1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 18 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 273       Contents: 7.3 kits
 Backup to CD? P Batch job on WAIT statement dies with %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normal successful completP Re: Batch job on WAIT statement dies with %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normal successful comP Re: Batch job on WAIT statement dies with %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normal successful comP Re: Batch job on WAIT statement dies with %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normal successful comP Re: Batch job on WAIT statement dies with %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normal successful com" Compaq Analyze, WEBES, DSN  Issues Free Alphaserver to use... Re: Free Alphaserver to use... ftp program in OpenVMS Re: ftp program in OpenVMS Jamie's Online Business Card# Re: Looking for RZ28-VA or RZ29-VAs  Re: Opera browser  Re: Opera browser  Re: Opera browser  Re: Opera browser  Re: Opera browser  RE: Opera browser  Re: Opera browser  Re: Opera browser  RE: Opera browser  Re: Opera browser  Re: Opera browser  Re: Opera browser  Re: Opera browser ; Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information at J Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information at www.oracle.comP Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information at www.oracle.com www.oP Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information atwww.oracle.com atwww.P Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS informationatwww.oracle.com atwww.o/ Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants + Re: Vax 4000-700 boot syntax for shadow set  Re: VAX Acronym  Re: VAX Acronym  Re: VAX Acronym E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc   Re: What is "legacy free system"  Re: What is "legacy free system"  Re: What is "legacy free system"  Re: What is "legacy free system"  Re: What is "legacy free system"  Re: What is "legacy free system"  Re: What is "legacy free system"  Re: What is "legacy free system"  Re: What is "legacy free system"  Re: What is "legacy free system"  Re: What is "legacy free system"  Re: What is "legacy free system"  Re: What is "legacy free system"  Re: What is "legacy free system"  Re: What is "legacy free system"  Re: What is "legacy free system" Where I can get  Dec Migrate ?" Re: Where I can get  Dec Migrate ?" Re: Where I can get  Dec Migrate ?3 [DCPS] Page accounting for color laser PS printers? ' Re: [PATHWORKS-32] What is the future ? ' Re: [PATHWORKS-32] What is the future ? ' Re: [PATHWORKS-32] What is the future ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:30:27 -0400 " From: "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> Subject: 7.3 kits O Message-ID: <E859ECA1A87CF773.D92EAB11BBAC82D0.6DA67DCFC72CBDCD@lp.airnews.net>   H     I've heard of 7.3 kits in Europe.. are they arriving in US yet?  I'mH still looking for a spare doc set (printed) if someone wants interesting trades... (small Alpha?)   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:49:40 -0800 (PST) + From: Ingemar Olson <IOLSON@dairyworld.com>  Subject: Backup to CD?/ Message-ID: <01K3O69KQGMS8ZLAQR@dairyworld.com>    I've been wondering about this. = Is it possible to do a VMS backup to CD(-RW) instead of tape?   : Is it supported? Is anyone doing it? Thinking of doing it?( What are the advantages / disadvantages?  G We don't have an RW drive, but if this is possible, maybe we'd get one.   
 Ingemar Olson    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:20:05 -0400   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.comY Subject: Batch job on WAIT statement dies with %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normal successful complet 4 Message-ID: <C2256A4F.00744AC3.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  > I just had a batch job end "normally" on "$WAIT 00:05:00" with. %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completionK in accounting entry.  The log file shows it was closed (modified) less than K a minute into the job, and the create and modify times on it are inside the K Start time and Finish time in the accounting entry by a few hundredths of a 
       second. J In short, it looks like the WAIT-statement was taken as an EXIT-statement.  6 This is OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 on AS1200/533 in cluster.  N Neither I nor support knows where to start on this one.  Any insights welcome.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:28:32 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> Y Subject: Re: Batch job on WAIT statement dies with %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normal successful com , Message-ID: <3B04427C.E825A1CE@videotron.ca>  ! norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote: M > in accounting entry.  The log file shows it was closed (modified) less than M > a minute into the job, and the create and modify times on it are inside the M > Start time and Finish time in the accounting entry by a few hundredths of a  >       second. L > In short, it looks like the WAIT-statement was taken as an EXIT-statement.  M Is it possible your system clock was adjusted forwards by a few minutes while # the job was in the WAIT statement ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:30:43 GMT ) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton) Y Subject: Re: Batch job on WAIT statement dies with %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normal successful com 2 Message-ID: <3b046cbe.1312012113@news.wcc.govt.nz>   Definately an interesting one.  D You don't run DECamds and someone "fixed" the process by killing the image?F I've not tried this but it might terminate the Wait image, the command procedure would then continue.  3 What else does the com procedure do after the wait?    Just guessing.....   Rob.    E On Thu, 17 May 2001 17:20:05 -0400, norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:    >  >  >  > ? >I just had a batch job end "normally" on "$WAIT 00:05:00" with / >%SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion L >in accounting entry.  The log file shows it was closed (modified) less thanL >a minute into the job, and the create and modify times on it are inside theL >Start time and Finish time in the accounting entry by a few hundredths of a >      second.K >In short, it looks like the WAIT-statement was taken as an EXIT-statement.  > 7 >This is OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 on AS1200/533 in cluster.  > O >Neither I nor support knows where to start on this one.  Any insights welcome.  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:26:05 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> Y Subject: Re: Batch job on WAIT statement dies with %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normal successful com ' Message-ID: <3B04964D.E33F8E56@fsi.net>    Rob Buxton wrote:  >   > Definately an interesting one. > F > You don't run DECamds and someone "fixed" the process by killing the > image?H > I've not tried this but it might terminate the Wait image, the command  > procedure would then continue. > 5 > What else does the com procedure do after the wait?  >  > Just guessing.....   $ verb/out=wait.cld wait
 $ ty wait.cld  define verb WAIT1    cliroutine WAIT, cliflags(nostatus, immediate)   2 WAIT is an "internal" command - no external image.  + I'd try SET VERIFY and SET PREFIX "(!%D) ".    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:14:01 -0400 ( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>Y Subject: Re: Batch job on WAIT statement dies with %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normal successful com + Message-ID: <3B04A189.AD3083D3@bigfoot.com>   N If you post the last 15 lines of the batch job, there might be something there) that we can see to diagnose this problem.    HM  ! norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:   @ > I just had a batch job end "normally" on "$WAIT 00:05:00" with0 > %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completionM > in accounting entry.  The log file shows it was closed (modified) less than M > a minute into the job, and the create and modify times on it are inside the M > Start time and Finish time in the accounting entry by a few hundredths of a  >       second. L > In short, it looks like the WAIT-statement was taken as an EXIT-statement. > 8 > This is OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 on AS1200/533 in cluster. > P > Neither I nor support knows where to start on this one.  Any insights welcome.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:30:39 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> + Subject: Compaq Analyze, WEBES, DSN  Issues 4 Message-ID: <zNUM6.238978$Z2.2614206@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  K I will be in a conference call on Wednesday to discuss issues I have raised 9 here before about Compaq Analyze on VMS. I was wondering;   0 1. Who out there is using Compaq Analyze on VMS?   2. Are you happy with it?   L 3. If not, and you have an ES40 or a DS20, then what do you use to read your error logs?   B 4. Any thoughts on CADC or RCM (I have not tried either of these)?   5. Any thoughts on DSNLink 3.0?   ( You can e-mail me answers if you prefer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:51:21 -0300 1 From: "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br> # Subject: Free Alphaserver to use... < Message-ID: <023401c0df2c$48ea65d0$154c88c8@unipobjetivo.br>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_022F_01C0DF13.210D8240  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable    Hello all guys:   I   I'd like to know if is there any alphaserver to use in the internet.=20 7   (creating an account and Logging in the system...)=20    Thanks...    =20   + ------=_NextPart_000_022F_01C0DF13.210D8240  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>3 <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =  http-equiv=3DContent-Type>6 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2920.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>= <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all guys:</FONT></DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> J <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp; I'd like to know if is there any = alphaserver=20% to use in the internet. </FONT></DIV> J <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp; (creating an account and Logging =	 in the=20  system...) </FONT></DIV>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp; Thanks...</FONT></DIV>/ <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; =  </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   - ------=_NextPart_000_022F_01C0DF13.210D8240--    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:29:01 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ' Subject: Re: Free Alphaserver to use... ' Message-ID: <3B0496FD.8EEE7875@fsi.net>    > "Valdemir J. Santos" wrote:  >  > Hello all guys:  > H >   I'd like to know if is there any alphaserver to use in the internet.6 >   (creating an account and Logging in the system...)
