1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 17 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 271       Contents:1 "DECNET_VERSION" Missing From F$GETSYI's VMS Help 5 Re: "DECNET_VERSION" Missing From F$GETSYI's VMS Help 5 Re: "DECNET_VERSION" Missing From F$GETSYI's VMS Help  Alpha Architecture Re: Alpha Architecture Re: Asvr 1000A and a 9GB disk : Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news.: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news.: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news.: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news.: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news.: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news.: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news. Re: Console docs URL Re: Laser Power event  LP27 free to a good home Re: Main system crashed - EOT? Re: Monitor System Re: Mozilla 0.9 applets test Re: NCL? RE: Opera browser  Re: Opera browser  Re: Opera browser  Re: SORT command. F Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information at www.oracle.comI Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information atwww.oracle.com I Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information atwww.oracle.com P Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information atwww.oracle.com atwww./ Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants " Re: unable to link madgoat watcher Re: VMS 5.5-2h4 and y2k A Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc - Re: [DCPS] Duplex Problem with HP Laserjet 5M - Re: [DCPS] Duplex Problem with HP Laserjet 5M   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:30:40 GMT 4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie): Subject: "DECNET_VERSION" Missing From F$GETSYI's VMS Help) Message-ID: <AzAM6.2268$%L5.41469@insync> # Keywords: vms,f$getsyi,lexical,help   J On OpenVMS ALPHA V7.2-1, "DECNET_VERSION" isn't mentioned in the VMS Help " for the F$GETSYI lexical function.  % --Jerry Leslie   leslie@clio.rice.edu /                  leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net ;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid    ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2001 17:47:58 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) > Subject: Re: "DECNET_VERSION" Missing From F$GETSYI's VMS Help- Message-ID: <SSdmdbHbuK1m@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   ` In article <AzAM6.2268$%L5.41469@insync>, LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie) writes:L > On OpenVMS ALPHA V7.2-1, "DECNET_VERSION" isn't mentioned in the VMS Help $ > for the F$GETSYI lexical function.  * It is, however, in the V7.3 documentation.   --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:34:43 GMT 4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)> Subject: Re: "DECNET_VERSION" Missing From F$GETSYI's VMS Help) Message-ID: <7gDM6.2290$%L5.41775@insync>   0 Rob Brooks (brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam) wrote:b : In article <AzAM6.2268$%L5.41469@insync>, LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie) writes:N : > On OpenVMS ALPHA V7.2-1, "DECNET_VERSION" isn't mentioned in the VMS Help & : > for the F$GETSYI lexical function. : , : It is, however, in the V7.3 documentation. :   / Thanks.  I didn't have a V7.3 system available.   % --Jerry Leslie   leslie@clio.rice.edu /                  leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net ;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:10:05 -0400 + From: "O'Connor, Marty" <MOConnor@DVFS.COM>  Subject: Alpha Architecture F Message-ID: <85C741006DA1D0119CE00000F8752CE304078A28@msexc1.dvfs.com>  K I'm working on a conversion from VAX to Alpha and encountered some problems K that got me into the debugger on the Alpha for the first time. At one point H I was looking at machine instructions and realized that I do not have anK Alpha Architecture Handbook (I still have within arms reach my 1981 version C of the "VAX Architecture Handbook"). Does anyone know how to obtain L information on the Alpha Architecture? Or at a minimum, just the instructionL set definitions. It's fairly easy to understand most instructions but I felt9 that I was missing some particulars on some instructions.    Thanks,  Marty O'Connor   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 03:33:06 GMT , From: Michael Blessing <mblessing@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Alpha Architecture A Message-ID: <MPG.156cf44b95189c2b989682@news.ftclns1.co.home.com>    Try I http://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/literature/alpha  ahb.pdf   G In article <85C741006DA1D0119CE00000F8752CE304078A28@msexc1.dvfs.com>,   MOConnor@DVFS.COM says...  > M > I'm working on a conversion from VAX to Alpha and encountered some problems M > that got me into the debugger on the Alpha for the first time. At one point J > I was looking at machine instructions and realized that I do not have anM > Alpha Architecture Handbook (I still have within arms reach my 1981 version E > of the "VAX Architecture Handbook"). Does anyone know how to obtain N > information on the Alpha Architecture? Or at a minimum, just the instructionN > set definitions. It's fairly easy to understand most instructions but I felt; > that I was missing some particulars on some instructions.  > 	 > Thanks,  > Marty O'Connor >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:37:42 GMT ; From: "Stuart R. Fuller" <stu@c49395-a.wodhvn1.mi.home.com> & Subject: Re: Asvr 1000A and a 9GB disk/ Message-ID: <3brud9.osl.ln@momsys.fuller.local>   0 Tomasz Dryjanski <tdryjanski@hotmail.com> wrote:F :> an A1000a has both narrow and wide scsi on the system board and theK :> storageworks shelf can be either.  It depends on which way the system is I :> cabled up inside like, either with a 50 pin or 68 pin cable.  With the K :> A1000a there is about 3 different ways to cable up the scsi and this can  :> cause probs sometime.   : OK, we'll have a look at it.  M :> Vms versions over about 7 should see the disk just fine.  Does vms see the J :> disk at all or just at console??  Have you tried a mc sysman io auto to : see  :> if this works.   J : The disk is visible from the system (BTW it's 7.1-1H1), it's possible to> : initialize it, but any restore operation to this disk fails.  L Maybe I didn't see in the previous replies, how does "any restore operation" fail?  Error messages?           Stu    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:04:05 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> C Subject: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news. & Message-ID: <3B02C115.1EE1DC5@fsi.net>   William_Bochnik@acml.com wrote:  > < > not to get to OT but what do you define as legacy systems? >  > IBM mainframe?