1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 07 Oct 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 557       Contents: BACKUP trouble.... Re: BACKUP trouble....! Compaq announces DET breakthrough % Re: Compaq announces DET breakthrough - Re: DLT IV Tapes - How long should they last? ( Free Quick Reference Cards in PDF formatP Re: I WILL QUIT USING VMS WHEN THE MILITARY DOES - IN 2015 OR MAYBE LONGER! LONG& Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacy& Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacy& Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacy- My system will not boot properly 6.2 on 3100. 1 Re: My system will not boot properly 6.2 on 3100. 1 Re: My system will not boot properly 6.2 on 3100. 1 Re: My system will not boot properly 6.2 on 3100. 1 Re: My system will not boot properly 6.2 on 3100.  Re: Pathworks on Win2000= Re: PC164, OVMS7.2, isacfg and graphic cards (MACH64, S3 968) " Re: Public domain VMS clustering ?% VMS ad in Dutch magazine 'Computable' ) Re: VMS ad in Dutch magazine 'Computable'  Re: VMS<->Tru64  Re: VMS<->Tru64  Re: VMS<->Tru64   Re: [LYRIS] OpenVMS Patches List  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2001 15:09:37 -0700 ( From: catsoup57@hotmail.com (Chris Hale) Subject: BACKUP trouble.... < Message-ID: <8155f86.0110061409.530d122a@posting.google.com>   Hi all,   F Im trying to do something quite simple... well I thought it was simple anyway!   C I have a directory structure below SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.CHRIS.HTTPD] 7 which I want to move onto another node into DKC0:[WWW].   ; So I set def into SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.CHRIS.HTTPD], and do:   ' $ backup/log [...]*.* [-]httpd.sav/sav    F then ftp this to the other node, and (after running fix_save.exe) run:   $ set def dkc0:[www] $ backup httpd.sav/sav [...]  C I have a feeling that the VMS experts amungst you will already have 8 realised what happens. Its trying to resore the files to& [000000.SYSMGR.CHRIS.HTTPD.BASE_CODE].  > I have tried various ways of creating the save set to lose theD absolute directory path, but to no avail! How do I create a save set< storing only the directory path info relative to the current
 directory?   Cheers.   
 Chris Hale   ------------------------------    Date: 07 Oct 2001 08:45:40 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: BACKUP trouble.... - Message-ID: <87ofnktgzv.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   * catsoup57@hotmail.com (Chris Hale) writes:  E > I have a feeling that the VMS experts amungst you will already have : > realised what happens. Its trying to resore the files to( > [000000.SYSMGR.CHRIS.HTTPD.BASE_CODE].  @ > I have tried various ways of creating the save set to lose theF > absolute directory path, but to no avail! How do I create a save set> > storing only the directory path info relative to the current > directory?  B If you have already restored the files, just re-name the directoryB you want to where you want it. Or consider it a good excuse to get CSWING and install it ;)   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 18:46:20 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> * Subject: Compaq announces DET breakthrough, Message-ID: <3BBF89A9.E91F7FDE@videotron.ca>  N HOUSTON, Oct. 6 /PRSpinwire/ -- Compaq Computer Corporation (NYSE: CPQ - news)M will announce tomorrow a significant advance in computer and operating system 2 technology called DET - Dynamic Endian Technology.  G This technology, developped in conjunction with Redmond based Microsoft N (NASDAQ: MSFT) and Intel (NASDAQ: INTC), will greatly improve the openness andK compatibility of Microsoft's Windows enterprise operating system with other L operating systems in Compaq's product protfolio. This increased synergy willQ give Compaq an unprecedented industry leadership in the enterprise server market.   K This technology will first be implemented on Compaq's AlphaServer operating L systems and later ported to Intel's Itanium as part of Compaq's architectureI simplification initiative. It will also be key to help the integration of T Compaq's product lines with Hewlett Packard's when the proposed merger is finalised.  F Dynamic Endian Technology will eventually allow an operating system toN dynamically change its endianness without requiring a reboot or any changes in7 software. The goals will be achieved in 3 major phases.   K Phase 1- Implementation in the GS series Alphaservers. Different partitions N will be able to boot with the endianness of their choice while maintaining the9 ability to share some memory blocks between OS instances.   M Phase 2-Dynamically selectable endianness at the OS instance level.  With the H introduction of the EV7 chip, an instance of the operating system on anyI single or multi CPU Alpha server, including the GS series will be able to L dynamically change its endianness without a reboot. Systems services will beM added to allow a sufficiently priviledged process to change the endianness of  the operating system.   