1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 17 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 272       Contents: RE: Alpha Architecture Re: Alpha Architecture RE: Alpha Architecture Re: Asvr 1000A and a 9GB disk  Re: Asvr 1000A and a 9GB disk ' Changing default gateway of IP protocol + Re: Changing default gateway of IP protocol : Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news. Re: Console docs URL Re: DFO on system disks  Re: DFO on system disks " HG FILESERV - search by date added Re: How to connect to RDB? Re: Laser Power event  Re: Memo:  Multimedia Doc $ Re: Methodology of Capacity planning Re: Monitor System Re: Monitor System Re: Monitor System Re: Monitor System Re: Monitor System0 Re: Mozilla 0.9 how do I save email attachments.0 Re: Mozilla 0.9 how do I save email attachments. Re: Opera browser  Re: Opera browser  Re: SORT command. J Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information at www.oracle.comJ Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information at www.oracle.com Teamlinks and MAPI Re: Teamlinks and MAPI Re: Teamlinks and MAPI/ Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants  The Voter  4024 ' Vax 4000-700 boot syntax for shadow set + Re: Vax 4000-700 boot syntax for shadow set  VAX Acronym  Re: VAX Acronym  Re: VAX Acronym  RE: VAX Acronym  Re: VAX Acronym  RE: VAX Acronym  Re: VAX Acronym  Re: VMS 5.5-2h4 and y2k  Re: VMS 7.3 kit E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc  What is "legacy free system" Re: Re: What is RWCLUS- Re: [DCPS] Duplex Problem with HP Laserjet 5M # [PATHWORKS-32] What is the future ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:15:34 -0400 + From: "O'Connor, Marty" <MOConnor@DVFS.COM>  Subject: RE: Alpha Architecture F Message-ID: <85C741006DA1D0119CE00000F8752CE304078A29@msexc1.dvfs.com>  . Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. Marty   5 From: 	Michael Blessing [mailto:mblessing@yahoo.com]   Try L http://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/literature/alphaahb pdf   J > I was looking at machine instructions and realized that I do not have anE > Alpha Architecture Handbook (I still have within arms reach my 1981  version E > of the "VAX Architecture Handbook"). Does anyone know how to obtain       ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2001 09:15:32 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Alpha Architecture 3 Message-ID: <LR2VYIGl0TTG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   t In article <85C741006DA1D0119CE00000F8752CE304078A28@msexc1.dvfs.com>, "O'Connor, Marty" <MOConnor@DVFS.COM> writes: > M > I'm working on a conversion from VAX to Alpha and encountered some problems M > that got me into the debugger on the Alpha for the first time. At one point J > I was looking at machine instructions and realized that I do not have anM > Alpha Architecture Handbook (I still have within arms reach my 1981 version E > of the "VAX Architecture Handbook"). Does anyone know how to obtain N > information on the Alpha Architecture? Or at a minimum, just the instructionN > set definitions. It's fairly easy to understand most instructions but I felt; > that I was missing some particulars on some instructions.   H The instruction set is also discussed in the Macro-64 manual.  There's a summary in  ?  help macro /alpha MACRO-64_Alpha_Architecture_Quick_Reference  H (might have been installed with the now free assembler, I don't recall).  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:10:57 -0400 + From: "O'Connor, Marty" <MOConnor@DVFS.COM>  Subject: RE: Alpha Architecture F Message-ID: <85C741006DA1D0119CE00000F8752CE304078A2B@msexc1.dvfs.com>  ' Thanks, I found this on my system also.  Marty   J > I was looking at machine instructions and realized that I do not have anE > Alpha Architecture Handbook (I still have within arms reach my 1981  version E > of the "VAX Architecture Handbook"). Does anyone know how to obtain ) > information on the Alpha Architecture?    H The instruction set is also discussed in the Macro-64 manual.  There's a summary in  ?  help macro /alpha MACRO-64_Alpha_Architecture_Quick_Reference  H (might have been installed with the now free assembler, I don't recall).  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:01:44 +0200 1 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski@hotmail.com> & Subject: Re: Asvr 1000A and a 9GB disk- Message-ID: <9e00h3$t8j$1@news2.ipartners.pl>   L > : The disk is visible from the system (BTW it's 7.1-1H1), it's possible to@ > : initialize it, but any restore operation to this disk fails. > C > Maybe I didn't see in the previous replies, how does "any restore 
 operation" > fail?  Error messages?  9 Impossible to mount. A message regarding Files-11 system.    T. D.    ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:55:08 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>& Subject: Re: Asvr 1000A and a 9GB diskJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105171153220.29378-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  , On Thu, 17 May 2001, Tomasz Dryjanski wrote: [...] N >+> : The disk is visible from the system (BTW it's 7.1-1H1), it's possible toB >+> : initialize it, but any restore operation to this disk fails. >+> E >+> Maybe I didn't see in the previous replies, how does "any restore  >+operation" >+> fail?  Error messages? >+; >+Impossible to mount. A message regarding Files-11 system.   9  Tomasz, please send info what EXACT you do with the disk  (the command sequence). 8  Looks like some misuse of /IMAGE & nonIMAGE BACKUP... !   >+T. D.     Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:59:27 +0200 $ From: "Paul B." <schizi@hotmail.com>0 Subject: Changing default gateway of IP protocol% Message-ID: <3b039352$1@news.cvut.cz>   4 We have DS20, OpenVMS 7.2-1, TCPIP V5.0A, Oracle RDB  0 I want to change default gateway of IP protocol.   My plan is :  ( TCPIP> SET NOROUTE /GATEWAY="oldgateway". TCPIP> SET NOROUTE /GATEWAY="oldgateway" /PERM1 TCPIP> SET ROUTE /GATEWAY="newgateway" /DEF /PERM , TCPIP> SET ROUTE /GATEWAY="newdgateway" /DEF  H If I try this (with the same gateway, because I haven't new gateway yet)E and then when I want to  "work" with records in the volatile database  e.g.5 TCPIP> SET NOROUTE /GATEWAY="other-NondefaultGateway"   the error message appears to me:  B %TCPIP-E-ROUTEERROR, error accessing routes database (TCPIP$ROUTE)' -SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value   " but after exiting TCPIP prompt and/ reentry run prompt the same command works well.     1 I need to know if I have to restart TCPIP or not, $ (I don't want to stop our database.)9 alternatively what si the recommended advance of changing  default gateway.  	 Thank you    Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:14:41 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 4 Subject: Re: Changing default gateway of IP protocol, Message-ID: <3B03F8EF.57B9014B@videotron.ca>   "Paul B." wrote:* > TCPIP> SET NOROUTE /GATEWAY="oldgateway"0 > TCPIP> SET NOROUTE /GATEWAY="oldgateway" /PERM3 > TCPIP> SET ROUTE /GATEWAY="newgateway" /DEF /PERM . > TCPIP> SET ROUTE /GATEWAY="newdgateway" /DEF > 3 > I need to know if I have to restart TCPIP or not,   5 Have you tried stopping routing ? TCPIP> STOP ROUTING   then you change your parameters, and then you can restart it  TCPIP> START ROUTINGK (for the START ROUTING, read the help documentation because it is where you  choose ROUTED/GATED paradigm)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:19:19 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> C Subject: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news. 8 Message-ID: <mj47gt4271q5hd74lg02dfglh9955hl50t@4ax.com>  1 On Wed, 16 May 2001 11:10:48 GMT, Terry C Shannon  <shannon@world.std.com> wrote:   > K >And this just in from Europe... Compaq is heavily flogging its involvement I >in the Formula 1 races over here. That's the good news. Bad news is that  >the ads are PC-centric. > H >Also, I saw a CPQ billboard go by me at about 150 MPH as my flight fromG >Brussels landed at London Heathrow yesterday. At the end of the runway G >there's a banner saying NOW YOU CAN REALLY FLY: Inspiration Technology 
