1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 05 Nov 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 616       Contents:- Re: Access Violation in Global Section memory  can't login to VAX on weekends. # Re: can't login to VAX on weekends.  Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: Compaq guarantees?5 CSWS/Apache v1.1:  SSL what commands are implemented? 8 Re: DEC Alpha VMS question X/Motif - how to turn it off? Re: DEC C and DECUS ! Re: DEC DOCUMENT product removal?  DECUS in many names  Re: DECUS in many names  Re: DECUS in many names 2 Re: DECwindows Motif Server Mandatory Update Patch2 Re: DECwindows Motif Server Mandatory Update Patch2 Re: DECwindows Motif Server Mandatory Update Patch1 Re: DECWindows not starting after patches applied ! Re: DHCP client software for VMS? ! Re: DHCP client software for VMS? ! Re: DHCP client software for VMS? @ Editing DCL command lines longer than the current terminal width@ Editing DCL command lines longer than the current terminal widthD Re: Editing DCL command lines longer than the current terminal widthD Re: Editing DCL command lines longer than the current terminal width, Re: Erasing a  software write locked tape...7 Re: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted 7 Re: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted 7 Re: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted ) Re: Global Sections for IPC - performance ) Re: Global Sections for IPC - performance 3 Re: How to discern port to configure Canon printer? 3 Re: How to discern port to configure Canon printer? % Re: How to upgrade VMS/Vax 6.0 to 6.1 : Re: Kerberos Client on OpenVMS, CSWS/APACHE, MOD_AUTH_KERB: Re: Kerberos Client on OpenVMS, CSWS/APACHE, MOD_AUTH_KERB6 Re: Keyboard problems with VMS 7.2 on AlphaStation 200 Re: Printing to NLA0:? Re: RWAST problems! Re: savesets,  CDs and attributes   Re: savesets, CDs and attributes  Re: savesets, CDs and attributes SPD location Re: SPD location Re: SPD location Re: SPD location Re: SPD location  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 10:08:31 GMT * From: mark@*NO*SPAM*.co.uk (Mark Williams)6 Subject: Re: Access Violation in Global Section memory. Message-ID: <3be664ed.6521227@news.force9.net>  B On Fri, 02 Nov 2001 21:35:44 -0000, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) wrote:   H >Any chance you're using asynchronous completion on the call to map the K >section?  If so, you might be attempting to access the section before the   >map operation has completed.   $ I don't think so.  I use sys$crmpsc.   Cheers,   
 Mark Williams    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2001 09:02:56 -0800 * From: vmendham@altavista.com (Vic Mendham)( Subject: can't login to VAX on weekends.< Message-ID: <8b51ed8.0111050902.2e4a4efc@posting.google.com>  3 Our Vax has started acting funny since October 27th @ Seems when you try to dial-in on weekends it is asking for a new	 password. A Generally a user is prompted for the Decserver pwd, then a system  username and pwd.   E Now on weekends it is asking for the Decserver pwd using the normal # C prompt. Once entered a new prompt password> comes up and we can not 6 get to the username/pwd as no one knows this password.  ( Has anyone ever experienced this before?B I have checked the decserver and seems it only has a primary not aF secondary password. I have set the system_password in UAF, but can not? test until the weekend. Is there somewhere to check to see if a E date/time for logins is set? Is there a parameter in SYSGEN or SYSMAN C which is set? Is there perhaps a lexical which could be used to set F this? I know the welcome.txt is changed by the backup to state "backup; running please login later", is there something to set like C logins/inter= which would cause a system password to be required to  login?  * Please reply to victor.mendham@emergis.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 17:13:57 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>, Subject: Re: can't login to VAX on weekends.) Message-ID: <3BE6C8D5.E71CBECB@127.0.0.1>    Vic Mendham wrote: > 5 > Our Vax has started acting funny since October 27th B > Seems when you try to dial-in on weekends it is asking for a new > password. C > Generally a user is prompted for the Decserver pwd, then a system  > username and pwd.  > G > Now on weekends it is asking for the Decserver pwd using the normal # E > prompt. Once entered a new prompt password> comes up and we can not 8 > get to the username/pwd as no one knows this password.  1 You're really not very clear what the problem is.   G On a terminal server, if you get the password wrong, it will ask again,  up to so-many times.  E Here's a possible reason / scenario. Your dial in terminal server was D been replaced recently, or the passwords have been changed. You onlyH dial in at weekends. The terminal servers you use during the weekday areC DIFFERENT to the dial in, so looks like nothing has changed. If the H above condition your describing is this, then find out what the password is, you're not geting it right.   B If the VMS side is bouncing you out, it would ask for username andH password, but would them display a message, IIRC "You are not authorizedC to log in now" and it is set up in the UAF, Saturday and Sunday are G "secondary" days, and it is the /INTERACTIVE and /DIALUP qualifiers you F need to look at. I can't remember how you set up primary and secondaryC days on the system though. But the lack of a message makes me think + you're experiencing terminal server issues.   , > Please reply to victor.mendham@emergis.com  * Alltogether, "ask here, get answer here" ! --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 05 Nov 2001 15:05:42 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees? - Message-ID: <87hes9ito9.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   6 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  L > Sun doesn't seem to be embracing Solaris-on-IPF which IMHO is a mistake on
