1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 11 Oct 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 565       Contents: 4000-90  Re: 4000-90  A free VMS implementation? Re: A free VMS implementation? Re: A free VMS implementation?* cancel <3BC4B435.DF97F17D@cableinet.co.uk> Re: CLD question) Re: DCPS and IP_RawTCP (Telenet printing) & Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors& Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors It wouldn't happen on VMS ...  Re: Lkwset before CMKRNL Re: Lkwset before CMKRNL Re: Lkwset before CMKRNL Re: Lkwset before CMKRNL Re: Lkwset before CMKRNL6 Re: MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS logical - where in documentation Re: Memo:  Big Alpha Deal  Re: Memo:  Big Alpha Deal  Re: Memo:  Big Alpha Deal  Re: Memo:  Big Alpha Deal $ Microsoft Security Slipup of the Day( Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Day( Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Day( Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Day( Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Day( Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Day( Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Day( Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Day( Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Day( Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Day( Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Day( Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Day  Re: My balls itch IS A VIRUS!!!!  Re: NT connection to VMS machine' Phone question..(dialing to other user) + Re: Phone question..(dialing to other user) : Re: Query wrt routing caches in DECnet Phase V on OVMS 7.1 Re: Question on VMS Virus 3 SEDT problems on RedHat 7.1 (was Re: EDT for Linux) 7 Re: SEDT problems on RedHat 7.1 (was Re: EDT for Linux)  Re: Shannon The Omniscient Re: Shannon The Omniscient: Re: Shannon The Omniscient (Re: Renaming SKC (was "itch")): Re: Shannon The Omniscient (Re: Renaming SKC (was "itch")): Re: Shannon The Omniscient (Re: Renaming SKC (was "itch")): Re: Shannon The Omniscient (Re: Renaming SKC (was "itch")): Re: Shannon The Omniscient (Re: Renaming SKC (was "itch")): Re: Shannon The Omniscient (Re: Renaming SKC (was "itch")): Re: Shannon The Omniscient (Re: Renaming SKC (was "itch")): Re: Shannon The Omniscient (Re: Renaming SKC (was "itch")): Re: Shannon The Omniscient (Re: Renaming SKC (was "itch")) Sharing a ssytem dump file Re: Sharing a ssytem dump file Re: Sharing a ssytem dump file Re: Sharing a ssytem dump file Re: Sharing a ssytem dump file" Re: Show Intrusion privilege query* Re: Telnet DCL Routines for HTML Mail Msgs Re: TELNETSYM Error  Re: TELNETSYM Error  Re: TELNETSYM Error  Re: TELNETSYM Error  Re: Unaltered DCL command line Re: Unaltered DCL command line% Re: Vax Basic converting WORD to LONG 
 Re: VMS 7.2-2 
 Re: VMS 7.2-2 C Re: [OpenVMS] V7.2 VAX satellite doesn't find V7.3 Alpha bootserver   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:27:43 GMT + From: "Barry Streets" <berrys2552@home.com>  Subject: 4000-90< Message-ID: <zs7x7.2296$gT6.972973@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>  F Does anyone know how to get a 4000-90 workstation to boot and load itsL license's without a graphics adaptor installed. I own one that's missing itsL adaptor and while it boots ok (VMS 7.1) It won't load any license's and whenI you go into the license utility it says it is a unkown vaxstation and all  licenses are not permited.  
 Barry Streets 
 Echo Group   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 04:35:32 +0100 1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>  Subject: Re: 4000-905 Message-ID: <3BC52194.6E1C8C7@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>   E What happens if you boot using the alternate console but still have a C keyboard connected?  IIRC, it's the state of the keyboard (presence G thereof or otherwise) that decides what the system is going to boot as.    Steve.     Barry Streets wrote: > H > Does anyone know how to get a 4000-90 workstation to boot and load itsN > license's without a graphics adaptor installed. I own one that's missing itsN > adaptor and while it boots ok (VMS 7.1) It won't load any license's and whenK > you go into the license utility it says it is a unkown vaxstation and all  > licenses are not permited. >  > Barry Streets  > Echo Group   --  G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent like E a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath. A Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" % 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Oct 2001 11:43:28 -0700( From: flynn@energyhq.org (Miguel Mendez)# Subject: A free VMS implementation? = Message-ID: <3111aeb4.0110101043.670b9093@posting.google.com>   	 Hi there,   E This idea has been floating around in my head for some time, now that @ Compaq seems to null interest in both Alpha and VMS technology IF thought about creating an open source replacement for VMS. I know someC time ago a project called FreeVMS was started but it seems it never D made it too far. I've not much technical knowlegde of the insides of@ the system, I'm more of a unix kernel hacker, but VMS has always7 fascinated me whenever I had the opportunity to use it.   C What I'd like to know is where could I get hold of some information E about how to implement a VMS like system, not just DCL, but the whole F thing and make it portable across not only Alpha, but also Intel, etc.E Also, I'd be glad to know if there would be people interested in this @ project; how the VMS community feels about it, who would like to contribute, etc.   Thanks in advance.  3 For e-mail replys please write to: flynn1@inicia.es    Yours,       Miguel Mendez    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:09:46 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation? 1 Message-ID: <_11x7.243$RL6.1689@news.cpqcorp.net>   h In article <3111aeb4.0110101043.670b9093@posting.google.com>, flynn@energyhq.org (Miguel Mendez) writes:  = :This idea has been floating around in my head for some time,   B   And most recently floated here in comp.os.vms just two days ago.  G   BERTRAND =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jo=EBl?= <bertrand@cnam.fr> posted a similar N   discussion in comp.os.vms on 8-Oct-2001, article <3BC17A02.7010401@cnam.fr>.I   Visit one of the newsgroup archives for the post, if you're interested. K   (The posting basically contained the pointers that I'll include later on     in this message.)   J : now that Compaq seems to null interest in both Alpha and VMS technology   G   That would be news to me -- OpenVMS Engineering has a new generation  I   Alpha server (EV7-based) under development and new releases of OpenVMS  F   Alpha under development and a large port of OpenVMS over to Itanium 7   underway.  For some of what we are up to, please see:   0     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/presentations/  ? : I thought about creating an open source replacement for VMS.    G   We asked about open-sourcing OpenVMS at the San Diego sympoisium and  J   rather surprisingly got negative feedback from the customers.  (I would @   not have believed it had I not been sitting in the same room.)  H :I know some time ago a project called FreeVMS was started but it seems  :it never made it too far.    .   Probably because the project is huge.  HUGE.  J :I've not much technical knowlegde of the insides of the system, I'm more J :of a unix kernel hacker, but VMS has always fascinated me whenever I had  :the opportunity to use it.   C   If you have a hobbyist license (free) and a hobbyist distribution C   (cheap) and a VAX box, an Alpha box, or (with a version of a VAX  B   emulator such as the one from SRI or one of the other emulators C   that are in various stages of development) a PC box, you can run  A   OpenVMS on it.  For very little investment.  Used VAX and used  /   Alpha boxes are available quite cheaply, too.   D :What I'd like to know is where could I get hold of some informationF :about how to implement a VMS like system, not just DCL, but the wholeG :thing and make it portable across not only Alpha, but also Intel, etc.   F   For a parallel, you will want to consider what has been involved to G   get Linux where it is now -- both the number of people and the years  -   that have been involved in its development.   F :Also, I'd be glad to know if there would be people interested in thisA :project; how the VMS community feels about it, who would like to  :contribute, etc.      Related pointers:   	     URLs: ,       http://freshmeat.net/projects/freevms/       http://www.free-vms.org/       list server(s):        freevms@ml.free.fr  I   The Free-VMS URL is listed in the current OpenVMS FAQ edition, and the  G   freshmeat URL and list server will be added into the next edition of     the OpenVMS FAQ.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:07:46 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation? > Message-ID: <mU1x7.104541$vq.20884662@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  5 "Miguel Mendez" <flynn@energyhq.org> wrote in message 7 news:3111aeb4.0110101043.670b9093@posting.google.com...  > Hi there,  > G > This idea has been floating around in my head for some time, now that B > Compaq seems to null interest in both Alpha and VMS technology I< > thought about creating an open source replacement for VMS.  G Seems to me that Compaq is WAY INTERESTED in OpenVMS technology, not to F mention Alpha EV7. The VMS port to IPF is underway, and the EV7 MarvelL project is cruising along quite briskly (ahead of schedule, some claim). AndI the dynamic provisioning and system virtualization capabilities that will I enable post-Marvel IPF platforms to support multiple OS environments will 9 borrow some software sleight-of-hand from OpenVMS Galaxy.   J The Good News is that Free VMS is available today to noncommercial VAX andL Alpha users. Check out the OpenVMS Hobbyist License program sponsored by theH good folks at the Dallas Fort Worth Computer Users Group. The Best Local& User Group on the Planet has a link atA http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/index.html that will reveal all.   F Even better news is the fact that the OpenVMS Hobbyist License will beI coming to an IPF platform near you once the IPF port of OpenVMS is a done  deal.   E And for those of you with 32-bit Wintel or Lintel systems who want to K experience the virtues of VMS, the folks at Software Research International J are working on a new version of the Charon-VAX Hobbyist distribution. Info is at   = http://www.softresint.com/softresint/charon-vax/hobbyist.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:41:47 GMT 3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> 3 Subject: cancel <3BC4B435.DF97F17D@cableinet.co.uk> 7 Message-ID: <LF7x7.2198$IA1.107892@news1.cableinet.net>   / This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:09:51 -0400 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> Subject: Re: CLD question * Message-ID: <3BC49CFF.80C5A721@oracle.com>  . you'll have to do the parsing of the parameter
