1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 15 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 268       Contents:& Apologies... It was an accidental Mail Asvr 1000A and a 9GB disk  RE: Asvr 1000A and a 9GB disk  Re: Asvr 1000A and a 9GB disk   Re: Broken VMS BACKUP on VMS 7.2  Re: Broken VMS BACKUP on VMS 7.2 Console docs URL Re: Console docs URL RE: Console docs URL! Re: Finding another processes PC? ! Re: Finding another processes PC? ! Re: Finding another processes PC? ! Re: Finding another processes PC? ! Re: Finding another processes PC? ! Re: Finding another processes PC?  Installing gigabit etherne Re: Installing gigabit etherne RE: KZPCC under OpenVMS  Laser Power event  Re: Laser Power event  RE: Laser Power event  RE: Laser Power event  Re: Laser Power event ? Re: Looking for content contributors - OpenVMS on-line training ? Re: Looking for content contributors - OpenVMS on-line training  Main system crashed - EOT?( Managing hosts databases with TCPIP V5.x0 Re: Mozilla 0.9 how do I save email attachments. Re: Question re: Java and C++ ! Re: Resetting queue Entry Numbers  SET WATCH question Re: SET WATCH question Re: SET WATCH question Re: SET WATCH question Re: Setting Up An FTP Account # Re: SLIP on TCPIP servives V5 (VAX)  Re: Sun's McNealy, 98% pay cut" Re: The future of VMS - * Humour *" Re: The future of VMS - * Humour *, Re: Unsupported Cobol compilation switches ?, Re: Unsupported Cobol compilation switches ? Re: VAX memory ? VMS 5.5-2h4 and y2k  Re: VMS 5.5-2h4 and y2k  Re: VMS 7.3 kit  RE: VMS 7.3 kit  Re: VMS 7.3 kit 
 werwerwerw Re: werwerwerw: Re: XDM logins and Advanced Server external authentication: RE: XDM logins and Advanced Server external authentication [INFO] PCSI_MENU FAQ  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:39:03 +0530 , From: Shiv <Sivakumar.Thangavelu@oracle.com>/ Subject: Apologies... It was an accidental Mail * Message-ID: <3B0162AF.B461F018@oracle.com>  A Zillion Apologies.....  It was an accidental mail to the group...  Kindly discard....   _  Shiv     Shiv wrote:    > -- > L > "Technology is dominated by those who manage what they do not understand."L >                                                   -- Edward A. Murphy, Jr.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:13:11 +0200 1 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski@hotmail.com> " Subject: Asvr 1000A and a 9GB disk. Message-ID: <9drdhu$18ka$1@news2.ipartners.pl>   Hi all,   H Is it possible to add a 9GB RZ1DF-VW disk to a 1000A 5/400 Alpha Server?: We tried, but it is recognized as RZ2DA-LA by the console.J We have installed the newest console firmware, but it doesn't work anyway.* The SCSI controller is standard, non-RAID.   TIA    --   T. D.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:38:47 -0700 ! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> & Subject: RE: Asvr 1000A and a 9GB disk9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEEGCJAA.tom@kednos.com>   D This has previously been discussed and has to do with the disklabel.& see the following thread for more info  9 http://aa11.cjb.net/tru64_unix_managers/2000/11/0433.html    > -----Original Message-----8 > From: Tomasz Dryjanski [mailto:tdryjanski@hotmail.com]% > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:13 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com $ > Subject: Asvr 1000A and a 9GB disk >  > 	 > Hi all,  > J > Is it possible to add a 9GB RZ1DF-VW disk to a 1000A 5/400 Alpha Server?< > We tried, but it is recognized as RZ2DA-LA by the console.L > We have installed the newest console firmware, but it doesn't work anyway., > The SCSI controller is standard, non-RAID. >  > TIA  >  > -- >  > T. D.  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:38:26 -0400 8 From: "Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@islandco.com>& Subject: Re: Asvr 1000A and a 9GB disk/ Message-ID: <tg2flrbjdlbc84@news.supernews.com>   ' RZ2DA-LA is a base "brick" part number.   J This RZ1DA-LA is the part used in the DS-RZ1DF-VW, RZ1DA-VW et., and is an! 9./1GB 7200rpm LVD/SE disk drive.   E You cannot use it in a NARROW 8 Bit environment as far as I am aware.   D Do you have the narrow or wide controller installed (or is it on the$ motherboard - It's been so so long )K If it's wide - the drive should auto negotiate down to Single Ended Wide or  Ultra Wide.      David    -- Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory Street 	 Suite 150  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0096  sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com  C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whomE they are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended 
 recipient,G please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete this  message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.    < "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski@hotmail.com> wrote in message( news:9drdhu$18ka$1@news2.ipartners.pl...	 > Hi all,  > J > Is it possible to add a 9GB RZ1DF-VW disk to a 1000A 5/400 Alpha Server?< > We tried, but it is recognized as RZ2DA-LA by the console.L > We have installed the newest console firmware, but it doesn't work anyway., > The SCSI controller is standard, non-RAID. >  > TIA  >  > -- >  > T. D.  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:31:09 GMT - From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> ) Subject: Re: Broken VMS BACKUP on VMS 7.2 0 Message-ID: <3B013DAA.5DC14CC0@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Dirk Munk wrote:? > You should see [vms$common] entries, not [syscommon] entries.   A Oh dear.  Both my system disks (VAX and Alpha) have this problem.    G > There is a simple way to repair this, but I would have to look it up.   7 Where might I look for this repair?  Thanks in advance!    ------------------------------  , Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:07:23 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>) Subject: Re: Broken VMS BACKUP on VMS 7.2 J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105151655420.19807-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  , On Tue, 15 May 2001, Jonathan Boswell wrote:   >+Dirk Munk wrote:A >+> You should see [vms$common] entries, not [syscommon] entries.  >+C >+Oh dear.  Both my system disks (VAX and Alpha) have this problem.  >+  I >+> There is a simple way to repair this, but I would have to look it up.  >+9 >+Where might I look for this repair?  Thanks in advance!   5  Be aware: the step fixes the filename, not backlink. >  You can STILL correct the backlink - but on live system... ;> (see after cited text)2 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++4 From zessin@my-dejanews.com Tue May 15 16:55:32 2001# Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:06:36 GMT ) From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-dejanews.com>  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com A Subject: Re: Batch queue filenames in 7.1-2 wrong for SYS$MANAGER  [...]  What usually works is:$ $ set DEFAULT SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000]% $ rename VMS$COMMON.DIR SYSCOMMON.DIR % $ rename SYSCOMMON.DIR VMS$COMMON.DIR   E This fixes the filename entry *in* the file header (which is wrong on E your disk[1]) unless [000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR is not the primary entry. F Then you have to hunt for it and place it in [000000]. I've once found9 a disk with *NO* VMS$COMMON.DIR and the primary entry was  [SYSE]SYSCOMMON.DIR.   [1] You can check that with:>     $ DUMP /HEADER /BLOCKS=COUNT=0 disk:[000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR8     It's after "File name"  below "Identification area".  , Please take a BACKUP/IMAGE before you begin!   --
 Uwe Zessin+ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++   <  If the backlink DID is wrong - RENAME must also correct it.  9  BUT - you must "move" the names between directories. And > you must "lose" whole SYS$SYSROOT (means: not "see" it between7 the RENAME) then will propose working from CD-ROM boot; = do NOT in on the "live" system disk :) (Sure, you CAN recover = even from RENAMEd SYS$SYSROOT directories from any privileged 6 interactive session, DEFINE doesn't use any image, but4 you users may be not happy with all side effect :>!)  8  The expected "original" is [000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR, then6 if the DID is wrong it must be in [SYSn]SYS$COMMON.DIR  	  What do: ) $ SET FILE [000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR;/REMOVE :  Be aware: *if* something goes wrong you can still /REPAIR/  the disk and get the directory in [SYSLOST] :) : $ RENAME [SYS0]SYSCOMMON.DIR - ! supose n=0 for most cases 	[000000]VMS$COMMON 7 $ SET FILE [000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR/ENTER=[SYS0]SYSCOMMON     Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:20:43 -0700 ! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Console docs URL 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEEECJAA.tom@kednos.com>   G Could someone point me to docs for the console?  which says V7.2-1 with  PALcode V1.20-16?   L Is there a way to scroll or page info on the screen without hitting ^S  ^Q ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:04:24 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: Console docs URL ' Message-ID: <3B014576.BB3C1B29@home.nl>   O Very good question, but I have never seen a complete document covering the SRM. P Then again, the SRM is (a bit) different for every Alpha, and so are the consoleK version numbers and PAL version numbers. So you have to mention the type of N Alpha before somone can tell you if the firmware is up to date.  But it sounds* like you're having a Personal Workstation.  5 Instead of using <ctrl>S <ctrl>Q, you can use piping. & For instance:       show config | more           Tom Linden wrote:   I > Could someone point me to docs for the console?  which says V7.2-1 with  > PALcode V1.20-16?  > N > Is there a way to scroll or page info on the screen without hitting ^S  ^Q ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:23:03 -0700 ! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: Console docs URL 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEEICJAA.tom@kednos.com>    it is a 433 AU.      SRM  V7.2-1  ARC  ... PALcode ....
