1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 22 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 281       Contents: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: 7.3 back compatibility kits  Re: Backup to CD?  Re: Backup to CD? ; DNS questions 1:M host_name:host_address (address ordering) ; Re: error: DECW$DEVICE-I_NODEVICE, no graphics device found ; Re: error: DECW$DEVICE-I_NODEVICE, no graphics device found ; Re: error: DECW$DEVICE-I_NODEVICE, no graphics device found ; Re: error: DECW$DEVICE-I_NODEVICE, no graphics device found  Re: Free emulator to VMS...  Re: Free emulator to VMS...  Re: ftp scripting ) Hobbyist DECNET License (was: VMS<->RSTS) - Re: Hobbyist DECNET License (was: VMS<->RSTS) - Re: Hobbyist DECNET License (was: VMS<->RSTS)  Re: OT: UPS monitoring software  Re: OT: UPS monitoring software  Re: OT: UPS monitoring software ! Re: Pascal program not running...  PGP for VMS 6.2  Re: PGP revisited  PWS 433a/au and EIDE Disks Re: PWS 433a/au and EIDE Disks' random printer resets on LPD to HP 2200  Re: Recognising a LAT Service  SCSI Cluster Problem Re: SCSI Cluster Problem Re: SCSI Cluster Problem Re: SCSI Cluster Problem Show Device D Problems Re: Show Device D Problems/ Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants  TZ88: read performance ?) Re: VMS BASIC and IP Performance Question E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc 
 VMS<->RSTS Re: VMS<->RSTS Re: VMS<->RSTS Re: VMS<->RSTS Re: VMS<->RSTS& Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware question* [Change topic] Quintessential cluelessness7 Re: [DCPS] Page accounting for color laser PS printers? 7 Re: [DCPS] Page accounting for color laser PS printers? 7 Re: [DCPS] Page accounting for color laser PS printers? 7 Re: [DCPS] Page accounting for color laser PS printers?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:55:56 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq ' Message-ID: <3B0972CC.6974972C@fsi.net>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > D > Do you want Compaq to offer affordable VMS workstations, marketingL > initiatives that focus on enterprise products (instead of PCs), more Alpha > or VMS Diamond Forums, etc?  > @ > Best way to let 'em know is to use the online advocacy tool at > www.compaqworkinggroup.org > L > You'll need to register and fill out a profile to participate, but you canN > submit issues (and vote on previously submitted issues) anonymously. You canG > also view Compaq's response to the last round of issue submission and 	 > voting.  > L > This mechanism is still far from perfect, but it does offer a conduit intoK > Compaq and all input is reviewed by appropriate folks within the company.   G The response from Compaq, however, is not encouraging - mostly just the F same old same-old: lots of marketing/advertising bits (too bad this isG only one of the few-and-far-between opportunities for *THIS* to see the F light of day) and repeating what has failed to impress in the past and still fails to impress.   G Nothing new of any real substance, AFAICS. I should note, however, that H this is based on a cursory skimming of the response .PDF (13,098KB) with# an Affordability and OpenVMS focus.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:13:51 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq < Message-ID: <3GeO6.1613$QP6.1879708@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3B0972CC.6974972C@fsi.net...  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > > F > > Do you want Compaq to offer affordable VMS workstations, marketingH > > initiatives that focus on enterprise products (instead of PCs), more Alpha  > > or VMS Diamond Forums, etc?  > > B > > Best way to let 'em know is to use the online advocacy tool at > > www.compaqworkinggroup.org > > J > > You'll need to register and fill out a profile to participate, but you can L > > submit issues (and vote on previously submitted issues) anonymously. You can I > > also view Compaq's response to the last round of issue submission and  > > voting.  > > I > > This mechanism is still far from perfect, but it does offer a conduit  intoD > > Compaq and all input is reviewed by appropriate folks within the company. > I > The response from Compaq, however, is not encouraging - mostly just the H > same old same-old: lots of marketing/advertising bits (too bad this isI > only one of the few-and-far-between opportunities for *THIS* to see the H > light of day) and repeating what has failed to impress in the past and > still fails to impress.  > I > Nothing new of any real substance, AFAICS. I should note, however, that J > this is based on a cursory skimming of the response .PDF (13,098KB) with% > an Affordability and OpenVMS focus.   H I concur with all of the above. The advertising is nice, but how many ofH those enterprise ads have you seen in the trade press? In general, I seeC plenty of IBM, Sun, and HP enterprise-focused ads; Compaq generally L advertises Presarios. This serves to reinforce the perception that Compaq is a peecee company.   E As for affordable Alpha workstations, you are right, the response was H totally inadequate. It's clearly an important issue, as evidenced by theJ number of voters willing to pay a 2X Intel price for an Alpha workstation.C And, of course, as evidenced by the polling data at www.djesys.com.   L If customers keep hammering Compaq on this (and other) issues, perhaps the cL ompany will get the message. If several hundred "we want an affordable AlphaJ workstation" issue submissions are logged during the current cycle, CompaqH will have little choice but to provide a better response than what we'veH seen so far. Unlike Usenet commentary, the data gathered by the advocacyH mechanism is seen and reviewed at the vice-presidential level, hence theE tool provides customers with an opportunity to influence the company.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:32:50 -0500 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> ! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq 8 Message-ID: <9ec1k4$3i2$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  C This is good but I wonder how wide spread this is?  My guess is the C interested audience could very well be much larger than those here.    Question is: how to reach them?   2 Perhaps a mention at www.compaq.com?  Other ideas?   Dave...   ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 7 news:_%bO6.10837$5X4.2744098@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... D > Do you want Compaq to offer affordable VMS workstations, marketingL > initiatives that focus on enterprise products (instead of PCs), more Alpha > or VMS Diamond Forums, etc?  > @ > Best way to let 'em know is to use the online advocacy tool at > www.compaqworkinggroup.org > L > You'll need to register and fill out a profile to participate, but you canJ > submit issues (and vote on previously submitted issues) anonymously. You can G > also view Compaq's response to the last round of issue submission and 	 > voting.  > L > This mechanism is still far from perfect, but it does offer a conduit intoK > Compaq and all input is reviewed by appropriate folks within the company.  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:35:52 GMT + From: "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com> ! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq 4 Message-ID: <990480662.876006@ananke.eclipse.net.uk>   Terry,  I Just tried to sign up. All I seem to get is a string of javascript at the I top of the page. Im using my home PC and IE5.5 (YUK) I know I shoudnt but 2 its what I use at home. I have javascript enabled. Thus I can't sign up.  Andy  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 6 news:3GeO6.1613$QP6.1879708@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3B0972CC.6974972C@fsi.net...  > > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > > > H > > > Do you want Compaq to offer affordable VMS workstations, marketingJ > > > initiatives that focus on enterprise products (instead of PCs), more > Alpha ! > > > or VMS Diamond Forums, etc?  > > > D > > > Best way to let 'em know is to use the online advocacy tool at  > > > www.compaqworkinggroup.org > > > L > > > You'll need to register and fill out a profile to participate, but you > can J > > > submit issues (and vote on previously submitted issues) anonymously. You  > can K > > > also view Compaq's response to the last round of issue submission and 
 > > > voting.  > > > K > > > This mechanism is still far from perfect, but it does offer a conduit  > intoF > > > Compaq and all input is reviewed by appropriate folks within the
 > company. > > K > > The response from Compaq, however, is not encouraging - mostly just the J > > same old same-old: lots of marketing/advertising bits (too bad this isK > > only one of the few-and-far-between opportunities for *THIS* to see the J > > light of day) and repeating what has failed to impress in the past and > > still fails to impress.  > > K > > Nothing new of any real substance, AFAICS. I should note, however, that L > > this is based on a cursory skimming of the response .PDF (13,098KB) with' > > an Affordability and OpenVMS focus.  > J > I concur with all of the above. The advertising is nice, but how many ofJ > those enterprise ads have you seen in the trade press? In general, I seeE > plenty of IBM, Sun, and HP enterprise-focused ads; Compaq generally K > advertises Presarios. This serves to reinforce the perception that Compaq  is > a peecee company.  > G > As for affordable Alpha workstations, you are right, the response was J > totally inadequate. It's clearly an important issue, as evidenced by theL > number of voters willing to pay a 2X Intel price for an Alpha workstation.E > And, of course, as evidenced by the polling data at www.djesys.com.  > L > If customers keep hammering Compaq on this (and other) issues, perhaps the c H > ompany will get the message. If several hundred "we want an affordable Alpha L > workstation" issue submissions are logged during the current cycle, CompaqJ > will have little choice but to provide a better response than what we'veJ > seen so far. Unlike Usenet commentary, the data gathered by the advocacyJ > mechanism is seen and reviewed at the vice-presidential level, hence theG > tool provides customers with an opportunity to influence the company.  >  >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:55:07 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq = Message-ID: <%8gO6.11233$5X4.2837566@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   < "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote in message2 news:9ec1k4$3i2$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com...E > This is good but I wonder how wide spread this is?  My guess is the E > interested audience could very well be much larger than those here.  > ! > Question is: how to reach them?  > 4 > Perhaps a mention at www.compaq.com?  Other ideas?  K I'd love to see a link on Compaq's home page and have suggested same. Alas, # it appears to be against The Rules.    ------------------------------   Date: 21 May 2001 23:21:29 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq , Message-ID: <9ec7tp$4c9@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  s In article <3GeO6.1613$QP6.1879708@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:   F >As for affordable Alpha workstations, you are right, the response wasI >totally inadequate. It's clearly an important issue, as evidenced by the K >number of voters willing to pay a 2X Intel price for an Alpha workstation. D >And, of course, as evidenced by the polling data at www.djesys.com.   Not to mention the even older:  .   http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/www/pcvms.html  I There's 295 responses on that list and nobody from DigiPaq ever asked me  K for them.  Roughly 4.5 million dollars in potential sales are logged there. I Of course now that information is getting very long in the tooth that the I data likely isn't worth much anymore.  Kind of like the status of the VMS ' franchise in the small system's arena.     > L >If customers keep hammering Compaq on this (and other) issues, perhaps the  >company will get the message.    . Much more likely hell will freeze over first.   H I'm going to miss VMS - but I'm going to be very happy never to have to C deal with Compaq management again.  I've finally learned my lesson:   -   Don't depend on a company with a death wish    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech  J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:02:19 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq = Message-ID: <f0iO6.11316$5X4.2923506@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   ? "David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in message & news:9ec7tp$4c9@gap.cco.caltech.edu...H > In article <3GeO6.1613$QP6.1879708@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C., Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > H > >As for affordable Alpha workstations, you are right, the response wasK > >totally inadequate. It's clearly an important issue, as evidenced by the @ > >number of voters willing to pay a 2X Intel price for an Alpha workstation.F > >And, of course, as evidenced by the polling data at www.djesys.com. >   > Not to mention the even older: > 0 >   http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/www/pcvms.html >   = Yup. Sorry for the omission, I am one of the 295 respondents!     J > There's 295 responses on that list and nobody from DigiPaq ever asked meF > for them.  Roughly 4.5 million dollars in potential sales are logged there.K > Of course now that information is getting very long in the tooth that the K > data likely isn't worth much anymore.  Kind of like the status of the VMS ( > franchise in the small system's arena. >  > > I > >If customers keep hammering Compaq on this (and other) issues, perhaps  the   > >company will get the message. > / > Much more likely hell will freeze over first.  >   L I wouldn't be so sure. Howard Elias seems to be quite interested in the dataJ gathered from this Web-based tool, although the participation thus far mayH be below the threshold of statistical significance. Having worked on theL issue collection and voting analysis process for the last balloting cycle, IL am confident that 295 votes on an "Affordable Alpha Workstation" issue wouldF generate some form of response from Compaq. 2000 votes would of course attract even more attention.  K We simply are not going to see a $995 VMS workstation. But there are people J within Compaq who realize that a Samsung UP1500-based system with 128MB ofJ memory, a 10GB disk, an entry 2D graphics card, and a VMS or Tru64 licenseJ could be built and profitably sold for $2995. This won't happen unless theE proponents of such a plan have supporting data, and the advocacy tool D provides a means by which such data can be gathered. Since Compaq isG investing resources in the advocacy tool, the firm will assign a higher J degree of relevance to the data collected from the tool than to "anecdotalK information" gathered from Usenet and similar sources. Assuming, of course, 7 that Compaq assigns ANY relevance to Usenet commentary.   J It takes less than five minutes to register at www.compaqworkinggroup.org,E and about the same amount of time to submit an issue. Give it a shot!    cheers,t   terry se   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:46:12 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq ' Message-ID: <3B09E104.6BA72798@fsi.net>    Dave Gudewicz wrote: > E > This is good but I wonder how wide spread this is?  My guess is themE > interested audience could very well be much larger than those here.n > ! > Question is: how to reach them?C > 4 > Perhaps a mention at www.compaq.com?  Other ideas?  G Anyone who would be interested in buying (I'm out of work right now, asIG the Chicago area OpenVMS job market is nearly as dead as the market forrG OpenVMS in the same area) T-shirts for wearing at {CETS2001,DFWdays,lug 5 metings,etc.}, please e-mail me privately indicating:S  = o how t-shirts many you might want and what size (default=XL) 7 o what you are willing to pay (before postage/handling)e4 o what the t-shirt should say (English only, please)  B Also: if you want an "Affordable OpenVMS" t-shirt, please indicateF quantity and preferred price. Perhaps if MC and/or RM are faced with aE general session room awash with these t-shirts, they might understandC2 that we're serious. (Hey, can't hurt to try, huh?)  G I can't offer charity, but I'll do what I can. Cash / money order only, E please. My severance package runs out at the end of August unless the H company goes belly-up first; so, I gotta either get back to work by then> or sell enough (something)s to pay the mortgage. If my sessionE submissions are accepted, dunno how I'll get to Anaheim or where I'lla& sleep (anyone know a good underpass?).  C How to de-mung my reply-to address should be obvious. I reserve the ? right to counter-offer on price if I would end up losing money.s   --   David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:49:25 -0500e1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>V! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaqt' Message-ID: <3B09E1C5.74B5C0DB@fsi.net>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:q > [snip]= > Unlike Usenet commentary, the data gathered by the advocacy J > mechanism is seen and reviewed at the vice-presidential level, hence theG > tool provides customers with an opportunity to influence the company.o  F Given suitable leverage, I'd make it mandatory for those folks to lurkG on Usenet at least 5 hours/week. We may not be the "movers, shakers andiF decision-makers", but that doesn't mean we've nothing valuable to say.   IMHO. YMMV, as always.   -- g David J. Dachterah dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 04:15:08 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq 1 Message-ID: <gJlO6.6$k3.1174@typhoon.aracnet.com>S  B In comp.os.vms Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:M > We simply are not going to see a $995 VMS workstation. But there are people.L > within Compaq who realize that a Samsung UP1500-based system with 128MB ofL > memory, a 10GB disk, an entry 2D graphics card, and a VMS or Tru64 licenseL > could be built and profitably sold for $2995. This won't happen unless the  G In light of the Sunblade 100 they really need to try and get that priceeH closer to the $995 than $2995.  Though if that $2995 included SCSI and aL 24-Bit graphics card I think I'd be trying hard to convince my wife I need aE new computer :^)  Shoot, I could probably live without the SCSI even.    			Zanei   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:58:56 GMT 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)e( Subject: Re: 7.3 back compatibility kits% Message-ID: <GDppE8.Az@world.std.com>   4 Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> writes:  C >A list appears in section 5.9.5 of the release notes manual in theu >hardcopy doc set.   >For 7.1 & 7.1-2 it suggests: D > DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_PORTS-V0100--4.PCSI (haven't got, can't find ??)A > ALPDRIV11_071 or alternatives (I've got *12_071, so that's OK).e/ > ALPMONT02_071 (found, downloaded to install).t* > ALPMOUN07_071 or alternatives (got, OK).( > ALPSHAD07_071 (don't use, don't care).D > DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0100--4.PCSI (found & downloaded *V0300--4)  A >The two PCSI kits are specified as 7.1-2. Does this mean there'sh> >something else for 7.1, or what ? And where's the PORTS kit ?  # >I'm presently on V7.1, by the way.e  D Upgrade to V7.1-2 and then apply the V7.1-2 patches.  V7.1-2 is V7.1E updated to contain the fixes in a bunch of V7.1 patch kits, with somes added hardware support as well.f   -Mikeo   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:08:27 -0400r  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: Backup to CD?6 Message-ID: <1010521164926.23886A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  & On 21 May 2001, Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:  1 > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:e > Q > > Yes, I think quite a few people are in this position. So, the multiple volumea> > > handling stuff, is that in the driver or the magtape ACP?  > H > I think it highly likely that the multi-volume tape capability is doneG > entirely by BACKUP itself (although there were a patch or two to tape G > drivers because the didn't give adequate warning of EOT). And BACKUP sI > likely keys off the device type, so you would have to modify the CD-ROMpH > driver to simulate a tape (BOT, EOF, EOT and all) and leave some space. > at the end, i.e., give an EOT warning early. >  > 	Jan    B It seems to me that backup has supported multi-volume disk backups@ forever.  I haven't used it for many years, but I vaguely recall> backing up an RA81 to multiple RA60's on a system with no tape drives.d  B I think it puts a minimal ODS-2 structure on the backup disk, then> creates the save-set in [000000].  When the disk gets full, itD dismounts the disk and you can mount the next one.  I don't rememberB if the 2nd and subsequent save-set files have the same name as the? 1st one or if there is some kind of sequence number in the file @ name.  I don't remember if backup would init the volumes for you# or if you had to pre-init each one.w  @ This should be easier than multi-volume tape backups, since tthe; disk driver can tell you how much room is left on the disk. > When free space=0, or when the extend fails (at the QIO level,= you need to extend a file before you can write to it), BACKUPn< just needs to close the file, dismount the disk, and ask you to mount the next volume.e  C On restores, when you hit EOF, backup just needs to close the file,VE dismount the disk, and wait for the next one.  I think this procedureo, is identical to a multi-volume tape restore.  