 >from Compaq.  > C >Good ad, but the location leaves a lot to be desired: after all, a 2 >passenger jet is going pretty fast when it lands.  A Well it was great to finally meet you at last in London yesterday B Terry. Excellent speech and overall the best DEC/Compaq event I've; attended for a long time but more of that in another post.    E On the subject of Compaq ads at airports I flew back from London City C airport last night and the London Underground train (well Docklands E Light Railway line to be precise) from Bank to Canning Town Station I C took was covered in Compaq Inspiration Technology ads saying "Which < system runs 98% of the worlds Stock exchanges", "... banks",E "...lotteries" etc... The answer being "Compaq". No mention at all of D operating systems and most people seeing these might assume they are" talking about PCs running Windows.  A Good to see such prominent ads - just a pity Compaq still find it C difficult to boast in public about their non Microsoft offerings by  name.     B >A good parable for Compaq marketing in general: nice ads, dubiousC >placement. Until Compaq realizes that placing PC-centric ads in IT E >publications that carry ENTERPRISE ads from Sun, IBM, HP, et al only I >reinforces the image of Compaq as a PC company, perceptions are unlikely  >to change.  >  >  >    -- Alan   ------------------------------  / Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:30:31 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> Subject: Re: Console docs URL 6 Message-ID: <200105170626.IAA02477@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  D since the days of OpenVMS 7.1 or 7.0 you can use the pipe command toE produce a good output to the screen (Yes for a type you need only the $ quealifier /PAGE to do so). Example:  ( 	PIPE DIR | TYPE/PAGE=SAVE=500 SYS$INPUT  E You will get an output through which you can powerful navigate, other  then the DIR/PAGE command.   Best regards Rudolf Wingert    ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2001 07:28:46 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.310887.killspam.0162 (Wayne Sewell)   Subject: Re: DFO on system disks. Message-ID: <3O1wWp47$aQJ@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  N In article <VA.00000397.4f630b40@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:   > E > On the downside, don't let the fact that this may be possible allow R > management persuade you that regular system disk backups are no longer necessary > - yes, I've seen that happen.   L Really?  I've been out of corporate life for a while (and don't miss it), soM I'm out of touch with the workings (or non-workings) of the management mind.  @ Some of these guys think the whole point of image backups is theO defragmentation aspect?  Sure, that's a great side effect, but hardly the whole ! reason for backups.  Interesting.    --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== K Hotel guy (after bed demolition):  That bed goes back to Henry the eighth!! O    Curly: That's nothin'!  We had a bed go back to Sears and Roebuck the fifth!    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:32:12 -0700 (PDT) $ From: nclews <nclews at csc dot com>  Subject: Re: DFO on system disks1 Message-ID: <746.989871442962@iw0.mailusenet.com>    In reply to:M http://www.etin.com/article/Article.jsp?messageID=17271486&folder=comp.os.vms   P >Perhaps a very basic question, but can DFO 2.5 be used to defrag system disks?   i I speak from the experience of what we'll call a 'generic' defragmenter. Most of the files on the system  i disk, execpt during upgrades and ECOs stay the same, with the exception of all the 'write' files such as  k OPCOM logs, accounting files, all the other little log files, but most of the 'important' stuff should not  ` move. If you upgrade VMS to a fragmented disk, then things won't improve! Once I have built and j patched an operating system disk, I'll back it up (which you should do anyway) before and after, and I'll j make two copies (I don't trust the long brown stuff, seen too much eaten by tape drives) and then restore 6 one of the new copies so I have a nice defragged disk.  i Generally the worst file is the errorlog.sys, so creating a new one quite often is nice, and purging out  f recreating logs keeps the volatile files reasonably tidy. Defragmenting them should not be necessary, d and those that are open for write, well can't be defragged. (OK I know some defraggers say they can 0 with open files but I wouldn't on a system disk)  ` If full defragmentation is your goal, the only sure-fire way is offline backup/image and restore You could consider  S > I know you cannot defrag the indexf.sys file while the system device is mounted,  N >but other than that, can you defrag a system disk while the system is booted?  k I used to boot up an alternate system disk, and after mounting a disk privately, run the defragger against  g it, no files open, no worries. Works OK, but time for time the backup/restore will probably be quicker.   j indexf.sys fragmentation can be avoided at the start by using good INIT qualifiers, or using a /NOINIT on f an image restore. in fact a lot of fragmentation can be controlled with proper use of rms file extent g attributes, per file, per volume or per system, and you paid for that when you bought your VMS license.   e and to answer your question, yes, but i'm not certain very much can actually be defragmented for the  k reasons I've mentioned. also, due to the nature of the files causing the fragmentation, it is probably not  _ an issue, unless for some strange reason you're constantly reading and rereading old log files!   V >Assuming you do regular defrags, if the answer is "yes," how might this impact systemS > performance on a VAX 64xx series box?  I suspect it is negative, but how much is   >the issue.   3 Performance of what? Negative with respect to what?   c Performance is a balancing act, and you must never approach it lightly. MONITOR gives you a lot of  b information which can guide you to how your file system is getting battered by the users, monitor a disk/item=queue will tell you where most of the disk delays are and the window turns category in  i monitor fcp may give you a vague clue to the level of fragmentation., but you'll need to observe figures uh when your users think the system is performing OK, and when it is performing 'badly', but that could be l overload, or even external factors if networks are involved.you'll also need some way of determining if the E overall load on the system is increasing, which is entirely possible.d  s there is no simple answer. the guide to performance management in the vms documentation set is good.                ] The 64xx is a slow machine by the latest and greatest VAX standards which can be obtained at iJ reasonable prices from s/h dealers, but also consider migrating to alpha.   _ It is perfectly possible that investment in new and lower maintenance systems giving increased  g performance without using your time and energy, and the increased productivity offered to the business e@ far outweigh hanging on to, maintaining and tuning up older kit.   My opinions!  C BTW, http://www.etin.com is quite useable following demise of deja!i   Regards, Nic Clews e nclews at csc dot come         ----I Posted via http://www.etin.com - the FREE public USENET portal on the Web F Complete SEARCHING, BROWSING, and POSTING of text and BINARY messages!   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 07:50:09 GMTA- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) + Subject: HG FILESERV - search by date added.1 Message-ID: <3b038125.237074505@news.process.com>n  D FYI, I've modified my FILESERV search engine to allow you to displayE all the packages released after a certain date.  It's not very usefulnG yet, as only a couple of packages have the necessary release date info, C but in the future, you'll be able to easily determine what packagesn& have been updated since whatever date.   http://www.process.com/openvms/n  D Follow the link "Search the VMS freeware FILESERV," or use this URL:  + http://vms.process.com/fileserv_search.html   " to go directly to the search page.  B Also, Mark Berryman has established another mirror of the FILESERVB freeware archives on MVB.SAIC.COM under [.PROCESS].  Thanks, Mark!   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:42:51 -0500 : From: "Scandora, Anthony \(35048\)" <scandora@cmt.anl.gov># Subject: Re: How to connect to RDB?-+ Message-ID: <9e0nvp$olb$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>5  I JCC hosts an Rdb mailing list, which would be a better place to post thisAK question.  Go to http://www.jcc.com/jccs_oracle_list_servers.htm for how tof subscribe, and then post there.w  1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541s scandora@cmt.anl.gov  : "Michael Austin" <miaustin@bellsouth.net> wrote in message' news:3B006E09.BCFAA45A@bellsouth.net... 	 > Robert,o >nE > It depends on what you want "connected" to Rdb... an application, ar website,K > and ODBC-enable application such as MSQuery/Excel, interactively... therer arecJ > alot of different methods dependent upon the technology you want to use. >-$ > What version of Rdb, OpenVMS etc.. >0 > see comments below as well.r >B > Robert Schmoelzer wrote: >a > > Hi everybody,s > >D@ > > I am trying to figure out the best, the worst, the usual, or: > > the most modern ways to connect to an RDB database ;-) > >t< > > Reading all kinds of .html and .pdf files on the stealth3 > > part of the Oracle (RDB) WebSite i came up with  > > the following: > >b' > > - i can use the RDB - ODBC drivers. 3 > >     This seems to be the "Oracle preferred" wayn > >l >dJ > Yes this works.. you need the Oracle ODBC Driver for Rdb (2.10.17 or theL > latest 3.0.2.1 for NT, 2K,98,95).  I would say "preferred" is a little tooF > strong of a phrase and it entirely depends on what you are trying to3 > accomplish and what platforms you want to target.  >r >e) > > - on RDB 7.1 i am able to use SQL*Nete9 > >     is it really compatible to SQL*Net on 8i, 9i,...?o > >  >h& > Yes.  Works just like 7.3, 8, 8i, 9i* > Again depends on what you want connected >h > >a; > > - there are some signs which indicate that it should beg@ > >     possible to use JDBC via the drivers for Classic Oracle.5 > >     Can anyone confirm this? Does anybody use it?