1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 10 Nov 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 625       Contents:% Re: Alpha to Itanium Technical Update % Re: Alpha to Itanium Technical Update   ANN: MGFTP V2.7 is now available Attaching VT420 terminal Re: Attaching VT420 terminal Re: Attaching VT420 terminal Re: Attaching VT420 terminal: Re: CLIUTL 2.0 ECO prevents showing username on SHOW ENTRY Re: Compaq guarantees? Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble  Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble  Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble  Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble  Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble  Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble  Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble  Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble  Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble $ Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking$ Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking$ Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking Re: Disk Defragmenters DS20 going cheap in the UK !!!D Re: Editing DCL command lines longer than the current terminal widthD Re: Editing DCL command lines longer than the current terminal width Re: Emacs-2[01] on VMS Re: Emacs-2[01] on VMS files with long lines  RE: files with long lines  RE: files with long lines  RE: files with long lines / Re: files with long lines (reading from Pascal)  Re: Filesystem (disk) size?  filesystem traces  Re: filesystem traces  Re: filesystem traces  Re: filesystem traces  Re: filesystem traces  Re: filesystem traces + Re: filesystem traces (whatever that means)  RE: filk humour 2 Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger!2 Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger!2 Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger!2 RE: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger!2 Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger!2 Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger!2 Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger!2 Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger!2 Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger!2 Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger!2 Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger!( Re: Ionas Orbix and BEAs Weblogic on VMS Re: LIB$xxx * Re: Name Change of Alpha Server 4000 5/300* Re: Need help, was: Rob's British Champion* O.T. (was Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble)* O.T. (was Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble). Re: O.T. (was Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble). Re: O.T. (was Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble)A Re: Rob's British Champion, was: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking  TCIP Service UDP/TCP TCPIP 5.1 POP Server glitch  Re: TCPIP 5.1 POP Server glitch  Re: Test -- Ignore Re: Test -- Ignore& RE: Verify contents of the floppy disk? VMS 7.1 Alpha installation on PWS 433a (with correct SCSI card)  Re: VMS721_CLIUTL-0200 Status? Re: where is 7.3? - [2]O.T. (was Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 13:36:50 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: Re: Alpha to Itanium Technical Update3 Message-ID: <nqWD3wBzrQGN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3bec117e$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:M >>Gaitan D'Antoni will be presenting a valuable to our ISV's and customers on  >>the following dates: > 5 > A valuable what?  There seems to be a missing word.   * A valuable.  It's also a noun. Look it up.  F Since Compaq is not in the jewelry business, I presume the hospitalityJ gift for each participant will be some other valuable, perhaps a DS10. :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 19:43:28 GMT * From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler). Subject: Re: Alpha to Itanium Technical Update2 Message-ID: <9shbl0$s4k$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu>  3 In article <nqWD3wBzrQGN@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:d > In article <3bec117e$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:N >>>Gaitan D'Antoni will be presenting a valuable to our ISV's and customers on >>>the following dates:  >>  6 >> A valuable what?  There seems to be a missing word. > , > A valuable.  It's also a noun. Look it up. > H > Since Compaq is not in the jewelry business, I presume the hospitalityL > gift for each participant will be some other valuable, perhaps a DS10. :-)    L Maybe someone will be displaying their "family jewels"...the purpose of such0 a display is left as an exercise for the reader.   Brian    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 22:04:48 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) ) Subject: ANN: MGFTP V2.7 is now available 1 Message-ID: <3bec509e.186200812@news.process.com>   ) MGFTP V2.7 is now available for download.   D MGFTP is an FTP client and server for OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS Alpha.E It can be used instead of or in addition to the FTP client and server I provided by your TCP/IP stack.  TCP/IP Services (UCX) sites in particular E should check out MGFTP, as it supports STRU O VMS for file transfers. M Other highlights include the ability to store aliases for frequently-accessed G systems, the ability to check a transfer's progress by pressing CTRL-A, = full, easy support for ANONYMOUS FTP accounts, and lots more.   B MGFTP V2.7 includes several enhancements and bug fixes, including:  F    - the ability to use FTP URLs to retrieve files.  For example, withF      MGFTP V2.7, the following command could be used to fetch the kit:  F      $ ftp/url "ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/mgftp.zip"  3    - support for wildcard renames in the FTP server   I    - support for interface-specific hostnames on multi-interface machines       - NETLIB V2.3B is included   D    - documentation in PDF format, in addition to text, PS, HTML, and      Bookreader   0 You can get MGFTP V2.7 using the following URLs:  D http://www.process.com/openvms/         !Our OpenVMS Resource Center  5 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/mgftp.zip 1 ftp://ftp.tmk.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/mgftp.zip 6 http://www.tmk.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/mgftp.zip( ftp://ftp.madgoat.com/madgoat/mgftp.zip0  ( And on the mirror sites within 24 hours.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 19:07:00 GMT " From: b_hterag@pacbell.net.invalid! Subject: Attaching VT420 terminal + Message-ID: <9sh9gk0ieu@enews2.newsguy.com> . Keywords: VT420 serial terminal OpenVMS attach  E I recently managed to acquire OpenVMS 7.2-1 off eBay and installed it F on my AlphaStation 200 4/233 (hobbyist licenses) in order to resurrectA the machine. I have also connected a VT420 terminal (the genuine  K artifact, with LK411 keyboard) to the second serial port (TTA0:, I believe, 
 per the FAQ).   G This terminal is not intended as an operator console, but as a regular  * user terminal once the VMS box has booted.  L The terminal is set to all the factory defaults (8-N-1, 9600, XOFF=64, 7bit)+ yet even though I can get the login banner:   ?  Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1   	 Username:   I I cannot enter anything at the username line. No keystrokes are echoed to G the screen, and no reaction occurs when <Return> is hit. After about 30 G seconds the connection will time-out with "Error reading command input"  and "Timeout period expired".   9 I'm setting up the terminal on the host with the command: ; $ SET TERM TTA0: /SPEED=9600 /NOEIGHT /DEV=VT400 /PERMANENT    $ SHOW TERM TTA0: > Terminal: _TTA0:      Device_Type: VT400_Series  Owner: _TTA0:?                                               Username: <login>   B    Input:    9600     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None6    Output:   9600     CRfill:  0      Page:   24         Terminal Characteristics: E    Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape ?    No Hostsync        TTsync             Lowercase          Tab G    Wrap               Scope              No Remote          No Eightbit C    Broadcast          No Readsync        No Form            Fulldup E    No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        No Hangup E    No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speed G    Commsync           Line Editing       Overstrike editing No Fallback F    No Dialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No PasthruK    No Syspassword     No SIXEL Graphics  No Soft Characters No Printer Port I    Numeric Keypad     ANSI_CRT           No Regis           No Block_mode D    Advanced_video     Edit_mode          DEC_CRT            DEC_CRT2I    DEC_CRT3           DEC_CRT4           No DEC_CRT5        No Ansi_Color     VMS Style Input  < I've also looked at the OpenVMS documentation, specifically M http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6017/6017pro_026.html#dev_terminal " (Section 7.6 - Managing Terminals)' which isn't much help in this case. :-)   H Based on my experiences getting this terminal working with various typesH of UNIX, getting the login banner is 90% of the battle. Which is why I'mH perplexed that I can get that no trouble at all, but can't type anything# or otherwise login from the device.   5 Am I missing something? Or just plain doing it wrong?   C Thanks, from a lapsed VMS-newbie, who's seeing the light again. :-)    --    Gareth Boulton   !       gareth_b(at)pacbell(dot)net    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 17:47:03 -0800 + From: chris_doran@my-deja.com (Chris Doran) % Subject: Re: Attaching VT420 terminal ; Message-ID: <b5f3f0d8.0111091747.d29a19@posting.google.com>   U b_hterag@pacbell.net.invalid wrote in message news:<9sh9gk0ieu@enews2.newsguy.com>...  >...K > I cannot enter anything at the username line. No keystrokes are echoed to I > the screen, and no reaction occurs when <Return> is hit. After about 30 I > seconds the connection will time-out with "Error reading command input"  > and "Timeout period expired".  > ; > I'm setting up the terminal on the host with the command: = > $ SET TERM TTA0: /SPEED=9600 /NOEIGHT /DEV=VT400 /PERMANENT  >  > $ SHOW TERM TTA0: @ > Terminal: _TTA0:      Device_Type: VT400_Series  Owner: _TTA0:A >                                               Username: <login>  > D >    Input:    9600     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None8 >    Output:   9600     CRfill:  0      Page:   24       >  > Terminal Characteristics: G >    Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape A >    No Hostsync        TTsync             Lowercase          Tab I >    Wrap               Scope              No Remote          No Eightbit E >    Broadcast          No Readsync        No Form            Fulldup G >    No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        No Hangup G >    No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speed I >    Commsync           Line Editing       Overstrike editing No Fallback 