C I also recall this same procedure worked fine for multi-volume RX01p? floppies on the VAX 11/780 console drive.  In fact, I think DECeD probably used BACKUP to make, e.g. VAX BASIC kits, which took 5 or 6B RX01's, using SYS$UPDATE:SPKITBLD.COM (makes VMSINSTAL-able kits.)  C If the CD-R driver can make the CD-R look like a regular disk, thisqC should work.  The only problem might be that backup might assume it C can re-write the file structure (i.e. INDEXF.SYS) as it goes.  This1B is probably the case, which would require a CD-RW drive and media,D rather than CD-R.  I suppose a special driver that could distinguish@ meta-data writes from data writes, and cached the metadata until@ dismount time (thus getting around the write-once problem) couldC solve this problem, assuming you can randomly write to CD-R's.  (Or " must they be writen sequentially?)   -- g John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:29:23 -0400 / From: Glenn or Mary Everhart <everhart@gce.com>t Subject: Re: Backup to CD?' Message-ID: <3B09C0F3.1A6A8734@gce.com>n  H Backup recognizes when it hits end of tape and does multivolume based onH reacting appropriately to this. It does not know or care about tape sizeE ahead of time. (Think of 9trk tapes where someone might have pulled a / couple hundred feet off the front of a tape...)o  E I'd suggest looking at W. Moeller's ztdriver which includes a virtualoG tape driver. A little backend tweaking and it should be possible to geta this working on multiple disks.   I Backup to CD is not best done this way though; you get savesets, but loseoH most of the advantage of direct addressing of the disk. I tend to preferL grabbing directories and files... get all that start with A, then B, then C,
 and so on.  L My Alcita board lets me have something like 130 gigs on my alpha, though, so> a backup device sized at 0.65GB is at best an imperfect match.     Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > 1 > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:b > Q > > Yes, I think quite a few people are in this position. So, the multiple volumet= > > handling stuff, is that in the driver or the magtape ACP?i > H > I think it highly likely that the multi-volume tape capability is doneG > entirely by BACKUP itself (although there were a patch or two to tapeaF > drivers because the didn't give adequate warning of EOT). And BACKUPI > likely keys off the device type, so you would have to modify the CD-ROM H > driver to simulate a tape (BOT, EOF, EOT and all) and leave some space. > at the end, i.e., give an EOT warning early. > 
 >         JanP   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:52:21 +0100r, From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotmail.c*m>D Subject: DNS questions 1:M host_name:host_address (address ordering)3 Message-ID: <9ebv3r$7vm$1@neptunium.btinternet.com>e   Hi,c  E Sorry if you've already seen this, but I can see my original post viagJ outlook but not google. It might be the attachment or it might be replyingJ to my own note (with an example) but if there's anyone here that knows DNS I'd really appreciate the help!i   Hi Matt,  > I hope you (or anyone else) can help with some DNS questions:-  < When I give a hostname > 1 addresses what do I have to do toI *ensure/guarantee* that the name server will give them out in exactly thep  same order that they went in on?  H I'll post a gethostbyname example that I've been using to test against aI Solaris 2.6 BIND 4 name server as the next reply. The guy that set up thenK name server assures me that the exhibited round-robin behaviour must be theyL default because he certainly didn't request it. (That is, if host FRED has 4C addresses then 4 successive calls to gethostbyname will result in adG different address in position [0] each time. The name server is clearly5G cycling them around for each request for FRED and is independant of anybC secondary name servers. (What caheing servers would make of it is at
 mystery?))  K I have flicked through the O'Reilly book and read about the sortlist optiontJ in the named.boot file but the book also mentions that with BIND 8 addressK sorting is removed. (4.8.3 Sorting at the name server. 4.9 Resolver addressdC sorting. BIND 4 Sorts same network order) Is it all vendor, versione% dependent or absolutely configurable?t  H How do you control DNS load balancing on/off on a per node/cluster basis  with the latest TCP/IP services?  H When the O'Reilly book discussess > 1 addresses per host it usually onlyJ relates it to multiple NICs and multi-homing and how to use sorting to endK up on the network that will give you the best performance. This is not whatAF I'm looking at. What I would like to do is, in a 3 node cluster nodeA,H nodeB, nodeC (1.2.3.1, 1.2.3.2, 1.2.3.3) cluster alias 1.2.3.9 is defineE each node in the namespace as its unique host address followed by itsiI cluster alias. For example, nodeA would resolve to (1.2..3.1, 1.2.3.9) My @ software (like TELNET and RSH) will try each address returned byK gethostbyname in turn until it finds an address that works or there are  noqK more addresses. That is why the order that the addresses are returned in isrK pivotal. The host's individual internet address(es) must be returned first,tL after that comes the cluster alias (or just a list of all the other nodes in% the cluster if that's clearer/easier)s   Regards Richard Maher   8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3B01E38F.C387A2EE@videotron.ca... > Matt Muggeridge wrote:K > > I think I see your confusion.  Your comment here suggests a .DB file is  keptK > > on every system??  Anyway, this is not the case.  The way you configuren DNS,K > > is you designate one server to be your PIRMARY server.  Then you managei aa7 > > single copy of the .DB files on the primary server.l >, >oI > OK, i think i understand. SET HOST ( the TCPIP$HOSTS ) file is just the* local*K > hosts available to that node only, whereas the .DB files contain the real  data.  > I > Since I run the bind server on that node, I didn't see the need to have* the 2-" > databases, but I understand now.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:47:13 -0500d/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>eD Subject: Re: error: DECW$DEVICE-I_NODEVICE, no graphics device found3 Message-ID: <3B097ED1.FACF8436@applied-synergy.com>s  
 martin wrote:$ > E > I'm not a VMS admin but have to re-build a Alpha workstation as the.? > system disk on it has crashed and it has never(!) been backedi
 > up......)-;  > G > I've installed VMS 6.2 ok, but now after installing dec windows motifyA > 1.2-3 and then starting it is failing with the following error:  > 2 > DECW$DEVICE-I_NODEVICE, no graphics device found > ' > Any suggestions would be appreciated.     E Depending on your graphics card, you may need to load the OPEN3D kit.e  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------.$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com d   Fax: 817-237-3074s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:01:37 +1200g" From: martin <martin@netscape.com>D Subject: Re: error: DECW$DEVICE-I_NODEVICE, no graphics device found+ Message-ID: <3B098231.F0F3CA6@netscape.com>t  G The graphics card is a Powerstorm 3d30 - do I need specific drivers foru this?    thanks   martin   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  J > Need to know what the graphics controller is.  You should be able to getF > that from the console, or you may need to look at the device itself. >m= > martin wrote in message <3B0890E4.685926CF@netscape.com>...sF > >I'm not a VMS admin but have to re-build a Alpha workstation as the@ > >system disk on it has crashed and it has never(!) been backed > >up......)-; > >sH > >I've installed VMS 6.2 ok, but now after installing dec windows motifB > >1.2-3 and then starting it is failing with the following error: > >n3 > >DECW$DEVICE-I_NODEVICE, no graphics device foundv > >r( > >Any suggestions would be appreciated. > >a	 > >thankso > >t	 > >martine > >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:03:05 +1200 " From: martin <martin@netscape.com>D Subject: Re: error: DECW$DEVICE-I_NODEVICE, no graphics device found, Message-ID: <3B098289.B07D9AC5@netscape.com>  D Does the OPEN3D kit include the graphics drivers? My video card is a powerstorm 3d30.   cheers martin   Chris Scheers wrote:   >n > >m4 > > DECW$DEVICE-I_NODEVICE, no graphics device found > >w) > > Any suggestions would be appreciated.o >eG > Depending on your graphics card, you may need to load the OPEN3D kit.r >UI > -----------------------------------------------------------------------e& > Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc. >lD > Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com >   Fax: 817-237-3074f   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:53:09 -0400-  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>D Subject: Re: error: DECW$DEVICE-I_NODEVICE, no graphics device found6 Message-ID: <1010521175040.23886A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  " On Tue, 22 May 2001, martin wrote:  F > Does the OPEN3D kit include the graphics drivers? My video card is a > powerstorm 3d30. >  > cheers > martin  D OPEN3D kit contains some drivers, but I think for the 3d30, you need VMS721_GRAPHICS-V0400.   -- h John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:50:37 -0300O) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brm$ Subject: Re: Free emulator to VMS...L Message-ID: <OFC2281FEB.911AA41A-ON03256A53.0061F2ED@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  > XLNT is from Advanced Systems Concept http://www.advsyscon.com   Regards(   FC        2 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com em 21/05/2001 14:41:25  - Favor responder a Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com,             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comf      $ Assunto: Re: Free emulator to VMS...      H If something rather less advanced will do, there's a product called XLNT@ (can't remember the vendor, sorry) that provides a subset of VMSG functionality on WNT or W98. It's not a full emulation, but if Valdemir,' only needs a subset of VMS it might do.e   Shane           D Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.net> on 05/19/2001 08:03:06 AM  < Please respond to Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.net>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como cc:t  % Subject:  Re: Free emulator to VMS...r    0 Valdemir J. Santos <valdemir-@uol.com.br> wrote: > Hello all guys:n  - >    Is there any good free emulator to VMS ?-   >    Thank you in advance...  H Check http://www.charon-vax.com but the Hobbyist program is suspended atF this time. :-(  Also, check http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist to obtainB OpenVMS 7.2.  I do not know when would OpenVMS 7.3 be available to hobbyist program yet.o  D Alternatively there are free VAX emulators but still underdeveloped. :-(s   -- Tim Stark   --. Timothy Stark  <><  Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------E "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that-H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:23:40 -0400w/ From: Glenn or Mary Everhart <everhart@gce.com> $ Subject: Re: Free emulator to VMS...' Message-ID: <3B09BF9C.7927B4C6@gce.com>e  K XLNT and various others are DCL emulators, PERIOD. There are some free onesfN out there too. Nothing more. Possibly fun if you want to confuse someone aboutK just what box he/she is talking to. (If you want to play that game, though,hI I suggest scaring up a TOPS-20 console emulator, getting thereby a bettert console 
