1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 16 Oct 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 576       Contents:$ Re: %SYSTEM-F-STKOVF, stack overflow$ Re: %SYSTEM-F-STKOVF, stack overflow' Re: (newbie) what can i learn from vms? ' Re: (newbie) what can i learn from vms? ' Re: (newbie) what can i learn from vms? " -- Question from a newbie sysadmin& Re: -- Question from a newbie sysadmin Re: A free VMS implementation? Re: A free VMS implementation? Re: A free VMS implementation? Re: A free VMS implementation? Re: A free VMS implementation? Re: A free VMS implementation? Re: A free VMS implementation? Re: A free VMS implementation? Re: A free VMS implementation? Re: A free VMS implementation? Re: A free VMS implementation? Re: A free VMS implementation? Re: A free VMS implementation? A Special Invitation Re: Alphaserver 1000a 
 AMD's Itanion  Re: AMD's Itanion  Re: AMD's Itanion  Appletalk port seed state  Re: Appletalk port seed state & Re: Appletalk port seed state - SOLVED Re: CC 3.1 vs. CXX 5.6 on VAX B Re: CETS presentations now available (only if you ignore security) Combo slot in AS255  Re: Combo slot in AS255 4 Re: Converting an ODS-2 to an ODS-5 file system disk4 Re: Converting an ODS-2 to an ODS-5 file system disk DECNET ping equivalent?  Re: DECNET ping equivalent?  Re: DECNET ping equivalent? C Re: Developers and End-Users? (was: Re: A free VMS implementation?) 3 Does Patrick LE QUERE still out there (MAILBOX .07)  Re: Free IMAP4 server for UCX ? 
 Global symbol  Re: Global symbol & Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors& Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors& Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors& Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors& Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors( HWP/CPQ: (...internal morale is poor...)0 Re: Ingres (Was: Re: jobs? ingres vax/vms cobol) Re: Installed VMS Images Re: Itanium and OpenVMS  Re: Itanium and OpenVMS  Re: Itanium and OpenVMS - Matrix Asset Advisors Oppose HP/Compaq Merger 1 Re: Matrix Asset Advisors Oppose HP/Compaq Merger 
 MOZILLA 0.9.5  Re: MOZILLA 0.9.5 * Re: PC LA70 driver (was: Re: LA-70 Driver)- Re: Preferred port for cluster communications - Re: Preferred port for cluster communications  Re: Really Unhackable...???? Replace X-Terminal VXT-2000 ? ! Re: Replace X-Terminal VXT-2000 ? ! Re: Replace X-Terminal VXT-2000 ?  Re: RRD40/RRD50 specs? Re: RRD40/RRD50 specs? Re: RRD40/RRD50 specs?, Re: Scott McNealy has no respect for Alpha's, Re: Scott McNealy has no respect for Alpha's* Re: Secure Chat Server for VMS has arrived* Re: Secure Chat Server for VMS has arrived. Slightly OT - how failed computers kill ships. Re: Socket problem-URGENT  Stop a process Re: Stop a process Re: SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM  TL892s and AUTO_CLEAN  RE: TL892s and AUTO_CLEAN  user authentification  Re: user authentification  Re: user authentification  Re: user authentification  Re: user authentification  Re: user authentification  Re: user authentification  Re: user authentification  Re: user authentification  Re: VMS & Unix connectivity  Re: VMS & Unix connectivity  Re: VMS & Unix connectivity  Re: VMS & Unix connectivity  Re: VMS 5.4 supported?! Re: X programming tools (UIL etc) ! Re: X programming tools (UIL etc) ! Re: X programming tools (UIL etc) ! Re: X programming tools (UIL etc) ! Re: X programming tools (UIL etc) ! Re: X programming tools (UIL etc) ! Re: X programming tools (UIL etc)   Re: [LYRIS] OpenVMS Patches List  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:10:02 GMT * From: mark@*NO*SPAM*.co.uk (Mark Williams)- Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-STKOVF, stack overflow / Message-ID: <3bcc1510.12122611@news.force9.net>   / On Mon, 08 Oct 2001 15:00:31 +0200, Jouk Jansen " <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote:   >Larry Kilgallen wrote:  >>  f >> In article <3BC174B7.4BA63101@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>, Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> writes: >>  H >> > When changing a working program into a multi-threaded one I get the >> > following run-time error:' >> >   %SYSTEM-F-STKOVF, stack overflow G >> > I do not hoe to solve this problem, I do not even have any hint on M >> > what stack is involved. Does the KSTACKPAGES system parameters something  >> > to do with this problem?  >>  E >> More likely it is the stack size you specify when creating threads J >> within your program.  When you do not use threads, the single user-mode" >> stack can expand automatically. >Thanks. That helped.  > 0 >What is the best method to tune this stacksize?  C For POSIX threads use pthread_attr_setstacksize before creating the C thread.  In some versions of VMS the default stack size for threads . is _very_ small and normally needs increasing.  
 Best Regards, # Mark (mark at techop dot co dot uk)     
 Mark Williams    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:33:38 -0000 / From: Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> - Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-STKOVF, stack overflow / Message-ID: <tsoha22tsoi313@corp.supernews.com>   . Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote:E : When changing a working program into a multi-threaded one I get the  : following run-time error: $ :   %SYSTEM-F-STKOVF, stack overflowD : I do not hoe to solve this problem, I do not even have any hint onJ : what stack is involved. Does the KSTACKPAGES system parameters something : to do with this problem?  9 It sounds like one or more threads have run out of stack.   @ Remember that in a thread, dynamically allocated local variables@ are on the stack.  I'm not sure what thread package you're usingB but those that I've used allow the programmer to specify how much 7 stack space should be set aside when creating a thread.    --   -- Mike Zarlenga   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:52:23 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> 0 Subject: Re: (newbie) what can i learn from vms?) Message-ID: <3BCC1167.7CB0F8CD@gtech.com>    fullforce wrote:D > I'm interested in learning the commands and what not for vms. JustE > need some pointers on where i should start. I have a shell account, = > but am a little lost with some of the commands. any help is  > appreciated.   Start with:    $ HELP   Arne   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 04:44:23 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>0 Subject: Re: (newbie) what can i learn from vms?@ Message-ID: <20011016114423.87835.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com>   Or buy the book below    "Writing Real Programms in DCL"   ) Lets help Hoff have a good retirement :-)    F=E1bio Cardoso     1 --- Arne Vajh=F8j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:  > fullforce wrote:4 > > I'm interested in learning the commands and what > not for vms. Just 6 > > need some pointers on where i should start. I have > a shell account,3 > > but am a little lost with some of the commands. 
 > any help is  > > appreciated. >=20
 > Start with:  >=20 > $ HELP >=20 > Arne     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D  F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:10:26 -0400 ) From: Andrew Robert <arobert@townisp.com> 0 Subject: Re: (newbie) what can i learn from vms?* Message-ID: <3BCC31C2.5040002@townisp.com>  1 You may also want to look at the on-line doc set.   C This can be found at http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/#ovmsdocset        Arne Vajhj wrote:   > fullforce wrote: > D >>I'm interested in learning the commands and what not for vms. JustE >>need some pointers on where i should start. I have a shell account, = >>but am a little lost with some of the commands. any help is  >>appreciated. >> > 
 > Start with:  >  > $ HELP >  > Arne >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:51:25 GMT % From: medleyb@flash.net (Bert Medley) + Subject: -- Question from a newbie sysadmin ; Message-ID: <Xns913C64773127medleybflashnet@207.115.63.150>   K I inherited a DecServer 3000 and some 9GB disks.  OpenVMS "sees" the disks  J and I can do a SHOW DEVICE /FULL but when I try to INIT it I get "invalid  media format"  HELP!!!!!   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 07:55:31 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>/ Subject: Re: -- Question from a newbie sysadmin @ Message-ID: <20011016145531.43158.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>  - What machine are you connecting these disks ?     4 Alpha ? Vax ? You should check if the controller and2 firmware support these disks (model), and maybe=20 these disks can be bad.    Regards    FC=20 * --- Bert Medley <medleyb@flash.net> wrote:5 > I inherited a DecServer 3000 and some 9GB disks.=20  > OpenVMS "sees" the disks=20 4 > and I can do a SHOW DEVICE /FULL but when I try to > INIT it I get "invalid=20  > media format"  HELP!!!!! >=20     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D  F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2001 07:23:09 GMTB From: bertrand@perceval.cnam.fr (BERTRAND =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=EBl?=)' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation? 6 Message-ID: <slrn9sno2s.s4b.bertrand@perceval.cnam.fr>  ( Le Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:52:54 -0700 (PDT)3 Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> crivait : , >There is no need to develop a FreeVMS with ! >the arriving of Itanium Systems.   ? 	I don't agree, because OpenVMS will *only* be rebuilt on IA64. D A goal of FreeVMS project is a VMS port on several other processors.  	 	Regards,    	JKB   --  E La Ford T ? Une voiture caractrise par une dbauche d'crous, de la 8 laideur comme habit, et de l'-peu-prs comme mcanique. -- Andr Citron   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 08:20:49 +0000 (UTC) 9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> ' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation? - Message-ID: <9qgql1$jkp$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>   0 David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: : GreyCloud wrote: :>  E : VMS, UN*X and WhineBloze - stilling down the variants and dialects, D : those are the three major ones, as I see it. OS/390 and OS/400 are6 : "niche" items, IMO, similar to the view held of VMS.  J : In the "attack of the killer viruses", MS's attempts to foist "XP" on an : unsuspecting world (see U : http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/01/10/08/011008oplivingston.xml?1012frpm), A : and Gartner's condemnation of IIS, WhineBloze has, IMO, met its   ( Do you expect Windows to fall that easy?. People never learn, never listen... (b/w said)  F : "Waterloo" (reference to Napoleon, not the train station in London). : MCSEs are a dime a dozen.   < : So, that cuts it down to two major players - VMS and UN*X.  1 And NSK, MPE/IX and a bunch of IBMs good systems. 9 Some might be of smaller, some of higher volume than VMS.   ) Anyone who has got actual actual numbers?   
 -Roar Throns    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 08:39:26 +0000 (UTC) 9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> ' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation? - Message-ID: <9qgrnu$mej$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>   / Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:   4 : With Alpha - I never understood why to control the8 : licenses if you couldnt run this OS without an Alpha -  2 Some might want to run Tru64 on it. (How many do?)  7 : a rare machine. And why the OS was / is so expensive. . : OVMS and RDB should be bundled with Alpha...   Optimistic? . I suppose Oracle Rdb costs even more than VMS?  1 : FreeVMS is good to learn the internals of OVMS, / : just this. Nobody thinks it will become a new  : Linux.6 : Should be better to integrate some FreeVMS functions : inside an Linux....    If you can. H Security and security programming habits in mainstream Linux/Unix may be hard to change. E Mainstream Linux/Unix has not even got a decent networked file system  (or so I think).E Possibly some changes would have to be done to mainstream Linux/Unix.   
 -Roar Throns    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:52:39 +0000   From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation? / Message-ID: <00256AE7.004C3CC9.00@quegw01.btyp>   L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    N And of course the Unix for VMS Users book DOES compare both cp [and cpall] and rcp to COPY along with ftp.   O Let's not forget that the book isn't intended as a definitive Unix manual, it's M there to give VMS users a handle on how to perform the same work they do on a J VMS box on a Unix box for which they have little or no skill. Once you get* started, you can build on that from there.   Cheers   Steve Spires        ; David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> on 10/15/2001 06:03:22 PM     To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages) H From:      David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>, 15 October 2001, 6:03 p.m.   Re: A free VMS implementation?         Bill Gunshannon wrote:  ) > . Comparing ftp to COPY?  Unix can copy G > from machine to machine just like VMS does, You don't need to use ftp A > if the tha mchines share a security model (just like with VMS.)   E I agree with some of what you say, but ftp for COPY isn't much (if at 	 all) off.   I VMS/RMS/DECNET allow the same file syntax to be used transparently across 
 nodes.  So doing:  . $ program "access string"node::device:filename  N works pretty much without regard to what "program" is.   If proxies are set up
 you can leave N off the access string too.  Which makes COPY the usual choice for moving files from one VMS node to another. L However, on Unix "cp" cannot  normally move files from one node to another . cp can move across nodesL if NFS is used, just as COPY can move files across nodes without an explicitM node:: if those nodes are in a cluster and the disks are cross mounted. While L I think that rcp is probably the closest program in this regard to COPY, ftp, will often be the tool of choice - depending* on exactly what it is that you want to do.     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:06:59 +0000   From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation? / Message-ID: <00256AE7.004D8DAC.00@quegw01.btyp>   L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    L I think you have taken some of that same attitude in your assessment of thisL book [UNIX for VMS Users] based on what you say - have you purposefully been  selective in what you have said?  I FTP is not the only COPY comparison made, cp, cpall and rpc are the other N commands offered up. awk is included in the chapter headed editors, but if youM read what the chapter says, and in particular the section devoted to awk, you P will find the author makes the point which you raise here in some detail, and inO fact points out that awk has no equivalent in VMS, without resorting to writing N your own HHL program or using DCL procedures. nroff and troff are NOT includedL as 'file management' tools, but are included as text processing tools. tr isP included in the 'Advanced File Management' chapter. What or where would you have placed these commands in?   P I have found the book invaluable in my initial use of Unix, and even refer to itN from time to time now. And it has also been a great help to the Unix bods here in reverse.    Just my 2p worth.    Steve Spires        E bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) on 10/15/2001 05:26:21 PM     To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages) M From:      bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon), 15 October 2001, 5:26             p.m.T   Re: A free VMS implementation?        ' In article <3BC66704.DA793AD7@fsi.net>,c4  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: |>I |> To re-iterate (yet again, see the sig.), open sourcing OVMS would be a K |> futile gesture, at best. It's FAR too complex for the average UN*X-er to  |> understand. Nuff said.i |>   Dave,eF   I usually find myself in complete agreement with you but this has toG be the biggest pile of tripe I have ever seen.  I realize this is a VMSeH group and that some level of prejudice should be expected, but you can'tE possibly be serious about the above.  I am a UN*X-er and have been in D this business since before VMS was even a gleam in Cutler's eye.  ToI think that people working with VMS are the only competent computer peoplee" is just to unbelievable for words.  C And on a further note, I had some time this weekend so I decided toeE actually sit down and read Bourne's "UNIX for VMS users".  Now I knoweE whare VMS people get all their really bogus ideas regarding Unix.  ItyF turns out it is not from "The Unix haters handbook".  One could under-D stand that, but this is supposed to be a serious book.  It is loadedD errors and seems to have been written witht he same bias one usuallyE finds here.  Not what one would expect from a serious book written byaC someone with his credentials.  I mean comparing awk to an editor is E like comparing EDLIN to Pascal. Comparing ftp to COPY?  Unix can copy E from machine to machine just like VMS does, You don't need to use ftpoE if the tha mchines share a security model (just like with VMS.)  Even B his classifications.  awk, nroff, troff and tr as "file managementC commands.  No wonder VMS people have such a warped understanding of  VMS.  F I have threatened to write a book in the past, this makes me even moreC sure of the need for this.  Especially as more and more current VMS E people are going to find that job market survival is going to requirerF that they at least understand and can deal with the basic fundamentals of Unix.   bill   --J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2001 08:42:37 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation?A3 Message-ID: <FEgjZ3RnYuAo@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  { In article <slrn9sno2s.s4b.bertrand@perceval.cnam.fr>, bertrand@perceval.cnam.fr (BERTRAND =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=EBl?=) writes:o  A > 	I don't agree, because OpenVMS will *only* be rebuilt on IA64.AF > A goal of FreeVMS project is a VMS port on several other processors.  E    Hints to the contrary have been publicly seen, but no details haves    been forthcoming.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:26:50 +0000 (UTC) , From: tontonTh <tontonTh@po.reynerie.yi.org>' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation? 8 Message-ID: <slrn9sogtb.cqt.tontonTh@po.reynerie.yi.org>  K In article <slrn9sno2s.s4b.bertrand@perceval.cnam.fr>, BERTRAND Jol wrote:n* > Le Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:52:54 -0700 (PDT)5 > Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> crivait :r- >>There is no need to develop a FreeVMS with o" >>the arriving of Itanium Systems. > A > 	I don't agree, because OpenVMS will *only* be rebuilt on IA64.-F > A goal of FreeVMS project is a VMS port on several other processors. > 8 	Yes. Have found an available HP-PA for trials-and-oops.   	Th.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:28:29 -0400w- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>+' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation?f2 Message-ID: <yuXy7.41805$Z2.623483@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messagea& news:3BCB7960.5070906@tsoft-inc.com... >...B > As for the issue of insuring your resume is in order, I find theD > practice disgusting.  