1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 25 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 287       Contents: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq Re: 7.3 kits Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations ( Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS?( Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS?( Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS?( Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS? Re: Backup to CD?  Re: Backup to CD?  Re: Backup to CD?  Re: Backup to CD?  Re: Backup to CD?  Re: Backup to CD?  Re: Backup to CD? " Re: DCL: Product show History   !!? Re: DNS questions 1:M host_name:host_address (address ordering)  Re: DSSI problem RE: DSSI problem? Expanding VMS filesystems (Was: Re: The Internet, Tru64 , etc.) % Re: How to script FTP without /INPUT? 0 Re: How to store results of Command in a symbol? Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname # Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname # Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname # Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname # Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname < Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname - and VMS, too...oh, my!< Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname - and VMS, too...oh, my!< Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname - and VMS, too...oh, my!< Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname - and VMS, too...oh, my!> Re: If backup does not select any files, why do a verify pass? Re: looking for odd item Re: Microsoft and Lockeed  Re: Microsoft and Lockeed  Re: Microsoft and Lockeed  Re: Microsoft and Lockeed  Re: Microsoft and Lockeed  Re: Microsoft and Lockeed  Re: Microsoft and Lockeed  Re: Microsoft and Lockeed  Re: Microsoft and Lockeed  Re: Microsoft and Lockeed  Re: Microsoft and Lockeed  Re: Microsoft and Lockeed  Re: Microsoft and Lockeed  Re: Microsoft and Lockeed  Re: Microsoft and Lockeed  Re: MOP/LAD across routers?  Re: MS-Fawning at Compaq Re: MS-Fawning at Compaq Re: Opera browser % Re: Oracle commitment with SUN - Only  Re: PGP revisited  Plotting Program - available? ! Re: Plotting Program - available? ! Re: Plotting Program - available? " Re: POSIX threads and word tearing" Re: POSIX threads and word tearing" Re: POSIX threads and word tearing& Re: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone?' Reinstalling Backup patch on 7.2 system + Re: Reinstalling Backup patch on 7.2 system + Re: Reinstalling Backup patch on 7.2 system + Re: Reinstalling Backup patch on 7.2 system < Remote printing through a Cisco Router and no IP addressing.@ Re: Remote printing through a Cisco Router and no IP addressing.@ Re: Remote printing through a Cisco Router and no IP addressing.@ Re: Remote printing through a Cisco Router and no IP addressing.@ Re: Remote printing through a Cisco Router and no IP addressing.P Serious offer. This is not ordinary offer as many in Internet. The New Way In YoP Re: Serious offer. This is not ordinary offer as many in Internet. The New Way I Re: Standalone Backup VMS 6.2  Re: Standalone Backup VMS 6.2 / Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants / RE: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants / Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants / Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants / Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants / Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants , Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?
 VAX boards FS  Re: VMS doc site master index E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc E Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc  Re: VMS<->RSTS Re: VMS<->RSTS- Re: XP-1000 Machine check - what does it mean - Re: XP-1000 Machine check - what does it mean ' Re: [PATHWORKS-32] What is the future ? " Re: [Q] DCL minute of the week-end  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2001 12:03:10 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) ! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq , Message-ID: <M8yezUCq+t0k@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  = In article <glbP6.3156$zl5.1212610@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,  9    "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  >>H >> > Of course, Island Computer has some reasonably attractive prices if > you're? >> > willing to settle for less than state of the art hardware.  >>* >> The after-market is indeed most useful! >> > ? > No doubt! And Island seems to have some pretty decent prices.  >   F    The irony is that much of this stuff seems to be brand-new kit thatA Compaq couldn't move at the prices they demanded for it before it C became "obsolete". So they dump it to folks like Island, who put it B into the hands of the customers at a price near what Compaq should$ have been asking in the first place.  B    I've never studied advanced economics, but I'm not clear on the@ business sense of building the stuff and then pricing it so that noone will buy it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:17:35 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq < Message-ID: <j7dP6.3622$zl5.1237809@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  > "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message& news:M8yezUCq+t0k@malvm5.mala.bc.ca...> > In article <glbP6.3156$zl5.1212610@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,; >    "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: A > > No doubt! And Island seems to have some pretty decent prices.  > >  > H >    The irony is that much of this stuff seems to be brand-new kit thatC > Compaq couldn't move at the prices they demanded for it before it E > became "obsolete". So they dump it to folks like Island, who put it D > into the hands of the customers at a price near what Compaq should& > have been asking in the first place.   That about sums it up.   > D >    I've never studied advanced economics, but I'm not clear on theB > business sense of building the stuff and then pricing it so that > noone will buy it. >   K Oh, it's easy... if you build X number of products and you're losing money, 8 all ya gotta do is build 100X as many and then you'll...   oops, never mind ;-}   terry s    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:36:11 -0400 # From: Paul DeMone <pdemone@igs.net> ! Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq ' Message-ID: <3B0D7ECB.12D659F7@igs.net>    Paul Repacholi wrote:  > ' > Paul DeMone <pdemone@igs.net> writes:  [...] C > Paul, two points. Is it really a good deal to use older chips and @ > processes with the higher wafer costs? And second, the 21164PCC > was touted as a low cost system enabler, but it still used a full B > interface chipset! With the hole count and board area. Would notE > a lower speed, low power, highly intergrated unit be a better idea? . > Sort of a cross between a 21066 and the EV8.  @  Sorry I was being sarcastic. DEC was burned at every attempt toB  do low cost Alpha MPUs and systems. Not only that but it divertedB  scarce engineering resources and dollars chasing a market that is@  really a mirage. Let Sun take that approach. I will be happy ifB  Compaq directs EV7 at high end boxes and leaves EV68 and EV69 forE  low and mid range boxes. The EV6x parts that yield below mid process ,  frequency can go in the $2.5k to $3k boxes.   [...]   B > It would seem to be a no brainer for AMD to provide the low costB > motherboards for Alphas, and Decpaq provide a kick arse unit forB > AMD to go for the top end. Seems to be a negative brain count in4 > Texas, even with the departure of their #1 son. :)  A  I am sorely disappointed that neither DECpaq nor AMD took better @  advantage of the obvious synergy you mentioned from the EV6 bus?  licensing. Alpha gear is still over priced and the K7 is still   under-SMPed  ;-)      --D Paul W. DeMone       The 801 experiment SPARCed an ARMs race of EPICE Kanata, Ontario      proportions to put more PRECISION and POWER into G demone@mosaid.com    architectures with MIPSed results but ALPHA's well $ pdemone@igs.net      that ends well.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:36:42 -0500 . From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> Subject: Re: 7.3 kits . Message-ID: <3B0D7EEA.3C0116FC@pressenter.com>  = We received our 7.3 kit today.... New packaging.... GOOD!!!!!   E Bummer about the picture of the SUN workstations on the box though...      --  G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my 	 employer.     H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2001 19:13:36 GMT- From: "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> ( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations. Message-ID: <3b0d5dad@kerberos.linuxpuppy.net>  * Well, actually, there is another approach.  J The developer company should sign up for the Compaq Solutions Alliance andJ then subscribe to the SDK service.  This includes licenses for MOST of theJ software for IN HOUSE DEVELOPMENT.  This is one of the benefits of workingL with Compaq as well as DIGITAL, before, so as to encourage participation and/ development of software for their environments.   I The hurdles to cross to be in the CSA program are minimal, they just want J you to have a plan to develop a product or service which is complimentary./ The costs are minimal, less than $2,000 / year.   I If a company is looking to get into the OpenVMS arena with an application F or service this is the way to go.  Costs of licensing should not be an issue.   --
 Bill Pedersen  CCSS Corporation CCSS Interactive Learning 
 www.VMS.St 831-336-2708 ================  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message- news:UWMOJ4asltif@eisner.encompasserve.org... K > > Good point. But in the interim, if I had any intention of developing an L > > OpenVMS app for commercial use, I'd use the Hobbyist License for initialK > > development, then go out and buy the commercial OS kit when I was ready  to > > launch my product. > B > I believe that approach is absolutely forbidden by the licensing$ > agreements, but I am not a lawyer.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2001 02:54:36 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations- Message-ID: <873d9uk26r.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> writes:   @ > Yeah, that's it... turn a world class server/OS system in to a > Nintendo box.   C Do you mean the world class server/OS can't match a Nintendo? Seems ' to be a very small class if that is so.   . > > The other must is a good browser... Again!  = > I tend to think client/server..  browser..use a PC , need a D > Web/database/application server use an Alpha.  Same thing goes forD > "personal productivity" stuff.  Hey, you can get 2100's real cheap? > (<$1000) if you look.  I have 2. it will make a great WEB/APP  > server...   E Real world, billytel 2, VMS nill. Best way to lose I know of. All the $ pain, and a dead end in a few years.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:20:25 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations' Message-ID: <3B0D6D09.4B51E89E@fsi.net>    Bill Pedersen wrote: > , > Well, actually, there is another approach. > L > The developer company should sign up for the Compaq Solutions Alliance andL > then subscribe to the SDK service.  This includes licenses for MOST of theL > software for IN HOUSE DEVELOPMENT.  This is one of the benefits of workingN > with Compaq as well as DIGITAL, before, so as to encourage participation and1 > development of software for their environments.  > K > The hurdles to cross to be in the CSA program are minimal, they just want L > you to have a plan to develop a product or service which is complimentary.1 > The costs are minimal, less than $2,000 / year.  > K > If a company is looking to get into the OpenVMS arena with an application H > or service this is the way to go.  Costs of licensing should not be an > issue.  G ...which, of course, leaves open the question of affordable OpenVMS and H capable systems for the end user who cannot avail themselves of any such discounted pricing.   F If no one can afford the platform for your app., why develop it? Who's
 gonna buy it?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:14:00 -0500 . From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations. Message-ID: <3B0D6B88.3592EDD0@pressenter.com>  
 D.Webb wrote:    > No. O > You don't build a $1K VMS workstation you build a $1K Alpha box which can run  > VMS and LINUX !! > ? > Your mass market is a 64 bit LINUX box with better compilers. @ > The competition between Windows and Linux is already occuring.I > Compaq needs to have a competitively priced Alpha box for running Linux P > otherwise Linux will eventually end up running 99.9999 % of the time on Intel.Q > Compaq must not repeat the same old Digital mistakes and think that because the P > Alpha chip is 64bit and has better floating point performance that Linux Alpha* > workstations can be priced at a premium. > O > If Compaq produces such a box then it makes sense to also let it run VMS (and 	 > Tru64).  >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University    F If Compaq builds any type of computer in the $1K range... It *WILL* beB compared to $1K Wintel platforms... That is inevitable. One of theD battles Linux is battling is trying to convince people to spend moreB money above and beyond what they paid for the hardware for the OS.  D Why spend $1K on a bare system, when you can spend the same $1K on a9 Wintel platform, and get a completely operating computer?   @ I'm not trying to be difficult, just playing the role of devil's advocate....         Lyndon --  G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my 	 employer.     H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 01:56:33 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations< Message-ID: <lZiP6.3770$zl5.1421346@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   > F > Why spend $1K on a bare system, when you can spend the same $1K on a; > Wintel platform, and get a completely operating computer?   ; Reliability, stability, and security might be good reasons.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:03:57 -0500 . From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations. Message-ID: <3B0D773D.52E4D1C9@pressenter.com>   Christopher Smith wrote: > K > Well, as I first started reading this, my thought was that this is likely J > the most well thought-out argument against the affordable VMS thing I'veI > heard.  My next thought was that on reading further, it isn't really an J > argument against it.  I do, nonetheless, have a couple of counterpoints. >  > > -----Original Message-----9 > > From: Lyndon Bartels [mailto:lbartels@pressenter.com]  > ; > > But I don't think Compaq would be wise to try to build,  > > market, and sell	 > > a $1K & > > VMS workstation... And here's why. > >  > > A > > First, If such a workstation were to be produced, it would be 
 > > competing H > > head-to-head with the WinTel platform....  Now, any businessman will >  > [snip] > I > > EVERYTHING that the average WinTel workstation can currently do. Wordk? > > processing, Spreadsheets, surfing, etc. It would have to doe > > these thingsF > > faster, more reliably, more efficiently than the current platform. > > PLUS....  in > L > I believe the "faster, more reliably, more efficiently" would be intrinsic > in a VMS workstation.l    D That's true, but those qualities, may not be readily apparent to theA average person browsing amongst the computers at the big computer-E stores.... It has to be something flashy and exciting. "Reliability" pE and "efficiency" have never been a great nail upon which to hang yourg marketing hat...     >  > [snip] > @ > > etc.) And finally there'll be the argument. "I've got all my > > stuff on my 	 > > PC! IC? > > can't switch." To answer that question, there would have to  > > be migration	 > > toolsS* > > so that people can move their data.... > < > Ahh yes. :)  Migration tools may not be difficult, though. >  > [snip] > B > > Is all of this possible? Dern tootin! Technically all of these > > requirements areI > > possible. BUT, it would take a huge, long-term commitment on Compaq'so > > part tol: > > invest in hardware designers, software developers, and > > marketing to get > > thisG > > all ramped up and ready to go... This would all take time. A LOT of  > > time. A LOTo > > of money...i > I > Are you saying that it would be bad for Compaq to have a huge long-termd' > commitment to the VMS/Alpha platform?e >   E No, I'm not saying it would be bad for Compaq make such a commitment,KE I'm just saying that this is something Compaq would have make if theyi< were to have a chance at succeeding in this market place....      & > > Finally, what gain would there be? > > > > You're entering into a market where the profit margins are > > narrower thenm > > the H > > microns measuring the latest chip technology. Compaq is feeling that
 > > crunchH > > right now on their current market. And we're hoping to persuade them > > make@ > > things possibly worse by introducing another competitor into > > that market:	 > > placerH > > to compete not only against the DELLs and GATEWAYs of the world, but > > againste. > > their own Intel hardware! Extremely risky. > M > What does Compaq have to lose by competing against their own Intel hardwarel9 > again?  They make the profits from the sale either way.u > L > At any rate, that's assuming that they're competing with the Intel market,M > which they're not unless you can play unreal on them. :)  What about Apple? M > They manage to keep a large chunk of marketshare producing something that'siJ > fundamentally incompatible with the common peesee trash.  That must showB > that there are people who don't mind the pc compatibility thing. >  > [snip] >   F Why would it be bad to compete against one self? Spreading oneself tooA thin. Once you've got a good market share someplace, then you can H expand. But when trying to break into it, it's better to have a specific: target audience, and specific product to answer that need.  C Any computer, in the same price point as an Wintel platform will be,A compared to that Wintel platform. We may not consider it, but thef$ average customer will... Gaurenteed.        J > > many of us here..... But what about the average Joe? I don't think so.
