1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 22 Nov 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 649       Contents:P &#25805;&#20316;&#31995;&#32479;&#19979;&#26159;&#19981;&#26159;&#26377;&#20160; Re: ACL: Oops, how to undo?  Re: CI limit Re: CI limit Re: CI limit DCL minute of the day  Re: DEC Supplied user account? Re: DEC Supplied user account? Re: DEC Supplied user account? Re: F$GETQUI wildcard bug?? - Re: Intel Itanium versus AMD Hammer (& Alpha) - Re: Intel Itanium versus AMD Hammer (& Alpha) - Re: Intel Itanium versus AMD Hammer (& Alpha) - Re: Intel Itanium versus AMD Hammer (& Alpha) ' Re: Is it a DEC C problem, or is it me?  Re: IT Jobs (Australia)  Re: IT Jobs (Australia)  LIB$SPAWN Command length limit" Re: LIB$SPAWN Command length limit" Re: LIB$SPAWN Command length limit Re: Life After Alpha Re: Life After Alpha Re: Mail redistribution  Re: Mail redistribution  Re: Mail redistribution  memo+ Re: Mounting bound volume sets after reboot  Re: Non virtual QIO  Re: Non virtual QIO  Re: Non virtual QIO @ Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)@ Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)@ Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)@ Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)@ Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)@ Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha) Re: Oops, how to undo?9 Re: Open VMS Alpha-to-Itanium: Development update webcast 9 Re: Open VMS Alpha-to-Itanium: Development update webcast  Re: OT:  IT Jobs (Australia) Re: OT:  IT Jobs (Australia)A Re: RMS file structure internals documentation freely available ? A Re: RMS file structure internals documentation freely available ? A Re: RMS file structure internals documentation freely available ? A Re: RMS file structure internals documentation freely available ? A Re: RMS file structure internals documentation freely available ?  RMS multi-RAB access Re: RMS multi-RAB access5 Re: Software to emulate someone sitting at a terminal 9 Re: Solaris: ready for prime time?  Keep your VMS system. E Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org E Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org E Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org  system performance question  Re: system performance question  Re: system performance question  Re: system performance question  SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS Re: SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS Re: SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS) Re: telnet very slow from pc/linux to vms ) RE: telnet very slow from pc/linux to vms ) Re: telnet very slow from pc/linux to vms ) Re: telnet very slow from pc/linux to vms / Re: The DCL minute of the day: show known links % Re: Welcome To Microsoft's IT Academy  Re: Xetra, on which OS?  Re: You are invited to this  Re: You are invited to this   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2001 16:51:42 -0800 From: yjm21cn@21cn.com (yang) Y Subject: &#25805;&#20316;&#31995;&#32479;&#19979;&#26159;&#19981;&#26159;&#26377;&#20160; = Message-ID: <c30e8317.0111211651.63f5776c@posting.google.com>    &#25805;&#20316;&#31995;&#32479;&#19979;&#26159;&#19981;&#26159;&#26377;&#20160;&#20040;&#21442;&#25968;&#25511;&#21046;&#19968;&#20010;&#25991;&#20214;&#30340;&#26368;&#23569;&#20351;&#29992;&#31354;&#38388;&#38382;&#39064;&#65311;&#25105;&#29992;&#30340;&#26159;OPENVMS6&#12290;2,&#22312;&#25105;&#32534;&#36753;&#19968;&#20010;&#26222;&#36890;&#25991;&#20214;&#26102;&#65292;&#22909;&#35937;&#31995;&#32479;&#26159;&#20197;18&#22359;&#20026;&#19968;&#20010;&#21333;&#20301;&#22312;&#20351;&#29992;&#31354;&#38388;&#65292;&#22240;&#20026;&#25105;&#26377;&#24456;&#22810;&#30340;&#23567;&#25991;&#20214;&#65292;&#36825;&#26679;&#23 01;&#28010;&#36153;&#20102;&#24456;&#22810;&#31354;&#38388;&#65292;&#35831;&#38382;&#25105;&#35813;&#24590;&#20040;&#21150;&#65311;&#20855;&#20307;&#28857;&#22909;&#21527;&#65311;    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:15:32 +0100 , From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>$ Subject: Re: ACL: Oops, how to undo?% Message-ID: <3BFC1975.502FFA3@gmx.ch>    Nazim MANSER wrote:  > # > Here is an example how to do this  > b > VAX7> set file *.* - /acl=(identifier=[produc,production],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE+DELETE) /log> > %SET-I-MODIFIED, DSA2:[MANSER.ARBEIT.AES]TEST.DAT;1 modified
 > VAX7> di > $ > Directory DSA2:[MANSER.ARBEIT.AES]  P Nazim, if you do not mind, I do not recommend using two characters for DCL verbsI abbreviation. For a long time, three was the "standard" until the REC/ALL N command was broken :-(, forcing everyone to add REC=="RECALL" in all LOGIN.COM procedures worldwide :-)   D. --  G   --------------------------------------------------------------------- E MORANDI Consulting.  WEB: http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr/index_us.html E Pflanzschulstrasse 53, 8004 Zurich, Switzerland. GSM: +41 79 705 4670 / 19, chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.   I Disaster Recovery Plans, Computer Security Audits, DEC OpenVMS Expertise H On parle franais, Man spricht Deutsch, Habla Castellano, English spoken   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:13:23 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> Subject: Re: CI limit < Message-ID: <n1TK7.12664$ym4.549838@iad-read.news.verio.net>  ( Kenneth <yeungkenneth@yahoo.com> writes:K > I have read the manual in the VMS clustering that the CI thruput limit is J > 140Mb ( apporx. 17MB), but when I capture the thruput (KB/sec) of the CI0 > from the DECPS, it always has reach 30MB, why? > 3 > I am using VMS7.2-1 and performance advisor 2.15.   F   I haven't used CI in years, but starting with the CI adapter for theF VAX 6000-500 (IIRC), both paths could be utilized at the same time, toF double the effective throughput. Before that time, one path was desig-F nated the standby path and wasn't used unless the primary path failed.  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com2         terry@tmk.com             New York, NY USA   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:16:00 -0000 ; From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@computershare.co.uk>  Subject: Re: CI limit B Message-ID: <1006370152.22037.0.nnrp-12.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>  + Because the CI has two paths, and uses both    -- David McKenzie Charon Consulting (Australia) ( david.mckenzie@mig.spitfire0.demon.co.uk   (But who wants a Mig?)   ! 3 "Kenneth" <yeungkenneth@yahoo.com> wrote in message & news:9tgb0h$3054$1@news.net-yan.com...K > I have read the manual in the VMS clustering that the CI thruput limit is J > 140Mb ( apporx. 17MB), but when I capture the thruput (KB/sec) of the CI0 > from the DECPS, it always has reach 30MB, why? > 3 > I am using VMS7.2-1 and performance advisor 2.15.  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2001 17:56:12 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)  Subject: Re: CI limit < Message-ID: <cf15391e.0111211756.4bc52bc@posting.google.com>  \ "Kenneth" <yeungkenneth@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<9tgb0h$3054$1@news.net-yan.com>...K > I have read the manual in the VMS clustering that the CI thruput limit is J > 140Mb ( apporx. 17MB), but when I capture the thruput (KB/sec) of the CI0 > from the DECPS, it always has reach 30MB, why?  = CI has two paths of 70 megabits (or about 8.75 MB theoretical  bandwidth) each.  D I've seen test data indicating that the CIPCA adapter could do aboutE 14 MB max. (using both paths) for very large I/O transfer sizes (with A 4K packets enabled).  For small packets (like lock requests), the B CIPCA maxed out at about 6,500 per second to a single remote node.  ! Do you have multiple CI adapters?   D Is it possible you're making an error translating from the KB/secondA that DECps reports to the MB/second values most folks talk about?   B Are you taking the KB Mapped and adding that to the KB TransferredC value? (That would about double the rate -- I use the higher of the + two values by itself to avoid duplication.)   C Are you adding in the effect of sequenced messages? (Rule of thumb: F add about 1/3 of the message/second rate to the KB/second value.)  And< keep in mind the per-second limit given above, since adapterC microprocessor performance is the bottleneck for small packets like  lock requests, not bandwidth. C ------------------------------------------------------------------- C Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | VMS consulting on: C Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Internals, Performance, Storage & I/O    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:01:08 +0100 , From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> Subject: DCL minute of the day& Message-ID: <3BFC1615.BF138C78@gmx.ch>  : Hmmm... looks like I'm making friends here, so I continue.   $!+  $! FORMATEUR.COMA $! A tool to autoformat DCL procedures for documentation purpose.  $!
 $! <input> $! DCL procedure $! $! <output> * $! Same DCL procedure with some relooking. $! $! <side effects> G $! none (but there is *no* warranty that the resulting file is DCLable)  $!< $! This tool is an eMailWare product from MORANDI & Friends. $! $! Revision history  $!( $! Version Date        Author     actionO $! ------- ----------- ---------- --------------------------------------------- A $! V1.0-0  11-feb-2001 D. Morandi (http://Didier.Morandi.Free.Fr) A $!                                with three external procedures: , $!				  		  CLEAN1.COM,CLEAN2.COM,CLEAN3.COM> $! V1.1-0  27-feb.2001 D. Morandi external procedures included3 $!				  		  added labels upcasing in GOSUB and GOTO  $!- 
 $ set noon $ set con=(t,y) # $ if p1 .eqs. "" then inq p1 "File"  $ if p1 .eqs. "" then exit $ say = "write sys$output"	 $ file=p1  $ fullfile == f$search(file) $ if fullfile .eqs. "" $ then" $    say "File ",file," not found"	 $    exit  $ endif  $ call clean1 'p1' 'p2' , $ temp1 = f$parse(file,,,"name") + ".CLEAN1" $ call clean2 'temp1' 'p2', $ temp2 = f$parse(file,,,"name") + ".CLEAN2" $ if if_cleaned .gt. 1 $ then, $    call clean2 'temp2' 'p2'				!in case...3 $    if if_cleaned .gt. 1					!mono-pass processing % $    then								!gives unpredictable / $       call clean2 'temp2' 'p2'			!results :-) 
 $    endif $ endif  $ call clean3 'temp2' 'p2'- $ result = f$parse(file,,,"name") + ".DCLDOC"  $ say """ $ say "Done. Result is in ",result $ delete = "delete"  $ delete 'temp1';*,'temp2';* $ exit $! $CLEAN1: SUBROUTINE  $ say = "write sys$output"	 $ file=p1  $ if f$search(file) .eqs. "" $ then" $    say "File ",file," not found"	 $    exit  $ endif  $ i = 0							!input line nr/ $ out_file = f$parse(file,,,"name") + ".CLEAN1"  $ say "" $ say "loading"  $ on warning then stop $ close/nolog in_ch  $ open/read  in_ch  'file' $LOOP: $ i=i+1  $ read/end=LOOP2 in_ch line  $ L_'i' = line $ goto LOOP  $! $LOOP2: 
 $ set noon
 $ close in_ch  $ i=i-1  $ say "" $ say "Cleaning LABELS:" $ say i," lines read"  $ close/nolog out_ch $ open/write out_ch 'out_file' $ j = 0					!read index nr $ k = 0					!output line nr # $ l = 0					!nr of labels formatted  $ nbsp=0 $ spaces[30,1] :=  $ sp=""  $LOOP3:  $ j=j+1  $ if j .gt. i then goto EOF & $ line = f$edit(L_'j',"trim,compress")3 $ if f$len(line)         .eq.   0   then goto LOOP3 3 $ if line                .eqs. "$"  then goto LOOP3 3 $ if f$extract(0,1,line) .eqs. "!"  then goto LOOP3 $ $ if f$extract(0,2,line) .eqs. "$!"  $ then $    if "''p2'" .nes. ""	 $    then ( $       write out_ch line				!do nothing# $       k=k+1						!records written 
 $    endif $    goto LOOP3  $ endif  $ line = f$edit(line,"upcase")" $ if f$extract(1,1,line) .eqs. " " $ then  $    line1 = f$extract(0,1,line)" $    line2 = f$extract(2,132,line) $    line  = line1 + line2 $ endif  $!N $! process labels with continued code on same line. A label starts with a "$",H $! ends with a ":" and cannot contain spaces or "=" or gasteropodes (@). $!" $ poscolon  = 'f$locate(":",line)'" $ posegal   = 'f$locate("=",line)'" $ pos_at    = 'f$locate("@",line)': $ pospace   = 'f$locate(" ",f$extract(0,poscolon+1,line))'! $ firstchar = f$extract(0,1,line) 3 $ if 'poscolon'     .ne.  'f$len(line)'     .and. - 3      'f$len(line)'  .gt.  ('poscolon'+1)    .and. - 3      'posegal'      .eq.  'f$len(line)'     .and. - 3      'pos_at'       .eq.  'f$len(line)'     .and. - 3      "''firstchar'" .eqs. "$"               .and. - $      'pospace'      .gt.  'poscolon' $ then& $    L1 = f$extract(0,poscolon+1,line)0 $    L2 = f$extract(poscolon+1,f$len(line),line)G $    if f$extract(0,1,L2) .eqs. " " then L2 = f$extract(1,f$len(L2),L2)  $    write out_ch L1! $    k=k+1							!records written  $    write out_ch "$",L2! $    k=k+1							!records written " $    l=l+1							!labels formatted $    goto LOOP3  $ endif  $ write out_ch line  $ k=k+1							!records written $ goto LOOP3 $! $EOF:  $ close out_ch $ say k," lines written" $ s="s"  $ if l .eq. 1 then s = ""   $ say l," label",s," formatted." $ exit $ ENDSUBROUTINE  $! $CLEAN2: SUBROUTINE  $ say = "write sys$output"	 $ file=p1  $ if f$search(file) .eqs. "" $ then" $    say "File ",file," not found"	 $    exit  $ endif  $ i = 0					!input line nr/ $ out_file = f$parse(file,,,"name") + ".CLEAN2"  $ close/nolog in_ch  $ open/read  in_ch  'file' $LOOP: $ i=i+1  $ read/end=LOOP2 in_ch line  $ L_'i' = line $ goto LOOP  $! $LOOP2: 
 $ close in_ch  $ i=i-1  $ say ""( $ say "Cleaning IF THEN ELSE ENDIF code" $ say i," lines loaded"  $ close/nolog out_ch $ open/write out_ch 'out_file' $ j = 0					!read index nr $ k = 0					!output line nr $ $ l = 0					!nr of IF THEN formatted $ nbsp=0 $ spaces[30,1] :=  $ sp=""  $LOOP3:  $ j=j+1  $ if j .gt. i then goto EOF & $ line = f$edit(L_'j',"trim,compress")3 $ if f$len(line)         .eq.   0   then goto LOOP3 3 $ if line                .eqs. "$"  then goto LOOP3 3 $ if f$extract(0,1,line) .eqs. "!"  then goto LOOP3 $ $ if f$extract(0,2,line) .eqs. "$!"  $ then $    if "''p2'" .nes. ""	 $    then ( $       write out_ch line				!do nothing# $       k=k+1						!records written 
 $    endif $    goto LOOP3  $ endif  $ line = f$edit(line,"upcase") $!) $! process IF THEN ELSE ENDIF indentation  $! $SKIP:% $ if f$extract(0,4,line) .eqs. "$IF "  $ then6 $    if f$locate(" THEN",line) .ne. f$len(line)	!found	 $    then  $       write out_ch line $ $       k=k+1							!records written	 $    else 4 $       if f$extract(f$len(line)-1,1,line) .eqs. "-" $       then $          k2=j+1 B $          line2 = f$edit(L_'k2',"uncomment,trim,compress,upcase")& $          line = line + "// " + line2 $          j=j+1 $          goto SKIP
