1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 27 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 291       Contents: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations ( Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS?( Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS?, Cobol procedure hanging writing to a mailbox0 Re: Cobol procedure hanging writing to a mailbox
 DPWS cpu freq  Re: Internals manuals  Re: IRCD for VMS Re: IRCD for VMS Re: IRCD for VMS Re: IRCD for VMS Re: Microsoft and Lockeed  Re: Microsoft and Lockeed & Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware question  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 15:06:11 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations' Message-ID: <3B100CB3.C8E45BF6@fsi.net>    Paul Repacholi wrote:  > 5 > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  >  > > Paul Repacholi wrote:  > D > > > CSA would have been a godsend then, and I doubt it has changed > > > much.  > G > > > But, no one has heard of it, almost, and when they do, they don't " > > > seem to see anything in it!! > 0 > > Probably for the reasons we've heard before: > D > > If no one can afford the platform for your app., why develop it? > > Who's gonna buy it?  > 8 > Yesm but these are people who DO do VMS development...  B Exactly my point - if no one can afford the platform on which your; application runs, what is the purpose of developing it (the 
 application)?   D Developing freeware/hobbyware is one thing. Developing software that> will eventually provide a monetary return on the investment of' time/effort is something else entirely.    For example:  - I can see developing *TRUE* home automation.    B No, I'm not just talking about turning lights on and off by remoteG control, or making coffee before you get up (a timer will suffice here) D or cranking up the heat/cooling before you arise or return home fromH work (an automatic thermostat will suffice here, within limits), either.  H I'm talking about sounding an alarm or automatically taking action under certain circumstances:  F Monitor the heating system: when the thermostat calls for heat but theH furnace fails to (light, start, etc.), when the CO count near the bonnetC starts to rise (potentially clogged flue), when the static pressure E across the filters becomes unbalanced (potentially dirty filter), ...   F Monitor the cooling system: insufficient or excessive temperature dropH across the evaporator, insufficient or excessive temperature rise acrossC the condensor, high head pressure, low suction pressure, compressor H pulling overcurrent, condensor fan motor pulling overcurrent, compressorA fails to start, the static pressure across the evaporator becomes D unbalanced (coil may be frosting, though low suction pressure should catch this first, ideally), ...   D Monitor the water supply: low pressure, extended periods of low flowG (potential leak), extended periods of high flow (potential burst pipe),  ...   H Control temperature zones within the house (forced air, hydronic, etc.).  E Monitor indoor environment: temperature outside of preset boundaries, F dew point outside of preset boundaries, temperature becoming excessiveH (potential fire), smoke (potential fire), CO level out of spec. (blocked& flue or stove/oven needs venting), ...  C Monitor the outdoor environment: OAT (Outdoor Air Temperature) low? D Switch to heating when IAT (Indoor...) falls below preset limit. OAT< high? Switch to cooling when IAT rises above a preset limit.  ? Monitor gas utility: low pressure, extended periods of low flow H (potential leak), extended periods of high flow (potential broken pipe), ...   F Monitor electrical utility: voltage too low, voltage too high, voltageD zero (outage, system needs UPS), power factor out of spec., floating3 neutral or neutral voltage to ground out spec., ...    ...and so on...   - Now *THAT'S* what *I* call "Home Automation".   F ...but I couldn't *THINK* of writing it on (or porting it to) OpenVMS:G The cost (to the end user) of the computer and operating software alone D would push me right out of the market, price-wise. It'd *HAVE* to be2 Linux or *BSD (*NO* bloated Micro$hit crashware!).  F This is but one example of why Affordable OpenVMS is the only solution6 to prolonging its life and extending its market share.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2001 22:56:36 GMT- From: "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> ( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations0 Message-ID: <3b1034ec$1@kerberos.linuxpuppy.net>   David:  K I would find this laudable.  What sort of price do you think you could sell  it for?     Let's say OpenVMS could be used.  K Obviously a DS10L is not where you want to be since the lowest price (list) 1 is about $9,000, but where do you want the price?    --
