1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 05 Oct 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 554       Contents:) Re: Announcing ht://Dig 3.1.5 for OpenVMS  Backup Command option  Re: Backup Command option  Re: Backup Command option  Re: Backup Command option 4 Can I restore system disk shadow set without reboot?8 Re: Can I restore system disk shadow set without reboot?8 Re: Can I restore system disk shadow set without reboot?8 Re: Can I restore system disk shadow set without reboot?8 Re: Can I restore system disk shadow set without reboot? Comments on Compaq presentation # Re: Comments on Compaq presentation # Re: Comments on Compaq presentation # Re: Comments on Compaq presentation # Re: Comments on Compaq presentation # Re: Comments on Compaq presentation # Re: Comments on Compaq presentation # Re: Comments on Compaq presentation # Re: Comments on Compaq presentation # Re: Comments on Compaq presentation # Re: Comments on Compaq presentation E Re: Compaq revenue goes down $1 Billion, warns of loss in 3rd Quarter E Re: Compaq revenue goes down $1 Billion, warns of loss in 3rd Quarter & Re: Compaq Service FTP1 Server Broken?& Re: Compaq Service FTP1 Server Broken?& Re: Compaq Service FTP1 Server Broken?& Re: Compaq Service FTP1 Server Broken?- Re: DLT IV Tapes - How long should they last?  Re: EV7 Status Re: EV7 Status Re: Free VAX 3400 ! Re: Full printer support at last? ! Re: Full printer support at last? 6 Re: Help! OpenVMS 7.3 and COGNOS Powerhouse 7.10.E1???C Re: Itanium and Bi-endianism (was: Re: Ben Rosen the real culprit?)  Itanium and OpenVMS  Re: Itanium and OpenVMS  Lkwset before CMKRNL Re: Lkwset before CMKRNL Re: Lkwset before CMKRNL Re: Lkwset before CMKRNL Re: Lkwset before CMKRNL Re: Lkwset before CMKRNL Re: Lkwset before CMKRNL, Re: Locate Filename containing logical blockN Meta, giga, yadda yadda yadda (was Re: Comments on Compaq        presentation)A Re: Microsoft Addresses Security Fears: Chance To Market VMS/CSWS  Re: Need help with RMS Re: Pathworks on Win2000 Re: Pathworks on Win2000 Re: PGP for OpenVMS?? 
 Printer fonts  Re: Printer fonts : Re: Problem With VMS Backup Save-Set Spanning Tape Volumes Re: pthread_kill for VMS# Re: Searching CDA$READ_ANALYSIS.EXE # Re: UCX FTP over WIN2k VPN problems  RE: VAX 7000's Re: VAX 7000's Re: VAX 7000's Re: VAX 7000's VMS 5.4 supported? Re: VMS 5.4 supported? Re: VMS<->Tru64  X: VMS<->Tru64 Re: X: VMS<->Tru640 Re: [VMS V7.3 Alpha] my first crash since months0 Re: [VMS V7.3 Alpha] my first crash since months0 Re: [VMS V7.3 Alpha] my first crash since months0 Re: [VMS V7.3 Alpha] my first crash since months0 Re: [VMS V7.3 Alpha] my first crash since months0 Re: [VMS V7.3 Alpha] my first crash since months0 Re: [VMS V7.3 Alpha] my first crash since months0 Re: [VMS V7.3 Alpha] my first crash since months  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 08:30:35 +0200< From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>2 Subject: Re: Announcing ht://Dig 3.1.5 for OpenVMS4 Message-ID: <9pjk2j$iteuk$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>  6 I happily announce release 3 of the ht://Dig VMS port.  C Besides a bug fix to make HTDIG's -t option now *really* work, this C is a performance release. I was able to cut *in half* the time that 9 HTDIG.EXE (the indexer) takes! [1]  Hi, Jean-Franois :-)   6 I split the distribution into binaries and data files. They are available at G ftp://ftp.pdv-systeme.de/vms/htdig-3_1_5-vms-rel3.zip (2286 blocks) and B ftp://ftp.pdv-systeme.de/vms/htdig-3_1_5-vms-data.zip (929 blocks)  C The data files haven't changed with respect to the first and second K release, so anyone wo already has one of these will only need the binaries.   F A GNU diff file containing the changes to the first distribution is at= ftp://ftp.pdv-systeme.de/vms/htdig-3_1_5-vms-rel3_source.diff    Enjoy,   Martin   [1] The whole story:G With the help of PCA - again, thanks a lot for the hobbyist program - I H found that HTDIG.EXE spent nearly half its time in a particular fopen().G Looking at the source I found that this class' (WordList) methods open, F write and close the output file every time an entry is added! TrustingD in ODS-2, I changed the code to open the file once and keep it open,
 and voil!  G Besides that, Paul Repacholi sent me the fopen() FAB and RAB options he I used to speed up GZIP (thanks, Paul), but these didn't have a significant D impact in my tests. On the contrary: the Berkeley DB file operationsI actually became slower... Think I'll have to toy around with those a bit.  --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:27:25 -0500* From: "Sundaram P" <sundaramp@hotmail.com> Subject: Backup Command option. Message-ID: <Oblv7.6$RL6.149@news.cpqcorp.net>   Hi, A     I want to create a  backup of  a particular directory and the  subdirectories with in it. I'm using the following comand  2 Backup [.srcdir...]*.* backupfilename.bck/save_set  G But when i restore this backup file on another system using the command   1 backup backupfilename.bck/save_set [.destdirname]   L It creates all the directory structure starting from the root in destdirnameH . I don't want this to happen.In short i want the backup command to workE like the tar utility.i.e the contents of the srcdir should be exactly  replicated in destdir.  = What option should i use to acheive the results that i want ?  Thanks in advance  sundaram   ------------------------------   Date: 05 Oct 2001 16:47:23 GMT' From: "Jim Strehlow" <jims@data911.com> " Subject: Re: Backup Command option0 Message-ID: <9pko6r$f47@dispatch.concentric.net>  ! backup   x.bck /save_set   [*...]  should do the trick for you.   Jim Strehlow, Data911  Alameda, CA   / "Let them do their worst. We will do our best."     5 "Sundaram P" <sundaramp@hotmail.com> wrote in message ( news:Oblv7.6$RL6.149@news.cpqcorp.net... > Hi, C >     I want to create a  backup of  a particular directory and the  > subdirectories with in it.  > I'm using the following comand > 4 > Backup [.srcdir...]*.* backupfilename.bck/save_set > I > But when i restore this backup file on another system using the command  > 3 > backup backupfilename.bck/save_set [.destdirname]  > B > It creates all the directory structure starting from the root in destdirname J > . I don't want this to happen.In short i want the backup command to workG > like the tar utility.i.e the contents of the srcdir should be exactly  > replicated in destdir. > ? > What option should i use to acheive the results that i want ?  > Thanks in advance 
 > sundaram >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2001 11:53:17 -0500 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: Backup Command option3 Message-ID: <TnYSScehwtxe@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <Oblv7.6$RL6.149@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Sundaram P" <sundaramp@hotmail.com> writes:  > Hi, C >     I want to create a  backup of  a particular directory and the  > subdirectories with in it.  > I'm using the following comand > 4 > Backup [.srcdir...]*.* backupfilename.bck/save_set > I > But when i restore this backup file on another system using the command  > 3 > backup backupfilename.bck/save_set [.destdirname]   P   backup backupfilename.bck/save_set/select=[x.y.srcdir...] [.destdirname...]      ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:11:30 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>" Subject: Re: Backup Command option, Message-ID: <9pkpk4$14s0@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  ^ "Sundaram P" <sundaramp@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Oblv7.6$RL6.149@news.cpqcorp.net...  I > But when i restore this backup file on another system using the command  > 3 > backup backupfilename.bck/save_set [.destdirname]  > N > It creates all the directory structure starting from the root in destdirname  K If you use ... it will unwrap under destdirname. You can tune the behaviour 
 with /select.   I backup backupfilename.bck/save_set/select=[.srcname...] [.destdirname...]   	 See also: O http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/6048/6048pro_021.html#restore_tab_bck    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:12:03 +0000  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com= Subject: Can I restore system disk shadow set without reboot? / Message-ID: <00256ADC.004306A5.00@quegw01.btyp>     To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc: L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza  4 Can I restore system disk shadow set without reboot?    C Okay, I know you shouldn't do stuff when you're tired, but I did...   M I had to apply some patches to one of our nodes, I took one device out of the N system disk shadow set, applied the patches on the remaining single member set
 and rebooted.   N Unfortunately I was over-zealous and did the following; set SHADOW_SYS_DISK toM 0, and commented out the shadow set mount command from our startup mount disk A procedure. SHADOW_SYS_DISK is dymanic, so that can be reset to 1.   N So, I have the situation where I have the system up, but no system disk shadow7 set. I can't get a window to reboot for some time so...   M Can I restore the system disk shadow set from this position without a reboot?    Thanks   Steve S      [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beL confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has beenP addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or use this transmission.  L Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee is notH intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received thisF transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.  