K 3-Dynamically selectable endianness at the process level. Each process will L have the ability to dynamically change its endianness. Systems services willN be provided to allow a process to change the endianness of another process butK not to inquire about its current status. This will provide not only best of M breed in versatility, but also provide incredible level of security since one O process' data will appear as jibberish to another process trying to access it.    K This breakthough will bring incredible value to not only security conscious D customers such as the military but also to customers such as lotteryI corporations for whom the ability of a process to randomly change another L process' endianness will provide truly unpredictable results. As part of itsH managed facilities services, Compaq may also allow third parties such asF Microsoft to remotely manage the endianness of individual processes onN non-Windows operating systems via the internet, thus relieving system managers from many time consuming tasks.   H These and other upcoming initiatives will make Compaq's Proliant serversL running Microsoft's Windows operating system look far more robust and secureF than they really are, and inject some new energy into the older legacyG operatings systems to bring them to the same levels of realiability and > availability  as Microsoft's leading enterprise-ready Windows.     About Compaq  H   Founded in 1982, Compaq Computer Corporation ("Compaq") was a bleedingP   global wannabe provider of enterprise technology and solutions. Information onL   Compaq and its products and services is available at http://www.compaq.com  F Notes: Compaq and the Compaq logo are trademarks of Compaq InformationN Technologies Group, L.P. Product names mentioned herein may be trademarks and/J or registered trademarks of their respective companies. This press releaseD contains too many forward-looking statements based on current overly@ optimistic expectations that involve a great number of risks andK uncertainties. The potential risks and uncertainties that will cause actual N results to differ significantly include: worsening global economic conditions,M broken commitments and uncertainty, disruptions related to the phone ringing, I liquidation of Compaq's few profitable products, liquidation of the whole G company and the expected failure in the expansion of Compaq's solutions K business model. Further information on these factors and other factors that N could affect Compaq's financial results is included in Compaq's Securities andM Exchange Commission (SEC) filings, including the latest Annual Report on Form + 10-K and the Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 00:34:56 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>. Subject: Re: Compaq announces DET breakthroughB Message-ID: <QqNv7.122640$hh.10856866@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  K Very well done indeed:  for at least a while (up until 'Phase 2', where the I explicit exposition made it harder to discount the dynamic endian-flip at I the OS level as reporting confusion about a simple ability to run a given E process in other-endian mode) I found it at least sort-of believable.    - bill  8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3BBF89A9.E91F7FDE@videotron.ca...J > HOUSTON, Oct. 6 /PRSpinwire/ -- Compaq Computer Corporation (NYSE: CPQ - news) H > will announce tomorrow a significant advance in computer and operating system4 > technology called DET - Dynamic Endian Technology. > I > This technology, developped in conjunction with Redmond based Microsoft L > (NASDAQ: MSFT) and Intel (NASDAQ: INTC), will greatly improve the openness and G > compatibility of Microsoft's Windows enterprise operating system with  other I > operating systems in Compaq's product protfolio. This increased synergy  willK > give Compaq an unprecedented industry leadership in the enterprise server  market.  > C > This technology will first be implemented on Compaq's AlphaServer 	 operating A > systems and later ported to Intel's Itanium as part of Compaq's  architectureK > simplification initiative. It will also be key to help the integration of K > Compaq's product lines with Hewlett Packard's when the proposed merger is 
 finalised. > H > Dynamic Endian Technology will eventually allow an operating system toE > dynamically change its endianness without requiring a reboot or any 
 changes in9 > software. The goals will be achieved in 3 major phases.  > B > Phase 1- Implementation in the GS series Alphaservers. Different