- > >- >-L > There is a JDBC thick/fat client that currently works and looks like there% > will be thin client available soon.a >e > > A > > - i can use some third party software like Attunity Connectorm > >     (aka ISG Navigator)- > >- >-' > Yes, many companies use this "driver"0 >  > > K > > We want to use JDBC if possible, since most of our software developmentrF > > is based on JAVA now, and it would give us good flexibility on the client > > side# > > (can you say LINUX on Alpha ;-}  > >  > I > Yes I can say Linux on Alpha, however Rdb is OpenVMS only. can you also  saytK > very little "real" support... after all it is open source freeware... And" your" > want to bet your business on it? >  > >o0 > > any suggestions, comments, hints, flames,... >  > > Robert Schmoelzers# > > Telemed Communications Servicesl >TL > If you are in need of an Oracle Rdb DBA consultant, you can always contact me; > privately as I will be available at the end of next week.r >  > Michael Austin > Rdb DBA Consultant >-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:16:22 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: Re: Laser Power eventH Message-ID: <OFCD408116.848D85A4-ON80256A4F.0042D707@qedi.quintiles.com>  H I would have to side with Stu on this.  If you look at the panels on theG chassis of the AlphaServer 8400 and the VAX 7000 you'll see many (or ataG least some) marked LASER xxxxx.  This is echoed by the reputed internal$, names of the VAX 7000 and DEC 7000 systems :' VAX 7000 models 610 - 640    Laser/Neont* VAX 7000 models 710 - 740    Laser/Krypton' DEC 7000 models 610 - 640    Laser/Ruby   < (taken from Paul Hardy's VMS CPU model summary, 23-JUN-1995)  J On an AlphaServer 4100 you can do a SHOW POWER command to see recent powerG event(s).  I doubt that the function is included on the VAX or DEC 7000  series though.   Steve.   Stuart R. Fuller wrote:G >>>dD A "laser power event" is simply a message from the console subsystem advisingJ VMS of the power status while the system was down.  It's not necessarily aJ problem, however.  Many times, if you look at the error log entry, it justJ shows you the status of the power supplies (output voltage, current loads,- battery status [if you have batteries], etc.)s <<<l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:55:26 +0100t% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>s" Subject: Re: Memo:  Multimedia Doc8 Message-ID: <02i7gt8vqe0mo3g5k8fhhdll3o3hc8jh3k@4ax.com>  A On Mon, 14 May 2001 16:34:18 +0100, paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com wrote:L   >FolksG >Having made it to the promised land by acquiring a DPW500 with all thetL >useful bells and whistles, I am now exploring audio on VMS with interest. IJ >cannot find and doc either in, on or around the system nor on the net forJ >the MMOV app set. I managed to get the audio device working (by followingF >the release notes!) but can't go much further without some info. MainL >interest - can I play MP3 files? Any pointers to useful doc most gratefully
 >received.  E Possibly decsound (you should have it in sys$system) has been updatedlB to play MP3s. Haven't tried it myself. Also check out the freewareC stuff as I think there's some audio stuff in there. Haven't checkedPA current release yet. Several years ago I recall I had helper appsa@ setup to run decsound and a remote user (X protocol) running VMSF Mosaic must have tried to play a sound file. Unfortunately it came outE through my headphones sitting on the desk. This was late at night andeB I jumped a mile when a disembodied German voice suddenly came fromE nowhere! Haven't played with VMS audio for a long time so can't be ofGD much further help. Hoff I think is the expert in this area but he is0 out and about doing VMS presentations right now.  I >Also any pointers to the related 'hardware user guide' (as familiar withn7 >most other VMS systems I've had) would be really good.t >Many thanks >Paule >rK >PS Thanks to this ng for the pointers to IslandCo who restored my faith in  >vendor! >e >PBa >  >c >gE >********************************************************************-C > This message and any attachments are confidential to the ordinaryeC > user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may alsoI? > be privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy, 9 > forward, disclose or use any part of the message or itsCD > attachments and if you have received this message in error, pleaseC > notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it fromy > your system. >d> > Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure orB > error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost,? > arrive late or contain viruses. The sender therefore does note@ > accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context of@ > this message which arise as a result of Internet transmission. > E > Any opinions contained in this message are those of the author and g@ > are not given or endorsed by the HSBC Group company or office > > through which this message is sent unless otherwise clearly B > indicated in this message and the authority of the author to so 4 > bind the HSBC entity referred to is duly verified. >rE >********************************************************************a   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:31:46 +0800A+ From: Open VMS beginner <cavy@hongkong.com>1- Subject: Re: Methodology of Capacity planningo, Message-ID: <3B03FCF2.69C5961F@hongkong.com>  I Thanks Paul, I think I need to read more books Cos I still don't know why  theoI ex-adminstrator use the direct IO for the figure of IO planning.( And SCSr statistic for CI thruput)    cheer,	 Beginner.n     Paul Repacholi wrote:r  * > VMS beginner <cavy@hongkong.com> writes: >aF > > Thanks you all, I don't know what resource figures which I need toE > > project, especially in a cluster (e.g. locking).  For the CPU ands? > > Memory, I could plot the current utilization plus estimatediA > > growth. But I've got headache from IO projection. IO queue is B > > represented the status of the disk queue and disk I/O for diskH > > thruput. Are they enough for projection the IO? How about the DirectE > > IO? So I confuse with those figures and I cannot manipulate them.r >"- > This is where a good chunk of theory helps.t >lF > Example. If you machine is running at 99.9% CPU, and no IO, it wouldH > seem that you could add a lot of IO load 'for free' No! Every IO costsE > extra CPU and memory accesses, you will CPU limit very fast. UnlesstC > you understand this sort of stuff it can get very confusing, veryp > fast.i >iD > In you disk IO case, you do not have enough data. First, you don'tG > know how large an IO request is, so you do not know the bandwidth youmH > need. You also need to know where the limit is, and what it is.  Is it$ > the disk? the controller? the bus? > C > Much of the ral work is done not be analysis, but by developing ahG > model of the subsystem and testing. The model is set up to mimick thegE > measured behaviour of the system. It is then used to derive figures4H > for planning. But again, if you do not understand the basic, model can > bite you.e >p > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.PB >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.J > Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,$ >   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:08:37 +0100j2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> Subject: Re: Monitor Systemn. Message-ID: <3B039515.30384BE8@CCAgroup.co.uk>  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:L > On VAXen, IIRC, "dirty" pages are cleaned as they are reassigned - they'reG > only 512 bytes. On Alphas they are cleaned using unused CPU cycles asy# > they're a lot larger at 8k bytes.   H That conflicts with my understanding of the free list (that its contents5 can be recalled with a soft fault if they're needed).o( Or does it just apply to deleted pages ?E It would appear to have implications for those of us running SETI, ort0 similar: DZRO pages would take longer to create.> Anyone know the impact on an average system ? Ie, what sort ofC percentage of page creations use deleted pages, as opposed to pages @ which might otherwise have been reusable by the previous owner ?0 (I expect I can get a %'age of DZRO for myself).   Thanks
 Chris Sharman    ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2001 13:32:02 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>= Subject: Re: Monitor SystemtH Message-ID: <y4y9rwmcst.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  4 Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> writes:  J > That conflicts with my understanding of the free list (that its contents7 > can be recalled with a soft fault if they're needed). * > Or does it just apply to deleted pages ?  N AFAIK, the free list is inserted to at both ends. On one end go the pages thatN might be called back into a process's working set, on the other go those pagesL freed by $DELTVA et al. (e.g., during process rundown). On VAX, a DZERO pageL is taken from the latter and zeroed when it is actually being made ready forM use. On Alpha, the NULL process tries to keep a seperate list of zeroed pageseL populated if it can (I haven't seen any parameters controlling this) - cache polution and all that.   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:56:02 GMTr1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>v Subject: Re: Monitor Systema2 Message-ID: <3B03E673.849C5E02@clarityconnect.com>    SYSGEN>  HELP SYS_P ZERO_LIST_HI   Sys_Parameters     ZERO_LIST_HI  F        (Alpha only) ZERO_LIST_HI is the maximum number of pages zeroedD        and put on the zeroed page list. This list is used as a cacheG        of pages containing all zeros, which improves the performance ofn        allocating such pages.i  ;        ZERO_LIST_HI has the AUTOGEN and DYNAMIC attributes.      Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > 6 > Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> writes: > L > > That conflicts with my understanding of the free list (that its contents9 > > can be recalled with a soft fault if they're needed).n, > > Or does it just apply to deleted pages ? > P > AFAIK, the free list is inserted to at both ends. On one end go the pages thatP > might be called back into a process's working set, on the other go those pagesN > freed by $DELTVA et al. (e.g., during process rundown). On VAX, a DZERO pageN > is taken from the latter and zeroed when it is actually being made ready forO > use. On Alpha, the NULL process tries to keep a seperate list of zeroed pagesrN > populated if it can (I haven't seen any parameters controlling this) - cache > polution and all that. > 
