1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 19 Oct 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 582       Contents: Re: A free VMS implementation? Re: A free VMS implementation? Re: DECNET ping equivalent?  Re: DECNET ping equivalent? 4 Determine IP Address of Server used by Telnet Client8 Re: Determine IP Address of Server used by Telnet Client Re: ES40 12V BULK WARN; Re: Fortran File Sharing (was: Re: writing to shared files) ; Re: Fortran File Sharing (was: Re: writing to shared files) & Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors& Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors& Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors& Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors& Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors HP To Acquire Afghanistan :-) ! Re: HP To Acquire Afghanistan :-)  It's Friday  Re: It's Friday ( Loopback plug 29-24795, details needed ?* Re: More official info on Compaq/HP merger* Re: More official info on Compaq/HP merger* Re: More official info on Compaq/HP merger) Re: New to OpenVMS - Looking for software ) Re: New to OpenVMS - Looking for software ) Re[2]: %BACKUP-E-OPENOUT, error opening ? " SMTP and POP vms 7.3 and tcpip 5.1& Re: SMTP and POP vms 7.3 and tcpip 5.1& Re: SMTP and POP vms 7.3 and tcpip 5.1; Re: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon! ; Re: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon!  VMS to NT Integration  Re: VMS to NT Integration 	 Re: VMSD2 	 Re: VMSD2  Re: VTEST on Alpha Re: VTEST on Alpha, Re: We've burned our boats say Compaq and HP+ X server and SET DISPLAY on different port?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:48:19 +0100 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation? 8 Message-ID: <m0vvstgrljfg5ecb2nibmlstven2qg353o@4ax.com>  F On 18 Oct 2001 09:09:36 -0500, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  p >In article <qogtststo1poh7bo5fnm04b3aklkjda4o8@4ax.com>, John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> writes:I >> On 17 Oct 2001 21:30:01 -0500, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 	 >> wrote:  >>  c >>>In article <9ql5de$2q2r$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: 4 >>>> In article <3BCCF601.6CC5030D@cableinet.co.uk>,; >>>>  Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> writes:  >>>> |> J >>>> |> ANyway, back to your original point, why do you think they started >>>> |> implementing >>>> |> new bits of VMS in C?  >>>> |>  >>>>  ? >>>> Maybe because it's the best language for the job??     :-)  >>> 7 >>>No, because programmers were more readily available.  >>  J >> I would maintain that you ought to hire programmers for O/S developmentD >> (and even maintenance) based on their skills at understanding theG >> fundamentals and their ability to code well in any language you gave H >> them a couple of hours to learn.  So, you look for a good programmer,B >> and then teach them (insert language of choice) when necessary. > C >That is an interesting theory, but not responsive to the question.   B To which my post was not a direct response.  I'll amplify:  a goodG salesman can sell anything, just as a good programmer can code (after a G short while, admittedly) in any language.  It's a mistake to compromise F your architectural requirements to fit a flaky economic justification.  H >The question was "Why do you think they started new bits of VMS in C?".  E That's one question earlier than the question I thought you thought I G was not responding to.  I do know how to drive my newsreader to respond  to a particular post...   H Pushed, I would probably go along with the skills availability argument,G mixed in with a slightly greater desire for portability than used to be D the case.  Bliss still remains a better tool for system programming, though.      	John  --  
 John Laird Yezerski Roper Ltd   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2001 06:13:06 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation? 3 Message-ID: <OGuRyFQ06nKz@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <m0vvstgrljfg5ecb2nibmlstven2qg353o@4ax.com>, John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> writes:   J > Pushed, I would probably go along with the skills availability argument,I > mixed in with a slightly greater desire for portability than used to be  > the case.   7 I would not agree that it is a good basis for a choice. 7 Qualified software engineers can adapt to any language. 6 I do understand Fred's comment about employees feeling7 ill-at-ease due to not working in a "popular" language.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2001 05:38:59 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)$ Subject: Re: DECNET ping equivalent?