1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 31 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 299       Contents: Re: 7.3 kits 7.3 kits - Missing Manuals?  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  Re: Affordable VMS Workstations O Re: Affordable VMS Workstations... All of a Sudden Alpha Looks More Competitive & Re: Alphaserver 300 and OpenVMS V7.2-1& Re: Alphaserver 300 and OpenVMS V7.2-1 Andrew is rescued after all : Re: Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet accessF Re: Announcement: Official VAX 6000 with guest account on the internet$ Re: Anyone know what happened to OMI$ Re: Anyone know what happened to OMI$ Re: Anyone know what happened to OMI$ Re: Anyone know what happened to OMI% Re: Apache WebServer - How do I query ) Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM - Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM - Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM - RE: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM - Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM - RE: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM - Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM - Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM % Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member.  Re: CD-RW on a VMS system. Re: CD-RW on a VMS system. Re: CD-RW on a VMS system. Re: CD-RW on a VMS system.' Re: DECEvent, WEBESs - what's going on?  Re: disk benchmarking  Re: disk benchmarking  Re: disk benchmarking " HELP: OpenVMS Newbie needs help!!!O HOW to config and start decnet.  was( Can't SET HOST to cluster memberADDENDUM) $ Re: HSDSA Scrip in a Batch Procedure& Hung tape drive - OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2* Re: Hung tape drive - OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2* Re: Hung tape drive - OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2* Re: Hung tape drive - OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 RE: hz70 throughput # Re: IBM opens their Linux Mainframe # Re: IBM opens their Linux Mainframe # Re: IBM opens their Linux Mainframe # Re: IBM opens their Linux Mainframe  Re: IRCD for VMS Re: IRCD for VMS Re: Login/Logout Problem5 Re: Oracle Export 8.1.7 much slower than 7.3.2 on VMS 5 Re: Oracle Export 8.1.7 much slower than 7.3.2 on VMS  Re: PGP revisited  Re: PGP revisited  Re: PGP revisited % RaidArray 310/HSZ20 Firmware Question  Re: Rambus loses another one2 Size of VMS patch kits and new compression options6 Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression options6 Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression options* Re: TCP/IP based printing from VAX/VMS 6.2& TCP/IP based printing from VAX/VMS 6.2* Re: TCP/IP based printing from VAX/VMS 6.2 Re: vms Emulation on NT  Re: vms Emulation on NT : Re: VMS Home Automation (was: Affordable VMS Workstations): Re: VMS Home Automation (was: Affordable VMS Workstations) VMS Musings  Re: VMS password cracking  Re: VMS password cracking ' Re: VMS price increases, rumor or fact? & Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware question& Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware question& Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware question& Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware question& Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware question WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.  Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS. Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML? Re: What does READ/NEW do ? , Re: Will OpenVMS 6.2 support 18 & 36GB disks Re: Writing a MAIL script ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 03:14:56 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: 7.3 kits - Message-ID: <878zje4pjj.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   3 "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> writes:   F > No this was not a staged photo for the manual set.  It was one of anD > environment that is obviously multivendor and reflected the desire@ > of upper management to get across that OpenVMS plays nice in a > company's IT sandbox.    > Or so I've been told.   ' Did you larf/throw up as they told you?   ) Well, now we know where Dilbert works. :)    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:59:14 -0400   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com$ Subject: 7.3 kits - Missing Manuals?4 Message-ID: <C2256A5C.00681D72.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  L I find no replacement in QA-001AA-WZ-073 OVMS VAX+ALPHA FULL DOC UPD for the
 following:  N AA-PV68B-TK OPENVMS PROGRAMMING INTERFACES: CALLING A SYSTEM SUBROUTINE [V7.1]D AA-PV6UC-TE OPENVMS ALPHA SYSTEM DUMP ANALYZER UTILITY MANUAL [V7.1]I AA-QJGDB-TE OPENVMS VAX TCP/IP NETWORKING ON OPENVMS SYSTEMS (7.1) [V7.1] L AA-QSBCC-TE OPENVMS ALPHA GUIDE TO 64-BIT ADDRESSING AND VLM FEATURES [V7.2]M AA-QSBKB-TE MIGRATING AN APPLICATION FROM OPENVMS VAX TO OPENVMS ALPHA (V7.1)  [V7.1]O AA-R0Y8A-TE OPENVMS CREATING AN OPENVMS ALPHA DEVICE DRIVER FROM AN OPENVMS VAX  DEVICE DRIVER [V7.1]   Are these still valid?: Are these still part of the doc set (just not superseded)? Are these Obsolete?   O Note:  The Documentation Overview has been combined within the new New Features  Manual   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:51:48 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> ( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations$ Message-ID: <3b153350$1@news.si.com>  F >Not only through the internet.  It works over a modem connection too.  I But not, according to the technical advisories I get, with DSNlink 2.x or - 3.x.  Only DSNlink 1.x can handle SICL calls.  --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 01:42:45 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations- Message-ID: <87n17u68dm.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> writes:   I > Well the annual subscription to the OpenVMS Alpha SDK is about $700.00.   ? > Now, I have seen people say this is unreasonable.  It this is E > unreasonable as an investment in your development in a product, and < > you have access to a wide variety of development tools and= > applications to support that development by using this I am D > perplexed with your plan of development.  It is sorely underfundedD > if you expect to succeed in the overall development of product and > business to support it.   E I suspect the reallity is, that if you had it runniog, but 'not quite @ ready fopr real time', Compaq would love to talk to you, and the' $<mumble>hundred problem would go away.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 01:52:33 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations- Message-ID: <87itii67xa.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   3 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:   @ > Imagine - NT crashes a thing of the past, M$ security holes noF > longer a major concern (well, there's still the desktop to conquer),C > banks of Proliant servers replaced by Alpha machines at ratios of # > from 5:1 to 10:1 (Intel:Alpha)...   D > HEY!!! WAIT A MINUTE! Wouldn't the Q be shooting themselves in the > Proliant foot?  @ Well, if it's 10:1, and that stupid 32way thing, we will have to find a fraction of an alpha.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 01:56:02 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>( Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations- Message-ID: <87elt667rh.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   & Wolfgang Rupp <rupp@chello.at> writes:  5 > David Mathog <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote:   B > > Much as I detest the security on Solaris, I've got to say thatD > > it's really been a pleasure to be able to grab 20 or so packagesD > > and install them without a hiccup, without once having to modify= > > the code.  And Compaq could do well to just outright copy  > > www.sunfreeware.com.  E > Much as I like to whack Compaq over the head :-) I have to say that E > the most important freeware/GNU packages come right with Tru64 on a @ > distribution media CD. And most of the rest is available with:E > download-untar-make. So, while this may be a VMS specific issue, it ! > is not a Compaq specific issue.   A > Since I "use" VMS only on two home computers, I don't know what B > comes with a VMS media kit. As I understand from your posts, theF > situation is considerably worse compared to Unix. Maybe the Q can be > made aware of that fact.  C VMS too, sort of. GS is burried in Document, and  the tarball lurks 
 in there too.   D Not only does T64 include GNU stuff, emacs is an install option, butB all the sources are there. No 'contact...' that I've seen from one at least one other case.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------    Date: 30 May 2001 14:53:22 -0700" From: cstranslations@msn.com (Joe)X Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations... All of a Sudden Alpha Looks More Competitive= Message-ID: <d56d1c2d.0105301353.556f5624@posting.google.com>   o "Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote in message news:<thabocnn8r5p35@news.supernews.com>... J > Or you could buy an Alpha 500Mhz from Island , with 1GB RAM, 18GB Ultra2; > Disk Next day replacement parts for less than $2000   :0)  >  > Hmmm - > K > Granted theyre refurbished - but they look good and they work - what else  > does one need ?   D Um - the latest and greatest in the way of bells, whistles, what theA person in the next cube has, and Microsoft/Intel tell us we need.   $ Picture lemmings rushing to the sea.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:18:15 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>/ Subject: Re: Alphaserver 300 and OpenVMS V7.2-1 6 Message-ID: <1010530141033.52578B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  * On Wed, 30 May 2001, J. Scott Greig wrote:   > B > > 2) I assume that this system booted V6.2 WITH THE IDENTICAL HW > CONFIGURATION L >         Not quite. The original system had only 64 MB memory.  When one of > the banks "broke",N >         field service replaced the 32MB bank with a 128MB bank, hence 160MB.
 > However,L >         apart from the memory diffference, V6.2 and V7.1 (with all the Y2K > patches)  ran on this " >         identical configuration.  - Did you run AUTOGEN after the memory upgrade?   I BTW, I had a problem with AUTOGEN getting automatically run to boost some F parameters for DECWindows but failing to actually change them, causing@ and infinite loop of boot - offer to run autogen - run autogen -D change nothing - boot ...  Broke the loop by refusing to run autogen= (DECWindows didn't start), put some "MIN_xxx" or "ADD_xxx" in F modparams.dat, ran autogen and rebooted.  This was on a pair of ES40'sE last summer.  I think a later ECO fixed is supposed to fix it so that E the automatic autogen actually boosts the necessary parameters, which D are mentioned in the message that says "not enough free xxx's to runH DECWindows - run AUTOGEN?", so figuring out what to add to modparams.dat wasn't rocket science.   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:59:41 -0400 , From: "J. Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com>/ Subject: Re: Alphaserver 300 and OpenVMS V7.2-1 2 Message-ID: <b8dR6.3407$Mb7.247207@brie.direct.ca>  - "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message 0 news:1010530141033.52578B-100000@Ives.egh.com..., > On Wed, 30 May 2001, J. Scott Greig wrote: >  > > D > > > 2) I assume that this system booted V6.2 WITH THE IDENTICAL HW > > CONFIGURATION K > >         Not quite. The original system had only 64 MB memory.  When one  of > > the banks "broke",I > >         field service replaced the 32MB bank with a 128MB bank, hence  160MB. > > However,J > >         apart from the memory diffference, V6.2 and V7.1 (with all the Y2K  > > patches)  ran on this $ > >         identical configuration. > / > Did you run AUTOGEN after the memory upgrade?        Yup.  <     I have since done the following (at the console prompt):  K     >>> isacfg -init     (This effectively removes the grahics adapter from :                                     the ISA configuration)     >>> init  3     Normally, I would have issued the >>>add_mach64 >     command here.  But instead, I ran >>>iconfig, and MANUALLY4     entered the device name of ISA--CFG and Enable=Y       >>>init G     >>>isacfg -all  Now shows the ISA--CFG device as ISA slot 1, device H                             number 0.  The >>>add_mach64 command made it slot 5,                             device number 0.       >>>boot   I     Now, when the system boots, the "normal" console screen appears (i.e.  the K     smaller white on blue character screen), and when DECWindows starts up, J     I get the Grey screen, with then DECWindows black arrow mouse pointer,A     but no welcome screen!  At last, some progress has been made.   ,     Any DECWindows guys want to add to this?   Scott  > K > BTW, I had a problem with AUTOGEN getting automatically run to boost some H > parameters for DECWindows but failing to actually change them, causingB > and infinite loop of boot - offer to run autogen - run autogen -F > change nothing - boot ...  Broke the loop by refusing to run autogen? > (DECWindows didn't start), put some "MIN_xxx" or "ADD_xxx" in H > modparams.dat, ran autogen and rebooted.  This was on a pair of ES40'sG > last summer.  I think a later ECO fixed is supposed to fix it so that G > the automatic autogen actually boosts the necessary parameters, which F > are mentioned in the message that says "not enough free xxx's to runJ > DECWindows - run AUTOGEN?", so figuring out what to add to modparams.dat > wasn't rocket science. >  > --
 > John Santos  > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539 >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:41:08 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> $ Subject: Andrew is rescued after all1 Message-ID: <3B1522A4.C0537F0E@BlueBubble.UK.Com>    Alan Greig wrote:  >  > According to The Register: > >Sun Microsystems has told it employees NOT to use the Internet in an effort to shave a few dollars off its phone bill and thereby make its annual results look a bit better.  > >  > 7 > See http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/19277.html  >  > What will Andrew do all day?  * Yippee !  Andrew's been rescued after all.  6 See: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19318.html  > Thanks goodness for that.  Imagine the withdrawal symptoms ...  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:40:39 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com C Subject: Re: Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet access D Message-ID: <OFED9E171B.F015183C-ON88256A5C.00610843@foundation.com>  G If he stays around, it'll be close to proof he's officially sanctioned.    Shane           9 Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> on 05/30/2001 07:04:50 AM   1 Please respond to Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como cc:2  @ Subject:  Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet access       According to The Register:E >Sun Microsystems has told it employees NOT to use the Internet in aniE effort to shave a few dollars off its phone bill and thereby make its.! annual results look a bit better.  >p  5 See http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/19277.htmlh   What will Andrew do all day? -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:36:37 GMTc! From: Ian Parker <parker@gol.com>XO Subject: Re: Announcement: Official VAX 6000 with guest account on the internete& Message-ID: <PTOKdEA2WDF7EwMm@gol.com>  H In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105291757360.12845-100000@firewall.wes.mee.co2 m>, Freddy Meerwaldt <frederik@freddym.org> writes >Hi people on comp.os.vms, > E >a friend of mine has put his private, non-commercial VAX 6000 onlinee$ >(24x7) and created a guest account.( >So everyone is welcome to this machine.H >Especially people who read the Newsgroup and are just curious about VMSK >and its features, and have no other way to get access to a VMS machine mayt >find this machine useful.8 >The VAX 6000 is a VAX 6310 (Means: VAX 6000 model 300 1& >processor) running OpenVMS 7.2, whichK >may be upgraded as soon as we find more Hardware (so if you have any sparewH >Memory or CPU Boards for the 6300 or the 6400 VAXen, or any other spare, >XMI/BI boards feel free to drop me a mail). >! >Here is the login-information:  >s >Host: vax6k.openecs.org' >Username: Guest (no password required)B >hF >This host supports SSH Login too (it won't be necessary for the Guest/ >account, but perhaps for later real accounts).n > ) >See you on vax6k.openecs.org - have fun! = >(If you have trouble accessing the machine, drop me a mail).a >Best Regards, >       Freddy >      That's excellent.  Well done.u   Regards    IanB -- n
 Ian Parker   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:27:25 GMTm- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)2- Subject: Re: Anyone know what happened to OMIh0 Message-ID: <3b153b03.15585370@news.process.com>  N On Wed, 30 May 2001 12:36:17 -0500, Patrick Spinler <spinler.patrick@mayo.edu> wrote:   >e >Folks:  > I >At one point there was a package "Oscar's Menu Interpreter" which was toc& >be had from http://www.oveas.net/omi. >iG >Unfortunately, oveas.net no longer exists.  Does anyone have a current2 >reference to this package ? >VF This isn't a current reference, but if you're looking for a version of# the package, you can find one here:M  * ftp://mvb.saic.com/vmslt97a/net97a/omi.zip   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/g9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:09:13 +0200sA From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.ivalid>f- Subject: Re: Anyone know what happened to OMI 6 Message-ID: <3B155369.7FAE@this.mailaddress.is.ivalid>   Patrick Spinler wrote: >  > Folks: > r > At one point there was a package "Oscar's Menu Interpreter" which was > to be had from http://www.oveas.net/omi. >   A Your link forwards me to http://software.oveas.net/omi/ where you A can find version 2.0 . But it looks like they have a dns problem,-) because I only got it after a second try.    -- a ME   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:41:34 -0400j  From: jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil- Subject: Re: Anyone know what happened to OMIs0 Message-ID: <01053016413449@beast.dtsw.army.mil>  D Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.ivalid> wrote onN Wed, 30 May 2001 22:09:13 +0200 in <3B155369.7FAE@this.mailaddress.is.ivalid>:   > Patrick Spinler wrote: > > 
 > > Folks: > > R > > At one point there was a package "Oscar's Menu Interpreter" which was > to be $ > had from http://www.oveas.net/omi. > >  > C > Your link forwards me to http://software.oveas.net/omi/ where you C > can find version 2.0 . But it looks like they have a dns problem, + > because I only got it after a second try.-  " Please post the actual ip address.   Thank you very much,  : Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com5 TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919e; 2024 West Street, Suite 300              800-810-0827 x1919u5 Annapolis, MD 21401-3556           fax   410-280-1094D   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:11:30 +02000B From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>- Subject: Re: Anyone know what happened to OMI 7 Message-ID: <3B156202.1DE4@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>M  ! jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil wrote:  > E > > Your link forwards me to http://software.oveas.net/omi/ where you E > > can find version 2.0 . But it looks like they have a dns problem,V- > > because I only got it after a second try.  > $ > Please post the actual ip address.  & This is what I get with a DNS lookup :   Host name: software.oveas.netN IP address: 208.230.134.96 Alias(es): Nonet   -- i ME   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:57:00 GMTo) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton) . Subject: Re: Apache WebServer - How do I query1 Message-ID: <3b155dcd.262251427@news.wcc.govt.nz>e   Dirk,   : You're a genius, many thanks, worked exactly as suggested.* Like many things simple when you know how!  E Just needed the alias, (no directory statement) didn't use a trailingo, "/"  on either side of the alias statement.   5 href then just call http://node/asliasname/index.htmli   Rob.      A On Wed, 30 May 2001 05:53:50 GMT, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:-  K >It is quite simple. You have to edit the httpd.conf file, and add an aliasrE >for every directory tree outside the standard Apache directory tree.n >e >For instance: >s" >Alias /vmsdocs/ "/dka200/000000/" > ; ><Directory "/dka200/000000">       << no end slash here !!p >    options bla bla bal .... 