 >         Jans   -- nD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:57:41 -0700t! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com  Subject: Re: Monitor SystemsD Message-ID: <OFCFA65551.2624F9A3-ON88256A4F.005CEB56@foundation.com>  J It doesn't conflict with your understanding, you can still pull back pagesH that haven't been wiped yet. I don't recall the details just now, but itK seems sensible to assume there's some limiting factor on how fast the pagest8 are cleared. Maybe some sort of "target free" parameter?  H I'd be interested if any memory management gurus out there could explain' the finer details to me. Online or off.    Shane             F Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> on 05/17/2001 01:08:37 AM  > Please respond to Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh cc:d   Subject:  Re: Monitor System    " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:D > On VAXen, IIRC, "dirty" pages are cleaned as they are reassigned - they'renG > only 512 bytes. On Alphas they are cleaned using unused CPU cycles ast# > they're a lot larger at 8k bytes.l  H That conflicts with my understanding of the free list (that its contents5 can be recalled with a soft fault if they're needed). ( Or does it just apply to deleted pages ?E It would appear to have implications for those of us running SETI, or 0 similar: DZRO pages would take longer to create.> Anyone know the impact on an average system ? Ie, what sort ofC percentage of page creations use deleted pages, as opposed to pagesr@ which might otherwise have been reusable by the previous owner ?0 (I expect I can get a %'age of DZRO for myself).   Thanks
 Chris Sharmann   ------------------------------    Date: 18 May 2001 00:56:48 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Monitor System.- Message-ID: <874rujlxrj.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   3 "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> writes:c  " > SYSGEN>  HELP SYS_P ZERO_LIST_HI   > Sys_Parameters   >   ZERO_LIST_HI  A >        (Alpha only) ZERO_LIST_HI is the maximum number of pagesWE >        zeroed and put on the zeroed page list. This list is used as-B >        a cache of pages containing all zeros, which improves the. >        performance of allocating such pages.  E A question. When an image exits and the pages are free, there will becB a bunch of RO pages, plus a lot of 'dead' pages, private, modifiedA pages that can never be used. Are they unconditionally zeroed and F placed on the zero list? And are unmodified DZRO pages returned to the zero list? Ok, that's two...   -- u< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov E   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:31:48 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 9 Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.9 how do I save email attachments. 8 Message-ID: <rcg7gtcc6pb85falakvs85qtoejqv2t19e@4ax.com>  C On Tue, 15 May 2001 10:01:30 GMT, Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>A wrote:   >Alan Greig wrote: >nC >> Maybe I'm missing something incredibly obvious but how do I save$I >> attachments in mail?. Supposedly you click on the paperclip icon but ItH >> don't see a paperclip icon on messages with attachments. Nor do I seeF >> the hexified version displayed. I know Mozilla downloads the entireI >> message (from time taken) but it doesn't seem to do anything with it..l >sJ >When you are viewing the message, there should be a paperclip icon in theC >top right of the message header area (the grey area where it showsdK >Subject, From, Date, and To). The icon has a number; this is the number ofaI >attachments. You click on the icon and you get a popup showing a list of I >attachment names. Each name is a rollover which has an "open" and "save"O >option. > J >Do you see the message header area? And there's nothing in the top right?  B That's correct. I have tried this talking to both our local ccMailD IMAP server and our MS Exchange IMAP server. Outlook clients talking= IMAP protocol to the same servers see the attachments. As thetA attachment is not displayed in encoded format either I assume the B Mozilla client must know it has some kind f attachment but doesn't give me any way to access it.c   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:17:45 GMTR' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>N9 Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.9 how do I save email attachments.t- Message-ID: <3B03DCF8.F3C2F334@theblakes.com>t  7 Was the message sent from Outlook? If so, this might bet1 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76323    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:51:31 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com, Subject: Re: Opera browserD Message-ID: <OF9B8799CE.FB917C4F-ON88256A4F.005C77EF@foundation.com>  I Sorry, Bill. Christof was the only one to reply when I offered to try andrD persuade them if there was enough interest. I'd forgotten about your9 earlier message. Still, a count of 3 isn't enough either.n   Shane           < Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> on 05/16/2001 07:05:24 PM  4 Please respond to Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comv cc:r   Subject:  Re: Opera browsern    6 On Wed, 16 May 2001 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:  K > Y'know, it's a pity only Christof and I were interested in trying to pushn< > Opera into a VMS port. They're popping up everywhere else: > = >      Opera follows up Linux version with IBM appliance dealu >n8 >      http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/18985.html >e  A Uhhh.  I think if you actually go back and check the old messagesn? you'll find that I was the first one to suggest that.  EveryoneuD else just came up with all the reasons why this would be a bad idea.   bill     --J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:05:20 -0400i0 From: paul.r.anderson@compaq.com (Paul Anderson) Subject: Re: Opera browserP Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-1705011305200001@dhcp-16-21-34-107.eng.lkg.dec.com>  D In article <OF9B8799CE.FB917C4F-ON88256A4F.005C77EF@foundation.com>," Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:  * > Still, a count of 3 isn't enough either.   Four.r  E I'd love to have a browser that actually works on my OpenVMS system. mG Netscape Navigator 3.03 barfs with too many pages.  Mozilla so far is an joke.0     Paul   -- 4
 Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering  Compaq Computer Corporation   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 18:45:02 +0100e; From: "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk>d Subject: Re: SORT command.. Message-ID: <9e12qb$b48$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>  ) Sorry that should have read /NODUPLICATE.   G Leigh G. Bowden wrote in message <9ds10u$bkl$2@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>... E >I tried to sort to text files which is the output from two differenti systemso >SYSUAF files in brief form. > C >On a third machine I did SORT/KEY=(POS:22,SIZE:4,DECIMAL,UNSIGNED)r7 >NODE1::SYSUAF.TXT, NODE2::SYSUAF.TXT SORTED_SYSUAF.TXTs ><I >This is a sort of rationalisation process of our operator ID's which are0G >four digit integers. Doing the above ended up with two ID's of 42, foraI >example, which were duplicates of one another in the output file. I also4L >tried to use the /DUPLICATE clause but then ended up with no operator ID 42L >in the output file which is not what I expected. What I had expected was toH >have a single entry for 42 (or two entries if the entry for 42 was even- >slightly different) but not no entry at all.o >n4 >All system are VAX running flavours of OpenVMS 6.2. >i >e >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:00:26 +0100o% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>lS Subject: Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information at www.oracle.como8 Message-ID: <1ul7gtcrbmkgj9h48rbgmt8bm8t5rffgrl@4ax.com>  2 On Wed, 16 May 2001 14:06:26 -0400, "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote:e  C >Can anyone else who has been down this road before please tell me;S >r1 >     Starting from www.oracle.com how do I find;rD >         1. The current version of Oracle Classic that runs on VMS?B >         2. What versions of Oracle Classic are supported on VMS?