 > ...^^^^^^^^   F I think it's Commsync that's getting you. Anyway, I've just screwed upD my console terminal by turning it on :-) Try SET TERM /NOCOMMSYNC...   Chris    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 02:26:21 GMT ! From: no.spam@spam.spam.eggs.spam % Subject: Re: Attaching VT420 terminal A Message-ID: <1005359181.7983.0.nnrp-01.9e982739@news.demon.co.uk>    Hmmm.   ? If you are certain that you are using default settings, and the @ receive speed=transmit speed, then you may have a comms problem. either a wiring  fault or maybe a faulty port.   % nic at python dot demon dot co dot uk    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Nov 2001 04:55:27 GMT" From: b_hterag@pacbell.net.invalid% Subject: Re: Attaching VT420 terminal , Message-ID: <9sibvv026vm@enews2.newsguy.com>  # no.spam@spam.spam.eggs.spam wrote:  1 [  Ah, the mark of a fellow Python user... :-)  ]   A > If you are certain that you are using default settings, and the B > receive speed=transmit speed, then you may have a comms problem. > either a wiring  > fault or maybe a faulty port.   ; I knew the cable to be fine, but didn't suspect the port...   C I was actually hit with two problems. Chris Doran (first response)  B suggested I lose the COMMSYNC setting. I'd been running with it onD TTA0: since I appeared to be making headway with having that settingG enabled. But I kept hitting a brick wall wherein I could actually enter F the required username but not all characters would make it across when entering the password.  J I removed the COMMSYNC setting (as Chris suggested, whilst still on TTA0:)H and didn't even get the login banner. So then I tried your suggestion of changing ports...   E Lo and behold, everything works first time! (Bar having to change the $ speed of the connection, of course.)  @ Thanks to both of you for the suggestions. I'm happy again. :-)     'Cept for my dead TTA0 port. :-(   --     Gareth Boulton     gareth_b(@)pacbell(.)net   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:51:30 -0500  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>C Subject: Re: CLIUTL 2.0 ECO prevents showing username on SHOW ENTRY 4 Message-ID: <1011109195024.354B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  % On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, john nixon wrote:   M > Now that makes two queue mangaer problems reported with this patch.   I had N > them pospone that patch last week while I tried to get more information.  WeL > are heavily dependent on the queue manager system for our applications.  IL > am going to postpone this patch again till I can  find out more aobut thisD > problem.  Does it happen for everyone?   Is anyone researching it?  > Same thing here.  I renamed sys$system:queman.exe_old to .exe, install replace queman to fix.   > ; > "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@aster.si> wrote in message , > news:6JPG7.1069$x52.31216@news.siol.net... > > Hi,  > > G > > After instaling VMS721_CLIUTL V2.0 on VMS 7.2-1 I can no longer see K > > usernames in SHOW QUE/ALL and SHOW ENTRY regardless of my privileges. I 1 > > always get "no privilege" on username column.  > >  > > best, Gorazd > >  > >  > > --8 > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Gorazd Kikelj  > > OpenVMS system support > > Aster d.o.o." > > e-mail: gorazd.kikelj@aster.si > > www:  www.aster.si > >  > >  > >  >  >  >  >    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 19:45:48 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Compaq guarantees? A Message-ID: <LnWG7.72676$7x1.6375373@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   < Bill Gunshannon <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message$ news:9sh28k$sb$2@info.cs.uofs.edu...C > In article <7iBG7.62541$7x1.5399089@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, / >  "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  > |>H > |> Not entirely clear.  If the deal doesn't not specify limitations on Compaq'sL > |> option to resurrect Alpha, then they only put the gun (solidly) to bothJ > |> feet, and with inspired prosthetic surgery *could* walk again if they wereJ > |> so inclined:  while most of the EV8 engineers have gone to Intel, the designH > |> may have been far enough along to be completed by the EV7 engineers CompaqI > |> has left (plus any of those encouraged to leave who became convinced  thatG > |> this time EV8 was for real and found Itanic less to their liking).  > H > Well, unless The Emancipation Proclamation was revoked sometime when I2 > wasn't looking, what's wrong with this scenario: >   Merger falls thru.C >   Comnpaq's new managment decides to revive Alpha and VMS as core  technolgies.B >   Compaq advertises for Processor Engineers to work on new Alpha processors. I >   Former Alpha Engineers leave Intel and take jobs with the new Compaq.  > L > I do not believe ther is any kind of agreement between those two companiesL > that could bind the employees or restrict in any way their ability to earn > a living.   H No, and that was not my suggestion.  It was that there could be explicitH limits on Compaq's right to resurrect Alpha - e.g., since they said theyI were going to centralize their OS platforms on IA64 (gee, would that be a K 'commitment'?) they might not have the option to continue the Alpha program J unless IA64 platforms failed to materialize as expected (regardless of theH high likelihood that even if they do they'll be inferior, since that was known at deal time).   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 18:43:54 +0000i4 From: Andrew Swallow <andrew.swallow@baesystems.com>( Subject: Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble. Message-ID: <3BEC23EA.7E0C1871@baesystems.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: >  [snip]G > > So analysts are now coming to the view that it is mainly the ex-DECeE > > and Tandem bits of the company which are worth saving. Even going I > > further than that and saying the company would actually *increase* inoI > > current value if it got out of the PC market. Maybe just maybe things  > > are looking up.e  $ Lets bring in some marketing theory.  4 The buyers for a product can be divided up into sets4 of similar groups.  The needs of each group tends to1 be different.  They also buy from different shopsa
 and salesmen.   3 Common segments are men, women, children, families, 2 companies, military, civil service and builders.   There are others.d  7 Companies normally sell a limited range of products in d5 one or two segments.  For instance, IBM is one of thee4 worlds most successful computer makers - it made the7 PC respectable.  IBM failed to sell the PC to families,e6 repeating its failure with typewriters.  That 'B' does stand for business.y  4 My view of HP is a seller of expensive oscilloscopes2 and other tools for engineers.  I see Compaq as a 1 seller of cheap PC to the general public via higha
 street shops.s  6 There is no obvious long term overlap between the two.  4 VMS is an operating system for companies able to run1 batch jobs like the monthly payroll.  It also hasp2 a built in VDU device handler that permits several1 people to run programs online.  It may or may notp have heard of a mouse.  1 The PC is a single user computer that is good at a5 playing Tomb Raider.  Unlike some games machines the y. keyboard is also useful for typing letters and
 documents.  5 Windows is a single user operating system that allowsn3 50 year old secretaries to produce the minutes of aH4 meeting on the same day it appears on her desk.  Use1 of a mouse permits the woman to prepare and print 7 the minutes without having to learn a command language..5 The poor batch system means that all actions have to  2 be driven by the user (DOS is a little different).  0 Mail servers can run for 6 months without anyone3 needing to give an order; then only to confirm that:' the time does need adjusting by 1 hour.S  2 I am a computer programmer who is typing this on a, HP Vectra at work and have a Compaq at home.  	 Questionsg  0 What is HP doing mass producing computers?  They1 need a minimum price of say 5,000 dollars just to  pay the salesman commission.  / What was Compaq doing buying Digital?  VAXs anda- PDP11s are not suitable for housewife's.  The-4 production lines are set up to make high reliability! machines, not lots of cheap ones.r   The future.p  / I suppose that HP could use VMS to run the main * computer in a laboratory full of automated. test/production  machines.  The network would 6 permit the accountants to control the stock from their desks.  2 The PC divisions of Compaq and HP could become the7 marketing and distribution department of an Asian (low  3 cost) manufacturer.  This service company may be an  independent company.  2 In summary merging HP, Compaq and Digital does not2 make sense to me.  By splitting the mess up it may0 be possible to produce some sane companies but I am suspicious. -- p7 _______________________________________________________a+ Andrew Swallow (7605) 2225   Cowes site, UKi andrew.swallow@baesystems.comj   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 20:24:20 +0100m& From: John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch>( Subject: Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble* Message-ID: <3BEC2D64.4EA53BED@dplanet.ch>   Alan Greig wrote:e > E > So analysts are now coming to the view that it is mainly the ex-DECeC > and Tandem bits of the company which are worth saving. Even going G > further than that and saying the company would actually *increase* insG > current value if it got out of the PC market. Maybe just maybe thingsu > are looking up.p >  > -- > Alan    / Well, I bet that thinking took a real effort...r  6 Look at the figures (annual financial statements) ...   H In the three years (1998-2000), PC's produced revenue of $55.679 billionD but have cost $55.685 billion, thus making a loss of $6 million.  InF that time PCs were the cause of 52% of the total costs but returned 0%C of the total income; Enterprise systems incurred 32.4% of costs but E produced 56% of income; Global services (the other big part) incurrede* 15.3% of costs and produced 44% of income.  H To put it another way, without PCs to influence revenues and costs, overH the 3 years Compaq would have made a profit of $6 billion on expenses ofD only $51 billion, not the $106 billion of expenses but no additional. profit when PC's are included in the equation.  D Compaq has to face facts.  PC's have big expenses and produce littleF return.  It was not so bad when sales volumes were high and the marginD was reasonable, but now the volume is down and the margins are razorD thin.  In the good times (late 1990's) Compaq did fine with PC's butB they are still carrying a lot of the baggage that they accumulated during those good years.  ) The problem with PC's is all the costs...o/ - transport (from the manufacturing Asia, IIRC) 3 - warehousing (costs of the building and the staff)sH - distribution (the contents of each cardboard box is sold separately so there's a lot of handling) - loading OS's (per box) i2 - sales staff (whose knowledge is limited to PC's); - marketing (to sell these products but which incurs costs), - commission to Microsoft 1 - administration (to look after all of the above):D - out-of-date inventory that no-one wants to buy, but has incurred a cost t  D ...and all of that has to be covered by a few hundred dollars profit margin per unit.  H In the good years (late 1990's and even in the dot.com boom time) CompaqH probably increased its PC-oriented staff to handle all this. The problemH is that after 1999 (PC replacements to counter potential Y2K issues) andG 2000 (dot com collapse), Compaq continues to employ all these PC people  and incur all these costs.  F PC's can make profits (as Dell have shown), but not when you have this kind of cost burden to support.   = Sure Compaq have done a little to reduce inventory and reduceeH warehousing costs over the last 12 to 18 months, but it is a drop in the ocean.  G What they need to do is slash the PC-oriented parts of the company by arA big amount (35% or even 50%) and concentrate on the segments thata@ produce reasonable income ("Enterprise" at about 56%, and Global> services at about 44%).  Reduce the PC warehousing, reduce theD PC-oriented staff (support, sales and admin) and thing will start to look a whole lot better.  F I can understand the reluctance of the Hewlett and Packard families to> continue with the burden of PCs. Sacred cows really have to be sacrificed !     John McLeana   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 19:38:08 GMTt From: a@b.net (K.Bonechoker)( Subject: Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble2 Message-ID: <AgWG7.471$_p1.153207@news.uswest.net>  L In article <2ranutsui3pag6rj3osklhnk9be5n9vpum@4ax.com>, a.greig@virgin.net  says...o >xF >On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 22:09:37 GMT, Peter Hern <Peter.Hern@Compute.com> >wrote:M >A >>From:=O >>http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?T=marketsquote99_news.ht&s=AO_r3lRY0Q29t  cG >Fxp >> >0P >>The company has $3.94 billion in cash and equivalents, a server business that  an