 >   Thanks...   & Not sure about an Alpha system, but...   http://www.hobbesthevax.com/   ...seems to still be alive.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:24:02 +0900   From: "ȼ" <syahn@icols.com> Subject: ftp program in OpenVMS ( Message-ID: <9e1q7q$geh$1@news.nuri.net>  7 I will develop ftp program in OpenVMS7.1-2 environment.  We use Motif environment.         HELP ME!!!   <      1) ftp program(motif or C , C ++) example site and etc.     to mail me)  syahn@icols.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:08:16 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> # Subject: Re: ftp program in OpenVMS < Message-ID: <howard-4DB590.23081617052001@enews.newsguy.com>  J In article <9e1q7q$geh$1@news.nuri.net>, "ȼ" <syahn@icols.com> wrote:  9 > I will develop ftp program in OpenVMS7.1-2 environment.  > We use Motif environment.   ) Check out Linux source code for examples.  --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:34:39 -0400 (EDT)  From: jlynch@dircanmail.com % Subject: Jamie's Online Business Card = Message-ID: <20010517183439.B08BD13634@falcon.dircanmail.com>     Please Click Link For an Example     www.jmelynch.com    ) Get your free examle Online Business Card       4 Email: jlynch@dircanmail.com with your Phone Number       
  Thank-You   Jamie Lynch            F     We comply with proposed federal legislation regarding unsolicited E     commercial e-mail by providing you with a method for your e-mail  G     address to be permanently removed from our database and any future       mailings from our company.  =     To remove your address, please send an e-mail message to       remove@dircanmail.com     Dircan Inc.  205 Richmond St. W.  Suite # 702  Toronto, Ontario   M5V 1V3  416-979-0476 x102       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:41:39 -0700 - From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com> , Subject: Re: Looking for RZ28-VA or RZ29-VAs, Message-ID: <3B04B613.3371C553@peoplepc.com>  H Try Great Lakes Computer (http://www.glcomp.com)  They are an authorizedH Compaq reseller. I have bought several used drives from them.  They evenA replaced one used drive that died within 30 days of receiving it.    Ask for Jeff Stevens.   
 Jack Patteeuw      "Kent, Philip JW1811" wrote: > K > I have a customer who would like to purchase some RZ28-VA or RZ29-VA disk K > drives.  If you have any extras of these older disk drives please contact ? > me.  This customer is looking for about 20 or so disk drives.  >  > Thanks >  > Phil Kent  > kent@jwfc.jfcom.mil  > philip.kent@compaq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:14:56 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: Opera browser' Message-ID: <3B041520.C01403C8@fsi.net>    Paul Anderson wrote: > F > In article <OF9B8799CE.FB917C4F-ON88256A4F.005C77EF@foundation.com>,$ > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > , > > Still, a count of 3 isn't enough either. >  > Four.  > F > I'd love to have a browser that actually works on my OpenVMS system.I > Netscape Navigator 3.03 barfs with too many pages.  Mozilla so far is a  > joke.  >  > Paul  = Any chance we can get the OVMS engineering team to "sign on"?   2 ...or would that conflict with the Mozilla effort?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2001 19:23:36 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: Opera browser, Message-ID: <9e18fo$orm@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  h In article <OFB3B320D9.DB80D983-ON88256A4E.00615E0F@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:J >Y'know, it's a pity only Christof and I were interested in trying to push >Opera into a VMS port.   E You can add me to that list.  I've suggested this to numerous Compaq  J personnel - pointing out that waiting for Mozilla to gel was likely to be D like waiting for Godot and the Netscape 3.3 doesn't cut it anymore. " Naturally, they ignored me (us).    E I actually enjoyed telling the campus folks that I'm dropping my last I system off the ESL/CSLG - it was nice for once to know that I wouldn't be K sending another penny to this unresponsive and boneheaded company.  And the H $685 I saved in this one year covered 1/3 of the cost of the replacementF system, which, by the way, is the PC Sparc analog of the PC VMS system6 we've been begging Compaq to build for about 7 years.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech mJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:13:00 +0200t+ From: Harald van Pee <pee@iskp.uni-bonn.de>g Subject: Re: Opera browser0 Message-ID: <3B044CEC.67E48242@iskp.uni-bonn.de>  * > Still, a count of 3 isn't enough either.   n++;-)  - I even use opera on linux instead of mozilla. 0 At the moment opera for linux is a browser only,% but they will add mail and news soon. F In the opposite mozilla will be much more than browser, mail and news,1 but still isn't anything which realy can be used.i   Harald   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2001 22:11:18 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Opera browser* Message-ID: <3b043066$1@news.kapsch.co.at>   In article <paul.r.anderson-1705011305200001@dhcp-16-21-34-107.eng.lkg.dec.com>, paul.r.anderson@compaq.com (Paul Anderson) writes:eE >In article <OF9B8799CE.FB917C4F-ON88256A4F.005C77EF@foundation.com>,y# >Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:  >e+ >> Still, a count of 3 isn't enough either.i >r >Four.  J No, five. But I'd buy only a handful of licenses, so I don't really count.  F >I'd love to have a browser that actually works on my OpenVMS system. H >Netscape Navigator 3.03 barfs with too many pages.  Mozilla so far is a >joke.  > That is not my motivation. I find MOZILLA 0.9 no longer a joke? (It is far from beeing perfect, but unfortunately so is Opera).t  G I only want more than one VMS application product for any given problemgF like a WWW browser. And there is LYNX, MOSAIC, NETSCAPE V3.03 (JAVA isL Alpha-only) and MOZILLA (Alpha-Only), and this just isn't enough in my eyes. Add at least Opera...    -- s< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:51:44 -0700-! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com- Subject: Re: Opera browserD Message-ID: <OF324B0CEA.5DAE9972-ON88256A4F.00727F78@foundation.com>  K 5 now. Any more? Bear in mind we need people willing to pay the $20 for theCJ commercial version rather than the ad-infested (and spyware infested) free version.   Shanet          F mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) on 05/17/2001 12:23:36 PM  > Please respond to mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 cc:T   Subject:  Re: Opera browser@    D In article <OFB3B320D9.DB80D983-ON88256A4E.00615E0F@foundation.com>,# Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:nJ >Y'know, it's a pity only Christof and I were interested in trying to push >Opera into a VMS port.   D You can add me to that list.  I've suggested this to numerous CompaqI personnel - pointing out that waiting for Mozilla to gel was likely to begC like waiting for Godot and the Netscape 3.3 doesn't cut it anymore.   Naturally, they ignored me (us).  E I actually enjoyed telling the campus folks that I'm dropping my lasteI system off the ESL/CSLG - it was nice for once to know that I wouldn't be0K sending another penny to this unresponsive and boneheaded company.  And theIH $685 I saved in this one year covered 1/3 of the cost of the replacementF system, which, by the way, is the PC Sparc analog of the PC VMS system5 we've been begging Compaq to build for about 7 years.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu> Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, CaltechJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:55:13 -0400M: From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com> Subject: RE: Opera browserK Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D6DC075@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>o   > -----Original Message-----2 > From: eplan@kapsch.net [mailto:eplan@kapsch.net]& > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 4:11 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma > Subject: Re: Opera browser >  .a  <SNIP>  . @ > That is not my motivation. I find MOZILLA 0.9 no longer a jokeA > (It is far from beeing perfect, but unfortunately so is Opera).T > < > I only want more than one VMS application product for any  > given problemaH > like a WWW browser. And there is LYNX, MOSAIC, NETSCAPE V3.03 (JAVA is< > Alpha-only) and MOZILLA (Alpha-Only), and this just isn't  > enough in my eyes. > Add at least Opera...( >  > --  > > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888n> > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.net@ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm  > a realist" >t   IBM has Opera...  check out:  D http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/05/16/010516hnopera.xml    :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -"   a Member of the LexisNexis Group
