1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 22 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 282       Contents: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq RE: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq% (Solved)Pascal program not running...  Re: 7.2-2 availability Re: 7.3 back compatibility kits   Adding new 36 GB disk to VMS 6.2 Re: Alpha Architecture" Alphaserver 300 and OpenVMS V7.2-1( Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS?( Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS?( Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS? Re: Backup to CD?  Re: Backup to CD?  Re: Backup to CD?  Re: comp.os.vms archives ?+ DEC 700 Terminal Server on pure UCX TCP/IP? / Re: DEC 700 Terminal Server on pure UCX TCP/IP? $ Re: DEC-Keyboards to not-DEC systems Re: DFO on system disks ; Re: error: DECW$DEVICE-I_NODEVICE, no graphics device found  Euro character and Motif 1.2-6" Re: Euro character and Motif 1.2-6" Re: Euro character and Motif 1.2-6 Re: Free emulator to VMS...  Re: Free emulator to VMS...  Re: Free emulator to VMS...  Re: Free emulator to VMS...  Re: Free emulator to VMS...  Re: ftp program in OpenVMS Re: ftp scripting  Re: ftp scripting  Re: ftp scripting - RE: Hobbyist DECNET License (was: VMS<->RSTS) - Re: Hobbyist DECNET License (was: VMS<->RSTS) : If backup does not select any files, why do a verify pass?> Re: If backup does not select any files, why do a verify pass?> Re: If backup does not select any files, why do a verify pass? Re: Laser Power event  Re: Mozilla 0.9  Re: Mozilla 0.9 , Mozilla eater of resources (Re: Mozilla 0.9)
 Oracle x NATO  Re: Oracle x NATO ! Re: Pascal program not running...  Press Release from PointSecure Promotions at Q. Re: Promotions at Q. Re: Promotions at Q. Re: Promotions at Q. Re: Promotions at Q. RE: Promotions at Q. Re: Promotions at Q.! Re: Resetting queue Entry Numbers  savesets not exceeding 650 MB ! Re: savesets not exceeding 650 MB ! Re: savesets not exceeding 650 MB ! Re: savesets not exceeding 650 MB ! Re: savesets not exceeding 650 MB ! Re: savesets not exceeding 650 MB  SCP/SSH, VMS 5.x, UCX 3.3  Re: SCSI Cluster Problem Re: SCSI Cluster Problem Re: SCSI Cluster Problem Re: SCSI Cluster Problem Re: SCSI Cluster Problem Re: Show Device D Problems Re: Show Device D Problems Re: Show Device D Problems Stop a "lost process" < Re: tcpip services / ucx latest version? - passive mode ftp? Re: TZ88: read performance ?E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc & Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware question& Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware question& Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware question7 Re: [DCPS] Page accounting for color laser PS printers? 7 Re: [DCPS] Page accounting for color laser PS printers? ' Re: [PATHWORKS-32] What is the future ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  ! Date: Tue, 22 May 01 09:05:59 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com ! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq + Message-ID: <9edj1j$9rg$2@bob.news.rcn.net>   1 In article <gJlO6.6$k3.1174@typhoon.aracnet.com>, 6    "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote:C >In comp.os.vms Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: H >> We simply are not going to see a $995 VMS workstation. But there are  peopleK >> within Compaq who realize that a Samsung UP1500-based system with 128MB   ofF >> memory, a 10GB disk, an entry 2D graphics card, and a VMS or Tru64  license J >> could be built and profitably sold for $2995. This won't happen unless  the  > H >In light of the Sunblade 100 they really need to try and get that priceI >closer to the $995 than $2995.  Though if that $2995 included SCSI and a L >24-Bit graphics card I think I'd be trying hard to convince my wife I need  a F >new computer :^)  Shoot, I could probably live without the SCSI even.  < Ptui.  You get what you pay for.  I know a lot of people who: have had to give up VMS, very relunctantly, because of the= Digital^WCompaq policies.  History is simply repeating itself  for the (at least) third time.   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:39:21 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq < Message-ID: <JdsO6.1863$QP6.2175183@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3B09E1C5.74B5C0DB@fsi.net...  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: 
 > > [snip]? > > Unlike Usenet commentary, the data gathered by the advocacy L > > mechanism is seen and reviewed at the vice-presidential level, hence theI > > tool provides customers with an opportunity to influence the company.  > H > Given suitable leverage, I'd make it mandatory for those folks to lurkI > on Usenet at least 5 hours/week. We may not be the "movers, shakers and H > decision-makers", but that doesn't mean we've nothing valuable to say. >   H Good idea, but I doubt that Howard Elias, Rich Marcello, and Mark GorhamJ have anywhere near that much discretionary time. On the other hand, CompaqJ has committed to the online advocacy tool, so there's a level of assurance> that comments made therein will be seen by the powers that be.  K Compaq is heavily influenced by market research statistics, here's a chance D to give 'em statistics on topics that we--not the internal Marketing" Departments--deem to be important.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2001 14:15:46 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq * Message-ID: <3b0a5872$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  t In article <_%bO6.10837$5X4.2744098@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:C >Do you want Compaq to offer affordable VMS workstations, marketing K >initiatives that focus on enterprise products (instead of PCs), more Alpha  >or VMS Diamond Forums, etc? > ? >Best way to let 'em know is to use the online advocacy tool at  >www.compaqworkinggroup.org   E Are you sure ? If I try to use this tool, I alway get complaints that E I have to enable JAVASCRIPT. And, yes, I already did allow javascript  in my MOZILLA 0.9. But alas.  4 I know worse webservers, but not from VMS friends...   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:46:59 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br ! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq L Message-ID: <OF6C8D2195.E62C1D7A-ON03256A54.00404AE6@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   In my own personal opinion:   ; Compaq should develop an "In-a-box"  solution with OpenVMS. < For example:  like the DS10L running Linux for Web services,I Compaq should sell DS10L running OpenVMS for Messaging, High Availbility,  Backup, Security, etc ... K With all the products configured. Just turn on the server and configure the  products for the respective environment.    Regards    FC        ( jmfbahciv@aol.com em 22/05/2001 06:05:59  # Favor responder a jmfbahciv@aol.com              Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       ! Assunto: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq     1 In article <gJlO6.6$k3.1174@typhoon.aracnet.com>, 6    "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote:C >In comp.os.vms Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: G >> We simply are not going to see a $995 VMS workstation. But there are  peopleJ >> within Compaq who realize that a Samsung UP1500-based system with 128MB ofE >> memory, a 10GB disk, an entry 2D graphics card, and a VMS or Tru64  license I >> could be built and profitably sold for $2995. This won't happen unless  the  > H >In light of the Sunblade 100 they really need to try and get that priceI >closer to the $995 than $2995.  Though if that $2995 included SCSI and a K >24-Bit graphics card I think I'd be trying hard to convince my wife I need  a F >new computer :^)  Shoot, I could probably live without the SCSI even.  < Ptui.  You get what you pay for.  I know a lot of people who: have had to give up VMS, very relunctantly, because of the= Digital^WCompaq policies.  History is simply repeating itself  for the (at least) third time.   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:46:02 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq < Message-ID: <ectO6.1904$QP6.2188142@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  7 "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in message $ news:3b0a5872$1@news.kapsch.co.at...I > In article <_%bO6.10837$5X4.2744098@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. , Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:E > >Do you want Compaq to offer affordable VMS workstations, marketing G > >initiatives that focus on enterprise products (instead of PCs), more  Alpha  > >or VMS Diamond Forums, etc? > > A > >Best way to let 'em know is to use the online advocacy tool at  > >www.compaqworkinggroup.org  > G > Are you sure ? If I try to use this tool, I alway get complaints that G > I have to enable JAVASCRIPT. And, yes, I already did allow javascript  > in my MOZILLA 0.9. But alas. > 6 > I know worse webservers, but not from VMS friends...  J Yeah, you do have to enable the evil javascript. The Web tool was built toL accommodate the vast majority of users, e.g. those who use Windoze and Java.  H There are two options for VMS users. One is to email comments and issuesK directly to webmaster@compaqworkinggroup.org. Alternatively, you can log in 3 from a home peecee or a peecee at an Internet cafe.   F An ideal solution? Nope. A "Better Answer?" Nope. But it's better than nothing at all!    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:11:36 -0500 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> ! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq 8 Message-ID: <9edoi9$bn0$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  ? OK.  Now put this idea/suggestion in www.compaqworkinggroup.org    Dave...   6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OF6C8D2195.E62C1D7A-ON03256A54.00404AE6@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br... > In my own personal opinion:  > = > Compaq should develop an "In-a-box"  solution with OpenVMS. > > For example:  like the DS10L running Linux for Web services,K > Compaq should sell DS10L running OpenVMS for Messaging, High Availbility,  > Backup, Security, etc ... I > With all the products configured. Just turn on the server and configure  the 
 > products! > for the respective environment.  > 	 > Regards  >  > FC >  >  >  > * > jmfbahciv@aol.com em 22/05/2001 06:05:59 > % > Favor responder a jmfbahciv@aol.com  >  >  >  >       Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >  >  > # > Assunto: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq  >  > 3 > In article <gJlO6.6$k3.1174@typhoon.aracnet.com>, 8 >    "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote:E > >In comp.os.vms Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: I > >> We simply are not going to see a $995 VMS workstation. But there are  > peopleL > >> within Compaq who realize that a Samsung UP1500-based system with 128MB > ofG > >> memory, a 10GB disk, an entry 2D graphics card, and a VMS or Tru64 	 > license K > >> could be built and profitably sold for $2995. This won't happen unless  > the  > > J > >In light of the Sunblade 100 they really need to try and get that priceK > >closer to the $995 than $2995.  Though if that $2995 included SCSI and a H > >24-Bit graphics card I think I'd be trying hard to convince my wife I need > a H > >new computer :^)  Shoot, I could probably live without the SCSI even. > > > Ptui.  You get what you pay for.  I know a lot of people who< > have had to give up VMS, very relunctantly, because of the? > Digital^WCompaq policies.  History is simply repeating itself   > for the (at least) third time. >  > /BAH > ) > Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.  >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:12:54 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq ' Message-ID: <3B0A65D6.AFC40782@fsi.net>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > 9 > "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in message & > news:3b0a5872$1@news.kapsch.co.at...K > > In article <_%bO6.10837$5X4.2744098@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. . > Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:G > > >Do you want Compaq to offer affordable VMS workstations, marketing I > > >initiatives that focus on enterprise products (instead of PCs), more  > Alpha   > > >or VMS Diamond Forums, etc? > > > C > > >Best way to let 'em know is to use the online advocacy tool at  > > >www.compaqworkinggroup.org  > > I > > Are you sure ? If I try to use this tool, I alway get complaints that I > > I have to enable JAVASCRIPT. And, yes, I already did allow javascript   > > in my MOZILLA 0.9. But alas. > > 8 > > I know worse webservers, but not from VMS friends... > L > Yeah, you do have to enable the evil javascript. The Web tool was built toN > accommodate the vast majority of users, e.g. those who use Windoze and Java.  E D'ya ever notice that everytime someone comes up with another "better H idea" (M$ calls it an "innovation"), we SysAdmins have to come up with a defense against it?   J > There are two options for VMS users. One is to email comments and issuesM > directly to webmaster@compaqworkinggroup.org. Alternatively, you can log in 5 > from a home peecee or a peecee at an Internet cafe.   D I gave in and got my first PC back in '91 (386SX/16, 102MB disk, 1MB@ RAM). Maybe I shoulda learned the lesson then, given the current professional prospects.   H > An ideal solution? Nope. A "Better Answer?" Nope. But it's better than > nothing at all!   E They should call us "the new Settlers", considering how many times we $ must decide what we'll settle for...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2001 13:59:44 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) ! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq , Message-ID: <9edrcg$1bk1$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  < In article <ectO6.1904$QP6.2188142@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,7  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  |>   |>  M |> Yeah, you do have to enable the evil javascript. The Web tool was built to O |> accommodate the vast majority of users, e.g. those who use Windoze and Java.  |>  K |> There are two options for VMS users. One is to email comments and issues N |> directly to webmaster@compaqworkinggroup.org. Alternatively, you can log in6 |> from a home peecee or a peecee at an Internet cafe.  D Or accept the third option which is that Compaq doesn't give a rat's pitootie about VMS users.    |>  I |> An ideal solution? Nope. A "Better Answer?" Nope. But it's better than  |> nothing at all!  9 Actually, it seems indistinguishable from nothing at all.    bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:11:41 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to CompaqB: Message-ID: <xsuO6.355$zl5.232440@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message& news:9edrcg$1bk1$1@info.cs.uofs.edu...> > In article <ectO6.1904$QP6.2188142@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,9 >  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:f > |> > |>L > |> Yeah, you do have to enable the evil javascript. The Web tool was built toK > |> accommodate the vast majority of users, e.g. those who use Windoze and  Java.I > |>F > |> There are two options for VMS users. One is to email comments and issuesI > |> directly to webmaster@compaqworkinggroup.org. Alternatively, you cans log in8 > |> from a home peecee or a peecee at an Internet cafe. >BF > Or accept the third option which is that Compaq doesn't give a rat's > pitootie about VMS users.   H That claim is inconsistent with the VMS Technical Forums in DC, DFW, andJ most recently in London and Zurich. And the AlphaServer Forum in Brussels.A And oops, almost forgot, the Diamond Forum in NYC just yesterday.i  J The valuable presence of Sue Skonetski, Hoff Hoffman, etc in the newsgroupL notwithstanding, Compaq management in general does not pay much attention toD Usenet doings. They are far more likely to pay attention to comments submitted via the online tool.   ------------------------------  ! Date: Tue, 22 May 01 11:42:40 GMTo From: jmfbahciv@aol.com?! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq + Message-ID: <9eds7b$llg$1@bob.news.rcn.net>w  < In article <ectO6.1904$QP6.2188142@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,8    "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: >V8 >"Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in message% >news:3b0a5872$1@news.kapsch.co.at...wJ >> In article <_%bO6.10837$5X4.2744098@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C.- >Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: F >> >Do you want Compaq to offer affordable VMS workstations, marketingH >> >initiatives that focus on enterprise products (instead of PCs), more >Alpha >> >or VMS Diamond Forums, etc?n >> >B >> >Best way to let 'em know is to use the online advocacy tool at >> >www.compaqworkinggroup.org >>H >> Are you sure ? If I try to use this tool, I alway get complaints thatH >> I have to enable JAVASCRIPT. And, yes, I already did allow javascript >> in my MOZILLA 0.9. But alas.v >>7 >> I know worse webservers, but not from VMS friends...  >sK >Yeah, you do have to enable the evil javascript. The Web tool was built toa4 >accommodate the vast majority of users, e.g. those  >who use Windoze and Java.   <snip>  ' Do you realize how silly this sounds?  D   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2001 15:02:34 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaqi, Message-ID: <9edv2a$o46@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  t In article <f0iO6.11316$5X4.2923506@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >r8 >We simply are not going to see a $995 VMS workstation.   J That's a pity because the price point has moved on again.  When I did the K PCVMS survey $2500 was price competitive, it is not now.  If the Q finally  I did manage to ship a $2500 machine it would be once more at the 3X price CL and 20% more performance (and the second value is doubtful, given the speed G increases in the AMD and Intel lines.)  For once I'd like to see Compaq K offer VMS with purchase price *value*.  (Digital did this for a while with tK the VAX in the early 80's, which is the primary reason they did so well in oJ then, and Compaq does so poorly now.)  I say this having just put togetherG a machine based on a Sun netra motherboard which is sort of a souped up J version of the Blade 100.  Other than the motherboard it is literally justI commodity PC components (good ones, but commodity).  The whole thing costeJ $2300, is a server with no user limitations, and has a 75 Gb IBM ATA disk,G DVD drive, and 1 Gb of RAM.  (No graphics card in there, as there was avI delivery problem with the one card that would have worked and I needed tovI get this machine on line.  That card, by the way, was only $160 or so andlK included sound as well.)   It outperforms the DS10 it replaces by a mile oneE disk IO with our applications and since most of our apps are strictlyoK limited by that, it is actually faster overall than the DS10.  (But that isoH a VMS slow IO issue - not a hardware one, other than the cruddy ATA33 in+ the DS10 vs. the ATA66 on the netra card.) D  J The point is, Sun can build this, Sun is building this, and evidently, SunF is selling them, at least to certain disgruntled ex-Compaq customers.   K >within Compaq who realize that a Samsung UP1500-based system with 128MB of7K >memory, a 10GB disk, an entry 2D graphics card, and a VMS or Tru64 licensem/ >could be built and profitably sold for $2995. n  M And the customers ignoring it in droves and buying instead $1000 Athlons and oG running Linux on them - which will be nearly as fast and 1/3 the price.aI Moreover, Compaq seems to have picked the wrong horse in the memory race BG and that built in Rambus controller may very well mean that memory for cK Alphas will once again cost more than memory for the competition.  That 1Gb I of memory in my new machine is registered PC133 direct from crucial.com -rD having to buy that much memory from Sun (or Compaq) would have been  completely out of the question.t  H Compaq cannot compete against commodity hardware on price, and more and K more so, they can barely compete on performance.  Perhaps they should just oJ accept the inevitable and deal with AMD, trading them Alpha technology forJ key design changes in AMDs forthcoming chips that would allow VMS, Tru64, G and Tandem to use those parts - and then port like mad.  The net effect C should be that it would allow at least the first two OS's to run onmH commodity systems which would drive the hardware cost for both down intoH the range where they could compete toe to toe with WNT, W2k, WinXP etc. J And they could still build big machines out of the AMD CPUs and charge theG high margins there. Probably they'd come out way ahead by not having tol' spend money on their proprietary chip.     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:10:27 -0500t* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>! Subject: RE: "Talk Baq" to Compaqs- Message-ID: <0033000025025695000002L052*@MHS>   - =0AIs this "Talk Bag" a new VMS premium item?t  
 WWWebb :^)   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETe& > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:35 AMF > To: Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET# > Subject: RE: "Talk Baq" to Compaqe >2 >y> > In article <ectO6.1904$QP6.2188142@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,: >    "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: > >b: > >"Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in message' > >news:3b0a5872$1@news.kapsch.co.at...a > >> In articleo> > <_%bO6.10837$5X4.2744098@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C./ > >Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:tH > >> >Do you want Compaq to offer affordable VMS workstations, marketin= g ? > >> >initiatives that focus on enterprise products (instead ofm > PCs), more > >Alpha! > >> >or VMS Diamond Forums, etc?r > >> >D > >> >Best way to let 'em know is to use the online advocacy tool at  > >> >www.compaqworkinggroup.org > >>: > >> Are you sure ? If I try to use this tool, I alway get > complaints thats? > >> I have to enable JAVASCRIPT. And, yes, I already did allowB > javascript! > >> in my MOZILLA 0.9. But alas.l > >>9 > >> I know worse webservers, but not from VMS friends...  > > ; > >Yeah, you do have to enable the evil javascript. The Web  > tool was built to.5 > >accommodate the vast majority of users, e.g. thosen > >who use Windoze and Java. >  > <snip> >n' > Do you realize how silly this sounds?i >. > /BAH >-) > Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.2 >=   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:28:27 GMT>4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq": Message-ID: <vAvO6.371$zl5.256821@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message ' news:0033000025025695000002L052*@MHS...o  * Is this "Talk Bag" a new VMS premium item?  G Nope. Just a way to get your voice heard (for sure) and acted upon (onea would hope).   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:27:07 GMTp4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaql: Message-ID: <fzvO6.370$zl5.256534@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  ? "David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in messagee& news:9edv2a$o46@gap.cco.caltech.edu...I > In article <f0iO6.11316$5X4.2923506@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C.o, Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > >n9 > >We simply are not going to see a $995 VMS workstation.  > K > That's a pity because the price point has moved on again.  When I did the?L > PCVMS survey $2500 was price competitive, it is not now.  If the Q finallyJ > did manage to ship a $2500 machine it would be once more at the 3X priceG > and 20% more performance (and the second value is doubtful, given the  speeds( > increases in the AMD and Intel lines.)  K According to data gathered via the advocacy tool, 85 percent of respondentsaK would pay a 2X Wintel workstation price premium for an AlphaStation runningoJ a REAL OS; 12 percent would pay 3X. Since workstation .ne. entry Presario,% the $2.5K-$3K price point might work.o  = It would damnsure work better than the current pricing model.       J > >within Compaq who realize that a Samsung UP1500-based system with 128MB ofE > >memory, a 10GB disk, an entry 2D graphics card, and a VMS or Tru64  license,0 > >could be built and profitably sold for $2995. > J > And the customers ignoring it in droves and buying instead $1000 Athlons and I > running Linux on them - which will be nearly as fast and 1/3 the price.   I Linux, yes. But NOT VMS or Tru64, which is the real value proposition forT Alpha.  J > Moreover, Compaq seems to have picked the wrong horse in the memory raceH > and that built in Rambus controller may very well mean that memory forI > Alphas will once again cost more than memory for the competition.  That  1Gb K > of memory in my new machine is registered PC133 direct from crucial.com -0E > having to buy that much memory from Sun (or Compaq) would have been0! > completely out of the question.0  H I think it's safe to assume that when EV7 rolls around (Pass One siliconK should get powered up next month) this will be the case. The decision to goCH with Rambus was based on Compaq's contention that nothing short of eightH Rambus straws could provide the bandwidth needed to satiate the EV7 CPU.K Still, this won't be an issue for a couple of years: EV7 enterprise servers J won't debut until late next year at the earliest, and I'd venture to guessA that EV7 workstations won't debut for at least a year thereafter.R   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:14:44 +0100M% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>r! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaqe8 Message-ID: <lb0lgtop26h6i7rf0aankvkttl7flids7t@4ax.com>  4 On Tue, 22 May 2001 12:46:02 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:    K >Yeah, you do have to enable the evil javascript. The Web tool was built to-M >accommodate the vast majority of users, e.g. those who use Windoze and Java.  >0I >There are two options for VMS users. One is to email comments and issues L >directly to webmaster@compaqworkinggroup.org. Alternatively, you can log in4 >from a home peecee or a peecee at an Internet cafe.  E And it works directly for me under VMS Mozilla 0.9. I have Javascriptd enabled and Java disabled.   >aG >An ideal solution? Nope. A "Better Answer?" Nope. But it's better thant >nothing at all! >e   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:18:33 -04002; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>u! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to CompaqT" Message-ID: <3b0a916d@news.si.com>  F >As for affordable Alpha workstations, you are right, the response wasI >totally inadequate. It's clearly an important issue, as evidenced by the K >number of voters willing to pay a 2X Intel price for an Alpha workstation. D >And, of course, as evidenced by the polling data at www.djesys.com.  A Terry, that's only because Compaq didn't allow any smaller ratio.  -- hA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comaA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com)= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:19:17 +01001% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>d! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaqt8 Message-ID: <jn0lgt0cf5vrl116pjlloop50nh62o1nf7@4ax.com>  4 On Tue, 22 May 2001 14:11:41 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  I >That claim is inconsistent with the VMS Technical Forums in DC, DFW, andeK >most recently in London and Zurich. And the AlphaServer Forum in Brussels.eB >And oops, almost forgot, the Diamond Forum in NYC just yesterday. >oK >The valuable presence of Sue Skonetski, Hoff Hoffman, etc in the newsgroupsM >notwithstanding, Compaq management in general does not pay much attention toeE >Usenet doings. They are far more likely to pay attention to comments, >submitted via the online tool.e >t  E It's only Sun that has the marketing sense to dedicate an employee tot monitoring comp.os.vms...  -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:20:04 -0400h- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>t! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaqc4 Message-ID: <zlwO6.240279$Z2.2655035@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message-4 news:fzvO6.370$zl5.256534@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... >...A > According to data gathered via the advocacy tool, 85 percent ofo respondentssE > would pay a 2X Wintel workstation price premium for an AlphaStation7 runninghB > a REAL OS; 12 percent would pay 3X. Since workstation .ne. entry	 Presario,D' > the $2.5K-$3K price point might work.  >...  E But IIRC anybody who hit this question had a choice of 2X, 3X, 4X butaF not 1X or 1.5X or even a "none of the above." IIRC I tried to skip theF question but the idiotic programmer who designed the page decided thatE I had to agree to pay a minimum of 2X the Wintel price before I couldaD move unto the next question. Let's try the question again but let us type a price in.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:30:14 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq : Message-ID: <quwO6.388$zl5.271893@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  F "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote in message news:3b0a916d@news.si.com...H > >As for affordable Alpha workstations, you are right, the response wasK > >totally inadequate. It's clearly an important issue, as evidenced by theR@ > >number of voters willing to pay a 2X Intel price for an Alpha workstation.F > >And, of course, as evidenced by the polling data at www.djesys.com. >eC > Terry, that's only because Compaq didn't allow any smaller ratio.1  G That's not exactly the case. It was the members of the Advocacy WorkingSJ Group who came up with the ballot questions. Hence the blame lies with us.L We operated under the assumption that price parity was (and is) inconsistent with business realities.  K If pigs could fly, and if VMS supported personal productivity apps, I wouldoK gladly pay 2X the price of a peecee for an Affordable AlphaStation(tm). ThesB savings in productivity (not to mention MS-Angst) would offset the3 incremental expense in a very short period of time!l   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:38:13 -0500a1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaqr' Message-ID: <3B0A95F5.D85CEE9C@fsi.net>t   Peter Weaver wrote:" > A > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagea6 > news:fzvO6.370$zl5.256534@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > >...C > > According to data gathered via the advocacy tool, 85 percent ofO
 > respondents1G > > would pay a 2X Wintel workstation price premium for an AlphaStatione	 > runningsD > > a REAL OS; 12 percent would pay 3X. Since workstation .ne. entry > Presario,w) > > the $2.5K-$3K price point might work.o > >... > G > But IIRC anybody who hit this question had a choice of 2X, 3X, 4X butoH > not 1X or 1.5X or even a "none of the above." IIRC I tried to skip theH > question but the idiotic programmer who designed the page decided thatG > I had to agree to pay a minimum of 2X the Wintel price before I couldrF > move unto the next question. Let's try the question again but let us > type a price in.   Second the motion!   -- M David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:44:35 -050011 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>R! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to CompaqD' Message-ID: <3B0A9773.C08B6958@fsi.net>a   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:2 > [snip]G > As for affordable Alpha workstations, you are right, the response was:J > totally inadequate. It's clearly an important issue, as evidenced by theL > number of voters willing to pay a 2X Intel price for an Alpha workstation.E > And, of course, as evidenced by the polling data at www.djesys.com.   G Attendees of CETS2000 may recall that these data, when presented at the>F "Compaq Listens Panel", were dismissed more or less out of hand. So, I& doubt they have any measurable impact.  6 Quoting from http://www.djesys.com/vms/vmspolls.html :  B "These are not scientific polls and there is no guarantee that anyE opinions expressed by this medium will have an impact anywhere in thee
 industry."  G Rather a shame, really. I just wanted folks to have a chance to expressl
 a preference.k   -- s David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:31:38 -0300@) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br1! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq.L Message-ID: <OFDC8C05D6.2906E6DD-ON03256A54.005A91D5@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  G Sun is selling their SunBlade for US$ 999,00 in theory .... here in .BRr with taxes it isG almost US$ 2.000,00 . .  But thinking in USA,/Canada    ....a developert will not buy aG US$ 3.000,00 dollars Alphastation do develop in Tru64 or OpenVMS.... Ife with theB same money he can buy a good PC or SunBlade to develop in Java....   Regards    FC        > "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> em 22/05/2001 13:20:04  9 Favor responder a "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>              Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come      ! Assunto: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaqe    ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 4 news:fzvO6.370$zl5.256534@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... >...A > According to data gathered via the advocacy tool, 85 percent ofO respondents E > would pay a 2X Wintel workstation price premium for an AlphaStationu runningtB > a REAL OS; 12 percent would pay 3X. Since workstation .ne. entry	 Presario,s' > the $2.5K-$3K price point might work.G >...  E But IIRC anybody who hit this question had a choice of 2X, 3X, 4X buthF not 1X or 1.5X or even a "none of the above." IIRC I tried to skip theF question but the idiotic programmer who designed the page decided thatE I had to agree to pay a minimum of 2X the Wintel price before I couldiD move unto the next question. Let's try the question again but let us type a price in.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2001 09:55:53 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) ! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaqe, Message-ID: <zGx$xv0retVX@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  > In article <f0iO6.11316$5X4.2923506@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, :     "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > M > We simply are not going to see a $995 VMS workstation. But there are people1L > within Compaq who realize that a Samsung UP1500-based system with 128MB ofL > memory, a 10GB disk, an entry 2D graphics card, and a VMS or Tru64 license/ > could be built and profitably sold for $2995.   D     Unfortunately that's 3X the PC price, not 2X. Still, it would be an improvement.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:57:09 -0300s1 From: "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br>l. Subject: (Solved)Pascal program not running...< Message-ID: <000a01c0e262$8340fa80$154c88c8@unipobjetivo.br>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0E249.5D7C96B0o Content-Type: text/plain;o 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablea  / Thanks to all guys that answered my question...y  ) Really, I didn't set Ftp to binary mode !   	 Thanks...t  + ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0E249.5D7C96B0  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"f+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>3 <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =  http-equiv=3DContent-Type>6 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2920.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE>  </HEAD>d <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>G <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks to all guys that answered my=20A question...</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>rJ <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Really, I didn't set Ftp to binary mode =   !</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> E <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks...</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>y  - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0E249.5D7C96B0---   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:37:57 GMT12 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: 7.2-2 availability02 Message-ID: <VtxO6.603$fi2.15189@news.cpqcorp.net>  Z In article <fv2L6.511$j02.10059@news.goodnet.com>, "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mcs.net> writes: :Hoff,H :     the TCPIP V5.0a ECO 2 for VAX cover letter also stated that it wasK :compatible with VMS V7.2-2.  Could be boilerplate text at work... but doesCK :this perhaps mean that a rollup version for VAX called V7.2-2 will also be, :made available?  N   I am aware of no plans to provide OpenVMS VAX versions of V7.2-2 nor V7.3-1;I   these particular releases are targeting (only) OpenVMS Alpha platforms.IK   AFAIK, the next OpenVMS VAX release is presently expected to be known as  I   V7.4, and this next OpenVMS VAX release is expected to be available in  /   parallel with the OpenVMS Alpha V7.4 release.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:54:53 +0100a2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk>( Subject: Re: 7.3 back compatibility kits. Message-ID: <3B0A295D.644D05D9@CCAgroup.co.uk>   Michael Moroney wrote: > 6 > Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> writes: > E > >A list appears in section 5.9.5 of the release notes manual in the  > >hardcopy doc set. >  > >For 7.1 & 7.1-2 it suggests: F > > DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_PORTS-V0100--4.PCSI (haven't got, can't find ??)C > > ALPDRIV11_071 or alternatives (I've got *12_071, so that's OK).o1 > > ALPMONT02_071 (found, downloaded to install).B, > > ALPMOUN07_071 or alternatives (got, OK).* > > ALPSHAD07_071 (don't use, don't care).F > > DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0100--4.PCSI (found & downloaded *V0300--4) > C > >The two PCSI kits are specified as 7.1-2. Does this mean there'st@ > >something else for 7.1, or what ? And where's the PORTS kit ? > % > >I'm presently on V7.1, by the way.- > F > Upgrade to V7.1-2 and then apply the V7.1-2 patches.  V7.1-2 is V7.1G > updated to contain the fixes in a bunch of V7.1 patch kits, with some6! > added hardware support as well..  C That wasn't really what I wanted to hear: the manual says a rollingeD migration from 7.1 is possible, which implies I don't have to go via 7.1-2, doesn't it ?m  C We're pretty well up to date on patches, afaik - it's just the PCSI  kits.    Chrisy   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2001 07:32:00 -0700* From: vmendham@altavista.com (Vic Mendham)) Subject: Adding new 36 GB disk to VMS 6.2i; Message-ID: <8b51ed8.0105220632.3022af3@posting.google.com>e  B I'm adding new 18GB and 36GB disks to VMS 6.2. The last time I didF this in 94, there was something special to do to move from 500 MB to 4 GB when initializing the disks.t  E Will OpenVMS 6.2 support 18/36 GB disks and is there anything specialtE when initializing them or backup/image/noinit to ensure they are 18GBn; or 36GB disks rather than reverting back to 4 GB paritions?i   Regards, victor.mendham@emergis.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:57:20 GMTn2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Alpha Architecture02 Message-ID: <4MxO6.606$fi2.15254@news.cpqcorp.net>  t In article <85C741006DA1D0119CE00000F8752CE304078A28@msexc1.dvfs.com>, "O'Connor, Marty" <MOConnor@DVFS.COM> writes: : G :Does anyone know how to obtain information on the Alpha Architecture?    F   Please also remember to check the OpenVMS FAQ -- the OpenVMS FAQ has4   pointers to this and to other available resources.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:11:17 -0400q, From: "J. Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com>+ Subject: Alphaserver 300 and OpenVMS V7.2-1w/ Message-ID: <OhvO6.75$Mb7.10326@brie.direct.ca>t  
 Hello all:  C When attempting to install VMS V7.2-1 on an Alphaserver 300 (4/266)aG the system "hangs" while configuring the graphics adapter.  The adapterl# in question is an ATI MACH64 (ISA).i  > The 7.2-1 CD-ROM will boot when using a serial console, and soA VMS can get installed, but attempting to boot the newly installedh? software (as yet, unconfigured for DECnet, TCP/IP &etc.), using @ the graphics console, and logging into the system using a serial' port, DECwindows server process is COM.   F Does anyone have any ideas here?  This is an older system, and OpenVMSC was covered using the ASAP program, which was subsequently dropped, 1 therefore making it not under contract to Compaq."   TIAy Scott@   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:52:50 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>e1 Subject: Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS? , Message-ID: <3B0A5312.60DE6E76@infopuls.com>   Christoph Gartmann wrote:n > G > In article <9eas1p$adq$1@news.netmar.com>, System@Manager.com writes: < > >Is there a product similar to Altavista/PC to build a VMSA > >documents database that could be searched by keywords, please?e > O > Christoph Brass told me on Friday that he uses a software called Excalibur ton > do just that.i > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmann  > J > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+J > | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |J > | Immunbiologie                                                        |J > | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |J > | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |J > +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+  8 This is true. Backside, Excalibur on VMS isn't developed= anymore. The company had a merger last year and is now calledo4 Convera (www.excalib.com -> www.excalib.com/index2).= Unfortunately they decided several years ago to migrate their ? products to Windoze. But the (old) VMS version runs properly ons< Alphas. I don't know if they really sell it. Maybe you get a; copy for an apple and an egg. You need to supply the DECnetn= Hostname and the Ethernet address to them. In return you will . get a license code which is needed for FlexLM.@ The software is pretty stable and is/was used e.g. by library of congress in Washington D.C..? There is no Web interface (I regard this as an advantage) but ay< proper X11 front end and special client versions for Mac and? Windoze which you don't need if you have an X Display Server at  your client stations.n? What I miss is the ability to index HTML. Since a major part ofa= the documents I have is in HTML format I have to convert theme before I can index them.  @ If you have documents in native electronic format like HTML, PDF@ or plain ASCII I wouldn't especially recommend Excalibur because> one of it's most important strengths is a very efficient fuzzy> search which allows processing of documents which has been OCR5 processed but still contain a certain amount of wrongo characters.v  @ AFAIK Altavista has been developed by DEC and has been available on VMS.1   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:16:09 +0200:= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>r1 Subject: Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS?d) Message-ID: <3B0A74A9.CED411D4@gtech.com>0   System@Manager.com wrote:n; > Is there a product similar to Altavista/PC to build a VMS @ > documents database that could be searched by keywords, please?  " WWWINDEX can do something similar.  ; (I also have an interesting concept available for download)t   Arne   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:55:34 +0000 (UTC)a' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) 1 Subject: Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS?o+ Message-ID: <9ee25m$rgg$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>i  X In article <3B0A5312.60DE6E76@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: >uA >AFAIK Altavista has been developed by DEC and has been availableo >on VMS.    E AFAIK Altavista has run on Tru64 and Windows but there has never been- a version running on VMS.aB This applies to all the Altavista products which DEC developed :- # search engine, tunnel, firewall etcm  I (Note. Although they did not run on VMS many of them did run on Solaris).l    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:43:42 +0100t  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: Backup to CD?+ Message-ID: <VA.000003a0.6cc3a6a4@sture.ch>   I In article <1010521164926.23886A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos wrote:  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmst" > From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> > Subject: Re: Backup to CD? e' > Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:08:27 -0400  > ( > On 21 May 2001, Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > 3 > > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:b > > S > > > Yes, I think quite a few people are in this position. So, the multiple volume @ > > > handling stuff, is that in the driver or the magtape ACP?  > > J > > I think it highly likely that the multi-volume tape capability is doneI > > entirely by BACKUP itself (although there were a patch or two to tapegI > > drivers because the didn't give adequate warning of EOT). And BACKUP xK > > likely keys off the device type, so you would have to modify the CD-ROMaJ > > driver to simulate a tape (BOT, EOF, EOT and all) and leave some space0 > > at the end, i.e., give an EOT warning early. > >  > >  Jan >  > D > It seems to me that backup has supported multi-volume disk backupsB > forever.  I haven't used it for many years, but I vaguely recall@ > backing up an RA81 to multiple RA60's on a system with no tape	 > drives.e > D > I think it puts a minimal ODS-2 structure on the backup disk, then@ > creates the save-set in [000000].  When the disk gets full, itF > dismounts the disk and you can mount the next one.  I don't rememberD > if the 2nd and subsequent save-set files have the same name as theA > 1st one or if there is some kind of sequence number in the file B > name.  I don't remember if backup would init the volumes for you% > or if you had to pre-init each one.e > S Am I correct in thinking that you mount the disk /FOREIGN, just as with a tape, to p get this behaviour?   B > This should be easier than multi-volume tape backups, since tthe= > disk driver can tell you how much room is left on the disk.c@ > When free space=0, or when the extend fails (at the QIO level,? > you need to extend a file before you can write to it), BACKUPo> > just needs to close the file, dismount the disk, and ask you > to mount the next volume.  > E > On restores, when you hit EOF, backup just needs to close the file,sG > dismount the disk, and wait for the next one.  I think this procedure,. > is identical to a multi-volume tape restore. > E > I also recall this same procedure worked fine for multi-volume RX01aA > floppies on the VAX 11/780 console drive.  In fact, I think DECDF > probably used BACKUP to make, e.g. VAX BASIC kits, which took 5 or 6D > RX01's, using SYS$UPDATE:SPKITBLD.COM (makes VMSINSTAL-able kits.) > E > If the CD-R driver can make the CD-R look like a regular disk, thisvE > should work.  The only problem might be that backup might assume itaE > can re-write the file structure (i.e. INDEXF.SYS) as it goes.  ThisaD > is probably the case, which would require a CD-RW drive and media,F > rather than CD-R.  I suppose a special driver that could distinguishB > meta-data writes from data writes, and cached the metadata untilB > dismount time (thus getting around the write-once problem) couldE > solve this problem, assuming you can randomly write to CD-R's.  (Orp$ > must they be writen sequentially?) >    ___e
 Paul Sture Switzerlanda   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2001 12:53:26 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>w Subject: Re: Backup to CD?H Message-ID: <y47kz9bqop.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  " Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:  F > > I think it puts a minimal ODS-2 structure on the backup disk, thenB > > creates the save-set in [000000].  When the disk gets full, it6 > > dismounts the disk and you can mount the next one.J > Am I correct in thinking that you mount the disk /FOREIGN, just as with   > a tape, to get this behaviour?   Yes. _  K I had forgotten about sequential disk savesets. The memory of the towers of 2 floppies is just too horrid, so it was suppressed.  M It should be possible to put such a backup on disk images first (given enoughiL scratch disk space, which often seems to be the case), and then burn them on CDs one by one.e   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:59:38 -0300S) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br  Subject: Re: Backup to CD?L Message-ID: <OF0D10F423.CC150416-ON03256A54.003C2F3E@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  & Dont worry about backups anymore .....  G IBM developed a 400 GB HD ! What means ? We have a Symmetrix with 24 TBi
 with a lot ofsH "small disks" .... We should have a smaller hardware if these disks were developed one year ago....   G And with the IBM + Compaq joint venture in storage, we can have a smalld storageworks cabinet with a few (???) terabytes ....p   Regards    FC        D Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> em 22/05/2001 07:53:26o  ! Favor responder a Jan Vorbrueggent7       <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>              Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi       Assunto: Re: Backup to CD?    " Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:  F > > I think it puts a minimal ODS-2 structure on the backup disk, thenB > > creates the save-set in [000000].  When the disk gets full, it6 > > dismounts the disk and you can mount the next one.I > Am I correct in thinking that you mount the disk /FOREIGN, just as with   > a tape, to get this behaviour?   Yes.  K I had forgotten about sequential disk savesets. The memory of the towers of 2 floppies is just too horrid, so it was suppressed.  F It should be possible to put such a backup on disk images first (given enoughI scratch disk space, which often seems to be the case), and then burn them  on CDs one by one.         Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:14:16 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>0# Subject: Re: comp.os.vms archives ?n) Message-ID: <3B0A7438.32CC501E@gtech.com>a   Jean-Francois Marchal wrote:) > I'm looking for archives of comp.os.vms > > Used to use deja, but I don't like the new google rewamping.; > Does anybody know any search tool that could give a wholem > thread in one single search ?@  B There are archives for more than 10 years, but nothing searchable.  ? It would be relative easy to setup a searchable archive. I haveu! sometimes speculated a bit on it.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:58:29 +0800"5 From: Netsurfer <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com>l4 Subject: DEC 700 Terminal Server on pure UCX TCP/IP?8 Message-ID: <b13kgts1ko7p80tv32s4vnq5l5jel5pjj4@4ax.com>  ? Presently, I got 2 Alpha Servers, Alpha2100 and Alpha4000, bothe running OpenVMS 7.1.  A In the coming week, the Alpha2100 will be relocated to our remote > office as a standby Disaster Recovery machine, but it is stillA connected to our main office network, but in a different segment.v  B The problem is, that this server was installed with DECNet and theA full suite of network applications service (NAS), while the localTC Alpha4000 is just having basic UCX (TCP/IP Telnet/FTP/??) services.i  F How can I configure the DEC Terminal to startup since the LAT services? is hosted in a different network segment, which differ from the& current configuration.  E Will the DEC Terminal work on pure TCP/IP services? What is required?e   TIA0        1 Regards,  	 Netsurfer-        ====R For any personal email replies, please remove " sentosa. " from my E-mail address.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:59:49 +01006  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com8 Subject: Re: DEC 700 Terminal Server on pure UCX TCP/IP?H Message-ID: <OFDF863A9D.56ADCF35-ON80256A54.00367283@qedi.quintiles.com>  $ The answer is probably "it depends".K IIRC, the DECserver 700 terminal servers will try to boot from the internaleJ flash card where one exists, MOP or bootp.  If yours has an internal flashI card then there should be no problem with it being on an IP only network.eG Similarly, if it is loaded using bootp then there should be no problem.o+ If it requires MOP then you have a problem.nH Once it is up and running, the device will sit happily on a network with TCP/IP only or LAT only. Steve.   Netsurfer commented :  >>> F How can I configure the DEC Terminal to startup since the LAT services? is hosted in a different network segment, which differ from the  current configuration.  E Will the DEC Terminal work on pure TCP/IP services? What is required?- <<<p   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:17:44 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>d- Subject: Re: DEC-Keyboards to not-DEC systemse, Message-ID: <3B0A4AD8.A2BBC854@infopuls.com>  * Thanks to all who responded for the hints. Topic closed :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:54:10 +0100e  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>  Subject: Re: DFO on system disks+ Message-ID: <VA.0000039f.6c964e63@sture.ch>9  B In article <3O1wWp47$aQJ@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, Wayne Sewell wrote:? > From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.310887.killspam.0162 (Wayne Sewell)4 > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsi" > Subject: Re: DFO on system disks  > Date: 17 May 2001 07:28:46 CDT > P > In article <VA.00000397.4f630b40@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes: >  > > G > > On the downside, don't let the fact that this may be possible allow1T > > management persuade you that regular system disk backups are no longer necessary! > > - yes, I've seen that happen.' > N > Really?  I've been out of corporate life for a while (and don't miss it), soO > I'm out of touch with the workings (or non-workings) of the management mind. aB > Some of these guys think the whole point of image backups is theQ > defragmentation aspect?  Sure, that's a great side effect, but hardly the wholel# > reason for backups.  Interesting.s > S OK I could have phrased it better, but I once had a joker trying to persuade me not-P to do backups since they were done by IBM operators and resulted in the majority of out of hours support calls.  R Yes, we used the weekly full backup to achieve defragged disks as a side effect - S with over 100K batch and spool files daily that was a rather good idea, and it did 8( form part of our argument _for_ backups.  U BTW, an IBM mainframe man who really didn't like VMS, this guy drew pretty graphs of aS the out of hours support calls per month. When it went from 3 calls one month to 4  T calls the next he was busy showing everyone his graphs showing that we were doing a Q lousy job because the calls had gone up by 33%. To put that into context we were aS running a production night shift 5 days a week without any VMS expertise present...- ___-
