1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 26 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 289       Contents: Re: 7.3 kits Re: 7.3 kits Re: 7.3 kits Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations ( Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS?( Announcing the Spring 2001 VMS SIG Tapes Authorize in a procedure...  Re: Authorize in a procedure...  Re: backup to CD Re: Backup to CD?  Re: Backup to CD? 1 Re: Compaq UK drive Alphserver customers to Intel ! DCPS 2.0 and Tektronix Phaser 740  DLT SBB Flex Cable Re: DLT SBB Flex Cable Re: DLT SBB Flex Cable? Re: DNS questions 1:M host_name:host_address (address ordering) ? Do You Have Paper Business Cards. Check Out Jamie's Online Card ) DOMAIN NAMES $1.95  (REGISTER OR RENEWAL)   HSDSA Scrip in a Batch Procedure# Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname # Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname # Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname < Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname - and VMS, too...oh, my!< Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname - and VMS, too...oh, my! In need of spare 7.3 doc kit Re: Microsoft and Lockeed  Re: Microsoft and Lockeed " Re: POSIX threads and word tearingD Re: Presentation Collateral From VMS Technical Update Days in LondonD Re: Presentation Collateral From VMS Technical Update Days in LondonD Re: Presentation Collateral From VMS Technical Update Days in LondonD Re: Presentation Collateral From VMS Technical Update Days in London Rambus loses another one Re: Rambus loses another one+ Re: Reinstalling Backup patch on 7.2 system + Re: Reinstalling Backup patch on 7.2 system ' Re: VMS 7.2 BACKUP damaging system disk & Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware question  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:46:44 -0500 (CDT) & From: Drew Shelton <drew@sematech.org> Subject: Re: 7.3 kits - Message-ID: <01K3ZEJCY8G8003YG6@SEMATECH.Org>   D I got the manuals on Wednesday, but I still don't have the software.   Drew  L ============================================================================6 Drew Shelton                         drew@sematech.org9 VMS Systems Manager                  office: 512-356-7575 9 Sematech                             fax:    512-356-7600  2706 Montopolis Drive K Austin, TX 78741-6499                I speak for myself only, not Sematech. B     "OpenVMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT v8.0 to be!"I                                                         - Compaq, 9/22/98 L ============================================================================  ] >In article <9em0mk$shb$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "Kenneth Randell" <kenr@datametrics.com> writes: 
 >>Hello -- >>H >>> you, then, have a different set of manuals to me. The Sun monitor is >>visible on theL >>> manuals I have as well as the box. Admittedly, you have to look hard and >>know >>> what a Sun logo is.  >>M >>What I meant to say was that the 'DEC' looking monitor on the manual covers < >>was missing.  I think we received the same set of manuals. >>
 >>Ken Randell    >Ken,   2 >When did you get your V7.3???  I'm still waiting.   >-- P >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             P >city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:37:02 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: 7.3 kits L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2505011937020001@user-2iveb6m.dialup.mindspring.com>  = In article <9elvk0$o0l$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "Kenneth Randell"  <kenr@datametrics.com> wrote:   L > I got my kit today.  The picture on the box is slightly different than the > one on the manuals.   M > In both cases, as previously mentioned, the Sun logo on the workstations is M > clearly visible.  Not to mention them running some type of GUI application.   G I assume Sun will sue Compaq for trademark violation.  It will probably J cost Compaq a fair piece of change.  Not to mention the adverse publicity.  I If Compaq's lawyers are as bad as their marketeers, Sun will probably win G a cease and desist order, and force Compaq to stop shipping the product  until it can be repackaged.   % Some days, Compaq just makes me sick.    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 22:28:05 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: 7.3 kits ' Message-ID: <3B0F22C5.AF06B0F6@fsi.net>    Robert Deininger wrote:  > ? > In article <9elvk0$o0l$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "Kenneth Randell"  > <kenr@datametrics.com> wrote:  > N > > I got my kit today.  The picture on the box is slightly different than the > > one on the manuals.  > O > > In both cases, as previously mentioned, the Sun logo on the workstations is O > > clearly visible.  Not to mention them running some type of GUI application.  > I > I assume Sun will sue Compaq for trademark violation.  It will probably L > cost Compaq a fair piece of change.  Not to mention the adverse publicity. > K > If Compaq's lawyers are as bad as their marketeers, Sun will probably win I > a cease and desist order, and force Compaq to stop shipping the product  > until it can be repackaged.  > ' > Some days, Compaq just makes me sick.    *HEARTFELT SIGH*  B Y'know what? Not only am I gonna look into that job on the garbageC truck, I'm gonna start reading some of the spam I get about MLM and B other "scams". This could doom OVMS permanently, at least from the perspective of one like myself.   B Then again, if this gets OVMS some press, it may actually have theG effect of accomplishing the task of getting OVMS some exposure, without H that coming directly out of the Q's marketing budget (i.e., petty cash).   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2001 01:10:39 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations- Message-ID: <87u229fj74.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> writes:   I > Yes, it also then leads to statements from Rick Marcello that licensing H > costs should not be made an issue.  If there is reason to adjust theseL > prices that Compaq should do so.  To some extent we have seen them do thisK > on the modification of the licensing price on low end OpenVMS clustering.   J If I was about to shove out a low end VMS Alpha, you could have any configE you like as long as it was unlimited VMS, full clustering, networking 7 shadowing, and RMS journalling. IE full 'base product'.   B So they stick 400 users on it? great, they will be back for a DS20 that much sooner...   N > So this being the case it would sound like the need to be develop a businessL > plan which could be sold by OpenVMS Marketing to the rest of Compaq on theL > reason to have lower priced licenses in the "system space", as well as the# > viability of the volume of sales.   L > The application developers then have to have the commitment to do the sameH > thing, price the licenses on low end systems like they should be to beL > competitive.  A license for $1,000 for something which can only be used byG > one person a workstation makes no sense if the same application (by a I > different or even the same vendor) on a PC is licensed at $300 makes no  > sense.  E I'd add a rider, anthing M$ does, we do for 90%. Thats 90% of full M$ > retail list. And that is NOT cheap when you get the seat costsE up. Plus all the stuff that is on the billygouge plan, that is out of F the box with VMS. That's function to function, not product to product.  E > Don't get me wrong, I truly would like to see a GOOD low end system D > just as much as any of you.  It is just that the cost of licensingC > the development environment should not be seen as a justification F > for the cost of the product.  If someone is not working closely withF > Compaq then they may not know of these discounts and programs - MORE1 > MARKETING! (Where have we heard that before...)   E CSA must be draped in some special cloak of invisibility. I've worked 4 in many places that did SCADA type stuff, and it was= horrid. Everything was done on the machines that went out the D door. There was never a chance to get a good development environmentA together, and when the stuff did go out, it was often well out of F date, as it had been bought on day zero. CSA would have been a godsend& then, and I doubt it has changed much.  F But, no one has heard of it, almost, and when they do, they don't seem to see anything in it!!    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:43:14 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com ( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS WorkstationsD Message-ID: <OFECAA38CF.DAB89198-ON88256A57.006C1ECD@foundation.com>  K Tell that to Microsoft, that's what they're basing some of their current TV K ads on here. Well, two out of three. Apparently even the Redmond Borg don't = have the nerve to base a major campaign on Windows' security.    Shane           B Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> on 05/24/2001 07:40:43 PM  : Please respond to Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   ) Subject:  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations      Terry C. Shannon wrote:  >  > > H > > Why spend $1K on a bare system, when you can spend the same $1K on a= > > Wintel platform, and get a completely operating computer?  > = > Reliability, stability, and security might be good reasons.   D They're great reasons... For you, me, and most of the people reading this newsgroup...   G But alas, they're not the greatest things a advertising agency wants to & build an ad campaign around.... (sigh)         --  G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my 	 employer.     H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:47:56 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations' Message-ID: <3B0EB6EC.FE3F9287@fsi.net>    Paul Repacholi wrote:  > [snip] > CSA would have been a godsend ( > then, and I doubt it has changed much. > H > But, no one has heard of it, almost, and when they do, they don't seem > to see anything in it!!   , Probably for the reasons we've heard before:  F If no one can afford the platform for your app., why develop it? Who's