 1275 Broadway- Albany, NY  12204j USAu 518-487-3255 JKoska@bender.com   * "I post personal opinion only, and all the* disclaimers one could imagine apply.  That( includes, I speak for myself only and my* views in no way represent my employer(s)."   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2001 18:03:02 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)e Subject: Re: Opera browser3 Message-ID: <OaPg0XnkFhXy@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  h In article <OF324B0CEA.5DAE9972-ON88256A4F.00727F78@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes: > M > 5 now. Any more? Bear in mind we need people willing to pay the $20 for thesL > commercial version rather than the ad-infested (and spyware infested) free
 > version.  E There is no proof that a commercial version would be free of spyware,:, unless you never connect it to the Internet.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:36:27 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.come Subject: Re: Opera browserD Message-ID: <OFB8AE5EB5.2786550A-ON88256A4F.0079FFEC@foundation.com>  K Observations suggest it's OK. The pay version doesn't appear on the spywaremG infested software list, and there are people using ethernet sniffers toeK check. 'Course, they could always be doing some funky kind of encryption sot it doesn't show up.i   ShaneA          J Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) on 05/17/2001 04:03:02 PM  E Please respond to Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comy cc:    Subject:  Re: Opera browserf    D In article <OF324B0CEA.5DAE9972-ON88256A4F.00727F78@foundation.com>,# Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:S >lI > 5 now. Any more? Bear in mind we need people willing to pay the $20 forf theoG > commercial version rather than the ad-infested (and spyware infested)a free
 > version.  E There is no proof that a commercial version would be free of spyware,-, unless you never connect it to the Internet.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:39:25 -0700h! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>Y Subject: RE: Opera browser9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEHHCJAA.tom@kednos.com>f  I The way this was conducted for the Linux port was that people effectively  "petitioned"I Opera Software  (There was a mechanism on their site for signing up)  and L when the critical mass was reached the port was started.  So I would suggestK that if people are really interested  somebody either contact Opera and seeoE if they would set up a polling station, otr alternatively  interestedeE parties set it up and then communicate it to them.  I can reveal from J previous discussions that I have had, that Compaq has had discussions with them in the past.l  H It always struck me as odd that they put higher priority on Be over VMS.     > -----Original Message-----B > From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam]& > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 4:03 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh > Subject: Re: Opera browser >r >  > In article; > <OF324B0CEA.5DAE9972-ON88256A4F.00727F78@foundation.com>,S% > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:2 > >2C > > 5 now. Any more? Bear in mind we need people willing to pay thed
 > $20 for the ? > > commercial version rather than the ad-infested (and spywaree > infested) free > > version. > G > There is no proof that a commercial version would be free of spyware,u. > unless you never connect it to the Internet. >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 01:20:00 +0200t) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>k Subject: Re: Opera browser, Message-ID: <3B045CA0.2A4AE2A0@infopuls.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 8 > On Wed, 16 May 2001 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > M > > Y'know, it's a pity only Christof and I were interested in trying to push8> > > Opera into a VMS port. They're popping up everywhere else: > >I? > >      Opera follows up Linux version with IBM appliance dealn > >e: > >      http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/18985.html > >: > C > Uhhh.  I think if you actually go back and check the old messagesaA > you'll find that I was the first one to suggest that.  EveryoneaF > else just came up with all the reasons why this would be a bad idea. >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>  ? Nobody wants to steal your idea. Some ideas come up at the sameE@ time at different places. There aren't that much browsers around= to chose from for a VMS port and I don't remember that I saidD anything against that. What would you like to pay?b   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 01:24:45 +0200n) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>  Subject: Re: Opera browser, Message-ID: <3B045DBD.428EA0D4@infopuls.com>   Harald van Pee wrote:T > , > > Still, a count of 3 isn't enough either. >  > n++;-) > / > I even use opera on linux instead of mozilla.<2 > At the moment opera for linux is a browser only,' > but they will add mail and news soon.-H > In the opposite mozilla will be much more than browser, mail and news,3 > but still isn't anything which realy can be used.e >  > Harald  @ Very good news (about that adding mail and news). I know several@ people that stick to Netscape on Solaris because of the mail and= news functions although this piece dies from time to time andc? makes the people nervous to say the least. I wonder if there iso< any platform (no, not Linux) where this browser works almost flawlessly.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 01:27:01 +0200e) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>o Subject: Re: Opera browser, Message-ID: <3B045E45.DBF3B66A@infopuls.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > j > In article <OF324B0CEA.5DAE9972-ON88256A4F.00727F78@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes: > >sO > > 5 now. Any more? Bear in mind we need people willing to pay the $20 for thetN > > commercial version rather than the ad-infested (and spyware infested) free > > version. > G > There is no proof that a commercial version would be free of spyware,g. > unless you never connect it to the Internet.  > Unfortunately true but I don't think they would take the risk.? Image what that would do to their image and this company unlikeC others lives from this product.o  : I think we should agree to pay more than the US$20 because, otherwise the amount might probably too low.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2001 21:58:51 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)u Subject: Re: Opera browser3 Message-ID: <wK0p+xdvfpyQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  h In article <OFB8AE5EB5.2786550A-ON88256A4F.0079FFEC@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes: > M > Observations suggest it's OK. The pay version doesn't appear on the spyware I > infested software list, and there are people using ethernet sniffers to M > check. 'Course, they could always be doing some funky kind of encryption sou > it doesn't show up.u  F It could be waiting two years to start reporting, after it is popular.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2001 22:02:44 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)@D Subject: Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information at3 Message-ID: <$pK9QkM+2go1@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  _ In article <3B0461ED.9DEE25A4@oracle.com>, norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> writes:  > 	. > 	. > 	.5 >> >>     Starting from www.oracle.com how do I find; H >> >>         1. The current version of Oracle Classic that runs on VMS?F >> >>         2. What versions of Oracle Classic are supported on VMS?