 SROM v5.90   > -----Original Message-----' > From: Dirk Munk [mailto:munk@home.nl] % > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:04 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Re: Console docs URL  >  > @ > Very good question, but I have never seen a complete document  > covering the SRM. C > Then again, the SRM is (a bit) different for every Alpha, and so   > are the console B > version numbers and PAL version numbers. So you have to mention 
 > the type of C > Alpha before somone can tell you if the firmware is up to date.    > But it sounds , > like you're having a Personal Workstation. > 7 > Instead of using <ctrl>S <ctrl>Q, you can use piping. ( > For instance:       show config | more >  >  >  >  >  > Tom Linden wrote:  > K > > Could someone point me to docs for the console?  which says V7.2-1 with  > > PALcode V1.20-16?  > > @ > > Is there a way to scroll or page info on the screen without  > hitting ^S  ^Q ? >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:25:58 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) * Subject: Re: Finding another processes PC?0 Message-ID: <009FC098.BFCB37BF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <9dpium022hb@drn.newsguy.com>, Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> writes: @ >In article <14MAY01.19440328@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>, Dave says... >>. >>Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:@ >>> Is there a supported interface to finding another process's D >>> current PC (program counter)?  SHOW PROCESS/CONTINUOUS obviouslyC >>> does this, but my look through SYS$GETJPI (where I would expect D >>> this functionality to be) in the documentation doesn't show thisC >>> as an option there, so I'm either looking in the wrong place or . >>> SHOW PROC/CONT uses a different interface. >>C >>Assuming you're using a relatively recent version of VMS, look at  >>SYS$PROCESS_SCAN.  > F >It's 5.5-2.  And while it does have $PROCESS_SCAN, it looks like thisH >is a way to *select* which processes are scanned by a wildcard $GETJPI,K >not a way to get additional information beyond what's provided by $GETJPI.  > D >Is there some way to use $PROCESS_SCAN to get a process's PC?  I'veG >been staring at the description in the System Service book and I don't  >see how it'll do the job. >  >Tim >   E $GETJPI does not have an item list value to retrieve a PC.  It would, E in most cases, mean very little as you'd be queueing an AST for exec- $ tion in the target process randomly.  E You can hack together the code to get the PC quite easily.  You queue E an AST (privied... likely kernel mode).  The AST will be invoked with F the saved R0, R1, PC and PSL.  Your AST routine needs to queue anotherC AST back to the originating process with the value of the saved PC. ( It's all rather simple kernel hacking.    G If you'd like a more elaborate debugging tool, take a look at this URL:   = http://www.tmesis.com/help/@TMESIS_SNAPSHOT:SNAPSHOT/SNAPSHOT   F It can get you a process dump and/or a symbolic traceback of a runningE process.  It does NOT use an AST to do so (uses a mechanism which I'd E detailed at a DECUS seminar entitled "queueing an AST to an AST"), so D it can even get you the information if your process is looping in an AST.  It's cost is reasonable.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2001 04:35:57 -0700+ From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> * Subject: Re: Finding another processes PC?) Message-ID: <9dr4at01dbd@drn.newsguy.com>   7 In article <3B0047D0.28122F09@oracle.com>, norm says...  > + >You want to get a VMS listings CD and look  >at [LIUTL.LIS]INFO.LIS.  E Actually, it's [CLIUTL.LIS], but otherwise you are right on the nose.    >  The following code   >appears to do most of the work: > F >IF .resflg                        ! If resident then okay to send AST >THEN  >  BEGIN> >  CH$FILL(0,16,pcpsl_buf);        ! Initialize PC/PSL to zero: >  EXE$READ_PROCESS(EXE$CVT_EPID_TO_IPID(.proc_l_pid), 16,@ >     eacb$k_pc, pcpsl_buf, eacb$k_general_register, ast_count); >  END;  > - >From there, follow the listings to [SYS.LIS] . >PROC_READ_WRITE.LIS and read the comments for* >EXE$READ_PROCESS.  Presto - you're there.  F Thank you - indeed, PROC_READ_WRITE.LIS is where all the magic occurs.- I will have a busy day grokking the listings!    Tim.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:36:20 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> * Subject: Re: Finding another processes PC?) Message-ID: <3B0122C4.389C2836@bbc.co.uk>    Tim Shoppa wrote:   = > Is there a supported interface to finding another process's B > current PC (program counter)?  SHOW PROCESS/CONTINUOUS obviouslyA > does this, but my look through SYS$GETJPI (where I would expect B > this functionality to be) in the documentation doesn't show thisA > as an option there, so I'm either looking in the wrong place or , > SHOW PROC/CONT uses a different interface. > C > If there is no supported interface, I'd be very happy to be shown J > an example (somewhere in the DECUS tapes or in the Freeware collections)& > of an unsupported way of doing this. > H > This is all to track down the bug in a process that runs continuously,F > normally getting a few percent of CPU usage as it services requests,I > but it goes into 90+% CPU usage for a few minutes once every few months L > and then recovers. (My gut feeling is that it's a buffer overflow in the CP > source code.)  I've already written a program that uses SYS$GETJPI to sound anI > alert when this happens, but by the time someone gets to the console in P > central control to do the SHOW PROC/CONT things have (somehow) recovered.  AnyH > other hints on how we might debug such an intermittent looping will be > very welcome :-) >  > Tim.  C My favoured approach to tracking down really difficult to reproducecE and low frequency bugs is to take the test system  and really push it G hard to increase the probability of failure. Difficult to make concreterL suggestions without more details of the application, but tweaking parametersN to "silly" values to stress the software is the general idea. ie if you have aH once an hour interrupt make it once a millisecond instead, increase data volume, that sort of thing.e  D Of course, you do need a test system you are confident reflects your< life system. Doing this stuff on live systems can get scary.   regardsn   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uko  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofe MedAS or the BBC.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:52:52 GMTh= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)r* Subject: Re: Finding another processes PC?0 Message-ID: <009FC0B5.A76D2709@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <9dr4at01dbd@drn.newsguy.com>, Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> writes:c8 >In article <3B0047D0.28122F09@oracle.com>, norm says... >>, >>You want to get a VMS listings CD and look >>at [LIUTL.LIS]INFO.LIS.? >eF >Actually, it's [CLIUTL.LIS], but otherwise you are right on the nose. >n >>  The following code! >>appears to do most of the work:  >>G >>IF .resflg                        ! If resident then okay to send ASTv >>THEN	 >>  BEGINa? >>  CH$FILL(0,16,pcpsl_buf);        ! Initialize PC/PSL to zeroh; >>  EXE$READ_PROCESS(EXE$CVT_EPID_TO_IPID(.proc_l_pid), 16,-A >>     eacb$k_pc, pcpsl_buf, eacb$k_general_register, ast_count);0 >>  END; >>. >>From there, follow the listings to [SYS.LIS]/ >>PROC_READ_WRITE.LIS and read the comments fori+ >>EXE$READ_PROCESS.  Presto - you're there.> > G >Thank you - indeed, PROC_READ_WRITE.LIS is where all the magic occurs.y. >I will have a busy day grokking the listings! >  >Tim.T >n  K You'll be hard pressed to find this EXE$READ_PROCESS feature under V5.5-2!   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM-            -O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:47:09 GMTa1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>e* Subject: Re: Finding another processes PC?1 Message-ID: <3B015D89.76BB78D@clarityconnect.com>Z  D If SHOW PROCESS/CONT works against a process this DCL procedure willA produce a list of unique PCs that is sees.  Ignore the UniquenessIE value.  I acquired this from someone else here and haven't cleaned upu, what it produces as it's good enough for me.   $oI !------------------------------------------------------------------------M $ !L@ $ ! Sucks in PCs from the PID passed as P1. Then filters out the
