1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 03 Nov 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 611       Contents:- Re: Access Violation in Global Section memory  Re: Alpha 2100s for free Re: Compaq goes back to school Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: DEC C and DECUS - DECWindows not starting after patches applied 1 Re: DECWindows not starting after patches applied ( Erasing a  software write locked tape... error: to few servers detected" Re: error: to few servers detected" Re: error: to few servers detected" Re: error: to few servers detected" RE: error: to few servers detected" Re: error: to few servers detected" Re: error: to few servers detectedP Re: How to connect a DS20 to a Fibre  channel SAN switch an that one to a hsg80?/ How to discern port to configure Canon printer? 3 Re: How to discern port to configure Canon printer? 6 Re: Intel uses Alpha - OpenVMS to make pentiums!  WOW! Re: Pathworks32  Re: Pathworks32  Re: remote booting a VXT! Re: savesets,  CDs and attributes  SSH for VMS? Re: SSH for VMS? Re: SSH for VMS?% Re: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM  Re: tcpip 5.1 needed Re: Undo disk Initialize* Re: V7.2-2 in Canada? Release date in USA?  Re: VMS at Intel on The Inquirer  Re: VMS at Intel on The Inquirer& Re: X.25 profile documentation wanted.& Re: X.25 profile documentation wanted.& Re: X.25 profile documentation wanted.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 21:35:44 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) 6 Subject: Re: Access Violation in Global Section memory7 Message-ID: <914DAEDC3warrenspencer1977@207.126.101.97>   @ mark@*NO*SPAM*.co.uk (Mark Williams) wrote in <3be15f1a.22510238 @news.force9.net>:   >Hi, >  >[OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1] > G >We are experiencing a weird problem in that we get sometimes an access D >violation for an address in a global section.  For example we had aE >situation where we had created a global section of 32768 bytes which E >was mapped into the virtual address range of 0x566000-0x56DFFF. When G >the global section was accessed we got the following access violation:  > < >%SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=04, virtual; >address=000000000056C000, PC=000000000003BB00, PS=0000001B  > 3 >  Improperly handled condition, image exit forced. 2 >    Signal arguments:   Number = 00000000000000052 >                        Name   = 000000000000000C2 >                                 00000000000000042 >                                 000000000056C0002 >                                 000000000003BB002 >                                 000000000000001B >  >    Register dump: : >    R0  = 0000000000000001  R1  = 000000000056C000  R2  = >0000000000011660 : >    R3  = 000000000056A60C  R4  = 000000000056A620  R5  = >00000000000000B8 : >    R6  = 00000000000000C8  R7  = 00000000665F3704  R8  = >0000000000006240 : >    R9  = 0000000000000001  R10 = 0000000000000006  R11 = >000000007AEFEC84 : >    R12 = 0000000000000004  R13 = 0000000000000007  R14 = >000000007AEFFD50 : >    R15 = 000000007AEFF088  R16 = 000000000056BFDC  R17 = >0000000000000001 : >    R18 = 0000000000000001  R19 = FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF  R20 = >0000000000000000 : >    R21 = 000000007BB806F0  R22 = 0000000000000000  R23 = >0000000000000000 : >    R24 = 0000000000000000  R25 = 0000000000000002  R26 = >000000000003BAEC : >    R27 = 000000007BB786C0  R28 = 0000000000045094  R29 = >000000007AEFD1C0 : >    SP  = 000000007AEFD1C0  PC  = 000000000003BB00  PS  = >000000000000001B  > D >Any ideas? (This problem only seems to happen on a fast machine and# >does not occur on our test system.  >  >TIA,  >  >Mark Williams >   G Any chance you're using asynchronous completion on the call to map the  J section?  If so, you might be attempting to access the section before the  map operation has completed.   ws   --     Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)  The Associated Press  L ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements - neither do I  **   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:52:40 -0500 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>! Subject: Re: Alpha 2100s for free + Message-ID: <3BE315A8.5CF2B8E0@rtfmcsi.com>    Rich Durkee wrote:  E > My company has two 2100 Alphaservers in a cluster that we no longer G > need. There doesn't seem to be much market value for them, so we will F > probably just trash them...SOON. If anyone has a use for this systemE > and is willing to pay packing and shipping charges let me know. The F > system has about 20 1Gb an 2GB disks and HSD contollers. There is no= > tape drive. If you want more information, please call me at  > 810-606-6706. 
 > Rich Durkee    Rich,   H Judging by your area code, you're in or near Macomb county, Michigan, orH at least somewhere to the north of metropolitan Detroit.  Check with theE IT staff at Lawrence Technological University to see if they would be E willing to accept your AlphaServer hardware as a donation.  They have G traditionally been a big VMS shop and they used to be the host site for D our DECUS LUG meetings [MIVAX LUG and then later on MI.DECUS].  They1 might be interested in your AlphaServer hardware.   @ If the LTU folks are not interested and you don't find any otherH educational institutions that want the systems then I'd be interested in them myself.     Regards,   Chuck  -- Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager7                                   8007740718@skytel.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 19:07:26 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>' Subject: Re: Compaq goes back to school , Message-ID: <3BE3353E.8000901@tsoft-inc.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:    J > Yes, but for every success story there is also a failure story (Hmmm. is$ > this a corolary of Newton's Law??) > L > A briefing paper passed out by our head of IT yesterday included this gem:M >   5. VMS operating system...we're beginning to look at potential transition Q >       plans away from VMS to other operating systems in a three-year timeframe.  > E > A parking lot conversation with the next lower level of mamnagement H > responsible for this said the front runner was IBM (funny really, thisI > was a totally Blue shop administratively when I came here ~15 years ago H > and VMS displaced them.) and the primary reason was the uncertainty of6 > the future of VMS.  We currently use Oracle and SCT.    F I wouldn't blame anyone for having contingency plans, should the need  for them arise.  Maybe several.   G I sure wouldn't go to the effort before knowing that it was necessary.  < That's not good business.  That's spending money needlessly.    / Uncertain future is not 'certain to disappear'.      Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 19:45:58 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees? C Message-ID: <WJCE7.118642$b47.12643424@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   3 Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message # news:3BE2A27D.7CBD1E69@127.0.0.1...    ...   I > I dunno, some people make it their business to find the black side of a  > sunny day.  I While others insist that it's sunny as long as they can see their hand in L front of their face (i.e., the sun *must* be out there somewhere if it's not pitch black - yet).    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 19:57:00 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees? C Message-ID: <gUCE7.118714$b47.12650235@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   0 Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:usr4uto8ljgrf5svf253r9vl6b79hjo4k9@4ax.com... >  > Just found the following:  > L http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/download/customer_assurance_facts_1 .0.doc  I Aside from the other observations, it's significant that the "AlphaServer J Product Continuity Guarantee" specifies a *credit* rather than a *refund*.J The former will be useful to a customer only if cHomPaq happens to offer aK palatable alternative at a comparable price, whereas the latter would truly D protect the customer's investment by letting him/her shop around for- whatever replacement seemed most appropriate.   