 Thank you.  O Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT. Registered 0 in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.  M Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 @ 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 13:28:06 +0200 . From: Frank Heckel <Frank.Heckel@de.bosch.com>A Subject: Re: Can I restore system disk shadow set without reboot? , Message-ID: <3BBD9946.CA33F2A1@de.bosch.com>  ! Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com wrote:  > O > Can I restore the system disk shadow set from this position without a reboot?  >   D Simply mount the second disk to the shadow set. Once you did this itF will be rememberd by the system, so the shadow set is complete after a< reboot without the mount statement in the startup procedure.   > Thanks > 	 > Steve S  >   	 HTH Frank  --  G _______________________________________________________________________   G Die unaufgeforderte Zusendung einer Werbemail an Privatleute verstoesst A gegen 1 UWG und 823 I BGB. Beschluss des LG Berlin vom 2.8.1998  (Az: 16 O 201/98)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:53:41 +0000  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.comA Subject: Re: Can I restore system disk shadow set without reboot? / Message-ID: <00256ADC.0046D4B0.00@quegw01.btyp>   > --0__=KrhzWAS4riAN4P5JyoZLFLL3TnTGcrllg7BqlyTbDWcSjG0a0R9TgCce* Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline   L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    ! Sorry, I DON'T have a shadow set!   N I have a single disk system disk mounted as $5$DKE100, the system was rebooted with SHADOW_SYS_DISK set to 0.  M As I said, even though this is a dynamic parameter, I don't think there's any N point in it being dynamic from the point of view of creating a shadowed system, disk from a starting point of no shadow set.  C Previous to the reboot the system disk was a two-member shadow set.    Cheers   Steve S         B Frank Heckel <Frank.Heckel@de.bosch.com> on 10/05/2001 11:28:06 AM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages) O From:      Frank Heckel <Frank.Heckel@de.bosch.com>, 5 October 2001, 11:28 a.m.   8 Re: Can I restore system disk shadow set without reboot?      > --0__=KrhzWAS4riAN4P5JyoZLFLL3TnTGcrllg7BqlyTbDWcSjG0a0R9TgCce, Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline ! Content-transfer-encoding: base64     L DQpTdGV2ZS5TcGlyZXNAeWVsbGdyb3VwLmNvbSB3cm90ZToNCj4NCj4gQ2FuIEkgcmVzdG9yZSB0L aGUgc3lzdGVtIGRpc2sgc2hhZG93IHNldCBmcm9tIHRoaXMgcG9zaXRpb24gd2l0aG91dCBhIHJlL Ym9vdD8NCj4NCg0KU2ltcGx5IG1vdW50IHRoZSBzZWNvbmQgZGlzayB0byB0aGUgc2hhZG93IHNlL dC4gT25jZSB5b3UgZGlkIHRoaXMgaXQNCndpbGwgYmUgcmVtZW1iZXJkIGJ5IHRoZSBzeXN0ZW0sL IHNvIHRoZSBzaGFkb3cgc2V0IGlzIGNvbXBsZXRlIGFmdGVyIGENCnJlYm9vdCB3aXRob3V0IHRoL ZSBtb3VudCBzdGF0ZW1lbnQgaW4gdGhlIHN0YXJ0dXAgcHJvY2VkdXJlLg0KDQo+IFRoYW5rcw0KL Pg0KPiBTdGV2ZSBTDQo+DQoNCkhUSCBGcmFuaw0KLS0NCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fL X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fDQoNCkRpZSB1L bmF1ZmdlZm9yZGVydGUgWnVzZW5kdW5nIGVpbmVyIFdlcmJlbWFpbCBhbiBQcml2YXRsZXV0ZSB2L ZXJzdG9lc3N0DQpnZWdlbiCnMSBVV0cgdW5kIKc4MjMgSSBCR0IuIEJlc2NobHVzcyBkZXMgTEcg8 QmVybGluIHZvbSAyLjguMTk5OA0KKEF6OiAxNiBPIDIwMS85OCkNCg0K  @ --0__=KrhzWAS4riAN4P5JyoZLFLL3TnTGcrllg7BqlyTbDWcSjG0a0R9TgCce--   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 12:53:07 +0100 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>A Subject: Re: Can I restore system disk shadow set without reboot? 8 Message-ID: <0i7rrtsljauid2r68dlbbg8nc7kqbiv4b9@4ax.com>  0 On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 13:28:06 +0200, Frank Heckel" <Frank.Heckel@de.bosch.com> wrote:  " >Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com wrote: >>  P >> Can I restore the system disk shadow set from this position without a reboot? >>   > E >Simply mount the second disk to the shadow set. Once you did this it G >will be rememberd by the system, so the shadow set is complete after a = >reboot without the mount statement in the startup procedure.   C This is how someone built the shadowed system disk set in the first G place, Steve !  (Although I admit the manual is not exactly specific on  dealing with system disks.)   ? You don't need an explicit MOUNT in the startup (other than for G spreading the news to the cluster if the disk is served) - it's way way H too late to do any good to your booting machine, which has already foundG the shadow set members real early by itself.  How early ?  Look for the E DSAnnn messages during boot - just after the cluster membership stuff $ and long before STARTUP.COM arrives.     	John  --  
 John Laird Yezerski Roper Ltd   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:26:48 +0200 . From: Frank Heckel <Frank.Heckel@de.bosch.com>A Subject: Re: Can I restore system disk shadow set without reboot? , Message-ID: <3BBDA708.60B62BA3@de.bosch.com>  ! Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com wrote:  > # > Sorry, I DON'T have a shadow set!  > P > I have a single disk system disk mounted as $5$DKE100, the system was rebooted  > with SHADOW_SYS_DISK set to 0. > O > As I said, even though this is a dynamic parameter, I don't think there's any P > point in it being dynamic from the point of view of creating a shadowed system. > disk from a starting point of no shadow set. > G If the SYSGEN-Parameter SHADOWING is set, set the SHADOW_SYS_DISK to 1, E save it with 'write active' and create your shadowed system disk just ) like the first time. IMHO this must work.    Frank  --  G _______________________________________________________________________   G Die unaufgeforderte Zusendung einer Werbemail an Privatleute verstoesst A gegen 1 UWG und 823 I BGB. Beschluss des LG Berlin vom 2.8.1998  (Az: 16 O 201/98)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 04:01:02 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ( Subject: Comments on Compaq presentation, Message-ID: <3BBD68AF.8936D2D8@videotron.ca>  K Compaq invoted customers to a presentation in Montreal this pasty thursday.    Some comments:  N I had in my mind going to Compaq's funeral and was not in a cheerful mood. ButJ to my surprise there was a large number of people there (of course, Compaq. employees were numerous and spread everywhere)  M About 650 registered, about 450 showed up. Previously, such events would drawC perhaps 100/150.  ? Protect your investment, simplify solutions. The two big goals.m  ; "Compaq" comes from the 2 words "compatible" and "quality".o    % David Booth, president Compaq Canada.t  G Discusses mobile computing. Ipaq surpassed Palm in revenus (but doesn't ? implicitely mean units shipped since Ipaq sells for much more).   N Unix continues to be the prefered environment for ecommerce with some movement towards Widnows 2000.q  Y Compaq believes that customers have to continue to invest in their legacy infrastructure.e  + Mentions that Tru64 is 4th in the industry.s  K Carly (yes, he called her by that name) agreed to honour Compaq's contracts I with customers. Suggestion that customers should get things on paper now.   ! In the combined entity: (revenus) 0 	33% will be access devices (PCs, Laptops, Ipaq) 	26% will be enterprise systems  	22% will be printing/imaginge 	19% will be servicess  F Correctly, access devices give 48% of revenus, but only 5% of profits.  O Credit Lyonnais example given, but only Alpha was mentioned. No mention of VMS.S    N HP will be the largest consumer of IA64.  Will have power to define standards.G (so if they have that power, why not push VMS as a standard solution ?)a  P Repeated that all contracts will continue to be honoured until their normal end.  I At the time of the merger being finalised, there is commitment to supportiN Compaq products for 5 years. (which would explain why Compaq would not be busyI de-sopporting those products that HP doesn't intend to keep for 5 years).e  K In how presentation, VMS was not mentioned once, not even when pointing out L the Credit Lyonnais example. NSK, Tru64, Windows were, of course, mentioned.  L No mention that Tru64 is dead and not ported to IA64. No mention that VMS is- ported to IA64 (since VMS was ignored fully).i   --------------------  B Next speaker was Phil Hodgson, canadian compaq global services VP.  M Compaq now has 38,000 service professionals. The combined companies will havemM 65,000. So Compaq will contribute about 60% of the support/services business.   I Compaq wants its services offerings to lead hardware sales instead of the  other way around.   P There was a slide showing *some* of the partners. Cabletron shown, but not DPNG.  5 Example of health industry choosing Proliant servers.e  A Again, absolutely no mention of VMS, but other systems mentioned.m   ------------------------  @ Next speaker was Brad Day, from Giga group. (he is an ex Digit).  F The message is that Unix is getting close to where VMS (yes, he didn't pronounce the dreaded "open") 2 and IBM's Paralell Sysplex have given in the past.   Interesting way to put it:Q "For those who remember, ALPHA was the first 64 bit processor over 10 years ago".O  = His presentation still assumed that Tru64 was ported to IA64.d  G VMS still strong in some areas. Compaq has the opportunity to bring VMSs' technologies doen to the Wintel market.c  : Fault tolerance now needed even for wintel office servers.  K He mentioned that Compaq/Digital had moved a lot of engineering from VMS toa+ Unix. Not sure if he meant IP or employees.a   He did call VMS "legacy".   4 Compaq has largest share of Oracle on wintel market.  L He then spoke of the advantages of single system image cluster, a tecnhologyK that is coming to Unix, and mentions that Unix workload management softwaret; (HP side) will greatly help manage wildfire style machines.     H Compaq believes that the world will go to IA64. Windows will continue to% encroach on the high end Unix market.w    H The was an interesting slide with circles for various operating systems.I OS390 was smallest. NSK was same size as VMS. AS400 was bigger than VMS. _6 Mention that like AS400, VMS has its "cult" following.  T IA32 to retain market dominance for machines 8-way and less and office applications.D IA64 gets technical computing, data mining and statistical analysis.  N He said that Intel views Sun as Competitor. (the fact that Sun chose to go itsG own way with Sparc was mentioned a few times by the speakers that day).e  D Ia64 doesn't have serious benchmarks, must way for benchmarks beforeK committing to it. (funny he said that, considering that Compaq just bet itspL farm on IA64). He did mention that he was under a lot fo NDAs with Intel andC that McKinley and Madison would bring lots of serious improvements)c  L Interesting: for Unix, clustering is not for performance but for scalabilityJ and availability. A little later, he mentions NT clusters for performance.  Y he mentioned that EV7 will be a big leap forwards and be very competitive in performance.v  J IBM just announced Regatta (powerpc based) to compete against Wildfire. He: mentioned that now was thetime to negotiate with Compaq...    0 And finally, he said something most interesting:G He said that Microsoft is aware that Windows has some ways to go before6K getting to the scalability/availability. And he mentioned that he was underaK NDA, but that we should not be surprised if Microsoft were to buy somethingaN soon to help it get there. (I see VMS->Microsoft the same way as Alpha->Intel)   ----------------------------  > Next was Chet Jacobs, the storage guru. (very good presenter).   Here is the official list:	 	megabytes	 	gigabytea	 	terabytet 	hexabyte  s	 	petabyte % 	exabyte  (he made fun of that one !)w
 	zettabyte& 	yottabyte (24 zeros in that number !)  J Interesting concept: pay-per use storage. A Petabyte is delivered, but you3 only pay for the terabytes you are currently using.i   ---------------------------u Next was John Loether. -M He had last seen him make a presentation in montreal, extoling the virtues oftK Alpha and blasting the bloated IA64 architecture and how Alpha would alwaystN retain an edge on IA64. So I was curious to see how he would spin himself out.