& > something installed over a year ago? > anything not NT? > > > something these NT centric kids need to realize - everythingB > becomes a legacy system at some point (assuming that it's around > more than a month)  6 With the dawn of W2K, is not NT now a "legacy" system?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:06:48 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> C Subject: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news. ' Message-ID: <3B02C1B8.CDED44BB@fsi.net>    William_Bochnik@acml.com wrote:  > < > not to get to OT but what do you define as legacy systems?  B Could be either "outdated" (subjective judgement) or "over priced"@ (somewhat less subjective, but still driven by the market and/or$ perceptions), or both (note my sig).   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2001 20:17:55 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)C Subject: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news. * Message-ID: <3b02c453$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  Z In article <3B02C115.1EE1DC5@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:7 >With the dawn of W2K, is not NT now a "legacy" system?   I No. With the dawn of Windows XP, all other 'M$ application launchers' are  now 'legacy'   Giggle   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:38:00 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com C Subject: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news. D Message-ID: <OF97C3D39F.A55EBC77-ON88256A4E.00661BC4@foundation.com>  @ So far as I can tell, there's no "professional", "enterprise" orF "datacentre" versions of XP, so I think W2K is supposed to be businessD version for the time being. It couldn't be called legacy yet anyway,K somebody has to be using it before it can graduate to "legacy". The take up  rate for W2K is glacial. Shane           > eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) on 05/16/2001 11:17:55 AM  6 Please respond to eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   D Subject:  Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news.    : In article <3B02C115.1EE1DC5@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: 7 >With the dawn of W2K, is not NT now a "legacy" system?   I No. With the dawn of Windows XP, all other 'M$ application launchers' are  now 'legacy'   Giggle   --< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2001 22:31:25 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)C Subject: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news. * Message-ID: <3b02e39d$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  h In article <OF97C3D39F.A55EBC77-ON88256A4E.00661BC4@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:A >So far as I can tell, there's no "professional", "enterprise" or  >"datacentre" versions of XP,   I There is also no "professional", "enterprise" or "datacentre" of OpenVMS. I If a opsys is good/complete there is no need to name it in many versions. H No, I don't say that Windows XP is good/complete, but maybe M$ thinks of it this way and therefore...  I >                               so I think W2K is supposed to be business E >version for the time being. It couldn't be called legacy yet anyway, L >somebody has to be using it before it can graduate to "legacy". The take up >rate for W2K is glacial.   D And this is the point. Some people are still migrating _to_ systems,( what other people already call 'legacy'.5 Don't ask a sales man for a definition of 'legacy'...    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:25:28 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>C Subject: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news. ' Message-ID: <3B02FE52.CDC7AD0D@home.nl>    Christopher Smith wrote:   > > -----Original Message-----) > > From: Dirk Munk [mailto:munk@home.nl]  > @ > > Very true. Using laptops for analyzing data is ok, but would > > it not be nice if A > > they could make an ad like "these cars / engines are designed 
 > > with high = > > performance alpha systems". After all, many companies can  > > build a decent; > > laptop, so if Williams (The F1 team) would use Dell, or  >  > *cough* Tadpole/RDI *cough*   B Yes, I did think of the Tadpole, but since it is out of productionD :-((.  Imagine a laptop with a EV68 Alpha. The only problem would beE that the cooling block would already give you a hernia, and you would D need a car battery to power it.  Your lap would get very hot too I'm  afraid. But still, a nice dream.     >  > 
 > Regards, > 6 > Chris -- who has an RDI brochure hanging on the wall > # > Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  > Amdocs - Champaign, IL >  > /usr/bin/perl -e 'A > print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  > '    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:53:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> C Subject: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news. , Message-ID: <3B032106.230CC2F4@videotron.ca>   Dirk Munk wrote:D > Yes, I did think of the Tadpole, but since it is out of productionF > :-((.  Imagine a laptop with a EV68 Alpha. The only problem would beG > that the cooling block would already give you a hernia, and you would F > need a car battery to power it.  Your lap would get very hot too I'm" > afraid. But still, a nice dream.  1 But in northern climates, it might be a winner...    ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2001 15:28:33 -05003 From: malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg)  Subject: Re: Console docs URL 3 Message-ID: <ABPlZ9VqEEGe@eisner.encompasserve.org>   = In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEEECJAA.tom@kednos.company>,  Tom Linden wrote:  > I > Could someone point me to docs for the console?  which says V7.2-1 with  > PALcode V1.20-16?  > J IIRC: The OpenVMS FAQ has pointers to links to alpha server documentation.  G Under the update firmware web pages, there may downloadable manuals for : some versions.  It has been a while since I looked though.   > N > Is there a way to scroll or page info on the screen without hitting ^S  ^Q ? >   K All SRM consoles that I have worked with seem to support some of the common 