K After all, replacing the product at all because the new owner won't live up J to the 'commitments' of the previous one (which is what this is supposedlyE all about:  as long as the product remains viable - as promised - the J 'guarantee' doesn't kick in) is a sufficient pain without having to chooseK between throwing the purchase price away and accepting something you really  don't want.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 20:12:25 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees? 9 Message-ID: <J6DE7.822$MI.558632@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message = news:gUCE7.118714$b47.12650235@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...  > 2 > Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message4 > news:usr4uto8ljgrf5svf253r9vl6b79hjo4k9@4ax.com... > >  > > Just found the following:  > >  > L http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/download/customer_assurance_facts_1 > .0.doc > K > Aside from the other observations, it's significant that the "AlphaServer L > Product Continuity Guarantee" specifies a *credit* rather than a *refund*.  L Yeah, it's significant all right. I doubt Compaq or ANY company could affordJ to maintain a liability such as would arise from a potential multi-billionF dollar money back guarantee. The company's stockholders would not look kindly on such a promise.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 20:29:27 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees? ? Message-ID: <HmDE7.648697$Lw3.41118999@news2.aus1.giganews.com>   = Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 3 news:J6DE7.822$MI.558632@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...  > 7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message ? > news:gUCE7.118714$b47.12650235@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...  > > 4 > > Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message6 > > news:usr4uto8ljgrf5svf253r9vl6b79hjo4k9@4ax.com... > > >  > > > Just found the following:  > > >  > >  > L http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/download/customer_assurance_facts_1
 > > .0.doc > > @ > > Aside from the other observations, it's significant that the "AlphaServerD > > Product Continuity Guarantee" specifies a *credit* rather than a	 *refund*.  > G > Yeah, it's significant all right. I doubt Compaq or ANY company could  affordL > to maintain a liability such as would arise from a potential multi-billionH > dollar money back guarantee. The company's stockholders would not look > kindly on such a promise.   I Indeed - God forbid Compaq should put its (or HP's) money where its mouth J is.  After all, holding cHomPaq to Compaq's promises to its customers withE such a guarantee would be like holding the stockholders hostage to an C undesired merger by specifying a $675 million withdrawal penalty...    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:25:58 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees? , Message-ID: <3BE30F65.74142A90@videotron.ca>   Bob Koehler wrote:@ >    DII-COE and existing contracts probably prevent Compaq from" >    dropping all support for VMS.  L Not quite. If you only have 5 customers to support under DII-COE, all in theT USA, then you don't need the worldwide support infrastructure that currently exists.  K Compaq and HP have the real numbers for VMS, and it is a sure bet that they K will not jeoperdize the revenus it generates until they are reasonably sure M that they will keep a sufficient number of customers to warrant shutting down 0 the VMS support infrastructure around the world.  K The one big variable in this is the sale of VMS technology and engineers to H Microsoft. The monetary and other advantages of such a transaction might$ outweight the loss of VMS customers.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 21:38:30 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees? 9 Message-ID: <qnEE7.859$MI.581058@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message 9 news:HmDE7.648697$Lw3.41118999@news2.aus1.giganews.com...  > ? > Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message     I > > Yeah, it's significant all right. I doubt Compaq or ANY company could  > afford@ > > to maintain a liability such as would arise from a potential
 multi-billion J > > dollar money back guarantee. The company's stockholders would not look > > kindly on such a promise.  > K > Indeed - God forbid Compaq should put its (or HP's) money where its mouth L > is.  After all, holding cHomPaq to Compaq's promises to its customers withG > such a guarantee would be like holding the stockholders hostage to an E > undesired merger by specifying a $675 million withdrawal penalty...  >   L OK, point taken. Moved, that Compaq must create a Special Escrow Fund, equalE to the sales price of each and every system and option covered by the J customer assurance guarantee. The existence of this fund would ensure thatH funds are available to promptly reimburse every customer who demands the return of their money.  J Naturally this Special Escrow Fund would cover the original purchase priceL of all products subject to the Guarantee. No depreciation, since that exists only in the real world.   K Since Compaq has three billion or so in the bank right now, the firm should G be able to cover the cost of the Fund for perhaps six months (note that J StorageWorks already has a 110 percent Guarantee). After all, that money's sitting around doing nothing.   G All well and good. But where does the company go to get the incremental K dollars it'll need for the escrow fund once the three billion worth of cash  in the bank is tapped out?  H Absent an answer to this question, the proposal is a veritable piata ofH asininity, worthy of being whacked from many an angle. Motion withdrawn.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 19:26:38 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees? , Message-ID: <3BE339BE.1040206@tsoft-inc.com>   > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >>Alan Greig wrote:  >>U >>>http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/download/customer_assurance_facts_1.0.doc  >>> E >>>I'll leave comments for later save for one: Am I reading correctly C >>>that if HP terminate VMS only one year of support is guaranteed?  >>> J >>That is what the text says. But in all fairness, unless this document isP >>signed as a legal contract, I don't believe any commitment made in it, whetherO >>good or bad. For one thing, Compaq has become irrelevant and anything it does N >>between now and the merger is moot since HP will be free to change things asN >>it wants. I am reminded by a "suggestion" by the local Compaq folks during aO >>presentation to customers a few weeks ago where twice the suggestion was made O >>to get contracts signed on paper now. (eg: before merger) because there was a , >>commitment to honour all signed contracts.  " Took a look, and am highly amused.  * Money Back Customer Satisfaction GuaranteeM If the transition to an Itanium^(TM) processor family system running OpenVMS  @ or the planned converged enterprise UNIX does not meet customer M expectations, Compaq will take back the Itanium^(TM) processor family system    and refund its purchase price(1)  I And when Intel has problems running their fabs on IA-64, I'd really loke  0 to be present when they return the systems.  :-)  ( AlphaServer Product Continuity GuaranteeD If the EV68 AlphaServer ES or GS family, from which you purchase or A lease a product, is terminated following the consummation of the pI proposed merger with HP, the customer may receive a trade-in credit on a gB replacement product that amounts to 110% of the original purchase I price.