1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 02 Nov 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 609       Contents:2 Re: ??== f$mode() = NETWORK always FTP connection.- Re: Access Violation in Global Section memory  Re: Alpha 2100s for free, Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS, Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS, Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS, Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS, Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS, Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS" Re: Blockbuster uses Alpha systems" Re: Blockbuster uses Alpha systems" Re: Blockbuster uses Alpha systems" Re: Blockbuster uses Alpha systems Re: Compaq Ada for VMS Re: Compaq goes back to school8 Re: DEC Alpha VMS question X/Motif - how to turn it off?8 Re: DEC Alpha VMS question X/Motif - how to turn it off?8 Re: DEC Alpha VMS question X/Motif - how to turn it off?8 Re: DEC Alpha VMS question X/Motif - how to turn it off?! Re: DHCP client software for VMS? ! Re: DHCP client software for VMS? ! Re: DHCP client software for VMS? ! Re: DHCP client software for VMS? ! Re: DHCP client software for VMS? ! Re: DHCP client software for VMS? ! Re: DHCP client software for VMS? ! Re: DHCP client software for VMS? ! Re: DHCP client software for VMS? ! Re: DHCP client software for VMS? ! Re: DHCP client software for VMS? ! Re: DHCP client software for VMS?  employment opportunity FWD: Pathworks32) Re: Global Sections for IPC - performance  Re: host-based shadow question> Re: how to right-justify a string within a DCL f$fao directive# Re: Installing CC060 on VMS VAX 6.1 2 Keyboard problems with VMS 7.2 on AlphaStation 200& Re: Mixed language programming and RMS Re: news servers Re: OT - HP's MPE-IX Re: OT - HP's MPE-IX Re: OT - HP's MPE-IX Re: PCL Printer control codes  Re: PCL Printer control codes  POTREBNI PROGRAMERI ! Re: savesets,  CDs and attributes  Re: SET TERM/INQ& Re: Source for DE500-BA Ethernet Cards& Re: Source for DE500-BA Ethernet Cards% Re: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM & TCP/IP 5.1 ECO and reported file size. tcpip 5.1 needed Re: Undo disk Initialize  Re: VMS at Intel on The Inquirer  Re: VMS at Intel on The Inquirer  Re: VMS at Intel on The Inquirer  Re: VMS at Intel on The Inquirer  Re: VMS at Intel on The Inquirer  Re: VMS at Intel on The Inquirer  Re: VMS at Intel on The Inquirer  Re: VMS at Intel on The Inquirer Re: vms mail questions Re: vms mail questions Re: vms mail questions Re: vms mail questions Re: vms mail questions Re: vms mail questions Re: vms mail questions RE: VT520 Setup $ Re: Web Browser for OpenVMS 1.5-1H1?& Re: X.25 profile documentation wanted.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2001 14:05:38 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: ??== f$mode() = NETWORK always FTP connection. 3 Message-ID: <W16hNmOmuVl8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <00A04657.C047A6AE@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:w > In article <aus-F13C83.17201401112001@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>, Hans Magnus Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes:  >>Brian, >> >>Does  # >>$ MCR AUTHORIZE MODIFY */NOREMOTE 3 >>allow local PC and Mac Telnet client connections?  > O > If the connection is via TELNET, it's considered remote and these connections  > will be excluded.   > At one time Multinet had a control to specify what Login class applied to Telnet sessions.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:23:08 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)6 Subject: Re: Access Violation in Global Section memory3 Message-ID: <MaiE7.1220$RL6.23839@news.cpqcorp.net>   \ In article <3be15f1a.22510238@news.force9.net>, mark@*NO*SPAM*.co.uk (Mark Williams) writes:  G :We are experiencing a weird problem in that we get sometimes an access . :violation for an address in a global section.< :%SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=04, virtual; :address=000000000056C000, PC=000000000003BB00, PS=0000001B   B   Please debug the ACCVIO frame.  What is the code at 3BB00 doing?  D   Please consider implementing a signal handler that logs additionalE   information -- create and incorporate integrated debugging support.   D :Any ideas? (This problem only seems to happen on a fast machine and# :does not occur on our test system.   H   Please also see Ask The Wizard topics (1661), (2681), (4647), (6099),    and (6984), among others.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2001 19:41:20 GMT 1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) ! Subject: Re: Alpha 2100s for free , Message-ID: <9rs8h0$1kqn$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  @ In article <20011101154746.91357.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>,1  Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes: ' |> Donate both of them to a University.  |>  ' I'll even volunteer my University.  :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:51:17 -0500) From: "Mike Foley" <mikiefoley@yahoo.com> 5 Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS / Message-ID: <tu3kb66da6o5f9@corp.supernews.com>   =     Alpha was not designed for power-saving in mind.Could one :     design a low-powered Alpha? Probably. Would anyone buy9     them? Probably not. I suspect you'd have to make some ;     architectural changes to accomodate more granular power F     saving modes. I think it's either on or off right now, which isn't     very efficient.   B     Note that Alpha's always have tended to push the boundaries of?     whatever process they were built on. You don't see too many <     600MHz Pentiums on a .35 process, like the original EV6.  C     EV68's, on a .18 process (and even that's a comprimise, I think ?     it's a .18 transistors on .25 metal so some such) use power =     comprimal to Athlons. EV68's are in the 35-50 watt range.   A     Where x86 and PowerPC get their power saving from is from the C     different roles that Alpha is not a part of. Laptop designs and      embedded solutions.   I     Like I said, it's not that you can't, it's that who would pay for it? /     Do you really need a sleep mode on a GS160?      mikeK                                                          Formerly DEC, then  Compaq, then APIF                                                          now a student  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3BE0F3CD.1F6C7B79@videotron.ca... > K > Does Alpha draw too much power because they never bothered optimizing its E > power consumption, or does it draw too much power because the alpha . > architecture really requires so much power ? > I > When they built the hardened versions of the PowerPc etc, did they also H > optimize the chip to consume less power, or is the PwerPC architecture+ > inherently less of a power hungry beast ?  > K > Or did they use an off-the-shelf PowerPC silicon wafer and embedded it in  a I > hardened chip instead of the standard plastic chip ? (eg: off-the-shelf  Power ' > PC had reasonable power consumption).  >  > G > In other words, had Digital wanted to, could it have built a hardened  version 2 > of Alpha that had reasonable power consumption ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 23:49:27 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)5 Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS 3 Message-ID: <bclE7.1229$RL6.25912@news.cpqcorp.net>   \ In article <3BE0F3CD.1F6C7B79@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: :Bob Koehler wrote: C :>    RAD hardened R3000, PowerPC, 386, and 486 are not uncommon in F :>    satellites.  Alphas simply draw too much power to be considered. : J :Does Alpha draw too much power because they never bothered optimizing itsD :power consumption, or does it draw too much power because the alpha- :architecture really requires so much power ?  ..G :In other words, had Digital wanted to, could it have built a hardened  9 :version of Alpha that had reasonable power consumption ?   H   That's an interesting theoretical question.  The interesting practicalF   question involves building the widget *and* producing an acceptable J   return from the effort.  With enough money to spend, a very low wattage L   Alpha chip is probably theoretically possible, but would the cost and the M   performance be acceptable, and would there be sufficient market acceptance? J   (I do not have a Master of Business Administration degree.  Really.  :-)  H   The DECchip 21068 was designed to provide an Alpha microprocessor for J   low-power and embedded configurations and applications, was was derived F   from the DECchip 21066.  The 21066 was itself intended for low-cost H   implementations, with an integrated PCI, memory controller, graphics, G   etc.  Both of these designs were derived from the DECchip 21064 (EV4) E   microprocessor.  Producing these and most any other microprocessor  6   designs is undoubtedly a very expensive proposition.  L   Approximate power draw for the microprocessors: DECchip 21068, 8.5 watts; H   DECchip 21066, 21 watts; DECchip 21064, 30 watts.  All of these chips    operate at 3.3V.  G   DIGITAL was also producing the StrongARM chips.  IIRC, the StrongARM  G   microprocessor power draw is significantly below a watt.  (Somewhere     under a quarter-watt, IIRC.)  D   Given that the draw of even the DECchip 21068 is very high for an G   embedded or a battery-portable application and given the (far lower)  D   wattage of the StrongARM, the StrongARM design then became a very 7   obvious platform choice for low-power applications.     E   Accordingly, DIGITAL Semiconductor produced the Alpha DECchip chips G   for the upper end of the market and produced the StrongARM chips for     the lower end.    6   Intel now has the former DIGITAL StrongARM business.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 23:43:34 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>5 Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS 9 Message-ID: <G6lE7.418$MI.186769@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   4 "Mike Foley" <mikiefoley@yahoo.com> wrote in message) news:tu3kb66da6o5f9@corp.supernews.com...  > ? >     Alpha was not designed for power-saving in mind.Could one < >     design a low-powered Alpha? Probably. Would anyone buy; >     them? Probably not. I suspect you'd have to make some = >     architectural changes to accomodate more granular power H >     saving modes. I think it's either on or off right now, which isn't >     very efficient.  >   J Recall that DEC *did* have an Ultra-Low Cost Alpha (21068) on the roadmap,F but this variant never saw the light of day. Its power consumption wasJ somewhere around 25W IIRC. The Alpha design in no was amenable to embeddedE apps a la StrongARM; that's why DEC cut the deal with ARM back in the 	 mid-90's.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2001 18:23:25 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS 3 Message-ID: <nqp2+uLcPJEh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <bclE7.1229$RL6.25912@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:^ > In article <3BE0F3CD.1F6C7B79@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > :Bob Koehler wrote: E > :>    RAD hardened R3000, PowerPC, 386, and 486 are not uncommon in H > :>    satellites.  Alphas simply draw too much power to be considered. > : L > :Does Alpha draw too much power because they never bothered optimizing itsF > :power consumption, or does it draw too much power because the alpha/ > :architecture really requires so much power ?  > ..I > :In other words, had Digital wanted to, could it have built a hardened  ; > :version of Alpha that had reasonable power consumption ?  > J >   That's an interesting theoretical question.  The interesting practicalH >   question involves building the widget *and* producing an acceptable L >   return from the effort.  With enough money to spend, a very low wattage N >   Alpha chip is probably theoretically possible, but would the cost and the O >   performance be acceptable, and would there be sufficient market acceptance?   D I doubt there would be sufficient market acceptance for a _hardened_C version of any chip.  I don't believe any space-hardened chips have & been built without government subsidy.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 01:10:50 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>5 Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS 9 Message-ID: <uomE7.428$MI.229531@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:nqp2+uLcPJEh@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > F > I doubt there would be sufficient market acceptance for a _hardened_E > version of any chip.  I don't believe any space-hardened chips have ( > been built without government subsidy.  I Methinks you're right. Gallium Arsenide is way expensive and difficult to 
