1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 19 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 275       Contents: BACKUP going to 2nd tape ?? P Re: Batch job on WAIT statement dies with %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normalsuccessful compP Re: Batch job on WAIT statement dies with %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normalsuccessful compP Re: Batch job on WAIT statement dies with %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normalsuccessful comp/ Re: Command to find graphics controller details / RE: Command to find graphics controller details  Compaq Digital Tee Shirt. $ DECC what to include for RTL calls ? Re: DFO on system disks  Free emulator to VMS...  Re: Free emulator to VMS...  Re: From seconds to delta-time Re: From seconds to delta-time" How to configure CGI on Vms-Apache& Re: How to configure CGI on Vms-Apache  Re: Jamie's Online Business Card Re: Opera browser  Re: Opera browser  OT: UPS monitoring software  Re: Page- and swapfile cleanup" Re: POSIX threads and word tearing Problems using CSWING % Re: Some more bits looking for a home  Re: sys$trnlnm Re: VAX Acronym  Re: VAX Acronym  Re: VAX Acronym  Re: VAX Acronym  vfork/exec question  VMS doc site master index   Re: What is "legacy free system"  RE: What is "legacy free system"( Why system startup hang at Audit server?, Re: Why system startup hang at Audit server?' Re: [PATHWORKS-32] What is the future ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 18 May 2001 19:03:48 GMT From: longrun@thesimpsons.com $ Subject: BACKUP going to 2nd tape ??* Message-ID: <9e3rmk$ihi$1@news.netmar.com>  2 I'm working on an automated tape backup script and0 I don't have any examples of what to expect when0 BACKUP splits a saveset across two tape volumes.. For instance, does anyone have any examples of0 what might appear in the .LOG file (when running) in batch) and / or the Listing file (a la  BACKUP/LIST=)?  2 At the start of procedure I'll prompt the Operator. for the ID numbers off of the backup tapes but1 then I want to be able to match up which savesets  are on which tape(s).   ) Sticky wicket so I'd appreciate any help. , Also think this may differ depending on the / version of BACKUP ... heard something about the & behaviour changing for the worse with / BACKUP > VMS 5.5 or thereabouts.  I'm currently # running VMS 6.2 (still) and using :   (         Image Identification Information           image name: "BACKUP"-         image file identification: "T6.2-FT3" /         link date/time:  5-DEC-1997 21:41:33.36 &         linker identification: "05-13"  3 If anyone has any answer please (if you don't mind) * post as well as email to the above address$ (take out the 'DELETETHIS.' string).   Thanks.         O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  ----- M   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups I    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts L made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:57:42 -0400 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> Y Subject: Re: Batch job on WAIT statement dies with %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normalsuccessful comp / Message-ID: <tgaokggqjomqbf@news.supernews.com>   K If the job was killed with a queue command (i.e. DELETE/ENTRY) it will have G a final status of JBC-F-JOBABORT.  If the batch process was killed with ? STOP/ID=pid then the final status will be successful and fairly J unpredictable.  The CSC should know this because I've been reporting it to# them periodically since about 1989.   C I've seen processes killed with STOP/ID=pid exit with a status of 1 9 (SYSTEM-S-NORMAL).  This was according to VMS accounting.   - <norm.raphael@jamesbury.com> wrote in message . news:C2256A50.005085F6.00@jklh21.valmet.com... >  > H > I have not tested, but the CSC says (paraphrasing) that if the job was "killed" > it would have a Job aborted J > status not a normal status.  If in fact the status "can be" normal, then it is ( > of course wildly possible that someoneG > did a stop/id and misstyped the id and will now never fess up.  Seems 	 unlikely,  > but one never knows.5 > So is it possible for a stop/id to log this status?  >  >  >  > * > John@mvpsi.com on 05/18/2001 10:15:39 AM > " > Please respond to John@mvpsi.com >  > To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  > cc: 5 > Subject:  Re: Batch job on WAIT statement dies with  %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normal 1 >       successful completion in accounting entry  >  >  >  > / > <norm.raphael@jamesbury.com> wrote in message 0 > news:C2256A4F.00744AC3.00@jklh21.valmet.com... > > B > > I just had a batch job end "normally" on "$WAIT 00:05:00" with2 > > %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completionJ > > in accounting entry.  The log file shows it was closed (modified) less > thanK > > a minute into the job, and the create and modify times on it are inside  > the J > > Start time and Finish time in the accounting entry by a few hundredths of > a  > >       second. > > > In short, it looks like the WAIT-statement was taken as an EXIT-statement.  > > : > > This is OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 on AS1200/533 in cluster. > > I > > Neither I nor support knows where to start on this one.  Any insights 