 in your code.    Christoph Gartmann wrote:  >  > Hello, > M > I am writing a command definition language file (.CLD). Now my command verb L > has two parameters. The second paramter can be either an integer number orJ > one of two possible strings. How can I code this? I know I could use twoP > different "DFINE SYNTAX" statements. But I cannot figure out a way to activateA > one or the other syntax. Is it possible to achieve what I want?  > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmann  > J > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+J > | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |J > | Immunbiologie                                                        |J > | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |J > | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |J > +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   --  > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2001 04:22:31 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) 2 Subject: Re: DCPS and IP_RawTCP (Telenet printing): Message-ID: <9q36q7$2ea$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  , In message <3BBF0D34.EBCBCC80@peoplepc.com>,1   Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com> writes: P >DCPS supports printing to a TCP/IP port (what I call Telnet printing).  On mostR >printers (HP at least) it is port 9100.  This done by setting P2 for the queue inH >question to "IP_RawTCP/node.name:port" in SYS$STARTUP:DCPS$STARTUP.COM. > Q >My question is, is there any type of protocol that is used on this port or is it S >strictly a "one way communication".  If there is a protocol, what is it called and P >where is it documented.  If there is no protocol, then is there any way for theP >printer to tell VMS if it is out of paper or needs toner, etc. other that using! >osmosis on the "stalled" status.   G The RawTCP connection to HP printers is bidirectional, DCPS gets status M back from the printer via the connection.  AFAIK, there's no special protocol F for it beyond the printer language shared with the other communicationC mechanisms.  The first thing DCPS tries to do after connecting to a G printer is send a control-T and wait for the status line it sends back.   O On my site, the DCPS queues for the HP printers use "IP_RawTCP/localhost:nnnn", G where nnnn is a port number listened to by special a relay daemon.  The K daemon then makes a connection to the real printer and transparently relays E traffic between it and the DCPS connection, plus adds special pre-job F and post-job processing.  The pre-job processing is to set the printerK display to the username and start time (so the user standing at the printer K waiting knows his job is in progress or can see that the printer is hung on F some other user's job that started 40 minutes ago).  At the end of theE job, the daemon detects when DCPS is trying to get the page count and D tries to get a more accurate answer.  Before closing the connection,K the daemon sets the printer display to the queue name (so the user standing / at the printer knows no more pages are coming).   G This relay has also been used as a diagnostic tool, since it can be set ? to record all traffic between it and the printer to a log file.       < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Oct 2001 21:08:08 GMT& From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva)/ Subject: Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors % Message-ID: <9q2dbo$5nr@web.nmti.com>   , In article <3BC48021.4990209E@videotron.ca>,/ JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: / > > The fundamental design of the OS and API is ! > > relentlessly single-instance:   H > So, you have a single rack of multiple NT boxes. That is what Compaq's8 > "futures" slides looked like at a recent presentation.  % Can you say "maintainance nightmare"?   E (no, I don't believe in magic management tools, particularly when the J point of the multiple systems is to resolve the problems I'm talking about& so they're all configured differently)  M > A serious application can simply use its own configuration files instead of K > relying on that stupid registry thing. Or they could improve the registry O > thing to allow each process to have access to its own registry space. Instead O > of having just "USER", it could have "JOB" and "PROCESS". This way, you could J > start IIS on the same machine with the same "USER", but with a differentG > "PROCESS" registry section/tree with the process specific parameters.   L Tektronix came up with a similar hack on later versions of WinDD. It was notM pleasant, 'cos there was no way to tell an application "no, I really want youCH looking at the global namespace this time" so you had to switch back andF forth from "install mode" to "run mode"... and that was only for *one* dimension of 'instance space'.  ( Looks like another management nightmare.  J Windows NT (and hence 2000) is finally a pretty good desktop OS. Why can'tL they concentrate on making it the best possible desktop OS instead of trying/ to cram it into niches it's never designed for?k   -- f+  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.LE   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."aL                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:41:58 GMTf4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>/ Subject: Re: Higher prices for Alpha processorsf> Message-ID: <W84x7.104950$vq.21018872@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  3 "Peter da Silva" <peter@abbnm.com> wrote in messagei news:9q2dbo$5nr@web.nmti.com...u. > In article <3BC48021.4990209E@videotron.ca>,1 > JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:t1 > > > The fundamental design of the OS and API ise# > > > relentlessly single-instance:T >nJ > > So, you have a single rack of multiple NT boxes. That is what Compaq's: > > "futures" slides looked like at a recent presentation. >s  B Depends on what presentation you saw. The long-term goal is systemE virtualization wherein VMS, Windoze, Linux, and UNIX environments can K coexist in the same box or "server utility" complex. NSK can play, too, butiI by virtue of its fault-tolerant requirements it'll have to be hosted on an separate, fault-tolerant box.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:52:13 +0200"& From: John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch>& Subject: It wouldn't happen on VMS ...* Message-ID: <3BC4C30C.D652E4CC@dplanet.ch>  < I have one of those power adapters that Compaq is recalling.  F After many links I finally found the page for the details, filled them in and clicked submit.  ! "There was an error adding order.i3 [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver]Timeout expired"t  : I clicked on submit a second time and bingo, same problem.  2 Now I'll just try phoning the local Compaq office.  E This makes me wonder...what happens if my adapter catches fire in theDB next few days and burns the apartment down?  After all, I tried to; notify Compaq.  Would I sue Compaq or Microsoft or both ???e     John McLeani   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:10:33 GMT 3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>V! Subject: Re: Lkwset before CMKRNLa/ Message-ID: <3BC4B435.DF97F17D@cableinet.co.uk>-   Kenneth Randell wrote: > > > Well, as before, there really isn't enough information here. > L > 1) What is at this virtual address? (code, data, linkage)  In other words,M > is the fault from accessing a code page, or code that is trying to access a  > data page?" > 2) What platform (vax or alpha)?. > 3) What is the instruction that is faulting?I > 4) The fact that it does not crash on a standalone member but does on ahJ > satellite is likely not relavant.  This could be a factor of working set  > size, system utilization, etc. > I > Even having the output of CLUE CRASH would tell us much more (but stillc! > likely not enough) to help you.  > 
 > Ken Randelle  D Fair enough, but isn't the issue that $LKWSET does NOT guarantee the pageD will not be faulted, ie if the process is swapped. Surely $LCKPAG is more appropriate? > From the "System Services Reference Manual" entry for $LCKPAG,  H http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/4527/4527pro_063.html#jun_369   $LCKPAGt  C     Locks a page or range of pages in memory. The specified virtual0B pages are forced into the working set and then locked in memory. A/ locked page is not swapped out of memory if the B     working set of the process is swapped out. These pages are notC candidates for page replacement and in this sense are locked in thev working set as well. i  B Thus, if your process gets swapped, bang, you geta PGFIPLHI crash.  < VAXman's advice is also relevant, and explained in the docs.   regards    > 8 > Nilakantan <nilakantan_m@hotmail.com> wrote in message9 > news:f660c23e.0110092126.295ead72@posting.google.com...  > > Hi All, E > > I am sorry in missing out some of the details which I should have- > > posted earlier. J > > I am facing this problem in OpenVMS 7.2-1(Alpha) and the language I am% > > using to generate my code is "C".b > >0 > >3G > > I would like to mention I don't see my software crashing on a standn > > alone node.aJ > > The crash is happening on a satellite node of a cluster and crash dump	 > > showso8 > > "Faulting Virtual Address        00000000.0006E010". > >.D > > In my code I included lkwset to lock address 0x6d200 and 0x6e5dfJ > > before cmkrnl and it seems to avoid crash in one satellite node of the: > > cluster  but I faced crash in another node which shows8 > > "Faulting Virtual Address        00000000.0006D390". > >sD > > I feel that my lkwset should have locked this page for me beforeE > > cmkrnl and this prevent one of my machine from crashing .But I amh8 > > puzzled why that did not happen in the second node.. > > G > > Any suggestion would be of great help.I did look through the wizardrH > > and porting manual which improved my understanding on locking..but I8 > > am not able to undertsand the above dual behaviour.. > >p > >l" > > Thanks for your time and help. > > Best Regards,l > > Nilakantan   -- - Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  1  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of f! my employers or service provider.m   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:55:04 GMTc3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> ! Subject: Re: Lkwset before CMKRNLw/ Message-ID: <3BC4B531.35D4B586@cableinet.co.uk>m   Kenneth Randell wrote: > > > Well, as before, there really isn't enough information here. > L > 1) What is at this virtual address? (code, data, linkage)  In other words,M > is the fault from accessing a code page, or code that is trying to access ai > data page?" > 2) What platform (vax or alpha)?. > 3) What is the instruction that is faulting?I > 4) The fact that it does not crash on a standalone member but does on a J > satellite is likely not relavant.  This could be a factor of working set  > size, system utilization, etc. > I > Even having the output of CLUE CRASH would tell us much more (but stillp! > likely not enough) to help you.  > 
 > Ken Randello  D Fair enough, but isn't the issue that $LKWSET does NOT guarantee the pageD will not be faulted, ie if the process is swapped. Surely $LCKPAG is more appropriate? > From the "System Services Reference Manual" entry for $LCKPAG,  H http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/4527/4527pro_063.html#jun_369   $LCKPAGr  C     Locks a page or range of pages in memory. The specified virtualeB pages are forced into the working set and then locked in memory. A/ locked page is not swapped out of memory if thebB     working set of the process is swapped out. These pages are notC candidates for page replacement and in this sense are locked in the  working set as well. I  B Thus, if your process gets swapped, bang, you geta PGFIPLHI crash.  < VAXman's advice is also relevant, and explained in the docs.   regardsc   > 8 > Nilakantan <nilakantan_m@hotmail.com> wrote in message9 > news:f660c23e.0110092126.295ead72@posting.google.com...s > > Hi All,eE > > I am sorry in missing out some of the details which I should haveo > > posted earlier.oJ > > I am facing this problem in OpenVMS 7.2-1(Alpha) and the language I am% > > using to generate my code is "C".u > >h > >,G > > I would like to mention I don't see my software crashing on a standa > > alone node.tJ > > The crash is happening on a satellite node of a cluster and crash dump	 > > shows 8 > > "Faulting Virtual Address        00000000.0006E010". > >lD > > In my code I included lkwset to lock address 0x6d200 and 0x6e5dfJ > > before cmkrnl and it seems to avoid crash in one satellite node of the: > > cluster  but I faced crash in another node which shows8 > > "Faulting Virtual Address        00000000.0006D390". > > D > > I feel that my lkwset should have locked this page for me beforeE > > cmkrnl and this prevent one of my machine from crashing .But I amt8 > > puzzled why that did not happen in the second node.. > >)G > > Any suggestion would be of great help.I did look through the wizardnH > > and porting manual which improved my understanding on locking..but I8 > > am not able to undertsand the above dual behaviour.. > >- > >-" > > Thanks for your time and help. > > Best Regards,- > > Nilakantan   -- d Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  F  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of s! my employers or service provider.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:59:26 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)! Subject: Re: Lkwset before CMKRNLm1 Message-ID: <2x3x7.253$RL6.2069@news.cpqcorp.net>u  e In article <3BC4B435.DF97F17D@cableinet.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> writes: E :Fair enough, but isn't the issue that $LKWSET does NOT guarantee the18 :page will not be faulted, ie if the process is swapped.  K   True.  But if the process is swapped out, then (by definition) it cannot oK   be executing.  And if the process is not executing, then there can be no u   PGFIPLHI crash.s  G   If the process is executing, then all pages that are locked into the OF   process working set are (by definition) resident in physical memory.  $ :Surely $LCKPAG is more appropriate?  