 $       endif * $       write out_ch line				!line with IF $	k=k+1							!records written $       prev_line = line
 $       j=j+1 = $       line = f$edit(L_'j',"uncomment,trim,compress,upcase") & $       if line .eqs. "$THEN"			!alone $       then $          write out_ch line  $	   k=k+1						!records written $       else= $          if f$locate(" THEN",line) .eq. f$len(line) .and. - 5               f$locate("$THEN",line) .eq. f$len(line)  $          then  $             write out_ch line " $	      k=k+1					!records written $             goto LOOP3 $          endif/ $          if f$extract(0,5,line) .eqs. "$THEN"  $          then  $             L1 = "$THEN"0 $             L2 = f$extract(6,f$len(line),line) $          else 8 $             L1 = f$extract(0,f$locate(" THEN")+5,line)B $             L2 = f$extract(f$locate(" THEN")+6,f$len(line),line) $          endif $          write out_ch L1  $ 	   k=k+1					!records written $          write out_ch "$",L2 $	   k=k+1					!records written  $          l=l+1
 $       endif 
 $    endif $    goto LOOP3  $ endif & $ if f$extract(0,5,line) .eqs. "$ELSE" $ then$ $    if line .eqs. "$ELSE"				!alone	 $    then  $       write out_ch line  $	k=k+1							!records written	 $    else  $          L1 = "$ELSE" - $          L2 = f$extract(6,f$len(line),line)  $          write out_ch L1! $ 	   k=k+1						!records written  $          write out_ch "$",L2! $ 	   k=k+1						!records written  $          l=l+1
 $    endif $    goto LOOP3  $ endif  $ write out_ch line  $ k=k+1							!records written $ goto LOOP3 $! $EOF:  $ close out_ch $ say k," lines written"& $ say l," IF THEN ELSE ENDIF cleaned." $ if_cleaned == l9 $ exit $ ENDSUBROUTINE; $! $CLEAN3: SUBROUTINE# $ say = "write sys$output"	 $ file=p1e $ if f$search(file) .eqs. "" $ then" $    say "File ",file," not found"	 $    exit  $ endif  $ i = 0							!input line nr, $ src_file = f$parse(file,,,"name") + ".COM"/ $ out_file = f$parse(file,,,"name") + ".DCLDOC"m $ close/nolog in_chn $ open/read  in_ch  'file' $LOOP: $ i=i+1  $ read/end=LOOP2 in_ch linee $ L_'i' = line $ goto LOOPu $! $LOOP2:H
 $ close in_ch  $ i=i-1i $ say ""* $ say "Formatting IF THEN ELSE ENDIF code" $ say i," lines loaded"l $ close/nolog out_ch $ open/write out_ch 'out_file' $ write out_ch "$!+" $ write out_ch "$! ",src_filet $ write out_ch "$!"aJ $ write out_ch "$! This file has been formatted with FORMATEUR.COM V1.0-0"  $ write out_ch "$! on ",f$time() $ write out_ch "$!"mH $ write out_ch "$! The FORMATEUR procedure is an eMailWare product from"& $ write out_ch "$! MORANDI & Friends."? $ write out_ch "$! http://Didier.Morandi.Free.Fr/index_us.html"m $ write out_ch "$!-" $ j  = 0					!read index nrs $ k  = 0					!output line nr& $ f1 = 0					!nr of THEN code indented& $ f2 = 0					!nr or ELSE code indented' $ f3 = 0					!nr of ENDIF code indentede $ nbsp=0 $ spaces[30,1] :=h6 $ dotted = "-----------------------------------------"6 $ dotted = "_________________________________________" $ sp=""u $LOOP3:p $ j=j+1t $ if j .gt. i then goto EOFa& $ line = f$edit(L_'j',"trim,compress")3 $ if f$len(line)         .eq.   0   then goto LOOP3t3 $ if line                .eqs. "$"  then goto LOOP3n3 $ if f$extract(0,1,line) .eqs. "!"  then goto LOOP3s$ $ if f$extract(0,2,line) .eqs. "$!"  $ then $    if "''p2'" .nes. ""	 $    thenf( $       write out_ch line				!do nothing# $       k=k+1						!records writtena
 $    endif $    goto LOOP3e $ endifs $ line = f$edit(line,"upcase") $!& $! process THEN ELSE ENDIF indentation $!& $ if f$extract(0,5,line) .eqs. "$THEN" $ then $    gosub DO_WRITEi $    nbsp = nbsp + 3 $    f1=f1+1 $    goto LOOP3  $ else) $    if f$extract(0,5,line) .eqs. "$ELSE" 	 $    thenr $       nbsp = nbsp - 3e $       gosub DO_WRITE $       nbsp = nbsp + 3  $       f2=f2+1n $       goto LOOP3	 $    elsep- $       if f$extract(0,6,line) .eqs. "$ENDIF"o $       then $          nbsp = nbsp - 3 $          f3=f3+1
 $       endify
 $    endif $ endift $ gosub DO_WRITE $ goto LOOP3 $!
 $DO_WRITE:; $ line = f$edit(line,"lowercase")			!author's preference...  $!& $! process GOTO lines to upcase labels $!  $ g_pos = f$locate("goto ",line) $ if g_pos .ne. f$length(line) $ then( $    line = f$extract(0,g_pos+5,line)+ -0 	    f$edit(f$extract(g_pos+5,99,line),"upcase") $ endif  $!' $! process GOSUB lines to upcase labels  $!! $ g_pos = f$locate("gosub ",line)  $ if g_pos .ne. f$length(line) $ then( $    line = f$extract(0,g_pos+5,line)+ -0 	    f$edit(f$extract(g_pos+5,99,line),"upcase") $ endif  $ sp = f$extract(0,nbsp,spaces)&" $ if f$extract(0,1,line) .eqs. "$" $ then $!B $! do not indent when processing labels,  but make sure first that= $! it is a genuine label without embedded spaces or "=" sign.; $!% $    posegal   = 'f$locate("=",line)'5% $    pospace   = 'f$locate(" ",line)'59 $    if f$extract(f$len(line)-1,1,line) .eqs. ":" .and. -;9         posegal .eq. f$len(line)                  .and. -#          pospace .eq. f$len(line)	 $    then3; $       write out_ch "$!",f$extract(0,f$len(line)-3,dotted)6* $       write out_ch f$edit(line,"upcase") $ 	k=k+2							!records written;	 $    else0D $       if f$locate("// ",line) .eq. f$len(line)	!concatenated line? $       thenA $          write out_ch "$ ",sp,f$extract(1,f$len(line),line) !no5" $ 	   k=k+1							!records written) $       else							!yes, deconcatenate it3< $	   if f$parse(fullfile,,,"name") .eqs. "FORMATEUR" .and. -; 	      f$parse(fullfile,,,"type") .eqs. ".COM"       then -17 	      say "You are playing with your life, man... :-)" 6 $          L1 = f$extract(0,f$locate("// ",line),line)9 $          write out_ch "$ ",sp,f$extract(1,f$len(L1),L1)D! $ 	   k=k+1						!records writteniB $          L2 = f$extract(f$locate("// ",line)+2,f$len(line),line)/ $          if f$locate("// ",L2) .eq. f$len(L2)c $          then+< $             write out_ch "  ",sp,f$extract(1,f$len(L2),L2)# $ 	      k=k+1					!records written  $          elser5 $             L3 = f$extract(0,f$locate("// ",L2),L2),< $             write out_ch "  ",sp,f$extract(1,f$len(L3),L3)# $ 	      k=k+1					!records writtene? $             L4 = f$extract(f$locate("// ",L2)+2,f$len(L2),L2)v2 $             if f$locate("// ",L4) .eq. f$len(L4) $             then? $                write out_ch "  ",sp,f$extract(1,f$len(L4),L4)-& $ 	         k=k+1					!records written $             else8 $                L5 = f$extract(0,f$locate("// ",L4),L4)? $                write out_ch "  ",sp,f$extract(1,f$len(L5),L5)t& $ 	         k=k+1					!records writtenB $                L6 = f$extract(f$locate("// ",L4)+2,f$len(L4),L4)? $                write out_ch "  ",sp,f$extract(1,f$len(L6),L6) & $ 	         k=k+1					!records written $             endif  $          endif
 $       endife
 $    endif $ else $    write out_ch "  ",sp,line $    k=k+1					!records written3 $ endifd $ return $! $EOF:e $ close out_ch $ say k," lines written"9 $ say f1," THEN, ",f2," ELSE and ",f3," ENDIF formatted."r $ exit $ ENDSUBROUTINE    Enjoy.   D. -- eG   ---------------------------------------------------------------------aE MORANDI Consulting.  WEB: http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr/index_us.html.E Pflanzschulstrasse 53, 8004 Zurich, Switzerland. GSM: +41 79 705 4670f/ 19, chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.u  I Disaster Recovery Plans, Computer Security Audits, DEC OpenVMS ExpertisemH On parle franais, Man spricht Deutsch, Habla Castellano, English spoken   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:02:33 +0100m( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>' Subject: Re: DEC Supplied user account?-- Message-ID: <VA.000004c5.8307dbbd@bluewin.ch>r   In article nI <rdeininger-2011012342410001@user-2iveakl.dialup.mindspring.com>, Robert - Deininger wrote:: > In article <6mamvt05oh1fsi041ej7ci027dd4vqisjl@4ax.com>,, > netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com wrote: > C > > Will there be any negative impact if I remove account FIELD andc+ > > DEFAULT from the OpenVMS user database?h > K > Leave DEFAULT alone.  It has something to do with filling in the defaults.K > for new accounts that you create, IIRC.  I'm not sure AUTHORIZE will eveni > let you remove it. > 3 Correct. AUTHORIZE will not let you remove DEFAULT.  ___m
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2001 16:23:59 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: Re: DEC Supplied user account? 3 Message-ID: <rVDWCSVDizuQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>:   In article <rdeininger-2111011330320001@user-2ivec09.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:eH > In article <21NOV200100440736@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl > Perkins) wrote:h >  > D >> You should probably also have the DisUser flag set on the DEFAULTG >> account. Setting DisMail may not be a bad plan either - it turns out F >> that you can still send e-mail to a DisUsered account (although theD >> DEFAULT account usually points to a non-existant directory, which& >> ought to cause the mail to bounce). > I > I had the impression that DEFAULT came pre-equipped with DISUSER, but IkA > checked and it does not.  Note to self: stop relying on memory.s  @ A look at the listings kit for [LOGINOUT]VALIDATE.LIS shows that> routine LGI$SEARCHUSER returns -2 (meaning "invalid username") if the username is "DEFAULT".    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:19:31 -0500d2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)' Subject: Re: DEC Supplied user account? L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2111012319310001@user-2ive7a3.dialup.mindspring.com>  I In article <rVDWCSVDizuQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.netm (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:   > In articleA <rdeininger-2111011330320001@user-2ivec09.dialup.mindspring.com>,r4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:J > > In article <21NOV200100440736@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl > > Perkins) wrote:- > >  > > F > >> You should probably also have the DisUser flag set on the DEFAULTI > >> account. Setting DisMail may not be a bad plan either - it turns out H > >> that you can still send e-mail to a DisUsered account (although theF > >> DEFAULT account usually points to a non-existant directory, which( > >> ought to cause the mail to bounce). > > K > > I had the impression that DEFAULT came pre-equipped with DISUSER, but IRC > > checked and it does not.  Note to self: stop relying on memory.p > B > A look at the listings kit for [LOGINOUT]VALIDATE.LIS shows that@ > routine LGI$SEARCHUSER returns -2 (meaning "invalid username") > if the username is "DEFAULT".t  9 So the account is effectively DISUSERed by hard-wiring...a   -- u Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:28:12 -0000-3 From: "Malcolm" <malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk>-$ Subject: Re: F$GETQUI wildcard bug??/ Message-ID: <9tgv41$b84$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>   8 "Dave Greenwood" <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote in message, news:21NOV01.15594883@feda01.fed.ornl.gov... [...]-K > I've always put location information in the queue description, along withcK > printer type, b/w or color, etc.  I dislike the practice of incorporating"G > too much specific info in queue names.  We once had "Hazel's printer"uI > on our Mac systems.  Hazel left and eventually the printer was moved tonB > another office - but it was still "Hazel's printer".  Talk aboutJ > confusing!  Sort of like trying to remember what "biff" does in U**x ;-) >t That's Unix. It's a dog. ;-)  G > It's still not clear to me why the SHOW QUEUE is necessary.  Is there2E > something you get from SHOW QUEUE that you can't get from F$GETQUI?pJ No, it isn't _strictly_ necessary, but I wanted to write a generic commandH procedure to select queues, then perform a given command against each ofC these queues in turn. It fell over when I tried SHOW QUEUE /FULL...n  A And there is one great advantage SHOW QUEUE offers over F$GETQUI.eD Convenience... F$GETQUI must be one of the hardest-to-use, yet leastE documented, lexicals available. What the documentation lacks are good,+ examples, especially including wildcards...	  @ But, I got it working in the end by putting the queue names in aL comma-separated list, then working on the list. Until I run into a situationJ where the total list of queue names (and commas) exceeds 2,048 characters, this should work OK.   So I can now do:  , $ @WITH_CHAR SITE1_PRINTERS SHOW QUEUE /FULL. $ @WITH_CHAR SITE1_PRINTERS STOP /QUEUE /RESET3 $ @WITH_CHAR SITE2_PRINTERS SET QUEUE /RETAIN=ERROR'   etc...  C It's just something I'm experimenting with. In the future we may bebF supporting 12 or so sites. Something to help organise all those queuesF (queue managers are no good, you can only have five) could be helpful.  J Another nice feature of characteristics is that a queue can have more than oneqK of them... so I can have a queue with the characteristics SITE1_PRINTER and  alsoF the characteristic, say, LAT_PRINTERS. If I needed to stop all the LAT
 printers I