 non-unique4 $ ! ones. Useful for tracking CPU loops in processes $ !r $nI !------------------------------------------------------------------------O% $ if p1 .NES. "" then goto lets_beginy7 $ write sys$output "please pass PID as first parameter"M $ exit
 $ lets_begin: 
 $ set noon3 $ write sys$output "Press control-C after 1 minute" ' $ define sys$output sys$scratch:pc1.tmpt $ show proc/id='p1/continuous1 $ deassign sys$output?1 $ write sys$output "thank you, please wait ....."hA $ search sys$scratch:pc1.tmp/out=sys$scratch:pc2.tmp "Current PC" @ $ sort sys$scratch:pc2.tmp/nodup/key=(pos=25,size=8,character) -   sys$scratch:pc3.tmp  $ ! - process - 4 $ if f$trnlnm("fileout") .NES. "" then close fileout2 $ if f$trnlnm("filein") .NES. "" then close filein! $ open filein sys$scratch:pc3.tmpj $ open/write fileout pc.log  $ write fileout "Unique PCs" $ write fileout " "m $ count = 0A $ next_line: $ read filein linein/end=nomoreL $ count = count + 1 " $ lineout = f$extract(24,8,linein)! $ write fileout "| ''lineout' |" i $ goto next_line	 $ nomore:a $ write fileout " "m> $ write fileout "end of unique PCs, ''count' unique PCs found"4 $ if f$trnlnm("fileout") .NES. "" then close fileout2 $ if f$trnlnm("filein") .NES. "" then close filein
 $ count1 = 0 d! $ open filein sys$scratch:pc2.tmp  $ nextline1:  $ read filein linein/end=nomore1 $ count1 := count1 + 1 $ goto nextline1
 $ nomore1:2 $ if f$trnlnm("filein") .NES. "" then close filein
 $ count2 = 0 c! $ open filein sys$scratch:pc3.tmpe $ nextline2:  $ read filein linein/end=nomore2 $ count2 := count2 + 1 $ goto nextline2
 $ nomore2:2 $ if f$trnlnm("filein") .NES. "" then close filein" $ ratio = (count2 / count1) * 100 1 $ write sys$output "uniqueness value is ''ratio'" - $ write sys$output "unqiue PCs are in PC.LOG", $ delete sys$scratch:pc%.tmp;* $ exit     Tim Shoppa wrote:e > = > Is there a supported interface to finding another process's B > current PC (program counter)?  SHOW PROCESS/CONTINUOUS obviouslyA > does this, but my look through SYS$GETJPI (where I would expectrB > this functionality to be) in the documentation doesn't show thisA > as an option there, so I'm either looking in the wrong place ord, > SHOW PROC/CONT uses a different interface. > C > If there is no supported interface, I'd be very happy to be shownkJ > an example (somewhere in the DECUS tapes or in the Freeware collections)& > of an unsupported way of doing this. > H > This is all to track down the bug in a process that runs continuously,F > normally getting a few percent of CPU usage as it services requests,I > but it goes into 90+% CPU usage for a few minutes once every few months L > and then recovers. (My gut feeling is that it's a buffer overflow in the CP > source code.)  I've already written a program that uses SYS$GETJPI to sound anI > alert when this happens, but by the time someone gets to the console iniP > central control to do the SHOW PROC/CONT things have (somehow) recovered.  AnyH > other hints on how we might debug such an intermittent looping will be > very welcome :-) >  > Tim.   -- MD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2001 13:30:35 -0500+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)a* Subject: Re: Finding another processes PC?3 Message-ID: <vbVVDEL+BlD3@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  V In article <9dp4p004l0@drn.newsguy.com>, Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> writes:H > This is all to track down the bug in a process that runs continuously,G > normally getting a few percent of CPU usage as it services requests, @I > but it goes into 90+% CPU usage for a few minutes once every few monthsML > and then recovers. (My gut feeling is that it's a buffer overflow in the CP > source code.)  I've already written a program that uses SYS$GETJPI to sound anI > alert when this happens, but by the time someone gets to the console inIP > central control to do the SHOW PROC/CONT things have (somehow) recovered.  AnyH > other hints on how we might debug such an intermittent looping will be > very welcome :-)  A Here is a low tech potential solution.  If you SET HOST /LOG into A the machine when the problem is happening and do a SHOW PROC/CONTh= you can then parse the log file to get the PCs.  For a test I > just did the key to finding the PC in the log file was to look? for the non-escape pieces of the escape sequence that preceededa9 the PC.  In my case it was [10;25f.  You might be able tow< automate it by having the program that does the alarm launch9 a kermit program to do the equivalent of a SET HOST /LOG.    My $.02, Martyv   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:40:38 GMT & From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com># Subject: Installing gigabit etherneO> Message-ID: <at9M6.245968$o9.36482390@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>  > Let me see if I have this right, and can explain the question:  I Our mixed interconnect, mixed architecture, mixed version (AlphaVMS 7.2-1 C and VAX 7.1)  cluster has among other nodes,   a GS140.  This GS140 K currently has 10BaseT ethernet and FDDI.   We will attempt (our second try)M= to swap the two network cards for two Gigabit ethernet cards.   I The problem is that the Gigabit cards cannot be seen until VMS is booted.eI However, if we take out both existing network cards and replace them with=D Gibabit, we cannot boot into the cluster because we don't have total4 connectivity with everybody else.  The system hangs.  K Can I do this similar to a rolling upgrade,   that is, can I set VAXClusterNI to "0" and boot this node far enough that I can configure the two gigabitEG adapters while the rest of the cluster is still up?  It is connected to=L shared storage via CIPCA, but it has as private system disk.  I can dismount= this disk from the other cluster nodes during this procedure.r  L The alternative seems to be to shut the system down, replace one board, bootJ up and configure that board.  Then shutdown, replace the other board, thenB boot up and configure that board.  This way I can maintain cluster connectivity and not hang.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2001 16:04:09 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>o' Subject: Re: Installing gigabit etherneeH Message-ID: <y4g0e6zp2e.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ( "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> writes:  M > Can I do this similar to a rolling upgrade,   that is, can I set VAXClusternK > to "0" and boot this node far enough that I can configure the two gigabiteI > adapters while the rest of the cluster is still up?  It is connected toiN > shared storage via CIPCA, but it has as private system disk.  I can dismount? > this disk from the other cluster nodes during this procedure.   M Sounds reasonable as long as you boot "MIN", i.e., do not mount any non-localnM disks while not a cluster member. From a safety point of view, I would eithercE disconnect the CIPCA cable during the process, or go with your second- suggestion.   N What about keeping the slow Ethernet connection until you're done - not enough# slots for all cards simultaneously?s   	Jan   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:27:42 +0000 (UTC)-- From: Jeffrey_Hiris@brown.edu (Jeffrey_Hiris)-  Subject: RE: KZPCC under OpenVMS4 Message-ID: <9dr7bt$12e$1@saturn.services.brown.edu>   Hi Oliver, et al:o  	 just FYI:b  K 1) we have a couple of RA3000's in a shared-bus configuration for the core  P servers, two rails, two SCSI hubs.  Works great, very low cost NSPOF solution.  
