1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 06 Oct 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 556       Contents:* Re: Anyone found a use for LNM$SYSCLUSTER?% DCPS and IP_RawTCP (Telenet printing)  Re: Free VAX 3400  Re: Free VAX 3400  Re: Itanium and OpenVMS   Re: Microsoft Reliability At MSN  Re: Microsoft Reliability At MSN  Re: Microsoft Reliability At MSNG Re: OpenVMS Fundamenalists was (Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacy)  Re: Pathworks on Win2000! QU: Voluntarily giving up the CPU  Re: VAX disaster tolerance& Re: VAXstation 4000/96 memory question Re: WP 5.1+ Docs Re: WP 5.1+ Docs Re: WP 5.1+ Docs  Re: [LYRIS] OpenVMS Patches List  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2001 02:04:39 -0700 O From: jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Marchal?=) 3 Subject: Re: Anyone found a use for LNM$SYSCLUSTER? = Message-ID: <6bc20ab7.0110060104.2b91bcd3@posting.google.com>   k hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<VZMs7.736$YP.22192@news.cpqcorp.net>... j > In article <FpKIqu9LE8Ie@eisner.encompasserve.org>, cochrane@encompasserve.org (Arthur Cochrane) writes:   <...>  > K > :    I also wish there was a VMS_COMMON logical in the SYS$SYSROOT search J > :    list. This would be empty on a fresh install and the system managerJ > :    would use to create the necessary procedures to boot and manage theD > :    system. (Also, a SYS_MANAGER, SYS_SYSTEM, SYS_HELP, etc.) ... > I >   Locally, we simply create and use a third root behind the SYS$SYSROOT K >   definition, specifically CLU$COMMON:.  We've discussed directly adding  K >   this into OpenVMS (rather than implementing it locally), but there are  $ >   presently no plans in this area. > G >   I typically use a collection of "runt" files, each of which simply  G >   chains to the equivilent file in the common area.  This requires no D >   changes to anything, is fully supported, and works quite nicely.  * When (where) does SYS$SYSROOT be defined ?P So when and how would it be wise to redefine SYS$SYSROOT to include a 3rd root ?   Jean-Franois Marchal  X9000 - LYON (FR)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 09:55:00 -0400 - From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com> . Subject: DCPS and IP_RawTCP (Telenet printing), Message-ID: <3BBF0D34.EBCBCC80@peoplepc.com>  O DCPS supports printing to a TCP/IP port (what I call Telnet printing).  On most Q printers (HP at least) it is port 9100.  This done by setting P2 for the queue in G question to "IP_RawTCP/node.name:port" in SYS$STARTUP:DCPS$STARTUP.COM.   P My question is, is there any type of protocol that is used on this port or is itR strictly a "one way communication".  If there is a protocol, what is it called andO where is it documented.  If there is no protocol, then is there any way for the O printer to tell VMS if it is out of paper or needs toner, etc. other that using   osmosis on the "stalled" status.     --    
 Jack Patteeuw    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2001 07:12:05 GMT - From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)  Subject: Re: Free VAX 34005 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-pnZdhFXWoHUJ@localhost>   E On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:36:18, Joe Heimann <heimann@nog.ecs.umass.edu>   wrote:  + > Jack Peacock <peacock@simconv.com> wrote: N > > A customer came by the other day and gave us an old MicroVAX 3400 that hadD > > been gathering dust in their warehouse.  The info I have is 28MBM > > (16MB+8MB+4MB onboard), DSSI disks (400MB system disk, 1GB in an extra BA P > > expansion box), CXY serial boards with octopus cables (not sure if 8 or 16),N > > a SCSI tape controller and VT320 console.  It's dusty but was running when> > > shut down about 2 years ago.  No software and no warranty. > O > > There are a few miscellaneous parts with it:  a DELNI, two VXT terminals in P > > unknown condition (just tested, they did power up and load the VXT software,P > > both have 16MB), and whatever else is in the boxes from the warehouse, looks; > > like some beat up printers and a nice RJ45 patch panel.  > M > > The deal is you haul it away, from Las Vegas Nevada.  Send me an email if  > > you are interested.  > >    Jack Peacock  > > peacock@simconv.com  > J > Darn, you're on the wrong side of the country....  Hope you get a taker. >  >  Joe Heimann >  > heimann@ecs.umass.edu  >   % Make that wrong side of the ocean....    Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 10:59:03 +0200 * From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il> Subject: Re: Free VAX 3400* Message-ID: <3BBEC7D7.8040602@tzora.co.il>   Dave Weatherall wrote:  G > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:36:18, Joe Heimann <heimann@nog.ecs.umass.edu>   > wrote: >  > + >>Jack Peacock <peacock@simconv.com> wrote:  >>M >>>A customer came by the other day and gave us an old MicroVAX 3400 that had C >>>been gathering dust in their warehouse.  The info I have is 28MB L >>>(16MB+8MB+4MB onboard), DSSI disks (400MB system disk, 1GB in an extra BAO >>>expansion box), CXY serial boards with octopus cables (not sure if 8 or 16), M >>>a SCSI tape controller and VT320 console.  It's dusty but was running when = >>>shut down about 2 years ago.  No software and no warranty.  >>> N >>>There are a few miscellaneous parts with it:  a DELNI, two VXT terminals inO >>>unknown condition (just tested, they did power up and load the VXT software, O >>>both have 16MB), and whatever else is in the boxes from the warehouse, looks : >>>like some beat up printers and a nice RJ45 patch panel. >>> L >>>The deal is you haul it away, from Las Vegas Nevada.  Send me an email if >>>you are interested. >>>   Jack Peacock >>>peacock@simconv.com >>> J >>Darn, you're on the wrong side of the country....  Hope you get a taker. >> >> Joe Heimann >> >>heimann@ecs.umass.edu  >> >> > ' > Make that wrong side of the ocean....  >  > Cheers - Dave. >    ...the world?? --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- ; Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not  
 even that.? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* / Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice   (home):(972)-2-99083377    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes   another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 14:10:01 GMT . From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com>  Subject: Re: Itanium and OpenVMS= Message-ID: <ZgEv7.36286$Pr1.10137604@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>   8 Bob Koehler <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:fpLh6lzS+hv+@eisner.encompasserve.org...  : F >    I could go on and on, but there's a hell of a lot more to sharing' >    code than just the same processor.   I Well, fortunately for the virus writers, it appears that all IA64 systems I REQUIRE a FAT32 partition to boot from.  This should make it real easy to J write a cross-OS virus/trojan/malware progy that will now be able to claimI OpenVMS as a victim, too.  This should make MBR viruses look like toys...    See slide #5 at   L http://www.openvms.compaq.com/presentations/cets2001/cets2001-1884_vmsipf.ht m   H Hey, Sweep will finally be able to include VMS viruses in the list alongG with Windows, UNIX, DOS, Novel, Palm, and all the rest!  VMS will truly  become an equal... *sigh*    Aaron  --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html  2 "I fear all we have done is waken a sleeping giant+      and fill him with a terrible resolve." '       Japanese Admiral Isoruku Yamamoto '       after the bombing of Pearl Harbor   < Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 07:13:23 GMT " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>) Subject: Re: Microsoft Reliability At MSN + Message-ID: <3BBEB045.F4A65BB8@cumulus.com>    Jerry Leslie wrote:  > K > The attached article indicates how unreliable Microsoft operating systems J > are. But the PHBs keep buying the stuff, although this may indicate some > ray of hope: > : >   http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2096347,00.htmlF >   ZDNet |UK| - News - Story - Windows fails to storm the data centre > 6 > --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)P > ==============================================================================G > Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc, K > comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.misc , > From: justsayno2nt <justsayno2nt@here.com>( > Subject: Re: Reasons for using Windows- > X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e232061.rtn.boeing.com , > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii* > Message-ID: <3B559E01.120AA8E4@here.com>8 > Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access)! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " > Organization: The Boeing Company > X-Accept-Language: en  > References: <cd199975.0107100611.1c1a0373@posting.google.com>  <3B5307EE.27739B73@here.com> <3B531DB1.EFA57A6F@mediaone.net> <2E/U7wEqqeTN092yn@home.com> <3B543030.421E8B46@mediaone.net> <3g357.41335$C81.3460561@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  > Mime-Version: 1.0 % > Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:32:33 GMT = > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit  (Win98; U)  > Lines: 19  >  > > H > > Speaking of wallowing in ignorance, what happened when MS decided toH > > run Hotmail on "the best, most advanced, OS and software developmentF > > environment on the planet"? Seems this "advanced" OS just couldn't > > take the load. > >  > >         Jerry  > E > Glad, you brought that up! There is nothing like a real world test.  > D > I once interviewed a guy for a programming position whose previousB > job was an NT sysadmin for MSN. He said every one had to carry aE > beeper and respond immediately to to server problems. The reason he B > wanted to leave was that the meantime between failure of any oneC > NT server in the network was a couple of minutes. In other words, B > his beeper was going off constantly. He told me that his manager@ > threaten to fire any of them immediately if they leaked to the/ > press about how unstable the MSN network was.    Can I borrow this post Jerry??   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 11:48:07 -0400 ' From: Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org> ) Subject: Re: Microsoft Reliability At MSN , Message-ID: <3BBF27B7.AF2524AB@ui.urban.org>  F Have you seen Gartner's advice to drop IIS because of all the security problems? See for example:0 http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2001/0925msiis.html   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/) ' Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/) . ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 09:33:07 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> ) Subject: Re: Microsoft Reliability At MSN ) Message-ID: <3BBF3243.C40F4AC2@rdrop.com>    Jim Becker wrote:  > H > Have you seen Gartner's advice to drop IIS because of all the security > problems? See for example:2 > http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2001/0925msiis.html  5 Yep.  Seen Microsoft's "reply"- a tool to harden IIS?   1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/22027.html   -    "Never let it be said that Redmond doesn't 5     respond swiftly to repeated, gross humiliations."    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 15:38:09 GMT ( From: Tom Dockray <tfd@bellatlantic.net>P Subject: Re: OpenVMS Fundamenalists was (Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacy)8 Message-ID: <h76urtgdu4fqjb6purfnja3uph0ofhddgg@4ax.com>  6 On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:03:39 -0700 (PDT), Fabio Cardoso! <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:   4 >What I know about Iranians is they are nice people,0 >despite their religious government. What is the7 >real different of a religious or democratic gov - both  >of them f... the people !!! [snip]  E Just this morning I was reading the syndicated column of E.J. Dionne. B In it he quotes a theologian named Reinhold Nieburhr who, in 1940, wrote:  8 	"Whatever may be the moral ambiguities of the so-calledE demoratic nations and however serious may be their failure to conform E perfectly to their democratic ideals, it is sheer moral perversity to @ equate the inconsistencies of a democratic civilization with the5 brutalities which modern tyrannical states practice."      Can't really improve on that.    --   Tom Dockray  Dockray Consulting& Voice: 610-356-0624  FAX: 610-356-6824% http://members.bellatlantic.net/~tfd/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 13:09:54 -04003 From: "Brad McCusker" <Brad.McCuskerSP@Mcompaq.com> ! Subject: Re: Pathworks on Win2000 / Message-ID: <U_Gv7.63$RL6.195@news.cpqcorp.net>   < "Chris Townley" <news@townleyc.demon.co.uk> wrote in message< news:1002240776.11992.0.nnrp-13.d4e45fa5@news.demon.co.uk...@ > "Brad McCusker" <Brad.McCuskerSP@Mcompaq.com> wrote in message. > news:rC4v7.1108$YP.26210@news.cpqcorp.net...6 > > PATHWORKS 32 V7.2 absolutely supports Windows2000. > > L > > Lastly, as someone else said, be sure you really even need to use clientD > > based licensing.  Unless your clients are connecting to multiple	 different H > > servers, you should use server based licensing (turn off the license? > > server).  No need for any software at all on the Win2K box.  > G > However without a local license you cannot map a drive. This is major  > shortfall. >    Chris -   L Your statement may or may not be correct, depends on how you have set things up.   K I can say for certain though that what you said does not _have_ to be true.   K The PWLMXXXCA0*.** license can be used as either client based (per seat) or K server based (per server).  