1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 24 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 285       Contents: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq, Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  RE: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations . Alternate sources of the public VMS GNAT kit ? Re: Backup to CD?  Compile TAE on VMS! defining pseudo interfaces for IP % Re: defining pseudo interfaces for IP % Re: defining pseudo interfaces for IP  Re: DSSI problem Re: DSSI problem6 Re: help: -SYSTEM-F-GPTFULL, global page table is full' Re: High Performance Server Advertising ' Re: High Performance Server Advertising ! How to script FTP without /INPUT? % Re: How to script FTP without /INPUT? 0 Re: How to store results of Command in a symbol? Re: MS-Fawning at Compaq Re: MS-Fawning at Compaq Re: MS-Fawning at Compaq Re: Opera browser ! Oracle commitment with SUN - Only % Re: Oracle commitment with SUN - Only  Re: Oracle x NATO  Re: PGP revisited  Re: PGP revisited " Re: POSIX threads and word tearing" Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone?! Re: savesets not exceeding 650 MB  Re: Show Device D Problems Re: Show Device D Problems Re: Show Device D Problems Standalone Backup VMS 6.2 / Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants ! This will add a smile to your day 1 Re: Using DECnet Phase V without "over IP" stuff?   Re: VAX motif V1.2-6 kit problemE Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc  Re: VMS<->RSTS Re: VMS<->RSTS6 Re: Website white paper questions (DEC/EDI and others?) Re: What problem does FTSO really solve ? , Re: Will OpenVMS 6.2 support 18 & 36GB disks) XP-1000 Machine check - what does it mean 7 Re: [DCPS] Page accounting for color laser PS printers?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:41:16 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> ! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq , Message-ID: <3B0C125C.5CF8C4CB@infopuls.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > n > In article <9edoi9$bn0$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes: > D > No, leave it here where we can _all_ keep track of the discussion.? > Let someone without security concerns copy relevant newsgroup , > discussion to  www.compaqworkinggroup.org. > C > > OK.  Now put this idea/suggestion in www.compaqworkinggroup.org  > >  > > Dave...  > >    [SNIP]   Problem: headcount   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:31:32 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> 5 Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun , Message-ID: <3B0C2C34.3BD0BA2C@infopuls.com>   Alan Greig wrote:    [SNIP]  G > By the way, I haven't got mine yet due to a cock-up somewhere but the B > photo on the front of the VMS 7.3 carton and manuals shows a guy? > looking at monitors all with the Sun logo... There has been a E > suggestion to keep this out of c.o.v. but I really don't see how it G > can be covered up forever so I'll do the dirty - whoever's fault this G > was. I know DII COE is effectively Sloaris compatibility but I didn't + > realize it stretched as far as the logos!  >  > -- > Alan  = I knew that SUN had plans of a major change but that they are > preparing for beeing taken over by Compaq is much more I could? think of. And that Compaq is already that far to reveal this is  more than a surprise. ;-)    ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2001 02:56:18 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations- Message-ID: <87ae43lwrx.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   - Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> writes:   F > It seems that you're arguing for Compaq not to attempt to make their? > platform into a home peesee type machine with a pointy-clicky D > bonehead interface, office apps, stupid users, etc.  You'll get noE > argument from me on that.  Compaq should simply make their platform F > affordable, and let the users decide what to do from there.  I would$ > be more than happy with that step.  D The home PC package is totaly dependant on one thing, games. Without that, don't even bother.  * The other must is a good browser... Again!  @ NAT would also be a near must, better to sell two, and cuts down> on the arguments. A 'noddy mode' install would also help lots.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:19:01 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations' Message-ID: <3B0C292B.F177129B@fsi.net>    Lyndon Bartels wrote:  > 3 > Here's my take on this "affordable VMS argument."  > E > Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see VMS workstations on everybody's  > desk... [snip]  1 O.k. I see where I need to make this point again:   F The focus of "Affordable OpenVMS" has less to do with desktops than itH has to do with "servers", believe it or not. The idea of "affordability"? has to do with getting OpenVMS systems past the "bean counters" 8 (including the wife! ...but not limited to her, either).  G Compare the best price you can find for a Linux-capable (or NT-capable, F if you *MUST* have it) server and peripherals, and compare that to theC best price you can find for a VMS-capable machine and related gear. 9 (Remember, we're talking end-user pricing here, not CSA.)   6 If necessary, wait for the paramedics to revive you...  C Now, compare the price of a commercial Linux distribution (a couple E hundred bux or less up to circa. $500 or so), the price of a suitable F (set of) license(s) for NT, BSDI or some other commercial UN*X (yes, IA am aware of Solaris pricing) and the price of a suitable (set of) E licenses for OpenVMS and the required layered products. (Again, we're ( talking end-user pricing here, not CSA.)  D "Dr. Red, to the ER please, Code Blue, Dr. Red, to the ER Code Blue"  H Assuming you survive, when you're finally released from the CCU (Cardiac8 Care Unit), you will understand what "affordable" means.  E I grant you, "comparable", "competitive", "reasonable", "justifiable" G and others may all be better and/or more descriptive than "affordable". F IMO, "affordable" says it best from the perspectives of trying to sellB it against the alternatives and trying to grow VMS's market share.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:27:05 -0400 + From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> ( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations# Message-ID: <sb0bf309.094@aaas.org>   K I agree, "affordable workstation" is not about what the executive runs on = H his desk. When I came here 2 years ago I knew NOTHING about OpenVMS (I =E still don't - I'm sure it shows), and all we had was one production = I server. Now, I couldn't talk the boss into spending 10,000$ to buy me a = J box to beat on and learn VMS. I know you're saying "if they threw you to =K the wolves the least they could do was buy you a box to beat on" but they =   didn't. That's just how life is.  & Pretend that Alpha was a Sun E series.  F "Boss, will you spend 1000$ on a Blade 100 so I can learn how to use =0 Solaris on a Sun?" The boss is going to say yes.  I Sometimes, it's just about development machines. The BIG companies that = L have taken a loss in the last couple years to get their stuff out there to =L developers are doing well. Look at Oracle...you can download 8i from their =J website to beat on for free now, and there are a lot more developers who =K use it because of that. People who otherwise wouldn't have access. IBM is =  doing it with DB2.  J How are you going to get new IT people to learn your stuff if they don't =% have access to it or can't afford it?   J Now, the Blade is a piece of junk, but it gets my feet wet on Solaris. I =K wish I could have had a Blade like Alpha 2 years ago to install, destroy, = H tear down, and build again. 80% of my VMS knowledge came in the last 3 =B months when we got 2 new Alphas that I had to build and configure.  K That's just my 2 cents. I live in a world where Unix and OpenVMS can live = G in harmony...as long as Windows DIES DIES DIES!!!!!!! And VB. And SQL = 