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110190438.6a8cca62@posting.google.com>   j Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message news:<3BCDD518.53DD8709@cableinet.co.uk>... > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > i > > In article <3BCDB3DD.B6EDD5FA@cableinet.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> writes:  > > >  > > > ' > > > Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com wrote:  > > >>S > > >> Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza  > > >>S > > >> Well, strictly speaking it DOES denote whether the node is reachable or not.  > > >>J > > > but does it reach out and "touch" the requested node like ping does?H > > > Maybe I am wrong and it does, can't test at the moment as I am VMS > > > deprived.  > > >    what are you talking about?   J $ mcr ncp sh kno nod shows the current state (reachable or unreachable) inI   decnet phase iv ... it also shows active links, delay, circuit and next L   node ... if you have a large network, making your node a routing node will<   give you info about the entire network ... you can then do  # $ mcr ncp sh kno nod to xxxxxx.xxx;   / to capture the output and parse accordingly ...   F > > > Anyway, you don't get packet loss figures like you do with ping. > > I > > DECnet does not support a user interface for sending isolated packets G > > like UDP.  Therefore any packet loss will be recorded in your local  > > error counters.  > H > sure, but mcr ncp show known nodes does not provide that. This was the > nit I was picking at.  > 	 > regards    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2001 05:43:34 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)$ Subject: Re: DECNET ping equivalent?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110190443.62545d0c@posting.google.com>   j Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message news:<3BCDD518.53DD8709@cableinet.co.uk>... > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > i > > In article <3BCDB3DD.B6EDD5FA@cableinet.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> writes:  > > >  > > > ' > > > Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com wrote:  > > >>S > > >> Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza  > > >>S > > >> Well, strictly speaking it DOES denote whether the node is reachable or not.  > > >>J > > > but does it reach out and "touch" the requested node like ping does?H > > > Maybe I am wrong and it does, can't test at the moment as I am VMS > > > deprived.  > > > F > > > Anyway, you don't get packet loss figures like you do with ping. > > I > > DECnet does not support a user interface for sending isolated packets G > > like UDP.  Therefore any packet loss will be recorded in your local  > > error counters.  > H > sure, but mcr ncp show known nodes does not provide that. This was the > nit I was picking at.  > 	 > regards   J i believe the gentleman wanted to find out if a decnet node was currently O available ... if you want error information thats what error logging is for ...     $ mcr ncp sh kno nod to file.ext  R is a quick way to find out the current status of a node (reachable or unreachable)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:49:20 +1000 ( From: "Oz Strider" <ozstrider@yahoo.com>= Subject: Determine IP Address of Server used by Telnet Client 3 Message-ID: <9qopld$l77$1@spacebar.ucc.usyd.edu.au>    G'Day,  K     With a VMS Server that has a primary and secondary IP address I need to @ determine, perhaps lexical function?, which IP Address was used.       Example:  (         Primary         IP   is  a.b.c.d%         Secondary    IP   is  e.f.g.h   <     How can the login script  determined whether client used         Telnet  a.b.c.d      or          Telnet  e.f.g.h    Thanking you in advance    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:57:54 +1000 3 From: Burnie Morgan <burniem.NOSPAM@ozemail.com.au> A Subject: Re: Determine IP Address of Server used by Telnet Client 8 Message-ID: <te80ttgg49hkubemo3sgmevjj89cequua0@4ax.com>  4 Can you please confirm which IP stack you are using; 			UCX/TCPIP
 			TCPware 			Multinet etc     F On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:49:20 +1000, "Oz Strider" <ozstrider@yahoo.com> wrote:   >G'Day,  > L >    With a VMS Server that has a primary and secondary IP address I need toA >determine, perhaps lexical function?, which IP Address was used.  > 