 He did OK.  P He did make fun of Palmer. There was a veil reference that he might retire soon.  M And to my surprise, he said that Alpha technologies would make their way into1# IA64 ("Alpha Inside" was the joke).   : He said that the EV8 engineers will help make IA64 64-way.  L His slides show EV7 at about same time as McKinley, and EV79 about same time as Madison.*  > For Alpha: 128 processors by 2003, and 256 processors by 2004.  L He mentioned how VMS had been pulled out of the whitehouse 3 years ago, thenG the poor security revealed what Clinton did with his cigars and VMS wasn. brought back in. (no mention of office server)  B Himalaya plans to have capacity for 52 nodes, each with 2048 CPUs.   ----------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 04:07:44 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n, Subject: Re: Comments on Compaq presentation, Message-ID: <3BBD6A41.2FE5B383@videotron.ca>  M After the presentation, I spoke to a Compaq rep. He was of Tandem heritage. I:M was suprised to find out that he was totally unaware of the type of treatment H and negative advertising under the Palmer era, but he was aware that VMS# didn't get any marketing by Compaq.   L Under the combined HP, one should therefore expect that most decision makersK won't really know about how poorly VMS customers have been treated over theb last decade.  J Since I went to that presentation with expectations of a wake, and since IM take for granted that VMS is already on maintenance mode, I wasn't angered ataE all by the fact that it was not mentioned by the Compaq canada staff..  H One of the top local guys did close the day stating how he had been withM Compaq since 1991 and had seen it grow from a 3 billion company in trouble toiL its current size (46 billion ?) and soon to be over 80 billion. But the toneN was more of a retrospective and I saw a bit of "it's been nice, but I guess my time with Compaq is over".  M Local employees don't seem to know anything about the merger. (I would assume[G that the Compaq office manager would have met with the HP counterparttomG discuss office space. In montreal, HP owns a 1 story building next to amW highway, Compaq rents a few floors on a tower above a shopping mall in another suburb).c   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 04:26:32 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>, Subject: Re: Comments on Compaq presentation6 Message-ID: <1011005041355.34150A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  # On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, JF Mezei wrote:C  M > Compaq invoted customers to a presentation in Montreal this pasty thursday.6 >  > Some comments:  9 JF: excellent summary.  It will take some time to digest.3  B I wonder if any other c.o.v regulars also attended, and what their	 take was.d  B I am planning to attend what they call the "Boston area technologyD day" in a couple of weeks.  I wonder if they'll tell the same story?   [...] @ > Next was Chet Jacobs, the storage guru. (very good presenter). >  > Here is the official list: > 	megabytes > 	gigabytet > 	terabytet
 > 	hexabyte  v > 	petabyted' > 	exabyte  (he made fun of that one !)o > 	zettabyte( > 	yottabyte (24 zeros in that number !)  G I've heard of terabytes, petabytes and exabytes (both flavors) before, nD but I don't remember hexabytes.  Counting from megabyte has 6 zeros,D yottabyte should have 27 zeros, so I wonder if there's an extra size	 in there?o  0 What comes after yottabyte?  Whollottabyte?  ;-)  hL > Interesting concept: pay-per use storage. A Petabyte is delivered, but you5 > only pay for the terabytes you are currently using.a [...]e   --   John Santosd Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:01:14 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aus, Subject: Re: Comments on Compaq presentation5 Message-ID: <01K95I51ZSKI0061DT@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>    JF,    Thanks for the summary.I  N As someone over the pond or the big pond, I cannot get to these presentations.  ) A summary like JF's is very useful to me.   @ As ever here, I noted the non VMS and the plugging of Microsoft.   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,s
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, AustraliaG& (Street address, 201 Elizabeth Street)     Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,r; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.3   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2001 12:37:10 +0200 * From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: Comments on Compaq presentation* Message-ID: <3bbd8d56$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  \ In article <3BBD68AF.8936D2D8@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >Here is the official list:s
 >	megabyte
 >	gigabyte
 >	terabyte >	hexabyte  
 >	petabyte& >	exabyte  (he made fun of that one !) >	zettabyte_' >	yottabyte (24 zeros in that number !)_  J MEGA (6), GIGA (9), TERA (12), PETA (15), EXA (18), ZETTA (21), YOTTA (24)   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:09:12 +0000 (UTC)9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> , Subject: Re: Comments on Compaq presentation- Message-ID: <9pk4co$4rn$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>e  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  2 : And finally, he said something most interesting:I : He said that Microsoft is aware that Windows has some ways to go beforetM : getting to the scalability/availability. And he mentioned that he was underrM : NDA, but that we should not be surprised if Microsoft were to buy somethingeB : soon to help it get there. (I see VMS->Microsoft the same way as : Alpha->Intel)s  + That would certainly trigger off FreeVMS...e  7 Microsoft would probably need a hardware producer, too..H All the ones that have high scalability/availability are both hw and sw. Anyone who is not?  4 Maybe Microsoft will buy Sun? (but no, that IBM; see) 	http://www.theinquirer.net/04100106.htm)  Who's left?  Will Microsoft buy HP?D Will Microsoft buy Sgi? (They seem to be weak and ready for taking?)	 Any more?G  
 -Roar Thronsn   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 12:47:49 +0100n4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>, Subject: Re: Comments on Compaq presentation8 Message-ID: <mb7rrtcspd11srgdf9brvlruq7peek4c5s@4ax.com>  D On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 04:26:32 -0400, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:  H >I've heard of terabytes, petabytes and exabytes (both flavors) before, E >but I don't remember hexabytes.  Counting from megabyte has 6 zeros,vE >yottabyte should have 27 zeros, so I wonder if there's an extra sizeW
 >in there?  D Hexabyte looks the unwanted arrival.  I was fairly sure exabyte came after petabyte.1  1 >What comes after yottabyte?  Whollottabyte?  ;-)1  D But still notenoughbytesforWindows2xxxtorunproperly.  And they stillF won't provide a backup/image utility.  1.44Mb floppies will also still be standard fits.W   ;-)j   	Johnu -- 2
 John Laird Yezerski Roper Ltd   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:26:58 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> , Subject: Re: Comments on Compaq presentation( Message-ID: <9pkfrg$g35$1@pyrite.mv.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3BBD68AF.8936D2D8@videotron.ca...   ...e  H > IA32 to retain market dominance for machines 8-way and less and office
 applications.0  K That makes sense, and is a major reason Itanic won't achieve the volumes ito4 needs to bring its price down to 'commodity' levels.    > IA64 gets technical computing,  G Maybe, since it's competitive with Alpha in SPECfp (which may extend to J encryption and/or multimedia code) - though its processor prices will haveF to come down a lot from the initial values.  But since Power4 has justI raised the bar significantly in this area, Itanic will have to compete on / price/performance rather than pure performance.o    data mining  I More doubtful:  there's a lot more SPECint-like code in these code paths.hL Itanic truly sucks there compared with anything but USIII, and about all oneJ can say about McKinley is that it won't suck quite as badly since the restK of the world (with the conspicuous exception of Power4) is not advancing by  the same percentage.    and statistical analysis.  F Maybe - with the same reservations as for 'technical computing' above.   > - > He said that Intel views Sun as Competitor.   I That's certainly what it wants people to compare Itanic performance with,mL since it's the only platform that makes Itanic look like anything but a real dog in server-style use.  #  (the fact that Sun chose to go itsdI > own way with Sparc was mentioned a few times by the speakers that day).v > F > Ia64 doesn't have serious benchmarks, must way for benchmarks beforeI > committing to it. (funny he said that, considering that Compaq just beti itseJ > farm on IA64). He did mention that he was under a lot fo NDAs with Intel andeE > that McKinley and Madison would bring lots of serious improvements)k  A The only improvements Intel has publicly stated for Madison are a K process-shrink plus addition of more on-chip cache.  And Deerfield has been F stated to be merely a cost-reduced Madison.  The fact that Madison andK Deerfield use the McKinley core has been confirmed in comp.arch by an Intel_J engineer (who of course could be mistaken, but seems credible), so I won't: hold my breath for those 'serious improvements' quite yet.   >sB > Interesting: for Unix, clustering is not for performance but for scalability-L > and availability. A little later, he mentions NT clusters for performance. >tK > he mentioned that EV7 will be a big leap forwards and be very competitive6 in performance.> > L > IBM just announced Regatta (powerpc based) to compete against Wildfire. He< > mentioned that now was thetime to negotiate with Compaq...  I Given the extremely impressive SPEC numbers Power4 just racked up, he got  that right.r   >  >r2 > And finally, he said something most interesting:I > He said that Microsoft is aware that Windows has some ways to go beforesG > getting to the scalability/availability. And he mentioned that he wasi undereC > NDA, but that we should not be surprised if Microsoft were to buy"	 something B > soon to help it get there. (I see VMS->Microsoft the same way as
 Alpha->Intel)a  D Possibly.  But I strongly doubt in either case that any recognizableD parentage will appear:  they certainly want the engineers, and theirL experience, and possibly even a few key features, but the results will still! definitely be Itanic and Windows.u   ...v  J > And to my surprise, he said that Alpha technologies would make their way into% > IA64 ("Alpha Inside" was the joke).a  F Unfortunately, a 'joke' may well be all it will ever be:  sort of like@ slapping a turbo-charger on an elephant (don't stand behind it).   >r< > He said that the EV8 engineers will help make IA64 64-way.  I And only a few years later than EV8 itself would have appeared:  think ofs it!e   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:22:18 GMTdB From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>, Subject: Re: Comments on Compaq presentation6 Message-ID: <umjv7.17214$ev2.27175@www.newsranger.com>  P On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 04:01:02 -0400, in article <3BBD68AF.8936D2D8@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei wrote:c  N [Lots of interesting viewpoints from within CPQ. Some selected comments below]   >i@ >Protect your investment, simplify solutions. The two big goals. >h  I "simplify"?? Is this the current buzzword for "industry-standard and onlyt industry-standard" ? :-)   >o& >David Booth, president Compaq Canada. >sL >Carly (yes, he called her by that name) agreed to honour Compaq's contracts >with customers.  ' Did they really have any other choice ?n  ; > Suggestion that customers should get things on paper now.  >   A Get what on paper ? Hardware maintainence or future VMS support ?-  I Why would customers need to do something above what is already covered byp maintainance contracts ?   >sP >Credit Lyonnais example given, but only Alpha was mentioned. No mention of VMS. >0Q >Repeated that all contracts will continue to be honoured until their normal end.   - Once again, how could they do anything else ?   L >In how presentation, VMS was not mentioned once, not even when pointing outM >the Credit Lyonnais example. NSK, Tru64, Windows were, of course, mentioned.t >  >--------------------o >rC >Next speaker was Phil Hodgson, canadian compaq global services VP.B > J >Compaq wants its services offerings to lead hardware sales instead of the >other way around.  # I seem to have heard that before...a   >o6 >Example of health industry choosing Proliant servers. > B >Again, absolutely no mention of VMS, but other systems mentioned. >r   Grrrr...   >------------------------  >iA >Next speaker was Brad Day, from Giga group. (he is an ex Digit).  >l >He did call VMS "legacy". >h5 >Compaq has largest share of Oracle on wintel market.t >W  M Then if _that's_ the case, why aren't CPQ using this power over Oracle to geteK an announcement of ports to VMS on IA64 ? It would be nice to at least hearnG that no decision has been taken, instead of leaving people wondering if < a decision has been made, but it's a will not port decision.   >pI >The was an interesting slide with circles for various operating systems. J >OS390 was smallest. NSK was same size as VMS. AS400 was bigger than VMS. 7 >Mention that like AS400, VMS has its "cult" following.   D "cult" ? Makes us sound like a bunch of people holding onto obsoleteH technology instead of embracing the new wonderful world of Microsoft andI their superior technology. [And yes, I am been sarcastic, I'm a VMS fan.]    >s1 >And finally, he said something most interesting:hH >He said that Microsoft is aware that Windows has some ways to go beforeL >getting to the scalability/availability. And he mentioned that he was underL >NDA, but that we should not be surprised if Microsoft were to buy somethingO >soon to help it get there. (I see VMS->Microsoft the same way as Alpha->Intel)n >n   $ MAIL  @ Welcome to Outlook Express, Microsoft VMS Character Cell Edition  < %OUTLOOK-I-VBA_ACTIVE, full virus support has been activated   OUTLOOK>  E [Somehow though, I don't see Microsoft been allowed to buy VMS, thankt goodness...]   Simon.   -- h; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFPiK In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discovered aeE truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.c   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2001 15:48:22 GMTp) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)m, Subject: Re: Comments on Compaq presentation' Message-ID: <9pkko6$q29$1@joe.rice.edu>e  C Simon Clubley (simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP) wrote:l :hG : [Somehow though, I don't see Microsoft been allowed to buy VMS, thankW : goodness...] :s  A It appears that Microsoft can do what they want, such as increaseo their prices 30-107% ...  4    http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7238508.html  .   "Microsoft customers balk at license changes    By Joe Wilcox    Staff Writer, CNET News.com$    September 20, 2001, 11:00 a.m. PT  /    What's the cost of little or no competition?e  H    For some Microsoft customers, it's paying as much as 107 percent more'    for the software they buy in volume.e  D    As previously reported by CNET News.com, Microsoft on Oct. 1 willI    dramatically change how it licenses software to its largest customers.yI    That change will drive up what they pay for products such as Office XP-C    or Windows 2000 between 33 percent and 107 percent, according tor    market researcher Gartner.g  C    Many customers also are finding they have to buy new versions ofhD    Office even to qualify for the new licensing program. With market=    share of more than 90 percent in both desktop productivity G    applications and operating systems, Microsoft is able to charge moreoF    in a way it couldn't in a more competitive market, say analysts and    the company's customers.e  I    Some Microsoft customers--many of which are companies not even halfway G    through their 2001 fiscal year--are outraged with the changes, which *    the software giant announced in May..."   From:d  4    http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/21770.html6    Upgrade your MS software before 1 October - Gartner  "   "Posted: 20/09/2001 at 12:23 GMT  A    Businesses are being urged to upgrade Microsoft software by 30sH    September because MS is ditching its most widely used upgrade path on    1 October 2001.  I    The call to upgrade comes from industry analysts Gartner as a response:E    to changes in licenses that Microsoft announced in May 2001 comingRD    into effect on 1 October. On that date, Version Upgrades, ProductI    Upgrades, Competitive Upgrades and Language Upgrades will no longer benD    available. But Microsoft has extended the date for purchasing theF    Upgrade Advantage (UA) maintenance offering until 28 February 2002.G    To get the max future upgrade cover period, enterprises requiring UAeG    are advised to end their Open Authorization or Select Agreements and >    enter into new version 5 UA agreements before 30 September.  A    Gartner says that although UA is nominally a two-year deal, iteE    actually runs concurrently with the Select or Open contract terms.yE    "Enterprises with agreements signed in 2000, may purchase UA up to F    February 2002, but they will pay for two years and get coverage forF    only seven months (i.e., the remainder of the contract term)," says    the analysts report.i  L    But it gets worse. "In addition, they will then have to sign a Select..."  