 > their part.   @ Why?? What does the dead donkey have for Sun? They have a <$1000@ 64 bit system now, so zip there. They have everything that untelA could offer them except a dead pact with the theif of Redmond. So 5 where is the milage for Sun in going down that road??   A Far better IMO that they say well clear and offer the 'other true 9 way'! And it seems to have been winning in spades so far.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 07:35:26 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees? ; Message-ID: <2jrF7.4898$MI.2067133@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:87hes9ito9.fsf@prep.synonet.com... 8 > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > K > > Sun doesn't seem to be embracing Solaris-on-IPF which IMHO is a mistake  on > > their part.  > B > Why?? What does the dead donkey have for Sun? They have a <$1000B > 64 bit system now, so zip there. They have everything that untelC > could offer them except a dead pact with the theif of Redmond. So 7 > where is the milage for Sun in going down that road??  > C > Far better IMO that they say well clear and offer the 'other true ; > way'! And it seems to have been winning in spades so far.  >   K Indeed they have, at least until their last quarter.  But I suspect they'll A confront some interesting "issues" in the UltraSparc V timeframe.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2001 07:49:55 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees? 3 Message-ID: <sRqeT5DpRyz9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <d7791aa1.0111041616.609e2eaf@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:j > koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<bgRA6tjJb0$X@eisner.encompasserve.org>... >  >>  H >>    There's no way you're going to convince me that HP's going to walkH >>    away from VMS' current profitability.  At worst they might sell it
 >>    off. > I > what do you mean at worst?  selling vms to red hat or anyone that would 3 > truly support and enhance vms would be fantastic!       Exactly.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2001 16:15:49 GMT = From: jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) > Subject: CSWS/Apache v1.1:  SSL what commands are implemented?, Message-ID: <9s6dvl$1h4e@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>  J I've got a pretty much default installation of CSWS v1.1 based upon Apache; installed here, with SSL support as it came out-of-the-box.   L But when I try to use the SSLRequireSSL directive on a directory that I wantI to be certain is only accessed with https:// instead of http://, I get an G error citing that directive as possibly misspelled or its module is not 	 included.   J Looking at the standard configuration, it looks like the mod_ssl.conf fileH that gets pulled into the configuration doesn't get pulled in until wellG AFTER my directories where I want to apply the SSLRequireSSL directive.   H Not being an Apache expert yet, can I re-cite the directories to put theG SSLRequireSSL directive in AFTER or DURING my mod_ssl.conf parsing, and  just put in a <directory ...>  		SSLRequireSSL  		</directory> for each one, R or do I need to move the include of the mod_ssl.conf file to BEFORE my directories, which need the extra protection are defined?  M +-"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag tapes"--+ N | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance")            InterNet:  Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu | M | Systems Design Specialist - Lead       AT&T:      (814) 865-1818          | M | Library Computing Services             FAX:       (814) 863-3560          | M | E3 Paterno Library                     "I'd rather be dancing..."         | M | Penn State University         A host is a host from coast to coast,       | M | University Park, PA 16802     And no one will talk to a host that's close | M | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>  Unless the host that isn't close            | M | VMS GopherMeister             Is busy, hung or dead.                      | M +------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take his wallet."-------+ 9                 [apologies to DeForest Kelley, 1920-1999] 3 <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a>  J <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a>   --	       /"\ #       \ /     ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN !        X        AGAINST HTML MAIL 	       / \    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:58:01 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> A Subject: Re: DEC Alpha VMS question X/Motif - how to turn it off? 3 Message-ID: <eIyF7.1277$RL6.32514@news.cpqcorp.net>   L Yes.  And because of an ongoing battle that I lost, setting WINDOW_SYSTEM toF 0 just gets you into an argument with the DECwindows startup code that forces it back to 1.  G So now, the only supported thing to do, is define the logical, or don't  install Motif.   _Fred   = JF Mezei wrote in message <3BE1F7F1.CC265F22@videotron.ca>... 
 >Question: > L >Is there a big difference between setting the SYSGEN WINDOWSYSTEM parameter toF >0 versus doing the logical DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS logical to "TRUE" ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:13:28 -0700 ) From: "DigiDemon" <digidemon@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: DEC C and DECUS9 Message-ID: <20011105.081325.1590079444.1369@hotmail.com>   < Thanks for all the GREAT replies people...it really helps =)   James    > Hi James,  > I > There is a program on the DECUS archive called *filelock.com*.  Is this  > what you are looking for?  > 	 > Thanks,  > Brad > G > In article <20011030.150804.1605908235.2494@hotmail.com>, "DigiDemon" ! > <digidemon@hotmail.com> writes:  >>Afternoon people.  >>H >>First off, thanks for the help with the startup logging....runs like aH >>champ now :)  Second, 2 questions....I've been trying to to snag a lilE >>proggie called findlocks.com from DECUS, but to no avail...is there J >>something up with the site?  Also, i'd like to see what it would take toH >>do some compiling and linking...I've hit the faqs and sites to try andI >>find Gnu-C and Gnu-C++ for Alpha: ftp://ftp.progis.de/pub/vms/gcc/, but J >>that site is dead as well.  Any directions would be just great...thanks! >> >>James  >  > Bradford J. Hamilton" > bradhamilton@mediaone.net	(home) > brad.hamilton@fmr.com		(work)  > = > "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2001 04:40:48 -0800 ) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) * Subject: Re: DEC DOCUMENT product removal?= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0111050440.5061f1c7@posting.google.com>   ] "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@home.com> wrote in message news:<3BE41EF2.C3394673@home.com>...   N > no current plans to drop anything from the CSLG program nor make any changesM > for pricing for the next year, 2002.  Of course, this is just hear say, but   D The pricing issue we have been notified already about and I am quiteD frankly impressed: Compaq ***WELL DONE*** and ***MANY THANKS***. In 8 my mind you are doing the right thing! The CSLG *RULES!*  B M$ go bite me - your products and product price increases *SUCK* - and I don't even use them.  K Still wondering on an answer on DEC DOCUMENT (it is a really cool product!)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:21:05 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: DECUS in many names) Message-ID: <3BE69241.2862BA73@127.0.0.1>    JF Mezei wrote:  > L > I still maintain that there should be a single , global, VMS user's group.  B Fully agreed. Same worldwide name too. VMSUG ? VMSUS ? (I like the latter).  G DECUS was DECUS, and I started in the UK chapter and joined quite a few & SIGs. I believe that worked very well.  