< >         3. The matrix of VMS versions vs. Oracle Versions?K >         4. Anything about OPS on VMS (I found a lot of information on OPSH& >on NT, but nothing about OPS on VMS!); >         5. Anything about RDB (I know I can jump right toeL >www.oracle.com/rdb, but how does someone get there who does not know that?)  B partner.oracle.com then click on "Learn about  platform technologyB partnerships" then you can enter "Digital Alpha OpenVMS" (or VAX).C All of the Oracle classic info you are looking for is there". Don'tsE worry about your search engine problem as these pages are not indexed* for some reason.    5 >Please Keep in mind that clicking on SEARCH gives meaK >"javascript:document.SearchForm.submit(); The page cannot be displayed" orlJ >"use_query_html.submit_query_input: PROCEDURE DOESN'T EXIST" depending on& >what page I hit the search button on. >o >rH >I know I have asked for this type of information before and I am alwaysI >given the answers to the questions I am looking for, but please; someonetG >teach me how I can find the information myself so I do not need to askcF >again. Everytime I need to find this information it is an exercise inJ >frustration trying to figure this stuff out. Questions sent via the "SendK >your Comments" go unanswered (actually, come to think of it - a question IiL >sent to a Compaq Webmaster through their "Contact Us" page has not yet been >answered after two days). >s >n >n >i >h >m   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2001 12:18:59 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)uS Subject: Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information at www.oracle.com 3 Message-ID: <AU2BssmpU$UL@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  ` In article <1ul7gtcrbmkgj9h48rbgmt8bm8t5rffgrl@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:4 > On Wed, 16 May 2001 14:06:26 -0400, "Peter Weaver"! > <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote:g > D >>Can anyone else who has been down this road before please tell me; >>2 >>     Starting from www.oracle.com how do I find;E >>         1. The current version of Oracle Classic that runs on VMS?hC >>         2. What versions of Oracle Classic are supported on VMS? = >>         3. The matrix of VMS versions vs. Oracle Versions? L >>         4. Anything about OPS on VMS (I found a lot of information on OPS' >>on NT, but nothing about OPS on VMS!)e< >>         5. Anything about RDB (I know I can jump right toM >>www.oracle.com/rdb, but how does someone get there who does not know that?)a >  > partner.oracle.com  B Oracle has chosen not to communicate with those who want security.  2 	"JavaScript Not enabled or not allowed by Proxy."   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:14:11 -0400i3 From: "Miguel A. Teixeira" <miguel@teixeiraweb.com>a Subject: Teamlinks and MAPI O Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0105171111220.10759-100000@girtrude.teixeiraweb.com>n   Hi everyone,0 We're using Teamlinks 4.5 and need MAPI support.E Whenever a MAPI call is initiated, we get the error: "The ordinal 140a3 cannot be found in dynamic link library MAPI32.DLL" 0 Anyone else come across, or have a fix for this?   Thanks in advance, Miguel  1 miguel@teixeiraweb.com or mteixeira@njtransit.coms   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:17:50 -0400d- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Teamlinks and MAPI + Message-ID: <3B03F9AC.F02E8A4@videotron.ca>    "Miguel A. Teixeira" wrote:n >  > Hi everyone,2 > We're using Teamlinks 4.5 and need MAPI support.G > Whenever a MAPI call is initiated, we get the error: "The ordinal 140m5 > cannot be found in dynamic link library MAPI32.DLL"u  G You might try Compaq's stealth support group for ALL-IN-1/Teamlinks at: Q http://forum.compaq.com:80/mb8/user/main.html?parent_topic=Mail_Messaging-OpenVMS-  L (Haven't been there in a while so URL may have changed. They do respond, but it takes a while.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:35:36 -0400e3 From: "Miguel A. Teixeira" <miguel@teixeiraweb.com>c Subject: Re: Teamlinks and MAPItO Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0105171335080.11101-100000@girtrude.teixeiraweb.com>0  0 I already posted a question there, but thanks :)  $ On Thu, 17 May 2001, JF Mezei wrote:   > "Miguel A. Teixeira" wrote:u > >u > > Hi everyone,4 > > We're using Teamlinks 4.5 and need MAPI support.I > > Whenever a MAPI call is initiated, we get the error: "The ordinal 140 7 > > cannot be found in dynamic link library MAPI32.DLL"  > I > You might try Compaq's stealth support group for ALL-IN-1/Teamlinks at:sS > http://forum.compaq.com:80/mb8/user/main.html?parent_topic=Mail_Messaging-OpenVMS  >jN > (Haven't been there in a while so URL may have changed. They do respond, but > it takes a while.  >i   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2001 08:56:37 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants3 Message-ID: <YB0jXkewPZHc@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  a In article <9dud6a$arv@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:- >> > K > I'll second that.  Seems more like more Andrew FUD.  A lot of what you donG > with "file system expansion" on Unix you do on VMS with logicals.  Ife > you've already got m >   A What you can't do with this or bound volume sets, you can do withrH quotas.  File system expansion allows one to keep some unused disk spaceE and grow an existing partition and file system into that unused spaceaH when it runs out of space.  Setting quotas so the total useable space isE smaller than the disk provides the same capability, the user can then  use more space.l  H But I just never saw the purpose of denying the users access to the diskH space after it had been purchased.  What happens after you grow the UNIXF file system or turn up the quota and the user runs out of space again,B but there is no more physical space?  Might as well deal with that question as the former.f  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GrouplE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:19:10 GMTa From: x@thevoter.co.uk Subject: The Voter  4024- Message-ID: <OsOM6.22924$9C6.2946@NewsReader>o   www.thevoter.co.uk# qxknkcddlptvoofwtftzicvvwmrjbyptxlbe   ------------------------------    Date: 18 May 2001 00:46:59 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>0 Subject: Vax 4000-700 boot syntax for shadow set- Message-ID: <878zjvly7w.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   C I scored a 4000-700A the other day. Problem is, what is the correctcE way to enter two DIA drives to boot a shadow set?  I tried DIA1,DIA0, : but it failed as DIA1 was still doing a full copy from theA 4400. Anyone know the trick for this? Being unable to boot if thetE first dev is US seems to defeat the idea of a shadow set pretty well!c   TNXa -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.X@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:27:41 GMTa8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)4 Subject: Re: Vax 4000-700 boot syntax for shadow set2 Message-ID: <hSTM6.439$fi2.11032@news.cpqcorp.net>  \ In article <878zjvly7w.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: >aD >I scored a 4000-700A the other day. Problem is, what is the correctF >way to enter two DIA drives to boot a shadow set?  I tried DIA1,DIA0,; >but it failed as DIA1 was still doing a full copy from theuB >4400. Anyone know the trick for this? Being unable to boot if theF >first dev is US seems to defeat the idea of a shadow set pretty well!  0 First you must have a VOLSHAD license installed.  - Next you must have the system parameters set:r  %     SHADOW_SYS_DISK must be set to 1.y=     SHADOW_SYS_UNIT must be set to the unit that will be useda;         for the system disk shadow set.  In a cluster, thisa&         must be the same on ALL nodes.  > Then you boot by using the PHYSICAL device (just one of them).9 The boot process creates (or just mounts) the shadow set.   A More information can be found in the Volume Shadowing for OpenVMS + manual -- AA-PVXMD-TE (or a later version).s   -- rK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAuH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:42:55 -0400p7 From: "Broerman, Jason M." <JMBroerman@MarathonOil.com>  Subject: VAX AcronymL Message-ID: <72B7FB6FB4C3A040BF94CE49CBB356312C48B3@FDYEXC202.mgroupnet.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DEDF.A86D23EBs Content-Type: text/plain;t 	charset="iso-8859-1"b+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablee  H Does anyone know what the VAX acronym stands for?  (Virtual Architecture Extensible)???  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DEDF.A86D23EBa Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1":+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable@  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">c <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =e charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 6.0.4688.0"> <TITLE>VAX Acronym</TITLE> </HEAD>. <BODY>' <!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->   H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Does anyone know what the VAX acronym == stands for?