(2)  Also, the terminated product will continue to be serviced and  A supported for five years following end-of-life notification if a n4 hardware product, or one year if a software product.  F Wondering whether IBM and SUN will be honoring these trade-in credits.   :-)t  F All it would have taken was a slightly better handled transition.  Do = the port first, then if it works, think about dropping Alpha.    Dave   -- o4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 19:28:44 -0500a( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees?M* Message-ID: <3BE33A3C.50400@tsoft-inc.com>   Terry C. Shannon wrote:n  7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messageS? > news:gUCE7.118714$b47.12650235@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...u > 2 >>Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message4 >>news:usr4uto8ljgrf5svf253r9vl6b79hjo4k9@4ax.com... >> >>>Just found the following: >>>- >>>-N > http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/download/customer_assurance_facts_1 >  >>.0.doc >>K >>Aside from the other observations, it's significant that the "AlphaServereL >>Product Continuity Guarantee" specifies a *credit* rather than a *refund*. >> > N > Yeah, it's significant all right. I doubt Compaq or ANY company could affordL > to maintain a liability such as would arise from a potential multi-billionH > dollar money back guarantee. The company's stockholders would not look > kindly on such a promise.t  h So then it's just words, not a real commitment.  They have no faith in their planned products or future.    7 Actually, it sure would be a nice 'pill' to hand to HP.s     Dave   -- l4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 02:27:55 GMT0* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees? ? Message-ID: <LCIE7.2771$7x1.333831@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   = Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message03 news:qnEE7.859$MI.581058@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...0 >07 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message ; > news:HmDE7.648697$Lw3.41118999@news2.aus1.giganews.com...  > >0A > > Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messageR >= >0K > > > Yeah, it's significant all right. I doubt Compaq or ANY company could 
 > > affordB > > > to maintain a liability such as would arise from a potential > multi-billion L > > > dollar money back guarantee. The company's stockholders would not look > > > kindly on such a promise.R > >FG > > Indeed - God forbid Compaq should put its (or HP's) money where itsR mouth0I > > is.  After all, holding cHomPaq to Compaq's promises to its customers= withI > > such a guarantee would be like holding the stockholders hostage to an0G > > undesired merger by specifying a $675 million withdrawal penalty...P > >0 >0H > OK, point taken. Moved, that Compaq must create a Special Escrow Fund,  L I believe you're missing the point (after all, did Compaq and HP each create9 Special Escrow Funds for the merger-withdrawal penalty?).   J The need to refund is 100% under the control of the owner of the products:L if they stand by their 'commitments', no refunds will occur.  Thus an actualK refund guarantee would jeopardize the owner only in the event that it chose H to *break* those 'commitments' (which one could reasonably expect helpedL convince customers into purchasing the products in the first place, else whyJ would those 'commitments' have been offered?):  while for customers it's aI method of 'making them whole' after such an injury, for the product owner G it's simply an inducement to deliver on what it has promised - which iseI hardly unreasonable, and, as I said, an eminently-controllable 'exposure'rK which would bankrupt the owner only if it were so galactically stupid as tor renege.t  F Why some people (especially those who have now sworn never to purchaseB another Compaq product and hence have little to lose in terms of aK continuing relationship with the company) haven't instituted a class action08 suit over the broken commitments [sic] in the published,H publicly-displayed-for-years, official (from two VPs) Heil/Lipcom letterI (some of which were unequivocably specific, such as the promise of SMT inTD EV8) is beyond me; perhaps a lawyer could explain it.  In any event,L whatever promises Compaq may make (including its current ones) would clearlyK need to be somewhat more legally binding than what it has offered so far if D they're to be given any more weight than the many promises it has so cavalierly broken in the past.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 02:30:02 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees?-; Message-ID: <KEIE7.3289$kw.1359673@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>w  5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message2& news:3BE339BE.1040206@tsoft-inc.com...   >0G > All it would have taken was a slightly better handled transition.  Dof? > the port first, then if it works, think about dropping Alpha.  >   J Makes sense on the surface, but I believe CPQ got a much better deal from,L and much more leverage with, INTC by announcing the end of the Alpha roadmap when they did.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 02:34:31 GMT.4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees?f; Message-ID: <XIIE7.3292$kw.1362352@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messager9 news:LCIE7.2771$7x1.333831@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...  >i? > Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messageM5 > news:qnEE7.859$MI.581058@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...  > > 9 > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messagea= > > news:HmDE7.648697$Lw3.41118999@news2.aus1.giganews.com...M > > > C > > > Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messageh > >1 > >rG > > > > Yeah, it's significant all right. I doubt Compaq or ANY companyi could  > > > affordD > > > > to maintain a liability such as would arise from a potential > > multi-billionnI > > > > dollar money back guarantee. The company's stockholders would notd look! > > > > kindly on such a promise.i > > >eI > > > Indeed - God forbid Compaq should put its (or HP's) money where its  > mouthiK > > > is.  After all, holding cHomPaq to Compaq's promises to its customers  > withK > > > such a guarantee would be like holding the stockholders hostage to an5I > > > undesired merger by specifying a $675 million withdrawal penalty...  > > >7 > >mJ > > OK, point taken. Moved, that Compaq must create a Special Escrow Fund, >,G > I believe you're missing the point (after all, did Compaq and HP eachu create; > Special Escrow Funds for the merger-withdrawal penalty?).4 >nL > The need to refund is 100% under the control of the owner of the products:G > if they stand by their 'commitments', no refunds will occur.  Thus anp actualG > refund guarantee would jeopardize the owner only in the event that ite chosesJ > to *break* those 'commitments' (which one could reasonably expect helpedJ > convince customers into purchasing the products in the first place, else why L > would those 'commitments' have been offered?):  while for customers it's aK > method of 'making them whole' after such an injury, for the product ownereI > it's simply an inducement to deliver on what it has promised - which is K > hardly unreasonable, and, as I said, an eminently-controllable 'exposure'rJ > which would bankrupt the owner only if it were so galactically stupid as to	 > renege.p >nH > Why some people (especially those who have now sworn never to purchaseD > another Compaq product and hence have little to lose in terms of aF > continuing relationship with the company) haven't instituted a class action: > suit over the broken commitments [sic] in the published,J > publicly-displayed-for-years, official (from two VPs) Heil/Lipcom letterK > (some of which were unequivocably specific, such as the promise of SMT inv7 > EV8) is beyond me; perhaps a lawyer could explain it.p  G I've asked the only legal type that I know (my kid, who won't become anmK official Corporate Lawyer for another few months) about the ins and outs ofs5 Class Action Lawsuits and have yet to get a response.   