G The 'new' way doesn't seem as coherant (perhaps some chairpersons would D like to comment?) so I accept that my former suggestion may be a nonE starter. If on the network then, maybe a password protected FTP site, 9 with details on release of a proper and valid membership.   D However I have to say I am pleased with the forward 10 months eventsD calendar in the UK (we're called CUO and I didn't vote for it) but IB note that "the usergoup formerly known as DECUS (TUFKAD)" has been. hijacked by the iPaqs and a mickey soft bunch. --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 14:25:43 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>   Subject: Re: DECUS in many names8 Message-ID: <r58dutogkm8f30fh1ndv8tib7vavc9te3q@4ax.com>  F On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:21:05 +0000, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:   > E >However I have to say I am pleased with the forward 10 months events E >calendar in the UK (we're called CUO and I didn't vote for it) but I   E Yep, I should be there for Dave Fenwick's talk next week then the web C enabling VMS session next month - assuming corporate don't suddenly  impose any more flight bans.  C >note that "the usergoup formerly known as DECUS (TUFKAD)" has been / >hijacked by the iPaqs and a mickey soft bunch.    -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 15:58:18 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)   Subject: Re: DECUS in many names0 Message-ID: <00A04971.3D3353FC@SendSpamHere.ORG>  T In article <3BE69241.2862BA73@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: >JF Mezei wrote: >>  M >> I still maintain that there should be a single , global, VMS user's group.  > C >Fully agreed. Same worldwide name too. VMSUG ? VMSUS ? (I like the 	 >latter).    How about the Starletteers! ;)  M ***  MicroVAX-IV (the final MicroVAX) has achieved a 2-year uptime today! ***  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesc   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 00:38:41 +0100: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>; Subject: Re: DECwindows Motif Server Mandatory Update PatchoI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111040029401.7723-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   ( On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Hoff Hoffman wrote:  4 >+[...] eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: [...]iF >+:Which reminds me to ask, why is it neccessary to run the X11 server >+:priviledged at all ?D >+I >+  Because it is part of the trusted computing base (TCB) -- it needs too? >+  perform various privileged operations, for better or worse.t  A  For balance: "...but nothing prevents apps..." (including "with SA API available") be written like MAIL example (IMHO a great modells= "how to write VMS style application", regarding the "unix vs.a9 vms style" subject -:)) - *separate* "most functionality"n@ (MAILSHR), *separate* and *small* part with protected/privileged7 function (MAILSHRP) and separate application interface.t:  Your resposne suggest that the "installed with privilege"9 part was ommited (sure, will agree - that is the simpleste: way !) - means not "not a protected image(s) in use", but:8 "not *all* parts where must be privileged separated from3 the general part of code". And that is the best way ( to unix-like security/stability holes :] IMHO, of course ;)  P >+ ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------  	  Great :)o    Regards - Gotfryd   -- vE ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEn. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================4   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2001 06:25:28 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)U; Subject: Re: DECwindows Motif Server Mandatory Update Patch 3 Message-ID: <fuWllQPG7YI9@eisner.encompasserve.org>a   In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111040029401.7723-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>, "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> writes:* > On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Hoff Hoffman wrote: > 5 >>+[...] eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:  > [...]wG >>+:Which reminds me to ask, why is it neccessary to run the X11 server9 >>+:priviledged at all ? >>+.J >>+  Because it is part of the trusted computing base (TCB) -- it needs to@ >>+  perform various privileged operations, for better or worse. > C >  For balance: "...but nothing prevents apps..." (including "with -C > API available") be written like MAIL example (IMHO a great modell ? > "how to write VMS style application", regarding the "unix vs.C; > vms style" subject -:)) - *separate* "most functionality"DB > (MAILSHR), *separate* and *small* part with protected/privileged9 > function (MAILSHRP) and separate application interface.u< >  Your resposne suggest that the "installed with privilege"; > part was ommited (sure, will agree - that is the simplestg< > way !) - means not "not a protected image(s) in use", but:: > "not *all* parts where must be privileged separated from5 > the general part of code". And that is the best wayb* > to unix-like security/stability holes :]  < That might be good for a VMS-only component, but at least on< Alpha there is a goal of keeping the X-Windows code at least: similar to the X-Windows code used on Unix, in order to be- able to adopt changes to subsequent releases.e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:01:17 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> ; Subject: Re: DECwindows Motif Server Mandatory Update Patchv3 Message-ID: <eLyF7.1278$RL6.32605@news.cpqcorp.net>o  B Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote in message <3bdfd08a@news.kapsch.co.at>...4 >In article <5xHD7.1129$RL6.16455@news.cpqcorp.net>,4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:E >>  There has been a report of a security problem with the DECwindows C >>  Motif server on various configurations received and identified,l; >>  and an ECO kit to resolve this has been made available.l >iD >Which reminds me to ask, why is it neccessary to run the X11 server >priviledged at all ?m >o    E The X11 server does many privledged things, like talk directly to theaG hardware for example.  You can think of it as a protected subsubsystem.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:06:28 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>.: Subject: Re: DECWindows not starting after patches applied3 Message-ID: <5QyF7.1279$RL6.32624@news.cpqcorp.net>   F Kenneth H. Fairfield wrote in message <3BE32914.7DB4864C@intel.com>... >Dave Greenwood wrote: >iF >> I just applied an identical series of patches to the 4 systems in aI >> cluster.  All the systems are running VMS 7.2-1.  The patches includedyI >> VMS721_DW_MOT_MUP-V0100 and its VMS721_UPDATE-V0300 prerequisite.  