 work with!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:42:25 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 5 Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS , Message-ID: <3BE1F9F5.1F0F1271@videotron.ca>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: G >   Accordingly, DIGITAL Semiconductor produced the Alpha DECchip chips H >   for the upper end of the market and produced the StrongARM chips for >   the lower end.  I Why wouldn't NASA have selected StrongArm for its satellite/probes then ?   J Also, what is involved in producing a hardened version of a CPU ? Just the? casing of the chip, or is it also inside at the silicon level ?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:08:29 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> + Subject: Re: Blockbuster uses Alpha systems $ Message-ID: <3be19da6$1@news.si.com>  I >I've heard mostly bad things about them (hey, not EVERYONE who uses a VT I >wears a white hat :-) ) such as the fact that they a) censor their films   >and b) don't even mention this.  G I wouldn't count what they do as censoring the films.  True, they don't F carry every movie ever made (they don't have "Debbie Does Dallas", forL example), but neither does a public library carry every book ever published.L They have limited shelf space and must stock those films they believe are inL highest demand.  Censoring a film means editing the film to remove or modify+ parts of it.  Blockbuster does not do that.  --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:23:25 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)+ Subject: Re: Blockbuster uses Alpha systems ; Message-ID: <3be1931d.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   7 Steven Santinelli (Santinelli@smscompNOSPAM.com) wrote: / > "John Smith" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote... L > > Anyone familiar with what make and model Alpha Blockbuster uses in their > > backoffice system? > F > Yeah, always gives me that warm and fuzzy feeling every time I go to& > blockbuster, and see the VT's... :^)  C Yeah, same thing with me when I visit IKEA (large swedish furniture  dealer).   cu,    Martin --  D                     | Martin Vorlaender    |    VMS & WNT programmer-   Smiert Spamionem  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de D                     |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/4                     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:19:28 -0500 From: William_Bochnik@acml.com+ Subject: Re: Blockbuster uses Alpha systemsy> Message-ID: <OF92560F39.17F5FC56-ON85256AF7.0069FFB5@acml.com>  - http://www.chud.com/ideas/sewerchewings1.php3l      o                                                                                                                so                     Brian Tillman                                                                              wo                     <tillman_brian@notnoone.not                To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                      ho                     nohow.com>                                 cc:                                              o                                                        Subject:     Re: Blockbuster uses Alpha systems         Ho                     11/01/2001 02:08 PM                                                                        io                     Please respond to Brian                                                                    oo                     Tillman                                                                                    no                     <tillman_brian@notnoone.not                                                                ro                     nohow.com>                                                                                 ao                                                                                                                Co                                                                                                                       ? >I've heard mostly bad things about them (hey, not EVERYONE whof	 uses a VT = >wears a white hat :-) ) such as the fact that they a) censor5 their filmsp  >and b) don't even mention this.  A I wouldn't count what they do as censoring the films.  True, they  don'tl9 carry every movie ever made (they don't have "Debbie Does  Dallas", forA example), but neither does a public library carry every book everh
 published.= They have limited shelf space and must stock those films theyr believe are in; highest demand.  Censoring a film means editing the film toe remove or modify+ parts of it.  Blockbuster does not do that.t --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comnA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com-= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventa< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company            F ______________________________________________________________________;  The information contained in this transmission may containe@ privileged and confidential information and is intended only forA the use of the person(s) name above.  If you are not the intendedu= recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for deliveringC3 this message to the intended recipient, any review,M@ dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication? is strictly prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient,lA please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroyc# all copies of the original message.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 15:52:12 -0500m- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> + Subject: Re: Blockbuster uses Alpha systemso, Message-ID: <3BE1B5FA.EAA2BA44@videotron.ca>   Brian Tillman wrote:N > They have limited shelf space and must stock those films they believe are inN > highest demand.  Censoring a film means editing the film to remove or modify- > parts of it.  Blockbuster does not do that.t  L But do they stock the original movie, of the one edited for television ? ABCJ aired some good movie the other week and I had to stop watching it becauseJ every minute or so, they had a very poorly done dubbing job to remove someL words that network thinks are unacceptable. This is extremely annoying. (whyM then have the warning that the movie contains coarse language if they removedp any coarse words ?).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 16:45:39 -0500d> From: Charlie McCutcheon <charlie.mccutcheon@NOSPAMcompaq.com> Subject: Re: Compaq Ada for VMS-0 Message-ID: <3BE1C283.BC0A39E4@NOSPAMcompaq.com>  & --------------FD181289881D78A7BE9909E1* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitr  I >The only issue is as far as I've been told they will not be producing anp >Ada95 version of Compaq ADA.l  $ Sorry, Ada 95 is not the only issue.  N And yes, Compaq Ada will never be upgraded to the Ada 95 language version.  If8 you need Ada 95, we recommend GNAT Pro, provided by ACT.  P OpenVMS management is actively working on the issue of Ada for Itanium.  I won't1 hazzard to guess the result at this point...  8-)a   Charlie     & --------------FD181289881D78A7BE9909E1) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-asciis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitG  > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html>F >The only issue is as far as I've been told they will not be producing an! <br>>Ada95 version of Compaq ADA.v. <p>Sorry, Ada 95 is <b>not</b> the only issue.S <p>And yes, Compaq Ada will never be upgraded to the Ada 95 language version.&nbsp;k; If you need Ada 95, we recommend GNAT Pro, provided by ACT. P <p>OpenVMS management is actively working on the issue of Ada for Itanium.&nbsp;> I won't hazzard to guess the result at this point...&nbsp; 8-)
 <p>Charlie <br>&nbsp;</html>r  ( --------------FD181289881D78A7BE9909E1--   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:41:21 +0100m& From: John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch>' Subject: Re: Compaq goes back to school * Message-ID: <3BE1A561.74694526@dplanet.ch>   David Mathog wrote:a > = > For the first time in years I'm holding in my hand a glossy ! > advertisement from Compaq whichnJ > actually mentions alphas.   It must have been one bad quarter if they're > now so desperate that theyE > aren't even using proxies to dump unsold  Alphas into the education ! > market.   But this _IS_ Compaq,i3 > so naturally they botch it in every way possible.  > G > The publication is called "IT SOLUTION" also "Compaq Higher Educationf! > Catalog, Fourth Quarter, 2001".tG > Among the sea of PC products on pages 6 and 7 the  Alphaserver DS10L,' > DS10, DS20E,  and I > ES40 are mentioned.   It mentions OpenVMS once, Tru64 a bunch of times,G > but these are "Linux Ready" E > variants.  I'm not so sure how Ready they can be since if they have " > disks in them it isn't mentioned9 > explicitly. Not to worry though, just go to the link at< > - >   http://www.compaq.com/education/higher-eds > I > and look up the full specs.  Right?  Wrong.  At least not with Netscapee > (4.73 on Linux).C >  Clicking on the catalog page, then the servers link, and it goes $ > straight back to the catalog page.H > The alphas weren't in the price list.   It couldn't even pull them out > by part number in theh > "product search" page. > F > You can't get there from here.  (I urge you all to visit this URL so > that you too can revel in the E > incredibly ironic glory of a link which exists only under the firsti) > letter of "Compaq's Accessibility Site"dE > and "Compaq's Accessibility Press Release".  I'm looking forward toe > their discussion of G > site impaired web browsing - to be presented in black text on a black  > background.) > B > Back to the paper document, look for mentions/links/options for: >  > ESL/CSLG - nope0* > new VMS education license program - nopeI > Base licenses for Tru64 or OpenVMS - sort of, there's a link to a Tru64o > site in the fine print) >   under "benchmarks".  Nothing for VMS.  > H > I guess they only expect sales to existing alpha sites (where all this  > information is already known). > 
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog > mathog@caltech.edu  4 I had some strange behaviour with that web page too.  C The three major items on that page have links only on the first fewa characters on Netscape 4.8.i  E I went to Product Search and I had no scroll bars on my notebook PC. aC With a bit of effort I got a message saying that my browser doesn'to2 support frames ... but it does ... on other sites.  G I also found in the source that "Compaq uses genuine Microsoft Windows"hE so maybe this explains it.  Isn't there something funny about Windows @ 2000 or XP when it comes to working with non-Micrsoft browsers ?    B I was pleased to see in the "success stories" an article about theH library system at Penn State University.  The extended article says  "WeE use Compaq Alpha VMS Servers for all locally mounted databases," saidmG Michael Bender, Senior Systems Engineer. "Compaq Alpha UNIX Servers rundH our Web sites. And Compaq ProLiant Servers (Series  6000, 5500, 3000 and3 1500) serve as our Windows NT and Novell servers." i     John McLeanl   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:39:32 +0100. From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk>A Subject: Re: DEC Alpha VMS question X/Motif - how to turn it off? ; Message-ID: <3be1cfc8$0$227$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk>i  , Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message2 news:tv53ut8lqug563ic4sat1q30vl5s43jpa7@4ax.com...G > I want to stop x from starting up, is there anyway to do this besidess > a reinstall?  8 Oh yes, no reason for such drastic measures: In the file SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, you will find the line  *     $!$ DEFINE DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS TRUE  , Change that into (remove the "$!" in front):  (     $ DEFINE DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS TRUE  ( and you won't see the X-server starting.       Best regards     Jesper Naur1   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 18:36:54 -0500g! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>fA Subject: Re: DEC Alpha VMS question X/Motif - how to turn it off? 8 Message-ID: <84n3ut8pa8vqjcghd0rgobm4v941fdm4a9@4ax.com>   thank you thank you thank you!  