 could use:+ $ @WITH_CHAR LAT_PRINTERS STOP /QUEUE /NEXT!9 Same could be true of the IP printers using UCX$TELNETSYM * $ @WITH_CHAR IP_PRINTERS STOP /QUEUE /NEXT  I That way, if I hat to replace UCX$TELNETSYM, for instance, one command isf3 all it takes to shut down all the printers usng IP.n  	 -Malcolm.p >e > Dave > --------------; > Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV"J > Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:39:06 GMTf* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: Intel Itanium versus AMD Hammer (& Alpha)@ Message-ID: <upTK7.71480$2w.3761615@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  5 Tony Scandora <scandora@cmt.anl.gov> wrote in message % news:9tgqi2$3es$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov... G > If I remember correctly, despite Hammer's other virtues, there are no" plansc > to port Windows to it.  H It's kind of difficult to remember the non-existence of something unlessJ you're a significant participant in the decision loop that establishes it: are you?  G Though I don't know whether Microsoft has said anything publicly on thetD matter, there have been reported 'sightings' of Hammer-specific codeL features in Win64.  And of course Hammer will run 32-bit Windows without any port at all.  5   Without Windows, Hammer won't ever exceed the nichet > volume that doomed Alpha.   ? Even without Win64, it's by no means clear that an inexpensive,hI high-performance 64-bit processor that runs existing IA32 code (including E Windows code under Wine, for example) natively at native speed and isaI actually *marketed* (unlike Alpha) couldn't achieve considerable success. G It would seem a cinch for popularity in the server and server-appliance L space, which is one reason Microsoft may feel the need to support Windows on9 it (in order to compete better with Linux in that space).O   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2001 14:37:45 -0600+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)l6 Subject: Re: Intel Itanium versus AMD Hammer (& Alpha)3 Message-ID: <xYNXRG77Jkqr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3BFBCA4A.7006CED8@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Fabio Cardoso wrote:2 >> I believe Itanium machines should have an "open2 >> firmware" loadable, depending on the OS used... >>  . >> What means we can run OVMS in Dell machines >> for example ! > N > I don't think that this is necessary. The types of customers who haven't yetP > left VMS are the types who want rock solid support.  And somehow, I just don'tM > see a large corporate custojmer risking their remaining VMS systems on DellfH > hardware with Dell hardware support (is there such a thing) and Compaq > software support.t  = We switched TO Dell for all of our NT servers, and removed or.C replaced all of our Compaq NT servers, because Dell provided better C service and support.  Compaq sales, sales support, and service weren all atrocious.  ? It would be easier for me to pitch VMS on Dell Itanium than anyeA Compaq based solution.  Our company will no longer buy any CompaqeA products, period, outside of VMS and VMS software support.  We'venB been burned too many times by Compaq's incompetence, indifference, and outright treachery.v  B GQ Palmer trimmed DEC so that CPQ could buy it.  Curly seems to be@ making sure that CPQ will be easy for the liquidators to digest.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:23:17 GMTn  From: cjt <cheljuba@prodigy.net>6 Subject: Re: Intel Itanium versus AMD Hammer (& Alpha)+ Message-ID: <3BFC375D.B04EAE88@prodigy.net>   J Why couldn't they just put a clause in the license agreement saying it mayM only be run on Compaq equipment, or even tie it to a specific machine?  Is a ,H technical lock really necessary?  Would very many users risk lawsuits to save a few bucks on hardware?n   Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > May be YES... May be NOt > - > What worries more is Compaq/HP  develop the=0 > new Itanium machines to run OVMS with specific% > characteristics in the firmware....c > 1 > I believe Itanium machines should have an "opene1 > firmware" loadable, depending on the OS used...  > - > What means we can run OVMS in Dell machinest > for example !  > 2 > But if Compaq redeseings OVMS just for Compaq/HP > machines.. we are lost ! > 4 > Of course I would like AMD - cheaper - and proably4 > will be developed a "Hammer Notebook" to run OVMS. > 	 > Regards  >  > FC% > --- Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:e1 > > In the German magazine CT I've read some very  > > interesting stuff about  > > AMD's new Hammer CPU.t > > 4 > > As you will know it is a 64 bit successor to the > > present Athlon series,0 > > and it has a excellent 32 bit x86 emulation, > > contrary to the Itanium. > >e4 > > But look at this, expected SPECint 2000 figures: > >e > > Itanium @ 0.8 GHz -> 380 > > Alpha EV7 @ 1.2 GHz -> 800# > > AMD Hammer @ 2 GHz -> 1400 (!!)p > > 0 > > It has a integrated memory controller with a > > bandwith of 5.33 > > Gigabyte/sec..8 > > The best thing however is that it seems it will have > > 3 HyperTransport2 > > channels for interprocessor communication. One > > HyperTransport channel6 > > has a bandwith of 6.4 GigaByte/sec. It all reminds > > me of the EV7  > > design.... > >!- > > Maybe we should ask for VMS on Hammer ???  > >  > >a > >  > >E > >E >  > =====  > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazilu > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?G > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month.R% > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:48:19 -0800M$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>6 Subject: Re: Intel Itanium versus AMD Hammer (& Alpha)0 Message-ID: <01C172AC.59AA02E0@sulfer.icius.com>  , > From: Tony Scandora (scandora@cmt.anl.gov)8 > Subject: Re: Intel Itanium versus AMD Hammer (& Alpha) > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms" > Date: 2001-11-21 10:11:08 PST- >-M > If I remember correctly, despite Hammer's other virtues, there are no planspM > to port Windows to it.  Without Windows, Hammer won't ever exceed the niche) > volume that doomed Alpha.q > 3 > Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541" > scandora@cmt.anl.gov  E I see what you're saying, but that may be irrelevant for some time. InE believe Hammer is intended to also be AMD's fastest muncher of 32 bitrH code, even above Athlon in the pecking order. If that truly is the case,E then it will be a contender for the 32 bit server market. If it takes E off there, Microsoft will see a nice big potential customer base withqG existing hardware all ripe for an upgrade, and 64 bit Windows on Hammer1 will appear sooner or later.  H It has a better chance than Alpha did, even if the marketing ends up theF same. That 32 bit software is the foot in the door, if the performance	 is right.o   Shane    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:10:15 -0000 ; From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@computershare.co.uk> 0 Subject: Re: Is it a DEC C problem, or is it me?B Message-ID: <1006369808.21821.0.nnrp-12.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>   And wasn't VAXC a Cutlerism?   -- David McKenzie Charon Consulting (Australia)o( david.mckenzie@mig.spitfire0.demon.co.uk   (But who wants a Mig?)   !,L "Jan Vorbrueggen" <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote inJ message news:y4u1voxe6i.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...1 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  >l. > > re: eventual widthdrawal of vax-c support. > >rL > > You know, this is quite smart. First port existing  DEC-C compiler. ThisJ > > reduces the pain of being forced off Alpha and only that IA64 thing. A year or,I > > two later, once the customer is on that IA64 thing, you force him offs his lastH > > vestige of Digital quality and onto a painful migration to the Intel compiler > > without an OS change.e >iL > VAXC hever had anything to do with "DEC quality". Anything referring to it isI > a nightmare waiting to happen. Anybody still using production code that_ will= > only compile with /STAND=VAXC should be dismissed and shot.i >i > Jana   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:08:07 -0000 ; From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@computershare.co.uk>   Subject: Re: IT Jobs (Australia)B Message-ID: <1006369680.21756.0.nnrp-12.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>  7 You won't lose her in Sydney. (I am from Melbourne) :-)(   -- David McKenzie Charon Consulting (Australia)f( david.mckenzie@mig.spitfire0.demon.co.uk   (But who wants a Mig?)   ! ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in messagec: news:20011121113938.15149.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com... Dear Aussies  1 I would like to know where I can get informations  about IT jobs in Australia.o  - Me and my girlfriend are planning to go therei3 next year in vacations to check future oportunities+ there.  4 As she is an IT specialist like me, we will look for opportunities in this arena.    2 We would like suggestions of better cities to work	 and live./  4 At this moment we dont plan to immigrate definitvly.1 Is just to have an international experience (+- 5t	 years)...   2 Of course I would like Europe (Spain, UK, Germany)0 but she is "obsessed" in Australia, and I prefer4 dont lose my girlfriend - as you see a good girl  is  difficult to find everywhere :-)     Regards    FC   =====r ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?E Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. # http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:10:27 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o  Subject: Re: IT Jobs (Australia), Message-ID: <3BFC0A1C.D1E9E7FE@videotron.ca>   David McKenzie wrote:a > 9 > You won't lose her in Sydney. (I am from Melbourne) :-)N  N BHP mine at Groote Eylantd in NT. Just pay the airport employee to prevent theL wife from boarding the daily flight, and you're sure not to lose her (unlessQ she is a very good swimmer and can handle salties with her bear hands :-) :-) :-)i  A melbourne is the more "artistic" city, whereas Sydney is the more  energetic/brash city.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:37:27 -0700n4 From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam>' Subject: LIB$SPAWN Command length limit-2 Message-ID: <s8VK7.399$KH4.153867@news.uswest.net>  J What is the maximum command length that can be given as the first argumentI to LIB$SPAWN from VMS BASIC?  The DCL manual says the CLI can handle 1024nG characters, but a 271 character long argument to LIB$SPAWN is returningn CLI$_BUFOVF.  * The BASIC program as LIB$SPAWN defined as: EXTERNAL LONG   FUNCTIONL LIB$SPAWN(STRING,STRING,STRING,STRING,STRING,STRING,STRING,STRING,STRING,STR ING,STRING,STRING,STRING)c   -- Thanks,r
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:06:28 GMTt/ From: "James Wilkinson" <elementyl@hotmail.com>a+ Subject: Re: LIB$SPAWN Command length limiti? Message-ID: <UrWK7.126$ZH1.38761597@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>e   "Michael D. Ober" wrote:L > What is the maximum command length that can be given as the first argument? > to LIB$SPAWN from VMS BASIC?  The DCL manual says the CLI can H > handle 1024 characters, but a 271 character long argument to LIB$SPAWN > is returning CLI$_BUFOVF.a  K 256.  The 1024 is in the context of using continuation hyphens, but for anyn> single buffer it is 256.  If  you need more use an input file.   James4   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:21:28 -0800 < From: "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <Kenneth.H.Fairfield@intel.com>+ Subject: Re: LIB$SPAWN Command length limite( Message-ID: <3BFC36F8.AF73968@intel.com>   "Michael D. Ober" wrote:  L > What is the maximum command length that can be given as the first argumentK > to LIB$SPAWN from VMS BASIC?  The DCL manual says the CLI can handle 1024aI > characters, but a 271 character long argument to LIB$SPAWN is returningc > CLI$_BUFOVF.  >     Symbols themselves can be up to 255 characters long, theirC expansion can by up to 1024 characters (or up to 2048 characters ifRC you use WRITE/SYMBOL).  But the problem you're running into is that"B a DCL command line can only be 255 characters.  Since LIB$SPAWN is@ handing off the string you pass it to DCL to parse, etc., you're limited to 255 characters.       -Ken --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:05:35 +0000g4 From: Andrew Swallow <andrew.swallow@baesystems.com> Subject: Re: Life After Alpha2. Message-ID: <3BFBFAFF.A426BC0D@baesystems.com>   David Froble wrote:R >  > Alan Greig wrote:  > E > > In fairness I am not sure the speaker really believed some of the D > > Compaq party line but that was what he had to run with. He quiteI > > clearly wished I would shutup at times. Like it or not decisions haveeG > > been taken and, like the Compaq engineers, he said we would have too > > "get over it"t > > -- > > Alan > >Fe > Yes, decisions have been made, and the rank and file do as they're told, not what they may believe.. > # > But, "get over it" ???? !!!!!!!!!A  7 No problem.  Your competitors products are both cheaper  and better.  -- t7 _______________________________________________________t+ Andrew Swallow (7605) 2225   Cowes site, UKt andrew.swallow@baesystems.comr   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:18:52 GMTo  From: cjt <cheljuba@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: Life After Alpha + Message-ID: <3BFC3653.A724BB08@prodigy.net>    David Froble wrote:- >  <snip>I > It reasonable the believe that each entity will do whatever they can tofI > make their product look good.  In such a case, while the numbers may be$H > bogus for the real world, they would still give some indication of the" > relative merits of each product. > L Sure, as long as you understand that they could be incomparable by a factor 
 of 2 or 3.  F > What does seem consistant is that in all such comparisons, the IA-64G > always seems to be far behind.  And this from a product that has beenaJ > 'in the making' for a long time.  Seems that they just haven't been ableG > to do as well as anyone else.  Still, they could dominate, if they'rer > the only product available.o > C > This weeks biggest joke however, is the use of the term 'industryiI > standard' for a product that is for the most part still in development,cG > with some box makers doing some evaluation and selling a few systems.t  L I agree wholeheartedly.  They should be called on that at every opportunity.K In fact, I object to the term "industry standard" even as it is applied to tF the X86 architecture.  There are multiple "industry standards" by any K reasonable definition that includes the X86, and variants within that line  F could hardly be called "industry standard."  For instance, is an 8088  "industry standard" today?    J > Just wish some of those marketing people had been pushing Alpha and VMS. >  > Dave >  > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com8 > T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 01:16:34 GMTR/ From: StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood)S  Subject: Re: Mail redistribution0 Message-ID: <3bfc51a2.1052462@news.telocity.com>  C One more time.  If this is getting out to the rest of the internet,iD would someone at least reply to this?  This is the third try, but my ISP has not been propagating.e   Steve   @ On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:55:47 GMT, StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood) wrote:e   >Hello all:a >aC >Is there a piece of software around that can pull email from a POPeD >acount, search the headers and redistribute the mail to various POPG >accounts?  I would like to use my OpenVMS Alpha as the server.  I also < >plan on doing something similiar for the newsgroups I read. >N> >Each person in my household currently has a poboxes.com emailF >redirection address which all point to any email account I choose (toD >eliminate email address changes through ISP changes).  Currently, IF >have Eudora pull the email from the ISP and distribute it to seperateE >mail folders for each person, but all email needs to be read on that-E >machine.  Now that I have my network configured, it makes more sensel3 >to split the email to the machine the person uses.I >iB >With my curent ISP, I could run my own SMTP server and register aE >domain name, but I don't need that much and I am not sure how long Io  >will be sticking with this ISP. >o) >Any ideas on  this would be appreciated., >s >Steve >Steven P. Underwood,DNRCa >Whitinsville,MA >StevenU@POBoxes.com   Steven P. Underwood,DNRC Whitinsville,MAn StevenU@POBoxes.comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:45:12 +1030i% From: Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au>o  Subject: Re: Mail redistribution* Message-ID: <3BFC7BD0.88DD4D1A@vsm.com.au>  
