1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 31 May 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 300       Contents: Re: 7.3 kits - Missing Manuals? 7 A New Twist on OpenVMS Marketing... and Media Packaging ; Re: A New Twist on OpenVMS Marketing... and Media Packaging ; Re: A New Twist on OpenVMS Marketing... and Media Packaging : Re: Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet access Apache/CGI under OpenVMS Re: Apache/CGI under OpenVMS Re: Backup to CD? % Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member.  Re: CD-RW on a VMS system. Re: CD-RW on a VMS system.& Re: HELP: OpenVMS Newbie needs help!!!& Re: HELP: OpenVMS Newbie needs help!!!& Re: HELP: OpenVMS Newbie needs help!!!; Re: Hobbyist Licenses - was Re: Affordable VMS Workstations P Re: HOW to config and start decnet.  was( Can't SET HOST to cluster memberADDENDP Re: HOW to config and start decnet.  was( Can't SET HOST to cluster memberADDEND* Re: Hung tape drive - OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2# Re: IBM opens their Linux Mainframe # Re: IBM opens their Linux Mainframe # Re: IBM opens their Linux Mainframe # Re: IBM opens their Linux Mainframe  Re: IRCD for VMS$ Need some information on VMS and VAX( Re: Need some information on VMS and VAX+ Need VAX maintenance documentation urgently P News Release: EMC Symmetrix Named World's Best Storage System For IBMiSeries Ser5 Re: Oracle Export 8.1.7 much slower than 7.3.2 on VMS 5 Re: Oracle Export 8.1.7 much slower than 7.3.2 on VMS  Re: Rambus loses another one Re: Rambus loses another one6 Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression options6 Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression options6 Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression options6 Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression options6 Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression options* Re: TCP/IP based printing from VAX/VMS 6.26 User sued by DEC, was: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations: Re: User sued by DEC, was: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations: RE: User sued by DEC, was: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations: Re: User sued by DEC, was: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations: Re: User sued by DEC, was: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations: Re: User sued by DEC, was: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations  VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :($ Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :($ Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :($ Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :($ Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :($ Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :( Re: VMS Musings $ Voice-Modem under VMS: Any Feedback?  Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 05:02:21 -0500 (CDT) & From: Drew Shelton <drew@sematech.org>( Subject: Re: 7.3 kits - Missing Manuals?- Message-ID: <01K47A3TQJKE004JL4@SEMATECH.Org>   H The Alpha System Dump Analyzer Utility Manual was made part of the AlphaK System Analysis Tools Manual in 7.2, and it has that same name in 7.3.  The D others may be consolidated into other manuals as well, but I haven't checked.  L ============================================================================6 Drew Shelton                         drew@sematech.org9 VMS Systems Manager                  office: 512-356-7575 9 Sematech                             fax:    512-356-7600  2706 Montopolis Drive K Austin, TX 78741-6499                I speak for myself only, not Sematech. B     "OpenVMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT v8.0 to be!"I                                                         - Compaq, 9/22/98 L ============================================================================    M >I find no replacement in QA-001AA-WZ-073 OVMS VAX+ALPHA FULL DOC UPD for the  >following:   O >AA-PV68B-TK OPENVMS PROGRAMMING INTERFACES: CALLING A SYSTEM SUBROUTINE [V7.1] E >AA-PV6UC-TE OPENVMS ALPHA SYSTEM DUMP ANALYZER UTILITY MANUAL [V7.1] J >AA-QJGDB-TE OPENVMS VAX TCP/IP NETWORKING ON OPENVMS SYSTEMS (7.1) [V7.1]M >AA-QSBCC-TE OPENVMS ALPHA GUIDE TO 64-BIT ADDRESSING AND VLM FEATURES [V7.2] N >AA-QSBKB-TE MIGRATING AN APPLICATION FROM OPENVMS VAX TO OPENVMS ALPHA (V7.1) >[V7.1] P >AA-R0Y8A-TE OPENVMS CREATING AN OPENVMS ALPHA DEVICE DRIVER FROM AN OPENVMS VAX >DEVICE DRIVER [V7.1]    >Are these still valid? ; >Are these still part of the doc set (just not superseded)?  >Are these Obsolete?  P >Note:  The Documentation Overview has been combined within the new New Features >Manual    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:11:07 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>@ Subject: A New Twist on OpenVMS Marketing... and Media Packaging< Message-ID: <vxqR6.8663$QP6.5076195@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   Seen on THE INQUIRER this date.   ' http://www.theinquirer.net/31050105.htm    -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher Shannon Knows Compaq  email: terryshannon@mediaone.net$ Web (info on SKC):  www.acersoft.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:00:49 GMT & From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com>D Subject: Re: A New Twist on OpenVMS Marketing... and Media Packaging? Message-ID: <l8sR6.357031$fs3.57329928@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>   E Sorta proves that Compaq marketing is still not sure exactly what the I letters VMS mean.  (Very Mean System mabye?)  That basic misunderstanding > makes it difficult to successfully mount a marketing campaign.  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 6 news:vxqR6.8663$QP6.5076195@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...! > Seen on THE INQUIRER this date.  > ) > http://www.theinquirer.net/31050105.htm  >  > -- > Terry C. Shannon > Consultant and Publisher > Shannon Knows Compaq" > email: terryshannon@mediaone.net& > Web (info on SKC):  www.acersoft.com >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:25:13 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>D Subject: Re: A New Twist on OpenVMS Marketing... and Media Packaging= Message-ID: <dvsR6.13675$zl5.4698812@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   1 "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message 9 news:l8sR6.357031$fs3.57329928@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com... G > Sorta proves that Compaq marketing is still not sure exactly what the K > letters VMS mean.  (Very Mean System mabye?)  That basic misunderstanding @ > makes it difficult to successfully mount a marketing campaign. >   I Hey, life is short, why obsess over a goofup on the part of the corporate J graphics department. I sincerely doubt that the layout and design folks in@ Houston or whereever have any knowledge of VMS,  Solaris, or theK breakthrough HOSIX operating system. This one cannot be laid at the feet of  the VMS Marketing Group.  J Make a mistake, ya might as well have a little fun with it. Compaq has farJ better things to do with its resources than initiate a recall of the media
 packaging.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:13:09 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> C Subject: Re: Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet access + Message-ID: <3B164365.50A84344@hsc.vcu.edu>   K like a mob hit man????   Like the studios kept Moe on as a errand boy after ? the three stooges were laid off, and before their movies??  ;-)   " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:  I > If he stays around, it'll be close to proof he's officially sanctioned.  >  > Shane  > ; > Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> on 05/30/2001 07:04:50 AM  > 3 > Please respond to Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > cc:  > B > Subject:  Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet access >  > According to The Register:G > >Sun Microsystems has told it employees NOT to use the Internet in an G > effort to shave a few dollars off its phone bill and thereby make its # > annual results look a bit better.  > >  > 7 > See http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/19277.html  >  > What will Andrew do all day? > -- > Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:07:59 +0100 ' From: Chris Munt <cm@cmunt.demon.co.uk> ! Subject: Apache/CGI under OpenVMS 0 Message-ID: <pwA0ulGvIkF7Ew6J@cmunt.demon.co.uk>   Hi,   D I'm currently porting a CGI module from UNIX to OpenVMS/alpha with a@ view to using it with Compaq's (Apache-based) secure web server.  C The module is written in standard C and is designed to deliver both H textual (e.g. HTML) and binary (e.g. Images etc...) data to the browser.  % I'm running into the following issue:   F I find that delivering text-based content back to the web server using   printf(buffer);   E works fine.  Of course, this is unsuitable for returning binary data. ' I therefore need to use something like:   # write(STDOUT_FILENO, buffer, size);   F By the way, this is the function I use within the UNIX implementation.? However, I find that VMS inserts a CRLF after each character in % 'buffer'.  i.e. if 'buffer' contains:    ABC   / the stream actually returned to the browser is:   ! ASCII: 65 13 10 66 13 10 67 13 10   B I guess I'm falling into some weird terminal/control mode which is7 interpreting and modifying the stream through 'stdout'.   B The question is, how can I make VMS just return the buffer without0 messing around with the contents/output stream ?  G Thanks, in advance, for any help/insight anyone can give regarding this 	 problem !    Regards,   Chris.     --------------------- 
 Chris Munt ITA Consulting Ltd Royal Marsden NHS Trust 6 M/Gateway Developments Ltd   : http://www.mgateway.com ---------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:25:31 -0400 9 From: Matthew Doremus <Matthew.Doremus@Compaq.Com.NoSpam> % Subject: Re: Apache/CGI under OpenVMS 1 Message-ID: <3B16626B.7387884B@Compaq.Com.NoSpam>   G Large binary file transfer is a problem that has been corrected in CSWS I V1.0-1.  If you'd like to see a more detailed explaination of the problem , and solution please check the following url:  P http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_relnotes.html#new    and look for the section called:  A Problem corrected in V1.0-1: Large binary file transfer using CGI    Chris Munt wrote:    > Hi,  > F > I'm currently porting a CGI module from UNIX to OpenVMS/alpha with aB > view to using it with Compaq's (Apache-based) secure web server. > E > The module is written in standard C and is designed to deliver both J > textual (e.g. HTML) and binary (e.g. Images etc...) data to the browser. > ' > I'm running into the following issue:  > H > I find that delivering text-based content back to the web server using >  > printf(buffer);  > G > works fine.  Of course, this is unsuitable for returning binary data. ) > I therefore need to use something like:  > % > write(STDOUT_FILENO, buffer, size);  > H > By the way, this is the function I use within the UNIX implementation.A > However, I find that VMS inserts a CRLF after each character in ' > 'buffer'.  i.e. if 'buffer' contains:  >  > ABC  > 1 > the stream actually returned to the browser is:  > # > ASCII: 65 13 10 66 13 10 67 13 10  > D > I guess I'm falling into some weird terminal/control mode which is9 > interpreting and modifying the stream through 'stdout'.  > D > The question is, how can I make VMS just return the buffer without2 > messing around with the contents/output stream ? > I > Thanks, in advance, for any help/insight anyone can give regarding this  > problem !  > 