TheoF >> DECWindows login page does not display on 3 of those systems, whileF >> it does on the 4th.  I'm miles from the systems, but I'm told the 3F >> displays are all black.  I can see that each of the 3 systems has aH >> process with username SYSTEM, process name "_WSA1:" running LOGINOUT.D >> If I try to do @DECW$STARTUP RESTART I get a second such process. >   F >    Traditionally, @SYS$MANAGER:DECW$STARTUP RESTART has _not_ workedH >on Alphas.  And it only worked (for me) about 50% of the time on VAXes.K >I don't know if that was fixed in more recent releases but my recollection0? >is that it was still "inoperative" in DW-Motif 1.2-5.  And thejG >characteristic was always that you get a "_WSAn:" process that doesn'tF >"convert" to DECW$LOGINOUT... >a  F Actually, I have had a much better success rate.  An alternative is toJ simply STOP the server process, and then do a normal startup.  However, onJ Alpha, remember that you MUST edit SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM and define the symbolF to override the normal install.  Or you will fail with quota problems.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 10:01:31 +0000o( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>* Subject: Re: DHCP client software for VMS?) Message-ID: <3BE6637B.87B1C3FA@127.0.0.1>a   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:o > J > A large number of us have been asking Compaq to put their software up onO > an FTP site for ages so that hobbyist and others can download later versions. . > Unfortunately Compaq hasn't listened so far.  A However I feel that this is also an additional safety net for theCH intellectual property that is VMS. it is all well and good being able to% get the licences by being a member of G DECUS (sic), and I think it is correctly assumed that *most* folks willy be able to borrow  media in one way or another.  H Perhaps a way around this would be for DECUS to offer a library function with deposits and:D nomimal rental fees, but active only to the address of the member as registered.l --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot come   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 06:30:56 -0500i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>d* Subject: Re: DHCP client software for VMS?, Message-ID: <3BE67870.73A1F20D@videotron.ca>   Nic Clews wrote:J > Perhaps a way around this would be for DECUS to offer a library function > with deposits and-F > nomimal rental fees, but active only to the address of the member as
 > registered.n  K Since there is no longer a unified user group (unless under HP this changesDK again), the hobbyist program should stop relying on "DECUS" or whatever itsw6 name is this week in your country, if it still exists.  F DECUS used to mean something. And just like Copaq erred in killing theL "Digital" name, each chapter erred when it succombed to Compaq's pressure to change the name.  J I still maintain that there should be a single , global, VMS user's group.   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:39:41 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk* Subject: Re: DHCP client software for VMS?+ Message-ID: <9s6mdd$g60$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>M  T In article <3BE6637B.87B1C3FA@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:  >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: >>  K >> A large number of us have been asking Compaq to put their software up on P >> an FTP site for ages so that hobbyist and others can download later versions./ >> Unfortunately Compaq hasn't listened so far.t >-B >However I feel that this is also an additional safety net for theI >intellectual property that is VMS. it is all well and good being able ton& >get the licences by being a member ofH >DECUS (sic), and I think it is correctly assumed that *most* folks will >be able to borrow >media in one way or another.  > I >Perhaps a way around this would be for DECUS to offer a library functionr >with deposits andE >nomimal rental fees, but active only to the address of the member as  >registered. >--   L If necessary would it really be that difficult to set up a system where the K hobbyist has to put in some pertinent identifying information before being m allowed to download the files.L Eg fill in a web page which then logs into an ftp account - not an anonymous= ftp account - which then allows you to download the software.o  7 Besides if it is assumed that *most* folks will be ablesK to borrow media anyway then what on earth is the problem in providing a waylN for all users to get the media ? The already sanctioned borrowing of the mediaK means that providing it by download will not dilute the "safety net for theo? intellectual property that is VMS" any more than it already is.     K Your idea for DECUS to handle this with deposits/rental fees sounds awful -  a bureucratic nightmare.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:28:51 GMTiG From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP>sI Subject: Editing DCL command lines longer than the current terminal widthP6 Message-ID: <nuwF7.13058$xS6.16083@www.newsranger.com>  H Are there any plans to fix the inability to fully edit DCL command lines( longer than the current terminal width ?  H Having just spent a good chunk of the weekend editing long command linesG (as part of some application testing), it is my opinion [currently, Not.H So Humble :-)] that the inability to fully edit DCL command lines longer4 than the current terminal width is now unacceptable.   What do other people think ?  G I am aware from previous discussions that there is a problem within thehD terminal driver, but I find it hard to believe that it can be _that_ difficult to fix.-  C I am also aware (on terminal emulators with the ability to set long H widths) that you can play tricks with set term/width, but playing tricksF in order to accomplish tasks is what we accuse other operating systems( of doing. In VMS, this should just work.   Simon.  H PS: Just had an idea: Does the VMS port of bash (for people without UnixH experience, it's a Unix CLI) allow you to edit command lines longer thanD the current terminal width, and if so, can you get it to execute DCL