 Bill Pedersen  CCSS Corporation CCSS Interactive Learning 
 www.VMS.St 831-336-2708 ================  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3B100CB3.C8E45BF6@fsi.net...  > Paul Repacholi wrote:  > > 7 > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > >  > > > Paul Repacholi wrote:  > > F > > > > CSA would have been a godsend then, and I doubt it has changed
 > > > > much.  > > I > > > > But, no one has heard of it, almost, and when they do, they don't $ > > > > seem to see anything in it!! > > 2 > > > Probably for the reasons we've heard before: > > F > > > If no one can afford the platform for your app., why develop it? > > > Who's gonna buy it?  > > : > > Yesm but these are people who DO do VMS development... > D > Exactly my point - if no one can afford the platform on which your= > application runs, what is the purpose of developing it (the  > application)?  > F > Developing freeware/hobbyware is one thing. Developing software that@ > will eventually provide a monetary return on the investment of) > time/effort is something else entirely.  >  > For example: > . > I can see developing *TRUE* home automation. > D > No, I'm not just talking about turning lights on and off by remoteI > control, or making coffee before you get up (a timer will suffice here) F > or cranking up the heat/cooling before you arise or return home fromJ > work (an automatic thermostat will suffice here, within limits), either. > J > I'm talking about sounding an alarm or automatically taking action under > certain circumstances: > H > Monitor the heating system: when the thermostat calls for heat but theJ > furnace fails to (light, start, etc.), when the CO count near the bonnetE > starts to rise (potentially clogged flue), when the static pressure G > across the filters becomes unbalanced (potentially dirty filter), ...  > H > Monitor the cooling system: insufficient or excessive temperature dropJ > across the evaporator, insufficient or excessive temperature rise acrossE > the condensor, high head pressure, low suction pressure, compressor J > pulling overcurrent, condensor fan motor pulling overcurrent, compressorC > fails to start, the static pressure across the evaporator becomes F > unbalanced (coil may be frosting, though low suction pressure should! > catch this first, ideally), ...  > F > Monitor the water supply: low pressure, extended periods of low flowI > (potential leak), extended periods of high flow (potential burst pipe),  > ...  > J > Control temperature zones within the house (forced air, hydronic, etc.). > G > Monitor indoor environment: temperature outside of preset boundaries, H > dew point outside of preset boundaries, temperature becoming excessiveJ > (potential fire), smoke (potential fire), CO level out of spec. (blocked( > flue or stove/oven needs venting), ... > E > Monitor the outdoor environment: OAT (Outdoor Air Temperature) low? F > Switch to heating when IAT (Indoor...) falls below preset limit. OAT> > high? Switch to cooling when IAT rises above a preset limit. > A > Monitor gas utility: low pressure, extended periods of low flow J > (potential leak), extended periods of high flow (potential broken pipe), > ...  > H > Monitor electrical utility: voltage too low, voltage too high, voltageF > zero (outage, system needs UPS), power factor out of spec., floating5 > neutral or neutral voltage to ground out spec., ...  >  > ...and so on...  > / > Now *THAT'S* what *I* call "Home Automation".  > H > ...but I couldn't *THINK* of writing it on (or porting it to) OpenVMS:I > The cost (to the end user) of the computer and operating software alone F > would push me right out of the market, price-wise. It'd *HAVE* to be4 > Linux or *BSD (*NO* bloated Micro$hit crashware!). > H > This is but one example of why Affordable OpenVMS is the only solution8 > to prolonging its life and extending its market share. >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. > B > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 21:17:09 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations' Message-ID: <3B1063A5.5460DEE8@fsi.net>    Bill Pedersen wrote: >  > David: > M > I would find this laudable.  What sort of price do you think you could sell 	 > it for?  > " > Let's say OpenVMS could be used. > M > Obviously a DS10L is not where you want to be since the lowest price (list) 3 > is about $9,000, but where do you want the price?   