&nbsp; (Virtual Architecture Extensible)???</FONT>r </P>   </BODY>l </HTML>u) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DEDF.A86D23EB--,   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2001 11:05:28 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a Subject: Re: VAX Acronym3 Message-ID: <33Et7Qszn29h@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <72B7FB6FB4C3A040BF94CE49CBB356312C48B3@FDYEXC202.mgroupnet.com>, "Broerman, Jason M." <JMBroerman@MarathonOil.com> writes:. > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  1 Please post no MIME and no HTML to the newsgroup.T  A After wading through all the crap, I think I found your question:   3 > Does anyone know what the VAX acronym stands for?-   Yes.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationm= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group>E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingA   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:32:32 -0400l  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com Subject: Re: VAX Acronym4 Message-ID: <C2256A4F.005479A6.00@jklh21.valmet.com>   Me!  Me!  I know!   D From the VAX Architecture Handbook, Copyright 1981 Digital Equipment Corporation. All Rights Reserved:  O "The letters VAX suggest the premier feature of VAX computers - Virtual Address  eXtention."           4 JMBroerman@marathonoil.com on 05/17/2001 10:42:55 AM  , Please respond to JMBroerman@marathonoil.com   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comt cc:m Subject:  VAX Acronymo        H Does anyone know what the VAX acronym stands for?  (Virtual Architecture Extensible)???   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:38:12 -0500o+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>h Subject: RE: VAX AcronymL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1E6E@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>  % Virtual Address Extension, I believe.n   Regards,   ChrisP  ! Christopher Smith, Perl DeveloperP Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");r 'a    -----Original Message-----< From: Broerman, Jason M. [mailto:JMBroerman@MarathonOil.com]$ Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:43 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: VAX Acronym    H Does anyone know what the VAX acronym stands for?  (Virtual Architecture Extensible)??? e   ------------------------------    Date: 18 May 2001 00:42:49 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: VAX Acronym- Message-ID: <87d798kjue.fsf@prep.synonet.com>-  / koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:0   > In articleC > <72B7FB6FB4C3A040BF94CE49CBB356312C48B3@FDYEXC202.mgroupnet.com>,g; > "Broerman, Jason M." <JMBroerman@MarathonOil.com> writes:>  3 > Please post no MIME and no HTML to the newsgroup.n > C > After wading through all the crap, I think I found your question:o > 5 > > Does anyone know what the VAX acronym stands for?n >  > Yes.  " But no one has got it right yet...  $ Hint, what was the first vax called?   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 18:13:33 +0100.8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> Subject: RE: VAX AcronymN Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240010BEF68@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  8 VAX used to mean Variety And eXcitement for many people.   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:35:59 GMT- From: danco@pebble.org ()  Subject: Re: VAX Acronym- Message-ID: <slrn9g82vv.ijf.danco@pebble.org>A  L On 18 May 2001 00:42:49 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:  $ > ....what was the first vax called?   The first VAX was "Star?"7 And VMS was "Starlet?"   - Dann   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:52:17 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>s  Subject: Re: VMS 5.5-2h4 and y2k2 Message-ID: <3B03E592.737FEBA1@clarityconnect.com>   Yes they do.   Eric Ebinger wrote:e > K > The real question is: After upgrading from VMS 5.5-2 with the Y2k patcheso< > to VMS 5.5-2h4 do the Y2k patches need to be re-installed? >  > Eric Ebinger > ----- Original Message -----$ > From: <norm.raphael@jamesbury.com> > To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>D% > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 1:09 PM " > Subject: Re: VMS 5.5-2h4 and y2k >  > >  > > 5 > > IIRC, the y2k patches are for any 5.5-2* variant..@ > > the h4 is a hardware-specific subversion and the y2k patches+ > > should be hardware-variant-independent.b2 > > This is not, however, an authoritative answer. > >2 > >: > >I > >N0 > > coconut@netway.com on 05/15/2001 12:34:59 PM > >S( > > Please respond to coconut@netway.com > >i > > To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comh > > cc: ! > > Subject:  VMS 5.5-2h4 and y2kv > >e > >w > >w > >sK > > First, much thanks to the kindness of list members in providing me withl	 > the vms 7 > > 5.5-2h4 upgrade.  It appears very simple to handle.h > >pN > > Does anyone know of y2k fixes for the h4 upgrade, or will the ones applied > for  > > 5.5-2 be sufficient? > >  > > Dan Graham > >e > >y > >4 > >  > >  > >h > >i   -- )D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:10:43 +0100a% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>8 Subject: Re: VMS 7.3 kit8 Message-ID: <lcj7gts9ttr3ald7vllgevdafjcg23bdnr@4ax.com>  1 On Mon, 14 May 2001 17:13:25 +0100, Tim Llewellyno  <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:   >t >Hie > 6 >Got my 7.3 kit today. Nice OpenVMS CDrom holder case. > ; >However, no VMS VAX 7.3 CD or installation manual, athoughM& >the manual says they should be there. >aH >Should I just feel lucky I got the Alpha version, or victimised becauseB >I havn't got the VAX kit? Could be a support contract weirdness I	 >suppose.a  F Well I've received OpenVMS Advanced Server (Pathworks) 7.3 but not theD VMS kit. Think I'll take a walk down to stores in case its got stuck
 somewhere.     >h >regards   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 06:13:57 GMTo From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc' Message-ID: <3B036C25.DA46E6A9@home.nl>    "Paul A. Jacobi" wrote:a  8 > <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageH > news:OF3EB20513.95C34339-ON03256A4E.00644C03@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...
 > > People > >;D > > I would like to install USB devices or Firewire IEEE-1394  in my  > >  Alpha 1000 running OpenVMS. > M > USB support for OpenVMS is in progress.  It is expected to become availableiM > along with a future generation of "legacy-free" Alpha systems.  We probablyn@ > will not support older systems, but that is subject to change.  O Just curious. Why is that ? It can't be so difficult to support a PCI USB boardtH I suppose ? That way older systems can use those USB products too. I canP understand that console devices like keyboards and mice could be a bit difficultP for olders systems. However as soon VMS is running, it should be possible to use any applicable USB product ?       >e >fL > USB device support will be limited to Compaq qualified products.  However,N > we hope to fully document the USB driver interface and provide sample source > code, so thatl@ > 3rd parties can provide OpenVMS drivers for other USB devices. >oN > There are currently no plans to support IEEE-1394 on OpenVMS.  We do hope toG > eventually support USB 2.0, which is actually faster than the currentgM > generation of IEEE-1394.  Plans are subject to change depending upon marketp& > acceptance of USB 2.0 and IEEE-1394.  K I just read a story that the all mighty M$ (their name shall be praised) isa0 going for IEEE-1394 instead of USB 2.0. Oops....       >  >r > Paul A. Jacobi > Compaq Computer Corporation # > OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14  > 110 Spitbrook Road > Nashua, NH 03062-2698h > Email: Paul.Jacobi@compaq.coml   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:25:47 +0100o2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk>N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc. Message-ID: <3B03991B.4C893201@CCAgroup.co.uk>   John Vottero wrote:  >  > "Simon Clubley" wrote:N > > On a related matter, does anyone want to comment on the most unusual pieceJ > > of hardware (either on the bus or via an external interface) that they@ > > have ever seen connected to and controlled by a VMS system ? > >t > K > I once did some work for a vending machine company getting VMS to talk to1N > their money counters.  The machines would count and sort the coins and bills$ > and then report the totals to VMS.  B We built a device a number of years ago for a Heidelberg hot metalG typesetting machine to connect it to a VMS print queue. It consisted ofsE a lot of solenoids sat over the keyboard, and was known as a "dalek",eA which the first prototype loosely resembled. They worked well for-D several years, and were very cost-effective. The main difficulty was obtaining fonts.  H I once called VMS support over a problem I had with the symbiont, and of= course the first question was "What type of printer is it ?".   E The other excitement was, should the software allow a line of text tolF overflow, the machine operator would come and curse us programmers for spraying him with hot lead.D  " Modern laser printers are so dull.  