 UNIX filters.    >>> show dev|more    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:37:42 GMT ; From: "Stuart R. Fuller" <stu@c49395-a.wodhvn1.mi.home.com>  Subject: Re: Laser Power event/ Message-ID: <94rud9.osl.ln@momsys.fuller.local>   ( Iris Green <iris.green@intel.com> wrote:	 : Hi all,   I : We had a VAX node crash, that had to be maually reset 4 times before it J : would reboot. We were told that the cause of the crash is a "Laser Power	 : Event".    : What does that mean?  M A "laser power event" is simply a message from the console subsystem advising J VMS of the power status while the system was down.  It's not necessarily aJ problem, however.  Many times, if you look at the error log entry, it justJ shows you the status of the power supplies (output voltage, current loads,- battery status [if you have batteries], etc.)            Stu    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:02:07 GMT / From: "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@xxx.mediaone.net> ! Subject: LP27 free to a good homeVD Message-ID: <jxhL6.604$gN3.435677@typhoon.jacksonville.mediaone.net>  3 I've got an LP27 that needs to be disposed of soon._: It's fully operational (running today) and has always been< under maintenance contract.  It's driven with a DECserver2509 which you can have with the printer.  Pick it up and it'so yours (or pay shipping).   Location is Jacksonville FL.   Regards, Tomi tsimpson@osi.to.coms  # (Remove the .com to get the correct 
 mail address)-   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 03:33:23 GMTn7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)d' Subject: Re: Main system crashed - EOT?n& Message-ID: <GDGn7n.D05@world.std.com>  3 "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski@hotmail.com> writes:l  & >After system downgrade we have so far  K >OpenVMS V7.1-1H1 on node PROMIS 15-MAY-2001 16:12:28.24 Uptime 22 12:13:40i  < >- so I think it's as stable as before upgrading to 7.2-1H1.C >I assume the problem solved (I hope I don't write it prematurely!):  G >BTW it occurred it's no use to rely on Compaq field service in Poland.:  E I suggest you upgrade to V7.1-2.  7.1-2 contains everything that -1H1uH contains plus all the various patch kits to 7.1 and -1H1 released beforeD a certain date.  In addition, there are patch kits that are only forI 7.1-2 that you should apply.  7.1-2 is the version that everyone who must  run 7.1 should be running.   -Mikei   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 18:06:24 +0000 (UTC)u' From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)o Subject: Re: Monitor Systemu+ Message-ID: <9dufj0$onj$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   Q In article <3b028b90.528781667@news.starnet.net>, sfm1115@bjc.org (Shawn) writes:eE >When running Monitor System on an OpenVms 7 Alpha Server I noticed ae >portion that Reads: >d >Free List Sizel >Modified List Size. >iG >Can someone explain to me what this is used to monitor.  I am thinkinge1 >it has to do with Opened Files, but am not sure.  >  >Thanks in advance.  >  >Shawn a  J No this is to do with Memory management - in particular the Secondary Page cache.  , See the OpenVMS Performance management guide  iL http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6491/6491pro_002.html#memory_chap    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:50:21 GMTJ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>i% Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.9 applets test-- Message-ID: <3B02F5D6.72F2635A@theblakes.com>m  G This won't do much since we don't have Java yet, but it shouldn't crash  either.   : The good news is that this bug is fixed (but not in M0.9).   Colin.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:52:58 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>c Subject: Re: NCL? < Message-ID: <howard-98B870.22525816052001@enews.newsguy.com>  , In article <3B020F36.333FEDA8@videotron.ca>,/  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:m  N > Yes, with better documentation, the experience might have been easier. But IG > think that the VMS implementation could have been simplified greatly.s  O I still think that the Phase 5 engineers should be strung up by their thumbs.  SN Or at least forced to use Windows 1.0, in order to explain to them the depths ! of their interface design errors.  -- n Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:57:31 -0700i! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>R Subject: RE: Opera browser9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEFPCJAA.tom@kednos.com>@  I It is a good product, I started using it about 4 years ago, although I amzI currently not running cause I have a system powerful enough to handle thew@ microsoft bloat.  But this gets back to a previous discussion onJ portability.  There shouldn't even be a discussion of whether to support aG unix interface or not.  Look at USS under MVS.  IBM knows what they arey doing.   > -----Original Message-----H > From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com [mailto:Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com]( > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:45 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- > Subject: Opera browser >e >1K > Y'know, it's a pity only Christof and I were interested in trying to pushj< > Opera into a VMS port. They're popping up everywhere else: >7= >      Opera follows up Linux version with IBM appliance dealr >V8 >      http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/18985.html >t > Shanee >n >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 01:01:05 +0200i) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>h Subject: Re: Opera browser, Message-ID: <3B0306B1.B26D76B7@infopuls.com>   Tom Linden wrote:u > K > It is a good product, I started using it about 4 years ago, although I amtK > currently not running cause I have a system powerful enough to handle the B > microsoft bloat.  But this gets back to a previous discussion onL > portability.  There shouldn't even be a discussion of whether to support aI > unix interface or not.  Look at USS under MVS.  IBM knows what they arel > doing. >  > > -----Original Message-----J > > From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com [mailto:Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com]* > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:45 AM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml > > Subject: Opera browser > >a > >eM > > Y'know, it's a pity only Christof and I were interested in trying to pushO> > > Opera into a VMS port. They're popping up everywhere else: > >n? > >      Opera follows up Linux version with IBM appliance dealA > >f: > >      http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/18985.html > >r	 > > Shane  > >z > >a  9 Honestly if SW is well layered this discussion isn't thatv< important because you port your compatibility layer once and? forever. My hobby idea is to have RMS indexed files for storingt> the bookmarks. If the interface for that is implemented on VMS8 with RMS you could use it for the future versions of the> browser. A browser is not a good example from my point of view> for complaining about VMS not offering a UNIX-like API because< most of the function points are completely OS independent. I: wonder why Opera not already did a VMS port. Having a good9 architecture this shouldn't that much effort. Taking into3@ account what the alternatives are Opera should have a fair game.