 > Regards, >  > Chris. >  > ---------------------  > Chris Munt > ITA Consulting Ltd > Royal Marsden NHS Trust 8 > M/Gateway Developments Ltd   : http://www.mgateway.com > ---------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:38:56 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Backup to CD?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-3105011038560001@user-2ivec0d.dialup.mindspring.com>  H In article <3B150D94.C3F337EB@bbc.co.uk>, tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk wrote:   > Alan Greig wrote:  > 5 > > On Tue, 29 May 2001 12:39:36 +0100, Tim Llewellyn $ > > <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote: > >  > > > F > > >Anyone know how one determine the actual compression factor for a TZ8* drive,  > > >EASILY? > > F > > Don't recall how far back this goes but certainly on the later DLTJ > > libraries with front panel LCD display and menus one of the menu itemsG > > is compression ratio IIRC. I'm not near a drive to check right now. " > > Might be under the maint menu. > >  > P > A DLT library would be a considerable luxury for me. Something that works withJ > a raw drive and doesn't involve me doing the calculations would be best.   Well, this isn't easy...  G The manual for the DLT 4000 lists all the SCSI commands for the drive.  8 IIRC, there's a query to find out the compression ratio.  H There's a way to send raw SCSI commands to a device, but I've never doneJ it.  Someone with experience in this area could probably do it in no time.  J There's also a "load tape" command, and someday I'll get around to writing8 a little program that will ask a drive to load the tape.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 10:29:13 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> . Subject: Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member.H Message-ID: <y4y9rdkjl2.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  # Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes:   ? > %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable K > if I do a SHOW CLUSTER it looks fine, so there must be connectivity.  The ) > activity lights on the hub look normal.   L The cluster software uses a seperate stack above layer 2. The basic physicalK connectivity is there, but the question is whether DECnet is actually using  it, for instance.    	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:23:14 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) # Subject: Re: CD-RW on a VMS system. 0 Message-ID: <009FCD22.A2DC18E6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  m In article <9f3ovb$bbt$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk> writes: M >I've tried the DK driver and the GK driver. Some of the notes somewhere said M >that the DK driver on 3100's doesn't work with CD-RW's but the 4000's are OK 	 >with it.   E Right.  Some buffer size restrictions will cause burn failure if you  E connect the drive with DKDRIVER on the 3100s.  Use GKDRIVER if that's E the case.  Doesn't much matter as you can't read (VMS mount) from the  drive in either case.     D >It would be nice to use the Plextor as a portable CD drive but some& >responses say CDRECORD can only burn.   Hence its name.     C The problem is getting the DKDRIVER to respect the drive's various  B capabilities.  Glenn Everhart sent me a bit of code which places aD pseudo-driver between you and the drive.  It talks to the drive withB IO$_DIAGNOSE and presents you with a virtual disk for mounting.  IB haven't had the time to play with it so I cannot comment as to its worth. --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------   Date: 31 May 2001 07:39:07 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.021386.killspam.015b (Wayne Sewell) # Subject: Re: CD-RW on a VMS system. . Message-ID: <wQJlaBwmzvmY@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  m In article <9f38ik$3q0$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk> writes: M > This is an update of something I posted a couple of months ago. I shouldn't I > really complain about freeware I suppose but trying to find information A > about writing to a CD-RW from VMS has basically been confusing, : > contradictary and a litany of busted websites and links. > > > System: VAXstation 4000/60 with OpenVMS 6.2 and Y2K patches.' > CDRECORD: 1.8a9 (only doco is 1.8.1). J > CD-RW: Plextor Plexwriter 12/4/32 SCSI-2 (HD50) in a tabletop enclosure.D > This Plextor is the closest I could find that matched the CDRECORDN > information. It works as I have attached it to an NT system and it was fine.  O You might try a more recent version of vms.  In general, 7.x does a much better ) job in dealing with foreign scsi devices.      > D > The Plextor has some selector switches on the back for parity (on)J > termination (on -  last in chain), test (off) and block. The manual saysM > that turning this on makes it ready for Unix environments. There is nothingML > more in the manual about this than that. Everything below has been done in" > the Unix and "Windows" settings. > M > * At the console prompt the VAXstation recognises the device and that it isn > a Plextor device.. > L > * VMS recognises the device and recognises that it is a Plextor. See below1 > but you'll need courier font to see it aligned.s >    [stuff deleted]    > N > * I have not been able to mount anything with this drive though with variousJ > combinations of MOUNT/MEDIA=CDROM/UNDEFINED_FAT=STREAM:2048 etc etc etc.M > Some of these commands are from the VMS FAQ. Any form of mount generates ann > error on the device count. '  O The inability to mount a cdrom does not mean that you are unable to burn a cd-r  with the drive.e  J I have never had success mounting a cdrom on vms using any form of cd-r orM cd-rw drive.  Nor has vaxman, according to a recent post.  Just do what Briani0 and I do: use a regular cdrom drive for reading.    ) >An analysis of the error is shown below.V >    [analysis deleted]   > L > * I haven't really been able to try CDRECORD. I did do a CDRECORD -SCANBUSF > DEV=0,2,0 out of interest and it reported that unable to find device  > DKA002!! Which was a surprise.  O Dunno about that.  Never used -scanbus myself.  Have you tried to actually burnaH a cd-r with the regular command?  You can attempt a dummy write to avoid= wasting a cd-r.  The dev= above should be correct for dka200.a   > * > * I've tried this on a Alphastation 255    What version of vms there?  $ >and the results are pretty much the= > same except an error is reported as "invalid media format".i >  >   K cdrecord Works fine for me using two different yamaha drives: CRW4416SX andrK CRW2100S.  Like I say, try a dummy burn rather than trying to mount or scant busses.   M I am using an alphastation 200 running 7.2-1.  Never tried burning on a vax. :4 Again, I would suggest an upgrade at the very least.  N I recently got the CRW2100S because I thought the CRW4416SX had failed.  EveryK burn I attempted ended with an abort.  Turned out there was an error in thesO disk drive the container file was on, so I bought the new drive unnecessarily. tK Bummer.  Oh, well.  Now I can burn twice as fast, and I can certify another  drive for use on vms.  :-)   Waynee   -- AO ===============================================================================sM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx-: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)sO ===============================================================================iK Hotel guy (after bed demolition):  That bed goes back to Henry the eighth!!dO    Curly: That's nothin'!  We had a bed go back to Sears and Roebuck the fifth!l   ------------------------------   Date: 31 May 2001 07:21:27 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)S/ Subject: Re: HELP: OpenVMS Newbie needs help!!! 0 Message-ID: <9f4rdn$ed0$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  d In article <3B15240F.57C69E07@mail.all-net.net>, Tracon Industries <tracon@mail.all-net.net> writes:I >I have a nice AlphaPC 164 system with 256 MEG RAM, UltraSCSI hard drivese? >and controller and Hobbyist OpenVMS v7.2 with all the patches.  > E >I'm going to use this as my local UseNet news server using the DNEWS=, >package (http://www.netwin.com/) for Alpha. >=E >The software is great, easy to use, but it keeps crashing.  It keepsSE >crashing out telling me that it can't allocate enough memory when itP> >tried to rebuild it's database index or expire news articles. >U >The exact message is... >PD >26 02:03:28  :error: Memory exceeded USER1:[SRC.DNEWS]DB.C;61:5979, >141248 bytes, total 19788014  >.G >I've played with the quotas in the user account the program is run outS7 >of and I've tried just about everything I dare to try.V >VI >The documentation says that it's a virtual memory hog and I THOUGHT thatV6 >I knew what to change to solve this, but I guess not. >[H >I would appreciate any help with this as I'm new to all of this and any8 >suggestion pointg me in the right direction would help.  J Did you check the relevant system parameters, e.g. WSMAX? You know that itG has no effect to increase the user's quotas if the corresponding systemM parameter is lower.h   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:42:10 +0100d% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>$/ Subject: Re: HELP: OpenVMS Newbie needs help!!!r8 Message-ID: <oq0cht01hk7knoft42d3as3jmsts05o1ls@4ax.com>  5 On Wed, 30 May 2001 16:47:11 -0500, Tracon Industriesb  <tracon@mail.all-net.net> wrote:   >u >tD >26 02:03:28  :error: Memory exceeded USER1:[SRC.DNEWS]DB.C;61:5979, >141248 bytes, total 19788014  >sG >I've played with the quotas in the user account the program is run outH7 >of and I've tried just about everything I dare to try.3  D What's the vale of pgflquo for the account in question? Try doubling it as a first step  I >The documentation says that it's a virtual memory hog and I THOUGHT thatm6 >I knew what to change to solve this, but I guess not. >,H >I would appreciate any help with this as I'm new to all of this and any8 >suggestion pointg me in the right direction would help.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:13:39 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> / Subject: Re: HELP: OpenVMS Newbie needs help!!!r2 Message-ID: <3B1660D4.10EF8EF6@clarityconnect.com>  C If the process is started as a detached process via a RUN/DETACH ormC $CREPRC call then modify the command to supply the largest pagefilefG quota you'd like to allow the process to have.  If you don't specify iteE then the process will get it from the higher of PQL_D or PQL_M paramseH for it (unless of course the AUTH flag is set in which case it'll get itB from the UAF for the username of the process creating the detached	 process).    Tracon Industries wrote: > 	 > HELP!!!  >  > Here's the deal... > J > I have a nice AlphaPC 164 system with 256 MEG RAM, UltraSCSI hard drives@ > and controller and Hobbyist OpenVMS v7.2 with all the patches. > F > I'm going to use this as my local UseNet news server using the DNEWS- > package (http://www.netwin.com/) for Alpha.  > F > The software is great, easy to use, but it keeps crashing.  