1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 09 Oct 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 561       Contents:& Anyone know about SSRVEXCEPT bugcheck?* Re: Anyone know about SSRVEXCEPT bugcheck? Re: Ben Rosen the real culprit?  Re: Ben Rosen the real culprit? F Re: CETS2001 presentations posted (non-technical, Keynote and General)F Re: CETS2001 presentations posted (non-technical, Keynote and General)F Re: CETS2001 presentations posted (non-technical, Keynote and General)& Re: Compaq Service FTP1 Server Broken? Re: Itanium and OpenVMS  Re: Itanium and OpenVMS  Re: Itanium and OpenVMS 2 MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS logical - where in documentation6 Re: MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS logical - where in documentation Re: Memo:  Quota SettingP Re: Meta, giga, yadda yadda yadda (was Re: Comments on Compaq        presentatio Re: net$ignore_decnet  Re: net$ignore_decnet  Re: net$ignore_decnet  Re: net$ignore_decnet  Re: net$ignore_decnet & Re: Netcraft is now able to detect VMS Re: New to VMS Re: New to VMS Re: New to VMS Re: Pathworks Licensing Query * Re: PC LA70 driver (was: Re: LA-70 Driver) Re: PGP for OpenVMS??  Re: PGP for OpenVMS?? 
 Python on VMS  Re: Python on VMS % Re: QU: Voluntarily giving up the CPU % Re: QU: Voluntarily giving up the CPU % Re: QU: Voluntarily giving up the CPU % Re: QU: Voluntarily giving up the CPU % Re: QU: Voluntarily giving up the CPU  Re: Question on VMS Virus " Re: Show Intrusion privilege query Re: Strange privilege problems Strange privilege problems RE: Strange privilege problems Re: Strange privilege problems Re: Strange privilege problems, TR-UX? (was Re: Ben Rosen the real culprit?)0 Re: TR-UX? (was Re: Ben Rosen the real culprit?)0 Re: TR-UX? (was Re: Ben Rosen the real culprit?)! Re: VMS721_Mail ECO Patch Problem ! Re: VMS721_Mail ECO Patch Problem  Re: VMSMail APIs?  Re: VMSMail APIs?  Re: WP 5.1+ DocsC Re: [OpenVMS] V7.2 VAX satellite doesn't find V7.3 Alpha bootserver C Re: [OpenVMS] V7.2 VAX satellite doesn't find V7.3 Alpha bootserver 0 Re: [VMS V7.3 Alpha] my first crash since months  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2001 23:02:03 GMT * From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)/ Subject: Anyone know about SSRVEXCEPT bugcheck? ) Message-ID: <9ptb9b$s9f$1@hecate.umd.edu>   H Hello, I just had a system crash - on two systems.  Actually, two systemK crashes on each, about two minutes apart, both with the same bugcheck code: H SSRVEXCEPT.  System A crashed before system B in both cases, with a timeO difference between the crashes on A and B of about 90 seconds for the first one N and 13 seconds for the second one (the clocks are in sync, I checked).  In the< later crash the image running on each was TCPIP$INETACP.EXE.  F In the crash analyzer I did a SHOW CRASH.  Under CPU bugcheck codes is  A         CPU 00 -- SSRVEXCEPT, Unexpected system service exception   L for both systems.  Under System State at Time of Exception, is the following entry on each system:   	 System A: ; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual : address=0000000000363750, PC=0000000000032ED0, PS=00000003  	 System B: ; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual : address=0000000000373750, PC=0000000000032ED0, PS=00000003  M Under the heading Exception Frame the register contents differ for R3 and R4; 5 they're the same for the rest of the registers shown.    	System A			System B?         R2  = 00000000.000103C8         R2  = 00000000.000103C8 ?         R3  = FFFFFFFF.8120EB60         R3  = FFFFFFFF.813062A0 ?         R4  = FFFFFFFF.8123B580         R4  = FFFFFFFF.812F21C0 ?         R5  = 00000000.00040210         R5  = 00000000.00040210 ?         R6  = 00000000.00040790         R6  = 00000000.00040790 ?         R7  = 00000000.00000000         R7  = 00000000.00000000 ?         PC  = 00000000.00032ED0         PC  = 00000000.00032ED0 ?         PS  = 18000000.00000003         PS  = 18000000.00000003   J The interpreted code is identical, which is expected since the PCs are the, same.  The interpreted PS is also identical.  >          00000000.00032EC0:     STL             R17,#XFABC(R6)<          00000000.00032EC4:     AND             R20,#X03,R24;          00000000.00032EC8:     INSWL           R19,R24,R23 ?          00000000.00032ECC:     LDA             R15,#X0018(R18) 9    PC => 00000000.00032ED0:     LDL             R22,(R21) ;          00000000.00032ED4:     MSKWL           R22,R24,R22 ;          00000000.00032ED8:     BIS             R22,R23,R22 <          00000000.00032EDC:     CMPULE          R24,#X02,R239          00000000.00032EE0:     STL             R22,(R21)       PS =>;          MBZ SPAL      MBZ    IPL VMM MBZ CURMOD INT PRVMOD 9          0   18   00000000000 00  0   0   KERN   0   USER   M The contents of register R21 correspond to the virtual address reported above 0 in the access violation message for each system.  L The two systems are both Digital Personal Workstation 600au running the sameM version of OpenVMS: 7.1-2.  They are each running TCP/IP services V5.0A - ECO G 2.  The bugcheck code is SSRVEXCEPT, which according to VMS HELP means:   1  SSRVEXCEPT,  unexpected system service exception    )   Facility:     BUGCHECK, System Bugcheck    L   Explanation:  The OpenVMS software detected an irrecoverable, inconsistentK                 condition. After all physical memory is written to a system L                 dump file, the system automatically reboots if the BUGREBOOT-                 system parameter is set to 1.    M   User Action:  Use the BACKUP command with the /IGNORE=NOBACKUP qualifier to L                 make a backup save set of the system dump file and the errorK                 log file active at the time of the error. Contact a Digital M                 support representative and describe the conditions leading to                  the error.   O I saved the two files, as suggested.  Before I go through the laborious process F of contacting software support (there is some question if that is even3 available for my site), I thought I would ask here.   E Has anyone seen this before?  Does anyone have any insights to share?    Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 23:54:08 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)3 Subject: Re: Anyone know about SSRVEXCEPT bugcheck? 0 Message-ID: <A0rw7.126$RL6.904@news.cpqcorp.net>  V In article <9ptb9b$s9f$1@hecate.umd.edu>, bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau) writes:I :Hello, I just had a system crash - on two systems.  Actually, two system L :crashes on each, about two minutes apart, both with the same bugcheck code: :SSRVEXCEPT.  F   Please move from your current OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 with your currentF   V5.0A ECO 2 installed to ECO 3 or (better) to V5.1 with ECO 2.  (YouJ   will likely be asked to ECO or to upgrade and ECO when you report this.)  G   While I'd need to see the CLUE CRASH output from SDA to determine if  K   this is a known bug, I don't see any immediately similar problem reports. J   (The folks at the support center that accept the bug report will likely    ask for this output, too.)    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2001 19:24:02 GMT & From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva)( Subject: Re: Ben Rosen the real culprit?% Message-ID: <9psugi$6vh@web.nmti.com>   / In article <trq6b0i6mb9cee@corp.supernews.com>, ' Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> wrote:  > m > "Eric Smith" <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com> wrote in message news:qhd742ewoi.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com... . > > "Greg Cagle" <gregc@gregcagle.com> writes:Q > > > HP-UX 11 is SVR4 but has lots of BSD legacy as well. Previous versions were  > > > more BSD-ish.   O > > If you look under the hood, the HP-UX kernel is definitely BSD-derived, not  > > SysV-derived.   F > I didn't say where it was derived from. The question was about APIs.  $ I was indeed asking about the API...  E Sun and IBM both have a SystemV userland on a BSD kernel. I think the C only people still trying to make a go of it with the SystemV kernel @ would be SCO (which made me nervous when they were talking about0 running a SCO-based 'Monterey' release on IA64).   --  +  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva. E   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything." L                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2001 19:25:41 GMT & From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva)( Subject: Re: Ben Rosen the real culprit?% Message-ID: <9psujl$71t@web.nmti.com>   / In article <trnl5tio3hfd43@corp.supernews.com>, ' Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> wrote: U > "Peter da Silva" <peter@abbnm.com> wrote in message news:9pggpq$msn@web.nmti.com... Q > > I wasn't aware of that... there's no kernel module mechanism at all in HP/UX?   N > Not as such; there's a thing called Dynamically Loadable Kernel Modules thatK > is just coming online but is nowhere near what is available on other Unix  > implementations.  L Sounds like taking the Tru64 Mach/BSD kernel and whacking HPUX compatibility on top would be a win for HP.    --  +  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva. E   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything." L                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 19:13:53 GMT 0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)O Subject: Re: CETS2001 presentations posted (non-technical, Keynote and General) 0 Message-ID: <RVmw7.111$RL6.801@news.cpqcorp.net>  C If you go into powerpoint you can 'save as a web page' and in then   hit the  'publish' button 8 you can select netscape 3 or later  (that's what I do).  --  B ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingK Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@remove.compaq.com L 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@remove.ma.ultranet.com3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875 6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself -          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  B ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 02:02:30 GMT & From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@tru64.org>O Subject: Re: CETS2001 presentations posted (non-technical, Keynote and General) @ Message-ID: <WUsw7.438018$TM5.69543700@typhoon.southeast.rr.com>  D > If you go into powerpoint you can 'save as a web page' and in then > hit the  'publish' button 9 > you can select netscape 3 or later  (that's what I do).   % Done.  Learn something new every day.    Ken    -- Ken Farmer, kfarmer@tru64.org  Tru64.org, http://www.tru64.org  Tru64.org Newsletter: < http://www2.tru64.org/pages.php?page=Newsletter-Registration      = "Warren Sander" <sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com> wrote in message * news:RVmw7.111$RL6.801@news.cpqcorp.net...D > If you go into powerpoint you can 'save as a web page' and in then > hit the  'publish' button 9 > you can select netscape 3 or later  (that's what I do).  > --D > ------------------------------------------------------------------8 > Warren Sander                        OpenVMS Marketing, > Compaq Computer Corporation          Work: warren.sander@remove.compaq.com 0 > 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@remove.ma.ultranet.com 5 > Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875 7 >    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself . >          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/D > ------------------------------------------------------------------ >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 22:49:11 -0400 % From: Charles Richmond <cmr@iisc.com> O Subject: Re: CETS2001 presentations posted (non-technical, Keynote and General) ( Message-ID: <3BC265A7.9E640B27@iisc.com>   Ken Farmer wrote:  > G > I've posted several presentations at http://www.tru64.org.  Sorry, no J > technical presentations yet.  I've been told I will be able to post them  > soon...we'll see what happens. > G > Rich Marcello covers IPF transition, "Golden Blanket" and HP-UX/Tru64 E > merger.  Terry Shannon, as usual, goes straight to the point in his H > presentation covering the competative landscape, Alpha-IPF transition,/ > OpenVMS, EV7, HP-Compaq merger and much more.  > G > I hate to say this but Netscape users may have a problem (tested with G > Netscape 4.7). I converted PowerPoint presentations to .htm but guess L > what...suprise, suprise...they only work with Internet Explorer.  I'm just. > going to bite my tongue and not comment.  ;| >   D Works fine with Netscape 6.01 and Netscape 4.76 running on Solaris 8E and Solaris 7 respectively.  (I'm just going to bite *my* tongue and  