 ></Directory>- >- >- >Rob Buxton wrote: > 
 >> Hi All, >>1 >> Just installed the Apache WebServer under VMS.yH >> Cool, it all works, and after copying some of our documentation I can >> see it all. >>D >> What I want to do is be able to serve the VMS Docs CD Internally. >>, >> So, what does the href command look like? >>F >> I'm not quite sure how I'm going to be able to call a device that's. >> external to the Apache directory Structure. >>C >> The CD will be mounted on zippy$dka400:, so I need to be able todI >> traverse back up from the Apache Server root directory and back to theh >> CD. >> tried various things:= >> href = "../zippy$dka400:/000000/index.html      through too" >> href = "zippy$dka400/index.html >> etc. etc. >>2 >> Clues or pointers to documentation appreciated. >> >> Many Thanks in Advance, >> >> Rob.  >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:37:28 -0700n! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> 2 Subject: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEIECKAA.tom@kednos.com>l  H I have three machines that form a cluster (6.2 and 7.1 on AXp and 7.1 on VAX)  3 All of a sudden I can't get to the VAX or out of itf  = %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachablew  I if I do a SHOW CLUSTER it looks fine, so there must be connectivity.  TheM' activity lights on the hub look normal.o   Any thoughts are appreciated  H I forgot to add that I switched form a 4000/60  to a 4000/90 a couple of weeks ago by simply J moving the drives and rebooting, and I may not have done a SET HOST since.9 Obviously decnet is running because it joins the cluster.n   TIA  Tom'   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:40:49 -0400l( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>6 Subject: Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM+ Message-ID: <3B155AD1.CD723644@bigfoot.com>l  = What is the output of the fillowing commands on this machine:  MCR NCP SHO KNOWN LINESt MCR NCP SHO KNOWN CIRC   ?l   HM   Tom Linden wrote:   J > I have three machines that form a cluster (6.2 and 7.1 on AXp and 7.1 on > VAX) > 5 > All of a sudden I can't get to the VAX or out of iti >0? > %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachablef >gK > if I do a SHOW CLUSTER it looks fine, so there must be connectivity.  Thei) > activity lights on the hub look normal.- >- > Any thoughts are appreciated >0J > I forgot to add that I switched form a 4000/60  to a 4000/90 a couple of > weeks ago by simplyDL > moving the drives and rebooting, and I may not have done a SET HOST since.; > Obviously decnet is running because it joins the cluster.  >  > TIA  > Tomt   ------------------------------    Date: 30 May 2001 16:41:09 -05003 From: malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg)n6 Subject: Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM3 Message-ID: <qdzUT$qzIMxP@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  9 In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEIECKAA.tom@kednos.com>,e# Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes:hJ > I have three machines that form a cluster (6.2 and 7.1 on AXp and 7.1 on > VAX) > 5 > All of a sudden I can't get to the VAX or out of itl >e? > %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachablei >sK > if I do a SHOW CLUSTER it looks fine, so there must be connectivity.  Thew) > activity lights on the hub look normal.e >i > Any thoughts are appreciated > J > I forgot to add that I switched form a 4000/60  to a 4000/90 a couple of > weeks ago by simplyeL > moving the drives and rebooting, and I may not have done a SET HOST since.; > Obviously decnet is running because it joins the cluster.N  N No, DECNET is not required for it to join the cluster.  Cluster communications do not use DECNET.  O I am not familiar if the VAXStation 4000 Model 60 and the VAXStation 4000 Model J 90 share the same ethernet hardware.  If they do not, then you must change. the name of the device in the decnet database.  M Assuming phase IV, the easiest way to do that is to run the NETCONFIG commandf file.e   What does the following show?h   $MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN CIRC $MCR NCP LIST KNOWN CIRC $MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN LINKS- $MCR NCP LIST KNOWN LINKS.  I It may be that the quotas that were sufficient for the one VAXstation areMB not sufficient for the other.  I do not think that is likely here.C Running autogen after you get DECNET fixed would probably be a good  idea.r   -John" wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlye   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:29:21 -0700M! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> 6 Subject: RE: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEIOCKAA.tom@kednos.com>d  K No information in database.  So how do I run the NETCONFIG command file.  Ie did a search= for *netconfig*.*  but found nothing  Do you mean to run NCP?e       > -----Original Message-----< > From: John E. Malmberg [mailto:malmberg@encompasserve.org]' > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:41 PM3 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr8 > Subject: Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM >a >O; > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEIECKAA.tom@kednos.com>,.% > Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes:tL > > I have three machines that form a cluster (6.2 and 7.1 on AXp and 7.1 on > > VAX) > >O7 > > All of a sudden I can't get to the VAX or out of itd > > A > > %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachablee > > : > > if I do a SHOW CLUSTER it looks fine, so there must be > connectivity.  The+ > > activity lights on the hub look normal.( > >a  > > Any thoughts are appreciated > > L > > I forgot to add that I switched form a 4000/60  to a 4000/90 a couple of > > weeks ago by simplylB > > moving the drives and rebooting, and I may not have done a SET
 > HOST since. = > > Obviously decnet is running because it joins the cluster.  >bA > No, DECNET is not required for it to join the cluster.  Cluster. > communications > do not use DECNET. >n; > I am not familiar if the VAXStation 4000 Model 60 and thei > VAXStation 4000 ModeltL > 90 share the same ethernet hardware.  If they do not, then you must change0 > the name of the device in the decnet database. >a= > Assuming phase IV, the easiest way to do that is to run ther > NETCONFIG commands > file.  >s > What does the following show?E >n > $MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN CIRC > $MCR NCP LIST KNOWN CIRC > $MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN LINKSe > $MCR NCP LIST KNOWN LINKS. > K > It may be that the quotas that were sufficient for the one VAXstation are-D > not sufficient for the other.  I do not think that is likely here.E > Running autogen after you get DECNET fixed would probably be a goode > idea.  >d > -Johnb > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only@ >.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:15:50 -0400 ( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>6 Subject: Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM+ Message-ID: <3B157F26.4224B99A@bigfoot.com>    $ @sys$startup:netconfig   Tom Linden wrote:l  M > No information in database.  So how do I run the NETCONFIG command file.  I  > did a search? > for *netconfig*.*  but found nothing  Do you mean to run NCP?  >p > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: John E. Malmberg [mailto:malmberg@encompasserve.org]) > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:41 PM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come: > > Subject: Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM > >  > >h= > > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEIECKAA.tom@kednos.com>,y' > > Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes: N > > > I have three machines that form a cluster (6.2 and 7.1 on AXp and 7.1 on
 > > > VAX) > > >s9 > > > All of a sudden I can't get to the VAX or out of ita > > >oC > > > %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachablee > > > < > > > if I do a SHOW CLUSTER it looks fine, so there must be > > connectivity.  The- > > > activity lights on the hub look normal.d > > >4" > > > Any thoughts are appreciated > > > N > > > I forgot to add that I switched form a 4000/60  to a 4000/90 a couple of > > > weeks ago by simplypD > > > moving the drives and rebooting, and I may not have done a SET > > HOST since.a? > > > Obviously decnet is running because it joins the cluster.r > >oC > > No, DECNET is not required for it to join the cluster.  Clusterb > > communications > > do not use DECNET. > > = > > I am not familiar if the VAXStation 4000 Model 60 and thet > > VAXStation 4000 ModeloN > > 90 share the same ethernet hardware.  If they do not, then you must change2 > > the name of the device in the decnet database. > >r? > > Assuming phase IV, the easiest way to do that is to run thes > > NETCONFIG commandD	 > > file.i > >s! > > What does the following show?x > >  > > $MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN CIRC > > $MCR NCP LIST KNOWN CIRC > > $MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN LINKS  > > $MCR NCP LIST KNOWN LINKS. > > M > > It may be that the quotas that were sufficient for the one VAXstation areeF > > not sufficient for the other.  I do not think that is likely here.G > > Running autogen after you get DECNET fixed would probably be a goodo	 > > idea.d > > 	 > > -Johne > > wb8tyw@qsl.network > > Personal Opinion Onlyi > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:34:01 -0700 ! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>06 Subject: RE: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEJDCKAA.tom@kednos.com>3  E No such file, but there is a NET$CONFIGURE.COM in SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR}g is this what you mean? also a NET$AUTOGEN.COM   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Hamlyn Mootoo [mailto:univms@bigfoot.com]d' > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:16 PMi > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt8 > Subject: Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM >  >  > $ @sys$startup:netconfig >  > Tom Linden wrote:  > ? > > No information in database.  So how do I run the NETCONFIG   > command file.  I > > did a searchA > > for *netconfig*.*  but found nothing  Do you mean to run NCP?- > >-  > > > -----Original Message-----@ > > > From: John E. Malmberg [mailto:malmberg@encompasserve.org]+ > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:41 PMb > > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com < > > > Subject: Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM > > >y > > >d? > > > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEIECKAA.tom@kednos.com>, ) > > > Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes:nB > > > > I have three machines that form a cluster (6.2 and 7.1 on  > AXp and 7.1 on > > > > VAX) > > > >o; > > > > All of a sudden I can't get to the VAX or out of itt > > > >eE > > > > %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachablel > > > > > > > > > if I do a SHOW CLUSTER it looks fine, so there must be > > > connectivity.  The/ > > > > activity lights on the hub look normal.  > > > >p$ > > > > Any thoughts are appreciated > > > > = > > > > I forgot to add that I switched form a 4000/60  to a - > 4000/90 a couple of, > > > > weeks ago by simplyrF > > > > moving the drives and rebooting, and I may not have done a SET > > > HOST since.cA > > > > Obviously decnet is running because it joins the cluster.n > > >eE > > > No, DECNET is not required for it to join the cluster.  Clusterd > > > communications > > > do not use DECNET. > > >o? > > > I am not familiar if the VAXStation 4000 Model 60 and them > > > VAXStation 4000 Model4A > > > 90 share the same ethernet hardware.  If they do not, then a > you must change 4 > > > the name of the device in the decnet database. > > > A > > > Assuming phase IV, the easiest way to do that is to run theh > > > NETCONFIG commandi > > > file.T > > >6# > > > What does the following show?d > > >1 > > > $MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN CIRC > > > $MCR NCP LIST KNOWN CIRC > > > $MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN LINKSf  > > > $MCR NCP LIST KNOWN LINKS. > > >dA > > > It may be that the quotas that were sufficient for the one s > VAXstation areH > > > not sufficient for the other.  I do not think that is likely here.I > > > Running autogen after you get DECNET fixed would probably be a goodS > > > idea.i > > >  > > > -Johnf > > > wb8tyw@qsl.network > > > Personal Opinion Onlyu > > >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:25:56 -0400 ( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>6 Subject: Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM+ Message-ID: <3B158F94.CC4B5B03@bigfoot.com>   K I take it your running phase V DECnet - sorry I assumed phase IV.  Yes, runo NET$CONFIGURE.COMm   HM   Tom Linden wrote::  G > No such file, but there is a NET$CONFIGURE.COM in SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR}. > is this what you mean? > also a NET$AUTOGEN.COM >r > > -----Original Message-----3 > > From: Hamlyn Mootoo [mailto:univms@bigfoot.com]r) > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:16 PMw > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com:: > > Subject: Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM > >s > >D > > $ @sys$startup:netconfig > >n > > Tom Linden wrote:V > >s@ > > > No information in database.  So how do I run the NETCONFIG > > command file.  I > > > did a searchC > > > for *netconfig*.*  but found nothing  Do you mean to run NCP?G > > > " > > > > -----Original Message-----B > > > > From: John E. Malmberg [mailto:malmberg@encompasserve.org]- > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:41 PM3! > > > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi> > > > > Subject: Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM > > > >A > > > >wA > > > > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEIECKAA.tom@kednos.com>,.+ > > > > Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes:oC > > > > > I have three machines that form a cluster (6.2 and 7.1 onr > > AXp and 7.1 on > > > > > VAX)	 > > > > >e= > > > > > All of a sudden I can't get to the VAX or out of itt	 > > > > > G > > > > > %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable 	 > > > > >n@ > > > > > if I do a SHOW CLUSTER it looks fine, so there must be > > > > connectivity.  The1 > > > > > activity lights on the hub look normal.r	 > > > > >j& > > > > > Any thoughts are appreciated	 > > > > >-> > > > > > I forgot to add that I switched form a 4000/60  to a > > 4000/90 a couple ofe > > > > > weeks ago by simply H > > > > > moving the drives and rebooting, and I may not have done a SET > > > > HOST since.tC > > > > > Obviously decnet is running because it joins the cluster.a > > > >IG > > > > No, DECNET is not required for it to join the cluster.  Cluster  > > > > communications > > > > do not use DECNET. > > > >iA > > > > I am not familiar if the VAXStation 4000 Model 60 and thea > > > > VAXStation 4000 ModelyB > > > > 90 share the same ethernet hardware.  If they do not, then > > you must change,6 > > > > the name of the device in the decnet database. > > > >eC > > > > Assuming phase IV, the easiest way to do that is to run thet > > > > NETCONFIG command0
 > > > > file.u > > > >i% > > > > What does the following show?0 > > > >   > > > > $MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN CIRC  > > > > $MCR NCP LIST KNOWN CIRC! > > > > $MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN LINKSa" > > > > $MCR NCP LIST KNOWN LINKS. > > > >:B > > > > It may be that the quotas that were sufficient for the one > > VAXstation areJ > > > > not sufficient for the other.  I do not think that is likely here.K > > > > Running autogen after you get DECNET fixed would probably be a goodt
 > > > > idea.t > > > >a