 >nalysts said H >>is worth more than $8 a share on its own and a brand name that's well 	 regarded l >by consumers.0 >>Hewlett-Packard backing off wouldn't end that. >iD >So analysts are now coming to the view that it is mainly the ex-DECB >and Tandem bits of the company which are worth saving. Even goingF >further than that and saying the company would actually *increase* inF >current value if it got out of the PC market. Maybe just maybe things >are looking up.    B http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO65448,00.html  H Dan Kusnetzky, an analyst at IDC in Framingham, Mass., said the Hewlett J family is probably concerned about the loss of business from Fortune 1,000I companies when products from Tandem and Digital -- acquired by Compaq in   1997 -- are phased out.   J "They're planning to retire those products as soon as possible [after the J merger]. Anyone using those products will strike back by buying them from  competitors," said Kusnetzky.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 13:38:40 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s( Subject: Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble3 Message-ID: <6ItSwF5I8w6h@eisner.encompasserve.org>S  e In article <3BEC23EA.7E0C1871@baesystems.com>, Andrew Swallow <andrew.swallow@baesystems.com> writes:t > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> v > [snip]H >> > So analysts are now coming to the view that it is mainly the ex-DECF >> > and Tandem bits of the company which are worth saving. Even goingJ >> > further than that and saying the company would actually *increase* inJ >> > current value if it got out of the PC market. Maybe just maybe things >> > are looking up. > & > Lets bring in some marketing theory.  7 Please watch your quoting.  None of those are my words.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 12:46:09 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>g( Subject: Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble( Message-ID: <3BEC3281.494700F3@mmaz.com>   "K.Bonechoker" wrote:<  F > >So analysts are now coming to the view that it is mainly the ex-DECD > >and Tandem bits of the company which are worth saving. Even goingH > >further than that and saying the company would actually *increase* inH > >current value if it got out of the PC market. Maybe just maybe things > >are looking up. > D > http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO65448,00.html >:I > Dan Kusnetzky, an analyst at IDC in Framingham, Mass., said the HewletteL > family is probably concerned about the loss of business from Fortune 1,000J > companies when products from Tandem and Digital -- acquired by Compaq in > 1997 -- are phased out.  > K > "They're planning to retire those products as soon as possible [after the K > merger]. Anyone using those products will strike back by buying them fromp > competitors," said Kusnetzky.N  Q I cannot tell you how many times I have voiced that exact sentimate!  I have zero M interest in Compaq Wintel products, I can get that stuff from a zillion otherRS sources, cheaper, better, and faster.  What I want from Compaq is what I cannot get O from anywhere else, VMS.  Without VMS, Compaq can suck eggs...  Curley and crewyO just do not get this though, but I know there are other VMS and Tru64 shops outtN there that feel the same way...  Bottom line, Compaq hasn't a clue to what theH people in the 'money-making' portion of their business wants, needs, and requires...M   Barry    --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO6  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028V   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 16:51:16 -0600d- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)a( Subject: Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble3 Message-ID: <TWR5FxYYSVdI@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  Q In article <AgWG7.471$_p1.153207@news.uswest.net>, a@b.net (K.Bonechoker) writes:e  D > http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO65448,00.html > J > Dan Kusnetzky, an analyst at IDC in Framingham, Mass., said the Hewlett L > family is probably concerned about the loss of business from Fortune 1,000K > companies when products from Tandem and Digital -- acquired by Compaq in f > 1997 -- are phased out.  > L > "They're planning to retire those products as soon as possible [after the L > merger]. Anyone using those products will strike back by buying them from   > competitors," said Kusnetzky.   A Yes, I'll take two Non-Stop Himalayas and a Galaxy-class machine.h> Do you have them in stock at my local Gateway Country outlet ?   ====  8 (US joke, tough luck you folks from other countries :-).   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 23:18:30 GMTa* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>( Subject: Re: Compaq/HP merger in troubleB Message-ID: <avZG7.120392$tb2.9476302@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  8 Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:TWR5FxYYSVdI@eisner.encompasserve.org...eK > In article <AgWG7.471$_p1.153207@news.uswest.net>, a@b.net (K.Bonechoker)i writes:  >rF > > http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO65448,00.html > >hK > > Dan Kusnetzky, an analyst at IDC in Framingham, Mass., said the HewlettpH > > family is probably concerned about the loss of business from Fortune 1,000-L > > companies when products from Tandem and Digital -- acquired by Compaq in > > 1997 -- are phased out.I > >.I > > "They're planning to retire those products as soon as possible [after3 the0H > > merger]. Anyone using those products will strike back by buying them from! > > competitors," said Kusnetzky.d >tC > Yes, I'll take two Non-Stop Himalayas and a Galaxy-class machine.r@ > Do you have them in stock at my local Gateway Country outlet ?  H Only if they stock the fault-tolerant IA32 products from Stratus and theK partitionable IA32 systems from Unisys.  But they could probably arrange torJ order some, which is likely the same as you'd have to do getting them fromH Compaq, and if Unix is more your cup of tea then Sun will happily supplyL fault-tolerant or partitionable configurations, as IBM will in the mainframeK space (and possibly elsewhere - I'm not well-acquainted with their complete0
 product set).   J No, they won't be *exact* substitutes, but if DEC didn't realize the valueL of its products in the '90s and Compaq hasn't realized it more recently, whyJ expect that HP will, being yet one more step removed from them?  I have noC reason to believe that Kuznetsky has any better information on HP's K post-acquisition plans than we do, but the contention is hardly incredible.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 03:14:31 GMT  From: anon<anon@anon.com>-( Subject: Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble- Message-ID: <MPG.16563b68e1bada049896c2@news>l  B In article <AgWG7.471$_p1.153207@news.uswest.net>, a@b.net says...J > Dan Kusnetzky, an analyst at IDC in Framingham, Mass., said the Hewlett L > family is probably concerned about the loss of business from Fortune 1,000K > companies when products from Tandem and Digital -- acquired by Compaq in i > 1997 -- are phased out.  > L > "They're planning to retire those products as soon as possible [after the L > merger]. Anyone using those products will strike back by buying them from  > competitors," said Kusnetzky., >   H Both Fiorina and Capellas have told customer execs that NonStop is here H to stay. Who would buy a company (Compaq), take its most successful and A profitable division (NonStop products), and retire its products? g  5 So, he thinks they bought Compaq for its PC business.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 23:52:33 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>l( Subject: Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble, Message-ID: <3BECB28F.16EA17BB@videotron.ca>   Andrew Swallow wrote:a6 > My view of HP is a seller of expensive oscilloscopes  > and other tools for engineers.  I Historically , the word "high quality" was also included in this. I still J remember an early computer geek at high school trumpeting his programmableJ reverse polish calculator and all the fancy stuff he could do with it, and( especiually how robust that machine was.  R HP's focus onto low end PCs has eroded much of that "quality" image in my opinion.     >  I see Compaq as a3 > seller of cheap PC to the general public via highs > street shops.t  J I don't associate "cheap PC" with Compaq. I see Compaq as selling PCs or aL fair quality with its own proprietary intricacies to keep customers captive.M While not "low end stuff" it probably has "adequate quality" instead of "high  quality" image.p  1 > What was Compaq doing buying Digital?  VAXs andf+ > PDP11s are not suitable for housewife's.      I At the time, the thought was that Compaq wanted to expand to the high end0G business serius stuff. IBM went from the high end to the PC, and CompaqmJ expected to be able to do the reverse. The problem occured when culture atL Compaq thougt that the goal was to cannabalise the "high end" stuff and move' customers over to the low end NT stuff.y    L Your image of VMS as a batch engine to run your payroll is a good example ofK what those Compaq folks probably thought of VMS as, and thus didn't realiseoM its potential. VMS is capable of supporting workstations with a GUI, has have L fancy word processing (DECwrite), spreadsheet etc etc software in a GUI modeK for longer than Windows *AND* has all the big stuff (servers, batch enginesrI etc etc). But they purposefully priced the workstation stuff above the PCm5 marketplace so as to not cananabalise their PC sales.i  J They saw far more growth potential in PCs than in VMS. The problem is that4 they didn't realise that PCs wouldn't be profitable.  E Has Casio become a world leader in computing ? No. Making watches and T calculators just doesn't generate the profits/margins compared to making mainframes.  1 > I suppose that HP could use VMS to run the main , > computer in a laboratory full of automated > test/production  machines. e  J It could, but it won't. Carly has stated that they would focus on industryK standard open solutiosn (eg: wintel or unix). Instead of providing productsuG with a differentiating factor, they are striving to make their productsm* indistinguishable from the other vendors'.  4 > The PC divisions of Compaq and HP could become the8 > marketing and distribution department of an Asian (low > cost) manufacturer.h  L Yes, that is my initial thought. On the other hand, one of the problems withE Compaq isn't so much the building but the whole overhead of a bloated G sales/distribution architecture. Remember that much of that building issW outsourced to contractor such as Celestica etc who build PCs for many PC manufacturers.s  4 > In summary merging HP, Compaq and Digital does not > make sense to me.   M It would make sense for HOp to announce it is dropping cheap PCs and focusingtK on serious systems and buying Alpha , VMS and Tru64 and Tandem from Compaq,i> allowing Compaq to focus on what it really wants: making PCs.   @ Unfortunatly, both Carly and Curly want to focus on wintel junk.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 19:47:18 GMTi* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>- Subject: Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kickinggB Message-ID: <apWG7.117881$tb2.9300885@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  3 Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagew7 news:d7791aa1.0111090908.41e096af@posting.google.com...t7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messaget= news:<dwiG7.49095$7x1.4546371@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...r: > > Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message1 > > news:P2vdnt59e7mS@eisner.encompasserve.org...d; > > > In article <3BE99AA6.9BE22DD0@videotron.ca>, JF Mezeia* > > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > >.L > > The problem is, transitioning to another platform also has major upsidesF > > that simply migrating to VMS on Itanic does not.  At least it does unlessJ > > the ISV is planning on using his/her product as a cash cow in the sameK > > manner that Compaq uses VMS, in which case the ability to bleed captivepL > > customers on a product that may not have any wider audience anyway could > > make sense._ > >_F > > For any other ISV (that doesn't already offer its product on other	 platforms.H > > and thus have even less reason to bother migrating the VMS version), portingrK > > to a vastly more popular platform may well make a great deal more sensee thanH > > expending the effort to accommodate the portion of the shrinking VMS/ > > population that may wish to move to Itanic.y > >e
 > > - bill >aH > if you call blue screens and spending 80% of my time patching security bugs7 > a major upside, your above comment makes no sense ...   L Get a grip, Bob.  Windows isn't the only vastly more popular alternative out( there, and some of them aren't half bad.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 20:08:54 GMTt* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>- Subject: Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking B Message-ID: <qJWG7.117950$tb2.9315124@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  3 Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messages< news:apWG7.117881$tb2.9300885@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... >d5 > Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messager9 > news:d7791aa1.0111090908.41e096af@posting.google.com...o9 > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messaget? > news:<dwiG7.49095$7x1.4546371@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...v< > > > Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message3 > > > news:P2vdnt59e7mS@eisner.encompasserve.org... = > > > > In article <3BE99AA6.9BE22DD0@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei , > > > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > > >eF > > > The problem is, transitioning to another platform also has major upsidessH > > > that simply migrating to VMS on Itanic does not.  At least it does > unlessL > > > the ISV is planning on using his/her product as a cash cow in the sameE > > > manner that Compaq uses VMS, in which case the ability to bleedr captivehH > > > customers on a product that may not have any wider audience anyway coulda > > > make sense.  > > >lH > > > For any other ISV (that doesn't already offer its product on other > platformstJ > > > and thus have even less reason to bother migrating the VMS version),	 > portingoG > > > to a vastly more popular platform may well make a great deal more  sensec > thanJ > > > expending the effort to accommodate the portion of the shrinking VMS1 > > > population that may wish to move to Itanic.y > > >a > > > - bill > >tJ > > if you call blue screens and spending 80% of my time patching security > bugs9 > > a major upside, your above comment makes no sense ...t >mJ > Get a grip, Bob.  