l$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>r  L In article <OF7BBFB7CE.D58EFF16-ON03256A49.004A233D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,,  fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:
 |> Just click8 |> D> |> http://serverwatch.internet.com/serversort/ossort-main.html  C Did I miss something??  I didn't see VMS, Open or otherwise, listedo0 at all.  Not that I would expect it to be.....  9            After all, it is the stealth operating system.m   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   -   ------------------------------   Date: 14 May 2001 17:00:09 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)t# Subject: Re: Is OpenVMS an UNIX ???"+ Message-ID: <9dp2up$93l$4@info.cs.uofs.edu>o  0 In article <3aff2798$1@kerberos.linuxpuppy.net>,0  "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> writes:G |> A little bit of digging gives this address for feedback, comment ands |> suggestions:  |> l |>     serverwatch@internet.com   ! I'm confused (what else is new??)m2 I still don't see VMS listed anywhere on the list.   bill   -- fJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:15:12 -0300t) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brH# Subject: Re: Is OpenVMS an UNIX ???bL Message-ID: <OF0E01DCB5.91297279-ON03256A4C.005E9D4F@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Bill  - They removed OpenVMS  from the Unix list.....i  I Well, OpenVMS is not an Operating System for them : it should be at leastd
 in Others ...    Regards   
 Fabio Cardoso-        B bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) em 14/05/2001 13:55:27  = Favor responder a bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)t             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como      # Assunto: Re: Is OpenVMS an UNIX ???     
 In articleA <OF7BBFB7CE.D58EFF16-ON03256A49.004A233D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,7,  fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:
 |> Just click  |>> |> http://serverwatch.internet.com/serversort/ossort-main.html  C Did I miss something??  I didn't see VMS, Open or otherwise, listed-. at all.  Not that I would expect it to be.....9            After all, it is the stealth operating system.u   bill   --J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------   Date: 14 May 2001 17:23:17 GMT- From: "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com>N# Subject: Re: Is OpenVMS an UNIX ???*. Message-ID: <3b0014e2@kerberos.linuxpuppy.net>  * That's because they have changed the site.  1 It USED to be under the "Commercial Unix" list...t   Now it is no place at all...  L I had sent them a note to suggest they add it separately and get information0 about the various web servers that run on VMS...   --
 Bill Pedersen  CCSS Corporation www.CCSScorp.com 831-336-2708  > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message% news:9dp2lv$93l$3@info.cs.uofs.edu...l > In articleA <OF7BBFB7CE.D58EFF16-ON03256A49.004A233D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,o. >  fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes: > |> Just clicka > |>@ > |> http://serverwatch.internet.com/serversort/ossort-main.html >oE > Did I miss something??  I didn't see VMS, Open or otherwise, listed:0 > at all.  Not that I would expect it to be.....; >            After all, it is the stealth operating system.n >  > bill >D > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:35:42 +0000 (UTC)i- From: Jeffrey_Hiris@brown.edu (Jeffrey_Hiris)S Subject: KZPCC under OpenVMS4 Message-ID: <9dojeu$cgc$1@saturn.services.brown.edu>   Hi all:   I the KZPCC adapter (PCI-bus Ultra-2 LVD RAID controller) is not listed as  E supported under OpenVMS, at least not yet, which leaves a "hole" for pM high-performance disks in the low-end VMS line.  (The KZPAC Ultra SCSI-2 has *A always left something to be desired in terms of raw performance.)t  N I was wondering if any brave soul has tried a KZPCC out under OpenVMS, and if 5 so, whether it worked, at least as a non-boot device.    thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:18:14 -0400 2 From: "Kent, Philip  JW1811" <kent@jwfc.jfcom.mil>( Subject: Looking for RZ28-VA or RZ29-VAsH Message-ID: <5B57189920E7D41190B500606D210686011A6A26@mailsvr.jfcom.mil>  I I have a customer who would like to purchase some RZ28-VA or RZ29-VA disknI drives.  If you have any extras of these older disk drives please contacta= me.  This customer is looking for about 20 or so disk drives.o   Thanks  	 Phil Kente kent@jwfc.jfcom.mild philip.kent@compaq.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 03:03:22 GMTa From: jermok@you.com= Subject: Meet others in you area tonight!! Free AD placement!1/ Message-ID: <_VHL6.7651$Zh5.7037@nnrp1.sbc.net>   DStop wasting time waiting for love to fall on your lap. Come to the worlds #1 onling dating service with over 8,000,000 users world wide from the USA to the world you will find that someone here! come and place you FREE personal AD today and tomrrow you may find the one your looking for! And most of th ADs have PICTURES!!!  = http://www.altmatch.com/index.htm?AssociateID=112049&MID=3102n  H Dont forget to bookmark this site you will be going back to it alot.. ;)  1 rwtsiomqqndklfxuhwovfeyixqssecegdpplmdqpghcvhirbu-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:34:18 +0100u From: paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com Subject: Memo:  Multimedia DocE Message-ID: <OFCAA4855C.03DBE5C1-ON80256A4C.0054AB0D@systems.uk.hsbc>:   FolkscF Having made it to the promised land by acquiring a DPW500 with all theK useful bells and whistles, I am now exploring audio on VMS with interest. IeI cannot find and doc either in, on or around the system nor on the net forRI the MMOV app set. I managed to get the audio device working (by followingvE the release notes!) but can't go much further without some info. MainwK interest - can I play MP3 files? Any pointers to useful doc most gratefully 	 received.-H Also any pointers to the related 'hardware user guide' (as familiar with6 most other VMS systems I've had) would be really good. Many thanks  Paul  J PS Thanks to this ng for the pointers to IslandCo who restored my faith in vendor!    PB      D ********************************************************************B  This message and any attachments are confidential to the ordinaryB  user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also>  be privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy,8  forward, disclose or use any part of the message or itsC  attachments and if you have received this message in error, pleaseiB  notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from
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The sender therefore does not?  accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context ofi?  this message which arise as a result of Internet transmission.t  eD  Any opinions contained in this message are those of the author and ?  are not given or endorsed by the HSBC Group company or office  =  through which this message is sent unless otherwise clearly 4A  indicated in this message and the authority of the author to so .3  bind the HSBC entity referred to is duly verified.r  D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------    Date: 14 May 2001 11:30:59 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40); Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.9! Message-ID: <emfTo1AVc6lg@gaelic>r  + In article <3afed7e9$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, m, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: [...] B > And I am also very disappointed how bad the quality of images is= > (I use the classic style, in case this makes a difference). L > NETSCAPE V3 has umpteen times better image quality on the same x11 server/P > graphic card/monitor combination. There must be something wrong in my setup...  