 Thanks! :)   B.0 On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:39:32 +0100, "Jesper Naur"! <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk> wrote:    >o- >Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in messageL3 >news:tv53ut8lqug563ic4sat1q30vl5s43jpa7@4ax.com... H >> I want to stop x from starting up, is there anyway to do this besides >> a reinstall?V >F9 >Oh yes, no reason for such drastic measures: In the file- >SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM,- >you will find the linef >S+ >    $!$ DEFINE DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS TRUEa >d- >Change that into (remove the "$!" in front):- > ) >    $ DEFINE DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS TRUEm >T) >and you won't see the X-server starting.> >u >    Best regardsm >    Jesper Naur >       @ -----=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!6@  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits!@ -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers!  ==-----   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2001 17:57:34 -0600o- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)nA Subject: Re: DEC Alpha VMS question X/Motif - how to turn it off? 3 Message-ID: <oetlyjia4NsO@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  l In article <3be1cfc8$0$227$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk>, "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk> writes: > . > Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message4 > news:tv53ut8lqug563ic4sat1q30vl5s43jpa7@4ax.com...H >> I want to stop x from starting up, is there anyway to do this besides >> a reinstall?i > : > Oh yes, no reason for such drastic measures: In the file  > SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, > you will find the line > , >     $!$ DEFINE DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS TRUE > . > Change that into (remove the "$!" in front): > * >     $ DEFINE DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS TRUE > * > and you won't see the X-server starting.  G In general on VMS, the answer is almost never "reinstall the software"..   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:33:49 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> A Subject: Re: DEC Alpha VMS question X/Motif - how to turn it off?o, Message-ID: <3BE1F7F1.CC265F22@videotron.ca>  	 Question:o  N Is there a big difference between setting the SYSGEN WINDOWSYSTEM parameter toE 0 versus doing the logical DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS logical to "TRUE" ?q   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 14:25:33 -0500l! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>r* Subject: Re: DHCP client software for VMS?8 Message-ID: <kc83ut0b3jfajv7jk1cbit9rpjvvja8gql@4ax.com>  5 Sorry I should have mentioned this is all OpenVMS 7.1u: and whatever stack that comes with that, tcpip5 I think..?   thanks   B.    @ -----=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!e@  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits!@ -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers!  ==-----   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:59:53 GMTc4 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com>* Subject: Re: DHCP client software for VMS?A Message-ID: <ZQhE7.285837$bY5.1114290@news-server.bigpond.net.au>m  * DHCP Client is supported with TCP/IP V5.1.  F There are several ways to configure (to take into account the range ofJ possible customer configurations), but if you have never configured TCP/IPF on your system and you issue @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$STARTUP then after one0 prompt, your DHCP Client will be up and running.  J For more info, refer to Chapter 8 of the TCP/IP Services Management Guide.  K http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73FINAL/6526/6526pro_018.html#index_x_416w   Matt.i    . "Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message2 news:ks53utg5sdft7of3s95ivg12ges6htdrul@4ax.com...F > is there any way or software for VMS to set it up so it can get it's > IP address via DHCP ?  >h% > something like DHCPCd or something?v >o > can anyone help? >n > Thanks >  > Bd >l >DB > -----=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =-----C > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! B >  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits!B > -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers!  ==-----   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:26:03 GMTa2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)* Subject: Re: DHCP client software for VMS?3 Message-ID: <vdiE7.1221$RL6.23653@news.cpqcorp.net>h  \ In article <ks53utg5sdft7of3s95ivg12ges6htdrul@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:E :is there any way or software for VMS to set it up so it can get it'sV :IP address via DHCP ?  B   TCP/IP Services V5.1 and later include DHCP client capabilities.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 18:31:59 -0500i! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>n* Subject: Re: DHCP client software for VMS?8 Message-ID: <6rm3utck57b4fkb75icvr30iijftfj3ltd@4ax.com>   so how do I get this?    B.E On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:26:03 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hofft Hoffman) wrote:   ] >In article <ks53utg5sdft7of3s95ivg12ges6htdrul@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:tF >:is there any way or software for VMS to set it up so it can get it's >:IP address via DHCP ?  >tC >  TCP/IP Services V5.1 and later include DHCP client capabilities.e >l > O > ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------SO >      For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    rO > --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------uM >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com       @ -----=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!t@  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits!@ -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers!  ==-----   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2001 17:53:40 -0600s- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) * Subject: Re: DHCP client software for VMS?3 Message-ID: <n3FAehsuMvjp@eisner.encompasserve.org>8  \ In article <6rm3utck57b4fkb75icvr30iijftfj3ltd@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes: > so how do I get this?8  & 	http://e-softwarefactory.com/ovms.cfm  . > B.G > On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:26:03 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff  > Hoffman) wrote:  > ^ >>In article <ks53utg5sdft7of3s95ivg12ges6htdrul@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:G >>:is there any way or software for VMS to set it up so it can get it's  >>:IP address via DHCP ? >>D >>  TCP/IP Services V5.1 and later include DHCP client capabilities.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:05:53 -0500 ! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> * Subject: Re: DHCP client software for VMS?8 Message-ID: <qas3uto6rihjgh20tp7ac79pm1e5in8ogd@4ax.com>  ' it's closed. You mean I have to BUY it?0   B.E On 1 Nov 2001 17:53:40 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  wrote:  ] >In article <6rm3utck57b4fkb75icvr30iijftfj3ltd@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:  >> so how do I get this? > ' >	http://e-softwarefactory.com/ovms.cfm  >  >> B. H >> On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:26:03 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff >> Hoffman) wrote: >>  _ >>>In article <ks53utg5sdft7of3s95ivg12ges6htdrul@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes: H >>>:is there any way or software for VMS to set it up so it can get it's >>>:IP address via DHCP ?  >>> E >>>  TCP/IP Services V5.1 and later include DHCP client capabilities.       @ -----=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! @  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits!@ -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers!  ==-----   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2001 19:31:45 -0600t- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e* Subject: Re: DHCP client software for VMS?3 Message-ID: <akoSR6iYO4Sq@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  \ In article <qas3uto6rihjgh20tp7ac79pm1e5in8ogd@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:) > it's closed. You mean I have to BUY it?   A That's the way Compaq software is obtained, with the exception of F the hobbyist program.  I presume that if you had a current maintenance: contract you would have received the update automatically.   > B.G > On 1 Nov 2001 17:53:40 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e > wrote: > ^ >>In article <6rm3utck57b4fkb75icvr30iijftfj3ltd@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes: >>> so how do I get this?o >>( >>	http://e-softwarefactory.com/ovms.cfm >> _ >>> B.I >>> On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:26:03 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoffn >>> Hoffman) wrote:a >>> ` >>>>In article <ks53utg5sdft7of3s95ivg12ges6htdrul@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:I >>>>:is there any way or software for VMS to set it up so it can get it'so >>>>:IP address via DHCP ? >>>>F >>>>  TCP/IP Services V5.1 and later include DHCP client capabilities. >  >  > B > -----=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =-----C > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!mB >  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits!B > -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers!  ==----- -- 2N ==============================================================================I The Boulder Pledge: "Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anythingrJ      offered to me as the result of an unsolicited email message. Nor willI      I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warningshH      to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival      of the online community."N ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:44:01 -0500a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o* Subject: Re: DHCP client software for VMS?, Message-ID: <3BE1FA54.80B37CCB@videotron.ca>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ^ > In article <6rm3utck57b4fkb75icvr30iijftfj3ltd@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes: > > so how do I get this?3 > / >         http://e-softwarefactory.com/ovms.cfmn ##  The eStore is currently closed. L                      If you would like to place an order while the eStore is down, K                       please call one of the following, during the hours ofn 8am to 5pm EST:    ##  I Fpr a global company, having an electronic store follow business hours ofA! single time zone is pretty funny.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:48:37 -0500d! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> * Subject: Re: DHCP client software for VMS?8 Message-ID: <5pu3utknpg0ngh78eaad3crbv1rthseeqg@4ax.com>   I have a hobbyist license. I have no maintenance contract.e& I have openvms 7.1 which has tcpip 5.0 the one I need is 5.1D  = I hardly think a 0.1 upgrade is acceptable as a "pay" option.s What is this, Microsoft? :)7  E there must be a hobbyist way to get this. 7.2 wasn't at montagar lasth I checked though.u   B.E On 1 Nov 2001 19:31:45 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)i wrote:  ] >In article <qas3uto6rihjgh20tp7ac79pm1e5in8ogd@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:u* >> it's closed. You mean I have to BUY it? > B >That's the way Compaq software is obtained, with the exception ofG >the hobbyist program.  