 language.)    " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > J > If something rather less advanced will do, there's a product called XLNTB > (can't remember the vendor, sorry) that provides a subset of VMSI > functionality on WNT or W98. It's not a full emulation, but if Valdemirp) > only needs a subset of VMS it might do.  >  > Shaneh > F > Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.net> on 05/19/2001 08:03:06 AM > > > Please respond to Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.net> >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com5 > cc:  > ' > Subject:  Re: Free emulator to VMS...e > 2 > Valdemir J. Santos <valdemir-@uol.com.br> wrote: > > Hello all guys:o > / > >    Is there any good free emulator to VMS ?t >  > >    Thank you in advance... > J > Check http://www.charon-vax.com but the Hobbyist program is suspended atH > this time. :-(  Also, check http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist to obtainD > OpenVMS 7.2.  I do not know when would OpenVMS 7.3 be available to > hobbyist program yet.t > F > Alternatively there are free VAX emulators but still underdeveloped. > :-(b >  > -- Tim Stark >  > --0 > Timothy Stark  <><  Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgL > --------------------------------------------------------------------------G > "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, thatIJ > whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.0 > Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:44:49 +0100: From: nic <nic@noaspm.com> Subject: Re: ftp scripting* Message-ID: <3B09A871.49215745@noaspm.com>   Chris Sharman wrote:  ) > I have a requirement for ftp scripting.eC > I need to upload stuff, and on success rename it on both systems. I > I also need to download stuff (whatever's there), and on success deleted5 > it from the server, then do things with it locally., > ! > Is there an easy way to do it ?d   yes!  I most VMS implementations of FTP are happy being driven by command file or7@ their own script, you simply stick all the FTP command in there.  J you're asking about status. well ftp is not clever and unix system, or anyK other systems does not have VMS's regard for data integrity. (Some will sayRI yes i did it, when they really mean i did most of it but dumped the rest.h this is true.)  K my technique is to create an ascii file with the current vms date and time.aI send this up to the host area, and DELETE it from your local system. next-J push up all the files, finally pull down the ascii file, call it somethingH other than html or common file types, make up an extension, i use a fileL called transfer.ok. once the file is back i test the date and time. easy. itK also serves as a last upload and this again is used to determine what fileseI have changed since when to perform the copy, and being in VMS format fitssG well into COPY/SINCE commands. it does not of course guarantee that the F prior commands completed fully, but the faults are generally caused by: client session closure, so 'pulling' your file would fail.  H i also wrote a little DCL to interpret the unix file listings to compare with VMS file attributes.,   hope this gives you some ideas,-   regards, nic at home nclews at csc dot comT; (sorry for the deja vu postings, i was having a rough day!)O   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:25:37 -0400m( From: Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu>2 Subject: Hobbyist DECNET License (was: VMS<->RSTS)K Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105211922200.4784-100000@triangle.cs.uofs.edu>h  B Looks like I can do what I want, except for another problem that I? just discovered.  Is there no DECNET License under the Hobbyistt@ program??  I just installed all the PAKS and it says there is no license to connect off host.  K %LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, RTPAD, No DECnet License. Off node use is not authorizedn on this node  # Or did I just miss something else??    bill   -- vJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:55:05 -0500n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>y6 Subject: Re: Hobbyist DECNET License (was: VMS<->RSTS)' Message-ID: <3B09E319.76117E27@fsi.net>i   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > D > Looks like I can do what I want, except for another problem that IA > just discovered.  Is there no DECNET License under the HobbyistfB > program??  I just installed all the PAKS and it says there is no > license to connect off host. > M > %LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, RTPAD, No DECnet License. Off node use is not authorizedP > on this node > % > Or did I just miss something else??-  B There are DVNETEND and DVNETEXT licenses, at least, in the layered product set.   -- m David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:34:35 -0400o2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)6 Subject: Re: Hobbyist DECNET License (was: VMS<->RSTS)L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2205010034350001@user-2ivebdb.dialup.mindspring.com>  
 In articleE <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105211922200.4784-100000@triangle.cs.uofs.edu>, Billc$ Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:  D > Looks like I can do what I want, except for another problem that IA > just discovered.  Is there no DECNET License under the HobbyistrB > program??  I just installed all the PAKS and it says there is no > license to connect off host. > M > %LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, RTPAD, No DECnet License. Off node use is not authorizedn > on this node > % > Or did I just miss something else??o    I The VMS hobbyist program for vax and alpha does include decnet.  You mustv have missed something.  9 After you registered the PAKs, did you do a LICENSE LOAD?r   -- r Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coms   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:35:45 -0400m+ From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> ( Subject: Re: OT: UPS monitoring software# Message-ID: <sb0927d9.087@aaas.org>g  I Well, I do most of that from the UPS itself. It has a 4 hour runtime at =e@ it's current load. Here is what the software lets you configure.  L +--------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----+nL |                          PowerChute Configuration                        =     |PL |                                                                          =     |vL |  Serial Port Name:                             tta0:                     =     |lL |  Message Delay Time:                           5     seconds             =     | L |  Message Interval Time:                        30    seconds             =     | L |  Disable Down Time:                            NO                        =     |cL |  Down Time:                                    900   seconds             =     | L |  Low Battery Runtime:                          30    seconds             =     |oL |  IO Timeout:                                   5     seconds             =     | L |  Event Log File Name:                                                    =     |xL |    POWERCHUTE$DIR:POWERCHUTE.LOG;1                                       =     | L |  Event Log Max File Size:                      50000 bytes               =     |gL |  Error Log File Name:                                                    =     |eL |    POWERCHUTE$DIR:POWERCHUTE.ERR                                         =     |pL |  Event Message File Name:                                                =     |4L |    POWERCHUTE$DIR:POWERCHUTE.MSG                                         =     | L |  Configure Message Text:                       NO                        =     | L |  Configure Command Procedures:                 NO                        =     |tL |                                                                          =     |rL |                                                                          =     |bL |        F8(CONTROL E) - Exit/Save     F9,F11(CONTROL N) - Exit/Nosave     =     | L |        HELP(F15) - Help                                                  =     |nL +--------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----+d  H >>> Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> 05/21/2001 = 1:14:32 PM >>>K In article <sb090f13.053@aaas.org>, John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> =  writes:yL >I have a copy of Power Chute 1.2 for OpenVMS AXP in my hand. Works like a = =3DC& >charm (and the connection is serial).  H Can you monitor the current power load?  Determine the run-time based onH the current load?  Set the self-test interval, battery thresholds, alarmI delays, warning times, power up/down delays, transfer voltages, identity,t etc., etc., etc?    L VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot= )COM