 Chris Sharmanr   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:56:26 GMTa From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc' Message-ID: <3B03AE59.AE528E32@home.nl>-   Great story !!!a  O I used to work for a newspaper, but when I started (> 20 yrs. ago) they alreadybF had replaced the lead process by a simple form of typesetting on film.O It must have been quite an undertaking to get all of the characteristics of the ! fonts in the typesetting program.M  ) Do you have any pictures of this beast ?.e   Regards,   Dirk   Chris Sharman wrote:   > John Vottero wrote:n > >d > > "Simon Clubley" wrote:P > > > On a related matter, does anyone want to comment on the most unusual pieceL > > > of hardware (either on the bus or via an external interface) that theyB > > > have ever seen connected to and controlled by a VMS system ? > > >u > >aM > > I once did some work for a vending machine company getting VMS to talk toiP > > their money counters.  The machines would count and sort the coins and bills& > > and then report the totals to VMS. >2D > We built a device a number of years ago for a Heidelberg hot metalI > typesetting machine to connect it to a VMS print queue. It consisted ofeG > a lot of solenoids sat over the keyboard, and was known as a "dalek",hC > which the first prototype loosely resembled. They worked well for F > several years, and were very cost-effective. The main difficulty was > obtaining fonts. >eJ > I once called VMS support over a problem I had with the symbiont, and of? > course the first question was "What type of printer is it ?".a >oG > The other excitement was, should the software allow a line of text tokH > overflow, the machine operator would come and curse us programmers for > spraying him with hot lead.. >e$ > Modern laser printers are so dull. >s > Chris Sharmane   ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2001 07:50:25 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.310887.killspam.0162 (Wayne Sewell)cN Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc. Message-ID: <M7x$7uQBxLwC@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  { In article <C6zM6.4299$6j3.375798@www.newsranger.com>, Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> writes:f > L > On a related matter, does anyone want to comment on the most unusual pieceH > of hardware (either on the bus or via an external interface) that they> > have ever seen connected to and controlled by a VMS system ? >   L I think you should adjust your question to ask what kind of unusual hardwareO has been connected to *unclassified* systems.  All kinds of exotic, custom-madeTM stuff has been connected to classified systems, but nobody can talk about it,cM unless they wish to be a guest of the government at a federal penitentiary.    :-)      -- 0O ===============================================================================-M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)IO ===============================================================================oK Hotel guy (after bed demolition):  That bed goes back to Henry the eighth!!dO    Curly: That's nothin'!  We had a bed go back to Sears and Roebuck the fifth!    ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2001 09:08:41 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc3 Message-ID: <uXZqmqz4sYNv@eisner.encompasserve.org>v  { In article <C6zM6.4299$6j3.375798@www.newsranger.com>, Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> writes:0 > L > On a related matter, does anyone want to comment on the most unusual pieceH > of hardware (either on the bus or via an external interface) that they> > have ever seen connected to and controlled by a VMS system ? >   @ In my business we've had all kind of wierd and wonderfull thingsD hanging off of perfectly ordinary looking VAXen (and Alpha and PDP).B And we've had some really odd configurations of ordinary hardware.  G But if you'll allow long networks and RF interfaces we used to have thetH Hubble Space Telescope hanging off some VAXen, and another site probably still does.e  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyings   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:32:36 GMTyF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc2 Message-ID: <8iRM6.426$fi2.11047@news.cpqcorp.net>  : I've never worked with any REALLY strange things connected8 to VMS systems (at least, nothing I'd consider strange).  ; The most unusual item I've ever seen hooked up to a PDP-11,y7 in the sense of having the fewest companies use it, wase6 a telegraph interface.  Not teletype, telegraph (as in6 morse code).  It was, I believe, developed for us; but7 was available for general purchase.  I don't think manyX+ were ever built (I only know of two units).4  5 [Some of you may have seen a satirical film about thet5 Useless Products Group.  The person who made the film_7 didn't know that the telegraph key scanner had actually"2 been a real product until I gave him a copy of the
 manual...]   -- n(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have aP5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.T   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:48:33 -04001- From: John Reagan <reagan@hiyall.zko.dec.com>aN Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc2 Message-ID: <3B03BA91.4AADC578@hiyall.zko.dec.com>   Simon Clubley wrote: > L > On a related matter, does anyone want to comment on the most unusual pieceH > of hardware (either on the bus or via an external interface) that they> > have ever seen connected to and controlled by a VMS system ? >   E The "controlled by" is the interesting part.  Many of the things I've E seen mentioned so far are probably just monitored by a OpenVMS systeme rather than controlled.7  E In that vein, in a former life back in 1981-1983, I worked at the OakaH Ridge National Laboratory (a former co-worker Dave Greenwood is still atD ORNL and reads this forum).  We had some CAMAC interfaces on 2 VAXenA (they were unibus-based controllers) that monitored fusion energyiE research devices.  It was mostly monitor and not control.  However, a D few of the experiments were actually controlled from the VAX in thatC they downloaded data to CAMAC devices that actually then controlledAH things during the plasma shot.  However, no real-time control was done. G I would guess that both experiments have long since been dismantled and- recycled (or buried).a  @ Almost all of the real control was done via PLCs.  We did have aC PDP-11/10 running RSTS V1.something that took multi-phase AC input,1, followed the phases, turned SCRs on and off,F etc. to produce a very high current DC power source.  It wasn't a VAX, but it sure was cool.:   -- e John Reagans Compaq Pascal Project Leader   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:00:57 -0400o5 From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc/ Message-ID: <3B03F5B9.236C43F8@compaq.com.doom>c  L     The problem is not doing the driver work it is qualifying and supporting' J-random PCI USB card.  First there are8N two competing controller models OHCI and UHCI we have drivers for OHCI but not UHIC.  Beyond that thereR are many OHCI controllers out there each with their own cute and ugly bugs.  We do not have the resources to test. and qualify each and every one of these cards.  L     Having said that we have done most of the USB development using a couple$ different add in PCI cards and afterK in some cases spending many weeks working around bugs in the cards got themi  working.  So if someone wants toP add in an OHCI compliant card and use the code there is nothing preventing that.  But they will get no support forM Compaq.  At the present time we cannot commit to a date when the code will bea$ available it won't be released until% the legacy free systems are shipping.      Forrest Kenney OpenVMS USB project leader   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:34:34 +01000% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>9N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc8 Message-ID: <v1n7gtcc50v96n04dkfft5s3i4odj3cngf@4ax.com>  E On 17 May 2001 07:50:25 CDT, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.310887.killspam.0162i (Wayne Sewell) wrote:n  | >In article <C6zM6.4299$6j3.375798@www.newsranger.com>, Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> writes: >> eM >> On a related matter, does anyone want to comment on the most unusual piececI >> of hardware (either on the bus or via an external interface) that they ? >> have ever seen connected to and controlled by a VMS system ?o >> r >lM >I think you should adjust your question to ask what kind of unusual hardwarecP >has been connected to *unclassified* systems.  All kinds of exotic, custom-madeN >stuff has been connected to classified systems, but nobody can talk about it,N >unless they wish to be a guest of the government at a federal penitentiary.   >:-)  = There was a 100Mbit/sec network linking VAXes around a UK MODtB installation in the 1980s. I know that bit is no longer classifiedB (was published in a UK Defence Technology Enterprises  publicationB some time ago). One function of the DTE was to transfer classifiedE technology to UK companies for commercial gain once it was safe to do-C so. Or indeed MOD developed technology which had no need to be keptmC secret. Classic example I was once involved in looking at was a VMS87 version of WordStar written within the MOD in Coral !!!0  A Pity about what Wayne says above because I would love to tell youe about the <BANG>..kjghg[jh #    :=)   a   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 18 May 2001 00:35:51 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc- Message-ID: <87lmnwkk60.