K By the time the courts have ruled on the DoJ's lawsuits against Microsoft, sK and Microsoft exhausts all appeals, any serious competition will have gone ' out of business.  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:53:58 +0200! From: Luminy <luminyGG@iname.com>o, Subject: Re: Comments on Compaq presentation9 Message-ID: <MPG.1627f5ec6f5340579896e3@news2.hexanet.fr>b  9 Le Fri, 05 Oct 2001 04:01:02 -0400, JF Mezei crivait... 2   ...2Q > Credit Lyonnais example given, but only Alpha was mentioned. No mention of VMS.n .../...e  F The other system in crdit lyonnais was HP/UX-Sybase and Windows NT...-                                         ^^^^^s  F All Windows NT - informations were lose, 20% from HP/UX-sybase and 0%  from VMS/RDB...   7 This will not change the politic of crdit lyonnais !!!      --  	 Luminy...a1 "Il n'y a qu'une vrit, mais chacun la sienne !"m   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 09:00:41 -0500o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>tN Subject: Re: Compaq revenue goes down $1 Billion, warns of loss in 3rd Quarter& Message-ID: <3BBDBD09.99BC135@fsi.net>   "Vance R. Haemmerle" wrote:b > ? > In article <vWmu7.15971$xG6.6512127@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,o5 > Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:m > >)2 > >"John Nebel" <nebel@csdco.com> wrote in messageC > >news:Pine.OSF.4.21.0110021006250.1447-100000@athena.csdco.com...r > >> > >> What are "C-level folks"? > >h > >CEO, CIO, CFO, CTOe > >t/ >   Good ol' Compaq bought the farm.  C-I-E-I-Ot  * Gets my vote for post of the week! Choice!   --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsy http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:53:24 GMT-4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>N Subject: Re: Compaq revenue goes down $1 Billion, warns of loss in 3rd Quarter= Message-ID: <EPjv7.84186$vq.15517697@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>o  @ "Vance R. Haemmerle" <vance@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in message& news:9pjguo$fdh@gap.cco.caltech.edu...? > In article <vWmu7.15971$xG6.6512127@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, 5 > Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:i > >f2 > >"John Nebel" <nebel@csdco.com> wrote in messageC > >news:Pine.OSF.4.21.0110021006250.1447-100000@athena.csdco.com...u > >> > >> What are "C-level folks"? > >r > >CEO, CIO, CFO, CTO9 > >0/ >   Good ol' Compaq bought the farm.  C-I-E-I-Oz >t  L Hmmm... would it be possible for the Intel Xylophone Orchestra to cover that tune?e   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Oct 2001 09:24:03 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>m/ Subject: Re: Compaq Service FTP1 Server Broken?RH Message-ID: <y4itdumtws.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ) Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU> writes:o  0 > Here is a snippet of the kind of errors I get: >  > 200 PORT command successful.L > 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx,1173).$ > /bin/ls: No such file or directory  J This looks like the FTP server is working, but some of the system setup isL terminally deranged - how bad does it have to get when even a DIR won't work anymore?   	Jan   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:15:34 GMT' From: Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU>-/ Subject: Re: Compaq Service FTP1 Server Broken? ) Message-ID: <3BBDB276.55E90BBE@UIowa.EDU>s   Hoff Hoffman wrote:- > U > In article <3BBCB4FA.94CE07B9@UIowa.EDU>, Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU> writes:=I > :I have, for years, used the ftp.service.digital.com server to get ECOseH > :from Digital/Compaq.  I tried that yesterday (I had not been there inI > :a month or two) and found it broken.  It does not appear to be able to I > :server any files.  You can login, etc.  You just can't see or retrieve  > :any patch files.a > :y$ > :Does anyone else know about this? > I >   Well, the (new) ECO URL was coincidently included in the just-shippeduK >   edition of the OpenVMS FAQ.  (I hate when that happens. :-)  Please see M >   the section "MGMT25. How do I acquire OpenVMS patches, fixes, and ECOs?".f > > >   So y'all don't have to go look at the FAQ, the new URL is: > . >     ftp://ftp.support.compaq.com/public/vms/   	OK.  Now I am confused. :)   D 	Interactively, I have no problem using this site via Anonymous FTP.H However, the command procedure I have used for years suddenly won't work< for me anymore.  I use TCPIP v5.0A ECO2 from OpenVMS v7.2-1.  ) $ Define /User_Mode Sys$Input Sys$Command-> $ FTP /UserName = Anonymous /Password = "rick-dyson@uiowa.edu" ftp.support.compaq.comL 220 ftp1.support.compaq.com FTP server (Digital UNIX Version 4.104 Fri Jul 6 10:02:59 MDT 2001) ready.e& Connected to ftp1.support.compaq.com. $ 331 Password required for ANONYMOUS.B 421 Service not available, Remote server has closed the connection+ %TCPIP-E-FTP_LOGREJ, login request rejectedy  5 	I have not applied any TCPIP patches in many months.o  K 	The only change to the above command procedure from what was working abouteF a month ago is the nodename, username, and password values.  They were
 previouslyJ to a different FTP server (which redirected to this server anyway!) and my authorized account/password.  5 	Does anyone see anything wrong with my DCL commands?4   Regards, Rick -- sH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _  _____                    http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | ||_   _|  Senior Systems Analyst  --  INFORMM-Cerner Systems Group< | | | |  | |    The University of Iowa Hospitals and ClinicsH | \_/ | _| |_   Information Systems BT1000 GH       Office: 319/384-7016H  \___/ |_____|  Iowa City, IA 52242-1052               FAX: 319/384-7020   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:05:48 GMT' From: Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU>h/ Subject: Re: Compaq Service FTP1 Server Broken?w) Message-ID: <3BBDB02C.926C8A03@UIowa.EDU>h   Hoff Hoffman wrote:b > U > In article <3BBCB4FA.94CE07B9@UIowa.EDU>, Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU> writes:tI > :I have, for years, used the ftp.service.digital.com server to get ECOsoH > :from Digital/Compaq.  I tried that yesterday (I had not been there inI > :a month or two) and found it broken.  It does not appear to be able torI > :server any files.  You can login, etc.  You just can't see or retrieveo > :any patch files.i > :s$ > :Does anyone else know about this? > I >   Well, the (new) ECO URL was coincidently included in the just-shippediK >   edition of the OpenVMS FAQ.  (I hate when that happens. :-)  Please seenM >   the section "MGMT25. How do I acquire OpenVMS patches, fixes, and ECOs?".d > > >   So y'all don't have to go look at the FAQ, the new URL is: > . >     ftp://ftp.support.compaq.com/public/vms/ > 5 >   I just tried this URL, and it seems to work fine.w  A 	I agree, and I can also get in via Anonymous FTP from an OpenVMS H server using TCPIP FTP.  (Which is all I want.  My damn PC always screws7 up the file extensions on the compressed PCSI files...)a  F 	I see others also have noticed the failed access to the old server ifI they have an authorized account.  Later, I noticed Anonyous FTP also quitm
 working, too.f  ? 	Maybe I just caught the server as it was being taken off-line?o  H 	Will all ECOs be available via Anonymous FTP?  I.e, in the public area?   Regards, Rick -- oH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _  _____                    http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | ||_   _|  Senior Systems Analyst  --  INFORMM-Cerner Systems Group< | | | |  | |    The University of Iowa Hospitals and ClinicsH | \_/ | _| |_   Information Systems BT1000 GH       Office: 319/384-7016H  \___/ |_____|  Iowa City, IA 52242-1052               FAX: 319/384-7020   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 17:33:11 GMTUB From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>/ Subject: Re: Compaq Service FTP1 Server Broken?t6 Message-ID: <r9mv7.17499$ev2.27597@www.newsranger.com>  O On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:15:34 GMT, in article <3BBDB276.55E90BBE@UIowa.EDU>, Rickn Dyson wrote: >o >Hoff Hoffman wrote: >> i/ >>     ftp://ftp.support.compaq.com/public/vms/e >  >	OK.  Now I am confused. :)  ! Let me try and unconfuse you. :-)b  M [I have not tried it on VMS, but I've duplicated your problem, interactively,d% on Win98, with the MSDOS FTP client.]    >ME >	Interactively, I have no problem using this site via Anonymous FTP.oI >However, the command procedure I have used for years suddenly won't work,= >for me anymore.  I use TCPIP v5.0A ECO2 from OpenVMS v7.2-1.  >e* >$ Define /User_Mode Sys$Input Sys$Command? >$ FTP /UserName = Anonymous /Password = "rick-dyson@uiowa.edu"I  B You need anonymous in lower case, quoted to preserve the case. :-)   >ftp.support.compaq.com M >220 ftp1.support.compaq.com FTP server (Digital UNIX Version 4.104 Fri Jul 6  >10:02:59 MDT 2001) ready.' >Connected to ftp1.support.compaq.com.  % >331 Password required for ANONYMOUS.a  ! Look at the case of the username.n  C >421 Service not available, Remote server has closed the connectiona, >%TCPIP-E-FTP_LOGREJ, login request rejected  I The FTP session got dropped on me if I tried logging in with anonymous ass
 uppercase.   Hope this helps,   Simon.   -- -; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP K In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discovered aeE truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 08:51:46 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>o6 Subject: Re: DLT IV Tapes - How long should they last?' Message-ID: <3BBDBAF2.1F4720C9@fsi.net>w   Nic Clews wrote: >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > H > > I've had good luck with a VHS eraser that Radio Shack sells (or soldK > > about 8 years ago). Not much of a duty cycle, I've not needed it *THAT* 8 > > often or for much volume (one or two cart.'s, tops). > G > As an aside, even bulk VHS erasers have difficulty erasing the "HiFi"rD > soundtrack recorded with the video signal. Interestingly, the HiFiF > signal is written to the tape, then partly erased by the (following)J > video signal, its called, or was called depth recording. The VHS machine2 > is designed to pick up this partly erased track. > < > While the pictures may be gone, some of the audio remains.  D You're not using the bulk eraser properly or long enough. Try again,@ slowly, even until the built-in thermal protection(?) drops out.   --   David J. Dachterau dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 04:30:32 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: Re: EV7 StatusN@ Message-ID: <20011005113032.85910.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com>   So=20m  1 Does HP will launch new HP Alphaservers soon ????e     Regardst   FC=20r2 --- "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: >=203 > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in 	 > messageo) > news:874rpfnpbb.fsf@prep.synonet.com... - > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:- > >-6 > > > And I expect EV7 to be lucky to get out the door > at all (i.e., to be 5 > > > a lot shorter-lived than Compaq *states*, whichr > may or may not0 > > > relate at all closely to what it *plans*). > >'3 > > It is all quite sad really, POWER4 numbers havec > just apeared. 6 > > Only single CPU at the moment, and it is about 1.3 > a 1GHz4 > > EV6. So EV8 should have been way up on POWER4... >=20 >=206 > Haven't seen the Power4 numbers yet, but word has it > that the CPU will kick3 > butt and take names. As for EV7, it's been up and  > running since 9 July ins0 > Marlboro; VMS booted July 10, a dual-processor > system booted Unix on thea0 > same day. 8-CPU systems were operational as of > August 16 (Charlie Matco's3 > birthday) and pilot systems shipped on August 31.  > 16-processor systems haveo$ > been running for the last 30 days. >=204 > Not bad at all. Historically, vendors have fielded > new processor generationsi6 > in uniprocessor systems first, and it's taken them a > while to work out thee3 > kinks in larger and way-large SMP configurations.e > Apparently the gluelessr  > SMP stuff in EV7 really works. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D  F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - BrazilO fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Do  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?L NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/mon= th. # http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:54:46 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: EV7 Statusp= Message-ID: <WQjv7.84193$vq.15518887@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>e  ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in messagee: news:20011005113032.85910.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com...   So  1 Does HP will launch new HP Alphaservers soon ????o  C Good question. If the acquisition takes place, it probably won't bea finalized until April 2002.w   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2001 17:36:18 GMTc- From: Joe Heimann <heimann@nog.ecs.umass.edu>o Subject: Re: Free VAX 3400, Message-ID: <9pkr2i$9mu$1@odo.ecs.umass.edu>  ) Jack Peacock <peacock@simconv.com> wrote:aL > A customer came by the other day and gave us an old MicroVAX 3400 that hadB > been gathering dust in their warehouse.  The info I have is 28MBK > (16MB+8MB+4MB onboard), DSSI disks (400MB system disk, 1GB in an extra BA N > expansion box), CXY serial boards with octopus cables (not sure if 8 or 16),L > a SCSI tape controller and VT320 console.  It's dusty but was running when< > shut down about 2 years ago.  No software and no warranty.  M > There are a few miscellaneous parts with it:  a DELNI, two VXT terminals inlN > unknown condition (just tested, they did power up and load the VXT software,N > both have 16MB), and whatever else is in the boxes from the warehouse, looks9 > like some beat up printers and a nice RJ45 patch panel.m  K > The deal is you haul it away, from Las Vegas Nevada.  Send me an email ift > you are interested.s >    Jack Peacocky > peacock@simconv.comm  H Darn, you're on the wrong side of the country....  Hope you get a taker.    Joe Heimann   heimann@ecs.umass.edu    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2001 08:59:28 -0700 % From: stan@lsua.edu (Stanley Hippler)o* Subject: Re: Full printer support at last?= Message-ID: <782cd74d.0110050759.5f4cf6bf@posting.google.com>t  s Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> wrote in message news:<070920011314547075%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>...t > In articleE > <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240010BF03B@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>,s; > John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> wrote:  > L > > Will DCPS finally fully support the latest HP printers once the dust has > > settled? > G > We already mostly did at the release of DCPS V2.0 earlier this year. eE > Well, HP introduced a few new models (2200, 4100, 9000) just beforet, > release time, so we're behind a bit again. > F > It remains to be seen how the HP deal affects DCPS, but I suppose it1 > won't mean *worse* support of HP printers.  ;-)  > I > In article <3B98FAE8.7A888BF3@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:t > N > > That remains to be seen. The problem may be that DCPS is build by Genicom,N > > and Genicom also produces printers. So here we have a potential confict of > > interests........a > I > No, DCPS came back to Compaq last year.  Genicom still makes the LA, LGt# > and LN series of printers though.a >  > Paul  , Any idea when DCPS will support the hp 9000?   --stan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 12:49:41 -0400i0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>* Subject: Re: Full printer support at last?; Message-ID: <051020011249413424%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>i  E In article <782cd74d.0110050759.5f4cf6bf@posting.google.com>, Stanleyu Hippler <stan@lsua.edu> wrote:  . > Any idea when DCPS will support the hp 9000?  G The HP LaserJet 9000 is planned to be supported in DCPS V2.1, scheduledy for Q1 2002.   Paul   -- c  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Compaq Computer Corporation5   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:57:42 +01004 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk>? Subject: Re: Help! OpenVMS 7.3 and COGNOS Powerhouse 7.10.E1??? B Message-ID: <1002297345.14568.0.nnrp-07.9e989e7e@news.demon.co.uk>  4 "Michael Fraley" <fraley@usfca.edu> wrote in messageG > Is anyone running COGNOS Powerhouse 7.10.E1 or higher on OpenVMS 7.3?mL > We can't get confirmation of compatibility from COGNOS... they say "try it* > and see if it works". Can anyone advise?   We're using 7.10G3 on 7.3.H Works for us - done most batch jobs there for a few weeks, trialled some, users there, moving the rest over on Monday.F Do install the latest tcpip eco (we've had one crash for that), and doK downgrade vcc_flags to 1 - we experienced a cache corruption - it's unclearoF whether it's the presence of a 7.1 node in the cluster, or the XFC ECO" presently in engineering, or both.G I seem to recall Powerhouse release E1 wasn't that good - I'd recommendm G3/G4.  