K Presumably it costs money to retain counsel for a class action. And neithereJ Mssrs. Lipcon nor Heil work for CPQ any more. Dunno whether their promisesH re: SMT et al can be regarded as a contractual agreement, perhaps a moreD legally astute denizen of this group could shed light on the matter.   Any takers?:   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 02:44:58 GMTi* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees?C@ Message-ID: <KSIE7.44936$U7.3379128@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  = Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagef5 news:KEIE7.3289$kw.1359673@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...t >f7 > "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messagep( > news:3BE339BE.1040206@tsoft-inc.com... >0 > > I > > All it would have taken was a slightly better handled transition.  DorA > > the port first, then if it works, think about dropping Alpha.h > >* >uL > Makes sense on the surface, but I believe CPQ got a much better deal from,F > and much more leverage with, INTC by announcing the end of the Alpha roadmapn > when they did.  7 Which, plus a buck or so, will buy you a cup of coffee.d  L We don't seem to have seen any cash influx from Intel for the deal in the Q3J results, which suggests that any compensation may have been in the form ofG discounts.  But we don't see any profit from Intel-based products in Q3a( either, so what does that leave us with?  L There's a very real question whether Intel has anything of significant valueJ to offer Compaq.  It apparently can't compete with AMD on IA32 pricing, soG unless AMD can be deprecated or destroyed there's really nothing it canlL offer Compaq in the low end short of selling IA32 processors at a large lossK (anything less wouldn't noticeably affect total system cost) - just to make L them cost-competitive with anyone else's AMD systems.  And the value of IA64L has yet to be established:  it certainly doesn't promise to *do* anything asJ well as, let alone as cost-effectively as, its competition - ever, and itsH inability to run IA32 code at competitive speeds makes any claim that it will replace IA32 laughable.  J I suppose you could say that *now that Compaq has wholly committed to IA64I as a platform* Intel can do it some favors, but given that it abandoned aoK far better platform (including one that has the demonstrated ability to runlC IA32 code far faster than Merced can...) to obtain those favors theH. reasoning behind the decision remains obscure.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 22:57:06 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees?-, Message-ID: <3BE36B08.AC1778EF@videotron.ca>   Bill Todd wrote:L > The need to refund is 100% under the control of the owner of the products:  G Refunds if not satisfied won't really be needed. With the remaining VMSIK customer base made of of very large shops, they'll wait until they see realuS benchmarks with the IA64 before spending the millions to begin a migration project.l  K This "money back garantee" may work on the commodity retail PC world, but Ir7 doubt it would be taken seriously by large enterprises.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 04:25:38 GMTg4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees?s; Message-ID: <6lKE7.3357$kw.1397274@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>u  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messageh: news:KSIE7.44936$U7.3379128@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... >t? > Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messageh7 > news:KEIE7.3289$kw.1359673@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...- > >a9 > > "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message"* > > news:3BE339BE.1040206@tsoft-inc.com... > >  > > >eK > > > All it would have taken was a slightly better handled transition.  DodC > > > the port first, then if it works, think about dropping Alpha.1 > > >n > >aH > > Makes sense on the surface, but I believe CPQ got a much better deal from, H > > and much more leverage with, INTC by announcing the end of the Alpha	 > roadmapl > > when they did. >i9 > Which, plus a buck or so, will buy you a cup of coffee.t >iK > We don't seem to have seen any cash influx from Intel for the deal in the  Q3L > results, which suggests that any compensation may have been in the form ofI > discounts.  But we don't see any profit from Intel-based products in Q3C* > either, so what does that leave us with?  D At present, zip/zero/nada. I haven't a clue how the finances will beK handled, but I understand that triple-digit millions will be made availableKI to CPQ from the Itanium Porting Fund. Of course, this fund benefits folks I who port their software to IPF, so the ultimate recipient of the largesset may be ISVs.  I Then again, VMS and Tru64 and NSK software, so some money could be coming I CPQ's way once the IPF ports get started. (When this actually takes place.H remains uncertain; see my musings about IA-64 Erratum at www.tru64.org).   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 05:06:02 GMTa* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees? ? Message-ID: <_WKE7.3519$7x1.448648@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>f  8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3BE36B08.AC1778EF@videotron.ca... > Bill Todd wrote:D > > The need to refund is 100% under the control of the owner of the	 products:  >tI > Refunds if not satisfied won't really be needed. With the remaining VMSeH > customer base made of of very large shops, they'll wait until they see realL > benchmarks with the IA64 before spending the millions to begin a migration project.  F I don't think you understood the guarantee:  it had nothing to do withC satisfaction with the products (which were Alpha products, not IA64-J replacements) but with failure on cHomPaq's part to continue to supply andH support those Alpha products according to the (newest) 'commitments' forK Alpha product lifetimes (i.e., the guarantee was that if cHomPaq decided to E stop honoring its newest 'commitments' for Alpha's period in hospice,rJ customers could obtain at least *some* relief for that latest infidelity).  L Not that the details may matter much:  as I said earlier, it's not clear whyC this latest 'guarantee' has any more legal standing, or is any more L credible, than all the previous promises, commitments, assurances, etc. that Compaq has broken.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 05:42:36 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees?i; Message-ID: <gtLE7.3437$kw.1420394@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>s  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messager9 news:_WKE7.3519$7x1.448648@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...s >e: > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3BE36B08.AC1778EF@videotron.ca... > > Bill Todd wrote:F > > > The need to refund is 100% under the control of the owner of the > products:r > >NK > > Refunds if not satisfied won't really be needed. With the remaining VMSTJ > > customer base made of of very large shops, they'll wait until they see > realD > > benchmarks with the IA64 before spending the millions to begin a	 migration 
