1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 22 Nov 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 650       Contents:5 ADV:NEW 80GB ATA133 HDD W/ATA133 IDE ROUND CABLE $179  Re: CI limit Re: CI limit Re: CI limit$ Re: DCPS slow by printing LN06-Files Re: DEC Supplied user account? Re: F$GETQUI wildcard bug?? 0 Gartner and IDC say HP will effectively kill DLT4 Re: Gartner and IDC say HP will effectively kill DLT4 Re: Gartner and IDC say HP will effectively kill DLT4 Re: Gartner and IDC say HP will effectively kill DLT4 Re: Gartner and IDC say HP will effectively kill DLT% Gartner hints VMS to be dropped by HP ) Re: Gartner hints VMS to be dropped by HP ) Re: Gartner hints VMS to be dropped by HP ) Re: Gartner hints VMS to be dropped by HP ) Re: Gartner hints VMS to be dropped by HP ) Re: Gartner hints VMS to be dropped by HP ) Re: Gartner hints VMS to be dropped by HP  Re: Hanging DLT command - Re: Intel Itanium versus AMD Hammer (& Alpha) - Re: Intel Itanium versus AMD Hammer (& Alpha) - Re: Intel Itanium versus AMD Hammer (& Alpha)  Re: JAVA 1.3 Slow launch Re: JAVA 1.3 Slow launch Re: Life After Alpha Re: Life After Alpha Re: Life After Alpha Re: Life After Alpha Re: Life After Alpha Re: Life After Alpha Re: Life After Alpha Re: Mail redistribution  Netware client for OpenVMS@ Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)@ Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)@ Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)@ Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)@ Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)@ Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)@ Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)@ Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)	 Pathworks A Re: RMS file structure internals documentation freely available ?  Re: RMS multi-RAB access Re: RMS multi-RAB access9 Re: Solaris: ready for prime time?  Keep your VMS system. E Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org  Re: system performance question  Re: system performance question  Re: system performance question  Re: system performance question  Re: system performance question  Re: SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS Re: SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS Re: SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS Re: SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS) Re: telnet very slow from pc/linux to vms D Terminal emulation quality, was: Re: Installing CC060 on VMS VAX 6.1 Re: Thankful/ Re: The DCL minute of the day: show known links / Re: The DCL minute of the day: show known links  tk70 blinking loud Re: tk70 blinking loud+ Using CMS$LIB to create a list of libraries / Re: Using CMS$LIB to create a list of libraries / Re: Using CMS$LIB to create a list of libraries  Re: Xetra which OS?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:15:59 -0800  From: <sales3@gogotrading.com>> Subject: ADV:NEW 80GB ATA133 HDD W/ATA133 IDE ROUND CABLE $179: Message-ID: <b8d3b01c17381$bc558060$2d813bd8@marketbwjmlo>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  , ------=_NextPart_000_B8D3C_01C1733E.AE324060 Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     <http://www.gogocity.com>H <http://www.gogocity.com/product_details.asp?dept%5Fid=7022&pf%5Fid=CO28 USFLAG>   	 American   Flag 3x5 FeetH <http://www.gogocity.com/product_details.asp?dept%5Fid=7022&pf%5Fid=CO28
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 DY></HTML>  . ------=_NextPart_000_B8D3C_01C1733E.AE324060--   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:02:35 +0800g( From: "Kenneth" <yeungkenneth@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: CI limit/, Message-ID: <9tj75v$1ngk$1@news.net-yan.com>  F How I interpret the data is I have 6 HSJ connect to the same CI, and II capture the KB mapped to each HSJ and add them together as the CI thruput>- from the host. Am I interpret anything wrong?     > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message6 news:cf15391e.0111211756.4bc52bc@posting.google.com...5 > "Kenneth" <yeungkenneth@yahoo.com> wrote in messagea( news:<9tgb0h$3054$1@news.net-yan.com>...J > > I have read the manual in the VMS clustering that the CI thruput limit isL > > 140Mb ( apporx. 17MB), but when I capture the thruput (KB/sec) of the CI2 > > from the DECPS, it always has reach 30MB, why? >>? > CI has two paths of 70 megabits (or about 8.75 MB theoreticalc > bandwidth) each. >rF > I've seen test data indicating that the CIPCA adapter could do aboutG > 14 MB max. (using both paths) for very large I/O transfer sizes (withdC > 4K packets enabled).  For small packets (like lock requests), thesD > CIPCA maxed out at about 6,500 per second to a single remote node. >t# > Do you have multiple CI adapters?3 >tF > Is it possible you're making an error translating from the KB/secondC > that DECps reports to the MB/second values most folks talk about?o >DD > Are you taking the KB Mapped and adding that to the KB TransferredE > value? (That would about double the rate -- I use the higher of then- > two values by itself to avoid duplication.)" >6E > Are you adding in the effect of sequenced messages? (Rule of thumb: H > add about 1/3 of the message/second rate to the KB/second value.)  And> > keep in mind the per-second limit given above, since adapterE > microprocessor performance is the bottleneck for small packets liked > lock requests, not bandwidth.gE > -------------------------------------------------------------------tE > Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | VMS consulting on:/E > Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Internals, Performance, Storage & I/O&   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2001 09:15:02 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)D Subject: Re: CI limits= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0111220915.48bf8af3@posting.google.com>/  ) "Kenneth" <yeungkenneth@yahoo.com> wrote:3H > How I interpret the data is I have 6 HSJ connect to the same CI, and IK > capture the KB mapped to each HSJ and add them together as the CI thruputb/ > from the host. Am I interpret anything wrong?N  F Sounds OK.  But something must be wrong, as it's physically impossibleD for a single CI to really carry 30 megabytes per second.  Are any ofB those 6 HSJ controllers connected to two star couplers, by chance?  F Perhaps you could post a copy of the DECps data you were basing the 308 MB/sec figure on, so we could take a look at it for you?C -------------------------------------------------------------------"C Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | VMS consulting on:/C Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Internals, Performance, Storage & I/Oe   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:44:44 -0000o% From: "POS" <PROSULLIVAN@HOTMAIL.COM>S Subject: Re: CI limitl3 Message-ID: <9tjhfp$ig0$1@plutonium.btinternet.com>T  I The answer is in the question: PSDC 2.1.5. I think you will find that thet< psdc figure is/was a 'derived' figure, like so much of psdc.  D I think that the software vendors are having issues maintaining this product, to put it politely.   regardsP   pos=3 "Kenneth" <yeungkenneth@yahoo.com> wrote in messageg& news:9tgb0h$3054$1@news.net-yan.com...K > I have read the manual in the VMS clustering that the CI thruput limit is3J > 140Mb ( apporx. 17MB), but when I capture the thruput (KB/sec) of the CI0 > from the DECPS, it always has reach 30MB, why? ><3 > I am using VMS7.2-1 and performance advisor 2.15.  >l >s   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:01:48 GMTn- From: Stefan.Bill@soudronic.com (Stefan Bill)n- Subject: Re: DCPS slow by printing LN06-Files3/ Message-ID: <3bfcd9d9.13913877@news.cis.dfn.de>3  1 On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:01:03 -0500, Paul AndersonF# <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> wrote:2    E >> So it must be  a problem with my DCPS-Queue or with DCPS settings.i >3$ >Your DCPS queue is set up properly.  E After reading the SystemManagersGuide from DCPS i fixed the Problem.o  1 $DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE DCPS$queuename_NO_SYNC 13 is the command i needed. And now it's fast.   Thanks to you Paul.a   ragars,= Stefan   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2001 06:16:24 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)f' Subject: Re: DEC Supplied user account?l3 Message-ID: <YVnLSUrsjtdP@eisner.encompasserve.org>F   In article <rdeininger-2111012319310001@user-2ive7a3.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:rK > In article <rVDWCSVDizuQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.nett > (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  C >> A look at the listings kit for [LOGINOUT]VALIDATE.LIS shows that&A >> routine LGI$SEARCHUSER returns -2 (meaning "invalid username")&  >> if the username is "DEFAULT". > ; > So the account is effectively DISUSERed by hard-wiring...f  G Except for those brave souls who decided to do their own authenticationiJ outside LOGINOUT rather than wait for DEQ to provide a callable interface.C But in my experience a lot of those folks don't bother to check thet DISUSER bit either :-(.3   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:28:03 GMTPG From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP>e$ Subject: Re: F$GETQUI wildcard bug??6 Message-ID: <D37L7.34136$xS6.58884@www.newsranger.com>  . On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:28:12 -0000, in article3 <9tgv41$b84$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, Malcolm wrote:p >nA >But, I got it working in the end by putting the queue names in a4M >comma-separated list, then working on the list. Until I run into a situationnK >where the total list of queue names (and commas) exceeds 2,048 characters,i >this should work OK.=  D To get around the 2048 bytes limit, have you considered putting eachF item into it's own variable, with each variable having as part of it's( name a sequentially increasing counter ?  I For example, in order to implement local variables for some recursive DCL" code, I do the following:/   $ save_level = level $ level = level + 1"M $ local_path_'level' = local_path_'save_level' - "]" + "." + local_file + "]"sD $ remote_path_'level' = remote_path_'save_level' + "/" + remote_file $ gosub process_levelR   Simon.   --  @ Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFPK In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discovered aDE truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it./   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:35:38 +0000l% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>e9 Subject: Gartner and IDC say HP will effectively kill DLTt8 Message-ID: <u0vpvtsvbd0j5k9mq8dk60eg8re7sh63ar@4ax.com>  = More evidence of the supposed 'synergies' HP's Carly has beenND detailing to analysts seems to be emerging. In a feature on SuperDLTC vs Ultrium in this week's "Computing" (UK) IDC and Gartner are bothtE quoted as saying that DLT as originally developed by DEC and SuperDLTiF as developed by Quantum will be dead end products after the HP merger.E Supposedly DLT/SuperDLT sales are still mainly through Compaq brandedDA products or related sales. WIth HP a co-developer of Ultrium bothfA Gartner and IDC predict that the new HP will phase out Compaq DLTSE products in favour of Ultrium. Both further predict that Quantum will/A not be able to keep SuperDLT alive without the backing of a majori vendor.a  @ So there we have the final wreckage of yet another DEC developedA technology. First flogged off by Palmer then nailed stone dead by3 Curly's love affair with Carly.   ? I think I'll setup an IT analysis company. Then I can rake in a E fortune by simply inviting Carly and Curly for dinner then repeating,tE for a fee of course,  whatever nonsense they whisper in my ear as "my0