 Server.=20  I >>> "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 05/23/2001 5:19:01 PM >>>  Lyndon Bartels wrote:  >=203 > Here's my take on this "affordable VMS argument."  >=20E > Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see VMS workstations on everybody's  > desk... [snip]  1 O.k. I see where I need to make this point again:   F The focus of "Affordable OpenVMS" has less to do with desktops than itH has to do with "servers", believe it or not. The idea of "affordability"? has to do with getting OpenVMS systems past the "bean counters" 8 (including the wife! ...but not limited to her, either).  G Compare the best price you can find for a Linux-capable (or NT-capable, F if you *MUST* have it) server and peripherals, and compare that to theC best price you can find for a VMS-capable machine and related gear. 9 (Remember, we're talking end-user pricing here, not CSA.)   6 If necessary, wait for the paramedics to revive you...  C Now, compare the price of a commercial Linux distribution (a couple E hundred bux or less up to circa. $500 or so), the price of a suitable F (set of) license(s) for NT, BSDI or some other commercial UN*X (yes, IA am aware of Solaris pricing) and the price of a suitable (set of) E licenses for OpenVMS and the required layered products. (Again, we're ( talking end-user pricing here, not CSA.)  D "Dr. Red, to the ER please, Code Blue, Dr. Red, to the ER Code Blue"  H Assuming you survive, when you're finally released from the CCU (Cardiac8 Care Unit), you will understand what "affordable" means.  E I grant you, "comparable", "competitive", "reasonable", "justifiable" G and others may all be better and/or more descriptive than "affordable". F IMO, "affordable" says it best from the perspectives of trying to sellB it against the alternatives and trying to grow VMS's market share.   --=20  David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/=20   : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:" http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/=20  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:30:32 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations; Message-ID: <YZVO6.2756$zl5.820406@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3B0C292B.F177129B@fsi.net...  > Lyndon Bartels wrote:  > > 5 > > Here's my take on this "affordable VMS argument."  > > G > > Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see VMS workstations on everybody's  > > desk... [snip] > 3 > O.k. I see where I need to make this point again:  > H > The focus of "Affordable OpenVMS" has less to do with desktops than itJ > has to do with "servers", believe it or not. The idea of "affordability"A > has to do with getting OpenVMS systems past the "bean counters" : > (including the wife! ...but not limited to her, either). >   > Yep, and I still believe the UP1500 approach would be the mostD cost-effective way to make this happen. If we can get some number ofF hundreds of requests for same entered into www.compaqworkinggroup.org,C Compaq will be obligated to provide some sort of response. The more C requests, the more likely that Compaq will take the idea seriously.    ------------------------------   Date: 23 May 2001 21:48:32 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)( Subject: RE: Affordable VMS Workstations, Message-ID: <9ehb7g$kkf@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  z In article <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1E8F@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>, Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> writes: > H >> EVERYTHING that the average WinTel workstation can currently do. Word? >> processing, Spreadsheets, surfing, etc. It would have to do   >> these things E >> faster, more reliably, more efficiently than the current platform.  >> PLUS....  in  > K >I believe the "faster, more reliably, more efficiently" would be intrinsic  >in a VMS workstation.  F It would NOT be faster.  Look up my long series of threads on VMS diskG performance. When the new caching software is fully implemented it will K still be about 3x slower than linux for typical types of file IO due to RMS I overhead.  TCP/IP performance by at least one measure was also way behind K linux.  This was on DS10s, nearly identical hardware, VMS 7.2-1 vs RH 6.2.  G Right now, without this caching software, VMS performance is laughable  . compared to Linux.  See, the results table in:  C   http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/SOFTWARE/MYBENCHMARK.ZIP (23kb)   H I believe that a buttoned down bulletproof small secure Apache server onI VMS might be a win.   One could imagine that people would be receptive to C migration to such a platfrom after they are hacked if the price is  I reasonable and they come plug and play.  Unfortunately I don't think that H the VMS Apache performance is going to be nearly as high as Linux on theG same hardware until there is a serious overhaul of the disk IO system.     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:10:12 -0400 - From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> ( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations- Message-ID: <3B0C5F73.99951867@bellsouth.net>    Paul Repacholi wrote:   / > Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> writes:  > H > > It seems that you're arguing for Compaq not to attempt to make theirA > > platform into a home peesee type machine with a pointy-clicky F > > bonehead interface, office apps, stupid users, etc.  You'll get noG > > argument from me on that.  Compaq should simply make their platform H > > affordable, and let the users decide what to do from there.  I would& > > be more than happy with that step. > F > The home PC package is totaly dependant on one thing, games. Without > that, don't even bother. >   L Yeah, that's it... turn a world class server/OS system in to a Nintendo box.       > , > The other must is a good browser... Again! >   < I tend to think client/server..   browser..use a PC , need a- Web/database/application server use an Alpha. 2 Same thing goes for "personal productivity" stuff.K Hey, you can get 2100's real cheap (<$1000) if you look.  I have 2. it will  make a great WEB/APP server...     > B > NAT would also be a near must, better to sell two, and cuts down@ > on the arguments. A 'noddy mode' install would also help lots. >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.J > Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,$ >   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:06:17 GMT B From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>7 Subject: Alternate sources of the public VMS GNAT kit ? 5 Message-ID: <t_SO6.5223$r4.322110@www.newsranger.com>   K [Crossposted between comp.lang.ada and comp.os.vms. I have previously asked 6 this on comp.os.vms without anyone knowing an answer.]  N I have installed the public VMS GNAT kit from NYU on an Alpha running VMS 7.2.J The kit appears to be missing GDB. According to ACT, there is a public GDBJ kit for VMS, but it appears to have been removed from NYU. I contacted NYUK a couple of weeks ago with this information, but have received no response.V  G Does anybody know of a GNAT mirror that carries this kit ? I have triedp several without success.   Thanks for any information,f   Simon.   -- i; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFPfK Worrying idea #101: What if Microsoft goes into the Ada compiler business ?a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 02:16:01 GMTP2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: Backup to CD?2 Message-ID: <B9_O6.57$k3.4268@typhoon.aracnet.com>  - Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:qG > Well, you can get 180GB in a drive now, and IBM have just shipped the G > first drive using a new media that trebles the storge density limits. - > So expect to see ~500GB drives by year end.G  D > If small SW cab is a HS with one backplane, that's about 20TB. The1 > semi load of tape is beginning to look worried.e  H I saw a 180GB drive for the first time when I was down at Fry's buying aG new CD-R drive (they're the only place in town with a selection of SCSIvJ devices anymore).  All I could do was cringe when I saw that drive, and itK wasn't the pricetag either, it was the thought of how many tapes it'll taken to back one of those up!  L The best use I can think of for disks that big is to put a pair on a system,L shadow them, and either use the drive for archival data or online backups of  other more sensibly sized disks!  J It's pretty much reaching the point where the home user won't even be ableL to afford to back their systems up.  Shoot, I don't even want to think about2 how many DLT IV's we go through in a week at work!   				Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:01:25 -0400 2 From: "Yan, Antony" <Antony.Yan@honeywell-tsi.com> Subject: Compile TAE on VMS:Q Message-ID: <FDEC6E96D16AD3119C1A00508B0BBA1201A9D405@lskex100.honeywell-tsi.com>a   Hi All:z  F We want to re-host an application software from VAX(VMS6.0)/VAX3800 to Alpha(VMS 7.2.n)/DS10.> Anyone has done these before and have advice please point out.  L We also used TAE to build the GUI (VMS6.0) for the application software.  If8 anyone knows that VMS7.2.n have the same compatibility?    Thanks,S Tony   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:27:43 GMTa From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>* Subject: defining pseudo interfaces for IP' Message-ID: <3B0C390A.918D676E@home.nl>   E I'm having a bit of a problem defining a pseudo interface with TCP/IP  5.1 and VMS 7.3.  ) Here you can find what I am trying to do:u  S http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73FINAL/6526/6526pro_005.html#lower_pseudo_i_secy  G I have one interface (hardware: EWA, ip: WE0), and I am trying to add as pseudo interface.u      # I follow the manual, and try to do:    TCPIP> set nointer SEA0 6 TCPIP> set inter SEA0 /host=xxxx/network_mask ... etc.   What I get is:   error defining interface SEA0t no such device available  . Has someone got a clue what I am doing wrong ?   regards,   Dirk   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:10:29 GMTo, From: "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com>. Subject: Re: defining pseudo interfaces for IP: Message-ID: <VjYO6.45120$MR1.6899357@news02.optonline.net>  E If the existing interface is being reported as WE0 by the  TCPIP>SHOWpH INTERFACE command, then the new interface name should be WEA1, not SEA0.    + "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in messagem! news:3B0C390A.918D676E@home.nl... G > I'm having a bit of a problem defining a pseudo interface with TCP/IP  > 5.1 and VMS 7.3. >e+ > Here you can find what I am trying to do:e >d >tL http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73FINAL/6526/6526pro_005.html#lower_pseud o_i_secm > I > I have one interface (hardware: EWA, ip: WE0), and I am trying to add aw > pseudo interface.  >w >d > % > I follow the manual, and try to do:h >o > TCPIP> set nointer SEA0e8 > TCPIP> set inter SEA0 /host=xxxx/network_mask ... etc. >  > What I get is: >  > error defining interface SEA0l > no such device available >o0 > Has someone got a clue what I am doing wrong ? >m