Windows isn't the only vastly more popular alternative outT* > there, and some of them aren't half bad.  H Dear me, I seem to have responded too quickly and missed the main point:I ISVs are in business to make money, which they usually can do best on thec> most popular platforms even if those platforms are utter crap.  E Your posts in general do not reflect much understanding of either theeJ overall situation or the specific material you respond to.  If you were to9 think more before you type, they'd be more worth reading.    - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 21:50:30 -0800a( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)- Subject: Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking%= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0111092150.12e535e6@posting.google.com>g  t "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<apWG7.117881$tb2.9300885@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...5 > Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagel9 > news:d7791aa1.0111090908.41e096af@posting.google.com... 9 > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message-@ >  news:<dwiG7.49095$7x1.4546371@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...< > > > Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message3 > > > news:P2vdnt59e7mS@eisner.encompasserve.org... = > > > > In article <3BE99AA6.9BE22DD0@videotron.ca>, JF Mezeie, > > > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > > >:N > > > The problem is, transitioning to another platform also has major upsidesH > > > that simply migrating to VMS on Itanic does not.  At least it does	 >  unless>L > > > the ISV is planning on using his/her product as a cash cow in the sameM > > > manner that Compaq uses VMS, in which case the ability to bleed captivebN > > > customers on a product that may not have any wider audience anyway could > > > make sense.. > > >SH > > > For any other ISV (that doesn't already offer its product on other >  platformsJ > > > and thus have even less reason to bother migrating the VMS version),
 >  portingM > > > to a vastly more popular platform may well make a great deal more senseM >  than J > > > expending the effort to accommodate the portion of the shrinking VMS1 > > > population that may wish to move to Itanic.l > > >I > > > - bill > >aJ > > if you call blue screens and spending 80% of my time patching security >  bugsF9 > > a major upside, your above comment makes no sense ...a > N > Get a grip, Bob.  Windows isn't the only vastly more popular alternative out* > there, and some of them aren't half bad. >  > - bill  C so your point is there are only some half good alternatives to vms?pE what else is there? unix and linux (gag)?  I was on os400 for a month : and that's about all I could take on it?  any other ideas?   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:55:06 GMT' From: Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU>n Subject: Re: Disk Defragmenterss) Message-ID: <3BEC5ECA.9BF7D7D1@UIowa.EDU>a  K DFO (or Defrag/DFG) also has an X interface that makes it pretty simple to sN configure scripts, etc. all at once and then commit.  It gets around having to@ look up all the parameters and qualifiers...  Just like any GUI.   $ Defrag /Interface = Windowso    N Since it is "free" for CSLG, it is great IMHO.  Though I never tried to othersO since they would have cost something.  DFG has never hurt me and helps keep therP disk performance up if you have lots of files and not simply huge databases that" are contiguous to begin with... :)   rick   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:14:43 -05000 From: "Island Computers" <dbturner@islandco.com>' Subject: DS20 going cheap in the UK !!!e/ Message-ID: <tuovbur2i18e37@news.supernews.com>h  3 We have the following in the UK depot ready to shipo    $ DS20 Refurbished by Island Computers( 1.25GB RAM (256MB DEC and 1GB Camintonn), 4 x 18GB Ultra Wide SCSI 7200RPM Disk drives( KZPAC-AA Ultra WIde SCSI RAID Controller' DE500-BA 10/100 Ethernet Controller PCI  3DLabs VX1 Oxygen 32MB PCI Cardo VMS EIP Licenses   1 Year Warranty:  - Price exclusive of VAT US$7699 or 8000 Euro'sm! No Shipping Charge anywhere in EUy         We sell Alpha systems & partsf http://www.islandco.com0 sales@islandco.com Island Computers US Corp.i 2700 Gregory StreetC Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0096n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 20:23:28 +0100n( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>M Subject: Re: Editing DCL command lines longer than the current terminal widtha- Message-ID: <VA.000004b5.44e0d78e@bluewin.ch>   < In article <3BE6FF27.7060300@compaq.com>, John Reagan wrote: > Simon Clubley wrote: > L > > PS: Just had an idea: Does the VMS port of bash (for people without UnixL > > experience, it's a Unix CLI) allow you to edit command lines longer thanH > > the current terminal width, and if so, can you get it to execute DCL > > commands ? > >  > K > I just tried my latest bash. I typed a very long command that wrapped to pH > the next line.  The left-arrow key would go back from the 2nd line to J > the first.  I could add additional non-space characters and the rest of I > the command line would push out as expected.  However, when I tried to 0K > insert spaces or tabs, the resulting command line was garbled.  I didn't 03 >   spend any time trying to track down the reason.u >cL No difference between spaces and non-space characters here (SuSE 7.2). Tabs 0 appear to be ignored, and don't garble anything. ___e
 Paul Sture Switzerlandh   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Nov 2001 00:35:19 GMT- From: Joe Heimann <heimann@nog.ecs.umass.edu>lM Subject: Re: Editing DCL command lines longer than the current terminal widthn, Message-ID: <9shso7$90i$1@odo.ecs.umass.edu>  0 Rob Brooks <brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:= > Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:  >> Fred wrote: >>> B >>> The problem is that DCL relies on the terminal driver for thisI >>> functionality, and nobody has wanted to try and tackle the multi-linerM >>> editing problem in the terminal driver.  If DCL were doing it all itself,s' >>> then the task would be far simpler.m >>> D >> How many lines of code (in what language) is the terminal driver?A >> Is it a bug or feature that DCL relies on the terminal driver? I >> Was there a reason not to have this in the terminal driver, or was it   >> just an oversight?m  A >   TTDRIVER is built from a few modules written in Macro-32.  It1L > was a design decision that the command-line editing is done in the driver.A > This decision was made, of course, back in the early 80's, when75 > command-line editing came about in VAX/VMS (V4.0?).   E Possibly in V4.2, as I recall that was when the TT driver changed how4E it worked.  Remember it because it broke the handling of flow controlaD for a couple of Diablo 630 ECS daisy wheel printers we had connectedE to serial ports.  Since we used carbon film ribbons, they stopped andnE paused for the ribbon to be changed.  Before 4.2 the flow control was E able to stop and restart without "splitting" the escape sequences foreD the extended characters.  After, once the printer buffer filled, theC sequences were messed up and we could get garbage printed out.  We eB ended up using a workaround of dropping the data rate from 9600 toD 1200 bps.  That gave us a short period of time before the buffer was: full.  Got pretty good at swapping a ribbon in 15 seconds.  E > The goal of the VAX-to-Alpha port was bug-for-bug compatibility; ityI > is likely this will be the goal of the Alpha-to-Itanium port.  In otheriJ > words, while VMS Engineering agrees that the command-line editing scheme? > should be re-worked, it is unlikely to get done, except as a M6 > midnight (unfunded) project before the Itanium port.   Joe Heimannq   heimann@ecs.umass.edut   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 14:50:47 -0600n0 From: Patrick Spinler <spinler.patrick@mayo.edu> Subject: Re: Emacs-2[01] on VMSe( Message-ID: <3BEC41A7.626F3B2E@mayo.edu>   Roar Thron=E6s wrote:d > =   B > I have compiled it (eventually), but got problems with the dump.J > (Borrowing makefiles and other stuff from the most recent 19.28 on VMS.=  " > I think... it was some time ago) > =-   > -Roar Thron=E6s   F If you still have your work around - might you be willing to put it on) sourceforge (or some other public site ?)D  G I'd be willing to spend a few hours messing with your stuff to see if Iw can move it a bit futher along.    Thanks,k -- Pat   -- =  ?       This message does not represent the policies or positionsc1 	     of the Mayo Foundation or its subsidiaries.03   Patrick Spinler			email:	Spinler.Patrick@Mayo.EDU '   Mayo Foundation			phone:	507/284-9485    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 16:47:44 -0500o3 From: Charles Lane <lane@duphy4.physics.drexel.edu>d Subject: Re: Emacs-2[01] on VMSh9 Message-ID: <3BEC4F00.C43FDEED@duphy4.physics.drexel.edu>i   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  K > And this brings up another (likely hair-brained) idea I have been kicking,G > around lately.  Does anyone here remember "The Software Tools VirtualnK > Operating System"?  What is the likelyhood that something like this couldeL > be revived and expanded as a way (at least temporarily) to get some of the0 > needed user level applications to run on VMS?? > I > When you look at the overall picture, the idea never flew in it's firstoK > iteration for the same reason the P-machine concept withered on the vine.oH > The additional layer took too many resources and resulted in extremelyH > slow (in most cases) execution.  Today, we have people happily runningI > Virtual Machines (ala teh P-machine) and even entire hardware emulatorsa3 > that run at many times the speed of the original.  > E > Is there anyone interested in discussing this??  Does anyone have a H > copy of any of the original work?? (There was a VAX VMS port running.)  G I recall it somewhat, mostly from using the Software Tools Mail System. E It has the nice feature of running on both Unix and VMS systems, and  @ I still use it for mail.  Probably the only one left, in fact... -- r;  Drexel University       \V                    --Chuck Lanet; ======]---------->--------*------------<-------[===========C.      (215) 895-1545     _/ \  Particle PhysicsM FAX: (215) 895-5934     /\ /~~~~~~~~~~~        lane@duphy4.physics.drexel.edup   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:36:10 +0100# From: "H Behling" <hbehling@wxs.nl>  Subject: files with long lines* Message-ID: <9shb10$mi4$1@reader07.wxs.nl>  	 Hi there,    A programming problem,L How can I read in Pascal a very long line (without CR/LF) from an ascii file ? 3 A normal readln result in an error (line too long).r Any suggestions are welcomet     Herman Behling   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:50:57 -0600+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>U" Subject: RE: files with long linesL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF1170DE2C@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>  E It's been a while for me, but doesn't Pascal have a read for a singleyK character?  It may be possible/necessary to use that in an appropriate loopo
 construct.  H Depending on your application you may be able to substitute some library calls, too, I guess.  I If you're very lucky there may be a compiler option to extend the maximumaJ allowable line-length, or the like, but that will depend on your compiler.I I would assume you're using DEC Pascal and answer for that, but I have nos$ knowledge of that specific compiler.   Regards,   Chrisa  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developero Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");e 'o  i   > -----Original Message-----* > From: H Behling [mailto:hbehling@wxs.nl]) > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:36 PMr > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com   > Subject: files with long lines >  >  > Hi there,q >  > A programming problem,< > How can I read in Pascal a very long line (without CR/LF)  > from an ascii file > ? 5 > A normal readln result in an error (line too long).o > Any suggestions are welcomeh >  >  > Herman Behling >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:56:45 -0500 From: William_Bochnik@acml.com" Subject: RE: files with long lines> Message-ID: <OFC3C1A2A8.11D30572-ON85256AFF.006D777A@acml.com>  @ I agree - unless things have changed since I "did" Pascal (circa; 1988) Pascal does not use delimited strings, but stores thes> string size in the data structure, and has (or had) a 255 byte limit to strings.       `                                                                                                 `                     Christopher                                                                 `                     Smith                        To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                     `                     <csmith@amdoc                cc:                                            `                     s.com>               Subject:     RE: files with long lines                 `                                                                                                 `                     11/09/2001                                                                  `                     02:50 PM                                                                    `                     Please                                                                      `                     respond to                                                                  `                     Christopher                                                                 `                     Smith                                                                       `                     <csmith@amdoc                                                               `                     s.com>                                                                      `                                                                                                 `                                                                                                       > It's been a while for me, but doesn't Pascal have a read for a single: character?  It may be possible/necessary to use that in an appropriate loop