           =20iK city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after =l them.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:22:05 GMTe= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)s( Subject: Re: OT: UPS monitoring software0 Message-ID: <009FC592.416A8FD9@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Q In article <sb0927d9.087@aaas.org>, John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> writes:uJ >Well, I do most of that from the UPS itself. It has a 4 hour runtime at =A >it's current load. Here is what the software lets you configure.t  J Please turn off MIME and/or any of that fugly quoted-printable formatting  prior to posting.       M >+--------------------------------------------------------------------------=h >----+M >|                          PowerChute Configuration                        =y >    |M >|                                                                          =g >    |M >|  Serial Port Name:                             tta0:                     =e >    |M >|  Message Delay Time:                           5     seconds             =T >    |M >|  Message Interval Time:                        30    seconds             =e >    |M >|  Disable Down Time:                            NO                        =  >    |M >|  Down Time:                                    900   seconds             =- >    |M >|  Low Battery Runtime:                          30    seconds             =s >    |M >|  IO Timeout:                                   5     seconds             =f     ^^^^^^^^^^^  What's this???   >    |M >|  Event Log File Name:                                                    =d >    |M >|    POWERCHUTE$DIR:POWERCHUTE.LOG;1                                       =b >    |M >|  Event Log Max File Size:                      50000 bytes               =i >    |M >|  Error Log File Name:                                                    =  >    |M >|    POWERCHUTE$DIR:POWERCHUTE.ERR                                         =i >    |M >|  Event Message File Name:                                                =- >    |M >|    POWERCHUTE$DIR:POWERCHUTE.MSG                                         =A >    |M >|  Configure Message Text:                       NO                        =c >    |M >|  Configure Command Procedures:                 NO                        =0 >    |M >|                                                                          =O >    |M >|                                                                          =r >    |M >|        F8(CONTROL E) - Exit/Save     F9,F11(CONTROL N) - Exit/Nosave     =  >    |M >|        HELP(F15) - Help                                                  =u >    |M >+--------------------------------------------------------------------------=i >----+  > So, where do you tell it to execute your shutdown procedure???   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMk            aO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:31:54 -0400i+ From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> ( Subject: Re: OT: UPS monitoring software# Message-ID: <sb09350e.046@aaas.org>o  J When PC is executed at system startup, it reads the PowerChute.ini file, =" which specifies a shutdown script.   $ type powerchute.ini0 [powerchute] device=3Dtta0: msgdelay=3D5 msgtime=3D30 disabledown=3DNO downtime=3D900 lowbatteryrun=3D30
 iotimeout=3D58. eventlogname=3DPOWERCHUTE$DIR:POWERCHUTE.LOG;1 logmax=3D50000, errorlogname=3DPOWERCHUTE$DIR:POWERCHUTE.ERR+ msgfilename=3DPOWERCHUTE$DIR:POWERCHUTE.MSGtG failmsg=3DComputername is running on battery power. Shutdown in mm:ss =w minutes.4 returnmsg=3DComputername utility power has returned.H downtimemsg=3DBattery timer has expired. Prepare for immediate shutdown.< lowbatterymsg=3DLOW BATTERY. Prepare for immediate shutdown.& shutdownmsg=3DSYSTEM IS SHUTTING DOWN.' failscript=3DPOWERCHUTE$DIR:FAIL_PC.COMI+ returnscript=3DPOWERCHUTE$DIR:RETURN_PC.COM8- timerexpscript=3DPOWERCHUTE$DIR:TIMEXP_PC.COM / lowbatteryscript=3DPOWERCHUTE$DIR:LOWBAT_PC.COMo/ shutdownscript=3DPOWERCHUTE$DIR:SHUTDOWN_PC.COMW  H >>> Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> 05/21/2001 = 3:22:05 PM >>>K In article <sb0927d9.087@aaas.org>, John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> =d writes:pJ >Well, I do most of that from the UPS itself. It has a 4 hour runtime at = =3DPA >it's current load. Here is what the software lets you configure.     > So, where do you tell it to execute your shutdown procedure???   --L VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot= )COM
           =20 K city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after =. them.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:07:45 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comp* Subject: Re: Pascal program not running...D Message-ID: <OF43E6159C.38D379C5-ON88256A53.00637D73@foundation.com>  H How are you copying it over? FTP and similar programs can corrupt the f= ile , in transit, maybe that's what you're seeing.   Shanei          E "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br> on 05/20/2001 09:11:58 PMh  = Please respond to "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br>W   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma cc:   ' Subject:  Pascal program not running...S       Hello all guys:   H =A0 I made a Pascal program in an AlphaStation  500/333.  In this=A0mac= hine, H =A0=A0the program run OK. When I copy the  executable file to an AlphaS= erverb DS20E,5 =A0 the program doesn't run, and I get this  message:   5 =A0 %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image  SCAN_ALL 9 =A0 -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file  DKA0:[DS_SUPORTE.CLUSTER]- =A0 SCAN_ALL.EXE;1> =A0 -IMGACT-F-NOTNATIVE, image is not an OpenVMS  Alpha image.  H =A0=A0 Why this program doesn=B4t run in the  AlphaServer,=A0but run OK=  in thet AlphaStation ?) =A0  Both machines haves=A0OpenVMS V7.2 .7 =A0=A0 Thank you in  advance...r         =    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:45:36 -1000 % From: Charles Aoki <caoki@hawaii.edu>< Subject: PGP for VMS 6.28 Message-ID: <jhujgtou7g7bhvbhvl85sk018fjg91s5n3@4ax.com>   Hi All,-  F I understand the PGP v2.6.2/3i compiles and runs on OpenVms 6.2.  DoesB anyone know of the most curent version that will run on a Vax (vms 6.2).l   Thanks," Charles3  8 Charles Aoki, Univ of Hawaii - Kapiolani Comm Coll, IMTS8 caoki@hawaii.edu  Voice:(808)734-9369  Fax:(808)734-9287   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:30:59 -0400./ From: Glenn or Mary Everhart <everhart@gce.com>T Subject: Re: PGP revisited' Message-ID: <3B09C153.2BFE2DA4@gce.com>e  G There are VMS ports of Gnupg which are not too old. Gnupg is an openpgpeH implementation. I am inclined, since Zimmerman left NAI, to expect gnupg- to be the more developed of the pair shortly.o  
 Bob wrote: > J > Joe, we too could not find a free or shareware version for latest VMS onI > Alpha.  As a workaround we installed latest PGP on a Linux box, and usecJ > Kermit (start it on VMS, run Kermit on Linux in server mode) to transferM > the files and control PGP.  It works very well, since PGP can be controlled M > entirely by command switches; all of our PGP jobs are completely automated.s< > I can share command files if you want to see how I did it. >  > --Bobt > H > >Trying to get 6.5.3 to compile on OpenVMS looks to be a bit involved.H > >The other alternative is passing files off to a PC and then retriving( > >the encrypted file (less that ideal). > >l > >Joe   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 03:57:04 GMTa2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com># Subject: PWS 433a/au and EIDE Disksu1 Message-ID: <kslO6.5$k3.1174@typhoon.aracnet.com>w  I Looking through the Freeware V5 stuff a while back I noticed the DQDRIVEReI package.  Am I reading correctly that this will allow you to hook up EIDErF disks to a PWS system?  I've got a PWS 433a that I've converted to runG OpenVMS.  I don't care about being able to boot from EIDE, as I want to-J continue to use SCSI for that, but I would like to be able to put a coupleK large EIDE drives on the system and Shadow them.  Has anyone tried anythinge
 like this?  ! BTW, yes, this is a Hobbyist box.e   			Zanel   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:40:07 -0400-2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)' Subject: Re: PWS 433a/au and EIDE DisksRL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2205010040070001@user-2ivebdb.dialup.mindspring.com>  A In article <kslO6.5$k3.1174@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy"o# <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote:   K > Looking through the Freeware V5 stuff a while back I noticed the DQDRIVEReK > package.  Am I reading correctly that this will allow you to hook up EIDEtH > disks to a PWS system?  I've got a PWS 433a that I've converted to runI > OpenVMS.  I don't care about being able to boot from EIDE, as I want tokL > continue to use SCSI for that, but I would like to be able to put a coupleM > large EIDE drives on the system and Shadow them.  Has anyone tried anythingt > like this?  J I don't remember the details for DQDRIVER.  For CD drives, DMA support wasA off, then on, then off again.  I think it will remain off, due tofH limitations/bugs in the IDE hardware in this system.  The performance of- the CD drive with programmed I/O is horrible.h  C I don't remember the status of IDE disk support in DQDRIVER.  If it > doesn't support DMA, you probably don't want to try IDE disks.   -- e Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:54:22 -0700i* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>0 Subject: random printer resets on LPD to HP 22004 Message-ID: <QpeO6.3557$Ib.381075@news1.primary.net>  H I have an LPD queue set up on VMS 7.2-1, TCP/IP v5.0A, to a brand new HPH 2200 laserjet printer.  The VMS queue has a device control library whichG is set up to send a reset PCL sequence to the printer between jobs.  IteC also has two forms set up, one for 80 column and one for 132 columnoH printing.  The form and device library setup has been in use for severalG years at many customer sites without problem.  The printer is connected- directly to the network.  D At this particular customer site,  small (i.e. 5-10 page) print jobsC print in 80 or 132 column mode correctly.  However, at random timesNF during larger print jobs (20+ pages) the font and page length settingsG on the HP 2200 revert back to the power on reset defaults in the middle H of a single print job.  The customer tells me this happens at the top ofH a page, but not at predictable times and does not seem to be repeatable.D There are no entries in the queue error logs or the VMS operator logA that correspond to any time near the date and time when the error 	 occurred.l  H My first suspicion was to check the idle timer on the printer, but it isH set to 270 seconds so it seems an unlikely candidate.  Data is not beingD lost, and no errors are being registered.  Has anyone seen a similar problem with LPD?     Jack Peacock-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:02:58 -0400h* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>& Subject: Re: Recognising a LAT Service+ Message-ID: <3B095852.C94C528C@rtfmcsi.com>    rodney_jones wrote::  H > I have an Alpha OpenVMS Cluster.  Using LATCP I have created a ServiceB > called LAB that is available on several nodes.  I connect to theA > Service using VT Terminals via an Emulex P4000 Terminal Server. G > Is there any way from DCL (e.g. during execution of LOGIN.COM) that I G > can discover whether a User-Connection was initiated by selecting thejF > LAB Service as against simply connecting to a node (or, indeed, some > other service)?y  H Yes, you can do this.  I had a program on my VMScluster [all VAX systemsI running VMS v5.2-2H4] that could figure out what service a user connected  to when they logged in via LAT.   J At the moment, however, I do not have the source code or binaries on hand;H they are on an archive tape and I  need to resurrect my MV3100m90 system to read the tape.,  H If you send me an email message with a valid reply-to address in it I'llF dig into the archive tape later this week and email the source code toC you.  The source code was 'C' as I recall, so you should be able tou7 re-build the .EXE if you have a 'C' compiler available.s     Regards,   Chuck5 -- Chuck Chopp-  8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager7                                   8007740718@skytel.coma   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 23:49:12 GMTN From: dittman@dittman.nete Subject: SCSI Cluster Problemi> Message-ID: <YPhO6.1116$LT4.88919@e420r-sjo2.usenetserver.com>  ( I have a couple of DEC PWS au systems in( a SCSI cluster.  