 >    Example:  > ) >        Primary         IP   is  a.b.c.d & >        Secondary    IP   is  e.f.g.h > = >    How can the login script  determined whether client used   >        Telnet  a.b.c.d      or >        Telnet  e.f.g.h >  >Thanking you in advance >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:38:57 +0100 % From: Tony Gledhill <tonyg@lsl.co.uk>  Subject: Re: ES40 12V BULK WARN ( Message-ID: <3BD05721.5010006@lsl.co.uk>   Alan Greig wrote:   H > Anyone with ES40s seen the LCD display "12V BULK WARN" appear on powerF > up? The last time we powered down one of our ES40s it booted up withH > "12V BULK WARN" on the LCD display. We called FS and they replaced theH > power supply. We just had to power down this system for 24 hours again> > prior to electrical work and on power up the system is againH > displaying the same warning. The system is operating normally and I amG > about to call field service again but am wondering if anyone else has H > seen this and could the problem be with a sensor rather than the powerH > supply itself? Anyone else seen this warning and what did FS do to fix > it?  >  > -- > Alan >   , A customer of ours had this in a hired ES40.F Swapping the PCI riser card, where the 12v sensors are located solved B it, but I remember the Compaq Engineer saying it the firmware was H incorrectly reporting a fault when it was actually o.k., but he swapped 4 the board and it cured it...after swapping psu's etc   Tony   --     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:21:48 +0200 7 From: Lothar Geyer <Lothar.Geyer@EDV-Berater-Online.de> D Subject: Re: Fortran File Sharing (was: Re: writing to shared files)5 Message-ID: <3BCFC67C.9A228EFF@EDV-Berater-Online.de>    Hoff Hoffman schrieb:  > q > In article <3BCDD87D.71363839@EDV-Berater-Online.de>, Lothar Geyer <Lothar.Geyer@EDV-Berater-Online.de> writes:  > :Syltrem schrieb:  > :>; > :> You must do a $FLUSH to have the data written to disk.  > : + > :And how to do that in a FORTRAN program?  > E >   You will have some trouble with this use unless you take over all H >   management of the I/O channel.  (A $flush is among the least harmfulG >   things you can do behind an application or a library that thinks it & >   is managing the channel, however.) > H >   RMS is smart enough to keep track of the stuff in the caches withoutE >   needing an explicit $flush, assuming the application is set up to E >   permit sharing.  $flush comes into play when you want to have the I >   data further out toward the actual storage media -- given the caching K >   throughout the I/O system, $flush just gets the data out of the OpenVMS  >   caches.  > D >   Central to what you want to do, you will want to specify the RMSG >   FAB$B_SHR option to permit other accessors, or you will want to use 5 >   the language equivalent available within Fortran.   F I did so. I used the SHARED option in the FORTRAN OPEN statement and IH used the USEROPEN routine and set FAB$B_SHR to FAB$V_SHRGET. Neither didB work as I want. I can open the file from another process using DCL= "open/read/shared" and read the records. However, the command , "type/tail/contin" doesn't display anything.   > F >   The FAQ section "PROG19. How can I open a file for shared access?"D >   will point you to topic (2867) in the Ask The Wizard area, whichG >   shows how to open a file for shared access using RMS from C -- this I >   example shows the integrated keywords for C, akin to what can be done < >   using Fortran language keywords.  Also see topic (2078). > P > :> "Lothar Geyer" <Lothar.Geyer@EDV-Berater-Online.de> a crit dans le message5 > :> news: 3BCDC4F1.95EF58F3@EDV-Berater-Online.de... L > :> > With DCL there is a command SET OUTPUT_RATE. I use this with detachedI > :> > processes to look continuously at output from the program running.  > :> >J > :> > I tried to get the same effect with log files directly written by aD > :> > program developped in FORTRAN. However, I was not successful. > G >   "Not successful" is ambiguous, and could indicate most any failure. H >   Please purge all isolated use of this phrase (and its close relativeH >   "doesn't work") from your vocabulary.  Thanks!  With the addition ofF >   details, of course, this and similar phrases can be permitted. :-)  < Sorry for that. I am a German - and I was lazy at school ;-)   > ) > :> > I used OPEN (USEROPEN=function)...  > F >   Which means you take full control of the open.  I expect there areD >   some Fortran language keywords for file sharing available on theG >   open, check the Fortran user documentation.  (In fact, I know there H >   are.  I just don't recall the specifics of the Fortran OPEN syntax.) > H > :> >                         ... and tried several options in the FAB. > F >   You will want to use either native Fortran I/O or you will want toE >   use Fortran (or other language calls) to RMS I/O.  (I know that C C >   does not necessarily behave well when you try to access the FAB F >   and RAB underneath the C library file I/O calls, though C is quiteE >   happy to allow you to manage your own FAB and RAB and RMS I/O...)  > F > :> > Does anyone know which bits have to be set in which FAB fields? > ) >   The FAB$B_SHR setting, most commonly.   