 construct.  @ Depending on your application you may be able to substitute some libraryv calls, too, I guess.  A If you're very lucky there may be a compiler option to extend the- maximum-@ allowable line-length, or the like, but that will depend on your	 compiler. A I would assume you're using DEC Pascal and answer for that, but Ik have nos$ knowledge of that specific compiler.   Regards,   Chriso  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developere Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");t 'w     > -----Original Message-----* > From: H Behling [mailto:hbehling@wxs.nl]) > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:36 PMs > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come  > Subject: files with long lines >. >1 > Hi there,> >v > A programming problem,; > How can I read in Pascal a very long line (without CR/LF)@ > from an ascii file > ? 5 > A normal readln result in an error (line too long).J > Any suggestions are welcomet >d >r > Herman Behling >e >           F ______________________________________________________________________;  The information contained in this transmission may containt@ privileged and confidential information and is intended only forA the use of the person(s) name above.  If you are not the intendedi= recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for deliveringn3 this message to the intended recipient, any review,y@ dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication? is strictly prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient, A please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy,# all copies of the original message.p   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:24:19 -0500- From: "Rebecca Snyder" <rsnyder@atlasdie.com>f" Subject: RE: files with long lines? Message-ID: <MPBBIEGNHCKJGNKPHFAPMEBHCNAA.rsnyder@atlasdie.com>    Herman,l  6 Just how long are you talking? I've used the following6 to open a file with a line 300 characters long and was6 able to read it using a packed array [1..300] of char:  *        open (  file_variable   := In_File,,                file_name       := '300.txt',&                record_length   := 300,&                history         := old,)                carriage_control:=list  );u  + I'm use DEC Pascal V5.5-54 for OpenVMS VAX.s   Rebecca Snyder   -----Original Message-----( From: H Behling [mailto:hbehling@wxs.nl]' Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:36 PMo To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comy Subject: files with long lines    	 Hi there,r   A programming problem,L How can I read in Pascal a very long line (without CR/LF) from an ascii file ?23 A normal readln result in an error (line too long).k Any suggestions are welcomei     Herman Behling   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 16:48:01 -0600B- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s8 Subject: Re: files with long lines (reading from Pascal)3 Message-ID: <9TL4lLuqwB+$@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  P In article <9shb10$mi4$1@reader07.wxs.nl>, "H Behling" <hbehling@wxs.nl> writes:  N > How can I read in Pascal a very long line (without CR/LF) from an ascii file > ?n5 > A normal readln result in an error (line too long).m > Any suggestions are welcome   E If you have used the specific open statements specified in a previous<F response and had a problem, you could try calling RMS directly or even resorting to SYS$QIO.:  F In general, when posting Pascal issues to comp.os.vms, it helps to put Pascal in the title.   ------------------------------   Date: 09 Nov 2001 20:28:33 GMT' From: "Jim Strehlow" <jims@data911.com>s$ Subject: Re: Filesystem (disk) size?0 Message-ID: <9she9h$nr9@dispatch.concentric.net>  : It depends upon what the users store on that virtual disk.0 Do students store a lot of 10K or smaller files?4 Do you have large database tablespaces on that disk?  = The initialization of the bitmap.sys and indexf.sys are fast.   : Backups/restores deal with directory (file header) entries. and used data (as opposed to allocated) sizes.= Cluster size should not affect the time to backup or restore. C Only one file or a portion of a file is in any one OpenVMS cluster.g  + Do files on the disk need to be contiguous? 2 Do you use or need a disk defragmentation product?   Hope that helps.  - Jim Strehlow, Data911 OpenVMS Systems ManagerF Alameda, CA   / "Let them do their worst. We will do our best."       6 "Patrick Young" <P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU> wrote in message7 news:55f85d77.0111090819.69a5a255@posting.google.com...a > Hi,  > A > This might have been covered, however with the increase in disk F > size almost monthly (180GB units now!) it is a topic that constantly > needs looked at. >oE > I'm playing with a HSZ22 (RA3000) config at work I want to put into- > production, ie:, >NG > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         FreeRG > $1$DKB1:       (TEACH)  Mounted              0    TEST      530707221  > J > How would you go (have gone) about the initialization, cluster size etc? > H > Just interested - this is probably an "experience" thing rather than aE > RTFM thing. I tend to favour a large "chunk" of storage rather thangK > smaller chunks (I know - longer to restore when totally cactus) - howeverh > this is RAID.d > D > I'm wanting to make my system (ODS-2) disk around 16Gb on the same > RA3000...  >rH > $1$DKB0:       (TEACH)  Mounted              0  TEST1         33553773 > K > More information? - average .EDU users creating what ever files .EDU type-D > "average users" create. ($1$DKB1) will also be ODS-5 with a lot of Advanced > Server access through PCs. >nI > Cluster considerations - three other nodes - would like to SCSI cluster K > one with disk intensive work, others ethernet with minimal disk intensive  > work (one my workstation). >M> > Backups (are/will be) done to a TL891 Library (Single TZ89). >v& > I am doing the right or wrong thing? >r > Many thanks.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 20:24:20 GMTI$ From: no_isildur_spam@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: filesystem traces. Message-ID: <9she1k$rt$1@nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu>  B does anybody know of any filesystem traces made on vax/vms systemsK at any point in history? Ive found references to Ramakrishnan, but i wonderh, if any traces done at dec might still exist?   isildur-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 14:57:31 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>R Subject: Re: filesystem traces( Message-ID: <3BEC514B.21829AFE@mmaz.com>  % no_isildur_spam@andrew.cmu.edu wrote:   D > does anybody know of any filesystem traces made on vax/vms systemsM > at any point in history? Ive found references to Ramakrishnan, but i wonderp. > if any traces done at dec might still exist?   Do you mean:        set wat file/class=alln  F which dumps the RMS information during all RMS activity for a process?   Barrym --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOm  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:37:36 -0500 (EST)+ From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu>u Subject: Re: filesystem tracesP Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33L-022.0111091733330.21278-100000@unix4.andrew.cmu.edu>   hello,  I no, i meant that i am looking for actual trace data. gathering a trace iscK no problem, its that i dont have a vms system thats busy with lotsofusers..eP it's for filesystem research. All of our trace data so far is from unix systems,L but aside from VMS there is no real versioning filesystem that has seen longK term, wide speread, large scale use. Versioning is one of those things thattL nobody but vms has really done right yet, and im looking for some trace dataJ from a system that does versioning... i found some references to some workO done in 1992, but thats tantamount to finding something written on clay tablets M :) so i was hoping maybe somebody from inside dec, or some other lucky place,a% might have access to some old traces. K thanks for the tip though! ill have to try that out. i only know the basicssH of vms and havent used it much since my first year of undergrad study :)   happy hacking, isildur     , On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:  ' > no_isildur_spam@andrew.cmu.edu wrote:t >eF > > does anybody know of any filesystem traces made on vax/vms systemsO > > at any point in history? Ive found references to Ramakrishnan, but i wonderI0 > > if any traces done at dec might still exist? >t > Do you mean: >d >      set wat file/class=alle >fH > which dumps the RMS information during all RMS activity for a process? >V > Barry4 > -- > A > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOo > C > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028a >o >  >p   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 17:21:58 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: filesystem traces3 Message-ID: <2PGweqL2z2PI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ~ In article <Pine.GSO.4.33L-022.0111091733330.21278-100000@unix4.andrew.cmu.edu>, Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:  K > no, i meant that i am looking for actual trace data. gathering a trace iseM > no problem, its that i dont have a vms system thats busy with lotsofusers.. R > it's for filesystem research. All of our trace data so far is from unix systems,N > but aside from VMS there is no real versioning filesystem that has seen longM > term, wide speread, large scale use. Versioning is one of those things that-N > nobody but vms has really done right yet, and im looking for some trace dataL > from a system that does versioning... i found some references to some workQ > done in 1992, but thats tantamount to finding something written on clay tablets O > :) so i was hoping maybe somebody from inside dec, or some other lucky place,1' > might have access to some old traces.s  > You really will have to explain what you mean by "trace data".  ? It used to be the case that you could intercept QIOs and record I statistics (I don't remember if that was Physical, Logical or Virtual IO)rC by interfacing in an undocumented fashion to module [SYS]IOPERFORM, B but looking at that module for V7.2-2 there seem to have been someA changes.  Or perhaps it has just been a long time since I did any A of this.  It was on V3.x that I last did anything in this area as 	 I recall.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:17:40 GMTg1 From: Ed Wensell III <ewensell3@yahoo.commercial>e Subject: Re: filesystem traces0 Message-ID: <3BEC721D.7F5C7ECA@yahoo.commercial>   Lord Isildur wrote:r >  > hello, > K > no, i meant that i am looking for actual trace data. gathering a trace is-M > no problem, its that i dont have a vms system thats busy with lotsofusers..rR > it's for filesystem research. All of our trace data so far is from unix systems,N > but aside from VMS there is no real versioning filesystem that has seen longM > term, wide speread, large scale use. Versioning is one of those things that N > nobody but vms has really done right yet, and im looking for some trace dataL > from a system that does versioning... i found some references to some workQ > done in 1992, but thats tantamount to finding something written on clay tabletseO > :) so i was hoping maybe somebody from inside dec, or some other lucky place, ' > might have access to some old traces.rM > thanks for the tip though! ill have to try that out. i only know the basicsdJ > of vms and havent used it much since my first year of undergrad study :) >     Uhm... Do you mean source code??   -- h   Ed Wensell III* E-mail address bunged. You've been warned.