 > regards, >u > Dirk >p   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:23:33 GMTd= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) . Subject: Re: defining pseudo interfaces for IP0 Message-ID: <009FC74E.B3E21F6A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  H In article <3B0C390A.918D676E@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:F >I'm having a bit of a problem defining a pseudo interface with TCP/IP >5.1 and VMS 7.3.  >,* >Here you can find what I am trying to do: >hT >http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73FINAL/6526/6526pro_005.html#lower_pseudo_i_sec >0H >I have one interface (hardware: EWA, ip: WE0), and I am trying to add a >pseudo interface. >a >m >.$ >I follow the manual, and try to do: >  >TCPIP> set nointer SEA07 >TCPIP> set inter SEA0 /host=xxxx/network_mask ... etc.o >k >What I get is:n >  >error defining interface SEA0 >no such device availablek >s/ >Has someone got a clue what I am doing wrong ?  >.	 >regards,f >f >Dirkl >"  ( Define your interfaces as WEA0 and WEA1.  ) Here's what I have on one of my machines:.  O Interface   IP_Addr         Network mask          Receive          Send     MTUu  O  WEA0       192.168.1.2     255.255.255.0            2627           198    1500aO  WEA1       192.168.10.2    255.255.255.0           11439         13628    1500rO  YEA1       192.168.100.2   255.255.255.0           13780         12459    1500aO  LO0        127.0.0.1       255.0.0.0                   1             1   65535L  J For the YE I had to add my own controller definition (ie. DEFINE COMMUNIC- ATIONS_CONTROLLER) --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo            cO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 May 2001 23:57:11 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: DSSI problemu- Message-ID: <87g0dwkqi0.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ' "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> writes:   ; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messageo) > news:87d791gj95.fsf@prep.synonet.com...s  C > > DSSI 1 on each goes, or I'd like it to go, to a R400 cab with aaB > > TZ86, and 5 RZ73s. It works from either system, but if I cableD > > them both in, all the devices vanish, all either machine can see > > is its own SHAC.  > > Did you set the two VAX systems to have a different node-id?  B > We have a similar setup with two VAX 400-3000.  Since we did notC > have an extra cabinet we connect bus 0 of one VAX to bus 1 of the F > other VAX and similarly bus 1 of one to bus 0 of the other. One bothF > VAXen we have the node-id for bus 0 set to 7 and for bus 1 set to 6.  B Checked all the things I can think of. One machine is node 7,7 theC other 5,5. ( because I'm short of ID 5 plugs, but have plenty of 6s0A and 0s before you ask...) Hell, I'm running through the CN driverf at the moment.  * Do have a suspect RF73 though, 18K naks...  E Is there a termpower jumper or the like lurking in the expansion box?s     -- i< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.d@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov b   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:20:42 GMTh, From: "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com> Subject: Re: DSSI problem0: Message-ID: <utYO6.45259$MR1.6918343@news02.optonline.net>  I I had a similar problem at a client site once with a 4300 and 4106A.  TheGK problem was that the 4106A's DSSI bus was internally terminated, and so thetJ second external connector for that bus couldn't be used.  The solution was: to open up the 4106A and remove the termination resistors.  ! So, check your terminators packs.      Frank Sapienza   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:47:41 GMTB7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)r? Subject: Re: help: -SYSTEM-F-GPTFULL, global page table is full & Message-ID: <GDt8nH.J2v@world.std.com>  1 >I=B4m trying to install a shared image and then:    >=2E..7 >$ INSTALL REPLACE /SHARED/HEADER_RESIDENT PRO$OBJT:BH1wF >%INSTALL-E-FAIL, failed to REPLACE entry for DISCO1:<GRH.OBJT>BH1.EXE- >-SYSTEM-F-GPTFULL, global page table is fulln  J >is the solution as simple as incrementing the GBLPAGES system parameter?, >How?, How much?  @ >should I use SYSGEN or is it better using AUTOGEN to adjust it?  G It is best to use AUTOGEN with FEEDBACK.  You should edit MODPARAMS.DAT1J to take out explicit settings of parameters like GBLPAGES (so that AUTOGENI can compute the proper values) and the execute the following when you cano reboot:s  / $ @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN SAVPARAMS REBOOT FEEDBACKe  4 It should compute proper values for your parameters.  % AUTOGEN with feedback is your friend.k   -Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:02:46 -0500"1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>b0 Subject: Re: High Performance Server Advertising8 Message-ID: <9egu08$q73$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  ( Thanks Sue.  Just took a look at the ad.  J Again saw the word "cluster" and Tru64 mentioned, but no mention of VMS on the banner part of the page.  K I know there is a push to get Tru64 "out there", and the cluster and recent - Oracle announcement are examples of the push.d   How about a similar VMS push?a   Dave...e  = "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in messages, news:HwQO6.667$fi2.15655@news.cpqcorp.net... > Dear Newsgroup,c >eK > I just got this mail.  Please keep in mind that I have nothing to do withrH > advertising and I am just passing along the information.  The web site does > work with netscape.A >n >e >  > Suen >nI > The New High Performance Server Advertising bridge page is currently up. and 
 > running! >BK > This bridge page was developed to be the single site for customers to getiK > more details about the product solutions featured in the HPS print or web"E > banner ads, as well as the corporate enterprise ads that are placedyH > worldwide relating to our business. All current ads are listed on this pageF > with related links back to information for the customer to gain more insightnK > into Compaq HPS Solutions. This page will be updated regularly as new adsyL > are generated. In addition, you will notice on this page, that we give theF > customer an opportunity to begin to purchase or contact a sales rep. >VI > You can view the High Performance Server Advertising bridge page at the  > following site:s >o& > http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/ad >  >e >, >t >s >a >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:25:51 -0700-! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.come0 Subject: Re: High Performance Server AdvertisingD Message-ID: <OFBB1CBFF2.22B29C6C-ON88256A56.000252B0@foundation.com>  B Sue, I think it's clear you're not involved in advertising. You're effective..... :-)   Shaney          D Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> on 05/23/2001 08:18:22 AM  < Please respond to Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:e  - Subject:  High Performance Server Advertisingb     Dear Newsgroup,s  I I just got this mail.  Please keep in mind that I have nothing to do withuK advertising and I am just passing along the information.  The web site doesi work with netscape.        SueT  K The New High Performance Server Advertising bridge page is currently up andb running!  I This bridge page was developed to be the single site for customers to getaI more details about the product solutions featured in the HPS print or webyC banner ads, as well as the corporate enterprise ads that are placedsK worldwide relating to our business. All current ads are listed on this pagedD with related links back to information for the customer to gain more insightmI into Compaq HPS Solutions. This page will be updated regularly as new adseJ are generated. In addition, you will notice on this page, that we give theD customer an opportunity to begin to purchase or contact a sales rep.  G You can view the High Performance Server Advertising bridge page at theF following site:s  $ http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/ad   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:36:02 +0800r5 From: Netsurfer <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com>t* Subject: How to script FTP without /INPUT?8 Message-ID: <bcsogtckmdu0dmtmhgt7475t3vspqgk319@4ax.com>   I am using OpenVMS 7.1.i  D Presently I am writing script to FTP files to our remote UNIX server using FTP scripts.  