 > > > > -John  > > > > wb8tyw@qsl.network > > > > Personal Opinion Onlye > > > >  > >l   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 03:35:21 GMTw! From: Ian Parker <parker@gol.com>.6 Subject: Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM& Message-ID: <27aEXFAlvbF7Ewpb@gol.com>  D In article <qdzUT$qzIMxP@eisner.encompasserve.org>, John E. Malmberg# <malmberg@encompasserve.org> writese: >In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEIECKAA.tom@kednos.com>,$ >Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes:K >> I have three machines that form a cluster (6.2 and 7.1 on AXp and 7.1 one >> VAX)l >>6 >> All of a sudden I can't get to the VAX or out of it >>@ >> %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable >>L >> if I do a SHOW CLUSTER it looks fine, so there must be connectivity.  The* >> activity lights on the hub look normal. >> >> Any thoughts are appreciatedf >>K >> I forgot to add that I switched form a 4000/60  to a 4000/90 a couple ofi >> weeks ago by simplyM >> moving the drives and rebooting, and I may not have done a SET HOST since.0< >> Obviously decnet is running because it joins the cluster. >.O >No, DECNET is not required for it to join the cluster.  Cluster communicationsl >do not use DECNET.v >uP >I am not familiar if the VAXStation 4000 Model 60 and the VAXStation 4000 ModelK >90 share the same ethernet hardware.  If they do not, then you must change / >the name of the device in the decnet database.m > N >Assuming phase IV, the easiest way to do that is to run the NETCONFIG command >file. >e >What does the following show? >u >$MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN CIRCb >$MCR NCP LIST KNOWN CIRC  >$MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN LINKS >$MCR NCP LIST KNOWN LINKS.a > J >It may be that the quotas that were sufficient for the one VAXstation areC >not sufficient for the other.  I do not think that is likely here. D >Running autogen after you get DECNET fixed would probably be a good >idea. >o >-John >wb8tyw@qsl.networkh >Personal Opinion Only  F The 4000/60 and 4000/90 have different Ethernet adapter names.  So youA need to either manual change the circuit definition, or rerun theT network configuration script.M   RegardsD   IanL -- N
 Ian Parker   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:58:14 -0500d1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a. Subject: Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member.' Message-ID: <3B155EE6.46EAB4D8@fsi.net>e   Tom Linden wrote:  > J > I have three machines that form a cluster (6.2 and 7.1 on AXp and 7.1 on > VAX) > 5 > All of a sudden I can't get to the VAX or out of itg > ? > %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachablee > K > if I do a SHOW CLUSTER it looks fine, so there must be connectivity.  TheT) > activity lights on the hub look normal.e >  > Any thoughts are appreciated  H This will be a DECnet problem of some sort. Check SHOW NETWORK or MC NCP SHOW KNOWN NODES for starters.  E Check the ethernet cables. Then, check MC NCP SHOW KNOWN LINES and MC  NCP SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS.   See what you get...h   -- h David J. Dachteral dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/c  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:36:54 GMTh= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)o# Subject: Re: CD-RW on a VMS system.f0 Message-ID: <009FCC9E.6F5DC802@SendSpamHere.ORG>  m In article <9f38ik$3q0$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk> writes: L >This is an update of something I posted a couple of months ago. I shouldn'tH >really complain about freeware I suppose but trying to find information@ >about writing to a CD-RW from VMS has basically been confusing,9 >contradictary and a litany of busted websites and links.N >D= >System: VAXstation 4000/60 with OpenVMS 6.2 and Y2K patches. & >CDRECORD: 1.8a9 (only doco is 1.8.1).I >CD-RW: Plextor Plexwriter 12/4/32 SCSI-2 (HD50) in a tabletop enclosure. C >This Plextor is the closest I could find that matched the CDRECORDmM >information. It works as I have attached it to an NT system and it was fine.e >oC >The Plextor has some selector switches on the back for parity (on) I >termination (on -  last in chain), test (off) and block. The manual sayssL >that turning this on makes it ready for Unix environments. There is nothingK >more in the manual about this than that. Everything below has been done inb! >the Unix and "Windows" settings.t >iL >* At the console prompt the VAXstation recognises the device and that it is >a Plextor device. >oK >* VMS recognises the device and recognises that it is a Plextor. See below 0 >but you'll need courier font to see it aligned. >rA >Disk PHJ$DKA200:, device type PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W124TS, is online,e >file-oriented1 >    device, shareable, error logging is enabled.o= >    Error count                    1    Operations completed  >42 >    Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC	 >[SYSTEM]I1 >    Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot  >S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W< >    Reference count                0    Default buffer size >512 >fM >* I have not been able to mount anything with this drive though with variouseI >combinations of MOUNT/MEDIA=CDROM/UNDEFINED_FAT=STREAM:2048 etc etc etc.qL >Some of these commands are from the VMS FAQ. Any form of mount generates anD >error on the device count. An analysis of the error is shown below.  G You won't get anything to mount on it either.  I'll let Glenn Everhart M! elaborate on the details for you.m  K >* I haven't really been able to try CDRECORD. I did do a CDRECORD -SCANBUS E >DEV=0,2,0 out of interest and it reported that unable to find devicer >DKA002!! Which was a surprise.e  , Did you get the CDrecord off of my site???    . http://www.tmesis.com/CDrom/CDRECORD_ALPHA.EXE     Also, try -prcap.  n   $ CDRECORD -DEV=0,2,0 -PRCAP    L >* I've tried this on a Alphastation 255 and the results are pretty much the< >same except an error is reported as "invalid media format".  G You can burn CDs with CDrecord and your Plextor but it will not be able H to mount them.  If you have another CD, don't worry.  Just use the Plex-G tor as a burner only.  It will likely enjoy a long life of service thatn way.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMy            cO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 03:39:01 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com># Subject: Re: CD-RW on a VMS system.y- Message-ID: <87r8x639uy.fsf@prep.synonet.com>u  = "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk> writes:E  L > * I haven't really been able to try CDRECORD. I did do a CDRECORD -SCANBUSF > DEV=0,2,0 out of interest and it reported that unable to find device  > DKA002!! Which was a surprise.      ^^^  + Seems the unit number is being improved... n  ( Also, can you mount it foreign and read?   -- i< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:29:02 +0100i; From: "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk>d# Subject: Re: CD-RW on a VMS system. / Message-ID: <9f3omq$2r1$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>O    I can't mount it foreign either.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:33:38 +0100m; From: "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk> # Subject: Re: CD-RW on a VMS system.9/ Message-ID: <9f3ovb$bbt$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>o  L I've tried the DK driver and the GK driver. Some of the notes somewhere saidL that the DK driver on 3100's doesn't work with CD-RW's but the 4000's are OK with it.  C It would be nice to use the Plextor as a portable CD drive but somem% responses say CDRECORD can only burn.]   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:26:19 GMTo) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton)t0 Subject: Re: DECEvent, WEBESs - what's going on?1 Message-ID: <3b1555ed.260235809@news.wcc.govt.nz>o  , Thanks for the responses, e-mail and posted.  3 Looked throgh the pointers Kerry has kindly listed.   Alas,  does nothing much for us.  - We're running VAXes, this is for Alphas only. D The Alphas we are running are too old to be on the Supported list as are the HSD Disk Controllers.f  E Add to that the fact DECEvent is not really behaving and it seems theTF chanes of getting it fixed have just reduced to zero seems to leave me* without any viable online fault reporting.  
 Ho hum....   Rob.      1 On Wed, 30 May 2001 08:07:05 -0500, "Main, Kerry"  <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote:   >Rob,n >e/ >re: pointers .. here is a good place to start:sM >http://www.support.compaq.com/svctools/webes/webes_docs.html (includes WEBES  >V4)8 >http://www.support.compaq.com/svctools/webes/index.html >b	 >Regards,n >t >s >Kerry Mainu >Senior Consultant >Compaq Canada Inc.f >Professional Services >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax  :  819-772-7036  >Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.comr >r >  >-----Original Message----- = >From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz [mailto:rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz]r >Sent: May 29, 2001 8:46 PMe >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- >Subject: DECEvent, WEBESs - what's going on?  >  >  >G'day all,  >lB >Various News items have stated the demise of DECevent, many while >discussing WEBES. >P+ >So, much ignorance here, what is going on.IG >We're running DECEvent 3.3, it's particularly flaky on the VAXes and IeF >have to keep replacing one of the KNL files with the Factory version. >  >Has DECEvent come to an end?e >f >What's WEBES? >f# >Pointers to info much appreciated.d >d >Rob.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:33:02 -0400-( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: disk benchmarking+ Message-ID: <3B1558FE.EDAEB123@bigfoot.com>C  J Not to get to personal, but when you were ar child I bet you couldn't stayH within the line while coloring, could you?  When given a clearly definedL scenario, you seem to argue with enough red herrings to fill a fishing boat.J Some of your conclusions are quite sound, but completely irrelevant to theL stated scenario.  Also, for God's sake man, do you work?  If so, I'd love toL have your job - that wonderful combination of vacation-within-a-job would doO well for me.  Anyway only one point (the quasi-relevant one) and then I'll give L you the last word.  As appellate court decisions often go, I put the exampleO (and cluster size) in a "light most favorable to the appellant".  And since theeP example was invoked to illustrate the chunk size argument, there needed to be noL further complication to the example.  I'm guessing that the large sequentialL transfer sizes to be written in the originator of this thread's post is muchP less than 2MB, unless a database is involved, in which case most of the previousM discussion is obviated.  So if any VMS I/O internals people read these posts,2L please weigh in.  Until then, I err on the side of caution, and respectfullyF allow you to have your response to this at the risk of this becoming aP soap-opera-like daily nightmare that might well be dubbed "As the Spindle Turns" or "Data General Hospital".e   Hamlyn   Bill Todd wrote:  N > I think you'll find that many Usenet users prefer plain-text to HTML message	 > format.a >e7 > "Hamlyn Mootoo" <univms@bigfoot.com> wrote in message ' > news:3B14AA33.A392D674@bigfoot.com...eA > > Any analysis of tuning an I/O subsystem first starts with thee > establishment of aN > > model based on a single characteristic I/O stream, then proceeds to expand > onM > > the model by adding multiple streams, all the while keeping in mind that,  > in ANY4 > > saturation case, everything goes to hell anyway. > H > That doesn't work all that well when there *is* no 'characteristic I/OI > stream', which is the situation typical systems have to deal with.  AndfN > unless the load is sufficient to approach device saturation (i.e., result inF > non-null device queues a fair amount of the time), at least half the9 > optimization challenge (and potential gain) evaporates.  >  >   If there are two clearlyE > > identifiable patterns of application I/O behavior, they should be  > separated as< > > much as possible for better overall performance of each. > N > There are clearly common cases in which this is not true.  For example, whenJ > the resulting disk load differs dramatically (even on a moment-by-momentL > basis), separating the disk resources ensures that overall throughput willM > suffer relative to a comparable system in which all resources are availablesL > to each stream.  Or, to put it in the terms you use below, it's equivalentM > to having all the 10-or-fewer checkout lanes standing idle because shoppers:, > happen to be buying in bulk at the moment. >e >   This is why there is aM > > ten items or fewer checkout lane in the supermarket (or at least that was  > thesL > > original intent of this lane).  You seem to keep wanting to stand in the > 10 oraF > > fewer lane with your full shopping cart (metaphorically speaking). >oJ > Yup:  that's the way to optimize throughput.  And request-prioritizationM > (something harder to implement without creating customer rancor in a single I > checkout line, but perfectly reasonable for a disk queue) is the way tomG > ensure that, e.g., real-time or interactive requests still get promptd
 > service. >s >   For thefL > > purposes of discussion, lets say that we have an application that has 10 > users M > > generally and 5 simultaneous users at any one time, and writes records of  > 2 N > > megabytes at a time - not unreasonable I would think.  We also have a RAID > 0+1oL > > disk unit consisting of eight striped mirrors.  The chunk size is set to	 > 256K onSL > > the unit (remember chunk size is the size of the chunk  on a single disk	 > device, J > > giving a 2MB stripe size).  Lets also say that the cluster size is 512 > blocksM > > (256K).  So, when one instance of the application gets ready to write, itsL > > allocates 8 clusters (essentially "forewarning" the controller algorithm > andf' > > cache that its about to write 2MB).f >tK > Last I knew, that's not the way applications typically worked:  they tendeK > just to issue write requests and let the system allocate space as needed.eE > And it would surprise me if RMS interacted in any way with the RAIDhK > controller (and its cache) when allocating space (even if the application G > *did* do so explicitly), so I suspect your analysis in this regard is0	 > flawed.p >o( >   Before the data is actually sent theM > > controller gets a little bit of time to flush its cache if need be and/orT > ready F > > some disks for an actual write. We will assume for the purposes of > discussionG > > that this is the first write and that the cache is relatively empty  >oD > No, we won't, since in any typical (i.e., relatively steady-state)L > real-world situation the cache is always full - and in any write-dominatedN > situation that's driving the underlying disks anywhere near their saturationM > points it's full of dirty data.  This is why the main benefit of write-back C > caching for write-saturated activity is allowing disk-level queue L > optimization, and why the resulting average write times are still measuredG > in milliseconds rather than microseconds (where read activity is moreNM > prevalent, write performance is more like what you state:  subsequent ReadsNI > that *would have* been cached pay a price for this, but with reasonablet' > victim choices it's often a net win).  >  >  and it isG > > configured for writeback. How many disks? Eight of the mirrors will 