 However...  L 2) the Smart Array 5204 in my Proliant seems to get much better I/O rates.  O Given we're comparing apples and oranges, Win2K jobs to OpenVMS, single CPU to nO cluster environment, it's hard to be sure, but I suspect the RA3000 and its FW  L Ultra SCSI drives can't perform as well as a backplane-attached Ultra-3 LVD  adapter.  However...  M 3) there is an "projected" (I think that's the best term) SmartArray for the  N Alpha in early 2002 under OpenVMS.  I may get an RA3000 to tide me over until O then, especially if I can get it to accept non-hot-plug Seagate drives...   ;-)e  	 take care    Jeff.S  O In article <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D308018B144B@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>,  " Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com says... >S >Hi,H >        as you've found the KZPCC isn't supported on vms at all and i'mL >unsure of any future support.  As for it working, I doubt it as vms doesn't >have the drivers. >aJ >You maybe better off with a RA3000 as this is supported and has expansion >capabilities. > 	 >Regards,h >        Oliverl >- >-----Original Message-----e? >From: Jeffrey_Hiris@brown.edu [mailto:Jeffrey_Hiris@brown.edu] # >Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:36 PMO >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: KZPCC under OpenVMSG >P >w >Hi all: >eJ >the KZPCC adapter (PCI-bus Ultra-2 LVD RAID controller) is not listed as F >supported under OpenVMS, at least not yet, which leaves a "hole" for M >high-performance disks in the low-end VMS line.  (The KZPAC Ultra SCSI-2 hase >iB >always left something to be desired in terms of raw performance.) >.K >I was wondering if any brave soul has tried a KZPCC out under OpenVMS, and* >if 6 >so, whether it worked, at least as a non-boot device. >a >thankse   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:29:21 +0300 ) From: "Iris Green" <iris.green@intel.com>e Subject: Laser Power event) Message-ID: <9dravk$su@news.or.intel.com>b   Hi all,o  G We had a VAX node crash, that had to be maually reset 4 times before itiH would reboot. We were told that the cause of the crash is a "Laser Power Event".u   What does that mean?     Thx -i  
 Iris Green   Email : Iris.green@intel.com  L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------A  H "Now, Here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in theL same place. If you want to get elsewhere,you must run at least twice as fast	 as that."   + (Through the Looking Glass - Lewis Carroll)f   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:47:14 -0400t# From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>S Subject: Re: Laser Power event+ Message-ID: <3B013362.752FCA87@hsc.vcu.edu>c   never heard of it, unless the laser printers are on the same power circuit, and all the fusers turned on at the same split second,? and dropped the power.. that's the only think I can think of...   [ or, they are pulling your leg... is it longer?  ;-) (here, i reserve the right to be wrong)t   Jimo       Iris Green wrote:X > 	 > Hi all,o > I > We had a VAX node crash, that had to be maually reset 4 times before it J > would reboot. We were told that the cause of the crash is a "Laser Power	 > Event".- >  > What does that mean? >  > Thx -d >  > Iris Green >  > Email : Iris.green@intel.com > N > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------n > J > "Now, Here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in theN > same place. If you want to get elsewhere,you must run at least twice as fast > as that."t > - > (Through the Looking Glass - Lewis Carroll)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:07:38 -0500L+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>t Subject: RE: Laser Power eventL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1E4E@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----, > From: Jim Agnew [mailto:Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu]  ? > never heard of it, unless the laser printers are on the same RG > power circuit, and all the fusers turned on at the same split second, A > and dropped the power.. that's the only think I can think of...    > Iris Green wrote:-  @ > > would reboot. We were told that the cause of the crash is a  > "Laser Power > > Event".l   > > What does that mean?  G Maybe it was a ruby laser, for instance, instead of a printer? :)  That.  could explain the "power event."F Was it accompanied by a "bright light event," and an "air conditioning event?"    Regards,   ChrisS  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developerb Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");s '    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:08:39 -0700 ! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>e Subject: RE: Laser Power event9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEEECJAA.tom@kednos.com>p  L It could happen.  The heating element can have a big power draw.  Some yearsG ago I had a Kyocera laser printer.  My neighbor kept complaining to theoK lectric company that his lights would dim every 45 or so seconds.  They puts/ strip chart recorders on ran all kinds of testsPI (somewhat comical)  and after several months my neighbor and I discoveredgH that the printer was the culprit.  Kyocera sent me a new printer after I, told them my neighbor was going to sue them!   > -----Original Message-----, > From: Jim Agnew [mailto:Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu]% > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:47 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como  > Subject: Re: Laser Power event >  >h> > never heard of it, unless the laser printers are on the sameG > power circuit, and all the fusers turned on at the same split second,fA > and dropped the power.. that's the only think I can think of...s > > > or, they are pulling your leg... is it longer?  ;-) (here, i  > reserve the right to be wrong) >s > Jimi >u >o >d > Iris Green wrote:t > >b > > Hi all,a > >eK > > We had a VAX node crash, that had to be maually reset 4 times before itaL > > would reboot. We were told that the cause of the crash is a "Laser Power > > Event".t > >  > > What does that mean? > > 	 > > Thx -  > >m > > Iris Green > >f  > > Email : Iris.green@intel.com > >f > >lD > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > > ---------------------------C > >tL > > "Now, Here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in theB > > same place. If you want to get elsewhere,you must run at least > twice as faste
 > > as that."B > > / > > (Through the Looking Glass - Lewis Carroll)  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:26:11 -0400X- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>P Subject: Re: Laser Power event( Message-ID: <3B013C83.4B6960C8@ohio.edu>  n I seem to recall that Laser and Turbolaser were code names for particular VAX models.  Might this be relevant?  #                                 RDP      Jim Agnew wrote:   > never heard of it, unless the laser printers are on the same power circuit, and all the fusers turned on at the same split second,A > and dropped the power.. that's the only think I can think of...  > ] > or, they are pulling your leg... is it longer?  ;-) (here, i reserve the right to be wrong)  >  > Jimi >P > Iris Green wrote:X > >D > > Hi all,C > >IK > > We had a VAX node crash, that had to be maually reset 4 times before itiL > > would reboot. We were told that the cause of the crash is a "Laser Power > > Event".A > >T > > What does that mean? > >i	 > > Thx -D > >E > > Iris Green > >t  > > Email : Iris.green@intel.com > >EP > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------' > > L > > "Now, Here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in theP > > same place. If you want to get elsewhere,you must run at least twice as fast
 > > as that.". > >a/ > > (Through the Looking Glass - Lewis Carroll)a   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------   Date: 15 May 2001 07:22:30 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.310887.killspam.0162 (Wayne Sewell)sH Subject: Re: Looking for content contributors - OpenVMS on-line training. Message-ID: <TmJuopBn7Gb0@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  ` In article <3b003217$1@kerberos.linuxpuppy.net>, "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> writes:L > Last Fall we started developing an on-line remote learning site.  The siteK > is at http://plato.CCSScorp.com/.  The site is primarily OpenVMS Centric.-L > As such, both the courses we have completed and those we are developing atM > present are targeted in the OpenVMS arena.  We have started some additional L > discussions with additional vendors (in the OpenVMS application space) whoD > are also interested in having easily available courses on the web. > M > I come to the news group today because I am looking to increase the rate atsK > which we develop and deploy courses.  I am looking for content providers.s; > In exchange for the content you provide you will receive:  > > >  a percentage of the revenue for the courses you contributed1 >  a by-line on the course description and course " >  a bio-page or link to your site > N > To contribute a course, we would need content from you.  It would be best ifM > this content were at least laid out in lesson form, although we can massage M > it into lesson form if necessary.  We also need questions and answers for a ) > test to be associated with each course.e > I > We will maintain the course, making corrections and additions as eitherEK > discovered by us or by you, the contributor.  We will administer the site D > which includes working to make all courses as similar in style andF > presentation as possible, developing examples and providing studentsG > with support. We will also maintain editorial control of the site and= > the courses. > F > The news group has many talented people, many of you might even haveK > content available without very much effort.  This gives an opportunity toNN > help OpenVMS get some more exposure on the web as well as provide a resourceH > for those looking to increase their knowledge in a structured fashion. > 6 > Please feel free to visit our site and check it out. > K > We are also implementing a referral program.  This will reward people who K > refer students to the site who then sign up for a course. This will be in, > place later this week. >   N Are you looking for a particular level of stuff (how to use, how to manage) orL is anything fair game (program development, internals, crash dump analysis)?  M For instance, regarding your comment on "content available without very much tO effort", I wrote an entire book on VMS internals.   Since it was released in 91sN and predates alpha, a lot of it is outdated now, but much of it is still validK for 7.x.  And even the out-of-date stuff could be updated more rapidly thanmJ starting from scratch.  Since the book was produced entirely by LaTeX (theJ publisher didn't do *any* layout or formatting; I handed them camera-readyO copy), all of the text is in machine readable form.  LaTeX is a markup language.