 partitionsL > will be able to boot with the endianness of their choice while maintaining the ; > ability to share some memory blocks between OS instances.  > K > Phase 2-Dynamically selectable endianness at the OS instance level.  With  the J > introduction of the EV7 chip, an instance of the operating system on anyK > single or multi CPU Alpha server, including the GS series will be able to K > dynamically change its endianness without a reboot. Systems services will  beL > added to allow a sufficiently priviledged process to change the endianness of > the operating system.  > H > 3-Dynamically selectable endianness at the process level. Each process willI > have the ability to dynamically change its endianness. Systems services  willL > be provided to allow a process to change the endianness of another process but J > not to inquire about its current status. This will provide not only best ofK > breed in versatility, but also provide incredible level of security since  one L > process' data will appear as jibberish to another process trying to access it.  > C > This breakthough will bring incredible value to not only security 	 conscious F > customers such as the military but also to customers such as lotteryK > corporations for whom the ability of a process to randomly change another J > process' endianness will provide truly unpredictable results. As part of its J > managed facilities services, Compaq may also allow third parties such asH > Microsoft to remotely manage the endianness of individual processes onG > non-Windows operating systems via the internet, thus relieving system  managers! > from many time consuming tasks.  > J > These and other upcoming initiatives will make Compaq's Proliant serversG > running Microsoft's Windows operating system look far more robust and  secureH > than they really are, and inject some new energy into the older legacyI > operatings systems to bring them to the same levels of realiability and @ > availability  as Microsoft's leading enterprise-ready Windows. >  >  > About Compaq > J >   Founded in 1982, Compaq Computer Corporation ("Compaq") was a bleedingC >   global wannabe provider of enterprise technology and solutions.  Information on8 >   Compaq and its products and services is available at http://www.compaq.com  > H > Notes: Compaq and the Compaq logo are trademarks of Compaq InformationK > Technologies Group, L.P. Product names mentioned herein may be trademarks  and/L > or registered trademarks of their respective companies. This press releaseF > contains too many forward-looking statements based on current overlyB > optimistic expectations that involve a great number of risks andF > uncertainties. The potential risks and uncertainties that will cause actualD > results to differ significantly include: worsening global economic conditions, F > broken commitments and uncertainty, disruptions related to the phone ringing,K > liquidation of Compaq's few profitable products, liquidation of the whole I > company and the expected failure in the expansion of Compaq's solutions H > business model. Further information on these factors and other factors thatL > could affect Compaq's financial results is included in Compaq's Securities and J > Exchange Commission (SEC) filings, including the latest Annual Report on Form- > 10-K and the Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 03:11:07 GMT , From: "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.com>6 Subject: Re: DLT IV Tapes - How long should they last?< Message-ID: <fJPv7.28878$Kp2.14894386@typhoon.austin.rr.com>  O In message <5d328ddf.0110020107.3e82672b@posting.google.com>, mpatt@bigfoot.com  (Mal) wrote:: > "Todd Nelson" <toddnelson_@hotmail.com> wrote in message+ news:<trgk8o9mbg3353@corp.supernews.com>...  >  > J > > We do use cleaning tapes regularly --> not just when the yellow blinky light 
 > > comes on.  > >  > D > If I remember correctly you're NOT supposed to do this, aren't theG > cleaning tapes mildly abrasive? therefore you can end up rubbing away ? > the tape heads, and then you get loads of tape errors........  > H > I would go with what everyone else says, buy another brand of tape and > do some stress tests.  > G > Also you might want to start tracking which drive the tapes are being 5 > read/written on, as that might point at some clues.   M But every time the yellow blinky light comes on during backup, I get a parity K error on the tape and backup stops.  So is a bad tape making the light come I on or is the fact that the drive needs cleaned causing the parity error?  L If the latter, then I'd say a regular cleaning cycle would be best.  As thisF has only occured on my ancient III tapes (being phased out as money is* available) I'm leaning towards the former.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 20:16:52 GMT G From: "free quick reference cards for linux" <post@quickreferences.com> 1 Subject: Free Quick Reference Cards in PDF format > Message-ID: <UEJv7.89873$6x5.19842503@afrodite.telenet-ops.be>  C The Quick Reference Site - Free Quick Reference Cards in PDF format   I The purpose of this site is to become the biggest resource for free Quick ; Reference Cards on the net. It also has a section with free B e-books (all IT-related). They all are in PDF format and sorted byN category. Many of them are very usefull for both LINUX/UNIX and Windows users.  $ http://www.quickreferences.yucom.be/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 21:59:45 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> Y Subject: Re: I WILL QUIT USING VMS WHEN THE MILITARY DOES - IN 2015 OR MAYBE LONGER! LONG * Message-ID: <3BBF70C0.609D3BA4@virgin.net>   Sue Skonetski wrote:   > Alan,  >  > I did  >  > Sue  >   	 Thanks :)  --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 18:43:44 GMT 3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> / Subject: Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacy / Message-ID: <3BBF5077.4789FBAE@cableinet.co.uk>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > g > In article <3BBE0B22.F6BEA18D@cableinet.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> writes:  > >  > >  > > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > >  " > >>P > >> "Effective transitional and migration to Microsoft environments (from VMS)"P > >> is an oxymoron. Just ask the US Veterans Administration and others who have > >> come back to VMS. > > C > > We shouldn't have to ask them, we should be told, by COmpaq/HP.  > B > Divulging customer confidences is not the way to keep customers.  G OK you ask their permission first. Anyway, surely they should be sueingn the D consultants or resellers or whoever pushed an unworkable solution at themB in the first place. Ah, that would have been Digital. What a mess.  / > Governments are very fussy about such things.   G > Remember, there are a lot of taxpayers ready to ask probing questions E > like "why did they waste our money on unproven technology like NT?"y  G There are a lot of things a lot of taxpayers are unhappy about funding.sB Anyway, are you saying the current "status quo" in IT doesn't need shaking down? I am surprised.    regardsi   -- b Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  a  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of 4! my employers or service provider.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 17:12:19 -0400a/ From: "Joseph B. Gurman" <gurman@crosslink.net>r/ Subject: Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacye= Message-ID: <gurman-86A881.17121906102001@news.crosslink.net>-  0 In article <3BBF5077.4789FBAE@cableinet.co.uk>, $ tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk wrote:   > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > B > > In article <3BBE0B22.F6BEA18D@cableinet.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn + > > <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> writes:p > > >e > > >o > > > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > > >  " > > >>G > > >> "Effective transitional and migration to Microsoft environments t > > >> (from VMS)"J > > >> is an oxymoron. Just ask the US Veterans Administration and others  > > >> who have[ > > >> come back to VMS. > > >nE > > > We shouldn't have to ask them, we should be told, by COmpaq/HP.  > > D > > Divulging customer confidences is not the way to keep customers. > I > OK you ask their permission first. Anyway, surely they should be sueing  > the F > consultants or resellers or whoever pushed an unworkable solution at > themD > in the first place. Ah, that would have been Digital. What a mess. > 1 > > Governments are very fussy about such things.t   [snip]  G Well, we (a small group at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center) get asked  E frequently by vendors whose solutions we use to do "user experience" rG stories. It is possible to do so, and even say what you like about the .< vendors and their products, without actually endorsing them.  @     If it weren't, there wouldn't be may advertising to support:      http://www.fcw.com/   and similar publications.a  D     I would love to see Compaq advertise how customers are dropping H <insert Micro$oft product name here> in favor of OpenVMS, but I suspect @ the Q has a "speak no evil" deal with the Sith Lords in Redmond.  D     And meanwhile, in the real world, Code Red and its variants run I rampant, making life miserable even for thos enot clueless enough to run eI IIS unpatched (while blissfully unaware that they even have a Web server  	 running).I  	     Sigh,l                     Joe Gurman   ------------------------------    Date: 07 Oct 2001 07:45:48 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>/ Subject: Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacy0- Message-ID: <87wv28tjrn.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  1 "Joseph B. Gurman" <gurman@crosslink.net> writes:b  < > > > > We shouldn't have to ask them, we should be told, by > > > > COmpaq/HP.  