@ >> >>         3. The matrix of VMS versions vs. Oracle Versions?O >> >>         4. Anything about OPS on VMS (I found a lot of information on OPS * >> >>on NT, but nothing about OPS on VMS!)? >> >>         5. Anything about RDB (I know I can jump right to P >> >>www.oracle.com/rdb, but how does someone get there who does not know that?) > . > 	here's one way.  I'm sure there are several >  > 	www.oracle.como > 		-> PRODUCTS   5 Also set up to prevent viewing from secured browsers:t  2 	"JavaScript Not enabled or not allowed by Proxy."   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:58:52 -0400e- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>8S Subject: Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information at www.oracle.come4 Message-ID: <NjUM6.238969$Z2.2614170@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:1ul7gtcrbmkgj9h48rbgmt8bm8t5rffgrl@4ax.com... >...D > partner.oracle.com then click on "Learn about  platform technologyD > partnerships" then you can enter "Digital Alpha OpenVMS" (or VAX).E > All of the Oracle classic info you are looking for is there". Don'tr >...  E Thanks, that was exactly what I needed to print and post on the wall.,   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:42:37 -0400n2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>Y Subject: Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information at www.oracle.com www.oo* Message-ID: <3B0461ED.9DEE25A4@oracle.com>   	. 	. 	.4 > >>     Starting from www.oracle.com how do I find;G > >>         1. The current version of Oracle Classic that runs on VMS? E > >>         2. What versions of Oracle Classic are supported on VMS?i? > >>         3. The matrix of VMS versions vs. Oracle Versions?eN > >>         4. Anything about OPS on VMS (I found a lot of information on OPS) > >>on NT, but nothing about OPS on VMS!)e> > >>         5. Anything about RDB (I know I can jump right toO > >>www.oracle.com/rdb, but how does someone get there who does not know that?)o  , 	here's one way.  I'm sure there are several   	www.oracle.com2
 		-> PRODUCTS 
 			->Databasei 				->Oracle Rdb   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 01:37:21 +0200t) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>-Y Subject: Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information atwww.oracle.com atwww.i, Message-ID: <3B0460B1.A9D3DA9F@infopuls.com>   Scott Vieth wrote: > B > Yes, the IDX shops will be migrating to Cache' from ISM and DSM. > P > Eventually, there will be quite a few VMS shops using Cache after IDX gets all > of its customers converted.a >  > -Scott  ; I studied their web site (resp. the material there) and was.> rather impressed. The Linux version with a single user licence< can be downloaded for free. VMS is a fully supported version8 with Unicode. The only thing I didn't really find is the= programming language you have to use to program against their  object database.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 18:19:52 -0700C! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com Y Subject: Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS informationatwww.oracle.com atwww.ocD Message-ID: <OF5D14048A.7ECC02F2-ON88256A50.00073B34@foundation.com>  G C, C++, Ada and COBOL are listed in their manuals - which I happened to*- have open at that page, by pure co-incidence.S   Shane           = Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> on 05/17/2001 04:37:21 PM*  5 Please respond to Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>-   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com: cc:   B Subject:  Re: Sort of off topic but: How do I find VMS information8       atwww.oracle.com atwww.oracle.com atwww.oracle.com     Scott Vieth wrote: > B > Yes, the IDX shops will be migrating to Cache' from ISM and DSM. >mG > Eventually, there will be quite a few VMS shops using Cache after IDX  gets all > of its customers converted.  >i > -Scott  ; I studied their web site (resp. the material there) and wasi> rather impressed. The Linux version with a single user licence< can be downloaded for free. VMS is a fully supported version8 with Unicode. The only thing I didn't really find is the= programming language you have to use to program against theira object database.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:04:32 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>C8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants( Message-ID: <9e178u$sfk$1@pyrite.mv.net>  : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:YB0jXkewPZHc@eisner.encompasserve.org...nL > In article <9dud6a$arv@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: > >> > >.J > > I'll second that.  Seems more like more Andrew FUD.  A lot of what you doI > > with "file system expansion" on Unix you do on VMS with logicals.  Ift > > you've already got > >r >tC > What you can't do with this or bound volume sets, you can do withrJ > quotas.  File system expansion allows one to keep some unused disk spaceG > and grow an existing partition and file system into that unused spaceyJ > when it runs out of space.  Setting quotas so the total useable space isG > smaller than the disk provides the same capability, the user can then  > use more space.A >HJ > But I just never saw the purpose of denying the users access to the diskJ > space after it had been purchased.  What happens after you grow the UNIXH > file system or turn up the quota and the user runs out of space again,D > but there is no more physical space?  Might as well deal with that > question as the former.d  I Which is exactly what file system expansion does when used in conjunction E with a logical volume manager (or hardware RAID device) that allows ar= logical volume to be expanded on the fly by adding new disks.i   - bill   >DH > ----------------------------------------------------------------------A > Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences CorporationT? > NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupDG >                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:18:30 -0400 - From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>e4 Subject: Re: Vax 4000-700 boot syntax for shadow set- Message-ID: <3B045C46.220ECC6F@bellsouth.net>i  @ Don't forget,  ALLOCLASS has to be non-zero.  ($1$, $2$ etc....)   Michael Austin DBA/VMS Consultant   Charlie Hammond wrote:  ^ > In article <878zjvly7w.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: > >tF > >I scored a 4000-700A the other day. Problem is, what is the correctH > >way to enter two DIA drives to boot a shadow set?  I tried DIA1,DIA0,= > >but it failed as DIA1 was still doing a full copy from thehD > >4400. Anyone know the trick for this? Being unable to boot if theH > >first dev is US seems to defeat the idea of a shadow set pretty well! >a2 > First you must have a VOLSHAD license installed. >b/ > Next you must have the system parameters set:* >*' >     SHADOW_SYS_DISK must be set to 1.*? >     SHADOW_SYS_UNIT must be set to the unit that will be used = >         for the system disk shadow set.  In a cluster, this*( >         must be the same on ALL nodes. >-@ > Then you boot by using the PHYSICAL device (just one of them).; > The boot process creates (or just mounts) the shadow set.R >OC > More information can be found in the Volume Shadowing for OpenVMSA- > manual -- AA-PVXMD-TE (or a later version).- >- > --M >     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USA4J >        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)L >       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:56:39 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)  Subject: Re: VAX Acronym0 Message-ID: <009FC261.A8744E27@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <C2256A4F.005479A6.00@jklh21.valmet.com>, norm.raphael@jamesbury.com writes:e >. >  >Me!  Me!  I know! > E >From the VAX Architecture Handbook, Copyright 1981 Digital Equipment6