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  7 Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> writes:   E >     Having said that we have done most of the USB development using4F > a couple different add in PCI cards and after in some cases spendingF > many weeks working around bugs in the cards got them working.  So ifA > someone wants to add in an OHCI compliant card and use the codeuE > there is nothing preventing that.  But they will get no support foreB > Compaq.  At the present time we cannot commit to a date when theC > code will be available it won't be released until the legacy freee > systems are shipping.w  G Odd, that USB was designed into the MB of some earlier systems. Nonamesc for example.  B But the question I have is "WHY??" What the hell would anyone saneE want USB for? Fire wire I can see being usefull, especially if it cannA run at the full speed. More and more vidio and audio stuff had ite	 built in.m  + But USB? An answer out to cause problems....   -- p< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:46:46 -0700l! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com-N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia DocD Message-ID: <OF37ADB875.B6718A0A-ON88256A4F.005ED32F@foundation.com>  H It's all Intel's fault. They didn't put enough interrupts (IRQ's) in theK x86 design, so they had to come up with a way of bolting on a whole load of K devices on one IRQ. USB was a rather poor design for doing that. Of course,CG being an Intel design, Microsoft got behind it and the rest is history..  K It does have one use. Mice. The sampling rate is much higher than on a PS/2 F mouse. Combined with a high dot pitch (like, er, my 2000dpi Razer), itD gives really fast, accurate control. Did I mention I play Quake? :-)   Shanee          E Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>@k9.healthnet.com on 05/17/2001. 09:35:51 AMg  8 Please respond to Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>   Sent by:  prep@k9.healthnet.comm     To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc cc::  K Subject:  Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia 	       DocA    7 Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> writes:a  E >     Having said that we have done most of the USB development using0F > a couple different add in PCI cards and after in some cases spendingF > many weeks working around bugs in the cards got them working.  So ifA > someone wants to add in an OHCI compliant card and use the code E > there is nothing preventing that.  But they will get no support foroB > Compaq.  At the present time we cannot commit to a date when theC > code will be available it won't be released until the legacy freea > systems are shipping.u  G Odd, that USB was designed into the MB of some earlier systems. Nonamest for example.  B But the question I have is "WHY??" What the hell would anyone saneE want USB for? Fire wire I can see being usefull, especially if it canrA run at the full speed. More and more vidio and audio stuff had it 	 built in.f  + But USB? An answer out to cause problems...q   --< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.a@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,"   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:45:05 -0400m- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> % Subject: What is "legacy free system"t, Message-ID: <3B040E1A.6E927C28@videotron.ca>  L I have heard some Compaq employees type "legacy free systems" in response to* the questrties about USB/Firewire support.  1 What exactly do they mean "legacy free systems" ?   L OK, it is a given that I can't expect USB or Firewire on my all mighty Q-BUSL Microvax II. But are there PCI based Alphas that are considered "legacy" and, others not legacy ? What is the difference ?   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:49:39 -0700 (PDT)2$ From: nclews <nclews at csc dot com> Subject: Re: Re: What is RWCLUS:1 Message-ID: <594.989871563295@iw1.mailusenet.com>e   In reply to:M http://www.etin.com/article/Article.jsp?messageID=17254359&folder=comp.os.vmst  K >But I have not remove any member from the cluster when the process is fallt >in this state?d  f I'm fairly certain that RWCLUS is a state attained when lock remastering is taking place. If the lock h manager decides for reasons of locking activity or sysgen settings that a lock tree must be migrated to _ another node in the cluster then the process goes into this state while the lock tree is moved.   d here's a box of matches for you. there is a SYSGEN parameter PE1 which you should not touch, and if M you break your system it's not my fault cos I said this was a box of matches.e  e PE1 is a dynamic parameter and when 0 remastering 'happens' normally. if set to 'n', then 'n' is the I` maximum size of the lock tree that can move. set it to 1 (or -1) and no remastering will happen.  \ if you want to try it, your risk, MCR SYSGEN, USE ACTIVE, SET PE1 1, WRITE ACTIVE, EXIT and L observe. To reverse it SET PE1 to whatever it was (A SHOW PE1 will tell you)  _ I cannot really recommend this as there must be some underlying reason for what you're seeing, hj consider this experimentation. I think i mentioed before you ought to have your lockdirwt at it's default D value in sysgen, but it may be application design causing the issue.  g one other possible cause is maybe a flaky interconnect, if a VC fails then this also signals a cluster bg transition, the vc may recover before recnxinterval, and you would not see the node leaving, but maybe r9 you'd getting some cnxman messages logged to the console.t  l before i ever did any of this sort of stuff on a live system, i'd always discuss the full implications with m those with service delivery responsibility, and i'd justify myself, so see that as a word of caution of what c i'm suggesting here.  f (speaking to mr. lock manager in London it would appear that a lock manager internals book would be a 4 good thing, if he gets time off coding to write it!)  ( regards, nic clews csc computer sciences nclews at csc dot co ----I Posted via http://www.etin.com - the FREE public USENET portal on the Web F Complete SEARCHING, BROWSING, and POSTING of text and BINARY messages!   ------------------------------    Date: 18 May 2001 00:39:56 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>6 Subject: Re: [DCPS] Duplex Problem with HP Laserjet 5M- Message-ID: <87heykkjz7.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ( dsf@frontiernet.net (Dan Foster) writes:  E > I'd suggest going the add-printer-memory route. Those can be prettyeD > cheap.  I bought a 64 MB DIMM for my LaserJet 4050se for something< > like $100, to give you an idea :) (built-in onboard? 8 MB)  / > By the way - where I got it from was Kingston"F > (www.kingston.com). The U.S.  pricing is $40 for a 16 MB LaserJet 5M5 > memory module; don't know what the European pricingn; > is. http://www.kingston.com/europe/wheretobuy/default.aspe  C Memory prices are matching the $AU :(, so that is a fair answer.  I-F think it was Kingston who halved ALL their non-PC memory prices a week* or so ago. Crucial should have it as well.   -- u< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov w   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2001 19:45:59 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER), Subject: [PATHWORKS-32] What is the future ?* Message-ID: <3b040e57$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  I I recently heard of the end of PATHWORKS-32 (you know, the DECnet and LATuD stack for Win32 clients, plus a Terminal Emulator PowerTerm525, plus a X11 server eXcursion).  E As the TerminalEmulator and the previously sold as standalone product F eXcursion got included to PATHWORKS-32 just to keep the product of anyF or broader use (after Windows got a useable IP stack not so long ago)," this is of no real surprise to me.  I BUT: I always found the PowerTerm and eXcursion good (enough) and cheaperoG as products from the competion (like eXceed, PCXware, Reflection-X, ...=C or SmartTerm, KEAterm, Reflection, ...) so I don't like the idea ofoF paying more money (to the competition) in the future, only because DEQ decides this way.s   What I'd like to see is:  0 1a) eXcursion sold as a standalone product again 1b) eXcursion for free  * 2a) PowerTerm sold as a standalone product 2b) PowerTerm for freeL 2c) a good/supported JAVA based terminal emulator included in VMS (via CSWS)   Any comments ?   -- u< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888e< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.272 ************************ to and controlled by a VMS system ? >   @ In my business we've had all kind of wierd and wonderfull thingsD hanging off of perfectly ordinary looking VAXen (and Alpha and PDP).B And we've had some really odd configurations of ordinary hardware.  G But if you'll allow long networks and RF interfaces we used to have thetH Hubble Space Telescope hanging off some VAXen, and another site probably still does.e  F --------------------------------------------ƌ0ڀsOϔ?4q<WgH=7e|6blo*|@}{h3{z+tي,0
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