 Chris Sharman4   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:33:39 +0100l( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>L Subject: Re: Itanium and Bi-endianism (was: Re: Ben Rosen the real culprit?)) Message-ID: <3BBDB6B3.BC66BC4C@127.0.0.1>D   Bill Todd wrote: [...]  Bill,w  H We disagree. You are not going to convince me, and I'm quite certain I'mF not going to convince you. You say I'm gullible, I think you're jaded.G We're in posession of (literally) different points of view, which in my ( experience is also affected by attitude.  G It is easier to find (or make) deaf ears than getting your voice heard.t  B I trust your career of migrating away from VMS is a rewarding one.  ! Excuse me, but I have work to do.d  
 Regards, Nic..   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 04:37:57 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: Itanium and OpenVMS@ Message-ID: <20011005113757.86138.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>  7 Today I think in a few advantages of porting OpenVMS=20t to Itanium.-  6 OpenVMS, Windows 64 and Unix/Linux will have in common  1 the Itanium processor -so they can share the same- code.-  ) I believe will be easier to port software+0 between these platforms. I am not saying we will1 run MS Office under OpenVMS or Unix/Linux, but ine+ terms of Server Applications will be great.d. Despite the internals differences of the OSes,5 probably, the great number of applications not ported 4 to OpenVMS can get a boost...And sometimes I imagine, OpenVMS applications being ported to W64 and Unix/Linux.t       Regardsr   FC=20(           =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DbL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Ds F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D:  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?L NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/mon= th.f# http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info14   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2001 08:03:57 -0500 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)l  Subject: Re: Itanium and OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <fpLh6lzS+hv+@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  q In article <20011005113757.86138.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:  > 8 > OpenVMS, Windows 64 and Unix/Linux will have in common > 3 > the Itanium processor -so they can share the same  > code.  >   G    No.  VMS and UNIX had the same processor in the VAX.  VMS, UNIX, andeB    NT had the same processor in the Alpha.  Solaris and NT had the    same processor in Intel.u  D    I could go on and on, but there's a hell of a lot more to sharing%    code than just the same processor.   E    For now the only thing that can do this other than rare occaissione4    are Java byte code and PDP-11 code on an old VAX.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2001 08:16:11 -0700f+ From: nilakantan_m@hotmail.com (Nilakantan)  Subject: Lkwset before CMKRNLe= Message-ID: <f660c23e.0110050716.591a2519@posting.google.com>T   Hi ,D I have a piece of code to be executed in kernel mode .I need to lockB this piece of code before I issue CMKRNL call so as to prevent anyC pagefault at this IPL.The description of system service LKWSET says.A that multiple calls to lkwset should be issued to lock executable C piece of code.I locked my code only once and and even after that myE: system crashed (PGFIPLHI).What should I do to avoid system: crash?Should multiple calls to lkwset must to avoid crash.& any help would be greatly appreciated.  
 Best Regards, 
 Nilakantan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:16:00 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>n! Subject: Re: Lkwset before CMKRNL . Message-ID: <41lv7.5$RL6.119@news.cpqcorp.net>  K Locking the working set, does not lock the page in memory.  Try raising IPL % to ASTDEL and calling MMG_STD$IOLOCK._       Nilakantan wrote in message ...i >Hi ,aE >I have a piece of code to be executed in kernel mode .I need to lockrC >this piece of code before I issue CMKRNL call so as to prevent anyCD >pagefault at this IPL.The description of system service LKWSET saysB >that multiple calls to lkwset should be issued to lock executableD >piece of code.I locked my code only once and and even after that my; >system crashed (PGFIPLHI).What should I do to avoid system ; >crash?Should multiple calls to lkwset must to avoid crash. ' >any help would be greatly appreciated.f >n >Best Regards, >NilakantanB   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:08:28 -0400. From: "Kenneth Randell" <kenr@datametrics.com>! Subject: Re: Lkwset before CMKRNLi+ Message-ID: <9pkpe5$81c$1@bob.news.rcn.net>n   What language?  K What platform (VAX or ALPHA)?  If ALPHA, you know you have to lock down thesI code, linkage, and data (if required)? Have you memorized section 3.10 ofa. the OpenVMS MACRO-32 Porting and User's Guide?  9 Is the page fault coming from a CODE page or a DATA page?y  7 More information is required to diagnose this properly.F   Ken Randelle  6 Nilakantan <nilakantan_m@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:f660c23e.0110050716.591a2519@posting.google.com...  > Hi ,F > I have a piece of code to be executed in kernel mode .I need to lockD > this piece of code before I issue CMKRNL call so as to prevent anyE > pagefault at this IPL.The description of system service LKWSET saysmC > that multiple calls to lkwset should be issued to lock executablenE > piece of code.I locked my code only once and and even after that myP< > system crashed (PGFIPLHI).What should I do to avoid system< > crash?Should multiple calls to lkwset must to avoid crash.( > any help would be greatly appreciated. >k > Best Regards,y > Nilakantan   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 17:34:01 GMTa= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)i! Subject: Re: Lkwset before CMKRNL 0 Message-ID: <00A0312A.DB3CF39B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  k In article <f660c23e.0110050716.591a2519@posting.google.com>, nilakantan_m@hotmail.com (Nilakantan) writes:  >Hi ,OE >I have a piece of code to be executed in kernel mode .I need to lockaC >this piece of code before I issue CMKRNL call so as to prevent anyfD >pagefault at this IPL.The description of system service LKWSET saysB >that multiple calls to lkwset should be issued to lock executableD >piece of code.I locked my code only once and and even after that my; >system crashed (PGFIPLHI).What should I do to avoid systemS; >crash?Should multiple calls to lkwset must to avoid crash.n' >any help would be greatly appreciated.M >i >Best Regards, >NilakantanU    @ Lock down data which your code may access as well.  In addition,A you didn't mention if this was a VAX or Alpha.  On the Alpha, youfA will need to lock down the program linkage sections which are ac- 2 cess at elevated IPL along with the code and data.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMl             J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesn   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 17:36:03 GMTr= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)d! Subject: Re: Lkwset before CMKRNL 0 Message-ID: <00A0312B.24845776@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <41lv7.5$RL6.119@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:L >Locking the working set, does not lock the page in memory.  Try raising IPL& >to ASTDEL and calling MMG_STD$IOLOCK.   Huh?   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMR            uJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesb   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 17:39:44 GMTn5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> ! Subject: Re: Lkwset before CMKRNLn/ Message-ID: <Afmv7.15$RL6.177@news.cpqcorp.net>-   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 17:39:53 GMTd5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>T! Subject: Re: Lkwset before CMKRNLs/ Message-ID: <Jfmv7.16$RL6.178@news.cpqcorp.net>i   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2001 06:35:32 -0700o1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 5 Subject: Re: Locate Filename containing logical block = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0110050535.767b0428@posting.google.com>r  a Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message news:<87vghun682.fsf@prep.synonet.com>... C > I had a block go bad on the system disk of my M600 some time ago. F > The block replacment failed. Horribly... But, it is a Seagate 'cuda,: > not a 'real DEC' drive, so the u-code may be all at sea. > E > I run with a single member shadow set, and when it happened I addedlH > another drive as a saftey measure. Well, the shadow copy started, thenI > it all died a horrible death at the bad spot. Worst part of it was thate= > the added drive was silently dropped out of the shadow set!c  E Shadowing uses the SCSI ReadLong and WriteLong operations (which read ; and write both the data and the associated ECC) to simulate-F forced-error flags on SCSI disks, by arranging things so the ECC checkF will always fail on a subsequent read (by inverting either the data or? the ECC, I forget which, before writing them to the disk with a> WriteLong).   E Since there was a forced-error flag on the source disk, and ShadowingrB has to make the members equivalent, during the full-copy operationE Shadowing needed to write the corresponding sector on the output disksC with a forced-error flag set, so all the members would be identicalvF (and generate an error every time the in-error sector data is read, noC matter which member it was read from).  If the output disk does notsB support the SCSI ReadLong and WriteLong operations, Shadowing must= force the incapable member out of the shadow set, since it ism> impossible for it to keep that member identical to the others.  B I suspect this is what caused the target member to be removed from your shadowset.=C -------------------------------------------------------------------hC Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | VMS consulting on: C Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Internals, Performance, Storage & I/Ou   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:58:48 -0400  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.comW Subject: Meta, giga, yadda yadda yadda (was Re: Comments on Compaq        presentation)e4 Message-ID: <C2256ADC.005D31B9.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  * eplan@kapsch.net on 10/05/2001 06:37:10 AM  " Please respond to eplan@kapsch.net   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com, cc:iC Subject:  Meta, giga, yadda yadda yadda (was Re: Comments on Compaq-       presentation)o    7 > In article <3BBD68AF.8936D2D8@videotron.ca>, JF Mezeio& <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > >Here is the official list:3
 > >  megabyteD MEGA (6) Million
 > >  gigabyte= GIGA (9) Billion
 > >  terabytea TERA (12) Trillion
 > >  hexabyter There is no hexabyte, see EXA)