 Paul Sture Switzerlande   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:05:48 -0400 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> D Subject: Re: error: DECW$DEVICE-I_NODEVICE, no graphics device found2 Message-ID: <qgvO6.593$fi2.14709@news.cpqcorp.net>  F The 3D30 (aka TGA2 8-plane) is generally supported in the base system.H Open3D replaces the driver/server DDX with ones that contain 3D support.L However, you are on an OLD, OLD version of VMS (V6.2) so I don't remember ifK 3D30 support was in the base OS or not (initial support for some cards came-L out first in Open3D).  You will need an OLD version of Open3D, I'm not quite+ sure how old, but it needs to support V6.2.-  K With any luck, you still have the distribution CD laying around, and it hasf? the same version of Open3D on it that was originally installed.-    ; martin wrote in message <3B098289.B07D9AC5@netscape.com>... E >Does the OPEN3D kit include the graphics drivers? My video card is aa >powerstorm 3d30.  >s >cheersO >martinb >0 >Chris Scheers wrote:  >l >> >> >5 >> > DECW$DEVICE-I_NODEVICE, no graphics device found  >> >* >> > Any suggestions would be appreciated. >>H >> Depending on your graphics card, you may need to load the OPEN3D kit. >>J >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------' >> Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.n >>E >> Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com  >>   Fax: 817-237-3074 >o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:57:06 GMTC3 From: "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.removespam>o' Subject: Euro character and Motif 1.2-6n/ Message-ID: <SJqO6.33914$PF4.66485@news.iol.ie>d  
 Greetings,  H I note that there are Euro symbol patches available for DECWindows MotifH 1.2-4 & 1.2-5, but no mention of 1.2-6.  I can find no reference to Euro- character support in the 1.2-6 release notes.s  H Is Euro character support now included in 1.2-6, or should the older kit and/or font files be used ?n   Many thanksc   Tom Wade EuroKom.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:07:48 -0400A5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>c+ Subject: Re: Euro character and Motif 1.2-6 2 Message-ID: <hivO6.594$fi2.14986@news.cpqcorp.net>  K There "should" be a V1.2-6 patch kit as well.  It will get added to the kitr: as an "optional" component in the "next" release of Motif.  D I'll poke the maintainers to find out about the location of the kit.   Tom Wade wrote in message ...  >Greetings,i > I >I note that there are Euro symbol patches available for DECWindows Motif I >1.2-4 & 1.2-5, but no mention of 1.2-6.  I can find no reference to Euror. >character support in the 1.2-6 release notes. > I >Is Euro character support now included in 1.2-6, or should the older kit- >and/or font files be used ? >a >Many thanks >t	 >Tom Wade  >EuroKom >c >a >h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:21:45 -0400x5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>y+ Subject: Re: Euro character and Motif 1.2-6z2 Message-ID: <nvvO6.598$fi2.15007@news.cpqcorp.net>  A OK.  The kit is named something like: DEC-AXPVMS-DWEURO-V0101-1-1 J apparently there was some hiccup and it may not have gotten out to the web site* yet.  Keep checking it should appear soon.   Tom Wade wrote in message .... >Greetings,e > I >I note that there are Euro symbol patches available for DECWindows MotifCI >1.2-4 & 1.2-5, but no mention of 1.2-6.  I can find no reference to Euror. >character support in the 1.2-6 release notes. >aI >Is Euro character support now included in 1.2-6, or should the older kitc >and/or font files be used ? >t >Many thanks >e	 >Tom Wadec >EuroKom >t >a >h   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:47:47 GMTn= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)a$ Subject: Re: Free emulator to VMS...0 Message-ID: <009FC613.934DFF02@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Y In article <3B09BF9C.7927B4C6@gce.com>, Glenn or Mary Everhart <everhart@gce.com> writes: L >XLNT and various others are DCL emulators, PERIOD. There are some free ones  K This "product" is anything but an excellent emulator of DCL.  If a DCL-likeaJ command interpreter is desired for a PeeCee, the Accelr8 folks have such aK product and _it_ does behave like DCL ... as much as can be expected from ac PeeCee.j   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMm            MO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:55:38 -0300X) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bra$ Subject: Re: Free emulator to VMS...L Message-ID: <OF536D5FE8.5F8DB418-ON03256A54.003BBC44@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  G I have a personal opinion about products from Process, Raxco, Execsoft,: Advanced? and a few small companies which have products for DEC / OpenVMSx
 environments.aK These small companies should merge, because alone they can close, even withw+ good products the market dont know them....e  7 What cant happen if Process buy NSL or Vector-Systems ?i& Or Raxco buying Execsoft or Advanced ? Or Advanced buying Symark ?    RegardsV   FC          E system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) em 22/05/2001, 07:47:47  I Favor responder a system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)o             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn      $ Assunto: Re: Free emulator to VMS...    > In article <3B09BF9C.7927B4C6@gce.com>, Glenn or Mary Everhart <everhart@gce.com> writes:G >XLNT and various others are DCL emulators, PERIOD. There are some freec ones  K This "product" is anything but an excellent emulator of DCL.  If a DCL-likesJ command interpreter is desired for a PeeCee, the Accelr8 folks have such aK product and _it_ does behave like DCL ... as much as can be expected from a  PeeCee.    --2 VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  I city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after  them.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:52:36 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>o$ Subject: Re: Free emulator to VMS...' Message-ID: <3B0A6114.C267D34E@fsi.net>e  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > [ > In article <3B09BF9C.7927B4C6@gce.com>, Glenn or Mary Everhart <everhart@gce.com> writes:sN > >XLNT and various others are DCL emulators, PERIOD. There are some free ones > M > This "product" is anything but an excellent emulator of DCL.  If a DCL-like.L > command interpreter is desired for a PeeCee, the Accelr8 folks have such aM > product and _it_ does behave like DCL ... as much as can be expected from ae	 > PeeCee.k  D My memory is rather fuzzy about this. However, I seem to recall that2 many of these DCL emulators have a common lineage.  @ Could just be a faulty memory - y'almost can't find 30-pin SIMMs
 anymore...   --   David J. Dachterak dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.b   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:29:26 GMTc= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) $ Subject: Re: Free emulator to VMS...0 Message-ID: <009FC632.8A32057E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <3B0A6114.C267D34E@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:e' >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:o >>  \ >> In article <3B09BF9C.7927B4C6@gce.com>, Glenn or Mary Everhart <everhart@gce.com> writes:O >> >XLNT and various others are DCL emulators, PERIOD. There are some free onest >> uN >> This "product" is anything but an excellent emulator of DCL.  If a DCL-likeM >> command interpreter is desired for a PeeCee, the Accelr8 folks have such aDN >> product and _it_ does behave like DCL ... as much as can be expected from a
 >> PeeCee. >PE >My memory is rather fuzzy about this. However, I seem to recall thatr3 >many of these DCL emulators have a common lineage.   & You mean like a disassembly of PC-DCL? --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:34:53 -0500t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> $ Subject: Re: Free emulator to VMS...' Message-ID: <3B0A952D.4979854C@fsi.net>s  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > ] > In article <3B0A6114.C267D34E@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:-) > >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:2 > >>^ > >> In article <3B09BF9C.7927B4C6@gce.com>, Glenn or Mary Everhart <everhart@gce.com> writes:Q > >> >XLNT and various others are DCL emulators, PERIOD. There are some free oneso > >>P > >> This "product" is anything but an excellent emulator of DCL.  If a DCL-likeO > >> command interpreter is desired for a PeeCee, the Accelr8 folks have such a P > >> product and _it_ does behave like DCL ... as much as can be expected from a > >> PeeCee. > >gG > >My memory is rather fuzzy about this. However, I seem to recall thate5 > >many of these DCL emulators have a common lineage.d > ( > You mean like a disassembly of PC-DCL?  F When I looked at these about three years ago, I compared the offeringsG of Sector7 and Accelr8. They both seemed to be offering the same stuff,aC based on what little doc. was available on-line at the time. When I B looked at XLNT, it seemed to have sprung from someone else's work.  F I could probably dig back through my oldest e-mail (I was using EudoraC then, also, on W/3.x) and try to find something, but no guarantees.0   -- e David J. Dachterab dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:45:45 +02000= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>j# Subject: Re: ftp program in OpenVMSb) Message-ID: <3B0A5F79.871085D3@gtech.com>o   Nic P Clews wrote:= >                                          but the STRU O VMS  > is a must!  $ If VMS<->VMS transfer is important !   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:32:51 +0100 2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> Subject: Re: ftp scripting. Message-ID: <3B0A3242.4B69CB9E@CCAgroup.co.uk>   Frank da Cruz wrote:7 > Yes, the new C-Kermit would do exactly what you want:  > 1 >   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.htmlt2 >   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscripts.html > K > and no, it's not available for VMS yet.  It's not just a simple matter ofaK > building.  A lot of code has to be written too, and this would have to beeJ > done by a C programmer who is more intimate with VMS TCP/IP stacks, RMS,K > and VMS FTP protocol extensions than I am.  We don't want it to be just a0K > C-Library port of the UNIX version -- we want it to handle VMS as well ascD > native FTP clients do, but with all the added benefits (scripting,I > automatic per-file text/binary-mode switching, recursion, character-set K > conversion, etc).  I've put out a number of feelers but so far nobody has ' > taken the bait (block that metaphor!)r  D A tall order. Well beyond me. Perhaps you should talk to the MadgoatD folks. They've an excellent (free) ftp product (which I've used, andC even modified for my requirements, without any deep understanding). : It's the only non-commercial ftp on VMS that I'm aware of.G They've put in a lot of effort on performance too. Maybe you could workeA out some kind of co-ownership agreement: their ftp code with your, scripting additions etc.  3 > : The licence forbids commercial non-internal usenL > : too, without providing a pointer to a (presumably chargeable) commercial > : licence. > :cJ > Yes, if you want to furnish Kermit software to customers or clients, youG > need to license it.  That's not a bad thing.  You get money from yourwJ > customers and clients, we get money from you.  It's like the food chain. > We all have to eat.s  B We're not a software supplier. I just want to exchange data with aH parcel courier we use. "Internal use" is unclear: does it mean I can useH kermit for anything I want, or just for moving data internally ? I don'tE intend supplying kermit to them or anyone else. In any case, I wasn'trG griping about the price, just that I wasn't clear on what the price wass (and I'm still not).   Thanks, 
 Chris Sharmano   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:12:58 GMTa- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)t Subject: Re: ftp scripting1 Message-ID: <3b0a737d.692330328@news.process.com>   P On Tue, 22 May 2001 09:32:51 +0100, Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> wrote:  E >A tall order. Well beyond me. Perhaps you should talk to the MadgoattE >folks. They've an excellent (free) ftp product (which I've used, andaD >even modified for my requirements, without any deep understanding).; >It's the only non-commercial ftp on VMS that I'm aware of.pH >They've put in a lot of effort on performance too. Maybe you could workB >out some kind of co-ownership agreement: their ftp code with your >scripting additions etc.r >TD What's lacking is time.  I had hoped to work on the Kermit FTP stuff8 for VMS, but I just have not had the free time to do it.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/o9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/h   ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2001 14:57:55 GMT0 From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: ftp scripting5 Message-ID: <9edupj$qpd$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>D  . In article <3B0A3242.4B69CB9E@CCAgroup.co.uk>,4 Chris Sharman  <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote:8 : > Chris Sharman  <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> wrote:5 : > : The licence forbids commercial non-internal usesN : > : too, without providing a pointer to a (presumably chargeable) commercial : > : licence. : >eL : > Yes, if you want to furnish Kermit software to customers or clients, youI : > need to license it.  That's not a bad thing.  You get money from your L : > customers and clients, we get money from you.  It's like the food chain. : > We all have to eat.w : D : We're not a software supplier. I just want to exchange data with aJ : parcel courier we use. "Internal use" is unclear: does it mean I can useJ : kermit for anything I want, or just for moving data internally ? I don'tG : intend supplying kermit to them or anyone else. In any case, I wasn't I : griping about the price, just that I wasn't clear on what the price was. : (and I'm still not). : I If two consenting adults have copies of Kermit, of course they can use to,H exchange files with each other :-)  Licensing is not required to USE theF software, only when it is to be treated as a product or commodity in aE commercial setting -- i.e. when it is sold as a commercial product or G included in or with a commercial product, or furnished to a customer or.K client as part of a commercial service, e.g. by a consultant or contractor.e  K In your case, since you are not supplying the software to anyone, you woulda3 not need to license it.  I hope this is clear from:p  0   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/commercial.html  % and from the C-Kermit license itself:   0   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/COPYING.TXT   - Franka   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:34:37 -0500s* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>6 Subject: RE: Hobbyist DECNET License (was: VMS<->RSTS)- Message-ID: <0033000025002794000002L042*@MHS>t  : =0AYou get DVNETEND and DVNETEXT.  Those *should* suffice.   See Section MISC20 in the FAQ.   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETe$ > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 7:33 PMF > To: Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET4 > Subject: Hobbyist DECNET License (was: VMS<->RSTS) >G >8D > Looks like I can do what I want, except for another problem that IA > just discovered.  Is there no DECNET License under the HobbyistuB > program??  I just installed all the PAKS and it says there is no > license to connect off host. >t> > %LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, RTPAD, No DECnet License. Off node use is > not authorized > on this node >,% > Or did I just miss something else??e >t > bill >6 > --> > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. > Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h> >=   ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2001 13:35:20 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)>6 Subject: Re: Hobbyist DECNET License (was: VMS<->RSTS), Message-ID: <9edpuo$1b2l$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  L In article <rdeininger-2205010034350001@user-2ivebdb.dialup.mindspring.com>,5  rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:-
 |> In article-H |> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105211922200.4784-100000@triangle.cs.uofs.edu>, Bill' |> Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:e |> oG |> > Looks like I can do what I want, except for another problem that I D |> > just discovered.  Is there no DECNET License under the HobbyistE |> > program??  I just installed all the PAKS and it says there is noS! |> > license to connect off host.  |> > iP |> > %LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, RTPAD, No DECnet License. Off node use is not authorized |> > on this noden |> > o( |> > Or did I just miss something else?? |> h |> eL |> The VMS hobbyist program for vax and alpha does include decnet.  You must |> have missed something.o |> k< |> After you registered the PAKs, did you do a LICENSE LOAD?  D That's the probelm with doing this stuff just once a year.  I didn't, remember doing that before, but I must have.  4 So, now DECNET at least gets past the license issue.   However.....