 MY_FTP.COM
 ==========  ( $ FTP remote_host /USERNAME="johndoe"  -(                   /PASSWORD="password" -3                   /INPUT=SYS$MANAGER:FTP_SCRIPT.TXT    SYS$MANAGER:FTP_SCRIPT.TXT ==========================  
 CD \data_dump  SET TYPE ASCII MPUT blablabla.txt BYEs    C Is there a way to simply all the above into within the batch scriptn without script files?-  ) Is there a UNIX .netrc clone for OpenVMS?nA Or the scripting using ">>EOF" syntax which is valid for UNIX FTP, scripting???   TIA.          / Regards,  	 Netsurfer/        ====R For any personal email replies, please remove " sentosa. " from my E-mail address.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:59:21 +1000e- From: "Dick Adams" <adams.dick.rc@bhp.com.au>t. Subject: Re: How to script FTP without /INPUT?4 Message-ID: <9ei12l$9ne$1@gossamer.itmel.bhp.com.au>  J Yes, if it is a 'static' script, ie no variable information regarding file names directories etcn    ( $ FTP remote_host /USERNAME="johndoe"  -&                   /PASSWORD="password"
 CD \data_dumpe SET TYPE ASCII MPUT blablabla.txt BYEb $EXITd  @ Netsurfer <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com> wrote in message2 news:bcsogtckmdu0dmtmhgt7475t3vspqgk319@4ax.com... > I am using OpenVMS 7.1.j >:F > Presently I am writing script to FTP files to our remote UNIX server > using FTP scripts. >i > MY_FTP.COM > ========== > * > $ FTP remote_host /USERNAME="johndoe"  -* >                   /PASSWORD="password" -5 >                   /INPUT=SYS$MANAGER:FTP_SCRIPT.TXTe >c > SYS$MANAGER:FTP_SCRIPT.TXT > ========================== >, > CD \data_dumpc > SET TYPE ASCII > MPUT blablabla.txt > BYE  >m > E > Is there a way to simply all the above into within the batch scripte > without script files?e >I+ > Is there a UNIX .netrc clone for OpenVMS?.C > Or the scripting using ">>EOF" syntax which is valid for UNIX FTPW > scripting??? >' > TIA. >e >  > 
 > Regards, >i > Netsurfero >  >s > ====K > For any personal email replies, please remove " sentosa. " from my E-mailr address.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:07:22 -0400a( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>9 Subject: Re: How to store results of Command in a symbol?u+ Message-ID: <3B0BFC5A.B00C8EC9@bigfoot.com>o  W I appreciate the that link you referenced.  I COMPLETELY forgot about the old ampersandmY for symbol substitution.  I had attemped the definition of the logical before, but as yousY probably guessed, I was using the single quote method of command substitution, which made6* it impossible.  Thanks again for the info.   Hamlyn  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  X > In article <3B0BE7B1.DEC5672F@bigfoot.com>, Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> writes:= > >No such construct exists in VMS.  The closest VMS gets is: 8 > >$ PIPE SHOW SYSTEM  |  SEARCH SYS$INPUT "SWAPPER" | -; > >   (READ SYS$INPUT LINEVAR  ;  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT LINEVAR)o > >bM > >In the preceding example, a show system display is searched for the stringoR > >"SWAPPER", the output of which get piped to the construct in the subshell.  TheP > >READ, reads the first line out the piped output, and assigns it to the symbolW > >LINEVAR.  The problem, is that this symbol assignment is only local, and as such can V > >only be used within the subshell.  So the WRITE SYS$OUTPUT (or whatever command youW > >want to use with the LINEVAR symbol works.  If change the line to not do the read in S > >the subshell, the symbol disappears for any subsequent commands that you pipe itnU > >to.  If there were some way to set a global symbol via the READ, it probably wouldpT > >work, but I haven't found a way to do this in DCL. If you were to write a program >eR > No it wouldn't.  The global symbol would be set in the context fo the subprocessS > used in the execution of the PIPE command and it would not be seen in the context * > of the process issuing the PIPE command. >HV > >(preferably C) that would take arg1 and set a GLOBAL symbol with it, so that it was >6 > Eek! >rV > >available at the DCL procedure level you need, it would probably work.  By the way,Q > >the other probablem is that any meaningful commands (that you would use symboltR > >substitution in) don't work because symbol substitution occurs before the whole > >command is run. >s% > http://www.tmesis.com/symbol/using/2 >.U > Of particular interest in this thread is the REMNODE_USING_PIPE_ONLY.COM procedure.  >sV > There are a number of other procedures listed at the above URL which demonstrate theU > use of SYMBOL to perform various tasks; one of those tasks is defining a DCL symboltJ > in the master process with the output of some DCL command that executed. >s > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi >oQ > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:44:20 -0500a1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>b! Subject: Re: MS-Fawning at Compaq ' Message-ID: <3B0C1314.575F3F3E@fsi.net>o   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:h > 4 > "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message4 > news:cjsmgtcrjq9vvtce7ptvb82upeo7bo5a89@4ax.com...6 > > On Wed, 23 May 2001 00:51:19 +0200, Christof Brass > > <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:g > >  > >6B > > >At the Technical Update I asked one Compaq representative why? > > >they didn't copy SUN's strategy in the UNIX market segmentMD > > >because this strategy seems to work much better than their own.@ > > >Answer: we don't want to have competition with our M$ based; > > >product line. Very strange answer to my understanding.s > > G > > Translation: We would rather fill Microsoft's pockets than our own.-G > > Recall that Compaq actually lost money on low end PCs last quarter. H > > Every single additional PC sale they made increased their loss. They4 > > would much rather this than make money it seems. > >  > N > Compaq's fixation, fealty, and fawning over Microsoft is indeed a sad thing.J > Win2K adoption rates are way below expectations. Datacenter Edition is aL > disaster (hasta la vista, ML770). And how many dollars has .NET brought in
 > for Compaq?r > K > Every time Compaq sells a Wintel box, Compaq contributes to the installed  > base of Intel and Microsoft. > L > Every time Compaq sells an Alpha box, Compaq contributed to the Alpha, and > VMS/Tru64 installed base.e > H > By adopting a pro-Microsoft stance at the expense of its own products,; > Compaq is doing itself and its STOCKHOLDERS a disservice.   @ I've mentioned before the possibly of stockholders seeking legalH recourse. Is there anyone here besides Terry who is a stockholder and isG sufficiently upset about this to participate in legal action to protectr your investment?   -- S David J. Dachteram dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/.  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 20:32:41 GMTu4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: MS-Fawning at Compaqt; Message-ID: <J7VO6.2718$zl5.803558@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3B0C1314.575F3F3E@fsi.net...  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:    > >gI > > Compaq's fixation, fealty, and fawning over Microsoft is indeed a sad  thing.L > > Win2K adoption rates are way below expectations. Datacenter Edition is aK > > disaster (hasta la vista, ML770). And how many dollars has .NET brought  in > > for Compaq?n > >HC > > Every time Compaq sells a Wintel box, Compaq contributes to theo	 installede  > > base of Intel and Microsoft. > >nJ > > Every time Compaq sells an Alpha box, Compaq contributed to the Alpha, anda > > VMS/Tru64 installed base.: > >.J > > By adopting a pro-Microsoft stance at the expense of its own products,= > > Compaq is doing itself and its STOCKHOLDERS a disservice.n >oB > I've mentioned before the possibly of stockholders seeking legalJ > recourse. Is there anyone here besides Terry who is a stockholder and isI > sufficiently upset about this to participate in legal action to protectE > your investment? >i  I I don't know that my opinion as stated above is grounds for legal action. I Litigation certainly is not a step I would initiate, promote, or endorse.   F What I *would* like to see is more evenhanded treatment of the productG portfolio. Rather than playing the fiefdom and OS Political Correctness.E game, Compaq needs to be more like General Motors. GM manages to sell0J multiple competing product lines (both home-grown and imported) and the GMC subsidiaries are not artificially restrained by corporate political0J correctness. If you go to a Buick dealer, the Buick dealer isn't gonna say. "Well, I think you'd be happier in a Pontiac!"  3 And GM damnsure isn't going to force such behavior.   F As far as I'm concerned, Kent Ferson and Mark Gorham should be free toJ market and promote their OSes, and Rich Marcello should be free to promote5 the Alpha architecture to the full extent of the law!-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:23:20 +0200y) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>s! Subject: Re: MS-Fawning at Compaqt, Message-ID: <3B0C2A48.8EB3B71D@infopuls.com>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:r > 4 > "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message4 > news:cjsmgtcrjq9vvtce7ptvb82upeo7bo5a89@4ax.com...6 > > On Wed, 23 May 2001 00:51:19 +0200, Christof Brass > > <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:y > >  > >fB > > >At the Technical Update I asked one Compaq representative why? > > >they didn't copy SUN's strategy in the UNIX market segmenttD > > >because this strategy seems to work much better than their own.@ > > >Answer: we don't want to have competition with our M$ based; > > >product line. Very strange answer to my understanding.l > > G > > Translation: We would rather fill Microsoft's pockets than our own. G > > Recall that Compaq actually lost money on low end PCs last quarter.iH > > Every single additional PC sale they made increased their loss. They4 > > would much rather this than make money it seems. > >e > N > Compaq's fixation, fealty, and fawning over Microsoft is indeed a sad thing.J > Win2K adoption rates are way below expectations. Datacenter Edition is aL > disaster (hasta la vista, ML770). And how many dollars has .NET brought in