G I'd expect circa. $5,000 installed to be about the median, no more than 9 the cost of, oh say, a new furnace installed. Most of the @ temperature/pressure sensors should be commodity items. CO/smokeF detectors with suitable interfaces may be a bit more difficult to find at "commodity" prices.  C The core machine itself should probably top out around $2200 or so, F including o.s., interfaces and automation software. The machine shouldA read everything into memory from (PROM, CD-ROM, or something else : suitable) and run from RAMdisk or some similar technology.  C That price should be sufficiently attractive to get it into the new H developments with relatively little sales effort. Retro-fitting an olderG home should not be a large task, except for the CO/smoke detectors. IAT 8 sensors could/should use the existing thermostat wiring.  E I could even see such systems start to become required by code in new - construction within five years of it's debut.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 22:26:54 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS WorkstationsL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2605012226550001@user-2ive65n.dialup.mindspring.com>  ; In article <3B1063A5.5460DEE8@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"  <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   > Bill Pedersen wrote: > > 
 > > David: > > O > > I would find this laudable.  What sort of price do you think you could sell  > > it for?  > > $ > > Let's say OpenVMS could be used. > > O > > Obviously a DS10L is not where you want to be since the lowest price (list) 5 > > is about $9,000, but where do you want the price?  > I > I'd expect circa. $5,000 installed to be about the median, no more than ; > the cost of, oh say, a new furnace installed. Most of the B > temperature/pressure sensors should be commodity items. CO/smokeH > detectors with suitable interfaces may be a bit more difficult to find > at "commodity" prices.  G I'm not so sure.  Decent quality sensors for this sort of thing are not G too cheap.  Signal conditioners, A/D modules, and all the little extras F can be expensive too.  I don't think most folks would want their houseF monitored and controlled by junk-quality components.  It would be REAL7 annoying when it broke, and maybe unsafe in some cases.    Still, it's a nice idea.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 21:52:13 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations' Message-ID: <3B106BDD.F1AA3072@fsi.net>    Robert Deininger wrote:  > = > In article <3B1063A5.5460DEE8@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"   > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: >  > > Bill Pedersen wrote: > > >  > > > David: > > > Q > > > I would find this laudable.  What sort of price do you think you could sell 
 > > > it for?  > > > & > > > Let's say OpenVMS could be used. > > > Q > > > Obviously a DS10L is not where you want to be since the lowest price (list) 7 > > > is about $9,000, but where do you want the price?  > > K > > I'd expect circa. $5,000 installed to be about the median, no more than = > > the cost of, oh say, a new furnace installed. Most of the D > > temperature/pressure sensors should be commodity items. CO/smokeJ > > detectors with suitable interfaces may be a bit more difficult to find > > at "commodity" prices. > I > I'm not so sure.  Decent quality sensors for this sort of thing are not I > too cheap.  Signal conditioners, A/D modules, and all the little extras H > can be expensive too.  I don't think most folks would want their house7 > monitored and controlled by junk-quality components.    D You may be over-complicating these. Simple devices are less prone to? failure. Look at the temperature sensors on mobos, for example.    > It would be REAL9 > annoying when it broke, and maybe unsafe in some cases.   F The system would be self-diagnosing, issuing appropriate warnings when components fail.   > Still, it's a nice idea.   Agreed.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:03:17 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> 1 Subject: Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS? / Message-ID: <3B10595D.F6C97758@wasd.vsm.com.au>   G For any interested an in-development kit of SWISH-E indexing and search G package refered to elsewhere in this thread has been placed on the WASD & download page in the BETA release area     http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd/  ; Please refer SWISH-E port queries to Jean-Franois Pironne  (jfp@altavista.net).   