F > > > Divulging customer confidences is not the way to keep customers.  D A luverlyy bit of case law here is, if you use a customer reference,@ it must be a full and non-misleading disclosure.  So if you usedB a site that migrated back, you would have to say so or be done for# 'misleading and deceptive conduct'.h  > BTW, folks may be interested in the articles on TheRegister or@ over at theinquirer (and probably at /. and most everywhere elseB by now) about a Finish city chocking at the cost of XP and looking at StarOffice.       -- o< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.y@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 16:26:20 -0400i% From: Paul Bailey <paulb@america.net>t6 Subject: My system will not boot properly 6.2 on 3100.+ Message-ID: <3BBF68EC.CCD0C295@america.net>   A I have nerver read or posted to this group but would appreciate aaH dialoge with anyone who can help me at this point. It seems that TuesdayF is the firt time I can get help form our support people. Tuesday seems	 far away.h  ) During the boot procedure it stops duringe  # executing site specific proceeduresb     Please help me if you can.     Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 17:22:50 -0400i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>d: Subject: Re: My system will not boot properly 6.2 on 3100.* Message-ID: <3BBF761D.3FC376@videotron.ca>   Paul Bailey wrote:+ > During the boot procedure it stops durings > % > executing site specific proceeduresi >  > Please help me if you can.    N You need to provide more information. What are the messages that are displayed just before the machine stops ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 17:35:21 -0400p% From: Paul Bailey <paulb@america.net>i: Subject: Re: My system will not boot properly 6.2 on 3100.* Message-ID: <3BBF7919.B927FAF@america.net>  8 It seems to stop as it is trying to turn off accounting.   The last command I can see isl   something like   accounting / disable      7 If you will tell me how to get more information I will.  Thank you very much!8 Will be glad to call you if you have time to speak also.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 19:07:18 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>c: Subject: Re: My system will not boot properly 6.2 on 3100., Message-ID: <3BBF8E90.D01C8CC5@videotron.ca>   Paul Bailey wrote: > : > It seems to stop as it is trying to turn off accounting.  , at the >>> prompt, type B/1 instead of Boot.  4 This will give you a SYSBOOT> prompt fairly quickly. SYSBOOT> SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN"p SYSBOOT> CONTINUE   K This will continue with the boot process but will bring up VMS in a minimal # configuration. (No decwindows etc).s  / If you have terminals connected , you can then:s	 MC SYSGENw SYSGEN> AUTOCONFIGURE ALL  SYSGEN> EXIT  L This will enable the terminal to login. You can the login and use the editor# to change/look at SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM   Z You may want to add $SET VERIFY  at the top of file to force it to display all statements.  C Look not only at the "accounting" command but at the line after it.i  * To get your system to boot normally after:
 $MC SYSGEN SYSGEN> USE CURRENTy SYSGEN> SET STARTUP_P1 ""  SYSGEN> WRITE CURRENTo SYSGEN> EXIT  5 You can then reboot the machine and see what goes on.a  N If you do not have a terminal, you may want to try to rename SYSTARTUP_VMS.COML to something else, then reset STARTUP_P1 to "" and reboot. That will get youL decwindows and you can then edit the file that used to be systartup_VMS.com,2 change it, and rename it back as SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM  ; ( you can also run it interactively as @SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM )n  N There are other methods available to debug the startup of the system, but I am= noty 100% sure if they are available at your version of VMS. n  : You may want to look at the ask the wizzard section on the  www.openvms.compaq.com web site.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 18:59:37 -0400n% From: Paul Bailey <paulb@america.net>s: Subject: Re: My system will not boot properly 6.2 on 3100.+ Message-ID: <3BBF8CD9.B6596EA6@america.net>   3 Thank you, I have printed your reply for reference.C  C I have a gentleman that is working on the phone with me. And we aree making headway.p   Thank you again, God Bless,t   Paul   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:06:40 +0200, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>! Subject: Re: Pathworks on Win2000a; Message-ID: <3bbf4929$0$19376$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl>8  > "Brad McCusker" <Brad.McCuskerSP@Mcompaq.com> wrote in message) news:U_Gv7.63$RL6.195@news.cpqcorp.net...  > 	     [...]e >sL > Server based licensing is simple.  Load the PAK in LMF, be sure to not runG > the license server, and presto, you are done.  