 > > To getG > > that average citizen out there to think about buying the $1K alpha,i
 > > CompaqA > > would have to advertise, advertise, advertise. They'd have toE
 > > commit toiE > > continued advancement of the hardware and software for many, many  > > months,o > L > Again, you seem to be saying that a commitment from Compaq would be bad -- > am I missing something?i >    Not bad... necessary...   C It'd have to be a enormous, long-term commitment, and Compaq hasn'twE demonstrated the willingness to make that kind commitment to Alpha...r (sigh)    G > AMD probably is a bad metaphor here.  I think more along the lines of M > Apple/Motorola, as above.  You must admit that for some reason, more people L > want to pay a premium to buy their (not very compatible) stuff from Apple.A > There may be something in that; I only wish I knew what it was.o >       G AMD is finally being accepted as a viable alternative to Intel.... BothoB because the hardware is comparable (even better) but also, they've6 proven that they're going to "be around for a while."       < > > Look how long it has taken Linux to work itself into the > > public mind. Ifi > > you J > > go down to your neighborhood Best Buy, Comp USA, Circuit City, or what > > ever youH > > have near you... How many pieces of sofware are out there for Linux? > I > Do you really want me to count them?  No, you can't get many at CircuitmN > City, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist.  After all -- think AppleN > again, and tell me how many bits of Macintosh software you can get at one of0 > those places?  Note Apple's marketshare again. >   G That's exactly my point... You "Can't" get these things at your average-
 store....   E If a $1K alpha were to have a chance at succeeding in the market, thesD software that people want would have to be  readily available. Right& now, that's what Linux is battling...   B We live in what I like to call, a "McDonald's Society". People areF willing to Pay More, Get less, if they can get it quicker. If you makeD people have to go through hoops and loops to get software, hardware,< hamburgers,... anything, they'll take their money elsewhere. s   > > You'd haveB > > to expect the same type of uphill struggle for any Alpha based > > workstation. > K > Well, yes, if the Alpha workstation didn't already have an OS (or three),iK > and some (not all that's needed, but some) decent software, I'd agree. :)r >  > [snip] >   E The Alpha does have Operating Systems... That's true, But OSes aren't F the entire answer... There are lot's of companies out there developingG layered products for the Wintel platform. And there are many developingC) for Macintosh.. Compare that to Alpha... u     > F > It seems that you're arguing for Compaq not to attempt to make theirH > platform into a home peesee type machine with a pointy-clicky boneheadL > interface, office apps, stupid users, etc.  You'll get no argument from meL > on that.  Compaq should simply make their platform affordable, and let theK > users decide what to do from there.  I would be more than happy with thato > step.  >   G That's precisely what I'm arguing... I think first, Compaq should build.F a $2K workstation... Get that out there. Get the tools/applications upH to snuff, then, once they've ramped up to that degree, then slowly slideH further down into the home PC arena. If you build trying to get into theH $1K arena, without the necessary support of these developers... It'll be you against the world.  E The key first step is to make the necessary applications available sosD that $2K workstation can co-exist in an environment that's populatedF with Wintel platforms... That's really important... The average personF in my office area looks at me a bit askew because I have two machines.E My 500au, and my Wintel. I have to use the Wintel to communicate with-B the other people. And I use the 500au for working with my servers.  E Bottom line, the Billy Boxes are out there, and if I could do all thetH "basic" office kind of work with my 500au, I wouldn't need my Billy Box.H Once I've managed that, then I could see the alpha platform making theirI way onto the desks of the help-desk, and the network engineers... etc...    = It's a pretty tough sell to TPTB (The People That Buy) that atD Workstation is necessary in addition to, a Billy Box. Wouldn't it beD easier to be able to say "Instead of spending $1K for the Billy Box,D Spend $2K for this AXP machine, and do more.." As opposed to. "Let'sH spend $3K for both these machines. Use one for some stuff, and the other
 for other..."   ; Once these Alphas are out there, doing good work, at a more D "professional" price range, people will start seeing them, and startF demanding more applications... The AutoCAD Lite's. The Photoshops. TheF Games... Then, people will start porting software to alpha... And thatC will be good. Then Compaq can look into moving into a $1K arena...         Lyndon     -- dG My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of myV	 employer.i    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:28:54 -0500 . From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations. Message-ID: <3B0D7D16.4DCEC0CE@pressenter.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > 3 > O.k. I see where I need to make this point again:p > H > The focus of "Affordable OpenVMS" has less to do with desktops than itJ > has to do with "servers", believe it or not. The idea of "affordability"A > has to do with getting OpenVMS systems past the "bean counters" : > (including the wife! ...but not limited to her, either). >   = When the discussion is bandying about a $1K price point, thenn5 comparisons to Billyboxes, inevitably will be made...o  H "Low-end" and "Entry Level" servers, is another story. And I agree, it'dC be nice to have these types of machines as well.... This is kind of B tough, because often low-end are also have a specific mission. WebF server, mail server, etc.  The hardware would be less of an issue thenG the software... Compaq can easily build $3K - $5K machines that comparenD to the $3K - $5K Intel servers. But the apps need to be there. TheseD apps need to be able to communicate with the Wintel boxes people are using on their desks...   D This is why I think aquiring Novell might be a good idea... By beingF able to migrate up from high-end Intel based servers, to low-range andC mid-range alpha servers... I can see where a growing business wouldr	 benefit. o     Lyndon i     -- nG My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of myi	 employer.     H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:40:43 -0500e. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations. Message-ID: <3B0D7FDB.245FC185@pressenter.com>   Terry C. Shannon wrote:d >  > >dH > > Why spend $1K on a bare system, when you can spend the same $1K on a= > > Wintel platform, and get a completely operating computer?t > = > Reliability, stability, and security might be good reasons.n  D They're great reasons... For you, me, and most of the people reading this newsgroup...   G But alas, they're not the greatest things a advertising agency wants tod& build an ad campaign around.... (sigh)         -- c  G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of mya	 employer.d    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:09:08 +0200o, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>1 Subject: Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS?B& Message-ID: <3B0D6A64.D51B5699@gmx.ch>   Warren Spencer wrote:  > 1 > Uhmm, how come they both lead to the same page?h   Easy.tG A clever guy has registered all names he can invent and is just waitingv7 for a poor customer to buy one of these from him (her?)    D. -- n Compaq Computer (Schweiz) GmbH! berlandstrasse 1, 8600 Dbendorfv GSM: +41 79 7054670    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:10:07 +0200m, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>1 Subject: Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS?i& Message-ID: <3B0D6AA0.A3B199E4@gmx.ch>   Arne Vajhj wrote: >  > System@Manager.com wrote: = > > Is there a product similar to Altavista/PC to build a VMS B > > documents database that could be searched by keywords, please? > $ > WWWINDEX can do something similar. > = > (I also have an interesting concept available for download)- >  > Arne  " Where is WWWINDEX available, Arne?   D. -- a Compaq Computer (Schweiz) GmbH! berlandstrasse 1, 8600 Dbendorfs GSM: +41 79 7054670@   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:18:44 -0400e  From: jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil1 Subject: Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS?r0 Message-ID: <01052416184489@beast.dtsw.army.mil>  M Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> wrote in <3B0D6AA0.A3B199E4@gmx.ch> ona  Thu, 24 May 2001 22:10:07 +0200:   > Arne Vajhxj wrote: > >  > > System@Manager.com wrote:a? > > > Is there a product similar to Altavista/PC to build a VMSfD > > > documents database that could be searched by keywords, please? > > & > > WWWINDEX can do something similar. > > ? > > (I also have an interesting concept available for download)t > >  > > Arne > $ > Where is WWWINDEX available, Arne?  F If it's the same as WWWVMSINDEX, after my .sig is a c.o.v. letter from 16-JUN-1996.  : Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com5 TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919-; 2024 West Street, Suite 300              800-810-0827 x1919M5 Annapolis, MD 21401-3556           fax   410-280-1094>  3 From:	SMTP%"ARNE@ko.hhs.dk" 16-JUN-1996 11:34:05.796	 To:	JAMES2 Subj:	Re: Alta Vista  J > Any ideas as to what most people use on their VMS HTTP Servers as search > engines and indexers.l" > ie are there any VMS versions of > K > WAIS, GLIMPSE or SWISH servers or any other servers and clients which cani( > be used to index a VMS based Web site.  . WWWVMSINDEX by Foteos Macrides & Bruce Tanner.  , gopher://gopher.wfbr.edu/11/_fileserv/_httpd  C (or ftp://ftp.hhs.dk/fote_mirror/ if you prefer something from thise side of the atlantic)e>                                                           Arne  A Arne Vajhxj                             local DECNET:  KOPC::ARNECO Computer Department                     PSI:           PSI%23831001354030::ARNE E Southern Denmark Business School        Internet:      ARNE@KO.HHS.DKe:                 WWW URL: http://www.hhs.dk/~arne/arne.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:53:31 +0200r, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>1 Subject: Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS? % Message-ID: <3B0D74CC.7F77583@gmx.ch>-  ! jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil wrote:  >  > . > gopher://gopher.wfbr.edu/11/_fileserv/_httpd   This url doesn't answer.4 (and now I'm busy trying Hoff's solution with SWISH)   D. --  B Compaq Computer (Schweiz) GmbH, Ueberlandstrasse 1, 8600 Dubendorf<      All opinions expressed are my own and not my employer's   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:19:06 +0100e- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>b Subject: Re: Backup to CD?1 Message-ID: <3B0D428A.EECEBCF9@BlueBubble.UK.Com>a   "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > / > Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:tI > > Well, you can get 180GB in a drive now, and IBM have just shipped thebI > > first drive using a new media that trebles the storge density limits. / > > So expect to see ~500GB drives by year end.c > F > > If small SW cab is a HS with one backplane, that's about 20TB. The3 > > semi load of tape is beginning to look worried.C > J > I saw a 180GB drive for the first time when I was down at Fry's buying aI > new CD-R drive (they're the only place in town with a selection of SCSI L > devices anymore).  All I could do was cringe when I saw that drive, and itM > wasn't the pricetag either, it was the thought of how many tapes it'll takei > to back one of those up!  F Zane, disk technology is definitely mind-boggling these days, but tapeG technology is not exactly standing still either.  SDLT is the next stepiI up in the DLT world (does 220 Gbytes per cartridge sound attractive ? :-)t  G Check out : http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/sdlt/index.html ! No idea what the price is though.   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 01:01:47 GMTo2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: Backup to CD?2 Message-ID: <%9iP6.83$k3.5256@typhoon.aracnet.com>  . Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@bluebubble.uk.com> wrote:H > Zane, disk technology is definitely mind-boggling these days, but tapeI > technology is not exactly standing still either.  SDLT is the next stepfK > up in the DLT world (does 220 Gbytes per cartridge sound attractive ? :-)m  I > Check out : http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/sdlt/index.html # > No idea what the price is though.c  L The price is very expensive.  Plus when you're talking about a site that hasF litterally Millions (yes, US $$$'s) invested in DLT IV's their idea ofJ "Investment Protection" leaves something to be desired.  Sure we'd be ableI to read our DLT IV's, but we couldn't *write* to them.  Plus last I heardgG (last week) there is still problems with *reading* DLT IV's.  Also that L 220GB capacity assumes 2-1 compression.  In reality I'd guess you might get K anywhere from 110-400GB (we've seen ~120GB on a Compact IV tape written in a: a DLT7000 drive) it all depends on what you're backing up.  J Sure there is some interesting tape technology coming around the bend, theN problem is the cost.  Something like the SDLT seems to me to be most targeted  at either small or new sites.s   			Zaneo   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2001 19:47 CDT'' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)d Subject: Re: Backup to CD?- Message-ID: <24MAY200119473468@gerg.tamu.edu>   6 "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes.... }Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:H }> Well, you can get 180GB in a drive now, and IBM have just shipped theH }> first drive using a new media that trebles the storge density limits.. }> So expect to see ~500GB drives by year end. } E }> If small SW cab is a HS with one backplane, that's about 20TB. Thee2 }> semi load of tape is beginning to look worried. } I }I saw a 180GB drive for the first time when I was down at Fry's buying aoH }new CD-R drive (they're the only place in town with a selection of SCSIK }devices anymore).  All I could do was cringe when I saw that drive, and itnL }wasn't the pricetag either, it was the thought of how many tapes it'll take }to back one of those up!l } M }The best use I can think of for disks that big is to put a pair on a system,oM }shadow them, and either use the drive for archival data or online backups ofe! }other more sensibly sized disks!r } K }It's pretty much reaching the point where the home user won't even be ableIM }to afford to back their systems up.  Shoot, I don't even want to think about 3 }how many DLT IV's we go through in a week at work!  } 	 }				Zanem  D The number of tapes is one. Probably. At least, it is if you get oneD of the new SDLT drives which can pack 110/220 GB on a tape. They areC also rated at 11 MB/sec transfer rate - I don't know if that is thenG native rate or the rate you get with the compression at an assumed 2:1,eI but I would hope that it is the native rate so with compression it shouldeG go up to 22 MB/sec. (At 11 MB/sec it would take a smidge over 4.5 hoursrH to do a backup of 180GB without a verification pass and without countingE a backup date recording pass either. At 22MB/sec it would, of course,c take only half that long.)   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:25:57 -0400n+ From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org>f Subject: Re: Backup to CD?# Message-ID: <sb0d7c75.086@aaas.org>r  J We have a SAN here with (9) 50GB drives, (7) 75GB drives, and (11) 180GB =G drives on the way. We were backing it up with (2) DLT IV's. With both =pK drives we were getting about 1GB an hour with a max capacity of 140GB. We =oK just replaced those with (2) Mammoth changers for about 3.2GB per pack of =nG carts, and we're getting about 400MB/second throughput. We've stopped =oK taking differentials and we're doing full backups everynight. Despite our =a7 investment in DLT IV, we felt this was a better choice.t  J The Alphas you ask? (3) 18GB drives, probably a total of 6GB of data. It =! goes off to DDS-3 every night.=20r  F >>> Carl Perkins <carl@gergl1.gerg.tamu.edu> 05/24/2001 8:47:00 PM >>>6 "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes.... }Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:H }> Well, you can get 180GB in a drive now, and IBM have just shipped theH }> first drive using a new media that trebles the storge density limits.. }> So expect to see ~500GB drives by year end. }=20E }> If small SW cab is a HS with one backplane, that's about 20TB. Thet2 }> semi load of tape is beginning to look worried. }=20I }I saw a 180GB drive for the first time when I was down at Fry's buying aIH }new CD-R drive (they're the only place in town with a selection of SCSIJ }devices anymore).  All I could do was cringe when I saw that drive, and = itI }wasn't the pricetag either, it was the thought of how many tapes it'll =  take }to back one of those up!y }=20G }The best use I can think of for disks that big is to put a pair on a =i system,lL }shadow them, and either use the drive for archival data or online backups = of! }other more sensibly sized disks!  }=20H }It's pretty much reaching the point where the home user won't even be = ableI }to afford to back their systems up.  Shoot, I don't even want to think =  aboute3 }how many DLT IV's we go through in a week at work!. }=20	 }				Zane'  D The number of tapes is one. Probably. At least, it is if you get oneD of the new SDLT drives which can pack 110/220 GB on a tape. They areC also rated at 11 MB/sec transfer rate - I don't know if that is thepG native rate or the rate you get with the compression at an assumed 2:1, I but I would hope that it is the native rate so with compression it shouldlG go up to 22 MB/sec. (At 11 MB/sec it would take a smidge over 4.5 hours H to do a backup of 180GB without a verification pass and without countingE a backup date recording pass either. At 22MB/sec it would, of course,i take only half that long.)   