System@Manager.com wrote:  > ; > Is there a product similar to Altavista/PC to build a VMS @ > documents database that could be searched by keywords, please? > Thank you. >  > SM > Q >  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  ----- O >   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups K >    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts N > made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:05:00 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> 1 Subject: Re: Altavista search engine for OpenVMS?g/ Message-ID: <3B1059C4.3C58D1A1@wasd.vsm.com.au>T  G For any interested an in-development kit of SWISH-E indexing and searchfG package refered to elsewhere in this thread has been placed on the WASDo download page in the BETA area     http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd/  ; Please refer SWISH-E port queries to Jean-Franois Pironneo (jfp@altavista.net).   Jean-Franois PIRONNE wrote:i >  > System@nospam.com wrote: > >oP > > In article <rdeininger-2205012307470001@user-2iveats.dialup.mindspring.com>, > >e8 > > Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspring.com> writes: > > >.J > > >Marc Krellenstein, CTO of NorthernLight, spoke at today's AlphaServerI > > >Diamond Forum.  NorthernLight does sell their indexing and searchingpN > > >software to corporate customers, and it does run on (only) VMS.  They canL > > >index html or just about any other data format.  No idea what it costs. > > ---8<--  > > Q > > Thank you all for your responses (and sorry for the stupid anonymous address.nH > > Our policy does not allow forum postings under a Corporate account).3 > > I will check and evaluate all of the responses.y > > P > > Does this mean that noone around developped a more powerful search tool than, > > the DCL Search facility? I am surprized. > >  > . > I have successfully port SWISH-E on OpenVMS. > F > SWISH-E is a tool for indexing files, there is filter for HTML, XML,* > postscript, GIF, and many other formats. > G > More information can be found on http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/SWISH-E/t > < > My port is integrate in the developement version of swish.F > Daily snapshots are at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:4444/swish-daily/ > which A > should be getting rather stable -- but considered a development4, > version since changes are stil being made. > D > For example i have indexed all the OpenVMS, Rdb,... documentations > J > A library is build so it is easly to integrate it into an other program. > G > Mark Daniel, the author of WASD, has buid a CGI program (SWISHESI) to  > query a SWISH-E dababase.  > = > You can find a demonstration on http://StarLet.DeltaTel.RU/o > F > My port is currently partial: only local files are indexed, the http7 > part use a script PERL ans i haven't all the modules.o > L > > I just copied the FREEWARE CD v4 onto a VMS disk and browsed through it. > > No more success. > >p > > Now, a question:Q > > Assuming you take over a system management position and the previous folk hassM > > left very far away without easy ways to communicate, what would you do to( > > know3 > > what is where on your brand new cluster system?k > >o) > > $ type/page [*...]*.com on all disks?  > >f > > SM > >rS > >  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----rQ > >   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupsoM > >    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postsvP > > made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 20:27:07 +0100t) From: "Kevin Erne" <kevin.erne@tesco.net>l5 Subject: Cobol procedure hanging writing to a mailboxy) Message-ID: <9eovsg$c3d$1@epos.tesco.net>l  L We have a cobol procedure on VMS 7.2 . The procedure updates a few files andI writes to a mailbox. The files are not closed at the end of the procedurea? because it can be called several times within the same process.sJ We recently add some extra functionality to the procedure i.e. extra files being updated ..5 Now the procedure hangs the second time it is called.R? We have traced the 'hanging' point to the write to the mailbox.6J We can see that the actual data is being written and when we manually read this from tha mailboxh our processs stops hanging.t( The write to the mailbox is via SYS$PUT.  L We  managed to stop the 'hanging' by forcing the close  of all the the files (except the mailbox)J after each call to the procedure but this takes up resource which may be a# problem when the program goes live.i@ The process has a file open limt of 99 and Enqueue quota of 1200   Any ideas ??   