M Mosaic is the only browser giving a good image quality under 8 bits displays.u- Mozilla is bad, and Nescape 3.03 is also bad.s  N Now, i'm using the 16 bits display on the Elsa Gloria and images are good with Mozilla.   Patrick  --O ===============================================================================TO pmoreau@cena.dgac.fr  (CENA)     ______      ___   _           (Patrick MOREAU)S4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:33:27 GMTs' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>: Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.9- Message-ID: <3AFFC279.CE4E98B3@theblakes.com>c   Bob Koehler wrote:  H > I thought this version included Java support.  Does it require the 1.3 > JDK?  c OJI support (which is what Mozilla needs for Java) is not in the 1.3 release; its in the next minormd release (which at one time people were calling 1.3.0_01). As soon as OJI is available in the OpenVMS6 Java offering we hope to have it supported in Mozilla.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:34:43 GMTp' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>h Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.9- Message-ID: <3AFFC2C5.886A730E@theblakes.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:  I > The performace improvement has made 0.9 actually useable on my DEC 3000uH > 600S, but it keeps dying with no logs when I try to startup an applet.  a Please report bugs via bugzilla (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org). They'll only get fixed if they getu	 reported!m   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:59:57 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.9, Message-ID: <9doaca$34do@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:llW2mVZ$758Y@eisner.encompasserve.org...-    I > The performace improvement has made 0.9 actually useable on my DEC 3000 H > 600S, but it keeps dying with no logs when I try to startup an applet.H > I thought this version included Java support.  Does it require the 1.3 > JDK?  M No, even 1.3 is too early. As I understand it, the Java/browser interface wassK redesigned to make it easier to plug in new Java VMs into Mozilla, startingmK with 1.3. When the integration work was done, some of the fixes were rolled-Q up into a maintenance upgrade to the Java libraries. It's this version (1.3.0-01)o that is required.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:24:58 +0100t% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>@5 Subject: Mozilla 0.9 how do I save email attachments.i8 Message-ID: <unmvfto5q6dfk7gsgkn4kiknvu83n94ilv@4ax.com>  @ Maybe I'm missing something incredibly obvious but how do I saveF attachments in mail?. Supposedly you click on the paperclip icon but IE don't see a paperclip icon on messages with attachments. Nor do I seeoC the hexified version displayed. I know Mozilla downloads the entire F message (from time taken) but it doesn't seem to do anything with it.. -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:10:45 -0400e0 From: paul.r.anderson@compaq.com (Paul Anderson)' Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3 and Appletalk?iP Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-1405011010450001@dhcp-16-21-34-107.eng.lkg.dec.com>  H In article <FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D2CA3F0@petra.admin.wpi.edu>,. "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU> wrote:  N > Does anyone know if Appletalk will continue to work with OpenVMS 7.3?  We'reG > not in a great hurry to upgrade to 7.3 just yet, but we do still neednO > Appletalk to speak to several of our printers (mainly Canon ImageRunners) viae8 > DCPS so we'd be unable to upgrade if Appletalk breaks.  G In our qualification of DCPS V1.8 and V2.0 with OpenVMS V7.3, we testedaE with AppleTalk and discovered no problems.  The PATHWORKS for OpenVMS,H (Macintosh) product installed and ran on both OpenVMS Alpha and VAX V7.3C systems.  The product is unsupported but does seem to work on V7.3.R   Paul   -- x
 Paul Anderson4  OpenVMS Engineering  Compaq Computer Corporation   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:30:54 -0400a- From: "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU> ' Subject: RE: OpenVMS 7.3 and Appletalk?pJ Message-ID: <FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D0449955B@petra.admin.wpi.edu>   Great.  Thanks for the info.   David2   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: Paul Anderson [mailto:paul.r.anderson@compaq.com]s% > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 10:11 AMm > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come) > Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3 and Appletalk?t >=20 >=20 > In article=20a? > <FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D2CA3F0@petra.admin.wpi.edu>,p0 > "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU> wrote: >=20? > > Does anyone know if Appletalk will continue to work with=20  > OpenVMS 7.3?  We'redA > > not in a great hurry to upgrade to 7.3 just yet, but we do=20s > still needB > > Appletalk to speak to several of our printers (mainly Canon=20 > ImageRunners) viaa: > > DCPS so we'd be unable to upgrade if Appletalk breaks. >=20B > In our qualification of DCPS V1.8 and V2.0 with OpenVMS V7.3,=20 > we testedvG > with AppleTalk and discovered no problems.  The PATHWORKS for OpenVMSv@ > (Macintosh) product installed and ran on both OpenVMS Alpha=20 > and VAX V7.3E > systems.  The product is unsupported but does seem to work on V7.3.  >=20 > Paul >=20 > --=20o > Paul Anderson  >  OpenVMS Engineering >  Compaq Computer Corporation >=20   ------------------------------   Date: 14 May 2001 09:35:52 GMT% From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com04 Subject: OpenVMS v6.2 Monitor/Record just falls over* Message-ID: <9do8to$pm5$1@news.netmar.com>   Hi,k  L Up until the 10th May I was using "Monitor/Record=<rec file> all" to collectK performance data to file. Since then when I do a Monitor/record the process I just falls over. No messages, or operator messages it just stops. It does K create the recording file, but it contains nothing. Any ideas on what couldR! suddenly cause this appreciated ?/   Thanks Andrew  O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  ----- M   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups.I    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postslL made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:13:56 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bra Subject: Oracle RDB + EMC EDM6L Message-ID: <OFC7E57B04.43016C01-ON03256A4C.00430709@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  = Does anyone is using EMC EDM to backup Oracle RDB databases ?.I I am checking with EMC this possibility and I would like to know from yout, the problems, features, limitations, etc ...     Regardsi  
 Fabio Cardosoe   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:14:57 +0100j  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com! Subject: Re: Oracle RDB + EMC EDMgH Message-ID: <OF7A8B112A.3B529529-ON80256A4C.004866B9@qedi.quintiles.com>  J Purely personal with no evidence whatsoever to back it up, I'd avoid using EMC stuff at almost all costs.H If your database is on VMS then back it up using VMS to appropriate tape& drive(s), minilibrary/ies or whatever.  J It's also a lot easier to clobber VMS Engineering in the (highly unlikely)D event that there's a problem with BACKUP than it is to negotiate andJ arbitrate between EMC and Compaq to sort out a problem that's resulting in" a loss of backups on your systems.  J Your mileage will, of course, vary as may the pressure that may be applied by management.   Steve.   Fabio asked: >>> = Does anyone is using EMC EDM to backup Oracle RDB databases ? I I am checking with EMC this possibility and I would like to know from you , the problems, features, limitations, etc ... <<<|   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:38:11 -0300a) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brd! Subject: Re: Oracle RDB + EMC EDM-L Message-ID: <OF0DC12107.8326FB1B-ON03256A4C.004A341A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  K The company already bought EDM and it is running clients for Solaris, IRIX,p AIX and WNT/W2K.K So the next step is OpenVMS.  I would like to install an indepentet storagee system (DLT + ABS)K under OpenVMS, but I dont have decision power here. So EDM probably will beo used, but I dontJ know when - for EDM works here (and it is not 100%) the company spent more than one year.K Ww have about 150 GB of data in the OVMS servers - each beg. year we exportn a few databaseseI of the back year. We still using a DCL procedure with BACKUP command.  Itn is working fine buthB in my conception it is not "safe" to backup without a "real backup software" nowadays:  catalog control, etc ....-   Regards-  