 Now I get:K %RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for operationaJ whenever I try to do a SET HOST.  Now, I know this used to work when I hadI two VAX both running VMS.  Now I only have one VAX running VMS so I can'to? test the other end. But, it still doesn't appear to be talking.i$ Oh yeah, the PDP end just times out.  D Something must have happened to the VAX DECNET service and I haven't a clue how to fix it.d  A Maybe bringin up a new system from scratch (yes, I have acquired .> another really good VAX to run VMS on) will show me what I did$ wrong or what I inadvertantly broke.  ? Of course, any suggestions on how to troubleshoot this would be  greatly appreciated.   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   D   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 18:27:29 +0100e- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>sC Subject: If backup does not select any files, why do a verify pass? ) Message-ID: <3B0AA181.40B5815A@bbc.co.uk>s  = $       backup/verify/select=([xxx.yyy.]*.*;*) mka500:z.sav -o)         disk$user1:[xxx.zzz.yyy]*.*;*/LOG 1 %BACKUP-I-STARTVERIFY, starting verification pass   B ?, no files have been selected, why rewind the tape and reread the saveset? (filenames changed)d  - Tim, getting impatient with my tape drive :-)t   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukM  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of< MedAS or the BBC.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 18:34:22 +0100u- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>oG Subject: Re: If backup does not select any files, why do a verify pass?C) Message-ID: <3B0AA31E.F8E4E8CB@bbc.co.uk>d   Tim Llewellyn wrote:  ? > $       backup/verify/select=([xxx.yyy.]*.*;*) mka500:z.sav -.+ >         disk$user1:[xxx.zzz.yyy]*.*;*/LOGj3 > %BACKUP-I-STARTVERIFY, starting verification pass-  ) I'll just add that eventually I did get a   ? %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from MKA500:[000000]z.SAV;a  9 message, after the saveset had been read twice of course.u   >  > D > ?, no files have been selected, why rewind the tape and reread the
 > saveset? > (filenames changed)e >g/ > Tim, getting impatient with my tape drive :-)- >p > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  >sC > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those oft > MedAS or the BBC.    --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of5 MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 18:33:20 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.comG Subject: Re: If backup does not select any files, why do a verify pass?2H Message-ID: <OF11E2B492.757F5392-ON80256A54.00603AE6@qedi.quintiles.com>  J Because the same message is generated when you're processing a search listK rather than a specific (single) directory and the file is only found in oneoI directory in the search list ?  (Like SYSUAF.DAT in the SYS$SYSTEM searchr
 list) ????$ (Or maybe backup is just braindead?) Steve.   Tim Llewellyn asked: >>> = $       backup/verify/select=([xxx.yyy.]*.*;*) mka500:z.sav -a)         disk$user1:[xxx.zzz.yyy]*.*;*/LOGe1 %BACKUP-I-STARTVERIFY, starting verification pass   B ?, no files have been selected, why rewind the tape and reread the saveset? (filenames changed)a  - Tim, getting impatient with my tape drive :-)e <<<l   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:53:27 GMTe2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Laser Power event2 Message-ID: <rIxO6.605$fi2.15201@news.cpqcorp.net>  U In article <9dravk$su@news.or.intel.com>, "Iris Green" <iris.green@intel.com> writes:i  H :We had a VAX node crash, that had to be maually reset 4 times before itI :would reboot. We were told that the cause of the crash is a "Laser Powern :Event".  G   Please remember to always post the platform and OpenVMS version when m   posting a question.b  H   "Laser" is project the codename for the platform used by both the DEC .   7000 series and the VAX 7000 series systems.  H   I can quite easily believe that a power or power supply problem could I   leave a VAX (or an Alpha) system in a rather indeterminate and confused    state.  I   And I don't mean this to appear rude, but if you didn't understand whatrI   you where told when you were told that this was a "Laser Power Event", lL   you will want to ask the person(s) to elaborate -- the (hardware service?)L   folks are likely more familiar with the particular problem(s) and with theM   implication(s) to your site than are the random folks participating in the r   newsgroup discussions.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:28:46 GMT ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>e Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.9- Message-ID: <3B0A3F20.9B0033AE@theblakes.com>D  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  H > Can I do so *without* an email address?  There is no published privacyG > statement @ http://bugzilla.mozilla.org; therefore, I will not submit 9 > my email address.  I already get too too too much SPAM.t   Nope, I don't think you can.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:11:35 GMT-= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)  Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.90 Message-ID: <009FC616.E6ADE128@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <3B0A3F20.9B0033AE@theblakes.com>, Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes:u' >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:v >JI >> Can I do so *without* an email address?  There is no published privacy H >> statement @ http://bugzilla.mozilla.org; therefore, I will not submit: >> my email address.  I already get too too too much SPAM. >J >Nope, I don't think you can.n >   G Well you've had a few days now to go back and read this thread.  Do you G have any comments/suggestions as to how I might get M0.9 to run withouti' it trashing the X server on my machine?C  I Perhaps you can offer a few suggestions as to how I might gather pertain-aG ent bits of information as to the cause?  As I stated in other messagestH in this thread, the DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG contains nothing of interestH relating to its crash and attempting to gather a traceback from M0.9 was also futile.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             eO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:50:41 +0200S7 From: Alain Chappuis <Alain.Chappuis@medecine.unige.ch>a5 Subject: Mozilla eater of resources (Re: Mozilla 0.9)l0 Message-ID: <3B0A2861.4050600@medecine.unige.ch>   Hello, Mozilla eater of resources :-(  6 Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40 wrote:  K > For your info, Mozilla 0.9 is available at www.openvms.compaq.com server n > J > Performance seems better than 0.81 (and the disk cache can now be used).  H For my AlphaStation 255/300, when Mozilla is charged in memory and that A it does not have anything to make (I believe) it uses 10% of CPU e resource permanently?   4 Somebody did it already notice this strange problem? Alain. --D +----------------------+-------------------------------------------+D | Alain Chappuis       | Responsable: E-mail; cmu.unige.ch         |D | Analyste programmeur |             WWW; medecine, ebn, jid, Sifm |D | Universite de Geneve | E-mail : Alain.Chappuis@unige.ch          |D | Centre Medical Univ. | Phone  : +41 (22) [70]25.073              |D | 1, Rue Michel-Servet | FAX    : +41 (22) 347.33.34 ou 702.58.58  |D | CH-1211 Geneve 4     | http://cmub.unige.ch/www/si/alain.html    |D +----------------------+-------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:24:31 -0300r) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brr Subject: Oracle x NATOL Message-ID: <OF99820E63.027C638D-ON03256A54.00548C97@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Clickw  = http://www.oracle.com/features/customers/index.html?nato.html/  2 Is NATO a Business to use E-Business products ????9 Are the servers runinng OpenVMS as promised by NATO ?????i   Regardso   FC   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2001 18:36:34 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Oracle x NATO* Message-ID: <3b0a9592$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  x In article <OF99820E63.027C638D-ON03256A54.00548C97@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes: >Click > > >http://www.oracle.com/features/customers/index.html?nato.html  J Yet another page one can't see with VMS (NETSCAPE V3.03 offers empty pages' and MOZILLA 0.9 crashes with ACCVIO)...    -- e< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888a< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:47:41 +0200o= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>c* Subject: Re: Pascal program not running...) Message-ID: <3B0A5FED.74E94077@gtech.com>i   "Valdemir J. Santos" wrote:tH >   I made a Pascal program in an AlphaStation 500/333. In this machine,= >   the program run OK. When I copy the executable file to ans > AlphaServer DS20E,4 >   the program doesn't run, and I get this message: > 4 >   %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image SCAN_ALL8 >   -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file DKA0:[DS_SUPORTE.CLUSTER] >   SCAN_ALL.EXE;1= >   -IMGACT-F-NOTNATIVE, image is not an OpenVMS Alpha image.n  9 Looks like a bad file transfer (maybe FTP in ASCII mode).e   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:14:48 -0400e2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>' Subject: Press Release from PointSecurep2 Message-ID: <WCtO6.589$fi2.14892@news.cpqcorp.net>    Dear Newsgroup,  5 I just got this and thought you might like to see it.-  
 Warm Regards,-   Sue      FOR RELEASE MAY 22, 2001 8:00 a.m. Easternu   Windy LaMarr Thomas Shinners  PointSecure, Inc.   PARSEC Group% 713-868-1222             888-4-PARSECeF windy.lamarr@pointsecure.com                      tshinners@parsec.com= PointSecure, Inc. and PARSEC Group Form Strategic PartnershipP HOUSTONu   May 22, 2001      H PointSecure, Inc. a leading developer of OpenVMS security and complianceL applications, and the PARSEC Group, a premier provider of technical trainingH and consulting services for OpenVMS, Tru64 and Microsoft products, todayH announced that they have entered into a strategic partnership to provide more turnkey OpenVMS solutions.       J Through this relationship, OpenVMS users will have available a combinationG of world-class security applications and an experienced OpenVMS team totL provide implementation and consulting services.  PointSecure is focusing itsH efforts on providing the security applications that corporations need toJ secure their OpenVMS systems, as well as providing outstanding support andI service.  The flagship products, System Detective AO and System DetectiveiJ IS, are security and compliance tools that have enforced security policies7 for many Fortune 1000 companies over the last 10 years.h      J "We believe that PointSecure's products will offer our customers excellentI security applications that coupled with our services will provide OpenVMSrG customers with more tools to keep their systems secure in this changingbI world." said Brian Smith, Senior Vice President at PARSEC Group.  "We aretL looking forward to working with PointSecure and I am sure our customers will  benefit from this relationship."      J PARSEC has been providing OpenVMS consulting and training services for theI past 15 years and specializes in systems redesign and personnel training.tJ PARSEC is one of four Authorized Independent Training Partners for Compaq,F and has helped thousands of customers meet their OpenVMS requirements.      D Rod Endo, CEO of PointSecure, Inc. stated: "We are excited about theK relationship with the PARSEC Group.  Their consulting and training programs D will enhance the ability for our customers to build complete OpenVMS solutions around our products."c           About PointSecure, Inc.l  K Headquartered in Houston, TX, PointSecure, Inc. is a leading distributor ofeL point security products for global enterprise companies.  In today's rapidlyL changing global market, our products will fill areas of need that will allowF businesses to secure their mission-critical systems.  PointSecure is aJ member of the Compaq Solutions Alliance.  Further information is available2 at www.pointsecure.com or by calling 713-868-1222.       About PARSEC Group  B Headquartered in Lakewood, CO, PARSEC Group is a leading training,J consulting and total solutions provider.  PARSEC is a member of the CompaqI Solutions Alliance and Authorized Independent Training Partner (AITP) for I Compaq in OpenVMS, Tru64 Unix.  PARSEC is a Certified Technical EducationuK Center (CTEC) for Microsoft, and is a Gold Certified Partner.  By providing I training, solutions, consulting, hardware and software in these areas andoL others, PARSEC provides our customers with turn-key solutions to meet all ofI their needs.  PARSEC supports companies all over the world with more thaneI 100,000 products and a full menu of network and consulting services.  For-G more information, visit www.parsec.com or contact Thomas M. Shinners atS& 888-4-PARSEC, or tshinners@parsec.com.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:23:14 -0400e- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>a Subject: Promotions at Q.h- Message-ID: <3B0A6842.BA1BF10C@bellsouth.net>n  H If you were unaware of this, Rich Marcello is now the head of the entireE High Performance Systems business and Mark Gorham has replaced him ast the VP for OpenVMS.i   Michael Austin -- Now Available . First DBA Source, Inc - firstdbasource@att.net: A DBA Consulting Firm Specializing in Oracle Rdb and RDBMS2 on OpenVMS as well as Apache and OSU Web services. 704-947-1089 (Office)a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:23:49 -0300-) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br  Subject: Re: Promotions at Q. L Message-ID: <OFC3599A7B.8BD9E75F-ON03256A54.00498CA7@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  ) I suggest Hoffman as VP of OpenVMS  ! ! !t   Regardsi   FC        > Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> em 22/05/2001 10:23:14  9 Favor responder a Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>e             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0       Assunto: Promotions at Q.G    H If you were unaware of this, Rich Marcello is now the head of the entireE High Performance Systems business and Mark Gorham has replaced him as  the VP for OpenVMS.e   Michael Austin -- Now Availableu. First DBA Source, Inc - firstdbasource@att.net: A DBA Consulting Firm Specializing in Oracle Rdb and RDBMS2 on OpenVMS as well as Apache and OSU Web services. 704-947-1089 (Office)o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:43:46 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: Re: Promotions at Q..H Message-ID: <OF75EC9090.C6A82010-ON80256A54.004B47D5@qedi.quintiles.com>  A Presumably this will be enabled with the change to a 48-hour day?sA Otherwise how would Hoff fit in any more than he's already doing?  Steve.   Fabio commented :T >>>e) I suggest Hoffman as VP of OpenVMS  ! ! !.   Regards    FC <<<F   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:07:25 +0100n- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>u Subject: Re: Promotions at Q. ) Message-ID: <3B0A729D.37661D1E@bbc.co.uk>r  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:r  C > Presumably this will be enabled with the change to a 48-hour day?dC > Otherwise how would Hoff fit in any more than he's already doing?r > Steve.  : Hey, if VMS engineering can make the 48 hour day work I'll have some of that too :-)v   >u >d > Fabio commented :o > >>>o+ > I suggest Hoffman as VP of OpenVMS  ! ! !r >a	 > Regardst >l > FC > <<<f   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uki  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofn MedAS or the BBC.