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 17:04:10 -0400e  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>9 Subject: Re: Cobol procedure hanging writing to a mailboxs6 Message-ID: <1010526165052.37731B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  & On Sat, 26 May 2001, Kevin Erne wrote:  N > We have a cobol procedure on VMS 7.2 . The procedure updates a few files andK > writes to a mailbox. The files are not closed at the end of the proceduremA > because it can be called several times within the same process.tL > We recently add some extra functionality to the procedure i.e. extra files > being updated ..7 > Now the procedure hangs the second time it is called. A > We have traced the 'hanging' point to the write to the mailbox. L > We can see that the actual data is being written and when we manually read > this from tha mailbox  > our processs stops hanging.y* > The write to the mailbox is via SYS$PUT. > N > We  managed to stop the 'hanging' by forcing the close  of all the the files > (except the mailbox)L > after each call to the procedure but this takes up resource which may be a% > problem when the program goes live. B > The process has a file open limt of 99 and Enqueue quota of 1200 >  > Any ideas ??  C Do a $ SHOW PROCESS/ID=xxxx/QUOTAS on the process while it is hung.lA Most likely, it is running out of "Buffered I/O byte count quota"oB (BYTLM in AUTHORIZE or /BUFFER_LIMIT in RUN/DETACHED) or "Buffered@ I/O limit" (BIOLM in AUTHORIZE or /IO_BUFFERED in RUN/DETACHED).@ Adjust the quotas using either AUTHORIZE or by changing your RUN3 command, depending on how you start up the process.t  < It also might be that nothing is reading the mailbox and the= write to the mailbox is not using the "NO WAIT" modifier.  If : this is the case, I'm not sure what you can do, other than< ensuring that the process that reads the mail box does so in< a timely manner, or re-writing the program to use $QIOW with; the "No Wait" modifier (either IO$M_NOW or IO$M_NOWAIT, I'm 8 not sure which for mailboxes - RTFM) instead of SYS$PUT.  = It is also possible that the mailbox was created (SYS$CREMBX)v; with a buffer quota equal to the normal message size, so ito< can only hold 1 message.  I think if you write to it in this8 case, the write will hang in RWMBX state until something8 reads the mailbox, freeing up space for the new message.8 If this is the case, change the SYS$CREMBX call to allow more messages.   -- . John Santosb Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 03:10:38 GMTm  From: "mhr" <mreilly36@home.com> Subject: DPWS cpu freq: Message-ID: <Oe_P6.14961$me4.49269@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com>  H I'm trying to find info on the cpu switch settings for a DPWS setup. AllK info gives 433 settings; what is the setting for 500,533 and 600 MHz chips? 
     Thanks                     mhre   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 23:44:41 +0100.+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>e Subject: Re: Internals manuals' Message-ID: <3B1031D9.16B75097@iee.org>n  - I'm guessing he wanted the VMS Internals and e Data Structures manuals.  , The last VAX set originally came out as five. volumes for V5.0 and were then updated to V5.2, and produced as a single hardback book (this was around 70-100 UKP IIRC).  % Or maybe he wanted the Alpha version?v   Antonio         ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:e >  > Certainly is.  > Part number QA-001AA-GZ.7.3 M > Reference : http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/6620/6620pro_009.html  > : > Last time I saw a price they were around 1100 pounds GB. > Steve. >  > Fabio asked: > >>>t > Just a question  ? > > > Is possible to buy the OpenVMS printed manuals from Compaq ? > <<<i   -- e   ---------------m- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgO   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 19:18:49 GMT-= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)r Subject: Re: IRCD for VMSl0 Message-ID: <009FC97F.A0F527AA@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <1VPP6.5204$Hd6.101469@news11-gui.server.ntli.net>, "Edward Brocklesby" <ejb@leguin.org.uk> writes: >Hi, >VM >I have ported ircd-hybrid-7 to VMS.  If anyone wants a copy, it can be foundi >at A >ftp://ftp.leguin.org.uk/pub/vms/ircd-hybrid-7-cvs-20010526_3.zipn >oM >after unzipping it, [.ircd-hybrid-7]readme.vms describes what has to be donea >to M >compile it, and what known issues are.  I've tested it on OpenVMS 7.2/Alpha, < >reports of success/failure on other system would be useful. >fJ >(on my system, compile in [.src] fails with DECC$GLOG_2 multiply defined, >butM >the generated ircd.exe still works.  if this happens to you, just run mmk ina	 >[.tools]  >manually).6 >  >    -larne- >v >J  J Gee, that's nice.  Perhaps it would even nicer if you explained what IRCD I is.  