 commands ?   -- p@ Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFPK In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discovered a E truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.d   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 15:22:56 +0100 (MET)w9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> I Subject: Editing DCL command lines longer than the current terminal width ; Message-ID: <01KACLHBZ2YG90UTW5@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   D IIRC, the NEWSRDR program, which has a VMS MAIL look and feel, does I allow one to edit lines longer than the terminal width at the prompt, so   it CAN be done.t  I Note that the problem occurs not just at the DCL prompt, but e.g. at the g> MAIL prompt as well.  It should of course be fixed everywhere.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 14:36:50 GMT:- From: "Dave Kneitel" <dkneitel@optonline.net>3M Subject: Re: Editing DCL command lines longer than the current terminal widthc9 Message-ID: <6uxF7.27908$D7.8212708@news02.optonline.net>l  L Are you connecting via Xwindows or a terminal emulator - Xwindows allows youH to edit beyond the terminal width - terminal emulators do not (in VMS or unix).  L "Simon Clubley" <simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP> wrote in8 message news:nuwF7.13058$xS6.16083@www.newsranger.com...J > Are there any plans to fix the inability to fully edit DCL command lines* > longer than the current terminal width ? > J > Having just spent a good chunk of the weekend editing long command linesI > (as part of some application testing), it is my opinion [currently, NotaJ > So Humble :-)] that the inability to fully edit DCL command lines longer6 > than the current terminal width is now unacceptable. >w > What do other people think ? >nI > I am aware from previous discussions that there is a problem within thenF > terminal driver, but I find it hard to believe that it can be _that_ > difficult to fix.d >sE > I am also aware (on terminal emulators with the ability to set longhJ > widths) that you can play tricks with set term/width, but playing tricksH > in order to accomplish tasks is what we accuse other operating systems* > of doing. In VMS, this should just work. >e > Simon. >.J > PS: Just had an idea: Does the VMS port of bash (for people without UnixJ > experience, it's a Unix CLI) allow you to edit command lines longer thanF > the current terminal width, and if so, can you get it to execute DCL > commands ? >e > --B > Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFPK > In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discovered5 a:G > truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 10:00:00 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> M Subject: Re: Editing DCL command lines longer than the current terminal width , Message-ID: <3BE6A970.EC20C025@videotron.ca>   Simon Clubley wrote: > J > Are there any plans to fix the inability to fully edit DCL command lines* > longer than the current terminal width ?   $SET TERM/WIDTH=132h $RECALL command  edit command run commandr $SET TERM/WIDTH=80  N If you are using decwindows, there are easier ways with the mouse that make itN possible to send the first portion, edit it, and then send the second portion.  K And with 7.2, you can also save and recall your command buffer. Perhaps youaL can save your recall buffer, edit it, save it, and then get DCL to read thatI recall buffer with the corrected long command. (HELP RECALL ) Again, withe* multiple windows, it is fairly easy to do.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:52:14 -05000 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca>5 Subject: Re: Erasing a  software write locked tape...I4 Message-ID: <zvyF7.2151$qb4.14535@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>  K Not too sure but what you could do to erase any "soft" write-lock marker ismG cut the tape after the current tape marker and stick another one 4 feetu further.  " Then load the tape and do an init.   --   SyltremtI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)S> To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  ? "valdemir" <valdemir-@uol.com.br> a crit dans le message news:i1 00ee01c16428$85abc1e0$152b90c8@unipobjetivo.br... 8 Is there any way to erase a software write locked tape ?  ? I'd like to use any old Digital's software tapes that I have...s  	 Thanks...b   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 15:23:25 +0100r= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>n@ Subject: Re: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted) Message-ID: <3BE6A0DD.A5A78277@gtech.com>0   Christopher Smith wrote:5 > > From: Arne Vajhj [mailto:arne.vajhoej@gtech.com] E > > > that the Sun JDK is very spartan.  Some people don't like that.7 > E > > Spartan ? I consider it bloated with way to much ! Have you triedc > > countingB > > the number of methods in all the java.* and javax.* packages ? > D > No -- I'd consider those part of the language, not the development > environment. > J > I meant that they only include a few command-line utilities, rather thanJ > going all-out in the way microshaft does with viral basic, and making it; > more like a paint program than a programming language. :)N  / Some may argue that JDK is actually two things:l'   - a primitive development environmentr<   - a component to be used by more sophisticated development environments   Most Java IDE's today uses JDK.c  9 And you can choose between commercial and freeware IDE's.+  G SUN themselves even has a freeware IDE you can download (Forte for Java+ CE).   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 10:53:28 -0500o- From: "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org> @ Subject: Re: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted+ Message-ID: <sbe66faa.062@AAASMTA.aaas.org>   J Java is an interesting language for a few reasons: the obvious fact that =I it's OOP based, and that it's pointer-less. But it also includes a boat =AJ load of libraries (for it's age, it's astounding that has almost as many =D as C and C++). You don't have to use all those libraries (the base =F language itself doesn't include anything more than C/C++ does). Most =H people choose Sun's JDK for development because it's probably the most =3 stable implementation, and it's updated very often.-  J As a programmer, I think we need to know not just several languages, but = several types of languages:-  - -At least one scripting language (DCL, Batch)g* -Something for web development (PHP, Perl) -A 4GL (SQL)0 -A quick and dirty language (Java, Visual Basic)B -A Big-guns language (something an OS could be written in - C/C++)  H I put Java in the Q&D category for a reason: it's not strong enough to =J write an OS (it needs a byte-code interpreter), but it is very powerful. =I With libraries like Swing you have the flexibility of Visual Basic, but =mE you buy almost all the power of C++. Swing and awt suffer from some =oL problems still (Swing isn't thread safe), but it approaches the flexibility=H  of VB, and is actively being improved. I've grown kind of attached to =H Java in the last couple months - I don't think it's the end-all/be-all =I language Info World or some of the other whore media outlets would have =R, you think, but it has a ton of good uses.=20  L I don't think someone who knows Visual Basic inside and out is necessicaril=J y a programmer. Programmers are problem solvers, and like a car mechanic =I or a house builder there are many tools to accomplish the job. The more =FL tools one has, the more problems they can solve effectively and efficiently= ."  