 not comment.)       --  G *********************************************************************** G *  Charles Richmond    Integrated International Systems Corporation   * G *  cmr@iisc.com   cmr@acm.org   cmr@shore.net   http://www.iisc.com   * G *  UNIX Internals, I18N, L10N, X, Realtime Imaging, and  Custom S/W   * G *         131 Bishop's Forest Drive , Waltham , Ma. USA 02452         * G *  (781) 647 2269   FAX (781) 647 3665   Cellular (617) 504 3379      * G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:41:44 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> / Subject: Re: Compaq Service FTP1 Server Broken? ' Message-ID: <3BC255D8.ADF827B9@fsi.net>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > [ > In article <1011005184823.37040B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: ( > :On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Rick Dyson wrote: > : ( > :> > Let me try and unconfuse you. :-) > :> >T > :> > [I have not tried it on VMS, but I've duplicated your problem, interactively,, > :> > on Win98, with the MSDOS FTP client.] > :> > > :> > >R > :> > >       Interactively, I have no problem using this site via Anonymous FTP.P > :> > >However, the command procedure I have used for years suddenly won't workD > :> > >for me anymore.  I use TCPIP v5.0A ECO2 from OpenVMS v7.2-1. > :> > >1 > :> > >$ Define /User_Mode Sys$Input Sys$Command F > :> > >$ FTP /UserName = Anonymous /Password = "rick-dyson@uiowa.edu" > 
 >   Um, yuck.  > ( >   Please use COPY/FTP when on OpenVMS. > E >   The COPY/FTP command has been available since V6.2, it works very I >   nicely, and it does not involve all this command redirection hackery.  >  >   For example: > K >     $ COPY/FTP/BINARY x.y.z"user pwd"::"remotefilespec" localfilespec.ext  > F >     $ COPY/FTP/BINARY/ANON x.y.z::"remotefilespec" localfilespec.ext > G >   Various other qualifier options are available.   See the HELP text.   G *Whew* Glad it works for SOMEone! I've NEVER been able to make it go...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 16:23:25 -0400 - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>   Subject: Re: Itanium and OpenVMS( Message-ID: <3BC20B38.139A7F9C@ohio.edu>  O It has always been the case that if you have physical access to the system, you  can take it over.   O If elevated privileges are required to access the FAT-32 partition while VMS is L running, then it will be as secure as any other aspect of VMS, which I think would be good enough.                                RDP      Alphaman wrote:   @ > Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message, > news:TCkw7.100$RL6.640@news.cpqcorp.net...J > > Uh.  The partition is only used by EFI, and only used for booting.  NoM > > general runtime access will be allowed except though utilities running on L > > either EFI or VMS to copy/delete files on it.  You won't see any genericG > > FAT32 ACP (at least right now) allowing general access to the FAT32E > > partition. > >o' > > No security problem that I can see.e >o > Fred et. al.,r > 1 > Then consider the following simplistic example:e >tC >  - VMS system runs into problems due to firmware/hardware issues.e >tJ >  - Person diagnosing system brings system up with PC diagnostic software > infected with malware. >t3 >  - FAT32 partition becomes infected during diags.? >e0 >  - VMS system boots after infectious "repair". > I >  - Malware now memory resident during VMS boot continues to thrive eveneK > without access to the FAT32 partition, either causing runtime corruption,gG > crashing, or, in the worst case, an OS independent infection of a VMSe	 > system.e >eL > This is just one possible scenario where this could be a problem, and thisM > isn't even a dual-boot system (in the traditional multi-hard-disk/partition M > sense).  I'm sure with a little more thought, the malware authors will have N > many more ways to wreak havoc.  I certainly hope that the VMS engineers takeN > these far-out, highly unlikely, twisted thoughts into consideration, becauseC > there certainly will be crackers and skiddies out there who will.g > J > Having a FAT partition on a commodity processor platform screams "infect	 > me!!!!"  >e > Sincerely and respectfully,h > Aaroni > --@ > Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html >e4 > "I fear all we have done is waken a sleeping giant- >      and fill him with a terrible resolve."R) >       Japanese Admiral Isoruku Yamamoto ) >       after the bombing of Pearl Harborr >)> > Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 15:58:08 -0700-' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>   Subject: Re: Itanium and OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <3BC22F7F.F962C95E@caltech.edu>    Alphaman wrote:P  @ > Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message, > news:TCkw7.100$RL6.640@news.cpqcorp.net...J > > Uh.  The partition is only used by EFI, and only used for booting.  NoM > > general runtime access will be allowed except though utilities running oneL > > either EFI or VMS to copy/delete files on it.  You won't see any genericG > > FAT32 ACP (at least right now) allowing general access to the FAT32s > > partition. > >t' > > No security problem that I can see.  >  > Fred et. al.,. > 1 > Then consider the following simplistic example:U >gC >  - VMS system runs into problems due to firmware/hardware issues.v > J >  - Person diagnosing system brings system up with PC diagnostic software > infected with malware. > 3 >  - FAT32 partition becomes infected during diags.a  F and it's all downhill from there.  I agree that anything that provides, compatibility at any level with BillyWare isO likely to eventually result in some sort of security problem.    We're not just0( worrying about regular hackers and maybeM something like boot block viruses - but rather organized crime driven attacksa* on banks and other financial institutions.L And folks like that could conceivably engineer something that was just smart1 enough to quickly find and change a few blocks on3J the VMS part of the disk and then delete itself from the FAT32 and memory.I Later who knows what might  execute -  with full privs - as VMS comes up.1K Maybe that would be really really hard to write, but I've got to think that 3 half the guys in VMS engineering could whip this up0 in a day or two.  M The repairman leaves and the diligent system operator scans the FAT32 for bad09 stuff.  Too late, the damage is already done - the entireiM system disk is (or should be) suspect at this point.  You can't expect people ; to pull their system disk and lock it up every time there's F a hardware problem (although it is beginning to sound like a very goodJ idea).    But I guess you can expect them to scan it for unwanted changes.L I guess what is required is some sort of tripwire like program for VMS which; could be run after the fact to find this type of intrusion.0O This would  quickly check all the .exe/.olb/.com and other configuration files,IN and scan the FAT32 section,.  So long as that boots from its own, known clean,O FAT32 section on the CD, it should be able to do the trick.  And if patches are - installed on the system the checksum databaseDK could be updated.  Hmm.  I guess that for a simple binary detection of thishL sort of intrusion all that's really needed is a tiny program on CD that justO booted and generated 2 or 3 checksums for the entire system disk outside of thetI FAT32.  Write the results down.  Let the service guy do his thing, run it L again.  If anything has changed you have to look harder, otherwise, go ahead2 and boot.  On second thought - that wouldn't work,O the service guy would probably boot the thing once or twice and that would messy up the checksums.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 22:10:24 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>  Subject: Re: Itanium and OpenVMS4 Message-ID: <1011008211049.420D-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ' On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, David Mathog wrote:    > Alphaman wrote:  > B > > Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message. > > news:TCkw7.100$RL6.640@news.cpqcorp.net...L > > > Uh.  The partition is only used by EFI, and only used for booting.  NoO > > > general runtime access will be allowed except though utilities running onlN > > > either EFI or VMS to copy/delete files on it.  You won't see any genericI > > > FAT32 ACP (at least right now) allowing general access to the FAT32t > > > partition. > > >i) > > > No security problem that I can see.h > >  > > Fred et. al.,  > > 3 > > Then consider the following simplistic example:t > >sE > >  - VMS system runs into problems due to firmware/hardware issues.P > >sL > >  - Person diagnosing system brings system up with PC diagnostic software > > infected with malware. > > 5 > >  - FAT32 partition becomes infected during diags.) > H > and it's all downhill from there.  I agree that anything that provides. > compatibility at any level with BillyWare isQ > likely to eventually result in some sort of security problem.    We're not justt* > worrying about regular hackers and maybeO > something like boot block viruses - but rather organized crime driven attacksu, > on banks and other financial institutions.N > And folks like that could conceivably engineer something that was just smart3 > enough to quickly find and change a few blocks onlL > the VMS part of the disk and then delete itself from the FAT32 and memory.K > Later who knows what might  execute -  with full privs - as VMS comes up. M > Maybe that would be really really hard to write, but I've got to think thats5 > half the guys in VMS engineering could whip this upl > in a day or two. > O > The repairman leaves and the diligent system operator scans the FAT32 for bad-; > stuff.  Too late, the damage is already done - the entireFO > system disk is (or should be) suspect at this point.  You can't expect peoplei= > to pull their system disk and lock it up every time there'snH > a hardware problem (although it is beginning to sound like a very goodL > idea).    But I guess you can expect them to scan it for unwanted changes.  K Scenario 2:  Repairman comes to fix your VAX or Alpha.  Leaves a substitutemH (trojan horse) version of sys$system:loginout.exe (or anything else thatB is normally installed with privs or executed by privileged users.)   How is this different?  N > I guess what is required is some sort of tripwire like program for VMS which= > could be run after the fact to find this type of intrusion.sQ > This would  quickly check all the .exe/.olb/.com and other configuration files,oP > and scan the FAT32 section,.  So long as that boots from its own, known clean,Q > FAT32 section on the CD, it should be able to do the trick.  And if patches arek/ > installed on the system the checksum databaseyM > could be updated.  Hmm.  I guess that for a simple binary detection of thisaN > sort of intrusion all that's really needed is a tiny program on CD that justQ > booted and generated 2 or 3 checksums for the entire system disk outside of the_K > FAT32.  Write the results down.  Let the service guy do his thing, run itdN > again.  If anything has changed you have to look harder, otherwise, go ahead4 > and boot.  On second thought - that wouldn't work,Q > the service guy would probably boot the thing once or twice and that would messe > up the checksums.d  G If you don't trust your service guys, you need to get new service guys.@G With physical access to the system, they could do anything... Install aCI tap on the console keyboard and record all keystrokes (or scan the outputoG for "Username:" and "Password:" and record all inbound keystrokes untiltH the next <CR>..., then send it via Bluetooth to a cellular modem they've# left just outside your building...)o  B If you are talking accidental infection by a VMS-aware FAT32 virusG carried in on a floppy disk by a clueless field-service tech, shouldn'ti@ diagnostics be delivered to customer sites on a CD created under3 controlled conditions by the hardware manufacturer?i  B Without being VMS aware, I don't see how a boot-sector virus couldB do more than crash VMS.  (It couldn't call SYS$QIO to write itselfF to other disks, etc.)  It would not know where monitor data structuresC live, so it couldn't intentionally modify them.  The worst it could B do would be to overwrite random memory, which would promptly cause/ an access violation in kernel mode and a crash.a  @ So we are talking about a virus that is VMS-aware.  It could notI propagate by normal virus means (e-mail or exchange of infected floppies, D then being run by a non-prived user), because normal VMS protectionsC prevent a non-prived user from overwriting the FAT32 section of the-C system disk, just like they protect the boot block and file headerso? in INDEXF.SYS.  It would have to propagate via privileged usersm? running unverified software online or by booting an unverified,e: bootable disk (i.e. a floppy or CD of unknown provenance.)  G A virus writer can do all that now.  It doesn't depend on having FAT32.   