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:05:24 -0400t( From: Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> Subject: Re: Opera browserK Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105162203490.1285-100000@triangle.cs.uofs.edu>8  6 On Wed, 16 May 2001 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:  K > Y'know, it's a pity only Christof and I were interested in trying to pushe< > Opera into a VMS port. They're popping up everywhere else: > = >      Opera follows up Linux version with IBM appliance deala > 8 >      http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/18985.html >   A Uhhh.  I think if you actually go back and check the old messagesH? you'll find that I was the first one to suggest that.  EveryonetD else just came up with all the reasons why this would be a bad idea.   bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:49:18 -0400w- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>d Subject: Re: SORT command.- Message-ID: <3B032E1E.4F5CAA5C@bellsouth.net>a   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:   > Pat Rankin wrote:  > >n4 > > In article <9ds10u$bkl$2@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>,\D > >  "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk> writes...J > > > I tried to sort to text files which is the output from two different) > > > systems SYSUAF files in brief form.w > > >.H > > > On a third machine I did SORT/KEY=(POS:22,SIZE:4,DECIMAL,UNSIGNED)< > > > NODE1::SYSUAF.TXT, NODE2::SYSUAF.TXT SORTED_SYSUAF.TXT > >p@ > >      Your data is entirely ASCII text.  Falsely telling SORTD > > that the key is packed decimal binary data is guaranteed to give > > bogus results. > >oB > >      You're going to need to use a sort specification file--orC > > else reformat the data before sorting--if you want to treat themC > > UIC values as sensible multi-digit numbers.  In particular, thea? > > shorter digit sequences will need to be padded with leadingCD > > spaces in order for them to be right justified and have the same# > > length as the longest sequence.s > >cD > >      If you use ``LIST /BRIEF [*,*]'' to create your input filesA > > in the first place, they will already be sorted in UIC order.eB > > But offhand I can't think of a simple way to merge two of themB > > together using SORT or MERGE because their UIC ordering is notD > > the same as the corresponding ASCII order.  I think you'll stillC > > need a specification file to pad the short numbers with leadingi6 > > spaces (or zeroes) for use in the key comparisons. >r- > I would expect (possibly incorrectly) that:e >a: > $ SORT/NODUP infile1,infile2/KEY=(POS=38,siz=12) outfile >tG > ...would accomplish what he wants, provided he only wants to kick out0J > duplicate UICs. Trying to isolate either groups or members would require > a /SPEC file, as you said. >   1 Funny, they must have fixed some things in 7.2-1:pJ $ sort sysuaf1.lis,sysuaf.lis sys.lis/key=(POS=38,size=4,decimal,unsigned)? %SORT-W-BAD_SRL, record length (0) is too short to contain keysw; -SORT-E-READERR, error reading USER1:[MAUSTIN]SYSUAF1.LIS;1o? %SORT-W-BAD_SRL, record length (0) is too short to contain keys-: -SORT-E-READERR, error reading USER1:[MAUSTIN]SYSUAF.LIS;1  I I could be wrong, but it appears that he is trying to MERGE the two filesHI into one,  therefore producing an output file with only unique UIC's.  In 4 which case, the following command works as I stated.  @ sort sysuaf1.lis,sysuaf2.lis sys1.lis /key=(POS=38,siz=12)/nodup  J If you are trying to "merge" only unique UIC's you have a problem because,K now you don't know what username got dropped if only the UIC was duplicate.0J You could also have more the same username with two different UIC's.  It'sF one of those things where you are going to have to use a bit of DCL to figure out.s   Michael Austin DBA Consultant   $ create t.t 1e 2y 3t 4y 5, 6o $ create s.s 1u 2g 3  4o 5i 6a 7r 8a 9t $ sort s.s,t.t x.x
 $ type x.x 1W 1i 2l 2a 3  3n 4  4  5  5p 6@ 6s 7n 8( 9e $ sort s.s,t.t x.x/nodup
 $ type x.x 1  2l 3e 4s 5d 6  7a 8a 9h $t     >  > -- > David J. DachteraV > dba DJE Systemsc > http://www.djesys.com/ >t< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/. >cH > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. > B > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:06:26 -0400W- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>-O Subject: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information at www.oracle.com-4 Message-ID: <LkzM6.238610$Z2.2604873@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  B Can anyone else who has been down this road before please tell me;  0      Starting from www.oracle.com how do I find;C          1. The current version of Oracle Classic that runs on VMS?5A          2. What versions of Oracle Classic are supported on VMS?c;          3. The matrix of VMS versions vs. Oracle Versions? J          4. Anything about OPS on VMS (I found a lot of information on OPS% on NT, but nothing about OPS on VMS!)f:          5. Anything about RDB (I know I can jump right toK www.oracle.com/rdb, but how does someone get there who does not know that?)   4 Please Keep in mind that clicking on SEARCH gives meJ "javascript:document.SearchForm.submit(); The page cannot be displayed" orI "use_query_html.submit_query_input: PROCEDURE DOESN'T EXIST" depending onm% what page I hit the search button on.g    G I know I have asked for this type of information before and I am alwayshH given the answers to the questions I am looking for, but please; someoneF teach me how I can find the information myself so I do not need to askE again. Everytime I need to find this information it is an exercise in-I frustration trying to figure this stuff out. Questions sent via the "SendSJ your Comments" go unanswered (actually, come to think of it - a question IK sent to a Compaq Webmaster through their "Contact Us" page has not yet been- answered after two days).    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:10:56 -0300c) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br R Subject: Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information atwww.oracle.comL Message-ID: <OF28F5814F.3CD35717-ON03256A4E.0063BF55@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H Why dont you  try to go to www.intersystems.com..... they look like hav= e ) a good database for OpenVMS... Cach=E9...s  ' Anyone using Cach=E9 in this list ?????    