 Hello Steven,i  E > >Is there a piece of software around that can pull email from a POPlF > >acount, search the headers and redistribute the mail to various POPI > >accounts?  I would like to use my OpenVMS Alpha as the server.  I alsoo> > >plan on doing something similiar for the newsgroups I read.  D I am told that there are two "reasonable" packages that provide thisM functionality: 'fetchmail' for Linux, and 'mdaemon' for Windows.  Nothing fora OpenVMS as far as I know.d  , I use the word "reasonable" for two reasons:B 1) there are other packages, including Exchange, which do it badly 2) it's a bad idea anyway.  E I share offices with my ISP, helping to support their mail server.  ArL recurring problem is mis-configured POP clients which are trying to downloadN mail for multiple local mailboxes using a single mailbox at the ISP (just likeI you want to do).  POP just isn't intended for that purpose and has to useJM assorted non-standard RFC822 headers (or use standard headers in odd ways) toJ' determine who the mail is actually for.i  D > >With my curent ISP, I could run my own SMTP server and register aG > >domain name, but I don't need that much and I am not sure how long Ia" > >will be sticking with this ISP.  N Set up your own local SMTP and POP/IMAP server.  It will be much more reliableL in the long run and should be fully compatible with any ISP you care to work with.s  N If you are running this in your home for your family, and it's not primarily aH business activity, you should be able to get a MultiNet licence for your3 AlphaServer which will give you SMTP, POP and IMAP.e   Regards,            Jeremy Begg  =   +---------------------------------------------------------+D=   |            VSM Software Services Pty. Ltd.              | =   |                 http://www.vsm.com.au/                  |r=   |       "OpenVMS Systems Management & Programming"        |l=   |---------------------------------------------------------|e=   | P.O.Box 402, Walkerville, |  E-Mail:  jeremy@vsm.com.au |r=   | South Australia 5081      |   Phone:  +61 8 83592155    | =   |---------------------------|  Mobile:  0414 422 947      | =   |  A.C.N. 068 409 156       |     FAX:  +61 8 82231777    |o=   +---------------------------------------------------------+    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:17:31 -0500u2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)  Subject: Re: Mail redistributionL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2111012317310001@user-2ive7a3.dialup.mindspring.com>  K In article <3bfc51a2.1052462@news.telocity.com>, StevenU@POBoxes.com wrote:h  E > One more time.  If this is getting out to the rest of the internet,kF > would someone at least reply to this?  This is the third try, but my > ISP has not been propagating.   H Your post did make it to my news server.  But I don't know the answer to your question.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  ( Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:21:44 PM -00002 From: Karen Mcpherson <karen.mcpherson@myself.com>
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Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com>4 Subject: Re: Mounting bound volume sets after reboot1 Message-ID: <9wTK7.1198$dl4.84842@brie.direct.ca>c  - <Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com> wrote in messageo4 news:OF8789855C.9C211D5D-ON00256B0B.0055D8B9@btyp... >  > Dear All," >sD > A quick question which is bothering me [because I am too stupid toF > understand or remember what I did before many moons ago!] about disk volume > sets.g > G > I have created a few volume sets on one of our development boxes withl > commands similar to this;n >d > $ mount/sys/bind=mapsa01 -? >         $75$dkc2:,$75$dkc3:,$75$dkc4:,$75$dkc5:,$75$dkc100: -o1 >         mapsa11,mapsa12,mapsa13,mapsa14,mapsa15s   Fwiw, that's how I do it too!F Scotta   >(J > Now, to keep that configuration on reboot, do I have to enter that exactG > same command in our procedure to mount disks at startup, or somethingt else.  >mI > I know this sounds a daft question, but I have created doubts in my own  > mind about this. >S > Thanks >y	 > Steve Sa >M >a >PH > ______________________________________________________________________ >  >l > [Information] -- PostMaster:F > This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beI > confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message hasaI > been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce,M& > distribute or use this transmission. > J > Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isI > not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have receivedpD > this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message. >g > Thank you. >lF > Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.= > Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.o > K > Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire,-F > RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041. >  >:   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:02:13 -0000-; From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@computershare.co.uk>  Subject: Re: Non virtual QIOB Message-ID: <1006369326.21505.0.nnrp-12.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>  F Most likely it is IOs to do window turns etc... Are the files involved fragmented?o   -- David McKenzie Charon Consulting (Australia),( david.mckenzie@mig.spitfire0.demon.co.uk   (But who wants a Mig?)   !t7 "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in messagep# news:3BFBC819.97C8D702@gtech.com...u > Kenneth wrote:G > > When I use the DECps to capture the hotfile for the disks, the listo sometimeH > > has the file Non-virtual QIO with all the IO and split IO statistic. What is  > > this file? >-. > I do not know DECPs, but I would guess that: >-# > non-virtual = logical or physicalp >s8 > (that is blocks being accessed by block number on disk& > instead of block number within file) >P > Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:21:59 +0800N( From: "Kenneth" <yeungkenneth@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Non virtual QIO+ Message-ID: <9thg2n$lor$1@news.net-yan.com>2   But what is that means?D  7 "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message0# news:3BFBC819.97C8D702@gtech.com...n > Kenneth wrote:G > > When I use the DECps to capture the hotfile for the disks, the listl sometimeH > > has the file Non-virtual QIO with all the IO and split IO statistic. What is< > > this file? > . > I do not know DECPs, but I would guess that: >t# > non-virtual = logical or physical  > 8 > (that is blocks being accessed by block number on disk& > instead of block number within file) >e > Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2001 17:40:40 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)N Subject: Re: Non virtual QIO< Message-ID: <cf15391e.0111211740.5b0691f@posting.google.com>  Z "Kenneth" <yeungkenneth@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<9tgd9q$3s$1@news.net-yan.com>...N > When I use the DECps to capture the hotfile for the disks, the list sometimeN > has the file Non-virtual QIO with all the IO and split IO statistic. What is > this file?  E I saw a lot of this on a large cluster I had, and had to ask around ad+ lot until I got a satisfactory explanation:i  A When a disk I/O occurs, DECps reportedly records the LBN (logicaloD block number) range involved in the I/O request.  The goal is to mapF these LBNs to VBNs, (virtual block numbers) within specific files.  ItC is possible to do this based on the extent information available in B file headers, but DECps reportedly defers this work until slightlyF later in time (I don't know exactly why -- perhaps because it's easierD to do so in process context, with easy access to the index file infoC via the file system, than in driver context; or perhaps to minimize5F the overhead in driver context for each I/O compared with trying to doD this lookup in-line with each I/O request; and quite likely so as toB minimize data collection overhead since you'll often be doing manyE successive I/Os to the same file, and it might well cache file extent48 info for recently-accessed files for efficiency's sake).  E I was told that sometimes (particularly when a lot of temporary filesoF are being created and deleted soon after they are created) by the timeD DECps tries to map the LBNs to VBNs within a file on the disk, there? is no match anymore, so this I/O gets thrown into the bucket of B non-Virtual I/Os (I/Os which don't correspond to the Virtual Block" Numbers within any existing file).C ------------------------------------------------------------------->C Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | VMS consulting on: C Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Internals, Performance, Storage & I/O/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:05:57 -0000/; From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@computershare.co.uk>eI Subject: Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)eB Message-ID: <1006369550.21668.0.nnrp-12.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>  7 But isn't it Madison we are supposed to be waiting for?o   -- David McKenzie Charon Consulting (Australia)Y( david.mckenzie@mig.spitfire0.demon.co.uk   (But who wants a Mig?)   ! 3 "Greg Cagle" <gregc@gregcagle.com> wrote in messageY) news:tvnt2u7chvb13f@corp.supernews.com...7 > A > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 5 news:VSQK7.2514$bR6.678173@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...  > >>9 > > "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message8 > > >aJ > > > What does seem consistant is that in all such comparisons, the IA-64K > > > always seems to be far behind.  And this from a product that has beensI > > > 'in the making' for a long time.  Seems that they just haven't been  ableK > > > to do as well as anyone else.  Still, they could dominate, if they're>! > > > the only product available.g > >&L > > Merced is a more than a day late, and more than a few cents short on theH > > performance front. Perhaps Intel's hype is coming back to haunt 'em. ThatF > > said, I believe the jury will be out until McKinley numbers become > > available. > J > A large part of IA-64 performance lies in the compiler technology, which9 > is maturing rapidly. Terry's right - wait for McKinley.  > -- > Greg Cagle > gregc at gregcagle dot com >T >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:08:31 GMT=4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>I Subject: Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)>; Message-ID: <PYSK7.2542$bR6.724281@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   F "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@computershare.co.uk> wrote in message< news:1006369550.21668.0.nnrp-12.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk...9 > But isn't it Madison we are supposed to be waiting for?  >o > -- > David McKenzie > Charon Consulting (Australia)   F Touche, mate! I guess it all depends on how long you want to wait. ;-}  L Fortunately we have EV78 (on track for bug-free Pass Two, Real Soon Now) and EV79 in the queue...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:27:43 GMTT* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>I Subject: Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)a@ Message-ID: <PeTK7.71479$2w.3754616@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  D David McKenzie <david.mckenzie@computershare.co.uk> wrote in message< news:1006369550.21668.0.nnrp-12.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk...9 > But isn't it Madison we are supposed to be waiting for?w  L Not yet - we won't be asked to wait for Madison until McKinley's performanceJ has been measured against its competition.  Though actually, since MadisonL is just McKinley on a line-width diet plus some additional cache to keep theE chip effective as a space-heater, we may just be able to optimize out$E waiting for Madison completely and transition directly to waiting forsJ something as-yet vaporous that has embedded Alpha expertise as part of itsE attraction (thus perhaps at least marginally increasing some people's  willingness to wait for it...).m   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2001 12:34:57 -08003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>aI Subject: Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)_0 Message-ID: <qhbshvkglq.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  6 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:N > Fortunately we have EV78 (on track for bug-free Pass Two, Real Soon Now) and > EV79 in the queue...  E Wow, I haven't seen any bug-free microprocessors since the 8-bitters.tG Most modern microprocessors have very long errata lists.  If Compaq can D really make bug-free microprocessors, why haven't they been bragging	 about it?   J Now that the designers have moved to Intel, will new Intel microprocessorsE be bug-free?  I doubt it, except in the sense that you'll get all the % bugs at no extra charge ("for free").u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:52:14 -0500n( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>I Subject: Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)i, Message-ID: <3BFC685E.8080202@tsoft-inc.com>  J >>A large part of IA-64 performance lies in the compiler technology, which9 >>is maturing rapidly. Terry's right - wait for McKinley." >>-- >>Greg Cagle >>gregc at gregcagle dot com  | Why, when it comes to Intel and Microsoft, we're suppost to wait for some promised wonder, when everybody else 'has it now'?     Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:59:00 GMTa4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>I Subject: Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)h8 Message-ID: <8K_K7.29$682.76390@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messagep& news:3BFC685E.8080202@tsoft-inc.com...L > >>A large part of IA-64 performance lies in the compiler technology, which; > >>is maturing rapidly. Terry's right - wait for McKinley.1 > >>-- > >>Greg Cagle > >>gregc at gregcagle dot com >cK > Why, when it comes to Intel and Microsoft, we're suppost to wait for someh2 promised wonder, when everybody else 'has it now'?  : Good point. Digital had it then, but Digital's had it now.  K To be fair to Intel, those folks have done a pretty decent job cranking theiH clock on their IA32 stuff for the past couple of years... on a MHz basisL they overtook and blew by Alpha (and everyone else) and haven't looked back.K How good the IPF architecture will be remains to be seen, but Andy G's boys<B and girls seem to know what they're doing when it comes to process technology.4   As did Digital, way back when.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:01:10 -00008; From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@computershare.co.uk>  Subject: Re: Oops, how to undo?eB Message-ID: <1006369266.21467.0.nnrp-12.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>   Or of course edit/aclp   -- David McKenzie Charon Consulting (Australia)<( david.mckenzie@mig.spitfire0.demon.co.uk   (But who wants a Mig?)   !T9 "Nazim MANSER" <Nazim.Manser@socgen.com> wrote in messagebL news:05D7D3BFBA17C04C*/c=FR/admd=ATLAS/prmd=SG/o=INFI/s=MANSER/g=NAZIM/@MHS. ..# > Here is an example how to do this= >e > VAX7> set file *.*K /acl=(identifier=[produc,production],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE+DELETE) /log > > %SET-I-MODIFIED, DSA2:[MANSER.ARBEIT.AES]TEST.DAT;1 modified
 > VAX7> di >g$ > Directory DSA2:[MANSER.ARBEIT.AES] >/G > TEST.DAT;1           [SYSTEM]                         (RWED,RWED,RE,)> > A (IDENTIFIER=[PRODUC,PRODUCTION],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE+DELETE)> >  > Total of 1 file.% > VAX7> set acl /acl /delete *.* /log<> > %SET-I-MODIFIED, DSA2:[MANSER.ARBEIT.AES]TEST.DAT;1 modified
 > VAX7> di >e$ > Directory DSA2:[MANSER.ARBEIT.AES] >oG > TEST.DAT;1           [SYSTEM]                         (RWED,RWED,RE,)n >; > Total of 1 file. >> >  > Nazim Manser >2   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2001 15:07:46 -0600+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)4B Subject: Re: Open VMS Alpha-to-Itanium: Development update webcast3 Message-ID: <Tuqqe2M7Xw+5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <GI+csQr+Xmei@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:De > In article <TWKK7.35478$z55.5327200@typhoon.neo.rr.com>, "Rich Bjers" <RBjers@Cinci.RR.Com> writes:b >> =O >> http://compaqnonstop.rs88.net/servlet/cc3?%7Cn-1%28%269M%5Duzml_%5Cvq%7Cv1MM  >> 1%5Cpr9W9%2FA >> 5 >> To Register:; >> FO >> http://compaqnonstop.rs88.net/servlet/cc3?%7Cn-1%28%269M%5Duzml_%5Cvq%7Cv1MMN >> 1%5Cpr9W9.A > G >    Is that what was in all that HTML I got from Compaq the other day?  > E >    Now what technology do you suppose I have on my Alpha which willc( >    allow me to connect to a "webinar"?  C Not that it would matter.  As a CSA member I was invited to attend =A this "webinar" on the 19th.  The link they provided didn't work.  C I could listen to the lecture on the phone, but I couldn't view any<C of the graphics.  I sent an email to the contact listed on the site 3 asking for help and have yet to receive a response.>   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2001 16:32:06 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)TB Subject: Re: Open VMS Alpha-to-Itanium: Development update webcast3 Message-ID: <Zuk5Qn5dadmH@eisner.encompasserve.org>>  a In article <Tuqqe2M7Xw+5@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes: e > In article <GI+csQr+Xmei@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   H >>    Is that what was in all that HTML I got from Compaq the other day? >> aF >>    Now what technology do you suppose I have on my Alpha which will) >>    allow me to connect to a "webinar"?l > E > Not that it would matter.  As a CSA member I was invited to attend  C > this "webinar" on the 19th.  The link they provided didn't work.  E > I could listen to the lecture on the phone, but I couldn't view any E > of the graphics.  I sent an email to the contact listed on the site 5 > asking for help and have yet to receive a response.<  D I listened to the same thing by virtue of Sue Skonetski's invitationD published in this newsgroup.  I had the same experience with the webC stuff not working, but I can take notes and found the audio portion C was quite adequate.  They should save the money and skip the broken 1 web stuff.  Postal mail of the slides would work.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:56:22 +0100e, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>% Subject: Re: OT:  IT Jobs (Australia) & Message-ID: <3BFC14F7.E96C7809@gmx.ch>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > Dear Aussies > 3 > I would like to know where I can get informationsT > about IT jobs in Australia.z   Fabio,  P I heard recently that there is not a lot of work for DECcies in OZ these days...   D. -- aG   ---------------------------------------------------------------------OE MORANDI Consulting.  WEB: http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr/index_us.htmleE Pflanzschulstrasse 53, 8004 Zurich, Switzerland. GSM: +41 79 705 4670 / 19, chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.z  I Disaster Recovery Plans, Computer Security Audits, DEC OpenVMS ExpertisevH On parle franais, Man spricht Deutsch, Habla Castellano, English spoken   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:33:01 +1030r% From: Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au>e% Subject: Re: OT:  IT Jobs (Australia)E* Message-ID: <3BFC78F5.E0577D8C@vsm.com.au>   Hello Fabio,  3 > I would like to know where I can get informations  > about IT jobs in Australia.   J There's usually plenty of IT work around.  But not many VMS jobs (assumingF that's what you want to do).  Good sources for information include theL recruitment firm "tmp.worldwide" http://au.tmp.com/ and the Tuesday editionsM of two newspapers, "The Australian" http://australianit.news.com.au/ and "The, Age" http://it.mycareer.com.au/ ! which carry many ads for IT jobs.E   Regards,           Jeremy Begg   =   +---------------------------------------------------------+P=   |            VSM Software Services Pty. Ltd.              | =   |                 http://www.vsm.com.au/                  |t=   |       "OpenVMS Systems Management & Programming"        | =   |---------------------------------------------------------|s=   | P.O.Box 402, Walkerville, |  E-Mail:  jeremy@vsm.com.au | =   | South Australia 5081      |   Phone:  +61 8 83592155    |b=   |---------------------------|  Mobile:  0414 422 947      |S=   |  A.C.N. 068 409 156       |     FAX:  +61 8 82231777    |b=   +---------------------------------------------------------+n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:28:36 GMTiG From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP> J Subject: Re: RMS file structure internals documentation freely available ?6 Message-ID: <EfTK7.33341$xS6.58028@www.newsranger.com>  . On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:58:54 -0000, in articleM <1006369127.21353.0.nnrp-12.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>, David McKenzie wrote:i >= >Indeed there is >T) >Vms File System Internals by Kirby McCoy : >Digital Press Order Number EY-F575E-D1 ISBN 0-13-950874-0 >e9 >"Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> wrote in messagee# >news:3BFBEEC2.2412D665@ohio.edu... J >> There is a whole book, commercially available, from Digital Press, as I >recall, >> on the subject of RMS.O  H Thanks for the feedback, but this book just covers the ODS-2 file systemI internals. It does not cover the internal structure of the RMS files heldN on the file system.i   Simon.   -- i@ Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFPK In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discovered atE truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.L   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:41:46 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>J Subject: Re: RMS file structure internals documentation freely available ?@ Message-ID: <_rTK7.70634$dk.5083134@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  L Except for the minor problem that the book (which Simon himself mentioned in+ his original post) is about ODS-2, not RMS.n   - bill  D David McKenzie <david.mckenzie@computershare.co.uk> wrote in message< news:1006369127.21353.0.nnrp-12.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk... > Indeed there ise > * > Vms File System Internals by Kirby McCoy; > Digital Press Order Number EY-F575E-D1 ISBN 0-13-950874-0t >  > -- > David McKenzie > Charon Consulting (Australia)h* > david.mckenzie@mig.spitfire0.demon.co.uk >h > (But who wants a Mig?) >  > !n: > "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> wrote in message$ > news:3BFBEEC2.2412D665@ohio.edu...K > > There is a whole book, commercially available, from Digital Press, as In	 > recall,  > > on the subject of RMS. > >-' > >                                 RDP0 > >m > >t > > Simon Clubley wrote: > > I > > > Is there any documentation freely available on the internals of RMS0	 > files ?g. > > > I am mainly interested in indexed files. > > >eJ > > > I am aware of the chapter in the Guide to OpenVMS File Applications, as > well2 > > > as the RMS_TOOLS section of the freeware CD. > > >NH > > > What I am looking for is documentation along the lines of that for ODS-2 I > > > in Chapter 2 of McCoy. Is such RMS documentation freely available ?n > > >o! > > > Thanks for any information,h > > >s > > > Simon. > > >eE > > > PS: Anticipating Hoff :-), no, I am not trying to solve another  > (unstated)D > > > problem. I really am just interested in the RMS file structure > internals. > > > F > > > PPS: If such a document does not exist, is it the opinion of the > internalsuK > > > people here that such a document could be put together using just theoI > > > _freely_ available information in, for example, sys$library:lib.reqw anda > > > ANAL/RMS/INTER ? > > >o > > > --F > > > Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFPD > > > In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have > discovered aK > > > truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.a > >c > > --F > > ==================================================================F > > Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerF > > piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesF > > http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University > >i > >E >  >e >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:44:48 +0100,( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>J Subject: Re: RMS file structure internals documentation freely available ?- Message-ID: <VA.000004c6.832e8c0f@bluewin.ch>-  K In article <ma8K7.30157$xS6.47729@www.newsranger.com>, Simon Clubley wrote:eM > Is there any documentation freely available on the internals of RMS files ?n* > I am mainly interested in indexed files. > N > I am aware of the chapter in the Guide to OpenVMS File Applications, as well. > as the RMS_TOOLS section of the freeware CD. > J > What I am looking for is documentation along the lines of that for ODS-2E > in Chapter 2 of McCoy. Is such RMS documentation freely available ?  >  > Thanks for any information,i > M The best explanation of RMS structures I have seen came in an RMS-11 manual. gL Sadly this wasn't carried through into the VMS V4.0 rewrite of manuals. For J example, instead of a simple statement that a secondary key of two values D (Male and Female) was a Bad Idea, it explained how SIDR records are J constructed, and you could easily see for yourself _why_ it is a Bad Idea.  N I did manage to dig up a reference to an RMS-11 Internals manual in old DECUS O SIGtapes. How to get hold of them in readable format I don't know (did I see a h mention of BRU in there?).  N http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/decus/11s1
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 Paul Sture Switzerlandl   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:28:57 GMTl* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>J Subject: Re: RMS file structure internals documentation freely available ?@ Message-ID: <Yh_K7.73145$dk.5509046@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  3 Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> wrote in messagee' news:VA.000004c6.832e8c0f@bluewin.ch...A   ...f  F > The best explanation of RMS structures I have seen came in an RMS-11 manual.t  I Thank you - that would be the one I originally wrote that got turned into H English by Bob Abramson and may have been polished subsequently by LavarH Burton - two dedicated tech writers whom it was a pleasure to work with.  I > Sadly this wasn't carried through into the VMS V4.0 rewrite of manuals.7 For$K > example, instead of a simple statement that a secondary key of two valuesuE > (Male and Female) was a Bad Idea, it explained how SIDR records areaL > constructed, and you could easily see for yourself _why_ it is a Bad Idea. > I > I did manage to dig up a reference to an RMS-11 Internals manual in olda DECUSuJ > SIGtapes. How to get hold of them in readable format I don't know (did I see an > mention of BRU in there?).  J I have an ancient paper copy, but it was written during the implementationE of RMS-11 V1.0 and AFAIK never got updated.  RMS-32 (and even RMS-11)cG progressed significantly beyond those structures over time, so while ittL sheds some light on design decisions it doesn't bear too much resemblance to% the internals of the current product.e  G The most recent description I've heard of was a set of slides by ElinorwH Woods for 1990 Spring DECUS describing indexed file internals as of that point in time.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:54:31 GMTe* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>J Subject: Re: RMS file structure internals documentation freely available ?@ Message-ID: <XF_K7.73661$dk.5532179@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  3 Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messagea: news:Yh_K7.73145$dk.5509046@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... >u5 > Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> wrote in messager) > news:VA.000004c6.832e8c0f@bluewin.ch...c >s > ...e >oH > > The best explanation of RMS structures I have seen came in an RMS-11	 > manual.  >aK > Thank you - that would be the one I originally wrote that got turned intoaJ > English by Bob Abramson and may have been polished subsequently by LavarJ > Burton - two dedicated tech writers whom it was a pleasure to work with.  H Clearly, far too much Star Trek over the years - the latter was BurdetteH Lamar (and I came close to calling him Lamar Alexander this time around:F it's true that it has been close to 20 years now, but I also need more