 See above.   Lothar Geyer   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 02:56:34 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> D Subject: Re: Fortran File Sharing (was: Re: writing to shared files), Message-ID: <3BCFCEA1.19B7B684@videotron.ca>   Lothar Geyer wrote: H > I did so. I used the SHARED option in the FORTRAN OPEN statement and IJ > used the USEROPEN routine and set FAB$B_SHR to FAB$V_SHRGET. Neither didD > work as I want. I can open the file from another process using DCL? > "open/read/shared" and read the records. However, the command . > "type/tail/contin" doesn't display anything.  I for what it is worth, from c, to have "dynamic" log files you can look at 4 while your program is running, I used the following:  ; fopen(filename,"w","ctx=rec","shr=get","rfm=var","rat=cr");   K not sure if all of them are needed, but the ctx=rec (record access mode) is L needed from what I had read to make the sharing work properly. I am not sureN how this translates to fortran though. But just the sharing wasn't enough with9 C, so I suysect it may not be enough with fortran either.    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Oct 2001 13:32:23 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) / Subject: Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors , Message-ID: <9qpa17$1pc4$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  > In article <_kHz7.131663$vq.29517912@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,7  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  |>  M |> Smiles aside, you have a valid point... chances are good that CPQ (or most L |> any firm) woulda paid more attention to advice that it actually paid for!  H Yes, but frequently when you pay someone for their advice they do littleG more than tell you what you wanted to hear anyway.  Something about not   being the bearer of bad tidings.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:55:40 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>/ Subject: Re: Higher prices for Alpha processorsu> Message-ID: <M9Xz7.132905$vq.30267061@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message& news:9qpa17$1pc4$1@info.cs.uofs.edu...@ > In article <_kHz7.131663$vq.29517912@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,9 >  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  > |>J > |> Smiles aside, you have a valid point... chances are good that CPQ (or mostI > |> any firm) woulda paid more attention to advice that it actually paid  for! > J > Yes, but frequently when you pay someone for their advice they do littleI > more than tell you what you wanted to hear anyway.  Something about note" > being the bearer of bad tidings. >    Another Good Point!o  L Ironically or otherwise, back in the mid-90's I worked for a startup analystH firm. We were retained by DEC to do a study on What To Do About VMS. OurI findings were A) reconsider a VMS port (a la Emerald), B) position VMS asMI the best server OS on the planet, and C) eschew OS political correctness,wC wherein it was deemed "inappropriate" to say anything that might bem& "hurtful" to a sister OS like Windoze.  L We realized that "A" didn't have a chance, but "B" and "C" sure as hell madeB sense. Not to the marketing and strategy weenies at DEC, though...  G Another analyst firm (Gartner) was retained to do a parallel study. DEC-K liked Gartner's conclusion so much that they bought the analyst. And that's : where Wes Melling and the Risky Affinity Scheme came from.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:59:02 -040035 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>S/ Subject: Re: Higher prices for Alpha processorsl1 Message-ID: <w6Yz7.698$RL6.6824@news.cpqcorp.net>n  ! Bob Ceculski wrote in message ...o >>G >we will not move from alpha vms to itanic vms if the following is trueK >... >  >>2 >but the itanium can not replace the alpha at all:E >- what is with the hardware failure detection mechanism of the alphaIF >cpu? a defective memory never crashes a machine - itanium will do so. >e    8 Excuse me?  What in the heck are you trying to say here?  H The only "detectable" CPU "failure" that I know of is correctable bcacheL errors, which indicate a failing bcache.  Any error that causes a CPU to notJ work correctly, or to simply stop executing, are generally catestrophic onI Alpha - or on Itanium.  Even if the CPU failure doesn't take down or hangiK the entire system, the entire system MUST be brought down, because you havesJ no way of knowing what damage the failed CPU may be doing (like corrupting things).  