If you're good enough, you will do well.  IfG > you're not, then it's all bullshit anyway.  I've seen too many peoplenJ > who were more interested in their resume than in their employer's needs.J >   I've also seen instances when this has hurt the employer.  I would notJ > call such an employee honest.  You may guess that my perspective is that8 > of a consultant and employer, not that of an employee. >...  F A person within Compaq told me once that the reason Compaq Analyze was, written in Java was to pad someone's resume.   --L "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with yourL eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long! to return."  -  Leonardo da VincikL "When once you have tasted VMS, you will forever walk the earth knowing thatF a stable OS exists, for you have used it, and to its security you will& always long to return." - Not Leonardo   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:06:33 -0500c1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>t' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation?o' Message-ID: <3BCC4CF8.7F13C824@fsi.net>w   Roar Throns wrote:  > 2 > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > : GreyCloud wrote: > :>G > : VMS, UN*X and WhineBloze - stilling down the variants and dialects,eF > : those are the three major ones, as I see it. OS/390 and OS/400 are8 > : "niche" items, IMO, similar to the view held of VMS. > L > : In the "attack of the killer viruses", MS's attempts to foist "XP" on an > : unsuspecting world (seeuW > : http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/01/10/08/011008oplivingston.xml?1012frpm),uC > : and Gartner's condemnation of IIS, WhineBloze has, IMO, met its  > * > Do you expect Windows to fall that easy?0 > People never learn, never listen... (b/w said)  E EASY??!!! EASY???!!! I think you grossly under-estimate the impact oflF Code Red and Nimda! ...not to mention Gartner's impact (witness: VMS).  C Now, they (M$) want you re-register XP everytime you boot up (i.e., 2 everytime you try to do something useful with it).  @ Hardly easy! ...and that's only the three most prominent, recentH strikes! They've been "out" for many innings already. However, BG clings? to his "child", WhineBloze just as we cling to our beloved VMS.    -- P David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:09:26 -0500g1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>m' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation?e' Message-ID: <3BCC4DA6.3D4A93CF@fsi.net>    Peter Weaver wrote:  > [snip]* > ...Compaq Analyze was written in Java...   That explains a lot.   -- m David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/p   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2001 15:37:18 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)3' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation?3' Message-ID: <9qhk7e$kkm$2@joe.rice.edu>o  ) David Froble (davef@tsoft-inc.com) wrote:aG : The following is a much too simplified perspective on a subject that D : cannot be simplified.3 :DC : As for the issue of insuring your resume is in order, I find the YB : practice disgusting.  If you're good enough, you will do well.    M Until Q4/2000, I'd agree with you, but now with layoffs going like free guns 0J at a prison break, expansion of the H-1B program, the recession, thousandsG of qualified workers are finding themselves jobless, some for the first  time in their lives.   Sources:  '    http://www.msnbc.com/news/555872.asph    The Layoff List       http://www.fuckedcompany.com/<    FuckedCompany.com - Official lubricant of the new economy  K : If you're not, then it's all bullshit anyway.  I've seen too many people rK : who were more interested in their resume than in their employer's needs. oK :   I've also seen instances when this has hurt the employer.  I would not  ! : call such an employee honest.  - :-I Everyone on comp.os.vms should go to the job sites and see how many jobs .4 are listed in their area that they're qualified for.  E Those in an area with lots of VMS jobs and who have VMS jobs are very F fortunate. But that isn't the case in some areas of the country, where@ jobs that pay over $ 50,000 are as rare as an honest politician.  J : You may guess that my perspective is that of a consultant and employer,  : not that of an employee.   Who would have guessed ? :-)  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:00:11 -040025 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>h' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation?d1 Message-ID: <EPYy7.513$RL6.4554@news.cpqcorp.net>e  @ David J. Dachtera wrote in message <3BCB54D3.99A4A20@fsi.net>... >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  >>H >> Nah.  We're not threatened.  We all know that to implement a completeL >> replacement that is bug-for-bug and feature-for-feature identical is next to' >> impossible, it's just too big a job.  >iC >That's only true if it matches your paradigm. I lack the technical3I >knowledge skill to duplicate the VMS kernel. However, those are the only G >"reasons" why "it's just too big a job". In my experience, persistencenE >wins the day - the road to failure is the path of least persistence.D >=    I You are talking about replicating a complex system that has taken several I decades to write.  *I* am personally all for someone who wants to try andaK reverse engineer a unencumbered VMS.  But I've seen many people ask for it,GD a few people try to "start" the job, but no group of people with theL sustained energy, time and talent to do it.  *I* can't help.  My job dependsG on people licensing the "real thing", and my employer would not like mya- making it possible for people to get it free.T  L In my opinion, the hobbyist kit provides a lot of what people really wanted.J CSA helps as well.  Yes, I know that there is a lack of a real low-end VMSF offering that can be used for commercial application.  All I can do isI continue to complain about it to the right people when at the appropriate' opportunities.    J >> Now you can subset things, and try to define something other than "VMS" thatL >> you want to create, and perhaps make it achievable.  Certainly the systemK >> services are well documented.  The library interfaces.  The file system.  >> Even DCL. >># >> But in the end, it won't be VMS.n >.E >If it were 100% source-code compatible - everything compiles / linksrA >with no changes and produces identical performance, security and B >reliability - I doubt that I would care whether the kernel and/or0 >underlying o.s. was Mach, Linux, *BSD, etc. ... >e    L You'd be suprised how many people do care.  Of course, many wouldn't - which@ is why I said that this is probably the most realistic approach.  I >> Lots of people have said that if you took the core of VMS (sort-of theeK >> single node, non-file system, non-cluster portions) and tried to rewritew itL >> without compatability, and to fix some of it's limitations, you would end up >> with the NT kernel. >t >Yecchh! >i    J Have you really looked at the *kernel*?  Not all the Windows cruft graftedL on top of it?  In many ways it is a thing of beauty.  It is when you add theC WIndows executive environment on top of it that the problems arise.n  J >> You could certainly take the NT kernel, sans the Windows stuff, and use itK >> as a kernel to build a replacement for the VMS user interfaces on top of8 it.? >hD >Dunno. I suspect it would still have a reliability gap, unless some1 >serious flaws in NT could be made more VMS-like.  >a    L What are the flaws in the NT *kernel* that you are referring to?  When I sayF the kernel, it is the collection of things that make up the scheduler,L interrupt handling, and core system services (timers, synchronization, etc).J Unfortunately these things are confused with the Windows executive that isF built on top of it.  The only thing *I* hate about it is the execption' handling mechanisms (yeah, "try" this).i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:07:05 -0400u5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>o' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation? 1 Message-ID: <5WYy7.514$RL6.4386@news.cpqcorp.net>t    Bob Koehler wrote in message ...7 >In article <slrn9sno2s.s4b.bertrand@perceval.cnam.fr>,wD bertrand@perceval.cnam.fr (BERTRAND =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=EBl?=) writes: > A >> I don't agree, because OpenVMS will *only* be rebuilt on IA64.-G >> A goal of FreeVMS project is a VMS port on several other processors.. >rF >   Hints to the contrary have been publicly seen, but no details have >   been forthcoming.u >0  $ I think any "hints" are of the form:  ,     VAX VMS - HW and OS built for each other-     Alpha VMS - VAXisms shifted into Firmware 8     Itanium VMS - VAXisms and Alphaisms shifted into VMS  I Once the VAXisms and Alphaisms have been shifted into layers of the OS toxF handle, then you are well on your way to "portable" VMS.  That is, theI effort needed to move to a new platform is quite a bit lower.  Of course, L the largest problem with "portable" VMS is instead of being entirely writtenK in say, "C" it is written in BLISS, Macro-32, and C (not to mention Ada and: PL/I).   ------------------------------   Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:42:38l* From: "lee" <bigearner300@gettingrich.com> Subject: A Special Invitation69 Message-ID: <iss.537c.3bcc1c09.cca3b.1@mx2.east.saic.com>n  / Check out the Number 1 Money Maker on the net! c   MAKE SOME BIG BUCKS     
 Dear Friend, k1 You can earn $50,000 or more in the next 90 days a sending e-mail. 1 Seem Impossible? Read on for details; is there a h4 catch; NO, there is no catch, just send your emails ) and be on your way to financial freedom. e This is not a chain letter. = Just please take 5 min. and read on and make some big bucks. t  + PRINT IT, READ IT AND MAKE SOME BIG BUCKS.  - IT HAS WORKED SO WELL, THIS IS MY THIRD TIME e AROUND.   0 I QUIT MY BORING JOB AND WORK AT THIS ABOUT ONE F TO TWO HOURS A DAY PROCESSING ORDERS, INCLUDING MY DRIVE TO THE BANK! ( SO GO FOR IT, YOU WILL BE GLAD YOU DID!   ) EARN $100,000 PER YEAR SENDING E-MAIL!!! p  ! "AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TELEVISION" d  2 Thank you for your time and Interest. This is the K letter you've been reading about in the news lately. Due to the popularity tF of this letter on the Internet, a major nightly news program recently K devoted an entire show to the investigation of the program described below a% to see, if it really can make people d money. iA The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. aJ Their findings proved once and for all that there are, absolutely no laws . prohibiting the participation in the program. K This has helped to show people that this is a simple, harmless and fun way sK to make some extra money at home. The results of this show have been truly tL remarkable. So many people are participating that those involved are doing, - much better than ever before. Since everyone eM makes more as more people try it out, its been very exciting to be a part of  4 lately. You will understand once you experience it.    "HERE IT IS BELOW" p  , *** Print This Now For Future Reference ***   3 The following income opportunity is one you may be kM interested in taking a look at.It can be started with VERY LITTLE investment l' and the income return is TREMENDOUS!!!  : Please read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN !!!   7 THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY.    2 It does not require you to come into contact with M people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house aM except to get the mail.If you believe that someday you'll get that big break t< that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the 3 instructions, and your dreams will come true. This r1 Multi-level e-mail order marketing program works t7 perfectly 100% EVERY TIME. E-mail is the sales tool of u6 the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized 4 method of advertising NOW! The longer you wait, the 5 more people will be doing business using e-mail. Get o4 your piece of this action !!! MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING 5 (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being  0 taught in the Harvard Business School, and both 3 Stanford Research and the Wall Street Journal have T1 stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and n5 services will be sold through multi-level methods by R7 the mid to late 1990's. This is a Multi-Billion Dollar N6 industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the U.S., 5 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several t2 years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show 45 people 1 become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level lL Marketing. You may have heard this story before, but over the summer Donald  Trump made an appearance s4 on the David Letterman show. Dave asked him what he J would do if he lost everything and had to start over from scratch.Without  hesitating,Trump  4 said he would find a good network marketing company  and get to work.  4 The audience started to hoot and boo him. He looked 1 out at the audience and dead-panned his response M0 "That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all 4 sitting out there!" With network marketing you have 5 two sources of income. Direct commissions from sales  5 you make yourself and commissions from sales made by d6 people you introduce to the business. Residual income 6 is the secret of the wealthy. It means investing time 3 or money once and getting paid again and again and m3 again. In network marketing, it also means getting L6 paid for the work of others. The enclosed information 3 is something I almost let slip through my fingers. e5 Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and e# gave some thought and study to it. l  7 ****************************************************** t   IT'S AWESOME! 4 A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM   3 By the time you have read the enclosed program and tH reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is 2 legal, could not have been created by an amateur. / Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a  I profitable business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling i off. -1 I was doing the same things that were previously  5 successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I n2 figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. 0 Inflation and recession had replaced the stable 7 economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have -6 to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate... 5 because many of you know from first hand experience. M4 There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever 7 before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew @3 what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. D1 Those who did not, including those who never had r6 anything to save or invest, were moving down into the 5 ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET r! RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." t3 The traditional methods of making money will never  K allow you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that. You have 1K just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest : of your / life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF q1 EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few s2 months than you have ever imagined. I should also 5 point out that I will not see a penny of this money, a3 nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for >1 this program. I have already made over 4 MILLION  	 DOLLARS!  7 I have retired from the program after sending out over i 16,000 programs. t6 Now I have several offices that make this and several 6 other programs here and over seas. Follow the program 7 EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It -1 works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to  6 e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you 5 can think of. One of the people you send this to may y7 send out 50,000...and your name will be on everyone of a6 them! Remember though, the more you send out the more 4 potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I 5 have given you the ideas, information, materials and s5 opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS    UP TO YOU NOW! "THINK ABOUT IT"   7 Before you delete this program from your mailbox, take e4 a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. K Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure  M out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will fK still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested.  J Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS!  Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA. -  E HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$!!    4 INSTRUCTIONS: This method of raising capital REALLY  WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. g6 I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in  the next 90 days. 4 Before you say "BULL... ", please read this program ? carefully. This is a perfectly legal money making opportunity. l7 Basically,this is what you do: As with all multi-level -4 businesses, we build our business by recruiting new 6 partners and selling our products. Every state in the 3 USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business F2 partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar H sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not  involved in personal h5 selling. You do it privately in your own home, store  7 or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order  + Marketing anywhere: This is how you start: o2 1. Order all reports shown on the list below (you * can't sell them if you don't order them). $ * For each report, send $5.00 CASH, 2 the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, 4 YOUR E-MAIL AND ADDRESS, YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS L (in case of a problem)and to the person whose name appears on the list next M to the report. Make sure you write or print legibly. They have to be able to A) read it to get your reports sent to you. r2 * if you do not live in the U.S. you will have to 2 buy the $5 bills first at your local bank office. 4 * MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE  IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS! 1 * When you place your order, make sure you order n6 each of the reports. You will need all of the reports L so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. You really need  these reports, otherwise l4 people won't be able to order anything from you and L these reports hold IMPORTANT INFORMATION which you really need to make this  into a success. 3 * Within a few days you will receive, (via e-mail) -K each of the reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible y for you 5 to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them s