 > participateE5 > > in this operation based on the allocation "hint".  > L > I assert that there is no such hint, but would be happy to be corrected by > someone in the VMS group.- >- >   So the cache gets the dataN > > then sends I/O completion status to the host.  It may or may not write the > dataI > > yet, I do not pretend to know sofisticated caching algorithms.  Alonga > comesdN > > another write, so I'm guessing the cache probably figures it's a good idea > toM > > write out the first 2 MB of data, whilst getting ready to receive another  > 2 MB.oI > > Then, of course, along comes another 2MB from another instance of thenN > > application - so far the cache is buying us a lot of headroom to wait, butB > > eventually, if it get enough simultaneous data, it will become > overwhelmed.  ItB > > is at this point that the disks will be in full operation (but > temporarily) toh > > degrade the cache. > N > This situation is not temporary:  it's typical, steady-state behavior in any6 > situation where the steady state is write-dominated. >p< >   At the point of cache saturatioen, when the last requestN > > into the (I assume) FIFO queue clears this queue and get to be written, it > getsN > > written AS FAST AS POSSIBLE because all disks are participating at once toL > > satify the write; therefore from the standpoint of the application ( and	 > user ofXM > > said app) the I/O happened in less time vis-a-vis if the chunk size were,  > sayt< > > 512K and only 4 mirrors were participating in the write. >AN > Notice that you have just (tacitly) accepted my earlier assertion that chunkF > size should usually be *at least* 256 KB (compared with your earlier< > assertion that "128K (or even smaller)" was the way to go. >CF > But you're still focusing on response time in the absence of overallG > throughput considerations.  While with smaller chunks each individualiH > request does indeed complete 'as fast as possible' *when the disks getM > around to servicing it*, the *wait time* for service increases, because theoN > disks are satisfying requests at a slower *rate* due to the additional seeksA > (plus rotational latencies) required by finer-grained requests.T >eN > In a lightly-loaded system, no wait-time penalty exists (i.e., the disks sitN > idle waiting for each request, and therefore the write-back cache allows allJ > writes to appear to complete at memory rather than disk speeds) - but inB > such a system it doesn't matter *what* chunk size you use.  In aM > heavily-loaded system, large chunks not only improve overall throughput but L > frequently response-time as well (by reducing queuing delay more than theyK > increase transfer time).  And in a typical system (where loads vary), you L > compromise by using the largest chunk size that won't significantly worsenJ > light-load response time (at least 256 KB with today's disks, as the fewF > milliseconds it may sometimes add is at least partly balanced by theE > reduction in probability that more disks - and hence larger averageMH > seek/rotational latency times - will be involved in a given transfer). >. >   In an uncached case, a > > single application >/M > Make that 'a single instance of a single application'.  And the observation F > applies to the cached case as well if the writes saturate the cache. > ? >  would  run faster with the smaller chunk size.  Why penalizeoK > > applications running on the system when there is little I/O contention,n >iN > That's why I suggested a chunk size minimum of 256 KB (rather than somethingJ > even larger) in responding to your original suggestion of "128K (or even > smaller)". > 	 >  for annI > > almost identical performance under system load when the chunk size is9 > largerJ > > (because the controller will cause all disks to be in operation anyway > underoK > > full cache saturation -AND will handle the data efficiently by removinge > thoseo( > > pernicious "extra seeks" you claim)? >aM > 'Claim' implies that there is some doubt, which is not the case.  The extraiE > seeks *will* occur unless the write-back cache is large enough thataF > subsequent writes to an individual disk *by a single instance of theI > application* arrive before the previous writes to the same disk by that1L > instance have been destaged (in which case they can be concatenated into aJ > single larger write that executes just about the same way a larger chunkJ > size would have - except that the larger chunk size guarantees that thisH > optimization will *always* occur, not just with write-back caches thatL > happen to be large enough compared with the application mix to accommodate > it). > F > Otherwise, the write-back cache simply allows queue-optimization forI > whatever individual writes exist.  And queue-optimization eliminates noUG > seeks unless requests just happen to target the same disk track (even N > head-switching on the same cylinder incurs approximately the same latency as > a single-cylinder seek). >i > >aG > > This is analogous to single threaded processes (and those which arer > specificallyG > > not written to use multiple processors) running on a multiprocessor 	 > system.a >bD > No, it's not, unless you limit the storage to a single disk (whereL > discussions of chunk size become uninteresting):  even with only a single,J > purely sequential process using the RAID, there's *still* some trade-offG > between the increase in request-completion time caused by spreading aeK > request over more disks (unless they're spindle-synchronized, as is oftenwH > true with RAID-3) and the decrease attributable to parallel transfers. >cI > (And of course even for such a process an SMP system can provide *some* J > parallelism within the system in satisfying the application's requests.) >oM > > Adding extra cpu's don't help the actual elapsed real world time of these  > apps, K > > assuming it is the only app running on the system at the time - it onlyd > helpsDI > > alleviate cpu taken away by other apps in contention for the cpu when 
 > multipleI > > apps are running.  In short, for single threaded apps, multiple cpu'st > allow youpH > > more load (more users,apps,etc.) not more speed (execution time of a
 > single app),M > > - it still takes 9 months to make a baby, regardless if you put two womene > on the > > project or not.r > N > Your analogy is flawed in multiple respects, as noted above.  Another one isK > that when you include a write-back cache, using larger chunks can improveoM > throughput even for a single serial process, since it still makes destagingoL > dirty data more efficient - as long as the cache is large enough to acceptK > new dirty data while it is writing back existing dirty data to the array.e >e > - bill >c > >wN > > And yes, extend size should be set correctly once the behavior of app/fileC > > extending habits have been established - at least we agree hereo > >u > > HM   ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 03:12:32 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: disk benchmarking- Message-ID: <87d78q4pnj.fsf@prep.synonet.com>i  . "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com> writes:  E > Check out www.pricewatch.com and you'll find single SCSI volumes ofr@ > over 180GB on sale, quantity one, for under $2K (not including > shipping :-) ).n  C > I understood from some IDE document I saw recently that IDE has a A > limit around 128 GB, though it may have been one of the many PCKF > design limits that can be gotten around. Looks like the 1TB VMS disk- > limit will be reached sooner than we think.a  J Given IBMs trickknollogy, I'll predice ~500GB this time next year, and 1TB next (not this) Xmas.i   -- c< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:26:44 -0400C' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>v Subject: Re: disk benchmarking( Message-ID: <9f3vfe$8bf$1@pyrite.mv.net>  5 "Hamlyn Mootoo" <univms@bigfoot.com> wrote in messageo% news:3B1558FE.EDAEB123@bigfoot.com...tL > Not to get to personal, but when you were ar child I bet you couldn't stay, > within the line while coloring, could you?  K Never had any problems in that area, I'm afraid:  if anything, I'm a bit of6 a perfectionist.     When given a clearly definedH > scenario, you seem to argue with enough red herrings to fill a fishing boat.0  L Not really:  as I said before, it's at least to some degree your scenarios IF don't agree with, so I feel no obligation whatsoever to adhere to themA (though have taken the time to point out some of their problems).s  L > Some of your conclusions are quite sound, but completely irrelevant to theK > stated scenario.  Also, for God's sake man, do you work?  If so, I'd lovem toK > have your job - that wonderful combination of vacation-within-a-job wouldi do > well for me.  C Actually, you've contributed significantly more verbiage (albeit of8J questionable value) to this topic than I have.  So your point (once again)# seems more than a bit off the mark.   C   Anyway only one point (the quasi-relevant one) and then I'll givemF > you the last word.  As appellate court decisions often go, I put the examplelG > (and cluster size) in a "light most favorable to the appellant".  Anda	 since theoL > example was invoked to illustrate the chunk size argument, there needed to be noC& > further complication to the example.  E If there is in fact 'one point' in the above paragraph, I'm afraid it C escaped me.  Nor is one identifiable below.  So I'll close with theEL observation that this kind of obstinacy in parading your ignorance on UsenetJ seems somewhat at odds with the interest in advertizing your services that= the 'organization' line in your message header might suggest.C   - bill  (   I'm guessing that the large sequentialI > transfer sizes to be written in the originator of this thread's post is  muchI > less than 2MB, unless a database is involved, in which case most of thea previousH > discussion is obviated.  So if any VMS I/O internals people read these posts,A > please weigh in.  Until then, I err on the side of caution, ands respectfullyH > allow you to have your response to this at the risk of this becoming aK > soap-opera-like daily nightmare that might well be dubbed "As the Spindleo Turns" > or "Data General Hospital".d >n > Hamlyn   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:47:11 -0500e1 From: Tracon Industries <tracon@mail.all-net.net>y+ Subject: HELP: OpenVMS Newbie needs help!!!o0 Message-ID: <3B15240F.57C69E07@mail.all-net.net>   HELP!!!    Here's the deal...  H I have a nice AlphaPC 164 system with 256 MEG RAM, UltraSCSI hard drives> and controller and Hobbyist OpenVMS v7.2 with all the patches.  D I'm going to use this as my local UseNet news server using the DNEWS+ package (http://www.netwin.com/) for Alpha.e  D The software is great, easy to use, but it keeps crashing.  It keepsD crashing out telling me that it can't allocate enough memory when it= tried to rebuild it's database index or expire news articles.t   The exact message is...t  C 26 02:03:28  :error: Memory exceeded USER1:[SRC.DNEWS]DB.C;61:5979,n 141248 bytes, total 19788014  F I've played with the quotas in the user account the program is run out6 of and I've tried just about everything I dare to try.  H The documentation says that it's a virtual memory hog and I THOUGHT that5 I knew what to change to solve this, but I guess not.a  G I would appreciate any help with this as I'm new to all of this and anyn7 suggestion pointg me in the right direction would help.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:03:16 -0700o! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>mX Subject: HOW to config and start decnet.  was( Can't SET HOST to cluster memberADDENDUM)9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEJCCKAA.tom@kednos.com>a  K Allright, I give.  How do I configure and start decnet on a VAX running 7.1c   NCP help is at best worthless.   Tomd   > -----Original Message-----< > From: John E. Malmberg [mailto:malmberg@encompasserve.org]' > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:41 PMd > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn8 > Subject: Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM >i >t; > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEIECKAA.tom@kednos.com>,a% > Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes:rL > > I have three machines that form a cluster (6.2 and 7.1 on AXp and 7.1 on > > VAX) > >e7 > > All of a sudden I can't get to the VAX or out of its > > A > > %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachablea > >I: > > if I do a SHOW CLUSTER it looks fine, so there must be > connectivity.  The+ > > activity lights on the hub look normal.a > >o  > > Any thoughts are appreciated > >FL > > I forgot to add that I switched form a 4000/60  to a 4000/90 a couple of > > weeks ago by simply B > > moving the drives and rebooting, and I may not have done a SET
 > HOST since.v= > > Obviously decnet is running because it joins the cluster.  >oA > No, DECNET is not required for it to join the cluster.  Clustera > communications > do not use DECNET. >o; > I am not familiar if the VAXStation 4000 Model 60 and then > VAXStation 4000 Model L > 90 share the same ethernet hardware.  If they do not, then you must change0 > the name of the device in the decnet database. >l= > Assuming phase IV, the easiest way to do that is to run thee > NETCONFIG command  > file.  >r > What does the following show?l >p > $MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN CIRC > $MCR NCP LIST KNOWN CIRC > $MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN LINKSi > $MCR NCP LIST KNOWN LINKS. >eK > It may be that the quotas that were sufficient for the one VAXstation aretD > not sufficient for the other.  I do not think that is likely here.E > Running autogen after you get DECNET fixed would probably be a good  > idea.  >  > -Johno > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Onlyi >t   ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 03:32:38 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: HSDSA Scrip in a Batch Procedurek- Message-ID: <87vgmi3a5l.fsf@prep.synonet.com>o  ' Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:n  & > Is vmsnet.sources still operational?  3 It is here. Your server may have dropped it though.n  ! > Does it have a valid moderator?B    It is not a moderated group AIR.   -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov s   ------------------------------    Date: 30 May 2001 14:31:56 -0700$ From: ewilts@mediaone.net (Ed wilts)/ Subject: Hung tape drive - OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2o= Message-ID: <e12df3dd.0105301331.6e61b6fe@posting.google.com>y  C I've got a TZ88 that's got itself good and hung and I need to cleare it.  Here's the current state:    > Magtape ROMEO$MKC200:, device type TZ88, is online, allocated, record-oriented F     device, file-oriented device, error logging is enabled, operations being <     canceled, device is busy, controller supports compaction (compactionv     enabled,).  F     Error count                  235    Operations completed            8195019F     Owner process       "BATCH_1772"    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM];     Owner process ID        3CE80AAA    Dev Prot             S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W F     Reference count                4    Default buffer size                 512E     Density                  unknown    Format                       h	 Normal-11   ?   Volume status:  no-unload on dismount, beginning-of-tape, odda parity.c  @ ANA/SYS shows that the device is Busy on 2 channels.  I've triedF unloading and reloading the tape, I've tried powering off the two tapeA drives on the same SCSI bus and swapping the SCSI IDs, but so farsD neither approach has worked.  I can't stop/id the batch job with theC I/Os pending.  Rebooting the system is not an option at this time. n* Any suggestions as to what I can try next?   Thanks, 	    .../Eda   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:51:07 -0400n( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>3 Subject: Re: Hung tape drive - OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2h+ Message-ID: <3B156B4B.688CF706@bigfoot.com>   < What is the state of process 3CE80AAA? Is it in RWAST state?   HM   Ed wilts wrote:   E > I've got a TZ88 that's got itself good and hung and I need to cleara  > it.  Here's the current state: >o@ > Magtape ROMEO$MKC200:, device type TZ88, is online, allocated, > record-orientedgH >     device, file-oriented device, error logging is enabled, operations > beinge> >     canceled, device is busy, controller supports compaction
 > (compactions >     enabled,). >w> >     Error count                  235    Operations completed
 >  81950193 >     Owner process       "BATCH_1772"    Owner UICd
 > [SYSTEM]2 >     Owner process ID        3CE80AAA    Dev Prot > S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,Wo= >     Reference count                4    Default buffer size.