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:59:39 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br, Subject: Re: Promotions at Q.rL Message-ID: <OFC712FCFC.822EC8CF-ON03256A54.004CC75F@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Well,l  G In Brazil one of the oldest OpenVMS support engineers changed from tech  to marketing at Compaq ....x   Regards;   FC        1 steven.reece@quintiles.com em 22/05/2001 10:43:46B  , Favor responder a steven.reece@quintiles.com             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com        Assunto: Re: Promotions at Q.a        A Presumably this will be enabled with the change to a 48-hour day?-A Otherwise how would Hoff fit in any more than he's already doing?e Steve.   Fabio commented :o >>>r) I suggest Hoffman as VP of OpenVMS  ! ! !H   Regardsw   FC <<<i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:50:21 -0500e* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: Promotions at Q. - Message-ID: <0033000025022648000002L082*@MHS>t   =0AThis is a "Good Thing..." Very, very much so.   H I will leave the detailed pontification and expounding upon Mr. Gorham = to# the also much esteemed Mr. Shannon.   $ Congratulations to Mark and to Rich.   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET,% > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 9:34 AMsF > To: Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET > Subject: RE: Promotions at Q.  >s >,+ > I suggest Hoffman as VP of OpenVMS  ! ! !r >u	 > Regards  >, > FC >  >e >e >e@ > Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> em 22/05/2001 10:23:14 >c; > Favor responder a Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>- >p >  >  >       Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt >t >, >m > Assunto: Promotions at Q.B >  >t? > If you were unaware of this, Rich Marcello is now the head of  > the entireH > High Performance Systems business and Mark Gorham has replaced him as=   > the VP for OpenVMS.  >t! > Michael Austin -- Now AvailableV0 > First DBA Source, Inc - firstdbasource@att.net< > A DBA Consulting Firm Specializing in Oracle Rdb and RDBMS4 > on OpenVMS as well as Apache and OSU Web services. > 704-947-1089 (Office)s >=   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:38:15 GMT-4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Promotions at Q.u: Message-ID: <HJvO6.375$zl5.259096@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message0' news:0033000025022648000002L082*@MHS...a   This is a "Good Thing..."y Very, very much so.a  I I will leave the detailed pontification and expounding upon Mr. Gorham tod# the also much esteemed Mr. Shannon.t  $ Congratulations to Mark and to Rich.  H Yes indeed. A very positive development. Recall that when Rich took overE VMS, it was a business in decline. Aided by their familiar, a Gartner0L emigre, Decpaq was doing its damnest to migrate customers to Windows. UnlikeK many a pointy haired Senior Manager (including the then-CTO), Rich realizedeL that the claims of near-term NT-VMS functional parity were so much MicrosoftL codswallop. Rich managed to restore credibility with the customer base while$ returning VMS to modest growth mode.  $ Not an insignificant accomplishment.  I So Rich now has the whole Alpha-VMS-Tru64 franchise. If he can repeat hisrJ VMSuccess with the High Performance Systems franchise, things are bound to improve in the Alpha space.a  G Mark is a VMS Group emigre who spent the last 18 months in the ServicesrJ world. Since a goodly number of VMS engagements are services-led, Mark hasH the right background to exploit both the OS and Services elements of the9 equation. All in all, this looks like a pretty good deal.n  A And that's about all I can contribute by way of pontification and H expounding, other than to say that VMS Groupies and customers alike haveL responded quite positively to the latest round of Management Musical Chairs.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:44:45 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)* Subject: Re: Resetting queue Entry Numbers2 Message-ID: <hAxO6.604$fi2.15193@news.cpqcorp.net>  S In article <9dovd2$t8q$1@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, "jjs" <john@stafford.net> writes:tL :My queue entry numbers are so long they don't fix the display mask. How canL :I reset them all to ZERO (or one)? Delete and recreate the queue? It's okayC :to do this because I have no restart dependencies on this machine.  : J :(And how did they get this way? A rogue resubmission loop that ran over aM :weekend. (Dinna Worry, SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL as been reset. Yah, itf :was huge!)o  8   Your display code is dependent on invalid assumptions.  F   The queue entry number is an opaque longword, and you should make NOJ   assumptions other than that the value is an OPAQUE LONGWORD.  You shouldF   not assume the algorithm used to assign the entry numbers within theK   opaque longword, you should not assume the format of the opaque longword iL   containing the entry numbers, you should not assume details of the scheme L   used to reuse the values in the opaque longword, and you should not assumeK   any particular magnitude of the values stored within the opaque longword.:  K   If you wish to temporarily reset the value back down to small values, youjO   will want to delete the queue database and disable all but one queue manager.cO   In future releases, this particular approach may or may not reset the values  O   stored in the opaque longword containing the queue entry number back down to d   small integers.   J   Oh, did I mention that the queue entry number is an opaque longword? :-)  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:16:37 +0200o) From: "Pbo" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> & Subject: savesets not exceeding 650 MB& Message-ID: <3b0a1275$1@news.euriware>  
     Hello,  I     I'm looking for a solution to make savesets not exceeding 650 MB on aoK customized system disk. The idea is to make multiple CDs of the disk and to(; be able to restore them on a disk after booting the VMS cd.t  
     Any idea?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:22:54 -0400e% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>m* Subject: Re: savesets not exceeding 650 MB/ Message-ID: <tgktho57rkji39@news.supernews.com>:  @ There's another thread about this same issue.  I would try this:  1 Use a virtual disk driver to create a 650MB disk.E Mount the disk /FOREIGN9I BACKUP to the disk and BACKUP will ask you to mount the next volume if itsF fills the first one.  At that point, burn the CD-R and then respond to BACKUP.e  K You could even create more than one virtual disk so the backup can continueeI while you're burning the CD-R (just make sure you don't overload the SCSIf bus).   4 "Pbo" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> wrote in message  news:3b0a1275$1@news.euriware... >     Hello, >-K >     I'm looking for a solution to make savesets not exceeding 650 MB on a|J > customized system disk. The idea is to make multiple CDs of the disk and to= > be able to restore them on a disk after booting the VMS cd.m >  >     Any idea?u >e >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:13:39 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>)* Subject: Re: savesets not exceeding 650 MB) Message-ID: <3B0A8223.A0094D19@bbc.co.uk>h   John Vottero wrote:-  B > There's another thread about this same issue.  I would try this: >-3 > Use a virtual disk driver to create a 650MB disk.0 > Mount the disk /FOREIGNcK > BACKUP to the disk and BACKUP will ask you to mount the next volume if itOH > fills the first one.  At that point, burn the CD-R and then respond to	 > BACKUP.s >s  L That is a truly neat idea. However, the /VERIFY will not check the full data pathI from source to CD. I guess one could do a /COMPARE once the CD is burned, J however, I do like VMS backups' ability to do the verify pass with minimumL media changing, (ie write the media, rewind, verify that media, then requestF next media). Backup Exec Desktop which I use on my home PC for exampleH insists on writing all the media first, then reloading each one fror the verify.   M Also, virtual disk driver is not a part of VMS as supplied, but I guess thats  note really an issue.   >tM > You could even create more than one virtual disk so the backup can continue.K > while you're burning the CD-R (just make sure you don't overload the SCSIw > bus).p >M  I Yeah, it just seems a bit more fiddly to me than if CDR support was fully 
 integrated in VMS and backup.   regardsA   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukj  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of- MedAS or the BBC.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:42:08 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> * Subject: Re: savesets not exceeding 650 MB" Message-ID: <3b0a96f4@news.si.com>  J >    I'm looking for a solution to make savesets not exceeding 650 MB on aL >customized system disk. The idea is to make multiple CDs of the disk and to< >be able to restore them on a disk after booting the VMS cd.  K Use VDDRIVER (on the Freeware CD, I believe) to make pseudodevices the sizem8 you want and then put the savesets on the pseudodevices. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comiA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:52:12 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>r* Subject: Re: savesets not exceeding 650 MB' Message-ID: <3B0A993C.EAE5FFA4@fsi.net>S   Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > John Vottero wrote:a > [snip]O > > You could even create more than one virtual disk so the backup can continue M > > while you're burning the CD-R (just make sure you don't overload the SCSIn	 > > bus).g > >i > K > Yeah, it just seems a bit more fiddly to me than if CDR support was fullyt > integrated > in VMS and backup.   ...or maybe CD/RW?   -- S David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/M  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:55:25 +0100d- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>o* Subject: Re: savesets not exceeding 650 MB) Message-ID: <3B0A99FD.89604DC7@bbc.co.uk>t   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:   > Tim Llewellyn wrote: > >e > > John Vottero wrote:c
 > > [snip]Q > > > You could even create more than one virtual disk so the backup can continue O > > > while you're burning the CD-R (just make sure you don't overload the SCSIE > > > bus).  > > >o > > M > > Yeah, it just seems a bit more fiddly to me than if CDR support was fullyr > > integrated > > in VMS and backup. >e > ...or maybe CD/RW?  F OK, both then, except I can't get any 10* CD-RW discs anywhere in thisO city yet. Backup speed is a factor and I'd rather burn at 16* and verify at 40*nO that rewrite at 4* any day. Plus, you can't accidentally overwrite your backupse on CD-R.  > Of course, thinking for the future, DVD-R is needed real soon.   regardst  --o6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uko  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofn MedAS or the BBC.S   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:35:52 GMTb/ From: cuttler@merlin.albany.net (Brian Cuttler)n" Subject: SCP/SSH, VMS 5.x, UCX 3.38 Message-ID: <2PuO6.9283$l5.7201177@newsfeed1.thebiz.net> Keywords: ucx, ssh, scpy  A We are trying to copy via ftp files from VMS to unix for printingu@ (see alternate thread on print banner options) and I'd suggestedB to the developer that we use scp rather than open an ftp shell butF wasn't clear that any of the ssh utilities listed at U-Kentuky's site & would run on my version of VMS or UCX.  F Is scp available for VMS 5.5, UCX 3.3 and if so, where, what version ?   						thanks in advance,   						Brian    ---i>    Brian R Cuttler                 brian.cuttler@wadsworth.org3    Computer Systems Support        (v) 518 486-1697i3    Wadsworth Center                (f) 518 473-6384 9    NYS Department of Health        Help Desk 518 473-0773h   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2001 10:49:30 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>u! Subject: Re: SCSI Cluster Problem.H Message-ID: <y41yphahut.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>   dittman@dittman.net writes:e  9 > To make sure I understand this correctly, not only does,7 > the allocation class have to be the same but also thet6 > device name.  Originally they were both $1$DKBx, but7 > adding the extra controller made the disks $1$DKBx onw5 > the working system and $1$DKDx on the other.  Usinge" > the PAC made them both the same.  K That seems a likely requirement - it would allow the device name to be used M for the allocation lock in a clusterwide fashion, because it will be the sameg for every path to the device.b   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:50:20 +0100e  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com! Subject: Re: SCSI Cluster Problem4H Message-ID: <OFEE390D36.2899C15D-ON80256A54.003A2AD5@qedi.quintiles.com>  I For a shared SCSI bus using host allocation classes the systems must haverK the same host allocation class and they must refer to the devices using the F same name (i.e. $234$DKB100 on one system _must_ be $234$DKB100 on the others).  G Consider the situation where there are more than two nodes in a clusterSF with some just being served the disks by MSCP.  The nodes that are notK directly connected to the disk need to be able to figure out that there ares4 two paths to that disk and that it is the same disk.  / NODEA ----------- Disk DKA200 ----------- NODEBs-   |_________________________________________|B   |s NODECF  J Nodes NODEA, NODEB and NODEC are all connected via ethernet (i.e. they areF a LAVc).  Nodes NODEA and NODEB have a shared SCSI bus between them on which there is a disk DKA200.3  I Now, if NODEA and NODEB both have the same host allocation class (say 23) 3 then they both serve DKA200 to NODEC as $23$DKA200.qK On the other hand, if NODEA has a host allocation class of 23 and NODEB has-I a host allocation class of 54 then NODEC sees $23$DKA200 (from NODEA) andgK $54$DKA200 (from NODEB).  NODEC thinks that the two disks are different and 1 treats them as such resulting in data corruption.-  J Similarly, if both nodes have a host allocation class of 23 but NODEA seesB the disk as DKA200 and NODEB sees it as DKC200 then NODEC will seeI $23$DKA200 as well as $23$DKC200 which it will believe to be two physicalr/ disks instead of one.  Data corruption results.a  C Port allocation classes are used in these kinds of cases where, forrH example, you might have an AlphaServer 8400 and an AlphaServer 4100 on aG shared SCSI bus.  The 8400 might have five SCSI buses (DKA through DKE) D whereas the 4100 might only have two (DKA and DKB).  Host allocationJ classes could not be used to put a disk on a shared bus between the 4100'sI DKB bus and the 8400's DKE bus but with port allocation classes one could.D refer to them both as $8$DKA which would return things to coherency.   At least that's how I see it.t   Steve.   Eric Dittman wrote:- >>>-3 I read the information on the PAC and based on that9/ set the allocation class on the shared SCSI busm3 to 7.  Now it's working, with the (documented) sideC3 effect that the SCSI devices on the shared SCSI busc are $7$DKAx.  7 To make sure I understand this correctly, not only does 5 the allocation class have to be the same but also thea4 device name.  Originally they were both $1$DKBx, but5 adding the extra controller made the disks $1$DKBx ont3 the working system and $1$DKDx on the other.  