 like HTML.   Waynee -- rO ===============================================================================eM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxi: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)iO =============================================================================== K Hotel guy (after bed demolition):  That bed goes back to Henry the eighth!!	O    Curly: That's nothin'!  We had a bed go back to Sears and Roebuck the fifth!-   ------------------------------   Date: 15 May 2001 13:09:25 GMT- From: "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com>nH Subject: Re: Looking for content contributors - OpenVMS on-line training. Message-ID: <3b012ae1@kerberos.linuxpuppy.net>  J While we would like to have the range of material from novice on to expertJ we realize that it might not be possible to get the entire spectrum filledJ immediately.  If you look at our site you can see we are currently workingK on getting the novice end filled, but even there we could use contributors.i  G The philosophy behind the site is that each course should be able to berJ completed by the student in about a day or two.  This then keeps the priceL in line for something that is fairly reasonable.  It also allows the courses@ to be targetted - for instance a course on BACKUP would fit thisL requirement.  Or possibly a course on the scheduler or one on page faults to$ take examples from your book, Wayne.  K The issue with the more advanced courses is creating labs for them or a labnF environment which can be easily recreated if they distroy it since theL students end up with higher and higher privileges.  Not that this can not be' done.  But it is one of the challenges.   8 I look forward to anything you might want to contribute.  E If you visit our site you might get a feel for some of the courses in K development or looking for contributors.  We currently have content for oury= first four courses, two of which are completed and available.1   Thanks for your interest,m   --
 Bill Pedersenn CCSS Corporation www.CCSScorp.com 831-336-2708  J "Wayne Sewell" <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.310887.killspam.0162> wrote in message( news:TmJuopBn7Gb0@tachxxsoftxxconsult...B > In article <3b003217$1@kerberos.linuxpuppy.net>, "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> writes:)I > > Last Fall we started developing an on-line remote learning site.  Thea siteD > > is at http://plato.CCSScorp.com/.  The site is primarily OpenVMS Centric.K > > As such, both the courses we have completed and those we are developing  atD > > present are targeted in the OpenVMS arena.  We have started some
 additionalJ > > discussions with additional vendors (in the OpenVMS application space) whooF > > are also interested in having easily available courses on the web. > > L > > I come to the news group today because I am looking to increase the rate atB > > which we develop and deploy courses.  I am looking for content
 providers.= > > In exchange for the content you provide you will receive:r > >o@ > >  a percentage of the revenue for the courses you contributed3 > >  a by-line on the course description and coursep$ > >  a bio-page or link to your site > >oH > > To contribute a course, we would need content from you.  It would be best ifsG > > this content were at least laid out in lesson form, although we can  massage I > > it into lesson form if necessary.  We also need questions and answers- for a-+ > > test to be associated with each course.a > >bK > > We will maintain the course, making corrections and additions as eitheraH > > discovered by us or by you, the contributor.  We will administer the siteF > > which includes working to make all courses as similar in style andH > > presentation as possible, developing examples and providing studentsI > > with support. We will also maintain editorial control of the site and  > > the courses. > >sH > > The news group has many talented people, many of you might even haveJ > > content available without very much effort.  This gives an opportunity toG > > help OpenVMS get some more exposure on the web as well as provide as resourceJ > > for those looking to increase their knowledge in a structured fashion. > >a8 > > Please feel free to visit our site and check it out. > >bI > > We are also implementing a referral program.  This will reward peoplek whogJ > > refer students to the site who then sign up for a course. This will be in > > place later this week. > >- >-E > Are you looking for a particular level of stuff (how to use, how to 
 manage) orC > is anything fair game (program development, internals, crash dump 
 analysis)? >rI > For instance, regarding your comment on "content available without very  muchK > effort", I wrote an entire book on VMS internals.   Since it was releasedr in 91rJ > and predates alpha, a lot of it is outdated now, but much of it is still valid)H > for 7.x.  And even the out-of-date stuff could be updated more rapidly thanL > starting from scratch.  Since the book was produced entirely by LaTeX (theL > publisher didn't do *any* layout or formatting; I handed them camera-readyH > copy), all of the text is in machine readable form.  LaTeX is a markup language > like HTML. >. > Waynee > -- >"L ============================================================================ === : > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738 wayne@tachysoft.xxx : > http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.htmlH > change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot :-)o >0L ============================================================================ ===oD > Hotel guy (after bed demolition):  That bed goes back to Henry the eighth!!J >    Curly: That's nothin'!  We had a bed go back to Sears and Roebuck the fifth!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:20:29 +0200c1 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski@hotmail.com> # Subject: Main system crashed - EOT?J. Message-ID: <9drdvk$18ut$1@news2.ipartners.pl>  % After system downgrade we have so far6  J OpenVMS V7.1-1H1 on node PROMIS 15-MAY-2001 16:12:28.24 Uptime 22 12:13:40  ; - so I think it's as stable as before upgrading to 7.2-1H1.eB I assume the problem solved (I hope I don't write it prematurely!)  F BTW it occurred it's no use to rely on Compaq field service in Poland.   --   T. D.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:14:29 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o1 Subject: Managing hosts databases with TCPIP V5.x , Message-ID: <3B0155E4.22A4DEEC@videotron.ca>  C How do sites generally manage their hosts databases with TCPIP V5 ?1  M I am puzzledd as to the reason for keeping 2 copies of the hosts, one that isLI used by the user interface ( TCPIP SHOW HOST) and one that is used by the , actual bind server engine (and by nslookup).  I For instance, if you use SET HOST to populate the host list of your localcB network you then have to  use 2 CONVERT/UNIX commands and then SET8 NAME_SERVICE /INITIALISE for the changes to take effect.    J *MUST* the two databases be  synchronised, or would most sites just botherL ediding the .DB files directly and not bother with the TCPIP$HOSTS file that3 seems to be used only with SET HOST and SHOW HOST ?w   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:01:30 GMTi' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>-9 Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.9 how do I save email attachments.t- Message-ID: <3B00FE61.5A0E0477@theblakes.com>:   Alan Greig wrote:t  B > Maybe I'm missing something incredibly obvious but how do I saveH > attachments in mail?. Supposedly you click on the paperclip icon but IG > don't see a paperclip icon on messages with attachments. Nor do I seeoE > the hexified version displayed. I know Mozilla downloads the entirelH > message (from time taken) but it doesn't seem to do anything with it..  I When you are viewing the message, there should be a paperclip icon in theaB top right of the message header area (the grey area where it showsJ Subject, From, Date, and To). The icon has a number; this is the number ofH attachments. You click on the icon and you get a popup showing a list ofH attachment names. Each name is a rollover which has an "open" and "save" option.   I Do you see the message header area? And there's nothing in the top right?n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:24:45 +0200y7 From: "Siergiej Gordun" <Siergiej.Gordun@softax.com.pl>T& Subject: Re: Question re: Java and C++. Message-ID: <9drap4$nkh$1@bozon.softax.com.pl>  : "Edward Heller" <ejheller@aol.com.nojunk> wrote in message4 news:20010514110155.02866.00003636@ng-fo1.aol.com...   [...]5   > C++             v 6.2-0169  K Try to compile c++ code with CXX v 6.2-035 or later (i.e. v 6.2-048) - it's  should help.    L I've got the similar problem in 1998. I sent problem description to VMS Java2 support and received response (with PTR 80-1-201):   " 6 In DEC C++ T6.0-003 compiler some changes were made to4 the code that runs when a shareable image containing1 C++ code that includes try/catch blocks is loadede  0 More specifically, we found the problem involved) a recursive call to LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOLa/ (hereafter referred to as: FIS).  Java is using./ FIS to load the shareable image corresonding toa, the application, and this activation of FIS,0 in turn, is causing the lib$initialize component+ of this shareable image to recursively callp. FIS {something to do with acquiring per-thread storage...}A   [...]r  8 I have handed the problem over to our C++ developers who% will need to determine how to fix it.0; I've supplied one suggestion on how I think it can be done.P   [...]t   "s     SergeE   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:33:19 GMTn1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>g* Subject: Re: Resetting queue Entry Numbers2 Message-ID: <3B015A4B.5F333993@clarityconnect.com>  H Yep, stooping the queue manager cluster wide and creating a complete newB set of queue manager files is the way to do this.  IMHO fixing the$ display software would be better ;*)  