 > for Compaq?0 > K > Every time Compaq sells a Wintel box, Compaq contributes to the installed  > base of Intel and Microsoft. > L > Every time Compaq sells an Alpha box, Compaq contributed to the Alpha, and > VMS/Tru64 installed base.c > H > By adopting a pro-Microsoft stance at the expense of its own products,; > Compaq is doing itself and its STOCKHOLDERS a disservice.S  " True, short and brilliant as ever!= May I add: Linux/FreeBSD installed base. I personally know of0@ companies in Europe which completely dropped SUNs because of its= bad performance price ratio but that aren't happy with Intel. . They are evaluating Alphas with Linux/FreeBSD.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:45:06 +0200o) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>  Subject: Re: Opera browser, Message-ID: <3B0C1341.3912AFF4@infopuls.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > Z > In article <3B05B563.B9192D11@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > >>m > >> In article <OFB8AE5EB5.2786550A-ON88256A4F.0079FFEC@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:e > >> >R > >> > Observations suggest it's OK. The pay version doesn't appear on the spywareN > >> > infested software list, and there are people using ethernet sniffers toR > >> > check. 'Course, they could always be doing some funky kind of encryption so > >> > it doesn't show up. > >>K > >> It could be waiting two years to start reporting, after it is popular.i > > B > > Do you think their business will then continue. If not: do you? > > think they would have earned enough money then? What do yous@ > > think of negotiating a special licence agreement for the VMSA > > version which specifically excludes all that sort of activityMC > > and would include a very high fee they had to pay if they braket > > the contract?h > - > Let me answer in Brian Schenkenberger mode.- > ? >         I am more interested in assurance of security than inD@ >         assurance that in the event of malfeasance there would  >         be income for lawyers.   This was for the audience.- Please try it another time, more substantial.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:10:47 -0300o) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brp* Subject: Oracle commitment with SUN - OnlyL Message-ID: <OF4C7D759E.B578233E-ON03256A55.0063A88A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  E If you dont know Oracle, Sun and Veritas have an agreement called VOSi Initiative.eH What means, customers having the products of the three companies have a=  H specialized call center - by contract of course - to solve the integrat= ion 	 problems.i  : Is there a  OC - Oracle x Compaq initiative ????? NO ! ! !     Regards    F=E1bio=   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 19:42:09 GMTr4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>. Subject: Re: Oracle commitment with SUN - Only; Message-ID: <loUO6.2639$zl5.789784@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>e  6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OF4C7D759E.B578233E-ON03256A55.0063A88A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...    : Is there a  OC - Oracle x Compaq initiative ????? NO ! ! !  L Well, depends on whatcha mean by initiative. Oracle 9i RAC, (OPS Simplified,L which relies on licensed components of Tru64 UNIX) would seem to represent a& significant Compaq-Oracle partnership.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2001 03:42:48 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Oracle x NATO- Message-ID: <87snhvkg1z.fsf@prep.synonet.com>v  ' Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:i  C > It must be worth millions of dollars to Sun to be able to countera@ > Compaq's renewed VMS marketing by pointing out that SAP has noC > confidence at all in VMS and Oracle are luke warm as well. That;s D > how they'll spin it and, to be honest, they are probably currentlyB > correct about these particular companies views. How Compaq fixesA > this is to get at least one of Oracle and SAP *absolutely fully C > onboard at *ANY REPEAT ANY COST*. Under Marcello about 50% of the2D > work to really push OpenVMS has been done. The final 50% hopefully > is still to come.S  B But Alan, you just wait till the Sunflowers have installed it all,@ then wave you 7.3 kit and say "See, told you it runs on VMS!" ;)   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov a   ------------------------------   Date: 23 May 2001 21:35:03 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: PGP revisited, Message-ID: <9ehae7$kkf@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  k In article <3B0B4501.3787F0E5@DigitalSynergyInc.com>, Jeff Coffield <Jeffrey@DigitalSynergyInc.com> writes:u >Glenn or Mary Everhart wrote: >eJ >> There are VMS ports of Gnupg which are not too old. Gnupg is an openpgpK >> implementation. I am inclined, since Zimmerman left NAI, to expect gnupgw0 >> to be the more developed of the pair shortly. >> >h! >Where do you find Gnupg for VMS?c  ?   http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/SOFTWARE/GNUPG1_0_4_VMS.ZIP   3 use at your own risk, I don't support it, etc. etc.u   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech 5J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------    Date: 23 May 2001 21:40:16 -0700" From: cstranslations@msn.com (Joe) Subject: Re: PGP revisited= Message-ID: <d56d1c2d.0105232040.60cf79b5@posting.google.com>    Bob,  D I downloaded C-Kemit for OpenVMS from www.columbia.edu/kermit (I wasA mildly surprised to find a recent version). It seems to have sometE interesting features. The PC side version is $65.00 and I haven't hadn@ a chance in the past day or so to getting around to ordering it.  E For the little bit that I've played around with it I haven't had muchd> success (but then I have never used kermit all that much). AnyE examples that you might be willing to share I would be interested in.j> I'll also have to give the GNUpg that David pointed out a try.  ? I tried emailing you directly but the couple variations on your,F address I tried bounced. You can send any example(s) to me directly atF your option at the address I'm posting from. I can do with out all theE spam that will start showing up to my work address if I include it inID this post so I'd rather not (there's enough garbage arriving at this' address every day to fill a land fill).@   Joe.  h dorenat@mailandnewsdot.com (Bob) wrote in message news:<Xns90A8595CDE8A2gneissmailroom@63.210.103.21>...K > Joe, we too could not find a free or shareware version for latest VMS on  J > Alpha.  As a workaround we installed latest PGP on a Linux box, and use K > Kermit (start it on VMS, run Kermit on Linux in server mode) to transfer TN > the files and control PGP.  It works very well, since PGP can be controlled O > entirely by command switches; all of our PGP jobs are completely automated.  h< > I can share command files if you want to see how I did it. >  > --Bobc >  > H > >Trying to get 6.5.3 to compile on OpenVMS looks to be a bit involved.H > >The other alternative is passing files off to a PC and then retriving( > >the encrypted file (less that ideal). > >r > >Joe   ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2001 03:37:56 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>+ Subject: Re: POSIX threads and word tearingf- Message-ID: <87wv77kga3.fsf@prep.synonet.com>C  1 Dave Butenhof <David.Butenhof@compaq.com> writes:b  C > > Without memory granularity requirements and/or a way to accountY? > > for different ways different architectures deal with memory ? > > granularity, I don't see how POSIX threads interface can beb$ > > portable (as the name suggests).  F > Right, and since the C and C++ standards don't specify the size of aD > byte, or the order of bytes in an int or long, clearly THEY cannot6 > be standard, either. You oversimplify the situation.  oD > PORTABILITY doesn't mean that you can do any bloody thing you wantE > and have it work everywhere. Rather, it means that the standard hasWE > specified a range of uses that ARE portable. If you don't do thingso> > beyond the scope of the standard, or things precluded by the > standard, you're fine.  C A good standard will explicitly specify 3 cases, minimium. First iseF the 'standard', stuff that must be as per spec. Second, is what is NOTB covered by the standard. Also called the non-goals. Third, in goodF standards is what an implementer must do, and specify for the specific implentation  I? > POSIX doesn't specify, nor presume knowledge of, the hardwareI? > architecture. It cannot know, or specify, which data sizes or F > operations might be supported by the hardware.  Nor can it limit theD > optimizations employed for low-level data access by compilers. ButB > that's really about as far as anyone can go without specifying a0 > particular hardware architecture and compiler.  1 Yes, but it does not take that esential 3rd step.n  eD > To oversimplify in the other direction... the standard is there toD > ENABLE you to write portable code, not to PREVENT you from writingC > nonportable code. You need to be aware of implementation-specificaE > behavior in many cases; while that's unfortunate, I'm afraid nobody ; > ever said that life (or programming, much less concurrent ' > programming) was supposed to be easy.a  C Well, since you can't even write a program to count that is totally < portable, the odd niggle on concurrent stuff is pretty good.   -- m< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.I@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:20:59 -0500m1 From: Robert Alan Byer <byer@mail.ourservers.net>V+ Subject: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone?a3 Message-ID: <3B0C45DA.111B9A27@mail.ourservers.net>   6 Anyone know of a LISP system for OpenVMS Alpha or VAX?  . I would appreciate any help and input on this.   Thanks.e   -- p  @  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Robert Alan Byer | byer@mail.ourservers.net | ICQ #65926579 |@  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Send an E-mail request to obtain a copy of my PGP key.      |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+@  | "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by |@  |  cans of cola the thoughts aquire speed, the hands aquire   |@  |  shakes, the shakes become a warning.  It is by caffeine    |@  |  alone I set my mind in motion."                            |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2001 03:02:19 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>* Subject: Re: savesets not exceeding 650 MB- Message-ID: <8766erlwhw.fsf@prep.synonet.com>n  + "Pbo" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> writes:   L >     Doesn't work cause VMS doesn't ask for a new volume on disks backup...  H Yes it does. I spent many a happy hour dumpimg RA81s onto 2 or 3 RA 60s. Too many hours in fact.e   -- o< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.C@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------   Date: 23 May 2001 18:58:20 GMT From: ka2doug@cs.com (KA2DOUG)# Subject: Re: Show Device D Problemsd> Message-ID: <20010523145820.04990.00000049@ng-fu1.news.cs.com>  1 > OH, NO!! That means someone probably wanted to:  >  > $ CD :== SET DEFAULT	 > $ CD D:o   I'm believe this also requires:t   $ set prompt="C:\>"    :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:28:04 -0500A1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>p# Subject: Re: Show Device D Problems*' Message-ID: <3B0C1D54.7DFE8DD8@fsi.net>e   KA2DOUG wrote: > 3 > > OH, NO!! That means someone probably wanted to:g > >f > > $ CD :== SET DEFAULT > > $ CD D:, > ! > I'm believe this also requires:  >  > $ set prompt="C:\>"o >  > :-)r   Well, maybe not require, but...-  D Y'know, I can't help thinking that there oughtta be a $FAO directiveE which yields the equivalent of F$PARSE( F$environment( "default" ) ).-F That way, if you manage (by way of SET DEFAULT or whatever) to set the@ translation of SYS$DISK to some concealed logical name ("C", forC example, whatever the translation) it would at least be possible toxF modify DCL to allow such directives in the prompt string, just as theyE are allowed in SET PREFIX strings for use in batch jobs, or maybe letaE SET PREFIX be effective when not running a .COM proc. Then, you couldr conceivably (for example):  # $ DEFINE C/TRANS=CONC DKA0:[USERS.]i $ SET DEFAULT Cc $ SET PROMPT "> " = > SET PREFIX "!%x"	! "x" is the "new" $FAO directive proposedi C:[USER]> SHOW DEFAULT
   C:[USER]
 C:[USER]>   E Not real useful, I know, but so many folks have asked for this. MaybenC that'd be a way to do it. Dunno if there's already a $FAO directivep@ which will produce the desired output, and I don't have the doc.F available (not gonna go look at http://www.openvms.compa.com/doc/ justG now - feel free) 'cuz SET PREFIX produces no result unless your runningcE a .COM proc. (yes - I tried SET PREFIX, SET VER and @SYS$COMMAND - noo	 schmae!).n  9 To keep changes in DCL from "breaking" anything, require:u   $ DEFINE DCL$SHOW_PREFIX TRUEn  = ...to have the prefix displayed when not running a .COM proc.    -- I David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:31:09 -0500m1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>r# Subject: Re: Show Device D Problemsr' Message-ID: <3B0C483D.F0553727@fsi.net>o   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > [snip]D > > SET PREFIX "!%x"      ! "x" is the "new" $FAO directive proposed [snip]  > O.k. I looked it up in the on-line doc.'s. (the correct URL isE http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/). It looks like "!%P" (for "Path")a would be available. So:-  # $ DEFINE C/TRANS=CONC DKA0:[USERS.]  $ SET DEFAULT C" $ SET PROMPT "> "aD > SET PREFIX "!%P"      ! "!%P" is the "new" $FAO directive proposed C:[USER]> SHOW DEFAULT
   C:[USER]
 C:[USER]>   G ...could be possible, given the appropriate changes to DCL and the $FAO  service.   Wish list item...    -- I David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:52:35 +1000h- From: "Dick Adams" <adams.dick.rc@bhp.com.au>u" Subject: Standalone Backup VMS 6.24 Message-ID: <9ei0m0$7n1$1@gossamer.itmel.bhp.com.au>   Hi, J     I look after several Alphas running OpenVMS 6.2 and have always bootedJ from the CD when performing backups on the system disks. A recent HardwareL failure saw us loading up the latest firmware, but now I can't boot from theL CD, it starts booting but a few minutes into the process it resets and gives1 an error "Machine BUGCHECK while in kernel mode".x  F     I got out the 6.2 Upgrade and installation manual and followed the? instructions in appendix B for creating an Alternate boot Disk.o       So far so good.n  I     After shutting down and booting from the Alternate Disk I get the $$$e3 prompt. When I try and issue a MOUNT command I get:o% %CLI-F-SYNTAX, error parsing 'POLICY'c -CLI-E-ENTNF       So far no good.i  E     I have been able to boot from a VMS 7.21 CD but haven't tried anyaJ commands like MOUNT, I also have the 7.1-2 CD but haven't tried it at all.       My questions are:2H     1)    Is there some simple fix (or even an explanation) for my MOUNT  problem when booting standalone?  K     2)    If the 7.21 CD enables me to issue commands, will an Image backupBH of a 6.2 system using 7.21 backup be restorable and usable under 6.2? (II have seen the discussion on BACKUP /ALIAS etc but don't really understand. which qualifier to use).     TIAm     Dick   ------------------------------   Date: 23 May 2001 22:00:44 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants, Message-ID: <9ehbuc$kkf@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  ] In article <3B0BD301.D02EFD8F@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:  >> iM >> Right.  And what _we're_ saying is that you've been able to do this on VMSkN >> forever.  Except that you don't expand a file system on VMS, you just mountF >> the whole disk and maybe bind it into a volume set.  If you want toG >> restrict usage to part of the disk you use disk quotas.  VMS doesn'tlN >> partition disks and honestly I've never seen any reason to do so on this OSJ >> - it's a Unix/ Windows thing with no utility on VMS.  Well, it might beN >> useful if you wanted a dual boot system with one disk, but disks are now soN >> cheap it's easier just to put in another drive.  And it was never necessaryK >> for things like "swap" which used to need (and usually still have) theire >> own disk partitions on Unix.- >> - >-, >I am not talking about partitioning disks.  >0? >I am refering to the ability to take say a filesystem mounted oE >on a logical volume that is for example one whole disk, add another 0= >disk to the logical volume to make the logical volume largera9 >and then to make the filesystem grow into the new space t' >without taking the filesystem offline.t  J So am I, but the OS's do this in slightly different ways.  The net result L is the same though: there's a "storage unit" made up of chunks of "physical 5 storage".  It's just that on a Unix it will look like   #  /dev/logicalvolume1  (or whatever)    and will be mounted as    /usrspace  (or whatever)"   and on VMS it will look like    disk:  L and it will probably be referenced through a logical such as USRSPACE which  has been defined as DISK:c   Ok?p   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:46:05 -0400 2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>* Subject: This will add a smile to your day2 Message-ID: <XjVO6.684$fi2.15983@news.cpqcorp.net>  % It is a parody but I loved the title.s      
 Warm Regards,-   Sue-      ? http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3ac899d5-073640a0p   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:54:53 +0100@  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com: Subject: Re: Using DECnet Phase V without "over IP" stuff?H Message-ID: <OF0C834FE5.AEC6CF24-ON80256A55.005C1690@qedi.quintiles.com>  E But this does not take account of the search path taken to get a hostrH address from a name, nor the fact that (certainly up to 7.1-1H2) even ifI you were only going to use addresses in the DOMAIN address tower it could B not be the primary address tower so you had to have something else configured too.   K What I would suspect in this case is that the system is finding the address I from the IP database (DOMAIN address tower) first before the one from theo1 local DECnet database (i.e. LOCAL address tower).   J Check for the address in the local database (using mc decnet_register showF node nodename).  If it's not in there then add it and, in either case,7 issue that command that trips off the fingers so easilyl5 $ MC NCL FLUSH SESSION CONTROL NAMING CACHE ENTRY "*"W  G The * can be replaced by the node name in question but must still be in: quotes.g  K If the system still insists on going to the domain address tower first thentJ remove the entry in the local hosts table (the one within UCX on the local' node) and flush the naming cache again.    Steve.   Tim Llewellyn wrote: >>>tK Presumably you have only Decnet over IP configured. You need to add a LOCALFK or DECDns  (not preferred). Still trying to remember the NCL to check this,tF but did you try @sys$update:net$configure then select option 2, change naming# information. It should then ask you   D * Enter the directory services to use on the system [LOCAL,DOMAIN] :  J where the stuff in square brackets is the currently configured value. What1 do you get ? I'm guessing you only have [DOMAIN].. <<<u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 20:22:09 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>) Subject: Re: VAX motif V1.2-6 kit problem 6 Message-ID: <1010523200840.11310A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  & On Wed, 23 May 2001 hammond@not wrote:  9 > In article <1010522163544.26446B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, P$ > John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:3 > >Last week I received my new Motif kit (on TK50).