I presume that if you had a current maintenance;; >contract you would have received the update automatically.8 >  >> B.lH >> On 1 Nov 2001 17:53:40 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)	 >> wrote:- >> -_ >>>In article <6rm3utck57b4fkb75icvr30iijftfj3ltd@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:c >>>> so how do I get this? >>> ) >>>	http://e-softwarefactory.com/ovms.cfm> >>>  >>>> B.gJ >>>> On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:26:03 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff >>>> Hoffman) wrote: >>>>  a >>>>>In article <ks53utg5sdft7of3s95ivg12ges6htdrul@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:aJ >>>>>:is there any way or software for VMS to set it up so it can get it's >>>>>:IP address via DHCP ?s >>>>>oG >>>>>  TCP/IP Services V5.1 and later include DHCP client capabilities.u >> t >> s >> eC >> -----=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =-----rD >> http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!C >>  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits!nC >> -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers!  ==-----R      @ -----=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!r@  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits!@ -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers!  ==-----   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2001 20:43:13 -0600n- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t* Subject: Re: DHCP client software for VMS?3 Message-ID: <B8712Rp2KD91@eisner.encompasserve.org>'  \ In article <5pu3utknpg0ngh78eaad3crbv1rthseeqg@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes: > I have a hobbyist license.  8 Then if you don't like the media-only price from Compaq,3 you can try eBay.  Your existing license will work.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 22:33:05 -0500 ! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>l* Subject: Re: DHCP client software for VMS?8 Message-ID: <cu44uto9lvd1d4ovq6suosmup9cgteqd16@4ax.com>  7 Like I'm going to find anything that obscure on ebay...uB I'm going to hate trying to navigate the compaq site to find it...   B.E On 1 Nov 2001 20:43:13 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)V wrote:  ] >In article <5pu3utknpg0ngh78eaad3crbv1rthseeqg@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:V >> I have a hobbyist license.x >t9 >Then if you don't like the media-only price from Compaq,o4 >you can try eBay.  Your existing license will work.      @ -----=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!h@  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits!@ -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers!  ==-----   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 01:10:42 -0500b! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> * Subject: Re: DHCP client software for VMS?8 Message-ID: <76e4utgmk8n9r1mrhd8saqf0ao4nimrduf@4ax.com>  B anybody know the part number or where to order it (specific URL) ?! I can't find it on compaq's site.?   thanks   B., On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:44:01 -0500, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:e   >Larry Kilgallen wrote:a >> e_ >> In article <6rm3utck57b4fkb75icvr30iijftfj3ltd@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:r >> > so how do I get this? >> q0 >>         http://e-softwarefactory.com/ovms.cfm >##L! >The eStore is currently closed. 0M >                     If you would like to place an order while the eStore is  >down, -L >                      please call one of the following, during the hours of >8am to 5pm EST: p >. >##d > J >Fpr a global company, having an electronic store follow business hours of" >single time zone is pretty funny.      @ -----=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!o@  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits!@ -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers!  ==-----   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 02:47:11 GMT$ From: 1076366@home.com Subject: employment opportunity!8 Message-ID: <3be209af.50293217@news.grnvle1.sc.home.com>   write to 1076366@home.comv vax/vms optional: cobol ingres   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 15:06:46 +00100' From: <paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au>d Subject: FWD: Pathworks32D5 Message-ID: <01KA8E4153UA0075IW@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>e   On behalf of a colleague:r  L Can anyone advise which version of eXcursions ships with the latest version  of Pathworks32 (ver 7.2).    Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:08:32 -0800& From: "Rick Cadruvi" <rick@rdperf.com>2 Subject: Re: Global Sections for IPC - performance/ Message-ID: <tu43iekjbqlm26@corp.supernews.com>s   > >> sys$hiber, sys$wake.O > >>5 > >> We use the lock manager for coordinating access.S > >>I > >> (The global sections are not mapped to files - we use SEC$M_PAGFIL).I > >_H > >Is your VMS system busy or is CPU and memory usage usage pretty low ? >  > Very busy (100% CPU usage).S  I Share the data using an interlock mechanism (ADAWI) and while waiting form the K data to be in a state you want, spin by Interrupting the Software Schedulere5 (I posted the basic mechanism in an earlier message).   K You will still be running 100% CPU, but you will be giving up the schedulere toD others.  This effectively makes you the NULL process for all similar priorityE processes and above.  Make sure ALL cooperating processes are runninggJ at the same BASE priority.  I guarantee this is the FASTEST method by far. >iH > I guess we need to flush the working set to the pagefile so that otherH > processes can access the data.  If there is any swapping going on thenF > this would be a real downer for performance. I guess this would be a > memory/quota issue.   D Not needed.  Since multiple processes map these as GLOBAL pages, theI memory is available whether or NOT it has been paged out.  Obviously, you G want to avoid page faults and swapping, but DON'T flush the data unlessE; you need it to survive ALL cooperating process terminations      Rikc Cadruvi...C   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2001 21:47:24 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)n' Subject: Re: host-based shadow question = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0111012147.5c7d2a3d@posting.google.com>f  | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KA6WLFSLIQ8YAE79@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...J > Since allocation-port names ($n$) only make sense for dual-ported disks,H > is it necessary to use these names, rather than the NODE$ names, when A > specifying the members of a shadow set?  This is stated in the  4 > documentation, but I see no obvious reason for it.  E I'm told it is because Volume Shadowing uses lock value blocks (which1@ are limited to 16 bytes in size), and there is at least one caseB where, given the data that needed to be included in the lock valueF block, there was enough room for an allocation class field, but not an@ entire SCS nodename, in the space available for the device name.C -------------------------------------------------------------------eC Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | VMS consulting on: C Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Internals, Performance, Storage & I/Oi   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 06:54:26 GMT-- From: lucejr@encompasserve.org (Charlie Luce)hG Subject: Re: how to right-justify a string within a DCL f$fao directivemC Message-ID: <CqrE7.9207$hZ.816437@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>h  L In article <9ps7ck$eem$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>, Jean-Franois Marchal says... >  >Bonjour  toush > A >I'm looking for thesimplest expression to right-justify a stringo6 >which is part of a more complex output done by f$fao. >i$ >Any suggestion will be appreciated.  L I don't know if it's the best way, but if the string was in a symbol of its L own I'd use something like !%(fieldlength-F$LENGTH(string))*" " in front of A the string (perhaps after using F$EDIT to remove the whitespace).6   Hope that helps, Charlie    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:17:26 GMTg2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: Installing CC060 on VMS VAX 6.13 Message-ID: <q5iE7.1218$RL6.23767@news.cpqcorp.net>n  a In article <d5440555.0111010133.7007e701@posting.google.com>, soterro@yahoo.com (Soterro) writes:d    J   Without intending to be rude, you write that you have problems resultingJ   from the complexity of your current configuration, yet you have clearly L   considered activities (eg: modifications to KITINSTAL) that will serve to F   increase the complexity of your present configuration.  Most system H   managers are unfortunately in a rather ugly position, one where it is I   often difficult to reduce the complexity of the configuration, through .K   techniques such as consistent and supported product revisions -- testing xJ   and production cycles can quite clearly interfere with this and (having L   implemented a few of these rather "creative" fixes and "creative" changes K   myself, and having also been the system manager on the "receiving" end of-K   "creative" fixes made by others :-) non-standard or unsupported versions i4   or configurations can hinder upgrades and support.  L   You also clearly appear somewhat displeased with the details and with the K   responses that you have received related to the problem.  What would you oK   have prefered as a resolution to this?  (Yes, it would have been best if  K   CC060 installed cleanly on this particular old OpenVMS VAX release.  But  H   to recover from the failure here, what specifically would you want to K   see?  A new V6.0 kit containing the old compiler, or a new kit and a new oJ   compiler?  Or a workaround, such as a way to yank pieces out of the kit    and fool it into installing?)e    H :>   was also replaced some time ago.  I'd try OpenVMS VAX V6.2 or V7.3,E :Well, not that I didn't install for fun and test some OpenVMS, but I.B :will have to find somebody to do that properly on the developmentF :machine. I can see that's no trivial task at all, since I had so manyG :installation/upgrade/compatibility problems with some tiny application # :kits - maybe not so tiny actually.u :pJ :>   you were asked to move to more recent/current versions.  eg: V6.2.)  G :Yeah, that of course and suggestions that didn't help things going on.aC :Well, nothing to say, they tried their best, but their best wasn'tc :much.  D   Um, you would have prefered to acquire a custom-rebuilt CC060 kit?  L :>   guessing the kit was rebuilt incorrectly.  (Use SPKITBLD as a start,...D :For sure it was ;) but until now I haven't tried SPKITBLD (I missedF :that tool in the vmsinstal documentation) and I used BACKUP instead - :bad idea apparently.w  )   Yes, that approach would be a bad idea.r  ; :>   down this path, please also tell us what you tried...)tE :I just traced the execution of kitinstal.com until I discovered that G :it uses an unknown (to me and OpenVMS too) tool namely LIBEXT, nowhereN