 Fabio Cardoso                 1 steven.reece@quintiles.com em 14/05/2001 10:14:57p  , Favor responder a steven.reece@quintiles.com             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com9      ! Assunto: Re: Oracle RDB + EMC EDMc        J Purely personal with no evidence whatsoever to back it up, I'd avoid using EMC stuff at almost all costs.H If your database is on VMS then back it up using VMS to appropriate tape& drive(s), minilibrary/ies or whatever.  J It's also a lot easier to clobber VMS Engineering in the (highly unlikely)D event that there's a problem with BACKUP than it is to negotiate andJ arbitrate between EMC and Compaq to sort out a problem that's resulting in" a loss of backups on your systems.  J Your mileage will, of course, vary as may the pressure that may be applied by management.   Steve.   Fabio asked: >>>m= Does anyone is using EMC EDM to backup Oracle RDB databases ?tI I am checking with EMC this possibility and I would like to know from you , the problems, features, limitations, etc ... <<<    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:07:53 -0400h- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>h! Subject: Re: Oracle RDB + EMC EDMn- Message-ID: <3AFFE6B9.9E4A6873@bellsouth.net>a  L Rdb does not/ will not EVER support a third party/OS  backup utility to backJ up these databases.  The only SUPPORTED way to backup and restore is usingE the RMU/{BACKUP,RESTORE} utility.  Oracle Rdb is NOT Oracle "classic"lI (7,8,8i,9i...) which does use the OS backup utilities like cp,tar, backupb etc...  3 Michael Austin  - DBA Consultant  -- Available now.  First DBA Source, Inc. 704-947-1089 (Office)y  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  ? > Does anyone is using EMC EDM to backup Oracle RDB databases ?CK > I am checking with EMC this possibility and I would like to know from youa. > the problems, features, limitations, etc ... >$	 > Regardso >e > Fabio Cardosoc   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:11:41 -0300f) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br ! Subject: Re: Oracle RDB + EMC EDM/L Message-ID: <OF1DB4FD62.3F2A8D82-ON03256A4C.004DD471@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  C Compaq ABS supports RMU/BACKUP / RMU/RESTORE. Does Legato support ? H My doubt is if with EMC EDM we will need to backup the databases to disk	 and aftert upload to tapes.   Regards    FC        > Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> em 14/05/2001 11:07:53  9 Favor responder a Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>d             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com|      ! Assunto: Re: Oracle RDB + EMC EDMn    G Rdb does not/ will not EVER support a third party/OS  backup utility toa backJ up these databases.  The only SUPPORTED way to backup and restore is usingE the RMU/{BACKUP,RESTORE} utility.  Oracle Rdb is NOT Oracle "classic"wI (7,8,8i,9i...) which does use the OS backup utilities like cp,tar, backupr etc...  3 Michael Austin  - DBA Consultant  -- Available now., First DBA Source, Inc. 704-947-1089 (Office)d  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  ? > Does anyone is using EMC EDM to backup Oracle RDB databases ? K > I am checking with EMC this possibility and I would like to know from youe. > the problems, features, limitations, etc ... > 	 > Regardso >e > Fabio Cardoso    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:38:22 -0400 - From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>i! Subject: Re: Oracle RDB + EMC EDM - Message-ID: <3AFFEDDE.F25AD4BA@bellsouth.net>6  N If EMC does not support RMU/BACKup then backing up to disk - then to tape willM be your only option if you go with that product.  Oracle Rdb and VMS are veryd- tightly coupled for these types of functions.i  O When people just mention using VMS or a third party application to back up Rdb,.K it sends chills down my spine as I have been on the receiving end of way to1N many phone calls that start out by saying "we backed up our database  with VMSL BACKUP and now our databases are corrupt and we don't have the original...."" Then it goes down hill from there.   Michael Austin Rdb DBA Consultant 704-947-1089    * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  E > Compaq ABS supports RMU/BACKUP / RMU/RESTORE. Does Legato support ?dJ > My doubt is if with EMC EDM we will need to backup the databases to disk > and afterm > upload to tapes. >U	 > Regardst >/ > FC >a@ > Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> em 14/05/2001 11:07:53 >m; > Favor responder a Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>o >n >       Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh >i# > Assunto: Re: Oracle RDB + EMC EDM- > I > Rdb does not/ will not EVER support a third party/OS  backup utility toc > backL > up these databases.  The only SUPPORTED way to backup and restore is usingG > the RMU/{BACKUP,RESTORE} utility.  Oracle Rdb is NOT Oracle "classic"DK > (7,8,8i,9i...) which does use the OS backup utilities like cp,tar, backupS > etc... >t5 > Michael Austin  - DBA Consultant  -- Available now.y > First DBA Source, Inc. > 704-947-1089 (Office)e >o, > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > A > > Does anyone is using EMC EDM to backup Oracle RDB databases ? M > > I am checking with EMC this possibility and I would like to know from youe0 > > the problems, features, limitations, etc ... > >e > > Regardsf > >a > > Fabio CardosoV   ------------------------------   Date: 14 May 2001 15:01:55 GMT- From: ejheller@aol.com.nojunk (Edward Heller) " Subject: Question re: Java and C++: Message-ID: <20010514110155.02866.00003636@ng-fo1.aol.com>  J Having sufficiently beat our collective heads against the wall, I pose the following to the group.e  L We have a Java application that uses JNI to call native C++ classes. The C++H classes are part of a library that we have developed to perform specificK actions. When the Java app calls the C++ methods on Windows NT, the progranrI works without a hitch. When we port the Java to OpenVMS/Alpha we run into J problems. The same C++ classes are used extensively on the Alpha without a	 problem.    J Since Java is "portable" and appeared to work on Win/NT, our first shot atM getting the program to run was to run Java, just as we do on Win/NT. This did H not work. It _appeared_ that the program hung while initializing the C++. constructor method during the library loading.  L Our next attempt was to create an entry point C routine (linked with the C++L library) that would start the Java and continue. This had the same effect as the first step.e  I At this point, we decided it was time for test programs. We set up a very.J simple Java application (three lines: open library, print diagnostic, callM native code). When used with a very simple C++ program, this appears to work.-M Increasing the complexity of the C++ code causes the program to stop working.R  M So, here is the posed question: Is anyone aware of any limitations in OpenVMSf6 relating to the interaction between Java, JNI and C++?   For reference: Alpha 1000 4/233 OpenVMS    v 7.1 Java JDK      v 1.1.8a C++             v 6.2-016a C                 v 6.0-001   I I am aware that the OS and compilers may be slightly behind, but before aaH blanket comment to upgrade, I would prefer a comment that identifies theI problem as related to a specific feature that was modified as part of thea upgrade.   Thanks