 jjs wrote: > M > My queue entry numbers are so long they don't fix the display mask. How can M > I reset them all to ZERO (or one)? Delete and recreate the queue? It's okaygD > to do this because I have no restart dependencies on this machine. > K > (And how did they get this way? A rogue resubmission loop that ran over auN > weekend. (Dinna Worry, SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL as been reset. Yah, it > was huge!)   -- pD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:08:39 +0000 (UTC)o& From: dsf@frontiernet.net (Dan Foster) Subject: SET WATCH questiont5 Message-ID: <9dqo67$181u$1@node21.cwnet.roc.gblx.net>"   When I did:h   $ SET WATCH FILE/CLASS=ALL  B on my VAXstation 4000/96 running VMS 7.2, then intentionally did a  
 $ TYPE/PAGE F-   (some non-existent F.LIS file)  A Of course, it failed. But what made me curious was the mention of-A UTIL$SHARE.EXE and SCRSHR.EXE in the XQP processing debug output.   B What are those, and what do they do? I don't think I've ever heard of them anywhere.t  E Hmm... did a Google search and the only mention of SCRSHR.EXE is that-H they contain SCR$xxx routines (indicates precedessor to the SMG package,D which I'm more familiar with) that are obsolete. (The post was datedI 11 Nov 1996) If so, I find it intriguing that it's still being used as of  VMS 7.2...?e  D Perhaps TYPE/PAGE results in that image activation? Although doesn'tH explain why it'd be trying to use obsolete routines for screen handling.   -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:35:42 +0800w- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>  Subject: Re: SET WATCH question A Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010515163209.009f2650@mail.bigpond.com>y  - At 08:08 AM 15/05/01 +0000, Dan Foster wrote:, >When I did: >g >$ SET WATCH FILE/CLASS=ALL  > C >on my VAXstation 4000/96 running VMS 7.2, then intentionally did a  >s >$ TYPE/PAGE F >a >(some non-existent F.LIS file)  >oB >Of course, it failed. But what made me curious was the mention ofB >UTIL$SHARE.EXE and SCRSHR.EXE in the XQP processing debug output. >EC >What are those, and what do they do? I don't think I've ever heard- >of them anywhere. >-F >Hmm... did a Google search and the only mention of SCRSHR.EXE is thatI >they contain SCR$xxx routines (indicates precedessor to the SMG package,aE >which I'm more familiar with) that are obsolete. (The post was datedmJ >11 Nov 1996) If so, I find it intriguing that it's still being used as of >VMS 7.2...? >CE >Perhaps TYPE/PAGE results in that image activation? Although doesn't=I >explain why it'd be trying to use obsolete routines for screen handling.g >  >-Dan@  E UTIL$SHARE contains the common routines used by various programs thattE allow /PAGE and the navigation that goes with it.  I assume that they-% use SCRSHR to do the screen handling?2D I think UTIL$SHARE also contains the common date processing routines to handle /SINCE et al.f       Regards, Dave.  -- nI David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comaI Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/cI DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmiI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennoni   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:39:27 +0200s= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>r Subject: Re: SET WATCH questiono) Message-ID: <3B01156F.3664F1D4@gtech.com>    Dan Foster wrote:c
 > When I did:o >  > $ SET WATCH FILE/CLASS=ALL > D > on my VAXstation 4000/96 running VMS 7.2, then intentionally did a >  > $ TYPE/PAGE F  >   > (some non-existent F.LIS file) > C > Of course, it failed. But what made me curious was the mention ofcC > UTIL$SHARE.EXE and SCRSHR.EXE in the XQP processing debug output.t > D > What are those, and what do they do? I don't think I've ever heard > of them anywhere.c > G > Hmm... did a Google search and the only mention of SCRSHR.EXE is thatwJ > they contain SCR$xxx routines (indicates precedessor to the SMG package,F > which I'm more familiar with) that are obsolete. (The post was datedK > 11 Nov 1996) If so, I find it intriguing that it's still being used as ofs
 > VMS 7.2...?c > F > Perhaps TYPE/PAGE results in that image activation? Although doesn'tJ > explain why it'd be trying to use obsolete routines for screen handling.  G SMG replaced SCR in VMS 4.0 or 4.4 I think. And that is many years ago.n  F But the fact that something is obsolete does not prevent Digita/Compaq& engineering from using it internally !   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2001 15:56:47 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>a Subject: Re: SET WATCH questioniH Message-ID: <y4itj2zpeo.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  / David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes:n  G > UTIL$SHARE contains the common routines used by various programs thatrG > allow /PAGE and the navigation that goes with it.  I assume that theyr' > use SCRSHR to do the screen handling?   K So do an ANAL/IMAGE on UTIL$SHARE.EXE and/or TYPE.EXE to find out who linksi to what.   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 15 May 2001 09:26:47 GMT From: bigfoot@tgreenwood.com& Subject: Re: Setting Up An FTP Account* Message-ID: <9dqson$2fg$1@news.netmar.com>  G In article <3aff941c.2277627@news.jamison1.pa.home.com>, Still Learning  <adroso@home.com> writes:bG >I'm new at this, so go easy on me ... I have a user account on my V7.2 G >VAX that I want to login to via FTP from a PC on my LAN, but each time G >it tells me Login Incorrect even though I *KNOW* I'm using the correctfD >username and password.  I can get in using my SYSTEM account, and IF >copied the SYSTEM account to the username I want to use in AUTHORIZE,F >but it won't accept the new username.  Obvious, I'm missing something >.... what is it?.  K The one that always catches me out is making sure the username is valid for=5 network login - use MOD username/NETWORK in AUTHORIZEu  $ ------------------------------------ Tony Greenwood Logabex Ltdw/ Swap email address around until it looks right!.      O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----=M   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupsmI    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postsiL made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 03:56:27 -0400d- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>c, Subject: Re: SLIP on TCPIP servives V5 (VAX)+ Message-ID: <3B00E124.9F60095@videotron.ca>e   To answer my own question...  M I need to create a route with the gateway being the IP address if the PDA and  not of the VMS host.  L I was able to send a mail message from my PDA to my VMS mail mailbox. But itM is extremely slow. I had developped my own email software that used ymodem to M send messages from the PDA tothe VAX and raw text to send from VMS to the PDAa! and that was by far much quicker.t  T It would be very nice if the VMS folks let us have the PPP code for the vax thought.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:48:32 +0200c= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>r' Subject: Re: Sun's McNealy, 98% pay cut ) Message-ID: <3B0141C0.A761C900@gtech.com>   " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:3 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/18880.htmlh > L > Woah! McNealy doesn't expect any bonuses this year, which according to himJ > makes his pay $100,000. I'm not going to spin that, read the article andJ > make up your own mind. It just freaked me out a bit, comparing my salaryK > with the boss of a major multinational and not getting depressed..... ;-)    I like this approach.r  @ If the company does not perform good, then the CEO should not be burried in gold !e  B Just consider how things could have been different, if the Digital? board had made similar arrangements with a certain mr. Palmer !y   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:19:59 GMTo, From: "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.com>+ Subject: Re: The future of VMS - * Humour *d; Message-ID: <zh8M6.63203$hu.12291610@typhoon.austin.rr.com>a  D In message <OF78F21F6E.8C3C77E4-ON88256A49.007619EF@foundation.com>," Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > E > It's dangerous to say such things in a public forum. You'll give MSp > ideas..... >  > Shanel > M It's Sunday.  The sun  shining in the  window awakens me.  Then I notice whatdL appears to be a small rainbow in the corner of the windows.  I look closer. K It looks to be the MS Windows logo!  I raise the window for a better look. hE Yes, the logo has appeared on all the windows. In disgust I close theoN window...hard.  Suddenly all the windows in the house turn blue.  GPF...Please reboot your house.   --  4 Jay E. Morris Epsilon 3 Productions www.epsilon3.com@ Posted with Ink Spot (for Windows CE) from DejaVu Software, Inc.8 Usenet wherever you are - http://www.dejavusoftware.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:08:11 +0100r  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>+ Subject: Re: The future of VMS - * Humour *r+ Message-ID: <VA.00000393.4a17222e@sture.ch>w  A In article <1010513152310.7213A@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos wrote:  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms " > From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>. > Subject: Re: The future of VMS - * Humour * ' > Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:26:28 -0400e > ( > On Sun, 13 May 2001, Paul Sture wrote: > > > > In article <3AFE45DD.797D2F86@Omond.net>, Roy Omond wrote:% > > > From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>e > > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsb1 > > > Subject: Re: The future of VMS - * Humour * + > > > Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:29:17 +0100  > > >  > > > Paul Sture wrote:  > > >  > > > > [... snip snip ...]sR > > > > And how I wish I still had my old VAX vacuum cleaner - I'd then be able toF > > > > take a photo of a VAXcluster, complete with thick I/O hose :-) > > > >p > > > B > > > I/*O* hose ???  I sincerely hope it's an Input hose only :-) > > > 3 > > Rats! I suppose I knew I had that coming... :-)l > > ___  > D > I'm unfamiliar with the VAX hardware ;-), but many vacuum cleanersB > have an output port, too.  You can plug the hose into it and use> > it to inflate low-pressure stuff, such as air mattresses and > inflateable boats. >wR Come to think of it, it would clean carpets. The carpet cleaning attachment had a R secondary hose which sucked water out of a reservoir, mixed it with soap, and put S it on the carpet. Simultaneously the main hose sucked dirty water up. Quite a neat tQ bit of engineering, although the suction took quite some force to move the thing l; across a carpet. So yes, it did do output as well as input.  ___b