 sleep...).   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Nov 2001 05:56:00 GMT% From: "Paul Dembry" <pade@trifox.com>  Subject: RMS multi-RAB accesst0 Message-ID: <9ti41g$snu@dispatch.concentric.net>  J Is there any way for multiple RABs hooked to the same FAB to not lock eachJ other out.  For example FAB is opened w/MSE and all SHRxxx.  RAB1 connectsH to FAB and locks a record.  RAB2 in the same process connects to FAB andK also wants to lock the same record (there is more to it but I have strippediL it down to the essentials); RAB2 gets an RMS_E_LCK error.  Is there some wayI that I can tell RMS that these two RABs in the same process can share then same locks?r Thanks,t Paul   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 06:05:54 GMT,* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>! Subject: Re: RMS multi-RAB accessw@ Message-ID: <6B0L7.42408$8q.6543818@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  . Paul Dembry <pade@trifox.com> wrote in message* news:9ti41g$snu@dispatch.concentric.net...L > Is there any way for multiple RABs hooked to the same FAB to not lock eachL > other out.  For example FAB is opened w/MSE and all SHRxxx.  RAB1 connectsJ > to FAB and locks a record.  RAB2 in the same process connects to FAB andD > also wants to lock the same record (there is more to it but I have strippedJ > it down to the essentials); RAB2 gets an RMS_E_LCK error.  Is there some wayDK > that I can tell RMS that these two RABs in the same process can share thes
 > same locks?   J No - because they *can't* share the same locks:  they are both independentI streams of execution, and if one has the record locked exclusively no onerG else - in the same process or elsewhere - can have access to it (unlesseL they're willing to bypass all locks and take their chances - an option whichI I don't know if RMS provides, but it's not the same as 'sharing' a lock).d   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:44:48 +0100h( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>> Subject: Re: Software to emulate someone sitting at a terminal- Message-ID: <VA.000004c7.832e8c23@bluewin.ch>.  B In article <OF6602CABF.F9749C04-ON00256B0B.004D04B2@btyp>,  wrote:M > Cyrano [France] has certainly done so. It would appear that the company haseM > been picked up by ANITE SYSTEMS in the UK, who will continue support and so  > on.  > M And ANITE Systems have been a heavy user of PSL's VMS products for nearly 20 a/ years, so they have a large commitment to them.s   ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland1   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:00:42 +0100e& From: Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de>B Subject: Re: Solaris: ready for prime time?  Keep your VMS system.$ Message-ID: <3BFC321A.4487@c-lab.de>   Bob Koehler wrote: > N > In article <3BFAD175.FF6@c-lab.de>, Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de> writes: > >iJ > > Sounds a little like the case I reported. 'fsck' ran with errors? (NotD > > sure what happens in such a case when UFS with logging is used). > H >    Don't know.  Solaris, like most UNIX, should automatically try fsck5 >    on an unclean mount and not mount if fsck fails.[D IIRC, it refuses to mount, and you have to run fsck yourself. DuringC startup, the filesystems are checked with 'fsck -p' that checks forf( 'stableness' and only runs if necessary.   > H >    So what do you do if fsck fails?  The sysadmins on this one spent a% >    long time with Sun on the phone.]  D It does not fail completely... it rather goes into 'berzerk' mode...H If the top directories are lost , then fsck tries to preserve as much asF possible, but asking you for every operation. So, you either ^C it andE run again with '-y' (yesyes...), or seriously consider calling a realeF guru. Normally, such a situation leads up to 80-90% of the files savedG under lost+found, but under the names of their original inode numbers. o  D So, if there is something really precious that has just been changedD before the crash, then go for it, but else better look for your lastC backup. Entangling such a mess is enormously entertaining, and withz2 knowledge of the previous structure really futile.   --  * Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de* Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany, Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 6060658 C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:44:07 -0800w$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>N Subject: Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org0 Message-ID: <01C172BC.825437A0@sulfer.icius.com>  G Yes, I believe Bin Laden is responsible, in partnership with a shedloadfE of other members of his organisation who should not be forgotten. ButiF belief and knowledge are two different things, especially since so farG my belief is based mainly on the American press. Hell, from other notese@ in this thread it seems the BBC are being more complete and lessH biassed, and if I were the one who had to pull the lever I wouldn't evenE take the BBC's word for it. I'd want to see the chain of evidence andsF hear the witnesses, not read a bunch of stories written by journalistsG who make more money the more they sensationalize it and tell the people G what they want to hear. How many newspapers could you sell with a story E saying someone else might be responsible, right now? I have a problem B with the press alone convicting anyone. That's not justice, that'sB lynching, and even when it's deserved that's unworthy of civilized people.9  C Another thing to consider. If the culprit is killed, he wins. ThinktE about it. His followers would see an executed Bin Laden as a martryr,aC which would just strengthen their determination. Under the rules ofe@ their religion, it would also be the culprit's ticket to instantB paradise - as I understand it, that's automatic for martyrs in theG muslim faith. So what would it serve? It brings no solution, not even aoG proper revenge, really. If anything, it makes matters worse. Still, thehH culprit can't be allowed to walk free either. The punishment has to be aF true one in the culprit's own terms, as well as satisfying to the restB of the world community. I don't have a solution for this, I'm just pointing it out.  D I've also seen a few comments about it being an "unprovoked attack".H Nothing like this is ever unprovoked, from the culprit's perspective. ItE may be a warped and twisted justification from our point of view, butaF it's there. Until more people realise that, start trying to understandD and work with it, this will never be over. You can't smash terrorismF with military force. Sure you can kill terrorists, but in doing so you@ make more terrorists. Sons, daughters, friends, neighbours, evenE observers who didn't feel strongly enough about the issue before theyr? saw the bombs land. And remember, the minimum requirement for avD terrorist attack is one person with enough hate. To truly end it, weF have to learn understand each other and find a way to live in the same world in peace.e  D I know that's an unpopular view right now, but it's mine and I'm not ashamed of it.   Shane7    ( From: David Froble (davef@tsoft-inc.com)@ Subject: Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at
 www.tru64.orgrG Newsgroups: comp.org.decus, vmsnet.alpha, comp.sys.intel, comp.sys.dec,h comp.os.vms  Date: 2001-11-16 20:22:55 PSTi   Brian Tillman wrote:  C >> If the USA continues to refuse to reveal its evidence because ittD  >> is so secret/national security, then that evidence is moot since<  >> it won't be presented in a court of law and without hard  >> evidence, they will have to,  >>  > sete  > >> Bin Laden free.  >>- >-? > If he gets tried, it will be in a military court where secretfA  > evidence can be presented and yet not made know to the general/
  > public.  D Another brilliant idea, (I'm just full of them).  Let the Israilies D kidnap him from us.  I'm sure that they will know how to handle the 5 founder and head of an international terrorist group.e  E Ok, try to convince me that the founder and head of an international 1D terrorist group even deserves the courtesy of a trial.  Show me the ; trial that condemned all the victums on September 11, 2001.    Dave   -- -4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:44:31 -0600 (CST)0 From: sms@antinode.orgN Subject: Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org) Message-ID: <01112121443134@antinode.org>o  $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>  0 > Yes, I believe Bin Laden is responsible, [...]  H    So, now that we've solved the terrorism problem, who will explain theE status of Open3D on Tru64 for the Elsa Gloria (4D10T, PBXGK-BB) card?>  B    Of course it's off topic, but apparently many of the people whoG populate this group have no one else with whom to discuss world affairstE (or anything else), so why should we impose our petty restrictions onr
 them (or me)?t  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)sC    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)rG    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)-9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)1   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:00:55 GMTl3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>?N Subject: Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org/ Message-ID: <3BFC85DD.8FF48623@cableinet.co.uk>s   Shane Smith wrote:  gF > I've also seen a few comments about it being an "unprovoked attack".J > Nothing like this is ever unprovoked, from the culprit's perspective. ItG > may be a warped and twisted justification from our point of view, buteH > it's there. Until more people realise that, start trying to understandF > and work with it, this will never be over. You can't smash terrorismH > with military force. Sure you can kill terrorists, but in doing so youB > make more terrorists. Sons, daughters, friends, neighbours, evenG > observers who didn't feel strongly enough about the issue before theycA > saw the bombs land. And remember, the minimum requirement for anF > terrorist attack is one person with enough hate. To truly end it, weH > have to learn understand each other and find a way to live in the same > world in peace.n > F > I know that's an unpopular view right now, but it's mine and I'm not > ashamed of it.    well said, Shane,   G btw interesting documentary about the Lebanese/US sparring in the 80's,RH made in 1993, was rebroadcast on the beeb the other night. I'd forgotten about a loti of that.   -- s Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  a  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of  ! my employers or service provider.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:55:44 GMTo7 From: trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com (Trevor Osatchuk)I$ Subject: system performance question5 Message-ID: <3bfc4955.116452800@news.telusplanet.net>h  C I am a vms newbie and I have been given the task of discovering the @ reason for the dimished performance of a OpenVMS 6.2 Alpha.  The@ degradation of performance has increased over a couple of years,@ probably due to increased load.  I have already used the analyzeA program to see if there were any hardware problems and that looksUE clean.  I am going through the Performance Management manual and cameeF across a reference to Autogen.  It states, in a relevant context, thatE "the first an most important action is to execute the AUTOGEN command= procedure."=  E In the Autogen help it also states that a good time to run it is wheni" "work load changes signifigantly."  E Now, as I understand it, this script will automagically determine thecE best settings for any configurable system parameters.  I fully expect B to have to delve a little deeper than page 10 in chapter 1 of thisE manual in order to complete my task, but this seems like a reasonableR% place to start.  My question is this:o  D If Autogen happens to mess up the system, i.e. decrease performance,A is there a mechanism short of a full backup that will allow me toy@ revert to the previous configuration.  This is a client site andD though I am not a doctor, I would still like to adhere to the 'cause no harm' axiom.    Any input appreciated!   Trevor Osatchuki  ? Any man whose errors take ten years to correct is quite a man.  ?           - J. Robert Oppenheimer, speaking of Albert Einstein t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:40:09 -0700a+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> ( Subject: Re: system performance question' Message-ID: <3BFC5779.2050902@mmaz.com>a   Trevor Osatchuk wrote:   >I am a vms newbie...e >tG >If Autogen happens to mess up the system, i.e. decrease performance...r >e