 Edward Hellerd
 TransCore ITSu4 "All musings contained within are mine, mine alone."   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:56:32 -0700n From: "jjs" <john@stafford.net> & Subject: Resetting queue Entry Numbers1 Message-ID: <9dovd2$t8q$1@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>=  K My queue entry numbers are so long they don't fix the display mask. How canOK I reset them all to ZERO (or one)? Delete and recreate the queue? It's okay B to do this because I have no restart dependencies on this machine.  I (And how did they get this way? A rogue resubmission loop that ran over a L weekend. (Dinna Worry, SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL as been reset. Yah, it
 was huge!)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:07:08 -0300=) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br=P Subject: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken.L Message-ID: <OFC41A1FAD.F48C0784-ON03256A4C.004D5F95@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Echelon is working fine ...E    Q =================================================================================s    J Assunto: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t          aken.    9 Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content.h  F Place = Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com; ; ; fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br, Sender = fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br$ Subject = Re: Windows-XP on Alpha ??. Delivery Time = May 14, 2001 (Monday) 07:59:12 Policy = Dirty Words( Action on this mail = Quarantine message  # Warning message from administrator:87 Sender, Content filter has detected a sensitive e-mail.f   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:23:46 GMT & From: adroso@home.com (Still Learning)" Subject: Setting Up An FTP Account8 Message-ID: <3aff941c.2277627@news.jamison1.pa.home.com>  F I'm new at this, so go easy on me ... I have a user account on my V7.2F VAX that I want to login to via FTP from a PC on my LAN, but each timeF it tells me Login Incorrect even though I *KNOW* I'm using the correctC username and password.  I can get in using my SYSTEM account, and I E copied the SYSTEM account to the username I want to use in AUTHORIZE,eE but it won't accept the new username.  Obvious, I'm missing something0 ... what is it?d   ------------------------------    Date: 14 May 2001 08:18:46 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t& Subject: Re: Setting Up An FTP Account3 Message-ID: <s11cpb5lW7Vv@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  a In article <3aff941c.2277627@news.jamison1.pa.home.com>, adroso@home.com (Still Learning) writes:iH > I'm new at this, so go easy on me ... I have a user account on my V7.2H > VAX that I want to login to via FTP from a PC on my LAN, but each timeH > it tells me Login Incorrect even though I *KNOW* I'm using the correctE > username and password.  I can get in using my SYSTEM account, and IaG > copied the SYSTEM account to the username I want to use in AUTHORIZE,kG > but it won't accept the new username.  Obvious, I'm missing somethingb > ... what is it?t  9 Have you tried logging into this account interactively?  n  F If you used AUTHORIZE to copy the SYSTEM account, then the password isH invalid until you use AUTHORIZE to change it once (the username is input to the hashing algorithm).  % So what you "*KNOW*" may not be true.t  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupnE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinge   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:13:06 -0500D1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> & Subject: Re: Setting Up An FTP Account' Message-ID: <3AFFF602.FF1B4AD7@fsi.net>t   Still Learning wrote:j > H > I'm new at this, so go easy on me ... I have a user account on my V7.2H > VAX that I want to login to via FTP from a PC on my LAN, but each timeH > it tells me Login Incorrect even though I *KNOW* I'm using the correctE > username and password.  I can get in using my SYSTEM account, and IAG > copied the SYSTEM account to the username I want to use in AUTHORIZE,MG > but it won't accept the new username.  Obvious, I'm missing somethingt > ... what is it?   F Wild guess time (since I don't have my Alpha back up and running yet):G check the DISUSER flag on the new account. That one frequently gets me.5   -- a David J. DachteraD dba DJE Systemsl http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/.  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.=   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:04:52 GMTr& From: adroso@home.com (Still Learning)& Subject: Re: Setting Up An FTP Account9 Message-ID: <3b0001e8.30390266@news.jamison1.pa.home.com>   C Yes, I changed the password when I copied the account and I can logs into it interactively.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:07:53 GMTo& From: adroso@home.com (Still Learning)& Subject: Re: Setting Up An FTP Account9 Message-ID: <3b00023f.30477564@news.jamison1.pa.home.com>w    No DISUSER flag for the account.  2 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   >Still Learning wrote: >> hI >> I'm new at this, so go easy on me ... I have a user account on my V7.2tI >> VAX that I want to login to via FTP from a PC on my LAN, but each timeaI >> it tells me Login Incorrect even though I *KNOW* I'm using the correctpF >> username and password.  I can get in using my SYSTEM account, and IH >> copied the SYSTEM account to the username I want to use in AUTHORIZE,H >> but it won't accept the new username.  Obvious, I'm missing something >> ... what is it? >uG >Wild guess time (since I don't have my Alpha back up and running yet): H >check the DISUSER flag on the new account. That one frequently gets me. >  >--  >David J. Dachtera >dba DJE Systems >http://www.djesys.com/d > ; >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:a  >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > G >This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings( >is to be expected.s >aA >Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.u >oG >However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, arem >strongly discouraged.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:37:36 -0400e- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> & Subject: Re: Setting Up An FTP Account( Message-ID: <3B0017D2.7C90C952@ohio.edu>  B Let me reiterate a previous response:  when you COPY an account inK AUTHORIZE, it copies every field except those you specify as different (theOJ username, at least).  In particular, unless you explicitly override it, it0 will copy the bit pattern of the password field.  K When you go to login, LOGINOUT takes your proffered username, and password,-K together with the "salt" and uses the algorithm specified for that usernamecJ and, and hashes out the bit pattern to compare with the one in SYSUAF.DAT.D Because the username is included as part of the input of the hashingL algorithm, it is virtually guaranteed that the result will not match the bitC pattern that was stored for SYSTEM, especially if you type the sameaJ password.  Therefore, when you COPY an account, you must also, from withinK AUTHORIZE, set the password, either after  the COPY or as part of the COPY:t   UAF> help copy /password   COPY     /PASSWORDw  )         /PASSWORD=(password1[,password2])'         /NOPASSWORDs   [snip]  I      When you create a new UAF record with the COPY command, you **MUST**t      specify a password.   {emphasis added}    #                                 RDPg     Still Learning wrote:D  " > No DISUSER flag for the account. >i4 > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: >b > >Still Learning wrote: > >>K > >> I'm new at this, so go easy on me ... I have a user account on my V7.21K > >> VAX that I want to login to via FTP from a PC on my LAN, but each time K > >> it tells me Login Incorrect even though I *KNOW* I'm using the correctrH > >> username and password.  I can get in using my SYSTEM account, and IJ > >> copied the SYSTEM account to the username I want to use in AUTHORIZE,J > >> but it won't accept the new username.  Obvious, I'm missing something > >> ... what is it? > > I > >Wild guess time (since I don't have my Alpha back up and running yet): J > >check the DISUSER flag on the new account. That one frequently gets me. > >5 > >--  > >David J. Dachtera > >dba DJE Systems > >http://www.djesys.com/e > >t= > >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:d" > >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > >pI > >This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings  > >is to be expected.. > > C > >Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.c > > I > >However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are  > >strongly discouraged.   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 07:50:19 GMT) From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: SLEEP BUTTONg' Message-ID: <3AFF8E3A.AE3CF2E1@home.nl>p   Wayne Sewell wrote:m  R > In article <3.0.6.32.20010513083722.00794780@pop.indy.net>, mwe@indy.net writes:L > > I own a Compaq Presario 7360. When I press the sleep button, the monitorM > > turn off but the fan and the motor keep running. I don't like this noise. M > > Is there any way that I can set this computer up so that when I press the M > > sleep button the fan and the motor get turned off and stays off until the-E > > computer comes back on again? Thank you very much. Michael Westoni >tN > Throw the entire system into a dumpster.  Once it departs on its trip to theE > landfill to fulfill its true destiny, you will have absolute quiet.a >/Q > If and when you get a real computer, as opposed to a nintendo with delusions ofn# > grandeur, come back and visit us.E  T But I seriously doubt if he ever will after receiving a reply like this. So he is inQ the wrong newsgroup, and the most of us have a dislike for M$ Windooz stuff. ThattP doesn't mean we have to be rude to someone who asks very politely if we can helpL him. I sometimes get the feeling that certain contributers to this newsgroupR mistakenly think they are in a kind of virtual Jerry Springer show. Let us take an6 example from VMS itself, and stay elegant and stylish.         >$ >  > --Q > ===============================================================================1O > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : > http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.htmlM > change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)EQ > ===============================================================================tM > Hotel guy (after bed demolition):  That bed goes back to Henry the eighth!! Q >    Curly: That's nothin'!  We had a bed go back to Sears and Roebuck the fifth!    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:38:39 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) Subject: Re: SLEEP BUTTONk1 Message-ID: <P5SL6.226$fi2.4765@news.cpqcorp.net>   = As others have mentioned (perhaps not quite as diplomaticallyT9 as they might have), this news group doesn't really cover, PCs.  8 If you can't find the information you want at the Compaq@ web site for PCs (there is stuff there that covers configuration6 questions similar to this) you might try asking in one4 of the news groups that does deal with PCs.  I'm not: intimately familiar with them, but alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq> compaq.general comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.* or even comp.sys.dec" are probably good places to start.   -- ,(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have aA5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:40:14 GMT 0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander) Subject: Re: SLEEP BUTTONy1 Message-ID: <i7SL6.228$fi2.4381@news.cpqcorp.net>g  H In article <3AFF8E3A.AE3CF2E1@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: |> |> |>Wayne Sewell wrote:e |>T |>> In article <3.0.6.32.20010513083722.00794780@pop.indy.net>, mwe@indy.net writes:N |>> > I own a Compaq Presario 7360. When I press the sleep button, the monitorO |>> > turn off but the fan and the motor keep running. I don't like this noise.tO |>> > Is there any way that I can set this computer up so that when I press thepO |>> > sleep button the fan and the motor get turned off and stays off until the G |>> > computer comes back on again? Thank you very much. Michael Westont |>>e    G Go to http://communities.compaq.com/ which is the compaq 'my presario' mG communities page. You should be able to get help there. Or you can sendl3 mail at http://askq.compaq.com/askpresario/form.asp   H Also.. http://forum.compaq.com will get you to the compaq support forums  D [and lets keep the OpenVMS topic's out of here, I'll open a seperate. topic about doing support forum's for OpenVMS]   -warrenh  B ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comE 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.come3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875 6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself -          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ oB ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:49:54 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> . Subject: Re: Some more bits looking for a home8 Message-ID: <uo7vft83u7ofke0iteu72hqt5468nppqno@4ax.com>  E On Sun, 13 May 2001 11:04:13 +0100, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote:s     >>      K >Did PDPs ever offer more than 9600 baud? (it is 20 years since I used one)e  3 Yes, you could get 19,200 at least with some cards.t   >___ >Paul StureC >Switzerland   -- Alan   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:51:38 +0000 (UTC)l* From: don@news.daedalus.co.nz (Don Stokes). Subject: Re: Some more bits looking for a home2 Message-ID: <9dont9$2e3d$1@raewyn.paradise.net.nz>  ' Alan Greig  <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:aF >On Sun, 13 May 2001 11:04:13 +0100, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote:L >>Did PDPs ever offer more than 9600 baud? (it is 20 years since I used one)4 >Yes, you could get 19,200 at least with some cards.  C Quite a number would go to 38400 with or without external clocking,dD including the otherwise completely stupid DLV11-J (and other DLVs?).  F The DHV11 can do it, but its output rate is limited to 2 kcps.  It canG take 3.84 kcps inbound OK, if the CPU, OS & workload are up to it.  ThenF DHV's DUARTs had a wierd setup that couldn't select 38400 and 19200 onG two ports that share the same DUART, i.e. if port 0 is at 38400, port 1e< can't go at 19200, but port 2 can, being on a differn DUART.  E The DHQ11 is quite happy to go at full tilt both ways and without thet DUART bogostity.  D DZ11 compatible devices don't have enough bits in the CSRs to select? speeds greater than 9600, even if the UARTs were capable of it.   F I never played much with UNIBUS kit, but I'm pretty sure the DHU11 canC go at 38400 without external clocking.  Not sure about other UNIBUSa SLUs.a   -- don   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:39:59 +0000 (UTC) ' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)e+ Subject: Re: The future of VMS - * Humour *a+ Message-ID: <9dog6f$ntm$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>h  [ In article <3AFC3A27.4F821F71@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:-  >William_Bochnik@acml.com wrote: >> oD >> Dont go there - if Compaq (or then Digital) marketed the Alpha to8 >> Sega as the 64 bit processor for it's game system.... >> a6 >> VMS or whatever for the OS - they'd rule the world. >gH >At $1400 USD or so a piece (due to VMS licensing costs), I doubt they'd >sell very many. >a  P What licensing costs. A pure games machine is by definition a hobbyist system :)  