It keepsF > crashing out telling me that it can't allocate enough memory when it? > tried to rebuild it's database index or expire news articles.e >  > The exact message is...i > E > 26 02:03:28  :error: Memory exceeded USER1:[SRC.DNEWS]DB.C;61:5979,u > 141248 bytes, total 19788014 > H > I've played with the quotas in the user account the program is run out8 > of and I've tried just about everything I dare to try. > J > The documentation says that it's a virtual memory hog and I THOUGHT that7 > I knew what to change to solve this, but I guess not.c > I > I would appreciate any help with this as I'm new to all of this and anye9 > suggestion pointg me in the right direction would help.o   -- fD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:03:34 +0200<) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> D Subject: Re: Hobbyist Licenses - was Re: Affordable VMS Workstations, Message-ID: <3B15ECC6.23D8B681@infopuls.com>   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:  > . > In article <9f0j5h$1aat$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>,< > bill@triangle.cs.uofs.education  (Bill Gunshannon) writes:+ > > In article <3B13C516.D029B887@fsi.net>,n8 > >  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > > |> Tim Llewellyn wrote:s > > |> >I > > |> > I personally favour the following approach. Develop version 1 onnJ > > |> > hobbyiest licences if thats all you have. Release it as freeware.K > > |> > Hold back a few features. If sufficient interest is generated thenb; > > |> > get on CSA program and develop commercial product.i > > |> > > |> THREE CHEERS FOR TIM!!! > > |> > > |> Excellent idea!!! > >cH > > Except for the fact that if your original intent was the developmentK > > of a potentially commercial product you are in violation of the license H > > agreement for the Hobbyist program.   I have no doubt that if peopleI > > start using the hobbyist program for this kind of activity it will gow	 > > away.  > & > From the Compaq Hobby License Terms: > : > "Use of the Licensed Computer is ONLY FOR NON-COMMERCIAL? > USES (e.g., home use).  As such, you may not use the Licensed N > Computer for any business purposes whatsoever, e.g., to develop applications. > for resale, to do business accounting, etc." > N > Unlike the Gnu Public License (GPL), there is no requirement that a hobbyist= > releases the sources to their software that they give away.e > J > Nor is there any language about requiring any specific license terms forL > software developed on a system licensed by the hobby agreement except that > the software can not be sold.b > H > There is nothing to stop someone in the CSA program from using the CSAO > resources to support freeware, public domain, or GNU Public licensed softwareoO > and charging for it.  The GPL requires that the sources be made available forfJ > reasonable media fee, and that the receiver can further redistribute it. > H > I am not a lawyer, nor do I represent Compaq in this, but I do not seeK > anything in the specific text of the Compaq Hobby License Aggreement thatqP > precludes software that was originally developed under the Hobby License beingF > converted to software developed and supported under the CSA program. > G > I also do not see anything that prohibits a hobbyist from selling theeL > experience and knowledge that they gained using a hobby licensed system on4 > a client's commercially licensed system for money. > D > Or using that experience and knowledge to get a better paying job. >  > -John  > wb8tyw@qsl.network > personal opinion only)  < You are perfectly right. And moreover outside the sick legal> system of the Anglo-American countries like USA and little bit@ also England an agressor like Compaq has to proof that you had a@ commercial intention when you started to develop your SW. If you> look at other much more obvious things that seem to be against> some paragraphs of contracts or laws you're feeling completely. safe if you start to develop something on VMS.  7 I suggest not waste any time of this fruitless subject.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:08:38 +0200n" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>Y Subject: Re: HOW to config and start decnet.  was( Can't SET HOST to cluster memberADDEND-( Message-ID: <9f51kk$3v5$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  ( To configure, use @sys$manager:netconfig To start: @sys$manager:netstart/  I The netconfig utility is rather straight forward. Have the DECnet address  and nodenameH ready and that's it. It'll ask whether you want to have a routing or end node. hat dependsB7 on your license (e.g. DVNETEND is an and node license).e7 Check that your SCSSYSTEMID matches your DECnet adress.CJ If the DECnet address is A.N then the SCSSYSTEMID parameter (maintained by SYSGEN)n must be (1024*A)+N. Example:   $ mc sysgen sho scssysG Parameter Name            Current    Default     Min.     Max.     Unitt DynamiceL --------------            -------    -------    -------  -------   ----  --- ----K SCSSYSTEMID                  1025          0         0        -1 Pure-numbeo $ sh net  E Product:  DECNET        Node:  HELIUM               Address(es):  1.1.@ Product:  TCP/IP        Node:  helium.fuji-ef.nl    Address(es): 193.202.98.1 $      Hope this helps,   Hans  , Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEJCCKAA.tom@kednos.com...tI > Allright, I give.  How do I configure and start decnet on a VAX runningr 7.1D >4  > NCP help is at best worthless. >h > Tom. >  > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: John E. Malmberg [mailto:malmberg@encompasserve.org]) > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:41 PMS > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma: > > Subject: Re: Can't SET HOST to cluster member ADDENDUM > >" > >a= > > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEIECKAA.tom@kednos.com>,a' > > Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes:-K > > > I have three machines that form a cluster (6.2 and 7.1 on AXp and 7.1- on
 > > > VAX) > > >09 > > > All of a sudden I can't get to the VAX or out of iti > > >iC > > > %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable. > > >g< > > > if I do a SHOW CLUSTER it looks fine, so there must be > > connectivity.  The- > > > activity lights on the hub look normal., > > > " > > > Any thoughts are appreciated > > > K > > > I forgot to add that I switched form a 4000/60  to a 4000/90 a coupley of > > > weeks ago by simply D > > > moving the drives and rebooting, and I may not have done a SET > > HOST since.c? > > > Obviously decnet is running because it joins the cluster.s > > C > > No, DECNET is not required for it to join the cluster.  Cluster  > > communications > > do not use DECNET. > >S= > > I am not familiar if the VAXStation 4000 Model 60 and theW > > VAXStation 4000 Model-G > > 90 share the same ethernet hardware.  If they do not, then you mustg change2 > > the name of the device in the decnet database. > >c? > > Assuming phase IV, the easiest way to do that is to run the  > > NETCONFIG commands	 > > file.  > >K! > > What does the following show?  > >' > > $MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN CIRC > > $MCR NCP LIST KNOWN CIRC > > $MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN LINKSr > > $MCR NCP LIST KNOWN LINKS. > > I > > It may be that the quotas that were sufficient for the one VAXstationc aretF > > not sufficient for the other.  I do not think that is likely here.G > > Running autogen after you get DECNET fixed would probably be a goods	 > > idea.C > >R	 > > -Johnb > > wb8tyw@qsl.network > > Personal Opinion Onlyg > >D >I   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:05:00 +0100 9 From: "Colin Butcher" <colinDOTbutcherATxdeltaDOTcoDOTuk> Y Subject: Re: HOW to config and start decnet.  was( Can't SET HOST to cluster memberADDENDoA Message-ID: <991314146.11301.0.nnrp-01.9e98f8e9@news.demon.co.uk>m   Remember that:  J 4000-60 has ESA ethernet device which shows as Phase IV circuit/line SVA-0J 4000-90 has EZA ethernet device which shows as Phase IV circuit/line ISA-0  E I think that the simple cause of it not working is that you booted oneL different hardware and it can no longer find the ethernet device in order toI set up a DECnet line / circuit. Fix it by either re-running NETCONFIG.COMm@ (if in Phase IV land) or NET$CONFIGURE.COM (if in Phase V land).  E You may have a similar problem with TCP/IP services in the INTERFACES L section - use UCX$CONFIG (V4.2 and earlier) or TCPIP$CONFIG (V5.0 and later)L depending which version you're running. Simply reconfigure the interfaces in the core environment menu.  ; A quicker fix for DECnet (which should work on-the-fly) is:a   IF PHASE_IVb THEN  L        Use NCP to define the ISA-0 line and circuit (do LIST KNOWN LINE CHARD and LIST KNO CIRC CHAR to get the SVA-0 settings, then use those forK defining the ISA-0 line / circuit). Think about increasing line buffers for J the EZA device which is faster. Enable it on-the-fly with SET KNO LINE ALL and SET KNO CIRC ALL.e   ENDIFw  * IF PHASE_V (aka DECnet/OSI or DECnet-Plus) THEN  L        Edit the NCL script file which starts the routing circuits and changeC the device name from ESA0 to EZA0. Simply search the NCL scripts inrL SYS$STARTUP for "ESA" and replace with "EZA". That should also catch any MOPH stuff as well. Enable it by running the changed scripts from within NCL.   ENDIFo  I Running AUTOGEN afterwards is not a bad idea either, especially if memoryd& size has changed in the hardware move.   -- Hope this helps. Colinp# (colinDOTbutcherATxdeltaDOTcoDOTuk)e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:56:57 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)3 Subject: Re: Hung tape drive - OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 2 Message-ID: <JBvR6.889$fi2.24498@news.cpqcorp.net>  d In article <e12df3dd.0105301331.6e61b6fe@posting.google.com>, ewilts@mediaone.net (Ed wilts) writes:  J   Quesce the bus, disconnect the tape drive, change the SCSI unit number, I   and reconnect it.  AUTOCONFIG the system.  This approach could lead to oM   data corruptions on any active SCSI transfers!  This approach also assumes eK   the drive is itself working correctly, and the drive firmware is current.   A :ANA/SYS shows that the device is Busy on 2 channels.  I've triedoG :unloading and reloading the tape, I've tried powering off the two tapenB :drives on the same SCSI bus and swapping the SCSI IDs, but so farE :neither approach has worked.  I can't stop/id the batch job with theSD :I/Os pending.  Rebooting the system is not an option at this time. + :Any suggestions as to what I can try next?   D   Something lost an I/O somewhere.  I'll assume you cannot duplicateD   this, and I will assume you have a valid SCSI configuration and noD   relevent hardware errors.  A forced-crash might be interesting, ifH   you have a dumpfile configured.  Also check for and apply any and all    mandatory ECO kits.e    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:16:28 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brs, Subject: Re: IBM opens their Linux MainframeL Message-ID: <OFECBEDF4A.95A2A18D-ON03256A5D.003D98CD@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H The old brazilian company called Elebra, which used to produce a "clone"H of the VAX computers  (legally), used to have a show room with all their VAXeH hardware in their HQ building. Everybody in the elevators hall could see the=G machines working.  It is marketing ....  IBM knows what to do with this  "word".C  E Compaq received  the heritage from DEC ..... Marketing ? What is it ?w   Regardsh          A fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) em 30/05/2001 14:59:25e  < Favor responder a fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com=      , Assunto: Re: IBM opens their Linux Mainframe    