 predictions".e -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:33:34 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>3= Subject: Re: Gartner and IDC say HP will effectively kill DLT=' Message-ID: <3BFD2C47.5A957422@fsi.net>g   Alan Greig wrote:n > ? > More evidence of the supposed 'synergies' HP's Carly has beennF > detailing to analysts seems to be emerging. In a feature on SuperDLTE > vs Ultrium in this week's "Computing" (UK) IDC and Gartner are bothfG > quoted as saying that DLT as originally developed by DEC and SuperDLT H > as developed by Quantum will be dead end products after the HP merger.G > Supposedly DLT/SuperDLT sales are still mainly through Compaq branded3C > products or related sales. WIth HP a co-developer of Ultrium both C > Gartner and IDC predict that the new HP will phase out Compaq DLTpG > products in favour of Ultrium. Both further predict that Quantum will C > not be able to keep SuperDLT alive without the backing of a majorm	 > vendor.. > B > So there we have the final wreckage of yet another DEC developedC > technology. First flogged off by Palmer then nailed stone dead bye! > Curly's love affair with Carly.d  H Curious. I thought DLT was sold to Quantum, and that most new DLT drivesG are rebadged Quantums. I'm probably wrong on one count or both. If not,"@ I don't see this as Carly's decision to make. DLT is an industry" standard at this point, is it not?   -- f David J. DachteraD dba DJE Systems1 http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:45:35 -0500t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>g= Subject: Re: Gartner and IDC say HP will effectively kill DLTg, Message-ID: <3BFD2B9C.48DD158C@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:J > Curious. I thought DLT was sold to Quantum, and that most new DLT drivesI > are rebadged Quantums. I'm probably wrong on one count or both. If not,8B > I don't see this as Carly's decision to make. DLT is an industry$ > standard at this point, is it not?  M But if HP, thinking it will maintain a near monopoly, start to use some other M technology, then they think that they could set the new industry standard. IftJ HP stops using DLT, then  Qantum does lose a big customer. But my guess is> that HP would remain alone and customers would still want DLT.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:24:41 -0000e; From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@computershare.co.uk>E= Subject: Re: Gartner and IDC say HP will effectively kill DLTwB Message-ID: <1006453474.27842.0.nnrp-08.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>  H Absolutely! DLT was sold to Quatum. All DEC ( whoops, Compaq) did was to supply plastic.r  H I seem to remeber that even in HP land there was a time their drive were *actually* DEc drives.    I feel a war story coming on :-)   -- David McKenzie Charon Consulting (Australia)n( david.mckenzie@mig.spitfire0.demon.co.uk   (But who wants a Mig?)   !s: "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3BFD2B9C.48DD158C@videotron.ca... > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:L > > Curious. I thought DLT was sold to Quantum, and that most new DLT drivesK > > are rebadged Quantums. I'm probably wrong on one count or both. If not,rD > > I don't see this as Carly's decision to make. DLT is an industry& > > standard at this point, is it not? >>I > But if HP, thinking it will maintain a near monopoly, start to use some< other/L > technology, then they think that they could set the new industry standard. IfL > HP stops using DLT, then  Qantum does lose a big customer. But my guess is@ > that HP would remain alone and customers would still want DLT.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2001 10:35:39 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)== Subject: Re: Gartner and IDC say HP will effectively kill DLTD, Message-ID: <UPbtFdud$LJd@malvm6.mala.bc.ca>  9 In article <u0vpvtsvbd0j5k9mq8dk60eg8re7sh63ar@4ax.com>, e*    Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:  G > Supposedly DLT/SuperDLT sales are still mainly through Compaq branded/ > products or related sales.  7     Most of our DLT drives are HP branded, the rest arer9 Quantum branded. I don't know how much following SuperDLTA5 has, so it might be logical to kill it in favour of au; different technology - but it seems that the installed base+8 of earlier DLT technologies would make it unadvisable to kill it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:20:36 +0000=% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>e. Subject: Gartner hints VMS to be dropped by HP8 Message-ID: <sjtpvto1co05gtals9coevfve9nev4rbrq@4ax.com>  C I'm guessing Carly's been blabbing to analysts again. If you recallT; about a month ago I pointed out the Aberdeen Group analysis=@ recommending HP drop VMS and Peter Kastner of the Aberdeen Group popped up to say:=  F "As to the root question, I recommend that concerned VMS users look upD their counterparts who own HP 3000's.  From our vantage point, HP isE not giving any more support to its own venerable HP 3000 base than ita; is to the Compaq VMS base.  If enough critical customers ofoA either/both platforms make enough noise and promise to buy enough B computers, then the not unintelligent executives at HP will make a sensible business decision."  B Soon afterwards HP declared HP 3000/MPE EOL and it is plausible to2 assume that Kastner had advance knowledge of this.  E Now Andy Butler, Research Group Director at Gartner is quoted in thisnE week's "Computing" (UK) as saying this action is "a sign of things to B come as the company prepares to merge with Compaq". I suggest that> Carly has already blabbed to Gartner that VMS will go as well.  A So again I suggest all concerned parties who have not yet done sob< contact HP through any official channels they might have (or? otherwise) and point out that they expect HP to honour Compaq's B apparent commitments to VMS, that they see VMS as the best general> purpose operating system on the market and that they intend to@ purchase future systems in line with Peter Kastner's suggestion.  F It is my belief that Carly and the HP board are not aware of what theyE will have in OpenVMS but may just be beginning to see the picture. ItR> is best they too come to the conclusion reluctantly (it seems)@ reached by Compaq that killing VMS would incur far more pain andD financial loss than continuing to port, develop and ****MARKET*****.   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2001 15:55:14 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>32 Subject: Re: Gartner hints VMS to be dropped by HP5 Message-ID: <20011122155514.2698.qmail@gacracker.org>"  ; On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:gD >I'm guessing Carly's been blabbing to analysts again. If you recall< >about a month ago I pointed out the Aberdeen Group analysisA >recommending HP drop VMS and Peter Kastner of the Aberdeen Group< >popped up to say: >RG >"As to the root question, I recommend that concerned VMS users look upgE >their counterparts who own HP 3000's.  From our vantage point, HP is8F >not giving any more support to its own venerable HP 3000 base than it< >is to the Compaq VMS base.  If enough critical customers ofB >either/both platforms make enough noise and promise to buy enoughC >computers, then the not unintelligent executives at HP will make aC >sensible business decision."> >DC >Soon afterwards HP declared HP 3000/MPE EOL and it is plausible toO3 >assume that Kastner had advance knowledge of this.l >=F >Now Andy Butler, Research Group Director at Gartner is quoted in thisF >week's "Computing" (UK) as saying this action is "a sign of things toC >come as the company prepares to merge with Compaq". I suggest thato? >Carly has already blabbed to Gartner that VMS will go as well.T > B >So again I suggest all concerned parties who have not yet done so= >contact HP through any official channels they might have (oro@ >otherwise) and point out that they expect HP to honour Compaq'sC >apparent commitments to VMS, that they see VMS as the best general-? >purpose operating system on the market and that they intend toyA >purchase future systems in line with Peter Kastner's suggestion.$ >kG >It is my belief that Carly and the HP board are not aware of what theytF >will have in OpenVMS but may just be beginning to see the picture. It? >is best they too come to the conclusion reluctantly (it seems)wA >reached by Compaq that killing VMS would incur far more pain andmE >financial loss than continuing to port, develop and ****MARKET*****.e  K Assuming the merger goes ahead I see there being two possible scenarios forn VMS.  H Firstly the merged company is highly likely to continue the stupidity ofG pursuing a PC-centric vision. This means that sooner or later (probably)H sooner) VMS EOL will be set and I hate to think what this newsgroup willK look like. Considering how vocal some pro-VMS people are, I suspect it will.1 only just remain the legal side of death threats.C  E Secondly it will be business as usual. No marketing, no promotion, noIG license price reductions. Companies will continue to view VMS as legacy I with limited lifespan, and plan accordingly. Market share will drop for alJ number of reasons (availabilty of staff & their costs plus availability ofI apps spring to mind). The merged company will continue to milk the highlyrH profitable government, defense and telecoms markets until they can claim9 VMS is suitable to leave as-is. Then no more development.?  D What I would like to see is completely different and I suspect wouldJ require VMS be acquired by a caring owner (any plausible suggestions?). AsB Alan points out, marketing is *critical*. Not just to bring in newJ business, but to make existing clients believe there is support for the OSB by its owners with some commitment to it. In addition the issue ofI available staff must be addressed, this means that VMS must regain a hell-F of a lot of lost ground in the education sector. Projects such as BillJ Gunshannon's mean there are students who have more than just heard of VMS,I but companies want people with at least one year's experience on the OS --% even if they are just out of college.0  I I don't know how to resolve the problem of VMS in education, hell I don't:F even know where I would suggest starting. However, this is as least as= urgent as the issue of marketing. Students go on to become ITnJ decision-makers, they need to be introduced to VMS early on if they are toC become fans of it and choose it over other offerings. A presence inrH education also helps with the number of apps which are available for the OS.b  K Next point has to be the cost of entry-level systems. Small companies go onbK to become big companies, and they'll stick with the system they start with.oH If VMS is too expensive then they won't start with it. Sun will win, andI Sun will have another long-term customer. With the touted margins on VMS,?C surely whoever owns the operating system can afford to re-scale the"4 licensing costs to accomodate entry level customers.  H Of course, these points which Compaq's attention should be drawn to haveF been neglected in the aftermath of the Alphacide. Whilst I was amongstG those disgusted and amazed at such a course of action, I cannot see thei7 decision being reversed without dramatic changes to theT% management/ownership of the Alpha IP.      Doc. -- y6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.neti   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:40:07 -0500K- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>g2 Subject: Re: Gartner hints VMS to be dropped by HP, Message-ID: <3BFD2A55.9B0EE4EB@videotron.ca>   "Doc.Cypher" wrote: J > sooner) VMS EOL will be set and I hate to think what this newsgroup willM > look like. Considering how vocal some pro-VMS people are, I suspect it will 3 > only just remain the legal side of death threats.-  4 At this point in time, I think that there would be :   -I told you so -Finally' -Didn't think they would do it so quickw& -At least now the uncertaintly is over" -I feel for the poor VMS engineers, -Hope that HP/Compaq sink within 2 quarters.  K followed by various questions on how to translate DCL into CLIST or REXX oni* IBM mainframes or Unix scripts on Solaris.  N Since it is pretty well a known fact that Compaq or HP will eventually annouceL the death of VMS, only the timing remains unknown. I don't think anyone willN go ballistic anymore. I, for one, am resigned that this will happen eventually0 so when it happens, it won't be such a big item.  F > What I would like to see is completely different and I suspect wouldI > require VMS be acquired by a caring owner (any plausible suggestions?).j  K How about Samsung ? They could fab the Alpha and sell VMS and get a serious2L entry into enterprise computing. Would that affect government/military sales if VMS becomes foreign owned ?   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:47:18 -0800 (PST) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>2 Subject: Re: Gartner hints VMS to be dropped by HP? Message-ID: <20011122164718.5099.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>F   Dear  ' The world is PC centric ... what means:e  3 For each 1 VMS machine sold, are sold > 100.000 PCso !!!d  3 Of course should be better Compaq dissociate VMS=20t- business - or even Unix - from the HP merger.e  4 VMS, Tru64, StorageWorks, should become a New DEC...  4 But nowadays with the API agreement with EMC, I dont2 doubt StorageWorks being selling to EMC. If Compaq5 sells Tru64 to EMC, they will discontinue it like did_* with DG-UX after Data General acquisition.  6 But VMS have good and excelent high availability, what3 means we can have VMS machines inside Symmetrix for26 Clustering - for example. Imagine EDM ported to VMS as& the best backup server even developed.       Regards    RC=20g           --- "Doc.Cypher"3 <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:r6 > On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> > wrote:1 > >I'm guessing Carly's been blabbing to analysts  > again. If you recall5 > >about a month ago I pointed out the Aberdeen Groupt