 gonna buy it?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2001 02:49:14 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations- Message-ID: <874ru9femt.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   6 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  A > "David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in message ( > news:9em2va$mjk@gap.cco.caltech.edu...  : > > By the way, my money's on AMD.  The real x86 backwardsB > > compatibility built into the Hammer should let it run existingD > > apps while simultaneously > adding new 64 bit ones.  Conversely,F > > the Itanic's 32 bit performance is so bad that that strategy won'tD > > work there.  And since software availability is half the battle,? > > the upgrade path to Hammer should be easier than the one to  > > Itanic.   : And AMD and Transmeta have just got cozzy over the Hammer.  B > Amen. And just think, if Itanium slipped (yet another) year, andD > Hammer came out as per original schedule, plenty of ISVs might see> > the light and use Hammer vice Itanium as their 64b reference > platform.   B Terry, the stupid thing has been in free fall since late 95. It is@ almost *6* years. If they wanted to go Intel, it was on a plate.A FUD merced/x86 at every turn, and push Alpha to the limit. The SW C engineering people could have pissed an OS in that time. (less than C VMS V1 to clusters!) Not that I can see any reson why you would. Or  at least not for that market.   D > The Hammer value proposition seems sound to me. Which could be oneC > reason why Intel itself is doing 64b extensions to IA32 in one of " > their skunk works out in Oregon.  G Well, on past historical track record, that one should work, sort of...    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:02:44 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations& Message-ID: <3B0EBA64.1FFDEC9@fsi.net>  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > M > Tell that to Microsoft, that's what they're basing some of their current TV M > ads on here. Well, two out of three. Apparently even the Redmond Borg don't ? > have the nerve to base a major campaign on Windows' security.   ? Rightly so - much too easy target for a false advertising suit.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:05:22 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com ( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS WorkstationsD Message-ID: <OFCB6410E7.70069AAA-ON88256A57.006D2EA1@foundation.com>  F Now here's a hell of an idea. How about Compaq putting a clause in theJ hobbyist licence that if somebody wants to sell something they wrote underA hobbyist, they have to pay royalties to Compaq? Someone can start K developing speculatively with far less initial outlay, and still have a way E to profit from it later.  Compaq can recoup the missing licence costs G through the royalties on successful products, and from additional sales = they make due to the additional applications being available.   J That seems to me to be a win/win situation. Hey, Compaq! Fancy giving it a try?   Shane           9 Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> on 05/25/2001 01:20:38 AM   1 Please respond to Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   ) Subject:  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations     7 On Thu, 24 May 2001 11:49:37 -0500, "David J. Dachtera"  <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:    G >Mightn't Compaq's legal folks look cock-eyed at an ISV who purchases a H >set of commercial licenses, then in less than, oh, 60 days or so, comesF >forward with an offering that obviously involved several man-years of >effort?  E They might but that's better than not looking cock-eyed at no ISV nottC purchasing a commercial license and not bringing forth a VMS app 60r days later!o  ; The CSA program would probably be of interest here as well.e   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:55:12 -0400m  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations6 Message-ID: <1010525165843.44884A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  6 On Fri, 25 May 2001 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:   > H > Now here's a hell of an idea. How about Compaq putting a clause in theL > hobbyist licence that if somebody wants to sell something they wrote underC > hobbyist, they have to pay royalties to Compaq? Someone can startcM > developing speculatively with far less initial outlay, and still have a wayeG > to profit from it later.  Compaq can recoup the missing licence costslI > through the royalties on successful products, and from additional salesd? > they make due to the additional applications being available.e > L > That seems to me to be a win/win situation. Hey, Compaq! Fancy giving it a > try? >  > Shane   G I think they should have a cap on the royalties, to something like what E you would have spent for full (CSA) licenses + (CSA) maintenance from D the time you installed the hobbyist license + 10-25%.  Once you wereE selling stuff and had hit the cap, you could join CSA and pay a fixed,B price per year instead of an open-end royalty.  If you only have aD small market, you can continue to pay the royalties instead.  If youE have a huge market, you can buy out and Compaq will make it up on theED millions of dollars worth of hardware and software they will sell to your customers.w  > This would lower the risks for low-end developers (i.e. people> developing software in their spare time on a personal system),, but make it legal to sell what they produce.  ; BTW, am I correct that it is okay to develop and distributen= freeware under a hobbyist license?  It only seems to prohibitB developing apps for resale.o  ; > Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> on 05/25/2001 01:20:38 AMd > 3 > Please respond to Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comy > cc:h > + > Subject:  Re: Affordable VMS Workstationsa >  > 9 > On Thu, 24 May 2001 11:49:37 -0500, "David J. Dachtera",  > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: >  > I > >Mightn't Compaq's legal folks look cock-eyed at an ISV who purchases aiJ > >set of commercial licenses, then in less than, oh, 60 days or so, comesH > >forward with an offering that obviously involved several man-years of
 > >effort? > G > They might but that's better than not looking cock-eyed at no ISV not E > purchasing a commercial license and not bringing forth a VMS app 60d
 > days later!l > = > The CSA program would probably be of interest here as well.  >  > -- > Alan   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 00:37:46 +0200 . From: "Marc Van Dyck" <marc.vandyck@skynet.be>( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations4 Message-ID: <3b0ede3c$0$185$456d72a3@news.skynet.be>  L "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> a crit dans le message news:1 Oh9P6.3083$zl5.1182720@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...  > I > Good point. But in the interim, if I had any intention of developing an J > OpenVMS app for commercial use, I'd use the Hobbyist License for initialL > development, then go out and buy the commercial OS kit when I was ready to > launch my product. >   H Or, rather than cheating, request Compaq to become member of the 'CompaqL Solutions Alliance', which offers you all licences you need to develop for a? symbolic price, and even discounted hardware if you wish so ...a   Marc.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 20:19:28 -04004# From: Paul DeMone <pdemone@igs.net>p( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations' Message-ID: <3B0EF690.52B2F7D9@igs.net>m   David Mathog wrote:  [...]rL > By the way, my money's on AMD.  The real x86 backwards compatibility builtM > into the Hammer should let it run existing apps while simultaneously addingd > new 64 bit ones.  =  Why don't you go off and run some benchmarks on a Hammer and 4  when you are done come back and tell us how it was.  7 > Conversely, the Itanic's 32 bit performance is so badsJ > that that strategy won't work there.  And since software availability isK > half the battle, the upgrade path to Hammer should be easier than the oneh > to Itanic.  B  According to those in the know, merced's x86 performance is aboutC  at a 75% equivalency level to a P6 core in terms of clock rate. SotC  an 800 MHz merced is roughly equivalent to a PIII/600. No one will D  buy merced to primarily run x86 binaries but that performance levelC  is perfectly acceptable for personal productivity apps like OfficetD  and Notes. Heck, people rave about being able to run PC software on$  a K6 card in their Sun workstation.     --D Paul W. DeMone       The 801 experiment SPARCed an ARMs race of EPICE Kanata, Ontario      proportions to put more PRECISION and POWER intotG demone@mosaid.com    architectures with MIPSed results but ALPHA's well $ pdemone@igs.net      that ends well.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2001 19:45:00 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)o( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations3 Message-ID: <46$YOhVwgWzu@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  h In article <OFCB6410E7.70069AAA-ON88256A57.006D2EA1@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes: > H > Now here's a hell of an idea. How about Compaq putting a clause in theL > hobbyist licence that if somebody wants to sell something they wrote under1 > hobbyist, they have to pay royalties to Compaq?c  E Royalty accounting is a painful and expensive process (the accounting-C and the lawyering, not the royalties themselves).  It ties down the  vendor's licensing policies.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 22:34:49 -0500B1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations' Message-ID: <3B0F2459.793C69C7@fsi.net>e  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > H > Now here's a hell of an idea. How about Compaq putting a clause in theL > hobbyist licence that if somebody wants to sell something they wrote underC > hobbyist, they have to pay royalties to Compaq? Someone can startmM > developing speculatively with far less initial outlay, and still have a waygG > to profit from it later.  Compaq can recoup the missing licence costsdI > through the royalties on successful products, and from additional sales ? > they make due to the additional applications being available., > L > That seems to me to be a win/win situation. Hey, Compaq! Fancy giving it a > try? >  > Shane- > ; > Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> on 05/25/2001 01:20:38 AM  > 3 > Please respond to Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComE > cc:A > + > Subject:  Re: Affordable VMS Workstationse > 9 > On Thu, 24 May 2001 11:49:37 -0500, "David J. Dachtera"   > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > I > >Mightn't Compaq's legal folks look cock-eyed at an ISV who purchases atJ > >set of commercial licenses, then in less than, oh, 60 days or so, comesH > >forward with an offering that obviously involved several man-years of