 In articleA <OFB6DAB346.21923CA8-ON032569D7.003D03CA@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,a-  <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote:- : Click- : < : http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/lcds :(! : To see what is marketing by IBMH ::H DEC used to do the same thing -- they gave out guest accounts on VMS and" Digital UNIX to anybody who asked.  I I really do not understand the turn things have taken.  Once upon a time,IK it was considered a good thing to make life easy for developers -- the moredJ programmers had access to a platform, the more software there would be for it,s9 hance the more attractive it would be in the marketplace.c  I Nowadays, most commercial UNIXes (let alone VMS) don't even come with a C & compiler.  Forget guest developer IDs!  K But yes, IBM is doing the right thing.  And look at the reaction -- they'retH so swamped with applications for guest IDs they had to stop taking them.   - Frank    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:17:03 -03001) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bry, Subject: Re: IBM opens their Linux MainframeL Message-ID: <OFACCDBB7C.D2FE8817-ON03256A5D.003DF216@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Did DEC patent the Shark LOGO ?    Regardse   FC        E "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> em 30/05/2001 19:08:39   @ Favor responder a "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt      , Assunto: Re: IBM opens their Linux Mainframe      6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OFB6DAB346.21923CA8-ON032569D7.003D03CA@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br... > Clicks >w< > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/lcds >-! > To see what is marketing by IBM- >-  = What it is, is a blatant ripoff of the OpenVMS Shark graphic!8   ------------------------------   Date: 31 May 2001 07:57:27 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.021386.killspam.015b (Wayne Sewell)n, Subject: Re: IBM opens their Linux Mainframe. Message-ID: <K$x2uLOZvow$@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  t In article <HbeR6.12349$zl5.4343712@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:8 > <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageH > news:OFB6DAB346.21923CA8-ON032569D7.003D03CA@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br... >> Click >>= >> http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/lcdsy >>" >> To see what is marketing by IBM >> > ? > What it is, is a blatant ripoff of the OpenVMS Shark graphic!y  K Most definitely.  I have the vms shark on the tachyon page, and this one isI identical to it.   -- sO ===============================================================================tM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O ===============================================================================eK Hotel guy (after bed demolition):  That bed goes back to Henry the eighth!!hO    Curly: That's nothin'!  We had a bed go back to Sears and Roebuck the fifth!3   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:31:55 -0500H1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>1, Subject: Re: IBM opens their Linux Mainframe' Message-ID: <3B1655DB.8977C4F5@fsi.net>i   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:a > 8 > <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageH > news:OFB6DAB346.21923CA8-ON032569D7.003D03CA@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...	 > > Clicke > >l> > > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/lcds > > # > > To see what is marketing by IBMc > >t > ? > What it is, is a blatant ripoff of the OpenVMS Shark graphic!   C Hhmmm... Potential copyright infringement? ...abuse of a registered  (someone else's) trademark?a  ) Calling Compaq legal dept. - is any body?,  . Oh, yeah - sorry. We've been down *THAT* road.   -- n David J. Dachterah dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.2   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:06:33 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>t Subject: Re: IRCD for VMSn8 Message-ID: <bbubhtg9pv2elp4vo71q613hj7qns42d2h@4ax.com>  E On 31 May 2001 02:21:43 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>l wrote:  , >Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: >sE >> > Sounds like HypterTerm to me which is the default VT100 emulatoriB >> > provided with all versions of Windows. It has the worst VT100  >> > emulation I have ever seen. > 0 >> Is it allowed to call that a VT100 emulation? > K >Well, you could not call it a VT52 emulation! VT100 was mearly unreadable.s9 >VT52 gave garbage screen scratching all over the screen.a  D As I just discovered if you go to http://www.hilgraeve.com , you canB download a free upgrade to HyperTerm (for personal use) which addsB proper VT100 capability and fixes numerous other problems with the@ version shipped with Windows. Which begs the question why a richB company such as Microsoft continues to license and ship an ancient broken version.u -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:12:08 -0400n- From: Diana Douglas <dianadouglas@alltel.net>e- Subject: Need some information on VMS and VAX>4 Message-ID: <000e01c0e9ec$722bca40$59d027a2@1csn101>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0E9CA.EA278CE0w Content-Type: text/plain;f 	charset="iso-8859-1"e+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableo   Dear Sir/Madam=20e  H In reference to your note on one of the web pages, I am trying to find =C out more regarding VAX and VMS. I am hoping to base my final year =iG project on the two OS and I also want to find out if the commands are = 5 similar to DOS. My project is network security based. J I would be happy if you can get back to me with whatever information you =& can come up with as soon as possible .  & Thanks in advance for your assistance,  
 Diana Douglase  + ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0E9CA.EA278CE0  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"e+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>7 <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =e charset=3Diso-8859-1">8 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.100" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE>h </HEAD>a <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>= <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Sir/Madam </FONT></DIV>c4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>J <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In reference to your note on one of the =
 web pages,=20t< I am trying to find out more regarding VAX and VMS.&nbsp;I = am&nbsp;hoping to=20G base my final year project on the two&nbsp;OS and&nbsp;I also want to =f find out=20PE if the commands are similar to DOS. My project is network security=20f based.</FONT></DIV>iJ <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I would be happy if you can get back to =
 me with=207 whatever information you can come up with as soon as=20f possible&nbsp;.</FONT></DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>C <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks in advance&nbsp;for your=20e assistance,</FONT></DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>H <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Diana</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT face=3DArial=20+ size=3D2>Douglas</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   - ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0E9CA.EA278CE0--e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:54:30 -0400.( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>1 Subject: Re: Need some information on VMS and VAXd+ Message-ID: <3B167745.41A28E73@bigfoot.com>h  G VAX is one type of computer hardware on top of which VMS (the operatingrD system) runs.  Alpha is the other type of computer hardware for VMS.@ Also, if you see references to "OpenVMS", this is the same thingF (without going through the history - I am trying to restrain my primalB urge to viciously assault marketing people) as VMS.  If you have aF machine running VMS at your disposal type "help" at the "$" prompt andF start from there.  If you don't have access on one, one is kindly madeD available by  Freddy Meerwaldt by TELNETing to vax6k.openecs.org and2 logging in with username "guest" (see above post).   HM   Diana Douglas wrote:  H > Dear Sir/Madam In reference to your note on one of the web pages, I amG > trying to find out more regarding VAX and VMS. I am hoping to base myaE > final year project on the two OS and I also want to find out if theeE > commands are similar to DOS. My project is network security based.IeH > would be happy if you can get back to me with whatever information youC > can come up with as soon as possible . Thanks in advance for yourC > assistance, Diana Douglase   ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 10:18:22 -0700' From: josezb@wbmassociates.com (josezb)f4 Subject: Need VAX maintenance documentation urgently= Message-ID: <565b7669.0105310918.651d403d@posting.google.com>-  = I'm looking for documentation on DEC computers (VAX 4000-700, A VS4000-90...) manufactured from the end of the eighties to aroundLF 1995.  In particular, I'm interested in any documentation needed to do$ component level maintenance such as:   1)  Maintenance Manualse 2)  Board component layoutso 3)  List of components 4)  Schematics 5)  Block Diagrams% 6)  Any other available documentation   F I've had no luck with Compaq.  Any contacts you could give me would be greatly appreciated.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:55:05 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br]Y Subject: News Release: EMC Symmetrix Named World's Best Storage System For IBMiSeries SerRL Message-ID: <OFA90E9E8F.DA35AA62-ON03256A5D.003B41EB@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   > -----Original Message----- > From:   EMC Public Relations) > Sent:   Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:20 AMc > To:     EMC Public RelationsE > Subject:     News Release: EMC Symmetrix Named World's Best Storage   > System For IBM iSeries Servers > < > The following news release was issued by EMC this morning. >e >a* >              Contact:  Kenneth McDonnell >              508-293-7424e> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                  mcdonnell_ken@emc.com >m7 > EMC  SYMMETRIX  NAMED  WORLD'S  BEST  STORAGE  SYSTEM  > FOR  IBM  iSERIES  SERVERS >cD > Midrange Technology SHOWCASE Magazine Praises Exceptional Value of > Symmetrixo >gJ > HOPKINTON, Mass. - May 30, 2001- Readers of Midrange Technology SHOWCASEH > Magazine this month voted EMC Corporation's Symmetrix* 8000 EnterpriseJ > Storage* system the world's best storage system for use with IBM iSeriesA > (formerly AS/400) brand computers.  The magazine's 2001 Productt
 ExcellenceH > Award recognizes Symmetrix for its quality features, innovative design ande6 > exceptional value in iSeries computing environments.I >    In addition, EMC CopyPoint* software garnered finalist honors in theeJ > data replication category.  CopyPoint enables iSeries systems to provideF > virtually uninterrupted 24x7 production-level support while enablingK > backup protection with minimal disruption, enabling customers to leverage . > additional revenue-generating opportunities.@ >    These honors, the latest in a string of industry accolades,C > convincingly validate EMC's business value for IBM iSeries users.hK > "Many EMC customers run their mission- and business-critical applicationssK > on iSeries systems, and they deserve the same enterprise storage solutionOD > available to mainframe, UNIX and NT users," said Chuck Hollis, EMCE > Director of Product Marketing.  "To gain maximum ROI - or Return oncG > Information - EMC Symmetrix Enterprise Storage is the most compellingS" > choice for every host platform."I > EMC Symmetrix systems, software and services provide iSeries users with: anH > unparalleled combination of performance, scalability and availability.H > EMC Symmetrix-based software, including Symmetrix Remote Data FacilityC > (SRDF*)for remote data replication and disaster recovery, and EMCtD > TimeFinder* for local data mirroring, enable users to reduce risk, improveeC > revenue generation and harness the business value of information.CA >    Hollis added, "As customers continue to generate and consume J > ballooning volumes of information, EMC wins on the systems, software andA > network levels.  Then we trump the competition with world-class D > investments in interoperability testing; partnerships with leadingI > networking, database and applications suppliers; and seasoned expertiseEH > before, during and after the solution is implemented.  No other vendorD > delivers the value built into the EMC networked storage offering."H >  "When a company wins a Product Excellence Award, it shows that a veryI > critical audience has responded in a positive fashion to a product thath isG > needed and a service which that company delivers," said David Uptmor, I > publisher of Midrange Technology SHOWCASE.  "A Product Excellence Award 7 > says this company has made a lot of customers happy."rJ > In addition to the Midrange Technology SHOWCASE award, the recent string  > of awards won by EMC includes:@ > *  EMC's "Chameleon" line of information storage systems - EMCI > CLARiiON* IP4700 network-attached storage (NAS) and EMC CLARiiON FC4700 D > storage area network (SAN) systems - won the PC Magazine Award for > Innovation in Infrastructure.iG > *  EMC Symmetrix was honored with the Network Magazine Product of thed