 > project. >eH > I don't think you understood the guarantee:  it had nothing to do withE > satisfaction with the products (which were Alpha products, not IA64eL > replacements) but with failure on cHomPaq's part to continue to supply andJ > support those Alpha products according to the (newest) 'commitments' forJ > Alpha product lifetimes (i.e., the guarantee was that if cHomPaq decided toG > stop honoring its newest 'commitments' for Alpha's period in hospice,-L > customers could obtain at least *some* relief for that latest infidelity). > J > Not that the details may matter much:  as I said earlier, it's not clear why E > this latest 'guarantee' has any more legal standing, or is any more I > credible, than all the previous promises, commitments, assurances, etc.- that > Compaq has broken. >   K I still don't see why Compaq or cHomPaq or Hewlett PAQard would scuttle the J Alpha products in question. Much of the heavy lifting has been done on EV7K and the Marvel platform; 32-way Marvels are up and running in the labs now. C The platform seems to be on track for a late 2002-early 2003 debut.sH Cancelling the project would seal the fate of VMS since the VMS/IPF portJ won't be street-ready until 2003-4 and the IPF hardware that's supposed toI run the OS (the post-Marvel Blade and fabric server family) won't see thes light of day until 2004-5.  H The revenue (and margin) cost associated with the hypothetical MarvelousJ Interruptus would be extremely high, especially given that the majority of the R&D is a done deal already.p  H Where would Compaq or cHomPaq or Hewlett PAQard turn to make up for this/ lost revenue and margin? Windoze boxes? Hardly.l   ------------------------------    Date: 03 Nov 2001 01:47:20 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: DEC C and DECUS- Message-ID: <87n125qd3r.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   + "DigiDemon" <digidemon@hotmail.com> writes:m  F > qhaven't a clue what those are :-D).  What I AM looking for is for aC > proggie that will find open files.  When I do a nightly backup of,   SHO DEV/FILE <device>T   No programing needed.r     -- p< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 NOV 2001 19:43:32 GMT,+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> 6 Subject: DECWindows not starting after patches applied1 Message-ID: <2NOV01.19433208@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>s  C I just applied an identical series of patches to the 4 systems in aiF cluster.  All the systems are running VMS 7.2-1.  The patches includedF VMS721_DW_MOT_MUP-V0100 and its VMS721_UPDATE-V0300 prerequisite.  TheC DECWindows login page does not display on 3 of those systems, whilenC it does on the 4th.  I'm miles from the systems, but I'm told the 3 C displays are all black.  I can see that each of the 3 systems has a E process with username SYSTEM, process name "_WSA1:" running LOGINOUT.iA If I try to do @DECW$STARTUP RESTART I get a second such process.y  G WINDOW_SYSTEM =1 on all systems and there is a DECW$SERVER_0 process on E all systems (in LEF state on the 3 "broken" systems, HIB state on theoD 4th).  The DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG file is open on all 4 systems but@ has a size of 0/0 on the 3 "broken" systems.  All 4 systems haveF licenses with sufficient units (DW_MOTIF for 2 of the "broken" systems: and NET-APP-SUP-150 for the 3rd "broken" and 4th systems).  D What would cause the DECW$SERVER_0 to start, but apparently not comeC all the way up?  I would expect a quota or sysgen parameter problem ) to cause it to die, not sit in LEF state.l   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV:H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 15:15:32 -0800 < From: "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <Kenneth.H.Fairfield@intel.com>: Subject: Re: DECWindows not starting after patches applied) Message-ID: <3BE32914.7DB4864C@intel.com>    Dave Greenwood wrote:b  E > I just applied an identical series of patches to the 4 systems in a H > cluster.  All the systems are running VMS 7.2-1.  The patches includedH > VMS721_DW_MOT_MUP-V0100 and its VMS721_UPDATE-V0300 prerequisite.  TheE > DECWindows login page does not display on 3 of those systems, whileeE > it does on the 4th.  I'm miles from the systems, but I'm told the 3oE > displays are all black.  I can see that each of the 3 systems has aeG > process with username SYSTEM, process name "_WSA1:" running LOGINOUT.rC > If I try to do @DECW$STARTUP RESTART I get a second such process.t  E     Traditionally, @SYS$MANAGER:DECW$STARTUP RESTART has _not_ workedfG on Alphas.  And it only worked (for me) about 50% of the time on VAXes. J I don't know if that was fixed in more recent releases but my recollection> is that it was still "inoperative" in DW-Motif 1.2-5.  And theF characteristic was always that you get a "_WSAn:" process that doesn't "convert" to DECW$LOGINOUT...g  C     I'll assume all four of these systems were rebooted.  Have theyhH been autogen'd recently, or since?  I'm guessing there's some additionalC resource requirements that weren't there prior to the (various) ECO0A installations.  Perhaps if you compare the process quotas (of thecF running DECW$SERVER_0 processes) and system PQL parameters between the( different nodes, they'll be some clue...       -Ken --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 03:29:34 -0200' From: "valdemir" <valdemir-@uol.com.br>s1 Subject: Erasing a  software write locked tape...n< Message-ID: <00ee01c16428$85abc1e0$152b90c8@unipobjetivo.br>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C16417.C1EE9B70  Content-Type: text/plain;- 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<  ; Is there any way to erase a software write locked tape ?=20e  ? I'd like to use any old Digital's software tapes that I have...   	 Thanks...d  + ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C16417.C1EE9B702 Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"i+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablee  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>7 <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =s charset=3Diso-8859-1">9 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4807.2300" name=3DGENERATOR>  <STYLE></STYLE>< </HEAD>n <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>G <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Is there any way to erase a software =o write locked=20n tape ? </FONT></DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>D <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'd like to use any old Digital's = software tapes=20s that I have...</FONT></DIV>k4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>E <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks...</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>o  - ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C16417.C1EE9B70--m   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2001 12:35:30 -0800d( From: martin-nemet@gmx.de (Martin Nemet)' Subject: error: to few servers detectedi; Message-ID: <94492d8a.0111021235.dad9a6@posting.google.com>K  + I get the following error every 10 minutes:   < Event: Too Few Servers Detected drom: Node LOCAL:.MSBT DTSS,        at: ....m        Number Detected=0        Number Required=1