 > >effort? > G > They might but that's better than not looking cock-eyed at no ISV nottE > purchasing a commercial license and not bringing forth a VMS app 60b
 > days later!e > = > The CSA program would probably be of interest here as well.   H When Compaq (or anyone else) shares in my BS&T (Blood, Sweat and Tears),H then - AND *ONLY* THEN - will they (or anyone else) be entitled to share the fruit of my labor.  F Until then, everything else has been bought and paid for - nobody owes anybody ANYTHING!v   -- a David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:06:07 -0400n- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>d1 Subject: Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS?i( Message-ID: <3B0EAD1A.5639F94F@ohio.edu>  Q Not having Altavista/PC, I am not sure of its capabilities.  Perhaps some of themWR would be achieved by using Bruce Tanner's VMSINDEX package, which I have extended, as documentated at  6                 http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/vmsindex/  L This permits Web-searchable index of Web pages found by LYNX, a manual laborN intensive approach if multiple servers need to be included, or if the pages in# question are littered with cookies.n  #                                 RDP      System@Manager.com wrote:   ; > Is there a product similar to Altavista/PC to build a VMSs@ > documents database that could be searched by keywords, please? > Thank you. >A > SM >$Q >  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----KO >   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupsmK >    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts N > made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:00:46 -0400c/ From: Glenn or Mary Everhart <everhart@gce.com>e1 Subject: Announcing the Spring 2001 VMS SIG Tapesc' Message-ID: <3B0EB9EE.9EAEC7F4@gce.com>g   Folks -cA The Spring 2001 sigtape collection has just been sent to the tree2C contacts (top of tree is Dar Schumann (darnkatt@feist.net)) so that-? it can be distributed via the tree of volunteer copiers. As has6B been the case the last several collections, I send out CD-R in VMS format.t   Thanks to all who contributed.  H I will add that the material will be sent this time to the DECUS libraryD in both VMS and ISO 9660 format. It turns out that mkisofs using theB switch to use long filenames preserves long names, and can be readB by VMS, Windows 9x, Linux, and at least some unix variants, which A I believe makes that a decent alternative. The ISO9660 version is0? the same as the VMS one except that I made a single ZIP file ofI@ all the .OBJ files on the collection and put that in also, sinceA ISO9660 would not preserve record characteristics for .OBJ files. B I don't believe there are any other special cases. The material isC all freely distributable as usual. (And yes, I send copies to BXA.)i  @ Interesting software for the collection can be sent to me, GlennC Everhart, Everhart@gce.com for inclusion on the next CD. Before thee: fall Encompass symposium there will be another collection.  A The sigtapes for VMS have been published continuously now twice adD year since the spring of 1979. I am working on seeing that there are= a few complete archives of the material available on the net.s   Glenn Everhart Everhart@gce.com VMS Sigtape Copy Coordinator      ' Spring 2001 VMS/L&T SIG Tape Collection?' ------ ---- --- --- --- ---- ----------e  * This material is all freely distributable.    A Once again the VMS and L&T SIGs present their semiannual software E collection, this one for Fall 2000. The following are brief abstracts-
 of the areas.e  A (Note: Since the distribution is getting pretty varied, the splitRC  between "VMS" and "L&T" parts is not done this time. It was always5
  artificial.)e  F The L&T and VMS Systems SIGs are again producing a combined collection6 for Spring 2001 to reduce duplication between the two.  = The tape is in VMS Backup format in three areas: one each forf> [01AVMSLT...], [VMSLT01A...], and [DECUSLIB...].  The first isH the index saveset (01AVMSLT), comprising around 17000 blocks.  The otherF is the DECUS library catalog in machine readable format (DECUSLIB) andE the VAX/L&T collection for Spring 2001 [VMSLT01A...] comprising aboutt 1180000 blocks.e   INDEX Directory ([01AVMSLT]) ----- ---------  ----------m; 	Indices and descriptions of what is on the tapes. [.tools]l; 	subdirectory contains tools needed to decompress or unpacki 	some packed items.n  ) DECUS LIBRARY CATALOG ONLINE ([DECUSLIB])a( ----- ------- ------- ------  ----------; 	Current machine readable catalog of DECUS library contents-6 	as straight text. The BROWSER fulltext retrieval tool7 	is included. Also the DECUS Catalog Information System: 	tool is included.  ? The following are contents of the respective directories in the  [VMSLT01A...] tree.l  * [.AGNEW]	        Modem setup script system5 [.DACHTERA]	     	DECUS talks on DCL and on ZIP/UNZIPy; [.GCE]	          	Facility to let you use non-512-byte disk . 			devices, also remote disk over DECnet and a 			simple cryptodisk; [.GHOSTSCRIPT]	  	System to render Postscript (on screen oro
 			printer). e> [.GNU]	          	Utilities since last tape. Includes gnucash,/ 			Gnumeric spreadsheet, Indent, GMP, and more.o> [.JED]	          	EDT - similar text editor for many platforms@ [.MOREAU]	       	Xpaint - paint prog. XPDF - view Adobe Acrobat( 			docs. XSnow...make your screen "snow": [.NET]	          	Lore from the internet on many subjects.? [.NT]	           	NT source code, utilities, and lore. Includesa' 			undeleter, much kernel coding advice*; [.OPENOFFICE]	   	MS Office clone (yes, all of it) sources.e- 			Not specifically workable in VMS, but manyf0 			porting tools are on this collection to help.C [.PERL]	         	PERL (script language...everything unix shell andl3 			a few hundred tools have, in one language). Fulle 			V5.7 distribution.e@ [.SAMBA]	        VMS port of 2.0.6 and 2.2.0 kit complete. Samba5 			lets you share VMS disks and printers with Windowst4 			systems, and has an ftp-like client that lets you4 			access windows disks from VMS. (Also runs on unix 			etc.)@ [.SEC]	          	Security specific info. Much info about making  			unix loadable kernel modules.A [.TK]	           	Hunter Goatley collection. Includes files_info c6 			(what processes have a file open), SDCL (structured5 			DCL compiler), zip, unzip, gzip, MMK update (make- - 			alike), netlib update, perf meter and moresD [.VU]	           	NUMEROUS VMS utilities including bzip2, CDR tools,3 			CVS and RCS for VMS, DQdriver update, SSH cliento8 			and server, Emacs editor, Ghostscript (in pcsi form),5 			gnupg VMS port, Omniorb VMS Corba, Trek, Vile (vi p6 			editor), Xscreensaver, Freeciv, and many many more.7 			Contains VMS RADIUS kit direct from the author also.o9 			RADIUS is an authentication system which interoperatesu) 			with many info sources (e.g. SECURID)..E [.WWW]	          	HTML 1.1 web server for VMS; WASD hypertext system;e3 			web page counter; Yahmail mail processor (directf& 			access to VMS Mail from a browser).   The [SAFETY...] Directory Tree --- ----------- --------- ----A [SAFETY...]		Sources and binaries to the SAFETY application whichi6 			does security, hierarchical storage, and gives user3 			undelete capabilities. (Note there exists a more 4 			advanced version which is not here complete which5 			handles attribute setting on file create in kernelu3 			also.) Both Vax and Alpha sources are present as  			are binaries.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:34:41 -0300l1 From: "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@UOL.COM.BR>e$ Subject: Authorize in a procedure...3 Message-ID: <000c01c0e57b$a9b4a420$d2010001@desenv>w  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0E562.8235E620h Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"k+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable    Hello all guys:h  D    I=B4d like to create a command procedure to put my line command = directly in=208    Authorize utility.  I made this: (procedure uaf.com):     $ SET NOVERN$ $ SET PROC/PRIV=3D(SECURITY, BYPASS) $ SET DEF SYS$SYSTEM $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:AUTHORIZE $ SET DEF SYS$LOGINc( $ SET PROC/PRIV=3D(NOSECURITY, NOBYPASS) $ EXIT    @ But, it doesn=B4t work. My desyre is create a symbol to do this:     $ uaf :=3D=3D @uaf.com) $ uaf modify engineering/pass=3Dxxxxxxxxx    Did you understand me ?5   Thank you in advance...o      + ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0E562.8235E620t Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"I+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablem  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>7 <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =b charset=3Diso-8859-1">8 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE>e </HEAD>t <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>= <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all guys:</FONT></DIV>o4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>F <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I=B4d like to create a = command procedure=200 to put my line command directly in </FONT></DIV>J <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Authorize utility.&nbsp; I =