 >Corporation.n >All Rights Reserved:r >aP >"The letters VAX suggest the premier feature of VAX computers - Virtual Address >eXtention."    ! And the letters in ALPHA suggest:a  6    Advanced Lightning-fast Processor Hardly Advertised   Sad eh?  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMK             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 02:37:40 GMTi; From: "Stuart R. Fuller" <stu@c49395-a.wodhvn1.mi.home.com>  Subject: Re: VAX Acronym/ Message-ID: <hgv1e9.dum.ln@momsys.fuller.local>y  . Bob Koehler <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote: : In article <72B7FB6FB4C3A040BF94CE49CBB356312C48B3@FDYEXC202.mgroupnet.com>, "Broerman, Jason M." <JMBroerman@MarathonOil.com> writes:  4 :> Does anyone know what the VAX acronym stands for?   : Yes.   Carl has been reincarnated!n           Stua   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:43:50 -0400e' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>  Subject: Re: VAX Acronym< Message-ID: <howard-A11213.00434918052001@enews.newsguy.com>  / In article <hgv1e9.dum.ln@momsys.fuller.local>,l=  "Stuart R. Fuller" <stu@c49395-a.wodhvn1.mi.home.com> wrote:r  0 > Bob Koehler <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote: > : In article 6F > : <72B7FB6FB4C3A040BF94CE49CBB356312C48B3@FDYEXC202.mgroupnet.com>, = > : "Broerman, Jason M." <JMBroerman@MarathonOil.com> writes:t > 6 > :> Does anyone know what the VAX acronym stands for? >  > : Yes. >  > Carl has been reincarnated!i  1 What's the matter, that's a good answer!  <smirk>  -- . Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:11:01 -0300l) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brsN Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia DocL Message-ID: <OFBF1BA589.12B0F1C4-ON03256A4F.0063BAC8@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  ? Nowadays we have USB printers, scanners, modems, etc,,, at all.hA It is the natural substitute of mouse and keyboard connectors....e  	 Why not ?a  I I would like to install a video camera in my OpenVMS server (for example)p: so I will use Firewire ..... or the Maxtor 80 GB disk ....   Regardsa   FC        2 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com em 17/05/2001 14:46:46  - Favor responder a Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com-             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       J Assunto: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia          Doc      H It's all Intel's fault. They didn't put enough interrupts (IRQ's) in theK x86 design, so they had to come up with a way of bolting on a whole load ofmK devices on one IRQ. USB was a rather poor design for doing that. Of course,hG being an Intel design, Microsoft got behind it and the rest is history.n  K It does have one use. Mice. The sampling rate is much higher than on a PS/2gF mouse. Combined with a high dot pitch (like, er, my 2000dpi Razer), itD gives really fast, accurate control. Did I mention I play Quake? :-)   Shane           E Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>@k9.healthnet.com on 05/17/2001s 09:35:51 AMy  8 Please respond to Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>   Sent by:  prep@k9.healthnet.com      To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comg cc:a  K Subject:  Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimediaj	       Doce    7 Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> writes:2  E >     Having said that we have done most of the USB development using F > a couple different add in PCI cards and after in some cases spendingF > many weeks working around bugs in the cards got them working.  So ifA > someone wants to add in an OHCI compliant card and use the codeoE > there is nothing preventing that.  But they will get no support forvB > Compaq.  At the present time we cannot commit to a date when theC > code will be available it won't be released until the legacy frees > systems are shipping.:  G Odd, that USB was designed into the MB of some earlier systems. Nonamesn for example.  B But the question I have is "WHY??" What the hell would anyone saneE want USB for? Fire wire I can see being usefull, especially if it canpA run at the full speed. More and more vidio and audio stuff had it:	 built in.   + But USB? An answer out to cause problems...p   --< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,"   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov   ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 01 21:45:19 MDT" From: ivie@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie)N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc% Message-ID: <kCbpVt7en26O@cc.usu.edu>o  { In article <C6zM6.4299$6j3.375798@www.newsranger.com>, Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> writes:dL > On a related matter, does anyone want to comment on the most unusual pieceH > of hardware (either on the bus or via an external interface) that they> > have ever seen connected to and controlled by a VMS system ?  K I have a VAXstation 2000 with a wart on top containing a ZIF socket for the0K MFM data separator hybrid used in the VAXstation 3100's MFM controller. The L machine was used to test the hybrids as they came off the the assembly line.H The machine ran VMS. The operator's console was set to automatically logI into an app which locked itself into memory then switched the 2000's databH separator to the hybrid, ran tests on the hybrid using the internal hardF disk as a data soure, then swithced back to the 2000's data separator. -- sN -------------------------+----------------------------------------------------3 Roger Ivie               | Ben Stein for president!n ivie@cc.usu.edu          | http://cc.usu.edu/~ivie/ | -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----o Version: 3.18 GP dpu s:+++ a C++ UB- P--- L- E--- W- N++ o-- K-- w--- > O M+ V+++ PS+++ PE++ Y+ PGP+ t++ 5++ X-- R tv++ b+++ DI+++ D-  G-- e++ h--- r+++ y+++ n ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------b   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:02:22 -0400t5 From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom>7) Subject: Re: What is "legacy free system"n/ Message-ID: <3B04122E.5A23D760@compaq.com.doom>n   JF Mezei wrote:e  N > I have heard some Compaq employees type "legacy free systems" in response to, > the questrties about USB/Firewire support. > 3 > What exactly do they mean "legacy free systems" ?e  !     Answering two questions here.r  K 1) Why USB for low speed devices like modems., keyboards, mice, printers it  works well.  With USB 2.0 and L      480 MBits disks make some sense.  VMS support is driven by the hardware groups desire to get rid of theo+      PS/2 ports, serial and parallel ports.h  O 2) Legacy free systems are those systems that have no PS/2, serial and parallel2 ports.  J     If the hardware folks decide to use Firewire or decide there is enough( demand to add a Firewire controller thenO the O.S. will eventually look at doing drivers for it.  But at the present time7& I know of no plans to include Firewire hardware in the O.S.   Forrest Kenney
 OpenVMS Group    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 18:14:25 +0000 (UTC)r' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) ) Subject: Re: What is "legacy free system"g+ Message-ID: <9e14e1$l6e$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>n  g In article <3B04122E.5A23D760@compaq.com.doom>, Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> writes:- >JF Mezei wrote: > O >> I have heard some Compaq employees type "legacy free systems" in response tol- >> the questrties about USB/Firewire support.o >>4 >> What exactly do they mean "legacy free systems" ? >e" >    Answering two questions here. >1L >1) Why USB for low speed devices like modems., keyboards, mice, printers it >works well.  With USB 2.0 andM >     480 MBits disks make some sense.  VMS support is driven by the hardwaren  >groups desire to get rid of the, >     PS/2 ports, serial and parallel ports. >sP >2) Legacy free systems are those systems that have no PS/2, serial and parallel >ports.  >>    J Just what we don't need - Compaq handing the opposition a valid reason to : call all the existing installed servers legacy systems !!!  