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 12:57:47 +0010g' From: <paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au>i Subject: Re: filesystem traces5 Message-ID: <01KAJFWW03W20008YE@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>a   >hello,  >tJ >no, i meant that i am looking for actual trace data. gathering a trace isL >no problem, its that i dont have a vms system thats busy with lotsofusers..I >it's for filesystem research. All of our trace data so far is from unix r	 >systems,nM >but aside from VMS there is no real versioning filesystem that has seen long-L >term, wide speread, large scale use. Versioning is one of those things thatM >nobody but vms has really done right yet, and im looking for some trace datadK >from a system that does versioning... i found some references to some work I >done in 1992, but thats tantamount to finding something written on clay g >tabletsN >:) so i was hoping maybe somebody from inside dec, or some other lucky place,& >might have access to some old traces.L >thanks for the tip though! ill have to try that out. i only know the basicsI >of vms and havent used it much since my first year of undergrad study :)- >- >happy hacking,  >isildur  M Not quite down to Bob's standards, but I trust this fad will die out and not f; gain popularity.  At least, IIRC, Bob does use apostrophes.5   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 17:10:46 -0600v- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)o4 Subject: Re: filesystem traces (whatever that means)3 Message-ID: <RnKvMhsecuEP@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  V In article <3BEC514B.21829AFE@mmaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> writes:' > no_isildur_spam@andrew.cmu.edu wrote:a > E >> does anybody know of any filesystem traces made on vax/vms systems.N >> at any point in history? Ive found references to Ramakrishnan, but i wonder/ >> if any traces done at dec might still exist?  >  > Do you mean: >  >      set wat file/class=allC > H > which dumps the RMS information during all RMS activity for a process?  C I believe technically SET WATCH FILE produces XQP statistics rather  than RMS statistics.  G But like you, I don't know what the original request meant by "traces".bE The use of the term "filesystem" rather than "file system" does sound = rather Unixy.  Perhaps Bill Gunshannon will translate for us.g  E Of coursee if the request was actually for RMS statistics, that wouldu@ be done with SET FILE/STATISTICS followed by use of MONITOR RMS.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:07:51 -0500* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: filk humour- Message-ID: <0033000041135786000002L062*@MHS>C  2 =0AI must have missed the Lydick signature parody.  1 I trust that it was properly Lydickian in nature?    WWWebb     > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETt* > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 12:51 PMD > To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET > Subject: filk humour >  > D > After taking a look at http://www.poppyfields.net/filks/ somethingE > overcame me and I produced the verses below.  (Since I got a lot of F > positive feedback from parodying Carl Lydick's signature a few years8 > ago, maybe I should have become a comedian after all.) > @ > ------------------------8<------------------------------------
 > -----------t >  > Carly went down to Compaq  > & > Tune: The Devil Went Down to Georgia > (Charlie Daniels Band) >  >  >  > Carly went down to Compaq $ > She was looking for an OS to steal, > She was in a behind because she was behind$ > And she was willing to make a deal >  > She came up on this guy Curly % > Writing some memos to the employees  > "Price, performance, quality:  > How can I get rid of these?" >  > "I bet you didn't know it  > But I'm a CEO toon  > I'll bet my profits from Linux' > That I'm better at business than you"  >  > Mike said "My name's Curly > And it might be a sin   > But why should you be my enemy > When you can be my friend?"  >  >  > Middle eight:  >  > Curly boot up your PC  > And write those memos fine > 180 days of bullshit > Lay it all on the line >  > If you win you get zero  > To the power of ten  > But if you lose  > Then Carly takes you in  >  > 	 > Chorus:  > ! > First we sold off what we could  > No matter if it was good" > Then we killed off what was left$ > Who gives a damn if customers wept >=   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 19:54:47 -0000 = From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>r; Subject: Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger!p5 Message-ID: <20011109195447.4802.qmail@gacracker.org>   8 On 9 Nov 2001, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote:I >Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message-  ? >>   - Use mixed case.  UPPER CASE LOOKS AS IF YOU'RE SHOUTING.d  N >this board is for vms users ... i am one ... and i have been very vocal aboutJ >the superioirity of vms both here and in trades like information week ... > 6 >http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20010701S0001 > O >and the boston globe ... sounds like you want to silence the pro vms crowd ...n >who do you work for, ibm!  H FYI I am independent, and would hope to see VMS flourish. I am in no wayI interested in seeing the VMS crowd silenced. However, I do wish you wouldwG join the rest of us in showing unix users and the likes how the english  language is properly utilised.     Doc. -- C6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 20:38:30 GMT_1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)i; Subject: Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger!d+ Message-ID: <9shes6$6gh$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>y  5 In article <20011109195447.4802.qmail@gacracker.org>,t@  Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes: |> vJ |>                                            However, I do wish you wouldJ |> join the rest of us in showing unix users and the likes how the english! |> language is properly utilised.e |>    J Why the slam at Unix users??  One of the first production uses of Unix was text processing, in English!!    bill   -- -J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 20:47:39 -0000t= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> ; Subject: Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger! 5 Message-ID: <20011109204739.7050.qmail@gacracker.org>r  A On 9 Nov 2001, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: 6 >In article <20011109195447.4802.qmail@gacracker.org>,A > Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:s >|> K >|>                                            However, I do wish you would K >|> join the rest of us in showing unix users and the likes how the englisht" >|> language is properly utilised. >|>  >eK >Why the slam at Unix users??  One of the first production uses of Unix wasl >text processing, in English!! t  J My apologies Bill, no slight or insult was intended. However, when I thinkE of UN*X I can't help wincing at the abbreviations and acronyms in thepF command line language. Hence my preference for VMS where the syntax isI closer to English. I am well aware that there are literate and articulateaI unix users. Unfortunately, they are not the most vocal of the unix crowd.: (Present company excepted).l     Doc. -- n6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it. ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:23:12 -0600+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>u; Subject: RE: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger!eL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF1170DE2D@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----F > From: Doc.Cypher [mailto:Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]]  @ > My apologies Bill, no slight or insult was intended. However,  > when I thinkG > of UN*X I can't help wincing at the abbreviations and acronyms in thepH > command line language. Hence my preference for VMS where the syntax is= > closer to English. I am well aware that there are literate p > and articulate@ > unix users. Unfortunately, they are not the most vocal of the 
 > unix crowd.t > (Present company excepted).h  J Doc, I think that the most vocal people are generally the most illiterate.G I believe that possibly the level of intelligence required for literacyiJ might be equivalent to that required to understand when it's better not to
 say anything.    Chrisu  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developerd Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");w 't  e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 16:57:12 -0500m- From: "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org>n; Subject: Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger! + Message-ID: <sbec0af2.090@AAASMTA.aaas.org>m   What's so unintuitive?   cd - change directoryo	 cp - copy 	 ln - linkd	 ls - list  man - manual ps - process list  rm - removek  E While the command names in VMS are pretty intuitive (except for SET =eI DEFAULT), the ones in Unix aren't that far off. There are also purposly =n# terse since they're so often typed.7  L But it's nice to know there are still open minded people who are accepting =
 of change.  J >>> "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> 11/09/2001 = 3:47:39 PM >>>A On 9 Nov 2001, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:(6 >In article <20011109195447.4802.qmail@gacracker.org>,A > Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:i >|>=20G >|>                                            However, I do wish you =  would E >|> join the rest of us in showing unix users and the likes how the =e englishn" >|> language is properly utilised. >|>=20 > I >Why the slam at Unix users??  One of the first production uses of Unix =s waso! >text processing, in English!!=20o  J My apologies Bill, no slight or insult was intended. However, when I thinkE of UN*X I can't help wincing at the abbreviations and acronyms in therF command line language. Hence my preference for VMS where the syntax isI closer to English. I am well aware that there are literate and articulate-I unix users. Unfortunately, they are not the most vocal of the unix crowd.i (Present company excepted).j     Doc. --=20r6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it. ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 23:00:54 GMTu* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>; Subject: Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger! A Message-ID: <GeZG7.74232$7x1.6518209@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>0  6 John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> wrote in message% news:sbec0af2.090@AAASMTA.aaas.org...3 What's so unintuitive?   cd - change directoryr	 cp - copyw	 ln - link 	 ls - listy man - manual ps - process listd rm - removes  C While the command names in VMS are pretty intuitive (except for SET,G DEFAULT), the ones in Unix aren't that far off. There are also purposlym# terse since they're so often typed.    ***   J Indeed - they remind me somewhat of MCR.  And by the late '70s DEC had hadF sufficient experience with how well people (and remember most of theseI people were professional computer users of some sort, rather than the hoi-J polloi) coped with MCR and similar command languages on other systems thatH DCL was created to use English for commands, even though they took a fewC more letters to type (though IIRC one can abbreviate as long as thee abbreviation is unique).  J MS-DOS picked up at least somewhat on this idea.  But Unix has steadfastlyJ remained true to its 1970 origins, which is why much of the world views it+ as - well, kind of ridiculous in this area.d   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 17:03:03 -0600g- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e; Subject: Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger! 3 Message-ID: <m6SQQUGZP4Nt@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  u In article <20011109195447.4802.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:t: > On 9 Nov 2001, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote:J >>Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message > @ >>>   - Use mixed case.  UPPER CASE LOOKS AS IF YOU'RE SHOUTING. > O >>this board is for vms users ... i am one ... and i have been very vocal aboutnK >>the superioirity of vms both here and in trades like information week ...i >>7 >>http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20010701S0001n >>P >>and the boston globe ... sounds like you want to silence the pro vms crowd ... >>who do you work for, ibm!i > J > FYI I am independent, and would hope to see VMS flourish. I am in no wayK > interested in seeing the VMS crowd silenced. However, I do wish you would/I > join the rest of us in showing unix users and the likes how the englisho  > language is properly utilised.  A I also want to see capitalization rules followed, and most peopleoA think of me as being pro-VMS.  English is case-sensitive, even if1 DCL is not.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 16:25:47 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>a; Subject: Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger!zB Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011109162249.03843b60@raptor.psccos.com>  ' At 04:00 PM 11/9/2001, Bill Todd wrote:u  7 >John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> wrote in message & >news:sbec0af2.090@AAASMTA.aaas.org... >What's so unintuitive?i >  >cd - change directory