They each have two SCSI' controllers and have been working well.d% I'm using V7.2-1.  I recently added a & dual channel SCSI controller to one of' the systems, thus displacing the shared-' SCSI bus controller from PKB to PKD.  I0( now get the following on the system when I boot:   ! (boot dkd0.0.0.1010.0 -flags 1,0)a0 block 0 of dkd0.0.0.1010.0 is a valid boot block' reading 921 blocks from dkd0.0.0.1010.0  bootstrap code read in3 base = 1d8000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 73200  initializing HWRPB at 2000! initializing page table at 1ca000- initializing machine state# setting affinity to the primary CPU  jumping to bootstrap code     9     OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1     ? %DECnet-I-LOADED, network base image loaded, version = 05.0D.03t  4 %CNXMAN,  Using remote access method for quorum disk> %VMScluster-I-LOADSECDB, loading the cluster security database+ %EWA0, Auto Negotiation mode set by consoleaP %CLUSTER-F-CONFIG, discovered device $1$DKD0 on incorrectly configured SCSI bus,  system halting  halted CPU 0  / I checked the SRM values and they migrated when / I added the new controller, and the SCSI ID for02 PKD is 6 (the other system is set to 7).  Is there. a problem with having four SCSI controllers on V7.2-1?= --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 01:03:04 GMTa7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) ! Subject: Re: SCSI Cluster ProblemU& Message-ID: <GDppL4.26L@world.std.com>   dittman@dittman.net writes:M  ) >I have a couple of DEC PWS au systems ins) >a SCSI cluster.  They each have two SCSI ( >controllers and have been working well.& >I'm using V7.2-1.  I recently added a' >dual channel SCSI controller to one of ( >the systems, thus displacing the shared( >SCSI bus controller from PKB to PKD.  I) >now get the following on the system whenH >I boot:   ...E: >    OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1    @ >%DECnet-I-LOADED, network base image loaded, version = 05.0D.03  5 >%CNXMAN,  Using remote access method for quorum disk ? >%VMScluster-I-LOADSECDB, loading the cluster security database , >%EWA0, Auto Negotiation mode set by consoleQ >%CLUSTER-F-CONFIG, discovered device $1$DKD0 on incorrectly configured SCSI bus,  > system halting
 >halted CPU 0T  0 >I checked the SRM values and they migrated when0 >I added the new controller, and the SCSI ID for3 >PKD is 6 (the other system is set to 7).  Is there / >a problem with having four SCSI controllers on- >V7.2-1?  D Read up on SCSI port allocation classes and the DEVICE_NAMING SYSGENB parameter.  They were invented to fix the problem you came across.   -Miker   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 01:41:16 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.net ! Subject: Re: SCSI Cluster ProblemC? Message-ID: <0tjO6.2619$LT4.150288@e420r-sjo2.usenetserver.com>u  8 Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote: : dittman@dittman.net writes:t  * :>I have a couple of DEC PWS au systems in* :>a SCSI cluster.  They each have two SCSI) :>controllers and have been working well.A' :>I'm using V7.2-1.  I recently added aA( :>dual channel SCSI controller to one of) :>the systems, thus displacing the sharede) :>SCSI bus controller from PKB to PKD.  I * :>now get the following on the system when	 :>I boot:o   : ... ; :>    OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1  n  A :>%DECnet-I-LOADED, network base image loaded, version = 05.0D.03g  6 :>%CNXMAN,  Using remote access method for quorum disk@ :>%VMScluster-I-LOADSECDB, loading the cluster security database- :>%EWA0, Auto Negotiation mode set by consoleeR :>%CLUSTER-F-CONFIG, discovered device $1$DKD0 on incorrectly configured SCSI bus, :> system halting  :>halted CPU 0  1 :>I checked the SRM values and they migrated whent1 :>I added the new controller, and the SCSI ID for-4 :>PKD is 6 (the other system is set to 7).  Is there0 :>a problem with having four SCSI controllers on	 :>V7.2-1?a  F : Read up on SCSI port allocation classes and the DEVICE_NAMING SYSGEND : parameter.  They were invented to fix the problem you came across.  ? I've got those set.  The common SCSI bus is allocation class 1, @ PKA on the working system is 2, and PKA, PKB, PKC on the changed( system is 3.  DEVICE_NAMING is set to 1. -- T Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.nete   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 02:40:20 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.net ! Subject: Re: SCSI Cluster Problem ? Message-ID: <okkO6.1336$FB5.215562@e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com>|   dittman@dittman.net wrote:: : Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote: : : dittman@dittman.net writes:   , : :>I have a couple of DEC PWS au systems in, : :>a SCSI cluster.  They each have two SCSI+ : :>controllers and have been working well. ) : :>I'm using V7.2-1.  I recently added a * : :>dual channel SCSI controller to one of+ : :>the systems, thus displacing the sharedn+ : :>SCSI bus controller from PKB to PKD.  I0, : :>now get the following on the system when : :>I boot:    : : ... = : :>    OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1  U  C : :>%DECnet-I-LOADED, network base image loaded, version = 05.0D.03|  8 : :>%CNXMAN,  Using remote access method for quorum diskB : :>%VMScluster-I-LOADSECDB, loading the cluster security database/ : :>%EWA0, Auto Negotiation mode set by console T : :>%CLUSTER-F-CONFIG, discovered device $1$DKD0 on incorrectly configured SCSI bus, : :> system haltingn : :>halted CPU 0  3 : :>I checked the SRM values and they migrated when 3 : :>I added the new controller, and the SCSI ID for 6 : :>PKD is 6 (the other system is set to 7).  Is there2 : :>a problem with having four SCSI controllers on : :>V7.2-1?   H : : Read up on SCSI port allocation classes and the DEVICE_NAMING SYSGENF : : parameter.  They were invented to fix the problem you came across.  A : I've got those set.  The common SCSI bus is allocation class 1,-B : PKA on the working system is 2, and PKA, PKB, PKC on the changed* : system is 3.  DEVICE_NAMING is set to 1.  3 I read the information on the PAC and based on thatV/ set the allocation class on the shared SCSI bus 3 to 7.  Now it's working, with the (documented) sidea3 effect that the SCSI devices on the shared SCSI bus  are $7$DKAx.  7 To make sure I understand this correctly, not only does@5 the allocation class have to be the same but also thee4 device name.  Originally they were both $1$DKBx, but5 adding the extra controller made the disks $1$DKBx on,3 the working system and $1$DKDx on the other.  Usingr  the PAC made them both the same. -- : Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.netl   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:11:58 -0500e' From: Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU>x Subject: Show Device D ProblemsT) Message-ID: <3B0992AE.13D0CC50@UIowa.EDU>U  E I just started working with a system that when I type "Sho Dev D", I rO only get one device to show up.  There are lots of disks, almost all in tripletr shadowsets, on this system.i  E I can not determine why the SYSTEM account can see the devices and myT< account [300,1] (with all privs turned on) can not see them.  B Does anyone have any suggestions on what to look at?  If I show anD explicit device name, it works fine.  The devices have the following' settings clipped from "show dev /full":$  D Owner process              ""    Owner UIC                     [1,4]D Owner process ID     00000000    Dev Prot        S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,WD Volume owner UIC        [1,4]    Vol Prot  RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCD  J 	Note, there is no Rights identifier for the [1,4] UIC.  Does this matter?   Regards, Rick -- uH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _  _____                    http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | ||_   _|  Senior Systems Analyst  --  INFORMM-Cerner Systems Group< | | | |  | |    The University of Iowa Hospitals and ClinicsH | \_/ | _| |_   Information Systems BT1000 GH       Office: 319/384-7016H  \___/ |_____|  Iowa City, IA 52242-1052               FAX: 319/384-7020   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:47:54 -0400g2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)# Subject: Re: Show Device D ProblemsoL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2205010047540001@user-2ivebdb.dialup.mindspring.com>  4 In article <3B0992AE.13D0CC50@UIowa.EDU>, Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU> wrote:   G > I just started working with a system that when I type "Sho Dev D", I mI > only get one device to show up.  There are lots of disks, almost all inp triplett > shadowsets, on this system.u > G > I can not determine why the SYSTEM account can see the devices and mya> > account [300,1] (with all privs turned on) can not see them. > D > Does anyone have any suggestions on what to look at?  If I show anF > explicit device name, it works fine.  The devices have the following) > settings clipped from "show dev /full":[  H Do you have a logical name "D"?  I think that might fool SHOW DEVICE and1 prevent normal wild card processing.  Wild Guess.g   F > Owner process              ""    Owner UIC                     [1,4]F > Owner process ID     00000000    Dev Prot        S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,WF > Volume owner UIC        [1,4]    Vol Prot  RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCD > F >         Note, there is no Rights identifier for the [1,4] UIC.  Does this matter?  F I can answer this part.  I've never seen a system with a rights ID forF [1,4].  It doesn't seem to matter.  I don't know why VMS likes to makeI [1,4] own volumes.  I usually put /OWNER=SYSTEM on my INIT commands, just H because numeric UICs annoy me.  I've not seen any functional difference.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:39:31 -04000/ From: Glenn or Mary Everhart <everhart@gce.com>t8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants' Message-ID: <3B09C353.4BDC78B7@gce.com>o  E If trying to allow for volume growth, it can kinda-sorta be done with 	 ODS(2,5).eP 1. INIT the disk as a much larger volume than is first available. Use /index=beg4 so the index file is in the part physically present.O 2. Use a smaller cluster factor (there will be a larger storage bitmap and someiJ memory wasted with this) so the clusters don't get huge. Since 7.2 that is	 possible.LL 3. Tie up the top N blocks either by marking them bad or by allocating large$ contig files at the top of the disk. 4. Use the rest.  P When you want to "enlarge" the thing, declare some blocks not bad, or shrink and& move up the front of the contig files.  J These are not particularly easy. Some filestructures allow the growth moreJ simply. If ODS(2,5) were to allow the bitmap to be appended to (don't knowL if 7.3 might have such) I should think it could handle growth too. Until 7.2K there was a restriction that the bitmap be all in one extent. Since that isHN gone, it may be that ODS(2,5) now could be extended sometimes, tho' I've never heard of it.   Bill Todd wrote: > - > "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message # > news:3B07921E.459D51D3@home.nl...  >  > ...m > M > > 3. The whole point of having a raid/stripe set is to have the data evenlyeL > > distributed over the volumes. I suppose that adding extra volumes to the > setgN > > would result in a complete rebuild of the set with new stripe parameters ? > IfN > > not, then you would get a bigger logical volume, but not a very fast one I > > presume. > I > Indeed - that's why I pointed out the desirability of adding space to a-J > typical RAID (and then to the file system using it) compared with addingK > another volume to a concatenated volume set.  The more competent hardwareEM > and software RAIDs do in fact re-stripe when a volume is added.  With a bitrI > of ingenuity, this process can take place on-line and in the backgroundyK > (though the added logical volume space isn't usable until re-striping has 