Regardsc   FC            > "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> em 16/05/2001 15:06:26  9 Favor responder a "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>h             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comd      @ Assunto: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information at          www.oracle.comh    B Can anyone else who has been down this road before please tell me;  0      Starting from www.oracle.com how do I find;C          1. The current version of Oracle Classic that runs on VMS?nA          2. What versions of Oracle Classic are supported on VMS?r;          3. The matrix of VMS versions vs. Oracle Versions?eH          4. Anything about OPS on VMS (I found a lot of information on = OPS\% on NT, but nothing about OPS on VMS!)!:          5. Anything about RDB (I know I can jump right toH www.oracle.com/rdb, but how does someone get there who does not know th= at?)  4 Please Keep in mind that clicking on SEARCH gives meH "javascript:document.SearchForm.submit(); The page cannot be displayed"=  or H "use_query_html.submit_query_input: PROCEDURE DOESN'T EXIST" depending = on% what page I hit the search button on.o    H I know I have asked for this type of information before and I am always=  H given the answers to the questions I am looking for, but please; someon= etF teach me how I can find the information myself so I do not need to askE again. Everytime I need to find this information it is an exercise in6H frustration trying to figure this stuff out. Questions sent via the "Se= ndH your Comments" go unanswered (actually, come to think of it - a questio= n IeH sent to a Compaq Webmaster through their "Contact Us" page has not yet = been answered after two days).o                       =r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:36:58 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>eR Subject: Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information atwww.oracle.com4 Message-ID: <nNzM6.238637$Z2.2605251@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OF28F5814F.3CD35717-ON03256A4E.0063BF55@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...J > Why dont you  try to go to www.intersystems.com..... they look like have) > a good database for OpenVMS... Cach...o  K If it was my decision I would dump Oracle Classic and load RDB on every boxaH I could. It is too bad that a great product like RDB is owned by Oracle.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 02:34:21 GMTy$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>Y Subject: Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information atwww.oracle.com atwww.e) Message-ID: <3B033911.C2E9C733@wi.rr.com>r  @ Yes, the IDX shops will be migrating to Cache' from ISM and DSM.  N Eventually, there will be quite a few VMS shops using Cache after IDX gets all of its customers converted.f   -Scott  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  J > Why dont you  try to go to www.intersystems.com..... they look like have) > a good database for OpenVMS... Cach...e >u' > Anyone using Cach in this list ?????a >r	 > Regardsf >u > FC >t@ > "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> em 16/05/2001 15:06:26 >a; > Favor responder a "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>s >@ >       Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com2 >rB > Assunto: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information at >          www.oracle.come >tD > Can anyone else who has been down this road before please tell me; >n2 >      Starting from www.oracle.com how do I find;E >          1. The current version of Oracle Classic that runs on VMS?rC >          2. What versions of Oracle Classic are supported on VMS? = >          3. The matrix of VMS versions vs. Oracle Versions?mL >          4. Anything about OPS on VMS (I found a lot of information on OPS' > on NT, but nothing about OPS on VMS!)M< >          5. Anything about RDB (I know I can jump right toM > www.oracle.com/rdb, but how does someone get there who does not know that?)> > 6 > Please Keep in mind that clicking on SEARCH gives meL > "javascript:document.SearchForm.submit(); The page cannot be displayed" orK > "use_query_html.submit_query_input: PROCEDURE DOESN'T EXIST" depending one' > what page I hit the search button on.  >bI > I know I have asked for this type of information before and I am always J > given the answers to the questions I am looking for, but please; someoneH > teach me how I can find the information myself so I do not need to askG > again. Everytime I need to find this information it is an exercise iniK > frustration trying to figure this stuff out. Questions sent via the "Send.L > your Comments" go unanswered (actually, come to think of it - a question IM > sent to a Compaq Webmaster through their "Contact Us" page has not yet beenU > answered after two days).x   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:03:34 -0700q" From: Brad Hughes <brad@tgsmc.com>8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants) Message-ID: <3B02F936.4A1CA601@tgsmc.com>n   Christopher Smith wrote: [...]eC > > As a matter of intertest, what in your opinion would be "expandi& > > filesystems online" in VMS terms ? > L > I read him to mean that on other systems you can plug a new disk into, forM > instance, a RAID set, and get to use it. (without interrupting the host)  InH > don't imagine VMS has lived without this feature, so at this point I'mN > assuming Andrew has bad information.  Not having RAID, I don't know for sure > :) >   G If you mount a RAID set as, say DKA0:, then as long as DKA0: is mounted G you're unable to modify its capacity, as reflected in the "Total Block":S count from show device/full.  You can increase the RAID capacity by adding volumes,sK but to use this increased capacity by VMS you need to dismount and remount.s  O At a DEC, er.. Compaq Storageworks seminar this past fall it was mentioned thattR some future version of VMS would allow dynamically modifying disk volume metadata.U Though I don't recall it being slated for 7.3, it did seem high on the priority list.u   Brad   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:55:08 +0200n> From: "Jean-Francois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>+ Subject: Re: unable to link madgoat watchere. Message-ID: <9dupdf$6ta$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>  5 Found the file in the source directory, and copied itl% to both link directory and bin-axp ..t Then the link went ok ...e Thanks a lot !