L   Locking a page into memory is arguably a relatively inefficient mechanism J   for (at least temporarily) increasing the size of the non-paged pool (orI   non-paged code), and it has the very obvious potential to fragment the o   available physical memory.  H   $LCKPAG locks the page into physical memory, which is useful when the H   executing code lacks an associated process context; when your code is E   operating in what is often called system context or device context.s  H   If your environment expects to execute in system (or device) context, J   then you may have to be particularly aware of which application process J   is running in the process virtual address space "below you" -- and when F   you do reference process address space, you have to be VERY certain F   that the same image you expect is still executing, lest the results    get VERY interesting.e  F   If you expect to operate and to execute in system context, you will G   want to seriously consider the use a pseudo device driver or execlet sC   or other similar construct.  Use of these constructs also avoids -A   having to lock the code into memory, provides an API design andyB   data structures, and you can allocate and use non-paged pool andB   other kernel-mode constructs for your data storage requirements.  H   To summarize, there are certainly cases where $LCKPAG is appropriate, E   but there are far more cases where a call to $LKWSET is sufficient.oE   If you do find you really need to call $LCKPAG, you will also want  ;   to investigate the available implementation alternatives.d  C :Thus, if your process gets swapped, bang, you geta PGFIPLHI crash.o  D   If the process is swapped, then by definition it is not executing.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:22:47 GMT-= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) ! Subject: Re: Lkwset before CMKRNLh0 Message-ID: <00A0355A.2BD2F19B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  k In article <f660c23e.0110092126.295ead72@posting.google.com>, nilakantan_m@hotmail.com (Nilakantan) writes:a >Hi All,B >I am sorry in missing out some of the details which I should have >posted earlier.G >I am facing this problem in OpenVMS 7.2-1(Alpha) and the language I am " >using to generate my code is "C". >o >lD >I would like to mention I don't see my software crashing on a stand >alone node.G >The crash is happening on a satellite node of a cluster and crash dump  >shows5 >"Faulting Virtual Address        00000000.0006E010".D >9A >In my code I included lkwset to lock address 0x6d200 and 0x6e5df4G >before cmkrnl and it seems to avoid crash in one satellite node of thes7 >cluster  but I faced crash in another node which shows 5 >"Faulting Virtual Address        00000000.0006D390".i  7 The code you added likely moved the critical section.  e? Let me ask, did you "hardcode" the addresses to be locked down?O     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbest   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:50:19 GMT 3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> ! Subject: Re: Lkwset before CMKRNL / Message-ID: <3BC50875.16E0CC2F@cableinet.co.uk>r   Hoff Hoffman wrote:n > g > In article <3BC4B435.DF97F17D@cableinet.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> writes:nG > :Fair enough, but isn't the issue that $LKWSET does NOT guarantee ther: > :page will not be faulted, ie if the process is swapped. > L >   True.  But if the process is swapped out, then (by definition) it cannotL >   be executing.  And if the process is not executing, then there can be no >   PGFIPLHI crash.  > H >   If the process is executing, then all pages that are locked into theH >   process working set are (by definition) resident in physical memory.  F Yes, I was wondering about that since posting. Sorry about double post btw,E DSL service seems to be down the tubes again. Getting a bit out of myi depth here,rE but I guess even if the code was asynchronously triggered the processh would beE swapped in again before the AST or whatever is delivered, assuming as 
 you state # below its not a driver or suchlike.t   regardsu  e > & > :Surely $LCKPAG is more appropriate? > M >   Locking a page into memory is arguably a relatively inefficient mechanismpL >   for (at least temporarily) increasing the size of the non-paged pool (orJ >   non-paged code), and it has the very obvious potential to fragment the >   available physical memory. > I >   $LCKPAG locks the page into physical memory, which is useful when theiI >   executing code lacks an associated process context; when your code is G >   operating in what is often called system context or device context.  > I >   If your environment expects to execute in system (or device) context,-K >   then you may have to be particularly aware of which application processbK >   is running in the process virtual address space "below you" -- and wheneG >   you do reference process address space, you have to be VERY certaineG >   that the same image you expect is still executing, lest the resultsd >   get VERY interesting.d > G >   If you expect to operate and to execute in system context, you willoH >   want to seriously consider the use a pseudo device driver or execletD >   or other similar construct.  Use of these constructs also avoidsC >   having to lock the code into memory, provides an API design andhD >   data structures, and you can allocate and use non-paged pool andD >   other kernel-mode constructs for your data storage requirements. > I >   To summarize, there are certainly cases where $LCKPAG is appropriate, G >   but there are far more cases where a call to $LKWSET is sufficient.lF >   If you do find you really need to call $LCKPAG, you will also want= >   to investigate the available implementation alternatives.y > E > :Thus, if your process gets swapped, bang, you geta PGFIPLHI crash.h > F >   If the process is swapped, then by definition it is not executing.   Sure, I see that now.a   regardsa   > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------L >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comP >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   -- n Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  (  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of n! my employers or service provider.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:40:12 +0100d1 From: "Chris Townley" <news@townleyc.demon.co.uk>a? Subject: Re: MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS logical - where in documentationoB Message-ID: <1002760480.26229.0.nnrp-01.d4e45fa5@news.demon.co.uk>  : "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> wrote in message+ news:S9tw7.1368$6q1.86453@ozemail.com.au...  >14 > <paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au> wrote in message1 > news:01K9ALTZST5U0062L4@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au...aK > > It was many years ago that I read this up and have the logical set to 3  on > my > > cluster. > >n <snip>G > The value of the logical name MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS is interpreted in the1 > following ways:. >  Value  MeaningjF > 1  Indicates that this node is part of a homogeneous OpenVMS Cluster system.AG > In other words, all disks are accessible to the cluster, and a commonl SYSUAF4 > file and a common mail file exist for the cluster.K > When this bit is set, the system checks the node to which you are sendingnF > mail to see if it is currently in the cluster. If the node is in theJ > cluster, the system bypasses DECnet, and the message is written directly toH > the recipient's mail file. (Note that the node must be up to determine% > whether it is part of the cluster.)o >nJ > 2  Directs Mail to set the OpenVMS Cluster system breakthrough flag whenH > issuing the $BRKTHRU service to notify the recipient of new mail. This flagA > is used only in OpenVMS Cluster systems and, typically, only inl homogeneous ? > OpenVMS Cluster systems (in other words, flag 1 is also set).eF > 4  Directs Mail to include the time the message was delivered in the= > notification message displayed on the recipient's terminal.oG > + 8  Directs Mail to use DECnet VAX address syntax when the system ise > running DECnet-Plus.6 > +16  Directs Mail to use DECnet-Plus address syntax. >f  & Also documented in SYLOGICALS.TEMPLATE     -- Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:43:54 -0700l, From: "Scott Stark" <starkh@saic.com_nospam>" Subject: Re: Memo:  Big Alpha Deal' Message-ID: <3bc450a4$1@cpns1.saic.com>-  I Here's an interesting read on Computer System security.  Watch the video.n? It sounds like the Government is very concerned about security,DL availability,  and reliability.  At the bottom of the article is a post yourG comments area... I wanted to mention OpenVMS but the topic said it all,aF "List names security holes in Windows and Unix most often exploited by	 hackers."   K http://www.techtv.com/news/hackingandsecurity/story/0,24195,3350889,00.htmlW  H I'm glad the DII COE effort for OpenVMS is continuing, it might become a) prerequisite for any Government platform.    Scott Starke? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 8 news:vI%w7.104488$vq.20789083@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > + > <rivie@cougar.no.domain> wrote in messageu/ > news:slrn9s8tjb.cnl.rivie@cougar.no.domain...o@ > > In article <3BC47D0F.2A9A7A04@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei wrote: > > >eL > > > Digital didn't announce the death of VAX before Alpha was commerciallyH > > > available. Digital didn't announce the death of VAX before VMS was	 > runninge > > > fully on Alpha.  > >AH > > No, but they _did_ announce the death of the MIPS-based workstations, > > before Alpha was commercially available. > >g >iL > Yep. Not surprising, since the whole Alpha rollout was a goat-rope of epicC > proportions. In one fell swoop the Digital marketing maestros andh	 strategickF > savants managed to impose a virtual sales freeze on VAX systems well before2 > Alpha hardware, OSes, and apps became available. >n; > Little wonder that "Digital's Had It Now" became reality.  > G > Anyhow, to its credit, CPQ responded to the erroneous assertion aboutn AlphacK > and the commercial marketplace within a couple of hours of learning aboute > the InformationWeek gaffe. >a >@ >t >.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:23:25 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>" Subject: Re: Memo:  Big Alpha Deal> Message-ID: <xT3x7.104868$vq.21003063@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  7 "Scott Stark" <starkh@saic.com_nospam> wrote in message ! news:3bc450a4$1@cpns1.saic.com...nK > Here's an interesting read on Computer System security.  Watch the video.eA > It sounds like the Government is very concerned about security,0I > availability,  and reliability.  At the bottom of the article is a post0 yourI > comments area... I wanted to mention OpenVMS but the topic said it all,eH > "List names security holes in Windows and Unix most often exploited by > hackers."  >t > K http://www.techtv.com/news/hackingandsecurity/story/0,24195,3350889,00.htmlv >oJ > I'm glad the DII COE effort for OpenVMS is continuing, it might become a+ > prerequisite for any Government platform.t  K Actually, restricting the comments to Windoze and UNIX makes sense... theretH are precious few exploitable chinks in the OpenVMS armor. Ask the DFWCUG@ folks who participated in DEFCON9 and proved VMS to be "Cool and Unhackable."   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:50:57 GMTR* From: cjt & trefoil <cheljuba@prodigy.net>" Subject: Re: Memo:  Big Alpha Deal* Message-ID: <3BC4ED1E.3430BC2@prodigy.net>   paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com wrote:e > " > Found floating in cyber space... > A > INFORMATIONWEEK via NewsEdge Corporation : The AlphaServer, the K > high-powered but commercially unsuccessful server based on Compaq's Alpha-I > chip, got new life last week when the U.S. military awarded a five-yeareI > contract that could be worth up to $857 million for systems using CiscosJ > Systems' networking equipment, AlphaServer computers, and the Tru64 Unix > operating system.  <snip>  K I think that same GTSI announced a contract worth up to $4 +/- billion for r Sun kit a few weeeks ago.i  ( http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010730/2545.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:28:29 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>" Subject: Re: Memo:  Big Alpha Deal; Message-ID: <1B6x7.8853$f6.3420761@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   7 "cjt & trefoil" <cheljuba@prodigy.net> wrote in message $ news:3BC4ED1E.3430BC2@prodigy.net... > paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com wrote:o > >T$ > > Found floating in cyber space... > >iC > > INFORMATIONWEEK via NewsEdge Corporation : The AlphaServer, therG > > high-powered but commercially unsuccessful server based on Compaq'sw AlphasK > > chip, got new life last week when the U.S. military awarded a five-yearkK > > contract that could be worth up to $857 million for systems using CiscodL > > Systems' networking equipment, AlphaServer computers, and the Tru64 Unix > > operating system.  > <snip> >eL > I think that same GTSI announced a contract worth up to $4 +/- billion for > Sun kit a few weeeks ago.  >k* > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010730/2545.html  G Well, as the late Everett Dirksen once said, "a billion here, a billionv4 there, pretty soon you're talking about real money."   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:24:39 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>- Subject: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Day > Message-ID: <b82x7.104547$vq.20897563@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  : The Microsoft Security Slipup du jour for October 10 is...  ( Microsoft closes window to customer data