 made this:=20t! (procedure uaf.com):</FONT></DIV> 4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>7 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ SET NOVER<BR>$ SET =h PROC/PRIV=3D(SECURITY,=20OH BYPASS)<BR>$ SET DEF SYS$SYSTEM<BR>$ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:AUTHORIZE<BR>$ SET = DEF=20< SYS$LOGIN<BR>$ SET PROC/PRIV=3D(NOSECURITY, NOBYPASS)<BR>$ = EXIT<BR></FONT></DIV> 4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>G <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But, it doesn=B4t work. My desyre is =  create a symbol=20 to do this:</FONT></DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>D <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ uaf :=3D=3D @uaf.com</FONT></DIV>0 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ uaf modify=20) engineering/pass=3Dxxxxxxxxx</FONT></DIV>s4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>E <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Did you understand me ?</FONT></DIV>i4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>E <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank you in advance...</FONT></DIV>S4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>B <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>  - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0E562.8235E620--    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:41:20 -0400e" From: "Hal Kuff" <Kuff@Tessco.Com>( Subject: Re: Authorize in a procedure...O Message-ID: <63E113516F7F13C7.7AAE24C03AADCCA8.D486411B5157C4AE@lp.airnews.net>e  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0E563.6FD8DC20i Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"S+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablea    -     put this line in before running authorize   ! define sys$command sys$input/userv      I     this will allow a program to take input from the termina, user mode =-F means just for one instance of an image, you would have to repeat it = before each run commandc    @   "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@UOL.COM.BR> wrote in message =- news:000c01c0e57b$a9b4a420$d2010001@desenv...s   Hello all guys:>  F      I=B4d like to create a command procedure to put my line command = directly in=20:      Authorize utility.  I made this: (procedure uaf.com):    
   $ SET NOVERn&   $ SET PROC/PRIV=3D(SECURITY, BYPASS)   $ SET DEF SYS$SYSTEM   $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:AUTHORIZE   $ SET DEF SYS$LOGINa*   $ SET PROC/PRIV=3D(NOSECURITY, NOBYPASS)   $ EXIT    B   But, it doesn=B4t work. My desyre is create a symbol to do this:       $ uaf :=3D=3D @uaf.com+   $ uaf modify engineering/pass=3Dxxxxxxxxxp     Did you understand me ?v     Thank you in advance...       + ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0E563.6FD8DC20- Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"r+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableR  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>7 <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =. charset=3Diso-8859-1">9 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4613.1700" name=3DGENERATOR>x <STYLE></STYLE>  </HEAD>o <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>F <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; put this line in = before running=20h authorize</FONT></DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>" <DIV><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>/ <P>define sys$command sys$input<B>/user</B></P> 
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 command=20<   procedure to put my line command directly in </FONT></DIV>J   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Authorize utility.&nbsp; =	 I made=20n)   this: (procedure uaf.com):</FONT></DIV>a6   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>6   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>9   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ SET NOVER<BR>$ SET =o PROC/PRIV=3D(SECURITY,=20gJ   BYPASS)<BR>$ SET DEF SYS$SYSTEM<BR>$ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:AUTHORIZE<BR>$ SET = DEF=20>   SYS$LOGIN<BR>$ SET PROC/PRIV=3D(NOSECURITY, NOBYPASS)<BR>$ = EXIT<BR></FONT></DIV>-6   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>I   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But, it doesn=B4t work. My desyre is =l create a=20t!   symbol to do this:</FONT></DIV>76   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>6   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>F   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ uaf :=3D=3D @uaf.com</FONT></DIV>2   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ uaf modify=20+   engineering/pass=3Dxxxxxxxxx</FONT></DIV>e6   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>G   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Did you understand me ?</FONT></DIV>n6   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>G   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank you in advance...</FONT></DIV>p6   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial =C7 size=3D2>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>n  - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0E563.6FD8DC20--8   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:21:47 -0400 / From: Glenn or Mary Everhart <everhart@gce.com>e Subject: Re: backup to CDn' Message-ID: <3B0EBEDB.34843470@gce.com>5  M It is true that CD-R is treated differently from CD and is not well suited toqH directly writing backups, at least in VMS. The existing burning programsE all presume a container file which can be transferred continuously tow% CD. I believe CD-RW may be different.   K However, if the deal is to fill up a virtual disk, then have something fireoH up to burn it and re-init it, if the disk can be left normally mounted, H Safety can be set to run a command procedure when the disk fills up. TheK command procedure can do anything you want, like burning a CD, copying over I a network, etc., etc. and can be set differently for each disk (or not atr all for some disks).  J Actually, what Safety does is looks at io$_create and io$_modify which are calledP to get space. If Backup is writing to /foreign mounted CD, it would probably notJ call these. I just don't know if it can write to non-foreign-mounted disks  other than normal saveset files.  K However, if I were backing up to CD, I might prefer to have Safety noticingsJ when the VD fills and just do a copy to a directory structure on a virtualI disk. When the virtual disk fills, it could be copied to CD and re-INITed L and remounted. (There is a facility to tell Safety "this process can do whatJ it likes and should not have its activity monitored" which could be neededK here.) That way in effect the virtual disk would appear to just accept more-G and more stuff, which would get moved in chunks to a CD burner and off.e  I A cd burner with some kind of mechanical stacker to feed and pull off theeJ CD-R disks could be mighty handy for this. What with the VMS alphabetizingI the directories, it would even be sort of reasonably easy to find things.aC Still you'd want a helluva fast burner. I might wait for a dvd-r...p  I The Spring 2001 sigtapes contain a full Safety distribution, with source,aL docs, and binaries. It may need a few tweaks for 7.3 (I don't expect to need> much) but works on 7.2-1 here. Probably it needs nothing more.   Glennu   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:29:42 -0500?1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>N Subject: Re: Backup to CD?& Message-ID: <3B0EB2A6.CFCF56C@fsi.net>   Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > G > >  Careful, there! Remember: compression in this case is local to thesK > > drive! So, that 11MB/sec remains 11MB/sec, regardless of compression orl > > not. > >n > O > Hmmm, havn't checked that myself, but it does make sense to me that the drivecQ > will accept more data from the source if it is compressing the data rather than 0 > not compressing it. However, you may be right.  G I'd have to wonder: how does enabling hardware compression on the drive-C magically enlarge the size of the I/O pipe feeding the drive? ...orl7 enable the drive's interface to exceed its own ratings?c    > >p- > > Now - if there was some way to pipe this:. > >78 > > BACKUP/IMAGE -> {,G,B}ZIP -> (magtape by some magic) > >sJ > > Of course, that would make the verification pass somewhat challenging! > >sJ > > Wonder if there's a way to add the ZIP API to VMS BACKUP ... and couldG > > we convince Andy Goldstein's boss(es) to let him have a go at it...S > >m > D > Hmmm, freeware code in VMS backup. I think I'll leave that myself.  ; Then, get the payware version (PKzip API) from PKware, Inc.6H (http://www.pkware.com/). They should be identical from the programmer's< perspective, or very close, at least. Phil Katz released theG deflate/inflate code to the "world" quite some time before his untimelycE death. The company he built continues to sell a commercial, supportedt version as well.   --   David J. DachteraO dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/v  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:52:02 -0400s  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: Backup to CD?6 Message-ID: <1010525181742.44884B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  - On Fri, 25 May 2001, David J. Dachtera wrote:v   > Carl Perkins wrote:l > > 9 > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes... K > > }> The number of tapes is one. Probably. At least, it is if you get one-K > > }> of the new SDLT drives which can pack 110/220 GB on a tape. They areaJ > > }> also rated at 11 MB/sec transfer rate - I don't know if that is theN > > }> native rate or the rate you get with the compression at an assumed 2:1,P > > }> but I would hope that it is the native rate so with compression it shouldN > > }> go up to 22 MB/sec. (At 11 MB/sec it would take a smidge over 4.5 hoursO > > }> to do a backup of 180GB without a verification pass and without countingtL > > }> a backup date recording pass either. At 22MB/sec it would, of course,! > > }> take only half that long.). > > } G > > }Careful, there! Remember: compression in this case is local to theoL > > }drive! So, that 11MB/sec remains 11MB/sec, regardless of compression or	 > > }not.C > > }David J. Dachtera > > I > > That should not be the case. The tape should always move by the headsNH > > at the same speed writing the same number of bits on any given pieceI > > of tape (barring data starvation from upstream locations), but in thenG > > compressed case those bits are the post-compression bits so you getAI > > more real data on the same amount of tape. Thus you should get doublet; > > the data transfer rate if you get 2:1 data compression.a > ' > How does this speed up the interface?l  A It doesn't.  