 Jean-Franois   : <norm.raphael@jamesbury.com> a crit dans le message news:) C2256A4E.00603968.00@jklh21.valmet.com...r >t >a< > This is correct.  I am running V3.1 and have the following >  > $ type version.opt > IDENT="V3.1" > $" > C > I believe the file is in the BIN-AXP subdirectory and needs to be0- > copied up to where the link.com is located.: >: >e >b >s0 > greenwoodde@ornl.gov on 05/16/2001 01:13:53 PM >n( > Please respond to greenwoodde@ornl.gov >s > To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comu > cc:z. > Subject:  Re: unable to link madgoat watcher >f >e >g    L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----        ? "Jean-Francois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote:n > Bonjour  tous ! >o- > Trying to build watcher v3.1-1 on vms 7.2-1 # > I'm getting the following error :-/ > %LINK-F-OPENIN, error opening VERSION.OPT ...n! > which effectively doesn't existe >s > The link command is < > link ... /sysexe v7_watcher.alpha+_opt/opt,version.opt/opt >1 > Any known workwaround ?y  E What happens if you omit the ",version.opt/opt"?  Given the name, I'dr4 expect the missing file to contain nothing more than  +   IDENTIFICATION = "some_v7_version_number"d  I In case you don't already know, that sets the "image file identification"n value shown by analyze/image.-   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV@H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:59:36 -0400 * From: Eric Ebinger <eebinger@telocity.com>  Subject: Re: VMS 5.5-2h4 and y2k8 Message-ID: <004401c0de75$0ad49de0$0200a8c0@teamrdb.com>  I The real question is: After upgrading from VMS 5.5-2 with the Y2k patchesh: to VMS 5.5-2h4 do the Y2k patches need to be re-installed?   Eric Ebinger ----- Original Message -----" From: <norm.raphael@jamesbury.com> To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>-# Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 1:09 PM.  Subject: Re: VMS 5.5-2h4 and y2k     >  > 3 > IIRC, the y2k patches are for any 5.5-2* variant.V> > the h4 is a hardware-specific subversion and the y2k patches) > should be hardware-variant-independent.i0 > This is not, however, an authoritative answer. >r >T >' >p. > coconut@netway.com on 05/15/2001 12:34:59 PM >l& > Please respond to coconut@netway.com >a > To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comh > cc:e > Subject:  VMS 5.5-2h4 and y2kr >  >h >  > I > First, much thanks to the kindness of list members in providing me witho the vmsa5 > 5.5-2h4 upgrade.  It appears very simple to handle.. > L > Does anyone know of y2k fixes for the h4 upgrade, or will the ones applied forc > 5.5-2 be sufficient? >n > Dan Graham >u >u >u >i >o >h >u   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 06:44:51 +0100t  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>J Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Multimedia Doc+ Message-ID: <VA.00000399.51f23f73@sture.ch>t  C In article <878zjxi0oc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi wrote:t > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms P > Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc. > From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" > Date: 17 May 2001 02:55:15 +0800 > F > Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> writes: > H > > On a related matter, does anyone want to comment on the most unusualF > > piece of hardware (either on the bus or via an external interface)H > > that they have ever seen connected to and controlled by a VMS system > > ?v > = > Boggle... Tim has a transit network. Hum, I've work on onesa= > with most everything in a steel works, Blast furnaces, BOS,/< > Mills, Electroplaters, Arc Furnaces, railway, reclaimer... > E > Several oil fields, and various drab olive loud items come to mind.h0 > Plus, that place. Foo knows what they connect! >sN And from the mail order world, 6 storey high automatic picking cranes loading N stuff onto unmanned routable trucks, then to a high speed conveyor belt which M drops each item into a bin per order packer. Connected into timeclocks for a y* bonus scheme. Anti-pilfering measures too.  P The most impressive thing to me was the way it was all integrated into a single O business system. The cranes, trucks and conveyors were the definite showpieces g for the layman, obviously.  B All run by 2 Alphas, although the system started out as VAX based.   ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerlandn   ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2001 20:13:02 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc* Message-ID: <3b02c32e$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  { In article <C6zM6.4299$6j3.375798@www.newsranger.com>, Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> writes: / >On Mon, 14 May 2001 17:44:09 -0400, in article = ><wrYL6.263$fi2.6540@news.cpqcorp.net>, Paul A. Jacobi wrote: F >>If you add a PCI sound card to a Wildfire, you have the world's mostM >>expensive MP3 player!  Yes, I tied it and it works.  It was just a bit hardt >>to hear over the fan noise.   C I use MP3 on my PWS for months/years now. It's not cheap either :-( 2 And regarding the noise problem, use a headset ;-)  E >When I see comments like these it makes me wonder just what else VMSh> >Engineering gets up to that we never get to hear about... :-)   Probably a lot.E  K >On a related matter, does anyone want to comment on the most unusual piece G >of hardware (either on the bus or via an external interface) that theyo= >have ever seen connected to and controlled by a VMS system ?e   Not me.r   -- n< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888m< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:16:36 -0300m) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia DocL Message-ID: <OF3EB20513.95C34339-ON03256A4E.00644C03@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   People  @ I would like to install USB devices or Firewire IEEE-1394  in my+  Alpha 1000 running OpenVMS. Just this ....g   Regardso   FC        ; eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) em 16/05/2001 15:13:02U  6 Favor responder a eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com,      J Assunto: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia          Doc    D In article <C6zM6.4299$6j3.375798@www.newsranger.com>, Simon Clubley6 <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> writes:/ >On Mon, 14 May 2001 17:44:09 -0400, in articlea= ><wrYL6.263$fi2.6540@news.cpqcorp.net>, Paul A. Jacobi wrote: F >>If you add a PCI sound card to a Wildfire, you have the world's mostH >>expensive MP3 player!  