 > completed).a >  > - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:15:41 +0100o- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>g! Subject: TZ88: read performance ?o1 Message-ID: <3B094D3D.6627A72B@BlueBubble.UK.Com>b  
 Gentle folks,   < what ball-park figure (Mbytes/second) should I expect to get< out of reading a TZ88 (using compaction) connected through a> KZPBA-CA (the only device on that SCSI bus) ?  I can't seem to> get it do do more than ca. 1.3 Mbytes/second which seems a bit low to me.  VMS is 7.2-1.o  9 Sample test of throughput is to stick ca. 500 Mbytes ontou= a cartridge ($ backup ... tape: .../block=65024/med=comp) and 
 then to time:r   $ backup/list=nl: tape:   @ (obviously after rewinding and mounting, so we're measuring pure= read-throughput;  write-performance seems to be closer to thek? rated 3 Mbytes/second).  $ Copy'ing the saveset to NL: gets the-? same read-throughput (even with RMS /block and /buff set high).i   Thanks for any comments,  	 Roy Omondo Blue Bubble Ltd.      3 System is as described below from SDA> Clue Config:$   System Configuration:  ---------------------  System Information: G System Type    AlphaServer 800 5/400                  Primary CPU ID 00aH Cycle Time     2.5 nsec (400 MHz)                     Pagesize 8192 Byte   Memory Configuration: D Cluster    PFN Start    PFN Count         Range (MByte)        UsageF  03             0          227         0.0 MB -     1.7 MB    ConsoleE  04           227       130836         1.7 MB -  1023.9 MB    System F  05        131063            9      1023.9 MB -  1024.0 MB    Console  # Per-CPU Slot Processor Information:rK CPU ID         00                        CPU State    rc,pa,pp,cv,pv,pmv,plrG CPU Type       EV56  Pass 2 (21164A)     Halt PC      00000000.200000002G PAL Code       1.20-3                    Halt PS      00000000.00001F00 G CPU Revision   ....                      Halt Code    00000000.00000000 A Serial Number  ..........                "Bootstrap or Powerfail"  Console Vers   V5.1-202u   Adapter Configuration: ---------------------- nJ TR Adapter     ADP      Hose Bus   BusArrayEntry  Node Device Name / HW-IdH -- --------- -------- ---- -------------------- ---- -------------------)  1 KA1B05    8084D640    0 BUSLESS_SYSTEMeJ  2 PCI       8084D840    0 PCI   8084DB30  PKA:    5 Qlogic ISP1020 SCSI-2A                                  8084DB68  GQA:    6 S3 Trio32/64-<                                  8084DBA0          7 MERCURYJ                                  8084DC80  EWA:   11 DC21140 - 100 mbit NI (Tulip)eJ                                  8084DCB8  EWB:   12 DC21140 - 100 mbit NI (Tulip)hJ                                  8084DCF0  PKB:   13 Qlogic ISP1020 SCSI-28                                  8084DD28         14 PBBA  3 EISA      8084E080    0 EISA  8084E298          0 System BoardeF  4 XBUS      8084E640    0 XBUS  8084E818          0 EISA_SYSTEM_BOARD;                                  8084E850  DVA:    1 Floppy K                                  8084E888  LRA:    2 Line Printer (parallel  port) H                                  8084E8C0  TTA:    3 NS16450 Serial PortH                                  8084E8F8  TTB:    4 NS16450 Serial PortJ  5 PCI       8084EB80    0 PCI   8084ED98  PKC:    0 Qlogic ISP1020 SCSI-2     SCSI Summary Configuration:b --------------------------- O SPDT      Port  STDT   SCSI-Id  SCDT  SCSI-Lun  Device    UCB       Type    Rev P --------------  --------------  --------------  --------  --------  ------  ----P 808C9040  PKC0  80954D80     5  808C54C0     0  MKC500    8082A500  TZ88    CD50P 808A8640  PKA0  808C2BC0     0  808944C0     0  DKA0      808C2400  RZ1BB-  0656P                 808C3440     4  808C3500     0  DKA400    808C2C80  RRD46   0557P                 8094E740     5  808C7200     0  MKA500    8084D3C0  SDT-90  4.05   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:32:16 -0700i! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com 2 Subject: Re: VMS BASIC and IP Performance QuestionD Message-ID: <OF92852A04.8BA15060-ON88256A53.0065A489@foundation.com>  K I can confirm that from experience, although you don't actually have to MAP1I the string to get the performance. I've seen 70% performance improvements-J out of replacing heavy dynamic string usage with MID$ to do the changes inA a pre-extended string. Of course, your mileage will vary greatly.o   Shane           = xenman <xenman@sprynet.nospaam.com> on 05/21/2001 08:10:16 AMl  5 Please respond to xenman <xenman@sprynet.nospaam.com>p   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn cc:e  3 Subject:  Re: VMS BASIC and IP Performance Questions    6 With respect to BASIC, the most efficient way to build8 a large string from lots of smaller pieces of data would probably be something like:   #     MAP (MYDATA) STRING BIG = 32767,     DECLARE STRING SHORT!     DECLARE LONG POINTER, COUNTER      :n     :i%     MID$(BIG,POINTER,COUNTER) = SHORTm     :s: Where POINTER and COUNTER indicate where in the big string7 you want to place the shorter data.  The key here is toV" avoid using large dynamic strings.  ) I don't have an answer for the QIOW part.0    = Michael D. Ober <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> wrote in messages) news:Dj9O6.86$6x.70698@news.uswest.net...tG > Which of the two scenerios below will provide better performance on aI AlphaoK > Server running OpenVMS 7.2-1 with the DEC TCP/IP package?  Both sceneriosa@ > are written in VMS Basic and all IP writes are via QIOW calls. >e; > 1.  Build a large string and then send it all at once; ore# > 2.  Send multiple smaller stringsr >eA > The question is which is more efficient, BASIC's string garbagen
 collectionF > (along with judicious use of the LEN() function to ensure the string doesn'tM? > exceed 32K), or the QIOW calls to send over an IP connection.j >: > --	 > Thanks,  > Mike Ober. >- >  >p   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 03:42:21 GMTe2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc1 Message-ID: <xelO6.4$k3.1174@typhoon.aracnet.com>   3 Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote:SH > Only problem I've seen with doing this is that very few devices have aL > goes-in and a goes-out connector.  (Pardon the technical jargon. :-)  MostK > only have a goes-in, so you can't daisy chain.  The industry seems intent > > on forcing us to buy as many $40 USB hubs as possible.  Grr.  I Don't forget the devices that will only work if directly plugged into thetJ computer.  I was embarassed to learn that the LS120 drive I recommended myL Mom get for her iBook wouldn't work when plugged into her USB hub, and sinceL the iBook only has one USB port that's a *real* problem!  Then there is the H problem with the computer freaking out and my needing to go find time to/ stop by and reconfigure her software for her.  .  I Grr is right!  USB sucks!  In my case it added the cost of ADB-to-USB and L Serial-to-USB converters to the last Mac I bought so I could continue to use8 my *good* keyboard and mouse, and 12x12 Graphics Tablet.  H Why do I get the impression that we'll soon need someone to come up withC PS/2-to-USB converters so we can put proper keyboards on VMS boxes!    			Zaneo   ------------------------------   Date: 21 May 2001 18:07:54 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)m Subject: VMS<->RSTSr+ Message-ID: <9eblhq$a9c$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>   E Is it possible for a VAX running VMS-7.1 to communicate with a PDP-11lC running RSTS/E V10.1-L if both of them are running DECNET??  Anyonee< provide pointers into what I need to do to accomplish this??   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:11:21 -0500i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>s Subject: Re: VMS<->RSTS ' Message-ID: <3B096859.64184516@fsi.net>e   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > G > Is it possible for a VAX running VMS-7.1 to communicate with a PDP-11tE > running RSTS/E V10.1-L if both of them are running DECNET??  Anyone.> > provide pointers into what I need to do to accomplish this??  C Well, it's been a while (VAX/VMS V3.4, RSTS/E V7.2 + DECnet/E), butME assuming you have DECnet running and everyone "sees" everyone else one+ the network, I believe it's just the usual:C  ? $ COPY nodename["username password"]::ddcu:<dir>filename.ext []   F IIRC, RSTS/E has had DCL since V8.x or so. The syntax on either systemF in either direction should be identical, except for the differences in source filespec formats.  > Again, it's been a good 18+ years, so I could be very wrong...   FWIW...    -- g David J. DachteraB dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:56:27 -0700 0 From: "William S. LaCounte" <vmsmanager@ups.edu> Subject: Re: VMS<->RSTS # Message-ID: <3B0972EB.6C89@ups.edu>a  E Yes. We did that here for many years with several PDP-11/83's and VAXe4 4000-500's. I have also done it the RSX on the 11's.  E The key is to use DECnet Phase IV on the VAXes and DECnet/RSTS on thetB 11's. To play safe I have always defined all nodes on all machines within DECnet.  " If you need more help let me know.   Bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:24:55 -0700 1 From: David D Miller <ddmiller@west.raytheon.com>e Subject: Re: VMS<->RSTSoF Message-ID: <OF8AEF9F7C.31851107-ON07256A53.006FCC4B@rsc.raytheon.com>  I I'm not sure about RSTS but we regularly DECnet between RSX and Alpha/VMS1 without problems.n   dave.t          E bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) on 05/21/2001 11:07:54 AMt  = Please respond to bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)T   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn cc:s   Subject:  VMS<->RSTS    E Is it possible for a VAX running VMS-7.1 to communicate with a PDP-11MC running RSTS/E V10.1-L if both of them are running DECNET??  