Those that have not heard of this package might take an interest and  give it a try. --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 16:40:46 -0400t  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: IRCD for VMSf6 Message-ID: <1010526163442.37731A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  2 On Sat, 26 May 2001 system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  p > In article <1VPP6.5204$Hd6.101469@news11-gui.server.ntli.net>, "Edward Brocklesby" <ejb@leguin.org.uk> writes: > >Hi, > >pO > >I have ported ircd-hybrid-7 to VMS.  If anyone wants a copy, it can be founde > >atfC > >ftp://ftp.leguin.org.uk/pub/vms/ircd-hybrid-7-cvs-20010526_3.zipa > >rO > >after unzipping it, [.ircd-hybrid-7]readme.vms describes what has to be donee > >to O > >compile it, and what known issues are.  I've tested it on OpenVMS 7.2/Alpha,t> > >reports of success/failure on other system would be useful. > >gL > >(on my system, compile in [.src] fails with DECC$GLOG_2 multiply defined, > >butO > >the generated ircd.exe still works.  if this happens to you, just run mmk ine > >[.tools] 
 > >manually).. > >' > >    -larne- > >i > >  > L > Gee, that's nice.  Perhaps it would even nicer if you explained what IRCD K > is.  Those that have not heard of this package might take an interest and( > give it a try. > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM 
 >             Q > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.   E I don't know for sure, but IRC is Internet Relay Chat, an IP protocoleB similar to a multiuser VMS PHONE utility.  You run your IRC clientA program on your local computer, connect to an IRC server, log in,uC attach to one of the conversations (I think the big servers supportrC hundreds or thousands of simultaneous conversations), and what ever A you type or anyone else types appears on all your screens, with ad tag indicating who said what..  = My guess is IRCD is an IRC daemon, I.E. Unix-speak for an IRC 8 server.  If so, this is a good thing for VMS to support.   -- i John Santos) Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 21:26:16 +0000 (UTC)d& From: dsf@frontiernet.net (Dan Foster) Subject: Re: IRCD for VMSe5 Message-ID: <9ep71o$1fcq$1@node21.cwnet.roc.gblx.net>p  6 In article <1010526163442.37731A-100000@Ives.egh.com>,< >> VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 wrote: >>M >> Gee, that's nice.  Perhaps it would even nicer if you explained what IRCD sL >> is.  Those that have not heard of this package might take an interest and >> give it a try.  >> --l  H My guess is that the initial announcement was more targeted toward thoseJ who had an existing interest and knowledge. Not an inherently unreasonableI proposition. Sarcasm not necessary - if you were truly curious, could aske' while checking the sarcasm at the door.i  F I'd answer your question, but looks like Mr. Santos has already nicely2 answered it, so I'll add just a little more to it.  " John Santos  <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:F >I don't know for sure, but IRC is Internet Relay Chat, an IP protocolC >similar to a multiuser VMS PHONE utility.  You run your IRC clienteB >program on your local computer, connect to an IRC server, log in,D >attach to one of the conversations (I think the big servers supportD >hundreds or thousands of simultaneous conversations), and what everB >you type or anyone else types appears on all your screens, with a >tag indicating who said what. >a> >My guess is IRCD is an IRC daemon, I.E. Unix-speak for an IRC9 >server.  If so, this is a good thing for VMS to support.   ; That would be correct, with respect to being an IRC server.e  E Best way I can explain IRC to those unfamiliar with it is as it beingnI an Internet-wide PHONE utility, in a sense. :) Similar to a chat room(s). I Of course, not limited to 6 people :-) (Or was that 5? Haven't used PHONEl in eons, heh.)  E Two components to it: someone provides an IRC server machine with IRCDG server software running on it. Then all the other users of IRC connectsdL to it via their IRC client software -- mIRC and pirch for Windows, Homer forI Macintosh, ircII for UNIX, etc. (I'm sure there *has* to be a VMS port ofcE at least ircII or one of the CLI-based IRC clients. Me? I use ircII.)p  K As a side note -- I'm familiar with the operation of an IRC server hub, and.I they do indeed run into the thousands of clients per server. I think I'vemB even seen 10,000 IRC clients connected to a major hub at one time.  