 > >  petabyteo PETA (15) QuadrillionD) > >  exabyte  (he made fun of that one !)39 EXA (18) Quintillion (from Greek Hexa, there is no hexa-)_ > >  zettabyte ZETTA (21) Sextillionm* > >  yottabyte (24 zeros in that number !) YOTTA(24) Septillion   I can find no further entries.   >/L > MEGA (6), GIGA (9), TERA (12), PETA (15), EXA (18), ZETTA (21), YOTTA (24) >  > --> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888o> > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"                    American System1 NAME                  VALUE IN  NUMBER  NUMBER OFo1                       POWERS    OF      GROUPS OFi1                       OF TEN    ZEROS   THREE 0'S 3                                         AFTER 1,000i  ) million                 10^6    6       1A) billion                 10^9    9       2m) trillion                10^12   12      3o) quadrillion             10^15   15      4d) quintillion             10^18   18      5d) sextillion              10^21   21      6 ) septillion              10^24   24      7n) octillion               10^27   27      8i) nonillion               10^30   30      9l* decillion               10^33   33      10* undecillion             10^36   36      11* duodecillion            10^39   39      12* tredecillion            10^42   42      13* quattuordecillion       10^45   45      14* quindecillion           10^48   48      15* sexdecillion            10^51   51      16* septendecillion         10^54   54      17* octodecillion           10^57   57      18* novemdecillion          10^60   60      19* vigintillion            10^63   63      20   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 09:11:41 -0700 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> J Subject: Re: Microsoft Addresses Security Fears: Chance To Market VMS/CSWS+ Message-ID: <3BBDDBBD.A117E056@caltech.edu>e   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:   > G > Dear sir, I do *not* believe that comments about rear ends, lips, andr2 > posterior, like those quoted above, are helpful.  ] Of course they aren't helpful.  Not because of their tone, but because  nothing any of us saya or dor[ could help Compaq.   Only Compaq can help Compaq.  And they've already thrown in the towel.m     > If someone forwards A > comments like these to Compaq or HP executives (and someone may>F > already have done so!), then it will only hurt the future of VMS. It- > will only "harden their hearts" against us.   # That happened many, many years ago.?   > I mean, imagine if someone9 > made comments like that about you! How would you react?i  T I'd ask myself, "What did I do to piss off this guy, and those like him , so badly?"   > C > I do, however, share your frustation about the lack of marketing, C > etc., for VMS, and would like nothing more than for VMS to have a  > bright future.  ; If VMS has a future it's despite Compaq, not because of it.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:54:19 +0100, From: "Andrew Dodd" <Andrew.Dodd@Compaq.com> Subject: Re: Need help with RMSc2 Message-ID: <grfv7.1124$YP.26357@news.cpqcorp.net>  E I don't read C - writing this thing would be so much easier in BASIC.w  L A FIND does not read data from the file, a GET does. So a FIND followed by aB GET followed by an UPDATE will write back the buffer that was justL retrieved. Which will of course be unchanged. I guess there is no bug here -I NORMAL is being correctly returned as you just updated with what you just0 got.  K Similarly if you juggle buffers and update with the buffer you read in when L you initialised the program then it will be unchanged and NORMAL comes back.  K At another guess the buffer you are attempting to write back as changed has H not been filled with the original buffer contents so the key may containH undefined contents - you have examined the buffers at update time with a debugger or somesuch?a  L As I said - C is utterly unreadable to me so if the above is obviously wrong then just ignore me.   Andrew Dodd., Opinions and views are mine not my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2001 10:46:28 +0200O* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)! Subject: Re: Pathworks on Win2000 * Message-ID: <3bbd7364$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  v In article <1002240325.11831.0.nnrp-13.d4e45fa5@news.demon.co.uk>, "Chris Townley" <news@townleyc.demon.co.uk> writes:J >Runs fine thankyou. Problem is the license requesting - without which you >cannot map a drive.  J No. As was said before, using Client Access License allows using PW sharesH WITHOUT a) a license requestor on the client and b) a license manager onA the server. That's exactly what the CAL (PWLMXXXCAxx.yy) are for.n Better run with them...t   -- l< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888e< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2001 02:08:02 -0700l From: axica@yahoo.com (Safir) ! Subject: Re: Pathworks on Win2000o= Message-ID: <e85d7983.0110050108.479964e3@posting.google.com>.  { "Chris Townley" <news@townleyc.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<1002240257.11800.0.nnrp-13.d4e45fa5@news.demon.co.uk>...n, > "Safir" <axica@yahoo.com> wrote in message9 > news:e85d7983.0110040000.56e126b6@posting.google.com...d@ > > "Chris Townley" <news@townleyc.demon.co.uk> wrote in messageA >  news:<1002157254.24747.0.nnrp-08.d4e45fa5@news.demon.co.uk>...-I > > > An interesting issue using Pathworks on Win 2000. It seems that the-	 >  normal-A > > > method of getting licences is no longer supported underW2K.  > > >aK > > > We cannot get DecNet over TCP/IP working as our license server has an2 >  oldI > > > TCPWare cludge of using 2 IP addresses, so need to resort to clienta >  based > > > licensing. > > >i' > > > Any ideas how this can be setup ?x > > . > > Do you really need to use Decnet over IP ? > . > No, it was an alternative that could work... > >tM > > You can connect to the PW server using the native TCP/IP stack of windowsc >  2000p& > > Nothing to install on windows 2000 > > A > > On the VMS server, depending on the version of the PW server,tM > > either you don't start the license server or you put some licenses in then8 > > server-based group ---> you don't need client based. > >i8 > > On the other hand if you want client based licensing@ > > you must install PAthworks 32 7.2 on the windows 2000 client, > > It includes the client license requesterI > That is the whole point of the post. The client license s NEEDED to mapa2 > drives et alia - some elements work fine, but... > N > The client license load would overcome the need to get the license requestor
 > working.  % I think i was not very precise sorry;   E No, the client license is *not* needed to map drives on the PW server  (if you have server licences)m  > and no you don't need the license requestor if you user server licensesD It is the exact opposite : you need the license requestor if you use
 the clientC licenses. The client licenses are stored first on the PW Server andc3 it's the requestor task to pull them on the client.m    F Just verify that you have put license points in the server-based group .   " And check it(starting with PW V6 ) by# $ @sys$startup:pwrk$define_commandsa, $ pwlic ! shows only the server based points  / you should see Licenses in the available column    hth,  ! have a look at the licensing doc:h< http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6554/6554pro.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 08:56:16 -0700 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>n Subject: Re: PGP for OpenVMS??+ Message-ID: <3BBDD820.D16A437C@caltech.edu>y   Dirk Munk wrote:  G >> Seqaxp is defunct, only the name lingers on as an alias to a Solaris: >> machine. ( >> I kept that software though, it's at: >> >>E >> http://saf.bio.caltech.edu/pub/software/openvms/gnupg1_0_4_vms.zipo >n- > But I'm having a bit a problem getting it :t >e  F Oops, sorry, try it again now.  There was an apache configuration file problem.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 14:44:12 +0200# From: "Terje Bodal" <terjeb@hrp.no>l Subject: Printer fonts+ Message-ID: <1002285849.791796@news.hrp.no>m  J Does anyone know how to find out wich fonts is available on the postscriptL printer and how to load additinonal fonts. I have a problem printing cyrilic@ characters on a dec laser using the Arial isolatin cyrilic font.     Terjee   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 10:11:05 -0400z0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> Subject: Re: Printer fonts; Message-ID: <051020011011052431%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>t  G In article <1002285849.791796@news.hrp.no>, Terje Bodal <terjeb@hrp.no>_ wrote:  L > Does anyone know how to find out wich fonts is available on the postscript, > printer and how to load additinonal fonts.  E Many printers have a control panel option that lets you print out allhD resident fonts.  I've attached a PostScript file that should work on any printer to display fonts.   D You can load additional fonts into the printer's memory, or flash orD hard disk if available.  An example of how to do this is included inF the file SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.DCPS]FONT_DOWNLOADER.COM includedC with DCPS.  You basically need some lines of PostScript to tell then* printer where to put the forthcoming font.   Paul    E %! scanfontsampler - do a font sampler based on resident capabilities   6 /fnames [ systemdict /languagelevel known { systemdictC /languagelevel get exec } { 1 } ifelse 2 ge { /level2? true def (*)H> { cvn } 128 string /Font resourceforall } { /level2? false def, FontDirectory { pop } forall } ifelse ] def F fnames length dict begin fnames { dup currentdict exch known { pop } { trueE def } ifelse } forall /fnames [ currentdict end { pop } forall ] def  C /forallsort where { pop /fnames [ fnames { } forallsort ] def } if i/ /tsize 12 def /hsize 20 def /fns 50 string def 6> /pagetop { 130 720 moveto gsave /Helvetica-Bold findfont hsize> scalefont setfont statusdict begin product end show ( residentB fonts ) show grestore 240 720 moveto 20 tsize hsize gt { tsize } {& hsize } ifelse -1.2 mul rmoveto } def A /nfont /Helvetica findfont tsize scalefont def /fnfont /Helvetica  findfont' tsize 2.0 div scalefont def /cfn 1 def dG /sample_string (ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP abcdefghijklmnop 012345 ;`'!@#$%^&*()"d ) def ; /error_substitute { gsave /Courier findfont tsize 0.707 mul ? scalefont setfont (This font is not directly executable.) show   grestore } def  G /process_this_name { findfont tsize scalefont setfont gsave gsave nfont A setfont fns cvs dup stringwidth pop neg 0 rmoveto show (: ) show n< gsave fnfont setfont cfn fns cvs show grestore grestore 17 0@ rmoveto mark { sample_string show } stopped { error_substitute }7 if cleartomark grestore 0 tsize -1.2 mul rmoveto } def t pagetop = fnames { /fsaveobj save def dup findfont dup /FontInfo known o6 { /FontInfo get dup /FullName known { /FullName get } ( { pop dup } ifelse } { pop dup } ifelse @ exch process_this_name currentpoint fsaveobj restore level2? { 1F vmreclaim } if /cfn cfn 1 add def moveto currentpoint exch pop 50 lt { showpage pagetop } if } forall I showpage   -- n  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineerings   Compaq Computer Corporationu   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 11:01:30 -0400o2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)C Subject: Re: Problem With VMS Backup Save-Set Spanning Tape VolumeseL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0510011101300001@user-2iveab2.dialup.mindspring.com>  < In article <87r8sk76gk.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:  1 > "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@home.com> writes:- > H > > I have been asked to lend a hand in trying to restore some data fromE > > a multi-tape DAT backup (4 volumes I believe) where we may have aa5 > > spot part way through tape #1 that can't be read.o > H > > Is it going to be possible to plow through the bad spot and continueD > > on through the other 3 tapes, etc.?  Or will we just be screwed? >  nD > You really need Save Set Utility, SSU, for this. Copy the save set& > to real media and restore from that.   Acrynom confusion...  J Save Set Manager reads and writes VMS Backup savesets, and _might_ be some help in this situation.i  H SSU is Session Support Utility.  It helps you manage two terminal logins% from a single late-model VT terminal.A   -- p Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comV   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 15:22:25 GMTo* From: mark@*NO*SPAM*.co.uk (Mark Williams)! Subject: Re: pthread_kill for VMSe/ Message-ID: <3bbdcfe7.27841974@news.force9.net>-  / On Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:05:10 +0200, Jouk Jansen9" <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote:   >Hi all, >zF >I would like to send "signals" between threads. pthread_kill seems toF >a good function for this. However is is not supported on OpenVMS (notF >even at 7.3 Alpha). Does anybody know a "way-around" to emulate these >signals in another way?  > If you want to send signals between threads then I suggest youD consider using condition variables (see pthread_cond_signal et all).  