 > welcome. > >  > H > Did someone kill the job with STOP/ID=pid?  That will make a batch job= > complete successfully although the exit status isn't always K > %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL.  I'm not sure you can predict what the exit status will  be' > but it always seems to be successful.  > F > Hopefully, someone from OpenVMS engineering can comment on this bug. >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:26:38 -0400   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.comY Subject: Re: Batch job on WAIT statement dies with %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normalsuccessful comp 4 Message-ID: <C2256A50.0069E669.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  E Thanks, John, for the clarification.  I should have tested it myself. C I just submitted the batch, and, when it reached the WAIT statement E I did a STOP/ID= on the process.  Of course, the accounting log shows 9 %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL.  So obviously the process was STOPed by 2 person or thing unknown.  I _will_ update the CSC.  " Thanks again to all who responded.  ? Aside:  I don't know what you mean by "the final status will be % successful and fairly unpredictable." 7 Do you mean that $status will not always be %x10000001, ) but will always end in a "success" value? 9 If STOP/ID= executes a DELPRC, I'd guess the status would = always be that the DELPRC was "successful".  There is nothing  to write any other status.  = Maybe someone with a lot more internals knowledge than I have " (almost anyone) can speak to this.   -Norm           ( John@mvpsi.com on 05/18/2001 01:57:42 PM    Please respond to John@mvpsi.com   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  cc: 3 Subject:  Re: Batch job on WAIT statement dies with F       %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normalsuccessful completion in accounting entry        K If the job was killed with a queue command (i.e. DELETE/ENTRY) it will have G a final status of JBC-F-JOBABORT.  If the batch process was killed with ? STOP/ID=pid then the final status will be successful and fairly J unpredictable.  The CSC should know this because I've been reporting it to# them periodically since about 1989.   C I've seen processes killed with STOP/ID=pid exit with a status of 1 9 (SYSTEM-S-NORMAL).  This was according to VMS accounting.   - <norm.raphael@jamesbury.com> wrote in message . news:C2256A50.005085F6.00@jklh21.valmet.com... >  > H > I have not tested, but the CSC says (paraphrasing) that if the job was "killed" > it would have a Job aborted J > status not a normal status.  If in fact the status "can be" normal, then it is ( > of course wildly possible that someoneG > did a stop/id and misstyped the id and will now never fess up.  Seems 	 unlikely,  > but one never knows.5 > So is it possible for a stop/id to log this status?  >  >  >  > * > John@mvpsi.com on 05/18/2001 10:15:39 AM > " > Please respond to John@mvpsi.com >  > To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  > cc: 5 > Subject:  Re: Batch job on WAIT statement dies with  %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normal 1 >       successful completion in accounting entry  >  >  >  > / > <norm.raphael@jamesbury.com> wrote in message 0 > news:C2256A4F.00744AC3.00@jklh21.valmet.com... > > B > > I just had a batch job end "normally" on "$WAIT 00:05:00" with2 > > %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completionJ > > in accounting entry.  The log file shows it was closed (modified) less > thanK > > a minute into the job, and the create and modify times on it are inside  > the J > > Start time and Finish time in the accounting entry by a few hundredths of > a  > >       second. > > > In short, it looks like the WAIT-statement was taken as an EXIT-statement.  > > : > > This is OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 on AS1200/533 in cluster. > > I > > Neither I nor support knows where to start on this one.  Any insights 
 > welcome. > >  > H > Did someone kill the job with STOP/ID=pid?  That will make a batch job= > complete successfully although the exit status isn't always K > %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL.  I'm not sure you can predict what the exit status will  be' > but it always seems to be successful.  > F > Hopefully, someone from OpenVMS engineering can comment on this bug. >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:17:45 -0400 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> Y Subject: Re: Batch job on WAIT statement dies with %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,normalsuccessful comp / Message-ID: <tgb0r39f3upj7a@news.supernews.com>   - <norm.raphael@jamesbury.com> wrote in message . news:C2256A50.0069E669.00@jklh21.valmet.com... >  >  > G > Thanks, John, for the clarification.  I should have tested it myself. E > I just submitted the batch, and, when it reached the WAIT statement G > I did a STOP/ID= on the process.  Of course, the accounting log shows ; > %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL.  So obviously the process was STOPed by 4 > person or thing unknown.  I _will_ update the CSC. > $ > Thanks again to all who responded. > A > Aside:  I don't know what you mean by "the final status will be ' > successful and fairly unpredictable." 9 > Do you mean that $status will not always be %x10000001, + > but will always end in a "success" value? ; > If STOP/ID= executes a DELPRC, I'd guess the status would ? > always be that the DELPRC was "successful".  There is nothing  > to write any other status. >   K It's not always %x10000001 but it always seems to be an odd number.  I just C tried it and the final status was %x10118009 which is %CDU-S-NOMSG.   ? > Maybe someone with a lot more internals knowledge than I have $ > (almost anyone) can speak to this. >   " I would like to hear that as well.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:46:38 +0000 (UTC) ) From: jon@eoin.demon.co.uk (Jon Laughton) 8 Subject: Re: Command to find graphics controller details0 Message-ID: <9duove$e2c$2@INDY.eoin.demon.co.uk>  L Thanks for the info - got me a bit further. Now know it's a "PixelVision 3D" (whatever that is...)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 03:14:36 +0100 5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> 8 Subject: RE: Command to find graphics controller detailsN Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116D5A6@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>  J These are more commonly known as the ZLX-L series, the actual card is madeC by Dynamic Pictures and is supported on Alpha on the three main OS.   ; What sort of info were you after or just what card you had?    	Oliver    -----Original Message-----8 From: jon@eoin.demon.co.uk [mailto:jon@eoin.demon.co.uk]% Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 9:47 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 8 Subject: Re: Command to find graphics controller details    L Thanks for the info - got me a bit further. Now know it's a "PixelVision 3D" (whatever that is...)    ------------------------------    Date: 18 May 2001 19:30:43 -0700+ From: rxp2158@ix.netcom.com (ronald piazza) " Subject: Compaq Digital Tee Shirt.= Message-ID: <c3661f42.0105181830.6e881b8b@posting.google.com>   