* > >*E > >There is only one tape in the kit (and only one listed on the BOM) ? > >and it only has the VMSINSTAL version of the kit on it.  ThePA > >VMSINSTAL version refuses to install on V6.1 or later (or willgA > >only install on V6.1 or early, I'm not sure and I don't care.)b > >u? > >I need the PCSI version for VMS 7.x (currently V7.1 at work,eA > >but I am planning to upgrade to V7.3 as soon as I receive it.)0 > ..= > >I know I should take this up with the support channel, butd/ > >asking on the news group seems less painful.p > F > John -- It sounds like you did not get what your orderd (or wanted).6 > By all means, take this up with the support channel.    Thanks - I'll check with them...   > C > FYI, OpenVMS VAX V7.3 will be the last OpenVMS release that ships B > on TK50 or open-reel mag tape.  If your VAX supports SCSI, add a@ > CD-ROM drive -- you will be much happier!  If you cannot put aB > CD-ROM on your VAX, you will need to find a way to copy CD kits B > to a disk on your system.  If you have a local net that includesB > OpenVMS systems that DO have CD-ROM, a network copy is possible.G > Otherwise, you may be looking at developing your own "sneaker-net" --@E > take disk to system B; copy CD to disk; take disk back to your VAX.a  B Yup, we've been over this before.  At work, we have a VAX 4000-200? with no direct SCSI, but it does have a HSD05 DSSI-SCSI adapters@ with one RZ29 disk on it.  (This was cheaper than an RF74 on theF used market a few years ago.)  I understand I can probably daisy-chainF a SCSI CD-ROM drive into it, but I don't know if I could boot from it.  ? Since there are also two Alpha's, each with CD-ROM, in the samed> cluster as the VAX, there would be no problem copying the distA CD's to a local disk and doing the upgrades from there.  I've hadVB no problems at all doing layered product installs from MSCP-served CD-ROM drives.  B I also have one of our old VAXes (3600) at home, running under the? hobbyist license.  No SCSI and no hope of one there...  (Unless3A Q-bus SCSI boards suddenly become free), but I think I'll be ableR? to figure out some way to copy from my PC's CD-ROM to a disk onr@ the MV3600 (raw kermit or ftp copy to a virtual disk on the VAX,@ then backup/image of the virtual disk to a scratch physical diskB so I can boot it?)  If I get this to work, I'll post details.  I'm9 sure there must be other hobbyist users in the same boat.t   > -- nM >     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAs   -- s John Santosy Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:02:52 +1000h( From: Patrick Keogh <pkeogh@au1.ibm.com>N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc+ Message-ID: <3B0C87EC.30BD5552@au1.ibm.com>f   Simon Clubley wrote:   >pL > On a related matter, does anyone want to comment on the most unusual pieceH > of hardware (either on the bus or via an external interface) that they> > have ever seen connected to and controlled by a VMS system ?  E The most unusual I ever worked on was the Mt. Stromlo & Siding Springr4 Observatory 2.3 metre Advanced Technology Telescope.J The computer was an 11/780, and most of the interfacing was via DZ-11s and5 DR-11s. The telescope was "properly" interfaced, with,G the console being two VT-100s using SMG routines, and a full set of DCLz/ definitions, so you could type funky stuff liker     $ set building/lights=off G     $ set building/rotate  ! and the three storey building would rotatet$     $ track /ra=42/dec=16/avoid=moon
 and so on.  P That meant that we could drive it all via DECnet, over the 9600 baud leased line3 from 800Km away. And indeed we did. For the Haley's I Comet event, we had most of Australia's senior politicians at Mt. StromlooA (outside Canberra), and showed them the comet from Siding Spring,oL over the link. We used the latest and greatest VAXstation I technology, with; (gasp) colour display! I had convinced DEC that it would befP a great PR event, and the "price" was the VAXstations, which we would never have been able to afford.  I Most of the credit for the software goes to Hilton Lewis who is now sadlyo6 VMS-free at the Keck Telescope in Hawaii. The hardwareO development (11/780 backplane rewiring so it would use a decent clock etc.) was " done by the in-house team as well.  L Rather than thinking of it as a telescope with a computer attached, I always6 thought of it as a computer with a neat peripheral :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:54:53 +0200v, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.n0spam.nl> Subject: Re: VMS<->RSTS ; Message-ID: <3b0c318d$0$19599$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl>u  K RSTS/E supports DECnet Phase IV and Ethernet since V9.3. I know, because we.4 fieldtested V9.3 because we needed Ethernet support. Ugh... remember the DEUNA?   Regards,  	 Bart Zornn  - "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message-0 news:1010521171554.23886B-100000@Ives.egh.com...( > On 21 May 2001, Bill Gunshannon wrote: >eI > > Is it possible for a VAX running VMS-7.1 to communicate with a PDP-11-G > > running RSTS/E V10.1-L if both of them are running DECNET??  Anyone @ > > provide pointers into what I need to do to accomplish this?? > >+ > > bill >yB > Yes, should work fine.  I found it easier to transfer files fromA > the PDP-11 side because you can make the decision about whether B > to transfer it as an RMS file (preserve attributes), as a binaryA > file (collection of 512-byte blocks) or as a text file (convert-A > to/from various RMS text formats to RSTS/E text file (basically-C > stream-CRLF format) and tell NFT what to do.  On the VMS side, it<? > will push/pull everything as an RMS file, and I think non-RMSBD > RSTS/E files end up as sequential-fixed 512 byte record RMS files. >rG > For SET HOST, recent VMS versions require SET HOST/APPLICATION=RTERM.nB > I think there was a bug in the Alpha version of this that causedG > an immediate stackdump.  DEC sent us a corrected version of RTPAD.EXEaE > but I don't know if the fix ever made it into the released version.5A > (Our last PDP-11 went away in November, 1999.)  As far as I can 3 > remember, SET HOST always worked fine from VAXes.e >r@ > SET HOST the other way required the unsupported version of the@ > RSTS set-host utility, NETUNS.TSK instead of NET.TSK.  I neverA > had any problems with NETUNS, so I just renamed DECNET$:NET.TSK ? > to NETSUP.TSK, and renamed NETUNS.TSK to NET.TSK, so set hoste > would always use NETUNS. >2E > Other DECNET stuff (i.e. task-to-task communications) always workedn1 > fine for me, given the limitations of DECNET/E.D >U@ > On the VMS side, we were running both Phase-IV and Phase-V, onA > both VAXes and Alphas (VAXen and Alphii?)  Except for the RTPAD B > problem on Alphas, I don't remember any particular problems, but > it has been a while... >e > --
 > John Santoss > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539 >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 02:31:19 GMTS( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> Subject: Re: VMS<->RSTS ' Message-ID: <GDtJ07.Co8@spcuna.spc.edu>e  / Bob Koehler <koehler@encompasserve.org> writes:eF > You will need a common carrier.  I think that release of RSTS is newH > enough to support Ethernet, but I'm not sure.  Both support DDCMP, butG > if the VAX is recent you might have to go third party to find a DDCMP D > board for it.  Just possibly both might support asynch DECnet, butI > I don't recall if RSTS ever did that.  I'd say check the SPD, but whereeI > would you find a RSTS SPD?  (OK, if you have the PDP you might have the  > docs.)  F   DECnet/E supports Ethernet starting at V4.0, which IIRC was released concurrently with RSTS/E 9.3.l  G   There *is* Async DECnet support in the 10.1 release he's running, but F it is undocumented and the user interfaces to configure it weren't putE into the product due to the RSTS/E group being shut down (or was thatuG "shot down"?). But you can issue the appropriate SYS() calls to config- 6 ure it and bring it up if you know the secret details.  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAo   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:51:29 -0400s- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> ? Subject: Re: Website white paper questions (DEC/EDI and others?o- Message-ID: <3B0C06B1.B7BDD325@bellsouth.net>r  M I must fall on my sword here and must apologize for quoting a customer beforenT researching the statement, What I found was that EDI  **IS** a viable Alpha product. See the following link:A  e http://search.compaq.com/cgi-bin/query?mss=simple&pg=q&stovokor=com&limiter=com&site=main&kl=en&q=EDIr  ! Again, My apologies to the group.i   Michael Austin DBA Consultant   Michael Austin wrote:r  T > From what I can tell, DEC/EDI is a dead product.  So few people use it that it wasN > not worth the investment to keep it going.  I have a client  that still usesT > DEC/EDI, but only on a VAX.  I don't believe it was ever ported to Alpha, which isN > why my client upgraded from a VAX4000/60 to a 4000/90 (a little faster, more