        ...  5 My system is a VAXstation 3100, VMS 7-2, DECnet-Plus.u I installed VMS 2 hours ago.   Can anyone give me a hint?   Thanks.r   M.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 20:47:07 GMTu1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> + Subject: Re: error: to few servers detectedc2 Message-ID: <3BE30625.FA7C6AD1@clarityconnect.com>  G Consult your DECNET documentation under the DTSS configuration section.    Martin Nemet wrote:e > - > I get the following error every 10 minutes:h > > > Event: Too Few Servers Detected drom: Node LOCAL:.MSBT DTSS, >        at: ....n >        Number Detected=0 >        Number Required=1 >        ... > 7 > My system is a VAXstation 3100, VMS 7-2, DECnet-Plus.u > I installed VMS 2 hours ago. >  > Can anyone give me a hint? > 	 > Thanks.  >  > M.   -- nD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:30:05 -0500u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>V+ Subject: Re: error: to few servers detected , Message-ID: <3BE3105C.67D9E62C@videotron.ca>   Martin Nemet wrote:o > - > I get the following error every 10 minutes:a > > > Event: Too Few Servers Detected drom: Node LOCAL:.MSBT DTSS, >        at: ....L >        Number Detected=0 >        Number Required=1  - PRODUCT REMOVE (or is it de-install) DECNET-Vp  M then intall DECNET PHASE 4. It will solve so many annoyances, free up lots oft disk space and be just as good.   I DECNET-V is only for those who have special requirements (such as routing  DECNET over TCP-IP)e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:40:46 -0500 - From: "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org>-+ Subject: Re: error: to few servers detected:+ Message-ID: <sbe2cca1.029@AAASMTA.aaas.org>c  G If you don't want to remove that (or you're afraid, like I would be), =9< someone here once sent me this (I added it to my login.com):  L $mcr ncl block event dispatcher outbound stream local_stream global filter = -e' ((node,dtss), too few servers detected)f  E >>> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 11/02/2001 4:30:05 PM >>>0 Martin Nemet wrote:u >=20- > I get the following error every 10 minutes:n >=20> > Event: Too Few Servers Detected drom: Node LOCAL:.MSBT DTSS, >        at: ....a >        Number Detected=3D0 >        Number Required=3D1  - PRODUCT REMOVE (or is it de-install) DECNET-V   L then intall DECNET PHASE 4. It will solve so many annoyances, free up lots = of disk space and be just as good.f  I DECNET-V is only for those who have special requirements (such as routing  DECNET over TCP-IP)h   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:13:13 -0600u0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>+ Subject: RE: error: to few servers detectedwC Message-ID: <DNEHJNCNNNGANLDIFIOHEEBOCDAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>g   How about in systartup_vms.com   $ mcr ncl disable dtss $ mcr ncl delete dtssi   if dtss is not required?       -----Original Message-----2 From: John Eisenschmidt [mailto:jeisensc@aaas.org]' Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 3:41 PMo To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + Subject: Re: error: to few servers detectedo    E If you don't want to remove that (or you're afraid, like I would be),e< someone here once sent me this (I added it to my login.com):  L $mcr ncl block event dispatcher outbound stream local_stream global filter -' ((node,dtss), too few servers detected)3  E >>> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 11/02/2001 4:30:05 PM >>>a Martin Nemet wrote:  > - > I get the following error every 10 minutes:i >d> > Event: Too Few Servers Detected drom: Node LOCAL:.MSBT DTSS, >        at: ....o >        Number Detected=0 >        Number Required=1  - PRODUCT REMOVE (or is it de-install) DECNET-V   J then intall DECNET PHASE 4. It will solve so many annoyances, free up lots of disk space and be just as good.-  I DECNET-V is only for those who have special requirements (such as routing< DECNET over TCP-IP)t   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 01:34:59 GMTF= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)%+ Subject: Re: error: to few servers detectedt0 Message-ID: <00A04766.4E3D4259@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <sbe2cca1.029@AAASMTA.aaas.org>, "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org> writes:yH >If you don't want to remove that (or you're afraid, like I would be), == >someone here once sent me this (I added it to my login.com):n >eM >$mcr ncl block event dispatcher outbound stream local_stream global filter =e >-( >((node,dtss), too few servers detected) >   : The proper location for this command would be in the file  SYS$MANAGER:NET$EVENT_LOCAL.NCLj  C BLOCK EVENT DISPATCHER OUTBOUND STREAM local_stream GLOBAL FILTER -n/         ((NODE,DTSS), too few servers detected)c  J It's nice to leave DTSS active, even if you don't use the time synchroniz-J ation that it can provide, if only to set the clock forward or back during daylight savings time changes.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            eJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 02:37:43 GMTe- From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@home.com>h+ Subject: Re: error: to few servers detecteda( Message-ID: <3BE34A64.9B6671AB@home.com>   arturo saavedra wrote: >   > How about in systartup_vms.com >  > $ mcr ncl disable dtss > $ mcr ncl delete dtsss  " Or even better, in SyLogicals.com:  " 	Define /System NET$Disable_DTSS 1  I though I recommend you find the OpenVMS FAQ and look up the section aboutcJ DTSS and time problems.  This will help you get it setup and run correctlyH once so you won't have future problems with the TDF and Daylight Savings Time...    Rick   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:24:02 -0500* From: "Rob L Lyons" <rob.lyons@excite.com>Y Subject: Re: How to connect a DS20 to a Fibre  channel SAN switch an that one to a hsg80?e+ Message-ID: <9rurs8$g0h$1@bob.news.rcn.net>I  ' Rich <richv@mail4u.nl> wrote in messageo7 news:a38c070e.0111020751.5ede742e@posting.google.com...e	 > Hi all,g >sG > I recieved some beautifull equipment over here, an Alpha server DS20,gG > a hsg80 including 256Mb cache and a fibrechannel San. I do now how to-C > connect the hsg to the server. But i haven't a single clue how to@1 > connect the SAN between them. Can anybody help?e  A Your question isn't specific enough because the general answer isMB rather extensive.  There are rules to configure by, based on whichC OS you are using and what kind of availability your business needs.i   Take a look atB http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/san/documentation.html  C The short answer is read and experiment or bring in us consultants.e   Rob.lyons@resilientsys.com   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2001 20:23:48 GMTn$ From: Mikec@netins.net (Mike Czizek)8 Subject: How to discern port to configure Canon printer?+ Message-ID: <9ruvck$10g$1@ins22.netins.net>   N We have an Alpha server running OpenVMS version 7.1.  We have had no problems P configuring various printers to it until now.  We are attempting to configure a P Canon ir600 printer/copier.  We obviously know the IP for the printer but we do P not know the port number.  We have contacted our support company to discern the P port number but they do not know.  We have attempted (though unsuccessfully) to J configure it to ports 515, 9000 & 9100 but each of these produce an error.  I I should mention that we have successfully configured the printer on our  A Windows LAN so it appears not to be an inherent hardware problem.,  $ How can one discern the port number?   --   Mike Czizek-   Iowa Network Services, Inc.e   mikec@netins.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 22:20:15 -0600:1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>w< Subject: Re: How to discern port to configure Canon printer?' Message-ID: <3BE3707F.8549FF67@fsi.net>7   Mike Czizek wrote: > O > We have an Alpha server running OpenVMS version 7.1.  We have had no problemssQ > configuring various printers to it until now.  We are attempting to configure adQ > Canon ir600 printer/copier.  We obviously know the IP for the printer but we doeQ > not know the port number.  We have contacted our support company to discern therQ > port number but they do not know.  We have attempted (though unsuccessfully) torL > configure it to ports 515, 9000 & 9100 but each of these produce an error. > J > I should mention that we have successfully configured the printer on ourC > Windows LAN so it appears not to be an inherent hardware problem.6 > & > How can one discern the port number?  . No guarantees - if you're using Multinet, try:   $ MULT SHOW/CONN/SNMP=a.b.c.dh  D Substitute your printer's IP address for a.b.c.d. It *MIGHT* show up0 something interesting. Then again, it might not.   --   David J. Dachtera' dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------    Date: 03 Nov 2001 02:22:16 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>? Subject: Re: Intel uses Alpha - OpenVMS to make pentiums!  WOW!u- Message-ID: <87ady5qbhj.fsf@prep.synonet.com>t  * bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:  F > what a kicker! vms has been used by intel for years in their pentium/ > and now merced production lines!  read at ...n  ? Remember the posting from Sue about the Semi production SW thatn$ was being ported? Well, guess who...   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:38:52 -05002 From: "MikeG" <michael.green{remove}@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: Pathworks329 Message-ID: <clIE7.16312$Bs2.1337965@weber.videotron.net>a   Paddy,J near as I can tell the version of eXcursion bundled with Pathworks 32 took on the same-L revision as the package, thus the furnished version is eXcursion 7.2...I see not mention ofK an eXcursion version within SPD, nor the main Compaq Web site for Pathworksr 32.n  L Thinking back this version is probably a slight upgrade over eXcursion V3.0.   Cheers,a Mike G   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 14:51:41 +0010n' From: <paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au>E Subject: Re: Pathworks325 Message-ID: <01KA9RUP6V420000AB@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>   < Thanks for the responses.  I've passed them to my colleague.   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 21:43:46 +0000C% From: "a.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>.! Subject: Re: remote booting a VXTu' Message-ID: <3BE31392.906E8303@iee.org>-   Brian Tillman wrote:L > If your router passes the MOP protocol you should be able to.  However, be  + If your router routes MOP it's a bridge ...p  B > aware that the VXT may want to create its page/swap files on theF > Infoserver's hard drive.  Apgeing over the ISDN may not be pleasant.   LAST/LAD is non-routeable too.  % Years ago we used TransLANs to bridge1& over what was (in effect) a 56kb line.# Just about acceptable for a few LATl! sessions. I exepct VXT boot timest% may be somewhat longer than you wouldh like (and paging would be ...b
 challenging).      Antonioa   -- b   ---------------a- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orge   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 21:58:41 -0600W1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>I* Subject: Re: savesets,  CDs and attributes' Message-ID: <3BE36B71.6A33131C@fsi.net>i   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ] > In article <3BE21635.8FFCC3DE@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:t > [snip]K > > Then again, given how one MOUNTs an ISO-9660 disc, I don't see how thatcJ > > could be enabled without mucho changes to the OpenVMS system software.A > > See HELP MOUNT /MEDIA and/or the appropriate source listings.V > H > If VMS does not handle this correctly, then indeed DEQ has work to do,2 > but the fields are there in the ISO-9660 format.  E If anyone has any pointers to VMS documentation about how/whether any @ ISO-9660 cells are actually examined by VMS/RMS, please cite the8 appropriate documents. I'd really be interested to know.   -- - David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systems: http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:36:13 -06001 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>  Subject: SSH for VMS?c8 Message-ID: <9rv3km$1t7$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  E Our news reader server has been down for about 10 days, so forgive if # someone has asked similar question.   J Is there SSH for VMS out there somewhere?  The links in the VMS FAQ led me to a dead end a few weeks ago.  : Target system is Alpha running VMS 7.2-1 with TCPIP v5.0A.   -- Dave Gudewicz, K9JDK   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2001 21:44:12 GMT"3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)A Subject: Re: SSH for VMS? 0 Message-ID: <9rv43c$jr6$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  l In article <9rv3km$1t7$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes:F >Our news reader server has been down for about 10 days, so forgive if$ >someone has asked similar question. >iK >Is there SSH for VMS out there somewhere?  The links in the VMS FAQ led me  >to a dead end a few weeks ago.o >C; >Target system is Alpha running VMS 7.2-1 with TCPIP v5.0A.e  O Multinet from Process Software has a SSH V1 server included in V4.3 and a SSH 2s* server in V 4.4 currently in beta testing.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 02:32:53 GMTe- From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@home.com>1 Subject: Re: SSH for VMS?y( Message-ID: <3BE34942.B8BE1121@home.com>   Dave Gudewicz wrote:L > Is there SSH for VMS out there somewhere?  The links in the VMS FAQ led me  > to a dead end a few weeks ago. > < > Target system is Alpha running VMS 7.2-1 with TCPIP v5.0A.  L I don't know about the FAQ's pointers, but there is FISH as a SSH client andM an OSU SSH Server (SSH v1.5).  Both are free.  The server also needs OpenSSL.-  F If those sound like the ones you tried to track down, let us know.  If5 nothing else, I can make my copies of both available.9  I I run them both on OpenVMS/Alpha v6.2, v7.1, v7.1-1h2, v7.2-1, & v7.3 andY OpenVMS/VAX v6.2.D   rick   ------------------------------    Date: 03 Nov 2001 02:11:53 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>. Subject: Re: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM- Message-ID: <87elnhqbyu.fsf@prep.synonet.com>3  ' paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes:t  N > And as has often been told me whatever machine (NT grrr) that our mail goes O > out from seems not to understand my VMS time.  I am sending this from .au at /H > 19:07.  I've lost track of time differences until I can check with my O > brother, but I think I am 9 hrs away from GMT.  My mail usually says 10 mins.M  E 10 Hours Paddy, we are GMT+8. If you have gone to DST, then make that2 11 hours ...   -- @< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.L@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 15:37:55 -0500-2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: tcpip 5.1 needednL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0211011537550001@user-2ive73b.dialup.mindspring.com>  A In article <5vu3utkuu9mrl1930dsjell9fc5bu1tnt9@4ax.com>, Beyondern <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote:s  9 > ok, even openvms 7.2 doesn't have tcpip 5.1, it has 5.0r > and I need 5.1 > F > I can't see the rational explanation of paying for a 0.1 upgrade (or> > patch). I thought only Microsoft tried those kinds of scams. > : > I have a hobbyist license and no maintenance agreements. >  > there must be a way.    H For alpha, check into the OpenVMS 7.2-1 (or 7.2-2) media kit.  The OS CDG typically comes with the "system integrated products" (or whatever theyoH are called these days) such as DECnet, TCP/IP, and DECwindows Motif.  IfF my memory is right.  So check the contents of the kit before you order& it.  No, I don't know the part number.  F I have not seen the 7.2-1 kit, but we bought the 7.1-2 kit, and it wasG very inexpensive -- about $20.  I think similar low prices apply to the-C other recent 7.x-y media kits.  These kits don't include any of the I printed docs that come with the full VMS 7.x kits, but you do get a real,t, full-featured, bootable, installable VMS CD.  H For VAX, there are no "dash" releases, but you are more likely to find aE recent enough layered product quarterly distribution at ebay for veryt cheap.   -- m Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 22:14:59 -0600m1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>-! Subject: Re: Undo disk Initialize ' Message-ID: <3BE36F43.96CD5684@fsi.net>J  