 >      5120 >     Density                  unknown    Format > Normal-11o >eA >   Volume status:  no-unload on dismount, beginning-of-tape, odd 	 > parity.  >tB > ANA/SYS shows that the device is Busy on 2 channels.  I've triedH > unloading and reloading the tape, I've tried powering off the two tapeC > drives on the same SCSI bus and swapping the SCSI IDs, but so far-F > neither approach has worked.  I can't stop/id the batch job with theD > I/Os pending.  Rebooting the system is not an option at this time., > Any suggestions as to what I can try next? >s	 > Thanks,l >    .../Edt   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:52:16 -0400e( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>3 Subject: Re: Hung tape drive - OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2a+ Message-ID: <3B156B90.C7991D6A@bigfoot.com>s  H Oh, and also, do you need the process to die, or just access to the tape drive?   HM   Ed wilts wrote:r  E > I've got a TZ88 that's got itself good and hung and I need to clearo  > it.  Here's the current state: >a@ > Magtape ROMEO$MKC200:, device type TZ88, is online, allocated, > record-oriented H >     device, file-oriented device, error logging is enabled, operations > beingi> >     canceled, device is busy, controller supports compaction
 > (compactioni >     enabled,). >a> >     Error count                  235    Operations completed
 >  81950193 >     Owner process       "BATCH_1772"    Owner UICz
 > [SYSTEM]2 >     Owner process ID        3CE80AAA    Dev Prot > S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,Wh= >     Reference count                4    Default buffer sizen
 >      5120 >     Density                  unknown    Format > Normal-11  >eA >   Volume status:  no-unload on dismount, beginning-of-tape, oddt	 > parity.i >fB > ANA/SYS shows that the device is Busy on 2 channels.  I've triedH > unloading and reloading the tape, I've tried powering off the two tapeC > drives on the same SCSI bus and swapping the SCSI IDs, but so fardF > neither approach has worked.  I can't stop/id the batch job with theD > I/Os pending.  Rebooting the system is not an option at this time., > Any suggestions as to what I can try next? > 	 > Thanks,p >    .../Edn   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 00:58:22 GMTt$ From: Ed Wilts <ewilts@mediaone.net>3 Subject: Re: Hung tape drive - OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 < Message-ID: <OGgR6.39044$V6.1999620@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net>   Hamlyn Mootoo wrote:  J > Oh, and also, do you need the process to die, or just access to the tape > drive?  L The process is not RWAST.  I'm home now and can't verify it, but I'm pretty  sure it's in LEF.t  E I'd like the process to die, but that's not mandatory.  For now I've rL changed the SCSI ID on the drive and have access to it again so I should be K in business.  I have no idea what caused the process to lose access to the rL drive in the first place - the drive did not die (a case I've seen too many  times in the past).o   Cheers,h         .../Ed  . > Ed wilts wrote:k > F >> I've got a TZ88 that's got itself good and hung and I need to clear! >> it.  Here's the current state:  >>A >> Magtape ROMEO$MKC200:, device type TZ88, is online, allocated,t >> record-orientedI >>     device, file-oriented device, error logging is enabled, operationsa >> being? >>     canceled, device is busy, controller supports compactiona >> (compaction >>     enabled,).e >>? >>     Error count                  235    Operations completedl >>  8195019c4 >>     Owner process       "BATCH_1772"    Owner UIC >> [SYSTEM]g3 >>     Owner process ID        3CE80AAA    Dev Prot  >> S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W> >>     Reference count                4    Default buffer size >>      512a1 >>     Density                  unknown    Formatn >> Normal-11 >>B >>   Volume status:  no-unload on dismount, beginning-of-tape, odd
 >> parity. >>C >> ANA/SYS shows that the device is Busy on 2 channels.  I've triedlI >> unloading and reloading the tape, I've tried powering off the two tape(D >> drives on the same SCSI bus and swapping the SCSI IDs, but so farG >> neither approach has worked.  I can't stop/id the batch job with the E >> I/Os pending.  Rebooting the system is not an option at this time.c- >> Any suggestions as to what I can try next?y >>
 >> Thanks, >>    .../Ed >  >    --   Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts@mediaone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:13:08 -0400 : From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com> Subject: RE: hz70 throughputK Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D6DC0C1@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>a  J Have a look at http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QBQ24EPF.PDF   L I believe in there you will find "HSZ70 features an UltraSCSI (Fast20) host A interconnect for burst transfer rates of 40 MB/Second (double theg performance D of the HSZ50 array controller) and >12000 I/O requests per second. "  < The figures you were given are what my experience bears out.   :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -"   A Member of the LexisNexis Group
 1275 Broadwayp Albany, NY  12204r USAr 518-487-3255 JKoska@bender.comu  * "I post personal opinion only, and all the* disclaimers one could imagine apply.  That( includes, I speak for myself only and my+ views in no way represent my employer(s)." u   > -----Original Message-----, > From: steve smith [mailto:ssmith@lbpc.com]% > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:17 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como > Subject: hz70 throughput >  > < >     Does anyone know what the thru-put rating on an hsz70  > controller is.= > Storageworks people said 25MB across a pair, however, I've   > already seen 2600o > kb/s for about 30 secondsc >  > --
 > Steve Smithn > Manager Technical Services > Information Technology > Law Bulletin Publishing Co.  > (312)644-7067- > ssmith@LBPC.comh > http://www.lawbulletin.com >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 30 May 2001 17:59:25 GMT0 From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz), Subject: Re: IBM opens their Linux Mainframe5 Message-ID: <9f3cdt$b44$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>w  L In article <OFB6DAB346.21923CA8-ON032569D7.003D03CA@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,-  <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote:  : Clicki : < : http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/lcds : ! : To see what is marketing by IBMi : H DEC used to do the same thing -- they gave out guest accounts on VMS and" Digital UNIX to anybody who asked.  I I really do not understand the turn things have taken.  Once upon a time, K it was considered a good thing to make life easy for developers -- the moreoN programmers had access to a platform, the more software there would be for it,9 hance the more attractive it would be in the marketplace.a  I Nowadays, most commercial UNIXes (let alone VMS) don't even come with a Co& compiler.  Forget guest developer IDs!  K But yes, IBM is doing the right thing.  And look at the reaction -- they'rewH so swamped with applications for guest IDs they had to stop taking them.   - Frank    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:21:18 +0100:- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>y, Subject: Re: IBM opens their Linux Mainframe) Message-ID: <3B153A1E.D91ACFDB@bbc.co.uk>E  K Last time I looked Compaq had testdrive accounts available for all their OSt
 offerings.   Try     http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/   Frank da Cruz wrote:  N > In article <OFB6DAB346.21923CA8-ON032569D7.003D03CA@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,/ >  <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote:o	 > : Clickr > :i> > : http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/lcds > : # > : To see what is marketing by IBMg > :oJ > DEC used to do the same thing -- they gave out guest accounts on VMS and$ > Digital UNIX to anybody who asked. >oK > I really do not understand the turn things have taken.  Once upon a time,sM > it was considered a good thing to make life easy for developers -- the moreeP > programmers had access to a platform, the more software there would be for it,; > hance the more attractive it would be in the marketplace.c >lK > Nowadays, most commercial UNIXes (let alone VMS) don't even come with a Cv( > compiler.  Forget guest developer IDs! >nM > But yes, IBM is doing the right thing.  And look at the reaction -- they're J > so swamped with applications for guest IDs they had to stop taking them. >e	 > - Franks   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukn  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:45:27 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comw, Subject: Re: IBM opens their Linux MainframeD Message-ID: <OF63AC390A.B48E5B2A-ON88256A5C.00613B82@foundation.com>  : Anybody recognize the logo for the Shark? To my eyes, it'sE indistinguishable from the old OpenVMS shark, from when OpenVMS had as recognizable logo.   That's adding insult to injury.w   Shane           = fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br on 05/30/2001 09:37:41 AM   5 Please respond to fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brs   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:y  ) Subject:  IBM opens their Linux Mainframe      Clicki  : http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/lcds   To see what is marketing by IBMs   Regardsi   FC   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:08:39 GMTw4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>, Subject: Re: IBM opens their Linux Mainframe= Message-ID: <HbeR6.12349$zl5.4343712@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>r  6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OFB6DAB346.21923CA8-ON032569D7.003D03CA@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br... > Click. >>< > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/lcds >y! > To see what is marketing by IBMr >r  = What it is, is a blatant ripoff of the OpenVMS Shark graphic!e   ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 02:21:43 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: IRCD for VMSa- Message-ID: <87ofsa4s08.fsf@prep.synonet.com>s  + Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:e  D > > Sounds like HypterTerm to me which is the default VT100 emulatorA > > provided with all versions of Windows. It has the worst VT100M > > emulation I have ever seen.B  / > Is it allowed to call that a VT100 emulation?p  J Well, you could not call it a VT52 emulation! VT100 was mearly unreadable.8 VT52 gave garbage screen scratching all over the screen.   -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:43:29 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: IRCD for VMSc2 Message-ID: <B3cR6.850$fi2.22225@news.cpqcorp.net>  C   If somebody gets IRCD ported, lemme know and I'll get it onto theoE   Freeware and into the FAQ...  (I have _not_ been reading all of thelF   postings in this thread, for no other reason than a lack of time...)  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:40:22 -0400o+ From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org>H! Subject: Re: Login/Logout Problemm# Message-ID: <sb14f858.008@aaas.org>i  9 Yeah I should have been clearer - except I didn't see it.a  H VMS is killing their connection, it's not about their Virtual Terminal =K still being attached, or it affecting a SHOW USERS. My problem is BECAUSE =eE VMS is cleaning up (and thank you to the VMS engineers - I'm sure i =eK wouldn't want it the other way) I can't tell who it is that isn't logging =r out correctly.  F We're looking at doing something in DCL in sylogin.com to handle it. =# Thanks everyone for your responses.0  C >>> Marty Kuhrt <kuhrt@encompasserve.org> 05/30/2001 2:06:39 PM >>>nK In article <sb139200.025@aaas.org>, John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> =i writes:nD > All our users are accessing the Alpha through Telnet (we have no =
 terminals =3DEG > here). We're running into a problem with our financial system which =M
 tracks =3DI > login/logout for concurrent processing. Users are logging in and then =R =3DLJ > exiting their terminal emulator without logging out, which makes the =3DH > financial system think they are still logged it (it increments and =3D: > decrements a counter in a file called postctl.dat).=3D20 >=20E > The problem is, despite auditing login/logout I can't tell who is =  exiting =3DiK > normally and who isn't. I dumped the audit trail to a file and imported =8 it =3DK > into an Access database (I know I know, forgive me) to compare how many =a =3DrK > times each user logged in and out, and the counts looked the same. Does =i =3DgH > anyone have any suggestions on how I might catch who it is? We don't = have =3DJ > the source to the financial software so I haven't seen the code that =3DI > tracks how many people are in the system. They are all using a common =  =3D E > lgicmd, at one point I had thought about doing something with that.a  A If I understand the problem, you have users that are still logged C in, but not really doing anything since they closed their telnet=20eA session without logging out.  My suggestion would be to get an=20oC idle process killer like Watcher to nuke sessions that have been=20y dormant for over xx minutes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:29:35 -0400-0 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca.spammenot>> Subject: Re: Oracle Export 8.1.7 much slower than 7.3.2 on VMS7 Message-ID: <VKbR6.9890$Sm6.680125@weber.videotron.net>    Hi  J Please keep this group informed of the TAR. I'd like to know what you find out.L As for myself, I know that since 8.1.6, you can't access a dump file throughA Decnet anymore (using node"user pwd"::disk:[dir]file.dmp syntax).tK I was told they do not use RMS anymore to translate file names, but insteadm they use some internal code.G In essence, they tried to reivent the wheel but it's not round anymore.S  < Maybe they changed more than that? You'll probably find out.   Please keep me informed!   --   Syltrem ; http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site) > To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  K "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> a crit dans le message news:e! +nNFOFokSygz@malvm5.mala.bc.ca...h9 > In article <DTTQ6.24700$TD2.278545@news1.bredband.com>, 3 >     "Fred A G" <nospam@allowed.localhost> writes:w > >eF > > when it takes that much longer, you are sure that no character set > > conversion is taking place?' > >p5 >     I'm sure, it's just the standard character set.e >s > >s< > > Did you MONITOR the two sessions for io and other stats? > >yD >     Yes. IO seems to be the big difference - lots more disk IOs in > 8.1.73 >a% > > Submitted a TAR with the problem?o > >u >mH >    Tried to, but metalink says my license isn't valid. I've got OracleF > looking into it and will submit a TAR once that is straightened out. >E   ------------------------------    Date: 30 May 2001 14:11:02 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) > Subject: Re: Oracle Export 8.1.7 much slower than 7.3.2 on VMS, Message-ID: <BTOlo8TcCSsJ@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  8 In article <VKbR6.9890$Sm6.680125@weber.videotron.net>, 5    "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca.spammenot> writes:c  N > As for myself, I know that since 8.1.6, you can't access a dump file throughC > Decnet anymore (using node"user pwd"::disk:[dir]file.dmp syntax).tM > I was told they do not use RMS anymore to translate file names, but instead] > they use some internal code.  H    That would be consistant - it appears they no longer use RMS to write the dump file.  I > In essence, they tried to reivent the wheel but it's not round anymore.t >   D     My guess is that their goal is to make the VMS port just anotherI Unix port ( ie remove any VMS specific features which might have enhancedaG performance and just do it the same way they do on Unix ). That is goodnI in the sense that it should make the VMS ports available sooner, but it's,> unfortunate when it leads to serious performance degradations.  B     I suppose Oracles response might be that Compaq should fix theI operating system. As has been mentioned in other contexts in comp.os.vms,hF there are applications that run much faster on Unix than on VMS purelyF because they do inefficient things in terms of disk writes and rely onI Unix buffer caching to hid the performance penalties this would otherwise9H introduce. If VMS offered a similar "write it whenever you get around toE it" model this wouldn't be an issue. I understand VMS 7.3 may addressTF this to some degree, but I don't have a copy yet so I can't test that.   ------------------------------   Date: 30 May 01 15:12:44 EDT! From: smithp01@mcrc16.med.nyu.edui Subject: Re: PGP revisited- Message-ID: <DzjJHS$J7hI$@mcrc16.med.nyu.edu>t  m In article <uJlP6.69811$I5.14778439@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>, "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com> writes:  > $ >> >Where do you find Gnupg for VMS? >>B >>   http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/SOFTWARE/GNUPG1_0_4_VMS.ZIP >>6 >> use at your own risk, I don't support it, etc. etc. > J > While Dave may suggest it's unsupported/risky, I'll say I've used it andN > find it functional and compatible, even with PGP.  I've used it for creatingM > and verifying signatures and encrypting and decrypting files.  Works great;n > good job, Dave!   N I'm having rather more difficulty.  I seemed to be able to import my keyrings K from the old version of PGP that I have 2.6.3ia.  However, it won't import  K other keys (I have exported them from PGP 7.0.3 on my Mac as ascii armored   text): it give the message.   