However, the quoted speed is probably limited by theiA speed of the tape moving across the head times the bit density ons@ the tape, not by the SCSI interface.  Compression doesn't affectB either the tape speed or density, but each bit written to the tapeI contains more than one bit's worth of information.  (Not a contradiction,lF this is what compression accomplishes.  Of course, you need to averageH this over hundreds or thousands of bits, or the overhead costs more bits than the compression saves.)  @ Assuming the interface speed is faster than the tape write speed> (and it should be, since fast-wide or Ultra SCSI are both muchB faster than the quoted speed, and the drive probably uses standardB SCSI interface chips that are capable of the full SCSI speed), and8 the processor in the tape drive is fast enough to do theD compression/decompression in real time), the drive should be able toI write more source data per minute in compression mode, at the compressioneH ratio, without writing space blocks (do modern drives still do this whenE data-starved?  I am pretty sure TK50's, TK70's and TU81's did it) andr without shoe-shining.   D I don't know if it works for all compression-supporting tape drives,C but it has been my experience with various 4mm, 8mm, and DLT drivesaD that they do run faster with compression enabled.  I also don't knowF if the quoted transfer rate is the uncompressed speed or if it assumesD a standard degree of compression.  (Tape manufacturers *ALWAYS* seemD to quote 2:1 compression, but I have *NEVER* achieved that.  UsuallyC about 1.5:1, but sometimes in extreme cases, much better than 2:1.)t  A > > The limiting factor ought to be the write speed to the media., > A > There's one more before that - the interface to the data path. a  C It's a limit, but it's not the operative limit.  It's like a chain, ? the weakest link is the one that matters.  The 2nd weakest linkaC doesn't count unless you strengthen or remove the weakest link, andr? my contention is that that this link (the SCSI interface) is in  fact much stronger.y  I > I know newer SCSI paths can achieve as much as 40MB/sec., but does thiss2 > guarantee that the device can keep up with that?  E If the SCSI interface in the tape drive is implemented with the same rD technology as the controller (and I think it probably is, since SCSIE interface chips are commodity parts these days), it should be able toFA keep up.  I'm sure the tape drive designers don't design the SCSI	F interface, but just pick a standard one, then design their electronicsG to read bytes (or bits) from the SCSI chip's buffer and write it to thehF tape (or to compress the bit stream and write the compressed stream to
 the tape.)  A Thinking about this, I realize the term "SCSI interface" might beAB ambiguous.  I'm not refering to the card that sits in the CPU box,D but to a component on that card and also in all the SCSI peripheralsB that does the nitty-gritty of sending and receiving the signals on> the SCSI bus.  Such things as timing, recognizing its own SCSIF address when another device is sending it data, establishing ownershipA of the bus so it can transmit, recognizing bus errors, etc.  Both9D the PCI SCSI card in the CPU and each device on the SCSI bus need toC perform these functions, and I believe that they are all handled byd+ more-or-less standard SCSI interface chips.m   -- s John Santosu Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:57:37 -0400Y  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>: Subject: Re: Compaq UK drive Alphserver customers to Intel6 Message-ID: <1010525185404.44884C-100000@Ives.egh.com>  & On 25 May 2001, Bill Gunshannon wrote:  : > In article <84fsgt8bojj0u14mhbb0ilicbr4irmf073@4ax.com>,* >  Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: > |> 2K > |> A couple of days ago I contacted Compaq UK and asked for copies of allnJ > |> the latest Alphaserver and Storageworks literature to hand out to ourJ > |> Norwegian IT management visiting our UK datacentre next week to learnI > |> about Alpha technology and how they can make use of it. I explicitly=I > |> stated that I did not want PC literature and said that a substantialO > |> sale might result.H > |> lF > |> Today I received the "here is the information you requested." TenK > |> brochures on Proliant, iPAQ, Armada and TaskSmart. Nothing on Alpha oro > |> Storagworks at all. m > E > This is not the first time we have heard this here.  Thus my recent&E > comments about there being no Cadilac, Pontiac, Buick or Oldsmobilef > salesmen.  Only Chevy. >  > bill   Bill -  3 I think some people mis-understood you last time...e  > There are lots of GM dealerships with big signs out front that? say "Cadillac" or "Pontiac" or "Buick", etc., but if you go in,F= you'll find that all the salesmen used to work for Chevrolet,Y> or still do, or think they still do, and will only try to sell? you Chevy's, no matter what the sign out front says or what you; ask for.   -- T John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:17:21 -04002- From: "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU>i* Subject: DCPS 2.0 and Tektronix Phaser 740H Message-ID: <FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D2CA416@petra.admin.wpi.edu>  H We have a few Phaser 740 printers on campus that we're using with DCPS = 2.0.H I've been using Appletalk to print to these for some time now, but now = thatE they're supported in DCPS 2.0 I wanted to switch them over to TCP/IP.<H Appletalks' days are numbered on our campus.  I found some information = in theI release notes about Appsocket configuration settings.  Namely, changing =f theDD "Interpreter" setting to "PostScript" and the "Filtering" setting toI "Interpreter-Based".  I can print a text file that I use for testing to =, thisE printer and it completes successfully.  But when I try a job from a =: WindowseG PC through an Advanced Server queue the document prints but the queue =1 stillAI shows the document as "printing" and the printer continues to show that =- it isaG recieving data.  After giving it about five minutes I finally hit the =- cancelH button.  I'm aware of various firmware requirements for HP printers, butH didn't see anything in the realease notes for DCPS 2.0 and the TektronixG Phaser printers other than the Appsocket settings I mentioned above.  =e So, myJ question is, has anyone else tried TCP/IP printing to a Phaser with DCPS = 2.0?7 Any suggestions of things to try?  Thanks in advance...r   Davids   David Mitchell' Administrative Computer Systems Managere# Computing and Communications Centerc Worcester Polytechnic Institutem e-mail:mitchell@wpi.eduy phone:(508)831-6044e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 20:59:46 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.netS Subject: DLT SBB Flex Cable A Message-ID: <6JzP6.51307$FB5.2870634@e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com>I  1 Does anyone know where to call in Compaq to buy ao1 replacement flex cable for a DLT SBB?  Also, doesi, anyone have any idea what the cost would be?  / My BusinessLink account was disabled so I can'ts
 check myself.  --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.nete   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 23:13:01 GMTs From: dittman@dittman.netr Subject: Re: DLT SBB Flex Cable!A Message-ID: <1GBP6.41744$LT4.2724640@e420r-sjo2.usenetserver.com>>   dittman@dittman.net wrote:3 : Does anyone know where to call in Compaq to buy a93 : replacement flex cable for a DLT SBB?  Also, doesG. : anyone have any idea what the cost would be?  1 : My BusinessLink account was disabled so I can'tF : check myself.   / BTW, if anyone's BusinessLink account (or other - price lookup) is working, the part number forz' the flex cable is 17-03774-01 rev. C03.i -- 2 Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.netc   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:46:19 -0500&/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>s Subject: Re: DLT SBB Flex Cable 3 Message-ID: <3B0EEECB.DB9F3124@applied-synergy.com>u   dittman@dittman.net wrote: >  > dittman@dittman.net wrote:5 > : Does anyone know where to call in Compaq to buy aD5 > : replacement flex cable for a DLT SBB?  Also, doesO0 > : anyone have any idea what the cost would be? > 3 > : My BusinessLink account was disabled so I can't0 > : check myself.G > 1 > BTW, if anyone's BusinessLink account (or other / > price lookup) is working, the part number for-) > the flex cable is 17-03774-01 rev. C03.s  A                                 List          Lead      End User >
 Reseller  A Part Number  Description       Price  Status  Time      Discount D
 Discount  F 17-03774-01  CABLE FLEX; TZ87   288.00    A     n/a          N         N      ;   (Ouch!)D  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------n$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com &   Fax: 817-237-3074t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 22:49:19 +0100<, From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotmail.c*m>H Subject: Re: DNS questions 1:M host_name:host_address (address ordering)1 Message-ID: <9emjud$ge0$1@uranium.btinternet.com>I  
 Hi Didier,  E Thanks for the reply and I hope you can help. You're right my earlier$I question was a bit of a Dog's Breakfast so I'll try and be more succinct.$  