Yes, I tied it and it works.  It was just a bit hard >>to hear over the fan noise.   C I use MP3 on my PWS for months/years now. It's not cheap either :-(h2 And regarding the noise problem, use a headset ;-)  E >When I see comments like these it makes me wonder just what else VMSs> >Engineering gets up to that we never get to hear about... :-)   Probably a lot.   K >On a related matter, does anyone want to comment on the most unusual pieceeG >of hardware (either on the bus or via an external interface) that theyc= >have ever seen connected to and controlled by a VMS system ?f   Not me.r   --< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:50:43 -0400d* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc7 Message-ID: <A_zM6.12704$iC1.429876@news6.giganews.com>n  7 "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in message8$ news:3b02c32e$1@news.kapsch.co.at...F > In article <C6zM6.4299$6j3.375798@www.newsranger.com>, Simon Clubley6 <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> writes:1 > >On Mon, 14 May 2001 17:44:09 -0400, in articleV? > ><wrYL6.263$fi2.6540@news.cpqcorp.net>, Paul A. Jacobi wrote:nH > >>If you add a PCI sound card to a Wildfire, you have the world's mostJ > >>expensive MP3 player!  Yes, I tied it and it works.  It was just a bit hard > >>to hear over the fan noise.  > E > I use MP3 on my PWS for months/years now. It's not cheap either :-( 4 > And regarding the noise problem, use a headset ;-)  F Hmmmm.... where can one find a list of supported sound cards for VMS ?< Are they all PCI only or are older architectures supported ?? (Unfortunately, I have a DECpc/AXP 150 (aka DEC 2000 Model 300)n=  and a 4000VLC so this is probably an academic question %-(.)h   -Andy-   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2001 02:55:15 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc- Message-ID: <878zjxi0oc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>a  D Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> writes:  F > On a related matter, does anyone want to comment on the most unusualD > piece of hardware (either on the bus or via an external interface)F > that they have ever seen connected to and controlled by a VMS system > ?-  ; Boggle... Tim has a transit network. Hum, I've work on ones0; with most everything in a steel works, Blast furnaces, BOS,S: Mills, Electroplaters, Arc Furnaces, railway, reclaimer...  C Several oil fields, and various drab olive loud items come to mind.t. Plus, that place. Foo knows what they connect!   -- y< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov f   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 18:01:36 -0400 * From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com>N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc1 Message-ID: <cUCM6.398$fi2.9172@news.cpqcorp.net>r  6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OF3EB20513.95C34339-ON03256A4E.00644C03@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br... > People > B > I would like to install USB devices or Firewire IEEE-1394  in my >  Alpha 1000 running OpenVMS.  K USB support for OpenVMS is in progress.  It is expected to become available K along with a future generation of "legacy-free" Alpha systems.  We probably)> will not support older systems, but that is subject to change.  J USB device support will be limited to Compaq qualified products.  However,L we hope to fully document the USB driver interface and provide sample source
 code, so that > 3rd parties can provide OpenVMS drivers for other USB devices.  L There are currently no plans to support IEEE-1394 on OpenVMS.  We do hope toE eventually support USB 2.0, which is actually faster than the currentoK generation of IEEE-1394.  Plans are subject to change depending upon marketa$ acceptance of USB 2.0 and IEEE-1394.     Paul A. Jacobi Compaq Computer Corporation ! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14  110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698  Email: Paul.Jacobi@compaq.comp   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:00:51 -0400a% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc/ Message-ID: <tg65633hed4s7f@news.supernews.com>u  G "Simon Clubley" <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> wrote ine8 message news:C6zM6.4299$6j3.375798@www.newsranger.com...0 > On Mon, 14 May 2001 17:44:09 -0400, in article> > <wrYL6.263$fi2.6540@news.cpqcorp.net>, Paul A. Jacobi wrote: > >sG > >If you add a PCI sound card to a Wildfire, you have the world's mostoI > >expensive MP3 player!  Yes, I tied it and it works.  It was just a bitc hard > >to hear over the fan noise. > >R [snip] > L > On a related matter, does anyone want to comment on the most unusual pieceH > of hardware (either on the bus or via an external interface) that they> > have ever seen connected to and controlled by a VMS system ? >p  I I once did some work for a vending machine company getting VMS to talk to3L their money counters.  The machines would count and sort the coins and bills" and then report the totals to VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:52:31 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>-N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc+ Message-ID: <3B0320CD.CB421B1@videotron.ca>o   "Paul A. Jacobi" wrote: N > There are currently no plans to support IEEE-1394 on OpenVMS.  