 Mark Williamst  
 Mark Williamsh   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2001 01:10:11 -0700a, From: vuillec@post.ch (Charles-Henri Vuille), Subject: Re: Searching CDA$READ_ANALYSIS.EXE= Message-ID: <21149adb.0110050010.31d00eab@posting.google.com>e  9 I have try to VEST this image. I have now this new files: 0 CDA$READ_ANALYSIS.IIF, CDA$READ_ANALYSIS_TV.EXE,D CDA$READ_ANALYSIS_TV.LIS. After the copy in sys$common:[SYSLIB] (who4 are the other converters by me), I try the command :D $ convert /doc FB00061.DOC /format=ddif FB00061.ana /format=analysisD $ convert /doc FB00061.ana /format=analysis FB00061.DOC /format=ddif; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtualw: address=000000000000000C, PC=0000000000000012, PS=00000003   The content of the file are :  $ type CDA$READ_ANALYSIS.IIF;13 ; IIF Generated by VEST (V1.1 May 18 1993 12:51:35) * ; Command line: VEST CDA$READ_ANALYSIS.EXEA         Image "CDA$READ_ANALYSIS", "CDA X1.7-920815", 15-AUG-1992y 18:37:11.86u$ +00007A00       usv_offset      +010/ +00007A00       sets    "R0 R1 M.pc M.sp M.unk" E +00007A00       uses    "R0 R1 R5 R6 R7 R8 R9 R10 R11 AP FP SP PC RETr	 M.pc M.spe M.unk"3 +00007A00       callentry       "CDA$READ_ANALYSIS"e1 +00007A00       callentry       "Transfer Vector"d  ! $ type CDA$READ_ANALYSIS_TV.LIS;1 ? VEST V1.1 built at May 18 1993 12:51:35 starting at Oct 05 2001s 08:45:53 with command line:n VEST CDA$READ_ANALYSIS.EXEF  Image "CDA$READ_ANALYSIS", "CDA X1.7-920815", 15-AUG-1992 18:37:11.86A %VEST-I-SHAREABLE, Input is a shareable image -- writing IIF filet. USER_DISK5:[VUILLE.VEST]CDA$READ_ANALYSIS.IIF;   ! Message summary by category: !i" ! 1 messages in STANDARD category:C !     1     INFO  SHAREABLE - Input is a shareable image -- writinge IIF file !AZ !e) ! 1 messages in SOURCE_ANALYSIS category:-: !     1     INFO  NONSTDCALLU - Non-standard call uses !AZ !h! ! 7 messages in VERBOSE category:s. !     3     INFO    READING - Reading file !AZ4 !     1     INFO      NOHIF - HIF file !AZ not found6 !     1     INFO      PASS1 - Starting analysis pass 16 !     1     INFO      PASS2 - Starting analysis pass 2F !     1     INFO   ENDPASS2 - Ending analysis pass 2 -- beginning code generation and outputg  $ What is wrong ? Thanks for the help.  \ eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) wrote in message news:<3bb747ae$1@news.kapsch.co.at>...m > In article <21149adb.0109140332.c44a6a3@posting.google.com>, vuillec@post.ch (Charles-Henri Vuille) writes:rE > >I am searching the CDA Converter for reading DDIF file format on aeC > >AXP. On a VAX this file was : SYS$LIBRARY:CDA$READ_ANALYSIS.EXE.i > @ > I wasn't aware of such a file on the VAX though I have had theF > "CDA Converters" (CDACVTLIB022 ECO 1) installed on all of them here.B > Only a SYS$SHARE:CDA$WRITE_ANALYSIS.EXE comes to mind (and AFAIRD > it is part of VMS [CDA Base Services] and exists also on Alpha)... > F > Unfortunately even the CDA Converters did and do not exist for Alpha@ > (DEC sold them to a company which got bankrupt shortly after). > G > You could still try to VEST them. Even though DECmigrate is no longer)D > supported there is a good chance that one might be able to convert= > this (assumed very simple) VAX exe to an Alpha exe with it.g >  > Keep us informed   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2001 03:46:14 -0700 / From: andreas.stiller@eds.com (Andreas Stiller)p, Subject: Re: UCX FTP over WIN2k VPN problems= Message-ID: <e8f4a56a.0110050246.566477d3@posting.google.com>O   Hi,   E maybe the WIN2K machine use network address translation (NAT) to hideTE the local subnet from the outside world. All subnet-boxes are seen as C one IP-address from the outside in this case. And when ftp tries to E connect it makes the connect to the NAT-router. So passive mode would D be the solution. Another solution would be a configuration change inB the NAT setup for incoming ftp connections to be routed to the VMS; machine. But this is probably not good for the other users.    Andreas     | "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com> wrote in message news:<HP8v7.123214$bY5.606938@news-server.bigpond.net.au>... ...   H > I'm not sure why you are seeing this, however something I would try isF > PASSIVE mode.  Normally, the FTP server establishes an outbound dataH > connection, which can be problematic in firewall configurations.    ByH > turning PASSIVE mode ON, the FTP client initiates the data connection. >  >  > 9 > "Rod Prince" <prince_at_wserv_dot_com> wrote in messagen+ > news:1002212717.303813@night.wserv.com...-   ...-  J > > files.  I can verify that it is connected, with any number of CD & DIRI > > commands.  I see the expected files.  When I enter a GET, PUT or SENDoM > > command, FTP attempts to open a data connection to the WIN2K VPN address.m > > Why is it doing this?r > >o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:42:41 +02007 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com>' Subject: RE: VAX 7000'sfO Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511011C6887@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>l  J We close 5 year servicecontracts, so we need hardwaresupport partners that( give the at least give support for more : then 5 years from now. And that includes the VAX7000 also.  L That is the reason we don't have any hardware support contract with Compaq. K There are enough other company that give hardwaresupport on VAX7000's so if  you 2 need the right on support for longer then a year. L The solution is simple close a supportcontract with a company that has gives  L support long after end-of-life date of Compaq or HP or Digital or IBM or NCR or SUN.c    m      g   > Steve, > ? >          I've posted multiple calls to various support.  I'vetC > contacted everybody I can think of in our regional area, and I'vetG > contacted Howard Elias - Senior VP of Business Critical systems.  The-E > standard procedure is to send you a letter saying that you have one ) > year until that machine is end of life.  > E > With our environment there is NO WAY that one year is enough time. 'D > Through talking with Mr. Elias Compaq agreed to 15 months notice. = > That's still not enough time.  We run our ENTIRE productionlA > environment off this two node cluster, and we have THOUSANDS ofaE > applications running here.  We just can't jump to any platform even  > alpha just like that.i >    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:12:15 +0000 (UTC)9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no>  Subject: Re: VAX 7000's - Message-ID: <9pk11v$35h$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>L  3 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:e    > : Rick Nickles" <on_the_move4ever@yahoo.com> wrote in message < :    news:b2faac46.0110030603.18ac43a1@posting.google.com...  J : : I'm trying to find out what the installed base of the VAX 7000 line isL : : currently to try to figure out an approximate time that this machine is  : : going to go end of life.  G :   That's really a question for the Compaq hardware services folks to -I :   answer, since they have the spares and the contracts and the details.(  H :   There are typically customer advisories provided well ahead of when @ :   systems start to transition to end-of-hardware-service-life.  J :   If you expect to need hardware support over a very long term, I would F :   be looking at maintaining a cache of spares locally, and at local D :   maintenance capabilities including the Compaq Assisted Services H :   program, and at negotiating for extended support contracts with the F :   Compaq hardware support folks.  Again, this if you expect to need G :   hardware support for these systems over a very long term -- longer E@ :   than services folks will typically be maintaining the boxes.  H It might be that there are other reasons than software that recent 7800s are wanted by the government?nI Some computer hardware seem to have military classification, but it seems"? to be difficult finding (the right) information on such things.0# (Aside from small compaq.com-fonts) < I have heard at least some VAXen had, but what about Alphas?* And how long time does it take to acquire?  E And looking at http://www.radium.ncsc.mil/tpep/epl/epl-by-class.html,.? it does not seem to cover newer VMS versions (-> hardware too).yI At http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/os/openvms71.html it says B1 andgK C2, but I have not found any newer. (With AS 8400 as the best/newest Alpha) > How long does it take to acquire classifications as B1 and C2?K (I see no point in asking about fab-ing old Alphas, it will probably not be- any easier than fab-ing VAX)    Will 7.3 have B1 (just curious)?  
 -Roar Throns    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 07:54:04 -05001 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>P Subject: Re: VAX 7000'ss8 Message-ID: <9pkagv$olq$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  2 Interesting - this week - development on the 7000.  J Our local service people are "not sure" about the status of support of theH 7000 and are researching further.  This came after we were told, on SeptK 25th, by another local service person that we had nothing to worry about in  terms of 7000 service.   I'll post what I learn here.   Dave...   ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messages, news:XK2v7.1094$YP.26308@news.cpqcorp.net... >  >   from an earlier post...  >t4 > In article <xtGu7.1017$YP.25359@news.cpqcorp.net>,4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: >e > .. >tJ > :  NONE OF THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO IMPLY THAT HARDWARE SERVICES FOR THISF > :  PLATFORM WILL BE ENDING SOON.  (I don't know that.)  The hardware supporteJ > :  decision is something that the Compaq services folks decide, based on theeL > :  availability of and the "burn rate" of spares and based on the businessL > :  considerations around continued hardware support.  Again, I do not knowJ > :  the schedule and the plans -- if any, of course -- for the end of theK > :  VAX 7000 series service.  (Nor do I know the platform installed base.)y > .. >h >l( >  ---------------------------- #include' <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------eL >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------)1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering  hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 09:16:33 -0500l1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a Subject: Re: VAX 7000's5' Message-ID: <3BBDC0C1.5356ECAC@fsi.net>-   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > n > In article <9pias5$fb0$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes: > :AB > :"Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message/ > :news:%b0v7.1080$YP.26215@news.cpqcorp.net...>A > :> In article <b2faac46.0110040703.a50cfae@posting.google.com>,t4 > :on_the_move4ever@yahoo.com (Rick Nickles) writes: > :>H > :> :With our environment there is NO WAY that one year is enough time.G > :> :Through talking with Mr. Elias Compaq agreed to 15 months notice. # > :> :That's still not enough time.e > :>H > :>   One year (or longer) advance notice of some future end-of-serviceA > :>   life for the particular system model(s) involved, that is.s > :>
 > :    <snip>9 > :nO > :Am I to take what is now being said here that customers have indeed receivedoN > :letters from Compaq stating that the VAX 7000 is or will within one year beO > :at its end-of-life?  Including its service?  I don't remember receiving saidj
 > :letter. > / >   Keyword: "some future end-of-service life".: >   > :Anyone here have said letter? > F >   I *knew* somebody wasn't gonna read the thread through, and I knewG >   I should have repeated the information.  Oh, well.  (No offense waseG >   intended here.  I just tried to skip over the repetition, and y'allw >   caught me. :-) > E >   AFAIK, no such letter has been sent for the VAX 7000 series.  TheoI >   site in question needs/wants a longer lead time than the usual noticelG >   that is sent ahead of any hardware end-of-service-life plans -- the I >   site in question indicates the usual year's warning is not sufficienti >   time, hence the discussion.d  H Pardon my butting in here, but I think a statement is being made that is. perhaps not getting the attention it deserves.  D Digital/Compaq has said "no more VAX, Alpha" and since then "no more Alpha, IPF".  E Meanwhile, the market (user base - remember us? ...the folks who makedE possible the wages and salaries of everyone at Digital/Compaq/HP?) ist6 saying, "no, we have VAX, we are on VAX, we need VAX".  G Similarly, the market is saying, "now, we're on Alpha - we need Alpha".r  H The market is speaking. Compaq is not listening. Would-be "Mentec"s lackB the resources and/or resourcefulness to continue the VAX and Alpha lines.  E Any Biz-001 (Community College, non-transferable credit) students out]0 there care to post the ultimate outcome of that?   -- l David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/f   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2001 09:03:59 -0700w$ From: lindape@attachmate.com (Linda) Subject: VMS 5.4 supported?l= Message-ID: <59b5e0fa.0110050803.2c3a4144@posting.google.com>a  C I've inherited a Microvax 3100 that I know very little about.  It'scE not in my hands yet so the info I have is limited, but I believe it's'E running VMS 5.4 and UCX (ver unknown).  Can anyone tell me if VMS 5.4 ? is still supported?  If not, what would be the most current andlD supported level that can run on a 3100?  This is all new to me, so I- thank you in advance for your kind responses.v   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2001 11:50:50 -0500t- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)m Subject: Re: VMS 5.4 supported? 3 Message-ID: <RGyDgzeCy5nE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <59b5e0fa.0110050803.2c3a4144@posting.google.com>, lindape@attachmate.com (Linda) writes:E > I've inherited a Microvax 3100 that I know very little about.  It's G > not in my hands yet so the info I have is limited, but I believe it'sjG > running VMS 5.4 and UCX (ver unknown).  Can anyone tell me if VMS 5.4nA > is still supported?  If not, what would be the most current and-F > supported level that can run on a 3100?  This is all new to me, so I/ > thank you in advance for your kind responses.,  ?  