 Question:-  B "When I have a DNS hostname that maps to more than one IP address,@ *what do I have to do* to *guarantee* that DNS will return those) address in the order that I have chosen?":  ! Is there an RFC that covers this?r  ? Does it differ from TCP/IP Services to TCPWARE? VMS to Solaris?2  F Like Telnet, RSH et al. people who will connect to my application willC do a gethostbyname() and then proceed down the list of IP addresses0I until they find one that works. I *need* to control (and insist upon) thei> IP address/node that will be the *first* connection candidate?  H Alles Klar? I will happily provide any other information you require but7 I won't muddy the waters by going over old ground here.k   Regards Richard Maher.  L PS. I would have replied sooner but I can only see your reply via Google and# not via my ISP and outlook express.B   Message 2 in thread>, From: Didier Morandi (Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch)H Subject: Re: DNS questions 1:M host_name:host_address (address ordering) Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsn Date: 2001-05-24 13:15:32 PSTe   Richard Maher wrote: >  > Hi,  >sG > Sorry if you've already seen this, but I can see my original post viaiL > outlook but not google. It might be the attachment or it might be replyingL > to my own note (with an example) but if there's anyone here that knows DNS! > I'd really appreciate the help!    Richard,  @ If you wish a reply, maybe you should ask your pal to write easyH questions instead of a summary of the differences between his experience and the O'Reilly book.  H I attended the Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS training recently andD still have my notes and other resources under the hand, but I didn't, succeed to understant what was the question.  + Why is this gentleman bothering with sorts?a   D. -- Compaq Computer (Schweiz) GmbH! berlandstrasse 1, 8600 Dbendorf  GSM: +41 79 7054670a   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:01:51 -0400 (EDT)r From: jlynch@dircanmail.comtH Subject: Do You Have Paper Business Cards. 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If, for any reason, youao do not wish to receive future product notifications, please reply to this email with UNSUBSCRIBE in the header.'  H IF THIS IS NOT DONE OUR LIST MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE WILL NOT KNOW TO REMOVE YOU.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 22:33:25 -0500c0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>) Subject: HSDSA Scrip in a Batch ProcedureIC Message-ID: <MOEAJKGGEIMGCCPEPJBHIEKKEFAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>c   Hello...  J Would anybody have an example of a batch procedure running the HSDSA-SCRIPH in order to obtain information from a set of controllers?  I usually runK this interactively, but would like to automate this procedure in batch job.    Thanks in advance!   Artc   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2001 01:21:45 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>, Subject: Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname- Message-ID: <87pucxfiom.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   3 bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:o  D > We use OpenVMS and a commercial package for all our administration? > here.  Apparently the system can not deal with an entry for aeD > student that lacks a first name.  Thus we have a grad student here$ > who's official first name is "Mr."  A I have a friend who's full and complete name is Major. That's it.0/ No extras. Does he have fun with he paper work.   E > Reminds me of a guy I served with in the Army.  The only man I ever C > knew who had his first name on his nametags rather than his last..6 > Seems even the Army didn't know that they don't list? > surname/familyname in the same order everywhere in the world.   E Esp when you consider that world wide, the family name is last is thee= less common form. Another wrinkle is Belgium. A family uses atB hyphenated husband-wife surname, and women do not use the husbandsE surname for accounts, etc. So every family has 3 variants of surname.c   -- l< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.>@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:14:16 -0400a  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>, Subject: Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname6 Message-ID: <1010525190108.44884D-100000@Ives.egh.com>  & On 25 May 2001, Bill Gunshannon wrote:  2 > In article <009FC7F8.0BE18C2C@SendSpamHere.ORG>,B >  system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:Q > |> A few weeks ago I purchased a kit for a large wooden backyard swing and play Q > |> fort.  A nice kit and it assembled very nicely.  One piece -- a re-enforcingpP > |> gusset plate -- was missing and I've been dealing with trying to obtain oneR > |> from the company.  I've called several times -- and again just moments ago --Q > |> and their computer crashes when they enter my name.  It happened again today Q > |> when trying to find out if my request has yet been processed.  This woman on R > |> the phone told me they are Q PeeCees running Weendoze 2000.  Is it any wonderQ > |> I've been waiting for two+ weeks for a simple replacement part?  Today, thiscR > |> woman filled out a paper-and-pencil request for the part to have it expressedP > |> to me.  Let's see if that happens.  If it does, the trusted old pad and pen > |> are superior to M$. > |> dP > |> If the length of my last name is too much data for a W2K system to process,Q > |> I'd have to conclude that VMS, unix, et al, have nothing to fear in the realo! > |> enterprise processing realm.r > B > Don't confuse a bad application with (the many) OS shortcomings.  B A bad application shouldn't crash the OS.  This is the distinctionB Brian was trying to make between Eisner, which truncated his name,? and this swing-set manufacturer's MS app, which crashed the OS.s  J > We use OpenVMS and a commercial package for all our administration here.K > Apparently the system can not deal with an entry for a student that lackstK > a first name.  Thus we have a grad student here who's official first namee > is "Mr." t  - Yup, a bad app, but VMS didn't crash, did it?t  J > Of course, this is more a social problem than a computer problem.  It isJ > obvious that whoever wrote the application assumed everyone in the world6 > had a name in the ussual anglo/ammerican convention. > J > Reminds me of a guy I served with in the Army.  The only man I ever knewJ > who had his first name on his nametags rather than his last.  Seems evenJ > the Army didn't know that they don't list surname/familyname in the same  > order everywhere in the world.  C "Surname" is the family name, whether it comes first or last.  WhatkI we call the first name (or the British seem to call the "Christian name",aD which must annoy non-christians no end), is refered to as the "given6 name" in my dictionary, when it is defining "surname".  A I don't suppose most apps cope with people who only have one namei@ very well, or with people who have more than one middle name, orB who have spaces in their family name, or who have first and middleD names, but use their 1st initial and full middle name, like "J. Paul Getty".    -- e John Santos	 Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 23:30:59 -0400n* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>, Subject: Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname6 Message-ID: <lsFP6.5722$Uo3.179013@news6.giganews.com>  ( > On 25 May 2001, Bill Gunshannon wrote:  L > > We use OpenVMS and a commercial package for all our administration here.G > > Apparently the system can not deal with an entry for a student thate lacksnH > > a first name.  Thus we have a grad student here who's official first name > > is "Mr."  A Just curious... what package is that ? There aren't that many VMS E based school administration software packages left out there that I'm = aware of and I know which one you're most likely NOT running.o   -Andy-   --' VMS - When access to your data matters.l   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2001 07:32:31 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)5E Subject: Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname - and VMS, too...oh, my! 3 Message-ID: <265Ig7ynMTHR@eisner.encompasserve.org>:  m In article <milP6.69641$I5.14751471@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>, "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com> writes:aJ >> Yeah, but what about the fact that a certain VMS system that uses NOTES > cannot2 >> parse your full surname, Mr. "SCHENKENBERG" ER? > I > There's a difference between buffer length checking resulting in string E > truncation and a denial of service caused by buffer overruns.  EvenuL > s'kiddies understand that.  I would opt for truncated names any day of the > millenium. > F > Brian has found the true meaning of "denial of service", as have his  > children, thank you Mr. Gates.  ? Presuming his children have his surname rather than his wife's,l; Brian can view this as a _working_ version of the V-chip ore= NetNanny efforts, in this case to protect their innocent eyesa from a lot of bad software.>   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 05:04:31 GMTi. From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com>E Subject: Re: Humorous: Q, W2K and my surname - and VMS, too...oh, my!v< Message-ID: <zPGP6.71863$I5.16215098@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>  D Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message- news:265Ig7ynMTHR@eisner.encompasserve.org...u :"H > > Brian has found the true meaning of "denial of service", as have his" > > children, thank you Mr. Gates. > A > Presuming his children have his surname rather than his wife's,a= > Brian can view this as a _working_ version of the V-chip orS? > NetNanny efforts, in this case to protect their innocent eyes- > from a lot of bad software.a  K I wasn't trying to get quite that in depth -- I was simply referring to theEL fact that Brian's kids were being denied the use of their new swingset!  8^(   Aaron8 --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html> Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org// "24x7x365?  What's so special about 365 weeks?"b   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:00:48 -0400t  From: Kuff@Tessco.Com (Hal Kuff)% Subject: In need of spare 7.3 doc kitfO Message-ID: <94717C6F16C4E2C4.67B3304D294D73FB.A76B80874A01745D@lp.airnews.net>,  M  I'm still looking for a spare doc set (printed) if someone wants interestingt trades... (small Alpha?)