The client attempts tohH > connect, we may or may not try to verify a license on the client, but, whenE > the license verifcation fails, we'll assign one of the server basedvK > licenses, and away you go, happily mapping shares with a reliability only  > dreamed about in Redmond ;^)   Hi Brad,  < Are you sure no one from sales or marketing is reading this?  2 Remember the OpenVMS home page from november 1998?   Regards,  	 Bart Zornp   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 23:59:06 +0200l& From: Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de>F Subject: Re: PC164, OVMS7.2, isacfg and graphic cards (MACH64, S3 968)$ Message-ID: <3BBF7EAA.6113@c-lab.de>   Island Computers wrote:c > L > You know - for a few bucks you can buy a cheap S3Trio64 1MB PCI Video Card  > which is enough for DECwindows >  > It's a hell of a lot easier !  >  > -- > David Turner  H That's probably the way I'll go. As the SYS$CONFIG.DAT uses explicit PCIC ids, I probably have to look exactly for a specific S3Trio64 brand,vA preferably with 2MB, haven't I? What model did you bundle in youru offers?w  H Still, I'd like to know what problem this ISA table stuff is caused by.    Thanks, Michael  -- e* Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de* Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany, Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 6060658 C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 03:43:41 GMTs! From: "ClaudeVMS" <unix@dev.null>n+ Subject: Re: Public domain VMS clustering ?h@ Message-ID: <NbQv7.44749$w62.28268855@news1.denver1.co.home.com>  3 "Roar Throns" <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote in messageO' news:9phojj$oo5$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no...c" > ClaudeVMS <unix@dev.null> wrote: > : Hey Hey Hey!!! >nH > I assume you have at least one VMS Internals and Data Structures book?  H I sure do!!! I have 4.4 internals book and the VAXCluster book by Roy G. Davis.' Both are full of interesting reading...r   >dC > : VMS specific "stuff" is making it into the public domain. Go to I > : http://www.freevms.org and you will see the projects I have uncovered  >lD > Why not use Mach as a basis? I think someone is trying to do that.> > (And maybe is thinking of running a F11*ACP (4.x-ish) there)  J I believe Digital looked into the Mach thing years ago. I think instead of starting with ground zeroeJ like Mach and building up one should start with FreeBSD or Linux and build up and down. EithercK give the project a strong base to slowly migrate into a more VMS like final  product.     >h3 > Some might say you may need a more detailed plan?  >o  L The devil is in the details. The 'NIX crowd Linux started and finished a lot faster than the VMSwI community could start a FreeVMS. The FREE hobbyist license I think took an loti' of wind out of the sales of the effort.s    6 > : that are in fact moving VMS features into Linux!!! >a& > Do not forget ftp.lp.se::[.free-vms]< > It has a string library (descriptors!) among other things. >o    Thanks!!! I'll add a link to it.     > What about security features?a > (See classifications atu8 > http://www.radium.ncsc.mil/tpep/epl/epl-by-class.html)/ > What about using http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/?r   Good idea!!!    H > (But as a start, cutting out /tmp and using string descriptors without. > null-terminations will probably help a lot?)   TRUE!!!s   >e > -Roar Thronst   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 22:46:21 +0200iB From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>. Subject: VMS ad in Dutch magazine 'Computable'7 Message-ID: <3BBF6D9D.14E8@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>s  7 There was a full page ad for a VMS seminar in the Dutchd5 magazine 'Computable'. You can find a scan of it at :c%  http://home.wanadoo.nl/erens/vms.jpg    -- l ME Posted by news://news.nb.nur   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 21:47:58 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>2 Subject: Re: VMS ad in Dutch magazine 'Computable'= Message-ID: <i_Kv7.88682$vq.16856120@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   G "Michiel Erens" <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid> wrote ini9 message news:3BBF6D9D.14E8@this.mailaddress.is.invalid...e9 > There was a full page ad for a VMS seminar in the Dutchi7 > magazine 'Computable'. You can find a scan of it at :d' >  http://home.wanadoo.nl/erens/vms.jpgp >e > -- > ME > Posted by news://news.nb.nur   And the agenda is at  > http://www.vxcompany.com/openvms/default.asp?url=programma.htm  ) A good opportunity to see Andy Goldstein.d   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:03:48 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: VMS<->Tru64( Message-ID: <9pngv8$ovl$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  < Not sure whether this will help you but on Linux the command    xhost +   allows me to do all I want..     