 Greetings,  (     Can anyone supply a lead as to where+ I might procure a Compaq Digital tee shirt. * I have tried eBay + the AltaVista WEB site without much luck.   Thanx in adance,   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 01:26:35 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> - Subject: DECC what to include for RTL calls ? , Message-ID: <3B06040A.73218782@videotron.ca>  N HELP RTL LIB LIB$CVT_TO_INTERNAL_TIME suggests the use of various constants toT define what function is needed. But no mention of which module needs to be included.  N In the C run time library help, (such as HELP CC RUN printf ), there is almostO always a mention of which module needs to be included when using that function.     L I had to do a search in the DECC include directories to find the name of theL module that was needed to make CVT_TO_INTERNAL_TIME usage with the constants/ in the documentation (happens to be LIBDTDEF.H)     M Are VMS experts expected to know by heart what modules are needed for each of M the VMS RTL, is there some on-line source of what modules are needed for what N RTL/SYSTEM routine or is SEARCH still neeeded to find which module needs to beL included when yo use a particular RTL/SYSTEM routine whose constants are not  in STARLET.H or LIB$routines.h ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:18:55 +0200 4 From: "Andrea Wolf" <wolf.andrea@planet-interkom.de>  Subject: Re: DFO on system disks2 Message-ID: <DmkeMc93AHA.88@fnews1.vi-internet.de>  @ "The Scarlet Wombat" <coconut@netway.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag6 news:3.0.6.32.20010516121952.008886e0@209.251.64.26...I > Perhaps a very basic question, but can DFO 2.5 be used to defrag system L disks?  I know you cannot defrag the indexf.sys file while the system deviceG is mounted, but other than that, can you defrag a system disk while the  system is booted?  > I > Assuming you do regular defrags, if the answer is "yes," how might this D impact system performance on a VAX 64xx series box?  I suspect it is$ negative, but how much is the issue. >  > Thanks for any ideas,  >  > Dan Graham  J You **can** defrag the system disk while the system is up and running. But8 before you start any defrag-Jobs shou should execute the; @sys$system:setfilenomove command as described in the docs.   H During the defragmentation the job slows down the performance because it makes Io's. J But while creating the defragmentation script you can give him a priority.K Give him a priority less than 4 and other process which are accessing files % on the system disk will be preferred.    hope this helps 
 Peter Wolf   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 21:02:02 -0300 1 From: "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br>   Subject: Free emulator to VMS...< Message-ID: <001a01c0dff6$f47c7580$154c88c8@unipobjetivo.br>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C0DFDD.C934A190  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable    Hello all guys:   +    Is there any good free emulator to VMS ?       Thank you in advance...  + ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C0DFDD.C934A190  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>3 <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =  http-equiv=3DContent-Type>6 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2920.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>= <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all guys:</FONT></DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> F <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Is there any good free = emulator to VMS=20 ?</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> = <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Thank you in=20 % advance...</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   - ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C0DFDD.C934A190--    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:46:01 -0400 - From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> $ Subject: Re: Free emulator to VMS...- Message-ID: <3B05DE68.5A325E94@bellsouth.net>   ; emulator for what?  (What is it you are looking to emulate?t   "Valdemir J. Santos" wrote:u  F > Hello all guys:    Is there any good free emulator to VMS ?    Thank > you in advance...    ------------------------------   Date: 18 May 2001 21:58:33 GMT* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)' Subject: Re: From seconds to delta-time ) Message-ID: <9e45u9$i0m$1@hecate.umd.edu>   b In article <9e3eeg$r3b$1@neptunium.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotmail.c*m> writes:K >A wild guess and without trying it you might try just adding the number of L >seconds between 17-Nov-1858 and 31-Dec-1989 to your total. (You'll probablyH >then have to multiply it by 10**7 or just move it to a S9(11)V9(7) COMPC >field, if you are using a language that supports scaled integers.)i  M I don't recommend this.  I was experimenting with delta and absolute times iniN quadword format.  I thought I could, say, add 8640000 to a quadword to get theN time of the following day.  Not!  It gave wierd results.  I had to use the VMS1 time routiens to do this (I think lib$add_times).y   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edut   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:09:18 -0700 * From: Eric Ebinger <eebinger@telocity.com>' Subject: Re: From seconds to delta-time-7 Message-ID: <20010518220918.4475.cpmta@c007.snv.cp.net>-   Try-   "LIB$CVTF_TO_INTERNAL_TIME   The Convert External Time to Internal Time (F-Floating-Point Value) routine converts an external time interval into an OpenVMS internal format F-floating delta time." d       Eric Ebinger$ On Fri, 18 May 2001, JF Mezei wrote:   > N > I have a value in seconds since 31-dec-1989. I need to transform this to vms > binary time on a VAX.n > A > is there a mathematical way to generate the quadword on a vax ?  > I > So far, I have done math to divide the seconds into days, hours minutes M > seconds, generated a VMS format string and then done $BINTIM to get it as ahK > delta time after which I cxan adjust it with the base time as well as anyp% > timezone offset. Ugly but it works.g > I > But surely there is a better way to generate the quadword ?  Or is thatf- > something which a 32 bit machine can't do ?o > C > Also, how many units of VMS binary time does 1 second represent ?g   ------------------------------    Date: 18 May 2001 12:32:47 -0700  From: rchauhan@bbm.ca (Ravinder)+ Subject: How to configure CGI on Vms-Apache4= Message-ID: <2d7096d5.0105181132.2239572f@posting.google.com>a   Hi,n  B I have successfully installed Apache and Perl_mod on my Alpha 4100E OpenVms 7.2-1H server. So far I am able to start my webserver and can-D browse. But I want run cgi script from cgi-bin directory. However, IB don't know how and where to configure webserver to run cgi or perlC script. I understand that I need to define some logicals to make itIC run. I would appreciate if someone could help me to configure this.e   Thanks,  Ravinder   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:48:48 -04004- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> / Subject: Re: How to configure CGI on Vms-Apachei- Message-ID: <3B057CA0.923D3462@bellsouth.net>s  7 It is done in the HTTPD.CONF file looks something like:w  - ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/apache$root/cgi-bin/")   #iI # "/apache$root/cgi-bin" should be changed to whatever your ScriptAliasedd  4 # CGI directory exists, if you have that configured. #lD # The /htbin directory invokes the OSUscript module, The DECnet task stringB # should be customized to invoke the OSU web server's scriptserver object.d #t <Location /htbin>w      SetHandler osuscript-handler+     OSUscript 0::"0=WWWEXEC" www_root:[bin]      Order allow,deny     Allow from all </Location>C" <Directory "/apache$root/cgi-bin">     AllowOverride None     Options None     Order allow,deny     Allow from all </Directory>   Michael AustinI DBA Consultant  (and OpenVMS Web Master...  well maybe a web dweeb anyway  ....)    Ravinder wrote:c   > Hi,d >pD > I have successfully installed Apache and Perl_mod on my Alpha 4100G > OpenVms 7.2-1H server. So far I am able to start my webserver and canpF > browse. But I want run cgi script from cgi-bin directory. However, ID > don't know how and where to configure webserver to run cgi or perlE > script. I understand that I need to define some logicals to make it E > run. I would appreciate if someone could help me to configure this.f >c	 > Thanks,n
 > Ravinder   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 02:01:49 GMT , From: "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.com>) Subject: Re: Jamie's Online Business Cardo: Message-ID: <hukN6.5780$bv2.2404853@typhoon.austin.rr.com>  = In message <20010517183439.B08BD13634@falcon.dircanmail.com>,s jlynch@dircanmail.com wrote:" > Please Click Link For an Example .. >  tH >     We comply with proposed federal legislation regarding unsolicited G >     commercial e-mail by providing you with a method for your e-mail  I >     address to be permanently removed from our database and any future  ! >     mailings from our company.  ? >     To remove your address, please send an e-mail message to   >     remove@dircanmail.com  >    OK.s $start:y $mailt send remove@dircanmail.comi remove remove $wait 00:05:00 I $goto startw   -- e4 Jay E. Morris Epsilon 3 Productions www.epsilon3.com@ Posted with Ink Spot (for Windows CE) from DejaVu Software, Inc.8 Usenet wherever you are - http://www.dejavusoftware.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 01:50:59 +0200a) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>  Subject: Re: Opera browser, Message-ID: <3B05B563.B9192D11@infopuls.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > j > In article <OFB8AE5EB5.2786550A-ON88256A4F.0079FFEC@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes: > > O > > Observations suggest it's OK. The pay version doesn't appear on the spywarerK > > infested software list, and there are people using ethernet sniffers to,O > > check. 'Course, they could always be doing some funky kind of encryption so, > > it doesn't show up.  > H > It could be waiting two years to start reporting, after it is popular.  > Do you think their business will then continue. If not: do you; think they would have earned enough money then? What do youa< think of negotiating a special licence agreement for the VMS= version which specifically excludes all that sort of activityy? and would include a very high fee they had to pay if they brakeg
 the contract?    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 02:01:49 GMTo, From: "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.com> Subject: Re: Opera browser: Message-ID: <hukN6.5778$bv2.2405375@typhoon.austin.rr.com>  D In message <OF324B0CEA.5DAE9972-ON88256A4F.00727F78@foundation.com>," Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > I > 5 now. Any more? Bear in mind we need people willing to pay the $20 for  theSL > commercial version rather than the ad-infested (and spyware infested) free
 > version. >  > Shanee > F Ye-up, put me down for $20.  Shoot, I might even go as high as $21.50! --  4 Jay E. Morris Epsilon 3 Productions www.epsilon3.com@ Posted with Ink Spot (for Windows CE) from DejaVu Software, Inc.8 Usenet wherever you are - http://www.dejavusoftware.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 02:01:49 GMTT, From: "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.com>$ Subject: OT: UPS monitoring software: Message-ID: <hukN6.5779$bv2.2404801@typhoon.austin.rr.com>  8 In message <9e2002$8i7$2@odo.ecs.umass.edu>, Joe Heimann" <heimann@nog.ecs.umass.edu> wrote: ......J > At the consumer level, small office and home sized UPS's have been goingJ > towards USB for the serial connection instead of a RS-232 based one.  ItJ > looks like some of the "PC centric" manufacturers are doing this so theyH > can sell to both the PC and Mac owners who want the ability to monitorI > power and auto-shutdown.  