 > Year Award.eG > *  Fast Company magazine, in its fourth annual "Best Practices of the H > Best Companies" Awards issue, called EMC Corporation "The World's Most > Customer-Centric Company." > G > EMC Corporation (NYSE:EMC) is the world leader in information storagedE > systems, software, networks and services, providing the information)H > infrastructure for a connected world. Information about EMC's products andu' > services can be found at www.EMC.com.h >yF > CLARiiON, EMC and Symmetrix are registered trademarks and CopyPoint,? > Enterprise Storage, SRDF and TimeFinder are trademarks of EMCl Corporation.8 > All other trademarks are the property of their owners. >t >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:31:08 +0100p  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com> Subject: Re: Oracle Export 8.1.7 much slower than 7.3.2 on VMSH Message-ID: <OF35C851B2.42CC9483-ON80256A5D.002DFB83@qedi.quintiles.com>  D I would agree that it's probably to get away from operating specificJ features in the Oracle porting process.  However, the idea that they'd useK unix-style caching seems to go against the advice that we _always_ get fromoH Oracle.  Whenever there's an issue they say "have you got caching turnedI on?".  When we say no, you told us to turn it off on the disk controllerssJ so we did they come back with "ah, that's one cache but we mean the one on! the mount command.  Is that on?".>  G Their "reason" (such as it is) is that other customers have had similarSG problems (no matter what the symptom is) and, when told to turn cachingsJ off, they haven't come back and escalated the problem so it must be fixed.H It's a bit like if I shut my eyes when I'm travelling the wrong way downI the freeway in my car then the 40 ton truck coming towards me won't smasho my car to bits.j  I My own belief is that they use $QIOs to write to disk and never check the0G status block to see if the write actually worked or else always use thelH same ASTs so they've no idea which write it was that completed.  TurningI off cache just slows things down enough to crawl along and only issue oned> write at a time so there's no confusion within their software.K But that's just a personal opinion and doesn't necessarily reflect the trueo state nor my company's opinion.D Steve.   Malcolm Dunnett wrote: >>>eD     My guess is that their goal is to make the VMS port just anotherI Unix port ( ie remove any VMS specific features which might have enhanceduG performance and just do it the same way they do on Unix ). That is goodrI in the sense that it should make the VMS ports available sooner, but it'se> unfortunate when it leads to serious performance degradations.  B     I suppose Oracles response might be that Compaq should fix theI operating system. As has been mentioned in other contexts in comp.os.vms,tF there are applications that run much faster on Unix than on VMS purelyF because they do inefficient things in terms of disk writes and rely onI Unix buffer caching to hid the performance penalties this would otherwiseyH introduce. If VMS offered a similar "write it whenever you get around toE it" model this wouldn't be an issue. I understand VMS 7.3 may addressdF this to some degree, but I don't have a copy yet so I can't test that. <<<d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:55:30 -0400,0 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca.spammenot>> Subject: Re: Oracle Export 8.1.7 much slower than 7.3.2 on VMS5 Message-ID: <%PsR6.151$Ln4.74869@weber.videotron.net>-  L I have a copy of a letter (at home) from Oracle where it says that when theyA do the ports they try their best to use the platform at its best.a Not anymore it seems.B4 If I don`t forget I`ll post it tomorrow (it`s short)   --   Syltreme; http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site)n> To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  K "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> a crit dans le message news:V! BTOlo8TcCSsJ@malvm5.mala.bc.ca...:9 > In article <VKbR6.9890$Sm6.680125@weber.videotron.net>,.7 >    "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca.spammenot> writes:C >OH > > As for myself, I know that since 8.1.6, you can't access a dump file throughsE > > Decnet anymore (using node"user pwd"::disk:[dir]file.dmp syntax). G > > I was told they do not use RMS anymore to translate file names, but8 instead-  > > they use some internal code. >MJ >    That would be consistant - it appears they no longer use RMS to write > the dump file. >:K > > In essence, they tried to reivent the wheel but it's not round anymore.l > >  >aF >     My guess is that their goal is to make the VMS port just anotherK > Unix port ( ie remove any VMS specific features which might have enhanced.I > performance and just do it the same way they do on Unix ). That is goodpK > in the sense that it should make the VMS ports available sooner, but it'sr@ > unfortunate when it leads to serious performance degradations. > D >     I suppose Oracles response might be that Compaq should fix theK > operating system. As has been mentioned in other contexts in comp.os.vms,nH > there are applications that run much faster on Unix than on VMS purelyH > because they do inefficient things in terms of disk writes and rely onK > Unix buffer caching to hid the performance penalties this would otherwise J > introduce. If VMS offered a similar "write it whenever you get around toG > it" model this wouldn't be an issue. I understand VMS 7.3 may address=H > this to some degree, but I don't have a copy yet so I can't test that. >b   ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 10:08:53 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> % Subject: Re: Rambus loses another oneHH Message-ID: <y41yp6kkiy.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  . Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:  F > One thing that has come out, is some of the licence details. SeveralG > of them have explicit term that there are no royalties if the patents. > are invalid. t  K I think that would be a standard clause in a license agreement - after all,eI the validity of the patent is a conditio sine qua non of such agreements.   J As I understand it, there seem to be clauses that say something similar toI "if you loose a suit based on these patents for royalty payment, we don'tt' have to pay either." That _is_ unusual.-  % > The other was the size, 3.x%, huge!   J For an enabling technology, that is within the usual range. Above about 5% would be considered huge.l   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:13:11 +0100 / From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>e% Subject: Re: Rambus loses another onee7 Message-ID: <009FCD4B.245DD121.16@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>d  H According to www.theregister.co.uk the royalties paid to Rambus were 3%.E This is apparently extremely high for the semiconductor industry(!),  > and if enforcible would make Rambus a vast amount of dosh, butD on the other hand if Rambus memory prices now drop 3% I doubt if endC users like use will notice (memory prices seem to have week-to-week ! volatility well in excess of 3%!)   G Rambus memory prices are higher than SDRAM for other reasons apart fromeK the royalty payment: RIMMs are a bit more expensive to make than DIMMS. ButlB using eight RIMM straws to fed an Alpha sounds like an appropriate? use of the technology: trying to parallel eight DIMMS would be  C horrendous from an EE perspective (bus width -> clock skew and chipn pin-out considerations).   	Yours, 
 		Nigel Arnoto- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                      7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."p >  > # > Right Answer : Yes, it should do.dJ > Real Answer : no it won't because the companies making the Rambus memoryG > will just stash the extra cash away rather than passing on their costh  > reductions to their customers. >  > Or am I just cynical?v > Steve. >  > Shane asked: > >>>-J > Since EV7 (or is it 8?) has integrated Rambus controllers, I wonder whatC > this means for Alpha? I know these disputed patents are for SDRAMnJ > technology, but Rambus does seem to be depending on these royalties, andH > the court cases aren't cheap. If Rambus go bust, does that mean RambusF > memory gets cheaper? After all, Rambus the company don't manufactureG > anything, they licence the technology to others to do that for a fee.  > <<<t >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:37:29 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com? Subject: Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression optionsdH Message-ID: <OF4830EC49.C54892DF-ON80256A5D.002EEA40@qedi.quintiles.com>  K I would expect that there are two reasons for the compression being done on A the file in order to make it a self extracting executable image :,! - to compress the data if it can;aE - to make it easily transportable via ftp and still retain all of the-4 checksum information that the original data set had.  F The compression has to be reliable and quick(-ish) for the Eco guys toK package up as well so that the patches get out in a reasonable time and thes@ customer has no problems with the kit once they've extracted it.  G Besides, from DCL (so there's no decimal places and I've rounded it up)DE 60329984 bytes is 117833 blocks which is an improvement on the 173856i blocks for the original kit.   Steve.   Simon Clubley wrote: >>>eE The latest version of the VMS721_UPDATE kit, as you can see below, isuE 60,329,984 bytes compressed and (according to the patch notification)i 173856 blocks uncompressed.b  6 -rw-r--r--   3 root     0        60329984 May 30 00:331 dec-axpvms-vms721_update-v0200--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexeu  H What do people think about using more modern self extracting compressionA tools for the patch kits if they are going to grow to this size ?u <<<c   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:07:06 +0100D2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk>? Subject: Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression options<. Message-ID: <3B1633EA.1265CB45@CCAgroup.co.uk>   David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > Simon Clubley wrote:L > > What do people think about using more modern self extracting compressionE > > tools for the patch kits if they are going to grow to this size ?- > I > You can expect ZIP to produce better compression, but only by about 30% E > of the DCXEXE size. The FTSV self-extract code is ponderous in sized! > compared to the UNZIPSFX stubs.g   I'm all for better compression.mG I haven't done a detailed study, but I'd have thought considerably moreiD than 30% was available: I routinely zip downloaded uncompressed kits? after use, if I want to keep them around, and observe very goodhF compression rates (50-70%), whereas a figure of 17% is commonplace for DCXEXE.t   Why self-extracting though ?0 The appropriate unzip tool is readily available.C Self-extracting is both an overhead, and a potential security risk.   