I If you actually believe anything I've just said, then you recognize the =lF single worst problem the IT industry has when it comes to developing =H software are trade magazines. I work with a number of people who don't =F really know what XML is, but they're sure we need it (our website is =L constructed in SGML - a superset of XML). They read about Java and XML and =6 they think "latest and greatest - we must have it".=20  L In the future - who's to say. I know there are quite a few COV posters who =F dislike C/C++, but it has brought us a long way. Who would have ever =K expect that what R&K sort of threw together to write Unix would have come =hK this far? Then again, wasn't ALGOL supposed to replace COBOL and FORTRAN? =gF Cross platform was a big issue in the 1990s, except that Java didn't =L deliver as promised, and we all seem to be putting our eggs into fewer and =H fewer baskets. Despite my rabid distaste for all things Intel, I think =J IA-64 assembler with be beneficial for the foreseeable future. I have to =I wonder if we won't see more 4GLs in the next 10+ years as well. I don't =0J see C/C++ or Java going away anytime soon - or COBOL for that matter. My =! hope is that C# doesn't take off.1  J There is often a desire in IT to throw out that which is old. My hope is =G that as time passes, and life cycles get shorter, people will realize =iL "oops! We never should have developed that mission critical application in =J VB". Backward compatibility is what made IBM and DEC who they were - I'm =; hoping forward obsolescence will be Microsoft's undoing.=20p  D >>> Arne Vajh=F8j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> 11/05/2001 9:23:25 AM >>> Christopher Smith wrote:: > > From: Arne Vajh=F8j [mailto:arne.vajhoej@gtech.com]=20E > > > that the Sun JDK is very spartan.  Some people don't like that.2 >=20E > > Spartan ? I consider it bloated with way to much ! Have you triedu > > countingB > > the number of methods in all the java.* and javax.* packages ? >=20D > No -- I'd consider those part of the language, not the development > environment. >=20J > I meant that they only include a few command-line utilities, rather thanJ > going all-out in the way microshaft does with viral basic, and making it; > more like a paint program than a programming language. :)i  / Some may argue that JDK is actually two things:i'   - a primitive development environment <   - a component to be used by more sophisticated development environments   Most Java IDE's today uses JDK.l  9 And you can choose between commercial and freeware IDE's.e  G SUN themselves even has a freeware IDE you can download (Forte for Javar CE).   Arne   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 17:31:32 +0100 (MET)G9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i@ Subject: Re: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted; Message-ID: <01KACPUIFUGE90UTW5@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t  J > As a programmer, I think we need to know not just several languages, but > several types of languages:  > / > -At least one scripting language (DCL, Batch)W   DCL.  , > -Something for web development (PHP, Perl)  H DCL, Fortran.  Perl is often used for web development, but is there any E intrinsic advantage to using perl as opposed to, say, DCL or Fortran?S   > -A 4GL (SQL)   OK  2 > -A quick and dirty language (Java, Visual Basic)   DCL?  D > -A Big-guns language (something an OS could be written in - C/C++)   Fortran?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 10:17:26 GMTD* From: mark@*NO*SPAM*.co.uk (Mark Williams)2 Subject: Re: Global Sections for IPC - performance. Message-ID: <3be6658e.6682318@news.force9.net>  E On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:04:18 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoffh Hoffman) wrote:t  H >  Profile your code using PCA (part of DECset), PC sampling, insertion D >  of timing calls within the code, or other similar technique.  AndF >  really look and see what your code is doing -- I've learned much byH >  the simple expedient of integrating logging and debugging mechanisms H >  into any complex applications.  With a communications mechanism, thisE >  is vital -- having written these, the author of the communicationsSI >  mechanism will often get blamed for most every application bug lurkingaI >  in the system.  Occasionally, even correctly blamed.  The logging and cD >  the integrated debugging was central at resolving these problems.  F We've got the PCA now and it has identified several bottlenecks that IF was not aware of - a very useful tool.  Oddly enough we were getting aF very high page fault rate; fixing that did not result in a performance improvment.a   Cheers,i  
 Mark WilliamsC   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:11:27 -0500,2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)2 Subject: Re: Global Sections for IPC - performanceL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0511011311270001@user-2iveb9a.dialup.mindspring.com>  I In article <3be6658e.6682318@news.force9.net>, mark@*NO*SPAM*.co.uk (Marki Williams) wrote:    EH > We've got the PCA now and it has identified several bottlenecks that IH > was not aware of - a very useful tool.  Oddly enough we were getting aH > very high page fault rate; fixing that did not result in a performance
 > improvment.r  F Probably "soft" page faults.  A process can page against the free pageJ list and modified page list, without doing any disk I/O.  These faults areD fast and relatively unimportant for performance, as long as there is plenty of free memory.  P To get an idea of what kind of page faults you are seeing, look at MONITOR PAGE.H PAGE READ I/O RATE represents hard page faults -- several pages are readJ from disk in one I/O, IIRC.  Similarly PAGE WRITE I/O RATE represents hardH faults of modified pages being written back to disk.  On the other hand,A FREE LIST FAULT RATE and MODIFED LIST FAULT RATE are soft faults.i   -- t Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comg   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2001 04:04:20 -0800i1 From: a_w@it.singer-friedlander.com (Andy Wright) < Subject: Re: How to discern port to configure Canon printer?= Message-ID: <81b13452.0111050404.7d1ca6ce@posting.google.com>l  D Hi Mike. I had a very similar problem when configuring a Canon GP605@ printer/copier. Our Canon is connected to our Lan via RJ45 to an EmulexC NetQue print server. This is then outputting to the printer via thei
 9pin dtype@ on the print server to the parallel port on the printer. We have. configured the print que onthe VAX as follows:  A INI /QUE / PROC=UCX$TELNETSYM / RETAIN=ERROR / SCHEDULE=NOSIZE  - ;         /DEFAULT=(NOBURST , NOFLAG , NOTRAILER , NOFEED ) /f8 RECORD_BLOCKING/ON="???.???.???.??:2501"  print_que_name  6 START /QUE/ON="???.???.???.??:2501"     print_que_name  @ This works well for us. If you get a problem try using port 2502 instead.  