 By Paul Festa  Staff Writer, CNET News.comt October 10, 2001, 11:50 a.m. PTi< http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-7475010.html?tag=prntfrI Microsoft moved swiftly this week to close a security gap in its customeriE service Web site that let anyone with a browser view customers' salese+ records and other confidential information.   + Makes you glad you use VMS, doesn't it? ;-}n   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Oct 2001 20:39:22 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)d1 Subject: Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Dayt' Message-ID: <9q2blq$7f0$1@joe.rice.edu>e  3 Terry C. Shannon (terryshannon@mediaone.net) wrote:a< : The Microsoft Security Slipup du jour for October 10 is... :e* : Microsoft closes window to customer data : By Paul Festag : Staff Writer, CNET News.come! : October 10, 2001, 11:50 a.m. PTi> : http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-7475010.html?tag=prntfrK : Microsoft moved swiftly this week to close a security gap in its customereG : service Web site that let anyone with a browser view customers' salesl- : records and other confidential information.M :i- : Makes you glad you use VMS, doesn't it? ;-}s :   < There's the latest CERT advisory on Excel and Powerpoint at:  0   http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-28.html8   CERT Advisory CA-2001-28 Automatic Execution of Macros     "Systems Affected3       Systems running:      * Windows            + Microsoft Excel 2000            + Microsoft Excel 2002%           + Microsoft PowerPoint 2000 %           + Microsoft PowerPoint 2002T      * Macintosh           + Microsoft Excel 98            + Microsoft Excel 2001#           + Microsoft PowerPoint 98p%           + Microsoft PowerPoint 2001o  
   Overview  C    An intruder can include a specially crafted macro in a MicrosoftI@    Excel or PowerPoint document that can avoid detection and runE    automatically regardless of the security settings specified by thee    user.   I. Description  E    Microsoft Excel and PowerPoint scan documents when they are openeduB    and check for the existence of macros. If the document containsD    macros, the user running Excel or PowerPoint is alerted and askedF    if he would like the macros to be run. However, Microsoft Excel and<    PowerPoint may not detect malformed macros, so a user canC    unknowingly run macros containing malicious code when opening ane     Excel or PowerPoint document.  @    An intruder who can entice or deceive a victim into opening aC    document using a vulnerable version of Excel or PowerPoint couldnD    take any action the victim could take, including, but not limited    toc  F      * reading, deleting, or modifying data, either locally or on open        file sharesD      * modifying security settings (including macro virus protection        settings)      * sending electronic mail<      * posting data to or retrieving data from web sites..."  @ Our country's enemies wouldn't dare explore such security holes,> would they ? they probably are thankful that Microsoft systems are so wide-spread. :-(e  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:00:44 -0700c* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>1 Subject: Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Dayq@ Message-ID: <iA3x7.197346$xi5.7193383@sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com>  6 "Jerry Leslie" <leslie@clio.rice.edu> wrote in message! news:9q2blq$7f0$1@joe.rice.edu...  >fB > Our country's enemies wouldn't dare explore such security holes,@ > would they ? they probably are thankful that Microsoft systems > are so wide-spread. :-(w >eH On the contrary.  To exploit it bin Laden and his cohorts in their cavesK would have to connect to the overhead satellite (no phone lines after all).tK How long does it take a KH (or whatever has replaced it these days) to findeH a microwave transmitter against the nicely quiet background of the PamirK mountains?  Another two hours for the Tomahawk and that particular securityn/ hole is terminated in a rather forceful manner.-     Jack Peacock   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Oct 2001 23:19:47 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)-1 Subject: Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Day ' Message-ID: <9q2l2j$gc1$1@joe.rice.edu>n  ) Jack Peacock (peacock@simconv.com) wrote:g8 : "Jerry Leslie" <leslie@clio.rice.edu> wrote in message# : news:9q2blq$7f0$1@joe.rice.edu...o : >mD : > Our country's enemies wouldn't dare explore such security holes,B : > would they ? they probably are thankful that Microsoft systems : > are so wide-spread. :-(o : > J : On the contrary.  To exploit it bin Laden and his cohorts in their cavesM : would have to connect to the overhead satellite (no phone lines after all). M : How long does it take a KH (or whatever has replaced it these days) to finddJ : a microwave transmitter against the nicely quiet background of the PamirM : mountains?  Another two hours for the Tomahawk and that particular securityr1 : hole is terminated in a rather forceful manner.l :d  G That would sure work for the ones in Afghanistan, but what about their t0 operatives working in the US, Europe, and Asia ?  ; These people are using techniques such as stenography, per:e  @    http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2780928,00.html&    News: How the NSA is monitoring you     "...The trouble is, mostD    world-class criminals and terrorists aren't sending incriminatingG    plain-text e-mails. They're using other methods to communicate, such04    as steganography (hiding files within a file)..."  @ The US TV networks have agreed NOT to broadcast unedited Taliban= broadcasts, for fear that they could contain hidden messages.   A Just because Afghanistan is a primitive country doesn't mean thatlF their operatives don't have the ability to exploit Microsoft security + holes from someplace like Iraq, Libya, etc.   4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:03:20 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e1 Subject: Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Day , Message-ID: <3BC4E1C5.24E13D81@videotron.ca>  D > > Our country's enemies wouldn't dare explore such security holes,B > > would they ? they probably are thankful that Microsoft systems > > are so wide-spread. :-(d  M Has anyone noticed how quiet Billy Gates has been recently ? Has he announced 9 any significant donations to help the folks in New York ?c  K Has he even denounced the attacks ? I think that Gates is just one of thosewI Bin Laden cells operating to undermine the USA's economic infrastructure.u   :-) :-) :-)a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:18:14 GMTa4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>1 Subject: Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Day > Message-ID: <az5x7.105087$vq.21098819@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  6 "Jerry Leslie" <leslie@clio.rice.edu> wrote in message! news:9q2l2j$gc1$1@joe.rice.edu...A+ > Jack Peacock (peacock@simconv.com) wrote:i: > : "Jerry Leslie" <leslie@clio.rice.edu> wrote in message% > : news:9q2blq$7f0$1@joe.rice.edu...  > : >nF > : > Our country's enemies wouldn't dare explore such security holes,D > : > would they ? they probably are thankful that Microsoft systems > : > are so wide-spread. :-(t > : >yL > : On the contrary.  To exploit it bin Laden and his cohorts in their cavesI > : would have to connect to the overhead satellite (no phone lines afters all).oJ > : How long does it take a KH (or whatever has replaced it these days) to findL > : a microwave transmitter against the nicely quiet background of the Pamir > : mountains?  D Not too long. Back in the bad old days of Viet Nam when we used ARDFL (airborne radio direction finding), we could pinpoint the bad guys in a veryC few minutes. And that's before folks like myself were replaced witho spaceborne assets.  B >: Another two hours for the Tomahawk and that particular security3 > : hole is terminated in a rather forceful manner.s  I Even quicker if you happen to have some tactical air support loitering inL the neighborhood. ;-}    > :  >rH > That would sure work for the ones in Afghanistan, but what about their2 > operatives working in the US, Europe, and Asia ? >a= > These people are using techniques such as stenography, per:s > B >    http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2780928,00.html( >    News: How the NSA is monitoring you >e >   "...The trouble is, mostF >    world-class criminals and terrorists aren't sending incriminatingI >    plain-text e-mails. They're using other methods to communicate, suchd6 >    as steganography (hiding files within a file)..." >cB > The US TV networks have agreed NOT to broadcast unedited Taliban? > broadcasts, for fear that they could contain hidden messages.n > C > Just because Afghanistan is a primitive country doesn't mean that G > their operatives don't have the ability to exploit Microsoft securityy- > holes from someplace like Iraq, Libya, etc.-  K True. Scumbag Bin Laden and his verminous filth are wise to ways of No Suchl1 Agency and ply their murderous trade accordingly.$   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Oct 2001 21:07:21 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 1 Subject: Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Daym3 Message-ID: <7h7Rc+bnLNEc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   u In article <az5x7.105087$vq.21098819@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:m  F > Not too long. Back in the bad old days of Viet Nam when we used ARDFN > (airborne radio direction finding), we could pinpoint the bad guys in a veryE > few minutes. And that's before folks like myself were replaced withd > spaceborne assets.  " Sorry you lost your job, Terry :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Oct 2001 21:09:06 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)a1 Subject: Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Days3 Message-ID: <9H$jENHh$sQu@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  u In article <az5x7.105087$vq.21098819@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:e  M > True. Scumbag Bin Laden and his verminous filth are wise to ways of No Suche3 > Agency and ply their murderous trade accordingly.   C Not that wise.  He didn't stop using his SatPhone until a member ofa* congress spilled some methods information.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:24:37 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>1 Subject: Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Day,; Message-ID: <Fp7x7.8867$f6.3446126@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:7h7Rc+bnLNEc@eisner.encompasserve.org...cJ > In article <az5x7.105087$vq.21098819@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C., Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >aH > > Not too long. Back in the bad old days of Viet Nam when we used ARDFK > > (airborne radio direction finding), we could pinpoint the bad guys in al veryG > > few minutes. And that's before folks like myself were replaced withe > > spaceborne assets. >@$ > Sorry you lost your job, Terry :-)  L I'm not. Not only is it nice to have an excuse other than "I was replaced byG a computer," two years in the Southeast Asian War Games was plenty longy enough for me.