 from you. 4 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people J who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any M way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose l out on the p6 majority of your profits. Once you understand the way B this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it. 2 Remember, this method has been tested, and if you  alter it, it will not work. 4 a. Look below for the listing of available reports. / b. After you've ordered the reports, take this  K Advertisement and remove the name and address under REPORT #5. This person iF has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $50,000! @ c. Move the name and address under REPORT #4 down to REPORT #5. @ d. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. @ e. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. 9 f. Move the name and address REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2 e- g. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1  G position. Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! .3 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified nD list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the H Instruction portion of this letter. Your cost to participate in this is M practically nothing (surely you, can afford $25). You obviously already have .M an Internet Connection and e-mail is FREE! To assist you with marketing your  K business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with oJ invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails, G where to find thousands of free classified ads and much, much more. In MK addition you will be provided with information on Internet Marketing we'll nE assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. c3 Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% fJ response. Using a good list the response could be much better. Also, many M people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But -L continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% K response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by a7 sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. e7 Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT fC #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. e5 The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT e3 #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a t5 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 b6 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for you. 3 CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + h6 $500 + $5,000 + $50,000 for a total of $55,550 !! And ! we didn't even put in Report #5.  3 REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE  4 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING 3 AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT  0 WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 4 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many 5 people will do just that, and more! By the way, your  4 cost to participate in this is practically nothing. 6 You obviously already have an internet connection and 4 e-mail is FREE !!! REPORT #2 will show you the best 5 methods for bulk e-mailing, tell you where to obtain l5 free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail   lists.  - METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET o6 1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, L and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to + start small just to see how well it works. o- Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to  L participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet  will EASILY get a 4 larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in 1 YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. m6 Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results  below. f% 2. 1st level-your 10 members with $5 i# ..............................$50.  ) 3. 2nd level-10 mems from those 10 ($5 x t! 100).......................$500. a* 4. 3rd level-10 mems from those 100 ($5 x ! 1,000)...................$5,000. t, 5. 4th level-10 mems from those 1,000 ($5 x  10k)................... 	 $50,000.   Total $55,550.    3 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who mG participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would tF happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of  participants! THINK ABOUT IT! 7 For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail e0 them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS 2 PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will 3 guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR  J name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until + they receive the report! AVAILABLE REPORTS h  - *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** t  6 Notes: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH L REPORT--- CHEQUES NOT ACCEPTED - YOU BETTER SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS  MAIL!! e4 * Make sure you pay for all the shipping/mail costs I or that you use enough stamps, especially when the person you order from  L lives in another country. This is really important because if you don't pay K enough your mail won't arrive and you won't receive your report. Take some  M time to do this right, you only have to do it once and it's the base of your o
 business. 4 If your not sure how many stamps you need, just ask M your post office or bring the mail to them and then they will make sure that t it will arrive. 1 * Make sure the cash (if you live outside the US i4 first buy 5 'five' $5 bills at your bank office) is 3 concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of   paper. i, * On one of those sheets of paper, include: D (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering,(print it out) 3 (b) your e-mail address,(if you forget to put your   e-mail you won't get a report) a1 (c) your name & postal address.(print everything B	 legibly) s  ( PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: 4 ORDER REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising  for Free on the Internet"  FROM: Lee Graves 49 Wheatleyt Bracknell, Berkshire RG12 8UG United Kingdom.a  6 REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail  on the Internet" h FROM: XYZ PLEASE   5512 Kentucky Avenue   Nashville, TN 37209  U.S.A.    6 REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the 
 Internet"  FROM: Gert Berkhout  Boeg 18  8081 MK Elburg t Province:Gelderland  Holland (Netherlands)t  5 REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the  0 Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet"  FROM: Christopher McNaughton q 149 9th St. #46  Niles, Ohio 44446  U.S.A. b  7 REPORT #5 "How to send out 1 Million E-Mails for Free" n FROM: Michael Bland  907 Tibbetts Wick Rd 2 Girard, Ohio 44420 o U.S.A. :    ! ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* -) *TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, m4 professional, and follow the directions accurately. 3 *Send for the five reports IMMEDIATELY so you will b3 have them when the orders start coming in because: y4 *When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the  requested product/report. 3 *ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU  	 RECEIVE. i1 *Be patient and persistent with this program. If tF you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL! 0 *ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU  WILL SUCCEED!   ( ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES *******   6 Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If E you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue DK advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later DM you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2. If you don't, continue EK advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or  H more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already 8 working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! 7 THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is  K moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You aM can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering wB from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch 7 of e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole n process again! o7 There is no limit to the income you will generate from h this business! a7 Before you make your decision as to whether or not you hH participate in this program. Please answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO K CHANGE YOUR LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts i about this program: 1 1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST i ANYTHING TO PRODUCE! a1 2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST   ANYTHING TO SHIP! L 3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE! 7 4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND THE  2 POWER OF MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING TO DISTRIBUTE YOUR  PRODUCT ALL OVER THE WORLD! 2 5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR INITIAL $25  INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME! IF 6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE  PROFIT! / 7. THIS PROGRAM WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER.    ( ******* T E S T I M O N I A L S *******   5 This program really works. I live outside the US, in dJ Europe and at first I had doubts, I wasn't sure if it would work and so I M didn't take it very seriously. But after a while I figured "Why not?". After eJ all, I can't loose much. I went to the bank and I bought five bills of $5 J each. I sended the requests for the reports (I did everything just like I J had to because I wanted to do everything right, so if it wouldn't work it G wouldn't be my fault, but the program's) and waited. After a while the TF reports arrived by e-mail and I read them several times, they gave me L precise information on how to let the program work and after I knew it all, D I started my work. I started searching e-mail addressses everywhere K (sites,magazines,..) and made long lists (I really enjoyed this because it oG was like a new hobby and I had nothing to loose). like crazy I started 0K sending e-mail to people all over the world. I kept doing this and checked vM the mail every day. After two weeks orders started to arrive. I remember the  $ moment when I went to the mailbox ! + and I found the first order for report #1. tH I just stood there for a moment and I said to myself: "this works, this I thing f..... works !!!!" I was so happy that I started sending even more  M e-mails. The next day, nothing in the mail, I thought "maybe this is it" and  M I was a bit dissapointed but the next day I received 3 orders for report #1. dJ i sended the reports to those people so they could start making money too M (for them and for me). Two weeks later I was sitting almost 30 minutes a day kM before my computer sending reports to people that had ordered them. In these oF two weeks I received 29 orders for report #1. Profit so far: about 90 L dollar. After that orders came faster and faster, every week I got hundreds J of orders and the dollars kept coming. in total I received 64'000 dollar.  can you believe this??? 5 Last week I bought a new motorcycle and I owe it all e4 to this program. if you're holding this paper right 6 now and you're not sure whether to participate or not 4 I can only say one thing: TRY IT, you won't regret. 6 This is your chance, take it now or you will be sorry  for the rest of your live.   H.J. Moines, France. O7 ****************************************************** h2 My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody, and I live in M Chicago, IL. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make tH pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Jody about L receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge L of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Jody I totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I oK made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on e" her when the thing didn't work... 4 well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had 3 received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had c5 received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I e/ was sure that I had it all figured and that it  7 wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Jody d2 in her "hobby". I did have seven more years until 7 retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not   for me. We owe it all to MLM.   Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL. 7 ****************************************************** f3 The main reason for this letter is to convince you  J that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to L get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times I before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in  H return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I G received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. v Charles Morris, Esq. >  7 ****************************************************** R6 Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks L to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, K I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no RJ way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, I was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with aK orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my o mail at the window. M I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice uC thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where people live. n5 There simply isn't a better investment with a faster c return.  Paige Willis, Des Moines, IA. 7 ******************************************************    6 I had received this program before. I deleted it, but I later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no rF idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was L e-mailed another program, ..11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete 8 this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!!  Violet Wilson, Johnstown, PA.   7 ****************************************************** I6 This is my third time to participate in this plan. We K have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the MJ interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for M you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up a7 this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! h Kerry Ford, Centerport, NY.       ******************************* L ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM!   ' NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOUR TURN DECISIVE t! ACTION YIELDS POWERFUL RESULTS!! e  . PLEASE NOTE: If you need help with starting a K business, registering a business name, learning how income tax is handled, n etc., contact your  5 local office of the Small Business Administration (a  H Federal agency) 1-(800)827-5722 for free help and answers to questions. K Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via telephone and free tH seminars about business tax requirements. Your earnings and results are L highly dependant on your activities and advertising. This letter constiutes J no guarantees stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that L this letter constitutes a guarantee of any kind,that guarantee is now void. E Any testimonials or amounts of earnings listed in this letter may be  7 factual or fictitious. If you have any question of the h. legality of this letter contact the Office of 3 Associate Director for Marketing Practices Federal N2 Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection in  Washington DC. yJ #########################################################################                     8 _______________________________________________________ " Send a cool gift with your E-Card  http://64.4.22.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=29e37ffcfeda7ad7356b91d1364b2be1&lat=1001330559&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ebluemountain%2ecom%2fgiftcenter%2f r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:10:12 -0400t5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>0 Subject: Re: Alphaserver 1000a1 Message-ID: <1ZYy7.515$RL6.4509@news.cpqcorp.net>e  K The Mach64 should work.  What's the problem?  I would stick a Trio64 in it,lC it is much simpler to configure (if you have a PCI slot available).   E Dennis Grevenstein wrote in message <3BCB8C25.978F4E@pcde.inka.de>...u >Hi, >  >Derek Haining wrote:o >>I >> My experience here is from dealing with Digital Personal Workstations.  The "a" anda >> "au" E >> boxes.  The "a" boxes had Alpha CPUs and were designed for runningb Windows NT. K >> (If I understood the naming convention, the "i" series uses Intel CPUs.)e The "au" >> boxesG >> had Alpha C PUs and were designed to run Unix (oh, and OpenVMS too).b Anyway,gD >> the "a" boxes came with one graphics card, and the "au" came with another. > F >I never heard about such a difference for Alphaservers. I guess the AL >only means some sort of an improvement as IIRC the A can take faster CPU's. >I am not sure however.  >RI >> You might check to see if the version of OpenVMS you are trying to rune will support >> the  >> Mach64 card.  I have no idea. >.E >This card should be supported. It's on the list of supported optionssI >and I read in an official README that you need the cfg files and the ECUi >to install this card.A >I clearly works with Tru64. This box was running Unix and Oracle  >originally.B >Maybe I will try another card, but I definitly want an additionalI >graphics card. The onboard framebuffer works with VMS, but only at 56Hz.o >It's a pain to work with. >h >Dennisu   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 04:42:51 -0700 (PDT)n. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: AMD's Itanion@ Message-ID: <20011016114251.28342.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com>  1 Do you know if AMD will launch their ouwn 64 bits0# processor compatible with Itanium ?     Like, Athlon, Duron, Itanion ...     Regardsn   FC=20l   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DuL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Da F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dd  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:22:47 GMTo, From: james.arnold@!!!usa.net (James Arnold) Subject: Re: AMD's Itanion3 Message-ID: <Bo9SJE620dxR-pn2-KO7ksQuZ0763@boromir>b  G On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:42:51, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> l wrote:  B         As I recall AMD is working on one. Hammer, I think and not= compatible with IA64. However it will run IA32 code natively.N           For mor info see:            L http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_2315_3923,00.h tml            JimE  3 > Do you know if AMD will launch their ouwn 64 bits % > processor compatible with Itanium ?e > " > Like, Athlon, Duron, Itanion ... >  > 	 > Regardsy >  > FC o >  > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazile > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br >   K ===========================================================================u remove !!! for e-maileJ James Arnold                                email:    james.arnold@usa.net=                                               ICQ:    9719182   &         Member Toronto OS/2 User Group  < Brought to you by the letters O S the number 2 and ProNews/2K ===========================================================================0   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:51:45 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: AMD's ItanionC Message-ID: <BAZy7.772717$NK1.69875468@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>m  9 Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in messageo: news:20011016114251.28342.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com...1 Do you know if AMD will launch their ouwn 64 bitsh# processor compatible with Itanium ?.    G IIRC, Intel has patents that would tend to prevent this.  Don't forget,.L Intel *helped* AMD create compatible x86 processors, 'way back when having a% second source was important to Intel.   K But AMD's x86-64 'Hammer' architecture (see pointer in another post in thistK thread, and due for release next summer) looks very promising.  Not only iseB it upward-compatible with IA32, such that it can run existing IA32J applications as fast as any IA32 processor (unlike Merced, which currently> runs them at something like 100 MHz Pentium speed), but it hasJ EV7/POWER4-like features such as on-chip glue for both multiple processorsJ (up to 8) and memory access (a DRAM access reportedly takes 140 - 160 ns.,E as contrasted with 330 - 910 ns. for Wildfire boxes):  AFAIK, Merced,PJ McKinley, Madison, and Deerfield do *not* have such on-chip glue, and thusL should be at a marked disadvantage for at least the next 3 - 4 years (not toK mention consuming twice as much power and more than twice as much chip arear as Hammer).    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:30:09 +0100 4 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk>" Subject: Appletalk port seed stateB Message-ID: <1003235256.24103.0.nnrp-01.9e989e7e@news.demon.co.uk>  K We're running Appletalk on our cluster (2 * Alpha VMS 7.3, Alpha VMS 7.1, &e