Usings  the PAC made them both the same. <<<r          E dittman@dittman.net@narnia.int.dittman.net> on 22-05-2001 03:40:20 AMo  % Please respond to dittman@dittman.nety  7 Sent by:  Eric Dittman <dittman@narnia.int.dittman.net>f     To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come) cc:    (bcc: Steven Reece/QRED/Quintiles)-  " Subject:  Re: SCSI Cluster Problem     dittman@dittman.net wrote:: : Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote: : : dittman@dittman.net writes:L  , : :>I have a couple of DEC PWS au systems in, : :>a SCSI cluster.  They each have two SCSI+ : :>controllers and have been working well.=) : :>I'm using V7.2-1.  I recently added a * : :>dual channel SCSI controller to one of+ : :>the systems, thus displacing the shared + : :>SCSI bus controller from PKB to PKD.  I , : :>now get the following on the system when : :>I boot:    : : ...N; : :>    OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1n  C : :>%DECnet-I-LOADED, network base image loaded, version = 05.0D.03e  8 : :>%CNXMAN,  Using remote access method for quorum diskB : :>%VMScluster-I-LOADSECDB, loading the cluster security database/ : :>%EWA0, Auto Negotiation mode set by console J : :>%CLUSTER-F-CONFIG, discovered device $1$DKD0 on incorrectly configured	 SCSI bus,y : :> system haltingi : :>halted CPU 0  3 : :>I checked the SRM values and they migrated whens3 : :>I added the new controller, and the SCSI ID for 6 : :>PKD is 6 (the other system is set to 7).  Is there2 : :>a problem with having four SCSI controllers on : :>V7.2-1?   H : : Read up on SCSI port allocation classes and the DEVICE_NAMING SYSGENF : : parameter.  They were invented to fix the problem you came across.  A : I've got those set.  The common SCSI bus is allocation class 1, B : PKA on the working system is 2, and PKA, PKB, PKC on the changed* : system is 3.  DEVICE_NAMING is set to 1.  3 I read the information on the PAC and based on thata/ set the allocation class on the shared SCSI bus23 to 7.  Now it's working, with the (documented) side 3 effect that the SCSI devices on the shared SCSI bust are $7$DKAx.  7 To make sure I understand this correctly, not only doesS5 the allocation class have to be the same but also the 4 device name.  Originally they were both $1$DKBx, but5 adding the extra controller made the disks $1$DKBx ond3 the working system and $1$DKDx on the other.  Usingi  the PAC made them both the same. -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.netr   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:03:25 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>M! Subject: Re: SCSI Cluster Problemt& Message-ID: <3B0A639D.13B71C1@fsi.net>   dittman@dittman.net wrote: > [snip]( > Originally they were both $1$DKBx, but7 > adding the extra controller made the disks $1$DKBx onh5 > the working system and $1$DKDx on the other.  Usingf" > the PAC made them both the same.  , Please forgive my ignorance - what is "PAC"?   Don't have Alpha doc.'s handy.   --   David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/c  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:12:01 -0400 8 From: "Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@islandco.com>! Subject: Re: SCSI Cluster Problemu/ Message-ID: <tgkp80sn6j5q48@news.supernews.com>-  D I thought the Alpha PWS was limited to a total of 3 SCSI Controllers   Could that be an issue ?   DT   -- Island Computers US Corporationr 2700 Gregory Street 	 Suite 150f Savannah GA 31404. Tel: 912 447 6622t Fax: 912 201 0096  sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com  C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andcJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whomE they are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intendedn
 recipient,G please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete thism message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.    - <steven.reece@quintiles.com> wrote in messagewB news:OFEE390D36.2899C15D-ON80256A54.003A2AD5@qedi.quintiles.com... >i >gK > For a shared SCSI bus using host allocation classes the systems must haveeI > the same host allocation class and they must refer to the devices usingt therH > same name (i.e. $234$DKB100 on one system _must_ be $234$DKB100 on the
 > others). >iI > Consider the situation where there are more than two nodes in a clusterhH > with some just being served the disks by MSCP.  The nodes that are notI > directly connected to the disk need to be able to figure out that therei are 6 > two paths to that disk and that it is the same disk. > 1 > NODEA ----------- Disk DKA200 ----------- NODEBt/ >   |_________________________________________|) >   |- > NODEC- >-L > Nodes NODEA, NODEB and NODEC are all connected via ethernet (i.e. they areH > a LAVc).  Nodes NODEA and NODEB have a shared SCSI bus between them on > which there is a disk DKA200.o >iK > Now, if NODEA and NODEB both have the same host allocation class (say 23)n5 > then they both serve DKA200 to NODEC as $23$DKA200.-I > On the other hand, if NODEA has a host allocation class of 23 and NODEBo haseK > a host allocation class of 54 then NODEC sees $23$DKA200 (from NODEA) and@I > $54$DKA200 (from NODEB).  NODEC thinks that the two disks are differents ando3 > treats them as such resulting in data corruption.  >aL > Similarly, if both nodes have a host allocation class of 23 but NODEA seesD > the disk as DKA200 and NODEB sees it as DKC200 then NODEC will seeK > $23$DKA200 as well as $23$DKC200 which it will believe to be two physicalo1 > disks instead of one.  Data corruption results.  > E > Port allocation classes are used in these kinds of cases where, for J > example, you might have an AlphaServer 8400 and an AlphaServer 4100 on aI > shared SCSI bus.  The 8400 might have five SCSI buses (DKA through DKE)dF > whereas the 4100 might only have two (DKA and DKB).  Host allocationL > classes could not be used to put a disk on a shared bus between the 4100'sK > DKB bus and the 8400's DKE bus but with port allocation classes one couldeF > refer to them both as $8$DKA which would return things to coherency. >P > At least that's how I see it.  >t > Steve. >  > Eric Dittman wrote:r > >>>.5 > I read the information on the PAC and based on that 1 > set the allocation class on the shared SCSI busz5 > to 7.  Now it's working, with the (documented) side 5 > effect that the SCSI devices on the shared SCSI bus  > are $7$DKAx. >m9 > To make sure I understand this correctly, not only does-7 > the allocation class have to be the same but also the 6 > device name.  Originally they were both $1$DKBx, but7 > adding the extra controller made the disks $1$DKBx onb5 > the working system and $1$DKDx on the other.  Using " > the PAC made them both the same. > <<<t >: >- >  >  >iG > dittman@dittman.net@narnia.int.dittman.net> on 22-05-2001 03:40:20 AM  >K' > Please respond to dittman@dittman.net  >n9 > Sent by:  Eric Dittman <dittman@narnia.int.dittman.net>o >, >r > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + > cc:    (bcc: Steven Reece/QRED/Quintiles)H >v$ > Subject:  Re: SCSI Cluster Problem >a >  > dittman@dittman.net wrote:< > : Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:! > : : dittman@dittman.net writes:  > . > : :>I have a couple of DEC PWS au systems in. > : :>a SCSI cluster.  They each have two SCSI- > : :>controllers and have been working well.I+ > : :>I'm using V7.2-1.  I recently added ai, > : :>dual channel SCSI controller to one of- > : :>the systems, thus displacing the sharedi- > : :>SCSI bus controller from PKB to PKD.  Is. > : :>now get the following on the system when
 > : :>I boot:  >e	 > : : ...i= > : :>    OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1t >CE > : :>%DECnet-I-LOADED, network base image loaded, version = 05.0D.03  >j: > : :>%CNXMAN,  Using remote access method for quorum diskD > : :>%VMScluster-I-LOADSECDB, loading the cluster security database1 > : :>%EWA0, Auto Negotiation mode set by consoletL > : :>%CLUSTER-F-CONFIG, discovered device $1$DKD0 on incorrectly configured > SCSI bus,a > : :> system haltinga > : :>halted CPU 0 >y5 > : :>I checked the SRM values and they migrated when05 > : :>I added the new controller, and the SCSI ID for 8 > : :>PKD is 6 (the other system is set to 7).  Is there4 > : :>a problem with having four SCSI controllers on
 > : :>V7.2-1?  >sJ > : : Read up on SCSI port allocation classes and the DEVICE_NAMING SYSGENH > : : parameter.  They were invented to fix the problem you came across. >eC > : I've got those set.  The common SCSI bus is allocation class 1,aD > : PKA on the working system is 2, and PKA, PKB, PKC on the changed, > : system is 3.  DEVICE_NAMING is set to 1. >t5 > I read the information on the PAC and based on thati1 > set the allocation class on the shared SCSI buss5 > to 7.  Now it's working, with the (documented) sidea5 > effect that the SCSI devices on the shared SCSI busr > are $7$DKAx. >r9 > To make sure I understand this correctly, not only does 7 > the allocation class have to be the same but also they6 > device name.  Originally they were both $1$DKBx, but7 > adding the extra controller made the disks $1$DKBx ond5 > the working system and $1$DKDx on the other.  Usingd" > the PAC made them both the same. > -- > Eric Dittman > dittman@dittman.net  >o >V >e >w   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:47:37 +0100h  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com! Subject: Re: SCSI Cluster ProblemsH Message-ID: <OFB3EC3EB3.7071FB05-ON80256A54.004B8F88@qedi.quintiles.com>   Port Allocation Class.  C Used (probably amongst other things) so that different systems with G different SCSI naming patterns can connect to the same SCSI bus and notw3 confuse themselves and the rest of the cluster etc.P   David J. Dachtera asked :/ >>>d, Please forgive my ignorance - what is "PAC"?   Don't have Alpha doc.'s handy. <<<    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:30:30 -0500p' From: Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU>a# Subject: Re: Show Device D Problemso) Message-ID: <3B0A69F6.857ABB85@UIowa.EDU>-   Robert Deininger wrote:- > 6 > In article <3B0992AE.13D0CC50@UIowa.EDU>, Rick Dyson > <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU> wrote:u > F > > Does anyone have any suggestions on what to look at?  If I show anH > > explicit device name, it works fine.  The devices have the following+ > > settings clipped from "show dev /full":  > G > Do you have a logical name "D"?  I think that might fool SHOW DEVICE  7 > and prevent normal wild card processing.  Wild Guess.   = 	Great guess!  It did not occur to me.  It turns out there is F a hugh group logical name table that has most of the "letters" defined to be specific disks...u   Thanks Robert!   Rick --  H Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _  _____                    http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | ||_   _|  Senior Systems Analyst  --  INFORMM-Cerner Systems Group< | | | |  | |    The University of Iowa Hospitals and ClinicsH | \_/ | _| |_   Information Systems BT1000 GH       Office: 319/384-7016H  \___/ |_____|  Iowa City, IA 52242-1052               FAX: 319/384-7020   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:48:43 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e# Subject: Re: Show Device D Problems-' Message-ID: <3B0A986B.E3CA7A0A@fsi.net>,   Rick Dyson wrote:  >  > Robert Deininger wrote:n > > 8 > > In article <3B0992AE.13D0CC50@UIowa.EDU>, Rick Dyson! > > <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU> wrote:f > >tH > > > Does anyone have any suggestions on what to look at?  If I show anJ > > > explicit device name, it works fine.  The devices have the following- > > > settings clipped from "show dev /full":e > >sH > > Do you have a logical name "D"?  I think that might fool SHOW DEVICE9 > > and prevent normal wild card processing.  Wild Guess.  > F >         Great guess!  It did not occur to me.  It turns out there isH > a hugh group logical name table that has most of the "letters" defined > to be specific disks...b  / OH, NO!! That means someone probably wanted to:p   $ CD :== SET DEFAULT $ CD D:W   *HEAVY SIGH*   --   David J. Dachtera6 dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:52:58 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>,# Subject: Re: Show Device D Problemsa) Message-ID: <3B0A996A.5A00E095@bbc.co.uk>t   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:   >eH > >         Great guess!  It did not occur to me.  It turns out there isJ > > a hugh group logical name table that has most of the "letters" defined > > to be specific disks...w > 1 > OH, NO!! That means someone probably wanted to:n >  > $ CD :== SET DEFAULT	 > $ CD D:a >  > *HEAVY SIGH*  & hey, it shows how flexible VMS is :-).  --c6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uky  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those oft MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:44:04 -0300e) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brt Subject: Stop a "lost process"L Message-ID: <OFF0416D93.0BBA39C8-ON03256A54.004B1EB8@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  C I have a problem. A process cannot be stopped because it is running ? LOGINTOUT. The connection between the terminal and OpenVMS dont @ exist anymore. If I stop this process, it becomes in RWAST and I= must shutdown the machine (HALT). The user cannot login againN, because the LOGINOUT is locking his account.@ How can I stop this process if the terminal / device is OFFLINE.6 If I stop, it turns to RWAST ....... and I must HALT !A Compaq said to me it is a TCPIP problem and I must apply the lastaB patch for 5.0A. But the production team didnt liberate the machine for applying th patch, yet.o  @ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx    A Terminal: _TNA3231:   Device_Type: VT300_Series  Owner: _TNA3231:B<                                               Username: UMD63 Remote Port Info: Host: 164.85.222.19    Port: 3025a   Terminal Characteristics:tE    Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No EscapeeB    Hostsync           TTsync             Lowercase          No TabG    Wrap               Scope              No Remote          No EightbitoC    Broadcast          No Readsync        No Form            Fulldup B    No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        HangupE    No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speedSG    No Commsync        Line Editing       Overstrike editing No FallbacknF    No Dialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No PasthruK    No Syspassword     No SIXEL Graphics  No Soft Characters No Printer PortlI    Numeric Keypad     ANSI_CRT           Regis              No Block_mode D    Advanced_video     No Edit_mode       DEC_CRT            DEC_CRT2I    DEC_CRT3           No DEC_CRT4        No DEC_CRT5        No Ansi_Colora    VMS Style InputE %SYSTEM-F-DEVOFFLINE, device is not in configuration or not availablec   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2001 12:51:30 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)E Subject: Re: tcpip services / ucx latest version? - passive mode ftp?b( Message-ID: <3b0a44b2@news.kapsch.co.at>   In article <e176a164.0105210149.39e46ac1@posting.google.com>, ute.nischelwitzer-fennes@oeaw.ac.at (Ute Nischelwitzer-Fennes) writes:E >can anybody confirm to me, that the latest version of tcpip servicesaI >for openvms is 5.1, and if so, does v5.1 support a "passive mode ftp"?!?a  N Yes, V5.1 (ECO 1) is currently the latest and greatest TCPIP stack from COMPAQP for OpenVMS (you may also have a look at PSC's TCPIP stacks: TCPware & Multinet)  5 It includes passive mode FTP since many versions now.:   FTP>QUOTE PASV   -- n< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:07:30 +0100s- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>.% Subject: Re: TZ88: read performance ?s) Message-ID: <3B0A8EC2.F7E6AB5C@bbc.co.uk>    Roy Omond wrote:   > Gentle folks,V >i> > what ball-park figure (Mbytes/second) should I expect to get> > out of reading a TZ88 (using compaction) connected through a@ > KZPBA-CA (the only device on that SCSI bus) ?  I can't seem to@ > get it do do more than ca. 1.3 Mbytes/second which seems a bit > low to me.  VMS is 7.2-1.o >e; > Sample test of throughput is to stick ca. 500 Mbytes ontos? > a cartridge ($ backup ... tape: .../block=65024/med=comp) anda > then to time:w >s > $ backup/list=nl: tape:o >rB > (obviously after rewinding and mounting, so we're measuring pure? > read-throughput;  write-performance seems to be closer to the A > rated 3 Mbytes/second).  $ Copy'ing the saveset to NL: gets theEA > same read-throughput (even with RMS /block and /buff set high).r >e > Thanks for any comments,   Hi Roy  M Not an exactly similar config, but I currently have a TZ88 attached to a DS10sI via Symbios NCR53C895 controller, to which are also attched 3 SCSI3 diskstI (been having some problems configuring the KZPBA-CA, but thats a separatea issue).s  P I am currently reading compressed TZ87 format tapes with 64kbyte (or as close as dammit)hR records  onto the system. I am seeing between 40-80 DIOS /sec, I guess 1/2 of them