 $ gpg xpx.pgp A gpg: Please note that you don't have secure memory on this systemn! gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.s# gpg: processing message failed: eofs( %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 00000002  - In another test I encrypted a text file with     $ gpg -ea -r smithp01 login.com>A gpg: Please note that you don't have secure memory on this system = gpg: do_plaintext(): wrote 4527 bytes but expected 4874 byteso( %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 00000002   but I can't decrypt it...e   $ gpg xx.ascA gpg: Please note that you don't have secure memory on this systemy, gpg: protection algorithm 1 is not supportedE gpg: encrypted with 1024-bit RSA key, ID E9F86BAD, created 1996-01-27h7       "Phillip Ross Smith <smithp01@mcrcr.med.nyu.edu>"n; gpg: public key decryption failed: unknown cipher algorithme0 gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available( %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 00000002  M If I copy the file to the Mac, I can decrypt it, excepting that the carriage l control has been lost.  4 So we're part way there, not as far as I'd hoped....  L +------------ 8F EF 51 4E 4F 23 22 AF  6A 41 D6 C0 AE 31 B1 82 ------------+L |Ross Smith, Academic Computing (RCR), NYU-SoM, 550 First Ave, NY, NY 10016|L |E-Mail:  SMITHP01@MED.NYU.EDU   Phone:  (212)263-5356:  FAX: (212)263-8139|L +-------------- <http://www.med.nyu.edu/people/P.Smith.html> --------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:04:39 -0400e( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: PGP revisited+ Message-ID: <3B155257.8B318329@bigfoot.com>   k How are you effecting the copy to VMS? If you used FTP, I've noticed in some circumstances, that even ASCII - armored format must be transferred as binary.n   HM  " smithp01@mcrc16.med.nyu.edu wrote:  o > In article <uJlP6.69811$I5.14778439@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>, "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com> writes:y > > & > >> >Where do you find Gnupg for VMS? > >>D > >>   http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/SOFTWARE/GNUPG1_0_4_VMS.ZIP > >>8 > >> use at your own risk, I don't support it, etc. etc. > >oL > > While Dave may suggest it's unsupported/risky, I'll say I've used it andP > > find it functional and compatible, even with PGP.  I've used it for creatingO > > and verifying signatures and encrypting and decrypting files.  Works great;V > > good job, Dave!e >tO > I'm having rather more difficulty.  I seemed to be able to import my keyrings0L > from the old version of PGP that I have 2.6.3ia.  However, it won't importL > other keys (I have exported them from PGP 7.0.3 on my Mac as ascii armored > text): it give the message.l >  > $ gpg xpx.pgppC > gpg: Please note that you don't have secure memory on this systemu# > gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.S% > gpg: processing message failed: eoft* > %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 00000002 >e. > In another test I encrypted a text file with >0! > $ gpg -ea -r smithp01 login.com C > gpg: Please note that you don't have secure memory on this systemo? > gpg: do_plaintext(): wrote 4527 bytes but expected 4874 bytesx* > %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 00000002 >S > but I can't decrypt it...e >o > $ gpg xx.ascC > gpg: Please note that you don't have secure memory on this system.. > gpg: protection algorithm 1 is not supportedG > gpg: encrypted with 1024-bit RSA key, ID E9F86BAD, created 1996-01-27-9 >       "Phillip Ross Smith <smithp01@mcrcr.med.nyu.edu>" = > gpg: public key decryption failed: unknown cipher algorithm 2 > gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available* > %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 00000002 >oN > If I copy the file to the Mac, I can decrypt it, excepting that the carriage > control has been lost. >r6 > So we're part way there, not as far as I'd hoped.... >hN > +------------ 8F EF 51 4E 4F 23 22 AF  6A 41 D6 C0 AE 31 B1 82 ------------+N > |Ross Smith, Academic Computing (RCR), NYU-SoM, 550 First Ave, NY, NY 10016|N > |E-Mail:  SMITHP01@MED.NYU.EDU   Phone:  (212)263-5356:  FAX: (212)263-8139|N > +-------------- <http://www.med.nyu.edu/people/P.Smith.html> --------------+   ------------------------------   Date: 30 May 01 18:51:27 EDT! From: smithp01@mcrc16.med.nyu.eduC Subject: Re: PGP revisited- Message-ID: <6ltJPD++p3sw@mcrc16.med.nyu.edu>   V In article <3B155257.8B318329@bigfoot.com>, Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> writes:  I > How are you effecting the copy to VMS? If you used FTP, I've noticed ingK > some circumstances, that even ASCII armored format must be transferred aso
 > binary.   L Well, I created the encrypted file and then immediately tried to de-crypt.  J The other keys I tried to ftp, yes, but I also cut and pasted into an EDT < session.  I also tried to move the un-armored files.  No go.  L +------------ 8F EF 51 4E 4F 23 22 AF  6A 41 D6 C0 AE 31 B1 82 ------------+L |Ross Smith, Academic Computing (RCR), NYU-SoM, 550 First Ave, NY, NY 10016|L |E-Mail:  SMITHP01@MED.NYU.EDU   Phone:  (212)263-5356:  FAX: (212)263-8139|M +-------------- <http://www.med.nyu.edu/people/P.Smith.html> --------------+ t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:16:58 GMT0 From: dittman@dittman.neti. Subject: RaidArray 310/HSZ20 Firmware QuestionA Message-ID: <KGbR6.42166$W14.2920195@e420r-sjo2.usenetserver.com>B  2 What is the latest version of the firmware for the3 HSZ20 controller in a RaidArray 310?  I'm currently  running V31Z-0.w  1 Also, I've seen references to patches for V31Z-0,n2 but the only one's I've found on Compaq's web site/ were for V30Z.  Does anyone have these patches?t -- s Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 01:58:47 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>% Subject: Re: Rambus loses another onea- Message-ID: <87ae3u67mw.fsf@prep.synonet.com>X  + Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:n  $ > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:  B > >      ""If Rambus goes bust does RDRAM get cheaper?"  ConcensusB > >      seems to be yes as their royalty slice diminishes or goes > >      away."   C > > I hope so, but there is an alternative scenario. If Rambus goesmC > > bust, wouldn't the liquidators sell off the assets? Isn't theirdD > > intellectual property a sellable asset? If so (and remember, I'mC > > not a lawyer so I have no idea), Intel could buy it, and charge-F > > royalties. You /know/ AMD would have an interesting time licensing	 > > it...e  B > This is exactly what will happen and there are some cases in the? > short history of Sillicon Valley where this happened. I don'ti? > remember the name but there was a case with a startup company A > selling network processor schemata/plans to other companies who 
 > built them.C  D > One important question is what the licence agreements state.  SomeC > of them are obviously already signed and these contracts normallyeB > continue to last even if one of the business partners goes bust.  D One thing that has come out, is some of the licence details. SeveralE of them have explicit term that there are no royalties if the patentsn0 are invalid. The other was the size, 3.x%, huge!   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda._@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:34:50 GMT0B From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>; Subject: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression options 6 Message-ID: <e3bR6.5666$rn5.277485@www.newsranger.com>  E The latest version of the VMS721_UPDATE kit, as you can see below, is2E 60,329,984 bytes compressed and (according to the patch notification)p 173856 blocks uncompressed.v  6 -rw-r--r--   3 root     0        60329984 May 30 00:331 dec-axpvms-vms721_update-v0200--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexee  H What do people think about using more modern self extracting compressionA tools for the patch kits if they are going to grow to this size ?u  I [Yes, I am aware that this is a kit made up of individual patch kits, buthI the same comments also apply to individual patch kits. For example, ECO 1 . for TCPIP 5.1 is 10,860,032 bytes compressed.]   Simon.   -- s; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFPeK Worrying idea #101: What if Microsoft goes into the Ada compiler business ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:53:10 -0400 , From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com>? Subject: Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression options 8 Message-ID: <iagahtkkq5pmf2pn7ggoj1rkrk2oklvkr7@4ax.com>  / On Wed, 30 May 2001 18:34:50 GMT, Simon ClubleyW5 <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> wrote:h  F >The latest version of the VMS721_UPDATE kit, as you can see below, isF >60,329,984 bytes compressed and (according to the patch notification) >173856 blocks uncompressed. >07 >-rw-r--r--   3 root     0        60329984 May 30 00:33f2 >dec-axpvms-vms721_update-v0200--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexe >cI >What do people think about using more modern self extracting compression B >tools for the patch kits if they are going to grow to this size ? > J >[Yes, I am aware that this is a kit made up of individual patch kits, butJ >the same comments also apply to individual patch kits. For example, ECO 1/ >for TCPIP 5.1 is 10,860,032 bytes compressed.]i  C I've been advocating this for a while, and recently received a memo-D suggesting that there would be a move away from the dcx_axpexe styleF of ECI kit and probably towards a self-extracting ZIP archive, which I  like to use for my Fortran kits.    - Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com)r Fortran Engineering & Compaq Computer Corporation, Nashua NH  6 Compaq Fortran web site: http://www.compaq.com/fortran   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:02:38 -0500g1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>m? Subject: Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression optionso' Message-ID: <3B155FEE.89A94CA5@fsi.net>n   Simon Clubley wrote: > G > The latest version of the VMS721_UPDATE kit, as you can see below, is G > 60,329,984 bytes compressed and (according to the patch notification)i > 173856 blocks uncompressed.d > 8 > -rw-r--r--   3 root     0        60329984 May 30 00:333 > dec-axpvms-vms721_update-v0200--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexe> > J > What do people think about using more modern self extracting compressionC > tools for the patch kits if they are going to grow to this size ?e > K > [Yes, I am aware that this is a kit made up of individual patch kits, butiK > the same comments also apply to individual patch kits. For example, ECO 1r0 > for TCPIP 5.1 is 10,860,032 bytes compressed.]  G You can expect ZIP to produce better compression, but only by about 30%yC of the DCXEXE size. The FTSV self-extract code is ponderous in sizen compared to the UNZIPSFX stubs.t   -- ) David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:11:25 GMTe2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)3 Subject: Re: TCP/IP based printing from VAX/VMS 6.2 2 Message-ID: <NtcR6.856$fi2.22562@news.cpqcorp.net>  Y In article <9f3gi2$9ij$1@personal.myavista.com>, "Lee Gillie" <Lee@NOSPAModp.com> writes:uC :Would like to get away from the LAT based printing and symbiont weoB :are currently using, and use some TCP/IP based protocol.  Seeking) :recommendations for symbiont software...   E   On OpenVMS, there really isn't a big difference...  (The one thing -E   I've noticed is that telnet symbiont can handle more printers with lC   fewer processors -- but unless you have a gazillion printers and l-   no process slots, this isn't a big deal...)$   :LPR?  REVERSEA :TELNET?  What is known to work well?   What software may already ! :be included with VMS 6.2 / UCX ?.  #   telnet and lpr are both included.6  E   Please see the TCP/IP Services documentation, and please see topic wE   1020 (and a gazillion other related topics) in the OpenVMS Ask The e,   Wizard area of the Compaq OpenVMS website.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:09:38 -0700l& From: "Lee Gillie" <Lee@NOSPAModp.com>/ Subject: TCP/IP based printing from VAX/VMS 6.250 Message-ID: <9f3gi2$9ij$1@personal.myavista.com>  B Would like to get away from the LAT based printing and symbiont weA are currently using, and use some TCP/IP based protocol.  Seeking'@ recommendations for symbiont software, and an inexpensive box atA the printer (typically HP lasers) to achieve this.  LPR?  REVERSE?@ TELNET?  What is known to work well?   What software may already  be included with VMS 6.2 / UCX ?  0 Thanks for your help.  Best regards - Lee Gillie   --F ______________________________________________________________________F Lee Gillie, CCP                                Remove NOSPAM to E-MailF Online Data Processing, Inc. - 3501 N. Haven -  Spokane, WA 99207-8500   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:00:49 -0400c( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>3 Subject: Re: TCP/IP based printing from VAX/VMS 6.28+ Message-ID: <3B155170.27EC7D4B@bigfoot.com>t  F Do you know if you already possess licences for UCX? If so, this is orG course, the naturally cheapest route.  Assuming this, I would recommend(H reverse telnet versus LPR as the telenet symbiont gives you more controlE over the printing process than does LPR.  Also, there are a number ofmI ethernet "print server" boxes available on the market (assuming your HP's H don't accept Jet Direct cards, or their equivalent) made by Lexmark, et.C al. which allow you to connect your printers to them via a parallelr) interface, usually for under $300 apiece.    HM   Lee Gillie wrote:M  D > Would like to get away from the LAT based printing and symbiont weC > are currently using, and use some TCP/IP based protocol.  SeekingtB > recommendations for symbiont software, and an inexpensive box atC > the printer (typically HP lasers) to achieve this.  LPR?  REVERSErB > TELNET?  What is known to work well?   What software may already" > be included with VMS 6.2 / UCX ? >t2 > Thanks for your help.  Best regards - Lee Gillie >h > --H > ______________________________________________________________________H > Lee Gillie, CCP                                Remove NOSPAM to E-MailH > Online Data Processing, Inc. - 3501 N. Haven -  Spokane, WA 99207-8500   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:21:30 -0400t- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>b  Subject: Re: vms Emulation on NT- Message-ID: <3B154839.6C0F2025@bellsouth.net>-   If one was to go looking for NT tools on their VMS7.2-1 system, where would they find them or are they separate products/licenses?   Michael Austin= Oracle Rdb/Oracle DBA Consultant  -- Need one? available now!m   remy@younes.nom.fr wrote:c  Y > On Tue, 29 May 2001 22:28:19 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:u > >SP > > > is there any Open VMS Emulation for AXP available that runs under Windowns; > > > NT ? Is there any SAMBA for VMS under AXP available ?l > > >' > >e6 > > closest thing I can think of is www.charon-vax.com > >  >  This stands for VMS emulation. I can confirm the port of Samba on OpenVMS. Works fine, but NT integration tools by CPQ also do the job well.e > >e > >i > > .    ------------------------------    Date: 30 May 2001 15:36:26 -0700+ From: chris_doran@my-deja.com (Chris Doran)o  Subject: Re: vms Emulation on NT= Message-ID: <b5f3f0d8.0105301436.4ed7beff@posting.google.com>e  e "Rainer Faulstich" <Rainer.Faulstich@surf24.de> wrote in message news:<3b14176b@news.bodensee.com>...: > Hi,i > L > is there any Open VMS Emulation for AXP available that runs under Windowns7 > NT ? Is there any SAMBA for VMS under AXP available ?t  F VAX, not AXP, and I don't know anything about it, but I've just had anA advertising card about their PC-VMS virtual machine emulator fromoC Swiftbase International (address: Harpsden, Henley-on-Thames, Oxon,e England, RG9 4WA).  F I couldn't find anything about PC-VMS on http://www.swiftbase.com/ butC this site is in early stages (links don't work, much of the text isp, grey-on-grey, so press ctrl/A to view it :).   ChrisA   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:51:00 -0500d1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>pC Subject: Re: VMS Home Automation (was: Affordable VMS Workstations)N& Message-ID: <3B155D34.F10BBEC@fsi.net>   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:, > [much snippage]eL > And then you need either line drivers to eliminate the noise for dedicatedL > wire, and the same on the other end of the wire.  While the costs for each+ > component is small, together they add up.,  F ...or you need an interface designed such that it is resistant to such factors.  DG > Add to that local building codes that may restrict what wire that youh > are using to plenum rated.  F Never seen anything that restrictive. Most thermostat, telephone, etc.E wires in new construction around here are pretty plain-vanilla. Don't>C recall ever seeing plenum-rated wiring in a residential applicationcC (though I'm sure it's out there). Certainly never seen plenum-ratednF Romex (which I would *NEVER* allow in my home, BTW! ...though I'm sure it's out there, too).   MK > There is also the asthetics factor.  Many people do not want any of these3K > wires to be visible.  The labor costs to hide this additional wire can be  > high.>  H Shouldn't be any higher than the existing labor to finish a basement (if the home is ordered that way).   D > The costs on the controller end, and the cost of wiring can be cutH > considerably by using a shared network bus, similar to ethernet.  ThisH > currently increases the cost of the sensors or actuators considerably.  G Don't know as I'd recommend that, except in up-scale housing where costsD is less of an issue, or in an experimental setting where we're stillB seeking the best way to do something. Networking (in the classical2 sense) seems an unnecessary overcomplication here.  ' > >> [snip]tL > >> Simple mechanical timers and thermostats are right now provide a betterM > >> return on investment than any computer controlled system for home energyo= > >> control, if you need to put this into an existing house.  > >fJ > > ...but do not provide the flexibility of being sensitive to changes inF > > the outdoor environment, so that the cooling can activated when anI > > outdoor air temperature rise is followed by an indoor air temperatures	 > > rise.y > I > Why should I be concerned about activating cooling indoors based on thee= > outdoor temperature?  A thermostat indoors will do the job.'  ? ...as long as temperatures are consistently within the "coolingoF required" range, and do not deviate into the "heating required" range.  H Here in the upper midwest during spring and autumn, daytime temperaturesG may peak in the upper 70s to lower 80s (F) while nighttime temperatures  may fall into 40s or lower.f  F What we're looking for is a solution to the problem of the home that'sE 62 degrees (F) when you awake so you turn the heat on but leave it on H when you go to work, then return home to find the house at 80 degrees orE higher so you turn the 'stat from heat to cool, and the cycle repeatspH ... unless you're good about remembering to watch The Weather Channel so< you know how to set the 'stat at bedtime and in the morning.  H No, better to automate this. Sense the OAT, and switch from heat to cool as required.  F > A time based thermostat that adjusts the indoors temperature so thatK > cooling and heating energy is reduced when the home is not expected to beMI > activated have been available.  Having a computer control one so that avM > complex schedule can be maintained is available now, but in most cases, the8, > unit can not communicate over the network. > K > The basic problem is you have to initiate the temperature adjustment from'E > standby to occupied a bit in advance of when it is actually needed.s  F ...which is how the 'stats work now, if you set 'em right - within the1 limits of the heat/cool restrictions noted above.e  IK > In order for this to work, the computer in your personal cell phone wouldtE > need to detect when you have left for work so it could initiate the J > switch to the standby, and then when it detected that you were returning7 > home, and within the correct distance, leave standby.M  G Well, not quite. The "change cycles in advance of my arrival/departure"-D technique currently implemented in the existing 'stats seems to workE admirably, except for the ability to change modes (which the high-end6F 'stats *DO* have, BTW) which is fixed by the proposed automation. OnlyG problems seem to be holidays, sick days and/or vacation days, but theserD problems also exist with the existing devices. Motion sensors in theE home (may also used for intrusion detection) may provide one possible  answer to this dilemma.a  eH > Systems are available where you can manually make the call, or use theI > internet.  That technology has been available for years.  The consumerstG > have voted with their pocketbook that they do not want to bother with+
 > doing this.l  F ...which explains, at least in part, why X10 remains a "toy" and not a serious home management tool.r  sH > And none of this is cost effective on a home that is normally occupied > during the day.   @ ...within limits. Even an "occupied" home could benefit from the@ automatic heat/cool change-over, especially if the occupant is aG shut-in, with little or no awareness (or ability to be aware, dependingeH upon the affliction) of the outdoor conditions to know whether to change@ modes (heat/cool), assuming the person(s) is(are) capable and/or0 competent to do so without automated assistance.  eI > Basically while it can be shown that a general purpose computer runningoI > OpenVMS or another system can do these jobs, they can also be done witht > simple thermostats.a  A ...within the limits outlined above. To exceed or eliminate thosea+ limits, "intelligent" automation is needed.r  aF > > Nor do such things provide for warnings or alarms when things suchL > > as furnace filters, air conditioning coils, etc. have accumulated, shall, > > we say, too much "deferred maintenance". > G > Filters can be checked with simple sensors, but it takes considerable H > deferment of maintenance before noticable impairment will be detected.  F Not necessarily. We're straying abit afield of the primary topic here,F but from experience, even a midly impaired airflow is enough to push a@ poorly maintained system "over the edge" resulting in evaporatorC frosting (potential compressor failure if it floods back) or bonnet H overheat (insufficient airflow results in tripping the high-limit switchF which can disable some heating systems until the proper maintenance isG performed - better to catch it early than risk a frozen-up house and/orc potential water pipe freeze).-  -8 > A simple timing circuit will do the job more reliably.  C Maybe - assuming the level of contaminant build-up on the filter is>G constant (not likely), and assuming the unmonitored timer does not failDH and assuming the maintenance is performed when the timer signals that it is due.D   K > >> For a new house, paying attention to energy efficient designs and HVAC - > >> systems will also have the best payback.e > >vL > > Energy efficient designs, oddly enough, are part of what makes this typeI > > of system all that much more important: the "tighter" a house is, theoI > > greater the danger from CO due to flue blockage, or even use of a gasgH > > stove. Some new homes here in sub'n Chgo. are prohibited to have gasI > > stoves because they were built to be so air-tight. One developer eventL > > uses dual hot water tanks to provide both hot potable water and heat forI > > the house (Bigelow Homes) - NO BOILER! ...and guarantees no more thanFJ > > $200/yr in heating costs (well, that's shot to heck now with the price > > of heating fuels!).- > I > You seem to have some confusion.  There are tankless hotwater on demandv > systems offered with some ...:   ... but not all ...   4 > ...new housing, and there is hot water zoned heat.  D ...but the water still has to get heated. I've seen tankless heatersD (almost bought one, too!), I've seen these homes, and I've consulted/ with the builder (Bigelow) - no confusion here.y  cL > Neither system uses a boiler, and the hot water zoned heat method has been > around for a very long time.  D Bigelow took a slightly different approach than straight hydronic orD radiant heat: fan-forced heat exchangers in each room/zone. The sameE system could, therefore, be used for cooling by chilling the water inrD the system. Later Bigelow developments (without the $200 bit) used a heat pump for this reason.  K > That homebuilder was making that claim (or similar) when I was in Chicagod* > over 12 years ago.  Read the fine print.  % Hence, my parenthetic comment, above.   'E > Proper placement of windows, eaves, and awnings can do quite a bit.g  B Around here, folks got tired of the "big, blank wall" syndrome (noF windows on the north-facing walls) back in the 90's. Now, folks preferE "light and bright". I also try to study the local Real Estate market,pA and even am still (re)considering dropping EDP in favor of having 5 somewhat more control over my professional situation.r  E Also, awnings have fallen out of favor as rather a "home fashion faux G pas". I believe this happened in the late 70s or early 80s. Same reasonS9 - they block out some heat, but also block out the light.-  J > Passive solar heat costs almost nothing to operate or maintain, and doesK > not add much to the cost of the house.  This is where most of the savingsc
 > comes from.a  A ...in those areas where it is effective. Chicago's climate is not A conducive to significant savings from most solar heating designs.-  vH > From what I have seen, most homebuilders do not pay attention to theseL > as it requires that the length eaves be calculated based on your longitudeH > and that the house be oriented a specific way on the lot.  They do notF > think that it will sell, and it prevents using the same houseplan in
 > all states.i  D Home buyers do not seem to want the complications of eaves (soffits,G facia, etc.) - they want "maintenance free" or "low maintenance" homes.   yJ > > This problem is exacerbated by some efforts to reduce indoor pollutionJ > > using electrostatic air cleaners. There is currently, to my knowledge,L > > no such thing as an "ozono-ostat" to limit the EAC and prevent excessiveE > > levels of ozone indoors. The system proposed should be capable ofOJ > > limiting the operation of an EAC to keep the indoor ozone level within > > predetermined limits.o > K > I would suspect that you would need to have gone extremely overboard withoH > installing electrostatic air cleaners to get the indoor ozone level up& > to a noticeable or hazardous level.   A Not in the house we just moved out of - we both got sick from the E excessive ozone and just turned the thing off. We didn't even feature6H the EAC as a selling point when we sold it. When queried, Honeywell saidA that the device was not adjustable - may have been oversized wheno
 installed.  C At the other end of that spectrum, you have people with respiratorys? ailments who cannot tolerate elevated counts of ozone (or otheriF pollutants; hence, the vehicle emission test programs here in Northern Illinois and other areas).  # > Of course those same people mightlE > purchase an over-ozone sensor.  They are probably just as likely toi% > purchase anything sold by spammers.s > I > Remember there is still a group in the U.S. that is trying to get a law I > passed to require all buckets to leak their contents out in less than 5 2 > minutes to prevent babies from drowning in them.  B Rather disgusting, no? Why not just birth children directly into aD bubble and have them be shielded from all outside influence forever?   S > >> In the case of systems to assist the disabled, multiple autonomous controllers-L > >> are still preferred instead of a central system.  These have to surviveP > >> either a power failure, or a network failure.  I would expect these to have< > >> even stricter regulatory overview than home automation. > >iG > > The idea here is to provide assistance (voice actuated?) for when a K > > "physically challenged" person is alone, for whatever reason, and needs>I > > assistance. Rather depends on the assist, device, etc. Even so, these$F > > autonomous systems can be monitored and their "health" tracked for > > warning/alarm purposes.u > H > At what point does the cost of the backup system exceed it's benefits?  3 Rather depends on what the buyer is willing to pay.r  eE > Put in a $1000.00 home monitoring system to do the work of a common 6 > cell phone that the person is likely to have anyway?  G Rather depends on how intelligent the cell-phone's firmware is, what iti< can do and what systems are available to interface with it.   H Don't know as I'd want my cell phone managing my home, anyway - too manyF "No Service" areas (like the train station downtown, the subways, ...) and roaming charges.  -D > And that $1000.00 is only if you are not charging for the labor of > installing it.  C I believe my quote in a long-forgotten post was a "complete" price..   E > > Still, I appreciate what you're saying. Eventually, some level ofa; > > regulation will need to be dealt with. This is a given.a > >lI > > Regulations are there to protect, not to serve as obstacles. I prefer J > > rather than view regulations as obstacles, to instead incorporate such( > > contingencies into my business plan. > K > What I am trying to point out, that right now, even if you cut all of the K > costs to the bone, and even avoiding some of the regulatory requirements, H > using a central computer for monitoring these things is a luxury item.  D Initially, yes - but then so were seat belts, air bags and anti-lock@ braking systems not that long ago. At least two of those are nowF required by federal law. Look for the third to be required shortly, if not already.   L > A luxury item that has shown in market tests to be unwanted by most of the > buying public, .  D ...as were radios, television and home computers (at one time), seat@ belts, air bags, anti-lock braking systems, indoor plumbing, air conditioning, ...e  5 > and in the cases where it was wanted, many failures_I > occured.  Lawsuits were filed in one case by the buyers of a "showcase"  > home.  > L > Unless you want a home automation system that is only operated by computerI > experts that know it will fail if they abuse it, you must use expensive 
 > components.3  C Initially. Remember: volume tends to lower the price, not raise it.v? Also, I've yet to see *ANY*thing (even WhineBloze!) that's 100%- idiot-proof.   G > And unless you use the premium expensive components, you will not geth' > 100% uptime except through pure luck.?  H Maybe - rather depends on the design. Besides, even in our "world", 100%* uptime remains an unattainable Holy Grail.  " >  (And this is just for the stuffD > to do the automation, and gather data, not the central computer to > control and monitor it.)  C Well, again, all we're looking at is gathering data and, in essenceoF "reporting" on it: no news is good news (no warnings, no alarms), someC news is noteworthy (the utility power line voltage is low, or power E factor is out of "spec." - some appliances may pull over-current whennF attempting to operate normally), and certain news requires more urgentD attention (the thermostat called for heat, but the furnace failed to@ start, or the CO count near the furnace just rose 10 points, for
 examples).  fG > If you are seriously looking at doing this as a business, you need tonB > get much more familiar with the current work that is being done.  6 Actually, I am - I'll try not to take that personally.  B I prefer to look at what is possible, rather than focussing on theG obstacles. Hurdles are things you jump over - even mountains eventually  get climbed.    View that as naive, if you will.  K > Home automation is coming, but it is still a long way from being anythinge > other than a luxury toy. s  D ...so long as it remains limited to coffee pots, light dimmers, home theatres, etc. b  , > And some of those people that want it will > pay the price for it.  >  iK > The interoperability standards are deadlocked because only the X-10 stuff-: > has sold in sufficient quantity to establish a standard.  G I believe that's how Intel and Windows became entrenched - a "de facto"o	 standard.:   >  And X-10 is wayI > too expensive and way to primative for job.  So this means that a smarteM > home that is not based on X-10 will have a spare parts maintenance problem.e  G Initially. Volume comes with the ramp up, as refinements will come withh experience.    I > Also the people who know how to make this stuff work can make much moree9 > in industrial automation than in the small home market.   G Then, I'll try not to distract them until the volume exceeds what I canh manage.s  H I appreciate the "devil's advocate", but try not to be so negative. It'sB easy to get caught up and miss some important points, I grant you;E however, if the "cup is always half empty", I'll never have enough toi satisfy a thirst.c  * Some folks look at what is and say, "Why?"  ' I look at what isn't and say "Why not?"u   -- E David J. Dachtera, dba DJE Systems' http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:20:55 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> C Subject: Re: VMS Home Automation (was: Affordable VMS Workstations)t+ Message-ID: <3B15AA84.89FD5B2@videotron.ca>a   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:lI > Why should I be concerned about activating cooling indoors based on theg > outdoor temperature?  L Ihn a situation where you would have large water tanks used to store heat orN cold, a computer then cam become invaluable if it can fetch weather forecasts.M If today they predict warm weather and tomorrow, a sharp drop in temperature,fJ the computer could run the heat pumps today to store "cheap" heat into theJ water tanks so that tormorrow, the heat pump doesn't have to work so hard, hence saving you money.g  H Similarly, in regions with bi-energy with varying electricity rates, theN computer could be smart enough to turn down some of the devices during periodsN where electricity rates are high. For instance, if the computer knows that theL cold spell that is causing higher electricity rates will end in less than 12G hours, the computer could offer the occupant the option of delaying the M clothes dryes (or dish washer) by a few hours or if the occupant really needsr' it now, it woudl then start it anyways.s    N Similarly, if you have photovoltaic cells, advance knowledge of weather allowsK the computer to manage the battery use. If the computer knows that the nextoC day will be very sunny, it can probably afford to allow more use of,K electricity during evening, but if it knows that it will be cloudy for next'S few days, it may enact electricity saving measures or at least advise the occupant.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 04:31:07 GMTi4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: VMS Musings= Message-ID: <fOjR6.12939$zl5.4564081@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>a  I I paid a visit to Spit Brook today and had a meeting with the new OpenVMSi+ boss, Mark Gorham. I came away feeling veryML good about OpenVMS and Compaq's commitment thereto. The issues regarding the' free education license program have notvJ gone unnoticed and I wouldn't be surprised to see some improvements there.L And Mark's recent stint in the Global Services organization will prove quiteE valuable, as OpenVMS sales frequently have heavy services involvementlG (solution sales, a la IBM). Feedback from the recent Diamond Forums and J Technical Updates has been excellent, and both Mark and Mary Ellen FortierG (the OpenVMS Marketing Director) are very supportive of these events. IeE think we'll see Compaq continue to adopt a more aggressive posture onw7 OpenVMS marketing, messaging, and customer engagements.e       -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher Shannon Knows Compaq  email: terryshannon@mediaone.net$ Web (info on SKC):  www.acersoft.