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog > mathog@caltech.edu   -- - John Santos- Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:41:36 +0010<% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au0; Subject: MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS logical - where in documentation 5 Message-ID: <01K9ALTZST5U0062L4@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>t  N It was many years ago that I read this up and have the logical set to 3 on my  cluster.  K This a.m., the behaviour changed and I wanted to re-check.  I got into the  I User Manual on the Compaq site.  Clicking on this in the index brings up @L 6.7.2, "forwarding messages", with no mention of MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS in sight.  M The contents of Chapter 6 seemed to have the only possibly pertinent section eI as 13 "Customising your mail environment", but no mention of the logical.r  M Rather than send my eyes crazy trying to scan read the whole of chapter 6, I  K thought I would just ask if anyone can tell me the section reference which t) details the bit options for this logical.-   TIA-   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:19:15 +1000/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>r? Subject: Re: MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS logical - where in documentation 1 Message-ID: <S9tw7.1368$6q1.86453@ozemail.com.au>l  2 <paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au> wrote in message/ news:01K9ALTZST5U0062L4@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au...lL > It was many years ago that I read this up and have the logical set to 3 on my
 > cluster. >-L > This a.m., the behaviour changed and I wanted to re-check.  I got into theJ > User Manual on the Compaq site.  Clicking on this in the index brings upG > 6.7.2, "forwarding messages", with no mention of MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS ine sight. >3F > The contents of Chapter 6 seemed to have the only possibly pertinent sectionnK > as 13 "Customising your mail environment", but no mention of the logical.  >eL > Rather than send my eyes crazy trying to scan read the whole of chapter 6, IiL > thought I would just ask if anyone can tell me the section reference which+ > details the bit options for this logical.t >p > TIA  >  > Regards, Paddy  # It's in the system manager's manuala  E The value of the logical name MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS is interpreted in the  following ways:s  Value  MeaningrL 1  Indicates that this node is part of a homogeneous OpenVMS Cluster system.L In other words, all disks are accessible to the cluster, and a common SYSUAF2 file and a common mail file exist for the cluster.I When this bit is set, the system checks the node to which you are sendingeD mail to see if it is currently in the cluster. If the node is in theK cluster, the system bypasses DECnet, and the message is written directly to*F the recipient's mail file. (Note that the node must be up to determine# whether it is part of the cluster.)   H 2  Directs Mail to set the OpenVMS Cluster system breakthrough flag whenK issuing the $BRKTHRU service to notify the recipient of new mail. This flagoK is used only in OpenVMS Cluster systems and, typically, only in homogeneous = OpenVMS Cluster systems (in other words, flag 1 is also set). D 4  Directs Mail to include the time the message was delivered in the; notification message displayed on the recipient's terminal.eE + 8  Directs Mail to use DECnet VAX address syntax when the system iso running DECnet-Plus.4 +16  Directs Mail to use DECnet-Plus address syntax.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 22:04:05 GMT<6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>! Subject: Re: Memo:  Quota Setting5F Message-ID: <pppw7.12400$3i3.1338903@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  > Dont' forget step 4 of 3 in this week's Knowledge Base search:      o Repeatm     -- Andy Bustamanteo Remove the ASCII 95s to replye      6 "Jerry Leslie" <leslie@clio.rice.edu> wrote in message! news:9phn5b$pba$1@joe.rice.edu...m0 > Bob Koehler (koehler@encompasserve.org) wrote:A > : In article <3BBB45B7.3A9848D7@cableinet.co.uk>, Tim LlewellynI+ > : <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> writes:  > : > I > : > you mean having system managers is not REALLY going out of fashion, ) > : > like the market currently suggests?d > : H > :    We've had attempts to replace system managers with problem desks.L > :    Fortunately we never tried to teach them how to restore a VMS backup.G > :    It didn't take us long to chase the PC-heads off our AIX system,o either.: > : G > To a PC-head, "restore" and "backup" are soemthing they're unfamiliarx with, F > since Windows doesn't have any standard way of backup and restoring. > * > The three "R"s of Microsoft support are: >l >   o RetryH >   o Reboot >   o Reinstallr >f > --Jerry Leslie >R   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:00:53 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>rY Subject: Re: Meta, giga, yadda yadda yadda (was Re: Comments on Compaq        presentatio-< Message-ID: <howard-A0AD5C.20005308102001@enews.newsguy.com>  4 In article <C2256ADF.0048B574.00@jklh21.valmet.com>,"  norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:   > Thanks, Jim. > M > The base-10 prefix list is here and seems not to be defined past 24-powers.   H Probably hasn't been needed yet.  People who deal in such large numbers K probably just use scientific notation and leave it at that.  It's possible t* that ISO will have to define new prefixes.   10^x    Name 27      Huge (HB?) 30      Really Huge (RB?) " 33      Really Freaking Huge (FB?) 36      Bigger Than Huge (BB?) 39      Really Bigger (???)p$ 42      Really Freaking Bigger (???)1 45      Wow, that's big (WB? call it "frog size")  48      Really Wow (????)w   .e   .w   .c -- h Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 14:17:13 -0400e0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> Subject: Re: net$ignore_decnet; Message-ID: <081020011417132250%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>i  B In article <1002560604.512613@ananke.eclipse.net.uk>, Andy Proctor <aproctor@hotmail.com> wrote:r  P > I'm more familiar with tcpip and have got that working great, however it seemsO > that decnet is not running due to the fact that the logical net$ignore_decnetsP > is being set at boot time. I can manually start decnet by setting this logicalO > false and $start/net decnet. My question is this, where does this logical gett > set up please?  F Someone has customized your system to not start DECnet-Plus during the5 regular startup process.  I do this on my systems, iniC SYS$STARTUP:SYLOGICALS.COM, in order to start everything in a batchdF job.  I define the logical name without /SYSTEM so that it exists only for system startup.t  F You may want to search all command procedures for NET$IGNORE_DECNET if$ you can't find it in SYLOGICALS.COM.   Paul   -- e  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineerings   Compaq Computer Corporation,   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 16:32:08 -0400l- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>  Subject: Re: net$ignore_decnet( Message-ID: <3BC20D43.7D9DEAFA@ohio.edu>   What I did was   $ SET DEF SYS$MANAGER % $ SEARCH *.COM.0  "net$ignore_decnet"a   and it told me:a  $ SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM  #                                 RDPl     Andy Proctor wrote:a  K > This may be simple/dumb but i'm working on a customers system and need to I > bring Decnet up. I'm more familiar with tcpip and have got that working=M > great, however it seems that decnet is not running due to the fact that the K > logical net$ignore_decnet is being set at boot time. I can manually start L > decnet by setting this logical false and $start/net decnet. My question isN > this, where does this logical get set up please? I cannot seem to find where > it is defined.H > Thanks for the help, it is probably a very simple solution to a simple5 > problem, but as i say, im more familiar with tcpip.  >l > Alpha PWS433au
 > VMS 7.1.1h2g
 > Decnet plust >z+ > Any more info needed?, please let me know0 >6 > cheers >c > Andy   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 15:38:53 -0400b( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: net$ignore_decnet, Message-ID: <3BC200CD.4050709@tsoft-inc.com>   Andy Proctor wrote:t  K > This may be simple/dumb but i'm working on a customers system and need topI > bring Decnet up. I'm more familiar with tcpip and have got that workingiM > great, however it seems that decnet is not running due to the fact that therK > logical net$ignore_decnet is being set at boot time. I can manually start L > decnet by setting this logical false and $start/net decnet. My question isN > this, where does this logical get set up please? I cannot seem to find where > it is defined.H > Thanks for the help, it is probably a very simple solution to a simple5 > problem, but as i say, im more familiar with tcpip.t >  > Alpha PWS433au
 > VMS 7.1.1h2 
 > Decnet plus  > + > Any more info needed?, please let me knowe >  > cheers >  > Andy    F Not saying it doesn't exist, but I cannot find that logical in any of G the start-up command files.  Regardless, I'm under the impression that vG DECnet is not automatically started with VMS, but must be specifically 0: started.  An example from my site specific start-up files:   $! Start network jobs  $3 $ wso "Starting DECnet"a $ @SYS$MANAGER:STARTNET.COMe $ wso "Starting LAT" $ @SYS$STARTUP:LAT$STARTUP.COM $ wso "Starting TCP/IP"   $ @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$STARTUP.COM $d# $ @SYS$STARTUP:SYS$NET_SERVICES.COM   F Once DECnet has been configured using NETCONFIG.COM, the command file - STARTNET.COM must be invoked to start DECnet.a  I Note, I'm using Phase 4, don't know if there are differences for Phase 5.    Dave   -- r4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2001 19:45 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)e Subject: Re: net$ignore_decnet, Message-ID: <8OCT200119451786@gerg.tamu.edu>   piccard@ohio.edu writes... }What I did waso }  }$ SET DEF SYS$MANAGER& }$ SEARCH *.COM.0  "net$ignore_decnet" }  }and it told me: } % }SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]SYSTARTUP_VMS.COMe } $ }                                RDP  A Instead of just SYS$MANAGER, try searching all of SYS$STARTUP. IfhA that doesn't work, try SYS$SYSTEM (I certainly wouldn't put it ineI anything in there, but somebody might). It has to be defined somewhere...   C Since it isn't in SYLOGICALS.COM then it is in another file that is,B either "@"-ed in SYLOGICALS.COM (or some other .COM file that runsF relatively early in the startup) or set to run in the startup database) earlier than when the network is started.s  @ Note that you'll get at least one "false positive" doing this asD the file that starts decnet if it isn't defined (naturally) mentions  it: SYS$STARTUP:NET$STARTUP.COM.   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2001 20:27:16 -0500r- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)o Subject: Re: net$ignore_decnet3 Message-ID: <bI8olBuKTO3a@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  V In article <8OCT200119451786@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes: > piccard@ohio.edu writes... > }What I did wasa > }  > }$ SET DEF SYS$MANAGER( > }$ SEARCH *.COM.0  "net$ignore_decnet" > }  > }and it told me: > } ' > }SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM  > } & > }                                RDP > C > Instead of just SYS$MANAGER, try searching all of SYS$STARTUP. If C > that doesn't work, try SYS$SYSTEM (I certainly wouldn't put it inaK > anything in there, but somebody might). It has to be defined somewhere...  > E > Since it isn't in SYLOGICALS.COM then it is in another file that isiD > either "@"-ed in SYLOGICALS.COM (or some other .COM file that runsH > relatively early in the startup) or set to run in the startup database+ > earlier than when the network is started.y > B > Note that you'll get at least one "false positive" doing this asF > the file that starts decnet if it isn't defined (naturally) mentions" > it: SYS$STARTUP:NET$STARTUP.COM.  @ Or search SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.LOG (presuming STARTUP_P2 is "VD").   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2001 15:29:41 -0500r- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t/ Subject: Re: Netcraft is now able to detect VMS 3 Message-ID: <wJzMYrxU1QcK@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  n In article <oblw7.40920$Pr1.12373771@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>, "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com> writes:  I > Anyone got any ideas on how to influence the "uptime" statistics?  As I-N > understand, the number is deduced from the ISN in the IP packet from the webJ > server in question, which is specious at best, IMHO.  The current recordM > holders have barely got 1000 days of uptime.  Heck, I've got over 100 on myh" > home VMS box with a minimal UPS!  = > Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in messaget+ > news:k7kw7.99$RL6.408@news.cpqcorp.net...m >> Folks, check outVH >> www.http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.openvms.compaq.com.  G        http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.openvms.compaq.comc  
 I presume :-)d   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:51:02 +0200) From: "Pio Baettig" <baettig@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: New to VMSf+ Message-ID: <3bc1bcdd@siufuxsun02.unifr.ch>w   Hi4 It seems as if you're using the graphical Alphabios. Enter it3 go to Bios setup -> advanced bios setup(F6 i think) 0 change OS-Type from Windows to SRM-Console (VMS)
 Save and exith power off/on4 and you should see a blue screen with the >>> prompt Now hit b dkax00   Kind Regards   Pio   0 "Ram Guy" <ramguy9@hotmail.com> wrote in message" news:jpiw7.12620$f5.736350@news...K > I tried to do this before. I feel I am not in the right place to run thisg9 > command. I get a message saying it can't find the file.e > J > The system does not give an option to install VMS at all. The system has anL > option to install Windows NT. I am definitely missing something. How can IL > access the BIOS on these systems? Is there any BIOS settings to switch the > system to VMS? >hG > Is there a Hardware guide / User manual for Alpha AXPPCI 33 system? IuJ > downloaded some of the documents and they are  in .gz format. Can I open > them on a windows system?h >c	 > Thanks,t >g > Ramt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 19:56:40 -0400o' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>n Subject: Re: New to VMSt< Message-ID: <howard-777576.19563908102001@enews.newsguy.com>  I In article <jpiw7.12620$f5.736350@news>, "Ram Guy" <ramguy9@hotmail.com> t wrote:  K > I tried to do this before. I feel I am not in the right place to run thisa9 > command. I get a message saying it can't find the file.l  I Can you get to the >>> prompt?  Is there any version information printed h during the power up test?i    G > Is there a Hardware guide / User manual for Alpha AXPPCI 33 system? InJ > downloaded some of the documents and they are  in .gz format. Can I open > them on a windows system?n   Yes.  .gz is GZIP (GNU ZIP). -- l Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 21:00:06 -0500a1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: New to VMS & Message-ID: <3BC25A26.BB859AD@fsi.net>   Ram Guy wrote: >  > Hi there,  > M > I am trying to install Open VMS (Hobbyist) on a Digital Alpha AXP PCI 33. I-N > can't get the system to boot from the CD. Looks like I am not setting up the> > boot options properly and I am new to this hardware and VMS. > J > Is there a step by step guide to setup and run VMS on such systems? I amN > trying to find the reuired information from Open VMS Faqs but have not found > anything yet.    You may have missed:= http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#ALPHA13    -- i David J. Dachterac dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 17:06:42 -0500v' From: Thomas G Wirt <twirt@kittles.com>-& Subject: Re: Pathworks Licensing Query+ Message-ID: <3BC22372.A9E2FCFF@kittles.com>t  C This license is good for any version of VMS.  It is specific to then@ version of PW and it is backward compatible.  As for the supportF question, that depends on a lot of things.  Some people find it easierG to get thousands of dollars for support than a few hundred for one timeeE license upgrade.  I put things like PW under support so that I do notdF need to justify spending the money when I want to up grade.  PW serverE is still being developed, but new versions requiring new licenses aremB many years between.  That being said, I beleive that a new version+ requiring a new license is coming out soon.s   Thomas Wirte Systems Manager    Rob Buxton wrote:h > 	 > Hi All,  > C > We're running Pathworks 6.0D on VAX under VMS 7.2 in Server BasedO > Licensing mode.0 > + > We have a 50U ser license PWLMXXXCA07.02.u > ) > Is this license only valid for VMS 7.2?eH > Should I get an upgrade to this license as part of the annual support? >  > TIA, >  > Rob.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 02:24:01 GMTu. From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com>3 Subject: Re: PC LA70 driver (was: Re: LA-70 Driver)-= Message-ID: <5dtw7.43480$Pr1.12788589@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>   2 Windows 3.1?  You might find a native LA70 driver.  J Other than that, IIRC the LA70 could emulate an IBM ProPrinter.  I believeL there were never any drivers written for the LA series of printers for Win95	 or later.t  L Like Hoff said, tho, VMS doesn't require such things, and this really is theF wrong newsgroup for peecee driver Q's.  Comp.sys.dec might be a littleG closer to what you want, but even that's not 100% right.  I have seen aaI website with drivers for obsolete printers (and other devices) on it, butiK cannot find it now.  You may want to hit some search engines if you want tom follow that route.  