 >cp - copy
 >ln - link
 >ls - list
 >man - manual. >ps - process list >rm - remove >lD >While the command names in VMS are pretty intuitive (except for SETH >DEFAULT), the ones in Unix aren't that far off. There are also purposly$ >terse since they're so often typed.   ..sure.  And   cat - concatenate and type  I is *so* intuitive as opposed to "TYPE", or, for that matter "man" instead H of "HELP" or "find ./ -name "foo" -print" as opposed to "dir [...]foo*".  H Sorry, but I'll go back to what a college professor told use, many moons7 ago: "This is UNIX.  If you want friendly, buy a dog!".o   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+tI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       | I | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  |PI | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" | I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |mI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:04:57 -0500  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>; Subject: Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger!m4 Message-ID: <1011109185319.354A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  , On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, John Eisenschmidt wrote:   > What's so unintuitive? >  > cd - change directory  > cp - copy  > ln - linkh > ls - listn > man - manual > ps - process listt
 > rm - removep   grep - global replacea awk - aho, w??? and kernighan  cat - concatenatet? (particularly confusing to someone with ancient Dartmouth BASICu finger memories)B type - type (but it means "category", not "print on the terminal")  > I have always taken the words "type" and "print" in a computerA context to mean, respectively, the action of a user pressing keysnE ("typing") and the action of a computer displaying text (or graphics).C on a screen or hardcopy output device.  This usage makes describingtF situations where a user does something and the computer does somethingE unexpected much less ambigous, and seems to be fairly natural to most H people, once they grasp the distinction.  (I do quite a bit of telephone	 support.)u  / Of course, this is at odds with VMS usage.  :-)d  F > While the command names in VMS are pretty intuitive (except for SET G DEFAULT), the ones in Unix aren't that far off. There are also purposly # terse since they're so often typed.- > B > But it's nice to know there are still open minded people who are accepting of change. > Y > >>> "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> 11/09/2001 3:47:39 PM >>>oC > On 9 Nov 2001, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:n8 > >In article <20011109195447.4802.qmail@gacracker.org>,C > > Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:o > >|> M > >|>                                            However, I do wish you wouldlM > >|> join the rest of us in showing unix users and the likes how the englishe$ > >|> language is properly utilised. > >|>  > >uM > >Why the slam at Unix users??  One of the first production uses of Unix wasy! > >text processing, in English!! d > L > My apologies Bill, no slight or insult was intended. However, when I thinkG > of UN*X I can't help wincing at the abbreviations and acronyms in theoH > command line language. Hence my preference for VMS where the syntax isK > closer to English. I am well aware that there are literate and articulate K > unix users. Unfortunately, they are not the most vocal of the unix crowd.y > (Present company excepted).i >  >  > Doc. > -- t8 > The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it. > ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.   -- I John Santosu Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 21:35:46 -0800@( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski); Subject: Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger!M= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0111092135.7e7f89c5@posting.google.com>9  ] Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> wrote in message news:<VA.000004b2.44b8ba60@bluewin.ch>...oS > In article <d7791aa1.0111090837.4c25c47e@posting.google.com>, Bob Ceculski wrote:al > > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<JdV9cfefXbPo@eisner.encompasserve.org>...R > > > In article <9se5ld$2fr$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk writes:p > > > > In article <d7791aa1.0111080609.2e4eeaec@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: >  t> > We are simply asking you use capitals in their proper place. > Just like this.n > I > In the same fashion as the OpenVMS manuals and online HELP are written.i > 8 > Learn to use the shift key as it was intended. Please. > 0 > And while I'm on the subject of your postings: > D > a) Please don't quote entire articles from online magazines at us.B > The URL and subject are normally sufficient. The Google time lagA > Doc mentioned means those of us interested have likely read theB > articles already.u > E > b) If you find a product you feel we would appreciate you only need0G > to mention it once; not repeatedly. We also need hard facts, not justr# > a "Bob says it's great" to go on.b >  > ___- > Paul Sture
 > Switzerlandm  E with 39 alpha servers and stations to support, i rarely have time to ,D make things nice and pretty, but i seriously am wondering if you canE read and comprehend after stating i shove a reco down your throat ...tD i always give a url for you to research the product and make up your? own mind ... you must not be reading my posts, that's for sure!cD and as far as posting articles, do you see a url link to informationC week on the post above?  a few times i have pasted a short article,-E but many others do the same on this board ... what's with everyone oneE this board?  must be some on this board are going thru change of lifel
 or something!)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 06:46:18 GMTo* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>; Subject: Re: Hewlett family votes "NO" on HP-Compaq merger!eA Message-ID: <_24H7.79710$7x1.6919025@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>P  3 Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagee7 news:d7791aa1.0111092135.7e7f89c5@posting.google.com...o   ...'   > what's with everyone on G > this board?  must be some on this board are going thru change of lifey > or something!b  H When everyone seems to be finding problems with you, you should at least@ consider the possibility that the fault is not theirs but yours.   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 22:23:21 -0800y( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)1 Subject: Re: Ionas Orbix and BEAs Weblogic on VMS = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0111092223.56458e94@posting.google.com>o  K "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch> wrote in message news:<3beaa314$1@hcwe67>...i > Hello, > M > due to the fact, that new Java Versions are available on VMS, this productsrG > should run on VMS partly or complety. Does anybody actually use them?: > 	 > regards  >  > Jakob   B we tried a short test with bea weblogic but liked the way purveyorB processed based web server ran on tcpware ... didn't spend alot ofB time with it but it seemed to run ok, although others on this siteC have suggested buying alot of memory for java to run well on alpha,GB and compaq states that the vms java virtual machine is the fastest on the market ...t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 21:37:49 GMT , From: "Paul Dennis" <comedyox@earthlink.not> Subject: Re: LIB$xxxE Message-ID: <N0YG7.27906$S4.2516300@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>    >  > DEQ   K I may be a little slow or out of touch but this is the first time I've seen 1 anyone do this and I think it's enormously funny.s   Big Fat LOL Larry!   .pd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 05:05:54 +0100n2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)3 Subject: Re: Name Change of Alpha Server 4000 5/300e; Message-ID: <3beca7a2.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>t   JH (jhaine@hotmail.com) wrote:B > I temporarily wan to change my servers name from i.e. "ALPHA" toF > "BETA"; reason is to afterwards restore a complete image backup of aD > system disk from another server with all it's licenses etc. and we1 > don't want to relicense everything from scratchc> > Does anybody know, which steps to take in order to do this ?   Yes, the FAQ does:; MGMT9.  How do I change the node name of an OpenVMS System?h  9   The OpenVMS FAQ is archived in the following locations:t  "     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/.     ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/comp.os.vms/,     comp.answers and news.answers newsgroups  ?   User-created HTML versions of the OpenVMS FAQ are located at:G       http://www.kjsl.com/vmsfaq'     http://eisner.decus.org/vms/faq.htmc   cu,t   Martin -- nF   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deeF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 20:05:29 +0100e( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>3 Subject: Re: Need help, was: Rob's British Championu- Message-ID: <VA.000004b4.44d06079@bluewin.ch>0  A In article <9sh2v0$sb$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>, Bill Gunshannon wrote:-8 > In article <tEBG7.17968$xS6.28911@www.newsranger.com>,L >  Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP> writes: > |> nL > |> Rob, I would like to point out that at the last count, there were aboutI > |> 60 million of us, and that we are not all clones of Andrew Harrison.i > L > I'll assume you mean total Brits here and not British members of c.o.v :-) > but anyway.... > D > Are any of our British members familiar with "Telecom Gold Mail"??F > Is it still an existing service and if so, is there any interconnectF > with INTERNET Email??  I am trying to locate an old friend I haven'tF > seen in more than a decade and that is the email address on his last > business card. > 7 > I know chances are slim, but it's worth a try anyway.  > @ If you have his location, try Directory Enquiries at www.bt.com.   ___r
 Paul Sture Switzerland-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:03:17 -0500  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com3 Subject: O.T. (was Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble)r4 Message-ID: <C2256AFF.00735B77.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  $ >Yes, but their (sic) all engineers.  / Do they teach english grammar as U of Scranton?A  0 Yes, but _they're_ all engineers, so they do not need to learn it.t          3 bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu on 11/09/2001 11:46:48 AM   + Please respond to bill@triangle.cs.uofs.eduo       To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comg cc:n) Subject:  Re: Compaq/HP merger in troubles        8 In article <21bnutsrgj66vae78vie7t88p9ndsui3je@4ax.com>,(  Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: |>G |> If Compaq were to truly re-focus on the Enterprise I can think of noe= |> better initial choice. Have Ken Olsen on the podium at theaC |> announcement along with Bell and Supnick etc. Guaranteed to grabi2 |> attention and really flag a change in strategy. |>  ? Yes, but their all engineers.  How long would it be before they @ were pushed aside by the next wave of marketeers??  I do have toB admit the presentation given by the three of them would be a sight to see..   billD (Hmmmm....  could you envision the announcement of the 128-processor 2.4Ghz PDP-11.  :-)r   --J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 16:14:16 -0500V- From: "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org>A3 Subject: O.T. (was Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble) + Message-ID: <sbec00e9.054@AAASMTA.aaas.org>n  K Perhaps, but apparently they don't abide by the rules of English spelling =c* and capitalization at jamesbury.com . =3D)  - Hello pot, this is the kettle - you're black.0  : >>> <norm.raphael@jamesbury.com> 11/09/2001 4:03:17 PM >>>  $ >Yes, but their (sic) all engineers.  / Do they teach english grammar as U of Scranton?y3                        ^                         ^^t  0 Yes, but _they're_ all engineers, so they do not need to learn it.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 16:52:48 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e7 Subject: Re: O.T. (was Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble) 3 Message-ID: <fzgf5htsDff8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <sbec00e9.054@AAASMTA.aaas.org>, "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org> writes:.M > Perhaps, but apparently they don't abide by the rules of English spelling =c, > and capitalization at jamesbury.com . =3D) > / > Hello pot, this is the kettle - you're black.n > ; >>>> <norm.raphael@jamesbury.com> 11/09/2001 4:03:17 PM >>>n > % >>Yes, but their (sic) all engineers.o > 1 > Do they teach english grammar as U of Scranton?)5 >                        ^                         ^^   / And why would the R in grammar be capitalized ?-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:38:34 -0500( From: Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu>7 Subject: Re: O.T. (was Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble) B Message-ID: <20011109213431.J75309-100000@server2.cs.scranton.edu>  4 On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:   >e >s >0& > >Yes, but their (sic) all engineers.  I So, what, you never made a tyoing error replying to a news article on thea fly??u   >s1 > Do they teach english grammar as U of Scranton? #                                ^^^^c  C I guess that answers that question.  Kettle calling the pot black??   - > Please respond to bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edud  F I don't know who stuck this in as it sure wasn't a part of my message.D And it will definitely never get delivered as that is a non-existent address.   bill   -- wJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 20:05:29 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>J Subject: Re: Rob's British Champion, was: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking- Message-ID: <VA.000004b3.44d0606f@bluewin.ch>k  E In article <tEBG7.17968$xS6.28911@www.newsranger.com>, Simon Clubley - wrote:   [snip] > 9 > PS: Andrew seems to have been silent for a long time...l >e+ Not seen since the beginning of October :-)P ___a