7 Compaq,  call them anything but LEGACY FREE systems !!!a  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leadersr CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:54:55 -0400 5 From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> ) Subject: Re: What is "legacy free system"l/ Message-ID: <3B041E7F.6997346A@compaq.com.doom>-   "D.Webb" wrote:e  i > In article <3B04122E.5A23D760@compaq.com.doom>, Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> writes:t > >JF Mezei wrote: > >MQ > >> I have heard some Compaq employees type "legacy free systems" in response toc/ > >> the questrties about USB/Firewire support.m > >>6 > >> What exactly do they mean "legacy free systems" ? > > $ > >    Answering two questions here. > >uN > >1) Why USB for low speed devices like modems., keyboards, mice, printers it  > >works well.  With USB 2.0 andO > >     480 MBits disks make some sense.  VMS support is driven by the hardwaret" > >groups desire to get rid of the. > >     PS/2 ports, serial and parallel ports. > >eR > >2) Legacy free systems are those systems that have no PS/2, serial and parallel	 > >ports.: > >S > K > Just what we don't need - Compaq handing the opposition a valid reason tos< > call all the existing installed servers legacy systems !!! >a9 > Compaq,  call them anything but LEGACY FREE systems !!!h >u > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leadersn > CCSS > Middlesex University  k     It is not something we made up it is the PC industry term for systems like that.  I would not expect toe see the i Alpha systems that are built that way promoted at legacy free systems.  Yes poor choice of terms but real  commonO way of describing systems with no old PC style serial, PS/2 and parallel ports.m     Forrest    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:16:45 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)) Subject: Re: What is "legacy free system"-2 Message-ID: <xsVM6.444$fi2.11207@news.cpqcorp.net>  7 The "legacy free" PCs I've seen so far also do not haveS9 any ISA (or EISA) card slots, only PCI.  No fiddling withr: IRQs and other configuration headaches, which I think most3 people will agree is a step in the right direction.l  2 And as Kenny mentioned, this phrase was made up by3 somebody else in the industry before Compaq startedh using it for some of it's PCs.   -- s(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have an5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:27:10 -0300-) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br0) Subject: Re: What is "legacy free system"lL Message-ID: <OFE3891C06.64E78764-ON03256A4F.0065361A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  B If these systems are FREE, means there is way to relaunch them ...J People from the VAX community can ask some company (like Digital Networks); to relaunch VAX systems for example .... just an idea ! ! !i     Regards    FC        8 david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) em 17/05/2001 15:14:25  3 Favor responder a david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)o             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi      ) Assunto: Re: What is "legacy free system"u    > In article <3B04122E.5A23D760@compaq.com.doom>, Forrest Kenney( <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> writes: >JF Mezei wrote: >IC >> I have heard some Compaq employees type "legacy free systems" inl response tol- >> the questrties about USB/Firewire support.  >>4 >> What exactly do they mean "legacy free systems" ? > " >    Answering two questions here. >iI >1) Why USB for low speed devices like modems., keyboards, mice, printersl it >works well.  With USB 2.0 andD >     480 MBits disks make some sense.  VMS support is driven by the hardware  >groups desire to get rid of the, >     PS/2 ports, serial and parallel ports. >dG >2) Legacy free systems are those systems that have no PS/2, serial and4 parallel >ports.B >     I Just what we don't need - Compaq handing the opposition a valid reason toa: call all the existing installed servers legacy systems !!!  7 Compaq,  call them anything but LEGACY FREE systems !!!0  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leaders  CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2001 15:33:46 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)n) Subject: Re: What is "legacy free system""3 Message-ID: <WLkF9n8m8bKh@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  \ In article <3B040E1A.6E927C28@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:N > I have heard some Compaq employees type "legacy free systems" in response to, > the questrties about USB/Firewire support. > 3 > What exactly do they mean "legacy free systems" ?s  3 One that does not support the VMS keyboard layout ?c   ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2001 19:34:59 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)) Subject: Re: What is "legacy free system"e, Message-ID: <9e1953$orm@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  \ In article <3B040E1A.6E927C28@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:M >I have heard some Compaq employees type "legacy free systems" in response toe+ >the questrties about USB/Firewire support.h > 2 >What exactly do they mean "legacy free systems" ?  : In the PC world it has a somewhat more restricted meaning:     1.  no serial portsr   2.  no parallel portsp    3.  no mouse or keyboard jacks  K Instead you just have USB.  I suppose that's ok for a PC for the home, but -D until hell freezes over I suspect that VMS, Unix, and all other OS'sK workstations and servers are going to have console access through at least DJ one serial port, and that means that you can't use a "legacy free PC" as aK console device, at least not without buying some sort of USB -> serial portr	 adapter.     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech EJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:44:15 -0400m- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>I) Subject: Re: What is "legacy free system"1, Message-ID: <3B04381E.BDE73006@videotron.ca>   David Mathog wrote:hH > Instead you just have USB.  I suppose that's ok for a PC for the home,   Spelled: Imac :-)s  F > until hell freezes over I suspect that VMS, Unix, and all other OS'sL > workstations and servers are going to have console access through at leastL > one serial port, and that means that you can't use a "legacy free PC" as aM > console device, at least not without buying some sort of USB -> serial ports
 > adapter.  L Most interesting. I personally find serial port to be fairly important for aH serious machine. Why would the availability of a serial port on an alpha; workstation impede the addition of a USB or firewire port ?b  L However, I can just see it coming: because VMS customers want a serial port,M we can't build "commodity" alphas and hence Alphas will continue to be priced 
 at a premium.F  J Which is harder: provide fakes serial port support via USB, or provide the) existing TTDRIVER on a real serial port ?    ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2001 22:00:04 GMT% From: gkelley621@aol.com (GKelley621) ) Subject: Re: What is "legacy free system"S: Message-ID: <20010517180004.20117.00001152@nso-fx.aol.com>  5 In article <3B040E1A.6E927C28@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei2& <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:M >I have heard some Compaq employees type "legacy free systems" in response toA+ >the questrties about USB/Firewire support.a >q2 >What exactly do they mean "legacy free systems" ?    I "Legacy free system" within Compaq generally refers to the new line of PCe> (iPaq, the new EN and EP series PCs - not Alpha) that have no:   serial ports parallel ports mouse portst OR ISA (PCI only) slots.  L This is at the behest of MS as part of the continuing PCxx spec. MS wants toL get rid of all the old devices so they can once and for all drop support forN all the old options. Requiring that all PC manufacturers to build systems that; only use PCI and USB is their way of getting to that point.o   glen kelleyc   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 18:32:43 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>) Subject: Re: What is "legacy free system"46 Message-ID: <1010517181821.11310A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  $ On Thu, 17 May 2001, JF Mezei wrote:   > David Mathog wrote:kJ > > Instead you just have USB.  I suppose that's ok for a PC for the home, >  > Spelled: Imac :-)- > H > > until hell freezes over I suspect that VMS, Unix, and all other OS'sN > > workstations and servers are going to have console access through at leastN > > one serial port, and that means that you can't use a "legacy free PC" as aO > > console device, at least not without buying some sort of USB -> serial port  > > adapter. > N > Most interesting. I personally find serial port to be fairly important for aJ > serious machine. Why would the availability of a serial port on an alpha= > workstation impede the addition of a USB or firewire port ?V  I You have it backwards.  Availability of a serial port DOES NOT impede theh# addition of a USB or firewire port.!  E Lack of a serial port (and keyboard and mouse ports, which are really F the significant factor here) REQUIRES some substitute, which currently