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:25:42 GMTV4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>1 Subject: Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Daya; Message-ID: <Gq7x7.8868$f6.3446864@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>r  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:9H$jENHh$sQu@eisner.encompasserve.org...qJ > In article <az5x7.105087$vq.21098819@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C., Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >vJ > > True. Scumbag Bin Laden and his verminous filth are wise to ways of No Such5 > > Agency and ply their murderous trade accordingly.n >oE > Not that wise.  He didn't stop using his SatPhone until a member oft, > congress spilled some methods information.  . Gee, isn't that what Congresscritters do best?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:53:54 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>h1 Subject: Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Dayt, Message-ID: <3BC517BC.B9FE4173@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:sF > Not too long. Back in the bad old days of Viet Nam when we used ARDFN > (airborne radio direction finding), we could pinpoint the bad guys in a veryE > few minutes. And that's before folks like myself were replaced witho > spaceborne assets. ... M > True. Scumbag Bin Laden and his verminous filth are wise to ways of No Sucha3 > Agency and ply their murderous trade accordingly.d    N Perhaps you should stop focusing on some hopeless computer company and go back to where the real action is ?    Shannon Knows Bin Laden !   F I hear there is a $25 million bounty. More than you'd make selling VMS newsletters :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:57:30 -0400m- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>q1 Subject: Re: Microsoft Security Slipup of the Day , Message-ID: <3BC51894.1B11D50D@videotron.ca>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:E > Not that wise.  He didn't stop using his SatPhone until a member ofh, > congress spilled some methods information.    M He stopped using his satphone just prior to the Cruise missile attacks duringmM the Clinton/Lewinsky administration.  (That is one of the reasons that attackSH failed since Bin laden had clued in to the fact that the USA was able to6 triangulate his position from his use of a sat phone).  N I don't know what information the current congress critters may have released,0 but I don't think it was anything very valuable.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:12:33 -0000l From: ellis@no.spam ()) Subject: Re: My balls itch IS A VIRUS!!!!r3 Message-ID: <1002748354.310282@no.spam.spinics.net>S  N In article <VA.00000472.07352aee@sture.ch>, Paul Sture  <paul@sture.ch> wrote:   >What was that ????   A It's a javascript bomb for people silly enough to have javascriptR on for news.   -- http://www.spinics.net/linux   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:57:46 GMT>+ From: "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com>n) Subject: Re: NT connection to VMS machineT5 Message-ID: <1002754058.339059@ananke.eclipse.net.uk>   = "Gary E. Green" <gegreen@dra-consulting.com> wrote in messagem2 news:3bc409e6$0$42872$f92e4de5@news.stratos.net...H > Depending on what you want to do, a package called "Reflection" can beG > purchased for the NT side.  In addition to file transfer, it providesA decent > terminal emulation >6  J I use this, its excellent. (no I dont work there, just use it) find a demo
 version at www.wrq.comb  	 Good luck    Andy   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:56:51 -0300-' From: "Valdemir" <valdemir-@uol.com.br> 0 Subject: Phone question..(dialing to other user)< Message-ID: <000e01c151e8$fab960c0$ba020001@unipobjetivo.br>  
 Hello all:  L  I=B4m needing a VMS application to communicate with other users in my syst= em.>  J  I have tried Phone, but in Phone I need put the username to dial, not the
 process name.     See below:l      J    USERNAME               PROCESS_NAME         PID                TERMINAL  G  GM_UDPVRG_BD     1986_SILVIA            0011A288  TNA3973:      (Host:a 19.0.0.120       Port: 1026)  E  GM_UDPVRG_BD      1693_FLAVIA          0002DF4D  TNA7342:     (Host:  19.0.0.29        Port: 1025)  L  GM_UDPVRG_BD      1823_FERNANDA    000F620D  TNA7580:      (Host: 19.0.0.5= 3A Port: 1075)m  D  GM_UDPVRG_BD       3167_ROBERTA     0016F63E  TNA7558:       (Host: 19.0.0.7         Port: 1172)  L  GM_UDPVRG_BD       3295_ROBERTO     000E80BC  TNA7038:      (Host: 19.0.0.= 5/ Port: 1044)m  F  GM_UDPVRG_KL       1808_KARINA        000CCBC0  TNA5063:       (Host: 19.0.0.12        Port: 1075)  H  GM_UDPVRG_KL       3116_LILIAN           0004CBCE  TNA1308:      (Host: 19.0.0.60        Port: 1028)  C  GM_UDPVRG_KL       3326_ALEXANDRE 00196E35  TNA7070:        (Host:u 19.0.0.12        Port: 1072)   Example:  A How can I dial the process_name 1823_fernanda to Phone  with me ?    Phone doesn=B4t permit this.  C Is there any freeware  VMS application  that can I use to do this ?    Thanks in advance...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:42:55 -0500m1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 4 Subject: Re: Phone question..(dialing to other user)' Message-ID: <3BC5153F.7C2D6B11@fsi.net>o   Valdemir wrote:i >  > Hello all: > N >  Im needing a VMS application to communicate with other users in my system. > L >  I have tried Phone, but in Phone I need put the username to dial, not the > process name.. > 
 >  See below:l > L >    USERNAME               PROCESS_NAME         PID                TERMINAL > I >  GM_UDPVRG_BD     1986_SILVIA            0011A288  TNA3973:      (Host:  > 19.0.0.120       Port: 1026) > G >  GM_UDPVRG_BD      1693_FLAVIA          0002DF4D  TNA7342:     (Host:P > 19.0.0.29        Port: 1025) > N >  GM_UDPVRG_BD      1823_FERNANDA    000F620D  TNA7580:      (Host: 19.0.0.53
 > Port: 1075)? > F >  GM_UDPVRG_BD       3167_ROBERTA     0016F63E  TNA7558:       (Host: > 19.0.0.7         Port: 1172) > N >  GM_UDPVRG_BD       3295_ROBERTO     000E80BC  TNA7038:      (Host: 19.0.0.5
 > Port: 1044)n > H >  GM_UDPVRG_KL       1808_KARINA        000CCBC0  TNA5063:       (Host: > 19.0.0.12        Port: 1075) > J >  GM_UDPVRG_KL       3116_LILIAN           0004CBCE  TNA1308:      (Host: > 19.0.0.60        Port: 1028) > E >  GM_UDPVRG_KL       3326_ALEXANDRE 00196E35  TNA7070:        (Host:  > 19.0.0.12        Port: 1072) > 
 > Example: > C > How can I dial the process_name 1823_fernanda to Phone  with me ?i >  > Phone doesnt permit this. > E > Is there any freeware  VMS application  that can I use to do this ?  >  > Thanks in advance...  9 Sorry, but when you abuse the rules, the rules abuse you.w  9 You can't PHONE a specific process, only a specific user.    -- f David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:45:31 +0100m+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>tC Subject: Re: Query wrt routing caches in DECnet Phase V on OVMS 7.1 ' Message-ID: <3BC4B36B.D544DBF2@iee.org>d   Mark Corcoran wrote:B > CLUSA1/2/3 and CLUSB1/2/3 are all end nodes, they are not DECnetD > routers, although there are some routers between the two clusters,B > which (purportedly;  they are supported by another group) handle > both DECnet and TCP/IP > H > Myself and my colleague then speculated/hypothesised on whether or notI > even an end node has some sort of routing cache, and further speculatedcH > on whether or not it is held in a permanent on-disk cache, rather than@ > a volatile, in-memory one (which would explain why, if it were8 > corrupted, a simple OVMS reboot would have no effect).  & I'm fairly certain there is at least a* cache for those nodes that are on the same* extended LAN. There is an on-NI bit in one' of the connect messages that is clearedl% by any router that routes the messaget+ off the LAN. End nodes remember other nodese0 that communicate and the on-NI bit is still set:0 when replying they go direct to them rather than via a Phase V router.a  2 I don't think any of this is stoed on disk though.  D > ISTR that when a DECnet node dies (e.g. power fail, machine check,G > planned shutdown, someone physically cuts any of the numerous cables, F > fibres, &etc. between the two systems), it takes several attempts atF > communication before DECnet marks the node as "not available" (hence  ( Communication attempts would be made for/ each transport (NSP, OSITP, IP) enabled on the  , initiating node which matches a towerset for the target node.  E > Anyone have any thoughts on this strange turn of events?  If DECnet C > relies on receiving broadcast messages from a system, to indicaterD > that it is back up again, I'm guessing that any router boxes whichD > filter out these messages, are not "a good thing" (not that I know4 > for certain that they do do this, you understand)?  & One way connectivity such as you have,& suggests a misconfiguration somewhere.( DECdns is usually a good source of these" but since you use numerical decnet+ addresses, you seem to have ruled that out.o  % That leaves the broken CLUSA node andD+ the intervening router(s). How many routersk& are on the same extended LAN as CLUSA?. What sort of routers are they (DEC or non-DEC)( and can you look at them even though you don't manage them?  - Remotely debugging these things is tricky to e+ say the least. I would start by tracing theu, path the packets ought to take and verifying/ that the next hop is always right. The end node * can choose *any* Phase V router on the LAN) to forward its data, so you have to go tol& each of them and verify that the next ) hop is correct. Then follow the path froml there.  & You can also mess things up royally by# having multiple circuits on the endo- node (we used to get this all the time in ther( lab when someone would add an additional, WAN circuit to an endnode to do some testing and forget to clean up!)   Antonioo       -- o   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgh   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:01:49 GMTn+ From: Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com>n" Subject: Re: Question on VMS Virus+ Message-ID: <3BC4CB81.D899F601@ins-msi.com>   : Pointsecure has a white paper about the Defcon9 VMS setup:  -    http://www.pointsecure.com/Defconwhite.pdf-  
 Jeff Campbelli n8wxs@arrl.net   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > P > In article <VA.00000477.0ae94cc2@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes: > I > > Ever since the first reports of VMS's success at DEF CON, I have beenhG > > wondering to what extent  an "out of the box" system was used. IOW,'J > > is that level of security something we can all achieve easily, or doesD > > it require a lot of expertise? (I am thinking along the lines ofD > > steep learning curve = the potential to leave stuff open through > > ignorance)., > H > What I heard in a hallway conversation at the Anaheim DECUS conferenceI > was that the add-on software from (I forget the company) was put on for4H > the purpose of monitoring attacks in the "dynamic" DEFCON environment. > E > So raw VMS ought to do just fine if you don't have a requirement too@ > produce heavy-duty statistics on how you are getting attacked.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Oct 2001 12:41:55 -0700$ From: leeroth@my-deja.com (Lee Roth)< Subject: SEDT problems on RedHat 7.1 (was Re: EDT for Linux)= Message-ID: <d0e744c9.0110101141.79456ed5@posting.google.com>i  n "John Macallister" <J.Macallister1@physics.oxford.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<9ofn00$ca5$1@news.ox.ac.uk>...L > I have to use Linux a lot these days and would like to have an EDT editor,1 > just plain old EDT and not necessarily TPU/EVE.-) > Anyone know of an EDT editor for Linux?d >  > John  B I've been a long-time fan of SEDT and used it successfully on DOS,C VMS, various Unix flavors: TruUnix, Solaris, Linux. Used it a bunch D within DEC, a bunch after DEC (long story of why SEDT is my favorite editor omited).i  ? SEDT editor is at: http://www.ultranet.com/~anker/sedt/sedt.htmr  E Now for my problem: The pre-compiled binary that comes in the 'linux'tC SEDT tar set used to run fine under RedHat 6.2, but won't run undere RedHat 7.1 - example:i  