 :to find.   B   The LIBEXT tool is included within the VMSINSTAL kit, if you are   curious about it.t  ; :The error output was disabled at some point in the script,eF :that's why no debug/error messages were shout. Anyway, that meant endF :of line for my efforts, I called somebody to update the system to 6.2E :and hopefully that thing will be solved (?) I must say and underline-F :that I didn't expect at all to encounter such a mess... but why would* :I complain when finding bugs is my job ;)  G   The LIBEXT component can be related to the problem that I refered to cD   -- that tool is part of the processing of the starlet definitions C   library that I refered to -- and the fix to this installation bugm6   is incorporated in the V6.2 and newer compiler kits.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 01 Nov 2001 23:58:13 -05005 From: "Matthew X. Economou" <meconomou@earthlink.net>a; Subject: Keyboard problems with VMS 7.2 on AlphaStation 200v0 Message-ID: <w4od731g462.fsf@eco-fs1.irtnog.org>  E I have noticed some strangeness with my PCXAL keyboard attached to mykE AlphaStation in both text mode and under DECwindows.  The keyboard iseD connected through a Master View KVM switch.  I have noticed no otherA problems on the other systems connected to the switch (aside fromeB mouse detection when Windows is restarted and doesn't have focus).  6 In text mode, in either the SRM console or on "OPA0:":B  - I cannot type a question mark "?" (shift-/ on my keyboard).  No    error is signaled.>D  - The number lock key won't.  (Maybe because VMS is interpreting it    as PF1?)aC  - I can type "/", "-", and "+" on the numeric keypad, but not "*".u   Under DECwindows:cD  - The RETURN key will only enter commands at certain times (e.g. at6    the DCL prompt, but not at the HELP Topic? prompt).B  - I cannot type "<", ">", "/", or "?", but "." and "," work fine.A  - The left control key doesn't cause control characters, but the>D    right control key does.  In fact, left control seems to work like    some kind of compose key.  @ Needless to say, I'm very confused.  Since this is not the LK411D keyboard mentioned in the FAQ, I'm not certain how to proceed.  DoesE anyone know what might be wrong, either with the keyboard or with theh* wetware interfacing with the keyboard?  ;)   Thanks in advance,	 #\Matthewr   --  ? "His power lies apparently in his ability to choose incompetentl3 enemies." - Crow T. Robot, MST3K, "Prince of Space"N   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:45:47 GMT-2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)/ Subject: Re: Mixed language programming and RMSL3 Message-ID: <LDhE7.1216$RL6.23855@news.cpqcorp.net>e  ] In article <ONXI1toYBHA.1992@cpimsnntpa03>, "cstranslations" <cstranslations@msn.com> writes:=H :I am working on an application that will be written in a combination ofL :BASIC and C. I am likely going to have a need to write to a particular fileI :(the application logfile) at various times from both the BASIC and the CwL :parts of the application. I threw together some test code that opens a fileL :(from BASIC) and then does a few "interleaved" writes to the file from both :languages.=  *   I've done similar I/O on many occasions.  L :Just wondering if anyone out there has done this and has any gotchas that IK :should look out for other than, "be sure to use str$get1_dx and associatedDI :functions when passing string data back and forth between BASIC and C." c  E   The use of string descriptors is not specific to the file I/O, but eF   rather is a general topic of mixed-language programming.  That said,E   I'd also look to learn and to use the lib$analyze_sdesc calls, too.    :WhatIE :I'm wondering about (in particular) is if there will (or can be) any K :problems on the BASIC side after I alter the rab (in particular) rab$l_rbf5" :and rab$w_rsz over on the C side.  I   You can open the same file multiple times, or you can maintain one set  E   of RMS structures and share the task of making RMS calls from both 0I   languages, or you can maintain a core set of application-specific file l0   routines, or any number of other permutations.  G   My personal preference is to partition the file activity into one setnG   of routines, and potentially into one shareable image.  This makes itd6   easy to debug, easy to maintain, and easy to modify.  H   What you do NOT want to do is modify/manipulate nor share any FAB/RAB K   structures that are maintained "behind" the language-specific I/O within 1H   the language RTL.  Use your own, or open two parallel channels.  Most F   languages don't necessarily expect to have other code altering data #   within their I/O data structures.l  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:05:32 +0100@2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: news servers ; Message-ID: <3be19cfc.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   : Phillip Helbig (HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com) wrote:G > I have a "real" internet connection from home, so the only thing I'm 7/ > missing is an NNTP server I can access. [...]rJ > Thus, I'm looking for an NNTP server I can use.  I've actually found oneI > which is publicly accessible, carries all the groups I need and is fastvI > and up-to-date, but a) I need posting access and b) this service might >I > disappear tomorrow (I understand that some publicly accessible servers :E > are publicly accessible so that they can be tested under realistic  G > conditions before access is restricted, either posting access or all v
 > access).  # Register at http://news.cis.dfn.de/-  H It's a very good news server with a wealth of groups, and because it's aG university server, it probably won't disappear. The only policy besideskF "common sense" ones (accurate sender address, netiquette, etc.) is "no commercial usage".   cu,f   Martin --  G                            | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer04 Microsoft isn't the Borg:  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deK the Borg have proper       |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/e; networking.                | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.det   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 01:55:34 -0000i% From: gavin@allegro.com (Gavin Scott)d Subject: Re: OT - HP's MPE-IX / Message-ID: <tu3v8mds49v668@news.supernews.com>   - Duane Sand <duane.sand@mindspring.com> wrote: E > MPE software is all big-endian.  VMS software is all little-endian.R  @ Fortunately the target architecture (IA-64) is bi-endian, and a B clever OS should have no problem supporting different endian modes on a process-by-process basis.  A Note that Windows on IA-64 is little-endian but HP-UX on IA-64 is0 big-endian.6  > All PA-RISC 1.1 and later implementations are also bi-endian, B though HP decided not to ship the NT port they are rumored to haveA done a number of years ago.  I'm not aware of any current PA-RISCd, OS that runs in little-endian mode (Linux?).   G.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2001 06:12:03 GMTd- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)- Subject: Re: OT - HP's MPE-IXT5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-mcFdEKyn2dtp@localhost>n  F On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 06:11:56, "Duane Sand" <duane.sand@mindspring.com>  wrote:   > ! > <lroduner@americhem.com> wrote:- > > ...-K > > How difficult would it be to move enough of the MPE-IX system functionso > andxK > > RTL's to VMS so that the existing MPE-IX applications could be "easily"r > > ported to VMS?  .... > E > MPE software is all big-endian.  VMS software is all little-endian. D > One side or the other would be faced with incompatible data files,D > no execution of old binaries, and nontrivial source changes before > recompiling. > " > Same story with HP-UX and Tru64.  7 Exactly and they've got that sorted haven't they ? :-))n   -- t Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2001 00:28 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)c Subject: Re: OT - HP's MPE-IX , Message-ID: <2NOV200100282031@gerg.tamu.edu>  1 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes...ao }In article <MI5E7.4437$wj5.2079920@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>, "Duane Sand" <duane.sand@mindspring.com> writes:e }> o" }> <lroduner@americhem.com> wrote: }>> ...iK }>> How difficult would it be to move enough of the MPE-IX system functionsU }> andK }>> RTL's to VMS so that the existing MPE-IX applications could be "easily"o }>> ported to VMS?  ...m }> SF }> MPE software is all big-endian.  VMS software is all little-endian. }  }Thanks for the information. } E }> One side or the other would be faced with incompatible data files, E }> no execution of old binaries, and nontrivial source changes beforea }> recompiling.r } C }I seem to recall (from Usenet) that VMS Fortran has the ability to H }read big-endian data.  I presume the only reason it is Fortran-specific/ }is that those are the customers who wanted it.d } E }As for executables -- the Unix folk are going to have to solve this..6 }If their solution is worthwhile, it could be adopted.  C Yep, Fortran can read a number of different formats, converting thew4 data to the native format on the fly, as it is read:   FORTRAN-     Statements       OPEN  
       CONVERT   G          Indicates a nonnative numeric format for unformatted data.  ItC"          takes the following form:            CONVERT = fmm  @          fm  Is a character expression with one of the following              options:s  >             'LITTLE_ENDIAN'- Little endian integer data of theD                              appropriate size (INTEGER*1, INTEGER*2,>                              INTEGER*4, or INTEGER*8) and IEEEH                              floating-point data of the appropriate sizeJ                              and type (REAL*4, REAL*8, REAL*16, COMPLEX*8,H                              COMPLEX*16, or COMPLEX*32).  INTEGER*1 dataJ                              is the same for little endian and big endian.  G             'BIG_ENDIAN' -   Big endian integer data of the appropriaterF                              size (INTEGER*1, INTEGER*2, INTEGER*4, orG                              INTEGER*8) and IEEE floating-point data ofdK                              the appropriate size and type (REAL*4, REAL*8,hL                              REAL*16, COMPLEX*8, COMPLEX*16, or COMPLEX*32).I                              INTEGER*1 data is the same for little endiana,                              and big endian.  G             'CRAY' -         Big endian integer data of the appropriatetF                              size (INTEGER*1, INTEGER*2, INTEGER*4, orG                              INTEGER*8) and CRAY floating-point data ofi7                              size REAL*8 or COMPLEX*16.i  J             'FDX' -          Little endian integer data of the appropriateF                              size (INTEGER*1, INTEGER*2, INTEGER*4, orJ                              INTEGER*8) and Compaq VAX floating-point dataJ                              of format F_floating for REAL*4 or COMPLEX*8,J                              D_floating for size REAL*8 or COMPLEX*16, andG                              IEEE X_floating for REAL*16 or COMPLEX*32.s  J             'FGX' -          Little endian integer data of the appropriateF                              size (INTEGER*1, INTEGER*2, INTEGER*4, orJ                              INTEGER*8) and Compaq VAX floating-point dataJ                              of format F_floating for REAL*4 or COMPLEX*8,J                              G_floating for size REAL*8 or COMPLEX*16, andG                              IEEE X_floating for REAL*16 or COMPLEX*32.u  G             'IBM' -          Big endian integer data of the appropriate F                              size (INTEGER*1, INTEGER*2, INTEGER*4, orI                              INTEGER*8) and IBM System\370 floating-pointsB                              data of size REAL*4 or COMPLEX*8 (IBMH                              short 4) and size REAL*8 or COMPLEX*16 (IBM%                              long 8).h  J             'VAXD' -         Little endian integer data of the appropriateF                              size (INTEGER*1, INTEGER*2, INTEGER*4, orE                              INTEGER*8) and Compaq VAX floating-point.?                              data of format F_floating for sizesE                              REAL*4 or COMPLEX*8, D_floating for size E                              REAL*8 or COMPLEX*16, and H_floating forw3                              REAL*16 or COMPLEX*32.b  J             'VAXG' -         Little endian integer data of the appropriateF                              size (INTEGER*1, INTEGER*2, INTEGER*4, orE                              INTEGER*8) and Compaq VAX floating-point ?                              data of format F_floating for sizedE                              REAL*4 or COMPLEX*8, G_floating for size E                              REAL*8 or COMPLEX*16, and H_floating for43                              REAL*16 or COMPLEX*32.@  F             'NATIVE' -       No data conversion.  This is the default.  D          You can use CONVERT to specify multiple formats in a singleD          program, usually one format for each specified unit number.  K          When reading a non-native format, the non-native format on disk isuI          converted to native format in memory.  