 Good luck, Aarong --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html  2 "I fear all we have done is waken a sleeping giant+      and fill him with a terrible resolve."n'       Japanese Admiral Isoruku Yamamoto '       after the bombing of Pearl Harbord  < Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.    = Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message ) news:53nv7.24$RL6.189@news.cpqcorp.net...oK > In article <3BBCE024.E50631D8@home.com>, Andy Csepely <kicsi2l8@home.com>  writes:tH > :I'm in need of a windows driver for an LA-70 printer. Any thoughts? I3 > :looked on some sites but was unable to find one.M > H >   Wrong newsgroup -- this is the OpenVMS newsgroup, and not the random >   PC widget driver newsgroup.e >oI >   OpenVMS treats the LA70 as a standard serial printer device, and doesl* >   not require specialzed drivers for it. >mJ >   You'll want to ask the Windows folks which of the gazillions of serialI >   printers you should use -- the LA50, LA75 and various other serial LAe' >   printer drivers will probably work.o >e0 >   The archives of PC drivers are available at: >n- >     http://www4.support.compaq.com/support/- >sH >   If you follow the links to the printer links, you'll find directions> >   for the LA75, which I'd tend to expect would suffice here. >.( >  ---------------------------- #include' <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------rL >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion --------------------------- 1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering  hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >b   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 14:26:21 -0700 8 From: Joe <schneider.NoSpam@zippy.labmed.washington.edu> Subject: Re: PGP for OpenVMS??J Message-ID: <schneider.NoSpam-9839BD.14262108102001@news.u.washington.edu>   This seems to work for me:  H    http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/software/openvms/gnupg1_0_4_vms.zip  6 (Though it does translate to "MENDEL.BIO.CALTECH.EDU")   YMMV.     9 In article <3BBDD820.D16A437C@caltech.edu>, David Mathog I <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote:e   > Dirk Munk wrote: > I > >> Seqaxp is defunct, only the name lingers on as an alias to a Solarisi
 > >> machine.m* > >> I kept that software though, it's at: > >> > >>G > >> http://saf.bio.caltech.edu/pub/software/openvms/gnupg1_0_4_vms.zip  > > / > > But I'm having a bit a problem getting it :  > >  > H > Oops, sorry, try it again now.  There was an apache configuration file
 > problem. > 
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog > mathog@caltech.edu >M -- g< joe schneider,   university of washington,  seattle, wa, usa4 (To reply, please remove ".NoSpam" from my addresss)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 23:01:36 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: PGP for OpenVMS??0 Message-ID: <kfqw7.124$RL6.834@news.cpqcorp.net>   In article <schneider.NoSpam-9839BD.14262108102001@news.u.washington.edu>, Joe <schneider.NoSpam@zippy.labmed.washington.edu> writes:t :This seems to work for me:w : I :   http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/software/openvms/gnupg1_0_4_vms.zipe :y7 :(Though it does translate to "MENDEL.BIO.CALTECH.EDU")   G   David, I have a half-dozen pointers to seqaxp in the FAQ.   Do these nD   need to be updated, and/or does the software need a new home, etc?  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:19:09 -0600! From: "CMO" <cmorrill@nospam.com>r Subject: Python on VMS0 Message-ID: <9pt1nt$m4b$1@admin-srv3.micron.com>  , Is anyone aware of a port of Python for VMS?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 22:54:48 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Python on VMS0 Message-ID: <Y8qw7.122$RL6.835@news.cpqcorp.net>  T In article <9pt1nt$m4b$1@admin-srv3.micron.com>, "CMO" <cmorrill@nospam.com> writes:- :Is anyone aware of a port of Python for VMS?r  =   Please search the OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ).S0   You will find Python port pointers in the FAQ.9   The FAQ is available at http://www.openvms.compaq.com/.i;   The text-format FAQ document is usually easier to search.c  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 19:11:28 GMT   From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>. Subject: Re: QU: Voluntarily giving up the CPU8 Message-ID: <sdu3stg5iok3boppf31i0ivp4aeoj4f76h@4ax.com>  7 Just lower your process priority 2 below anyone else's. E If they need the CPU, they'll get it.  If not, you get the CPU.  (see  SET PROCESS/PRIORITY)i  / On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 03:17:52 +0930, Mark Daniel,$ <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote:  I >When programming I would like to be able to say "go ahead reschedule, my H >process can wait".  I do not wish to $HIBER or $SCHDWK or interupt flowC >of execution or the stack at all, just give the scheduler a chance E >before my quantum expires.  The equivalent of the wait state enterednF >during I/O spings to mind.  This is in the context of a CPU-intensiveD >poll (sort of spinlock arrangement), for the *occasional* very longD >period (tens of milliseconds, usually very brief) this might reduceE >wasted cycles (of course it may not, that what the test-bench is for= >:^).= >= >As always TIA.=   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 19:23:05 GMTM2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman). Subject: Re: QU: Voluntarily giving up the CPU0 Message-ID: <t2nw7.112$RL6.736@news.cpqcorp.net>  a In article <3BBF43C8.58E2A30F@wasd.vsm.com.au>, Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> writes:-I :When programming I would like to be able to say "go ahead reschedule, myfH :process can wait".  I do not wish to $HIBER or $SCHDWK or interupt flowC :of execution or the stack at all, just give the scheduler a chance E :before my quantum expires.  The equivalent of the wait state enteredmF :during I/O spings to mind.  This is in the context of a CPU-intensiveD :poll (sort of spinlock arrangement), for the *occasional* very longD :period (tens of milliseconds, usually very brief) this might reduceE :wasted cycles (of course it may not, that what the test-bench is ford ::^).   L   sys$resched has been around and latent for quite some time, though it has L   only recently been documented -- sys$resched requests the rescheduling of    the current process.       int sys$resched(void);  I   No, I don't know off-hand which OpenVMS release it first appeared in.  iI   It's been around (and latent) for at least a decade, and I'm currently pJ   busy digging around in OpenVMS the source code control system for other    and unrelated reasons.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:02:51 GMTe2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman). Subject: Re: QU: Voluntarily giving up the CPU0 Message-ID: <LDnw7.113$RL6.848@news.cpqcorp.net>  [ In article <sdu3stg5iok3boppf31i0ivp4aeoj4f76h@4ax.com>, jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com> writes: 8 :Just lower your process priority 2 below anyone else's.F :If they need the CPU, they'll get it.  If not, you get the CPU.  (see :SET PROCESS/PRIORITY)  G   Compute-bound processes tend to consume all of their initial quantum,(F   and it sounds like Mark doesn't necessarily want that to occur here.  ?   Spinlocks also pound on the memory controllers, and specific oF   implementations of the hardware interlocks can potentially interact G   in fashions that you might not expect -- the hardware interlocks that F   are the basis for bitlocks and interlocked queues have locked large H   tracts of memory on some OpenVMS systems (while aquiring or releasing    the interlock).  e  E   These hardware interlocks are often (typically) implemented in the .I   memory controller hardware, and have a variable granularity -- on VAX,  G   this granularity can range from a longword to all of memory, and the iG   interlock ranges can be discontiguous.  Put another way, having four  I   hardware locks for all of VAX physical memory, with each locking every lG   fourth longword -- where the remainder of the longword address value eH   divided by four is the hardware lock number -- is fully permissible.  I   Having one lock hardware interlock for all of memory is also permitted.gI   Note: when granularity conflicts arise, things still operate correctly.g  G   Spinlock fairness is also a problem in NUMA environments -- where the7I   traditional OpenVMS spinlock implementation unfairly (and dramatically)oJ   favors accessors executing in the same QBB (quad building block) as the K   interlock -- executing in an area with local memory access speeds to the OG   interlock -- over any accessors attempting to gain the spinlock from P   other QBBs, but I digress.    0 :On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 03:17:52 +0930, Mark Daniel% :<mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote:y :u8 :>...I do not wish to $HIBER or $SCHDWK or interupt flowD :>of execution or the stack at all, just give the scheduler a chanceF :>before my quantum expires.  The equivalent of the wait state enteredG :>during I/O spings to mind.  This is in the context of a CPU-intensiveuE :>poll (sort of spinlock arrangement), for the *occasional* very longrE :>period (tens of milliseconds, usually very brief) this might reduce" :>wasted cycles...  J   As mentioned in an earlier posting of mine, I'd look to use sys$resched.I   This system service was first documented circa OpenVMS Alpha V7.2, but R&   it has been around for a long while.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 07:34:47 +0930n/ From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>h. Subject: Re: QU: Voluntarily giving up the CPU/ Message-ID: <3BC222FF.C441F892@wasd.vsm.com.au>o  F Thanks.  Yes there it is in the 7.3 doco (I feel a fool for not havingF looked for a $*RE*SCHED, seems obvious when it's pointed out to you). B Support from VMS 6.0 would be nice if you can organize it Hoff ;^)   Hoff Hoffman wrote:l > c > In article <3BBF43C8.58E2A30F@wasd.vsm.com.au>, Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> writes:/K > :When programming I would like to be able to say "go ahead reschedule, my J > :process can wait".  I do not wish to $HIBER or $SCHDWK or interupt flowE > :of execution or the stack at all, just give the scheduler a chancesG > :before my quantum expires.  The equivalent of the wait state enterednH > :during I/O spings to mind.  This is in the context of a CPU-intensiveF > :poll (sort of spinlock arrangement), for the *occasional* very longF > :period (tens of milliseconds, usually very brief) this might reduceG > :wasted cycles (of course it may not, that what the test-bench is fort > ::^).  > M >   sys$resched has been around and latent for quite some time, though it hasIM >   only recently been documented -- sys$resched requests the rescheduling ofn >   the current process. >  >     int sys$resched(void); > I >   No, I don't know off-hand which OpenVMS release it first appeared in. J >   It's been around (and latent) for at least a decade, and I'm currentlyK >   busy digging around in OpenVMS the source code control system for others >   and unrelated reasons. > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------L >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comP >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   -- h# Non sinere illegitamus carborundum.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 22:58:17 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman). Subject: Re: QU: Voluntarily giving up the CPU0 Message-ID: <dcqw7.123$RL6.796@news.cpqcorp.net>  a In article <3BC222FF.C441F892@wasd.vsm.com.au>, Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> writes:pG :Thanks.  Yes there it is in the 7.3 doco (I feel a fool for not havingXG :looked for a $*RE*SCHED, seems obvious when it's pointed out to you). gC :Support from VMS 6.0 would be nice if you can organize it Hoff ;^)I  G   No V6.0 release exists on OpenVMS Alpha, sorry.  The sys$resched call H   is listed in the entry point vectors for OpenVMS Alpha V1.0 and later.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:37:52 -0500h1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>d" Subject: Re: Question on VMS Virus' Message-ID: <3BC254F0.62A60233@fsi.net>f  