 Hi Trevor,  F as a 'newbie' autogen is probably the last place you should start and G you should certainly have a better understanding of the system and VMS eH before using it.  As a general rule, it will not cause you grief but it F has been known to screw up system parameters beyond belief making VMS 	 unusable.I  H For starters, and being over simplistic, you need to evaluate the three I core resources of your system, the CPU, Memory, and I/O all of which can uH be done in a rudimentary form with the MONITOR command presuming you do ; not have any of the layered product performance monitors.     H When your system is slow, I would suggest that you issue a command like:4     MONITOR SYS/ALL, PROC/TOPCPU, DISK/ITEM=ALL,PAGE  H This command line will gather and present data on the current, minimum, H maximum, and average values for your three critical resources.  Knowing D the type of systems and its configuration would be helpful, but for F example, if you see on the "PAGE MANAGEMENT STATISTICS" and high PAGE G FAULT RATE, or worse yet, any SYSTEM FAULT RATE, you should start here oE because having too limit memory or memory incorrectly allocation can  G cause a serious resource drain on both your CPU and DISK I/O resources.   F If during your slow downs, the paging statistics are not bad, look at E the "SYSTEM STATISTICS" and notice the amount of  IDLE TIME that you rF have, if ZERO, then you are CPU bound.  The " TOP CPU TIME PROCESSES" G screen will show you who may be dominating the system and if it is one  B person in particular, confirm that they do not have elevated user I privileges that may be permitting them self to raise their base priority aH which would give them a scheduling preference which would slow everyone D else down.  Presuming that this user is not abusing any privileges, G perhaps their application is not suited for timesharing and you should  I consider moving them off to another system or lowering their priority if oE it is not time-critical.  If the CPU load is evening spread across a  < fair number of users, then your CPU may simply be too small.  C Lastly, if neither your memory or cpu screens indicate a potential .C bottom neck because of exhausted resources, look at your "DISK I/O 1F STATISTICS" and in particular, the "I/O Request Queue Length" screen. D  If you see queue lengths that are much past 0.5, this could be the G problem and you may need a faster I/O subsystem or to redistribute the bG I/O's across multiple drives.  If the I/O queue is low, then return to 1I the "SYSTEM STATISTICS" and notice the "Interrupt Stack" values, if this iC is much higher than 10-15%, you may have a hardware device that is oH either ancient or failing.  For example, old NIC's or ansych. ports can H be extremely inefficient when servicing I/O and can bring a smaller VMS C system to its knees.  Likewise, a failing piece of hardware may be iG creating unnecessary interrupts to be serviced, and you should be able  ) to use the error log to narrow that down.r  D Without more details about your configuration, apps, and user base, I there are not too many more details that can be provided but look to the h@ VMS documentation, there are some excellent documents regarding  performance tuning...-   Regards,   Barry-     -- e  @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:09:54 -0500n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e( Subject: Re: system performance question, Message-ID: <3BFC5E68.F1248997@videotron.ca>   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:G > as a 'newbie' autogen is probably the last place you should start andiH > you should certainly have a better understanding of the system and VMS > before using it.  H But there are ways to use Autogen so that it becomes a tool that doesn't change your system.-  N If you run autogen such that it stops before the SETPARAMS phase, it will justM generate the AGEN$REPORT file which you can consult to see what AUTOGEN would6 be doing to your system.  , One big gotcha if you are new to the system:  J Autogen takes setting from different files and then runs SYSGEN to set theK actual system parameters. It is also possible to manually use SYSGEN to seteM parameters. If the previous system manager used SYSGEN to set some parametersBL but didn't edit MODPARAMS.DAT to reflect that change, then the next time youT run AUTOGEN, the old MODPARAMS.DAT parameters may zap some of the SYSGEN parameters.  8 @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN HELP will give you some information.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:37:10 -0500r' From: Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org>e( Subject: Re: system performance question, Message-ID: <3BFC8F06.7F44CEEE@ui.urban.org>   Trevor Osatchuk wrote: [snip]G > In the Autogen help it also states that a good time to run it is wheno$ > "work load changes signifigantly." [snip]F > If Autogen happens to mess up the system, i.e. decrease performance,C > is there a mechanism short of a full backup that will allow me to-B > revert to the previous configuration.  This is a client site andF > though I am not a doctor, I would still like to adhere to the 'cause > no harm' axiom.   F There are certain risks, but if you're prepared Autogen can be more ofB a help than a problem, and you can stick to the "first do no harm"
 principle.  D Risk #1 and what to do about it: SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT. This file? is one of your main inputs to Autogen, where you'd set your own > site-specific constraints on Autogen's activities -- minimums,D hard-coded settings, etc. If your MODPARAMS is terribly out of date,B it could have settings that no longer apply (for example setting aC page file size way low compared to current needs), or it might omit @ settings you need (such as application requirements for selected; parameters). You should find out what you can using producto> installation guides and the like about settings you'll need inC MODPARAMS. You can also test Autogen before you apply anything; seet below.  @ Risk #2: feedback (or not). Autogen can base its calculations onB system feedback data, or not. If you've been running one way for aC while, then suddenly switch to the other way, you can get some VERYeD different results. For example, parameters affected by feedback dataF might suddenly acquire vastly different values if you tell Autogen notE to use feedback data. The solution is to pick one approach and use ite= consistently. Personally, I use feedback data, constrained byi MODPARAMS as required.    To do a test run, you might try:) $ @sys$update:autogen savparams testfilesh> This gathers feedback data from the live system, reads in yourD MODPARAMS, and runs through the calculations -- without changing any> system parameters. Possible problem: Your SYCONFIG.COM will beD executed during the GETDATA phase, so make sure it's not going to do* anything undesirable when you run Autogen.  E After doing the above, inspect sys$system:agen$params.report, and seeuE if you find anything that needs to change. If so, you can put furthern7 constraints into MODPARAMS and re-run Autogen as above.e  E After you're happy with the results, you can apply the changes using:a) $ @sys$update:autogen genparams setparams E And then reboot at your next convenience. Most of the changes made bya7 Autogen won't really take effect until the next reboot.+  B If after you apply the parameters (that's the setparams phase) andC reboot, you decide that Autogen has made things worse, you can rolle? back. The setparams phase saves the current state of the systemoD parameters in sys$system:alphavmssys.old. You can restore from thereB if everything goes to worms. One catch: Those are only your SYSGEND parameters. If you need to undo Autogen's changes to page, swap, and@ dump files, you should (before you apply changes) get a detailedD picture of what you have, so you can recreate it later if you decide you need to.  A BUT, even though Autogen (with feedback) can help you stay out of @ trouble with certain SYSGEN parameters, it's not really a systemD tuner. I wouldn't expect it to slow down the system -- unless you'veC got some highly ill-advised settings in MODPARAMS -- and I wouldn't 4 expect it to speed up the system drastically either.  @ What you really need to do is to assess whether expectations areF realistic, and decide where your bottlenecks are. Often, system tuningB is only going to buy you small improvements, unless the system wasE badly mistuned in the first place. Sometimes, the real problem is theo= application, the user's approach, or the user's expectations.s   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)o' Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/)i. ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2001 12:08:14 -0800! From: soterro@yahoo.com (Soterro)  Subject: SYSTEM-F-NOLINKSs= Message-ID: <d5440555.0111211208.1c32d421@posting.google.com>d   Hello,  C When I try to start a server program, I get the known message aboutt' maximum network logical links exceeded:r %SYSTEM-F-NOLINKSa  E That wouldn't be very bad by itself, I can start NCP and SET EXECUTOR C MAXIMUM LINKS something. Actually when I checked the current value,'@ (SHOW EXECUTOR CHAR) the value was printed as 0. I find it quiteC weird, as most of the values printed with this command are 0 (STATE  appears to be ON nevertheless)B When I try to set, the command apparently succeeds, but absolutelyC nothing happens with the volatile or saved databases. SHOW and LISTeF give both the same 0 value. I noticed then that everything I do in NCP is ignored, even STATE ON/OFF.  F I checked the privileges, they seem to be already all that I could setE through SET PROC/PRIV or AUTHORIZE, all but the DETACHED privilege. InF get no complain anyway when trying to do something about it. It simplyC doesn't do anything, so I cannot get this DETACHED privilege, whichtE the documentation says is essential for restarting the net system and 2 probably also for modifying what I want to modify.  F I also wonder, why do I have to dig into DECnet while the program usesD TCPIP (runs on Alpha VMS 7.2). Are these networks somehow internallyD mixed? In TCPIP configuration I didn't see any parameter pointing to network links limits...f   Any hints about this?S   Thanks a lot (again and again) Sorin Costea   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:24:40 -0000l; From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@computershare.co.uk>i Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-NOLINKSIB Message-ID: <1006374274.24580.0.nnrp-12.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>  K Do you have an active decnet license? If you are using two adapters, do yout have a routing license?o   -- David McKenzie Charon Consulting (Australia)t( david.mckenzie@mig.spitfire0.demon.co.uk   (But who wants a Mig?)   !t. "Soterro" <soterro@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:d5440555.0111211208.1c32d421@posting.google.com...e > Hello, >iE > When I try to start a server program, I get the known message aboute) > maximum network logical links exceeded:  > %SYSTEM-F-NOLINKSl >hG > That wouldn't be very bad by itself, I can start NCP and SET EXECUTORcE > MAXIMUM LINKS something. Actually when I checked the current value,rB > (SHOW EXECUTOR CHAR) the value was printed as 0. I find it quiteE > weird, as most of the values printed with this command are 0 (STATEi  > appears to be ON nevertheless)D > When I try to set, the command apparently succeeds, but absolutelyE > nothing happens with the volatile or saved databases. SHOW and LIST H > give both the same 0 value. I noticed then that everything I do in NCP  > is ignored, even STATE ON/OFF. >4H > I checked the privileges, they seem to be already all that I could setG > through SET PROC/PRIV or AUTHORIZE, all but the DETACHED privilege. I3H > get no complain anyway when trying to do something about it. It simplyE > doesn't do anything, so I cannot get this DETACHED privilege, whichtG > the documentation says is essential for restarting the net system and 4 > probably also for modifying what I want to modify. > H > I also wonder, why do I have to dig into DECnet while the program usesF > TCPIP (runs on Alpha VMS 7.2). Are these networks somehow internallyF > mixed? In TCPIP configuration I didn't see any parameter pointing to > network links limits...- >- > Any hints about this?- >-  > Thanks a lot (again and again) > Sorin Costea   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 04:24:51 GMT-- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>1 Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS * Message-ID: <3BFC84DB.6070809@qsl.network>   Soterro wrote:    E > When I try to start a server program, I get the known message about1) > maximum network logical links exceeded:e > %SYSTEM-F-NOLINKSk    G Some more details are needed.  Ok, OpenVMS 7.2, what version of TCP/IP 4 is involved?  @ Now what commands are you using to start up this server program?  I Are you expecting the TCP/IP Auxiliary server to to start it up, or does h( it run detached waiting for connections?  H > I also wonder, why do I have to dig into DECnet while the program usesF > TCPIP (runs on Alpha VMS 7.2). Are these networks somehow internallyF > mixed? In TCPIP configuration I didn't see any parameter pointing to > network links limits...     I Normally you use TCPIP configuration commands for TCP/IP only and DECNET e for DECNET only.E But since you say you always get the SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS when you first  F start up the server program, I would suspect that you are not running ? out of links, and would suspect that what you have is either a nG programming problem, or a problem in how you configured the startup of d