 > analysis4 > >recommending HP drop VMS and Peter Kastner of the > Aberdeen Group > >popped up to say: > > - > >"As to the root question, I recommend thata > concerned VMS users look upo2 > >their counterparts who own HP 3000's.  From our > vantage point, HP is6 > >not giving any more support to its own venerable HP > 3000 base than it 1 > >is to the Compaq VMS base.  If enough critical" > customers of6 > >either/both platforms make enough noise and promise > to buy enoughm6 > >computers, then the not unintelligent executives at > HP will make a > >sensible business decision."  > >r5 > >Soon afterwards HP declared HP 3000/MPE EOL and it  > is plausible to-5 > >assume that Kastner had advance knowledge of this.: > > 6 > >Now Andy Butler, Research Group Director at Gartner > is quoted in thisH6 > >week's "Computing" (UK) as saying this action is "a > sign of things to@6 > >come as the company prepares to merge with Compaq". > I suggest that5 > >Carly has already blabbed to Gartner that VMS willu
 > go as well.  > >t4 > >So again I suggest all concerned parties who have > not yet done so 6 > >contact HP through any official channels they might
 > have (or2 > >otherwise) and point out that they expect HP to > honour Compaq'ss4 > >apparent commitments to VMS, that they see VMS as > the best general2 > >purpose operating system on the market and that > they intend to- > >purchase future systems in line with Peterm > Kastner's suggestion.o > > 6 > >It is my belief that Carly and the HP board are not > aware of what they4 > >will have in OpenVMS but may just be beginning to > see the picture. Itl6 > >is best they too come to the conclusion reluctantly > (it seems)5 > >reached by Compaq that killing VMS would incur fari > more pain and 6 > >financial loss than continuing to port, develop and > ****MARKET*****. >=206 > Assuming the merger goes ahead I see there being two > possible scenarios for > VMS. >=200 > Firstly the merged company is highly likely to > continue the stupidity of-6 > pursuing a PC-centric vision. This means that sooner > or later (probably6 > sooner) VMS EOL will be set and I hate to think what > this newsgroup willk6 > look like. Considering how vocal some pro-VMS people > are, I suspect it will3 > only just remain the legal side of death threats.s >=206 > Secondly it will be business as usual. No marketing, > no promotion, no6 > license price reductions. Companies will continue to > view VMS as legacy5 > with limited lifespan, and plan accordingly. MarketS > share will drop for ab1 > number of reasons (availabilty of staff & theirr > costs plus availability of/ > apps spring to mind). The merged company will  > continue to milk the highlyt5 > profitable government, defense and telecoms markets  > until they can claim. > VMS is suitable to leave as-is. Then no more > development. >=206 > What I would like to see is completely different and > I suspect wouldt0 > require VMS be acquired by a caring owner (any > plausible suggestions?). Asf4 > Alan points out, marketing is *critical*. Not just > to bring in newn6 > business, but to make existing clients believe there > is support for the OSD. > by its owners with some commitment to it. In > addition the issue ofm4 > available staff must be addressed, this means that > VMS must regain a hell2 > of a lot of lost ground in the education sector. > Projects such as Bill 4 > Gunshannon's mean there are students who have more > than just heard of VMS,A4 > but companies want people with at least one year's > experience on the OS -' > even if they are just out of college.1 >=203 > I don't know how to resolve the problem of VMS in. > education, hell I don'ta4 > even know where I would suggest starting. However, > this is as least aso5 > urgent as the issue of marketing. Students go on too > become ITs4 > decision-makers, they need to be introduced to VMS > early on if they are tol, > become fans of it and choose it over other > offerings. A presence in4 > education also helps with the number of apps which > are available for thef > OS.i >=20. > Next point has to be the cost of entry-level  > systems. Small companies go on5 > to become big companies, and they'll stick with thet > system they start with. 4 > If VMS is too expensive then they won't start with > it. Sun will win, andd4 > Sun will have another long-term customer. With the > touted margins on VMS,5 > surely whoever owns the operating system can afforda > to re-scale thee6 > licensing costs to accomodate entry level customers. >=202 > Of course, these points which Compaq's attention > should be drawn to haveo3 > been neglected in the aftermath of the Alphacide.  > Whilst I was amongst0 > those disgusted and amazed at such a course of > action, I cannot see the5 > decision being reversed without dramatic changes tow > they' > management/ownership of the Alpha IP.r >=20 >=20 > Doc. > --=20a4 > The bigger the humbug, the better people will like > it.g8 > ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                           =20 >  http://vmsbox.cjb.net >=20     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dt F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilu fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dh  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?E Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month.h# http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1a   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:54:07 -0800 (PST)u. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>2 Subject: Re: Gartner hints VMS to be dropped by HP@ Message-ID: <20011122165407.20348.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com>   VMS outside USA ?=20   I dont believe...r  - American military (NSA/CIA/DIA) are excessivee1 paranoics to permit a secure OS in the hands of at- foreign company. Its why I think there is them2 possibility of it being militarized by Lockeed for example !=202 USA spies their owns allies - what do you think in3 having a "unhackable" operating system in France oru/ Hungary, near the Russian or Chinese  border...u     Regardsd   DC=20 2 --- JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: > "Doc.Cypher" wrote:o3 > > sooner) VMS EOL will be set and I hate to thinke > what this newsgroup will1 > > look like. Considering how vocal some pro-VMSl > people are, I suspect it will-5 > > only just remain the legal side of death threats.l >=206 > At this point in time, I think that there would be : >=20 > -I told you so
 > -Finally) > -Didn't think they would do it so quick'( > -At least now the uncertaintly is over$ > -I feel for the poor VMS engineers. > -Hope that HP/Compaq sink within 2 quarters. >=203 > followed by various questions on how to translaten > DCL into CLIST or REXX on , > IBM mainframes or Unix scripts on Solaris. >=205 > Since it is pretty well a known fact that Compaq ors > HP will eventually annouce6 > the death of VMS, only the timing remains unknown. I > don't think anyone willh4 > go ballistic anymore. I, for one, am resigned that > this will happen eventuallyg2 > so when it happens, it won't be such a big item. >=204 > > What I would like to see is completely different > and I suspect would 2 > > require VMS be acquired by a caring owner (any > plausible suggestions?). >=202 > How about Samsung ? They could fab the Alpha and > sell VMS and get a serious4 > entry into enterprise computing. Would that affect > government/military saleso  > if VMS becomes foreign owned ?     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DhL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dw F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilo fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Do  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?E Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month.n# http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Nov 2001 17:23:26 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)l2 Subject: Re: Gartner hints VMS to be dropped by HP' Message-ID: <9tjcae$mik$1@joe.rice.edu>t  / Fabio Cardoso (fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br) wrote:m : VMS outside USA ?w :d : I dont believe...a  / : American military (NSA/CIA/DIA) are excessive 3 : paranoics to permit a secure OS in the hands of a-/ : foreign company. Its why I think there is the 4 : possibility of it being militarized by Lockeed for : example !j ::  5 Remember that the US Navy has picked Windows 2000 for2 their next nuclear carrier:a  0    http://www.gcn.com/vol19_no27/dod/2868-1.html    Navy carrier to run Win 2000s  4 : USA spies their owns allies - what do you think in5 : having a "unhackable" operating system in France or 1 : Hungary, near the Russian or Chinese  border...e :f  D Read the following two articles and then decide what US government's+ policy is towards its domestic IT industry:g  .    http://www.iie.com/papers/greenspan1001.htm      GLOBALIZATION    by Alan Greenspan, Chairman    Federal Reserve Board7    Speech at the Institute for International Economics'c+    First Annual Stavros S. Niarchos Lecturem    24 October 2001      [ snip ]   ;    "...Nevertheless technological advance and globalization >     distress those who once thrived in industries that were at;     the forefront of technology but which have since becomem      increasingly noncompetitive.      [ snip ]=  =    Rather than inhibiting international competition to assisti:    those displaced by "creative destruction," we should be?    directing our efforts at enhancing job skills and retrainingo;    workers-a process in which the private market is already >    engaged. If necessary, selected income maintenance programs6    can be employed for those over a certain age, where!    retraining is problematic...."v    4    http://www.state.gov/p/sa/rt/index.cfm?docid=4850#    The Future of US-India Relations   +    Robert D. Blackwill, Ambassador to India 7    Remarks to the Indo-American Chamber of Commerce ande    Indo-American Society    Mumbai, India    September 6, 2001  ?    "...Nearly 40 percent of America's Fortune 500 companies nowa6    outsource their software needs to Indian companies.>    Opportunities for our two countries to expand collaboration-    in the knowledge-based sector are vast..."b  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Nov 2001 18:01:43 GMT% From: "Paul Dembry" <pade@trifox.com>I2 Subject: Re: Gartner hints VMS to be dropped by HP0 Message-ID: <9tjei7$soc@dispatch.concentric.net>  K I don't think the federal government will allow OpenVMS to be dropped untiloE 2010 or so.  Too much of the fed runs on OpenVMS.  Now maintenance istI different from enhancements or new releases so we may just end up stayingaH with 7.3 or 7.4 in maintenance mode until then.  On the other hand, someK parts of the military are heavily OpenVMS so I wonder what Carly would lookiD like in combat fatigues if she decides to drop OpenVMS...can you say, "drafted"?  Hah, hah, it was just a thought.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:50:22 +0400h; From: "Anar Babayev \(ENK\)" <Anar.Babayev@enk.ericsson.se>g  Subject: Re: Hanging DLT command0 Message-ID: <9til3k$ilh$1@ronto.lmf.ericsson.se>   Hello,  K It is said to be a SCSI RAID Controller driver's fault. And there should bee a patch for it in 7.2-1H1o   Anyway thanks,   Anar  = "Ren Schelbaum" <rene.schelbaum@datakom.at> wrote in message A news:3bfbb8d7$0$59686$6e365a64@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at...i >aL > "Anar Babayev (ENK)" <Anar.Babayev@enk.ericsson.se> schrieb im Newsbeitrag, > news:9tgc6b$gf9$1@ronto.lmf.ericsson.se... > >  > > Hi,t > >t > > 1. > >  > > sh dev ALEX$MKA300:/full > >bL > > Magtape ALEX$MKA300:, device type TZ89, is online, allocated, deallocate > onL > >     dismount, mounted, file-oriented device, available to cluster, error > > loggingeJ > >     is enabled, controller supports compaction (compaction  disabled). > >r@ > >     Error count                    0    Operations completed > > 834312755 > >     Owner process        "_TNA1095:"    Owner UIC: > > [SYSTEM]4 > >     Owner process ID        2064B8A5    Dev Prot > > S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPLe? > >     Reference count                3    Default buffer size  > > 2048 > >o? > >     Volume label            "DLT   "    Relative volume no.r > > 1o= > >     Record size                    0    Transaction counto > > 4w7 > >     Mount status             Process    Mount countt > > 1 ( > >     ACP process name    "MKA300AACP"2 > >     Density                     TK89    Format
 > > Normal-11eA > >     Host name               "ALEX"    Host type, avail Compaqi AlphaServeri > > ES40	 > > , yes  > >e@ > >   Volume status:  subject to mount verification, odd parity. > >oA > > 2. Only yellow leds are still lit: "In use" and "compression"t > >a > > Regards, > > Anar Babayev > >f > >sA > > "Ren Schelbaum" <rene.schelbaum@datakom.at> wrote in messageeE > > news:3bfbabbb$0$25442$5039e797@newsreader01.highway.telekom.at...h > > >gD > > > "Anar Babayev (ENK)" <Anar.Babayev@enk.ericsson.se> schrieb im
 > Newsbeitrage0 > > > news:9tg99l$eeq$1@ronto.lmf.ericsson.se... > > > > Hello, > > > > I > > > > We couldn't dismount a DLT on OpenVMS 7.21H1.Command just hanged.h > > > >l& > > > > Can anyone suggest what to do? > > > >s > > > > Thanks,- > > > >- > > > > Anar Babayev > > > >, > > > >0 > > >0 > > > Hello! > > >MJ > > > If you issue a "show device/full (tapename)" - is it still allocated to > a  > > > process ?3 > > >.K > > > If you look at the drive - is the yellow (or orange) led still on, or * > > > already the green (operate handle) ? > > >k