N IRC's an useful technology - at work, we use it to help connect communicationsJ for employees from all over the United States (and the world, too!) and weJ get a lot done and helps to resolve things faster -- can resolve crises inJ real time via IRC when practical. Paste stuff directly into an IRC window,I discuss options rapidly, execute, disseminate results, and so forth. It'sbJ also a medium that provides a level playing ground for certain folks, suchK as myself who cannot hear and hence, cannot participate in teleconferences. G It also helps our international folks - accents don't get in the way ofh- comprehension for communication, for example.h   -Dan   ------------------------------    Date: 27 May 2001 05:20:35 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: IRCD for VMSl- Message-ID: <87r8xboli4.fsf@prep.synonet.com>f  ? system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:   @ > In article <1VPP6.5204$Hd6.101469@news11-gui.server.ntli.net>,1 > "Edward Brocklesby" <ejb@leguin.org.uk> writes:o  F > >I have ported ircd-hybrid-7 to VMS.  If anyone wants a copy, it can > >be found atC > >ftp://ftp.leguin.org.uk/pub/vms/ircd-hybrid-7-cvs-20010526_3.zip(D > >after unzipping it, [.ircd-hybrid-7]readme.vms describes what hasD > >to be done to compile it, and what known issues are.  I've testedF > >it on OpenVMS 7.2/Alpha, reports of success/failure on other system > >would be useful.   C > >(on my system, compile in [.src] fails with DECC$GLOG_2 multiplycD > >defined, but the generated ircd.exe still works.  if this happens. > >to you, just run mmk in [.tools] manually).  F > Gee, that's nice.  Perhaps it would even nicer if you explained whatC > IRCD is.  Those that have not heard of this package might take ana > interest and give it a try.i  - She who wants to be obeyed could tell you. :)   / You have not heard of IRC? Internet Relay Chat?   F IRCDs form a tree network to carry the 'chat' and control the clients,7 what your daughter runs till you drop her connection :)o  F Rumoured it was invented to train Uni admins in dealing with napster..  D Now doing an outstandingly good IRCD probably would get VMS noticed.C Last time I dared check, on of the IRC nets had ~12k chat groups on  it! No idea how many users.    -- i< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov c   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 17:52:56 -0500 . From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>" Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed. Message-ID: <3B0FED78.58089465@pressenter.com>   Wayne Sewell wrote:d > P > And a future headline will be: "Navy Carrier Launches Cruise Missle at Tehran, > Wipes out Chicago".s >     Given Microsoft's history maybe:    D a) "Missile launched.... Install service pack 5 for further flight."7 b) "Missile launched.... Returned to ship and sank it."i   -- gG My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my 	 employer.M    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 21:19:41 -0500t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> " Subject: Re: Microsoft and Lockeed' Message-ID: <3B10643D.4642C626@fsi.net>    Lyndon Bartels wrote:  >  > Wayne Sewell wrote:o > > R > > And a future headline will be: "Navy Carrier Launches Cruise Missle at Tehran, > > Wipes out Chicago".i > >e > " > Given Microsoft's history maybe: > F > a) "Missile launched.... Install service pack 5 for further flight.";      then instal SP6 for control of missile while in-flight ?      (requires security patch(es) for secure ground-to-air link-D      until further vulnerabilities are discovered, either in the lab      or in combat). 9 > b) "Missile launched.... Returned to ship and sank it.":   -- t David J. DachteraH dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 23:17:09 +0100G+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>a/ Subject: Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware questiont' Message-ID: <3B102B65.556CE1B3@iee.org>    Paul Repacholi wrote:yD > And now for the irony. A 3100 is worth nothing, Info-servers stillD > attract real money... Pity you can't use a worthless 3100 and have! > to find a IS, and pay for it...   + But for some 3100s (I'm being vague because:+ I forget whether this was VS3100 or uV3100)e# one could boot them as infoservers.s  * I don't know the details (since it was the' IS group doing it) but it was certainlyn) a standard 3100 running as an infoserver.s  ) I have no idea whether this could be doneo, with whatever the latest infoserver software* is these days, nor did I ever ask what the( magic incantation was to make it happen.   Antonioe     -- F   ---------------n- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orge   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.291 ************************