 Paul Sture Switzerlandm   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 12:49:37 -08004 From: jck_strw@yahoo.com (Jim) Subject: TCIP Service UDP/TCPs= Message-ID: <28134106.0111091249.7a47e5a6@posting.google.com>m   Hi   I'm running:   TCPIP> show versionh  9   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A ?   on a COMPAQ AlphaServer DS10 466 MHz running OpenVMS V7.2       L How can you set both the TCP and UDP protocol flags for a service?  I first  issued the command:o  P $ TCPIP set service kopd /port=8680 /protocol=tcp /process_name=kopd /user_name=+ system /file=sys$common:[kinet.bin]kopd.exe   L I tried running a similar command, just changing the protocol flag, but I'm  getting an error:i  P $ TCPIP set service kopd /port=8680 /protocol=udp /process_name=kopd /user_name=+ system /file=sys$common:[kinet.bin]kopd.exee' %TCPIP-E-INVRECORD, invalid informationt0 -RMS-F-DUP, duplicate key detected (DUP not set)  / Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 11:43:53 -0800 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>e$ Subject: TCPIP 5.1 POP Server glitch) Message-ID: <3BEC31F9.3B47CB3F@rdrop.com>,  F Anyone using POP services on TCPIP 5.1 and notice it mungs the headersC up?  Specifically, it inserts an extra blank line where one doesn't E belong, which confuses mail agentsinto believing that the rest of the1G headers are message text.  Not fatal, but makes the messages downloadede pretty ugly.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 21:43:02 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>k( Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.1 POP Server glitch* Message-ID: <3BEC4DE5.B4453C34@virgin.net>   Dean Woodward wrote:  H > Anyone using POP services on TCPIP 5.1 and notice it mungs the headersE > up?  Specifically, it inserts an extra blank line where one doesn'teG > belong, which confuses mail agentsinto believing that the rest of theTI > headers are message text.  Not fatal, but makes the messages downloaded  > pretty ugly.  F It's some time since I tried the UCX supplied POP server but I believeF there's a logical controlling this behaviour. A quick search finds the
 following:  ) SOURCE:     Digital Equipment Corporation-  K TITLE:            [DEC TCP/IP] POP Server Setup For MIME Binary Attachments       	 OVERVIEW:   G This article explains how to setup the POP server for use with the SMTPuE server that is provided with UCX 4.1. This setup should allow the POPe= server to make MIME attachments "detachable" by a POP client.    A sumary is:  B   $ UCX Set Config SMTP /Option=(Top_headers, Relay)   ! mandatoryB   $ Define /System UCX$POP_IGNORE_MAIL11_HEADERS 1     ! mandatoryB   $ Define /System UCX$SMTP_JACKET_LOCAL         1     ! mandatoryA   $ Define /System UCX$SMTP_LOG_LEVEL            3     ! optionalDA   $ Define /System UCX$POP_LOG_LEVEL             debug ! optionalo       PREPARATION:  0 Use the following steps as guidelines for setup:    8  1) SMTP Service Setup: (Mandatory for MIME attachments)  8          $ UCX SET CONFIGURATION SMTP/OPTION=TOP_HEADERS  C   The first lines of mail text after the four mail header lines anda?   the initial separating line must be the RFC 822/MIME headers.m      2) SMTP Logical Names:e  0          $ DEFINE/SYSTEM UCX$SMTP_JACKET_LOCAL 1  I    This effects the OpenVMS mail From: line of mail delivered by the SMTPrG    symbiont. It contains logic to detect when SMTP mail that originatedoI    on the local host is also being delivered to OpenVMS mail on the localpF    host. In this case, the From: line text that the symbiont passes to7    OpenVMS mail contains only the user name rather than  SMTP%"username@host",sH    making it impossible to know that the mail message went through SMTP.H    The option instructs the symbiont to put the SMTP jacket on local-to-B    local mail to provide sufficient information to the POP server.      3) POP Server Logical Names:)  8          $ DEFINE/SYSTEM UCX$POP_IGNORE_MAIL11_HEADERS 1  G     This causes the POP server to ignore OpenVMS mail headers when mailrJ     is sent from SMTP, which contains an SMTP address in the "From:" line.         --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 20:46:47 -00002= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>  Subject: Re: Test -- Ignoreq5 Message-ID: <20011109204647.6978.qmail@gacracker.org>e  ? On Fri, 09 Nov 2001, Paul T. Karch <pkarch@stargate.net> wrote:  >This is a test , >There are two kinds of people in the world.0 >Those who believe there are two kinds of people >and those who don't.   H There are many fine newsgroups in place for the purpose of testing . . .   alt.test	 misc.test  alt.just.testing  G Before Hoff gives you a telling off, I'd like to suggest you use one of  them.o     Doc. -- t6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it. ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2001 17:49:02 -0800r+ From: chris_doran@my-deja.com (Chris Doran). Subject: Re: Test -- Ignorer< Message-ID: <b5f3f0d8.0111091749.f7ab1a6@posting.google.com>  i Paul T. Karch <pkarch@stargate.net> wrote in message news:<qn8outokmqevodk3m62bni2a7niao3j494@4ax.com>...g > This is a test  D %TEST-F-WRONGNG, Posted to wrong newsgroup, please use alt.test etc.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:09:58 -0500* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>/ Subject: RE: Verify contents of the floppy diskk- Message-ID: <0033000041136030000002L002*@MHS>P  4 =0AFor crying out loud you're doing it the hard way.  . Use MGPCX.  It's free. (thanks again, Hunter!)   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETa* > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 12:36 PMD > To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET1 > Subject: RE: Verify contents of the floppy diske >g >.& > On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, David Lee wrote: >.> > >+I was able to mount the DOS floppy disk on an Apha machine > running VMS 7.2e= > >+using the /foreign option.  The I was able to copy a filew > from an Alpha to > >+this floppy. >u0 >  As Jerry said - /FOREIGN doesn't mean "FAT" !3 >  It means: "treat whole drive as one flat file" !s< >  Then regardless what was before on the floppy - after the* > copy you have file saved block-by-block.1 >  Regardless the mentioned in Jerrys post point:PB > - yes, you *can* copy it under DOS/Windows using some "diskcopy"> > utilities (b.ex. DISKEDIT from NortonUtility) (of course one- >  problem is with unknow size of the file !)v >i, > >+But I can't verify what's on the floppy. > ( > $ DUMP DVA0: ! and read the contens ;) >t >  Regards - Gotfryd >n > --H > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=I =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= B =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DH > $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") = -m# >           THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=3DMEd0 > $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plH > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=I =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=eB =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 15:29:18 -0500t- From: "Brian Walton" <bkwalton@bellsouth.net> H Subject: VMS 7.1 Alpha installation on PWS 433a (with correct SCSI card)> Message-ID: <20011109.152918.1597322404.957@alpha2.brimus.org>   Hi -  J Does anyone know why on a Personal WorkStation 433a when trying to installF VMS 7.1 (DQA0) I boot the CD and it loads the bootstrap but then failsI and states can't find "SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_1E05.EXE" and has a Halt Code 5. dG The system is running Linux right now on one disk and I want to have antF install of OpenVMS 7.1 or 7.2 on another but can't get VMS to boot forH the install. I have installed on a MicroVAX 3100 and other 433au's (cameH with the SCSI card). The only thing I can tell that is different is thatH I do not have any cache on this system, is that a requirement for VMS? IH have looked through the docs on the web but can't find any references to my problem.R  . Thanks in advance for any help in this matter.   Brian Walton   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:22:25 GMT' From: Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU>>' Subject: Re: VMS721_CLIUTL-0200 Status?a) Message-ID: <3BEC2CF1.30FC1B9F@UIowa.EDU>h   john nixon wrote:d > K > Does anyone have a response to Rick's question.   This is very important.   : 	I have not heard anything and held off installing it yet.  B 	I have re-contacted someone from Compaq who had pointed me to theB released version of CLIUTL and inquired from him if he knew of any confirmations.   Rick  6 > "Rick Dyson" <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU> wrote in message% > news:3BE70577.9F4CA7B6@UIowa.EDU...jS > > Does anyone know what the status of this ECO is?  I first had a problem finding-S > > it (it is listed as a recommend companion of an INSTALL 1 ECO, VMS721_MOUNT96),o) > > but it then made it onto the servers.7 > >6R > > However, there was a early report of it corrupting the QueManager (QUEMAN.EXE)  > > displays (i.e., Show Queue). > >tT > > Can anyone else confirm this?  I just had a maintanence cycle early this morningO > > and skipped it for now, but would like to go back to it if it is OK or they 0 > > fix any problems and release a v3.0 copy. :) > >e > > Regards, > > Rick Dyson   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 15:52:41 -0500a> From: Charlie McCutcheon <charlie.mccutcheon@NOSPAMcompaq.com> Subject: Re: where is 7.3?0 Message-ID: <3BEC4219.2DE394A4@NOSPAMcompaq.com>   Beyonder wrote:o  F > I haven't seen any word of it, montagar certainly isn't dealing with	 > it yet.c >n > B. >oB > -----=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =-----C > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!TB >  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits!B > -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers!  ==-----  H OpenVMS V7.3 has been released, if that's what you mean.  Its documented0 on the web page, http://www.openvms.compaq.com/.   Charlie    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:35:07 -0500  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com6 Subject: [2]O.T. (was Re: Compaq/HP merger in trouble)4 Message-ID: <C2256AFF.00764550.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  $ >Yes, but their (sic) all engineers.  / Do they teach English grammar at U of Scranton?w  0 Yes, but _they're_ all engineers, so they do not need to learn it.t          3 bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu on 11/09/2001 11:46:48 AM   + Please respond to bill@triangle.cs.uofs.eduu       To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com: cc:N) Subject:  Re: Compaq/HP merger in troubles        8 In article <21bnutsrgj66vae78vie7t88p9ndsui3je@4ax.com>,(  Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: |>G |> If Compaq were to truly re-focus on the Enterprise I can think of nol= |> better initial choice. Have Ken Olsen on the podium at the C |> announcement along with Bell and Supnick etc. Guaranteed to grabh2 |> attention and really flag a change in strategy. |>  ? Yes, but their all engineers.  How long would it be before theyl@ were pushed aside by the next wave of marketeers??  I do have toB admit the presentation given by the three of them would be a sight to see.    billD (Hmmmm....  could you envision the announcement of the 128-processor 2.4Ghz PDP-11.  :-)    --J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.625 ************************  