 sfm wrote: > G > I have never heard of a system running OpenVMS to obtain a virus, buttH > recently we found that a NT Server which provides a software link to 1( > of our servers had many virus's on it. > A > Is there software I can obtain to check for virus's on my alphad) > servers or should I not worry about it.- > D > If so the companies name or homepage would be greatly appreciated.  E One point to remember about viruses: most of them target applications G for infection and propagation, not the operating system itself. "Holes"oH in operating system services are frequently sought out and exploited forH infection; however, opportunities for propagation are typically found in& the application and networking layers.   -- r David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 23:42:58 GMTp) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton) + Subject: Re: Show Intrusion privilege query 1 Message-ID: <3bc2365c.703842502@news.wcc.govt.nz>   F On Mon, 08 Oct 2001 12:48:45 +0100, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:   >warren sander wrote:u >nK >> In todays world I like the web based system better because less and less " >> help desk folks know how to use >> a terminal interface. >e >Sad but true. >VE >We have a graduate in the "VMS department" and we're introducing hima >gradually. E >(They go through 4 "department's" in a year before choosing a career  >path).0 >4E >Prior to us, he worked on the helpdesk, and among _all_ the problemsPE >[many, many platforms, OS's, clients], the only issues he dealt with7G >that came up on VMS systems (and not that often) were password resets.A  F and why do you think we have intrusion alerts, yep forgotten passwords= and yep, that's probably the bulk of our VMS queries as well.   E I'd just like to be able to allow the Help desk folk to directly viewn@ intrusion alerts. Alas it gets worse, I can enable SECURITY as aB Authorized priv. Trouble is this does not propogate through to theB sub-process. So I can't turn it on. It needs to be a default priv.  E A simple test was an account with SECURITY as an authorised priv. butt not default.? Login, go to Mail and spawn and then check the privs. magicallyt SECURITY gets lost.c  < Also see from the docs. that SECURITY allows you to do a setD password/system which can reset the System Password! So, I've really* got to ensure these folk can't get to DCL.  F The Web based solution looks intriguing, might have to play with that.   >rD >Isn't it great when you have a largely user-proof operating system? >-- ) >Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciencesw >nclews at csc dot com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 00:50:17 GMTe) From: martin.hunt@inl.co.nz (Martin Hunt)r' Subject: Re: Strange privilege problemsr8 Message-ID: <3bc24947.104384236@news.wlg.netlink.net.nz>  E On Tue, 09 Oct 2001 00:41:39 GMT, martin.hunt@inl.co.nz (Martin Hunt)e wrote:  C >I am having weird problems when I turn off privileges. If I have a B >protection violation, I can't access my directory until I turn onE >BYPASS or READALL privilege. See the following log for an example. Io >am running VMS V7.1 on a VAX: >   C I should have asked - which patch fixes this? I have a feeling this F VAX is missing things like the latest VAXF11X patch. I have just tried5 some of the commands on another VAX, and it works ok.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 00:41:39 GMTi) From: martin.hunt@inl.co.nz (Martin Hunt)t# Subject: Strange privilege problemsd8 Message-ID: <3bc246dc.103765546@news.wlg.netlink.net.nz>  B I am having weird problems when I turn off privileges. If I have aA protection violation, I can't access my directory until I turn onmD BYPASS or READALL privilege. See the following log for an example. I am running VMS V7.1 on a VAX:h      YAK> set def [.test]   YAK> dir    ! Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]-  5 ABC.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:51.0605 SETHOST.LOG;1              0   9-OCT-2001 11:12:00.59o5 X.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:26.02h5 XYZ.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:45.76d5 Y.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:33.86o   Total of 5 files, 4 blocks.m YAK> sh proc/privp    <  9-OCT-2001 11:12:23.15   User: MARTINH          Process ID: 00003A1F>                           Node: YAK              Process name: "_RTA1:"  > Authorized privileges:C  NETMBX    OPER      READALL   SETPRV    SYSPRV    TMPMBX    VOLPROi WORLD   a Process privileges: 6  ACNT                 may suppress accounting messages .[all privileges]. .t=  WORLD                may affect other processes in the world     Process rights:o#  INTERACTIVE                        #  REMOTE                            n [etc]    YAK> noprivi   YAK> nopriv  YAK> sh proc/priv     <  9-OCT-2001 11:12:31.61   User: MARTINH          Process ID: 00003A1F  w Authorized privileges:C  NETMBX    OPER      READALL   SETPRV    SYSPRV    TMPMBX    VOLPRO- WORLD-  - Process privileges:o/  NETMBX               may create network devicea2  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox  e Process rights:D	 [deleted]4   YAK> sh sym dirr     DIR == "DIR/SIZE/DATE"   YAK> dir    ! Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]e  5 ABC.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:51.06r5 SETHOST.LOG;1              0   9-OCT-2001 11:12:00.59q5 X.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:26.02.5 XYZ.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:45.76T5 Y.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:33.86s   Total of 5 files, 4 blocks.  YAK> del x..  A %DELETE-I-FILDEL, PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]X.;1 deleted (18 blocks)-   YAK> cre x.-  	 test filet ^Z ! Everything ok so far   YAK> del xyz.dir;d  D %DELETE-W-FILNOTDEL, error deleting PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]XYZ.DIR;1? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation-? ! I expected that, as the .dir does not have delete priv on it.a   YAK> dir  E %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]*.*;* as input:? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationV? ! But now I can't do any of the things I was able to do before.    YAK> dir [-]  @ %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening PROGDISK:[MARTINH]*.*;* as input? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationf YAK> dir sys$updateR     Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]7   ACRT$ECO_DROP.COM;1r5                            7   5-DEC-1995 16:30:35.67m ." ."5 VVIEF$INSTAL.COM;1         3  10-DEC-1996 14:16:40.98o   Total of 92 files, 8424 blocks.s  : ! But I have no problems accessing some system directories YAK> dir  E %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]*.*;* as inputv? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationr' ! I still can't access my own directory- YAK> set proc/priv=bypass-   YAK> dir    ! Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]a  5 ABC.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:51.06-5 SETHOST.LOG;1              0   9-OCT-2001 11:12:00.59-5 X.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:13:03.15 5 XYZ.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:45.76-5 Y.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:33.86M   Total of 5 files, 4 blocks.. YAK> set proc/priv=nobypassa   YAK> dir    ! Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]p  5 ABC.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:51.06r5 SETHOST.LOG;1              0   9-OCT-2001 11:12:00.59h5 X.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:13:03.15C5 XYZ.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:45.76a5 Y.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:33.86e   Total of 5 files, 4 blocks.e ! That has fixed itd   YAK> del x..  A %DELETE-I-FILDEL, PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]X.;1 deleted (18 blocks)  YAK> del y..  A %DELETE-I-FILDEL, PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]Y.;1 deleted (18 blocks)  YAK> cre x.p   ^Z YAK> cre z.n   ^Z YAK> dir/sec    ! Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]T  D ABC.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:51.06  [DEV,MARTINH]   (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)cD SETHOST.LOG;1              0   9-OCT-2001 11:12:00.59  [DEV,MARTINH]   (RWED,RWED,RE,) D X.;1                       0   9-OCT-2001 11:14:36.69  [DEV,MARTINH]   (RWED,RWED,RE,)lD XYZ.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:45.76  [DEV,MARTINH]   (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)mD Z.;1                       0   9-OCT-2001 11:14:41.86  [DEV,MARTINH]   (RWED,RWED,RE,)e   Total of 5 files, 2 blocks.6 YAK> set prot=o:rewd abc.dir   YAK> dir [.abc]E  C %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]*.*;* ass inpute? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation,> ! I can't even access the directory, even after opening up the
 protection YAK> dir  E %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]*.*;* as inputy? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationr YAK> set proc/priv=all   YAK> dir/sec    ! Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]    [same as before]   YAK> dir [.abc]s    % Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]o  5 GHI.;1                     0   9-OCT-2001 11:07:55.50s   Total of 1 file, 0 blocks.   YAK> noprivn   YAK> dir    ! Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]   5 ABC.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:51.06c5 SETHOST.LOG;1              0   9-OCT-2001 11:12:00.59e5 X.;1                       0   9-OCT-2001 11:14:36.69e5 XYZ.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:45.76e5 Z.;1                       0   9-OCT-2001 11:14:41.86    Total of 5 files, 2 blocks.a   YAK> dir [.abc]     % Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]   5 GHI.;1                     0   9-OCT-2001 11:07:55.50    Total of 1 file, 0 blocks.( ! It works this time - what has changed? YAK> del abc.dir;   D %DELETE-W-FILNOTDEL, error deleting PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]ABC.DIR;10 -RMS-E-MKD, ACP could not mark file for deletion2 -SYSTEM-F-DIRNOTEMPTY, directory file is not empty YAK> del [.abc]*..  ) %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for- PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]*.;? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation  YAK> dir/sec [.abc]c  C %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]*.*;* as8 inputp? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationcE ! I was able to do that command a few seconds ago - what has changed?r   YAK> set proc/priv=bypassI YAK> dir/sec [.abc]t    % Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]s  D GHI.;1                     0   9-OCT-2001 11:07:55.50  [DEV,MARTINH]   (RWED,RWED,RE,)l   Total of 1 file, 0 blocks. YAK> nopriv'   YAK> del [.abc]ghi..  F %DELETE-I-FILDEL, PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]GHI.;1 deleted (0 blocks) YAK> del abc.dir;n  F %DELETE-I-FILDEL, PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]ABC.DIR;1 deleted (18 blocks) YAK> del xyz.dir;t  ) %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching forr PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]XYZ.DIR;r? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationV YAK> cre/dir [.abc]i  6 %CREATE-E-DIRNOTCRE, [.ABC] directory file not created= -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protectiono	 violatione   ! And so on    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:23:52 -0400- From: "Jerry Eckert" <JAEckert@bellsouth.net>e' Subject: RE: Strange privilege problemsn3 Message-ID: <003a01c15061$0f1579c0$f9c1b5d8@SYST01>   I I've found the easiest way to identify the source of file access problemse2 like this is to enable file access failure alarms:   	$ REPLY/ENABLEr% 	$ SET AUDIT/ALARM/ENABLE=ACCESS=FAILl   - Jerryi   -----Original Message-----0 From: Martin Hunt [mailto:martin.hunt@inl.co.nz]& Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 8:42 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # Subject: Strange privilege problems     B I am having weird problems when I turn off privileges. If I have aA protection violation, I can't access my directory until I turn ongD BYPASS or READALL privilege. See the following log for an example. I am running VMS V7.1 on a VAX:      YAK> set def [.test]   YAK> dir    ! Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]t  5 ABC.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:51.06 5 SETHOST.LOG;1              0   9-OCT-2001 11:12:00.59n5 X.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:26.02 5 XYZ.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:45.76h5 Y.