 are to theQ tape and 1/2 to the disk, so it looks looks like 2.5 mbyte/sec approx peak to me.m   regardsl   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:19:01 -0400u# From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>sN Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc+ Message-ID: <3B0A6745.58F98839@hsc.vcu.edu>g  K We've used an LPA-11k Lab i/o connector, a pdp-11 buried into a vax-750 forK years...  J and every time we called dec up, they asked the first question was "is the paper loaded"?????  K one time we went around and around for 10 minutes before we finally beat itn( into their head it wasn't a printer.....   Jim..p   Paul Repacholi wrote:g  F > Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> writes: >wH > > On a related matter, does anyone want to comment on the most unusualF > > piece of hardware (either on the bus or via an external interface)H > > that they have ever seen connected to and controlled by a VMS system > > ?  >-= > Boggle... Tim has a transit network. Hum, I've work on ones0= > with most everything in a steel works, Blast furnaces, BOS, < > Mills, Electroplaters, Arc Furnaces, railway, reclaimer... >eE > Several oil fields, and various drab olive loud items come to mind. 0 > Plus, that place. Foo knows what they connect! >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.9B >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.J > Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,$ >   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:15:37 -0400e5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>sN Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc2 Message-ID: <CpvO6.596$fi2.14862@news.cpqcorp.net>  L Sounds like either a badly designed device, or more likely the device driverH for it.  Hubs are essential to USB, and a device that won't work plugged into one is IMHO broken.    " Zane H. Healy wrote in message ...4 >Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote:I >> Only problem I've seen with doing this is that very few devices have a G >> goes-in and a goes-out connector.  (Pardon the technical jargon. :-)  MostL >> only have a goes-in, so you can't daisy chain.  The industry seems intent? >> on forcing us to buy as many $40 USB hubs as possible.  Grr.  >eJ >Don't forget the devices that will only work if directly plugged into theK >computer.  I was embarassed to learn that the LS120 drive I recommended my-G >Mom get for her iBook wouldn't work when plugged into her USB hub, and_ since)L >the iBook only has one USB port that's a *real* problem!  Then there is theI >problem with the computer freaking out and my needing to go find time toI. >stop by and reconfigure her software for her. >0J >Grr is right!  USB sucks!  In my case it added the cost of ADB-to-USB andI >Serial-to-USB converters to the last Mac I bought so I could continue too useh9 >my *good* keyboard and mouse, and 12x12 Graphics Tablet.  >eI >Why do I get the impression that we'll soon need someone to come up withnD >PS/2-to-USB converters so we can put proper keyboards on VMS boxes! >r > Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:10:01 -0400i5 From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom>EN Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc/ Message-ID: <3B0A8F58.239CCAC3@compaq.com.doom>l  O      I have to agree with Fred device that only work when plugged into the root  hub are broken.  When I seesL them I figure the vendor was unwilling to invest the time and effort to test# them in all legal configurations or 5 sort out timing bugs in their code.  They are broken.   M     There are already a number of PS2 to USB converters on the market.  But Il have my doubts that theyM would work correctly with and LK keyboard set up the OpenVMS requires them to  operate.  Will there beoO a VMS style USb keyboard to early to know for sure.  Will we come up with a PS2r to USB converter that M works again to early to tell.  We well remember the last time systems running  OpenVMS came with only PS2.i   Forrest Kenney   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  N > Sounds like either a badly designed device, or more likely the device driverJ > for it.  Hubs are essential to USB, and a device that won't work plugged > into one is IMHO broken. >I$ > Zane H. Healy wrote in message ...6 > >Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote:K > >> Only problem I've seen with doing this is that very few devices have aeI > >> goes-in and a goes-out connector.  (Pardon the technical jargon. :-)x > MostN > >> only have a goes-in, so you can't daisy chain.  The industry seems intentA > >> on forcing us to buy as many $40 USB hubs as possible.  Grr.0 > > L > >Don't forget the devices that will only work if directly plugged into theM > >computer.  I was embarassed to learn that the LS120 drive I recommended my I > >Mom get for her iBook wouldn't work when plugged into her USB hub, andl > since N > >the iBook only has one USB port that's a *real* problem!  Then there is theK > >problem with the computer freaking out and my needing to go find time tof0 > >stop by and reconfigure her software for her. > >hL > >Grr is right!  USB sucks!  In my case it added the cost of ADB-to-USB andK > >Serial-to-USB converters to the last Mac I bought so I could continue to  > useh; > >my *good* keyboard and mouse, and 12x12 Graphics Tablet.l > >rK > >Why do I get the impression that we'll soon need someone to come up withoF > >PS/2-to-USB converters so we can put proper keyboards on VMS boxes! > >V > > Zane   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2001 10:55:59 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>>/ Subject: Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware questionrH Message-ID: <y4y9rp92zk.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>   dgordon@compaq.com writes:  G > It was a business requirement of both the InfoServer and VXT projectsaG > that neither piece of hardware could boot VMS.  The boot ROMs of bothdF > systems are modified from the defualt in such a way that images thatC > follow the normal boot protocol will fail and only special imagesh7 > designed for the InfoServer or VXT hardware will run.    Translation:F We shot ourselves in the foot on purpose - the paranoia with regard toG the few people in the world with the competence to change an InfoServertH or VXT back into a VAXstation (which, of course, commanded a much higherG margin than the other devices which had to be protected at all costs - EF another way of shooting ourselves into our feet) was so great we spentC substantial additional resources in re-inventing the wheel, loosingoG economies of scale (that would have profited all three product lines), I7 and, as usual, alienating our customers in the process.o   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:48:17 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n/ Subject: Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware questiont' Message-ID: <3B0A6011.C5187FAF@fsi.net>    Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: >  > dgordon@compaq.com writes: > I > > It was a business requirement of both the InfoServer and VXT projectsoI > > that neither piece of hardware could boot VMS.  The boot ROMs of both:H > > systems are modified from the defualt in such a way that images thatE > > follow the normal boot protocol will fail and only special imagesn9 > > designed for the InfoServer or VXT hardware will run.g >  > Translation:H > We shot ourselves in the foot on purpose - the paranoia with regard toI > the few people in the world with the competence to change an InfoServerrJ > or VXT back into a VAXstation (which, of course, commanded a much higherH > margin than the other devices which had to be protected at all costs -H > another way of shooting ourselves into our feet) was so great we spentE > substantial additional resources in re-inventing the wheel, loosingDH > economies of scale (that would have profited all three product lines),9 > and, as usual, alienating our customers in the process.o  > ...which is why their "foot" now ends just below the rib cage.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsd http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:09:06 GMTn8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>/ Subject: Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware questiony( Message-ID: <3B095895.CDAFE0C3@decus.fi>   "Holi - Holitska Andrs" wrote:e >  > Hi,s > @ >         I have a few questions about a DEC VXT2000 Xterminal's& >         hardware/firmaware/whatever. > 8 >         Perhaps not the right newsgroup, but I'll try. > = >         If I'm informed right (am I?), it runs some kind of-D >         VAX CPU (like the ones in some MicroVAXen?), but according< >         to my experience, it either has a _very_ different< >         firmware from that of normal VAXen, or it has someB >         _very_ special hardware, that prevents it from operatingC >         like a machine with normal MicroVAX CPU - wich is capablew7 >         of "executing" the READ_ADDR.SYS for example.h > ? >         Does anybody know some details about the architecturen> >         of the VXT2000? Is it mentioned/described in the VAX> >         Architecture Reference Manual (I don't have one :/)? > ? >         Why I'm asking these silly questions: I had the idea,p? >         of trying to boot VMS (yes :]) on a VXT2000 back halfo> >         a year ago. I've set up a VMS, to accept the VXT20001 >         MOP request, as it would be a satelite.b > B >         Loading started just fine, but it frooze while executingG >         NISCS_LOAD.EXE (it must have been a IPL 31 loop or something,tD >         because the halt button on the back side of the VXT didn't> >         work - I wasn't able to get the PC or anything else) > @ >         I've tried with an InfoServer 1000 - same deep freeze.C >         Same with READ_ADDR.SYS, wich should run on any VAX CPU - < >         - altough I doubt that the VXT's CPU is officially >         supported :] > D >         Any kind of information on the VXT hardware/firmware wouldH >         be extremly helpfull. If anyone has some info - has eventually< >         succeded in what I'm trying here - please tell me. > ( > Regards:                        <Holi> > --J > Holitska, Andras         holitska_a@ludens elte hu        junior managerI >  ......................................................................tI >  VMS Competence Center                            VMS Szakertoi KozpontnI >  Eotvos Lorand University                 Eotvos Lorand Tudomanyegyetem I >  Budapest, Hungary                                             BudapestyI >  ======================================================================o  " The command you just might need is  
 	>>> T/UTIL 1i  8 This will erase the NVRAM contents and then the VXT will actually try alsor8 Infoserver boot assuming you have enough memory (10MB or more).   _veli    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:26:01 +0100c  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com@ Subject: Re: [DCPS] Page accounting for color laser PS printers?H Message-ID: <OF646AD35D.57980E03-ON80256A54.00339F11@qedi.quintiles.com>  E By pages interpreted, does this mean that a job printed from VMS withSH /PARAMETER=3DNUMBER_UP=3D2 would count two pages interpreted for one ph= ysicalH page printed?  If so then I could see why HP don't play the game in the= ir page count reporting.   H If one were, for example, using the reported page count for the purpose= s ofH accounting chargeback (or maybe charging students for their printing in=  F these present, underfunded times, one could quite imagine the studentsH being more than a little upset if they printed two up to save paper and=  C money only to find that they still got charged for one up printing.2   Steve.   Paul Anderson commented :  >>>2H PostScript printers keep track of how many pages are printed via a coun= ter H called PageCount.  The Adobe PostScript Language Reference Manual defin= es
 PageCount as:   !     PageCount integer (Read-only)   C     The number of pages that have been successfully processed since D     manufacture, counting the number of copies for each showpage (asH     specified by the value of #copies in the current dictionary stack o= r byH     the LanguageLevel 2 page device parameter NumCopies).  Even pages n= otH     physically printed'because of manual feed timeout, job abort, or an= ycH     other reason'are included in the count.  The count will be accurate=  at A     the end of each job, but not necessarily after each showpage.r  @ All Digital-brand PostScript printers and most of the subsequentH Compaq-branded PostScript printers did the "right thing" by counting pa= geseH INTERPRETED, not PHYSICALLY PRINTED.  HP, for one, keeps track of pages=   physically printed.  <<<=   ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2001 11:58:46 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)c@ Subject: Re: [DCPS] Page accounting for color laser PS printers?0 Message-ID: <9edk9m$60n$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  k In article <OF646AD35D.57980E03-ON80256A54.00339F11@qedi.quintiles.com>, steven.reece@quintiles.com writes:> > F >By pages interpreted, does this mean that a job printed from VMS withI >/PARAMETER=3DNUMBER_UP=3D2 would count two pages interpreted for one ph=c >ysical  >page printed? s  ) To my understanding this is not the case.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2001 15:31:12 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)0 Subject: Re: [PATHWORKS-32] What is the future ?* Message-ID: <3b0a6a20$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  h In article <76jN6.538$fi2.12782@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Brad McCusker" <Brad.McCuskerSP@Mcompaq.com> writes:8 >"Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in messageL >>As I understand it, they _discuss_ the end (Note: the end of PATHWORKS-32,N >>but NOT the end of Advanced Server - ASOVMS will continue, its functionalityP >>will extend, will/may also run on VAX, so that PATHWORKS V6 may/will also end) >sI >You understand correctly.  Lots of new stuff in the works for the server 
 >products.  # So, that leads to another question:e  > When can we expect OpenVMS Registry and DCOM and OpenVMS VAX ?  J Or in other words, how likely is the Advanced Server (in its current form)J on OpenVMS VAX ? Or what changes will be in ASOVMS to run on OpenVMS VAX ?   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888f< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.282 ************************