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:37:37 -0500t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>c Subject: Re: Backup to CD?' Message-ID: <3B0DC571.190EBCA9@fsi.net>t   John Eisenschmidt wrote: > > We have a SAN here with (9) 50GB drives, (7) 75GB drives, and (11) 180GB drives on the way. We were backing it up with (2) DLT IV's. With both drives we were getting about 1GB an hour with a max capacity of 140GB. We just replaced those with (2) Mammoth changers for about 3.2GB per pack of carts, and we're getting about 400MB/second throughput. We've stopped taking differentials and we're doing full backups everynight. Despite our investment in DLT IV, we felt this was a better choice. > i > The Alphas you ask? (3) 18GB drives, probably a total of 6GB of data. It goes off to DDS-3 every night., > H > >>> Carl Perkins <carl@gergl1.gerg.tamu.edu> 05/24/2001 8:47:00 PM >>>8 > "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes...0 > }Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:J > }> Well, you can get 180GB in a drive now, and IBM have just shipped theJ > }> first drive using a new media that trebles the storge density limits.0 > }> So expect to see ~500GB drives by year end. > }vG > }> If small SW cab is a HS with one backplane, that's about 20TB. Theo4 > }> semi load of tape is beginning to look worried. > }eK > }I saw a 180GB drive for the first time when I was down at Fry's buying ahJ > }new CD-R drive (they're the only place in town with a selection of SCSIM > }devices anymore).  All I could do was cringe when I saw that drive, and it N > }wasn't the pricetag either, it was the thought of how many tapes it'll take > }to back one of those up!p > },O > }The best use I can think of for disks that big is to put a pair on a system,eO > }shadow them, and either use the drive for archival data or online backups ofl# > }other more sensibly sized disks!" > }aM > }It's pretty much reaching the point where the home user won't even be ablerO > }to afford to back their systems up.  Shoot, I don't even want to think aboutt5 > }how many DLT IV's we go through in a week at work!  > }u& > }                               Zane > F > The number of tapes is one. Probably. At least, it is if you get oneF > of the new SDLT drives which can pack 110/220 GB on a tape. They areE > also rated at 11 MB/sec transfer rate - I don't know if that is the I > native rate or the rate you get with the compression at an assumed 2:1, K > but I would hope that it is the native rate so with compression it shouldfI > go up to 22 MB/sec. (At 11 MB/sec it would take a smidge over 4.5 hours J > to do a backup of 180GB without a verification pass and without countingG > a backup date recording pass either. At 22MB/sec it would, of course,e > take only half that long.)  B Careful, there! Remember: compression in this case is local to theG drive! So, that 11MB/sec remains 11MB/sec, regardless of compression orn not.  ) Now - if there was some way to pipe this:"  4 BACKUP/IMAGE -> {,G,B}ZIP -> (magtape by some magic)  F Of course, that would make the verification pass somewhat challenging!  F Wonder if there's a way to add the ZIP API to VMS BACKUP ... and couldC we convince Andy Goldstein's boss(es) to let him have a go at it...t   -- u David J. Dachterab dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.n   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2001 22:18 CDTI' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)r Subject: Re: Backup to CD?- Message-ID: <24MAY200122184356@gerg.tamu.edu>a  5 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes...iG }> The number of tapes is one. Probably. At least, it is if you get oneeG }> of the new SDLT drives which can pack 110/220 GB on a tape. They arenF }> also rated at 11 MB/sec transfer rate - I don't know if that is theJ }> native rate or the rate you get with the compression at an assumed 2:1,L }> but I would hope that it is the native rate so with compression it shouldJ }> go up to 22 MB/sec. (At 11 MB/sec it would take a smidge over 4.5 hoursK }> to do a backup of 180GB without a verification pass and without countingsH }> a backup date recording pass either. At 22MB/sec it would, of course, }> take only half that long.)> } C }Careful, there! Remember: compression in this case is local to themH }drive! So, that 11MB/sec remains 11MB/sec, regardless of compression or }not.  }David J. Dachtera  E That should not be the case. The tape should always move by the headshD at the same speed writing the same number of bits on any given pieceE of tape (barring data starvation from upstream locations), but in thesC compressed case those bits are the post-compression bits so you get E more real data on the same amount of tape. Thus you should get doubles7 the data transfer rate if you get 2:1 data compression.n  C The limiting factor ought to be the write speed to the media. It isb@ compressed before it hits the media. Thus the compression factorB affects the data transfer rate. Or, at least, it should. I supposeD they could have designed it to slow down the tape as the compressionD ratio increases to keep the transfer speed constant - but that would4 be stupid. (Which doesn't mean they didn't do it...)   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2001 11:54:57 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Backup to CD?- Message-ID: <874ruagk1a.fsf@prep.synonet.com>1  3 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:   + > Now - if there was some way to pipe this:M  6 > BACKUP/IMAGE -> {,G,B}ZIP -> (magtape by some magic)  ; > Of course, that would make the verification pass somewhat> > challenging!  B > Wonder if there's a way to add the ZIP API to VMS BACKUP ... andE > could we convince Andy Goldstein's boss(es) to let him have a go ate > it...    hint (maybe)
 /ENCRYPT=BZIPI   -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.N@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:34:47 +02000, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>+ Subject: Re: DCL: Product show History   !!A& Message-ID: <3B0D7067.B29B2FAE@gmx.ch>   Charlie Hammond wrote: >  ../..t  % You took it out of my mouth, Charlie!  (French expression)u   :-)l   D. -- iB Compaq Computer (Schweiz) GmbH, Ueberlandstrasse 1, 8600 Dubendorf<      All opinions expressed are my own and not my employer's   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:15:36 +0200o, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>H Subject: Re: DNS questions 1:M host_name:host_address (address ordering)& Message-ID: <3B0D6BE8.8BD03B3F@gmx.ch>   Richard Maher wrote: >  > Hi,e > G > Sorry if you've already seen this, but I can see my original post via4L > outlook but not google. It might be the attachment or it might be replyingL > to my own note (with an example) but if there's anyone here that knows DNS! > I'd really appreciate the help!    Richard,  @ If you wish a reply, maybe you should ask your pal to write easyH questions instead of a summary of the differences between his experience and the O'Reilly book.  H I attended the Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS training recently andD still have my notes and other resources under the hand, but I didn't, succeed to understant what was the question.  + Why is this gentleman bothering with sorts?p   D. -- h Compaq Computer (Schweiz) GmbH! berlandstrasse 1, 8600 Dbendorf  GSM: +41 79 7054670    ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2001 03:31:31 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: DSSI problem2- Message-ID: <87y9rmilws.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   . "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com> writes:  F > I had a similar problem at a client site once with a 4300 and 4106A.F > The problem was that the 4106A's DSSI bus was internally terminated,E > and so the second external connector for that bus couldn't be used.rB > The solution was to open up the 4106A and remove the termination > resistors.  # > So, check your terminators packs.e  B Think you may have it, but there are no places on the CPU board orH front panel for terminaters. Do I need a pair of Y blocks? It seems odd,C the second DSSI *must* be an end, it has only one connector. So not  terminating it seems odd.y  + Anyone have a 4000-400 or 4000-700A manual?   E BTW, any one know what the jumpers on the front pannel biard are for?K   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.p@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:43:36 +0100a5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com>o Subject: RE: DSSI problem N Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116D5B2@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>  H I have a V4000-600 and V4000-500 cluster.  With these you have the frontL control panel with 2 DSSI connectors, there is no termination as this is midJ bus, however the DSSI port on the LHS of the cab is terminated on the backJ of the control panel and is a fuse (may be behind cardboard bit or circuitF board).  This can blow and the only way to tell is errors on boot e.g.
 65..64....   Which jumpers?   Regards, 	Olivert     -----Original Message-----3 From: Paul Repacholi [mailto:prep@prep.synonet.com]s$ Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:32 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: DSSI problem     . "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com> writes:  F > I had a similar problem at a client site once with a 4300 and 4106A.F > The problem was that the 4106A's DSSI bus was internally terminated,E > and so the second external connector for that bus couldn't be used. B > The solution was to open up the 4106A and remove the termination > resistors.  # > So, check your terminators packs.T  B Think you may have it, but there are no places on the CPU board orH front panel for terminaters. Do I need a pair of Y blocks? It seems odd,C the second DSSI *must* be an end, it has only one connector. So not  terminating it seems odd.v  + Anyone have a 4000-400 or 4000-700A manual?h  E BTW, any one know what the jumpers on the front pannel biard are for?f   -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2001 00:00:02 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)rH Subject: Expanding VMS filesystems (Was: Re: The Internet, Tru64 , etc.)3 Message-ID: <SodURTKv6TbX@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  R In article <9ejmj8$t8e$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes: > / > "Paul Sture" <paul@sture.ch> wrote in message(' > news:VA.000003a2.771d6e9a@sture.ch...?D >> In article <3B0BD301.D02EFD8F@uk.sun.com>, Andrew harrison wrote: >  > ...l > B >> > I am refering to the ability to take say a filesystem mountedH >> > on a logical volume that is for example one whole disk, add anotherA >> > disk to the logical volume to make the logical volume largerl< >> > and then to make the filesystem grow into the new space+ >> > without taking the filesystem offline.t >> >K >> As David pointed out, this ability has been there in VMS "since forever"s > M > And as I pointed out, it hasn't:  Andrew's example above is pretty close torK > what VMS provides, but doesn't begin to cover the flexibility that VMS ise
 > missing. > I > It's hard to understand how a bunch of otherwise apparently intelligenti' > people can be so blind on this issue.  >   < 	Bill... it's called:  "talking past each other".  Yes, I am4 	guilty of that more times than I care to admit. :-)  G > If concatenated volume sets were so great, why did VMS even bother to L > support striping?  The answer is that the latter distributes load far moreJ > effectively than the former in most cases - leaving aside the redundancyD > features that RAID offers and concatenation does not (at least forC > parity-based redundancy - I suppose you might be able to create ao+ > concatenated set out of mirrored drives).  > M > The ability to expand a RAID (and the file system living on it) in a manner G > that preserves the performance and redundancy benefits of striping iseM > significantly superior to the ability to add a volume to a VMS-style volumet > set. >   = 	"Expanding RAID superior to adding bound volume set member."1   	Yes it is.d  ? 	I believe the way out of all this is when shadowing dissimilareE 	devices capability ships.  The idea would be to add a shadow member e, 	that has an LBN count >= current LBN count.   	So a quick example would be:   F 	Assumption:  You are using modern controllers for VMS based solution.  < 		1)  You currently are shadowing 3 - 36 Gigabyte 15K drives= 		but are seeing increased queue lengths.  You could make one  		a controller based mirror.  D 	Instead, because of rapid growth and load coming you decide to makeC 	one of the shadow members a RAID 0+1 at the controller level using G 	4 36 Gig drives with the intention of cutting the other shadow membersmB 	over in due time.  You double the number of LBNs on *one* shadow B 	member but VMS won't scribble on those until *all* shadow membersG 	have that many LBNs.  So maybe after a few months all 3 shadow membersiH 	have the same LBN count.  You decided making all 3 members RAID 0+1 was@ 	overkill so the other 2 shadow members are just 2 member RAID0sB 	of 36 gig drives.  Now you grow past 36 Gigs with your DB that isC 	on those drives.  This is how I interpret how shadowing dissimilar> 	disks will work.e  E 	Likewise, you could do the same with a host based RAID 0+1.  You mayrC 	have a stripe member on each controller, 4 total where each striped> 	is triple shadowed.  Expand those shadows in similar fashion.  F 	Add a stripe to a DPA on the fly?  That may not happen.  So when you E 	create that DPA maybe it would be best to create extra stripes such oH 	that if a year or two down the line if you add more controllers to yourF 	cluster, you migrate those "extra" stripes over to the new controller 	pairs.i   				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 04:44:14 GMT=. From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com>. Subject: Re: How to script FTP without /INPUT?< Message-ID: <yqlP6.69691$I5.14759593@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>   2 options for you:  L $ Copy /ftp /ascii blablabla.txt remote_host"johndoe password"::"/data_dump"   or   $ send = "write sys$output"rA $ Pipe (send "cd \data_dump" ; send "set type ascii" ; send "mputtC blablabla.txt" ; send "bye" ) | ftp remote_host /username="johndoe"s /password="password"   Aaron  --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html> Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org/9 "The power of imagination makes us infinite." (John Muir)s  @ Netsurfer <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com> wrote in message2 news:bcsogtckmdu0dmtmhgt7475t3vspqgk319@4ax.com... > I am using OpenVMS 7.1.e >iF > Presently I am writing script to FTP files to our remote UNIX server > using FTP scripts. >e > MY_FTP.COM > ========== >B* > $ FTP remote_host /USERNAME="johndoe"  -* >                   /PASSWORD="password" -5 >                   /INPUT=SYS$MANAGER:FTP_SCRIPT.TXTd >  > SYS$MANAGER:FTP_SCRIPT.TXT > ========================== >o > CD \data_dumpg > SET TYPE ASCII > MPUT blablabla.txt > BYE- >  >eE > Is there a way to simply all the above into within the batch scripto > without script files?R >B+ > Is there a UNIX .netrc clone for OpenVMS?fC > Or the scripting using ">>EOF" syntax which is valid for UNIX FTP9 > scripting??? >7 > TIA. >  >  >)
 > Regards, >n > Netsurferw >  >k > ====K > For any personal email replies, please remove " sentosa. " from my E-maila address.   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2001 19:07 CDTr' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 9 Subject: Re: How to store results of Command in a symbol? - Message-ID: <24MAY200119071275@gerg.tamu.edu>y  , Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> writes...; }No such construct exists in VMS.  The closest VMS gets is:B6 }$ PIPE SHOW SYSTEM  |  SEARCH SYS$INPUT "SWAPPER" | -9 }   (READ SYS$INPUT LINEVAR  ;  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT LINEVAR)e }  }HMd   Try   5 $ PIPE SHOW SYSTEM  |  SEARCH SYS$INPUT "SWAPPER" | -r;    (READ SYS$INPUT LINEVAR  ;  DEFINE/JOB LINEVAR &LINEVAR)m  = which will leave a logical name in the job logical name tablev= called LINEVAR holding the information. (Via the magic of theb ampersand operator.)  B Using data from logical names is only slightly more difficult thanA using data from symbols. You can get at the contents of the aboveo logical viao  % $ foo = F$TrnLnm("linevar","LNM$JOB")   C (The second argument to the F$TRNLNM lexical makes sure you get thes@ right logical name, in case there is one of the same name in the process logical name table.)   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:35:46 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)e( Subject: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname0 Message-ID: <009FC7F8.0BE18C2C@SendSpamHere.ORG>  L A few weeks ago I purchased a kit for a large wooden backyard swing and playL fort.  A nice kit and it assembled very nicely.  One piece -- a re-enforcingK gusset plate -- was missing and I've been dealing with trying to obtain one M from the company.  I've called several times -- and again just moments ago -- L and their computer crashes when they enter my name.  It happened again todayL when trying to find out if my request has yet been processed.  This woman onM the phone told me they are Q PeeCees running Weendoze 2000.  Is it any wonderaL I've been waiting for two+ weeks for a simple replacement part?  Today, thisM woman filled out a paper-and-pencil request for the part to have it expressed1K to me.  Let's see if that happens.  If it does, the trusted old pad and penl are superior to M$.s  K If the length of my last name is too much data for a W2K system to process,8L I'd have to conclude that VMS, unix, et al, have nothing to fear in the real enterprise processing realm.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo            eO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:49:07 -0500E1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>s, Subject: Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname' Message-ID: <3B0DC823.EC3D8AC4@fsi.net>a  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > [snip]M > If the length of my last name is too much data for a W2K system to process,iN > I'd have to conclude that VMS, unix, et al, have nothing to fear in the real > enterprise processing realm.  : Lessee now: "Schenkenberger", that's 14 characters, right?  G Back in '86, I had an operator who was Tai. His name (are you ready for F this?): Wanchai Damrongsantipitak (surname = 17 char). I'm sure others< know of longer names, still. We called him "Tom", for short.  H I'd hate to have to grid that on the answer sheet of a standardized test