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:33.86o   Total of 5 files, 4 blocks.i YAK> sh proc/privs    <  9-OCT-2001 11:12:23.15   User: MARTINH          Process ID: 00003A1F>                           Node: YAK              Process name: "_RTA1:"   Authorized privileges:C  NETMBX    OPER      READALL   SETPRV    SYSPRV    TMPMBX    VOLPROe WORLD    Process privileges:r6  ACNT                 may suppress accounting messages [all privileges] . =  WORLD                may affect other processes in the world    Process rights:h  INTERACTIVE  REMOTE- [etc]-   YAK> nopriv<   YAK> nopriv- YAK> sh proc/priv-    <  9-OCT-2001 11:12:31.61   User: MARTINH          Process ID: 00003A1F   Authorized privileges:C  NETMBX    OPER      READALL   SETPRV    SYSPRV    TMPMBX    VOLPRO  WORLDn   Process privileges:i/  NETMBX               may create network device-2  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox   Process rights:a	 [deleted]M   YAK> sh sym dir.     DIR == "DIR/SIZE/DATE"   YAK> dir    ! Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST].  5 ABC.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:51.06 5 SETHOST.LOG;1              0   9-OCT-2001 11:12:00.59a5 X.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:26.02)5 XYZ.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:45.76i5 Y.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:33.86e   Total of 5 files, 4 blocks.m YAK> del x..  A %DELETE-I-FILDEL, PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]X.;1 deleted (18 blocks)l   YAK> cre x.l  	 test filea ^Z ! Everything ok so far   YAK> del xyz.dir;   D %DELETE-W-FILNOTDEL, error deleting PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]XYZ.DIR;1? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationt? ! I expected that, as the .dir does not have delete priv on it.    YAK> dir  E %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]*.*;* as inputl? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation ? ! But now I can't do any of the things I was able to do before.    YAK> dir [-]  @ %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening PROGDISK:[MARTINH]*.*;* as input? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationi YAK> dir sys$updaten     Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]r   ACRT$ECO_DROP.COM;1g5                            7   5-DEC-1995 16:30:35.67e .o .;5 VVIEF$INSTAL.COM;1         3  10-DEC-1996 14:16:40.98s   Total of 92 files, 8424 blocks.b  : ! But I have no problems accessing some system directories YAK> dir  E %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]*.*;* as input ? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationc' ! I still can't access my own directory- YAK> set proc/priv=bypass    YAK> dir    ! Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]m  5 ABC.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:51.06-5 SETHOST.LOG;1              0   9-OCT-2001 11:12:00.59 5 X.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:13:03.15h5 XYZ.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:45.76-5 Y.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:33.86o   Total of 5 files, 4 blocks.n YAK> set proc/priv=nobypass:   YAK> dir    ! Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]   5 ABC.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:51.0625 SETHOST.LOG;1              0   9-OCT-2001 11:12:00.59w5 X.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:13:03.15t5 XYZ.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:45.76 5 Y.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:33.86u   Total of 5 files, 4 blocks.l ! That has fixed ito   YAK> del x..  A %DELETE-I-FILDEL, PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]X.;1 deleted (18 blocks)s YAK> del y..  A %DELETE-I-FILDEL, PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]Y.;1 deleted (18 blocks). YAK> cre x.-   ^Z YAK> cre z.    ^Z YAK> dir/sec    ! Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]   D ABC.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:51.06  [DEV,MARTINH]   (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)-D SETHOST.LOG;1              0   9-OCT-2001 11:12:00.59  [DEV,MARTINH]   (RWED,RWED,RE,)nD X.;1                       0   9-OCT-2001 11:14:36.69  [DEV,MARTINH]   (RWED,RWED,RE,)oD XYZ.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:45.76  [DEV,MARTINH]   (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)cD Z.;1                       0   9-OCT-2001 11:14:41.86  [DEV,MARTINH]   (RWED,RWED,RE,)    Total of 5 files, 2 blocks.m YAK> set prot=o:rewd abc.dir   YAK> dir [.abc]t  C %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]*.*;* aso inpute? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationt> ! I can't even access the directory, even after opening up the
 protection YAK> dir  E %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]*.*;* as inputo? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation  YAK> set proc/priv=all   YAK> dir/sec    ! Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]e   [same as before]   YAK> dir [.abc]o    % Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]v  5 GHI.;1                     0   9-OCT-2001 11:07:55.50    Total of 1 file, 0 blocks.   YAK> noprivr   YAK> dir    ! Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]d  5 ABC.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:51.06t5 SETHOST.LOG;1              0   9-OCT-2001 11:12:00.59-5 X.;1                       0   9-OCT-2001 11:14:36.69 5 XYZ.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:45.76 5 Z.;1                       0   9-OCT-2001 11:14:41.862   Total of 5 files, 2 blocks.n   YAK> dir [.abc]:    % Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]>  5 GHI.;1                     0   9-OCT-2001 11:07:55.50d   Total of 1 file, 0 blocks.( ! It works this time - what has changed? YAK> del abc.dir;u  D %DELETE-W-FILNOTDEL, error deleting PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]ABC.DIR;10 -RMS-E-MKD, ACP could not mark file for deletion2 -SYSTEM-F-DIRNOTEMPTY, directory file is not empty YAK> del [.abc]*..  ) %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for  PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]*.;? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation  YAK> dir/sec [.abc]a  C %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]*.*;* asr inputs? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationnE ! I was able to do that command a few seconds ago - what has changed?l   YAK> set proc/priv=bypasse YAK> dir/sec [.abc]s    % Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]   D GHI.;1                     0   9-OCT-2001 11:07:55.50  [DEV,MARTINH]   (RWED,RWED,RE,)r   Total of 1 file, 0 blocks. YAK> nopriva   YAK> del [.abc]ghi..  F %DELETE-I-FILDEL, PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]GHI.;1 deleted (0 blocks) YAK> del abc.dir;u  F %DELETE-I-FILDEL, PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]ABC.DIR;1 deleted (18 blocks) YAK> del xyz.dir;g  ) %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching forC PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]XYZ.DIR;s? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation  YAK> cre/dir [.abc]o  6 %CREATE-E-DIRNOTCRE, [.ABC] directory file not created= -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protectionn	 violation    ! And so ono   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2001 20:25:55 -0500w- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)-' Subject: Re: Strange privilege problems03 Message-ID: <+0ffDHA5FKMP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <3bc24947.104384236@news.wlg.netlink.net.nz>, martin.hunt@inl.co.nz (Martin Hunt) writes:G > On Tue, 09 Oct 2001 00:41:39 GMT, martin.hunt@inl.co.nz (Martin Hunt)t > wrote: > D >>I am having weird problems when I turn off privileges. If I have aC >>protection violation, I can't access my directory until I turn onrF >>BYPASS or READALL privilege. See the following log for an example. I >>am running VMS V7.1 on a VAX:u >> v > E > I should have asked - which patch fixes this? I have a feeling thisiH > VAX is missing things like the latest VAXF11X patch. I have just tried7 > some of the commands on another VAX, and it works ok.-  B You should turn on auditing to see the exact cause of the failure.E The symptoms you describe often result from VMS properly interpreting- abnormal protection settings.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 07:01:07 +0200I& From: John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch>' Subject: Re: Strange privilege problemsY* Message-ID: <3BC28493.59A06291@dplanet.ch>  * It may be one or more of the following ...  ' - symbol redefining normal VMS commands> - ACL's  - directory file ownership> - something else happening in your 'priv' and 'nopriv' symbolsG - UIC's have been screwed up and your account doesn't own that UIC (Has 6 the SYSUAF record been copied and a new UIC assigned?)     John McLeanO       Martin Hunt wrote: > D > I am having weird problems when I turn off privileges. If I have aC > protection violation, I can't access my directory until I turn onTF > BYPASS or READALL privilege. See the following log for an example. I > am running VMS V7.1 on a VAX:1 >  >  > YAK> set def [.test] > 
 > YAK> dir > # > Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]  > 7 > ABC.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:51.06 7 > SETHOST.LOG;1              0   9-OCT-2001 11:12:00.59.7 > X.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:26.02 7 > XYZ.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:45.76 7 > Y.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:33.86  >  > Total of 5 files, 4 blocks.A > YAK> sh proc/priv  > > >  9-OCT-2001 11:12:23.15   User: MARTINH          Process ID:
 > 00003A1F@ >                           Node: YAK              Process name:
 > "_RTA1:" >  > Authorized privileges:E >  NETMBX    OPER      READALL   SETPRV    SYSPRV    TMPMBX    VOLPROB > WORLD  >  > Process privileges:m8 >  ACNT                 may suppress accounting messages > .[all privileges]I > .T? >  WORLD                may affect other processes in the world; >  > Process rights:9 >  INTERACTIVE	 >  REMOTEH > [etc]  > 
 > YAK> noprivO > 
 > YAK> noprivq > YAK> sh proc/priv  > > >  9-OCT-2001 11:12:31.61   User: MARTINH          Process ID:
 > 00003A1F >  > Authorized privileges:E >  NETMBX    OPER      READALL   SETPRV    SYSPRV    TMPMBX    VOLPROA > WORLD. >  > Process privileges:I1 >  NETMBX               may create network devicec4 >  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox >  > Process rights:L > [deleted]E >  > YAK> sh sym dirI >  >   DIR == "DIR/SIZE/DATE" > 
 > YAK> dir > # > Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]o > 7 > ABC.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:51.06o7 > SETHOST.LOG;1              0   9-OCT-2001 11:12:00.59G7 > X.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:26.02e7 > XYZ.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:45.76a7 > Y.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:33.86> >  > Total of 5 files, 4 blocks.  > YAK> del x.. > C > %DELETE-I-FILDEL, PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]X.;1 deleted (18 blocks)e > 
 > YAK> cre x.A >  > test fileR > ^Z > ! Everything ok so far >  > YAK> del xyz.dir;; > F > %DELETE-W-FILNOTDEL, error deleting PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]XYZ.DIR;1A > -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation,A > ! I expected that, as the .dir does not have delete priv on it.r > 
 > YAK> dir > G > %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]*.*;* as input A > -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation A > ! But now I can't do any of the things I was able to do before.  >  > YAK> dir [-] > B > %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening PROGDISK:[MARTINH]*.*;* as inputA > -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation0 > YAK> dir sys$update  >  > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]  >  > ACRT$ECO_DROP.COM;117 >                            7   5-DEC-1995 16:30:35.67  > .T > . 7 > VVIEF$INSTAL.COM;1         3  10-DEC-1996 14:16:40.98o > ! > Total of 92 files, 8424 blocks.t > < > ! But I have no problems accessing some system directories
 > YAK> dir > G > %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]*.*;* as input A > -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation ) > ! I still can't access my own directory  > YAK> set proc/priv=bypass  > 
 > YAK> dir > # > Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]f > 7 > ABC.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:51.06N7 > SETHOST.LOG;1              0   9-OCT-2001 11:12:00.59-7 > X.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:13:03.15 7 > XYZ.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:45.76 7 > Y.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:33.86  >  > Total of 5 files, 4 blocks.  > YAK> set proc/priv=nobypassE > 