 means USB.  E "Legacy-free" is a PC marketing term that makes it sounds like you're:E getting something better because equipment has been removed from your  new system.O  N > However, I can just see it coming: because VMS customers want a serial port,O > we can't build "commodity" alphas and hence Alphas will continue to be priced  > at a premium.d  G Nothing prevents you from installing a PCI serial/parallel card in your E "legacy-free" PC (at your own expense, of course, but these cards areaH cheap.)  But if you have a USB keyboard/mouse/printer/scanner/modem, you don't need it.  E Compaq could build a "commodity" alpha from "commodity" parts and addnF one of these cards for people who want/need a serial console interfaceE or a serial or parallel port, but for use other than as a console, ifuA VMS supports USB, the easier way would be to directly support USBoA available USB widgets, such as modems, printers, multiport serialiH adapters, etc.  (If the console code could support a USB serial adapter,F that might be all you would need, since the console code would already0 have to know about USB to support the keyboard.)  L > Which is harder: provide fakes serial port support via USB, or provide the+ > existing TTDRIVER on a real serial port ?c  G Since the TTDRIVER already supports real serial ports, obviously that'spF easier.  However, there are advantages to USB, which gets the PC-basedB hardware architecture almost back to where the Unibus was in 1970.   -- : John Santosl Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 18:19:44 -0400i* From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com>) Subject: Re: What is "legacy free system"a2 Message-ID: <tbYM6.472$fi2.11629@news.cpqcorp.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3B040E1A.6E927C28@videotron.ca...K > I have heard some Compaq employees type "legacy free systems" in responsei to, > the questrties about USB/Firewire support. >s3 > What exactly do they mean "legacy free systems" ?r >o  K "Legacy-free" is a PC industry term which means no ISA card slots or X-bus.wL The little known 8-bit Xbus is the bus used to connect build-in devices such6 as PS/2 keyboard and mouse, serial and paralell ports.  I You can have serial or parallel ports in a "legacy-free" systems, but the?K ports must be connected via the PCI bus and not the ISA or Xbus bus.  TheresK are also several USB-to-serial and USB-to-parallel devices available on thea: market today which are acceptable in a legacy-free system.  F Industry adoption of "legacy-free" PCs have been slower than expected,K because Windows95 and Windows98 has an assumption that an ISA bus is always J present.  Only Windows ME and Windows 2000 can run on Legacy-free systems.6 The iPaq Desktop PC is an example of a legacy-free PC.     Paul A. Jacobi Compaq Computer Corporation ! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14  110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-26987 Email: Paul.Jacobi@compaq.come   ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2001 23:21:42 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)) Subject: Re: What is "legacy free system"M, Message-ID: <9e1me6$4rp@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  \ In article <3B04381E.BDE73006@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >wK >Which is harder: provide fakes serial port support via USB, or provide the * >existing TTDRIVER on a real serial port ?  G I don't know.  But I do know that most of the UPS I've seen have to be tD plugged into serial ports.  If the trend to USB and away from serialK continues the UPS manufacturers will have to switch to USB too, and for the K more stupid UPS protocols, which depend on twiddling bits on a serial port,hJ that's going to be one wrenching transition.  Can you just imagine the funJ you'd have with a malfunctioning USB device on the same line as your UPS? I Take a couple of pictures with your webcam and suddenly the lights go outa on the computer.  Ugh. a   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech -   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 01:11:33 GMTd2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>) Subject: Re: What is "legacy free system"u3 Message-ID: <9F_M6.41$V22.2430@typhoon.aracnet.com>   6 Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> wrote:M > 1) Why USB for low speed devices like modems., keyboards, mice, printers it- > works well.  With USB 2.0 and N >      480 MBits disks make some sense.  VMS support is driven by the hardware! > groups desire to get rid of the - >      PS/2 ports, serial and parallel ports..  Q > 2) Legacy free systems are those systems that have no PS/2, serial and parallelr > ports.  D OK, this sounds more than a little disturbing to me.  How is someoneJ supposed to hand a Serial Console on such a beastie?  For servers anything else is a waste.   			Zanel   ------------------------------   Date: 18 May 2001 02:04:50 GMT- From: Joe Heimann <heimann@nog.ecs.umass.edu>m) Subject: Re: What is "legacy free system"h, Message-ID: <9e2002$8i7$2@odo.ecs.umass.edu>  3 David Mathog <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote:c^ > In article <3B04381E.BDE73006@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >>L >>Which is harder: provide fakes serial port support via USB, or provide the+ >>existing TTDRIVER on a real serial port ?l  I > I don't know.  But I do know that most of the UPS I've seen have to be sF > plugged into serial ports.  If the trend to USB and away from serialM > continues the UPS manufacturers will have to switch to USB too, and for the M > more stupid UPS protocols, which depend on twiddling bits on a serial port,fL > that's going to be one wrenching transition.  Can you just imagine the funL > you'd have with a malfunctioning USB device on the same line as your UPS? K > Take a couple of pictures with your webcam and suddenly the lights go out" > on the computer.  Ugh. p  H At the consumer level, small office and home sized UPS's have been goingH towards USB for the serial connection instead of a RS-232 based one.  ItH looks like some of the "PC centric" manufacturers are doing this so theyF can sell to both the PC and Mac owners who want the ability to monitorG power and auto-shutdown.  I have not heard if anyone has scoped out theeG signals being sent over the USB link yet, so have no idea how robust ityG will be against the kind of situation outlined.  Hopefully it will be ap8 bit more robust than the APC software on a serial line.    Joe Heimann    heimann@ecs.umass.edul   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:30:55 -0700y- From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com>b) Subject: Re: What is "legacy free system"e, Message-ID: <3B04B38F.9DEB3A33@peoplepc.com>   "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > 8 > Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> wrote:O > > 1) Why USB for low speed devices like modems., keyboards, mice, printers it7! > > works well.  With USB 2.0 andwP > >      480 MBits disks make some sense.  VMS support is driven by the hardware# > > groups desire to get rid of the / > >      PS/2 ports, serial and parallel ports.m > S > > 2) Legacy free systems are those systems that have no PS/2, serial and paralleli
 > > ports. > F > OK, this sounds more than a little disturbing to me.  How is someoneL > supposed to hand a Serial Console on such a beastie?  For servers anything > else is a waste.    C Gasp !  A "Serial Console"  !!   What a novel idea.  Maybe it couldtC print on paper (and if someone changed the ribbon occasionally) youg, could go back and see relevant message !!!!!      