 David Webb VMs and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------   Date: 14 May 2001 16:48:52 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)-+ Subject: Re: The future of VMS - * Humour *0+ Message-ID: <9dp29k$93l$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>p  + In article <VA.00000392.3e5ff01d@sture.ch>, #  Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:c= |> In article <3AFE45DD.797D2F86@Omond.net>, Roy Omond wrote:F$ |> > From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> |> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms0 |> > Subject: Re: The future of VMS - * Humour ** |> > Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:29:17 +0100 |> >   |> > Paul Sture wrote: |> > o |> > > [... snip snip ...]Q |> > > And how I wish I still had my old VAX vacuum cleaner - I'd then be able tocE |> > > take a photo of a VAXcluster, complete with thick I/O hose :-)d |> > > |> > aA |> > I/*O* hose ???  I sincerely hope it's an Input hose only :-)i |> > m2 |> Rats! I suppose I knew I had that coming... :-)  @ Most vacuums I know of have an outlet connection as well, si I/OA is probably accurate.  I know the ones on old home vacuums when I @ was a kid were for mothproofing.  The one on my shopvac is greatB for emptying and drying the water lines on my swimming pool filter= for winterization, so I guess they are mostly still I/O.  :-)m   bill   -- oJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:52:18 -0500 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> 8 Subject: RE: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variantsL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1E42@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----2 > From: Christof Brass [mailto:brass@infopuls.com]   > andrew harrison wrote:   > Christof Brass wrote:i  A > > > From what I know the WINE people don't put much effort into1E > > > their project. These are pasttime programmers and honestly theytA > > > don't use very advanced techniques from my point of view. AhD > > > friend of mine has reverse engineered substantial parts of theB > > > M$ COM DLLs and he could easily do the same for every single > > > service within WNT.     K I have had occasion to look at the wine source code.  I must say that whileuD it's not perfect by any means, it seems very well done in most partsL (different parts being done by different people, the quality varies some...)  I I really think that the problem is not in the reverse engineering, but in K the re-implementation.  They must come up with work-alike code that, to M$,cH looks nothing like M$ code. :) Certainly a very difficult task, since M$/ takes even other peoples' code for their own ;)-    7 > > Why not post this to the WINE newsgroup. They might 6 > > disagree, they were at one point putting out a new$ > > WINE release roughly every week.  ? > Interesting that you are using this pointless measurement forlA > quality (remember what I pointed out with reagard to complexity-? > of the problem?) and quantity of development effort - did youeA > work at Micro$hit? They build every night a new NT. Very modernt= > and efficient way to develop something, don't you think so?o  G I have to agree with you here.  An automated weekly build means nothingm; about the amount of productive changes made to the product.    Regards,   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developerg Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");i 't   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:58:10 +0100n0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants* Message-ID: <3B000092.209A953E@uk.sun.com>   Christof Brass wrote:g >  > andrew harrison wrote: > >e > > Christof Brass wrote:i >  > [SNIP] > D > > > This comes up from time to time and it's hard not to have read > > > of it. > > > Do you know WABI?w > >eE > > Christof after this resonse and your response to my posting aboutt5 > > WABI I think you need to watch "The weakest link"o >  > ?? > B > I posted this before I read and replied to your WABI post. Is it: > impossible for you to deduce this from the posting time?    2 Yes I knew you posted this prior to your response 5 to my post. My comment was based on your willingness l. to use to diametrically opposite arguments in  the same thread.     Regards  Andrew Harrisonp Enterprise IT Architecta   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:12:05 +0100t0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants) Message-ID: <3B0003D5.760539F@uk.sun.com>P   Dave Weatherall wrote: > . > On Wed, 9 May 2001 17:35:19, andrew harrison# > <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:J >  > > Christof Brass wrote:n > > >t > > D > > > SUN will sooner or later replace Solaris by Linux. You can see > > > signs of this already. > > " > > Ohh and what signs are they ?? > >o > D > An article in this month's UK PC Magazine describes the Sun CobaltF > Qube 3. A Web/Email/File server that runs on an AMD cpu under Linux. > Does that qualify :-)n >    No not really.  = Sun bought Cobalt a few months ago. The Cobalt boxes are now b: being sold by Sun as is the ChilliSoft ASP (Active Server - Pages) product which Cobalt had just aquired.i  6 Cobalt boxes use a highly packaged version of Red Hat 2 running on AMD or Intel boxes and all the current 3 Cube or RAq boxes from SunCobalt are based on this.   7 I don't know if we intend to move this to SPARC/Solaris 7 but Linux is a good choice for the small appliance type/ device that the Cobalts are.     Regards  Andrew Harrisone Enterprise IT Architecta   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:55:50 -0500s+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>r8 Subject: RE: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variantsL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1E44@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----< > From: djweath@attglobal.net [mailto:djweath@attglobal.net]  / > On Wed, 9 May 2001 17:35:19, andrew harrison 9# > <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:e   > > Christof Brass wrote:Y  D > > > SUN will sooner or later replace Solaris by Linux. You can see > > > signs of this already.  " > > Ohh and what signs are they ??  E > An article in this month's UK PC Magazine describes the Sun Cobalt iG > Qube 3. A Web/Email/File server that runs on an AMD cpu under Linux.   > Does that qualify :-)   I Well, first off, I thought that the Qube was done by a different company.eI Perhaps Sun acquired them?  That would be interesting, but I would remindsJ everyone that Sun has attempted to produce intel hardware before, and thenF decided it wasn't such a good idea.  Remember the 386i workstation?  I$ rather liked it, for an intel box...   Regards,   Chriss  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developerc Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  'A   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:09:25 -0500r+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>i8 Subject: RE: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variantsL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1E45@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----2 > From: Christof Brass [mailto:brass@infopuls.com]  = > Does anyone know if this is really Linux? Solaris has a 386 A > version though I don't know if it still in synch with the SPARCo  I Yeah, it's linux.  It appears that Sun bought the company that made this, J and continues to sell the product.  I suppose there's nothing keeping themL from selling a Solaris version of it, on the other hand, but see my previous? comment on the 386i workstation.  (It was a pretty big flop. :)h   Regards,   Chrish  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer, Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");l 'u   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:56:36 -0400t5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants1 Message-ID: <g0VL6.249$fi2.5728@news.cpqcorp.net>c  I Ignoring potential sources of *useful* software is simple stupidity.  