If a converted non-nativeaG          value is outside the range of the native data type, a run-timep          message appears.,  G          There are other ways to specify numeric format for unformatted H          files:  you can specify an OpenVMS logical name or the compilerJ          option /CONVERT (or OPTIONS/CONVERT).  The order of precedence isI          OpenVMS logical name, OPEN (CONVERT=), OPTIONS/CONVERT, and then"D          compiler option /CONVERT.  The /CONVERT compiler option andK          OPTIONS/CONVERT affect all unit numbers used by the program, whilerH          logical names and OPEN (CONVERT=) affect specific unit numbers.  J          The following source code shows how to code the OPEN statement toH          read unformatted CRAY numeric data from unit 15, which might beK          processed and possibly written in little endian format to unit 20:l  H             OPEN (CONVERT='CRAY', FILE='graph3.dat', FORM='UNFORMATTED',            1     UNIT=15)6             ... H             OPEN (FILE='graph3_native.dat', FORM='UNFORMATTED', UNIT=20)   --- Carl   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:04:33 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> & Subject: Re: PCL Printer control codes$ Message-ID: <3be19cbb$1@news.si.com>  = >This is done via an <ESC>P at the start and an <ESC>\ at thepG >end of any PCL being sent (neither of these escape codes is documentedaC >in the PCL 5 Technical Reference Manual - it is possible that theyc6 >are specific to HP and Canon may use something else).  F They are specific to VMS (and possibly ANSI) and constitute the DeviceK Control String (DCS)  and String Terminator (ST) sequences as documented innE the VTxxx terminal manuals.  The VMS print symbiont is aware of these H sequences and does not assume that what comes between them is printable,F hence does not send a formfeed when the printable information follows. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comdA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.come= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 21:49:28 -0600l1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>T& Subject: Re: PCL Printer control codes' Message-ID: <3BE217C8.500AB66B@fsi.net>T   John Hayes wrote:i > I > I have a telnet queue going to a canon printer (photocopier,scanner etcsK > unit). I have created a library with PCL control codes to print landscapepN > and portrait. These are fine but when I print in duplex mode, the first pageK > always prints on the back side of the first page. It makes all my reportsw< > looks like they are skipping a page. Anyone got any ideas. >  > Desperate Nowb  8 I seem to remember solving that (at least partially) by:  F 1. In the job setup, using the sequence to select duplex side two near% the end of the job setup sequence(s).l3 2. In page setup, include the "next side" sequence.o  G ...I think, not 100% sure anymore. That was getting onto four years ago-% already, and at least three jobs ago.l  E ...oh yeah, remember to enclose the whole thing(s) in extended escape-% sequence delimiters (<ESC>P, <ESC>\).-  
 ...I think...-   --   David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/3   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:05:59 -0800! From: "PEXIM" <konkurs@pexim.net>p Subject: POTREBNI PROGRAMERI( Message-ID: <9rs6hu$lna$20@cer.yubc.net>   TRAZIMOs   WEB PROGRAMERE 	Neophodno je:" 	Iskustvo u radu sa HTML (notepad)& 	Iskustvo u radu sa Javascript jezikom 	 
 	Pozeljno je:o 	Iskustvo u radu sa ASP (PHP)V 	Poznavanje XML I XSLT 	Poznavanje jezika C 	Poznavanje ASP.NETo 	Vozacka dozvola   WINDOWS PROGRAMERE 	Neophodno je:) 	Iskustvo u radu sa Borland Delphi alatoms 	Iskustvo u radu sa SQL bazama 	Znanje engleskog jezika 	 
 	Pozeljno je:e' 	Iskustvo u radu sa jezicima Pascal i Ca 	Poznavanje PC hardveran 	Vozacka dozvola     Konkurs je stalno otvoren. U CV navedite formalno obrazovanje, kurseve, samostalne i timske projekte, reference i kontakt telefon za zakazivanje razgovora.s   Kontakt: Mail: konkurs@pexim.net  Tel: 011/3015131, 3015132e   Informacije: http://www.pexim.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 21:42:45 -0600n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a* Subject: Re: savesets,  CDs and attributes' Message-ID: <3BE21635.8FFCC3DE@fsi.net>e   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ] > In article <3BE0CEA1.C9C4CC8C@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:m > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ? > >> If you have a properly written ISO-9660 CD-ROM where thoseeG > >> characteristics are not being honored by VMS, please file a report  > >> with Compaq.a > > J > > To my knowledge, there is no known way to store RMS file attributes onB > > ISO-9660 media of any kind, since VMS typically MOUNTs them asI > > write-protected. I am unaware of any INITIALIZE qualifiers that would C > > let me make either an LDcu: or VDcu: device an ISO-9660 volume,u > > MOUNTable write-enabled. > >DG > > I am unaware of any third-party or non-VMS software for doing this,28 > > either. AFAIK, MKISOFS_VMS does not do this, either. > C > Then file a bug report with the vendor of the software formattingnC > the ISO-9660 for you.  The cells are there for storing simple RMSa@ > attributes -- if the code allegedly formatting the ISO-9660 is@ > omitting those fields it is hardly the fault of those who have# > no connection with that software.e  E I'm unaware of any non-(former-)DEC o.s. that provides native support G for both RMS and ISO-9660. So, I'd be hard-pressed to say how you would 6 write an ISO-9660 image while preserving RMS metadata.  F 'Bout the only way I can see to do that would be MKISOFS_VMS, assumingE one had the necessary tech. doc.'s to modify it and have it place RMSb7 metadata in the appropriate cells so RMS would find it.   G Then again, given how one MOUNTs an ISO-9660 disc, I don't see how thatdF could be enabled without mucho changes to the OpenVMS system software.= See HELP MOUNT /MEDIA and/or the appropriate source listings.o  (H > > With all the attention on DII-COE, I suppose native ISO-9660 support= > > (both read and write) should be a wish list item for VMS.w > B > Where is I feel Mandatory Access Control should be a priority inB > that circumstance.  It is easy to say "ride the coattails of theA > project that has funding", but features should stand or fall onn > their own merit. > > > Which other operating systems have native ISO-9660 writing ?  D At the risk of awakening Andrew, I believe Solaris does, at the very) least, but I'm probably wrong about that.t   -- h David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systemsy http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 15:38:09 -0500a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>U Subject: Re: SET TERM/INQr, Message-ID: <3BE1B2B0.4416879F@videotron.ca>   Phillip Helbig wrote:h > C > Why does SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE take much longer when issued from a-$ > DECterm than from a real terminal?  K In my experience, SET TERM/INQUIRE is MUCH faster on a decterm running on aQ* VAXstation 3100-30 than on a VT320 or 220.  H Note that SET TERM/IQNUIRE has gotten slower over the years since it hasN increased the number of polls to the terminal to find more info about it (such as terminal size).   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:11:27 -0500- From: Joe Heimann <heimann@nog.ecs.umass.edu>r/ Subject: Re: Source for DE500-BA Ethernet CardsoI Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10111011704220.24133-100000@nog.ecs.umass.edu>:  & The link I see it on is the following:  ;       http://www.zones.com/cgi-bin/zones/zbs/scripts/browse '       /simple_browse_page.jsp?id=-26107o  H wrapped to fit on two lines.  It is listed about the middle of the page.- The direct link to the card is the following:f  4       http://www.zones.com/cgi-bin/zones/zbs/scripts1       /product/product_summary_page.jsp?id=241345n  H Did not have cut and paste available when I sent the original.  If theseH links do not work for you, from the www.maczone.com main page select theE Clearance selection from the top right of the page, then Hardware and ) the Network entry for Hardware clearance.d    Joe  '  On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Tom Crabtre wrote:t   > Sir: > H > Please be so kind as to post the link.  I've tried to find this "great > deal" with no success. > 	 > Thanks,i >  > Tom C. >  > Joe Heimann wrote: > J > > On occasion, I have seen posts from persons looking for low cost cardsH > > for their systems.  Mac and PC Zone have a "limited quantity" of theH > > Digital DE500-BA PCI 10/100 ethernet cards for $9.99 listed in theirI > > Clearance section for network hardware.  Hope this is useful info for- > > someone. > >- > >  Joe >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 18:54:56 -0800:% From: Tom Crabtre <tccrab@sunset.net>3/ Subject: Re: Source for DE500-BA Ethernet Cardsu* Message-ID: <3BE20B00.18D178C4@sunset.net>  * Thanks, they still have 19.  A great deal.M Other companies (Dave, are you listening?) sell them for as much as $50 each.  ;-0l   Tom C.   Joe Heimann wrote:  ( > The link I see it on is the following: >b= >       http://www.zones.com/cgi-bin/zones/zbs/scripts/browse ) >       /simple_browse_page.jsp?id=-26107  >RJ > wrapped to fit on two lines.  It is listed about the middle of the page./ > The direct link to the card is the following:o >a6 >       http://www.zones.com/cgi-bin/zones/zbs/scripts3 >       /product/product_summary_page.jsp?id=241345  > J > Did not have cut and paste available when I sent the original.  If theseJ > links do not work for you, from the www.maczone.com main page select theG > Clearance selection from the top right of the page, then Hardware and0+ > the Network entry for Hardware clearance.c >  >  Joe > ) >  On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Tom Crabtre wrote:  >- > > Sir: > >cJ > > Please be so kind as to post the link.  I've tried to find this "great > > deal" with no success. > >  > > Thanks,a > > 
 > > Tom C. > >r > > Joe Heimann wrote: > > L > > > On occasion, I have seen posts from persons looking for low cost cardsJ > > > for their systems.  Mac and PC Zone have a "limited quantity" of theJ > > > Digital DE500-BA PCI 10/100 ethernet cards for $9.99 listed in theirK > > > Clearance section for network hardware.  Hope this is useful info for  > > > someone. > > > 