 VAX VMS 6.2).s: The VAX is the only one which we can enable as a "seeder".G They're all 'defined' as seed state on (as shown by mc atk$manager listhH known ports), but when they're started, the volatile database (sho knownJ ports) shows seed state off on the Alphas, although there are no errors in startup.K We have to turn the VAX off soon (we traded it in) - anyone else seen this,  or able to shed any light ?t   Thanks,r
 Chris Sharman,   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 08:57:42 -0400m- From: "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org>)& Subject: Re: Appletalk port seed state+ Message-ID: <sbcbf68e.030@AAASMTA.aaas.org>t  9 I have never done this on VMS, but I think it's relevant:   G In a single Appletalk zone, there can only be one machine seeding the = J network. I had this problem in a remote site once where a Netware server =J had been performing this duty and we moved it to NT (sadly, SFM is about =F the only stable thing under NT that can run forever without a reboot).  D What I found was I had to stop the Netware server from seeding the =F network, turn off all the Macs so nothing was propogating/using that =I information, and then start the NT server. It took a lot of after hours =nH twidling (like three days). It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure the =J unique Appletalk address of the seeding machine propogates, so it wasn't =I until the network was quiet of all appletalk traffic I was able to make =* the switch.I  H Hopefully, someone with a more specific VMS example can shed some more =- light on it. Best of luck (I sure needed it).E  J >>> "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk> 10/16/2001 8:30:09 AM = >>>eK We're running Appletalk on our cluster (2 * Alpha VMS 7.3, Alpha VMS 7.1, =  &V
 VAX VMS 6.2).R: The VAX is the only one which we can enable as a "seeder".G They're all 'defined' as seed state on (as shown by mc atk$manager listeH known ports), but when they're started, the volatile database (sho knownJ ports) shows seed state off on the Alphas, although there are no errors in startup.G We have to turn the VAX off soon (we traded it in) - anyone else seen =T this,h or able to shed any light ?e   Thanks,s
 Chris Sharmanu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:25:21 +010004 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk>/ Subject: Re: Appletalk port seed state - SOLVED B Message-ID: <1003242167.27074.0.nnrp-01.9e989e7e@news.demon.co.uk>  & The answer - needed routing turned on. Multiple seeders _are_ allowed.o   Thanks anyway, ChrisT  ? "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk> wrote in message < news:1003235256.24103.0.nnrp-01.9e989e7e@news.demon.co.uk...K > We're running Appletalk on our cluster (2 * Alpha VMS 7.3, Alpha VMS 7.1,y &  > VAX VMS 6.2).n< > The VAX is the only one which we can enable as a "seeder".I > They're all 'defined' as seed state on (as shown by mc atk$manager listtJ > known ports), but when they're started, the volatile database (sho knownL > ports) shows seed state off on the Alphas, although there are no errors in
 > startup.G > We have to turn the VAX off soon (we traded it in) - anyone else seent this,l > or able to shed any light ?r > 	 > Thanks,E > Chris SharmanT >I >D   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:28:19 -0400D4 From: John Malmberg <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq>& Subject: Re: CC 3.1 vs. CXX 5.6 on VAX2 Message-ID: <3BCC4403.70609@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq>   Soterro wrote: > Hello, > ' > I'm facing now the following problem:UF > There's a VAX running OpenVMS 6.1 with a CC version 3.1-44 (yeah andD > it works fine for the needs, funny thing is that its documentation > calls it 4.0).  @ VAX C ended with version 3.x.  The last version I remember using was 3.2-mumble.   9 Compaq C formerly known as DEC C started with version 4.0a  @ Your DEC C manual is not for the VAX C product.  Most of it will+ work, but critical things may be different.   : >  Now came the necessity to run some C++ code coming fromE > an Alpha machine. The Alpha is on OpenVMS 6.2, and also runs CC 6.2o > and CXX 6.2. > D > Finally I got installed my CXX 5.6 on the VAX machine. There was aC > small thread about it, unuseful unfortunately, and the solution IuC > found (with tips from Paul Schilling) was to rename starletsd.tlbAE > which apparently was having something against CXX. Now I renamed itiH > back, but I still cannot compile anything yet and this is actually theH > problem. I get lots of errors in the system include files, like below.E > I even had to play with the location of nam.h, because there was noe# > nam module in any library at all.n  D The tricks that you did with the starletsd.tlb may have something to do with that, or may not.   E I am not totally familiar with C++ or what problems that you had withk the installation process.   G > I really presume something is too old here, and probably the CC. Why?sC > I have no sys$starlets_c of any kind installed, that everybody istG > mentioning in messages, and it should probably be that way because CCtG > works ok. But should I get now a newer CC, which version should it belE > to match the CXX 5.6? As I see the ANSI people are changing all thenG > time stuff so I don't know what should I ask for. I also included thesD > messages, maybe there's something else that is wrong. I'm not even> > sure that sys$starlets_c.tlb comes with CC or with the OS ;)  C The sys$startlet_c.tlb comes with the OS, and may be updated by theo C or C++ Compiler, or ECO kits.f  A It of course may only be present on the more current releases of e< OpenVMS.  The same will be true of some of the header files.  G The HTML S.P.D online for CXX 5.6C does list that it should install on vB OpenVMS VAX 5.5-2 through 7.2, (The date on the document is before  the release of OpenVMS VAX 7.3).  D However you will need to consult the documentation and release notes? for what features work and will not work with older versions of  OpenVMS.  C If you have a support contract or under warrantee for your purchase.? you can contact the CSC about your installation problems to get* the fastest response.M  E While some of the Compiler developers do occasionally show up on thisn) forum, they do miss many of the postings.t  B Also there is an e-mail address supplied with the documentation toG give feedback to.  Response will not be as fast as with the CSC though.n  E The documentation for Compaq C and C++ including the Software Productt- Descriptions (S.P.D) are currently online at:l) http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/a  	 > Thanks,f > Sorin Costea > _ > cxx /optimize/include=([])/repository=(sys$disk:[.cxx_release]) /assume=noheader_type_default  > HSSCINTERFACE.CPPk# >                 variant_struct  {s# >         ........................^o > %CXX-E-NOSEMI, Missing ";". & >                 At line number 92 in% > $1$DIA0:[VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB]NAM.H;1.I >   F It appears that the C++ program is looking at the file nam.h supplied I with VAX C instead of the nam.h that should be used or supplied with the o C++ product.  B The nam.h supplied with Compaq C just does an #include <namdef.h>.   -John* Personal Opinion Only* malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:15:47 +0100f, From: "Bob Knowles" <bob.knowles@compaq.com>K Subject: Re: CETS presentations now available (only if you ignore security)i1 Message-ID: <0GVy7.491$RL6.4483@news.cpqcorp.net>n  9 I jus got in too. The policy must have changed overnight.s   bh  > "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message& news:ppM8+ddkuJe+@malvm6.mala.bc.ca...? > In article <3BCB36A3.340C7EF6@ohio.edu>, "Richard D. Piccard"  <piccard@ohio.edu> writes: > >mI > > And for those who are bolder, and permit their browser more room, ther following text appears:i > >hK > >         "Also note that only attendees who actually registered for CETSw 2001 will be ableo0 > >           to access the presentation files." > >i > J >    That part is not correct. I was able to access the presentation files after registeringoL > as a user ( I take it that's a feature and not a bug ). Now I just need to find time to porea > through them all.l >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:31:52 -0500e/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>e Subject: Combo slot in AS2553 Message-ID: <3BCBE268.F95ABF30@applied-synergy.com>*  H Can the PCI side of the combo slot (PCI slot #0) in an AS255 be used for	 anything?   H I have tried three different cards in this slot (KZPSA, KZPSC, and video1 card). All result in a system hang while booting.   + Is there a trick for configuring this slot?r   Thanx!  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------$$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com *   Fax: 817-237-3074t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:33:48 +0100o* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>  Subject: Re: Combo slot in AS255+ Message-ID: <9qgutt$iq6@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>o  < "Chris Scheers" <chris@applied-synergy.com> wrote in message- news:3BCBE268.F95ABF30@applied-synergy.com...kJ > Can the PCI side of the combo slot (PCI slot #0) in an AS255 be used for > anything?   H No, not on VMS anyway. It shares an interrupt with the onboard Ethernet.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:21:37 +0000 (UTC)e From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk= Subject: Re: Converting an ODS-2 to an ODS-5 file system diskn+ Message-ID: <9qh1nh$ogl$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>c  y In article <sbcadfeb.003@casgrpws.selkirk.bc.ca>, "Richard Wolff" <RWOLFF.CG-POST.SELKIRK@casgrpws.selkirk.bc.ca> writes:o >--=_91CB6C4B.50315D35+ >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII , >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > 8 >How do I convert an ODS-2 to an ODS-5 file system disk? >t >   
 You don't !!!n  . ODS-5 is NOT supported for the system disk !!!   See    HELP SET VOL/STRUC   SETt     VOLUME       /STRUCTURE_LEVEL             /STRUCTURE_LEVEL=n  E        Sets the structure level of the volume. Use the value 5 to seti        the volume to ODS-5.   =        When the /STRUCTURE_LEVEL qualifier is used with othereG        qualifiers, the volume structure level is set prior to the othere"        qualifiers being performed.  D        You cannot use the SET VOLUME command to change a volume fromH        ODS-5 to ODS-2. To reset a volume to ODS-2, refer to instructions<        in the OpenVMS Guide to Extended File Specifications.  ,                                         NOTE  A           Compaq does not support creating the system disk as (or2*           changing it to) an ODS-5 volume.  E        Refer to the OpenVMS Guide to Extended File Specifications for-        further information.1  0      
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:12:50 -0400t* From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@Compaq.com>= Subject: Re: Converting an ODS-2 to an ODS-5 file system disko* Message-ID: <3BCC3252.E65BA6A9@Compaq.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:w > A >   ...supporting the use of ODS-5 on the system disk on a futureiL >   release of OpenVMS Alpha.  (I *think* this was part of the DII COE work,A >   the DII COE platform uses ODS-5 disks for most everything.)  d  G   Yes, The DII COE release supports (and in some cases requires) ODS-5 oB system disks. There weren't any major technical changes required.   H   We've experimented with ODS-5 system disks since V7.2; we just hadn't I formally qualified them until the COE release. I'm not sure when we will aJ qualify them in a standard release; our V7.3-1 qual resources are already J pretty much booked. My guess would be that it will be tested with all the J rest of the COE bits, whenever they finish merging back into the mainline.   #include <hoff.sig> P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------L >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comP >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:49:17 GMTn2 From: "frank brown" <frank.brown@ci.seattle.wa.us>  Subject: DECNET ping equivalent?3 Message-ID: <1GYy7.612$UD1.17078@news-west.eli.net>o  C Is there an equivalent to the unix ping for DECNET phase IV to testiB connectivity to a remote node without using TCP/IP?  I'm using DIR5 NODE::DUAn:[DIR] but wonder if there's a cheaper way.o   -Frank Brown http://www.inwa.net/~frog/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:59:15 +0000D  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com$ Subject: Re: DECNET ping equivalent?/ Message-ID: <00256AE7.005D536A.00@quegw01.btyp>   L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza     $ MC NCP NCP> LOOP NODE nodenamei   should work for you.   Cheers   Steve Spires        F "frank brown" <frank.brown@ci.seattle.wa.us> on 10/16/2001 03:49:17 PM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)_N From:      "frank brown" <frank.brown@ci.seattle.wa.us>, 16 October 2001, 3:49            p.m.o   DECNET ping equivalent?-        C Is there an equivalent to the unix ping for DECNET phase IV to testoB connectivity to a remote node without using TCP/IP?  I'm using DIR5 NODE::DUAn:[DIR] but wonder if there's a cheaper way.6   -Frank Brown http://www.inwa.net/~frog/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:09:52 GMTH2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)$ Subject: Re: DECNET ping equivalent?1 Message-ID: <kZYy7.516$RL6.4560@news.cpqcorp.net>a  h In article <1GYy7.612$UD1.17078@news-west.eli.net>, "frank brown" <frank.brown@ci.seattle.wa.us> writes:D :Is there an equivalent to the unix ping for DECNET phase IV to testC :connectivity to a remote node without using TCP/IP?  I'm using DIR 6 :NODE::DUAn:[DIR] but wonder if there's a cheaper way.  H   There isn't really a direct analog to ping within DECnet, the connect L   initiate request followed by a remote connect reject sequence is probably E   the closest and most direct, but I'm not aware of a generic connect    reject "server".  F   Other options include LOOP and the remote MIRROR object, use of FAL,%   and use of the DTSEND/DTRECV tools.r  G   Often it is simply best to try the required operation and capture and=F   handle any failures -- it is, after all, obviously possible for the E   node or the network to fail between the time of a successful probe B<   and the completion of operation that is actually required.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:32:44 GMTb3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>uL Subject: Re: Developers and End-Users? (was: Re: A free VMS implementation?)/ Message-ID: <3BCC6D12.D1121E5B@cableinet.co.uk>o   Hoff Hoffman wrote:l  s > K >   I have worked with folks that have wanted to customize specific OpenVMSrL >   components, and I have acquired the necessary sanction for and have then, >   provided the source code to these folks.  HH do they replicate the VMS engineering build environment or do you build % "custom VMS" kits for them, I wonder?8   regardsy -- s Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk     C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of A! my employers or service provider.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:23:56 -0400e. From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca>< Subject: Does Patrick LE QUERE still out there (MAILBOX .07)2 Message-ID: <i3_y7.41856$Z2.624505@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  K Does anyone know if he is still out there.  I have been trying to reach him G thru his web site and email but with no luck.  Does he have a new emaile address or way of reaching him..  I I have a small issue with his mailbox .07 version and was hoping he couldc look into it and fix it.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2001 06:50:26 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)( Subject: Re: Free IMAP4 server for UCX ?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110160550.451eadb6@posting.google.com>a   Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> wrote in message news:<OtAy7.29517$ev2.35679@www.newsranger.com>...7 > What are the current plans for IMAP4 support in UCX ?  > K > Are there any free IMAP4 servers available for UCX or are CPQ planning to- > add IMAP4 support to UCX ? > 6 > There is no reference to IMAP in the latest VMS FAQ. > J > Searching the comp.os.vms archives at groups.google.com shows that thereH > are IMAP4 servers available for the other TCP/IP stacks and that thereL > is a IMAP2 implementation freely available, but that it does not work with > current IMAP clients.b >  > Thanks for any information,e >  > Simon.  B tcpware has a terrific imap4 server ... we use it for all our pc's; to access mail on the vms server from anywhere, anytime ...i@ and tcpware runs crisper in our tests because it is based on the> vms kernel, not a unix kernel like ucx or multinet ... all vms2 systems should be using tcpware as their ip stack!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:34:25 +0800e' From: "Kenneth" <chehon@netvigator.com>  Subject: Global symbol0 Message-ID: <9qhn92$9hj2@imsp212.netvigator.com>  H I have a global system symbol "success == 1, failure ==0" defined duringF system startup  and everyone can use the same symbol as a check in theK command procedure. However, this symbol cannot be seen, ie. the system willEG treat this is an undefine symbol,  when the command file is call by rsh = (remote shell). How can I make the symbol can be seen in rsh?M   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:58:22 GMTc2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Global symbol1 Message-ID: <OGZy7.518$RL6.4409@news.cpqcorp.net>e  Z In article <9qhn92$9hj2@imsp212.netvigator.com>, "Kenneth" <chehon@netvigator.com> writes:I :I have a global system symbol "success == 1, failure ==0" defined duringeG :system startup  and everyone can use the same symbol as a check in theeL :command procedure. However, this symbol cannot be seen, ie. the system willH :treat this is an undefine symbol,  when the command file is call by rsh> :(remote shell). How can I make the symbol can be seen in rsh?  J   DCL symbols are constructs of the command interpreter, and are specific K   to the process that equated them (or to a subprocess that later inherited K   the setting).  Symbols are (by default) inherited by and propogated into eI   any subprocesses subsequently created, but the values are NOT returned  C   from the subprocess back to the parent when the subprocess exits.A  F   Rather than a symbol, you will want to use a logical name.  You willF   want to define the logical name in the system logical name table or E   in another shared logical name table.  Multiple logical name tablessD   exist, and you will want to use a table (easily) accessable to the=   startup process and to your later (verification) processes.n  G   You will also want to use a site-specific prefix on your logical name C   definition, to avoid collisions with other applications and other-   users.  ,   For instance, SYLOGICALS.COM would define:  B     $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE CHEHON_SUCCESS 0        ! or "FALSE"  ;   And the last part of SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM would then define:m  A     $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE/NOLOG CHEHON_SUCCESS 1  ! or "TRUE"p  0   To view the setting from another process, use:  ,     $ completed = f$trnlnm("CHEHON_SUCCESS")     $ if completed