ThemI fact that an application is written to use UNIX library/system interfacesbC does not mean that it has no value, or no value to an OpenVMS user.i  K Rewriting much of this software to replace UNIX calls with VMS calls is notsJ only mostly pointless, but counterproductive in that it then takes you outH of the mainstream and increases the diffculty of obtaining new versions.        C Christof Brass wrote in message <3AF9E5AD.476C6E94@infopuls.com>...h >Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:  >>. >> Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: >>2 >> > There is no point in having UNIX apps on VMS. >>L >> I suggest you first define what a "UNIX app" is - possibly in contrast to? >> a "VMS app" - and then we might have a basis for discussion.. >> >>         Jan >a< >Simply an app which uses mostly UNIX system calls and which@ >doesn't take full advantage of the VMS features like RMS files.1 >Poorly ported UNIX apps which should run on VMS.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:13:25 +0100n- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>s Subject: VMS 7.3 kit( Message-ID: <3B000425.3414060@bbc.co.uk>   Hi  5 Got my 7.3 kit today. Nice OpenVMS CDrom holder case.p  : However, no VMS VAX 7.3 CD or installation manual, athough% the manual says they should be there.d  G Should I just feel lucky I got the Alpha version, or victimised becauseeA I havn't got the VAX kit? Could be a support contract weirdness I  suppose.     regardso   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukr  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofo MedAS or the BBC.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:11:12 -0400s; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> # Subject: Re: VMS NFS mounts on UNIXf" Message-ID: <3b0011c2@news.si.com>  A >Can someone advise me on how to nfs mount a VMS disk onto a unix 
 >environment.-  G Depends on the IP stack you're using.  For Compaq TCP/IP, see the TCPIP=: EXPORT command.  For Multinet, see MULTINET CONFIGURE/NFS. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comhA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comi= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent=< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 07:19:54 -0600R4 From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam># Subject: Re: Windows-XP on Alpha ?? 0 Message-ID: <%XQL6.15$SU3.22292@news.uswest.net>  E I like Chuck's idea of opening the source code of no-longer supported6D software.  I'd even go further to say that since the author won't beI supporting it, there should be no licensing charges at that point either.l --
 Mike Ober.  7 "Chuck Chopp" <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> wrote in message % news:3AFE96E4.A4DC9AEF@rtfmcsi.com...t > JF Mezei wrote:a >n > [...snip...] >  >t > >yL > > What exactly does Windows XP have that is so dramatically different from anK > > eterprise server point of view ? And from a workstation point of view ?m >yH > From the workstation point of view I'm really disappointed with XP. At least Win2KBI > offered USB support, IEEE 1394 support, CardBus support, better general  PnPaK > support (nice for laptops) and functional power management.  All of thesel thingsJ > were present in Win95 (with patches) and in Win98, but they were more or lessA > lacking in WinNT.  Given a choice between Win9x and WinNT for a- developmente7 > platform, I'd choose NT any day over the 9x platform.t >cK > I've also done a little testing with the personal edition of XP and it is4 just aL > pared down version of Win2K Pro with all of the UI changes that XP carries alongi > like unneeded baggage. >wK > I have not run the XP server or  any of the higher level versions as I'vew not hadtE > the hardware to test them on.  The whole XP family is just the samet	 operatingnI > system with incrementally increasing support for more CPUs, more memoryh and moreK > enabled features as you move up the ladder from the person edition to the G > professional edition to the server edition to the advanced/enterprisef
 server and% > then on to the data center edition.h > H > At this point, what I've seen from the betas of XP that I've test with	 leaves meiJ > very disappointed and somewhat frustrated.  Once again M$ has completely changed L > the user interface and the desktop layout.  The changes are very extensive andtF > they more or less look like somebody has been dumbing down the WinNT platform toOB > the point where your typical Win9x home user could avoid feeling intimidated by@ > the system.  I ended up spending my first 30 minutes after the installation just-G > trying to restore the behavior of the desktop, the start menu and theC WindowsoI > Explorer back to what I had on WinNT v4.0.  Afterwards, I was basically3	 left with E > something that looked like Win2K but had gone through a bad case of  creepingB > feature-itis and bad intestinal bloat.  Actually, the disk space requirements forE > a full installation [something around 1GB] could allow me to draw a-
 comparison< > between XP and the bloated carcass of a large dead animal. >0D > I can understand from the M$ point of view that XP is good for the softwareI > development folks there because it does give them a single code base to@ workK > from.  It eliminates MSDOS and the remaining 16-bit operating system code  that wasH > present in Win9x.  Also, the device driver architecture is now unified
 across allH > levels of the operating system, so the many device support issues that existedaC > across the various generations of the 9x vs. NT platforms will be  eliminated; noJ > more .DRV vs. .VXD vs. .WDM vs. .SYS problems.  Of course, the sacrifice that isoK > made to achieve this is that only hardware released in the last 18 monthsG or soa@ > will get new device drivers developed under the current driver architecture.  This.K > means that a lot of functional hardware will have to be replaced with newI hardwareI > simply because the device drivers don't exist any longer to support theu hardware8 > on the latest Win(fill in the blank) operating system. >wL > This whole device driver and hardware support issues is actually something thatK > has had me pissed off for a while.  When I upgraded one of my development, serverskG > from WinNT Server v4.0 to Win2K Server I found out that my trusty oldl Exabyte 8500G > 8mm tape drive [actually taken from a MTI tape backup system in a now, defunct VMS'K > cluster] would no longer work because the tape drive was 13 years old ande M$ didI > not write a new tape drive device driver.  The answer back from M$ techa supportiH > was that they could not be expected to develop drivers for hardware of	 that age,hK > regardless of the fact that the hardware was still quite suitable for usep today.L > Anyway, what I'd like to propose is that all computer system and component vendors D > be required to place software source code in an open source escrow account.  IfL > the vendor ever decides to drop support for a particular software product, a H > particular operating system or a particular model of hardware then the source codeAL > held in the escrow account could be released to the public so that anybody whomH > wants to take on self-support could do so.  In my situation I'd gladly take a shot D > at writing an updated device driver so that my existing tape drive hardware couldF > continue to be used.  This type of self-support and public access to source codetH > is one of the things that has allowed Linux to continue growing in its
 support of > a wide range of hardware.f >t >  > --