 > > > regardsi > > >v
 > > > Ren > > >e > > >e > >u > >  >wJ > From the PID I see that you seem to have a cluster-configuration. Is the. > output the same on all nodes of the cluster? >oJ > Another approach: If you have cntrl-t enabled and issue a cntrl-t on theK > terminal where the dismount is pending - dou you get a response (it mightq/ > well be that your telnet-session is hanging).u >i > Ren >t >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:17:56 +0100i- From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> 6 Subject: Re: Intel Itanium versus AMD Hammer (& Alpha)3 Message-ID: <3BFCC2C4.6E454CAE@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>    Dirk Munk wrote: > G > In the German magazine CT I've read some very interesting stuff abouth > AMD's new Hammer CPU.a > I > As you will know it is a 64 bit successor to the present Athlon series,wG > and it has a excellent 32 bit x86 emulation, contrary to the Itanium.o > 2 > But look at this, expected SPECint 2000 figures: >  > Itanium @ 0.8 GHz -> 380 > Alpha EV7 @ 1.2 GHz -> 800! > AMD Hammer @ 2 GHz -> 1400 (!!)i >  [snip] > + > Maybe we should ask for VMS on Hammer ???-  D I never look at the SPECint 2000 figures. Integer operations are forG toys like games and textprocessing. In the real work one needs floating E point calculations, the real number crunching, So make also a compareyE af the SPECfp 2000. Probably Alpha will be stronger here as it alwaysa$ was. Do you have those numbers too?                 Joukc   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:18:57 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: Intel Itanium versus AMD Hammer (& Alpha)< Message-ID: <Aa5L7.12306$YD.1202270@news2.aus1.giganews.com>  8 Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote in message- news:3BFCC2C4.6E454CAE@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl...e   ...u  F > I never look at the SPECint 2000 figures. Integer operations are for% > toys like games and textprocessing.i  K And most of the code executed on servers, which account for a great deal of  Alpha's revenue.  $  In the real work one needs floatingG > point calculations, the real number crunching, So make also a compare G > af the SPECfp 2000. Probably Alpha will be stronger here as it alwaysg% > was. Do you have those numbers too?t  F Athlon seems to be considerably better at FP than P4 is, and given itsF commodity pricing may already be competition for Alpha.  And Hammer is heavily Athlon-based.   G SPECfp is the *only * area in which Itanium shows any promise at all of L being competitive.  It would be interesting to know how relatively importantL the two measures are (and how their importance compares to other performance2 measurements such as Stream) to major Alpha users.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:38:30 +0100e& From: Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de>6 Subject: Re: Intel Itanium versus AMD Hammer (& Alpha)$ Message-ID: <3BFD1BF6.63DE@c-lab.de>   Bill Todd wrote: > : > Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote in message/ > news:3BFCC2C4.6E454CAE@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl...o >  > ...  > H > > I never look at the SPECint 2000 figures. Integer operations are for' > > toys like games and textprocessing.t > M > And most of the code executed on servers, which account for a great deal oft > Alpha's revenue.  E ... as in the same way I seldomly look at FP performance... As usual,  YMMV.       I > SPECfp is the *only * area in which Itanium shows any promise at all of N > being competitive.  It would be interesting to know how relatively importantN > the two measures are (and how their importance compares to other performance4 > measurements such as Stream) to major Alpha users.  E A few months ago I read a benchmarking article in a German Linux mag,rH comparing an Itanium 800MHz with Athlons (1.3 GHz ?) under Linux (SuSe?)E with gcc and the tuned 'ecc' from Intel. While indeed the test showed D good results in the FP section, everything else was rather lousy. InA fact, using 'ecc' even provided worse results on integer and esp.yC byte-access heavy code, like MySQL ran slower with ecc than gcc. OfiC course, ecc beat gcc in the FP section. Still, with these problems,pC Itanium is not (yet ?) a reasonable solution for those needing higheF integer performance AND large address space, as databases, application servers and the like. D The imbalance of int vs. float performance seriously reminds me (andC probably not only me) to a classical RISC profile: almost on par iniH integer with CISC (i.e. Pentium ??), but better in FP. Therefore, I alsoH expect Itanium to assume a niche position in the near future in HPC thanB in general (server) computing. But, with less competition and wideF support of operating systems in future, it might become 'the safe bet' as SPARC was in the past.      -- i* Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de* Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany, Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 6060658 C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:43:35 +0100h+ From: Jimmi Aakjaer <aakjaer@post7.tele.dk>t! Subject: Re: JAVA 1.3 Slow launchc8 Message-ID: <n8kpvt0m63jmbvienro4igbacem1rrmcph@4ax.com>  F On 21 Nov 2001 12:47:05 -0600, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  g >In article <4m3nvt4k68rhvfog2oae58tpnjin2gln02@4ax.com>, Jimmi Aakjaer <aakjaer@post7.tele.dk> writes:  >> mC >> When i launch java with $java -version it takes about 11 seconds C >> before any kind of prompt, when i launch the old version (1.1.18y2 >> installed with OVMS 7.3) it prompts in no time. >> eG >> I have tried to install all images in sys$commmon:[java$130...] withu >> no improvement. >> l= >> Does anybody have some ideas to improve the performance ??B > F >   Sun and all the porters have announced that the later versions are< >   slower than the earlier versions.  You made a pretty bigJ >   jump from a Java 1.1 (or 1.0) compiler to a Java2 compiler (Java 1.2). > G >   It only takes a second or two on my DEC 3000 M600.  Maybe you don'to; >   have enough RAM to take advantage of the install/share?  >s@ >   What does monitor system show while those 11 seconds elapse?@ >   What kind of time to you see if you try it again right away?  C It takes 11 seconds every time, even if i do it 2 times rigth away.   E I have 128 MB ram in the server and it is a clean 7.3 install with nouB other sw installed than the needed pathces for java 1.3 (pthread & RMS).s  C When i look in mon system - it is generating  pagefaults > 1000 andb* io's about 100 and using about 10% of cpu.     /jimmi   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:24:08 GMTh- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>t! Subject: Re: JAVA 1.3 Slow launch * Message-ID: <3BFD2D74.9040508@qsl.network>   Jimmi Aakjaer wrote:   > h >>In article <4m3nvt4k68rhvfog2oae58tpnjin2gln02@4ax.com>, Jimmi Aakjaer <aakjaer#post7.tele.dk> writes: >>C >>>When i launch java with $java -version it takes about 11 secondseC >>>before any kind of prompt, when i launch the old version (1.1.18h2 >>>installed with OVMS 7.3) it prompts in no time. >>> G >>>I have tried to install all images in sys$commmon:[java$130...] with  >>>no improvement. >>>h= >>>Does anybody have some ideas to improve the performance ??r >>>h > E > It takes 11 seconds every time, even if i do it 2 times rigth away.  > G > I have 128 MB ram in the server and it is a clean 7.3 install with no D > other sw installed than the needed pathces for java 1.3 (pthread & > RMS).  > E > When i look in mon system - it is generating  pagefaults > 1000 andB, > io's about 100 and using about 10% of cpu.    I After JAVA is started, from another process, where nnnnnn is the process _ id of the JAVA process do:  " $show proc/account/quota/id=nnnnnn  D Then also look at the sysuaf quotas for the account, and the SYSGEN  parameter WSMAX.  G The show process command will tell you how much virtual memory you are 0G using and the peak size of your working set.  Your peak working set is j, limited by the higher of WSEXTENT and WSMAX.  E My guess is that you have an account WSEXTENT that is too small, and  G that java is  spending too much time paging.  Also WSMAX must be equal  = to or higher than the account's WSEXTENT or it will limit it.   E Mozilla is requiring me to have a WSMAX and WSEXTENT of greater than n, 150000 pages to give reasonable performance.  G Of course this also means that you must have enough physical memory to rB hold the working set, or you will still have the excessive paging.# More physical memory may be needed.    -John< wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyc   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2001 10:21:20 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>c Subject: Re: Life After Alpha 6 Message-ID: <20011122102120.28884.qmail@gacracker.org>  J On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:   <snip>  M >And on an unrelated note, may all the US denizens of these newsgroups have aeL >safe and tranquil Thanksgiving Day... and may those who hail from elsewhere >have a good Thursday as well!   Just don't eat too much turkey!u     Doc. -- h6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it. ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:29:47 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Life After Alpha ; Message-ID: <%c6L7.1219$682.222006@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>e  J "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message0 news:20011122102120.28884.qmail@gacracker.org...L > On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: >q > <snip> >rH > >And on an unrelated note, may all the US denizens of these newsgroups have aD > >safe and tranquil Thanksgiving Day... and may those who hail from	 elsewheren  > >have a good Thursday as well! >l! > Just don't eat too much turkey!i >o >d > Doc. > --  I Thanks, Doc... but somehow I don't think that'll be a problem for me. YouDK see, I'll be flying from Boston to Dallas today on United Airlines. They noJK longer serve food on their domestic flights that are under 3 1/2 hours, and=* my itinerary includes two 2-hour legs. ;-}   Y'all have a good one,   terry s_   >_   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Nov 2001 13:06:25 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)g Subject: Re: Life After Alpha ' Message-ID: <9tit8h$a0o$1@joe.rice.edu>2  3 Terry C. Shannon (terryshannon@mediaone.net) wrote:r :eN : IBM should never be underestimated. Remember the US trade rag Datamation? ItN : It was sometime in the first half of the nineties that Datamation proclaimed : the death of the mainframe.l :eM : IBM is still selling mainframes and making big bags of money on same. Where  : is Datamation these days?-  6 Some sort of web-zine; www.datamation.com winds up at:  $    http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/'    EarthWeb.com: The IT Industry Portal   * which does have an ad for Oracle clusters.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:18:09 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Life After Alphah; Message-ID: <lW6L7.1225$682.235207@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   6 "Jerry Leslie" <leslie@clio.rice.edu> wrote in message! news:9tit8h$a0o$1@joe.rice.edu...n5 > Terry C. Shannon (terryshannon@mediaone.net) wrote:t > :eA > : IBM should never be underestimated. Remember the US trade ragm Datamation? ItE > : It was sometime in the first half of the nineties that Datamationc
 proclaimed > : the death of the mainframe.s > : I > : IBM is still selling mainframes and making big bags of money on same.  Where  > : is Datamation these days?  >a8 > Some sort of web-zine; www.datamation.com winds up at: >n  % Ashes to ashes, pulp to pixels... ;-}n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:17:17 GMTt1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n Subject: Re: Life After Alphas' Message-ID: <3BFD2875.2AD851A7@fsi.net>u   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > ) > In article <3BF86010.A3A51B83@fsi.net>,d6 >  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > |> Bill Gunshannon wrote:d > |> >K > |> > Well, I doubt we qualify as a "large VMS customer" although our maineK > |> > administrative systems are all Alpha's running VMS and I don't speak.K > |> > officially for the data center, but the last conversation I had with M > |> > the management who did provided the information that they are pursuing O > |> > the likelyhood of going to IBM.  Which is funny, as this was an all BluerM > |> > shop when I got here, converted to VAX/VMS, converted to Alpha/VMS and N > |> > now appears to be about to come full circle.  Of course, if IBM were to > |> > buy Compaq......l > |>? > |> Pure speculation and wishful thinking. No flames please...e > D > Sure, rain on my parade.  Burst my bubble.  Thanks a lot....   :-) > D > |> IBM was making Alphas before... Is there still room in existingH > |> agreements for IBM to revive it, and actually MAKE SOMETHING of it?L > |> Remember: IBM is *NOT* a computer company! IBM is a *MARKETING* company > |> that sells computers. > < > Your joking, right??  Who makes System-390's??  AS-400's??  G I never said they don't *MAKE* computers. On the other hand, they don'tuG make only computers. The point is that R&D, Mfg and Dist. are not their G primary businesses. Their primary business is marketing their products:rE a lesson Compaq would do well to engrain into the very fibre of their. corporate being.  G > And the 390 shows they don't scrap older technology before it's time. C > This is an architecture that has been in constant development for"G > several decades and still maintains backwards compatability with it'sg > ancestors.  H I count myself among those who feel that Alpha should have gone the sameF way. Then again, I count myself among those who feel that OpenVMS-IA32; should have been done a *LONG* time ago, in anticipation ofd