 > > >  Joe > >v > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 21:53:24 +0100r2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender). Subject: Re: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM; Message-ID: <3be1b644.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>I  0 Mark D. Jilson (jilly@clarityconnect.com) wrote: > Bart Zorn wrote:N > > At least the MET time zone rule (again, still, whatever) is wrong (OpenVMSJ > > V7.3). It changes the DST on the 4th Sunday of March/October, where itL > > should be the LAST Sunday. Last weekend it didn't make a difference, but > > next March it will.  >tG > My understanding is that you are seeing the rule for the current yeariJ > and when 2002 rolls around you will see the correct rule for that year. I > In other words the rule is correct for 2001 and you cannot see what theo: > rule will be for 2002 unless the actual time is in 2002.  3 Errr... no. Unless they change some files, that is.F  D The timezone rules are in files in SYS$COMMON:[SYS$TIMEZONE.SYSTEM],K with the sources to these (binary) files being in SYS$COMMON:[SYS$TIMEZONE.dF SYSTEM. SOURCES] (pre7.3 it's SYS$ZONEINFO). This is pointed to by the) logical SYS$TZDIR. In 7.2 it says for METc  ? # Zone  NAME            GMTOFF  RULES/SAVE      FORMAT  [UNTIL]m5 Zone    MET             1:00    M-Eur           MET%sf  I # Rule  NAME    FROM  TO    TYPE  IN    ON       AT      SAVE    LETTER/S G Rule    M-Eur   1986  max   -     Mar   lastSun  2:00s   1:00    " DST"CB Rule    M-Eur   1996  max   -     Oct   lastSun  2:00s   0       -  C which is the correct rule. This gets compiled into a TZ string like   $    MET-1MET DST-2,M3.5.0/2,M10.5.0/3  H where the "5.0" stands for "last sunday". It does read "4.0" in VMS 7.3, which means "4th sunday".E  H Read all about it in the System Manager's Manual, the C Run-Time LibraryG Reference Manual, and the C Run-Time Library Utilities Reference Manual ! (this one also in the OS docset).R   cu,R   Martin --  G So long, and thanks        | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmerE4 for all the books...       | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deK In Memoriam Douglas Adams  |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/n;             1952-2001      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.des   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 17:35:37 -0500G3 From: "Jay E. Morris" <morris@thorin.brooks.af.mil> / Subject: TCP/IP 5.1 ECO and reported file size.L4 Message-ID: <3BE187E9.593D1C47@thorin.brooks.af.mil>  H Well, just a warning if you see this type of behaviour.  One of the niceH things added was sending an estimated file size so that FTP clients thatH show a download percentage can do so.  Unfortantly some clients (such asF SmarTerm) also use this file size to test for incomplete file download/ and if the sizes don't match, discard the file.8  9 In the latest version of SmarTerm this can be turned off.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:51:45 -0500n! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>  Subject: tcpip 5.1 neededs8 Message-ID: <5vu3utkuu9mrl1930dsjell9fc5bu1tnt9@4ax.com>  7 ok, even openvms 7.2 doesn't have tcpip 5.1, it has 5.0  and I need 5.1  D I can't see the rational explanation of paying for a 0.1 upgrade (or< patch). I thought only Microsoft tried those kinds of scams.  8 I have a hobbyist license and no maintenance agreements.   there must be a way.   B.    @ -----=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! @  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits!@ -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers!  ==-----   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2001 22:21:23 -0800A From: vmae@themail.com (Van)! Subject: Re: Undo disk Initializei< Message-ID: <a954c96.0111012221.501845e1@posting.google.com>  u system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote in message news:<00A0456F.C7A4E7D9@SendSpamHere.ORG>... V > In article <3BDFF7FB.A6739EE7@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > >Piyush Avichal wrote: EQ > >> Does anyone know of any software or know how to undo the initialization of aMT > >> disk. One of our users has accidently initilized an optical disk. It hasnt been8 > >> written to so the data should still be on the disk. >  > $ BACKUP  ;) >  > B > >Why are you giving users enough privileges to initialise disks? > + > PeeCee or unix admin background no doubt.  > I > >There's no UNFORMAT command available. My first stab at recovering the G > >data would be to create a partition identical in size to the opticalRI > >disk, do a BACKUp/physical, then try a number of the freeware UNDELETE*J > >programs. Providing they don't depend on the INDEXF.SYS and can pick up, > >the file headers, you may have some luck. > H > Nearly all of the VMS undelete utilities rely upon the INDEXF.SYS fileJ > being intact.   During a "DELETE", the bitmaps are modified but the file. > header data remains more or less unchanged.  > I > Having no INDEXF.SYS to tie things together, it would be a *monumental* J > task to scavenge the disk block by block to associate the data that each4 > contains with some previously defined association.   Hi,aF I know very good undeleted utilities R-STUDIO.I used its for restoringE of my files deleted accidantly because hard disk partition structuresm was damaged.? My files have been restored.This program has a few utilites for,B restoring types of file systems. Look site http://www.r-tt.com for more information Best regards   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2001 19:20:05 -0000p= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>e) Subject: Re: VMS at Intel on The Inquirern5 Message-ID: <20011101192005.8609.qmail@gacracker.org>   " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  J On Thu, 01 Nov 2001, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:3 >"Dean Woodward" <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message,$ >news:3BE17515.9B06CAA6@rdrop.com... >> Jan-Erik Svderholm wrote: >> >! >> > An article at The Inquirer :f. >> > (http://www.theinquirer.net/01110105.htm) >> >( >> > Intel's dependent on the Alpha chip >>G >> Where have they been hiding all this time that this is *news*?  I've J >> known that Intel runs it's fabs on VMS, on VAX and more recently Alpha,G >> for over a decade- before I was actually familiar with VMS, for thatl
 >> matter. >> >uI >You've known it, I've known it (and first wrote about it nearly a decadeR6 >ago), but apparently the trade press doesn't know it. > 0 >Sounds like a job for the Marketing Department.  1 Marketing Department? Never heard of them before.-     Doc. - -- e6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it. ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----i Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBO+CCcsriC3SGiziTAQHFIgf+IPKCTXzK0oY5g+p0GLtP6iGxIHZo4kVo@ tP5tkHMDq4+jBIQDcZOWUg70YFNcEIjjuo/VGbrmbtbnvVCYWytBjRU1jVeIeoYy@ 46ePt9jpJQN3/vXYE9zZ0N55/1n63C/MW7Rbzsopg/Ltr7rqUF4kbjNrRPX3JCAc@ sOq2GMXDXSrT9bv/YR7KWCnFjbF9RfM0ejjXl8YE1mTDa+ZMc5UK2kHh9tOP/HWp@ 0rw3jp+fNxsOBvHYK9PAs9T95QK9ov7T9qzKq5YUiZ29KfykjC9V0ou28dIU6mIE8 TluQxUn/ggkfRJrGgUkKup/pY3DFkq4wxG3CWPqKbmkqLoUZrgO+Jg== =QN4w( -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----S   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 21:21:23 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>) Subject: Re: VMS at Intel on The Inquirera9 Message-ID: <n1jE7.396$MI.121415@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>o  J "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message/ news:20011101192005.8609.qmail@gacracker.org... $ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >sL > On Thu, 01 Nov 2001, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:5 > >"Dean Woodward" <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message & > >news:3BE17515.9B06CAA6@rdrop.com... > >> Jan-Erik Svderholm wrote: > >> ># > >> > An article at The Inquirer :m0 > >> > (http://www.theinquirer.net/01110105.htm) > >> >* > >> > Intel's dependent on the Alpha chip > >>I > >> Where have they been hiding all this time that this is *news*?  I'venL > >> known that Intel runs it's fabs on VMS, on VAX and more recently Alpha,I > >> for over a decade- before I was actually familiar with VMS, for thati > >> matter. > >> > >pK > >You've known it, I've known it (and first wrote about it nearly a decade 8 > >ago), but apparently the trade press doesn't know it. > >.2 > >Sounds like a job for the Marketing Department. >t3 > Marketing Department? Never heard of them before.. >   H Shhh... we wouldn't want to violate any Nondisclosure Agreements in this forum, now would we!  J To be fair to Compaq, most every VMS pitch I've seen Rich Marcello deliverH explicitly cites the fact that VMS is used to control ~90 percent of the world's chip production.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 22:42:10 +0100e= From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com> ) Subject: Re: VMS at Intel on The Inquirer/) Message-ID: <3BE1C1B2.370F9BCC@dummy.com>p  9 Yes, but the realy interesting question is, who is seeing-6 these slides ? It might be more or less the same group that reads c.o.v.M  @ I'd think that there is a larger number of non-VMS'ers that read The Inquirer...y   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:: > L > To be fair to Compaq, most every VMS pitch I've seen Rich Marcello deliverJ > explicitly cites the fact that VMS is used to control ~90 percent of the > world's chip production.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:24:18 -05008 From: "Steven Santinelli" <Santinelli@smscompNOSPAM.com>) Subject: Re: VMS at Intel on The InquirerP, Message-ID: <9rsi1h01m37@enews1.newsguy.com>  4 Ummm, Terry -  Worked at Digital/Compaq for Years...   What's Marketing?????e   :^)      Stever      ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messageo3 news:K5gE7.896$kw.454646@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...  >l4 > "Dean Woodward" <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message% > news:3BE17515.9B06CAA6@rdrop.com...- > > Jan-Erik Svderholm wrote:a > > >," > > > An article at The Inquirer :/ > > > (http://www.theinquirer.net/01110105.htm)j > > >:) > > > Intel's dependent on the Alpha chip  > >1H > > Where have they been hiding all this time that this is *news*?  I'veK > > known that Intel runs it's fabs on VMS, on VAX and more recently Alpha, H > > for over a decade- before I was actually familiar with VMS, for that > > matter.  > >e > J > You've known it, I've known it (and first wrote about it nearly a decade7 > ago), but apparently the trade press doesn't know it.o >w1 > Sounds like a job for the Marketing Department.d >o >n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:27:27 -05008 From: "Steven Santinelli" <Santinelli@smscompNOSPAM.com>) Subject: Re: VMS at Intel on The Inquirer9, Message-ID: <9rsi7e01mh7@enews1.newsguy.com>  J I still remember the DEC ad at the Superbowl (Don't remember which year!),, and all my friends going, "What's Digital?!"  ? Yup, that's the company I dreamed of working for as a kid... :)t   Stevea    ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagel3 news:n1jE7.396$MI.121415@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...i >tL > "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message1 > news:20011101192005.8609.qmail@gacracker.org...w& > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >sG > > On Thu, 01 Nov 2001, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>a wrote:7 > > >"Dean Woodward" <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in messaget( > > >news:3BE17515.9B06CAA6@rdrop.com...  > > >> Jan-Erik Svderholm wrote: > > >> >% > > >> > An article at The Inquirer :y2 > > >> > (http://www.theinquirer.net/01110105.htm) > > >> >, > > >> > Intel's dependent on the Alpha chip > > >>K > > >> Where have they been hiding all this time that this is *news*?  I'vecG > > >> known that Intel runs it's fabs on VMS, on VAX and more recentlya Alpha,K > > >> for over a decade- before I was actually familiar with VMS, for thatt > > >> matter. > > >> > > > F > > >You've known it, I've known it (and first wrote about it nearly a decade: > > >ago), but apparently the trade press doesn't know it. > > > 4 > > >Sounds like a job for the Marketing Department. > >t5 > > Marketing Department? Never heard of them before.  > >  > J > Shhh... we wouldn't want to violate any Nondisclosure Agreements in this > forum, now would we! >AL > To be fair to Compaq, most every VMS pitch I've seen Rich Marcello deliverJ > explicitly cites the fact that VMS is used to control ~90 percent of the > world's chip production. >n >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 18:01:39 -0500-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>r) Subject: Re: VMS at Intel on The InquirerU, Message-ID: <3BE1D44C.CAAD9D98@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: L > To be fair to Compaq, most every VMS pitch I've seen Rich Marcello deliverJ > explicitly cites the fact that VMS is used to control ~90 percent of the > world's chip production.    L Whoopty doo. If they aren't allowed to make a VMS add aired on CNN that saysM that Intel is using VMS to run its important stuff, then this interesting usea of VMS is moot.   N Also, while it is cool to have VMS do that job, that software doesn't bring inY new customers. If they ported SAP to VMS however, that might bring in many new customers.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 23:40:43 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>) Subject: Re: VMS at Intel on The Inquirern9 Message-ID: <%3lE7.417$MI.185316@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>n  C "Steven Santinelli" <Santinelli@smscompNOSPAM.com> wrote in messagep& news:9rsi1h01m37@enews1.newsguy.com...6 > Ummm, Terry -  Worked at Digital/Compaq for Years... >s > What's Marketing?????  >p > :^)z  L Well, being as I must remain objective all I can do is point out that CompaqJ (and Digital before it) invest(ed) big bags of money in what they referred to as "marketing."  B IMHO those resources could be leveraged far more effectively, thusJ generating a far better return on the marketing dollar. But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 00:02:30 -0500e' From: Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org>i) Subject: Re: VMS at Intel on The Inquirerc, Message-ID: <3BE228E6.CAC75F40@ui.urban.org>   Steven Santinelli wrote: > L > I still remember the DEC ad at the Superbowl (Don't remember which year!),. > and all my friends going, "What's Digital?!"  C I can't even remember now whether this tale was true or apocryphal,sF but there was ostensibly a conversation that went something like this:   A: Who makes this software?  B: Digital.e& A: Digital? You mean that's a company? B: Yes.eA A: Wow. I have one of their watches! I didn't know it was a brandt name!    --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)3' Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/)h. ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2001 14:09:33 -0600l- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)I Subject: Re: vms mail questions 3 Message-ID: <8JLbmcycxWcn@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  \ In article <qu53uts2v3o3aa2ue0dpd2qd626nublviq@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:B > With VMS mail, how do you setup aliases or .forward type things?  = For best results, you should describe what you want in posts,s> rather than assuming those reading it know the lingo from some other operating system.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:26:34 GMTw2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: vms mail questionsm3 Message-ID: <_diE7.1222$RL6.23897@news.cpqcorp.net>   \ In article <qu53uts2v3o3aa2ue0dpd2qd626nublviq@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:A :With VMS mail, how do you setup aliases or .forward type things?      MAIL> HELP SET FORWARD    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:41:59 GMT 4 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com> Subject: Re: vms mail questions-A Message-ID: <rsiE7.285881$bY5.1114266@news-server.bigpond.net.au>r   The .forward is acheived via:e       MAIL> SET FORWARD ....   The .alias is achieved via:D  1     MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=aliasname realusername    Matt.i    . "Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message2 news:qu53uts2v3o3aa2ue0dpd2qd626nublviq@4ax.com...B > With VMS mail, how do you setup aliases or .forward type things? >e > B. >a >fB > -----=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =-----C > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!yB >  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits!B > -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers!  ==-----   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 18:34:42 -0500w! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>n Subject: Re: vms mail questions 8 Message-ID: <gum3ut0mapjau3ll9lliktafca06e1gkp6@4ax.com>  ' Does this work with non-existant users?O6 Like I want my account with several different aliases?E can aliases be email addresses that don't exist on the current system3 (internet email addresses) ?  - like: root is an alias to system for example,y7 or root is an alias to someguy@hotmail.com for example.    THANKS!    B.3 On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:41:59 GMT, "Matt Muggeridge"E# <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com> wrote:Y   >The .forward is acheived via: >T >    MAIL> SET FORWARD ....  >  >The .alias is achieved via: >02 >    MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=aliasname realusername >a >Matt. >s >0/ >"Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in messagec3 >news:qu53uts2v3o3aa2ue0dpd2qd626nublviq@4ax.com...3C >> With VMS mail, how do you setup aliases or .forward type things?  >> >> B.i >> >>C >> -----=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =-----aD >> http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!C >>  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits!cC >> -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers!  ==-----o >e      @ -----=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!t@  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits!@ -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers!  ==-----   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2001 17:49:17 -0600o- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t Subject: Re: vms mail questions83 Message-ID: <eGtmYml5HJRe@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  \ In article <gum3ut0mapjau3ll9lliktafca06e1gkp6@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:) > Does this work with non-existant users?d8 > Like I want my account with several different aliases?G > can aliases be email addresses that don't exist on the current systemn > (internet email addresses) ? > / > like: root is an alias to system for example,a9 > or root is an alias to someguy@hotmail.com for example.-  W http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/6489/6489pro_contents_002.html#toc_chapter_6:   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2001 02:43:41 GMT@5 From: ccburgess@uqstu.jdstory.uq.edu.au (Ian Burgess), Subject: Re: vms mail questions . Message-ID: <9rt18t$nqs$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>  \ In article <gum3ut0mapjau3ll9lliktafca06e1gkp6@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:( >Does this work with non-existant users?7 >Like I want my account with several different aliases?NF >can aliases be email addresses that don't exist on the current system >(internet email addresses) ?e >r. >like: root is an alias to system for example,8 >or root is an alias to someguy@hotmail.com for example. >D >THANKS! >e >>The .forward is acheived via:- >> >>    MAIL> SET FORWARD .... >> >>The .alias is achieved via:c >>3 >>    MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=aliasname realusername  >> >>Matt.0  C Yes it works with non-existent users, but you need SYSPRV to do it.h+  sho forw /user= requires SYSNAM privilege.0  ! For someguy@hotmail.com you need    4  MAIL> set forw /user=guy smtp%"someguy@hotmail.com" or8  MAIL> set forw /user=guy "smtp%""someguy@hotmail.com"""- depending on the version of OpenVMS you have.o   Do  MAIL> show forward /user=guy  to check that it looks like...6  GUY  has mail forwarded to SMTP%"someguy@hotmail.com"    Ian.   Ian Burgess  University of Queensland I.Burgess[at]its.uq.edu.au www.its.uq.edu.auv   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2001 03:44:56 GMTn- From: Joe Heimann <heimann@nog.ecs.umass.edu>n Subject: Re: vms mail questionsf, Message-ID: <9rt4ro$39a$1@odo.ecs.umass.edu>  " Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote:) > Does this work with non-existant users?y8 > Like I want my account with several different aliases?G > can aliases be email addresses that don't exist on the current systemt > (internet email addresses) ?  / > like: root is an alias to system for example,i9 > or root is an alias to someguy@hotmail.com for example.g  I Yes, this can work with aliases for "non-existent" accounts.  There are aeH number of them set up on the systems I have here.  The mail profile dataI file is separate from the user authorization file, and the records do nots have to match.    Joe  	 > THANKS!s   > B.5 > On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:41:59 GMT, "Matt Muggeridge" % > <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com> wrote:d   >>The .forward is acheived via:e >> >>    MAIL> SET FORWARD .... >> >>The .alias is achieved via:  >>3 >>    MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=aliasname realusernamee >> >>Matt.r >> >>0 >>"Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message4 >>news:qu53uts2v3o3aa2ue0dpd2qd626nublviq@4ax.com...D >>> With VMS mail, how do you setup aliases or .forward type things? >>>u >>> B. >>>- >>>sD >>> -----=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =-----E >>> http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!ED >>>  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits!D >>> -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers!  ==----- >>      B > -----=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =-----C > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!nB >  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits!B > -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers!  ==-----   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2001 06:12:05 GMTr- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)w Subject: RE: VT520 Setup5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-SLTlZIw94beo@localhost>'  C On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:27:02, Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com> r wrote:  D > To disable the F3 Set-up key (or any other - We often do F5 Break) >  > Go into Set-up > ! > Choose Keyboard then Define Keyo > Press F3 (unshifted)+ > Set the function to 'No function' & Apply " > Save the changes and exit set-upK > You can no-longer get into set-up (short of pulling the battery inside toQ > default the set-up)L > L > Because I don't like pulling the back off terminals - I define another keyL > sequence to Set-up before doing the above. I use alt sh Ctrl F3 (4 keys to7 > get in to set-up normally fools the 2 finger typists)3  7 I like that. I might apply it to our VAX/ELN consoles. E   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:36:54 GMT-2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)- Subject: Re: Web Browser for OpenVMS 1.5-1H1?n3 Message-ID: <GniE7.1223$RL6.23661@news.cpqcorp.net>   k In article <de844d64.0111011045.f02dee1@posting.google.com>, dframeli@aus.telusa.com (Dale Frameli) writes:S? :Is there a web browser that will work with OpenVMS v1.5-1H1?  2  J   xmosaic V1.0 was announced 22-Apr-1993 and porting to various platforms L   was underway, and V1.5-1H1 shipped in 18-Oct-1993.  You're really running K   an operating system version that is back at the very edge of the web, in AH   other words.  DECwindows V1.2-4 was the first release to incorporate aI   web browser, specifically Spyglass emosaic -- that release won't run on>   V1.5-1H1.l  J   If you have a C compiler for this ancient OpenVMS release, you can grab A   a copy of mosaic off the OpenVMS Freeware, and try a back-port.   J   That said, I'd definitely consider an upgrade to OpenVMS Alpha V6.2, or L   to current.  If you want Java, you're definitely going to need to upgrade.M   An upgrade will probably be as easy (or easier) as hauling stuff backwards.b  + :  Please reply to: dframeli@aus.telusa.com      Ask here, get an answer here.M    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 23:14:11 +0000a% From: "a.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>r/ Subject: Re: X.25 profile documentation wanted.d' Message-ID: <3BE1D743.97993A22@iee.org>T   Alan Greig wrote:-B > When was the last sale date for the DECNIS? If it was later thanG > 1-FEB-1996 then support should not have ended on 1-FEB-2001 according C > to the letter we received signed by Michael Capellas. An absolutemF > minimum of 5 years hardware and software support should be availableG > after date of last sale although I am still awaiting clarification onp@ > Storageworks items which have ben retired from full support in > violation of this promise.  > I don't have an official date handy but 1996 is way too early. 1998/1999 would be much closer.2  C > Or did the DECNIS go to DNPG? If so do they not still support it?.  + By now, DECnis support may be being done byP& DNPG - but since your support contract' (if any) will be with COMPAQ, it shouldl0 not matter to you where the call gets redirected after that.v   AntonioT   --     ---------------n- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org8   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.609 ************************