 Paul Sture Switzerlanda   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:46:13 +0200d= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> 5 Subject: Re: Unsupported Cobol compilation switches ?o) Message-ID: <3B014135.D27B4D36@gtech.com>y   John Reagan wrote: > Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:K > > Presuming the Cobol compiler uses the same rules as compilers for other= > > languages on Alpha > J > Correct assumption.  The /ARCH and /OPT=TUNE options are passed directlyB > to the GEM common backend.  The behavior is identical across allH > GEM-based OpenVMS Alpha compilers (yes, all the compilers you get from* > Compaq for OpenVMS Alpha are GEM-based).   All ?-  > Macro-32 and Bliss included or just the "standard" languages ?   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2001 12:28:56 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Unsupported Cobol compilation switches ?-3 Message-ID: <SvZERCJBnojF@eisner.encompasserve.org>1  i In article <3B014135.D27B4D36@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:e > John Reagan wrote: >> Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:fL >> > Presuming the Cobol compiler uses the same rules as compilers for other >> > languages on Alpha2 >> 1K >> Correct assumption.  The /ARCH and /OPT=TUNE options are passed directlyeC >> to the GEM common backend.  The behavior is identical across alloI >> GEM-based OpenVMS Alpha compilers (yes, all the compilers you get fromD+ >> Compaq for OpenVMS Alpha are GEM-based).  >  > All ?0 > @ > Macro-32 and Bliss included or just the "standard" languages ?  H Yes.  Naturally Bliss, but also Macro-32 uses GEM.  It does use somewhatG less of GEM that a more complex compiler, but the Macro-32 processor on  Alpha is a compiler.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:47:43 -0400L2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: VAX memory ?cL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1505011347440001@user-2iveb07.dialup.mindspring.com>  D In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEDKCJAA.tom@kednos.com>, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:   = > I have a 4000/60 and a 4000/90  each have 4 memory modules.f > - > When I boot the 60 it claims to have 72 MB.,- > When I boot the 90 it claims to have 64 MB.D > L > All the modules have 36 chips  each of which is 4 Mb.  the 60 use Goldstar2 > and the 90 Hitachi but they are interchangeable. > N > Is there perhaps a firmware issue here.  I would guess that the modules mustN > be interchangeable.  The designation on the modules is however CA-082 on the > 60 and CA-CFM > on the 90, which makes me suspicious.  If they aren't interchangeable, I amnL > sure Dec had a reason, but I am also certain that I would never understand > why?  J I have moved memory between a 60 and a 90 with no trouble.  I've heard theJ 90 is more demanding in some what, but I don't know any details.  Maybe it needs slightly faster memory.f  H The 60 takes SIMMs two at a time.  The 90 takes them in groups of 4, andG the slots ordering is _strange_.  The 60 also has 8 MB on the MB, IIRC.    -- m Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:34:59 -0400 - From: The Scarlet Wombat <coconut@netway.com>g Subject: VMS 5.5-2h4 and y2k< Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010515123459.00804a70@209.251.64.26>   First, much thanks to the kindness of list members in providing me with the vms 5.5-2h4 upgrade.  It appears very simple to handle.   c Does anyone know of y2k fixes for the h4 upgrade, or will the ones applied for 5.5-2 be sufficient?c  
 Dan Graham   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:09:33 -0400r  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com  Subject: Re: VMS 5.5-2h4 and y2k4 Message-ID: <C2256A4D.005D5E0E.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  1 IIRC, the y2k patches are for any 5.5-2* variant. < the h4 is a hardware-specific subversion and the y2k patches' should be hardware-variant-independent. . This is not, however, an authoritative answer.        , coconut@netway.com on 05/15/2001 12:34:59 PM  $ Please respond to coconut@netway.com   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  cc:w Subject:  VMS 5.5-2h4 and y2kg        O First, much thanks to the kindness of list members in providing me with the vmsr3 5.5-2h4 upgrade.  It appears very simple to handle.M  N Does anyone know of y2k fixes for the h4 upgrade, or will the ones applied for 5.5-2 be sufficient?  
 Dan Graham   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:44:00 GMTc3 From: "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.removespam>p Subject: Re: VMS 7.3 kit/ Message-ID: <QgbM6.32539$PF4.61982@news.iol.ie>   8 Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote in message" news:3B000425.3414060@bbc.co.uk... >' > Hi >e7 > Got my 7.3 kit today. Nice OpenVMS CDrom holder case.t > < > However, no VMS VAX 7.3 CD or installation manual, athough' > the manual says they should be there.. >lI > Should I just feel lucky I got the Alpha version, or victimised becausesC > I havn't got the VAX kit? Could be a support contract weirdness I 
 > suppose.  G Our kit arrived yesterday too.  The CDROMs were in a zipup folder.  Thei contents were:   Firmware Update V5.9* OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3 Operating System( OpenVMS VAX Version 7.3 Operating System, OpenVMS Version 7.3 (Alpha) Layered Products4 OpenVMS Version 7.3 (Alpha and VAX) Layered Products! OpenVMS Version 7.3 Documentationd+ OpenVMS Freeware Version 5.0  [disk 1 of 2] + OpenVMS Freeware Version 5.0  [disk 2 of 2]  Compaq System Toolsu) Compaq OpenVMS e-Business Infrastructure.(   Manuals included in the box:  @ Compaq OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3 Upgrade and Installation Manual> Compaq OpenVMS VAX Version 7.3 Upgrade and Installation ManualG Compaq OpenVMS Version 7.3 New Features and Documetation [sic] Overview	( Compaq OpenVMS Version 7.3 Release Notes/ Compaq OpenVMS License Management Utility Guide-  
 Unbound docs:u   Guide to OpenVMS 7.3 CD-ROMSA Cover Letter for Compaq OpenVMS Alpha and OpenVMS VAX Version 7.3e    L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --A Tom Wade    | EMail: T.Wade@vms.eurokom.ie  (all domain mailers). G EuroKom     | X400:  g=tom;s=wade;o=eurokom;p=eurokom;a=eirmail400;c=iel& 30, Dale Rd | Tel:   +353 (1) 278-7878& Stillorgan  | Fax:   +353 (1) 278-78793 Co Dublin   | Disclaimer:  This is not a disclaimeru@ Ireland     | Tip:         "Friends don't let friends do Unix !"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:00:54 -0700e! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>c Subject: RE: VMS 7.3 kit9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEEHCJAA.tom@kednos.com>m  ; I must have got your CD, cause that is all I got yesterday.)   > -----Original Message-----: > From: Tom Wade [mailto:t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.removespam]% > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:44 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Re: VMS 7.3 kit >  >  > : > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote in message$ > news:3B000425.3414060@bbc.co.uk... > >w > > Hi > > 9 > > Got my 7.3 kit today. Nice OpenVMS CDrom holder case.q > >o> > > However, no VMS VAX 7.3 CD or installation manual, athough) > > the manual says they should be there.o > >wK > > Should I just feel lucky I got the Alpha version, or victimised because E > > I havn't got the VAX kit? Could be a support contract weirdness I  > > suppose. > I > Our kit arrived yesterday too.  The CDROMs were in a zipup folder.  The  > contents were: >  > Firmware Update V5.9, > OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3 Operating System* > OpenVMS VAX Version 7.3 Operating System. > OpenVMS Version 7.3 (Alpha) Layered Products6 > OpenVMS Version 7.3 (Alpha and VAX) Layered Products# > OpenVMS Version 7.3 Documentationo- > OpenVMS Freeware Version 5.0  [disk 1 of 2]e- > OpenVMS Freeware Version 5.0  [disk 2 of 2]o > Compaq System Toolse+ > Compaq OpenVMS e-Business Infrastructure.  >  > Manuals included in the box: > B > Compaq OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3 Upgrade and Installation Manual@ > Compaq OpenVMS VAX Version 7.3 Upgrade and Installation ManualI > Compaq OpenVMS Version 7.3 New Features and Documetation [sic] Overviewi* > Compaq OpenVMS Version 7.3 Release Notes1 > Compaq OpenVMS License Management Utility Guide  >  > Unbound docs:R >  > Guide to OpenVMS 7.3 CD-ROMSC > Cover Letter for Compaq OpenVMS Alpha and OpenVMS VAX Version 7.3n >  > D > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > --C > Tom Wade    | EMail: T.Wade@vms.eurokom.ie  (all domain mailers).wI > EuroKom     | X400:  g=tom;s=wade;o=eurokom;p=eurokom;a=eirmail400;c=ieg( > 30, Dale Rd | Tel:   +353 (1) 278-7878( > Stillorgan  | Fax:   +353 (1) 278-78795 > Co Dublin   | Disclaimer:  This is not a disclaimer-B > Ireland     | Tip:         "Friends don't let friends do Unix !" >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:42:42 +01000- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>c Subject: Re: VMS 7.3 kit) Message-ID: <3B015C82.4694462E@bbc.co.uk>a   Tom Linden wrote:V  = > I must have got your CD, cause that is all I got yesterday.m   :-)x  6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uka  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofe MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:14:39 +0530h, From: Shiv <Sivakumar.Thangavelu@oracle.com> Subject: werwerwerwg* Message-ID: <3B015CF6.95394AF1@oracle.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------38DB042B78743EFFF35325AD* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit        --  J "Technology is dominated by those who manage what they do not understand."J                                                   -- Edward A. 