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:53:47 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>o" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed' Message-ID: <3B0EB84B.D232EE10@fsi.net>    Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > ' > > "HM2(FMF/SW) Neill Thornton" wrote:a > > >vQ > > > I hate to ruin all of your all's expecations (and I hate NT/2000 as much as H > > > the next man), but I just completed a 6 month deployment on a NavyI > > > amphibious assault ship (LHA-1 Class), which runs Windows NT almostiQ > > > exclusively for some rather critical functions (damage control, navigation,,' > > > etc.) and we had *zero* problems.  >  > >wC > > Quoting the Capt. Bart Mancuso character from "The Hunt for Rede9 > > October": "Are you willing to bet your life on that?"y > >  > S > yeah, wasn't the problem on the pilot system a zero error, divide by zero that ism > :-)@   I missed that! Good pun!   -- - David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/2  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:36:57 -0400 6 From: "HM2(FMF/SW) Neill Thornton" <neillt@neillt.com>" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed7 Message-ID: <010a01c0e55a$7209b4f0$9e0cd818@8mar1bn283>s   > Tim Llewellyn wrote: > >t > > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > >e) > > > "HM2(FMF/SW) Neill Thornton" wrote:n > > > >bK > > > > I hate to ruin all of your all's expecations (and I hate NT/2000 as? much asBJ > > > > the next man), but I just completed a 6 month deployment on a NavyK > > > > amphibious assault ship (LHA-1 Class), which runs Windows NT almostmG > > > > exclusively for some rather critical functions (damage control,i navigation,.) > > > > etc.) and we had *zero* problems.a > >r > > >aE > > > Quoting the Capt. Bart Mancuso character from "The Hunt for Reds; > > > October": "Are you willing to bet your life on that?"F > > >p > >sH > > yeah, wasn't the problem on the pilot system a zero error, divide by zero that is > > :-)w >e > I missed that! Good pun!  K Yeah, you got me on that..... lol!  And as far as betting my life on it.... F I would *never* put WinNT in charge of weapons systems.  However, mostL defensive systems are microcontroller based anyway, or used very specializedJ gear.  What they are talking about is NTDS, the Navy Tactical Data System,D which includes the Advanced Combat Direction System.  It is used forK offensive weapons, and also (and this strikes fear in my heart) air controliL for Carriers and Amphib flat-tops.  It also tracks all contacts from radars, lookouts, etc.  I However, be assured that on a moments notice, any section of the ship (at-H least the one I was on) can revert to paper charts, grease pencil statusL boards, and manual radar interpretation.  In fact, it is something that theyE drill on during almost every general quarters drill. ACDS is just the2H "Middleware" that combines everything into a "point, click, and destroy"1 interface.  There is always a manual backup mode.s  B Now also, I am a believer in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"1 mentality, and if Unix is working, why change it?    HM2(FMF/SW) Neill Thornton< Senior Corpsman, Weapons Company, Battalion Landing Team 1/8< 22nd Marine Expeditionary Force (Special Operations Capable)4 LFOC: (910)451-5820    STU-III Secured DSN: 751-5820   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2001 09:35:07 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)F+ Subject: Re: POSIX threads and word tearingC3 Message-ID: <1JH2tKAGc9lu@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  [ In article <3B0D4FDC.2D322BC5@east.sun.com>, Eric Sosman <Eric.Sosman@east.sun.com> writes:r > Bob Koehler wrote: >> dJ >> Did the ANSI standard for C drop the K&R claim that C is for 8 bit byte
 >> computers?d > @ >     Yes, twelve years ago when the Standard was first adopted.   > G   I admit to not having read the full standard myself.  I never dreamedh@   that thrid party C compiler for PDP-10 could someday be ANSI C   compliant.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationi= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group1E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 22:19:52 GMT & From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com>M Subject: Re: Presentation Collateral From VMS Technical Update Days in Londonh> Message-ID: <cUAP6.313932$o9.48609030@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>  K When I try to open any of the links, I get a box asking me what I want open  it with. What is the trick here?m  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messages6 news:MbwP6.4580$zl5.1763095@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...A > If you didn't make it to Jury's Hotel in central London for theV much-vauntedJ > VMS Technical Update Days, a tasteful selection of presentations at saidA > venue can be downloaded from the following site. Check 'em out!e >e > ( > http://www.compaq.co.uk/campaigns/vms/ >u >  >h( >       VMS Technical Update Days London >       15th & 16th May, 2001-* >             Presentation Title   Speaker >a* >             VMS Strategy   Frank McGowan, >             OpenVMS Update   Steve Hoffman, >             TCP/IP Update   Graham Howland3 >             Performance Management   Steve LiemanlA >             Performance of Cluster Interconnects   Verell Boaen   >             XFC   Ian Percival1 >             VMS Hints and Kinks   Steve Hoffmanm9 >             OpenVMS Fibre Channel   John Andruszkiewicz ! >             NUMA   Ian Percivali0 >             OpenVMS Lock Manager   Doug GordonA >             Volume Shadowing and MiniCopy   John Andruszkiewiczo2 >             Trouble shooting LANs   Verell Boaen5 >             Compaq Secure Web Server   Nigel Barker 2 >             Shannon Knows Compaq   Terry Shannon >e >e >r >m >. >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 23:27:02 GMTi4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>M Subject: Re: Presentation Collateral From VMS Technical Update Days in Londonb< Message-ID: <aTBP6.4678$zl5.1919195@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  1 "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in messaget8 news:cUAP6.313932$o9.48609030@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...H > When I try to open any of the links, I get a box asking me what I want open
 > it with. > What is the trick here?f  K Good question... I'm running Win2K SP2 and IE5.5 on a DeskPro. When I go to F the site and click on a link, the PPTs auto-magically download with no problem.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:42:59 -0700a! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comNM Subject: Re: Presentation Collateral From VMS Technical Update Days in LondonuD Message-ID: <OF6E8D7A33.2D280DFD-ON88256A57.00822709@foundation.com>  J John, if you're on a PC I bet you don't have powerpoint installed, or it's; not registered as the application to launch for .PPT files.h   ShaneI          H "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> on 05/25/2001 04:27:02 PM  @ Please respond to "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:7  G Subject:  Re: Presentation Collateral From VMS Technical Update Days in_       London      1 "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in messagec8 news:cUAP6.313932$o9.48609030@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...H > When I try to open any of the links, I get a box asking me what I want open
 > it with. > What is the trick here?N  K Good question... I'm running Win2K SP2 and IE5.5 on a DeskPro. When I go to-F the site and click on a link, the PPTs auto-magically download with no problem.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2001 14:30:33 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)eM Subject: Re: Presentation Collateral From VMS Technical Update Days in LondonS3 Message-ID: <gzax4q43mN++@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  s In article <MbwP6.4580$zl5.1763095@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:aN > If you didn't make it to Jury's Hotel in central London for the much-vauntedJ > VMS Technical Update Days, a tasteful selection of presentations at said2 > venue can be downloaded from the following site.  % Where is that tasteful presentation ?d  @ I looked at the page cited and found only Microsoft PowerPoint !   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:57:25 -0700a! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comh! Subject: Rambus loses another oneeD Message-ID: <OF286501FE.35C2C4DB-ON88256A57.0082DFF0@foundation.com>  J After their recent defeat (and indeed conviction for fraud) in their court? case against Infineon in the USA, Rambus just lost another one:w  G              Italian court finds Micron did not infringe Rambus patentss7              http://www.ebns.com/story/OEG20010524S0043i  J Unlike the American case, the patents were upheld in this instance but theK judge ruled that Micron hadn't infringed on them. In the Infineon case, theiK judge is still considering whether to rule the patents unenforcable or not.t) There's some other cases outstanding too.n  H Since EV7 (or is it 8?) has integrated Rambus controllers, I wonder whatA this means for Alpha? I know these disputed patents are for SDRAM H technology, but Rambus does seem to be depending on these royalties, andF the court cases aren't cheap. If Rambus go bust, does that mean RambusD memory gets cheaper? After all, Rambus the company don't manufactureE anything, they licence the technology to others to do that for a fee.,   Shanef   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2001 23:09:29 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)o% Subject: Re: Rambus loses another oney3 Message-ID: <dXbZGvyOaDaa@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  h In article <OF286501FE.35C2C4DB-ON88256A57.0082DFF0@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:L > After their recent defeat (and indeed conviction for fraud) in their courtA > case against Infineon in the USA, Rambus just lost another one:p > I >              Italian court finds Micron did not infringe Rambus patentsn9 >              http://www.ebns.com/story/OEG20010524S0043a > L > Unlike the American case, the patents were upheld in this instance but theM > judge ruled that Micron hadn't infringed on them. In the Infineon case, theeM > judge is still considering whether to rule the patents unenforcable or not.t+ > There's some other cases outstanding too.