Most of you discussion indicates you are trying L to use that license on that client as a client based license.  Others in theI string are trying to tell you to try to use it as a server based license.   @ If the client in question needs to connect to multiple differentJ PATHWORKS/AdvSer OpenVMS Servers, then, it probably makes sense to use theG license as a client based license.  If it is only connecting to the one 8 PW/AS server, then by all means, use it as server based.  F Cleint based licensing requires that somewhere on your network you areE running the license server, and it also requires that you have client I license requestor bits running on your client.  Client based licensing is G more complicated, and should only be used by those that really need it.   J Server based licensing is simple.  Load the PAK in LMF, be sure to not runE the license server, and presto, you are done.  The client attempts to K connect, we may or may not try to verify a license on the client, but, when C the license verifcation fails, we'll assign one of the server based I licenses, and away you go, happily mapping shares with a reliability only  dreamed about in Redmond ;^)   HTH    Regards,   Brad                 > -- > Chris  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 03:17:52 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> * Subject: QU: Voluntarily giving up the CPU/ Message-ID: <3BBF43C8.58E2A30F@wasd.vsm.com.au>   H When programming I would like to be able to say "go ahead reschedule, myG process can wait".  I do not wish to $HIBER or $SCHDWK or interupt flow B of execution or the stack at all, just give the scheduler a chanceD before my quantum expires.  The equivalent of the wait state enteredE during I/O spings to mind.  This is in the context of a CPU-intensive C poll (sort of spinlock arrangement), for the *occasional* very long C period (tens of milliseconds, usually very brief) this might reduce D wasted cycles (of course it may not, that what the test-bench is for :^).   As always TIA.   --  # Non sinere illegitamus carborundum.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2001 07:12:04 GMT - From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) # Subject: Re: VAX disaster tolerance 5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-nmgpWEctIddP@localhost>   F On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:00:33, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>  wrote:   > Well > 5 > I just gave an example of a 1U VAX - I was thinking 6 > in the possibilities to integrate in the same mother3 > board, ethernet, scsi, and all the I/O interfaces  > needed for VAXes.  >  <snip>  E Well the KAV-30/AMX400 are VAXen on a single slot VME board. It runs e> VAX/ELN and not VMS. There were a lot sold and there are some F companies (mine included) would like some more. But there are no more = Vax 4000 chips so they can't be made anymore and we're stuck.s  F So you're right, it would have been possible (the disks might not have fitted in the 1U though)    Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 17:02:41 GMT - From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@home.com>// Subject: Re: VAXstation 4000/96 memory question ( Message-ID: <3BBF3930.487CCA44@home.com>   Dan Foster wrote:- > 	 > Howdy --F >         I've got a VAXstation 4000/96, sans any manuals. I currentlyH > have 64 MB in it via 4 80-pin SIMMs. It has slots for 8, and I believe* > I've heard the maximum is 128 MB of RAM. > E >         What kind of SIMMs? MS44-DC? Is that a set of 4 16MB SIMMs?@E > A local reseller is quoting a MS44-DC for $100, but I'm not sure ifoE > that's the correct part for a /96 because I've only seen referencesc> > for that with the MV 3100-40/80/90 and VS 4000-60/90 series.  J Check eBay right now.  There is some MS44-DC RAM up for bid right now.  It is currently only US$26...  B 	http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1280712351  L I just happened to be looking for someone who has a 4000/90.  I found in theE Compaq SOC where the 4000/96 uses this part number.  The SOC is stillSM on-line under the Compaq web pages, but you have to look around.  I could notnI find the entry for the 4000/90 to confirm this RAM is OK for it too... :(s   Regards, Rick   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 13:21:56 GMTe1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au>  Subject: Re: WP 5.1+ Docsi6 Message-ID: <UzDv7.1$te.602167@nostril.pacific.net.au>  6 Christopher Jovais <cjovais@radiology.ucsf.edu> wrote: > Hello,  ? > I have a Canadian friend who is looking for documentation forhJ > WordPerfect for OpenVMS V5.1+.  She needs the System Manager's Guide andJ > the Reference manual in particular but if you have more she'll take thatF > as well.  Anyone have and wish to unload some old documentation?  Of# > course she'll pay for shipping...e   	Hello,e  @ 	I got a "WordPerfect for VAX/VMS Systems" manual, the Reference= 	part of it. It is in a nice grey hardcover binder + its box,rE 	plus a plastic keyboard cover ( with all the functions in nice colore