 > YAK> dir > # > Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]  > 7 > ABC.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:51.06 7 > SETHOST.LOG;1              0   9-OCT-2001 11:12:00.59R7 > X.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:13:03.1577 > XYZ.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:45.76 7 > Y.;1                       1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:33.86, >  > Total of 5 files, 4 blocks.l > ! That has fixed it: >  > YAK> del x.. > C > %DELETE-I-FILDEL, PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]X.;1 deleted (18 blocks)C > YAK> del y.. > C > %DELETE-I-FILDEL, PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]Y.;1 deleted (18 blocks) 
 > YAK> cre x.s >  > ^Z
 > YAK> cre z.e >  > ^Z > YAK> dir/sec > # > Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]p > F > ABC.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:51.06  [DEV,MARTINH] >  > (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) F > SETHOST.LOG;1              0   9-OCT-2001 11:12:00.59  [DEV,MARTINH] >  > (RWED,RWED,RE,)sF > X.;1                       0   9-OCT-2001 11:14:36.69  [DEV,MARTINH] >  > (RWED,RWED,RE,) F > XYZ.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:45.76  [DEV,MARTINH] >  > (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)dF > Z.;1                       0   9-OCT-2001 11:14:41.86  [DEV,MARTINH] >  > (RWED,RWED,RE,)1 >  > Total of 5 files, 2 blocks.  > YAK> set prot=o:rewd abc.dir >  > YAK> dir [.abc]  > E > %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]*.*;* as5 > input1A > -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationl@ > ! I can't even access the directory, even after opening up the > protection
 > YAK> dir > G > %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]*.*;* as input A > -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationT > YAK> set proc/priv=all >  > YAK> dir/sec > # > Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]o >  > [same as before] >  > YAK> dir [.abc], > ' > Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]* > 7 > GHI.;1                     0   9-OCT-2001 11:07:55.50A >  > Total of 1 file, 0 blocks. > 
 > YAK> noprive > 
 > YAK> dir > # > Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]D > 7 > ABC.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:51.06*7 > SETHOST.LOG;1              0   9-OCT-2001 11:12:00.59p7 > X.;1                       0   9-OCT-2001 11:14:36.69e7 > XYZ.DIR;1                  1   9-OCT-2001 11:05:45.76b7 > Z.;1                       0   9-OCT-2001 11:14:41.86T >  > Total of 5 files, 2 blocks.  >  > YAK> dir [.abc]  > ' > Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]l > 7 > GHI.;1                     0   9-OCT-2001 11:07:55.50c >  > Total of 1 file, 0 blocks.* > ! It works this time - what has changed? > YAK> del abc.dir;n > F > %DELETE-W-FILNOTDEL, error deleting PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]ABC.DIR;12 > -RMS-E-MKD, ACP could not mark file for deletion4 > -SYSTEM-F-DIRNOTEMPTY, directory file is not empty > YAK> del [.abc]*.. > + > %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching forr  > PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]*.;A > -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationi > YAK> dir/sec [.abc]t > E > %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]*.*;* as  > inputtA > -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationeG > ! I was able to do that command a few seconds ago - what has changed?5 >  > YAK> set proc/priv=bypassu > YAK> dir/sec [.abc]d > ' > Directory PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]i > F > GHI.;1                     0   9-OCT-2001 11:07:55.50  [DEV,MARTINH] >  > (RWED,RWED,RE,)E >  > Total of 1 file, 0 blocks.
 > YAK> nopriv- >  > YAK> del [.abc]ghi.. > H > %DELETE-I-FILDEL, PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST.ABC]GHI.;1 deleted (0 blocks) > YAK> del abc.dir;: > H > %DELETE-I-FILDEL, PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]ABC.DIR;1 deleted (18 blocks) > YAK> del xyz.dir;a > + > %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching forr! > PROGDISK:[MARTINH.TEST]XYZ.DIR;LA > -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationS > YAK> cre/dir [.abc]A > 8 > %CREATE-E-DIRNOTCRE, [.ABC] directory file not created? > -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection  > violation; > 
 > ! And so on9   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 19:50:37 GMT64 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>5 Subject: TR-UX? (was Re: Ben Rosen the real culprit?):= Message-ID: <hsnw7.92478$vq.18850262@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   3 "Peter da Silva" <peter@abbnm.com> wrote in messages news:9psujl$71t@web.nmti.com... 1 > In article <trnl5tio3hfd43@corp.supernews.com>,1) > Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> wrote:E7 > > "Peter da Silva" <peter@abbnm.com> wrote in messageO news:9pggpq$msn@web.nmti.com...NL > > > I wasn't aware of that... there's no kernel module mechanism at all in HP/UX? > K > > Not as such; there's a thing called Dynamically Loadable Kernel ModulesI thatH > > is just coming online but is nowhere near what is available on other Unix > > implementations. >A@ > Sounds like taking the Tru64 Mach/BSD kernel and whacking HPUX
 compatibility  > on top would be a win for HP.T >B  L Technically superior to retrofitting HP-UX with TruCluster, the Cluster FileG System, and RAS features. Here's hoping HWP sees the light and does thec Right Thing!   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:16:11 -0700( From: "Greg Cagle" <gregc@gregcagle.com>9 Subject: Re: TR-UX? (was Re: Ben Rosen the real culprit?)S/ Message-ID: <ts45s4gnh9mr7e@corp.supernews.com>   w "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message news:hsnw7.92478$vq.18850262@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...  > 5 > "Peter da Silva" <peter@abbnm.com> wrote in messagel! > news:9psujl$71t@web.nmti.com...L3 > > In article <trnl5tio3hfd43@corp.supernews.com>, + > > Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> wrote: 9 > > > "Peter da Silva" <peter@abbnm.com> wrote in messageN! > news:9pggpq$msn@web.nmti.com...TN > > > > I wasn't aware of that... there's no kernel module mechanism at all in > HP/UX? > >tM > > > Not as such; there's a thing called Dynamically Loadable Kernel Modules- > thatJ > > > is just coming online but is nowhere near what is available on other > Unix > > > implementations. > >tB > > Sounds like taking the Tru64 Mach/BSD kernel and whacking HPUX > compatibility]! > > on top would be a win for HP.  > >I >[N > Technically superior to retrofitting HP-UX with TruCluster, the Cluster FileI > System, and RAS features. Here's hoping HWP sees the light and does theE > Right Thing!    I agree - and I work for HP (!).   --
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 22:43:29 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>9 Subject: Re: TR-UX? (was Re: Ben Rosen the real culprit?)K= Message-ID: <l_pw7.94241$vq.18995902@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>e  3 "Greg Cagle" <gregc@gregcagle.com> wrote in messages) news:ts45s4gnh9mr7e@corp.supernews.com...s > A > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 7 news:hsnw7.92478$vq.18850262@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...  > > 7 > > "Peter da Silva" <peter@abbnm.com> wrote in message  > > >9D > > > Sounds like taking the Tru64 Mach/BSD kernel and whacking HPUX > > compatibility # > > > on top would be a win for HP.: > > >  > >aK > > Technically superior to retrofitting HP-UX with TruCluster, the Clustert FileK > > System, and RAS features. Here's hoping HWP sees the light and does the0 > > Right Thing! > " > I agree - and I work for HP (!). >.  J The result would be a very attractive and competitive first-tier UNIX withE the best clustering support in the business. This approach would also00 dovetail nicely with Oracle's 9i RAC software...   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:58:25 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>* Subject: Re: VMS721_Mail ECO Patch Problem4 Message-ID: <1011008205715.420C-100000@Ives.egh.com>  + On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Richard L. Dyson wrote:t  O > I just applied the above patch and after a reboot (for other reasons) I found0L > that Sys$Library:MailShr.exe no longer had any World privs.  Thus, regular > users0 > could not use MAIL anymore.D > < > Did anyone else experience this after applying this patch? > 
 > Regards, > Rick  J Yup, me too.  $ set file sys$library:mailshr.exe/prot=(w:re) seems to have	 fixed it.R   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 03:47:25 GMTe- From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@home.com>N* Subject: Re: VMS721_Mail ECO Patch Problem( Message-ID: <3BC2734B.FF1D878A@home.com>   John Santos wrote: > - > On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Richard L. Dyson wrote:e > Q > > I just applied the above patch and after a reboot (for other reasons) I foundnN > > that Sys$Library:MailShr.exe no longer had any World privs.  Thus, regular% > > users could not use MAIL anymore.o > >v> > > Did anyone else experience this after applying this patch? > >  > > Regards, > > Rick > L > Yup, me too.  $ set file sys$library:mailshr.exe/prot=(w:re) seems to have > fixed it.  >  > --
 > John Santos1   Thanks John!  M 	It's good to hear it was just not me.  I missed it at 3am when I applied the C patch and then didn't find it until I went to work 8 hours later...   I 	If I could submit to DSNlink, I would submit a report.  They have messed1G up my account and it has expired and someone has not yet fixed it... :(   9 	Maybe Hoff will see this and mention it to his channels!f   Regards, Rick     Rick   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 19:09:38 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: VMSMail APIs?0 Message-ID: <SRmw7.110$RL6.791@news.cpqcorp.net>  N In article <3bc1e63f.18304210@news.cc.ukans.edu>, paul@wren.cc.kux.edu writes:= :Where, in manuals, or on-line can one find the VMSMail APIs?d  L   You will want to learn about the Master Index book,about the Introduction I   to the Documentation Set book, and about the Programming Concepts book.iL   All of these are books in the OpenVMS manual set.  The former will answer L   your immediate question, the introduction will provide you with a picture I   of the OpenVMS documentation, and the latter will describe some of the mB   basic programming techniques and options available on OpenVMS.    L   In the specific case of this question, please look in MAIL section of the ,   OpenVMS Utility Routines Reference Manual.  I   To find the on-line documentation or other resources, you will want to i4   skim the OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ).  I   To find a list of some of the more the common programming mistakes that-I   have been committed on OpenVMS, please see topic (1661) of the OpenVMS zF   Ask The Wizard (ATW) area.  (The FAQ has a pointer to the ATW area.)    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 23:30:04 +0200i2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: VMSMail APIs?; Message-ID: <3bc21adc.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>i   paul@wren.cc.kux.edu wrote: > > Where, in manuals, or on-line can one find the VMSMail APIs?   In the Utility Routines Manual.n   cu,    Martin --  G So long, and thanks        | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmerm4 for all the books...       | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deK In Memoriam Douglas Adams  |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/X;             1952-2001      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 12:15:58 -0700c5 From: Christopher Jovais <cjovais@radiology.ucsf.edu>  Subject: Re: WP 5.1+ Docso2 Message-ID: <3BC1FB6D.DB9BC3FC@radiology.ucsf.edu>  d Actually she's tried to no avail.  The product has moved around several times in the past few years.  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  H > Why doesn't she just contact the folks responsible for WordPerfect forA > OpenVMS and ask them for the documentation she'd like or needs?3 >8 > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn > K >   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fieryhK >   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesd   --H ________________________________________________________________________H  Christopher Jovais                   e-mail: cjovais@radiology.ucsf.edu:  tel: 415-502-5323                       fax: 415-502-5836H ________________________________________________________________________   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 21:15:04 +0100r1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>[L Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] V7.2 VAX satellite doesn't find V7.3 Alpha bootserver6 Message-ID: <3BC21758.53D76846@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>   Peter,H Is it possible for you to bring up a node on the 7.2-1 system disk (do a/ restore from tape) and see if that still works?   D Things I'd look at (but you probably already have) would be that theA correct disk device is specified in the MOP configuration for therG satellite and that the cluster authorization details are correct.  WhatIF would happen if the details were wrong and the node was not allowed to join the cluster I wonder?  H What does the operator log on the Alpha boot node have to say about it? G This is probably going to provide more information since it's providing G the MOP download and enabling (or, in this case, not enabling) the diskW