 > Chuck Chopp  >a: > ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com2 >                                   ICQ # 22321532B > RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail4 > 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax6 > Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager9 >                                   8007740718@skytel.comh >r >s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:28:03 -0300o) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brp# Subject: Re: Windows-XP on Alpha ?? L Message-ID: <OF2102FA8C.989BE387-ON03256A4C.0049E800@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Oh yeah   B Open the code of MicroVMS .... and it will be ported to Intel ....   Regardsa   FC        E "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> em 14/05/2001 10:19:54e  @ Favor responder a "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam>             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu      # Assunto: Re: Windows-XP on Alpha ??e    E I like Chuck's idea of opening the source code of no-longer supportedoD software.  I'd even go further to say that since the author won't beI supporting it, there should be no licensing charges at that point either.p --
 Mike Ober.  7 "Chuck Chopp" <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> wrote in messagei% news:3AFE96E4.A4DC9AEF@rtfmcsi.com...y > JF Mezei wrote:/ >  > [...snip...] >o >i > >nG > > What exactly does Windows XP have that is so dramatically differentc from anK > > eterprise server point of view ? And from a workstation point of view ?  > H > From the workstation point of view I'm really disappointed with XP. At least Win2K-I > offered USB support, IEEE 1394 support, CardBus support, better generalm PnPcK > support (nice for laptops) and functional power management.  All of these  thingsJ > were present in Win95 (with patches) and in Win98, but they were more or lessA > lacking in WinNT.  Given a choice between Win9x and WinNT for ao developmentw7 > platform, I'd choose NT any day over the 9x platform.m >aK > I've also done a little testing with the personal edition of XP and it ise just aD > pared down version of Win2K Pro with all of the UI changes that XP carriess alongy > like unneeded baggage. >eK > I have not run the XP server or  any of the higher level versions as I've  not haduE > the hardware to test them on.  The whole XP family is just the same 	 operatingoI > system with incrementally increasing support for more CPUs, more memoryp and moreK > enabled features as you move up the ladder from the person edition to the G > professional edition to the server edition to the advanced/enterpriseh
 server and% > then on to the data center edition.  >hH > At this point, what I've seen from the betas of XP that I've test with	 leaves mehJ > very disappointed and somewhat frustrated.  Once again M$ has completely changedlB > the user interface and the desktop layout.  The changes are very	 extensivee andhF > they more or less look like somebody has been dumbing down the WinNT platform toeB > the point where your typical Win9x home user could avoid feeling intimidated by@ > the system.  I ended up spending my first 30 minutes after the installation justdG > trying to restore the behavior of the desktop, the start menu and thel WindowsiI > Explorer back to what I had on WinNT v4.0.  Afterwards, I was basically 	 left withoE > something that looked like Win2K but had gone through a bad case ofo creepingB > feature-itis and bad intestinal bloat.  Actually, the disk space requirements forE > a full installation [something around 1GB] could allow me to draw ar
 comparison< > between XP and the bloated carcass of a large dead animal. > D > I can understand from the M$ point of view that XP is good for the softwareI > development folks there because it does give them a single code base tou workK > from.  It eliminates MSDOS and the remaining 16-bit operating system codeB that wasH > present in Win9x.  Also, the device driver architecture is now unified
 across allH > levels of the operating system, so the many device support issues that existed C > across the various generations of the 9x vs. NT platforms will beo eliminated; noJ > more .DRV vs. .VXD vs. .WDM vs. .SYS problems.  Of course, the sacrifice that is K > made to achieve this is that only hardware released in the last 18 monthss or sor@ > will get new device drivers developed under the current driver architecture.  ThisrK > means that a lot of functional hardware will have to be replaced with new  hardwareI > simply because the device drivers don't exist any longer to support thep hardware8 > on the latest Win(fill in the blank) operating system. >oB > This whole device driver and hardware support issues is actually	 something> thatK > has had me pissed off for a while.  When I upgraded one of my development6 serverssG > from WinNT Server v4.0 to Win2K Server I found out that my trusty oldd Exabyte 8500G > 8mm tape drive [actually taken from a MTI tape backup system in a now  defunct VMS K > cluster] would no longer work because the tape drive was 13 years old and  M$ didI > not write a new tape drive device driver.  The answer back from M$ techi supportnH > was that they could not be expected to develop drivers for hardware of	 that age,rK > regardless of the fact that the hardware was still quite suitable for use. today.B > Anyway, what I'd like to propose is that all computer system and	 components vendorshD > be required to place software source code in an open source escrow account.  IfC > the vendor ever decides to drop support for a particular software  product, anH > particular operating system or a particular model of hardware then the source codewD > held in the escrow account could be released to the public so that anybodye wholH > wants to take on self-support could do so.  In my situation I'd gladly take a shotiD > at writing an updated device driver so that my existing tape drive hardware couldF > continue to be used.  This type of self-support and public access to source code4H > is one of the things that has allowed Linux to continue growing in its
 support of > a wide range of hardware.i >a >e > --
 > Chuck Choppj >t: > ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com2 >                                   ICQ # 22321532B > RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail4 > 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax6 > Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager9 >                                   8007740718@skytel.comz >  >c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:42:47 -0500M+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> # Subject: RE: Windows-XP on Alpha ??hL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1E43@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]  < > What exactly does Windows XP have that is so dramatically  > different from anr@ > eterprise server point of view ? And from a workstation point  > of view ?i  D Well, not that I'd touch it myself, but I have a friend who has someK friends... anyway, he's not as morally opposed to M$ as I, and he says that G the difference is nil.  All the configuration is done with XML, and the 9 desktop is redone.  Underneath, nothing really different.T   Regards,   Chrisd  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer5 Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");B 's  a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:23:59 +0200a, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>L Subject: [EVENT] Last call for =?iso-8859-1?Q?Z=FCrich?= dinner registration& Message-ID: <3AFFF88F.771E832C@gmx.ch>  F On the 18th of May, this Friday, will take place the OpenVMS Technical  Update Seminar in Compaq Zrich.  C After this show and totally independant in terms of organization, at dinner has been set up.g  H We are already 8 people. If you will attend this seminar and if you read$ this, you are welcome to the dinner.  = Feel free to send mail to Didier.Morandi@ubs.com to register.) Thanks.    D. -- - Compaq Computer (Schweiz) GmbH! berlandstrasse 1, 8600 Dbendorf  GSM: +41 79 7054670e   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.266 ************************