     $ then     $   ...a
     $ else     $   ...      $ endifi  G   I can provide pointers to information on DCL programming and such, aspG   I am inferring (correctly or not) you are relatively unfamiliar with a*   OpenVMS and with OpenVMS DCL programing.  I   That said, rather than the approach you are attempting, I would tend totG   look to use SET NOON and other constructs to get the majority of the pF   startup to execute to completion, and I would log specific errors.  K   (You can use the logging capabilities of the system startup -- described uI   in the system management manual -- to log and later review the results hH   of the system startup.  I am aware of various sites that will log the K   startup results, and will then filter the expected errors, and then scan nJ   the results for errors.  Lists of errors detected can then be mailed or F   otherwise processed.)  Your proposed approach will work only if you I   include specific error checks -- via $STATUS or $SEVERITY -- or if you rJ   do NOT include SET NOON in the SYSTARTUP_VMS procedure.  With SET NOON, I   a DEFINE command located at the end of the procedure would very likely yG   execute.  You'd see an erroneous "success" indicator, in other words.i  D   When posting, please include the OpenVMS version and platform, andE   details of associated products (TCP/IP Services, in this case), and H   some idea of the particular problem you are solving -- this backgroundG   in addition to the specific solution you are seeking assistance with.sB   This extra information can provide us with the details that are J   necessary for us to make alternate suggestions and to propose alternate    solutions.  Thanks!o    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2001 07:37:06 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)/ Subject: Re: Higher prices for Alpha processorsV= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110160637.585d6f57@posting.google.com>i  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3BC3E02A.51F4D013@videotron.ca>...f > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:oK > > Who's to say that they'll be able to migrate to NT three years down theaM > > road? Didn't a guy named Melling pitch a Risky Affinity Scheme about fived > > years ago? > N > 3 yeasr ? No. But 5-10 years, probably, especially if Compaq/HP work so hardO > to ignore VMS and push NT down corporation's throats. Also, Digital bet on NToP > way too early in the game. And Compaq knows that NT isn't quite ready yet, butP > my guess is that as soon as they see NT mature enough, they will continue whatP > Digital had begun. Until then, everything is on the backburner, including VMS. > A > > Wasn't the assumption that NT would achieve functional parityaM > > with VMS and Tru64 by Y2K? Didn't happen then, isn't happening now, and ItF > > venture to guess that it won't happen for quite some time to come. > N > NT need not achieve parity to steal customers and marketshare from VMS. VeryI > few actually need all the fancy VMS clustering stuff, and more and morelL > applications will avoid using features that exist only on VMS because theyJ > know that they will have to suppport Unix/NT versions of their software. > N > > Alpha will remain the only game in town for VMS and Tru64 for several moreO > > years and Compaq can ill afford to sacrifice the revenue stream and marginsK. > > that accrue from its enterprise platforms. > O > But those that Compaq intends to keep are stuck, captive, slaves to Alpha and1M > Compaq knows it can charge as much as it wants because those customers haveo* > loyalty levels that permit such gouging.  F nt will never be on the level of vms ... are you forgetting why peopleE are still on vms?  it's security and reliability!  clustering is just F another plus!  vms will be around thru 2015 or longer and the militaryE will be the primary users along with us smart IT managers like myself @ that aren't idiots ... nt catch vms, what have you been smoking?   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2001 07:40:34 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)/ Subject: Re: Higher prices for Alpha processorsl= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110160640.5aa55a8b@posting.google.com>e  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3BC48021.4990209E@videotron.ca>...- > Peter da Silva wrote:uP > > Do you have any reason to believe that NT will ever be a credible enterprise > > class operating system?  > L > Over time, Microsoft will add sufficient bloatware for its marketing to be8 > able to convince CIOs that NT is ready for prime time. > / > > The fundamental design of the OS and API isK! > > relentlessly single-instance:r > H > So, you have a single rack of multiple NT boxes. That is what Compaq'sI > "futures" slides looked like at a recent presentation.  The point is to-P > provide IT services. If NT can provide this with multiple CPUs each having itsK > own instance, costs less than some fancy VMS thing and has the management-= > tools to manage those multiple OS instances, then why not ?0 > K > Microsoft and Compaq have been able to convince many CIOs to trust really N > important stuff to NT already and that will only continue to happen. IIS mayO > have bad reputation (finally) but that will be temporary and MS will come outaO > with a new and improved version of IIS that might actually have some securityg > in it. > J > > What solution to things like the single registry namespace do you see? > M > A serious application can simply use its own configuration files instead of2K > relying on that stupid registry thing. Or they could improve the registrydO > thing to allow each process to have access to its own registry space. InsteadsO > of having just "USER", it could have "JOB" and "PROCESS". This way, you could.J > start IIS on the same machine with the same "USER", but with a differentG > "PROCESS" registry section/tree with the process specific parameters.r  F run 1000 nt boxes instead of "1" alpha vms box!  i'm glad i don't work for you!   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2001 07:50:01 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)/ Subject: Re: Higher prices for Alpha processorsu= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110160650.4f343f67@posting.google.com>v  S peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) wrote in message news:<9q2dbo$5nr@web.nmti.com>... . > In article <3BC48021.4990209E@videotron.ca>,1 > JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:r1 > > > The fundamental design of the OS and API isd# > > > relentlessly single-instance:5 >  DJ > > So, you have a single rack of multiple NT boxes. That is what Compaq's: > > "futures" slides looked like at a recent presentation. > ' > Can you say "maintainance nightmare"?p > G > (no, I don't believe in magic management tools, particularly when theoL > point of the multiple systems is to resolve the problems I'm talking about( > so they're all configured differently) > O > > A serious application can simply use its own configuration files instead of-M > > relying on that stupid registry thing. Or they could improve the registryhQ > > thing to allow each process to have access to its own registry space. Instead Q > > of having just "USER", it could have "JOB" and "PROCESS". This way, you could L > > start IIS on the same machine with the same "USER", but with a differentI > > "PROCESS" registry section/tree with the process specific parameters.h > N > Tektronix came up with a similar hack on later versions of WinDD. It was notO > pleasant, 'cos there was no way to tell an application "no, I really want you J > looking at the global namespace this time" so you had to switch back andH > forth from "install mode" to "run mode"... and that was only for *one*  > dimension of 'instance space'. > * > Looks like another management nightmare. > L > Windows NT (and hence 2000) is finally a pretty good desktop OS. Why can'tN > they concentrate on making it the best possible desktop OS instead of trying1 > to cram it into niches it's never designed for?   F you just hit the nail on the head ... windows will always be a client,H but never a server environment ... unless they plan a rewrite after they get done with IIS ...-   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2001 08:19:02 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)/ Subject: Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110160719.5d201757@posting.google.com>?  [ Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message news:<3BC6F8E7.339CFD92@gtech.com>...n > JF Mezei wrote:I > > Arne Vajhj wrote:G > > > "OK - so Alpha sales revenue are down after our Alpha end-of-lifebJ > > > announcement - no problem we will just increase prices to compensate > > > for decrase in units." > > >-3 > > > The computer business does not work that way.v > >  > > Yes it does. > A > So you claim tha Alpha revenue will go up by a price increase ?@ > ) > I did not belive that was your opinion.  > D > > When you want to get rid of a product to favour a more strategic: > > one, you take steps to make that product unattractive. > F > That may be very true. But it has *NOTHING* to do with what I wrote. >  > Arne  A i am tired of hearing these price winers ... if you want the bestPC you have to pay for it ... vms and alpha are not commodity hardwarecD and software like pc junk ... and we are willing to pay for securityC and reliability and not have the nightmare of running 1000 nt boxesoG instead of one alpha like some idiot suggested in this topic previouslyEI to be able to adequately support multiple users and instances of apps ...wI it's like the saying goes when it comes to security, reliability and ease0: of use ... you can pay me now, or pay me later (i.e. IIS)!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:02:18 -040045 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>7/ Subject: Re: Higher prices for Alpha processorsc1 Message-ID: <ZJZy7.519$RL6.4554@news.cpqcorp.net>o  F Please don't put words in my mouth.  I expect that had we continued toI develop the EV8 that it would have remained "competetive" with Itanium inrG performance, but I doubt it cost.  The cost to do it apparently did not F justify the investment, and it only would have gotten worse over time.  J EV6 was a pretty good leap in technology, and it was hard to do - busted aK lot of software along the way to get it right.  The OoO stuff, speculation,tF using cache state for multiprocessor locking, etc.  EV7 doesn't reallyK change anything there, instead it focuses on things that are really outsidenF of the processor - like the cost of getting to memory, and how to glueI together a NUMA system without a costly hierarchical switch.  EV8's focus E was mostly on how to leverage the resources on a single die which are-J normally inefficiently used - which doesn't really help with single streamH performance.  The processor speed, and number of units on the ship wouldF have increased that somewhat - and made it "competetive" with Itanuim.  D But how much faster does it have to be to "win" in the market place?I Clearly there have been times when we have had well over a 2x performance1G lead - but that didn't translate into it eating SUNs lunch - who have ajG pathetic turd-on-a-chip called Sparc.  Yes, it made us the standard for K people who were willing to pay *any* price for the highest performance - so D the genome people love it, some animation shops love it, some of theG military love it, and some of the supercomputer people love it. The VMSr# people love it BECAUSE IT RUNS VMS.c  K We have a lot of experience building relatively large servers out of Alpha.m? EV7 will provide really fast systems from 2 processors up to 64eK (architecturally 256, and realistically 128 could be built).  EV7, and EV79.L will remain competetive with everything - including the Power4.  But ItaniumH *will* catch up within a performance delta that is immaterial to all butI zealots, and eventually surpass it.  We can all take wild guesses at whatQJ that timeframe is.  And we can all speculate about when and how fast a EV8 and EV9 would have been.  J But I contend that most people, aside from the zealots, do not really careJ about the processor ISA.  They care about the price/performance - and thatK only a handfull of people are way out on the leading edge of wanting to payaI for absolute performance.  What they do care about is competetive pricing-F with competetive performance in the industry.  And that their software investment is protected.  H We are porting to Itanium.  We will do our best to make it as painless aL transition as possible.  People who need raw performance, and need it beforeB say 2004/2005, can safely buy EV6x and EV7x based systems with theJ appropriate price/performance.  When Itanium comes along, it will at firstI be for early adopters - and won't be as fast as existing Alpha platforms. F But it WILL be able to run Windows as well as VMS, something we can noE longer say about Alpha.  People can make apples-to-apples comparisonswI between vendors offerings - since pretty much everyone except SUN will be K selling Itanium systems.  And at some point - and I am not smart enough (ortK paid enough) to know *exactly* when, Itanium family systems will be as big, . bigger, fast, and faster than Alpha platforms.  H I think with enough money, Alpha could have been performance competetiveJ with Intel and IBM.  But it would have taken a lot of money to stay out inJ front of both, and the delta between performance might not have been largeF enough for someone to pick Alpha over Itanium - especially in the UNIXL space.  I think not having control over the fab makes it tough to compete on raw performance.       Bill Todd wrote in message ... >$? >Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in messagec, >news:BrEy7.440$RL6.3822@news.cpqcorp.net... >a >... > 4 >> We continue to sell Alphas into new accounts, andG >> continue to get new sales every day on Alpha.  The Business CriticalE >SystemsJ >> division is focused on selling Alphas.  There IS NO let up in trying to >selloI >> Alpha, which would be foolish since we will not have a competetive IPF-9 >> offering (with EV68 or EV7 or EV79) for quite a while.d >aI >So IPF won't be competitive until some time after EV79, eh?  Which meansZH >about the time EV8 would have shipped, in which case it seems extremelyJ >likely that IPF wouldn't have been competitive then either, for some even >longer period.s >=H >Can this be the same Fred K. who so eloquently supported the party line thatK >Alpha couldn't have maintained a sufficient performance advantage over IPFeI >to justify continued development?  Sure sounds as if you're saying abovemG >that Alpha could have easily held onto at least its own markets (whichb couldiK >have been expanded significantly with even minimal effort) against IPF fore. >at least 5 - 6 years, had EV8 been completed. >  >- bills >a >a >    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:27:12 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>1 Subject: HWP/CPQ: (...internal morale is poor...)r@ Message-ID: <20011016172712.77416.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>   Click at  ? http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-7542492-0.html?tag=3Dcd_mht  - To check the recommendations of a HWP and CPQo  shareholde to stop the merger...   RegardsM   FC=20o   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dc F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazils fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:13:49 -0600E From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>19 Subject: Re: Ingres (Was: Re: jobs? ingres vax/vms cobol)s& Message-ID: <3BCC5CBD.EF35DDD@srv.net>   John Eisenschmidt wrote: > 1 > Ahh, another product who's sad story ends with:. > : > "And then Computer Associates bought them <DOT DOT DOT>" > > > I have heard of Ingres but never had the pleasure to use it. >   ? Ingres started out as an academic exercise.  The same group whor> did the original Ingres (source is available in various places> on the net for that version) later went on to create Postgres.9 Postgres was later modified to have an SQL interface, andp? renamed to Postgres95 (or some such number).  It was then laterg= renamed to PostgreSQL, which is currently being developed ande used.   ? > Ingres was a major database company back in the 80s and earlyeE > 90s.  If I remember correctly Ingres was originally developed in anr> > academic environment and then taken commerical by RelationalA > Technology in Alameda (Oakland) California.  In its early yearsn< > VMS was it's main development platform.  After significant> > market success the company's name was changed to Ingres.  In? > the early 90s it fell into financial trouble and was acquirednD > by ASK Computer Systems.  A few years later ASK got into financial? > problems and was acquired by Computer Associates.  I think CA < > just milked the product and didn't do much marketing.  The > last version I used was 6.4.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:17:04 -0400C0 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca>! Subject: Re: Installed VMS Imagesv5 Message-ID: <NfXy7.69519$TW.365580@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>o  D This means I"m probably getting too old. Using old syntax and/or not9 remembering everything in the release notes (Alzeimer ?).    Thanks for getting me right!   --   SyltremtI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)a> To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  L "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> a crit dans le message news:& QzGy7.459$RL6.3902@news.cpqcorp.net...A > In article <KiGx7.68795$TW.360822@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem"a( <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca> writes: > :$ install:==$installO > :$ install add vmountr > E >   That recommendation contains very outdated syntax for the INSTALLa utility. > L >   The foreign command syntax was replaced some time ago -- the old INSTALLJ >   command syntax was replaced in the (as it was then known) VAX/VMS V4.0I >   release, and INSTALL was later promoted to a full DCL verb -- with noa; >   need for the foreign command syntax -- in VAX/VMS V5.0.a >y( >  ---------------------------- #include' <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------eL >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion --------------------------- 1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering' hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >e   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2001 04:42 CDTu' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)e  Subject: Re: Itanium and OpenVMS- Message-ID: <16OCT200104424099@gerg.tamu.edu>t  2 Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes... }Let me fly ...d } 1 }First of all Compaq/HP decides to develop an USBr }board for Itanium machines ...o } 0 }And instead of using floppies to load firmware,3 }Compaq/HP begins to use "USB based storage" - likee) }those "pens" to distribute firmware !