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:06:01 GMTi2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)" Subject: Re: VMS password cracking2 Message-ID: <JocR6.854$fi2.22611@news.cpqcorp.net>  f In article <01c0e85a$f6211dc0$120ba8c0@rlhkikker>, "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@radiolinja.fi> writes:J :Our computer security people asked me if there exists a program, that canG :check if people are using  as passwords the words that are listed in a < :file. That is if I have a file that includes for example...  G   Load the contents of the specified file of into the reserved passwordtE   database, and (if you are feeling really nasty) expire everybody's tB   password...  This means you do NOT know the password(s), and you9   do prevent folks from using the more obvious passwords.s  G   For details on the reserved password (password screening) mechanism,  E   please see chapter seven in the security manual...  You merge your eH   list of reserved passwords into the existing reserved words database: F   VMS$PASSWORD_DICTIONARY.DATA.  Further along this same approach, youD   can implement a site-specific password filter with the informationB   included in the back of the Programming Concepts manual, see theF   system parameter LOAD_PWD_POLICY and the programming concepts manualH   and the stuff in SYS$EXAMPLES (the examples are found only on OpenVMS    VAX kits, unfortunately).o  L :the program checks from SYSUAF.DAT how many users are using listed (bad)...  E   That's a one-shot fix.  Adding the passwords into the reserved filee.   prevents folks from using obvious passwords.  A :...I have been told that this is easy to do in NT environment . e  F   This is also easy using OpenVMS, and is a technique known to hackersD   as the "dictionary attack" -- the mechanism that makes this attackD   more difficult is the hashing scheme used on OpenVMS, and the file   protections on SYSUAF.    B :...if someone already has this kind of program I'd be grateful...  >   Um, sure, "script kiddies" would love to have this tool...    C   If you are a legitimate user (and no offense is intended), pleaserE   contact Compaq support directly, and I expect we can work with you oC   to ensure that your systems are secure.  (I and others have theseiC   "dictionary attack" tools around, and there is a version of this l+   in one of the security monitoring tools.)r  I   Also point your auditors at the "C2" guidelines in the security manual.f  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 30 May 2001 18:33:56 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)e" Subject: Re: VMS password cracking3 Message-ID: <8bWBNcrbE0OZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>m  g In article <JocR6.854$fi2.22611@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:   I >   For details on the reserved password (password screening) mechanism, tG >   please see chapter seven in the security manual...  You merge your eJ >   list of reserved passwords into the existing reserved words database: H >   VMS$PASSWORD_DICTIONARY.DATA.  Further along this same approach, youF >   can implement a site-specific password filter with the informationD >   included in the back of the Programming Concepts manual, see theH >   system parameter LOAD_PWD_POLICY and the programming concepts manualJ >   and the stuff in SYS$EXAMPLES (the examples are found only on OpenVMS  >   VAX kits, unfortunately).b  A The VMS 7.3 SDK 2 kit included them on Alpha, so I would hope themB real 7.3 kit would also have them on Alpha.  This would be at bestB a convenience to those who do not have VAX, since nobody should beA messing with this stuff if they do not have the skills to convertu! those examples from VAX to Alpha.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:33:28 -0500 % From: "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mcs.net>/0 Subject: Re: VMS price increases, rumor or fact?3 Message-ID: <J2iR6.3809$j02.86251@news.goodnet.com>e  L What John said.  The info my boss received was from our distributor (we're aK tiered VAR, or whatever thats called now under Compaq); they indicated thatgK prices on all VMS software licenses and VMS software products (specificallynK including BASIC and DQS, which) were going up by up to 15% due to increaseseL by the 'Q'.  I am trying to verify that; unfortunately the one or two peopleJ I knew on the inside are long gone.  So its the word of one (fairly major)G distributor so far, and unverified (though it sounds like my company is 7 going to be getting charged those prices regardless...)v  J I've received several authoritative sounding 'Nays' so far.  I've asked myI boss to call the distributor again and get a price list from them, and ifhL possible additional information on the increased prices they are quoting us., Hopefully its just a screw-up on their part.   Rich Jordanc rjordan@mcs.netn  2 Not trolling, not spreading rumors, just asking...   ========================   john nixon wrote in message ...oF >I believe that trying to to verify the truth is what he was trying toG >accomplish.  "CHECK WITH COMPAQ"???   Please tell me how that is done?s > @ >"Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message8 >news:ZJ6R6.11703$zl5.4217925@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... >> > >>I >> Best to check with Compaq before propagating an unverified rumour ....e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:54:46 +0100m+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> / Subject: Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware questiono' Message-ID: <3B155006.4CC25FCD@iee.org>a   Paul Repacholi wrote:aD > Worse, the only other FB system was the Cobras. They could not use  > DECNIS cards, and vis-a-versa.  ( This is true and it is sad (although the& opportunity for reuse would have been ) somewhat slim given the tight integratione( and carnal knowledge between the various DECnis parts).  + I did know the story of how it happened buto+ the margin was too small for me to write ite( down and remember it. I'll ask again :-)   Antonio    --     --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:56:07 +0100t+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>u/ Subject: Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware questionh' Message-ID: <3B155057.39104A7D@iee.org>h   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:F > You sold so many of them a re-spin of the CVAX chip was worth-while? > I am astounded.d  . CVAX FPU was a separate part, I think. So not ' dropping it into a design was perfectly 	 feasible.u   Antonio    -- w   ---------------i- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgz   ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 02:08:18 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>/ Subject: Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware questione- Message-ID: <8766ei6771.fsf@prep.synonet.com>a  - "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:s  < > So building an infoserver and NOT putting a CVAX FPU on it7 > (but still using the basic VS3100 design) sounds likeaA > a sensible way of getting to market quickly *and* saving money.r  D That depends on you costing structure. Another set of parts, special testing, stocking...   ...d  F > It sounds like management's must-not-run-vms edict was met simply byE > making a minor change to the boot ROM. The fact that later hardwarerF > was fundamentally incompatible with VMS was just a by-product of theA > design - i.e. they did not waste money making the box work thatlF > way. At least some - perhaps all - LPS printers had some sort of VAXF > chip running VAXeln inside them; booting OpenVMS on any of those may > not be possible either :-)  C > Of course, this does not mean that insanely stupid decisions were A > not made (I don't know - I was not there) but there seems to beh > little evidence for it.s  B Hapened several times in the DEC days. The KA620(?) had the kernelF page table physicaly addressed. It was done to spped it up, but it wasE a few percent slower, But, it would not run VMS, so it was a cheap RT E part. I booted VMS on a PLS/print server. Had to turn off aotoconfig,o= it would crash straight away. Can't remember the model sorry.a  E If the cost of a doggy chip is greater than all the extra overhead ofaA a whole seperate product line, the you have serious problems IMO!    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.b@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 02:10:08 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>/ Subject: Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware questione- Message-ID: <871yp6673z.fsf@prep.synonet.com>r  / Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:h  @ > Bad example, what about all those Futurebus development costs?? > Surely savings in the CPU cost were minimal compared to this?   B Worse, the only other FB system was the Cobras. They could not use DECNIS cards, and vis-a-versa.   Oh, and FB IO for the 7000s?   -- .< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.w@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:52:56 +0100-+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>o/ Subject: Re: VXT2000 hardware/firmware questiona' Message-ID: <3B154F98.7C771EC4@iee.org>s   Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > "antonio.carlini" wrote: >  > @ > Bad example, what about all those Futurebus development costs?? > Surely savings in the CPU cost were minimal compared to this?u  , My example was "how to reuse stuff you have  but cannot use elsewhere".  . At the time that FB was picked, it looked like, it had a future :-) I wasn't there, it's not	 my fault.-     Antonio.   ---------------y- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:30:48 -0500n1 From: Tracon Industries <tracon@mail.all-net.net>%% Subject: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.r0 Message-ID: <3B152038.25F36C46@mail.all-net.net>  E Anyone know if anyone has ported GNU GCL to OpenVMS or any other LISP  type software.  H I'm wanting to get the freeware math package Maxima (a subset of the old> Macsyma) up and running on my machine as I LOVED that package.   Thanks.i   Trav.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:28:39 -0500c1 From: Robert Alan Byer <byer@mail.ourservers.net>t) Subject: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.n2 Message-ID: <3B1549E7.FA86EAB@mail.ourservers.net>   > G > Anyone know if anyone has ported GNU GCL to OpenVMS or any other LISPn > type software. > J > I'm wanting to get the freeware math package Maxima (a subset of the old@ > Macsyma) up and running on my machine as I LOVED that package. >t  @ Cool, I loved Macsyma, used to eat up alot of CPU time with that package.  E I was looking for a LISP system myself a whort while back and most oft
 the public? systems that people pointed to were either outdated and wouln'tm compile/link9 on an Alpha or just couln't be found anymore for OpenVMS.b  G I've started a port of GNU GCL, but so far I haven't gotten far and I'msH not sure how far I'll get and would apprecate ANY help anyone might want
 to give :}   --    @  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Robert Alan Byer | byer@mail.ourservers.net | ICQ #65926579 |@  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Send an E-mail request to obtain a copy of my PGP key.      |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+@  | "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by |@  |  cans of cola the thoughts aquire speed, the hands aquire   |@  |  shakes, the shakes become a warning.  It is by caffeine    |@  |  alone I set my mind in motion."                            |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:19:25 -0400i  From: Kuff@Tessco.Com (Hal Kuff)% Subject: Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML?eO Message-ID: <A082CBA49B3F9AD6.7F8801D5B676C39C.E983D06FD2941F70@lp.airnews.net>u  > We have a partner that is implementing Weblogic Server on NT..  F They wish to send/receive XML files (with the proper serialisation and* recovery-delivery assurances) via SSL ....  E Is anyone out there running the middle-ware pieces of BEA/Weblogic on J OpenVMS and exchanging files with another system? Is it compatible in some way with RTR or IBM MessageQ ?  D Anyone using an XML parser in production... The Compaq freeware one? Someone elses?   ------------------------------  , Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:00:47 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>$ Subject: Re: What does READ/NEW do ?J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105302257560.20387-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  $ On Wed, 30 May 2001, JF Mezei wrote:  R >+Often, the "cure all" soution to MAIL problems is to issue the READ/NEW command. >+P >+What exactly does this command do ?  Does it scan MAIL.MAI for any record thatL >+has the unread bit set and then write back the resulting cound in the mail >+profile data file ??  ;  Not exactly; ONLY if the resulting count in MAILUAF may go : less to (lower to) 0 or no new mail (flagged as new) found- but the count is >0 - the count is corrected.t/  AFAIK & WithMyExperience limited, of course :)o    Regards - Gotfryd   -- tE ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:38:27 GMTn2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)5 Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS 6.2 support 18 & 36GB diskss2 Message-ID: <T_bR6.849$fi2.22501@news.cpqcorp.net>  i In article <BmYO6.45147$MR1.6904622@news02.optonline.net>, "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com> writes:r :Yep, they work fine. 7 :Nope, nothing particularly interesting about the INIT.i ..0 :"Vic Mendham" <vmendham@altavista.com> wrote...3 :: Will Open VMS support 18GB and 36 GB data disks?   D   You may (will) need an ECO or two for systems as far back as V6.2.  I   Please check the OpenVMS FAQ for details.  Section FILE5, among others.u      N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:10:18 -0400a- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>t" Subject: Re: Writing a MAIL script- Message-ID: <3B15459A.4E0C8447@bellsouth.net>l  S Actually, I think he is looking for a product similar to Supervisor.  He appears toeR be asking for a real-time "spying" tool to watch as they type, not after-the-fact.T It was very useful when troubleshooting a problem and you needed to see exactly whatS the other individual was entering into the form and it was like your terminal was a R mirror to theirs.  It also allowed you to go into a mode whereby your keyboard wasS also active.  You might search the archives (DECUS is a good place to start) to seeo if you can locate it.s   Michael Austin DBA Consultant.i     Jim Becker wrote:m  @ > If I understand the need correctly, why not set up forwarding? >n; > Example: MAIL> set forward/user=juser juser@somewhere.comC > C > Henceforth, whatever is sent to the VMS account juser goes to thea > indicated destination. >o > Chris Goudy wrote: > > 
 > > Hello, > >uR > > I am hoping to write a Mail script that emails a user's Windows NT/Lotus EmailG > > box whenever a user emails a VMS account from a VAX/ALPHA terminal.r > >oN > > What my problem is, is that I would like to capture whatever a user types. > >pH > > so they run their email like normal and the whole time I'm capturing > > everything they type.a > >iR > > Then after the mail is sent, I read what they typed and send out a copy of the > > email to the NT account. > >t? > > Anyone know how to capture this? I can't think of anything.o > >t > > Any help would be greato > >N > > Thanks,a > >d > > Chris Goudyo >e > -- > Jim Becker- > The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/) ) > Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/)g0 > ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 02:18:06 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?- Message-ID: <87snhm4s69.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   3 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:    > Simon Clubley wrote: > > O > > On Tue, 29 May 2001 14:15:11 -0500, in article <3B13F53F.4C55D9C9@fsi.net>,  > > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > >EL > > >Yes, certain benefits have been gained by playing ball with the RedmomdI > > >bullies. Of late, however, their monopolistic tactics have become so K > > >intolerable that even the Justice Department has seen fit to intervener* > > >(much too little and years too late). > > >  > > 0 > > What is the current Microsoft v DOJ status ? > > P > > I'm British and live in the UK, so I don't really know which way the currentO > > US administration is likely to go with this. I do know that prior to the US J > > election, the feeling in this newsgroup was that a Bush administrationG > > would be less likely to continue with the action against Microsoft.  > C > Experience with the "Dubbya" admin. tends to bear out the group'suF > initial take on the matter. He's a corporate lackey - period, end of > statement.   Yes, but who's?   N > > Is this likely to still be the case or has the DOJ viewpoint not changed ? > G > The DOJ tends to be strongly influenced by the feelings of the gov't. 
 > leaders.  H DOJ is out of it. we are waiting for the judges to return their verdict. Or hell to freeze over.s   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov -   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.299 ************************pam (Larry Kilgallen)e" Subject: Re: VMS password cracking3 Message-ID: <8bWBNcrbE0OZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>m  g In article <JocR6.854$fi2.22611@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                