 Good luck.   Andy Wrighti    W Mikec@netins.net (Mike Czizek) wrote in message news:<9ruvck$10g$1@ins22.netins.net>..."P > We have an Alpha server running OpenVMS version 7.1.  We have had no problems R > configuring various printers to it until now.  We are attempting to configure a R > Canon ir600 printer/copier.  We obviously know the IP for the printer but we do R > not know the port number.  We have contacted our support company to discern the R > port number but they do not know.  We have attempted (though unsuccessfully) to L > configure it to ports 515, 9000 & 9100 but each of these produce an error. > K > I should mention that we have successfully configured the printer on our hC > Windows LAN so it appears not to be an inherent hardware problem.e > & > How can one discern the port number?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 11:12:30 -0500-0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>< Subject: Re: How to discern port to configure Canon printer?; Message-ID: <051120011112302071%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>s  7 In article <9ruvck$10g$1@ins22.netins.net>, Mike Czizekd <Mikec@netins.net> wrote:o  Q > We are attempting to configure a Canon ir600 printer/copier.  We obviously knowuO > the IP for the printer but we do not know the port number.  We have contactedeO > our support company to discern the port number but they do not know.  We haverQ > attempted (though unsuccessfully) to configure it to ports 515, 9000 & 9100 buth! > each of these produce an error.s  C I have heard that additional software from Canon may be required tod. print to port 9100 on this series of printers.  8 That said, other common port numbers are 2501 and 10001.  F Can you use LPR from your OpenVMS system instead of a raw socket port?   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringa   Compaq Computer Corporation    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 02:23:50 -0500-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>1. Subject: Re: How to upgrade VMS/Vax 6.0 to 6.1, Message-ID: <3BE63E82.57C90A01@videotron.ca>  L not sure if it has been mentioned: make sure you get the backup patches fromG the digital/compaq ftp site. One of the 6.* versions came with a backupaK version that generated corrupted backups which, when restored, were missingt some files.n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 09:09:03 -0500+ From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com>tC Subject: Re: Kerberos Client on OpenVMS, CSWS/APACHE, MOD_AUTH_KERB 3 Message-ID: <z3xF7.1270$RL6.32499@news.cpqcorp.net>   F >>> How can I find information concerning the porting our applications to Kerberos authentication? <<<l  3 The MIT Kerberos API documentation can be found in:x   krb$root:[doc]library.pdft  
 Rick Barry OpenVMS Engineeringv Compaq Computer Corporationl
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:46:38 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukC Subject: Re: Kerberos Client on OpenVMS, CSWS/APACHE, MOD_AUTH_KERBs+ Message-ID: <9s6mqe$g60$2@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>.  a In article <z3xF7.1270$RL6.32499@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> writes:  >rG >>>> How can I find information concerning the porting our applications   >to Kerberos authentication? <<< >t4 >The MIT Kerberos API documentation can be found in: >y >krb$root:[doc]library.pdf >h >Rick Barryo >OpenVMS Engineering >Compaq Computer Corporation >Nashua, NH  >t >s  J I found the pdf files in the VMS Kerberos distribution impossible to read.J Looked like they had been transferred along with the .ps files using ASCIIC mode ftp at some point. PDF files need transferring in binary mode.f  ' I have already reported this to Compaq.u  
 David Webb VMS and unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:36:09 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>g? Subject: Re: Keyboard problems with VMS 7.2 on AlphaStation 200d3 Message-ID: <XfzF7.1281$RL6.32605@news.cpqcorp.net>u  J Both VMS and Tru64 put the keyboard into scanset 3 mode, and program a fewI other changes.  This gets us up/down transitions without having to decodeLG the crap the KB does in it's default mode (that is, X11 handles all thesC shift/lock/ctrl/etc keys itself, we don't want "help" from the KB).e  L So.  When you stick a KB switch in front of it... you can get really strangeI behavior.   Especially if you are trying to switch between a PC and a VMS / system.  Each wants to run in a different mode..  H Ideally, the switch would send the KB reset power up code to the system,) which would cause us to reprogram the KB.E   _Fred0  ( Matthew X. Economou wrote in message ...F >I have noticed some strangeness with my PCXAL keyboard attached to myF >AlphaStation in both text mode and under DECwindows.  The keyboard isE >connected through a Master View KVM switch.  I have noticed no other B >problems on the other systems connected to the switch (aside fromC >mouse detection when Windows is restarted and doesn't have focus).d >e7 >In text mode, in either the SRM console or on "OPA0:":eC > - I cannot type a question mark "?" (shift-/ on my keyboard).  Noe >   error is signaled.E > - The number lock key won't.  (Maybe because VMS is interpreting it( >   as PF1?)D > - I can type "/", "-", and "+" on the numeric keypad, but not "*". >- >Under DECwindows:E > - The RETURN key will only enter commands at certain times (e.g. atn7 >   the DCL prompt, but not at the HELP Topic? prompt).cC > - I cannot type "<", ">", "/", or "?", but "." and "," work fine. B > - The left control key doesn't cause control characters, but theE >   right control key does.  In fact, left control seems to work likeo >   some kind of compose key.a >hA >Needless to say, I'm very confused.  Since this is not the LK411sE >keyboard mentioned in the FAQ, I'm not certain how to proceed.  DoesrF >anyone know what might be wrong, either with the keyboard or with the+ >wetware interfacing with the keyboard?  ;)1 >8 >Thanks in advance,i
 >#\Matthew >  >--t@ >"His power lies apparently in his ability to choose incompetent4 >enemies." - Crow T. Robot, MST3K, "Prince of Space"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 15:20:25 +01001= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>o Subject: Re: Printing to NLA0:?r) Message-ID: <3BE6A029.150DD2D5@gtech.com>t   John McLean wrote: > Arne Vajhj wrote: > > Rick Dyson wrote: R > > >         Does anyone know a way to setup a print queue that will not actuallyD > > > print (or physically require a printer) a job submitted to it? > >s > > There are one at:y > >u= > > http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/SYMBIONT/SYMBIONT.ZIPn > / > Does this one terminate the job immediately ?' > J >  I wrote a few years ago which copied to the NL device but it still tookI > to long to access the file to "print".  I changed it so the first thing C > the symbiont did was report an end-of-file.  It worked great withn4 > PRINT/DELETE ... jobs just disappeared in a flash.   No - it is primitive.a  = My excuse is that it is more than 10 years since I wrote it..n   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 10:40:51 GMTi* From: mark@*NO*SPAM*.co.uk (Mark Williams) Subject: Re: RWAST problemsn. Message-ID: <3be66c81.8461256@news.force9.net>  6 On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:41:10 -0800 (PST), Fabio Cardoso! <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:-   >Any suggestions ?=20o  B Try the SDA.  With this you should be able to tell exactly what is causing the problem.    