 Chris Sharmann   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:03:52 GMTgB From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>? Subject: Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression optionso6 Message-ID: <IqqR6.6783$rn5.317429@www.newsranger.com>  . On Thu, 31 May 2001 12:07:06 +0100, in article8 <3B1633EA.1265CB45@CCAgroup.co.uk>, Chris Sharman wrote: >i >Why self-extracting though ?t1 >The appropriate unzip tool is readily available.oD >Self-extracting is both an overhead, and a potential security risk. >a >Chris Sharman  F Consider the security and contract environment that many VMS sites run under.  G The unzip tools are not supplied as part of the supported part of a VMSoI installation. In order for patch kits to be supplied as a .ZIP instead ofo= a .EXE, unzipping facilities would have to be built into VMS.o  K An acceptable way of doing this (to me at least) would be to extend PCSI toSL include the ability to read a .ZIP file directly and then require that sitesJ upgrade to the new version of PCSI (which would be supplied in the form of6 a patch kit using the current DCX compression method).  G As regards the security risk of self extracting zips, I would hope thatiG VMS Engineering would conduct a code audit on the self extracting tool.oJ Assuming that this audit is done, you are then left with the same risks asL presently exist with DCX, namely that someone in VMS Engineering could alter  the extraction code for a patch.  K I do not see this as a major risk, and I am usually accused (correctly :-))M4 of been somewhat paranoid when it comes to security.   Simon.   -- c; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP K Worrying idea #101: What if Microsoft goes into the Ada compiler business ?M   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:38:54 -0500s1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ? Subject: Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression optionse' Message-ID: <3B16577E.F5AFB709@fsi.net>D   Chris Sharman wrote: >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: > >  > > Simon Clubley wrote:N > > > What do people think about using more modern self extracting compressionG > > > tools for the patch kits if they are going to grow to this size ?i > >xK > > You can expect ZIP to produce better compression, but only by about 30%eG > > of the DCXEXE size. The FTSV self-extract code is ponderous in sizer# > > compared to the UNZIPSFX stubs.  > ! > I'm all for better compression.eI > I haven't done a detailed study, but I'd have thought considerably more  > than 30% was available:   = That is, ZIP produces results only about 30% better than DCX.iD Significant, but on a 60MB+ download, that's not a lot of help for a
 dial-up user.I  . > I routinely zip downloaded uncompressed kitsA > after use, if I want to keep them around, and observe very good H > compression rates (50-70%), whereas a figure of 17% is commonplace for	 > DCXEXE.h >  > Why self-extracting though ?2 > The appropriate unzip tool is readily available.E > Self-extracting is both an overhead, and a potential security risk.t  F Yeah - I know. You get folks on both sides of that fence: the securityG conscious want source code ZIPped so they can build and verify that the F code is not tainted and the results are correct. Others want to not beF required to already have UNZIP (since it's on the freeware CD, but not1 part of the OVMS distro. - maybe it should be (in & [VMS$COMMON.UNSUPPORTED] or similar?).  + Dunno - you can't please everyone, I guess.M   -- t David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsm http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/:  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.i   ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 18:20:07 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>e? Subject: Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression optionsoH Message-ID: <y4pucpbidk.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  D Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> writes:  M > An acceptable way of doing this (to me at least) would be to extend PCSI touN > include the ability to read a .ZIP file directly and then require that sitesL > upgrade to the new version of PCSI (which would be supplied in the form of8 > a patch kit using the current DCX compression method).  F This would also make it easy to integrate authentication and integrityE checking with a patch kit. The basic CPQ-VMS certificate could/shouldt  be part of the VMS distribution.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:05:13 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com3 Subject: Re: TCP/IP based printing from VAX/VMS 6.2gH Message-ID: <OF2B95ADA8.F944E8FD-ON80256A5D.00371CE7@qedi.quintiles.com>  J I'd echo the sentiments to use the telnet symbiont (i.e. ucx$telnetsym) asG the processor on the queues if you have UCX (or Compaq TCP/IP Services)  installed on the system.- There are details on this in the FAQ (MGMT6).o Steve.   Hamlyn Mootoo responded :S >>>rF Do you know if you already possess licences for UCX? If so, this is orG course, the naturally cheapest route.  Assuming this, I would recommend H reverse telnet versus LPR as the telenet symbiont gives you more control( over the printing process than does LPR. <<<r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:33:00 GMTsB From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>? Subject: User sued by DEC, was: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations 6 Message-ID: <0SqR6.6820$rn5.318903@www.newsranger.com>  . On Wed, 30 May 2001 09:17:26 +0100, in article? <ssa9htc7nm3oeng7c96rl8647p6v7roqmd@4ax.com>, Alan Greig wrote:r >m2 >On Tue, 29 May 2001 18:06:39 +0100, Tim Llewellyn! ><tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:t >  >]M >>Terry, this is all very reasonable, and I am sure if you were CEO of CompaqrK >>and made this statement then I would consider it OK to proceed like this.tJ >>However, if serious about commercial development it would not be prudentP >>IMHO to violate licencing terms that might potentially affect any earnings oneK >>made for one's hard work (likke Compaq sueing the crap outta my bizness).u > G >And I well recall how my former boss, Arrick Wilkinson, a former DECUSoC >chairman was sued by DEC for publishing a third party DEC software D >guide. Verbally DEC said "OK". Then they sued him for a few million) >dollars while saying "nothing personal".   I When I see stories like this I always wonder if there is a bigger picture"E that is not been told. However, given that your posting history showsiH that you do _not_ make wild claims, I must assume that the above is 100%	 accurate.,  F In that case, I am appalled by this. What was DEC's official story forD carrying out the lawsuit and what happened to him in the end ? Also, when was this ?m   >Reading between the lines DECG >at the time did not want anyone promoting VMS software to new clients.u  J _This_ is the real concern. If they did this once, they could do it again.  I What would happen if (for example) a hobbyist, working purely from publichI materials, implemented some of the VMS environment on Linux, and ended upoJ exposing Unix people to the VMS way of doing things ? Would they be sued ?  I Before today, I would have said that the idea of a hobbyist been sued forcK this would be c.o.v everyone-hates-us paranoia at it's extreme. Now I'm notl so sure.  F >Disgusting, shameful behaviour on DEC's part and I personally did not- >attend a DECUS meeting for years afterwards.c   This I can understand.   >--e >Alanf   Simon.   -- d; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFPnK Worrying idea #101: What if Microsoft goes into the Ada compiler business ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:44:05 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>C Subject: Re: User sued by DEC, was: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations < Message-ID: <p0rR6.8681$QP6.5080388@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  I > >And I well recall how my former boss, Arrick Wilkinson, a former DECUS E > >chairman was sued by DEC for publishing a third party DEC softwareeF > >guide. Verbally DEC said "OK". Then they sued him for a few million+ > >dollars while saying "nothing personal".. >uK > When I see stories like this I always wonder if there is a bigger pictureyG > that is not been told. However, given that your posting history shows J > that you do _not_ make wild claims, I must assume that the above is 100% > accurate.c >R  H Arrick Wilkinson of DECUS UK fame? From back in the 80s? I can't for the6 life of me see anyone filing a lawsuit against Arrick!  L And to think that I regarded all lawyers as sharks. Guess I had at least one7 of them a few links too high on the evolutionary scale.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:04:38 -0500y* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>C Subject: RE: User sued by DEC, was: Re: Affordable VMS Workstationsn- Message-ID: <0033000025815700000002L002*@MHS>e  ; =0A...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman,J< who had quitted a company where [Samuel] Johnson was, and no: information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that  9 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back,8/ but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.    WWWebb     > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETu& > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 8:55 AMF > To: Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETE > Subject: RE: User sued by DEC, was: Re: Affordable VMS Workstationsl >  > > > > >And I well recall how my former boss, Arrick Wilkinson, a > former DECUSH > > >chairman was sued by DEC for publishing a third party DEC software=  H > > >guide. Verbally DEC said "OK". Then they sued him for a few millio= ne- > > >dollars while saying "nothing personal".h > > > > > When I see stories like this I always wonder if there is a > bigger picture; > > that is not been told. However, given that your postingp > history showsa> > > that you do _not_ make wild claims, I must assume that the > above is 100% 
 > > accurate.t > >s >s< > Arrick Wilkinson of DECUS UK fame? From back in the 80s? I > can't for thea8 > life of me see anyone filing a lawsuit against Arrick! >d= > And to think that I regarded all lawyers as sharks. Guess Ix > had at least one9 > of them a few links too high on the evolutionary scale.d >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:22:44 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> C Subject: Re: User sued by DEC, was: Re: Affordable VMS Workstationsy8 Message-ID: <bqichtkvnu5s4ov8jejfaio0fqtb7b9roj@4ax.com>  / On Thu, 31 May 2001 12:33:00 GMT, Simon Clubley 5 <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> wrote:u  / >On Wed, 30 May 2001 09:17:26 +0100, in articles  J >When I see stories like this I always wonder if there is a bigger pictureF >that is not been told. However, given that your posting history showsI >that you do _not_ make wild claims, I must assume that the above is 100%a
 >accurate.  E Yes, there's always two sides and I can't add much more but from what  I think I know.   * [ Do not take any of this as "definitive"]  C Arrick Wilkinson was, amongst other things, a director of a companyIC specializing in publicizing third party VMS applications in Europe.oF There was a printed catalogue and the occasional roadshow. From what IF understand DEC initially said they had no problems with this but afterB a show in Germany a legal cease and desist letter arrived claimingE breach of trademark etc. etc and demanding punitive damages. This was-B back around 1990 - about the time DEC started to downplay VMS. The publication closed.s  E Arrick Wilkinson was extremely well known in UK DECUS circles at thisgA time and later was chairman of the British Computer Society (BCS)wB awards committee. His day job was Director of Computer Services atB Dundee Institute of Technology (now University of Abertay Dundee).   >fG >In that case, I am appalled by this. What was DEC's official story forfE >carrying out the lawsuit and what happened to him in the end ? Also,o >when was this ?  @ DEC;'s official line as far as I heard was: "Sorry but our legalF people insist". Trademark violations was the official reason I believeE but according to Arrick they just didn't want it to be. Arrick becameSB more and moe disillusioned with DEC and later computing in generalF (Abertay became an impossible place to work as librarians who couldn;tE even switch on a PC were given control of IT in the so-called merger) E and eventually left computing completely. He is now a minister in theKE Church of Scotland I believe. He was once a good friend as well as mywD boss but I haven't seen him for years now. A search on northernlightC finds hits for him under Church of Scotland and the following from  : http://www.bcs.org.uk/publicat/ebull/sept96/ANNREP/man.htm  > "A Distinguished Fellowship was bestowed on Tim Berners-Lee inE recognition of his pioneering work on the Web and Honorary Fellowship E on Dennis Blackwell and Arrick Wilkinson. The membership total on theA' Register for the year-end was 33,805. "o  . That marked Arrick's departure from computing.    J >What would happen if (for example) a hobbyist, working purely from publicJ >materials, implemented some of the VMS environment on Linux, and ended upK >exposing Unix people to the VMS way of doing things ? Would they be sued ?o  < That's the point many have made here. They can't use the newB educational licenses or hobby license or do anything else based on: verbal OKs because lawyers can always bite you in the end.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:41:05 +0100e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> C Subject: Re: User sued by DEC, was: Re: Affordable VMS Workstationsm8 Message-ID: <7ilchtg92ahgvkkebibko0np5elmq1nhp4@4ax.com>  4 On Thu, 31 May 2001 12:44:05 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:     >cI >Arrick Wilkinson of DECUS UK fame? From back in the 80s? I can't for theb7 >life of me see anyone filing a lawsuit against Arrick!p  F The very same. Without going into too much detail I don't think ArrickF imagined for a moment he would be on the end of a law suit. He was not; happy in any sense of the word. If you ever wondered why heDB disappeared first from DECUS then computing in general I would say this was the start.o   >aM >And to think that I regarded all lawyers as sharks. Guess I had at least one18 >of them a few links too high on the evolutionary scale. >r   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 18:31:25 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>_C Subject: Re: User sued by DEC, was: Re: Affordable VMS WorkstationsmH Message-ID: <y4n17tbhuq.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ' Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:-  > > That's the point many have made here. They can't use the newD > educational licenses or hobby license or do anything else based on< > verbal OKs because lawyers can always bite you in the end.  G If he had chosen Germany as the legal venue, his case would likely beeniI much stronger. Here, a verbal bargain has the same legal standing betweenxI non-consumers as a written bargain, and given the history as you describew) it, it seems unlikely DEC could have won.t   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 02:44:11 -0700+ From: allan_j_gray@yahoo.com (Allan J Gray)d) Subject: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :( < Message-ID: <38bc203c.0105310144.647eb00@posting.google.com>   Hi All,v  B  Heres my situation : - My company has just taken over the supportE contract for a piece of software which runs on various platforms, one C them being VMS. The company which gave us the contract also gave uso the hardware to support it.E   Hardware is :-  C 1. A 'Digital DEC 3000' running 'OpenVMS AXP (TM) Operating System,e@ Version V6.1' which i have managed to connect to our IP EthernetE network and configure so that we can telnet to the machine from a PC.a   Current Values are : -   IP Address   : 193.1.1.15y Broadcast    : 193.1.1.255 Subnet Mask  : 255.255.255.0 Machine Name : TURNIPp  F 2. A 'Digital VAXstation 3100' running 'VAX/VMS 5.4' which I have beenF told cannot be connected directly to an IP network but must go via the> 'DEC 3000' box using something called DECnet to allow it to beF telnetted to via an IP network. This machine also has a VT510 terminal? connected to it which must be used to boot the 'VAXstation' up.r  E This setup was previously working before at the other company but nowSD that I have changed the IP setup on box number 1 box number I get anF error which pops up now and again on box number 2. Please can somebodyF help me to configure box number 2 with the IP address of 193.1.1.16 so> that I can telnet to it from a PC? The error which has started* appearing on box number 2 is as follows: -  B %%%%%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM   31-MAY-2001 10:33:24.01 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Message from user DECNET DECnet event 4.10, circuit upl' From node 1.1, 31-MAY-2001 :10:34.36.02 
 Circuit SVA-0p  B %%%%%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM   31-MAY-2001 10:33:24.01 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Message from user DECNET. DECnet event 4.10, circuit down, circuit fault' From node 1.1, 31-MAY-2001 :10:34.36.02s( Circuit SVA-0, Line synchronization lost  F Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please bear in mind that I knowD hardly anything about VMS, I only wish I had found this group when I6 was trying to find out how to change bloody directory.  - PS: the machine name for box number 2 is NEEPo   Regards.  