I have not heard if anyone has scoped out the I > signals being sent over the USB link yet, so have no idea how robust itpI > will be against the kind of situation outlined.  Hopefully it will be ao: > bit more robust than the APC software on a serial line.  > I And speaking of UPSes, what UPS maker is still providing VMS software?  IeL got some Best Power models.  I had to spend hours on the phone two years agoK getting an update for the Alphas.  It *appears* that APC doesn't support iti< anymore.  All the references I found were 3 or 4 years old.    -- t4 Jay E. Morris Epsilon 3 Productions www.epsilon3.com@ Posted with Ink Spot (for Windows CE) from DejaVu Software, Inc.8 Usenet wherever you are - http://www.dejavusoftware.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:01:00 -0400e  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>' Subject: Re: Page- and swapfile cleanupT6 Message-ID: <1010518164205.16798A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  . On Fri, 18 May 2001, Richard D. Piccard wrote:  N > If I understand the queue manager correctly, one way to give a user only theN > privilege of shutting down the system is to have a batch queue that is ownedH > by that user, into which SYSTEM has submitted a shutdown job (or other@ > sufficiently privileged account with SUBMIT/USER=SYSTEM).  TheJ > nearly-unprivilieged user, as owner of the queue can release the job andN > change its parameters.  It may be necessary to use ACLs on the queue, I haveO > only actually done this on recent versions of VMS by granting OPER privilege, ( > which may be more than you want to do.  E If you have a bunch of users that you want to be able to do this, youmD should be able to make the queue belong to an identifier rather thanF a particular user, and then grant that identifier to the set of users.  C In authorize, add/id shutdown, then create the queue with its ownerhF as shutdown (HELP says the owner should be a UIC, but it seems to take; generic ID's just fine.)  If the queue already exists, set fI queue/owner=shutdown else if it's a new queue, init/queue/owner=shutdown.rD Then in authorize, grant the "shutdown" identifier to the users with "grant/id shutdown user1", etc.h  = (You can see who has been granted "shutdown" with authorizes'n< show/id shutdown/full.  It will list the holders of the id.)  @ This is just scratching the surface of rights identifiers, which are an extremely powerful tool.e  E (you could also create a queue belonging to one id, but grant anothers7 id control access through an ACL applied to the queue.)   8 > The shutdown job re-submits itself /HOLD and then does > F > $ run/detach/user=SYSTEM SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT/input=batchshutdown.com > C > where batchshutdown.com does an @SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 'P1 'P2 ....l > E > Last minute control (should it reboot or not) can be done by havingi> > batchshutdown.com pass its parameters (or some of them) intoM > SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.  The two-step process  avoids having the shutdown hangd3 > at the point when the queue manager is shut down.i > % >                                 RDP  >  >  > Rudolf Wingert wrote:u > 
 > > Hello, > >iI > > we do have an OpenVMS system for our security work. Is it possible totH > > cleanup the page- and swapfile before shutdown (like Windows)? Or isJ > > it possible to protect the files against user access (no user can readN > > the content)? If it is not possible to read the content of this two files,( > > then we must not cleanup this files.E > > An additional question, is the best way to install an priviledged H > > "shutdown" user, which can't do anything except shutdown the system. > >S" > > TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert >  > --D > ==================================================================D > Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerD > piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesD > http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University >  >  >  >    -- w John Santosl Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:32:46 -0400o' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>i+ Subject: Re: POSIX threads and word tearing8( Message-ID: <9e4lt2$lpu$1@pyrite.mv.net>  , "Dima Volodin" <dvv@dvv.ru> wrote in message0 news:3b093aca.72339003@news-server.cox.rr.com...; > In message <3B052236.11C72762@web.de>, Alexander Terekhov. <terekhov@web.de>, > wrote: >- > >POSIX > >-7 > >"Applications shall ensure that access to any memoryM0 >                                            ^^^8 > > location by more than one thread of control (threads6 > > or processes) is restricted such that no thread of6 > > control can read or modify a memory location while7 > > another thread of control may be modifying it. Suchn9 > > access is restricted using functions that synchronizec5 > > thread execution and also synchronize memory withn > > respect to other threads." >cJ > Which is to say the standard doesn't make any exceptions about what kind ofK > memory location is protected by a mutex and, as worded, an implementationE shallMH > make it safe to access "any memory location" of any alignment provided thatB > either the accessed object is not modified by other threads or a
 particularL > mutex is used to guard the access to the object. Also, if an object is notL > accessed from other threads, it should be safe to access it even though itL > shares a word of memory with objects that are accessed from other threads.  L Well, the other way to interpret the statement is that 'access to any memoryJ location' refers to the entire entity (e.g., a full machine word) accessedH by the processor (i.e., outside the context of any cache that deals withJ inter-processor coherence), rather than only to that portion of the entityL referred to in the source code (e.g., an individual byte).  In which case it@ is simply stating that applications are responsible for avoidingB word-tearing.  After all, it is the processor (not the source-codeJ statement) that is actually performing the access, and if the access is inI fact coarser than the source code might suggest, then the above statement H simply makes applications responsible for understanding and allowing for this.i   - bill    AndF > if an implementation suffers from word tearing, it's not a compliantE > implementation. And I don't think that it's what the authors of thes standard > intended.B > L > Do we have any definition of what "memory location" means in POSIX? I only wish > that POSIX had something like K > http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6493/6101pro_007.html#gran_sec  >e