> > J > Since EV7 (or is it 8?) has integrated Rambus controllers, I wonder whatC > this means for Alpha? I know these disputed patents are for SDRAM J > technology, but Rambus does seem to be depending on these royalties, andH > the court cases aren't cheap. If Rambus go bust, does that mean RambusF > memory gets cheaper? After all, Rambus the company don't manufactureG > anything, they licence the technology to others to do that for a fee.  >   8 	EV7 and EV8 both with integrated Rambus mem controller.  B 	"If Rambus goes bust does RDRAM get cheaper?"  Concensus seems toA 	be yes as their royalty slice diminishes or goes away.  A fellowp< 	in one forum pointed out "how else are you going to get theA 	bandwidth into the CPU?  Nothing else can do it."  Sure you can.n> 	Just add 5000 pins to your package.  Bandwidth per pin is the= 	gating factor and I leave it as an exercise to search Googlet< 	for "Spink" and "Rambus" about two years back.  He won that 	debate hands down (bandwidth).   2 	Intel is solidly behind RDRAM.  No need to worry:  ' http://www.theinquirer.net/24050108.htmb    O This all leads The Inquirer to the somewhat ineluctable conclusion that despitetN hopes for Brookdale, Brookdale M and the rest, Intel is still very much on theN side of Rambus Ink. And, as we reported a few days back, it is still hell-bent: on promoting RDRAM RIMMs as the memory platform of choice.  M And, by the way, if you think that this is some weird conclusion, we can onlylO point to conversations we had with Intel's Pat "Chip" Gelsinger at the last IDFiN we attended, where he said that RDRAM is more scaleable than DDR, despite cost and other issues.t    ? 	Ah heck.. here (again for about the 3rd time) is the relevant  = 	bandwidth stuff for Rambus and one of the best arguments for,8 	RDRAM that you will see in a public forum (My opinion):    . From: Aaron Spink (spink@kraftwerk.pa.dec.com)- Subject: Re: Fuel on the Rambus v. DDR fire. e Newsgroups: comp.arch  Date: 1999/11/15 o  m      ! dennydb@aol.com (DennyDB) writes:f    O > 1) higher price....probably always >1.3x due to extra circuits + royalities +i > packaging + cooling.    B Well, the high end DDR which is still being promised for some day,F will have to have the extra circuits, packaging, and cooling.  This is" just life with high speed signals.    9 > 2) higher power due to PLL and 800Mhz on-chip circuits.s  @ DLL not PLL.  Basically anything with high speed signalling will require a DLL.  L > 4) lower B/W per memory controller pin...although 800Mhz is fast, the same pinsO > could run >2Ghz point-to-point between the memory controller and buffer chipse+ > driving DDR. This is the server solution.h > F No it isn't.  Understand that you actually have to package things intoD systems.  Yes, you could run at 2 Ghz, then drop down to really wideC DDR.  Now you've introduced yet another clock domain crossing whichfA will require sync time.  You need a lot of extra chips, each with F there own pins, and which will probably have to be custom designed for your implementation.  E And on top of all this, you added more latency.  This latency will beaJ greater than any latency difference between DDR and DR, real or imagined.     A > These issues will keep D-RDRAM out of servers and workstations.< >   D On the contrary, I see the BRIGHTEST future for DR in the server andE workstation markets.  There is already one announnce design that will B be using Rambus, and I have the upmost confidence in the designers designing it.  E  E There are rumors that several more(aka all) are planning to use DR inn future systems.    n  F The issue with DDR is that to extract the same amount of bandwidth you$ have to use 2-4x the number of pins.     Aaron Spink  not speaking for Compaq    ---    				Robh   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:26:48 GMT 8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)4 Subject: Re: Reinstalling Backup patch on 7.2 system2 Message-ID: <ItxP6.757$fi2.16698@news.cpqcorp.net>  3 In article <tMfP6.81$k3.5267@typhoon.aracnet.com>,  4 "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:  M >A while back I accidentally deinstalled DEC AXPVMS VMS72_BACKUP V1.0 from my># >one system running OpenVMS V7.2.  y  @ Prior to OpenVMS V7.3, PRODUCT REMOVE does not work for a patch.4 You can only PRODUCT REMOVE "products", not patches.  F (Check the new features manual for V7.3 -- I think that under certain J circumstances you CAN "remove" or "undo" the most recent PRODUCT INSTALL, K even if it is a patch.  I have not worked with this; read the documentationi before you try it!)u  E You may be in a "catch 22" situation -- you may need the latest patchiD for the POLYCENTER Software Installation (PCSI) utility, but you may6 not be able to install it because it isn't installed.   4         CAUTION:  The following may or may not work!   If this seems to be the case,   >     GET A GOOD BACKUP OF YOUR SYSTEM IN CASE THINGS GET WORSE.  H Then try copying the latest PCSI utility patch kit to a REFERENCE format$ kit.  See HELP PRODUCT COPY /FORMAT.  7 This will give you access to the individual PCSI files;        SYS$SYSTEM:PCSI$MAIN.EXE,-!     SYS$LIBRARY:PCSI$SHR.EXE, and0     SYS$UPDATE:PCSI.CLD   ; Copy the .EXEs, and SET COMMAND the .CLD into your process.i; Then you should be able to install the PCSI patch properly.0= With a little luck you will then be able to do your installs.t  B You may or may not have a little luck.  Sorry -- best I can offer.   -- -K     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAdH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:12:03 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>4 Subject: Re: Reinstalling Backup patch on 7.2 system3 Message-ID: <DUzP6.100$k3.7044@typhoon.aracnet.com>a  9 Charlie Hammond <hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net> wrote:i5 > In article <tMfP6.81$k3.5267@typhoon.aracnet.com>, t6 > "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:  N >>A while back I accidentally deinstalled DEC AXPVMS VMS72_BACKUP V1.0 from my$ >>one system running OpenVMS V7.2.    B > Prior to OpenVMS V7.3, PRODUCT REMOVE does not work for a patch.6 > You can only PRODUCT REMOVE "products", not patches.  J No, but for some braindamaged reason a while back I booted the system fromJ CD-ROM and did a reconfigure of OpenVMS.  I don't quite remember why I didI it, I think it's when I moved my server from an AlphaStation 500/333 to asL AlphaStation 200 4/233 (actaully an upgrade since the AS500 has 96MB and theC AS200 has 384MB).  Anyway the reconfigure removed the backup patch.e  = > Copy the .EXEs, and SET COMMAND the .CLD into your process.o= > Then you should be able to install the PCSI patch properly.-? > With a little luck you will then be able to do your installs.F  D > You may or may not have a little luck.  Sorry -- best I can offer.  G Actually as you might have seen in a later message I got the PCSI patchw" installed, and things got worse!    L I'm trying to look at this as a possitive thing, and currently beefed up theH Hardware on my PWS433au, and have gotten OpenVMS V7.2-1H1 and TCPIP V5.1J installed and configured with all the patches applied.  Over the weekend IJ hope to get SMTP, printing and queues all working on it like they do on myI current setup.  Once I get everything working I'll move the BA350 over tocH the PWS433au (already added a Narrow SCSI card for it), and the PWS433au/ will become my new server (a MAJOR upgrade :^).a  H All I can say is that I *really* like TCPIP V5.1 so far, and I'm lookingJ forward to figuring out it's Anti-SPAM features.  Having XDM in TCPIP V5.1 totally rocks!!!   			Zanee  H PS I've learned my lesson, I've already backed the system disk up once. I I'll probably have a couple RZ29's in StorageWorks cannisters with backupu system disks when I'm done!s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:37:15 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>a0 Subject: Re: VMS 7.2 BACKUP damaging system disk7 Message-ID: <U3CP6.794$2V6.55431@news20.bellglobal.com>e  L I brought this problem to the attention of VMS people at Compaq back in June8 2000 but it has never been fixed (as far as I can tell).  J At that time, there was some speculation in the newsgroup about the use of the L /IMAGE (or /NOIMAGE) backup switch but I now believe this switch has nothing to do with non-saveset backups.  L I was able to repair a copied disk using DCL with help from the DFU freeware& program. The steps can be viewed here:? http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/openvms_72_backup_bug.htmsJ Or at http://www.deja.com by searching for "RIECK BACKUP" in "comp.os.vms"   ~~~ ~~~ ~~~   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,f Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/x   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2001 09:32:10 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)1/ Subject: Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware questiona3 Message-ID: <QU+Nn$$uWdHM@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  k In article <OFAA5BA0F4.8AD3D3C1-ON80256A56.00475B75@qedi.quintiles.com>, steven.reece@quintiles.com writes:v >  > L > More importantly (perhaps) is would one really _want_ to run VMS on a VXT?7 > They weren't exactly memory rich as I recall.........C > Steve. >   G My 14 MB VXT 2000+ beats our old 12MB VAX 2000.  Depends on what you'rerE doing with them, once bought 2 64MB Alphas (minimum configuration) to D run some 400 - 700KB programs.  Later upgraded to 256MB cheap to run more recent apps.s  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporations= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group-E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.289 ************************