 Van wrote: > w > system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote in message news:<00A0456F.C7A4E7D9@SendSpamHere.ORG>...uX > > In article <3BDFF7FB.A6739EE7@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > > >Piyush Avichal wrote:S > > >> Does anyone know of any software or know how to undo the initialization of atV > > >> disk. One of our users has accidently initilized an optical disk. It hasnt been: > > >> written to so the data should still be on the disk. > >  > > $ BACKUP  ;) > >r > >vD > > >Why are you giving users enough privileges to initialise disks? > >.- > > PeeCee or unix admin background no doubt.  > >tK > > >There's no UNFORMAT command available. My first stab at recovering theDI > > >data would be to create a partition identical in size to the opticalrK > > >disk, do a BACKUp/physical, then try a number of the freeware UNDELETEoL > > >programs. Providing they don't depend on the INDEXF.SYS and can pick up. > > >the file headers, you may have some luck. > >1J > > Nearly all of the VMS undelete utilities rely upon the INDEXF.SYS fileL > > being intact.   During a "DELETE", the bitmaps are modified but the file/ > > header data remains more or less unchanged.a > >vK > > Having no INDEXF.SYS to tie things together, it would be a *monumental*qL > > task to scavenge the disk block by block to associate the data that each6 > > contains with some previously defined association. >  > Hi,VH > I know very good undeleted utilities R-STUDIO.I used its for restoringG > of my files deleted accidantly because hard disk partition structures  > was damaged.A > My files have been restored.This program has a few utilites forcD > restoring types of file systems. Look site http://www.r-tt.com for > more information  < Looks like a PeeCee-only program - no mention of ODS or VMS.   -- > David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/D   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 19:08:24 GMTu- From: michael.greenNOSP@Mvideotron.ca (MikeG)D3 Subject: Re: V7.2-2 in Canada? Release date in USA? 0 Message-ID: <3be2ee52.176577444@news.compaq.com>   Peter,@ those customers with MDDS service for OpenVMS were shipped 7.2-2C update September 30th.  MDDS is the media & doc service which deals-C explicity with OpevnVMS updates, whereas those customers receiving aE updates via Consolidated Distribution will receive after ship date ofs> November 19th.   Tack on 2 weeks for good measure and you have your Canadian schedule.  0   HTH, Mike Green (eh!)    1 On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:20:05 -0500, "Peter Weaver"o <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote:e  , >Have any Canadian sites received 7.2-2 yet? >nL >I seem to recall that some people in the newsgroup reported receiving their >copies in September. I checkedbK >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/announce722.html but Compaq in theirlI >infinite wisdom decided to tell me today's date rather than the date the.J >page was last updated. (Mind you, if I look at the "Updated" meta data inM >the HTML code I would have to believe the 7.2-2 was announced "13-03-2000.")c >eK >We are being told that shipping in Canada will not start until 7-DEC-2001,nM >but I hope that someone is giving us the wrong information and that shipping- >has already started.e >f >t   ------------------------------    Date: 03 Nov 2001 02:26:19 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>) Subject: Re: VMS at Intel on The Inquireri- Message-ID: <87668tqbas.fsf@prep.synonet.com>&  ? Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:1  2 > >Sounds like a job for the Marketing Department. > 3 > Marketing Department? Never heard of them before.e  9 They are the people who helped Moto do a double page add.t> "Why our processors are so good." ( From the days when a 68020? was good gear. ) It was a photo of the testing and control gear. on the fab line.  * There where over 30 11/34s in the photo :)  " Nice to know that nothing is new.. -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 03 Nov 2001 02:29:54 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>) Subject: Re: VMS at Intel on The Inquirero- Message-ID: <871yjhqb4t.fsf@prep.synonet.com>2  : "Steven Santinelli" <Santinelli@smscompNOSPAM.com> writes:  D > I still remember the DEC ad at the Superbowl (Don't remember which6 > year!), and all my friends going, "What's Digital?!"  A > Yup, that's the company I dreamed of working for as a kid... :)   < And the computer company that helped pry NYYC's fingers from9 the America's Cup. But that *was* a underhand deal, so noa bragging rights.   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.l@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 03 Nov 2001 02:47:09 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>/ Subject: Re: X.25 profile documentation wanted.D- Message-ID: <87vggtovrm.fsf@prep.synonet.com>n  ' "a.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:    > Alan Greig wrote: D > > When was the last sale date for the DECNIS? If it was later than ...  r@ > I don't have an official date handy but 1996 is way too early.! > 1998/1999 would be much closer.p  > Well, it was dropped,  then put back so the Gigabit Enet cards? where for a current unit. :) So that seems closer to 98 than tos+ 96. As to when the second 'dropping' was...9   -- 1< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.i@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 21:56:02 +0000 % From: "a.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>n/ Subject: Re: X.25 profile documentation wanted.r' Message-ID: <3BE31672.1BC0A215@iee.org>5   Paul Repacholi wrote:C > ) > "a.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:n >  > > Alan Greig wrote:eF > > > When was the last sale date for the DECNIS? If it was later than > ... B > > I don't have an official date handy but 1996 is way too early.# > > 1998/1999 would be much closer.e > @ > Well, it was dropped,  then put back so the Gigabit Enet cardsA > where for a current unit. :) So that seems closer to 98 than tot- > 96. As to when the second 'dropping' was...   $ Did I misread this? DECnis never had 100MB ethernet, never mind Gbe!   & DECnis was dropped once it became too % difficult to obtain various chips for % various cards. The end-of-life buy of ! NVAX chips probably did not help.n  $ Were you thinking of the GigaSwitch?   Antoniou   -- n   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgu   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 22:10:01 +0000n% From: "a.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>a/ Subject: Re: X.25 profile documentation wanted.e' Message-ID: <3BE319B9.425C96BC@iee.org>    Alan Greig wrote:wE > In that case I'd suggest anyone unhappy with the end of support forvB > the DECNIS contacts Compaq and remind them Michael Capellas  hasF > promised to provide *full* support for Enterprise systems (includingF > associated  controllers, networking etc) for a minimum of five years1 > after last sale for both hardware and software.d  . The networking group was sold. AFAIK *all* the' software for everything went with them.e  . COMPAQ no longer have access to current DECnis, sources, nor to terminal server sources etc.  & DNPG have all the terminal server and ( associated stuff. I don't see how COMPAQ. can make commitments no their behalf (although$ they may have cut a deal with them).  B > I've checked and there doesn't seem any obvious reference to the > DECNIS on the DNPG site. e  % I don't know if DNPG have decided to i$ take it on. Even when Cabletron were% supporting DECnis for COMPAQ, all the5# calls went through COMPAQ and fixesv' were supposed to be released by COMPAQ.2  - You can try asking DNPG what they want to do,o) but you might be better off asking COMPAQe what the actual situation is.i   Antonios   -- k   ---------------i- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.611 ************************