Hans  5 Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message # news:3BBDBFC9.E404A113@gtech.com...nC > Question: if I need to display a Unix X app on a VMS work-stationg; > O just go to CDE "Style Manager" "Security" and opens form= > nodename/transport/username. But how do I do the same, if I@= > need to display a VMS X app on a Tru64 work-station ? Tru64lA > CDE does not have the "Security" option under "Style Manager" ! @ > I tried "man xauth", but I did not get much wiser ! Any help ? >e > Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 20:00:23 GMTe* From: cjt & trefoil <cheljuba@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: VMS<->Tru64+ Message-ID: <3BBF62B9.603D424A@prodigy.net>h  M Doesn't that also let pretty much anybody else do whatever they want to your t screen, too?   Hans Vlems wrote:h > > > Not sure whether this will help you but on Linux the command > 
 >  xhost + >  > allows me to do all I want.. >  > Hans > 7 > Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message % > news:3BBDBFC9.E404A113@gtech.com...uE > > Question: if I need to display a Unix X app on a VMS work-stations= > > O just go to CDE "Style Manager" "Security" and opens ford? > > nodename/transport/username. But how do I do the same, if Ie? > > need to display a VMS X app on a Tru64 work-station ? Tru64nC > > CDE does not have the "Security" option under "Style Manager" !iB > > I tried "man xauth", but I did not get much wiser ! Any help ? > >  > > Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:13:41 -0400( From: Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> Subject: Re: VMS<->Tru64B Message-ID: <20011006181244.G20985-100000@server2.cs.scranton.edu>  % On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Hans Vlems wrote:e  > > Not sure whether this will help you but on Linux the command > 
 >  xhost + >i > allows me to do all I want.. >e   And anybody else as well!!  : And then people blame Unix and X for the lack of security.   bill   -- mJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 19:00:05 GMT 3 From: sy18889@COYOTE.FMR.COM (Bradford J. Hamilton)C) Subject: Re: [LYRIS] OpenVMS Patches Listt1 Message-ID: <VwIv7.118$4W2.213@news-srv1.fmr.com>n   Hi Rick,  J I've received no patch announcements since before Sept. 11th.  I sent some: feedback to the mailing-list folks from the following URL:  , http://www.support.compaq.com/feedback.shtml  W (N.B. - this site is *only* useable with IE or Mozilla 0.9.4 - Netscape does not work!)t  Z I can tell you that the last great mailing list outage lasted from Spring to Fall of 2000.N I sent feedback a number of times via this mechanism, and got no satisfaction.  Y The problem was resolved shortly after a conversation with two very influential employees ! of COMPAQ at CETS2000 in L.A.	:-)o  Y I would suggest that all who are affected by the lack of a mailing list use the URL above ^ (many times!), and hope that the influential employees (not) mentioned above can pull whatever, strings necessary to help the process along.   Thanks,o
 Brad Hamilton ( (see sig appended for usual disclaimers)   X In article <3BBF3A34.7FE19899@home.com>, "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@home.com> writes: >Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:t >>  Z >> In article <3bb3abc4$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:[ >> >In article <3bb3ab21$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:rH >> >>At earlier times I got emails of a mailing-list (in fact 2 of them:H >> >>openvms-patches and security) after adding myself to this lists via >> >>mK >> >>Appearantly these lists are silent for quite some time now (at least IdI >> >>didn't get anything) and the above link is also no longer reachable.o >> > >> >It's now >> >C >> >       http://www.support.compaq.com/patches/mailing-list.shtmla >> > >> >One problem solved ;-) >> s >> And the other one, too.4 >> I've just received a mail from the security list. >> 1L >> And the VMS list was really (almost) silent during Sep (I was on vacationM >> the whole Aug) and so I got this feeling. Maybe I should collect the mails ( >> just to check again before posting... >> . >> So, many thanks to all.) >> Seems the problem was only my mind ;-)  >eG >	I would not agree.  The "New Patches" web page listed two patches foreN >v7.2-1 that I never got informed about.  MAIL and LAT.  There are several forL >v7.3 and others.  All dated past 10 Sep, yet I too have not gotten anything >from the mailing list.c > C >	Has anyone yet today (6 Oct) gotten a patch announcement from theb! >OpenVMS Patch list since 10 Sep?i >g	 >Regards,r >Ricke   Bradford J. Hamilton  bradhamilton@mediaone.net	(home) brad.hamilton@fmr.com		(work)s  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"s   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.557 ************************