=20l }  }What do you think about this ?   I I think Itanium based systems already have USB ports (as do some Alphas). K The HP i2000 worstations have four of them, for example (and the DS10/XP900  Alpha systems have two).  D As for using them for firmware distributions, I'm not sure I see theE point. (Trying to add to the console a USB driver that allows you to,tE in effect, boot from a USB device seems like a relatively poor use ofe the development team's time.)   F As it is now, you don't have to use the floppy. You can use the CD. OrE you can copy the appropriate file to you system disk and use flags on B a boot to tell it to boot that file (you can even do this over theI network via MOP, if need be). I expect it will be similar for the Itanium  systems.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 03:17:00 -0700 (PDT)n. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>  Subject: Re: Itanium and OpenVMS? Message-ID: <20011016101700.3508.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>e  2 In theory you can load firmware using SanDisks for example....k2 Why use floppy ? Intel decided stop to develop for floopies nex week.  & Compaq/HP must choos another media.=20  / Why not SanDisk, USB storage, Dataplay ? Etc...    Regardsn   FC=208, --- Carl Perkins <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote:4 > Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes... > }Let me fly ...c > }=203 > }First of all Compaq/HP decides to develop an USBt! > }board for Itanium machines ...b > }=202 > }And instead of using floppies to load firmware,5 > }Compaq/HP begins to use "USB based storage" - like - > }those "pens" to distribute firmware !=3D20s > }=20! > }What do you think about this ?l >=206 > I think Itanium based systems already have USB ports > (as do some Alphas).1 > The HP i2000 worstations have four of them, for  > example (and the DS10/XP900t > Alpha systems have two). >=203 > As for using them for firmware distributions, I'mt > not sure I see the3 > point. (Trying to add to the console a USB driver, > that allows you to, 0 > in effect, boot from a USB device seems like a > relatively poor use of > the development team's time.)n >=205 > As it is now, you don't have to use the floppy. Yout > can use the CD. Or6 > you can copy the appropriate file to you system disk > and use flags on6 > a boot to tell it to boot that file (you can even do > this over thes3 > network via MOP, if need be). I expect it will bed > similar for the Itanium 
 > systems. >=20
 > --- Carl     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DlL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dr F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazila fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dn  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 03:17:10 -0700 (PDT)-. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>  Subject: Re: Itanium and OpenVMS? Message-ID: <20011016101710.3533.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>e  2 In theory you can load firmware using SanDisks for example....m2 Why use floppy ? Intel decided stop to develop for6 floopies next year.Compaq/HP must choos another media.    / Why not SanDisk, USB storage, Dataplay ? Etc...s   Regardso   FC=20w, --- Carl Perkins <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote:4 > Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes... > }Let me fly ...e > }=203 > }First of all Compaq/HP decides to develop an USB ! > }board for Itanium machines ...  > }=202 > }And instead of using floppies to load firmware,5 > }Compaq/HP begins to use "USB based storage" - liket- > }those "pens" to distribute firmware !=3D20l > }=20! > }What do you think about this ?m >=206 > I think Itanium based systems already have USB ports > (as do some Alphas).1 > The HP i2000 worstations have four of them, ford > example (and the DS10/XP900d > Alpha systems have two). >=203 > As for using them for firmware distributions, I'mo > not sure I see the3 > point. (Trying to add to the console a USB driver, > that allows you to,d0 > in effect, boot from a USB device seems like a > relatively poor use of > the development team's time.)t >=205 > As it is now, you don't have to use the floppy. Youi > can use the CD. Or6 > you can copy the appropriate file to you system disk > and use flags on6 > a boot to tell it to boot that file (you can even do > this over thew3 > network via MOP, if need be). I expect it will be" > similar for the Itaniuma
 > systems. >=20
 > --- Carl     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DdL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dr F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:10:59 -0400-- From: "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org>O6 Subject: Matrix Asset Advisors Oppose HP/Compaq Merger+ Message-ID: <sbcbf9ad.077@AAASMTA.aaas.org>a  ) I don't think anyone has posted this yet.9  J Matrix owns 531,675 shares of HP and 826,846 shares of Compaq. They feel =J the companies are worth more apart, and are planning to vote against the = merger.   1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/22255.htmlf   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 06:17:13 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>: Subject: Re: Matrix Asset Advisors Oppose HP/Compaq Merger? Message-ID: <20011016131713.7812.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>e   I've read .a   But ... who knows ?   , If HP and Compaq dont merger what can happen to Compaq ?=20   Split in two companies ?=20v   PC business and HPS business???t       Regardsk   FC=20o0 --- John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> wrote:+ > I don't think anyone has posted this yet.  >=205 > Matrix owns 531,675 shares of HP and 826,846 shares 3 > of Compaq. They feel the companies are worth mored5 > apart, and are planning to vote against the merger.c >=203 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/22255.htmlb >=20     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DtL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dh F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilt fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Du  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:51:18 +0200e, From: Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> Subject: MOZILLA 0.9.5) Message-ID: <3BCC1126.3000504@iaf.fhg.de>h  M I started with Netscape Gold and moved to MOZILLA, which is stable now. It's h7 comparable to Netscape 6.1 (Java support is coming !!!) . I switched to MOZILLA as e-mail front end too.   The new version is available:e^ http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla0.9.5/mozilla-openvms-alpha-m095.sfx_axpexe and the release notes: hI http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/mozilla_relnotes.html      Regards, -- i  ; *********************************************************** ; *                                                         *-; *  Theo Jakobus                                           *r; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  *o; *  Tullastr. 72                                           * ; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       *e; *  Germany                                                *e; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           * ; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           * ; *  e-mail:  Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                       * ; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  * ; *                                                         * ; ***********************************************************c   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:40:13 GMT*- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)e Subject: Re: MOZILLA 0.9.50 Message-ID: <3bcc29d9.76096030@news.process.com>  J On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:51:18 +0200, Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> wrote:  N >I started with Netscape Gold and moved to MOZILLA, which is stable now. It's 8 >comparable to Netscape 6.1 (Java support is coming !!!)/ >I switched to MOZILLA as e-mail front end too.s >a >The new version is available:_ >http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla0.9.5/mozilla-openvms-alpha-m095.sfx_axpexet >and the release notes: J >http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/mozilla_relnotes.html >aG A new LIBNSPR4.SO image that allows Mozilla 0.9.5 to work with MultiNetuF and TCPware is also available now, thanks to Compaq.  You can find the$ image for MultiNet and TCPware here:  + http://www.support.process.com/mozilla.htmlo  5 ftp://ftp.process.com/mozilla/libnspr4_mozilla_095.so   B Images for previous releases are also available via the first URL.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/c9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/a   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:51:05 GMT # From: mats@plea.se (Mats Magnusson)n3 Subject: Re: PC LA70 driver (was: Re: LA-70 Driver)p Message-ID: <3bccaae7@plea.se>  H  AR> You can find the driver you want at www.driverguide.com, but as has	  AR> beeneJ  AR> stated, using a compatible driver is just as good and was recommended  AR> byo<  AR> Digital many many moons ago, in their performance tips.E  AR> 'For the following models and text printing performance, use thet  AR> following
  AR> drivers:-E  AR> - LA70 in Proprinter mode, select IBM Proprinter II driver underv  AR> Windows;'  ? I think there is an LA70 driver included with windows NT 4.0...n    AR> Regards    AR> Andrew Robinson    AR> -----Original Message-----y8  AR> From: Alphaman [mailto:alphaman64@nixspam-home.com]   AR> Sent: 09 October 2001 03:24  AR> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com8  AR> Subject: Re: PC LA70 driver (was: Re: LA-70 Driver)    7  AR> Windows 3.1?  You might find a native LA70 driver.t  G  AR> Other than that, IIRC the LA70 could emulate an IBM ProPrinter.  It  AR> believeK  AR> there were never any drivers written for the LA series of printers for 
  AR> Win95  AR> or later.  J  AR> Like Hoff said, tho, VMS doesn't require such things, and this really  AR> is theiK  AR> wrong newsgroup for peecee driver Q's.  Comp.sys.dec might be a littlecL  AR> closer to what you want, but even that's not 100% right.  I have seen aJ  AR> website with drivers for obsolete printers (and other devices) on it,  AR> butH  AR> cannot find it now.  You may want to hit some search engines if you  AR> want to  AR> follow that route.i    AR> Good luck,t
  AR> Aaron  AR> --PC  AR> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.htmlS  7  AR> "I fear all we have done is waken a sleeping giant 0  AR>      and fill him with a terrible resolve.",  AR>       Japanese Admiral Isoruku Yamamoto,  AR>       after the bombing of Pearl Harbor  A  AR> Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.d    B  AR> Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message.  AR> news:53nv7.24$RL6.189@news.cpqcorp.net...M  >> In article <3BBCE024.E50631D8@home.com>, Andy Csepely <kicsi2l8@home.com>   AR> writes:J  >> :I'm in need of a windows driver for an LA-70 printer. Any thoughts? I5  >> :looked on some sites but was unable to find one.o  J  >>   Wrong newsgroup -- this is the OpenVMS newsgroup, and not the random!  >>   PC widget driver newsgroup.-  K  >>   OpenVMS treats the LA70 as a standard serial printer device, and doesd,  >>   not require specialzed drivers for it.  L  >>   You'll want to ask the Windows folks which of the gazillions of serialK  >>   printers you should use -- the LA50, LA75 and various other serial LA4)  >>   printer drivers will probably work.c  2  >>   The archives of PC drivers are available at:  /  >>     http://www4.support.compaq.com/support/   J  >>   If you follow the links to the printer links, you'll find directions@  >>   for the LA75, which I'd tend to expect would suffice here.  *  >>  ---------------------------- #include,  AR> <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------7  >>       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --_  >> www.openvms.compaq.com.  >>  --------------------------- pure personal(  AR> opinion ---------------------------3  >>    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering1  AR> hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com       AR> ---<  AR>  * Origin: Info-VAX<==>comp.os.vms Gateway (2:99/999.0)   -- l* M.V.H. Mats Magnusson http://plea.se/~mats   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 01 10:45:48 EDT From: grant@rigel.cc.wmich.edu6 Subject: Re: Preferred port for cluster communications/ Message-ID: <Tkq2H01lTf$6@mcduck.acs.wmich.edu>   q In article <cf15391e.0110151638.3b884cb1@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:sW > grant@rigel.cc.wmich.edu wrote in message news:<$C+Qjjp2cnnJ@mcduck.acs.wmich.edu>...eI >> We just installed an HSG80 on our VMScluster (alphas).  Performance isP8 >> MUCH better than old CI/HSJ40 (two dual-controllers). > C > Just out of curiosity, did you also consider an upgrade to HSJ50snA > (quite cheap nowadays) or HSJ80s?  Was the HSJ80 upgrade option.H > actually more expensive than the HSG80s plus all the FC infrastructure/ > (FC switches, adapters, cables) they require?i > E No.  Given the age of the CI interface (and the cost of adding a card F to a newer CPU), we chose to go fiber and eliminate CI completely.  WeD did look at memory channel or Gigabit Ethernet for the interconnect,C but decided that since we had been doing all disk, tape, and SCS ontE just the dual 70 mbit CI, that 100 mbit should be able to handle justi3 SCS -- and that the others cost substantially more.e  J >> To support the cluster traffic being over the LAN instead of the CI, weI >> added a second 100 Mbit Ethernet to each CPU.  And, we put these on on05 >> isolated net, connecting only the cluster systems.u > E > At this point, you've speeded up the I/O operations.  By moving SCS1H > traffic to the LAN, I assume you have in mind to take advantage of theE > lower latency of LANs for locking traffic compared with CI.  Do you H > see symptoms of locking bottlenecks or performance problems (i.e. highD > lock queues, SCS credit waits on VMS$VAXcluster SYSAP connections,5 > lots of processes in RWSCS state lots of the time)?o  I Too soon to know yet.  Now that you mention them, I'll be on the lookout.51 Certainly we're getting MUCH higher throughput --.H to the point where IO/sec in MON CLUSTER frequently reports *** for some	 devices!!e   > F > BTW, having a dedicated LAN rail for cluster traffic is an excellent2 > idea when you are using the LAN for SCS traffic. > M >> I found something in the OpenVMS FAQ (MGMT47) which says it is possible todP >> change the weight on the various ports so that the system will preferentially6 >> do cluster communications on the preferred ports.   >>  N >>   Each port has a "Load Class" associated with it. ... an adjustment to the& >>   load class values is required ... >>  O >> I find the examples for turning off a particular bus completely, but nothingOO >> on how to change the weights -- which we would prefer so the system can falll >> back if necessary.- >> -# >> Does anyone know how to do this?  > E > If you're running 7.3, you can use the new SCACP program -- see the-G > 7.3 System Management Utilities manual.  For a good summary of SCACP,aG > see Verell Boaen's presentation on SCACP from either www.cets2001.org2 > or www.dfwcug.org (DFW Days).d  . We're not, and probably won't be anytime soon.   > A > In case you're not running 7.3, the CSC has available a programf? > written by Kevin Jenkins of VMS Sustaining Engineering calledoG > PORT_CLASS_SETUP, which can change the load class values and redirecteG > SCS connections differently than the default SCS priorities.  The way G > the program works is to temporarily set the Load Class rating for theaA > interconnect to a value you specify for an SCS port you specifytG > (presumably a higher value for the PEA0 device if you want VMS to useeE > the LAN in preference to the CI), and then lies to SCS and tells itn? > that a new interconnect has just been discovered, and to moveBF > connections to that interconnect if it has a higher Load Class valueH > than that of the interconnect presently in use.  After the connections@ > are shifted, the program sets the Load Class value back to the > original value, as I recall.  " Sounds good. I'll ask them for it.   > B > You could also turn off SCS connections over the CI (or DSSI) byE > setting PANOPOLL to 1 or by setting PAMAXPORT to a value lower thanaF > the lowest host-node CI ID, but then you couldn't fail back to CI in, > the event of failure of both LAN adapters.E > -------------------------------------------------------------------eE > Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | VMS consulting on:hE > Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Internals, Performance, Storage & I/O    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:42:12 GMTa2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)6 Subject: Re: Preferred port for cluster communications1 Message-ID: <ozYy7.512$RL6.4538@news.cpqcorp.net>   q In article <cf15391e.0110151638.3b884cb1@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:eV :grant@rigel.cc.wmich.edu wrote in message news:<$C+Qjjp2cnnJ@mcduck.acs.wmich.edu>...I :> We just installed an HSG80 on our VMScluster (alphas).  Performance isy8 :> MUCH better than old CI/HSJ40 (two dual-controllers). : B :Just out of curiosity, did you also consider an upgrade to HSJ50s@ :(quite cheap nowadays) or HSJ80s?  Was the HSJ80 upgrade optionG :actually more expensive than the HSG80s plus all the FC infrastructuret. :(FC switches, adapters, cables) they require?  D   Fibre Channel (FC) is rather faster than CI.  We saw a substantialG   reduction in the operating system build times when we moved the disks D   from CI to FC.  I am aware of similar reports of improvement from E   various FC customers.  (There's a good war story here, a "problem" eD   that was noticed by an engineer working on the OpenVMS I/O caches.D   Once the gear involved is fully available, maybe I'll tell it. :-)  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2001 08:52:54 -0700/ From: on_the_move4ever@yahoo.com (Rick Nickles) % Subject: Re: Really Unhackable...???? = Message-ID: <b2faac46.0110160752.2b70da01@posting.google.com>-  F Note the test environment listed on the "unhackable" notice concerning Defcon9d  D This was OpenVMS 7.2 (variant) - with a security product installed. E This isn't the same as what you encountered 15 years ago.  There were . security issues that have since been resolved.   Rick h    d lewis_nospam@lumina.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) wrote in message news:<9purt9$8la$1@top.mitre.org>... > Art Rice <arice@myhouse.org> writes in article <7s1r7.72$nz6.116317@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> dated Sat, 22 Sep 2001 14:43:15 GMT:O > >Well, back when that book was written there were quite a few VAX that still oM > >had the default SYSTEM, FIELD, and USER  passwords set.  And the title is  ) > >"The Cuckoo's Egg" first printed 1989.  > M > I had the dubious distinction of being the sysadmin of one of the computerseG > hacked in that book, although I was a regular user at the time of theiL > hacking (got the sysadmin job about the time the book came out).  The nameM > of my computer was changed (presumably for legal reasons) to AEROVAX in thedJ > book.  Of course since we did and still do run Decnet phase IV, the real > name was only 6 characters.  > N > The account that the author (not necessarily the hacker he was chasing) usedK > to get in was GUEST, no password.  You couldn't *do* anything significantpK > from that account, or so we thought...  From our open incoming modem pool N > you could only access a short list of machines (incuding the VAX).  From anyK > account on the VAX you could get back to any machine on the LAN (not justhF > the "secure" ones on the menu), including the outgoing modem pool.   > I > It's been 15 years, I really hope the statute of limitations on companyaL > embarrassment is up, otherwise I'm in trouble.  Needless to say, we have a; > serious firewall and pain-in-the-ass dialup security now.p > 5 > --Keith Lewis              klewis_no_spam@mitre.org@ > PGP key available.         D@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:25:36 +0400a) From: "S_Svettsov" <S_Svettsov@stinol.ru>p& Subject: Replace X-Terminal VXT-2000 ?H Message-ID: <EC0DB93033E9D411B47100A0C945C0798200D3@exchange.stinol.int>  