 or something!D  A I almost feel short-changed - I only have an 8 character surname!C   -- s David J. Dachtera2 dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 23:37:06 -0400/- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>4, Subject: Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname- Message-ID: <3B0DD361.13F8CB43@bellsouth.net>b  A Also slightly OT... can you find what I found to be so funny/sad:>   --- Original Message ---% From:    michaelaustininc@hotmail.comsF To:      "Microsoft Passport Support" <passport@css.one.microsoft.com>% Sent:    Thu May 24 08:57:13 PDT 2001n Subject: Passport Feedback  L Comments : I cannot locate the address to complain about HOTMAIL service.  IM have not been able to send an email from hotmail consistently in over a week.d7 The browser always timesout before the message is sent.p   Thanks, E ================<<Their Response >>==================================      Hello michaelaustininc,   , Thank you for writing to Microsoft Passport.  M I am sorry, but we cannot investigate the account you wrote about without theeL Passport sign-in name. Please resend the original question to us, along with this information.   O Your sign-in name is the first part of your Hotmail address (the part precedingdN the @ symbol). If you have forgotten your sign-in name, try contacting someoneN to whom you have sent an e-mail message to see if he or she knows your Hotmail address.  M Unfortunately, you cannot change the sign-in name on your current account. If P you cannot obtain your Hotmail sign-in name, you must register for a new account and create a new sign-in name.  # I apologize for this inconvenience.o  K Microsoft Passport has comprehensive online help available to you. For moreKP information on Passport features, functions, and issues, click the "Help" button) on the horizontal navigation bar or go ton  :     http://memberservices.passport.com/UI/MSRV_UI_Help.asp  & Thank you for using Microsoft Passport  
 Sincerely,( <<<name removed to protect the moron>>>l2 Microsoft Passport Customer Support Representative   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2001 12:12:12 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>, Subject: Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname- Message-ID: <87r8xef4o3.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   3 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:f  < > Lessee now: "Schenkenberger", that's 14 characters, right?  E > Back in '86, I had an operator who was Tai. His name (are you ready0E > for this?): Wanchai Damrongsantipitak (surname = 17 char). I'm surecE > others know of longer names, still. We called him "Tom", for short.   E > I'd hate to have to grid that on the answer sheet of a standardizede > test or something!  2 Comp.risks for the 80s or early 90s as I remember:  F NY had a 'minor' tax problem. Seems the way the system worked was theyD divided texable value by the amount they wanted, then legislated theF rate. Well when a Polish emegree was hit ~$28M for his 68 or so Chevy,C he was not happy. Tuned out his name had overflowed the name field,)@ and the last char went into 'value of car'... A *LARGE* value of@ car. But, the rate was the law, so NY had to swallow the loss...   -- g< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 05:19:51 GMTe. From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com>, Subject: Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname< Message-ID: <XXlP6.69891$I5.14790865@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>  8 Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> wrote in message' news:3B0DD361.13F8CB43@bellsouth.net...dC > Also slightly OT... can you find what I found to be so funny/sad:- >- > --- Original Message ---' > From:    michaelaustininc@hotmail.comrH > To:      "Microsoft Passport Support" <passport@css.one.microsoft.com>' > Sent:    Thu May 24 08:57:13 PDT 2001" > Subject: Passport Feedback   And even more off topic....t  G As a hotmail user, you have read the terms & conditions on MicroShaft'sAI Passport service, haven't you?  Passport is the underlying authenticationt/ mechanism for hotmail (and even scarier, .NET!)n  J If not, then I suggest you read the article "All your data (and biz plans)$ are belong to Microsoft" on the Reg:  8  http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/18002.html  I Be afraid.  Be very afraid.  Unlike some content at the Register, this ishI verfiable by simply clicking on the link and reading the black & white M$t legalese yourself.  , All your base are belong to BG! Ha ha ha ha! Aarona --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html> Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org/9 "The power of imagination makes us infinite." (John Muir)p   ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2001 20:14:38 -05007 From: hamilton@encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton)eE Subject: Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname - and VMS, too...oh, my!@3 Message-ID: <ye7wdK8o7IT2@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  q >In article <009FC7F8.0BE18C2C@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes::N > A few weeks ago I purchased a kit for a large wooden backyard swing and playN > fort.  A nice kit and it assembled very nicely.  One piece -- a re-enforcingM > gusset plate -- was missing and I've been dealing with trying to obtain oneiO > from the company.  I've called several times -- and again just moments ago --aN > and their computer crashes when they enter my name.  It happened again todayN > when trying to find out if my request has yet been processed.  This woman onO > the phone told me they are Q PeeCees running Weendoze 2000.  Is it any wonder N > I've been waiting for two+ weeks for a simple replacement part?  Today, thisO > woman filled out a paper-and-pencil request for the part to have it expressed"M > to me.  Let's see if that happens.  If it does, the trusted old pad and penc > are superior to M$.. > M > If the length of my last name is too much data for a W2K system to process,tN > I'd have to conclude that VMS, unix, et al, have nothing to fear in the real > enterprise processing realm.  N Yeah, but what about the fact that a certain VMS system that uses NOTES cannot/ parse your full surname, Mr. "SCHENKENBERG" ER?    :-)r   --Brad   >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe
 >             Q > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:23:34 -0700a! From: Shane.F.Smith@HEALTHNET.COMiE Subject: Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname - and VMS, too...oh, my! D Message-ID: <OFD38A64C1.6708B860-ON88256A57.00021FF5@foundation.com>   Didn't crash though, did it?   Shane           K hamilton@encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) on 05/24/2001 06:14:38 PMg  C Please respond to hamilton@encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton)-   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com5 cc:2  F Subject:  Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname - and VMS, too...oh, my!    I >In article <009FC7F8.0BE18C2C@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORGS' (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes: I > A few weeks ago I purchased a kit for a large wooden backyard swing andw playA > fort.  A nice kit and it assembled very nicely.  One piece -- a0 re-enforcingI > gusset plate -- was missing and I've been dealing with trying to obtaino onetH > from the company.  I've called several times -- and again just moments ago --H > and their computer crashes when they enter my name.  It happened again today>K > when trying to find out if my request has yet been processed.  This womane onH > the phone told me they are Q PeeCees running Weendoze 2000.  Is it any wonderI > I've been waiting for two+ weeks for a simple replacement part?  Today,  thisE > woman filled out a paper-and-pencil request for the part to have ito	 expressedyI > to me.  Let's see if that happens.  If it does, the trusted old pad and  penV > are superior to M$.  >tD > If the length of my last name is too much data for a W2K system to process,I > I'd have to conclude that VMS, unix, et al, have nothing to fear in thet real > enterprise processing realm.  G Yeah, but what about the fact that a certain VMS system that uses NOTESe cannot/ parse your full surname, Mr. "SCHENKENBERG" ER?i   :-)e   --Brad   >  > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >nK > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named aftert them.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:30:05 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)lE Subject: Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname - and VMS, too...oh, my! 0 Message-ID: <009FC818.C7BCB6EC@SendSpamHere.ORG>  m In article <ye7wdK8o7IT2@eisner.encompasserve.org>, hamilton@encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes: r >>In article <009FC7F8.0BE18C2C@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:O >> A few weeks ago I purchased a kit for a large wooden backyard swing and playoO >> fort.  A nice kit and it assembled very nicely.  One piece -- a re-enforcingcN >> gusset plate -- was missing and I've been dealing with trying to obtain oneP >> from the company.  I've called several times -- and again just moments ago --O >> and their computer crashes when they enter my name.  It happened again todaydO >> when trying to find out if my request has yet been processed.  This woman on P >> the phone told me they are Q PeeCees running Weendoze 2000.  Is it any wonderO >> I've been waiting for two+ weeks for a simple replacement part?  Today, this P >> woman filled out a paper-and-pencil request for the part to have it expressedN >> to me.  Let's see if that happens.  If it does, the trusted old pad and pen >> are superior to M$. >> hN >> If the length of my last name is too much data for a W2K system to process,O >> I'd have to conclude that VMS, unix, et al, have nothing to fear in the real  >> enterprise processing realm.B >aO >Yeah, but what about the fact that a certain VMS system that uses NOTES cannots0 >parse your full surname, Mr. "SCHENKENBERG" ER? >  >:-)  O That is only the Username.  I doubt much that a simple database lookup with any P database on VMS would cause the entire machine to puke up a bugcheck and reboot.  O ... and, since you are referring to Eisner, I took a look and my entire name --D# given and surname -- is in the UAF:x   $ mc authorize UAF> show schenkenberg  G Username: SCHENKENBERG                     Owner:  BRIAN SCHENKENBERGERhR Account:  US261179                         UIC:    [20,3] ([SUPPORT,SCHENKENBERG])   .-   .-   .-     Looks like VMS didn't puke.1    J Of course, Bill Gates does not have much use for anybody whose name is not Bill Gates anyway.    ; PS. Should I simply change the account to VAXMAN on Eisner?  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM"            "O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 04:35:30 GMT . From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com>E Subject: Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname - and VMS, too...oh, my!l< Message-ID: <milP6.69641$I5.14751471@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>  I > Yeah, but what about the fact that a certain VMS system that uses NOTESn cannot1 > parse your full surname, Mr. "SCHENKENBERG" ER?b  G There's a difference between buffer length checking resulting in stringiC truncation and a denial of service caused by buffer overruns.  EvenvJ s'kiddies understand that.  I would opt for truncated names any day of the
 millenium.  D Brian has found the true meaning of "denial of service", as have his children, thank you Mr. Gates.   AaronX --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html> Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org/9 "The power of imagination makes us infinite." (John Muir)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:54:00 +0100n! From: Andy Burns <andy@burns.net>sG Subject: Re: If backup does not select any files, why do a verify pass??8 Message-ID: <u4mqgt4vajhbo90atf2sg6f326kbnhecb8@4ax.com>  1 On Wed, 23 May 2001 12:35:02 +0100, Tim Llewellyne  <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:  I >I read the help and it seems to apply to disk rather than tape savesets.r >r% >Its tape I'm working with right now.   B I had an "unusual" situation of a multi disk volume set (with IIRCE concealed root logicals thrown in somewhere too) and a backup to tapeoD without /fast selected zero files to be backed up, the /fast made itC do a different type of "pre-scan" of which files to backup and thatA) made it pick everything off the disk ....N     --  
 Andy Burns   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:18:56 +0200I, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>! Subject: Re: looking for odd item & Message-ID: <3B0D6CB1.F562A1CD@gmx.ch>   John Clark wrote:f >  > Hi;V > F > Is anyone aware of a product called: NSI-DECnet Security Toolkit? InD > particular, I am looking for an executable called cygnus.exe. ThisH > executable supposedly monitors terminal activity and kills interactive/ > processes that are idle for a period of time.$  F There was, DEC internally, such program 15 years ago called SPIRIT. IfC it is freely available, I will send it to you as soon as I find thea (MACRO-32) source.   D. -- - Compaq Computer (Schweiz) GmbH! berlandstrasse 1, 8600 DbendorfH GSM: +41 79 7054670e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:08:30 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed< Message-ID: <y6cP6.3470$zl5.1221597@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message- news:ReYH$XDZRmjx@eisner.encompasserve.org... H > In article <ZWaP6.3104$zl5.1206261@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C., Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  J > > The OS is well entrenched in the defense sector; that's one reason for the F > > DII COE initiative. Many three-letter agencies use VMS but they of courseH > > are not, umm, reference accounts. Rumour has it that the White House uses aG > > VMS-based GS-Series system for some of its office automation tasks.o >hB > I am convinced that if you travel in those circles many of thoseD > installations are "reference accounts", provided all involved have" > appropriate security clearances.  4 Does NSG talk to JSTARS? Does DIA talk to NSA? Sure! >aH > If you are told that the US Unicorn Defense System uses VMS (presumingE > you have a clearance to know the US Unicorn Defense System exists),VE > there is no need for you to know the details of _how_ they use VMS,sB > but you can judge for yourself that there are no unicorn attacks > being reported :-)  + Ah. A SERIOUS SECURITY COMPROMISE here. ;-}d   ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:18:02 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>" Subject: Re: Microsoft and LockeedJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105242016350.18766-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  & On 24 May 2001, Larry Kilgallen wrote: [...]lH >+If you are told that the US Unicorn Defense System uses VMS (presumingE >+you have a clearance to know the US Unicorn Defense System exists),IE >+there is no need for you to know the details of _how_ they use VMS,cB >+but you can judge for yourself that there are no unicorn attacks >+being reported :-)  5 ..except US U.D.S. dissallows the knowledge that usesd  computers at all ;) !    Regards - Gotfryd   -- sE =====================================================================sF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEr. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:55:58 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)o" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed/ Message-ID: <tgqm9ujqicbf68@news.supernews.com>r  B fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote in <OFB7406324.B64C7ADD-, ON032569DD.00324189@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>:   >Microsoft and Lockeed...... >u< >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-6027943.html?tag=mn_hd >h* >What is the role of OpenVMS in defense  ? >  >o >Regards >f >FCs >>  H I remember a (large!) boat the Navy built a couple of years ago with NT H systems running a large part of the automation on board.  The boat, and @ it's NT systems were towed back to shore after "NT issues" were % encountered, numerous times, I think.o  $ Hope they don't build NT-based ICBM  -- e1 << Marriage is Grand.  Divorce is Fifty Grand. >>n   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **=   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:04:55 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed< Message-ID: <rXcP6.3619$zl5.1235060@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  : "Warren Spencer" <wspencer@ap.nospam.org> wrote in message) news:tgqm9ujqicbf68@news.supernews.com...m  I > I remember a (large!) boat the Navy built a couple of years ago with NTiI > systems running a large part of the automation on board.  The boat, and A > it's NT systems were towed back to shore after "NT issues" werey' > encountered, numerous times, I think.  >r  J Yep, and we're looking at deja vu all over again with the new CVN (nuclearG aircraft carrier) due out in 2007-8 that'll have a Windows-based battleh management system.  