 Mark Williams    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2001 06:18:45 -0600a- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) * Subject: Re: savesets,  CDs and attributes3 Message-ID: <mtkIT9C7DYn2@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  [ In article <3BE6040C.C376AB2C@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:s > Larry Kilgallen wrote:	 >> [snip]l> >> You are looking for a level of support that does not exist. > ) > Hence, my original post in this thread.o > 	 >> [snip]o< >> For VMS to republish the ISO-9660 standard is not useful. > = > ...or necessary. What is needed is a document stating VMS'sw3 > INTERPRETATION and/or implementation of ISO-9660.e  > The interpretation of record control items is in the reference Jeff Campbell cited.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2001 06:21:24 -0600u- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)() Subject: Re: savesets, CDs and attributes)3 Message-ID: <e+$G1VQ+Y5aA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <1011104215843.355C-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:r > 
 > Strange! > L > Larry, this came out as an invisible text attachment in VMS Pine (3.91-2).  B It was posted using TECO, ANUnews and whatever non-VMS news server, is accessed by DECUServe, like all my posts.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:28:56 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>) Subject: Re: savesets, CDs and attributesa) Message-ID: <3BE69418.75F28ABC@127.0.0.1>h   Larry Kilgallen wrote:D > It was posted using TECO, ANUnews and whatever non-VMS news server. > is accessed by DECUServe, like all my posts.  G Typing errors in TECO can introduce subtle bugs, invisible to the nakedk( eye, and virtually impossible to detect.   I like TECO.  & Hoff, when's the TECO port of VMS out? --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com=   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 08:57:59 -07003 From: "David D Miller" <ddmiller@west.raytheon.com>e Subject: SPD locationgF Message-ID: <OF6687BF86.DF069C39-ON07256AFB.005792ED@rsc.raytheon.com>   Folks:  ? Where are the SPDs located.  I looked in the documentation tree @ (http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/) and couldn't find a thing.  
 TIA, dave.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:37:44 -0500  From: jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil Subject: Re: SPD locationi0 Message-ID: <01110511374407@beast.dtsw.army.mil>  6 "David D Miller" <ddmiller@west.raytheon.com> wrote on! Mon, 5 Nov 2001 08:57:59 -0700 in ; <OF6687BF86.DF069C39-ON07256AFB.005792ED@rsc.raytheon.com>:B  A > Where are the SPDs located.  I looked in the documentation treepB > (http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/) and couldn't find a thing.   http://www.compaq.com/info/spd/e  : Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com5 TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919s; 2024 West Street, Suite 300              800-810-0827 x1919i5 Annapolis, MD 21401-3556           fax   410-280-1094J   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2001 16:22:54 GMTi) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)t Subject: Re: SPD locationo' Message-ID: <9s6ecu$54f$1@joe.rice.edu>a  2 David D Miller (ddmiller@west.raytheon.com) wrote: : Folks: : A : Where are the SPDs located.  I looked in the documentation treetB : (http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/) and couldn't find a thing. :  : TIA, dave.  !   http://www.compaq.com/info/spd/i   SPD Home Page.  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 09:44:36 -07003 From: "David D Miller" <ddmiller@west.raytheon.com>J Subject: Re: SPD locationeF Message-ID: <OFC00CBB52.7EEA091B-ON07256AFB.005BDE5A@rsc.raytheon.com>  K Thanks gang!  (That was too easy.  I'll try to write a harder question nexte time :).   dave.   H ----- Forwarded by David D Miller/RWS/Raytheon/US on 11/05/2001 09:43 AM -----e    6 "David D Miller" <ddmiller@west.raytheon.com> wrote on! Mon, 5 Nov 2001 08:57:59 -0700 in ; <OF6687BF86.DF069C39-ON07256AFB.005792ED@rsc.raytheon.com>:a  A > Where are the SPDs located.  I looked in the documentation treenB > (http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/) and couldn't find a thing.   http://www.compaq.com/info/spd/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 17:40:48 +0100s( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: SPD locationm- Message-ID: <VA.000004b0.2fb27708@bluewin.ch>e  G In article <OF6687BF86.DF069C39-ON07256AFB.005792ED@rsc.raytheon.com>, - David D Miller wrote:- > Folks: > A > Where are the SPDs located.  I looked in the documentation treeHB > (http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/) and couldn't find a thing. >  > TIA, dave. >  www.compaq.com/info/spd ?U ___9
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