VMS 5.4 is not supported (except by asking questions from yourrC  friends).  If you upgrade to 5.5-2 you can buy limitted support atT  extra cost.  G  Any MicroVAX 3100 should run VMS 7.3, which is the latest.  There are >E  several models in the 3100 line (including one known only as a 3100 @8  with no model number), they vary in capacity and speed.  >  For details, see the SPD at http://www.openvms.compaq.com/spd!  (search for Compaq OpenVMS ....)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:09:18 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>  Subject: Re: VMS<->Tru642 Message-ID: <z2kv7.1148$YP.26485@news.cpqcorp.net>   Find a man page on xhost  L VMS has added some rudimentary xauth functionality (using tcpip) for the COEH release, and will support xauth when we upgrade to X11R6.x on the client libraries (sometime next year).t  H So for now, you need to add the node name of the VMS system to the xhost list on the SUN system.s      = Arne Vajhj wrote in message <3BBDBFC9.E404A113@gtech.com>...rB >Question: if I need to display a Unix X app on a VMS work-station: >O just go to CDE "Style Manager" "Security" and opens for< >nodename/transport/username. But how do I do the same, if I< >need to display a VMS X app on a Tru64 work-station ? Tru64@ >CDE does not have the "Security" option under "Style Manager" !? >I tried "man xauth", but I did not get much wiser ! Any help ?  >H >Arne    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 16:12:25 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>M Subject: X: VMS<->Tru64a) Message-ID: <3BBDBFC9.E404A113@gtech.com>a  A Question: if I need to display a Unix X app on a VMS work-stationw9 O just go to CDE "Style Manager" "Security" and opens forr; nodename/transport/username. But how do I do the same, if I ; need to display a VMS X app on a Tru64 work-station ? Tru64c? CDE does not have the "Security" option under "Style Manager" !l> I tried "man xauth", but I did not get much wiser ! Any help ?   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2001 11:39:30 -0500m- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)Y Subject: Re: X: VMS<->Tru64.3 Message-ID: <daQndSsQbNGg@eisner.encompasserve.org>$  i In article <3BBDBFC9.E404A113@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:tC > Question: if I need to display a Unix X app on a VMS work-stationt; > O just go to CDE "Style Manager" "Security" and opens forv= > nodename/transport/username. But how do I do the same, if IC= > need to display a VMS X app on a Tru64 work-station ? Tru64 A > CDE does not have the "Security" option under "Style Manager" ! @ > I tried "man xauth", but I did not get much wiser ! Any help ? >  > Arne  *    Tru64 should support the xhost program.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2001 01:50:58 -0700  From: axica@yahoo.com (Safir)M9 Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3 Alpha] my first crash since months1< Message-ID: <e85d7983.0110050050.8cb49c6@posting.google.com>  \ eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) wrote in message news:<3bbcdf72$1@news.kapsch.co.at>...K > I recently completed the OpenVMS upgrade to VMS V7.3 here and today I had  > my first crash:: >   > Crashdump Summary Information:  > ------------------------------, > Crash Time:         4-OCT-2001 23:43:01.35F > Bugcheck Type:     MCHECKPAL, Machine check while in PAL environment) > Node:              NS      (Standalone).+ > CPU Type:          AlphaStation 200 4/166  > VMS Version:       V7.3g# > Current Process:   MX SMTP Servern? > Current Image:     DSA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]LOGINOUT.EXEg? > Failing PC:        00000000.0000A3E3    V_IOC$NODE_DATA+002E3 & > Failing PS:        00000000.00000800$ > Module:            <not available> > Offset:            00000000e > , > Boot Time:         30-SEP-2001 21:17:48.00, > System Uptime:               4 02:25:13.35 > Crash/Primary CPU: 00/00 > System/CPU Type:   0D02i > Saved Processes:   46 ) > Pagesize:          8 KByte (8192 bytes)s> > Physical Memory:   128 MByte (16384 PFNs, contiguous memory) >   > Crashdump Summary Information:  > ------------------------------! > Dumpfile Pagelets: 88550 blocksc< > Dump Flags:        olddump,writecomp,errlogcomp,dump_style4 > Dump Type:         compressed,selective,shared_mem+ > EXE$GL_FLAGS:      poolpging,init,bugdump 8 > Paging Files:      1 Pagefile and 1 Swapfile installed > ...S > O > Does it indicate a hardware problem or is it one of the said problems relatedo4 > to the new XFC (as SDA>SHOW CRASH also pretends) ? > # > Current Operating Stack (KERNEL):nS >                        00000000.7B08D200    FFFFFFFF.831C3360  CACHE$IOPOST+00020CD >                        00000000.7B08D208    00000000.811F5B80  PCBR >                        00000000.7B08D210    FFFFFFFF.802F5F80  SYS$XFCACHE+1DF80? >                        00000000.7B08D218    00000000.7B08D220VS >                 SP =>  00000000.7B08D220    FFFFFFFF.831C33F8  CACHE$IOPOST+000B8a? >                        00000000.7B08D228    00000000.7B08D262e? >                        00000000.7B08D230    00000000.7B08D26E-? >                        00000000.7B08D238    00000000.7B08D26Cn? >                        00000000.7B08D240    00000000.7B08D266e? >                        00000000.7B08D248    FFFFFFFF.81293650oR >                        00000000.7B08D250    FFFFFFFF.000005B4  BUG$_XQPERR+00004W >                        00000000.7B08D258    FFFFFFFF.802F0EF8  CACHE$TRUNCATE_C+00188 O >                        00000000.7B08D260    FFFFFFFF.831C38E8  CACHE$TRUNCATEm >  >  > TIAt    E Without looking at the crash, please note that XFC should be disabledo for the moment on VMS 7.3c  & Use the good old VIOC (VCC_FLAGS to 1) htht   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2001 12:02:39 +0200f* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)9 Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3 Alpha] my first crash since monthse* Message-ID: <3bbd853f$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  \ In article <e85d7983.0110050050.8cb49c6@posting.google.com>, axica@yahoo.com (Safir) writes:F >Without looking at the crash, please note that XFC should be disabled >for the moment on VMS 7.3  1 You may have a look at the crash, if you like ;-)n  H No, I wasn't aware that I should turn off XFC. I started the VMS upgradeE after XFC ECO came out and I never ran VMS V7.3 without it. I did see1- that the XFC ECO was shortly on-hold, though.   F I've currently almost all VMS73 ECO installed (only AUDSRV and LMF are& too new to already be installed here).  ' >Use the good old VIOC (VCC_FLAGS to 1)o  @ Is this your opinion or the general consent here at the moment ?   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888e< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:17:29 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>9 Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3 Alpha] my first crash since monthsV, Message-ID: <9pk1bq$1572@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  \ "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in message news:3bbd853f$1@news.kapsch.co.at...  ) > >Use the good old VIOC (VCC_FLAGS to 1)r >tB > Is this your opinion or the general consent here at the moment ?  & It's official. See the XFC ECO readme.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2001 12:45:36 +0200l* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)9 Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3 Alpha] my first crash since monthss( Message-ID: <3bbd8f50@news.kapsch.co.at>  Y In article <9pk1bq$1572@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:s] >"Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in message news:3bbd853f$1@news.kapsch.co.at...  > * >> >Use the good old VIOC (VCC_FLAGS to 1) >>C >> Is this your opinion or the general consent here at the moment ?  >h' >It's official. See the XFC ECO readme.d  ( Can anyone dip my nose on the statement.B I see neither VCC_FLAGS nor VIOC nor any other word regarding this. in the SYS$HELP:VMS73_XFC-V0100.RELEASE_NOTES.1 Ok, I'm very tired today, but I'm not blind, yet.   G I thought, this was a (not written) statement from Q after the problems-D were found but before the XFC got released from ON-HOLD again and is therefore now obsolete.n   -- .< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888a< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 20:21:44 +0800l- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>p9 Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3 Alpha] my first crash since monthsfA Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011005201104.00a06db0@mail.bigpond.com>i  - At 5/10/01 06:02 PM, Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:p> >In article <e85d7983.0110050050.8cb49c6@posting.google.com>,   >axica@yahoo.com (Safir) writes:H > >Without looking at the crash, please note that XFC should be disabled > >for the moment on VMS 7.3 >o2 >You may have a look at the crash, if you like ;-) > I >No, I wasn't aware that I should turn off XFC. I started the VMS upgrade F >after XFC ECO came out and I never ran VMS V7.3 without it. I did see. >that the XFC ECO was shortly on-hold, though. >rG >I've currently almost all VMS73 ECO installed (only AUDSRV and LMF arep' >too new to already be installed here).e >s) > >Use the good old VIOC (VCC_FLAGS to 1)  >hA >Is this your opinion or the general consent here at the moment ?g >b >--t= >Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651a< >Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888= ><<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.net I >A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"s  > I had a similar problem recently with an AlphaStation 255/300.E Installed 7.3 from scratch, set the system up like our other systems,.C then when the nightly backups ran I would find that the machine hadeC rebooted overnight.  No crash dump.  This happened over a couple ofq> nights and I decided to do the backup and watch what happened.G When the backup had finished the first disk and was about the start theeF second, it would machine check - no crash.  With auto_action = boot itG would just reboot.  I changed auto_action to halt and forced a crash to E get a dump to look at.  The picture was very similar to what you have-D in your post.  I tried a lot of things to try to isolate the problemC and found that by varying the amount of data on the first disk that7B was backed up, or by skipping the first disk or otherwise changing* the sequence of events that it would work.B I eventually logged a call and we tried setting VCC_FLAGS to 1 andF it worked every time and has not crashed since.  I later saw a commentA in a posting here about NOT using XFC (one of the slides from oneaB of Hoff's presentations) but have not seen any explanation of whatD the problem is.  I am still waiting for a response from CSC (need toA chase them up) and had the local field service quite intrigued byeB the whole thing - they ended up virtually replacing the whole guts- of the Alpha along with storageworks boxes...oD It's probably easier to just set VCC_FLAGS to 1 and be done with it.B Interestingly though, I also have a DS10 in production that seemedC to be running quite happily with VCC_FLAGS = 2.  I have however now + changed it to 1 - don't want to tempt fate.r       Regards, Dave.e --  I David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comuI Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmnI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennonl   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:44:24 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>9 Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3 Alpha] my first crash since monthso+ Message-ID: <9pk9va$sem@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   Z "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in message news:3bbd8f50@news.kapsch.co.at...  ) > >It's official. See the XFC ECO readme.- >-D > I see neither VCC_FLAGS nor VIOC nor any other word regarding this0 > in the SYS$HELP:VMS73_XFC-V0100.RELEASE_NOTES.  ] http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/Readmes/vms/dec-axpvms-vms73_xfc-v0100--4.READMEa  H >I thought, this was a (not written) statement from Q after the problemsE >were found but before the XFC got released from ON-HOLD again and isk >therefore now obsolete.  . As far as I know the XFC ECO is still on hold.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 11:04:33 -0400 - From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>e9 Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3 Alpha] my first crash since monthsn0 Message-ID: <3BBDCC01.8CD5B273@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:J > No, I wasn't aware that I should turn off XFC. I started the VMS upgradeG > after XFC ECO came out and I never ran VMS V7.3 without it. I did see   P Ha!  Before applying this patch, I could crash individual Alphas simply by doingN a BACKUP.  After applying this patch, my whole cluster would erroneously thinkJ it lost quorum and permanently hang at the most inopportune times, such asN rebooting a single voting member.  Most annoying.  I have been forced again to disable the XFC.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 16:11:43 +0100h- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>n9 Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3 Alpha] my first crash since monthsh1 Message-ID: <3BBDCDAF.A661A7AE@BlueBubble.UK.Com>s   Jonathan Boswell wrote:    > Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:L > > No, I wasn't aware that I should turn off XFC. I started the VMS upgradeI > > after XFC ECO came out and I never ran VMS V7.3 without it. I did seea >nR > Ha!  Before applying this patch, I could crash individual Alphas simply by doingP > a BACKUP.  After applying this patch, my whole cluster would erroneously thinkL > it lost quorum and permanently hang at the most inopportune times, such asP > rebooting a single voting member.  Most annoying.  I have been forced again to > disable the XFC.  D How did XFC manage to pass QA if it's as dodgy as it appears to be ?K Surely it was (very, very, very) stress-tested before release (Ian Percivalw- does come across as thoroughly competent ...)e  G Shades of Spiralog ?  Is it the British connection that's the albatrossw round the neck ?  	 Roy Omondm Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.554 ************************