H Meanwhile, the ChiComs (our Strategic Partners) are developing a defenseH command and control infrastructure based on Alpha and COSIX, the Chinese variant of Tru64 UNIX.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:25:30 -0500/1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed' Message-ID: <3B0D6E3A.A255B84A@fsi.net>s   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:n > < > "Warren Spencer" <wspencer@ap.nospam.org> wrote in message+ > news:tgqm9ujqicbf68@news.supernews.com...y > K > > I remember a (large!) boat the Navy built a couple of years ago with NT.K > > systems running a large part of the automation on board.  The boat, andfC > > it's NT systems were towed back to shore after "NT issues" were ) > > encountered, numerous times, I think.  > >a > L > Yep, and we're looking at deja vu all over again with the new CVN (nuclearI > aircraft carrier) due out in 2007-8 that'll have a Windows-based battleo > management system.  G Well! That'll make an interesting chapter in our great-grand-children'snG history books: How the U.S. lost the war with (???) because it's Navy'soF ships were paralyzed when the battle computers BSOD'd! Then, BG can goC down in history as the man who handed the U.S. to it's enemies on aeG Silver Platter in the name of "innovation" ("Screw standards! We've goty a better idea!")  J > Meanwhile, the ChiComs (our Strategic Partners) are developing a defenseJ > command and control infrastructure based on Alpha and COSIX, the Chinese > variant of Tru64 UNIX.  # Well, at least it's not Billy-ware!    -- c David J. Dachtera9 dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.u   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:27:42 GMT44 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed< Message-ID: <29eP6.3645$zl5.1258836@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3B0D6E3A.A255B84A@fsi.net...a > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:o > >  >iL > > Meanwhile, the ChiComs (our Strategic Partners) are developing a defenseL > > command and control infrastructure based on Alpha and COSIX, the Chinese > > variant of Tru64 UNIX. >u% > Well, at least it's not Billy-ware!c  D Yes, and that is the problem. We are deliberating ceding a strategic? advantage (or at least parity) to the ChiComs. Not a wise move!    ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2001 05:01:50 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed- Message-ID: <87k836ihq9.fsf@prep.synonet.com>f    Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  F > If Lockheed is using M$ as an example, I hope none of the readers ofB > this newsgroup is living near an airfield, Just imagine how many, > Lockheed build planes will be crashing....  C I thought it interesting that Lockheed's share price dropped 22 ando* the borgs went up. Yet Another Organ Donor   -- r< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov H   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:23:47 -0600 ( From: emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com>" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed+ Message-ID: <3B0D89F3.D78E09FB@ecubics.com>i   Dirk Munk wrote: > F > If Lockheed is using M$ as an example, I hope none of the readers ofB > this newsgroup is living near an airfield, Just imagine how many, > Lockheed build planes will be crashing....  2 Or have to fly with windows, which don't close ;-)   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2001 05:30:56 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed- Message-ID: <87bsoiigdr.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   6 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3B0D6E3A.A255B84A@fsi.net...t > > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:r  F > > > Meanwhile, the ChiComs (our Strategic Partners) are developing aC > > > defense command and control infrastructure based on Alpha andt/ > > > COSIX, the Chinese variant of Tru64 UNIX.   ' > > Well, at least it's not Billy-ware!e  F > Yes, and that is the problem. We are deliberating ceding a strategicA > advantage (or at least parity) to the ChiComs. Not a wise move!-  D Having worked with Mainland chinese, then it would be the best thingB that happened to the US taxpayer. Opps, they don't count, do they.   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.1@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:31:36 -07000! From: Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com>s" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed+ Message-ID: <3B0DC408.632C777A@tmisnet.com>S  @ From what I heard the NT system was running a program that had aA divide-by-zero error.  This munged the NT system and disabled therH propulsion system for the entire ship.  The Admiral who's job was on theK line stood up in front of reporters and said it was bad programming and not E NT.  This was the Admiral that made the Navy NT directive.  Of course0E anyone who knew anything about  what good OS should have done startedh= moaning.  The Admiral was have right.  It was bad programmingr   Cass   Warren Spencer wrote:s  D > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote in <OFB7406324.B64C7ADD-. > ON032569DD.00324189@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>: >  > >Microsoft and Lockeed...... > > > > >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-6027943.html?tag=mn_hd > >0, > >What is the role of OpenVMS in defense  ? > >+ > >s
 > >Regards > >l > >FC  > >  >dI > I remember a (large!) boat the Navy built a couple of years ago with NTaI > systems running a large part of the automation on board.  The boat, andrA > it's NT systems were towed back to shore after "NT issues" weret' > encountered, numerous times, I think.W >s% > Hope they don't build NT-based ICBMu > --3 > << Marriage is Grand.  Divorce is Fifty Grand. >>l >  > Warren Spencer > Senior Software Engineer > The Associated Press >aA > ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:41:33 -0500e1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>C" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed' Message-ID: <3B0DC65D.67AFFDFE@fsi.net>    Paul Repacholi wrote:- > " > Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: > H > > If Lockheed is using M$ as an example, I hope none of the readers ofD > > this newsgroup is living near an airfield, Just imagine how many. > > Lockheed build planes will be crashing.... > E > I thought it interesting that Lockheed's share price dropped 22 andn, > the borgs went up. Yet Another Organ Donor   Yeah - brain donor!F   -- E David J. DachteraO dba DJE Systemsp http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.>   ------------------------------   Date: 25 May 2001 02:48:30 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)y" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed' Message-ID: <9ekh5u$mhq$1@joe.rice.edu>r  " Koloth (koloth@tmisnet.com) wrote:B : From what I heard the NT system was running a program that had aC : divide-by-zero error.  This munged the NT system and disabled therJ : propulsion system for the entire ship.  The Admiral who's job was on theM : line stood up in front of reporters and said it was bad programming and notIG : NT.  This was the Admiral that made the Navy NT directive.  Of course,G : anyone who knew anything about  what good OS should have done startedt? : moaning.  The Admiral was have right.  It was bad programmingb  % Here's the story on the USS Yorktown:a  6  http://www.sciam.com/1998/1198issue/1198techbus2.htmlL  Scientific American: Technology and Business: Rough Sailing For Smart Ships  5  http://www.gcn.com/archives/gcn/1998/july13/cov2.htm :  Software glitches leave Navy Smart Ship dead in the water  < The story on the decision to run a nuclear carrier with W2K:  .  http://www.gcn.com/vol19_no27/dod/2868-1.html  Navy carrier to run Win 2000c   --Jerry Leslie         ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:25:03 -0400S6 From: "HM2(FMF/SW) Neill Thornton" <neillt@neillt.com>" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed7 Message-ID: <005501c0e4d2$ad391bc0$9e0cd818@8mar1bn283>   K I hate to ruin all of your all's expecations (and I hate NT/2000 as much asSB the next man), but I just completed a 6 month deployment on a NavyC amphibious assault ship (LHA-1 Class), which runs Windows NT almostoK exclusively for some rather critical functions (damage control, navigation,tH etc.) and we had *zero* problems.  This includes some rather complicatedK *real world* damage control situations (i.e. fires, major fuel leaks, etc).jD The computers were never an issue.  In fact, they worked better thanI expected.  And, as a Sailor that may have to stand those extra watches, IhH applaud any attempt to reduce the workload we have to endure to keep ourH ships running.  That means more time that I get to do some rather neededJ things (like, sleep).  We work our asses off day in, day out as it is.  WeJ are not going to put our ass on the line if we think the computer can't doC as good a job.  Personally, I think it can, as long as the SoftwareoH engineers behind it can get the job done right.  I am a firm believer in technology..  L Remember, if something goes wrong at sea, we have to deal with it ourselves.K There is no "911" we can call.  We have to fix it, then get home.  No help, L no extra hands.  Just us.  That makes us the ultimate skeptics.  We will notA place our lives on the line to a box that we think will not work.b  I The Yorktown was a prototype experiment.  Things happen.  They get fixed. J That's why only one ship has the technology that she had.  The Navy is notI foolish enough to risk the entire fleet to an unproven technology.  FWIW,:I all the combat systems I saw during deployment had nothing to do with NT,sH all the weapons were controlled by a version of *NIX.  (I don't know howK classified that is, so I won't say which one.)  The weapons control systems G are probably the most important thing we have.  I would not worry abouto* Billy taking control of the Navy just yet.   HM2(FMF/SW) Neill Thornton< Senior Corpsman, Weapons Company, Battalion Landing Team 1/8< 22nd Marine Expeditionary Force (Special Operations Capable)4 LFOC: (910)451-5820    STU-III Secured DSN: 751-5820 ----- Original Message -----+ From: "Jerry Leslie" <leslie@clio.rice.edu>  To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>D% Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:48 PMi" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed    $ > Koloth (koloth@tmisnet.com) wrote:D > : From what I heard the NT system was running a program that had aE > : divide-by-zero error.  This munged the NT system and disabled theiL > : propulsion system for the entire ship.  The Admiral who's job was on theK > : line stood up in front of reporters and said it was bad programming andi notnI > : NT.  This was the Admiral that made the Navy NT directive.  Of courseCI > : anyone who knew anything about  what good OS should have done started4A > : moaning.  The Admiral was have right.  It was bad programming: >3' > Here's the story on the USS Yorktown:a >n8 >  http://www.sciam.com/1998/1198issue/1198techbus2.htmlH >  Scientific American: Technology and Business: Rough Sailing For Smart Shipsa >n7 >  http://www.gcn.com/archives/gcn/1998/july13/cov2.htmR< >  Software glitches leave Navy Smart Ship dead in the water >0> > The story on the decision to run a nuclear carrier with W2K: >d0 >  http://www.gcn.com/vol19_no27/dod/2868-1.html >  Navy carrier to run Win 2000n >e > --Jerry Leslie   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:45:26 -0400e' From: Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org>u" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed, Message-ID: <3B0DE366.880F4137@ui.urban.org>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: [snip]H > If you are told that the US Unicorn Defense System uses VMS (presumingE > you have a clearance to know the US Unicorn Defense System exists),pE > there is no need for you to know the details of _how_ they use VMS,kB > but you can judge for yourself that there are no unicorn attacks > being reported :-)  E How appropriate. The traditional means for capturing a unicorn was toVF have a Virgin Maiden Sitting (VMS) near where the unicorn was known to travel.o   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)e' Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/)Y. ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:53:51 -0400o' From: Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org> " Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed, Message-ID: <3B0DE55F.8642EA02@ui.urban.org>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > 8 > <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageH > news:OFB7406324.B64C7ADD-ON032569DD.00324189@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br... > > Microsoft and Lockeed......  > >s? > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-6027943.html?tag=mn_hds > >h- > > What is the role of OpenVMS in defense  ?r > >t > L > The OS is well entrenched in the defense sector; that's one reason for theK > DII COE initiative. Many three-letter agencies use VMS but they of course M > are not, umm, reference accounts. Rumour has it that the White House uses a E > VMS-based GS-Series system for some of its office automation tasks.   @ A data point: Typically, when ESILUG has a VMS-oriented meeting,D roughly one third of the attendees are from government agencies. TheE unwritten etiquette is that we don't quiz the .gov crowd too closely,5; but neither do they hide the fact that they're running VMS.u  E Just to complete the picture: Nearly all the remaining two thirds aree@ from the commercial realm, with a scattered few from non-profits) (including yours truly) and universities.r   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)s' Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/)g. ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:25:45 GMTN From: danco@pebble.org () $ Subject: Re: MOP/LAD across routers?- Message-ID: <slrn9gqri8.lpb.danco@pebble.org>   L On Thu, 24 May 2001 11:25:04 -0500, Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU> wrote:  Q >I have never had to deal with this situation before, but I have now found myself 9 >in a setup where my office where I would like to have aneA >InfoServer and an X-Terminal that use MOP and LAD and DECnet are C >in a different sub-net than the OpenVMS systems which they will be-= >accessing.  I don't control the network and suspect that theCC >routers and gateways might not pass DEC protocols.  I will have toc >check into that deeper.  = In the case of MOP, perhaps you have the option of using TFTPe< instead and can configure yopur X-terminal to do so?  DECnet; is routable, but you might be hard pressed to find a routeru< that handles it.  You can also route DECnet over TCP/IP, but7 you'd need an Alpha or a VAX running either Multinet orN9 DECnet Phase V and UCX on each end (plus a DECnet routing 9 license on one end if using Multinet).  I don't even want' to think about LAD.    - Dana   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:06:29 GMTl4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: MS-Fawning at Compaqi< Message-ID: <F4cP6.3455$zl5.1221170@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message& news:9ejg7o$1200$1@info.cs.uofs.edu...= > In article <J7VO6.2718$zl5.803558@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,h9 >  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:L > |>K > |> What I *would* like to see is more evenhanded treatment of the product L > |> portfolio. Rather than playing the fiefdom and OS Political CorrectnessJ > |> game, Compaq needs to be more like General Motors. GM manages to sellL > |> multiple competing product lines (both home-grown and imported) and the GMH > |> subsidiaries are not artificially restrained by corporate politicalK > |> correctness. If you go to a Buick dealer, the Buick dealer isn't gonna  say 3 > |> "Well, I think you'd be happier in a Pontiac!"  > |>8 > |> And GM damnsure isn't going to force such behavior. > H > But in order for your analogy with GM to work you have to assume thereE > are no Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Buick or Cadilac salesmen.  Only Chevy.w  G Nope. The aforementioned (and Oldsmobile is now past tense) salefolk ofdI course are going to promote their own products. GM does not force PontiacmG salespeople to say "well, perhaps you should be looking at a fine BuickoI product." Is there a Cadillac-Prizm Affinity Program at GM? I don't thinkl so!e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:18:16 -0700o! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com ! Subject: Re: MS-Fawning at CompaqfD Message-ID: <OFEB404C9E.8C53FDAF-ON88256A56.007A6865@foundation.com>  H Strange as it may sound, that might send an appropriate message.... DoesH Charlie himself hold any shares, or is it legal to give him some kind of proxy?   Shanee          H "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> on 05/24/2001 09:49:17 AM  @ Please respond to "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como cc:,  " Subject:  Re: MS-Fawning at Compaq      : "John Reagan" <reagan@hiyall.zko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:3B0CF981.4A3C9269@hiyall.zko.dec.com... > Robert Deininger wrote:> > >jA > > Perhaps Compaq held proxies for the majority of stockholders?@ > >o >eE > Institutional investors (ie, mutual funds) almostly always vote them > "board's recommendations". >i   Yep, so it goes.  # But if nominated, Charlie will run!h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:25:50 +0200m) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>h Subject: Re: Opera browser, Message-ID: <3B0D6E4E.852251A0@infopuls.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > Z > In article <3B0C1341.3912AFF4@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > >>] > >> In article <3B05B563.B9192D11@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:i > >> > Larry Kilgallen wrote:c > >> >>cp > >> >> In article <OFB8AE5EB5.2786550A-ON88256A4F.0079FFEC@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:	 > >> >> >iU > >> >> > Observations suggest it's OK. The pay version doesn't appear on the spywareaQ > >> >> > infested software list, and there are people using ethernet sniffers tohU > >> >> > check. 'Course, they could always be doing some funky kind of encryption sot > >> >> > it doesn't show up.a > >> >>oN > >> >> It could be waiting two years to start reporting, after it is popular. > >> >E > >> > Do you think their business will then continue. If not: do youuB > >> > think they would have earned enough money then? What do youC > >> > think of negotiating a special licence agreement for the VMS D > >> > version which specifically excludes all that sort of activityF > >> > and would include a very high fee they had to pay if they brake > >> > the contract? > >>0 > >> Let me answer in Brian Schenkenberger mode. > >>B > >>         I am more interested in assurance of security than inC > >>         assurance that in the event of malfeasance there would # > >>         be income for lawyers.  > >e > > This was for the audience.1 > > Please try it another time, more substantial.o > 7 > It is not often that people ask me to say _more_. :-)  > F >         The idea that there would be retribution against a malfactorF >         does not provide me sufficient assurance that there would be >         no such malfeasance.   What is your solution?6 Would you accept a person inspecting the sources for a reasonable long time?.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:44:54 +0200e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>s. Subject: Re: Oracle commitment with SUN - Only) Message-ID: <3B0D64B6.CDDC82C0@gtech.com>o  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:G > If you dont know Oracle, Sun and Veritas have an agreement called VOSg