 your service.     G > That wouldn't be very bad by itself, I can start NCP and SET EXECUTORpE > MAXIMUM LINKS something. Actually when I checked the current value, B > (SHOW EXECUTOR CHAR) the value was printed as 0. I find it quiteE > weird, as most of the values printed with this command are 0 (STATEh  > appears to be ON nevertheless)D > When I try to set, the command apparently succeeds, but absolutelyE > nothing happens with the volatile or saved databases. SHOW and LISToH > give both the same 0 value. I noticed then that everything I do in NCP  > is ignored, even STATE ON/OFF.    ? Is DECNET even running?  If not, the commands would be ignored.e    aH > I checked the privileges, they seem to be already all that I could setG > through SET PROC/PRIV or AUTHORIZE, all but the DETACHED privilege. InH > get no complain anyway when trying to do something about it. It simplyE > doesn't do anything, so I cannot get this DETACHED privilege, whichrG > the documentation says is essential for restarting the net system ande4 > probably also for modifying what I want to modify.    G DETACHED privilege is now known as IMPERSONATE.  It is needed to run a tF detached process under a different UIC than the one that is launching D it.  Or for the detached program to launch another detached program  under a different UIC.  H A Server program does not necessarilly need to have enhanced privileges.   >  > Any hints about this?,    B Look in TCPIP$EXAMPLES: for a simple Server program and client to  practice with.    a -John    wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlye   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Nov 2001 20:56:39 GMT- From: forkosh@panix1.panix.com (John Forkosh)c2 Subject: Re: telnet very slow from pc/linux to vms) Message-ID: <9th4e7$lh8$1@news.panix.com>e  H Simon Clubley (simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP) wrote:R : On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:46:45 +0100, in article <3BFB5BE5.6030605@volkswagen.de>, : Karl Rohwedder wrote:  : >t< : >There was a bug in TCPIP V5.0 in TELNET, thats looks like? : >your problem, solution was to use 5.0A, better use 5.1-Eco3,o : >which is the newest.   G : On Linux, I have had success working around this by setting TERM to a-H : recognised (by VMS) DEC terminal name before the telnet. I am guessingI : that a echo $TERM on your Linux system will show that it's not a normals : DEC terminal name.  6 Thanks, Simon.  What a wonderful kludge!  Works great!5 As you surmised, echo $TERM displays linux, so I justt9 entered TERM=vt100 before telnet.  (I guess this explains 6 my weird observation that telnetting from vms-->pc and9 then back from pc-->vms works, since echo $TERM from thatn* "intermediate" pc session displays vt420.)9      Of course, I'd still like to upgrade, but I couldn't 7 figure out what to download or buy from either montagarf5 or compaq sites.  What I have is the montagar openvmsr: hobbyist vax cdrom (dfw003 copyright 1999), which was easy4 enough to order.  Could you tell me what else to get( and where to get it from?  Thanks again, John (forkosh@panix.com)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:24:41 -0600 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>h2 Subject: RE: telnet very slow from pc/linux to vmsL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF1170DEBE@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>  H You should also note that even with the telnet problem, RLogin will work fine. (for me, anyway)   Regards,   Chrism  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developerf Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  '   T   > -----Original Message-----B > From: forkosh@panix1.panix.com [mailto:forkosh@panix1.panix.com]  8 > Thanks, Simon.  What a wonderful kludge!  Works great!7 > As you surmised, echo $TERM displays linux, so I juste; > entered TERM=vt100 before telnet.  (I guess this explainsI8 > my weird observation that telnetting from vms-->pc and; > then back from pc-->vms works, since echo $TERM from thatS, > "intermediate" pc session displays vt420.); >      Of course, I'd still like to upgrade, but I couldn't 9 > figure out what to download or buy from either montagare7 > or compaq sites.  What I have is the montagar openvmsc< > hobbyist vax cdrom (dfw003 copyright 1999), which was easy6 > enough to order.  Could you tell me what else to get* > and where to get it from?  Thanks again,   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 01:51:25 GMTo5 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@REMOVETHISossc.net>t2 Subject: Re: telnet very slow from pc/linux to vms@ Message-ID: <xSYK7.75161$2w.4024188@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  / That's the version with the problem, I believe.p  K The problem is that in TTYPE negotiation if the terminal type being sent byoE the client isn't known by the server, it doesn't stop the negotiation J process properly (it fails to detect when there are no more types to try).H This results in TTYPE negotiation being restarted by the typical client.  I There is a workaround that you can use in the meantime.  Be sure that younF set the terminal type in your client to one of the DEC terminals, i.e.: VT100.  It will stop negotiation and not lead to the loop.   -John   : "John Forkosh" <forkosh@panix1.panix.com> wrote in message# news:9tflig$8b1$1@news.panix.com...e5 > Matt Muggeridge (Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com) wrote:l' > : TCP/IP version can be obtained via:   > :     $ tcpip show version/all- > Everything is version V5.0-9 (13-nov-1998).c > K > : My guess is that you do not have the latest ECOs installed.  I rememberu aoL > : problem where telnet parameter negotiation could get itself into a loop, butm1 > : that has long since been fixed in an ECO kit.  > :oL > : If possible, upgrade to TCP/IP V5.1 ECO-3, or the latest V5.0A ECO, then try " > : your telnet connections again.; > Okay.  I'll hunt around compaq and montagar sites for it,  > and try installing.. > Thanks for suggestion, > John (forkosh@panix.com) >- >-6 > : "John Forkosh" <john@forkosh.com> wrote in messageD > : news:Pine.NEB.4.40.0111210151500.2122-100000@panix2.panix.com...0 > : > Barry Treahy, Jr. (Treahy@mmaz.com) wrote: > : > : John Forkosh wrote:y > : >,< > : > : >They're all interconnected via tcp/ip.  If I telnetA > : > : >from vms-->vms, or vms-->pc (either to linux or to bsd),r! > : > : >then everything is fine.e= > : > : >     But telnetting from pc-->vms chews up _lots_ ofbB > : > : >cpu cycles on the vms side.  It functions fine (as far as? > : > : >I can tell), but way too slow.  Mon sys shows 100% cpue@ > : > : >(on a vs4000/vlc), but no process seems to be using it. > : >lK > : > : There is nothing strange about what you are doing, in fact I telnet  intoK > : > : a VLC system from a PC all the time, as I also do to and from LinuxlG > : > : systems from PC's and other VMS systems.  What you neglected toa statedK > : > : is which TCP/IP stack are you running on VMS as well as on the PC'sn (IL > : > : presume that they are Win9X or newer?) or what the Telnet program is' > : > : that you are using on the PC... D > : >      Unfortunately, I don't know how to precisely answer.  VMSD > : > was installed straight from Montagar 7.2 hobbyist cd (and fromC > : > its [.kits] directory), and configured using tcpip$config.com  > : > as vanilla as possible. D > : >      PC side has no Windows on it at all.  Linux was installedE > : > from a Slackware 4.0 distribution cd, and FreeBSD 3.2 from thatm> > : > cd (both are a year or two old).  I guess that isn't too1 > : > informative.  I'll try to get more details.. > : >sF > : > : Something to look at on the VAX side, are you logging a lot of	 errors on-G > : > : your ethernet port?  Thin-net isn't the greatest to use becauseh damageF > : > : to the dielectric in the cable can cause all sorts of problems between E > : > : two systems, and not between any other system on the segment.  > : >      No errors at all.
 > : > Thanks,h > : > John (forkosh@panix.com) > : >k > : >  >t >  >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 01:52:54 GMTt5 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@REMOVETHISossc.net>s2 Subject: Re: telnet very slow from pc/linux to vms; Message-ID: <WTYK7.10032$YD.903415@news2.aus1.giganews.com>,  I The problem showed up AFTER field test was completed and someone tried tol= connect using an "xterm".  VMS doesn't know about xterm type.e   -Johnu  L "Simon Clubley" <simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP> wrote in8 message news:RwOK7.32831$xS6.55750@www.newsranger.com...0 > On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:46:45 +0100, in article! <3BFB5BE5.6030605@volkswagen.de>,  > Karl Rohwedder wrote:  > >.< > >There was a bug in TCPIP V5.0 in TELNET, thats looks like? > >your problem, solution was to use 5.0A, better use 5.1-Eco3,w > >which is the newest.d >yG > On Linux, I have had success working around this by setting TERM to aeH > recognised (by VMS) DEC terminal name before the telnet. I am guessingI > that a echo $TERM on your Linux system will show that it's not a normali > DEC terminal name. >h > Simon. >  > --B > Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFPK > In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discoveredr a G > truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.r >O   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:57:03 +0100p( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>8 Subject: Re: The DCL minute of the day: show known links- Message-ID: <VA.000004c8.8370b1fb@bluewin.ch>w  < In article <3BFABD29.FCA551E9@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi wrote: > $!+p > $! SHOW_KNOWN_LINKS.COMy     $ if .not. f$priv("bypass")a $ then> $    write sys$output "You need BYPASS to run this procedure."	 $    exita $ endif   R You should not require BYPASS here. Granting the NET$EXAMINE or NET$MANAGE rights  identifiers are sufficient.  ___h
 Paul Sture Switzerlandn   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 04:18:55 GMTu" From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>. Subject: Re: Welcome To Microsoft's IT Academy* Message-ID: <3BFC7D4F.92C4EF5@cumulus.com>   Jerry Leslie wrote:u > , > Patrick Young (P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU) wrote:u > : "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote in message news:<SZhJ7.180819$Lg.8701990@sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com>... N > : > MS has the right idea and I hope their program is a success.  Perhaps itM > : > will grow into real classes on the internals and concepts behind NT fora > : > advanced students. > : >    Jack Peacocko > M > : I'm not sure which drugs you are on, or if you simply need to wake up and( > : "smell the coffee" > F > : M$ are out to take over the "IT industry" they will not rest untilF > : everything that looks as if it "might even" compete is eliminated.2 > : This has been proved over any number of times. > H > : I'm not sure which cartoons you watched as a kid, however M$ are the > : essence of evil. > ) > Another victoory for the Evil Empire...e > 6 >    http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-7936780.html0 >    Deal may put Microsoft at head of the class > ' >    By Michael Kanellos and Joe Wilcox ! >    Staff Writers, CNET News.coml$ >    November 21, 2001, 7:45 a.m. PT > J >   "UPDATE A proposed settlement agreement in a series of antitrust suitsJ >    may not only give Microsoft a fairly inexpensive legal resolution--itD >    may also help the company and its PC allies further erode Apple& >    Computer's position in education. > J >    Under a settlement proposal in a series of private antitrust lawsuitsE >    announced Tuesday, Microsoft agreed to donate approximately $500yB >    million to help bring technology to some of the nation's mostE >    disadvantaged schools. The deal will also allow these schools toeK >    obtain a virtually unlimited supply of Microsoft software for the nextn >    five years. > I >    Those terms could hurt Apple and other software providers, accordingIG >    to analysts and educators. Historically, education has been one ofeK >    Apple's primary markets. And although the company has slipped to No. 2pI >    in kindergarten through grade 12--behind Dell--it still has a largerd( >    installed base than anyone else..."  F I can't believe that the DOJ is letting M$ off the hook and worse yet,C allowing M$ to invest ... yes **invest** in the youth of the schoollH systems that will make new M$ droids that will in the future buy more M$	 products.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:43:31 +0100y0 From: "Philip Lewis" <FerrariTR512m@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: Xetra, on which OS?2 Message-ID: <K1XK7.1257$ii4.18579@news.get2net.dk>  L Well, until a few weeks ago I might have been able to add something.  PhilipJ Helbig hangs out here, he might be able to shed some light (since he is atI ground zero for this system).  Also, I did not see the article, but it isoH possible for Xetra to be unavailable without it being due to VMS.  IIRC,G there is quite a deal of Solaris, NT, Cisco and other stuff between the-. traders and the actual VMS part of the system.   just my 2 cents.   pjl 3 "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in messagei0 news:200111200659.HAA01972@sinet1.fom.fgan.de... > Hello, >.C > today I red in a German newspaper, that here in Germany the stocklD > system Xetra was down for two hours. On which OS runs Xetra? Or isE > Xetra the OS? Was the underlaying OS OpenVMS? If yes, why did it bee > down  for two hours? >   > TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert >r   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2001 16:07:58 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)h$ Subject: Re: You are invited to this3 Message-ID: <bdv+mDokh3xY@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  c In article <t8mANkgp6DsF@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:dr > In article <00A0557A.B8CFFFE8@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:e                                                                                                   ^^^(e                                                                                                   |||oe                                                                                                   |||v  k >> In article <rSxK7.1770$RL6.58594@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> writes:g > K >>>More information and registration see http://www.attunity.com/mail.html.O >>>  >>>u >>  D >> ... and, of course, it will work with Netscape 3.03 on OpenVMS?   > * >    Works with mozilla 0.9.5 on my Alpha.  - And what does that have to do with VAX ?  :-)t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:11:19 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) $ Subject: Re: You are invited to this0 Message-ID: <00A05640.61AFBB57@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <t8mANkgp6DsF@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:pq >In article <00A0557A.B8CFFFE8@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:)k >> In article <rSxK7.1770$RL6.58594@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> writes:l >rK >>>More information and registration see http://www.attunity.com/mail.html.D >>>0 >>>s >> wD >> ... and, of course, it will work with Netscape 3.03 on OpenVMS?   > ) >   Works with mozilla 0.9.5 on my Alpha.  >i  ' Sadly, 0.9.5 DOES NOT WORK ON MY ALPHA.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            tJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.649 ************************ogram usesF > TCPIP (runs on Alpha VMS 7.2). Are these networks somehow internallyF > mixed? In TCPIP configuration I didn't see any parameter pointing to > network links limits...     I Normally y