 Jack Patteeuwl   One live LA120 (one spare)
        and$ Console Manager on 40+ other systems including Suns and a ES12000   ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2001 22:55 CDTs' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)e) Subject: Re: What is "legacy free system"!- Message-ID: <17MAY200122551709@gerg.tamu.edu>F  9 Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> writes...r }JF Mezei wrote:O }> I have heard some Compaq employees type "legacy free systems" in response to - }> the questrties about USB/Firewire support.  }>4 }> What exactly do they mean "legacy free systems" ? } " }    Answering two questions here. } L }1) Why USB for low speed devices like modems., keyboards, mice, printers it }works well.  With USB 2.0 andM }     480 MBits disks make some sense.  VMS support is driven by the hardwareM  }groups desire to get rid of the, }     PS/2 ports, serial and parallel ports.  G The current USB is also (barely) adequate for scanners. It's a tad slowwE in the data transfer - this appears to be the main limiting factor invH the scan speed for my recently acquired USB scanner for anything pushingF more data than about 300dpi 8-bit greyscale. (THe scanner, by the way,F is pretty spiffy: it has exactly one cord to plug in: the USB cord, asA it draws its power over the USB since it only uses 2.5 watts when C scanning and USB is designed to do this.) Some of the newest modelsiF support data compression to help with this bottleneck. USB 2.0 will doF away with it completely (eventually, assuming it actually catches on).  P }2) Legacy free systems are those systems that have no PS/2, serial and parallel }ports.a   }Forrest Kenneyo }OpenVMS Group  A In PC land, "legacy free" also means no (E)ISA slots (and usuallymD very few PCI slots as well). In VMSland it could therefore also mean= no non-PCI expansion busses like, say, Q-bus or TurboChannel.6   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:03:35 -0300 1 From: "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br>e' Subject: Where I can get  Dec Migrate ?u< Message-ID: <022001c0df25$9ea60bc0$154c88c8@unipobjetivo.br>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_021D_01C0DF0C.74C89D40  Content-Type: text/plain;( 	charset="iso-8859-1"n+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   - Where I can get Dec Migrate in the Internet ?E  	 Thanks...p  + ------=_NextPart_000_021D_01C0DF0C.74C89D40o Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"I+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printabley  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>3 <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =m http-equiv=3DContent-Type>6 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2920.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE>b </HEAD>c <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>E <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Where I can get Dec Migrate in the =p Internet=20  ?</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> E <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks...</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>e  - ------=_NextPart_000_021D_01C0DF0C.74C89D40--P   ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2001 23:16:36 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)e+ Subject: Re: Where I can get  Dec Migrate ?v' Message-ID: <9e1m4k$dr4$1@joe.rice.edu>h  0 Valdemir J. Santos (valdemir-@uol.com.br) wrote: : / : Where I can get Dec Migrate in the Internet ?r :y : Thanks...-  8  http://www.support.compaq.com/amt/decmigrate/index.html  Compaq: DECmigrated     --Jerry Leslie     l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:34:58 -04008- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>B+ Subject: Re: Where I can get  Dec Migrate ?z- Message-ID: <3B046E32.68D2FD8C@bellsouth.net>d  D This is cool... I used to work for DEC and was told that this was noH longer available.  Not to mention I have VAX image w/out sources, that IA needed VESTED.  I downloaded it, vested the image and IT WORKS!!!d   Michael Austin DBA Consultant   Jerry Leslie wrote:M  2 > Valdemir J. Santos (valdemir-@uol.com.br) wrote: > :D1 > : Where I can get Dec Migrate in the Internet ?t > : 
 > : Thanks...1 >$: >  http://www.support.compaq.com/amt/decmigrate/index.html >  Compaq: DECmigratej >z > --Jerry Leslie   ------------------------------   Date: 17 MAY 2001 17:49:38 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)< Subject: [DCPS] Page accounting for color laser PS printers?6 Message-ID: <17MAY01.17493841@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  D I've looked at the DCPS SPD and I'm wondering if there are any color= laser postscript printers that it can collect page accounting H information on (supported or not) for billing purposes. I briefly looked@ at the Genicom website and didn't notice any color laser printerG offerings. Is anyone counting pages on a color laser postscript printer, run via a DCPS queue?u   Thanks.a   ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2001 19:04:02 GMT- From: "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> 0 Subject: Re: [PATHWORKS-32] What is the future ?. Message-ID: <3b0420f6@kerberos.linuxpuppy.net>  J Well, one issue I could see is that PowerTerm is owned by Ericom Software,G out of Isreal, not Compaq.  I think they might want to continue to sell  their product.   --
 Bill Pedersen* CCSS Corporation CCSS Interactive Learning*
 www.VMS.St 831-336-2708 ================  7 "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in messagee$ news:3b040e57$1@news.kapsch.co.at...K > I recently heard of the end of PATHWORKS-32 (you know, the DECnet and LAT F > stack for Win32 clients, plus a Terminal Emulator PowerTerm525, plus > a X11 server eXcursion). >lG > As the TerminalEmulator and the previously sold as standalone product H > eXcursion got included to PATHWORKS-32 just to keep the product of anyH > or broader use (after Windows got a useable IP stack not so long ago),$ > this is of no real surprise to me. > K > BUT: I always found the PowerTerm and eXcursion good (enough) and cheaperoI > as products from the competion (like eXceed, PCXware, Reflection-X, ... E > or SmartTerm, KEAterm, Reflection, ...) so I don't like the idea ofaH > paying more money (to the competition) in the future, only because DEQ > decides this way.m >: > What I'd like to see is: >e2 > 1a) eXcursion sold as a standalone product again > 1b) eXcursion for free >e, > 2a) PowerTerm sold as a standalone product > 2b) PowerTerm for freeH > 2c) a good/supported JAVA based terminal emulator included in VMS (via CSWS)- >- > Any comments ? >- > --> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-8882> > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:08:43 -0300n) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brs0 Subject: Re: [PATHWORKS-32] What is the future ?L Message-ID: <OFC07AB707.CE68A93F-ON03256A4F.00637A05@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  G I just would like Pathworks for NT again - as a freeware or embeeded ine W2K.B Why ? Because we have a few applications which  are connecting  toA PCSA drives using DECNET, including one which was developed usinge DECNET APIs......(?????)  : And I will be able to turn off the two old VAX 4000  ! ! !   Regardsh   FC        ; eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) em 17/05/2001 14:45:59n  6 Favor responder a eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-      , Assunto: [PATHWORKS-32] What is the future ?    I I recently heard of the end of PATHWORKS-32 (you know, the DECnet and LATmD stack for Win32 clients, plus a Terminal Emulator PowerTerm525, plus a X11 server eXcursion).  E As the TerminalEmulator and the previously sold as standalone producthF eXcursion got included to PATHWORKS-32 just to keep the product of anyF or broader use (after Windows got a useable IP stack not so long ago)," this is of no real surprise to me.  I BUT: I always found the PowerTerm and eXcursion good (enough) and cheaperyG as products from the competion (like eXceed, PCXware, Reflection-X, ...tC or SmartTerm, KEAterm, Reflection, ...) so I don't like the idea oftF paying more money (to the competition) in the future, only because DEQ decides this way..   What I'd like to see is:  0 1a) eXcursion sold as a standalone product again 1b) eXcursion for free  * 2a) PowerTerm sold as a standalone product 2b) PowerTerm for freeF 2c) a good/supported JAVA based terminal emulator included in VMS (via CSWS)i   Any comments ?   --< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888g< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 18 May 2001 03:00:37 GMT/ From: Hans.Bachner@altavista.net (Hans Bachner)"0 Subject: Re: [PATHWORKS-32] What is the future ?( Message-ID: <9e1rdu.bq.1@hans.myfqdn.de>  + Peter LANGSTOEGER (eplan@kapsch.net) wrote:l   <snip>   >What I'd like to see is:y > 1 >1a) eXcursion sold as a standalone product again. >1b) eXcursion for freek <snip>  L Powerterm is not a Compaq product, but licensed from Ericom. You can buy it K as a standalone product from Ericom Software today (http://www.ericom.com).    Hope this helps, Hans.i   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.273 ************************