 > Initiative. I > What means, customers having the products of the three companies have awL > specialized call center - by contract of course - to solve the integration > problems.y > < > Is there a  OC - Oracle x Compaq initiative ????? NO ! ! !  8 Can anyone imagine an Oracle - VMS - ODS-2 call-center ?   No !  	 Why not ?   : Because VMS and ODS-2 does not create any special need for a call center !0  C So consider it a statement about how much SUN and Veritas trust thev quality of their software.   :-)h   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 05:04:26 GMT-. From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com> Subject: Re: PGP revisited< Message-ID: <uJlP6.69811$I5.14778439@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>  # > >Where do you find Gnupg for VMS?a > A >   http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/SOFTWARE/GNUPG1_0_4_VMS.ZIPo >r5 > use at your own risk, I don't support it, etc. etc.l  H While Dave may suggest it's unsupported/risky, I'll say I've used it andL find it functional and compatible, even with PGP.  I've used it for creatingK and verifying signatures and encrypting and decrypting files.  Works great;e good job, Dave!   L One item of note: you will find some command line options that can take fileF specs; some of these will fail due to the vaguaries of byte vs. recordK counting (U*X vs. RMS).  In these circumstances, I found that using the DCL8L PIPE command to redirect input or output to/from GPG will circumvent the RMSJ rounding errors and keep GPG happy.  (e.g., when you encrypt a file, don'tF use -o filespec, instead pipe the output to the destination file.  GPGJ counts the bytes written, then checks the file size to ensure the 2 match;D RMS reports back the number of blocks * 512, which <> fsize.  Oops.)   Happy cryptology,N Aaronm --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html> Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org/9 "The power of imagination makes us infinite." (John Muir).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:31:40 -0500e. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>& Subject: Plotting Program - available?- Message-ID: <3B0D7DBC.D1B0BEF@pressenter.com>2  > I'm looking for a free pltting application that can take comma5 delineated data files and print out postscript files.C    F I want to automate some graph generation, so I can create these graphsH via DCL commands, (in batch) and have them printed and waiting for me in" the morning when I arrive to work.     Any suggestions?   TIAJ   Lyndon     -- yG My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of myr	 employer.     H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 03:51:30 GMTi2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>* Subject: Re: Plotting Program - available?2 Message-ID: <6FkP6.87$k3.5685@typhoon.aracnet.com>  / Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote:e@ > I'm looking for a free pltting application that can take comma7 > delineated data files and print out postscript files.     H > I want to automate some graph generation, so I can create these graphsJ > via DCL commands, (in batch) and have them printed and waiting for me in$ > the morning when I arrive to work.     > Any suggestions?    L Find a copy of 'gnuplot', it sound slike it should do just the trick.  There is an OpenVMS version.  K It should be fairly easy to use it for a batch job, as I did this on a UNIXn% system using Perl a couple years ago.a   			Zane    ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2001 12:07:34 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>* Subject: Re: Plotting Program - available?- Message-ID: <87vgmqf4vt.fsf@prep.synonet.com>o  0 Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes:  @ > I'm looking for a free pltting application that can take comma7 > delineated data files and print out postscript files.e  A > I want to automate some graph generation, so I can create theseu? > graphs via DCL commands, (in batch) and have them printed and96 > waiting for me in the morning when I arrive to work.  0 Gnuplot. And a huge range of plot options etc...   -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov @   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:15:56 -0400/, From: Eric Sosman <Eric.Sosman@east.sun.com>+ Subject: Re: POSIX threads and word tearingb, Message-ID: <3B0D4FDC.2D322BC5@east.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > I > Did the ANSI standard for C drop the K&R claim that C is for 8 bit byte  > computers?  >     Yes, twelve years ago when the Standard was first adopted.   --   Eric.Sosman@east.sun.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:02:08 -0400,' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> + Subject: Re: POSIX threads and word tearinga( Message-ID: <9ejlnk$rtt$1@pyrite.mv.net>  1 "Joe Seigh" <jseigh@genuity.com> wrote in messageu% news:3B0D1C96.A2FF422C@genuity.com...    ...o  H > That raises an interesting point.  Cache is supposed to be transparent except as an overallI > performance increase.  Hardware designers spend a lot of time analyzingg program behavior toyD > optimize their cache design.  If you start taking into account the structure and layout ofaL > the cache in your programs, you are going to introduce a positive feedback loop in the analysisG > of program behavior.  This could then effect a change in cache designe which then increase thetE > benefit for one kind of behavior and decrease it for other types of  behavior causing further' > feedback as things evolve further on.  >hI > I've seen code that takes cache layout into account.  It's not a prettyh sight.  I'd thinkh? > twice before increasing the reward for that kind of behavior.u  C It's not clear what you're getting at:  about the only way to avoid J rewarding such optimizations is to keep the cache design secret.  HardwareH designers worried about feedback behavior should simply make sure not toG allow such optimized software undue influence over their cache designs.   J Aligning program structures on what are likely to be cache-line boundariesG hardly constitutes ugliness most of the time.  Nor does so aligning theCH occasional heavily-accessed synchronization structure.  'Touching' a fewL cache lines ahead of a sequential scan to prefetch them is somewhat messier,H but until processors reliably implement sequential prefetch on their own) it's well worth the effort in some cases.C   > 5 > I think cache visiblity should be left out of POSIXc  C Which, if you re-read Dave's statement, is just about what he said.w   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:58:40 -0400   From: Dima Volodin <dvv@dvv.org>+ Subject: Re: POSIX threads and word tearingi' Message-ID: <3B0D7600.29369A56@dvv.org>e   Bob Koehler wrote: > J > The threads are portable so long as your need no data synchronization orC > you do all data synchronization with POSIX thread calls making noeD > assumptions about the underlying memory system architecture (don't5 > assume ANY access to thread shared data is atomic).a  - Wrong. Please look up what "word tearing" is.n  A > Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences CorporationS   Dima   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:21:17 -0400 - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>v/ Subject: Re: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone?p( Message-ID: <3B0D6D3D.DFAD1F2E@ohio.edu>   I seem to recall an implementation for the VAX/VMS environment a dozen years ago that we got from INRIA, the French research institute. " Their Web site appears to start at  $                 http://www.inria.fr/  5 but I did not immediately spot any reference to LISP.   #                                 RDPs     Alan Greig wrote:1  D > On Thu, 24 May 2001 13:21:28 +0000 (UTC), david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk > (D.Webb) wrote:e >s > >In article <009FC77D.2D532FF7@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:k > >>In article <3B0C45DA.111B9A27@mail.ourservers.net>, Robert Alan Byer <byer@mail.ourservers.net> writes: ; > >>>Anyone know of a LISP system for OpenVMS Alpha or VAX?p > >>>a3 > >>>I would appreciate any help and input on this.n > >>H > >>Try googling around for SIOD, which (if memory serves) is a freewareG > >>multiplatform SCHEME package by George J. Carrette that ran on VMS.S > >> > >/M > >There is also POPLOG which includes POP-11, PROLOG, Standard ML and Common, > >LISP. >0G > I recall an implementation of either Prolog, POP-2 or Lisp written incG > Pascal. Compiled on a DEC2060 under TOPS-20 (Chuck Hedrick's SPASCAL)yG > in around 8 seconds and about 4 minutes on a VAX 11/780 (DEC Pascal).nC > The Rutgers (Hedrick) SPascal compiler could compile itself in 30rE > seconds. Incredible. One day I'll find my TK50s written around 1988n) > with all of these goodies stashed away.h > B > >This was (I believe) originally developed at Sussex University.H > >It was then sold as a commercial product by ISL but now appears to be3 > >available as an open source product again see :-V > >t > >  > >http://www.poplog.org/  > >eL > >POPLOG has pretty much always run under VMS (as well as a variety of Unix. > >platforms and microsoft operating systems). > >  > >a
 > >David Webbl > >VMS and Unix team leadern > >CCSSn > >Middlesex Universityt > >t >e > -- > Alan   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:18:01 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>0 Subject: Reinstalling Backup patch on 7.2 system2 Message-ID: <tMfP6.81$k3.5267@typhoon.aracnet.com>  L A while back I accidentally deinstalled DEC AXPVMS VMS72_BACKUP V1.0 from myJ one system running OpenVMS V7.2.  Now when I try to reinstall it I get the following error:  G     DEC AXPVMS VMS72_BACKUP V1.0           DISK$ALPHASYS3:[VMS$COMMON.] ; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtuale address=000000000000& 0150, PC=000000000010C72C, PS=0000001B  2   Improperly handled condition, image exit forced.1     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005i1                         Name   = 000000000000000C 1                                  0000000000000000a1                                  0000000000000150o1                                  000000000010C72C 1                                  000000000000001Be       Register dump:J     R0  = 0000000000000001  R1  = 000000000000000E  R2  = 000000000007A3E0J     R3  = 00000000001A6098  R4  = 00000000001B05D8  R5  = 000000000020FCA8J     R6  = 0000000000000000  R7  = 0000000000000000  R8  = 000000000020F9A4J     R9  = 00000000001AF6E8  R10 = 00000000001A7BC0  R11 = 00000000001AF6E8J     R12 = 00000000001AF6E8  R13 = 0000000000000000  R14 = 000000000020F9A4J     R15 = 0000000000000000  R16 = 0000000000000003  R17 = 00000000001AE308J     R18 = 00000000001AE308  R19 = 0000000000000003  R20 = 0000000058585858J     R21 = 0000000058585858  R22 = 0000000000000000  R23 = 0000000000000000J     R24 = 00000000001B1680  R25 = 0000000000000006  R26 = 000000000010AE30J     R27 = 000000000007A548  R28 = 0000000000097476  R29 = 000000007AF40DE0J     SP  = 000000007AF40DE0  PC  = 000000000010C72C  PS  = 200000000000001B $   G Does anyone know how to get this patch reinstalled?  I think I've got atA backup disk, but would just as soon not have to resort to that.  i  E Also, am I correct in assuming that not having this patch could causekL problems with upgrading to V7.2-1H1?  Of course the fact that I attempted toJ upgrade the disk to V7.2-1H1 might be why I now can't reinstall the backup patch.   				Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:52:32 -0500k1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>'4 Subject: Re: Reinstalling Backup patch on 7.2 system' Message-ID: <3B0DC8F0.A3B80712@fsi.net>    "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > N > A while back I accidentally deinstalled DEC AXPVMS VMS72_BACKUP V1.0 from myL > one system running OpenVMS V7.2.  Now when I try to reinstall it I get the > following error: > I >     DEC AXPVMS VMS72_BACKUP V1.0           DISK$ALPHASYS3:[VMS$COMMON.]c= > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtualk > address=000000000000( > 0150, PC=000000000010C72C, PS=0000001B > 4 >   Improperly handled condition, image exit forced.3 >     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005o3 >                         Name   = 000000000000000C-3 >                                  0000000000000000O3 >                                  0000000000000150a3 >                                  000000000010C72Co3 >                                  000000000000001Bo >  >     Register dump:L >     R0  = 0000000000000001  R1  = 000000000000000E  R2  = 000000000007A3E0L >     R3  = 00000000001A6098  R4  = 00000000001B05D8  R5  = 000000000020FCA8L >     R6  = 0000000000000000  R7  = 0000000000000000  R8  = 000000000020F9A4L >     R9  = 00000000001AF6E8  R10 = 00000000001A7BC0  R11 = 00000000001AF6E8L >     R12 = 00000000001AF6E8  R13 = 0000000000000000  R14 = 000000000020F9A4L >     R15 = 0000000000000000  R16 = 0000000000000003  R17 = 00000000001AE308L >     R18 = 00000000001AE308  R19 = 0000000000000003  R20 = 0000000058585858L >     R21 = 0000000058585858  R22 = 0000000000000000  R23 = 0000000000000000L >     R24 = 00000000001B1680  R25 = 0000000000000006  R26 = 000000000010AE30L >     R27 = 000000000007A548  R28 = 0000000000097476  R29 = 000000007AF40DE0L >     SP  = 000000007AF40DE0  PC  = 000000000010C72C  PS  = 200000000000001B > $a > I > Does anyone know how to get this patch reinstalled?  I think I've got aiA > backup disk, but would just as soon not have to resort to that.9  F There should have been PCSI patches for V7.1-2 and later to fix this -E it's a bug in PCSI. I bumped into it trying to re-install the upgrade5 from V6.2-1H3 to V7.1-2.  aG > Also, am I correct in assuming that not having this patch could causeeN > problems with upgrading to V7.2-1H1?  Of course the fact that I attempted toL > upgrade the disk to V7.2-1H1 might be why I now can't reinstall the backup > patch.   Hhmmm...   -- y David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemsd http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 03:47:37 GMTe2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>4 Subject: Re: Reinstalling Backup patch on 7.2 system2 Message-ID: <tBkP6.86$k3.5685@typhoon.aracnet.com>  0 David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:H > There should have been PCSI patches for V7.1-2 and later to fix this -G > it's a bug in PCSI. I bumped into it trying to re-install the upgradet > from V6.2-1H3 to V7.1-2.  D Ah, it looks like that was in fact *a* problem, but....  (see below)  H >> Also, am I correct in assuming that not having this patch could causeO >> problems with upgrading to V7.2-1H1?  Of course the fact that I attempted to M >> upgrade the disk to V7.2-1H1 might be why I now can't reinstall the backupp	 >> patch.s  