We do hope toG > eventually support USB 2.0, which is actually faster than the currentpM > generation of IEEE-1394.  Plans are subject to change depending upon market.& > acceptance of USB 2.0 and IEEE-1394.  N Considering that theye are starting to market video cameras with firewire, andM considering that APPLE's had firewire for some time, I have a feeling that itr might be around for some time.  L Considering that in the Q-BUS days many many created their own Q-BUS devicesI and drivers, I am curious as to why it would be so difficult to write VMS38 drivers for some PCI card that supports USB or Firewire.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 03:40:10 GMT 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)tN Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc& Message-ID: <GDGnIy.FqA@world.std.com>  , "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> writes:    G >Hmmmm.... where can one find a list of supported sound cards for VMS ?e= >Are they all PCI only or are older architectures supported ? @ >(Unfortunately, I have a DECpc/AXP 150 (aka DEC 2000 Model 300)> > and a 4000VLC so this is probably an academic question %-(.)  E The funny little sound card in an Alphastation 200 is just a clone ofoI the ISA Microsoft Sound Card.  So the ISA Microsoft Sound Card will work.   I As to your VS 4000 VLC, it has a sound driver built in.  Plug a telephonesJ receiver into the jack for one and you should hear the selftest tones nextG time you reset or powercycle it.  I don't know if there's an MP3 playern? that runs on that sound device (SOA0: ?) though.  Probably not.r   -Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 00:22:06 -0400-. From: Chuck McCrobie <mccrobie@cablespeed.com>N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc. Message-ID: <3B0351EE.331385AB@cablespeed.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > "Paul A. Jacobi" wrote:.P > > There are currently no plans to support IEEE-1394 on OpenVMS.  We do hope toI > > eventually support USB 2.0, which is actually faster than the currenteO > > generation of IEEE-1394.  Plans are subject to change depending upon market(( > > acceptance of USB 2.0 and IEEE-1394. > P > Considering that theye are starting to market video cameras with firewire, andO > considering that APPLE's had firewire for some time, I have a feeling that itm  > might be around for some time. > N > Considering that in the Q-BUS days many many created their own Q-BUS devicesK > and drivers, I am curious as to why it would be so difficult to write VMS : > drivers for some PCI card that supports USB or Firewire.  G I don't think it is very difficult.  However, I don't have much time torG come up with a good Firewire driver architecture.  I would also like tooG have Firewire on FreeBSD AND OpenVMS Alpha using the same driver engineIE - should be very possible - only the top part of the driver interface D changes (the bottom PCI stuff is somewhat similar, different routineB calls, but that should be easier to write "wrapper" routines for).  F Now, how much would people in this newsgroup pay for a Firewire driverH for OpenVMS that included SBP-2 (disk), multi-media (speakers/monitors),H network (tcp/ip), and CAM-corder and moving editing software?  I suspect not much if anything at all.  B How much would the general OpenVMS user public pay for the above? ( Possibly not much interest there either.  F Now, if the same software/driver engine runs on FreeBSD, how much more= revenue would that generate - again, I don't think very much.   A So, what's the incentive?  After all, free time is expensive too!o   Chuck McCrobie -- n --    ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2001 20:30:09 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)6 Subject: Re: [DCPS] Duplex Problem with HP Laserjet 5M* Message-ID: <3b02c731$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  W In article <3af28406$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:-K >As we had to replace our robust printer (HPLJ4) with another one (HPLJ5M),wM >I'm now facing problems (and I wonder, why they didn't pop up before at all)  >'" >I can't get duplex printing jobs.  L I got a mail, telling me that it is unable to use Postscript Duplex PrintingJ on a HP Laserjet 5M with less than 10MB Memory. And indeed, I've only 6MB.  H Seems, I've to add printer memory or discard DCPS on this printer queue.) Does someone have a another/better idea ?'   -- e< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888d< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:29:26 +0000 (UTC)I& From: dsf@frontiernet.net (Dan Foster)6 Subject: Re: [DCPS] Duplex Problem with HP Laserjet 5M4 Message-ID: <9dukem$tcm$1@node21.cwnet.roc.gblx.net>  * In article <3b02c731$1@news.kapsch.co.at>,+ Peter LANGSTOEGER <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote: C >In article <3af28406$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peterh >LANGSTOEGER) writes: L >>As we had to replace our robust printer (HPLJ4) with another one (HPLJ5M),N >>I'm now facing problems (and I wonder, why they didn't pop up before at all) >># >>I can't get duplex printing jobs.: >SM >I got a mail, telling me that it is unable to use Postscript Duplex PrintingtK >on a HP Laserjet 5M with less than 10MB Memory. And indeed, I've only 6MB.b >aI >Seems, I've to add printer memory or discard DCPS on this printer queue.e* >Does someone have a another/better idea ?  J I'd suggest going the add-printer-memory route. Those can be pretty cheap.H I bought a 64 MB DIMM for my LaserJet 4050se for something like $100, to, give you an idea :) (built-in onboard? 8 MB)  J By the way - where I got it from was Kingston (www.kingston.com). The U.S.I pricing is $40 for a 16 MB LaserJet 5M memory module; don't know what theuJ European pricing is. http://www.kingston.com/europe/wheretobuy/default.asp   -Dan   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.271 ************************