Anyonea< provide pointers into what I need to do to accomplish this??   bill   --J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:30:02 -0400$  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: VMS<->RSTSs6 Message-ID: <1010521171554.23886B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  & On 21 May 2001, Bill Gunshannon wrote:  G > Is it possible for a VAX running VMS-7.1 to communicate with a PDP-11nE > running RSTS/E V10.1-L if both of them are running DECNET??  Anyone > > provide pointers into what I need to do to accomplish this?? >  > bill  @ Yes, should work fine.  I found it easier to transfer files from? the PDP-11 side because you can make the decision about whethery@ to transfer it as an RMS file (preserve attributes), as a binary? file (collection of 512-byte blocks) or as a text file (convertt? to/from various RMS text formats to RSTS/E text file (basically?A stream-CRLF format) and tell NFT what to do.  On the VMS side, ita= will push/pull everything as an RMS file, and I think non-RMSwB RSTS/E files end up as sequential-fixed 512 byte record RMS files.  E For SET HOST, recent VMS versions require SET HOST/APPLICATION=RTERM.u@ I think there was a bug in the Alpha version of this that causedE an immediate stackdump.  DEC sent us a corrected version of RTPAD.EXEtC but I don't know if the fix ever made it into the released version. ? (Our last PDP-11 went away in November, 1999.)  As far as I can 1 remember, SET HOST always worked fine from VAXes.   > SET HOST the other way required the unsupported version of the> RSTS set-host utility, NETUNS.TSK instead of NET.TSK.  I never? had any problems with NETUNS, so I just renamed DECNET$:NET.TSK0= to NETSUP.TSK, and renamed NETUNS.TSK to NET.TSK, so set host  would always use NETUNS.  C Other DECNET stuff (i.e. task-to-task communications) always workedd/ fine for me, given the limitations of DECNET/E.c  > On the VMS side, we were running both Phase-IV and Phase-V, on? both VAXes and Alphas (VAXen and Alphii?)  Except for the RTPADE@ problem on Alphas, I don't remember any particular problems, but it has been a while...   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 01:24:59 GMTe From: dgordon@compaq.com/ Subject: Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware questions+ Message-ID: <3b09bede.86537562@news.mv.net>t  @ On 18 May 2001 17:59:58 +0200, holitska_a@ludens.elte.hu (Holi - Holitska Andrs) wrote:o     > 7 >	Does anybody know some details about the architecture 6 >	of the VXT2000? Is it mentioned/described in the VAX6 >	Architecture Reference Manual (I don't have one :/)? >t7 >	Why I'm asking these silly questions: I had the idea,p7 >	of trying to boot VMS (yes :]) on a VXT2000 back half 6 >	a year ago. I've set up a VMS, to accept the VXT2000) >	MOP request, as it would be a satelite.P >:  E It was a business requirement of both the InfoServer and VXT projectsCE that neither piece of hardware could boot VMS.  The boot ROMs of both4D systems are modified from the defualt in such a way that images thatA follow the normal boot protocol will fail and only special images 5 designed for the InfoServer or VXT hardware will run.    Doug GordonO( Former InfoServer Kernel project leader.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:28:22 +0100-- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>03 Subject: [Change topic] Quintessential cluelessnessa1 Message-ID: <3B0909E6.4125E046@BlueBubble.UK.Com>t  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  e  M > You want clueless?  Go talk to the folks that I made the mistake of workingtN > for circa 7 years ago if you want the quintescential definition of clueless.  9 Aw, c'mon Brian.  You can't possibly leave it like that !b   Details, Brian, details !d  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:07:35 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>n@ Subject: Re: [DCPS] Page accounting for color laser PS printers?$ Message-ID: <3b09597e$1@news.si.com>  E >I've looked at the DCPS SPD and I'm wondering if there are any color > >laser postscript printers that it can collect page accounting8 >information on (supported or not) for billing purposes.  J I see this as an impossibility since, unless it interprets the Postscript,D the symbiont can't possibly tell how many physical pages a job mightK produce.  I five megabyte job might produce one page, while a 256K byte jobtK might generate 12 physical pages.  Only the printer knows for sure and thenh only after the job is finished.2 --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comiA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevente< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:45:26 -0400o0 From: paul.r.anderson@compaq.com (Paul Anderson)@ Subject: Re: [DCPS] Page accounting for color laser PS printers?P Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-2105011445260001@dhcp-16-21-34-107.eng.lkg.dec.com>  4 In article <3b09597e$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman", <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote:  M >> I've looked at the DCPS SPD and I'm wondering if there are any color laseroI >> postscript printers that it can collect page accounting information onf+ >> (supported or not) for billing purposes.n >nL > I see this as an impossibility since, unless it interprets the Postscript,F > the symbiont can't possibly tell how many physical pages a job mightM > produce.  I five megabyte job might produce one page, while a 256K byte joboM > might generate 12 physical pages.  Only the printer knows for sure and then3! > only after the job is finished.e  H DCPS queries the printer before and after the job is sent to the printerF to determine how many pages were printed.  One problem is that not allH printers adhere to the Adobe PostScript standard, and report page countsE by pages _printed_ not _interpreted_.  How many pages were physicallyoA printed during the interpretation of your job is not particularlyaD interesting and, when reported as your page count, is usually wrong.   Paul   -- p
 Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering  Compaq Computer Corporation   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:19:19 -0400 - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>a@ Subject: Re: [DCPS] Page accounting for color laser PS printers?( Message-ID: <3B096A38.3482F617@ohio.edu>  K It was my understanding that Postscript printers are capable of telling theoJ symbiont, after printing, how many physical pages were in fact printed.  IC seem to recall that one of the major problems for the DCPS staff in I "supporting" a new printer is making sure that feature works as expected.   +                                         RDPl     Brian Tillman wrote:  G > >I've looked at the DCPS SPD and I'm wondering if there are any color @ > >laser postscript printers that it can collect page accounting: > >information on (supported or not) for billing purposes. > L > I see this as an impossibility since, unless it interprets the Postscript,F > the symbiont can't possibly tell how many physical pages a job mightM > produce.  I five megabyte job might produce one page, while a 256K byte job0M > might generate 12 physical pages.  Only the printer knows for sure and then0! > only after the job is finished.  > --C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com C > Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comp? > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent > > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@": >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:43:45 -0400 0 From: paul.r.anderson@compaq.com (Paul Anderson)@ Subject: Re: [DCPS] Page accounting for color laser PS printers?P Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-2105011643450001@dhcp-16-21-34-107.eng.lkg.dec.com>  @ In article <3B096A38.3482F617@ohio.edu>, piccard@ohio.edu wrote:  M > It was my understanding that Postscript printers are capable of telling the I > symbiont, after printing, how many physical pages were in fact printed.   J PostScript printers keep track of how many pages are printed via a counterI called PageCount.  The Adobe PostScript Language Reference Manual defines 
 PageCount as:   !     PageCount integer (Read-only)S  C     The number of pages that have been successfully processed since D     manufacture, counting the number of copies for each showpage (asK     specified by the value of #copies in the current dictionary stack or by I     the LanguageLevel 2 page device parameter NumCopies).  Even pages not-H     physically printedbecause of manual feed timeout, job abort, or anyJ     other reasonare included in the count.  The count will be accurate atA     the end of each job, but not necessarily after each showpage.0  @ All Digital-brand PostScript printers and most of the subsequentJ Compaq-branded PostScript printers did the "right thing" by counting pagesG INTERPRETED, not PHYSICALLY PRINTED.  HP, for one, keeps track of pages. physically printed.   I Since jobs are interpreted by the printer's PostScript interpreter before.I being sent to the engine for printing, the number of pages interpreted iseJ an accurate count of the number of pages in your job.  Software, includingG DCPS, has no idea of when or if your job gets physically printed.  WhendJ the printer is finished interpreting your job, it reports back to the hostJ that the job is finished.  At this point, the printer may be still warmingG up, printing someone else's job or printing the beginning of your job. eB With today's large printer buffer sizes and fast interpreters, the< interpreter might get a good deal ahead of the print engine.  F So, when DCPS asks for the page count at the beginning and end of yourH job, and the printer returns the number of pages physically printed, you? can see that it probably is not the same as the number of pages H interpreted (and presumably eventually physically printed) for your job.  G > I seem to recall that one of the major problems for the DCPS staff iniK > "supporting" a new printer is making sure that feature works as expected.n  I That's true, although we haven't paid much attention to whether a printeriH reports an accurate page count.  I believe we should, although we do notH guarantee the accuracy of "third-party" printers' page counts.  Now thatG there is renewed focus on supporting "third-party" printers, perhaps wetF should determine whether an accurate page count can be obtained from a; particular printer and disable accounting for that printer.   J I think NO page count would be more helpful than an INCORRECT page count. F This is what I meant by "interesting" in my previous post.  A count ofC pages physically printed during the interpreting of your job is nots meaningful or interesting.     Paul   -- h
 Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering  Compaq Computer Corporation   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.281 ************************