 Hello All.D Prompt, please, than it is possible to replace the failed X-TerminalI VXT-2000? Such type the Terminal any more do not let out. (?) Or where inh$ the Internet it is possible to look? Thank. -- Regards, Sergej Svettsov Lipetsk, Russiae   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 05:45:23 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>* Subject: Re: Replace X-Terminal VXT-2000 ?? Message-ID: <20011016124523.1214.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>   1 You should consider buting a X-Terminal software.i  # There is Reflection-X (www.wrq.com)r   And Xcursion from Compaq..   Regardsw FC, --- S_Svettsov <S_Svettsov@stinol.ru> wrote: > Hello All.4 > Prompt, please, than it is possible to replace the > failed X-Terminaln6 > VXT-2000? Such type the Terminal any more do not let > out. (?) Or where in& > the Internet it is possible to look? > Thank. > -- > Regards, Sergej Svettsov > Lipetsk, Russia0 >=20 >=20 >=20     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DdL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dd F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil. fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D3  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2001 08:51:56 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)_* Subject: Re: Replace X-Terminal VXT-2000 ?3 Message-ID: <eu7phPQummbh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   t In article <EC0DB93033E9D411B47100A0C945C0798200D3@exchange.stinol.int>, "S_Svettsov" <S_Svettsov@stinol.ru> writes: > Hello All.F > Prompt, please, than it is possible to replace the failed X-TerminalK > VXT-2000? Such type the Terminal any more do not let out. (?) Or where int& > the Internet it is possible to look? > Thank.  D    There are VT-2000 on the used market.  Many third party temrminalF    makers, such as Techtronics make cmopatable X terminals.  New VT510    may also be a way to go.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:00:35 -0000p From: sword7@speakeasy.org Subject: Re: RRD40/RRD50 specs?*/ Message-ID: <tsobrjjrhdtf7f@corp.supernews.com>   ) Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> wrote: M >   Well, look at the stuff in 4BSD. There's two sets of [T]MSCP stuff there,FH > stuff that Chris Torek did and stuff that DEC supplied. As an example,P > http://www.mit.edu/afs/athena/astaff/reference/4.3network2/sys/vax/vax/tmscp.h > says:   A Yes, also, I found similar things in Ultrix 3.1, NetBSD and 4BSD  E distributions, etc..  Without MSCP specs, there are no 4BSD, NetBSD,  F Linux, etc... on DEC systems - Only OpenVMS and Tru64 from Compaq. :-(   -- Tim Stark   --  , Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:02:11 -00000 From: sword7@speakeasy.org Subject: Re: RRD40/RRD50 specs?o/ Message-ID: <tsobuj190nvu99@corp.supernews.com>s  , Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com> wrote:B > The RRD50 has a Qbus interface, the KRQ50. It is an MSCP device.$ > I think the RRD40 is a SCSI drive.  = > Some versions (all?) of VMS will not install from an RRD50.   9 My OpenVMS v7.2 Hobbyist CD support installation from CD.i   -- Tim Stark   -- s, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2001 01:03:02 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: RRD40/RRD50 specs? - Message-ID: <877ktv5xh5.fsf@prep.synonet.com>r  4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  C >   The former is listed as a programming kit for the UDA50 itself,-< >   but the latter (QP906-GZ) is listed as HSC50 maintenance >   documentation.  7 >   Do these documents include the MSCP specifications?e  B The UDA50 doc kit included an MSCP functional spec. Some functions where missing from it though.h  E The CI was put up for ANSI or IEEE standardization as well. There wasdC a pretty detailed article on it in one of the journals at the time.r   -- m< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.>@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2001 07:01:08 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)5 Subject: Re: Scott McNealy has no respect for Alpha'sA= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110160601.3767a5c4@posting.google.com>>  r "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<JeLy7.15958$%B.2037405@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...5 > Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagev7 > news:d7791aa1.0110150531.781567@posting.google.com...5 >  > ...a > N > > why don't you wake up ... after looking at the itanium spec results anyoneN > > could see itanic was a dud ... intel had to buy alpha to be able to have aH > > "working" 64 bit platform ... alpha will live on with the intel logo
 > > on it! > M > There's really no effective way to reply to someone so clearly convinced of>M > his misconceptions.  But the vast preponderance of opinion of people almost K > certainly far better informed than you are is that Intel has no intention-K > whatsoever of doing anything with the Alpha implementation or instructionAE > set, but just wanted its engineers and some design features (and toi > eliminate it as competition).  >  > - bill  ? wrong!  they needed the compilers and some other key pieces ...r> the new itanic has to be all things to all people so some mods? will need to made to vms (port), but i guarantee the new itanicp5 will be very close to the never to be made ev8 alpha!pA otherwise, intel will never sit in a high end shop ... why do youpA think comps like cerner and the dod are going along with this ...wB because now intel can provide alpha technology cheaper than compaq@ which means cheaper boxes ... this is what i have been told from> someone high up in the vms group ... unless you think they are lying!   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:01:39 GMTd* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>5 Subject: Re: Scott McNealy has no respect for Alpha'soC Message-ID: <TJZy7.772802$NK1.69883572@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   3 Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0110160601.3767a5c4@posting.google.com...v7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message.< news:<JeLy7.15958$%B.2037405@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...7 > > Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messageh9 > > news:d7791aa1.0110150531.781567@posting.google.com...  > >- > > ...- > >-I > > > why don't you wake up ... after looking at the itanium spec resultso anyoneI > > > could see itanic was a dud ... intel had to buy alpha to be able to- have aJ > > > "working" 64 bit platform ... alpha will live on with the intel logo > > > on it! > >oL > > There's really no effective way to reply to someone so clearly convinced ofH > > his misconceptions.  But the vast preponderance of opinion of people almostC > > certainly far better informed than you are is that Intel has no 	 intention0A > > whatsoever of doing anything with the Alpha implementation orp instructioneG > > set, but just wanted its engineers and some design features (and toa! > > eliminate it as competition).1 > >i
 > > - bill > A > wrong!  they needed the compilers and some other key pieces ....  J No, they needed the compiler *expertise* to build Itanic back-ends (though/ the existing front-ends will likely be useful).p  @ > the new itanic has to be all things to all people so some modsA > will need to made to vms (port), but i guarantee the new itanic 7 > will be very close to the never to be made ev8 alpha!WC > otherwise, intel will never sit in a high end shop ... why do you0C > think comps like cerner and the dod are going along with this ...hD > because now intel can provide alpha technology cheaper than compaqB > which means cheaper boxes ... this is what i have been told from@ > someone high up in the vms group ... unless you think they are > lying!  J They are lying, and you are gullible.  And while it is possible that IntelG may want to incorporate EV8-inspired features like OOO and SMT into theeH Itanic architecture (which is not at all the same thing as rebadging andJ shipping EV8 itself), they couldn't ship such a product before 2006 at theL earliest - though they might be able to incorporate peripheral features like- EV7's on-chip glue for MP and memory by 2005.    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2001 07:25:08 -0700) From: google@mccready.com (Gary McCready)t3 Subject: Re: Secure Chat Server for VMS has arrivedk= Message-ID: <6e64ea70.0110160625.763b417f@posting.google.com>n  K Hmmm...now if only those websites would have some obvious mention of VMS...t   --Gary McCready 0 My optinions have nothing to do with my employer      ] "news.dsl.net" <hello@hello.com> wrote in message news:<tsi6015s3iu21f@corp.supernews.com>...5 > Greetings, >  > http://www.jabcast.com > 6 > Secure, stable, scalable and totally cross platform. > - > VMS chat server based on Jabber technology.v >  > ( http://www.jabber.org )t >  > Jabcast is HERE  for VMS.a >  > Cheers > 
 > Howard RyanC > Jabcast Co-Founder > howie@jabcast.com  >  > http://www.jabcast.com > - > Feel Free to contact me with any questions.a >  > 973-665-0061   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:26:17 GMTr2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)3 Subject: Re: Secure Chat Server for VMS has arrivedl1 Message-ID: <tkYy7.508$RL6.4548@news.cpqcorp.net>h  i In article <6e64ea70.0110160625.763b417f@posting.google.com>, google@mccready.com (Gary McCready) writes:hL :Hmmm...now if only those websites would have some obvious mention of VMS...  H   And if this JabCast kit is appropriate for inclusion onto the OpenVMS *   Freeware, a submission would be welcome.  ^ :"news.dsl.net" <hello@hello.com> wrote in message news:<tsi6015s3iu21f@corp.supernews.com>...
 :> Greetings,h .. :> Jabcast is HERE  for VMS. ..    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:35:50 +0000   From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com7 Subject: Slightly OT - how failed computers kill ships.p/ Message-ID: <00256AE7.0055AFE9.00@quegw01.btyp>     To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc: L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza  . Slightly OT - how failed computers kill ships.    O For those in the UK, or who have Channel 4 available via SKY there is a programfP tonight at 9:30pm called 'Going Critical' which details the series of errors andH failures [including the computer systems shutting down] which led to HMSO Coventry [of which I am an ex-stoker] being sunk by old, relatively slow planesc  with bombs during the Falklands.  I It should be compulsory viewing for all those who make decisions on usingo computers to run ships.   C If anyone's interested, you can get some information from this URL;N  C http://www.channel4.com/plus/going_critical/hms_coventry/index.html-  P And if anyone is STILL interested, let me know and I'll compare what they decide7 caused the problems with what we were told at the time.t   Cheers   Steve S-     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beL confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has beenP addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or use this transmission.  L Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee is notH intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received thisF transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.  
 Thank you.  O Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT. Registeredi0 in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.  M Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1s@ 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2001 06:52:40 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)" Subject: Re: Socket problem-URGENT< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110160552.33cd8d4@posting.google.com>  | "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com> wrote in message news:<HoIy7.169907$bY5.794575@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
 > No idea. >  > But... > 3 > >DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX Version V3.3y+ > >on a VAX 4000-400 running OpenVMS V5.5-2- > ? > Thought of upgrading to something more current and supported?d >  > Matt.a   you need to upgrade to tcpware!m   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:05:26 +0800-' From: "Kenneth" <chehon@netvigator.com>o Subject: Stop a processn0 Message-ID: <9qhp37$jq72@imsp212.netvigator.com>  K If I cannot stop the process by STOP PROCE/ID=XXX, is there any other way IoK can stop the process, just like UNIX to use kill -9 to force the process tof die?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:11:27 GMTt/ From: "James Wilkinson" <elementyl@hotmail.com>d Subject: Re: Stop a processiA Message-ID: <2TZy7.1912$KT1.501042377@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>w  ( "Kenneth" <chehon@netvigator.com> wrote:G > If I cannot stop the process by STOP PROCE/ID=XXX, is there any otheroH > way I can stop the process, just like UNIX to use kill -9 to force the processe	 > to die?   L STOP/ID is the equivalent to kill -9.  Usually if you cannot use STOP/ID theE process is unable to deallocate some resource that would clear it foraC deletion.  You will need to describe your situation to more detail.e   JamesS   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2001 03:17 CDTh' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)  Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM- Message-ID: <16OCT200103173680@gerg.tamu.edu>   * hari_cit@hotmail.com (Hariharan) writes...] }carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote in message news:<13OCT200104130800@gerg.tamu.edu>... A }> What makes you think that "NWA0:" is what you should be using?s } E }I am trying to establish a X25 link between two nodes and that's whyeB }I use the device "_NWA0:".All the "_NET:" device type are unknown }($sh dev net0/full).t } ! }For "_NWA0:",($sh dev nwa0/full)  } P }Device NWA0:, device type X.25 datalink, is online, mailbox device, device is a }    template only.  } L }I tried with "_NET:" device and I get SYSTEM-F-NOMBX after the assign call. }  }Thaks for ur suggestion.t }  }Thans & Regards,c }Hari.  E Ah. Wrong network type - from my quick look at the code I had assumeds) plain old DECnet. I have never used X.25.g   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:24:37 -0400o; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>  Subject: TL892s and AUTO_CLEANK Message-ID: <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB75004BC599E@rlghncst625.usps.gov>   3 I've got three TL892s and an expansion minilibrary.a VMS Alpha 7.2-1 
 ABS 3.1A(193)o MDMS 3.1A(350)   MRU 1.4   3 It has come to our attention that AUTO_CLEAN is not  supported on TL892s.  3 What are other ABS/MDMS users with multiple drives .% doing with respect to drive cleaning?0  ( Does anyone out there have a workaround?   TIA. ==============================* William W. Webb, EDS, c/o USPS DSSC/OSS/MS. 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616 919 874 3043  t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:07:19 -0400 > From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>" Subject: RE: TL892s and AUTO_CLEANM Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D01602469@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>    > -----Original Message-----B > From: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC [mailto:wwebb1@email.usps.gov]* > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 10:25 AM > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comr  > Subject: TL892s and AUTO_CLEAN > 5 > I've got three TL892s and an expansion minilibrary.a > VMS Alpha 7.2-1  > ABS 3.1A(193)s > MDMS 3.1A(350)  
 > MRU 1.4  > 5 > It has come to our attention that AUTO_CLEAN is notl > supported on TL892s. > 5 > What are other ABS/MDMS users with multiple drives O' > doing with respect to drive cleaning?  > * > Does anyone out there have a workaround? >  > TIA.  > ==============================, > William W. Webb, EDS, c/o USPS DSSC/OSS/MS0 > 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616 919 874 3043  F I have a TL896, and had a similiar problem of no AUTO_CLEAN supported.  J I wrote a some DCL that is by no means polished, but seems to get the job G done.  I run the below DCL every other week based on the volume of tape_& that my TL896 sees.  The DCL is below:   $!
 $ set noon $ set novero $! $ show timep $!G $! This procedure is for a TL896 and two cleaning tapes.  The cleaning  I $! tape media type CLEANING has to be created in MDMS with $ MDMS CREATE :H $! MEDIA_TYPE CLEANING, before cleaning tape volume entries can be added withG $! $ MDMS CREATE VOLUME CLN### /MEDIA_TYPE=CLEANING /STATE=ALLOCATED.  lD $! Periodically, additional cleaning tape volumes can be added with H $! $ MDMS CREATE VOLUME CLN### /MEDIA_TYPE=CLEANING /STATE=ALLOCATED, as eachF $! cleaning tape volume reaches a mount/usage count of 20.  Or if the J $! INJECT_NEW_CLEANING_TAPE.COM procedure is used, the volume entries will $! be added by it. $! $! $ MDMS_INQ_MOUNT_COUNT == 0s $ CLEANSLOT == 175 $ ALTCLEANSLOT == 174N $!L $! Check to see if tape cleaning cartridge has been used 20 times or so, and if 1I $!  so eject it, email that a new cleaning tape needs to be injected, andR$ $!  use the alternate cleaning tape. $!% $ mdms show volume /output=volist.tmpt $ open/read volist volist.tmp  $loop1:k# $ read/end_of_file=endit volist rect0 $ slot = f$extract(f$locate("SLOT",rec),999,rec) $ if slot .eqs. "SLOT 175"	 $   then a' $     cleanvolabel = f$extract(0,6,rec)n	 $   else f $     goto loop1 $ endifv $ close volist $!< $ mdms show volume 'cleanvolabel /symbols /output=volist.tmp $ delete/nolog volist.tmp;*." $ show symbol mdms_inq_mount_count# $ if mdms_inq_mount_count .ge. "20"s	 $   then l& $   robot eject slot 'cleanslot port 1/ $   mdms inventory jukebox /slots=('cleanslot) r $   write sys$output ""-H $   write sys$output "The cleaning tape in slot ''cleanslot' is spent...