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The original question had to do with why theu= XDM provided with TCPIP doesn't apparently honor the external K authentication.  The answer is, I don't know, but you should report this assL a bug.  My guess is that the XDM implementation uses the DECwindows loginout/ and the "hooks" it uses may not be up-to-snuff.s  L OpenVMS (Alpha at least) is heading towards conversion of login stuff to the= ACM services, so hopefully all this will get sorted out soon.a  J Now for the other authorization/authentication stuff.  XDM has two halves.L The stuff that sits on the remote display - both in the display server code,J and the widget that starts the connection (usually using XDMCP) -- and theI stuff that sits on the host server - the part that listens for connectioniK requests, and starts the X11 client session back to the remote display.  As J part of the connection setup, if enabled, XDM authorization/authenticationH can take place if it is supported.  VMS doesn't support (yet) XDM on theJ display server, we only have the "host" part (so you can connect from yourF PC to a VMS host, but not from a VMS workstation to a remote host).  IH "believe" that XDM authorization/authentication is supported for what weK have - it at least seems to be in the documentation.  I don't know how mucha it supports though.p  L Now, as to xhost and magic cookie.  We have our own flavor of an xhost list,G it is augmented with the username for transports that support it - like I DECnet.  In COE, we have added xauth and magic cookie for TCPIP.  When weaJ upgrade the client to X11R6, this will make it into the general releases -; potentially with the other half of XDM, and the rest of thea3 authentication/authorization methods like Kerboros.r  K FWIW - authorization/authentication is *not* part of the X11 specification.nH They explicitly punted on its definition.  All they did was to provide aK hook in the connection prefix message to allow authorization/authenticationjJ data to be passed.  The current methods were then deployed on top of this,D and the "standard" for these methods appears mostly to be the sampleH implementation reference (xau, xauth, xauthority, and the protocols like5 magic-cookie, xdm, kerberos, Sun DES, etc, etc, etc).E  C FWIW - When VMS was mostly a DECnet world, most of this wasn't veryOH interesting.  As TCPIP becomes more the norm... then all of this becomes
 important.         Dan O'Reilly wrote in message 8 <5.0.2.1.2.20010514164759.00ae6030@ntbsod.psccos.com>...C >Generally, with X logins, there is one of two mechanisms employed: 
 XauthorityC >or Xhost.  Virtually all UNIX systems us Xauthority (also known asrJ >"MIT Magic Cookie" for authentication.  This isn't part of XDM, it's part of9 >the X specification.  And DECwindows doesn't support it.b > 1 >At 04:12 PM 5/14/2001, Mitchell, David R. wrote: L >>Yes.  I'm aware of that.  The question was why doesn't authentication workK >>from an X session when Advanced Servers' external authentication is used.w IeG >>would expect all athentication to be handled the same, so if external K >>authentication works from a telnet or rlogin session why wouldn't it worksG >>from an X session?  Apparently some other mechanism is at work when X  loginsK >>are being established.  Strange, but perhaps someone else knows somethings >>about this???f >w >------ J >+-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+J >| Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |J >| Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  |J >| Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |J >| http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |J >+-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:03:07 -0400 - From: "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU>iC Subject: RE: XDM logins and Advanced Server external authenticationeH Message-ID: <FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D2CA3F9@petra.admin.wpi.edu>   > -----Original Message-----< > From: Fred Kleinsorge [mailto:kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com]& > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:15 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com4E > Subject: Re: XDM logins and Advanced Server external authentications >=20 >=20@ > Let's sort this out a little.  The original question had to=20 > do with why the ? > XDM provided with TCPIP doesn't apparently honor the externalrA > authentication.  The answer is, I don't know, but you should=20- > report this as > a bug. =20 >=20  J Alright.  I'll call Compaq service and run this by them.  I just thought = I'd-? run this by the list to see if anyone had any ideas.  Thanks...c   Davido   ------------------------------   Date: 15 May 2001 14:34:27 GMT From: Didier.Morandi@gmx.cha Subject: [INFO] PCSI_MENU FAQh* Message-ID: <9drepj$fjd$1@news.netmar.com>  1                                 The PCSI_MENU FAQM1                                 =================n/                                   Version 1.0-0      What is PCSI_MENU? ------------------F An OpenVMS CAI menu-driven tool (currently) written in DCL to produce 
 PCSI kits.   What is the meaning of CAI?s ---------------------------  Computer Aided Instruction.n  
 What is PCSI?.
 -------------nE PCSI stands for PolyCenter Software Installation. It is a new way to  A deliver and remove software kits on and from an OpenVMS platform pD since version 6 of VMS. It also does some other things. The OpenVMS 0 command to execute PCSI is the DCL PRODUCT verb.  G Here is the output from the OpenVMS 7.2-1 DCL "$ help product" command:o   PRODUCTt  >       The POLYCENTER Software Installation utility installs orA       removes layered software products, registers products, setsoB       up configuration choices offered by products, and extracts a       product's release notes.  	    Formate  ;            PRODUCT  [subcommand product-name [/qualifiers]]                        $    Additional information available:  E Parameters Description          CONFIGURE    COPY      EXTRACT   FINDoE INSTALL    LIST       PACKAGE   RECONFIGURE  REGISTER  REMOVE    SHOWM   What does PCSI_MENU do?e -----------------------oD The PCSI_MENU tool will produce a PCSI file used to install already A written software on an OpenVMS system via the "$ product install e <product_name>" DCL command.  C Each question may be answered with a "?" to get information on the u+ question and to help giving a valid answer.p  B Before each question a short or long description can be displayed.  E A customization menu will allow the user to choose his/her favourite FB editor, select verbose or non verbose questions, set preferences,  etc.   How does it work?V -----------------nE Easily. There are not many PCSI components and most of them are very eD simple. There are mainly three phases in a PCSI kit life: (a) stuff < delivery and environment creation (files copy, accounts and A directories creation etc), (b) pre and post installation actions d> (mostly DCL commands) and (c) the PRODUCT INSTALL phase which A actually does the installation (*not* the product configuration).   D This tool will display all standard (or advanced) PCSI elements and F allow the user to answer Yes or No to questions to include or exclude F given elements in the kit production process. Then it will create the F required PCSI elements from the answers to the previous session. Then F it will produce a users guide for this particular installation, which D should be printed and/or shipped with the kit file in order for the D VMS operator to install the kit properly (mainly some detailed info 3 on PCSI philosophy and on the /DESTINATION syntax).   9 What prerequisites should my system meet to run the tool? 9 ---------------------------------------------------------mB None. It is a simple DCL procedure. But if you have access to the @ WEB, you will be able to access the on-line COMPAQ OpenVMS PCSI  documentation also.   : Is it necessary to know a minimum on PCSI to use the tool?: ----------------------------------------------------------: No. The procedure is intended to be a CAI (Computer Based C Instruction) tool in order to learn PCSI on the fly, and produce a . kit at the end of the session.  E What if I know well the KITINSTAL.COM way of doing installation kits? E ---------------------------------------------------------------------p@ Well, PCSI has *nothing* to do with VMSINSTAL. You will receive E detailed explanation each time a similar feature is available within dD the VMSINSTAL way of building installation kits to figure out where + are the differences and how to handle them.i  = Do I still have the ability to do DCL conditional operations?e= ------------------------------------------------------------- F Yes. PCSI allows pre-configuration and post-installation phases which D are actually handled by DCL procedures that you write, and that can $ be run in interactive mode (or not).  @ Why God did COMPAQ invent PCSI? VMSINSTAL does it so well... :-(< ------------------------------------------------------------A PCSI has a *major* advantage (actually I didn't find others). It eF allows clean uninstallation. When you install a product with PCSI, it F will create elements, environments and copy files here and there. The E PRODUCT REMOVE command will actually remove the installed components  F by deleting all of them, except new files created during product use, D of course. This is a convenient way to clean up a (system) disk and  recover space without danger.    When will it be available? --------------------------  shortly via automatic reboot :-)  @ FAQ produced by Didier.Morandi (@gmx.ch) on 13-MAY-2001 14:17:36F See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vmsinstal for more on the VMSINSTAL  to PCSI migration process.          O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----VM   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupsiI    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other poststL made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.268 ************************