 OpenVMS-IA64.e  I > |>                       Hitherto, "marketing" and "VMS" juxtaposed has.M > |> constituted an oxymoron at both Digital and Compaq. With IBM's marketingiH > |> prowess, IBM+Alpha would add up to a potential Itanic killer, IMHO.. > |> ...and that's even BEFORE we mention VMS! > |>K > |> IBM+Alpha+VMS+Linux = Bye bye, Bill! Bye bye, Intel domination! ...andnH > |> Carly and Curly can go down in flames with their respective sinking > |> ships.g > |>? > |> Pure speculation and wishful thinking. No flames please...i > K > One other strong point about IBM.  They tend not to "burn their bridges".   D Another lesson Compaq would do well to take from - damn near ANYONE! ...not just IBM!  G > They have kept much (most? all?) of their old manufacturing facilitesRH > even through the downtirn as can be seen by a visit to Endicott, NY or > very likely Poughkeepsie.l > A > As for wether or  not VMS/Alpha would be seen as competing withd< > other internal projects and thus a bad thing, remember the; > System34/System36/System38/AS400 which were all available : > simultaneously and were all targeted at the same market.A > I even knew people continued to use the older models, with full A > support long after IBM had stopped selling them in favor of the  > newer models.  > A > One concept I think IBM has never lost site of is the customer.   G Compaq's "vision" of its customer base tends to be a bit myopic. Should H the military ever change its mind about VMS, they may find themselves inG worse shape than many of us who have specialized in VMS over the years.7   -- r David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsg http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/g   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:19:56 GMTc1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>s Subject: Re: Life After Alphaa& Message-ID: <3BFD2916.509C3B8@fsi.net>   Alan Greig wrote:  > H > On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:34:39 -0500, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> > wrote: >  > >Alan Greig wrote: > >a > >eF > >> In fairness I am not sure the speaker really believed some of theE > >> Compaq party line but that was what he had to run with. He quite J > >> clearly wished I would shutup at times. Like it or not decisions haveH > >> been taken and, like the Compaq engineers, he said we would have to > >> "get over it" > >> --a	 > >> Alane > >>f > >Yes, decisions have been made, and the rank and file do as they're told, not what they may believe. > >n > > $ > >But, "get over it" ???? !!!!!!!!! > D > "Get over it" has almost become a motto inside ex DEC Compaq. I've5 > heard these exact three words from several sources.-  H My reply to them would be, "your cash cows, OpenVMS and Alpha are dead -: get over it. File Chapter 9 and be done with it, move on".   -- u David J. Dachterah dba DJE Systems3 http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:20:55 GMTu1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>A Subject: Re: Life After Alphae' Message-ID: <3BFD2951.C0CAFC48@fsi.net>o   Andrew Swallow wrote:  >  > David Froble wrote:i > >0 > > Alan Greig wrote:u > >.G > > > In fairness I am not sure the speaker really believed some of the(F > > > Compaq party line but that was what he had to run with. He quiteK > > > clearly wished I would shutup at times. Like it or not decisions have I > > > been taken and, like the Compaq engineers, he said we would have tol > > > "get over it"e > > > --
 > > > Alan > > >og > > Yes, decisions have been made, and the rank and file do as they're told, not what they may believe.m > >t% > > But, "get over it" ???? !!!!!!!!!- > 9 > No problem.  Your competitors products are both cheaperr
 > and better.    Cheaper? Certainly!>  0 Better? Debatable (please don't, though, okay?).   -- e David J. Dachtera3 dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/C   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2001 10:31:14 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>e  Subject: Re: Mail redistribution6 Message-ID: <20011122103114.29178.qmail@gacracker.org>  E On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood) wrote:aD >One more time.  If this is getting out to the rest of the internet,E >would someone at least reply to this?  This is the third try, but mya >ISP has not been propagating.  K Your message made it to the newsgroup, I've CCed you to make sure you get ao? response. That ought to deal with poor propogation by your ISP.   D >>Is there a piece of software around that can pull email from a POPE >>acount, search the headers and redistribute the mail to various POPtH >>accounts?  I would like to use my OpenVMS Alpha as the server.  I also= >>plan on doing something similiar for the newsgroups I read.S  ) AFAIK no such software exists for VMS :-(-   <snip>  C >>With my curent ISP, I could run my own SMTP server and register aeF >>domain name, but I don't need that much and I am not sure how long I! >>will be sticking with this ISP.3 >>* >>Any ideas on  this would be appreciated.  G You don't need to register a domain, you can use one of the dynamic DNShF services such as cjb.net or dns2go.com. I successfully run my own SMTPI server on my Alpha with a small Perl script to update the IP address on asK regular basis. This copes well with my ADSL line which is not on a fixed IPr? address. This even allows me to run my own http server at home!o     Doc. -- p6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.netv   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:04:11 -0800s+ From: "Mike Scott" <mscott_NOSPAM@axys.com>o# Subject: Netware client for OpenVMSc Message-ID: <3bfd430b@nubby2.>  I Here's a crazy one.  I'm looking for a Netware client that will run on my J OpenVMS 7.1 workstation.  All my research has turned up so far is a freaky9 solution for making a VMS box look like a Netware server.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:16:38 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>sI Subject: Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)e8 Message-ID: <afgpvt0tvsh0enfu7hm4n9ej4b6l9f44vo@4ax.com>  ) On 21 Nov 2001 12:34:57 -0800, Eric Smith ) <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com> wrote:o    K >Now that the designers have moved to Intel, will new Intel microprocessorsiF >be bug-free?  I doubt it, except in the sense that you'll get all the& >bugs at no extra charge ("for free").  E It's the EV7 that has no known showstoppers and these designers stillCF work for Compaq. All the crap engineers (;-) were obviously working on- EV8 and they are the ones Compaq handed over.e -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 07:37:42 -0500p- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>cI Subject: Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)S, Message-ID: <3BFCF195.A0B75731@videotron.ca>   David Froble wrote: ~ > Why, when it comes to Intel and Microsoft, we're suppost to wait for some promised wonder, when everybody else 'has it now'?  N Yes because companies such as Compaq and Digital under Palmer strongly believeM that both Intel and Microsoft are tidal waves that cannot be stopped and thatiH the only way to survive is to follow them instead of being against them.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 07:58:53 -0500t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>sI Subject: Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)k, Message-ID: <3BFCF68A.F388E76C@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:eM > To be fair to Intel, those folks have done a pretty decent job cranking thehJ > clock on their IA32 stuff for the past couple of years... on a MHz basisN > they overtook and blew by Alpha (and everyone else) and haven't looked back.  N But how long did it take Intel to take the 8086 game controller and convert itK to something that gained some respect and eventually overtook Alpha ?  Theya/ were able to evolve a very simple architecture.1  J But IA64 has a lot of heavy baggage with it, and I have to wonder how much( that will hinder progress for that chip.  J If Intel is to rely mostly on process to make a chip run at a faster clockI rate to increase performance, it will cost Intel a hell of a lot of moneytQ whenever their FAB can't keep up and a new even more expensive FAB must be built.   I Compare this with Alpha which was able to achieve much of its performancewL without incredible clock rates. IA64 will turn out quite expensive for Intel6 if it must build new FAB plants to keep up with Power.  L Another serious consideration: with the home PC market going to be saturatedL in a few years, the PC business will consist mostly of replacements. Look atN the current Dell ads on TV with that guy on a sofa telling folks it is time to replace their old PCs.  L In the past, the huge volumes of 8086s made it possible for Intel to pay forL new FABs without much impact on chip prices. But if the volumes of 8086s andJ IA64 remains stable as a replacement market, then Intel may not be able toK spend the megabucks required to improve IA64's performance by improving thet fab process.  M Meanwhile, IBM and formerly Alpha had designed their chips to be less reliantwR on process for performance allowing them to be cost effective under lower volumes.   ------------------------------  ! Date: Thu, 22 Nov 01 11:19:17 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com I Subject: Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha) + Message-ID: <9tiu0v$me9$1@bob.news.rcn.net>r  , In article <3BFCF195.A0B75731@videotron.ca>,1    JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:0 >David Froble wrote:H >> Why, when it comes to Intel and Microsoft, we're suppost to wait for 7 some promised wonder, when everybody else 'has it now'?e >d2 >Yes because companies such as Compaq and Digital 3 >under Palmer strongly believe that both Intel and S: >Microsoft are tidal waves that cannot be stopped and that< >the only way to survive is to follow them instead of being  >against them.  < I don't know anything about Compaq; I do know about Digital.: It wasn't a belief system.  Palmer was a wannabe-Gates; in8 addition, he knew nothing about the business we were in.8 (He thought a KI-10 was a 32-bit machine.)  His marching: orders were about stripping the business; they had nothing< to do with staying in business (that would have taken brains7 and an application of them to do something profitable).f   /BAH    ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.s   ------------------------------  ! Date: Thu, 22 Nov 01 11:21:22 GMTs From: jmfbahciv@aol.comaI Subject: Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)l+ Message-ID: <9tiu4s$me9$2@bob.news.rcn.net>   , In article <3BFCF68A.F388E76C@videotron.ca>,1    JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:: >"Terry C. Shannon" wrote:K >> To be fair to Intel, those folks have done a pretty decent job cranking e the.K >> clock on their IA32 stuff for the past couple of years... on a MHz basisdJ >> they overtook and blew by Alpha (and everyone else) and haven't looked  back.k >vE >But how long did it take Intel to take the 8086 game controller and  
 convert itH >to something that gained some respect and eventually overtook Alpha ?   They0 >were able to evolve a very simple architecture. > K >But IA64 has a lot of heavy baggage with it, and I have to wonder how much ) >that will hinder progress for that chip.e > K >If Intel is to rely mostly on process to make a chip run at a faster clock.J >rate to increase performance, it will cost Intel a hell of a lot of moneyL >whenever their FAB can't keep up and a new even more expensive FAB must be  built. >,J >Compare this with Alpha which was able to achieve much of its performanceH >without incredible clock rates. IA64 will turn out quite expensive for  Intel 7 >if it must build new FAB plants to keep up with Power.h > D >Another serious consideration: with the home PC market going to be 	 saturated K >in a few years, the PC business will consist mostly of replacements. Look a atH >the current Dell ads on TV with that guy on a sofa telling folks it is  time toe >replace their old PCs.g >sJ >In the past, the huge volumes of 8086s made it possible for Intel to pay  foryJ >new FABs without much impact on chip prices. But if the volumes of 8086s  and-K >IA64 remains stable as a replacement market, then Intel may not be able toiI >spend the megabucks required to improve IA64's performance by improving i the0