 > >alexander.h >  > Dima   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:30:54 -0700t! From: Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com>c Subject: Problems using CSWING+ Message-ID: <3B05DADE.453FA531@tmisnet.com>e  B I'm having an annoying problem when I use CSWING from the freewareF disk.  I've tried it on Alphas running OpenVMS V7.1 and V7.2-1H1.  TheA problem is that very often while using the arrow keys to navigatecC arround the CSWING directory tree the escape sequences keep gettingEF munged and it is interpreting the arrow key as just a letter.  This of course is very frustraiting.  4 Has anyone had this problem and how did they fix it?   TIAl   Cass Witkowski   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:22:15 -0600-4 From: Brian Inglis <Brian.dot.Inglis@Compuserve.com>. Subject: Re: Some more bits looking for a home8 Message-ID: <f0f9gtcoa665l93obfmc421cu9ao8tbue6@4ax.com>  0 On Sat, 12 May 2001 13:30:04 +0100, Aidan Karley> <aidan@karley.go-and-spam-me-you-sweaty-toads.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:  J >In article <slrn9fl1kt.tr5.pino+alt_sys_pdp11@mud.stack.nl>, Martijn van  >Buul wrote:K >> I hope you're not too keen on bandwidth, and I hope that you don't want g >> any nifty things like NAT...D >>G >     We get 28k ~ 33k6 bit/S through the phone lines depending on the  I >phase of the Moon; when I asked the local ADSL provider to check when a rL >higher bandwidth would be available on my exchange they laughed. Out loud. 2 >Which I take to mean "some time in 2010, maybe". G >     I thought that things like NAT were done at the ISP's end of the 0H >phone cable, not mine? But then I've only ever seen one system in town H >with anything other than a modem connection, so that might be complete 
 >bollocks. >     I >     What's the maximum bandwidth of the serial multiplexor on a PDP? I lJ >assume they can talk to modems, even if it takes a little jiggery-pokery.  > If it's a 16 line DH11 with DM11 (modem control) you've got an> early FIFO buffered mux that will handle 16 x 9.6kbps, but youA probably could not afford to make simultaneous calls on all thosee: lines, even if you had a rack of cheap modems and your ISP: supported bonding more than two lines together on a single logical link.   ? If it's an 8 line DZ11, you might be able to run a few lines att, 9.6kbps if the modem connections are short.   ; IIRC you needed a KMC11, DUP11 or something with smarts andm/ memory to run faster than 9.6kbps on an 11/70. u  9 Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis 	Calgary, Alberta, Canadae -- nF Brian.Inglis@CSi.com 	(Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca),     fake address		use address above to reply tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@cadvision.com abuse@ibsystems.com uce@ftc.gov 						spam traps   ------------------------------   Date: 18 May 2001 20:18 PDTl) From: rankin@eql.caltech.edu (Pat Rankin)- Subject: Re: sys$trnlnm / Message-ID: <18MAY200120183284@eql.caltech.edu>i  M In article <rdeininger-1805011037560001@user-2iveci9.dialup.mindspring.com>,\17  rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes..._L > The logical names for process-permanent logical names like sys$output haveF > some extra stuff in them.  This is documented somewhere, but I don'tK > remember exactly where.  I think the bytes you are seeing are the address0J > of a FIB or some other internal data structure.  Memory is very vague on > this.a  >      In the V5 doc set (the only one I have handy access to at< the moment), it's described in "Logical Name and Equivalence= Name Format Conventions", section 6.1.7 of the _Introduction_u@ _to_System_Services_ manual (volume 4A of the programming subset of the full docs).  2                 Pat Rankin, rankin@eql.caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:09:55 -0400u  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: VAX Acronym6 Message-ID: <1010518170250.16798B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  0 VAX Architecture Handbook, 1981 edition, page 1:? "The letters VAX suggest the premier feature of VAX computers -8 Virtual Address eXtension."m  > Someone else gave the same quote, but I don't think they citedC the source, which is pretty authoritative.  However, the "suggests"mD sounds to me that the wording came from a committee that didn't likeB the original definition, or maybe there was an argument about what the letters really stood for.a  . On Fri, 18 May 2001, Richard D. Piccard wrote:  3 > I always thought it was Vitual Address eXtension.r > % >                                 RDP  >  >  > ADR wrote: > G > > I thought VAX was Virtual Address Transfer (with X being a "symbol"g > > for transfer). >  > --D > ==================================================================D > Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerD > piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesD > http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University >  >  >  >    -- i John Santose Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2001 06:51:13 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: VAX Acronym- Message-ID: <8766eyi84e.fsf@prep.synonet.com>h  " John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:  2 > VAX Architecture Handbook, 1981 edition, page 1:A > "The letters VAX suggest the premier feature of VAX computers -" > Virtual Address eXtension."o  D > Someone else gave the same quote, but I don't think they cited theA > source, which is pretty authoritative.  However, the "suggests"yF > sounds to me that the wording came from a committee that didn't likeD > the original definition, or maybe there was an argument about what > the letters really stood for.   6 I think you may have hit the retro naming on the head.  + It was The Virtual Address ExtendED 11/770.l  A The 770 became 780 as soon as someone noticed that the 7s and the ? VA looked a lot like SS in it infamous form. This was before it / got out at all, so it was 780 to all the world.    -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.h@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov .   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 21:34:36 -0400c' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>o Subject: Re: VAX Acronym< Message-ID: <howard-D9B606.21343618052001@enews.newsguy.com>  / In article <gq33e9.kln.ln@momsys.fuller.local>,m=  "Stuart R. Fuller" <stu@c49395-a.wodhvn1.mi.home.com> wrote:   K > It was an excellent answer.  As a matter of fact, it was the only correct  > answer posted so far.n  M Well, he didn't ask what the acronym stood for, but only if anyone knew what o
 it stood for.o --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 05:37:37 GMTo; From: "Stuart R. Fuller" <stu@c49395-a.wodhvn1.mi.home.com>t Subject: Re: VAX Acronym/ Message-ID: <hn05e9.dvn.ln@momsys.fuller.local>-  " Shane.F.Smith@healthnet.com wrote:  K : If none of the answers so far have been right, even though most were fromjL : usually very well informed people, would you care to supply the right one,	 : please?r   : Shane   J Recall that the question was "Does anyone know what the VAX acronym stands' for?", and the correct answer is "Yes."e           Stut   ------------------------------   Date: 18 May 2001 22:31:15 GMT% From: "Paul Dembry" <pade@trifox.com>u Subject: vfork/exec question0 Message-ID: <9e47rj$ijn@dispatch.concentric.net>  H I am modifying our old server architecture to use vfork/exec to start upI proxy servers.  The old method was that the listener became the proxy buteJ just before it did that, it did a $CREPRC of a new listener.  Crude but itC worked ok for many years.  Now that our servers get many connectionnL requests/second, this is no longer acceptable because the $creprc turnaroundJ time is too slow.  I modified this to be like our Unix version where thereG is only one listener who just forks/execs proxys.  This all works great0K except for one tiny flaw.  If the parent process dies (the one that did theOD vfork/execs), all the vfork'd processes die.  Is this an unavoidableK consequence of the vfork() implementation or is there some way around this?hE The child processes all set SIGHUP to ignore but this does not make ae difference.w   This is all on OpenVMS 7.2 AXP.  Thanks,l Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:36:11 -0700 , From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>" Subject: VMS doc site master index3 Message-ID: <9e3q2h$rr00$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>i  F So  who was the genius that decided the VMS master index should be pdfJ format and not also html like most everything else?  It would be MUCH more useful? to have it indexed similar to the indexes in the other manuals.o   Jimm   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:03:34 -0700k! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comr) Subject: Re: What is "legacy free system"uD Message-ID: <OFC1A3EECA.CF89EB3A-ON88256A50.0062DB64@foundation.com>  E I have successfully used a Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse on my J AS200. They're battery powered, and talk to the same radio receiver, whichI has a couple of standard PS/2 connectors dangling off it. I can get 10 or - so feet away, although the box only claims 6.n  K Sucks for programming though, the keyboard layout is PC. Maybe I'll open iteE someday and see if I can do something about that with an old LK450, av% hacksaw and a soldering iron..... :-)i   Shanei          = fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br on 05/18/2001 11:07:26 AMn  ! To:   Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com  cc:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma  * Subject:  Re: What is "legacy free system"    A About keyboards ..... or operating systems input interfaces ... :y  E - Is anyone thinking in change the Alphaserver keyboards (OpenVMS) bytE an IPAQ interface ? Imagine managing OpenVMS servers using a wirelessdH interface - having the ability to monitor the operating system remotely.D To give commands to OpenVMS just using a "pen"... or giving commands to Tru64, WNT, Linux, etc .....f  B Ok, ok.. I gave you the idea, and  someone with strong programming
 backgroundC will patent my idea and earn milions of dollars in this product....l   Regards    FC        2 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com em 18/05/2001 14:28:47  - Favor responder a Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comu             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml      ) Assunto: Re: What is "legacy free system"f      K That begs an interesting question. Are VMS layout keyboards still availablenI new? I'm stockpiling LK450-AA's - the PC guys here are kind enough to useiD my desk as a "dumpster" occasionally when they throw an old one out.   Shanew          F rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) on 05/18/2001 07:15:47 AM  > Please respond to rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma cc:   * Subject:  Re: What is "legacy free system"    < In article <87vgmzhsbm.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:  9 > Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> writes:  >t% > >     Answering two questions here.f > C > > 1) Why USB for low speed devices like modems., keyboards, mice,eG > > printers it works well.  With USB 2.0 and 480 MBits disks make some F > > sense.  VMS support is driven by the hardware groups desire to get5 > > rid of the PS/2 ports, serial and parallel ports.u >i <...>u  G > It is so obviously a good idea. Look what a huge win the Desk-top BushD > is. er, was. And the huge range of VMS supported 'stuff' that usesG > USB... Extra function? does it mean we can plug in multiple KB, mice,l? > and graphics cards and run multi-head easilly? I suspect not.f  G VMS folks (Hoff and others, IIRC) have discussed this here in the past.cH Reading between the lines, I think there will be some effort to make theC software support multiple KB and mice.  