 ejecting!"= $   write sys$output "Using alternate cleaning tape from slot  ''altcleanslot'."oL $   write sys$output "Will move alternate cleaning tape to slot ''cleanslot' first."lL $   write sys$output "Please as soon as possible put the next cleaning tape"  L $   write sys$output "barcode label on a new cleaning tape and place in the"  I $   write sys$output "injection port of the Vista ATL, and run the injectt new"/ $   write sys$output "cleaning tape procedure."a4 $   define/nolog sys$output new_cleaning_tape.needed $   show process $   deassign sys$outputsG $   mail new_cleaning_tape.needed back1 /Subject="Please run Inject Newf# Cleaning Tape procedure on ALAXP4" oG $   mail new_cleaning_tape.needed back2 /Subject="Please run Inject New-# Cleaning Tape procedure on ALAXP4" -G $   mail new_cleaning_tape.needed back3 /Subject="Please run Inject Newa# Cleaning Tape procedure on ALAXP4"  1 $   robot move slot 'altcleanslot slot 'cleansloto $ endifK $!" $ mdms unload drive TL896_D0 /wait$ $ robot load drive 0 slot 'cleanslot2 $ mdms_inq_mount_count == mdms_inq_mount_count + 1 $ wait 00:05:00c& $ robot unload drive 0 slot 'cleanslot< $ mdms set volume 'cleanvolabel /mount='mdms_inq_mount_count. $ mdms inventory jukebox ATL1 /slot='cleanslot $!" $ mdms unload drive TL896_D1 /wait$ $ robot load drive 1 slot 'cleanslot2 $ mdms_inq_mount_count == mdms_inq_mount_count + 1 $ wait 00:05:00e& $ robot unload drive 1 slot 'cleanslot< $ mdms set volume 'cleanvolabel /mount='mdms_inq_mount_count. $ mdms inventory jukebox ATL1 /slot='cleanslot $!  " $ mdms unload drive TL896_D2 /wait$ $ robot load drive 2 slot 'cleanslot2 $ mdms_inq_mount_count == mdms_inq_mount_count + 1 $ wait 00:05:00m& $ robot unload drive 2 slot 'cleanslot= $  mdms set volume 'cleanvolabel /mount='mdms_inq_mount_count / $  mdms inventory jukebox ATL1 /slot='cleanslot  $!" $ mdms unload drive TL896_D3 /wait$ $ robot load drive 3 slot 'cleanslot2 $ mdms_inq_mount_count == mdms_inq_mount_count + 1 $ wait 00:05:00l& $ robot unload drive 3 slot 'cleanslot< $ mdms set volume 'cleanvolabel /mount='mdms_inq_mount_count. $ mdms inventory jukebox ATL1 /slot='cleanslot $!" $ mdms unload drive TL896_D4 /wait$ $ robot load drive 4 slot 'cleanslot2 $ mdms_inq_mount_count == mdms_inq_mount_count + 1 $ wait 00:05:00s& $ robot unload drive 4 slot 'cleanslot< $ mdms set volume 'cleanvolabel /mount='mdms_inq_mount_count. $ mdms inventory jukebox ATL1 /slot='cleanslot $!" $ mdms unload drive TL896_D5 /wait$ $ robot load drive 5 slot 'cleanslot2 $ mdms_inq_mount_count == mdms_inq_mount_count + 1 $ wait 00:05:00d& $ robot unload drive 5 slot 'cleanslot< $ mdms set volume 'cleanvolabel /mount='mdms_inq_mount_count. $ mdms inventory jukebox ATL1 /slot='cleanslot $! $ exit 1 $!  $!--------Error Routines-------- $endit:c $ close volistJ $ write sys$output "There was an error in finding slot ''cleanslot' with a cleaning tape. Please re-run." $! $ exit 1 $!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:07:49 +0200m/ From: "Jan Mnnich" <moennich@data-consult.com>i Subject: user authentification/ Message-ID: <9qh0p2$9an$03$1@news.t-online.com>   	 hi there,   G i need to authenticate a vms user by writing a program that accepts the  usernameL and the password as an argument and returns 0 or 1 when the password fits or not. does anybody know how?   janl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:29:21 +0200e2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>" Subject: Re: user authentification+ Message-ID: <3BCC3631.44003318@digital.com>   * Depending on the language you plan to use:C 1  call SYS$HASH_PASSWORD with the users parameters and the enterede password< 2  get the quadword password field from the SYSUAF ($GETUAI)$ 3  compare the two quadword results.     ~Mike.   Jan Mnnich wrote: >  > hi there,b > I > i need to authenticate a vms user by writing a program that accepts the 
 > usernameN > and the password as an argument and returns 0 or 1 when the password fits or > not. > does anybody know how? >  > jana   -- 6E ---------------------------------------------------------------------.E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.a? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*sF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------t -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK------ Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 08:20:57 -0400   From: jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil" Subject: Re: user authentification0 Message-ID: <01101608205622@beast.dtsw.army.mil>  2 "Jan Mvnnich" <moennich@data-consult.com> wrote onG Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:07:49 +0200 in <9qh0p2$9an$03$1@news.t-online.com>:n  I > i need to authenticate a vms user by writing a program that accepts the F > username and the password as an argument and returns 0 or 1 when the. > password fits or not. does anybody know how?  E Here are URL's to a C and a MACRO version of PWDcheck by Arne Vajhxj.p  2 http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/misc/chkpw.mar0 http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/misc/chkpw.c  : Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com5 TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919e; 2024 West Street, Suite 300              800-810-0827 x1919e5 Annapolis, MD 21401-3556           fax   410-280-1094e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:29:11 +0100e4 From: Kevin Andreoli <kevin.andreoli@baesystems.com>" Subject: Re: user authentification. Message-ID: <3BCC2817.93DE0B48@baesystems.com>   Mike Rechtman wrote: > , > Depending on the language you plan to use:E > 1  call SYS$HASH_PASSWORD with the users parameters and the enterede
 > password> > 2  get the quadword password field from the SYSUAF ($GETUAI)& > 3  compare the two quadword results. >  Alternative view:-   1. read word from dictionary" 2. call SYS$HASH_PASSWORD as above 3. get quadword from SYSUAFn 4. compare two quadwords! 5. If quadwords different goto 1.-3 6. Success! - a VMS system account has been hacked!7  F What other reason is there for such a program?  VMS has perfectly good) authentication if it is set up correctly.6  H Isn't that what the guy in 'The Cuckoo's Egg' was doing with U**x boxen?   --   Kev  NNNN   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2001 07:39:17 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)." Subject: Re: user authentification3 Message-ID: <QCtktxcDTOVw@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  a In article <9qh0p2$9an$03$1@news.t-online.com>, "Jan Mnnich" <moennich@data-consult.com> writes:  > hi there,s > I > i need to authenticate a vms user by writing a program that accepts thec
 > usernameN > and the password as an argument and returns 0 or 1 when the password fits or > not.    That would be a bad thing to do.  @ VMS authentication depends on many other considerations, such asA whether a username has expired, time-of-day restrictions, breakin 
 evasion, etc.f  > Doing all the proper checks is quite complex.  VMS Development? has said they will make it easier in the future, but so far thesB future is not here.  Perhaps the first instance of this new futureG will be for web servers running CSWS.  Today it does what you describedoD and what I added, but it does not yet handle external authenticationD based on Microsoft.  That part supposedly is being added effect with& a forthcoming version of VMS and CSWS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:00:18 -0400@- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>J" Subject: Re: user authentification2 Message-ID: <mYXy7.41816$Z2.623710@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  A "Kevin Andreoli" <kevin.andreoli@baesystems.com> wrote in messageS( news:3BCC2817.93DE0B48@baesystems.com... > ...-H > What other reason is there for such a program?  VMS has perfectly good+ > authentication if it is set up correctly.f >...  L In a previous life I wrote a program in Fortran that accepted a password andI compared that password against the password of the user who was currentlyfJ logged in. It returned a symbol that indicated if the password was correctI or not (i.e. exactly what Jan is asking for, but I do not have the source H and that company does not have VMS now.) This was used because a certainJ mill foreman would leave his account logged in even when the floor workersI called him to the floor for emergencies. During some of these emergencies K someone would enter the office and take the menu option for "Override PuncheE Clock" and change the time that people punched in that day. My littlerI program was put into the menu system to make sure that the person runningd< the program was the same person who logged in that username.     --L "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with yourL eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long! to return."  -  Leonardo da VinciaL "When once you have tasted VMS, you will forever walk the earth knowing thatF a stable OS exists, for you have used it, and to its security you will& always long to return." - Not Leonardo   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:21:44 GMTd2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)" Subject: Re: user authentification1 Message-ID: <cgYy7.506$RL6.4409@news.cpqcorp.net>d  a In article <9qh0p2$9an$03$1@news.t-online.com>, "Jan Mnnich" <moennich@data-consult.com> writes:d  H :i need to authenticate a vms user by writing a program that accepts theF :username and the password as an argument and returns 0 or 1 when the  :password fits or not. :does anybody know how?s  I   I know ways to do this that will completely compromise system security,WJ   and I know ways to do this that will tend to avoid introducing security K   compromises.  I also know of cases where there are alternative approaches    to the problem.4  J   What approach is reasonable here depends completely on your environment !   and your specific requirements.l  G   Exactly what are you up to here, and exactly what problem do you need3H   to solve, and what version(s) of OpenVMS are in use?  Details, please?  K   The obvious approach -- hashing the password via $hash_password and then .I   comparing it to the saved (hashed) value via $getuai -- will work, but iJ   can easily introduce security problems if not handled correctly.  One ofJ   the alternative approaches that is available on recent OpenVMS releases .   involves the use of Kerberos authentication.      N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:23:22 GMT12 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)" Subject: Re: user authentification1 Message-ID: <KhYy7.507$RL6.4536@news.cpqcorp.net>e  ` In article <3BCC3631.44003318@digital.com>, Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> writes:+ :Depending on the language you plan to use:aD :1  call SYS$HASH_PASSWORD with the users parameters and the entered	 :passworde= :2  get the quadword password field from the SYSUAF ($GETUAI)n% :3  compare the two quadword results.o  '   The crackers will love this approach.i  F :---------------------------------------------------------------------F :Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.@ :Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*G :Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  tC :  "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%")F :---------------------------------------------------------------------  :-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
 :Version: 3.1u; :GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$n7 :PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@"  :------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ :    -- 0  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2001 08:38:23 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)" Subject: Re: user authentification= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110160738.50b0b256@posting.google.com>W  e "Jan M?nich" <moennich@data-consult.com> wrote in message news:<9qh0p2$9an$03$1@news.t-online.com>...4 > hi there,B > I > i need to authenticate a vms user by writing a program that accepts thea
 > usernameN > and the password as an argument and returns 0 or 1 when the password fits or > not. > does anybody know how? >  > janT  @ simple c or other app routine ... our purveyor web server has a ? dll that does just that, web server authentication thru sysuaf!a@ i believe the system call examples are somewhere in vms security documentation ...D   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:53:20 +0200-= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> $ Subject: Re: VMS & Unix connectivity) Message-ID: <3BCC11A0.35D01F32@gtech.com>2   David Lee wrote:G > I am trying to network my Alpha ES-40 running VMS 7.2 and Ultra SparcMN > running Solaris 2.6 together but not sure how to do it.  On my Alpha, I have! > both Decnet and TCP/IP running,sL > how would I set it up on these two machines so they can share their disks?   Use NFS.   Arne   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 04:46:01 -0700 (PDT)B. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>$ Subject: Re: VMS & Unix connectivity@ Message-ID: <20011016114601.92450.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>  , IS there a way to open a SMB/CIFS connection* from one OpenVMS server to a WNT machine ?  ( Like opening a drive (logical name) with! the NET USE drive \\server\share.=   Regards    FC=20E1 --- Arne Vajh=F8j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:, > David Lee wrote:5 > > I am trying to network my Alpha ES-40 running VMSA > 7.2 and Ultra Sparc 4 > > running Solaris 2.6 together but not sure how to > do it.  On my Alpha, I haver# > > both Decnet and TCP/IP running,e2 > > how would I set it up on these two machines so > they can share their disks?  >=20
 > Use NFS. >=20 > Arne     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D  F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazile fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3DA  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 07:49:16 -07002' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>P$ Subject: Re: VMS & Unix connectivity+ Message-ID: <3BCC48EC.332DC94F@caltech.edu>S   Fabio Cardoso wrote:  . > IS there a way to open a SMB/CIFS connection, > from one OpenVMS server to a WNT machine ? >  >d  G Not that I know of.  However, you can use SMBCLIENT to make an ftp like 
 connectionF and move files in either directsion (or print through the NT machine.)  The code for SMBCLIENT G is part of Samba so you could conceivably hack it up to allow a wrapper , program better control (as opposed to havingG a warpper shell push the program's button solely through stdin/stdout.)e However, it's a longE way from SMBCLIENT to effectively being able to NFS mount a SMB disk.u   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2001 08:34:33 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)$ Subject: Re: VMS & Unix connectivity= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110160734.1563c2db@posting.google.com>   ^ "David Lee" <teamosan@inet.att.co.kr> wrote in message news:<9qdvri$4j1$1@news1.kornet.net>...G > I am trying to network my Alpha ES-40 running VMS 7.2 and Ultra SparccN > running Solaris 2.6 together but not sure how to do it.  On my Alpha, I have! > both Decnet and TCP/IP running,$L > how would I set it up on these two machines so they can share their disks? >  > Thank you in advance  / can you say stream lf files with ftp or nfs ...y> i don't know about the decnet to unix product because with vms) we have no need or desire to use unix ...r? its a shame you don't have two vms boxes ... then you could use < tcpwares decnet phase IV over I/P and do simple copies whichD are much more reliable than ftp (file corruption transfer protocol)!A whats really neat is using vms zip, zipping a vms backup save setb> into a single zip file, doing a copy over decnet over i/p then? unzipping the save set ... really a time saver and allows quickI; rms indexed file/directory transfers anywhere in the world!o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:42:35 GMT # From: mats@plea.se (Mats Magnusson)s Subject: Re: VMS 5.4 supported?c Message-ID: <3bcca8f4@plea.se>  E  ZK> VMS 5.4 is no longer supported.  The cut-off for Win2K certifiedl  ZK> products was VMS 5.5-2.   Win2K ?c   How about Y2K ? :)   -- x* M.V.H. Mats Magnusson http://plea.se/~mats   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:58:50 +0200c< From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>* Subject: Re: X programming tools (UIL etc)4 Message-ID: <9qgssj$n3c0m$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>   JF Mezei wrote...LG > Are there tools to create UIL files with WISYWIG interface, or is oned> > truly expected to create UIL files with just a text editor ?  I When I did X Windows programming (in the good ol' days ;-) we used a toolm( named VUIT from DEC. It was pretty good.  < I haven't the slightest idea, however, of what became of it.   cu,    Martin -- vJ One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/? And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:12:32 +0010t% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auu* Subject: Re: X programming tools (UIL etc)5 Message-ID: <01K9KVPVNTQQ004NCF@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>a   >JF Mezei wrote...H >> Are there tools to create UIL files with WISYWIG interface, or is one? >> truly expected to create UIL files with just a text editor ?  >sJ >When I did X Windows programming (in the good ol' days ;-) we used a tool) >named VUIT from DEC. It was pretty good.m >c= >I haven't the slightest idea, however, of what became of it.b >A >cu,	 >  Martinl  N Yes, it was a loong while ago.  I've still got it on my VAX box, but I *don't # think* it was ever ported to Alpha.r  O I forget the details, and am in no hurry to re-learn.  But if you can generate  J a UID, is that portable?  I would suspect so; I assume it's only a binary 3 input file.  There are many .UIDs sitting on Alpha.    Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:19:38 +0200 < From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>* Subject: Re: X programming tools (UIL etc)4 Message-ID: <9qgu3k$n62tn$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>  ( paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote...G > I forget the details, and am in no hurry to re-learn.  But if you caneF > generate a UID, is that portable?  I would suspect so; I assume it'sC > only a binary input file.  There are many .UIDs sitting on Alpha.e  = No need to port UID files. There is an UIL compiler on Alpha.    cu,e   Martin -- rJ One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/? And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:43:00 +0010r% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au * Subject: Re: X programming tools (UIL etc)5 Message-ID: <01K9KWSN331U006GK5@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>a  ) >paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote...tH >> I forget the details, and am in no hurry to re-learn.  But if you canG >> generate a UID, is that portable?  I would suspect so; I assume it's7D >> only a binary input file.  There are many .UIDs sitting on Alpha. >-> >No need to port UID files. There is an UIL compiler on Alpha. >t >cu,	 >  Martin   L As I said before, it was a loong will ago.  Also I was not too heavily into  that side of programming.-  J On my VAX, we have a licence for VUIT, was a licence required for the UIL L compiler on the Alpha?  If so (and I don't think the full VUIT was ported), , this could have affected my bosses decision    Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:59:13 +0200@< From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>* Subject: Re: X programming tools (UIL etc)4 Message-ID: <9qh0dq$nidh1$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>  I >>> I forget the details, and am in no hurry to re-learn.  But if you canoH >>> generate a UID, is that portable?  I would suspect so; I assume it'sE >>> only a binary input file.  There are many .UIDs sitting on Alpha.w >>@ >> No need to port UID files. There is an UIL compiler on Alpha. >uG > On my VAX, we have a licence for VUIT, was a licence required for thes > UIL compiler on the Alpha?  : Nope. It's part of DECwindows nee OSF/Motif ($ UIL/MOTIF).  E Look what I've found about generating UIL files (in the online help):      ... First, youF   describe a user interface by creating a UIL module with one  of  theF   editors  available  on  VAX  VMS (such as the VAX Language-Sensitive   Editor), ...  I So there's an LSE module for UIL. Makes sense (in a non-grpahical way...)    cu,d   Martin -- uJ One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deoJ One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/? And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de Y   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:46:03 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk* Subject: Re: X programming tools (UIL etc)+ Message-ID: <9qh35b$ogl$2@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>r  s In article <9qgssj$n3c0m$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>, "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de> writes:  >JF Mezei wrote...H >> Are there tools to create UIL files with WISYWIG interface, or is one? >> truly expected to create UIL files with just a text editor ?  >rJ >When I did X Windows programming (in the good ol' days ;-) we used a tool) >named VUIT from DEC. It was pretty good.< >0= >I haven't the slightest idea, however, of what became of it.n >t  ' Part of the great DEC software selloff.tM I can't remember the name of the company who bought it but I do remember they C wanted to charge us quite a lot to use their new (renamed) version.fL Free (with DECCAMPUS) to large sum for licenses => we stopped using product.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2001 08:48:17 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e* Subject: Re: X programming tools (UIL etc)3 Message-ID: <tQVJAzy3$T6e@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  \ In article <3BCBCB8F.85CEAF9C@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:M > Are there tools to create UIL files with WISYWIG interface, or is one trulyi8 > expected to create UIL files with just a text editor ?  <    There was VUIT from DEC, then it was retiered in favor of    BuilderXcessry.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2001 05:06:40 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>) Subject: Re: [LYRIS] OpenVMS Patches List6- Message-ID: <87itdgpq8v.fsf@prep.synonet.com><  4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:  I > > Guess all the VMs engineers were off working on their resumes <sigh>.s   5 > Have you any evidence to support that snide remark?   @ They had better be bright enought to be keeping their resumes up to the minute.  E BTW, what do ZK folk use for this now days? Not Xerox Stars any more.f   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.w@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.576 ************************