 >fab process.u > G >Meanwhile, IBM and formerly Alpha had designed their chips to be less n reliantnK >on process for performance allowing them to be cost effective under lower t volumes.  < You guys keep missing the whole fucking point.  The speed of: the machine means NOTHING without an operating system that1 can take advantage of it in _behalf of the user_.t   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:41:05 +0000.% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>oI Subject: Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)e8 Message-ID: <l00qvtsk8te37sao2sodc5gas9lfov5ofp@4ax.com>  , On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 07:58:53 -0500, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:8    J >Compare this with Alpha which was able to achieve much of its performanceM >without incredible clock rates. IA64 will turn out quite expensive for Inteln7 >if it must build new FAB plants to keep up with Power.n  E Although Compaq turn this logic on its head and claim that it will betD too expensive for IBM to build new FAB plants to keep up with Intel.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:22:13 -0700g( From: emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com>I Subject: Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)d+ Message-ID: <3BFD2635.561B567E@ecubics.com>s   David Froble wrote:- > L > >>A large part of IA-64 performance lies in the compiler technology, which; > >>is maturing rapidly. Terry's right - wait for McKinley.  > >>-- > >>Greg Cagle > >>gregc at gregcagle dot com > ~ > Why, when it comes to Intel and Microsoft, we're suppost to wait for some promised wonder, when everybody else 'has it now'?  F Because you have to wait until THEY "invent" it . (VLIW, multitasking, ...)   Happy thanksgiving,>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:26:27 -0700 ( From: emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com>I Subject: Re: Of Bogusity and Benchmarketeering (was Re: Life After Alpha)e+ Message-ID: <3BFD2733.757ABB9F@ecubics.com>t   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:. > M > To be fair to Intel, those folks have done a pretty decent job cranking thetJ > clock on their IA32 stuff for the past couple of years... on a MHz basisN > they overtook and blew by Alpha (and everyone else) and haven't looked back.  E But the x86 came on speed at intels not because the intel guys didn't  have anything else to do.yG There was this small AMD, and they showed them, that it is possible ....  M > How good the IPF architecture will be remains to be seen, but Andy G's boyslD > and girls seem to know what they're doing when it comes to process
 > technology.A  5 And without any competition, how motivated are they ?jH Assuming every CPU compnay/designer commited suicide, because the i64 is	 the best *  thing since the sliced bread ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:20:07 +0100 ) From: "Chatelard" <piper.lyon@wanadoo.fr>u Subject: Pathworks% Message-ID: <9tj55r$n2q$1@wanadoo.fr>    Hi,   H I'm trying to set up  a remote connection to an alpha server running VMS% 7.1-2 Tcp/IP 5.0 and Pathworks V6.0B. G I can't see or map the print and directory shares.I can just log on thee system ( via PPPD).e: Is there any parameters to set up ( multiple interfaces ).- The same PC connected via the lan works fine.o   Thanks   Eric   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:26:41 GMTsG From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP> J Subject: Re: RMS file structure internals documentation freely available ?6 Message-ID: <BrbL7.34376$xS6.59300@www.newsranger.com>  . On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:44:48 +0100, in article4 <VA.000004c6.832e8c0f@bluewin.ch>, Paul Sture wrote: >tO >I did manage to dig up a reference to an RMS-11 Internals manual in old DECUS  P >SIGtapes. How to get hold of them in readable format I don't know (did I see a  >mention of BRU in there?).  >mO >http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/decus/11s1i >01.html       >f  
 Found it. :-)   N Noting that the document at the above URL is from the RSX SIG Spring Symposium2 Collection for 1988, digging around further gives:  g http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/rsx/decus/rsx88a/373310/rmsint2.doci   >___ >Paul Sturet >Switzerland >n   Thanks for the information,,   Simon.   -- k@ Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFPK In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discovered aeE truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2001 06:19:38 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)i! Subject: Re: RMS multi-RAB accessh3 Message-ID: <SAmZKe6w4ZWf@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  X In article <9ti41g$snu@dispatch.concentric.net>, "Paul Dembry" <pade@trifox.com> writes:L > Is there any way for multiple RABs hooked to the same FAB to not lock eachL > other out.  For example FAB is opened w/MSE and all SHRxxx.  RAB1 connectsJ > to FAB and locks a record.  RAB2 in the same process connects to FAB andM > also wants to lock the same record (there is more to it but I have stripped N > it down to the essentials); RAB2 gets an RMS_E_LCK error.  Is there some wayK > that I can tell RMS that these two RABs in the same process can share thep
 > same locks?u  @ There are no record-level locking capabilities available in this> situation that are not available between separate FABs or even> between separate processes.  Aside from slight memory savings,@ FAB-sharing only provides a way to avoid file-level constraints,5 i.e. the file can be opened with no sharing involved.t   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Nov 2001 17:53:54 GMT% From: "Paul Dembry" <pade@trifox.com>i! Subject: Re: RMS multi-RAB accessk0 Message-ID: <9tje3i$sof@dispatch.concentric.net>  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messagee: news:6B0L7.42408$8q.6543818@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... >d0 > Paul Dembry <pade@trifox.com> wrote in message, > news:9ti41g$snu@dispatch.concentric.net...I > > Is there any way for multiple RABs hooked to the same FAB to not lockc eachE > > other out.  For example FAB is opened w/MSE and all SHRxxx.  RAB1  connectsL > > to FAB and locks a record.  RAB2 in the same process connects to FAB andF > > also wants to lock the same record (there is more to it but I have
 > strippedL > > it down to the essentials); RAB2 gets an RMS_E_LCK error.  Is there some > way-I > > that I can tell RMS that these two RABs in the same process can share  thee > > same locks?m >iL > No - because they *can't* share the same locks:  they are both independentK > streams of execution, and if one has the record locked exclusively no onegI > else - in the same process or elsewhere - can have access to it (unless H > they're willing to bypass all locks and take their chances - an option whichiK > I don't know if RMS provides, but it's not the same as 'sharing' a lock).vK Thanks Bill I concluded the same thing after studying the documentation CDslF and trying a few tests.  I have worked out another solution where RAB2F "knows" that it is safe to do a "dirty read", i.e. use the ignore lockJ option, for this record.  We have a SQL engine that makes "flat file" dbmsJ systems look like relational systems and sometimes it gets a bit sticky at the bottom end.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:06:05 -0500 ( From: Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu>B Subject: Re: Solaris: ready for prime time?  Keep your VMS system.A Message-ID: <20011122110010.T5674-100000@server2.cs.scranton.edu>3  " On 21 Nov 2001, Bob Koehler wrote:  N > In article <3BFAD175.FF6@c-lab.de>, Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de> writes: > >0J > > Sounds a little like the case I reported. 'fsck' ran with errors? (NotD > > sure what happens in such a case when UFS with logging is used). > H >    Don't know.  Solaris, like most UNIX, should automatically try fsck5 >    on an unclean mount and not mount if fsck fails.g  F There are ways to force mount an unclean filesystem.  Not a good idea,B but doable, with some strange results. (Like files dis-appearing.)   >IH >    So what do you do if fsck fails?  The sysadmins on this one spent a% >    long time with Sun on the phone.d  L Like I said before, second guessing from the outside is rather difficult.  IJ doubt most VMS admins would try to solve a problem remotely without all of the pertinent information.  M Are they running a third-party filesystem??  How did fsck fail??  What errors  did it report??r  M With the exception of ext2fs filesystems, I have never seen a filesystem that J fsck could not fix that was not because of an underlying hardware failure.  D Worst case, assuming hardware is in fact not bad, newfs and restore.   bill   -- NJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 07:35:35 -0500h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>eN Subject: Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org, Message-ID: <3BFCF116.A1C158C3@videotron.ca>   Shane Smith wrote:J > culprit can't be allowed to walk free either. The punishment has to be aH > true one in the culprit's own terms, as well as satisfying to the restD > of the world community. I don't have a solution for this, I'm just > pointing it out.  I Solution is simple: since he is such a religious fanatic, his punishementlL would force him to break all of his religion's rules and be a really bad guyJ in the eyes of his religion. This way he will die in shame and go to hell.  M Personally, I think that the biggest blow to his ego must be to see how folks0E in Kabul have reverted to their normal lifestyles that include music,EM television and removing full body cover for women the minute that the talibannM left.  This means that he achieved nothing during his stay in Afghanistan andtD did not convince Afghans that his vision of islam was the right one.  L With the official numbers of the WTC horror now down to about 3500, it mightL be possible for Afghanistan to claim that Bin laden killed more afghans thanM he killed americans and that he should be punished in afghanistan with a life-L sentence in a high security prison in solitary confinement. The USA would beJ more than happy to pay for the construction and operation of the prison to ensure he doesn't escape.a  N If he is punished by fellow muslims, it will show that muslims do not tolerateM extremists and throw water at the extremists's fire. But if he is punished byn4 the USA, it will thow fuel at the extremists's fire.   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Nov 2001 01:15 CSTe' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ( Subject: Re: system performance question- Message-ID: <22NOV200101155722@gerg.tamu.edu>   ; trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com (Trevor Osatchuk) writes...eD }I am a vms newbie and I have been given the task of discovering theA }reason for the dimished performance of a OpenVMS 6.2 Alpha.  TheeA }degradation of performance has increased over a couple of years, A }probably due to increased load.  I have already used the analyzevB }program to see if there were any hardware problems and that looksF }clean.  I am going through the Performance Management manual and cameG }across a reference to Autogen.  It states, in a relevant context, thatdF }"the first an most important action is to execute the AUTOGEN command }procedure."  E This leaves out a few potentially vital caveats, like "unless someoneoC has been manually changing system parameters without also adjustinggD the settings in modparams.dat". Fortuantely you can run autogen withD an end phase that is before it actually makes any changes so you can0 review its report without modifying your system.  A I'd also point out that, in addition to increasing workload, suchnD diminishing performance can be, and often is, caused by something asD simple as file fragmentation. If your commonly accessed files are inD hundreds, or thousands, of pieces scattered accros the disk this canE cause performance to drop off considerably. In such a case, adjustingeD system parameters is not the first thing to work on. The "out of theG box" solution to the fragmentation problem is to do a full image backupoE of each affected disk, reinitialize the disk, and restore the backup.iA This can be quite time consuming. The other option is to use someeD defragmenting software, of which there are a variety of choices fromH a variety of vendors (for doing a few files, the freeware utility calledF DFU works fine, but this is not well suited to correcting a largescaleD problem). You could possibly already be licensed to use Compaq's own defragmenter, DFO.    D Anyhow, you should check for file fragmentation before you mess withF system parameters. As always, consult the rather extensive manuals for details.  