 to be served.   H Did the VAX boot into the cluster when it had the local disk attached to it?I   Steve.   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > Y > In article <3bae1fec$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:  > >In article <rdeininger-2309011237310001@user-2ivebk3.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:F > >>In article <3badf412$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net wrote:2 > >>> Just a quick question before I reread my FM. > >>>oR > >>> I upgraded my Alpha bootserver from V7.2-1 to V7.3 and now my still V7.2 VAXM > >>> satellite doesn't boot any longer (can't find disk server - MOP is ok).o > > , > >%VAXcluster, no connection to disk server > >1J > >>> Mixed version V7.3 and V7.2 and architecture is said to be possible,- > >>> so, please, what did I miss obviously ?  > >>>;< > >>> btw, the Alpha satellites did boot without problems... > >>K > >>Take a close look at the MSCP* parameters on the disk servers.  Are theAM > >>required disks really being served?  In some cases the default parameterscN > >>are not what you need, and an upgrade might have snuck those defaults back > >>into the system. > > & > >That was my first guess, of course: > >[ > >$ sysgen sh mscp1O > >MSCP_LOAD                       1          0         0      16384 Coded-valutO > >MSCP_SERVE_ALL                  1          0         0         15 Bit-EncodeRO > >MSCP_BUFFER                  1024       1024       256         -1 Coded-valu O > >MSCP_CREDITS                    8          8         2        128 Coded-valuoQ > >MSCP_CMD_TMO                    0          0         0 2147483647 Seconds    D  > > K > >But I don't see what parameters might be wrong, and why they only affecte0 > >the VAX client and not the Alpha clients too. > > ? > >The disk is from an HSJ and all disks are served as usual...  > M > Just to be sure, I did an VMSupgrade of the VAX satellite from V7.2 to V7.3LO > during the last hours via a temporary-locally-attached disk. Upgrade went ok,tK > but booting this new system disk via the Alpha server still doesn't work.r >  > Currently I'm stumped... >  > --> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888e> > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   -- 9G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent like:E a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath..A Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" % 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:27:58 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)L Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] V7.2 VAX satellite doesn't find V7.3 Alpha bootserver0 Message-ID: <i%nw7.115$RL6.733@news.cpqcorp.net>  j In article <3BC21758.53D76846@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>, Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> writes: :Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:  :> 9Z :> In article <3bae1fec$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: :> >In article <rdeininger-2309011237310001@user-2ivebk3.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:[G :> >>In article <3badf412$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net wrote:c  K :> >>> I upgraded my Alpha bootserver from V7.2-1 to V7.3 and now my still  L :> >>> V7.2 VAX satellite doesn't boot any longer (can't find disk server -  :> >>> MOP is ok).  - :> >%VAXcluster, no connection to disk server0    F   That error is often (but not always) due to a disk allocation class H   configuration problem, particularly if your disk server is attempting H   to serve through some disks from a remote HSG, HSJ, HSC, etc., server.I   (Ensure that the disks you are serving are in the same non-zero class.)A  I   I haven't been following this thread, so I haven't seen any informationtI   on the specific storage configuration that might have been posted here.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:40:33 +0200 From: zessin@decus.dee9 Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3 Alpha] my first crash since months + Message-ID: <00A033C1.F1129F71.12@decus.de>[  L I've put some replies together in this mail and shortened the mail somewhat.J Some questions were redundant and I have just striped them. Your responses are appreciated anyway.T   John Santos wrote:* >On Sun, 7 Oct 2001 zessin@decus.de wrote: >> Jonathan Boswell wrote: >> >> >Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: >[...]H >>   - a long time ago one of the SHADOW ECOs broke the functionality to# >>     put out meaningful messages:  >>     $ >>     DSA2: >> >>     DSA1: >> 1 >>     $ > B >I've not seen these messages.  Are they on the console (bypassing> >OPCOM), or are you saying the terminal messages (after doing A >$ reply/enable) are different from the messages in OPERATOR.LOG?   B They appear on OPA0: and the full text is also sent through OPCOM.  I haven't looked at OPERATOR.LOG   [...]KM >>   - after a <CONTROL-P> and BOOT at the console, the shadow merge does not I >>     work correctly. The disk activity lights blink from time to time - K >>     they should show constant activity. If I dismount a member and start*M >>     a shadow copy it works normal, but of course that is not an acceptabledM >>     workaround! (SHADOW_MAX_COPY is set to a sufficient value, before any-C >>     one asks) > G >There is a delay before it starts copying, and I think it waits longer H >if the disk is busy.  However, if it hasn't started copying within 5-10J >minutes, I think something is wrong.  What does "$ show device/full" say?  I I've booted a single cluster member. DSA1: and DSA2: are empty - there is5I no user I/O to the disks. The merge process goes very slow, but claims to.	 increase.p   >> - network problemscR >>   %PEA0, Excessive packet losses on LAN Path from EIB to EIB on REMOTE NODE xyz >>L >>   That is just a cross-over cable between the 2 DS20E! It can happen withM >>   the setting of 'twisted-pait' and 'FastFD'. I have also seen this on therN >>   'EIA' adapter. One error message came just after I had initiated a shadow? >>   copy. The LAN ECO (together with other ones) is installed.  >EB >I think we used to get this on our NI cluster (2 Alphas+VAX) whenE >everything was on a hub, but not since converting to a switch.  Only H >one of the Alphas is capable of 100MbFD, so we really haven't exercisedF >that part of it though.  I don't see why you should have any problems >with a direct crossover cable.r  I I have seen the message for both NICs (EIA and EIB), so different cables.   4 >Are you sure the cable is good and has all 8 wires?  < Yes. I first had loopback-connectors on both EIA interfaces.  < >>   Would be nice to be able to use $ANALYZE/ERROR_LOG, no?I >>   I had tried to install WEBES from the tools CD, but that trashed thesE >>   system completely and I did a new VMS installation from scratch.o >eC >Have you tried DECEvent (aka DIAGNOSE?)  I have installed it on anlF >Alpha 2000 running VMS V7.3 and it seems to work fine.  (No shadowing$ >or cluster on that system, though.)  H No, I've read that I need CA (Compaq Analyze) for DS20E systems which is included in WEBES.   >> [...] F >Did any or all these problems go away on V7.2-x, or did you just give >up?  9 I ran out of time last week. I'm on a training this week.m  > >  You may be having hardware problems, especialy if the hangsF >persist on V7.2.  (For example, a bad Ethernet card.  Remember a SCSIC >cluster only does disk traffic on the SCSI.  It still needs a goodRE >Ethernetor other SCS circuit or you'll get hangs as it loses quorum.h? >And a bad card can hang the PCI bus and hence the whole node.)d  E The freezes happen on both nodes. I haven't seen quorum lost messageso before the systems froze.   D My intention is to re-try with V7.2-1 next week. Hey, I need to ship a _working_ system ;-)  &                                   ----   Keith Parris wrote:a >zessin@decus.de wrote...t >> - OpenVMS volume shadowingw >>H >>   - a long time ago one of the SHADOW ECOs broke the functionality to# >>     put out meaningful messages:c >>     $ >>     DSA2: >> >>     DSA1: >> >>     $ >sC >I've seen and wondered about these cryptic messages myself for thesD >last 2-3 years (and reported them to the CSC, and mentioned them toE >the shadowing maintainer).  Based on my observations, they appear tocD >be trying to announce that a mount verification operation is taking >place on the listed unit.  9 Yes, and other messages that you also get via OPCOM like:h   $ dismount $31$dka200: $31$DKA200: (NODE1 PKB)h  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   5-OCT-2001 15:38:10.08  %%%%%%%%%%%9 $31$DKA200: (NODE1 PKB) has been removed from shadow set.g   DSA2:d  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   5-OCT-2001 15:38:10.44  %%%%%%%%%%%" DSA2: shadow set has been reduced.   You see the pattern?  E > Sometimes the shadowset members are listed in parantheses after theK@ > name of the virtual unit, e.g. "DSA101: ($1$DUA1:, $2$DUA2:)". >G/ > My guess is that the explanatory test messagesD >which should surround these arguments is being omitted due to a bugF >associated with the $FAO call in the code.  Alternatively, they mightE >conceivably be left-over diagnostic displays in the code that aren'tn2 >getting disabled for the external release of VMS.  H No. Definitely not a left-over diagnostic. I'm sure they have been thereC at least as long as HBVS Phase II exists if not in Phase I already.iI I don't recall the format of Phase I messages - the last time I have seennH them was in september 1989 while building a mixed-version cluster (V4.7/B A5.1-1). Yes, I must have accidentally recycled those neurons ;-).  D >These messages seem to go directly to the console port, rather than >being sent as OPCOM messages.  J They go to OPA0: and are sent to OPCOM, too. I beleieve they were prefixedH with "%SYSTEM", but I'm not sure. As you have already said, that problem is there for a long time....   [...]j >> - network problemsOR >>   %PEA0, Excessive packet losses on LAN Path from EIB to EIB on REMOTE NODE xyz >>L >>   That is just a cross-over cable between the 2 DS20E! It can happen withM >>   the setting of 'twisted-pait' and 'FastFD'. I have also seen this on thedN >>   'EIA' adapter. One error message came just after I had initiated a shadow? >>   copy. The LAN ECO (together with other ones) is installed.  >e@ >Since you mention EI as the device name, this is a DE600-familyE >adapter.  Do you have the latest firmware revision installed for thef	 >adapter?t  O Don't know. That was a fresh order from Compaq. Do you know how I can find out? N We have written down the revisions from the boards, but I won't get to my desk> this week. I'll give that info to my colleague anyway, thanks!  E >It might be informative to try a pair of DE500 adapters (EW devices)n& >if you have some extras lying around.  = We replaced EIB0 on both nodes with DE500-AA - same problems.tP Sorry, we only had 2 DE500 left, not more and I would have to reconfigure DECnet & TCP/IP otherwise.y   [...] 
 >> - hangsK >>   I have disabled the XFC (and I did not enable the VIOC). If I boot the M >>   second member it can still happen that the first on freezes completely -s5 >>   even a <CONTROL-P> on the console does not work.nJ >>   A 'SHOW CLUSTER/FULL' on the other system shows a status of 'BRK_NON' >>   for the frozen system.n >dC >There has been some discussion here in the past about systems thatmE >hung and didn't respond to Control-P.  I'd scan for clues from thosenC >posts, and make sure you are at a recent console firmware revisione >level.l   P00>>>show config 8                         COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20E 666 MHz   SRM Console:	V6.0-8-> PALcode:	OpenVMS PALcode V1.92-73, Tru64 UNIX PALcode V1.87-69  
 Processors: CPU 0		Alpha EV67 pass 2.6 666 MHz	SROM Revision: V1.13.44    G As I already wrote: I have taken (forced) crash dumps from both systemsnD when each one was frozen. I can't do an analysis but Compaq might be interested.h   -- i
 Uwe Zessin   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.561 ************************