  $ ls -l sedti=  -rwx--x--x    1 roth     roth       183210 Feb  5  1996 sedth  [roth@dev2 s]$ ./sedt(  bash: ./sedt: No such file or directory  [roth@dev2 s]$   C Odd stuff... newsgroup investigations suggest a rebuild might be in : order, so I decided to recompile SEDT, but that's a no go:    [roth@dev2 s]$ ./buildi=  cc -O -DUNIX -DTERMCAP -DANSIC -DLINUX   -c -o vars.o vars.ci(  vars.c:291: parse error before `My_UID'B  vars.c:291: warning: data definition has no type or storage class(  vars.c:293: parse error before `My_GID'B  vars.c:293: warning: data definition has no type or storage class  make: *** [vars.o] Error 1     The offending code in vars.c is:      284  #if defined(UNIX)s"    285  char Defined_Terminal[80];/    286          /*User supplied terminal type*/u    287  int Org_Width=0;.    288          /*Original width of terminal*/    289  int Same_Character=0;n    290  int Saved_Character=0;    291  uid_t My_UID;a#    292   /*UID of current process*//    293  gid_t My_GID;i#    294   /*GID of current process*/N    295  #endif  F I've been playing around with the -I qualifiers to make the build lookE in other directories for include files that may fix the definition ofaC uid_t and gid_t but haven't found the magic combination yet. I'm nonF 'C' giant, but I did manage to modify SEDT sources enough to get it to? build on Solaris a few years back. So far this one has me beat.t  6 Has anyone successfully rebuilt SEDT under RedHat 7.1?   Thanks,t   Lee (an old fart from DEC)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:33:55 -0500o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>y@ Subject: Re: SEDT problems on RedHat 7.1 (was Re: EDT for Linux)' Message-ID: <3BC50513.4F4A0D91@fsi.net>e   Lee Roth wrote:a > p > "John Macallister" <J.Macallister1@physics.oxford.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<9ofn00$ca5$1@news.ox.ac.uk>...N > > I have to use Linux a lot these days and would like to have an EDT editor,3 > > just plain old EDT and not necessarily TPU/EVE.<+ > > Anyone know of an EDT editor for Linux?n > >" > > John > D > I've been a long-time fan of SEDT and used it successfully on DOS,E > VMS, various Unix flavors: TruUnix, Solaris, Linux. Used it a bunchoF > within DEC, a bunch after DEC (long story of why SEDT is my favorite > editor omited).s > A > SEDT editor is at: http://www.ultranet.com/~anker/sedt/sedt.htmt > G > Now for my problem: The pre-compiled binary that comes in the 'linux'1E > SEDT tar set used to run fine under RedHat 6.2, but won't run underR > RedHat 7.1 - example:p >  >  $ ls -l sedtg? >  -rwx--x--x    1 roth     roth       183210 Feb  5  1996 sedtx >  [roth@dev2 s]$ ./sedt* >  bash: ./sedt: No such file or directory >  [roth@dev2 s]$n >  > Odd stuff...   Rough guess - try:   $ chmod g+r,o+r sedt  D ...and try again. Don't ask me why that should mater. without seeingF your /etc/groups file (if there is one in Linux), it's a long shot, at best.o   Shot in the relative dark...   -- m David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/j   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:05:03 -07003* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com># Subject: Re: Shannon The Omniscientt@ Message-ID: <mE3x7.197415$xi5.7196829@sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3BC480DF.54344F3E@videotron.ca...( > how about "Shannon knows losers" ????? > H Heeding the call from the White House, the newly launched "Shannon KnowsF Terrorism" will appear next week.  Wall Street analysts give the newlyH merged worldwide terror network no more than a year to survive before itB collapses from insolvency, incredibly inept marketing, and stellar mismanagement.     Jack Peacock   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:27:15 GMTa4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net># Subject: Re: Shannon The Omniscient,> Message-ID: <7X3x7.104871$vq.21006165@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  5 "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote in messageo: news:mE3x7.197415$xi5.7196829@sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com...< > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3BC480DF.54344F3E@videotron.ca...* > > how about "Shannon knows losers" ????? > >.J > Heeding the call from the White House, the newly launched "Shannon KnowsH > Terrorism" will appear next week.  Wall Street analysts give the newlyJ > merged worldwide terror network no more than a year to survive before itD > collapses from insolvency, incredibly inept marketing, and stellar > mismanagement. >     Jack Peacock >h  - If this would work, I'd do it in a heartbeat!c   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:09:53 GMT00 From: Monty Brandenberg <mcbinc@ne.mediaone.net>C Subject: Re: Shannon The Omniscient (Re: Renaming SKC (was "itch")) . Message-ID: <3BC4AB49.A55CACF@ne.mediaone.net>   JF Mezei wrote:w > ( > how about "Shannon knows losers" ????? > 5 > Shannon chose to focus on Digital. Digital flopped.oK > then Shannon chose to focus on Compaq, Compaq is about to cease to exist.'M > and in all probablility Shannon will chose to follow HP, so will HP also gor > belly up ?  A Then could I suggest 'Shannon Knows Microsoft' and hope the trendy
 continues?   -- eM Monty Brandenberg, Software Consultant                              MCB, Inc. M mcbinc@world.std.com                                          P.O. Box 426188iM mcbinc@ne.mediaone.net                              Cambridge, MA  02142-0021g 617.864.6907   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:13:52 GMT74 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>C Subject: Re: Shannon The Omniscient (Re: Renaming SKC (was "itch")) > Message-ID: <4_1x7.104545$vq.20889500@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  = "Monty Brandenberg" <mcbinc@ne.mediaone.net> wrote in messageh( news:3BC4AB49.A55CACF@ne.mediaone.net... > JF Mezei wrote:d > >g* > > how about "Shannon knows losers" ????? > >t7 > > Shannon chose to focus on Digital. Digital flopped. F > > then Shannon chose to focus on Compaq, Compaq is about to cease to exist.L > > and in all probablility Shannon will chose to follow HP, so will HP also go > > belly up ? >wC > Then could I suggest 'Shannon Knows Microsoft' and hope the trend  > continues? >w  I That's an idea, but somehow I don't think it'll work. I currently live in K Massachusetts, so I know about confiscatory taxation. It has not gone away.I ;-}I  K Further to the "continuing trend" idea, Perhaps "Shannon Knows SPAMMERS" isA worth a shot...e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:40:31 -0400t+ From: "Chris Moore" <mc.moore@sympatico.ca>tC Subject: Re: Shannon The Omniscient (Re: Renaming SKC (was "itch")) : Message-ID: <ah2x7.14948$jM.1777481@news20.bellglobal.com>  
 How about:J     "Shannon Knows Quite a Bit....but Does ANYBODY Know What Capellas Will Muck Up Next?"      ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in messagee: news:20011010153519.21165.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com...# I suggest Shannon The Omniscient...e     :-)e   REgardsw   FC, --- David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote: > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:s >.4 > > "Christopher Smith" <csmith@amdocs.com> wrote in	 > messagee > >i > F news:3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF1170DD4D@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com...* > > > I guess Shannon Knows Javascript. :) > > >  > > 5 > > Actually, no. But that's the first entry I've had0 > in "What Do I Rename the- > > Newsletter THIS Time Around" contest! ;-}e >e > How about:   Shannon Knows >e6 > It sounds a bit ominous but you won't have to change > it when HP implodesB > (which it will if either' > Carly or Curly are running the show.)s > 4 > CF spent yesterday trying to convince the analysts > that HP could absorb > Compaq without so much6 > as a burp.  Pretty much the same nonsense that the Q > was spouting right& > before it bought DEC - only more so. >L4 > Meanwhile, Michael Dell's driving his big rig down > the PC highway where a. > couple of old slow deer named  HP and Compaq/ > are blinking into his headlights.  Instead of2! > getting out of the way they areN) > moving into an an entanglement straight.1 > out of the advanced sections of the Kama Sutra.B > Which  suggests one other & > name (which has been, unfortunately,2 > historically accurate):  Shannon Knows Roadkill. >0
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog > mathog@caltech.edu >K     =====8 ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil6 fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:00:22 +0200o& From: John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch>C Subject: Re: Shannon The Omniscient (Re: Renaming SKC (was "itch"))a* Message-ID: <3BC4C4F6.E3C2A8C2@dplanet.ch>  ( We could have a lot of fun with this ...   Shannon knows IBM - SKIy* Shannon knows wide-area transports - SKWAT Shannon knows OpenVMS - SKO  Shannon knows INTel - SKINT1 Shannon knows UNiX - SKUNX< Shannon Knows Why Everyone Leaves Compaq Hurriedly - SKWELCH     John McL     Chris Moore wrote: > =    > How about:J >     "Shannon Knows Quite a Bit....but Does ANYBODY Know What Capellas W= ill. > Muck Up Next?" > =   = > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message < > news:20011010153519.21165.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com...% > I suggest Shannon The Omniscient...0 > =    > :-): > =)  	 > REgardsD > =B   > FC. > --- David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote: > > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:2 > > 6 > > > "Christopher Smith" <csmith@amdocs.com> wrote in > > message: > > >. > > H > news:3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF1170DD4D@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com..., > > > > I guess Shannon Knows Javascript. :) > > > >G > > >G7 > > > Actually, no. But that's the first entry I've had  > > in "What Do I Rename the/ > > > Newsletter THIS Time Around" contest! ;-}  > >0 > > How about:   Shannon Knows > >P8 > > It sounds a bit ominous but you won't have to change > > it when HP implodes  > > (which it will if either) > > Carly or Curly are running the show.)E > >E6 > > CF spent yesterday trying to convince the analysts > > that HP could absorb > > Compaq without so much8 > > as a burp.  Pretty much the same nonsense that the Q > > was spouting right( > > before it bought DEC - only more so. > >h6 > > Meanwhile, Michael Dell's driving his big rig down > > the PC highway where a0 > > couple of old slow deer named  HP and Compaq1 > > are blinking into his headlights.  Instead off# > > getting out of the way they areh+ > > moving into an an entanglement straighta3 > > out of the advanced sections of the Kama Sutra.o > > Which  suggests one other-( > > name (which has been, unfortunately,4 > > historically accurate):  Shannon Knows Roadkill. > >: > > Regards, > >i > > David Mathog > > mathog@caltech.edu > >g > =    > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DeK > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=, =3D=3D > F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brK > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=f =3D=3D > =a  4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?. > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:17:47 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>C Subject: Re: Shannon The Omniscient (Re: Renaming SKC (was "itch"))e> Message-ID: <fO3x7.104864$vq.20998347@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  6 "Chris Moore" <mc.moore@sympatico.ca> wrote in message4 news:ah2x7.14948$jM.1777481@news20.bellglobal.com... > How about:L >     "Shannon Knows Quite a Bit....but Does ANYBODY Know What Capellas Will > Muck Up Next?" >r  : Certainly not Shannon... Color me clueless in this regard!   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:19:16 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>C Subject: Re: Shannon The Omniscient (Re: Renaming SKC (was "itch"))a> Message-ID: <EP3x7.104866$vq.20999481@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  3 "John McLean" <mcleanj@dplanet.ch> wrote in message $ news:3BC4C4F6.E3C2A8C2@dplanet.ch...  ( We could have a lot of fun with this ...   Shannon knows IBM - SKIn* Shannon knows wide-area transports - SKWAT Shannon knows OpenVMS - SKOn Shannon knows INTel - SKINTu Shannon knows UNiX - SKUNX< Shannon Knows Why Everyone Leaves Compaq Hurriedly - SKWELCH    ; Well, I imagine Compaq would "skwelch" the last suggestion.s  < Maybe it's time to dust off the old Charlie Matco persona...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 04:28:06 +0100 1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>uC Subject: Re: Shannon The Omniscient (Re: Renaming SKC (was "itch"))o5 Message-ID: <3BC51FD6.3649CE1@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>    "Shannon Knows Takeovers".  G Oops, sorry.  "Shannon Knows "Mergers"". (or should that be two doubleso round mergers???)o Steve.     Terry C. Shannon wrote:a > 8 > "Chris Moore" <mc.moore@sympatico.ca> wrote in message6 > news:ah2x7.14948$jM.1777481@news20.bellglobal.com... > > How about:N > >     "Shannon Knows Quite a Bit....but Does ANYBODY Know What Capellas Will > > Muck Up Next?" > >t > < > Certainly not Shannon... Color me clueless in this regard!   -- aG "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent likeeE a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath.nA Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'"l% 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 03:59:10 GMTd* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>C Subject: Re: Shannon The Omniscient (Re: Renaming SKC (was "itch"))oB Message-ID: <iO8x7.159939$hh.13858168@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>    How about:-  >     "Shannon Knows Inventing Inspiration Technology" ( SKIIT )     -Andy- --   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:17:34 +0200C2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)C Subject: Re: Shannon The Omniscient (Re: Renaming SKC (was "itch"))o; Message-ID: <3bc51d5e.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   ' John McLean (mcleanj@dplanet.ch) wrote:0* > We could have a lot of fun with this ...   Personally, I like   > Shannon knows UNiX - SKUNX  	 best :-))s   cu,F   Martin -- eJ One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deeJ One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:23:50 GMTv* From: Steven Whatley <swhatley@blkbox.com># Subject: Sharing a ssytem dump filefC Message-ID: <af1x7.884112$ai2.68105322@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>k   Hi all,y  J I'm the administrator of two VAX 7610s in a cluster running VMS 5.5-2.  WeJ are running out of space on the system disk.  $1$DUS0: is a 2GB disk.  TheK disk runs 92% to 95% full.  When the disk reaches 95% full, bad things seem54 to happen (system crashes, queue manager dies, etc).  L One option is to use a common sysdump.dmp file.  We currently have two 512MBI dump files under [sys0] and [sys1].  I've found the procedure to create apJ common dump file using SYSGEN and SET FILE/ENTER.  The problem is we don'tL have room to create a common dump file without deleteing one of the existing files.  L How do I go about deleting one of the sysdump.dmp file?  Could I just deleteF the [sys1] sysdump file and just alias the [sys0.sysexe]sysdump.dmp to: [sys1.sysexe]sysdump.dmp?  Can I do this without a reboot?   Thanks,s Steven	 OAO Corp.h Houston, TXc -- e.                      ___     ____________     K Steven Whatley  <<<((__O\   (__<>___<>__ \   ____     Don't get rattled by .L swhatley@blkbox.com    \ \_(__<>___<>__)\O\_/O___>-<  what I say.  It's justA Houston, Texas          \O__<>___<>___<>)\___/        my opinion.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:35:20 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)' Subject: Re: Sharing a ssytem dump filer1 Message-ID: <Yp1x7.244$RL6.2026@news.cpqcorp.net>i  p In article <af1x7.884112$ai2.68105322@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, Steven Whatley <swhatley@blkbox.com> writes:  K :I'm the administrator of two VAX 7610s in a cluster running VMS 5.5-2.  WeiH :are running out of space on the system disk.  $1$DUS0: is a 2GB disk.    C   Phase I shadowing?  I have heard of very few sites that have not M:   migrated to Phase II shadowing.  I would encourage this.  L :The disk runs 92% to 95% full.  When the disk reaches 95% full, bad things : :seem to happen (system crashes, queue manager dies, etc).  D   That is unusual.  I'd expect to see hangs and such, but not system
   crashes.  M :One option is to use a common sysdump.dmp file.  We currently have two 512MB J :dump files under [sys0] and [sys1].  I've found the procedure to create aK :common dump file using SYSGEN and SET FILE/ENTER.  The problem is we don't M :have room to create a common dump file without deleteing one of the existingu :files.   C   Unless you are intending to capture a crash, you could reduce the B   dump file to a stub file big enough to hold the error log entry.  M :How do I go about deleting one of the sysdump.dmp file?  Could I just deletenG :the [sys1] sysdump file and just alias the [sys0.sysexe]sysdump.dmp toc; :[sys1.sysexe]sysdump.dmp?  Can I do this without a reboot?a  B   There is a selective dump mechanism available, which will reduceC   the amount of data that needs to be written.  Dump off the systemfC   disk (DOSD) capabilities are also an option on various platforms.i)   (Both are available on later releases.)t  E   You could also look to increase the available storage, since a 2 GBo   disk is rather small.s  I   To proceed along the course that you have currently chosen, RENAME the  G   existing dump file to another name, reboot the systems to release thetH   connections to the existing dump file, DELETE the old (renamed) file, G   CREATE the new file in the SYS$COMMON area, SET FILE/ENTER the alias l2   entries into the SYS$SPECIFIC roots, and reboot.  I   No, there is no way to do this without a reboot.  (There have been somefK   discussions around mapping the dump file dynamically on a future OpenVMS /I   Alpha release, but -- if that feature is added -- it is unlikely in theoE   extreme that the feature would then be retrofitted into an ancient n   OpenVMS VAX release.)o    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:11:17 GMTe* From: Steven Whatley <swhatley@blkbox.com>' Subject: Re: Sharing a ssytem dump fileiC Message-ID: <VP2x7.884949$ai2.68193759@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>l  3 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:mr > In article <af1x7.884112$ai2.68105322@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, Steven Whatley <swhatley@blkbox.com> writes:N > :The disk runs 92% to 95% full.  When the disk reaches 95% full, bad things < > :seem to happen (system crashes, queue manager dies, etc).  E >  That is unusual.  I'd expect to see hangs and such, but not system. >  crashes.u  L Hanging is what I meant.  Multinet has hung.  We have the one of the systems reboot itself after a halt.    Thanks,w Steven   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:36:31 GMTo) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton)f' Subject: Re: Sharing a ssytem dump filei1 Message-ID: <3bc4dac2.877000169@news.wcc.govt.nz>   F On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:23:50 GMT, Steven Whatley <swhatley@blkbox.com> wrote:   >Hi all, >TK >I'm the administrator of two VAX 7610s in a cluster running VMS 5.5-2.  WeiK >are running out of space on the system disk.  $1$DUS0: is a 2GB disk.  The L >disk runs 92% to 95% full.  When the disk reaches 95% full, bad things seem5 >to happen (system crashes, queue manager dies, etc).p >oM >One option is to use a common sysdump.dmp file.  We currently have two 512MB J >dump files under [sys0] and [sys1].  I've found the procedure to create aK >common dump file using SYSGEN and SET FILE/ENTER.  The problem is we don'teM >have room to create a common dump file without deleteing one of the existingm >files.a  ? You have verified that the file on sys0 and sys1 are different?  dir /file gives the file id. >iM >How do I go about deleting one of the sysdump.dmp file?  Could I just deletetG >the [sys1] sysdump file and just alias the [sys0.sysexe]sysdump.dmp to5; >[sys1.sysexe]sysdump.dmp?  Can I do this without a reboot?j  7 Are the Pagefiles & Swapfiles still on the System Disk?h" Might be easier to move these off.     >a >Thanks, >Steveni
 >OAO Corp. >Houston, TX >-- / >                     ___     ____________     cL >Steven Whatley  <<<((__O\   (__<>___<>__ \   ____     Don't get rattled by M >swhatley@blkbox.com    \ \_(__<>___<>__)\O\_/O___>-<  what I say.  It's justtB >Houston, Texas          \O__<>___<>___<>)\___/        my opinion.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:42:07 GMTt From: dittman@dittman.nets' Subject: Re: Sharing a ssytem dump fileIA Message-ID: <j15x7.31229$6i7.2662461@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>   3 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote: r : In article <af1x7.884112$ai2.68105322@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, Steven Whatley <swhatley@blkbox.com> writes:  M : :I'm the administrator of two VAX 7610s in a cluster running VMS 5.5-2.  WeSJ : :are running out of space on the system disk.  $1$DUS0: is a 2GB disk.    E :   Phase I shadowing?  I have heard of very few sites that have not @< :   migrated to Phase II shadowing.  I would encourage this. :...D :   There is a selective dump mechanism available, which will reduceE :   the amount of data that needs to be written.  Dump off the system E :   disk (DOSD) capabilities are also an option on various platforms.o+ :   (Both are available on later releases.)   E Don't forget that DOSD disks can not be shadowed, so if you go with acG DOSD disk you should make sure you have controller-based shadowing.  If?/ you lose the DOSD disk your cluster WILL crash.  --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.netu= Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/w   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:32:34 +0100s1 From: "Chris Townley" <news@townleyc.demon.co.uk>-+ Subject: Re: Show Intrusion privilege query0B Message-ID: <1002760495.26229.3.nnrp-01.d4e45fa5@news.demon.co.uk>  6 "Rob Buxton" <rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz> wrote in message+ news:3bc0dd06.615436861@news.wcc.govt.nz...b	 > hi All,o > E > I'm trying to give our help desk the ability to do a show intrusionh
 > command. >l' > The docs say they need SECURITY priv.f? > Okay, no problem I can turn that off & on in the Menu Option.1 >.F > Alas, this doesn't work, turning on alarm auditing indicates that it > also needs SETPRV. See below.a >     + When this came up, we came up with 2 ideas:h0 1) reinstalling CIA.EXE with SECURITY privilege.L 2) creating an executable that can be installed with the required privilege.  @ In the end we did nothing, although ISTR we tested out option 1.     --
 Chris Townley  chris@townleyc.demon.co.uk townleyc@spicers.ltd.ukv   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:41:56 GMTe2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)3 Subject: Re: Telnet DCL Routines for HTML Mail Msgs 1 Message-ID: <UD0x7.241$RL6.1816@news.cpqcorp.net>   J In article <3BC48DB9.497628@sosu.edu>, Dan Moore <dmoore@sosu.edu> writes:I :Thanks for the suggestions gang. I was very incorrect to say VMS cannot aG :send mail attachments. I do wish that more web mail functionality was  8 :built in to the base OS to avoid having to come up with :such a silly work around...  J   The TCP/IP Services SFF mechanism and the MIME tool can be used.  (Yes, K   I'd also like to overhaul the existing MAIL client and better integrationyH   of MIME into the base system too, but I digress.)  Take a look at the J   TCP/IP Services V5.1 documentation -- the Send From File (SFF) stuff is L   now documented in TCP/IP V5.1 -- the OpenVMS Ask The Wizard topics (4492)    has SFF-related information.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:33:26 -0500 ! From: Dan Moore <dmoore@sosu.edu>n Subject: Re: TELNETSYM Error( Message-ID: <3BC49476.4B6DCBBD@sosu.edu>   Since the CODE RED worm  started up (thanks ms), many of our HP printers freak out at random intervals. Basically they spit out a memory dump and become dysfunctional until you turn them off and backpH on. It's happening less often as the MS boxes are being patched I guess.     Jim Becker wrote:e  F > On an Alpha running VMS 6.2-1H3 and UCX 4.1 ECO 8 (sigh), I have oneF > particular telnetsym queue that for the last few weeks has routinely > logged entries like this:.F > Tue Oct  9 13:52:13 2001, open_socket_ast invoked with bad IOSB 660:$ > connect to network object rejected >.  > The printer is an HP LaserJet. >.E > Like the sign on my wife's desk says, "What did you right before itaF > stopped working all by itself?" This problem kicked in several weeks; > ago, but I can't find any changes in queue setup, printercG > configuration, UCX configuration, or elsewhere that would explain theB > change in behavior.7   > Any inspirations?.   --	 Dan Moore $ Director of Administrative Computing& Southeastern Oklahoma State University" 1405 North Fourth Avenue  PMB 4230 Durant, Oklahoma   74701-0609 + Phone: (580) 745-2006   Fax: (580) 745-2007    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Oct 2001 13:40:45 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)i Subject: Re: TELNETSYM Error3 Message-ID: <hkrqGlOa0nhB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   L In article <3BC49476.4B6DCBBD@sosu.edu>, Dan Moore <dmoore@sosu.edu> writes: > Since the CODE RED worm  started up (thanks ms), many of our HP printers freak out at random intervals. Basically they spit out a memory dump and become dysfunctional until you turn them off and back J > on. It's happening less often as the MS boxes are being patched I guess.  ; Switching to Appletalk and disabling the IP protocol on thee; printer should help (if your printer is Appletalk-capable).    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:16:30 GMTa- From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@home.com>a Subject: Re: TELNETSYM Error( Message-ID: <3BC500FB.BEE8B6AA@home.com>   Dan Moore wrote: >  > Since the CODE RED worm  started up (thanks ms), many of our HP printers freak out at random intervals. Basically they spit out a memory dump and become dysfunctional until you turn them off and backCJ > on. It's happening less often as the MS boxes are being patched I guess.  C 	If these are HP JetDirect via the newer EIO interfaces that have a3F web server on them, they have a problem with buffer overflows and wereN adversely affected by the Code Red worms (both I and II).  The latest firmware from HPp  fixed all of the systems for us.   Rick   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:32:46 -0400n' From: Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org>: Subject: Re: TELNETSYM Error, Message-ID: <3BC512DE.994A920D@ui.urban.org>   Dan Moore wrote: >  > Since the CODE RED worm  started up (thanks ms), many of our HP printers freak out at random intervals. Basically they spit out a memory dump and become dysfunctional until you turn them off and backYJ > on. It's happening less often as the MS boxes are being patched I guess.  A Fortunately, that's not my problem. This reminds me I once did an D AltaVista search for some string that showed up on the web interfaceE for HP printers. My intent had been to find info about some aspect of D printer configuration. I clicked on one of the results, and suddenly> found myself viewing the configuration page on some poor sap's@ printer. There was no password, so I had full access. I found itA belonged to some company in the UK. IIRC, I found a likely e-maileF address and sent them a message letting them know about the situation, but I never got a reply.   Anyway, back on topic...  D Setting the printer's idle timer higher may have done the trick. TheD printer is again willing to talk to the Alpha. However, I'll need toF do some more testing to convince myself that's really what the problemF was. After all, the printer had previously been willing to talk to theD Alpha under the old setting (2 minutes), and I don't see why an idleE timeout should have caused the printer to reject connections from the.; Alpha while it accepted them from other (non-VMS) machines.K  C Thanks for the advice, folks! If I find a black-and-white solution,t
 I'll post it.    --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/) ' Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/)7. ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:59:45 +0100i1 From: "Chris Townley" <news@townleyc.demon.co.uk>h' Subject: Re: Unaltered DCL command line!B Message-ID: <1002760481.26229.1.nnrp-01.d4e45fa5@news.demon.co.uk>  : "James Wilkinson" <elementyl@hotmail.com> wrote in message= news:cfHw7.24953$0t3.3540151397@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...g6 > "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote: > >   Directly reading the recall buffer is not supported. <snip>I > Without going into all the details, I have a large set of programs that: usenJ > the command to determine which course of action to take.  So let's say I > have the program MAIN. >g > doof := $mainH > foo := $main > bar := $main >v3 > In the code the program does a GETARG(0, command)  >   = Would it not be simpler to have the symbols set, for example:3   $ doof := "$main doof" $ foo := "$main foo" $ bar := "$main bar"   and interrogate the parameter?   -- Chrisw   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:48:31 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>u' Subject: Re: Unaltered DCL command lines' Message-ID: <3BC5168F.71413802@fsi.net>S   James Wilkinson wrote: > 6 > "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote: > >   Directly reading the recall buffer is not supported. > M > I know but it is the only mechanism I know of to get the entire unprocesseds > command line.t > N > >   Directly reading the recall buffer would probably require you to performF > >   some level of DCL symbol substitution before you can process the
 > command. > M > I have no interest in doing any symbol substitution, in fact, that is why I$J > want the original command line, as I would like to know which symbol was > used.o > N > >   The DCL symbol substitution is something you really don't want to tangleN > >   with implementing if you can at all avoid it -- there are three distinctN > >   symbol substitution operations that you would have to contend with here:L > >   the DCL verb substitution, the DCL ampersand substitution, and the DCL > >   apostrophe substitution. >  > I completely agree!n > N > >   The DCL parsing routines are available, as are various other approaches. > >l8 > >   The C getarg call is available in the C libraries. > K > I am using a Fortran environment but that does beg the question, does thehG > main program need to be in C.  Anyhow I don't recall if this would dotM > anyhow, and if it did, I would of course be curious how it accomplished thes > task.a > M > >   It is far easier for us if you state what you want to do -- in addition_N > >   to citing an existing routine from another platform -- as we can key offJ > >   the problem statement rather than attempting to figure out what thisN > >   specified routine from some other platform(s) does and how it works, andM > >   then figuring out how to map this into what you want to do.  (You might2N > >   be familiar with a particular call from a particular other platform, but > >   I might not be.) > M > Without going into all the details, I have a large set of programs that use1J > the command to determine which course of action to take.  So let's say I > have the program MAIN. >  > doof := $main  > foo := $main > bar := $main > 3 > In the code the program does a GETARG(0, command)U > K > (Docs at http://www.compaq.com/fortran/docs/vf-html/azsumm/rfgetarg.htm )  > L > then checks if whether then command entered was equal to doof, foo, bar orM > other and acts accordingly.  Yes there are probably better ways to go abouth: > it, however this is more of a "can it be done" question. > K > > :So is there a way to obtain the *unaltered* full DCL command line thato( > > :works whether interactive or batch? > >cK > >   For some definitions of "unaltered", lib$get_foreign is the callback.e > K > Not this one.  Unaltered means unaltered.  :-)  LIB$GET_FOREIGN lacks therL > command and CLI$GET_VALUE is post symbol substitution.  Reading the recallN > buffer works quite well with the exception of when the command is run within > a command file.h  E If memory serves, there is a CLI$ call to get the verb used to invoke F the image. That assumes, however, that you used a .CLD to create a newD verb. Then again, there may be a CLI$ call to get the actual command! line - I don't recall just now...m   For example:  D PRINT and SUBMIT both invoke the same program. PURGE and DELETE both invoke the same program.   -- o David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemsp http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/v   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:22:36 +0100a1 From: "Chris Townley" <news@townleyc.demon.co.uk>s. Subject: Re: Vax Basic converting WORD to LONGB Message-ID: <1002760494.26229.2.nnrp-01.d4e45fa5@news.demon.co.uk>  0 "Tim" <tim@hookplastics.com.au> wrote in message7 news:63fe8511.0110071528.2f38b022@posting.google.com... E > We have a problem with our Vax Basic Application that is, dates aresF > stored as &#8216;WORD&#8217; datatype which means the largest number > it can hold is 32,767. >r <snip>  J We addressed as part of Y2K work, but took another option, to re-base fromK 1970 to 1995 as we had no (valid) historical data older than about 3 years,tK and had a large number of date fields across the application, some of whicht# re-encoded back to a 2 char string..  L To this end we had a one-off conversion, and replaced all calls to DATE$ etcK with our own functions. Has worked very well since implementation in autumnq 1999.    --
 Chris Townley- chris@townleyc.demon.co.uk townleyc@spicers.ltd.uk-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:15:41 -0400d  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com Subject: Re: VMS 7.2-24 Message-ID: <C2256AE1.00641C96.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  M Is that so.  Do you use volume shadowing?  Are you aware (from the V7.3 cover$ letter)7L that that configuration (V7.3 and anything before V7.1) is not supported for migration or
 otherwise?        : David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com on 10/10/2001 12:05:08 PM  2 Please respond to David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.coma cc:9 Subject:  Re: VMS 7.2-2s          D     V6.2 and V7.3 systems can co-exist in the same cluster -- I have the following versions in mine:,   VAX V6.2, V7.1& Alpha V6.2, V7.1, V7.2-1, V7.2-2, V7.3  5 I've also had VAX V7.2, Alpha V7.1-1H2, Alpha V7.1-2,o7 Alpha V7.2, and Alpha V7.2-1H1 booted into this cluster- as well.   David R. Beatty   5 On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:59:19 -0400, "O'Connor, Marty". <MOConnor@DVFS.COM> wrote:  I >Another issue is that VMS 7.3 cannot exist in a cluster with any version.K >less than 7.1.  While 7.2-2 can exist with versions down to 6.2 (or 6.1?).>K >In our case we started to move our Alpha's to 7.3 but the VAX systems wererL >still at 6.2 and since we are moving off the VAXs soon we are waiting until >after they go away to upgrade.u >9L >My understanding is that 7.2-2 gets many of the features of 7.3 without the& >features that cause the restrictions. >  >Marty O'Connors > L >>Does anyone knows why Compaq just release 7.2-2 when 7.3 is already out in
 >>the market?y >.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:13:33 -0400S From: Kat <kathee@mindiq.com>w Subject: Re: VMS 7.2-2@ Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010221236.00b0b6a8@mail.mindiq.com>  I Actually, more correctly -- a primary fix is to allow MDR usage with 7.2  G for those customers with ESL9xxx tape silos and wishing to put them on s fibre channel....o      - At 09:38 AM 10/10/2001, Richard Brodie wrote:   4 >"Kenneth" <chehon@netvigator.com> wrote in message + >news:9q1h52$nrh7@imsp212.netvigator.com... N > > Does anyone knows why Compaq just release 7.2-2 when 7.3 is already out inI > > the market? I check the new features in 7.2-2, which most of them are 2 > > included in 7.3. Is 7.3 is non-stable version? >eG >It has been discussed before here but to summarise: 7.2-2 is a roll upsF >of fixes. Those unwilling to upgrade to 7.3 (for whatever reason) canE >pull in a bundle of fixes, and hopefully retain third party support.. > D >There isn't any odd/even significance to the version numbers in the? >Linux kernel sense. It's just down to individual judgement andfB >requirements: at the moment, I guess many are on 7.2-1 productionC >and 7.3 testing. It just rolls along, depending how far behind thet' >bleeding edge people feel comfortable..   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 03:45:46 +0100t1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>iL Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] V7.2 VAX satellite doesn't find V7.3 Alpha bootserver6 Message-ID: <3BC515EA.63980A83@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>  H What was the backup command you used Peter?  If the configuration of theH disk serving hasn't changed then could it be that the disk structure got1 zapped (in relative terms) when doing the backup?    Steve.   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:  K > >Did the VAX boot into the cluster when it had the local disk attached to  > >it? > J > Yup. That's how I run it now. But the same disk, BACKUP/IMAGE to the HSJM > disk and used for booting the VAX via the Alpha Bootserver does NOT work !!r > O > So, I still see, MOP is not the problem, MSCP serving for booting (from AlphaDI > to VAX) is. After the boot from the local disk (ie. STARTUP.COM began),wM > accessing the MSCP served (HSJ based) user disks is fortunately no problem.:   -- 0G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent likeoE a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath.4A Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'"r% 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"@   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.565 ************************