 Allan J Gray.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 06:52:51 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - Subject: Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :(-< Message-ID: <howard-6491D4.06525131052001@enews.newsguy.com>  < In article <38bc203c.0105310144.647eb00@posting.google.com>,-  allan_j_gray@yahoo.com (Allan J Gray) wrote:g  D >  Heres my situation : - My company has just taken over the supportG > contract for a piece of software which runs on various platforms, onetE > them being VMS. The company which gave us the contract also gave uso > the hardware to support it.i >  > Hardware is :- > E > 1. A 'Digital DEC 3000' running 'OpenVMS AXP (TM) Operating System,bB > Version V6.1' which i have managed to connect to our IP EthernetG > network and configure so that we can telnet to the machine from a PC.o >  > Current Values are : - >  > IP Address   : 193.1.1.15I > Broadcast    : 193.1.1.255 > Subnet Mask  : 255.255.255.0 > Machine Name : TURNIP   H Cool.  Make sure you're running any Y2K patches necessary.  I'd suggest I contacting Compaq and setting up a software support contract at the very nO least.  That way you'll get definitive answers in a more timely fashion than a  P newsgroup can yield.  IIRC, OpenVMS 6.1 is not a recommended version for this.  4 Versions 5.5-2 (for NEEP) and 6.2 (for TURNIP), are.    H > 2. A 'Digital VAXstation 3100' running 'VAX/VMS 5.4' which I have beenH > told cannot be connected directly to an IP network but must go via the@ > 'DEC 3000' box using something called DECnet to allow it to beH > telnetted to via an IP network. This machine also has a VT510 terminalA > connected to it which must be used to boot the 'VAXstation' up.d > G > This setup was previously working before at the other company but now.F > that I have changed the IP setup on box number 1 box number I get anH > error which pops up now and again on box number 2. Please can somebodyH > help me to configure box number 2 with the IP address of 193.1.1.16 so@ > that I can telnet to it from a PC? The error which has started, > appearing on box number 2 is as follows: -  K NEEP is in a situation which I'd define as 'bad'.  It's running an ancient  M version of VMS (circa 1991) which is not Y2K compliant.  If it's running any oL TCP/IP stack at all, which I'd assume it's not since you were told it can't I be, the stack has got to be ancient.  Back then, DEC hadn't gotten their sG TCP/IP product (UCX) right yet, so there were others doing it, such as tG Wollongong, Process Software, and a third I don't recall at the moment.o    D > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM   31-MAY-2001 10:33:24.01 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user DECNET > DECnet event 4.10, circuit upt) > From node 1.1, 31-MAY-2001 :10:34.36.02I > Circuit SVA-0h > D > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM   31-MAY-2001 10:33:24.01 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user DECNET0 > DECnet event 4.10, circuit down, circuit fault) > From node 1.1, 31-MAY-2001 :10:34.36.02e* > Circuit SVA-0, Line synchronization lost  H These two errors you quote are broadcast messages (think "wall", but to N special terminals like the operator's console) saying that the DECnet circuit O is in trouble (first it comes up, then it falls down).  It sounds like there's vL no ethernet connected from this box to a hub, such as a DELNI or whatever.  O IIRC, that box has an AUI connector on the back and a thin wire connector.  If cL you can't deal with those directly, buy appropriate converters to make them  into 10B-T.q  O To learn about VMS, use the HELP command.  To learn about operator messages in  / particular, look at the REPLY command, like so:    $ HELP REPLY -- n Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------   Date: 31 May 2001 10:46:15 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)n- Subject: Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :(c0 Message-ID: <9f57dn$j2l$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  j In article <38bc203c.0105310144.647eb00@posting.google.com>, allan_j_gray@yahoo.com (Allan J Gray) writes:C > Heres my situation : - My company has just taken over the supportnF >contract for a piece of software which runs on various platforms, oneD >them being VMS. The company which gave us the contract also gave us >the hardware to support it. >  >Hardware is :-a >0D >1. A 'Digital DEC 3000' running 'OpenVMS AXP (TM) Operating System,A >Version V6.1' which i have managed to connect to our IP EthernetwF >network and configure so that we can telnet to the machine from a PC. >o >Current Values are : -o >e >IP Address   : 193.1.1.15 >Broadcast    : 193.1.1.255e >Subnet Mask  : 255.255.255.0e >Machine Name : TURNIP >nG >2. A 'Digital VAXstation 3100' running 'VAX/VMS 5.4' which I have beensG >told cannot be connected directly to an IP network but must go via theb? >'DEC 3000' box using something called DECnet to allow it to be G >telnetted to via an IP network. This machine also has a VT510 terminal"@ >connected to it which must be used to boot the 'VAXstation' up. >gF >This setup was previously working before at the other company but nowE >that I have changed the IP setup on box number 1 box number I get antG >error which pops up now and again on box number 2. Please can somebodytG >help me to configure box number 2 with the IP address of 193.1.1.16 soa? >that I can telnet to it from a PC? The error which has started + >appearing on box number 2 is as follows: -t > C >%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM   31-MAY-2001 10:33:24.01 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%e >Message from user DECNETn >DECnet event 4.10, circuit up( >From node 1.1, 31-MAY-2001 :10:34.36.02 >Circuit SVA-0 > C >%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM   31-MAY-2001 10:33:24.01 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%b >Message from user DECNETd/ >DECnet event 4.10, circuit down, circuit faultu( >From node 1.1, 31-MAY-2001 :10:34.36.02) >Circuit SVA-0, Line synchronization losto >tG >Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please bear in mind that I knowwE >hardly anything about VMS, I only wish I had found this group when I 7 >was trying to find out how to change bloody directory.  > . >PS: the machine name for box number 2 is NEEP  4 You should tell us which TCP/IP stack you are using.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannb  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:31:59 -0400r% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>C- Subject: Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :(n/ Message-ID: <thclek4h7est10@news.supernews.com>u  L It sounds like the VAX (NEEP) isn't running TCP/IP.  It's running DECnet butI it seems to be having a hardware problem.  Check the Ethernet cables etc. H Also, the 3100 has a small switch on the back that selects thick wire orJ thin wire.  The switch is a small square hole between the thick wire DB-15? connector and the BNC connector.  The switch pushes in and out.A  I Once you get the hardware problem squared away, telnet to TURNIP and thenl) enter "SET HOST NEEP" to connect to NEEP.h  I DECnet is very nice, you can basically add NODENAME:: to the beginning of J any file specification.  If you don't have proxy access to the remote node< you have to add NODENAME"username password"::.  For example:   $ DIR NEEP::MYDISK:[AGRAY]5 $ TYPE NEEP"AGRAY SECRET"::MYDISK:[AGRAY]FILENAME.TXTo  K Also, you can pretty much ignore the Y2K warnings about VMS.  V5.4 and V6.1nH may not be Y2K perfect but you'll have a hard time finding the problems.  8 "Allan J Gray" <allan_j_gray@yahoo.com> wrote in message6 news:38bc203c.0105310144.647eb00@posting.google.com...	 > Hi All,i >aD >  Heres my situation : - My company has just taken over the supportG > contract for a piece of software which runs on various platforms, one;E > them being VMS. The company which gave us the contract also gave uss > the hardware to support it.n >  > Hardware is :- >lE > 1. A 'Digital DEC 3000' running 'OpenVMS AXP (TM) Operating System,cB > Version V6.1' which i have managed to connect to our IP EthernetG > network and configure so that we can telnet to the machine from a PC.= >e > Current Values are : - >n > IP Address   : 193.1.1.15  > Broadcast    : 193.1.1.255 > Subnet Mask  : 255.255.255.0 > Machine Name : TURNIPi >oH > 2. A 'Digital VAXstation 3100' running 'VAX/VMS 5.4' which I have beenH > told cannot be connected directly to an IP network but must go via the@ > 'DEC 3000' box using something called DECnet to allow it to beH > telnetted to via an IP network. This machine also has a VT510 terminalA > connected to it which must be used to boot the 'VAXstation' up.e >aG > This setup was previously working before at the other company but now F > that I have changed the IP setup on box number 1 box number I get anH > error which pops up now and again on box number 2. Please can somebodyH > help me to configure box number 2 with the IP address of 193.1.1.16 so@ > that I can telnet to it from a PC? The error which has started, > appearing on box number 2 is as follows: - >uD > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM   31-MAY-2001 10:33:24.01 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user DECNET > DECnet event 4.10, circuit up ) > From node 1.1, 31-MAY-2001 :10:34.36.02  > Circuit SVA-0  >dD > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM   31-MAY-2001 10:33:24.01 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user DECNET0 > DECnet event 4.10, circuit down, circuit fault) > From node 1.1, 31-MAY-2001 :10:34.36.02m* > Circuit SVA-0, Line synchronization lost >tH > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please bear in mind that I knowF > hardly anything about VMS, I only wish I had found this group when I8 > was trying to find out how to change bloody directory. > / > PS: the machine name for box number 2 is NEEPa >D