F }In the Autogen help it also states that a good time to run it is when# }"work load changes signifigantly."O } F }Now, as I understand it, this script will automagically determine theF }best settings for any configurable system parameters.  I fully expectC }to have to delve a little deeper than page 10 in chapter 1 of thisoF }manual in order to complete my task, but this seems like a reasonable& }place to start.  My question is this:  D Note: it doesn't exactly pick the "best" paremeters. Good? Probably.B Best? Only if you are very lucky. It changes settings based on howG they all interrelate (some settings affect what others should be - thisaD is one of the main gains from using autogen, since dealing with thisB manually can be very difficult) and, assuming feedback is used, byE comparing current and peak levels of usage with the starting settingsoE (allowing you to either start with enough resources instead of havingmF to dynamically allocate more, or trimming away excess allocations) andF comparing various percentages with target values (such as cache hits).  G It does work pretty well, but it is not perfect. It is, however, almostt  always better than not using it.  E }If Autogen happens to mess up the system, i.e. decrease performance,sB }is there a mechanism short of a full backup that will allow me toA }revert to the previous configuration.  This is a client site andeE }though I am not a doctor, I would still like to adhere to the 'causee }no harm' axiom.  I Your previous settings are saved when it runs - the old system parametershD file (SYS$SYSTEM:ALPHAVMSSYS.PAR) is renamed to ALPHAVMSSYS.OLD. YouF can revert by renaming the .OLD to .PAR (making sure it is the highestH version numbered .PAR, of course). This gets the parameters, but AUTOGENJ can change some otehr things that this won't fix - like page and swap fileL sizes. It also generates a new SYS$MANAGER:VMSIMAGES.DAT, but this shouldn'tI be a problem (if you really want to, youc an roll it back by deleting thetI new version - the advantages of a filesystemwith version numbers, as longt! as you don't purge the old ones).h   }Any input appreciated!e }  }Trevor Osatchuk  G Recommendation: don't let autogen fiddle with your page and swap files.lF As usage fluctuates, it will sometimes fiddle with them needlessly andI is fond of reducing their sizes if you have set them high for some reasonAH (like preparing for future growth, or even "just in case"). Manage their sizes yourself. To do this, put   
 pagefile=0
 swapfile=0   and perhaps   
 dumpfile=0  & in your SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT file.  G Also, be sure that all changes that have been made to system parameters E are reflected in that MODPARAMS.DAT file. If you don't, those changesoF will not only be wiped out by autogen, but it won't properly take themH into consideration when making it's calculations (which can undo changesC and reduce performance). If changes have been made and not recorded F somewhere you are in a bit of a tight spot: running through the myriadB of system paremeters, comparing current settings with defaults andI modparams.dat levels, and deciding what has been changed but not recordedpI is probably neither pleasant or quickly done (I think there are somewheredE around 300 paremters, most of which you should never touch unless you I really know what you are doing). In such a case you may consider starting G the tuning over from scratch by setting things in modparams.dat as best F you can and just fidlling with modparams.dat and running autogen every! few days until you are satisfied.h  @ You'll be better off if you follow the manual's instructions forI characterizing your system's performance in various areas and identifyingoF the most likely bottleneck(s). Deal with any of those directly and let( the rest take care of itself in autogen.  B As the instructions on the bottle say: lather, rinse, repeat. WhenH you fix one performance bottleneck, something else is likely to suddenly become the bottleneck.   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2001 07:00:16 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)s( Subject: Re: system performance question= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0111220700.2e677b1d@posting.google.com>x  ; trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com (Trevor Osatchuk) writes... E > I am a vms newbie and I have been given the task of discovering the0B > reason for the dimished performance of a OpenVMS 6.2 Alpha.  TheB > degradation of performance has increased over a couple of years,  F You're on the right track in going through the VMS Performance manual.  C In addition to file fragmentation, another thing that can graduallyiF degrade performance over a period of time is directory files that grow/ large over time.  You can check for this using: B     $ DIRECTORY/SIZE/SELECT=SIZE=MINIMUM=128 disk:[000000...]*.dir on each of your disks.C -------------------------------------------------------------------tC Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | VMS consulting on:gC Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Internals, Performance, Storage & I/O2   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:22:18 +0100y= From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com> ( Subject: Re: system performance question) Message-ID: <3BFD182A.33812A26@dummy.com>n  : And use DFU from the VMS freewere CD (or site) to compress6 the *.DIR files after cleaning up any redundant files.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.h   Keith Parris wrote:  > = > trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com (Trevor Osatchuk) writes...aG > > I am a vms newbie and I have been given the task of discovering thelD > > reason for the dimished performance of a OpenVMS 6.2 Alpha.  TheD > > degradation of performance has increased over a couple of years, > H > You're on the right track in going through the VMS Performance manual. > E > In addition to file fragmentation, another thing that can graduallyvH > degrade performance over a period of time is directory files that grow1 > large over time.  You can check for this using:dD >     $ DIRECTORY/SIZE/SELECT=SIZE=MINIMUM=128 disk:[000000...]*.dir > on each of your disks.E > -------------------------------------------------------------------jE > Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | VMS consulting on:tE > Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Internals, Performance, Storage & I/OB   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:54:06 -0800e+ From: "Mike Scott" <mscott_NOSPAM@axys.com>r( Subject: Re: system performance question  Message-ID: <3bfd32a6$1@nubby2.>  H I nice tip, but without a guideline.  Is there a reason for choosing 128L blocks as the breakpoint?  If the answer is "It depends...", then is there aI larger document that could help me with guidelines?  On my system, I haveoH three directories over this limit (449, 1101, and 1905 blocks).  Is this bad?  G p.s. thanks to everyone for continued contributions and support of thisi
 newsgroup!  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0111220700.2e677b1d@posting.google.com...o= > trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com (Trevor Osatchuk) writes...iG > > I am a vms newbie and I have been given the task of discovering the-D > > reason for the dimished performance of a OpenVMS 6.2 Alpha.  TheD > > degradation of performance has increased over a couple of years, >gH > You're on the right track in going through the VMS Performance manual. >iE > In addition to file fragmentation, another thing that can graduallyaH > degrade performance over a period of time is directory files that grow1 > large over time.  You can check for this using:,D >     $ DIRECTORY/SIZE/SELECT=SIZE=MINIMUM=128 disk:[000000...]*.dir > on each of your disks.E > -------------------------------------------------------------------tE > Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | VMS consulting on:aE > Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Internals, Performance, Storage & I/Oa   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:16:58 -0500r- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>d( Subject: Re: system performance question2 Message-ID: <qqaL7.62063$Z2.928824@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  6 "Mike Scott" <mscott_NOSPAM@axys.com> wrote in message news:3bfd32a6$1@nubby2.... >...K > larger document that could help me with guidelines?  On my system, I have J > three directories over this limit (449, 1101, and 1905 blocks).  Is this > bad? >...  J Yes, it is bad, unless you are on 7.3. If you are on 7.3 then do not worry	 about it.h  K Keith's line should have been  $ DIRECTORY/SIZE=ALL/SELECT=SIZE=MINIMUM=128 K disk:[000000...]*.dir since a size of 1/129 is just as bad as 129/129. OnceaJ you get the USED size down to below 128 you need to do a SET FILE/TRUNCATE on the .DIR file.a  I I do not know off-hand where it is documented but up to 7.3 any directory 1 that exceed 128 allocated blocks were not cached.   I If you want to test this. Create a directory and create a lot of files in  it. Something like;5   $ set def DRA4:[TEST.TEST128]d $ set noveri $! $ i = 1: $ j = 1i $ k = 1s $!& $ chars = "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" $ chars_len = f$length(chars)d $! $loop:E $ filename = f$extract(i,1,chars) + f$string(k) + "-" + f$string(j) +n ".tmp.". $ create 'filename $ i = i + 1c  $ if i .gt. chars_len then i = 1 $ j = j + 1h  $ if j .lt. 30000 then goto loop $ j = 1r $ k = k + 1s $ if k .lt. 8 then goto loop  L Then delete all of the files you just created. Use the SET WATCH/CLASS=MAJORL FILE command. Create a file and delete it watching the XQP messages. Then doJ a SET FILE/TRUNCATE on the .DIR and create and delete a file again and see" the reduction in the XQP messages.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:47:25 +0100 = From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@contrastmediagroep.nl>a Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-NOLINKSm5 Message-ID: <3BFCD7BD.5B42EE3F@contrastmediagroep.nl>    Soterro wrote:  G > That wouldn't be very bad by itself, I can start NCP and SET EXECUTOReE > MAXIMUM LINKS something. Actually when I checked the current value, B > (SHOW EXECUTOR CHAR) the value was printed as 0. I find it quiteE > weird, as most of the values printed with this command are 0 (STATEn  > appears to be ON nevertheless)  < Sounds like you are running DECnet-Plus. You need to use theH sys$manager:net$configure utility to change these settings. Use advancedE mode and the choose configure transports. Answer YES to the questionseF about replacing the scripts. You will then be prompted for the maximum number of links.   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2001 09:40:19 -0800! From: soterro@yahoo.com (Soterro)  Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS0= Message-ID: <d5440555.0111220940.485cc6be@posting.google.com>:  G "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@computershare.co.uk> wrote in message 2M > Do you have an active decnet license? If you are using two adapters, do your > have a routing license?1  B The machine is single homed and I have no DecNet license at all onD that machine, since nobody ever thought about using DecNet. Just theE UCX license and a NET-APP-something that might be also related to the  network.  C Do I have to get a DecNet license to be able to run some TCP/IP? On D the other hand the usual network applications are working fine (ftp,D telnet...) it's just this one which refuses to connect. Actually theC server for it runs, just the client cannot connect because of thesehF limited links. OK, maybe it's an application issue and I'm asking hereD the wrong person, but I would appreciate any hint here so at least I know what to ask for.h  C One detail: the SHOW NET/FULL is showing just 4 sockets for tcp/ip:mA telnet server, the application server, and two another sockets (agE dgram and a stream) listening on port 0 (?!). When I telnet in or outr; I can do it with I no problem, the network links are happy.n   Regards, Sorin Costea   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:11:30 GMTl3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>b Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS / Message-ID: <3BFD3F24.1D5B99C9@cableinet.co.uk>(   Soterro wrote: > H > "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@computershare.co.uk> wrote in messageO > > Do you have an active decnet license? If you are using two adapters, do yous > > have a routing license?- > D > The machine is single homed and I have no DecNet license at all onF > that machine, since nobody ever thought about using DecNet. Just theG > UCX license and a NET-APP-something that might be also related to the8
 > network. >    Sorin   C OK, I had guessed from your earlier post that actually you were noth