 	marked )./ 	It says inside "Version 5.0", printed in 1990.r 	Code : MNUSVWP50 - 3/90  = 	I think that this might be helpful for her, if she wants it.  	Contact me if interested...  B 	P.S. : For other people, if someone wants some cheap hardware for= 	hobbyist systems, especially Vaxstation 3100 and DEC AXP 150d> 	( Jensen ) parts, I could part with some, as I collected more% 	stuff that I can use at this moment. 8 	Also I have some old VMS manuals as well...let me know.   					Cheers,    Csabae  I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------aE    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehogaE    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.WI    ----------------------------------------------------------------------c;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:>   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 14:18:11 +01003! From: Andy Burns <andy@burns.net>s Subject: Re: WP 5.1+ Docsi8 Message-ID: <b31urt8r5rvb34nnri2dg6jlbslql7nena@4ax.com>  @ On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 00:25:06 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote:n  H >Why doesn't she just contact the folks responsible for WordPerfect for @ >OpenVMS and ask them for the documentation she'd like or needs?  5 wasn't the last owner ASPIRE or something like that ?e         -- h
 Andy Burns   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 15:33:32 GMTw* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> Subject: Re: WP 5.1+ DocseB Message-ID: <gvFv7.118940$hh.10408134@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  . "Andy Burns" <andy@burns.net> wrote in message2 news:b31urt8r5rvb34nnri2dg6jlbslql7nena@4ax.com...B > On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 00:25:06 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian! > Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote:n >oE > >Why doesn't she just contact the folks responsible for WordPerfect  forHB > >OpenVMS and ask them for the documentation she'd like or needs? > 7 > wasn't the last owner ASPIRE or something like that ?-   Try Legacy Technologies:       http://www.legacytech.net/  ; Somehow they started out at Spire which spun off stuff likeg WordperfectD= to another company which THEN spun off the software it had to D Legacy Tech which at this point still exists...... no idea about who> did what to whom other than watching the name changes over the last 7 years.....h   -Andy-   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 17:07:02 GMTh- From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@home.com>6) Subject: Re: [LYRIS] OpenVMS Patches Liste( Message-ID: <3BBF3A34.7FE19899@home.com>   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > Y > In article <3bb3abc4$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:yZ > >In article <3bb3ab21$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:G > >>At earlier times I got emails of a mailing-list (in fact 2 of them:nG > >>openvms-patches and security) after adding myself to this lists via  > >>J > >>Appearantly these lists are silent for quite some time now (at least IH > >>didn't get anything) and the above link is also no longer reachable. > >  > >It's now  > >uB > >       http://www.support.compaq.com/patches/mailing-list.shtml > >t > >One problem solved ;-)k >  > And the other one, too. 3 > I've just received a mail from the security list.H > K > And the VMS list was really (almost) silent during Sep (I was on vacation L > the whole Aug) and so I got this feeling. Maybe I should collect the mails' > just to check again before posting...- >  > So, many thanks to all.-( > Seems the problem was only my mind ;-)  F 	I would not agree.  The "New Patches" web page listed two patches forM v7.2-1 that I never got informed about.  MAIL and LAT.  There are several forVK v7.3 and others.  All dated past 10 Sep, yet I too have not gotten anythinge from the mailing list.  B 	Has anyone yet today (6 Oct) gotten a patch announcement from the  OpenVMS Patch list since 10 Sep?   Regards, Rick   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.556 ************************