 > Hhmmm...  L NOW when trying to install VMS72_BACKUP I get the following access violationH that is identical to the one I'm seeing when I try the V7.2-1H1 upgrade.  7 The following product will be installed to destination:eG     DEC AXPVMS VMS72_BACKUP V1.0           DISK$ALPHASYS3:[VMS$COMMON.]c; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual  address=000000000000& 015C, PC=0000000000113C78, PS=0000001B/ %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump followsvP   image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PC      5  PCSI$SHR  SPIU_ORDER_TOTAL  spiu_compare_total_orderi>                                          5298 00000000000004A8 0000000000113C787  PCSI$SHR  SPIU_ORDER_EXECUTION  spiu_execute_collationt>                                          8689 0000000000003974 0000000000111D94:  PCSI$SHR  SPIU_ORDER_EXECUTION  spiu_collate_object_group>                                          9874 0000000000004EDC 00000000001132FC5  PCSI$SHR  SPIU_PROD_DOCU  spiu_collate_object_domain.>                                          7668 0000000000002490 0000000000130E105  PCSI$SHR  SPIU_PROD_DOCU  spiu_collate_object_domain >                                          7745 00000000000025FC 0000000000130F7C1  PCSI$SHR  SPIU_PROD_DOCU  spiu_collate_or_updateh>                                          8345 000000000000330C 0000000000131C8C0  PCSI$SHR  SPIU_PROD_DOCU  spiu_collate_database>                                          8632 0000000000003BCC 000000000013254C,  PCSI$SHR  SPIU_API_OPERATIONS  spiu_install>                                          8129 0000000000002884 00000000000C8034)  PCSI$MAIN  UICOMMON  UIexecute_operation >                                         20721 0000000000002540 0000000000044CE0*  PCSI$MAIN  SPIU_COMMAND_VMS  DCLconfigure>                                         21589 0000000000000D0C 000000000003746C1  PCSI$MAIN  SPIU_COMMAND_VMS  process_DCL_command,>                                         25082 0000000000007F74 000000000003E6D4)  PCSI$MAIN  SPIU_COMMAND_VMS  process_DCLa>                                         25268 00000000000085B8 000000000003ED18>  PCSI$MAIN  SPIU_COMMAND_VMS  main      27242 000000000000C028 0000000000042788>  PCSI$MAIN  SPIU_COMMAND_VMS  __main        0 0000000000000094 00000000000367F4>                                             0 FFFFFFFF86593474 FFFFFFFF86593474 $     E OK, I'm wondering if the following might be the answer to my problemseL VMS72_UPDATE-V0200 seems to have something for this problem.  Obviously someI patches slipped past me last summer while I was in the process of gettingaL married, and before I got on the patches mailing list.  Opps.  Becuase I seeG I'm also missing VMS72_SYS-V0300.  I'll get my system up to the currentC# patch level and see what happens.  p  H How embarassing, and I'd been thinking this box was at the current patch level for V7.2.J   			Zane    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 05:05:28 GMTs2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>4 Subject: Re: Reinstalling Backup patch on 7.2 system2 Message-ID: <sKlP6.89$k3.5796@typhoon.aracnet.com>  1 Zane H. Healy <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote:rG > OK, I'm wondering if the following might be the answer to my problemsrN > VMS72_UPDATE-V0200 seems to have something for this problem.  Obviously someK > patches slipped past me last summer while I was in the process of gettingaN > married, and before I got on the patches mailing list.  Opps.  Becuase I seeI > I'm also missing VMS72_SYS-V0300.  I'll get my system up to the currenth% > patch level and see what happens.  c  J OK, maybe I shouldn't have installed the PCSI patch until after installingI the above to patches.  It craters on both of them like I mentioned in thee previous message.t  K I'm now in the process of duping the disk I made prior to trying to upgradefE to V7.2-1H1.  I'll see if I can't have better luck by first trying toaI install the above two patches, then the PCSI patch.  Though at this point I I'm pretty much resigned to having to rebuild my server from scratch.  AtPD least I'll be able to do that on another system while keeping it up.   			Zaney   ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2001 11:46:38 -0700+ From: stephenb@co.lake.ca.us (Stephen Bray) E Subject: Remote printing through a Cisco Router and no IP addressing. = Message-ID: <27f3610e.0105241046.4c4c0247@posting.google.com>s  @ I a really new with OpenVMS and VAX and am having to learn this @ really fast on the fly.  My question's are going to appear very / ignorant.  However, this is my initial problem.c  ; We recently changed the topography of our VAX network.  We 5; have two Digital MicroVAX 3100s clustered together running  9 OpenVMS, version 5.3-2, on one segment.  We had a remote eC serial printer on another segment.  The segments were bridged over tB a T-1 line with two Motorola Vanguard 320 bridges.  These bridges > had a DB-25 serial port which we configured and connected the < remote printer to.  Users on the same segment as the remote F printer use a LAT client application the establish a session with the > VAX and the request print jobs the are directed to the remote  printer.  @ The Motorola bridges began to fail and lose data packets, so we A decided to replace the bridges.  On the VAX segment we are using  ? a Cisco 1600 router in a bridging mode.  On the remote printer -@ segment we using a Cisco 2600 router.  Since the remote segment C router does not have a serial port, we cannot re-attach the remote s printer.  D I need a printing solution for the remote workstations, that are on = the same segment as the remote printer, since the VAX can no h> longer attach to the remote printer.  I have know that LAT is = installed the VAX, but I am unable to determine if TCP/IP is e
 installed.  & The following information is provided:  	 Hardware:i  > Digital MicroVAX 3100, model DV-31DTA-A-A01, operating system  - OpenVMS 5.3-2t# Cisco 1600 Router, IOS version 12.1o# Cisco 2600 Router, IOS version 12.1e5 Workstations:  Windows 95, Reflections 5.0 LAT clienth. HP LaserJet 4050TN with JetDirect internal NIC. Two HP LaserJet 5 on a Netgear PrintServer 1019 HP LaserJet III (original serial printer attached to VAX)c   Network:% Novell Netware 5.1 using IPX protocol 7 Print queues setup on the Netware server for Windows95 c
 applications.t  B If someone could provide me with a clue on how to setup up remote F printing to either the serial printer or to the workstations that use 0 Windows printers, I would greatly appreciate it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:31:06 +0200u, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>I Subject: Re: Remote printing through a Cisco Router and no IP addressing.s& Message-ID: <3B0D6F8B.B92D93B2@gmx.ch>   Stephen Bray wrote:e >  ../..aC > If someone could provide me with a clue on how to setup up remotenG > printing to either the serial printer or to the workstations that usen2 > Windows printers, I would greatly appreciate it.  B To me, you have two solutions. Either you ask your CISCO expert toG enable LAT routing and your problem should be solved as if they were noeL CISCO routers, or you buy a (used) DEcserver and you plug the printer to it.  E To know if TCP/IP (UCX) is installed, under 5.5 I am not sure, but iflF you issue a $ TELNET or an $ FTP, you will see if it prompts or if you get a DCL error.  H If it prompts you can try a @sys$manager:ucx$config and see if it allowsI you to start TCP/IP and some other choices. If it does, then you can do ar   TCPIP sh conf interfacen  D to have a look at you IP interface and know its address. All this isF from top of my head, but I always considered that an incomplete or bad3 answer is better to a newbie that no answer at all.r   D. -- d Compaq Computer (Schweiz) GmbH! berlandstrasse 1, 8600 Dbendorf  GSM: +41 79 7054670    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:00:28 -0400-- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> I Subject: Re: Remote printing through a Cisco Router and no IP addressing.o- Message-ID: <3B0D847C.C1508442@bellsouth.net>6  O Since he is using VMS 5.3  (yuck...isn't it about time to upgrade?) I sincerelynF doubt that he is using the latest TCPIP stack.. If anything it will be $ UCX  or $Multinet config or something else for TCPWare.   Michael Austin. DBA Consultant  -- been around way too long...     Didier Morandi wrote:    > Stephen Bray wrote:  > >l > ../..wE > > If someone could provide me with a clue on how to setup up remotexI > > printing to either the serial printer or to the workstations that useC4 > > Windows printers, I would greatly appreciate it. >sD > To me, you have two solutions. Either you ask your CISCO expert toI > enable LAT routing and your problem should be solved as if they were no N > CISCO routers, or you buy a (used) DEcserver and you plug the printer to it. >dG > To know if TCP/IP (UCX) is installed, under 5.5 I am not sure, but ifoH > you issue a $ TELNET or an $ FTP, you will see if it prompts or if you > get a DCL error. >rJ > If it prompts you can try a @sys$manager:ucx$config and see if it allowsK > you to start TCP/IP and some other choices. If it does, then you can do aa >n > TCPIP sh conf interface  >pF > to have a look at you IP interface and know its address. All this isH > from top of my head, but I always considered that an incomplete or bad5 > answer is better to a newbie that no answer at all.r >u > D. > --  > Compaq Computer (Schweiz) GmbH# > berlandstrasse 1, 8600 Dbendorf  > GSM: +41 79 7054670l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:18:43 -0400v( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>I Subject: Re: Remote printing through a Cisco Router and no IP addressing.a+ Message-ID: <3B0D96D3.1E95381A@bigfoot.com>   O If  I understand his configuration correctly, it is that he has nothing to plugVP the serial printer into.  LAT is still being bridged, as was the case before.  IP assume this because his "workstations" use Relfection LAT client, and he made noL mention of them not working anymore.  I agree, a used DECserver would be the ticket,  or ifN he 's not too limited on money, a new or used printer with a network interface/ that supports multiple protocols including LAT.    HM   Didier Morandi wrote:k   > Stephen Bray wrote:  > >  > ../..OE > > If someone could provide me with a clue on how to setup up remote0I > > printing to either the serial printer or to the workstations that usec4 > > Windows printers, I would greatly appreciate it. >tD > To me, you have two solutions. Either you ask your CISCO expert toI > enable LAT routing and your problem should be solved as if they were noVN > CISCO routers, or you buy a (used) DEcserver and you plug the printer to it. >VG > To know if TCP/IP (UCX) is installed, under 5.5 I am not sure, but ifOH > you issue a $ TELNET or an $ FTP, you will see if it prompts or if you > get a DCL error. >=J > If it prompts you can try a @sys$manager:ucx$config and see if it allowsK > you to start TCP/IP and some other choices. If it does, then you can do a0 >0 > TCPIP sh conf interface  > F > to have a look at you IP interface and know its address. All this isH > from top of my head, but I always considered that an incomplete or bad5 > answer is better to a newbie that no answer at all.d >: > D. > --  > Compaq Computer (Schweiz) GmbH# > berlandstrasse 1, 8600 Dbendorf3 > GSM: +41 79 70546704   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 06:30:35 +02007, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>I Subject: Re: Remote printing through a Cisco Router and no IP addressing. & Message-ID: <3B0DDFEC.1C4AAA91@gmx.ch>   Michael Austin wrote:0 > Q > Since he is using VMS 5.3  (yuck...isn't it about time to upgrade?) I sincerely H > doubt that he is using the latest TCPIP stack.. If anything it will be > $ UCX   F > > To know if TCP/IP (UCX) is installed, under 5.5 I am not sure, but                        ^^^  
 1. I said UCX2) 2. UCX *is* TCP/IP under a different name7 3. upgrade? yes.   D.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:21:22 +0000 (UTC)  From: to_infinity@mail.ru Y Subject: Serious offer. This is not ordinary offer as many in Internet. The New Way In Yot- Message-ID: <9ejjf2$oeo$1703@relay2.kazan.ru>    Hello, Dear Friend!t  K Serious offer for You here. This is not ordinary offer as many in Internet.o  $ Would You like to improve Your life?$ Do You have financial difficulties?!! Do You want to change Your life?!l You need to come here!!!# Here the New Way will open for You!-  I Please visit http://paladin.hotmail.ru . The New Way In Your Life Here!!!yH You will not regret! Welcome to World Exclusive Club. This is not usual ) light-minded offer on Internet. Check it!    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:05:35 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>Y Subject: Re: Serious offer. This is not ordinary offer as many in Internet. The New Way I < Message-ID: <3YcP6.3620$zl5.1235154@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  & <to_infinity@mail.ru> wrote in message' news:9ejjf2$oeo$1703@relay2.kazan.ru...0 >0 > Hello, Dear Friend!0 >CC > Serious offer for You here. This is not ordinary offer as many inr	 Internet.  >n& > Would You like to improve Your life?& > Do You have financial difficulties?!# > Do You want to change Your life?!  > You need to come here!!!% > Here the New Way will open for You!   8 So where's the offer for a $1K AlphaStation running VMS?   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2001 04:39:43 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>& Subject: Re: Standalone Backup VMS 6.2- Message-ID: <87ofsiiir4.fsf@prep.synonet.com>4  , "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:  / > <steven.reece@quintiles.com> wrote in message D > news:OFBE7D86F7.7B3172D1-ON80256A56.00353603@qedi.quintiles.com...  D > > If you copy SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DCLTABLES.EXE from your "running"D > > system disk to the same directory and name on the alternate disk > > you should be sorted.   D > Or if the new MOUNT.CLD is lying around in SYS$UPDATE, you can SET
 > COMMAND it.8  @ > > One of the patches which you have applied to your system has< > > altered the image that sits behind MOUNT and its command  > > definition in DCLTABLES.EXE.  F > POLICY is to do with shadowing, so I guess it's one of the shadowingC > ECOs.  Retrofit patches, I don't know why Compaq makes them, it's0" > not like anyone asks for them ;)  F It is part of the sort of fix for the  mount of death error. IE, mount8 the wrong disk into a shadow set, and pow! it's gone. :(  D Sort of fix? Well, it only stops you from screwing up if you use the
 switch...    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:43:10 +1000f- From: "Dick Adams" <adams.dick.rc@bhp.com.au>t& Subject: Re: Standalone Backup VMS 6.24 Message-ID: <9ek9ur$rs2$1@gossamer.itmel.bhp.com.au>  ? Thanks to those of you who have contributed here, and by email.   H Since posting I have found out most of what has been discussed here. TwoL MOUNT patches have been applied. ALPMOUN04 and ALPMOUN05, both contain fixesH for the MOUNT command. The kit for the most recent patch is still on theK system and when I list the save set it shows MOUNT.CLD as one of the files.tJ This file contains the correct syntax for the MOUNT image currently on theF system, but, SYS$UPDATE contains a MOUNT.CLD dated 1993. The procedureI AXPVMS$PCSI_INSTALL_MIN.COM recreates DCLTABLES.EXE, presumably using theyI CLD files in SYS$UPDATE but the intallation of the patch did not copy thelL MOUNT.CLD to SYS$UPDATE and so was not available when DCLTABLES was created.  L Two possible solutions, extract the new MOUNT.CLD file and SET COMMAND usingL it when I boot standalone, or, copy DCLTABLES.EXE to the SABKUP device. I amE going to try the second, as other commands may be affected by similar J problems and by doing this I hope to avoid further trouble of this nature.     Dick  6 Dick Adams <adams.dick.rc@bhp.com.au> wrote in message. news:9ei0m0$7n1$1@gossamer.itmel.bhp.com.au... > Hi,nL >     I look after several Alphas running OpenVMS 6.2 and have always bootedL > from the CD when performing backups on the system disks. A recent HardwareJ > failure saw us loading up the latest firmware, but now I can't boot from theEH > CD, it starts booting but a few minutes into the process it resets and gives 3 > an error "Machine BUGCHECK while in kernel mode".R >_H >     I got out the 6.2 Upgrade and installation manual and followed theA > instructions in appendix B for creating an Alternate boot Disk.C >O >     So far so good.o > K >     After shutting down and booting from the Alternate Disk I get the $$$D5 > prompt. When I try and issue a MOUNT command I get:t' > %CLI-F-SYNTAX, error parsing 'POLICY'  > -CLI-E-ENTNF >0 >     So far no good.2 > G >     I have been able to boot from a VMS 7.21 CD but haven't tried any L > commands like MOUNT, I also have the 7.1-2 CD but haven't tried it at all. >R >     My questions are:eJ >     1)    Is there some simple fix (or even an explanation) for my MOUNT" > problem when booting standalone? >DF >     2)    If the 7.21 CD enables me to issue commands, will an Image backupJ > of a 6.2 system using 7.21 backup be restorable and usable under 6.2? (IK > have seen the discussion on BACKUP /ALIAS etc but don't really understand0 > which qualifier to use). >P >T > TIAp