Multiple graphics cards areb already supported.  J A problem with USB KBs and mice seems to be that the cheapo commodity onesF tend not to have unique serial numbers in the firmware, which makes itD hard for a system to tell one from another.  The USB standard allows? (requires) serial numbers in firmware, but vendors cut corners.   B Evidently the other problem with some devices is that they tend toC violoate the USB standard in various interesting ways.  Each randomeH commodity device is likely to need some special code in the driver which works around the device's bugs.l   > F > > 2) Legacy free systems are those systems that have no PS/2, serial > > and parallel ports.a  I > Adding Firewire would dd functions that are not presently there. AddingoG > USB is a stupid move, it adds nothing, but will require a huge amountf@ > of work in the field if serial and parallel ports are removed.  C I suppose there will be PCI adapters that add several serial and/orbG parallel ports.  I think some of the big alphas have already used thesenH for consoles, and you add one for each galactic partition you need.  USB. to serial/parallel adapters are also possible.  G Probably the hardware folks will be forced into this.  When the PC stop H using legacy keyboards and mice, the chipsets that support them in alphaI systems will stop being cheap, and will eventually not even be available.   J Of course, if we have to get USB keyboards, there BETTER be some availableI with the standard VMS layout.  Or I'll be at the front of the mob with myr torch and pitchfork....0   -- Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comj   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:17:36 -0500m+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>n) Subject: RE: What is "legacy free system"rL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1E7B@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----+ > From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brr  C > About keyboards ..... or operating systems input interfaces ... :   G > - Is anyone thinking in change the Alphaserver keyboards (OpenVMS) byoG > an IPAQ interface ? Imagine managing OpenVMS servers using a wirelessi: > interface - having the ability to monitor the operating  > system remotely.F > To give commands to OpenVMS just using a "pen"... or giving commands! > to Tru64, WNT, Linux, etc .....   D > Ok, ok.. I gave you the idea, and  someone with strong programming > backgroundE > will patent my idea and earn milions of dollars in this product....t  J If you're asking what I think you're asking -- remote control of a VMS boxC from an iPAQ, I think it's a terrible idea, since iPAQs are full oftH microshaft code.  I have a feeling there are lots of people with "strong) programming backgrounds" who would agree.c  I On a more functional note, giving commands with a pen would be completelyeI useless for command-line intensive things, until writing recognition getsrL better.  Even then, I'm much faster with a keyboard, as, I imagine, are most6 people who would be in a position to use such a thing.  D On the other hand, if you want to do it, there are terminal programsJ available for iPAQ, I'm sure.  Get one, and find a cheap peesee machine to& use as an infrared<->ethernet gateway.  I Otherwise, why use an iPAQ?  Palm, Psion, or Agenda (a little linux-basednK handheld -- I have one, and it tends to work pretty well) would likely be aiA better choice.  I hear that iPAQs are terrible on batteries, too.o   Regards,   Chriss  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developeri Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");p 'a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 06:07:02 +0800A+ From: Open VMS beginner <cavy@hongkong.com>t1 Subject: Why system startup hang at Audit server? , Message-ID: <3B059D05.CF68C8A8@hongkong.com>  E Does anyone know what is Audit server? Cos the system startup hang atr "wait for audit server startup"y system:VAX4000-200, 32MB memoryg   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:10:09 -0400g( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>5 Subject: Re: Why system startup hang at Audit server?0+ Message-ID: <3B05ABD1.A62439CA@bigfoot.com>n  0 How much disk space is left on your system disk?   Open VMS beginner wrote:  G > Does anyone know what is Audit server? Cos the system startup hang ate! > "wait for audit server startup"n! > system:VAX4000-200, 32MB memorye   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:26:37 -0400n3 From: "Brad McCusker" <Brad.McCuskerSP@Mcompaq.com> 0 Subject: Re: [PATHWORKS-32] What is the future ?2 Message-ID: <76jN6.538$fi2.12782@news.cpqcorp.net>  7 "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in messagex$ news:3b051f0d$1@news.kapsch.co.at...E > In article <1st9gt8tsqbh4ovpqc6ku40honqra3f6nu@4ax.com>, Alan Greigr <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: > >CH > >At www.openvms.compaq.com/pathworks32/  there is no mention of end ofJ > >life and it talks of future releases. Where did you here about its end? >+4 > DECUS Symposium in Berlin/Germany (Brad was there) >t  L I don't recall my exact words, but, there is no plan at this time to release newdL versions, nor update for new Windows versions, etc.  Current version supportK continues to be provided, and, to the best of my knowledge there is no plan  toG stop supporting the current version (PATHWORKS-32 V7.2)  Of course, I'maL server engineering, not client engineering, and inquiries should be directed to the client product manager.   L > As I understand it, they _discuss_ the end (Note: the end of PATHWORKS-32,@ > but NOT the end of Advanced Server - ASOVMS will continue, its
 functionality0K > will extend, will/may also run on VAX, so that PATHWORKS V6 may/will alsow end)  H You understand correctly.  Lots of new stuff in the works for the server	 products.    Regards,   Brad --( The opinions expressed herein are my own' and do not reflect those of my employere or anyone else.    Brad   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.275 ************************