 > Regards. >i > Allan J Gray.b   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:06:24 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>d- Subject: Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :(n' Message-ID: <3B165DF0.1D3A3340@fsi.net>w   Allan J Gray wrote:t > 	 > Hi All,  > D >  Heres my situation : - My company has just taken over the supportG > contract for a piece of software which runs on various platforms, onecE > them being VMS. The company which gave us the contract also gave usi > the hardware to support it.i   O.k. Relax, deep breath... Now:h  B At the DCL (command) prompt, type HELP (similar to "man", but more7 user-friendly). See HELP HELP to learn how to use HELP.n    > [snip]D > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM   31-MAY-2001 10:33:24.01 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user DECNET > DECnet event 4.10, circuit upf) > From node 1.1, 31-MAY-2001 :10:34.36.02r > Circuit SVA-0n > D > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM   31-MAY-2001 10:33:24.01 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user DECNET0 > DECnet event 4.10, circuit down, circuit fault) > From node 1.1, 31-MAY-2001 :10:34.36.02e* > Circuit SVA-0, Line synchronization lost  @ This typically indicates some type of Ethernet hardware problem.  E Check whether your Alpha (DEC) 3000 has both an AUI port (DB15) and a G UTP (10BaseT) jack. If so, there is probably a switch to select betweengD them - it's not automatic. Make sure this is in the proper position.  F If all of your connections and interface selects are correct, then you@ may need to examine the ethernet segment to which the "box 2" isH connected. Start at the box, and work your way toward the network. Check transceivers, cables, etc.  / The following command may provide some insight:a    $ MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN LINES COUNT  E Check the counters displayed and see if there's any cluses as to whate+ kind of Ethernet problems may be occurring.t  H > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please bear in mind that I knowF > hardly anything about VMS, I only wish I had found this group when I8 > was trying to find out how to change bloody directory.  D I'm sure you found the SET DEFAULT command. Note that a VMS "current; working directory" has two parts: a device name and a path..  F The following URL may be of some help with VMS file specifications and
 other issues:   3 http://www.djesys.com/vms/freevms/index.html#mentore   Hope this helps...   -- d David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systems7 http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:30:34 +0300 0 From: "Teijo Forsell" <teijo.forsell@compaq.com>- Subject: Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :( 2 Message-ID: <pevR6.888$fi2.24402@news.cpqcorp.net>  G > This setup was previously working before at the other company but nowsF > that I have changed the IP setup on box number 1 box number I get an4 > error which pops up now and again on box number 2.  J You already had many answers in the newsgroup, but in addition I only wantK to emphasize that changing the IP address has nothing to do with the errorsyL You are seeing (at least *most* likely so), so keep checking the cabling and connectors etc.r     Regards, Teijoe   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:13:51 +0100o  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: Re: VMS MusingsH Message-ID: <OFAD58554C.30CC0AC0-ON80256A5D.002CFD49@qedi.quintiles.com>  A That's great news Terry.  Best wishes to Mark with his duties and, activities at the top of VMS.l   Steve.   Terry Shannon wrote: >>>sI I paid a visit to Spit Brook today and had a meeting with the new OpenVMSl+ boss, Mark Gorham. I came away feeling very-3 good about OpenVMS and Compaq's commitment thereto.- <trim> <<<l   ------------------------------   Date: 31 May 2001 16:38:10 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)0- Subject: Voice-Modem under VMS: Any Feedback?i0 Message-ID: <9f5s1i$r3k$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   Hi,o  M some weeks ago I put my software to use a voice modem under VMS on our serverVG for download. Some people did download it but I never got any feedback. J Thus, to those of you who already tried it: did it work? What problems did you encounter?+ For those of you who want to give it a try:d7    http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/groups/gartmann/phone.zipt? Tested on an "Elsa MicroLink 56k" connected to a DECserver 700.e   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:19:12 +0200e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> ) Subject: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.s) Message-ID: <3B1644D0.62B8768C@gtech.com>m   Robert Alan Byer wrote:fI > > Anyone know if anyone has ported GNU GCL to OpenVMS or any other LISPt > > type software.  G > I was looking for a LISP system myself a whort while back and most of0 > the publicA > systems that people pointed to were either outdated and wouln'tr > compile/link; > on an Alpha or just couln't be found anymore for OpenVMS.O > I > I've started a port of GNU GCL, but so far I haven't gotten far and I'mtJ > not sure how far I'll get and would apprecate ANY help anyone might want > to give :}  F Question: as far as I know, then GNU Emacs uses Lisp, and GNU Emacs isE ported to VMS, will that not imply that GNU Lisp is already ported toi VMS ?d  - (just asking - I am not an Emacs/Lisp expert)h   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 12:01:41 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)-2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?* Message-ID: <9f5pt5$702$1@lisa.gemair.com>  ' In article <3B14F209.C0A7D90C@fsi.net>,r0 David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: >Simon Clubley wrote:  >> tN >> On Tue, 29 May 2001 14:15:11 -0500, in article <3B13F53F.4C55D9C9@fsi.net>, >> David J. Dachtera wrote:H >> >K >> >Yes, certain benefits have been gained by playing ball with the RedmomdpH >> >bullies. Of late, however, their monopolistic tactics have become soJ >> >intolerable that even the Justice Department has seen fit to intervene) >> >(much too little and years too late).' >> > >>  / >> What is the current Microsoft v DOJ status ?b >> eO >> I'm British and live in the UK, so I don't really know which way the currentfN >> US administration is likely to go with this. I do know that prior to the USI >> election, the feeling in this newsgroup was that a Bush administrationnF >> would be less likely to continue with the action against Microsoft. >rB >Experience with the "Dubbya" admin. tends to bear out the group'sE >initial take on the matter. He's a corporate lackey - period, end oft >statement.e >   C I try to avoid political discussions in this forum.  I don't think . people come here for this.  B I can't let this stand unchallenged, however, because Mr. DachteraC seems to have appointed himself spokesman for the group and deigns M+ to give out our initial take on the matter.n  B Insofar as George W. Bush may or may not be beholding to corporateA interests, I don't feel that the reality is fairly represented bya putting a period there.  e  A First of all, in comparison, Bill Clinton was the best friend theoC huge transnational corporations ever had.  Witness the unbelievableo8 mergers that occurred during the Clinton administration.  ; 	- The largest 3 petrochemical mergers of all time occurredo; 	  during the Clinton administration: Exxon/Mobil, BP/Amocoe: 	  and Shell/Texaco (refining & marketing US).  If the oil> 	  companies are gouging, it was only made possible by runaway 	  consolidation.r  ; 	- The largest automotive merger Daimler/Chrysler happened w< 	  in 1998.  The Daimer CEO represented this to Americans as9 	  'a marriage of equals' back before it happened, now hen9 	  says that this wasn't a serious statement...  Ford ands< 	  GM have been buying up lots of International auto makers, 	  too.k  > 	- The largest banking/insurance merger of all time, Citibank/= 	  Travelers sailed through even though it was illegal at theo> 	  time the merger occurred (!)  Citibank/Travelers merged and> 	  got those pesky banking laws that didn't allow banks to own? 	  Insurance companies changed after the fact.  While it's truem> 	  that Congress is to blame for changing the law, the Clinton? 	  administration had the responsibility to execute the current @ 	  law and not just look the other way while this was happening.  D 	- The largest 3 media mergers (Viacom/CBS, Disney/ABC/Cap, AOL/TW).@ 	  Wonder why you don't know that Clinton was big bidness's best? 	  buddy?  The MEDIA didn't report it after all... coincidence?o< 	  (Considerable consolidation also occurred in Newspapers, > 	  Radio properties, regional television, but these were small# 	  potatoes compared to the above.)i  E Now, as for Mr. Bush.  The only Bush agenda item that's looks certain G so far is a tax cut that will benefit the poorest tax payers first, andtF the poorest tax payers get by far the greatest percentage benefit.  NoG corporate or capital gains taxes have yet been proposed by Bush, which sF would really benefit his corporate masters, were he the lackey you say he is.  H Of course, Mr. Bush maybe listening to some corporate interests, I don'tF deny it.  It's only the John McCain's of the world who seem to believeJ that everyone should have free speech, unless you have lots of money, then you should be silenced.r  M >> Is this likely to still be the case or has the DOJ viewpoint not changed ?c >0F >The DOJ tends to be strongly influenced by the feelings of the gov't.	 >leaders.  > G >> BTW, is there a general move in the US to all things Microsoft or docI >> people still regard VMS/Unix/whatever as the correct tools for the job & >> when it comes to critical systems ? > H >With the release of the news that even the U.S. military is buying intoG >Redmond's bulls--t, the perception that Micro$hit is all things to allnF >{sheep,lemmings,whatever-works-for-you} is likely to be proliferated. >n+ >> Here in the UK, we have to deal with ther
 >> following:C >> t4 >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19239.html >aE >This is yet another example of Redmond's bully tactics: lock out theUH >competition, rather than ensuring the greatest possible user base. TheyG >may have achieved their greedy goals in the UK - so be it. My feeling, C >however, is that other such entities will be inclined to learn theoI >lessons of this debacle (no guarantees, naturally) and ban M$ from theiraE >gov't "portal"s for such counter-competitive, monopolistic nonsense.g >TC >Here's a bit of "innovation" I'll bet you'll never see come out of I >Redmond: play nice with the rest of the world, instead of trying to ruler >it. >p >--  >David J. Dachtera >dba DJE Systems >http://www.djesys.com/t >o; >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:t  >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > G >This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings  >is to be expected.C > A >Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.C >nG >However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are2 >strongly discouraged.   -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com1   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.300 ************************