 >     Dick >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:16:52 -0400$' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> 8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants( Message-ID: <9ejmj8$t8e$1@pyrite.mv.net>  - "Paul Sture" <paul@sture.ch> wrote in message % news:VA.000003a2.771d6e9a@sture.ch...0C > In article <3B0BD301.D02EFD8F@uk.sun.com>, Andrew harrison wrote:    ...   A > > I am refering to the ability to take say a filesystem mounted G > > on a logical volume that is for example one whole disk, add another @ > > disk to the logical volume to make the logical volume larger; > > and then to make the filesystem grow into the new space4* > > without taking the filesystem offline. > > J > As David pointed out, this ability has been there in VMS "since forever"  K And as I pointed out, it hasn't:  Andrew's example above is pretty close tolI what VMS provides, but doesn't begin to cover the flexibility that VMS ise missing.  G It's hard to understand how a bunch of otherwise apparently intelligentl% people can be so blind on this issue.r  E If concatenated volume sets were so great, why did VMS even bother to J support striping?  The answer is that the latter distributes load far moreH effectively than the former in most cases - leaving aside the redundancyB features that RAID offers and concatenation does not (at least forA parity-based redundancy - I suppose you might be able to create a ) concatenated set out of mirrored drives)..  K The ability to expand a RAID (and the file system living on it) in a manner E that preserves the performance and redundancy benefits of striping is.K significantly superior to the ability to add a volume to a VMS-style volumer set.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:37:06 -0500 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>h8 Subject: RE: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variantsR Message-ID: <DC4745D1A85CA04180C83CDC706A9D180D9630@cthexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Bill,0  K When you add a volume in a bound-volume set, who is to say that the currentcG and new volumes can not be a HW RAID5 volumes that have, for example, 6lH physical drives spread over 6 seprate scsi buses ? Perhaps there is alsoF write back and mirrored caches on the controllers (yes, with Batt BU).  L From an OpenVMS perspective, these are just standalone drives being added to an existing bound-volume set.t  L For some scenario's, things are better done in the OS. For other situations,L things are better done outside the OS. For some situations, a mix of both is best.e   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantt Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services- Voice: 613-592-4660y Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----, From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@foo.mv.com] Sent: May 24, 2001 3:17 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants      - "Paul Sture" <paul@sture.ch> wrote in messageM% news:VA.000003a2.771d6e9a@sture.ch... C > In article <3B0BD301.D02EFD8F@uk.sun.com>, Andrew harrison wrote:e   ..  A > > I am refering to the ability to take say a filesystem mounted G > > on a logical volume that is for example one whole disk, add another @ > > disk to the logical volume to make the logical volume larger; > > and then to make the filesystem grow into the new space * > > without taking the filesystem offline. > > J > As David pointed out, this ability has been there in VMS "since forever"  K And as I pointed out, it hasn't:  Andrew's example above is pretty close tosI what VMS provides, but doesn't begin to cover the flexibility that VMS ism missing.  G It's hard to understand how a bunch of otherwise apparently intelligente% people can be so blind on this issue.A  E If concatenated volume sets were so great, why did VMS even bother to J support striping?  The answer is that the latter distributes load far moreH effectively than the former in most cases - leaving aside the redundancyB features that RAID offers and concatenation does not (at least forA parity-based redundancy - I suppose you might be able to create a ) concatenated set out of mirrored drives).r  K The ability to expand a RAID (and the file system living on it) in a mannernE that preserves the performance and redundancy benefits of striping is K significantly superior to the ability to add a volume to a VMS-style volume  set.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2001 15:43:19 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)i8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants3 Message-ID: <axSR7RAZW9WS@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  R In article <9ejmj8$t8e$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:  G > If concatenated volume sets were so great, why did VMS even bother topL > support striping?  The answer is that the latter distributes load far moreJ > effectively than the former in most cases - leaving aside the redundancyD > features that RAID offers and concatenation does not (at least forC > parity-based redundancy - I suppose you might be able to create ar+ > concatenated set out of mirrored drives).:  I No, the answer is that for _some_ cases (those where a single application3G is maxing out disk access) striping wins, but only for large transfers.eH That is why striping is a less popular product that shadowing, clusters, etc.  @ Granted, for those particular applications striping is critical,B but I would venture to say that on the Sun system I acccess (eBay)E there is no locality of reference in my usage (all entries containinge the string DWZZA).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:05:50 -0400u' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> 8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants( Message-ID: <9ejpf2$1qr$1@pyrite.mv.net>  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message- news:axSR7RAZW9WS@eisner.encompasserve.org...oL > In article <9ejmj8$t8e$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:n >nI > > If concatenated volume sets were so great, why did VMS even bother toiI > > support striping?  The answer is that the latter distributes load fard moreL > > effectively than the former in most cases - leaving aside the redundancyF > > features that RAID offers and concatenation does not (at least forE > > parity-based redundancy - I suppose you might be able to create a0- > > concatenated set out of mirrored drives).n > K > No, the answer is that for _some_ cases (those where a single application I > is maxing out disk access) striping wins, but only for large transfers.   H Incorrect:  it also distributes transfers of *all* sizes from *all* yourG concurrently-executing applications effectively, whereas when you add a L volume to a concatenated set all you get initially is additional space - theL performance isn't improved at all, and only gradually takes advantage of the% new physical drive as you fill it up.d  J > That is why striping is a less popular product that shadowing, clusters, > etc.  G Striping *with* shadowing is quite popular, as is striped, parity-baseda@ redundancy (typically RAID-5) in read-mostly (or large-write, or& performance-insensitive) environments.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:09:57 -0400o' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> 8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants( Message-ID: <9ejpmt$22i$1@pyrite.mv.net>  6 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote in messageL news:DC4745D1A85CA04180C83CDC706A9D180D9630@cthexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net... > Bill,  > E > When you add a volume in a bound-volume set, who is to say that theo currentyI > and new volumes can not be a HW RAID5 volumes that have, for example, 6PJ > physical drives spread over 6 seprate scsi buses ? Perhaps there is alsoH > write back and mirrored caches on the controllers (yes, with Batt BU). >aK > From an OpenVMS perspective, these are just standalone drives being addedr to > an existing bound-volume set.:  K *If* you set it up that way in the first place.  And *if* you really needed:I that much more space (it's a lot coarser granularity than adding a single K drive to the existing RAID).  And *if* you didn't need more performance for.* the existing data (see response to Larry).  H It's always possible to construct situations where a given feature isn'tH useful.  The appropriate question to ask is how common situations are in which it *is* useful.r   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:09:18 +0100m- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>i8 Subject: Re: The Internet, Tru64 and other unix variants1 Message-ID: <3B0D403E.C425F800@BlueBubble.UK.Com>u   William_Bochnik@acml.com wrote:  > A > If I remember correctly, bound volumes need to be dismounted to A > add to them.  Some of the limitations of VMS can be overcome byt$ > logicals and logical search lists.    @ Nope, bound volume sets can be added to on the fly without first dismounting them.e    A > This whole discussion sounds like they're complaining about onep? > shortcoming of VMS by pointing out one thing it only does ok. C > How about other things like, oh I dont know, autoconfiguration ofy; > devices at boot time - something VMS has had for DECADES.i  < As Larry K. points out, VMS has had this (bound volume sets)? since at least 1982.  All this is just making Andrew look silly = (again and again and again ...)  Clearly Andrew just does noti know VMS at all.  	 Roy Omondo Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:58:23 GMTn, From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth)5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?y1 Message-ID: <slrn9gqmef.e4b.jra@dorothy.msas.net>r  ? *Right* in the middle of the appendectomy, David Schmitt turned     to Hawkeye and me and said:J > Remember that a wye xformer is fed a single sine wave: the crest rotatesJ > around the legs of the wye, giving you the A-B-C phase legs, 120 degreesL > apart, and the neutral hub. One critical piece of protective equipment forK > 3-phase computer systems not protected by a UPS is a phase-rotation faultcI > detector. If you lose one leg of the wye, it's supposed to pop the maint. > protective disconnector to protect the load.  B And there's a possible solution for the gent right there.  Doesn'tF anyone manufacture a UPS with 208 3 phase output, and 240 single phaseG input?  It would have to be continuous, obviously, but I don't see thatP that's a real problem.   Cheers,e -- jra --  N Jay R. Ashworth                                                jra@baylink.com) Member of the Technical Staff     Baylinko/ The Suncoast Freenet         The Things I ThinknN Tampa Bay, Florida        http://baylink.pitas.com             +1 727 804 5015  L    OS/X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:14:54 GMTi, From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth)5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?y1 Message-ID: <slrn9gqndc.e4b.jra@dorothy.msas.net>.  < *Right* in the middle of the appendectomy, Alan Greig turned    to Hawkeye and me and said:F > I'm fairly sure the electricity regulations laws require three-phaseC > supplies to be provided to anyone, where practical, if asked for.   B And indeed, that was roughly the reply I got when I called the newE service department at Florida Power just now.  The nice lady tells meaE that she sees no regulatory restrictions on where 3-phase service maytA be provisioned; she assumes that it would merely be a question ofa whether it was cost effective. e  B She offered to connect me to an engineer, but it didn't seem worth taking the time at this point.   Cheers,t -- jra -- rN Jay R. Ashworth                                                jra@baylink.com) Member of the Technical Staff     Baylinke/ The Suncoast Freenet         The Things I ThinkfN Tampa Bay, Florida        http://baylink.pitas.com             +1 727 804 5015  L    OS/X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2001 18:18:55 GMT% From: omtsalvage@aol.com (OMTSalvage)r Subject: VAX boards FS: Message-ID: <20010524141855.25390.00001051@ng-ck1.aol.com>  K I have a large number of boards that I'm currently looking to sell, at well L below dealer prices. A complete list of them, along with other items, can be	 found at:r  $ http://www.omtsalvage.com/stock.html   -Chris   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:58:41 +0200c, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>& Subject: Re: VMS doc site master index& Message-ID: <3B0D67F1.FA406711@gmx.ch>  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: >  > Consistancy. >  > ShaneY  B Now that I work for COMPAQ... I forward your request, Mr Customer.   D. --   Compaq Computer (Schweiz) GmbH! berlandstrasse 1, 8600 Dbendorfn GSM: +41 79 7054670    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:11:40 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>eN Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc0 Message-ID: <3B0D40CC.C40A346@BlueBubble.UK.Com>   Patrick Keogh wrote:  G > The most unusual I ever worked on was the Mt. Stromlo & Siding Spring 6 > Observatory 2.3 metre Advanced Technology Telescope.L > The computer was an 11/780, and most of the interfacing was via DZ-11s and7 > DR-11s. The telescope was "properly" interfaced, withoI > the console being two VT-100s using SMG routines, and a full set of DCL 1 > definitions, so you could type funky stuff likek >     $ set building/lights=offaI >     $ set building/rotate  ! and the three storey building would rotate>& >     $ track /ra=42/dec=16/avoid=moon   Now that's what I call *cool* !c  	 Roy Omonda Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2001 11:57:37 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>N Subject: Re: VMS Engineering and fun/unusual hardware, was: Re: Multimedia Doc- Message-ID: <87zoc2f5ce.fsf@prep.synonet.com>D  * Patrick Keogh <pkeogh@au1.ibm.com> writes:    E > Rather than thinking of it as a telescope with a computer attached,TA > I always thought of it as a computer with a neat peripheral :-)L  C Was it Stromlo that had the 11/23 controlling the pointing? And theS, UPS that made itself famous over a week-end?   -- p< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:08:14 -0000.- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)m Subject: Re: VMS<->RSTSp/ Message-ID: <tgqjgerqctvva1@news.supernews.com>p  / bill@cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote inr" <9ejgn7$1200$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>:   
 -- snip -- >.D >And before this wanders too far, it is not the RSTS system that hasG >the problem.  It is the VMS system.  Monitoring the network shows that F >the RSTS machine is happily trying to contact the VMS machine but theG >VMS machine never answers and also when a SET HOST is attempted on thenE >VMS machine, it bives up almost immediately claiming the remote nodeAB >is unreachable and it does this without ever transmiting a singleE >packet on the net.  And yet, Multinet is working perfectly so I knowt >it is not an ethernet problem.m  J If no packets are sent on the network, I'd suspect a DECNet configuration L issue, such as the host name not existing in the NCP database, or a routing  issue.   ws   --  1 << Marriage is Grand.  Divorce is Fifty Grand. >>    Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:56:06 GMTm( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> Subject: Re: VMS<->RSTS ' Message-ID: <GDv99I.HFF@spcuna.spc.edu>r  3 Bill Gunshannon <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> writes:tE > And before this wanders too far, it is not the RSTS system that hasIH > the problem.  It is the VMS system.  Monitoring the network shows thatG > the RSTS machine is happily trying to contact the VMS machine but theuH > VMS machine never answers and also when a SET HOST is attempted on theF > VMS machine, it bives up almost immediately claiming the remote nodeC > is unreachable and it does this without ever transmiting a singleFF > packet on the net.  And yet, Multinet is working perfectly so I know  > it is not an ethernet problem.  G   Ok. Are you using DECnet Phase IV or V on the VAX system? Phase IV isdD pretty easy to deal with. Usually a simple NETCONFIG will give you a working configuration.  I   Note that by default VMS and RSTS/E don't have a DECnet remote terminaleG protocol in common. In order to connect from VMS to RSTS/E, you need toVE use the [undocumented] SET HOST/OLD on VMS. To connect from RSTS/E toeE VMS, you need to copy NETUNS.TSK to NET.TSK (IIRC) on the RSTS/E box.e  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAg   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:20:39 +0200 , From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>6 Subject: Re: XP-1000 Machine check - what does it mean& Message-ID: <3B0D6D18.2768A819@gmx.ch>   MrSignor wrote:  >  > Hello,L >    My XP1000 has recently started crashing. Please excuse my ignorance but1 >    what does the following crash info tell me ?h- >    I believe Machine check means hardware ?   A Yep. A machine check is a hardware failure (unless it has changede< recently). Forget about the dump and call the Field Service.   D. -- c Compaq Computer (Schweiz) GmbH! berlandstrasse 1, 8600 Dbendorfo GSM: +41 79 7054670S   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 02:00:30 GMT 3 From: "MrSignor" <MrSignor@nospam_bellatlantic.net> 6 Subject: Re: XP-1000 Machine check - what does it mean8 Message-ID: <21jP6.5986$%X5.1906994@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net>   BTW7  -    I did read a note from DSN today that saidi  3    A Machine Check is NOT always a hardware failureo  - ============================================= 9 "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> wrote in messagec  news:3B0D6D18.2768A819@gmx.ch... > MrSignor wrote:t > >i
 > > Hello,J > >    My XP1000 has recently started crashing. Please excuse my ignorance butn3 > >    what does the following crash info tell me ?n/ > >    I believe Machine check means hardware ?  >eC > Yep. A machine check is a hardware failure (unless it has changed > > recently). Forget about the dump and call the Field Service. >f > D. > --  > Compaq Computer (Schweiz) GmbH# > berlandstrasse 1, 8600 Dbendorf  > GSM: +41 79 7054670    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:40:10 -0400 3 From: "Brad McCusker" <Brad.McCuskerSP@Mcompaq.com>:0 Subject: Re: [PATHWORKS-32] What is the future ?2 Message-ID: <QDjP6.725$fi2.16608@news.cpqcorp.net>  7 "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in messages$ news:3b0a6a20$1@news.kapsch.co.at... >3% > So, that leads to another question:< >B@ > When can we expect OpenVMS Registry and DCOM and OpenVMS VAX ? >rL > Or in other words, how likely is the Advanced Server (in its current form)L > on OpenVMS VAX ? Or what changes will be in ASOVMS to run on OpenVMS VAX ? >u  I What we are considering doing with Advanced Server (making it run on VAX)w has nothing J to do with the Registry or COM.  The fact that there is no registry on VAX would be overcomehJ by some sort of pseudo registry, which, by the way we basically have right now (its calledoI the LANMAN.INI file).  There would be less functionality on VAX - the onel
 that jumpsJ to mind is the SPOOLSS pipe (aka NT Print Manager support).  But it really wouldn't belK a loss of functionality becuase the functionality doesn't exist now on VAX.   G How likely is this?  Who knows... Our first focus is on performance ands scalability.  Lets get that stuff delivered first.l   Brad     --( The opinions expressed herein are my own' and do not reflect those of my employert or anyone else.(   Brad   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:03:52 +0200o, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>+ Subject: Re: [Q] DCL minute of the week-ende% Message-ID: <3B0D6929.AD549E2@gmx.ch>e  " "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" wrote: >  > $ HELP instr[uctions]f > % >  is something shorter as example :)l  E Life is sometimes hard. Now that I'm back home, I "may" post but I do-B not have any VMS under the hand, and the Swiss power plugs are notH compatible with my French plug and my COMPAQ Presario/CHARON-VAX run out of battery, and and and...  @ Okay, I bring back my two MicroVAX from Toulouse to Zrich and IH subscribe to the hobbiyst^H^H^H hobyisst aubi@#%$* machin truc program.   :-)o   D. -- e Compaq Computer (Schweiz) GmbH! berlandstrasse 1, 8600 Dbendorfa GSM: +41 79 7054670t   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.287 ************************