 interestedH in DECNET really. I guess you have done a $ HELP/MESSAGE NOLINKS and areB following the advice there? Maybe this helpfile should be updated?    E > Do I have to get a DecNet license to be able to run some TCP/IP? Ono   No!   F > the other hand the usual network applications are working fine (ftp,F > telnet...) it's just this one which refuses to connect. Actually theE > server for it runs, just the client cannot connect because of theseoH > limited links. OK, maybe it's an application issue and I'm asking hereF > the wrong person, but I would appreciate any hint here so at least I > know what to ask for.e  H You should look at the system manager manuals for the IP stack which youD are using, for tuning tips. Or, if you have a support contract, openH a support call. Its possible yor system has not been tuned correctly for1 use of IP generally or just for your application.n  H To pursue further here, you need to post the exact context in which the E message is being generated. What application, what IP stack, what VMS C version etc. If its TCP/IP Services, TCPIP>SHOW COMM and TCPIP>SHOWe COMM/MEM might reveal something.t   regards  > E > One detail: the SHOW NET/FULL is showing just 4 sockets for tcp/ip:fC > telnet server, the application server, and two another sockets (aaG > dgram and a stream) listening on port 0 (?!). When I telnet in or outS= > I can do it with I no problem, the network links are happy.-     > 
 > Regards, > Sorin Costea   --   Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  a  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of N! my employers or service provider.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:28:55 -0000b; From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@computershare.co.uk>  Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS B Message-ID: <1006453729.28007.0.nnrp-08.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>  K I am not trying for a rathole here, and maybe I have jumped in late. But iteL seems you are typing decnet commands. Is the actually a TCP/IP problem. SureI as hell, if you don't have an active DECnet (sp:-) ) license you will noteB get any reponse trying to talk DECnet outside the current machine.   Sorry if this is off basem   -- David McKenzie Charon Consulting (Australia)o( david.mckenzie@mig.spitfire0.demon.co.uk   (But who wants a Mig?)   ! . "Soterro" <soterro@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:d5440555.0111220940.485cc6be@posting.google.com....H > "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@computershare.co.uk> wrote in messageK > > Do you have an active decnet license? If you are using two adapters, doo yous > > have a routing license?a >iD > The machine is single homed and I have no DecNet license at all onF > that machine, since nobody ever thought about using DecNet. Just theG > UCX license and a NET-APP-something that might be also related to the 
 > network. >sE > Do I have to get a DecNet license to be able to run some TCP/IP? On F > the other hand the usual network applications are working fine (ftp,F > telnet...) it's just this one which refuses to connect. Actually theE > server for it runs, just the client cannot connect because of theseeH > limited links. OK, maybe it's an application issue and I'm asking hereF > the wrong person, but I would appreciate any hint here so at least I > know what to ask for.v >oE > One detail: the SHOW NET/FULL is showing just 4 sockets for tcp/ip: C > telnet server, the application server, and two another sockets (a G > dgram and a stream) listening on port 0 (?!). When I telnet in or out.= > I can do it with I no problem, the network links are happy.u >s
 > Regards, > Sorin Costea   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:05:49 GMTuG From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP> 2 Subject: Re: telnet very slow from pc/linux to vms6 Message-ID: <18bL7.34366$xS6.59248@www.newsranger.com>  K On 21 Nov 2001 20:56:39 GMT, in article <9th4e7$lh8$1@news.panix.com>, Johne Forkosh wrote: > I >Simon Clubley (simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP) wrote:uH >: On Linux, I have had success working around this by setting TERM to aI >: recognised (by VMS) DEC terminal name before the telnet. I am guessing J >: that a echo $TERM on your Linux system will show that it's not a normal >: DEC terminal name.f >t7 >Thanks, Simon.  What a wonderful kludge!  Works great!f  I You are welcome. If you are interested in finding out why this works, younH may want to read the Telnet RFCs, and in particular, about telnet option negotiation.  $ >What I have is the montagar openvms; >hobbyist vax cdrom (dfw003 copyright 1999), which was easyl5 >enough to order.  Could you tell me what else to geta) >and where to get it from?  Thanks again,e  E This, and it's Alpha counterpart, are the only hobbyist distributions C available, and are the ones that I run at home. Other c.o.v. people F have reported that the various dash release CD's are at a cheap price,E but I have never investigated this, and, at the back of my memory, isvG the thought that they may not contain all the standard layered products   that you get on the normal kits.   >John (forkosh@panix.com)n   Simon.   --  @ Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFPK In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discovered auE truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:05:50 GMTNG From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP>iM Subject: Terminal emulation quality, was: Re: Installing CC060 on VMS VAX 6.1t6 Message-ID: <OK6L7.34123$xS6.58895@www.newsranger.com>  O On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:17:43 -0000, in article <9tg619$ga4@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>,e Richard Brodie wrote:n >p/ >"Soterro" <soterro@yahoo.com> wrote in message 8 >news:d5440555.0111210259.15987f97@posting.google.com... >dG >> Does anybody know how should I set the terminal (or whatever name itsG >> bears, I'm more used to unixes) so some screen-oriented applicationshE >> (like by example tcpip$config, but the help works) will not end upoG >> writing all the screen information over and over on a single line on D >> top of the screen? This happens only when I connect remotely, andD >> after that the screen stays single line so I have to logout/login	 >> again.  >t9 >Make show that SHOW TERMINAL gives a sensible page size.fC >You might also have buggy terminal emulation on the remote system:tE >I seem to recall some compatibility problems that didn't appear withl% >genuine VTs and/or better emulation.u >p  , Which terminal emulator are you using here ?   Personal Experience Department:t  E I have seen very similiar results to the original poster's when usingrH the version of gnome-terminal on Redhat Linux 6.2. Running vttest on theF various emulators available is a very revealing experience; even xterm! itself is not a 100% VT emulator.o  I At times, I have wondered just how long it would take me to write a GPLedo 100% accurate VT emulator...   Simon.   -- c@ Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFPK In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discovered aaE truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:28:44 GMTe1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n Subject: Re: Thankfult' Message-ID: <3BFD2B26.FA06CC5F@fsi.net>h   Sue Skonetski wrote: > [snip]K > FOR TOO MUCH E-MAIL, BECAUSE IT MEANS I HAVE FRIENDS  WHO ARE THINKING OF, > ME.   E I'm thankful you're here. We have so few channels into the Q. You arey the best, IMHO.o   FWIW...l   --   David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/c   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:22:34 +01001, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>8 Subject: Re: The DCL minute of the day: show known links% Message-ID: <3BFCC3DA.4030801@gmx.ch>i   Paul Sture wrote:s  T > You should not require BYPASS here. Granting the NET$EXAMINE or NET$MANAGE rights  > identifiers are sufficient.o > ___, > Paul Sture
 > Switzerland     + Yep. Did not enter into this consideration.n Thanks Paul.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:26:26 +0100p, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>8 Subject: Re: The DCL minute of the day: show known links% Message-ID: <3BFCC4C2.6030807@gmx.ch>:   Paul Sture wrote:e  T > You should not require BYPASS here. Granting the NET$EXAMINE or NET$MANAGE rights  > identifiers are sufficient.m > ___e > Paul Sture
 > Switzerlandg    + Yep. Did not enter into this consideration.m Thanks Paul.   D.   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Nov 2001 10:58:16 GMT From: CR <cr@null.net> Subject: tk70 blinking loud 5 Message-ID: <3bfcda44$0$166$9b622d9e@news.freenet.de>s   Hi,e' I just got a used MV3300. It runs fine.   K Only trouble is the TK70. I feeded a tape and the tape drive is constantly fJ blinking rapidly. Pressing unload brings the orange light to blink slowly @ for some time, until all lights start blinking frequently again.   What's up? Broken?   Many thanks for your help.   --   CR mailto: cr@null.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:57:40 +0000e( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: tk70 blinking loude) Message-ID: <3BFCF644.FC3A6936@127.0.0.1>S  	 CR wrote:m) > I just got a used MV3300. It runs fine.t > L > Only trouble is the TK70. I feeded a tape and the tape drive is constantlyK > blinking rapidly. Pressing unload brings the orange light to blink slowlyiB > for some time, until all lights start blinking frequently again. >  > What's up? Broken?  D Most likely. Seems like a tape jam. Or the leader has come off (even broke).   B OK this is the "do not try this on a live systems covered by field maintenance" section.l  < Remove the drive from your system. (TK70 TK50 quite similar)  F The silver coloured lid covers the take up reel and you may be able toB work out if tape is wound on any significant way, if it is, assumeG you've lost that tape. Remove the screws holding it down to gain accessl
 to that reel.a  H You can try to remove the cart. There is an interlock on one side, thereG is a solenoid near it, you can using fingers, override it and allow thelD handle to operate, slowly withdraw the cartridge. It may be free, inF which case all well and good, if the tape is mangled or inside, tough.G You could use a standard 12v5v0v connector to repeatedly press and even<F manually assist the rewind, you may be lucky and recover the tape, but put it in the suspect pile..  B The tricky bit is the leader, this may be the root of the trouble.H Gently unhook the tags, and I expect you'll find the leader will not sitG on the loading arm inside the drive, you need to gently place the smalleE hole in the leader over the dimple in the loading arm. Best way is tooE slide part of your hand using middle finger inside the drive and pushiF gently in the direction of the arm, it needs to flex a little as it is spring loaded.  D You may have fixed your drive at this point, take the opportunity to@ dust it, gently clean heads with good tape head cleaner, and the! sensors. Replace cover and refit..  G *DO NOT* try to clean any DLT type device above a TK70, the same fixing-H rules apply to TK50's, but TF/TZ85 and above are sealed, so don't do any of the above!!!t  
 Good luck. -- s( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:12:52 -0000m, From: "Bob Knowles" <bob.knowles@compaq.com>4 Subject: Using CMS$LIB to create a list of libraries3 Message-ID: <pk3L7.1861$RL6.59832@news.cpqcorp.net><  J Is this possible? Empirically, it seems that CMS$LIB can only point to oneK library. (I'm happy to RTFM, but which M? I've got by with the help for the 4 past n years, and the help doesn't mention CMS$LIB.)   Thanks   bh   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2001 06:23:08 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 8 Subject: Re: Using CMS$LIB to create a list of libraries3 Message-ID: <NcIwf2blAYS2@eisner.encompasserve.org>2  b In article <pk3L7.1861$RL6.59832@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Bob Knowles" <bob.knowles@compaq.com> writes:L > Is this possible? Empirically, it seems that CMS$LIB can only point to oneM > library. (I'm happy to RTFM, but which M? I've got by with the help for the 6 > past n years, and the help doesn't mention CMS$LIB.)  D The supported interface for manipulating CMS$LIB is explained if you type the command:i   	HELP CMS SET LIBRARY   C From what I see of the results, multiple simultaneous libraries aree fully supported.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:27:31 -0000 / From: Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> 8 Subject: Re: Using CMS$LIB to create a list of libraries/ Message-ID: <tvq2qj7pc5kq37@corp.supernews.com>f  + Bob Knowles <bob.knowles@compaq.com> wrote:t : Is this possible?a   Yes.   $ Define CMS$LIB Dir1,Dir2,...   --   -- Mike Zarlenga   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:33:03 +0100 (MET) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> Subject: Re: Xetra which OS?6 Message-ID: <200111220733.IAA05967@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  H now I knot that Xetra runs on OpenVMS (information from www.silicon.de).G What's happen. They newsletter writer did write, that a network programsF did fail. Also did he write, that this was the second fail in the last* four years. Why did failover not function? Thanks for any information.l   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.650 ************************