 > memory). >D > Michael Austin: > Rdb/Oracle DBA Consultant -- Need one? -- Available now! >$# > norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:. >lP > > The following reference came up when I sight-searched OpenVMS for "DEC/EDI".R > > It includes DEC/EDI only as a trademark of Digital Equipment Corp. but with no > > reference in the text. > > S > > Except for the software compatibility matrix, no reference to DEC/EDI exists one > > this Website.U > > Q > > It also lists the Spiralog file system as an area of enhancement for OpenVMS.  > >eI > > I did not read it all to see what else might be less than current....c > >e< > > The revision date, as can be seen below, is 17-May-2001. > >  > > What is going on here? > >r8 > >  Compaq.com - Enterprise Computing - OpenVMS SystemsQ > >       United States     OpenVMS Software Strategy. Executive summary. DigitaleI > >       is teaming with Microsoft Corporation to develop an integrated.sS > >       http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/WHITEPAPERS/ovms_strategy/ovms_stra- > >       tegy.html-: > >       Revised 17-May-2001 - page size 48K - in English > >"   ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2001 03:29:33 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>2 Subject: Re: What problem does FTSO really solve ?- Message-ID: <871ypflv8i.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ' Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:.  C > >Hey, I remember downgrading from that sort of functionality whennB > >Coloured Books went out of fashion in the late 80's (sorry, for6 > >people with uk academic computing background only).   Argh... Colour book! shudder  F > Blue Book (don't mention UFOs) specifically if memory serves (and it; > may well not!) UCCA/PCAS/UCAS/whatever-they-are-today (UKkE > centralized higher education admission scheme) insisted on colouredtE > book protocols until about 1996 or so.  FTSO does appear to providec: > the missing functionality from TCP/IP. I can recall thisA > functionality existing in extensions to ANF-10 under TOPS-10 ino > 1980..  9 RSX with FTS, File Transfer Spooler. And you could set upe: an xfer to run in the small hours. All run off the queues.   -- 2< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:13:21 GMT , From: "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com>5 Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS 6.2 support 18 & 36GB diskse: Message-ID: <BmYO6.45147$MR1.6904622@news02.optonline.net>   Yep, they work fine.6 Nope, nothing particularly interesting about the INIT.   Frank Sapienza    7 "Vic Mendham" <vmendham@altavista.com> wrote in message 5 news:8b51ed8.0105230916.ebe25e0@posting.google.com...f2 > Will Open VMS support 18GB and 36 GB data disks? >VE > Is there anything special needed to init these disks when migratinge9 > from 9 GB drives to 18 or 36 GB via backup/image/noinito >s
 > Regards, > victor.mendham@emergis.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 03:24:12 GMTi3 From: "MrSignor" <MrSignor@nospam_bellatlantic.net>l2 Subject: XP-1000 Machine check - what does it mean8 Message-ID: <w9%O6.2754$xM2.1165755@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>   Hello,J    My XP1000 has recently started crashing. Please excuse my ignorance but/    what does the following crash info tell me ?   +    I believe Machine check means hardware ?   >    During the most recent crash, I believe the display said...  3    Bugcheck 215, Machine check while in kernel modeo   TIAi   -Frede  ================================ Crashdump Summary Information:  -----------------------------* Crash Time:        23-MAY-2001 22:58:59.17A Bugcheck Type:     MACHINECHK, Machine check while in kernel modef' Node:              ATDESK  (Standalone)n9 CPU Type:          COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000u VMS Version:       V7.2-1" Current Process:   NULLy" Current Image:     <not available>J Failing PC:        FFFFFFFF.800170F4    EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003F4$ Failing PS:        00000000.00001F04H Module:            SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_2208    (Link Date/Time: 29-DEC-1999 04:03:3e 3.49)r Offset:            000070F4C  * Boot Time:         23-MAY-2001 11:39:12.00* System Uptime:               0 11:19:47.17 Crash/Primary CPU: 00/00 System/CPU Type:   2208e Saved Processes:   26-' Pagesize:          8 KByte (8192 bytes)1   Crashdump Summary Information:  -----------------------------< Physical Memory:   256 MByte (32768 PFNs, contiguous memory) Dumpfile Pagelets: 73393 blocks>: Dump Flags:        olddump,writecomp,errlogcomp,dump_style' Dump Type:         compressed,selectiver) EXE$GL_FLAGS:      poolpging,init,bugdump 6 Paging Files:      1 Pagefile and 1 Swapfile installed   Stack Pointers: K KSP = FFFFFFFF.84D67EC0   ESP = FFFFFFFF.84D69000   SSP = FFFFFFFF.84D61000o USP = FFFFFFFF.84D61000D   General Registers:K R0  = 00000000.00000000   R1  = 00000000.00000000   R2  = 00000000.00000210 K R3  = FFFFFFFF.80C2E7C0   R4  = 00000000.00000080   R5  = 00000000.00000000(K R6  = FFFFFFFF.80D0E000   R7  = 00000000.00000000   R8  = 00000000.00000000 K R9  = 00000000.00000000   R10 = 00000000.0000002D   R11 = FFFFFFFF.80D4B280oK R12 = 00000000.0062F7CC   R13 = FFFFFFFF.80CB9EA0   R14 = FFFFFFFF.80C05C00sK R15 = FFFFFFFE.00074E78   R16 = 00000000.00000215   R17 = 00000000.00000210sK R18 = 00002244.014C0011   R19 = 00000000.08004100   R20 = 00000000.00000000r  K R21 = 00006244.014C0090   R22 = 00000000.00000100   R23 = 00000000.00000001gK R24 = FFFFFFFF.80D0A000   AI  = 00000000.00000001   RA  = FFFFFFFF.80002030cK PV  = 00000000.00000002   R28 = FFFFFFFF.80017E94   FP  = FFFFFFFF.84D67EC0H1 PC  = FFFFFFFF.800170F8   PS  = 00000000.00001F04a   System Registers:nK Page Table Base Register (PTBR)                           00000000.00007FF8nK Processor Base Register (PRBR)                            FFFFFFFF.80D0E000hK Privileged Context Block Base (PCBB)                      00000000.0080E080iK System Control Block Base (SCBB)                          00000000.000005C0 K Software Interrupt Summary Register (SISR)                00000000.00000000fK Address Space Number (ASN)                                00000000.00000000sK AST Summary / AST Enable (ASTSR_ASTEN)                    00000000.00000000hK Floating-Point Enable (FEN)                               00000000.00000000CK Interrupt Priority Level (IPL)                            00000000.0000001FdK Machine Check Error Summary (MCES)                        00000000.00000000-K Virtual Page Table Base Register (VPTB)                   FFFFFFFC.00000000o     Failing Instruction:. EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003F4:     BUGCHK  * Instruction Stream (last 20 instructions):B EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003A4:     EXTBL           R16,R1,R16D EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003A8:     BLBC            R16,#X000003F EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003AC:     LDQ             R27,#XFFB8(R2)D EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003B0:     BIS             R31,#X21,R16A EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003B4:     JSR             R26,(R26) E EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003B8:     LDL             R0,#X0008(FP)lF EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003BC:     LDQ             R26,#X0020(R2)D EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003C0:     BIS             R31,#X07,R16D EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003C4:     BIS             R31,#X01,R25C EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003C8:     BEQ             R0,#X000005 F EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003CC:     LDQ             R27,#X0028(R2)A EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003D0:     JSR             R26,(R26)iE EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003D4:     LDL             R0,#XFDB0(R2) C EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003D8:     BIS             R0,#X05,R16 . EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003DC:     BUGCHKE EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003E0:     LDL             R1,#X0008(FP)oF EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003E4:     LDQ             R17,#XFDB0(R2)C EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003E8:     BNE             R1,#X000003 B EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003EC:     ADDL            R31,R17,R2C EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003F0:     BIS             R2,#X05,R16a. EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003F4:     BUGCHKA EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003F8:     BIS             R31,FP,SPeF EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003FC:     LDQ             R26,#X0010(FP)E EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+00400:     LDQ             R2,#X0018(FP)cE EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+00404:     LDQ             FP,#X0020(FP)    ------------------------------   Date: 23 MAY 2001 15:15:18 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)@ Subject: Re: [DCPS] Page accounting for color laser PS printers?6 Message-ID: <23MAY01.15151864@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  ? In a previous article, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote:   B ->What happens with duplex printing? One sheet of paper printed onA ->two sides. It'll have two "showpage" commands, but it won't usetD ->two sheets of paper. I suspect that it counts as two pages anyway.  H This wouldn't bother me. I'd be satisfied with an accurate "interpreted"E page count (thank's Paul for the detail explanation). Kinko's chargesa2 the same per copy whether it's duplex or not too.   H In a previous analysis of printing costs, the paper was a small fractionH of the actual per page cost. Toner, printer maintenance and depreciation where still the major portions.m   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.285 ************************ FL USAs   -- s John Santosy Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:02:52 +1000h( From: ʐIe[. agmAMHU2b$Nobu<I	^б9sADYzV2 ˶V\yZG,Yq彦gg%ΨNJ_k_%ƪk[%Ƥ9/֮J$M&!q
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