K Defective memory WILL crash a system if it is an uncorrectable memory erroroK on VAX, and on Alpha, and on Itanium.  The ONLY case where this is not true K is the VAX 9000, which has special VMS logic to try and run down the failedoE address, and see if it can simply shoot a process, rather than crash.m  J Alpha systems with ECC memory survive single bit errors.  So will Itanium.K You can build a Alpha system or a Itanium system with Parity memory insteadtJ of ECC - in which case the system will crash on a simgle bit error.  It isA pretty unlikely you will ever see this on any server from Compaq.o  L In fact, memory systems are being designed with Raid-5 technology to surviveK multi-bit errors - somethig needed when you see max memory sizes reaching >t 1TB.   >hG >itanic vms better be as reliable as alpha vms or forget it ... we wille >not* >run on a blue screen platform like nt ...   It will be.b  F The main reasons for system unreliability do NOT involve the CPU chip.  * IMHO, the leading causes of unreliability:  (     1) System, driver and application SW     2) Unreliable devices1     3) Cheap componentse  G #1 is the software, which *can* include in the case of a "PC" the BIOS. # Itanium is NOT a BIOS based system.m  L I see absolutely NO reason to believe that Itanium based servers from CompaqJ running OpenVMS will have any less quality or reliability than Alpha based servers.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2001 18:08:06 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> / Subject: Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors H Message-ID: <y4wv1r1ul5.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  7 "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:n  M > Defective memory WILL crash a system if it is an uncorrectable memory error9M > on VAX, and on Alpha, and on Itanium.  The ONLY case where this is not true:M > is the VAX 9000, which has special VMS logic to try and run down the failedgG > address, and see if it can simply shoot a process, rather than crash.e  L Strange. I distinctly remember reading the machine check handler at the timeI of the 780 and 8600, and it would take things like previous mode and pagelK owner mode into consideration before deciding whether to shoot a process orm itself.    	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:36:20 -0400e5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>S/ Subject: Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors 1 Message-ID: <tFYz7.700$RL6.6683@news.cpqcorp.net>e  G It is "possible" that the 8600 might have had that code, but the 780 istL highly unlikely.  The work happened around the time the 9000 was being done,I and sadly the engineer doing the work has since passed away.  The problemhI with the code that does it, was that it took a lot of time to try and pinaI down memory usage such that we could "guess" that it was "only" a processgF page, and kill the process - of course, the process might be somethingH *really* important, and you never know when some oddball thing has a PFN cached away someplace.  L On Alpha, in any case, _any_ double bit error will crash the system.  SingleF bit errors are ECC corrected, and logged.  On a future Alpha platform,K memory RAID will be an option, which will allow multi-bit error correction.     $ Jan Vorbrueggen wrote in message ...8 >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes: > H >> Defective memory WILL crash a system if it is an uncorrectable memory errortI >> on VAX, and on Alpha, and on Itanium.  The ONLY case where this is not: trueG >> is the VAX 9000, which has special VMS logic to try and run down theg failedH >> address, and see if it can simply shoot a process, rather than crash. >DH >Strange. I distinctly remember reading the machine check handler at the timeJ >of the 780 and 8600, and it would take things like previous mode and pageL >owner mode into consideration before deciding whether to shoot a process or >itself. >C > Jan    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Oct 2001 07:33:28 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) & Subject: HP To Acquire Afghanistan :-)' Message-ID: <9qol08$mbl$1@joe.rice.edu>c  Keywords: hp,acquire,afghanistan    From the Yahoo HWP message board      HP to aquire Afghanistana&    by: bearabull2000 10/17/01 08:47 am    Msg: 70884 of 70945  G    Per HP CEO Carly Fiornia "We'll since Comdisco, and Price Waterhouset@    deceived me by not accepting my lowball offer's, and everyone@    anticipates our planned Compaq acquisition, we decided to buyG    something that would be cost effective, with little competition, andeE    would promote our multicultural environment. We will be issuing HPd@    stock to fund this purchase. Since this doesnt really cost usE    anything, just like the Compaq acquisition, we expect this deal toeD    increase shareholder value." Carly also stated "We do expect someF    cultural issues to arise when we integrate the Taliban with some HPI    entities. But we don't expect this to be any more challenging than the1    Compaq assimilation".  ?    Chimed in Dick Hackborn "We feel that due to US bombing, andb?    subsequent elimination of any infrastructure in the country,.F    Afghanistan is a prime market for our wireless products, and we can@    always sell them all those PC's we can't sell anywhere else".   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:22:31 -0400a  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>* Subject: Re: HP To Acquire Afghanistan :-)5 Message-ID: <1011019081450.6516A-100000@Ives.egh.com>.  # On 19 Oct 2001, Jerry Leslie wrote:   " > From the Yahoo HWP message board >  >    HP to aquire Afghanistan1( >    by: bearabull2000 10/17/01 08:47 am >    Msg: 70884 of 70945 > I >    Per HP CEO Carly Fiornia "We'll since Comdisco, and Price Waterhouse B >    deceived me by not accepting my lowball offer's, and everyone  % Plea'se don't waste ap'ost''ro'phe's.s   -- 	 John Santos	A Internation Institute for Punctuation Preservation (www.iipp.org)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:07:13 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: It's Friday) Message-ID: <3BD04FB1.49B6B322@127.0.0.1>I  " Well in most places on the planet.  G For vague amusement, my 4000 VAX VMS system at home has another use, onP/ it sits a jet printer throwing forth A4 sheets.   H The airflow / intakes around the drive bays just capture the page before" it hits the deck. Who needs a dog?  G Kinda reminds me of another story from a friend, I can't guarantee it'sc3 validity, but I've no reason to suspect it's wrong.l  F Friend of mine went for a VMS admin job at a publisher. Interview wentG really well, very well, getting on very well with the interviewer quitel informally.   A Anyway, our fearless hero says "so where is the VMS system them?"E   "You've got your feet on it."L   ...He got the job. --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot como   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:04:14 -0700 (PDT)e. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: Re: It's Friday@ Message-ID: <20011019170414.52772.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>  " Today is Friday in S.America too !+ My Alphaserver 1000 at home still beside myr2 drawers and I didnt have time to turn it on and=206 clean it...put some boards and install my hoobist kit.  - Do you have wife, children, mother, dogs ????  Dont you go out to the movie ?4 Dont you go out to walk in the park or ride a bike ?  $ My God.... you are VMS addicted !=20   Fabio       - --- Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:h$ > Well in most places on the planet. >=205 > For vague amusement, my 4000 VAX VMS system at homeo > has another use, on-1 > it sits a jet printer throwing forth A4 sheets.1 >=202 > The airflow / intakes around the drive bays just > capture the page beforer$ > it hits the deck. Who needs a dog? >=204 > Kinda reminds me of another story from a friend, I > can't guarantee it's5 > validity, but I've no reason to suspect it's wrong.e >=20. > Friend of mine went for a VMS admin job at a > publisher. Interview wentl3 > really well, very well, getting on very well withv > the interviewer quitek > informally.=20 >=205 > Anyway, our fearless hero says "so where is the VMSo > system them?"h >=20 > "You've got your feet on it."a >=20 > ...He got the job. > --=20s* > Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences > nclews at csc dot comt     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dk F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:11:20 +0200w) From: Bernhard Wulf <WULF@DECUS.DECUS.DE>n1 Subject: Loopback plug 29-24795, details needed ? * Message-ID: <3BD00A58.299B@DECUS.DECUS.DE>  5 Looking for the connection details internally in the  8 29-24795 loopback plug, but also interested in all other loopback wiring information.   Danke / thanks.k      Bernhard   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2001 04:31:54 -0700) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)t3 Subject: Re: More official info on Compaq/HP merger = Message-ID: <55f85d77.0110190331.179d9bcf@posting.google.com>s  e Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<bnvqst4nhgo5524ckm19rbjhmg3uku8rih@4ax.com>...r > H > Personally I'm am not happy at all that the new company want to changeF > the face of enterprise computing by driving windows 2000 higher into  D The HP site smells *really bad* right now: "the future of computing:F hp and windows xp" all in lower case no less, complete with picture ofG an empty field, sky and clouds (and I'm sure there is a meaning in that_ picture for all of us).a  G I just simply went to search for the HP C2247 disk drive jumper info soiK that I can shove one into my 2nd Alpha to get a mixed version cluster goingrL (test/work on some SW that needs an earlier OpenVMS version). I don't recallG wishing to be assaulted by their web site. Yuk... spit... cough... Now i0 I'm feeling sick for the rest of the evening :-(  G There is bad taste and then there is bad taste - that really pushes theT bounds.i   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:59:28 -0700 (PDT)t. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>3 Subject: Re: More official info on Compaq/HP mergerS? Message-ID: <20011019115928.4874.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>f  3 I really would like to have a preview of the futureg! HP site after Compaq acquisition.l   Including www.openvms.hp.com  0 And mainly the use of HP devices in Alpha and=20( Itanium systems. May be, the PA-RISC can2 use some of the Compaq storage hardware like HSG805 too... but I dont have doubts that in the future - if.3 this merger happen - we will have Alphaservers withI5 HP Fibre Channel, HP Gigabit Ethernet, HP Ultra SCSI,a0 HP DVDs, CD-ROMs, and etc .... may be the HP Lan( Console (GSP) but this is other story...     REgardsA   FC=20n    . --- Patrick Young <P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU> wrote:2 > Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message6 > news:<bnvqst4nhgo5524ckm19rbjhmg3uku8rih@4ax.com>... > >=203 > > Personally I'm am not happy at all that the new  > company want to change/ > > the face of enterprise computing by driving- > windows 2000 higher into >=201 > The HP site smells *really bad* right now: "the< > future of computing:/ > hp and windows xp" all in lower case no less,e > complete with picture of4 > an empty field, sky and clouds (and I'm sure there > is a meaning in that > picture for all of us).n >=204 > I just simply went to search for the HP C2247 disk > drive jumper info so1 > that I can shove one into my 2nd Alpha to get aa > mixed version cluster goingo5 > (test/work on some SW that needs an earlier OpenVMSd > version). I don't recall3 > wishing to be assaulted by their web site. Yuk...h > spit... cough... Now=20h2 > I'm feeling sick for the rest of the evening :-( >=202 > There is bad taste and then there is bad taste - > that really pushes the	 > bounds."     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DeL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dh F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazils fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Do  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:34:53 GMT.3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>t3 Subject: Re: More official info on Compaq/HP mergerh/ Message-ID: <3BD04787.9F687216@cableinet.co.uk>d   Alan Greig wrote:o >  > Tim Llewellyn wrote: > K > > Only VMS contract in Bristol so far this month is porting a Fortran appy > > to hpux. > >b > T > Used to be a lot of VMS in Bristol too. I did some work for the RAC when they wereS > in the Spectrum building (think that was its name) about ten years ago. The RAC's J > membership systems and break-down response systems were all once on VMS. >   E Thanks for the feedback Alan. RAC out to Almonsbury in a big tower atd the M4/M5 intersection,aG some years back, I think I remember almost going for an interview there 	 for Tru64-0 in 96 but I took another job before it happened.  = Royal Bank of SCotland moved all their boxes back to SCotlande apparently,R  K > We might just have some contract work coming up soon in various VMS areasyT > including Fortran strangely enough.  Depends on the outcome of some discussions at@ > an upcoming corporate IT meeting we're hosting in a few weeks.  D OK, I am chasing a couple of things at the moment but keep in touch.   regardsi   >    -- t Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  u  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of r! my employers or service provider.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:04:09 +1000m/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> 2 Subject: Re: New to OpenVMS - Looking for software0 Message-ID: <w9Rz7.319$G%4.20961@ozemail.com.au>  
 <all snipped>P& they only wanted you to use lower case Phil   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Oct 2001 06:56:35 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)n2 Subject: Re: New to OpenVMS - Looking for software/ Message-ID: <9qoir3$4u$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>t  W In article <3BCFA969.5080604@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:y >Bob Ceculski wrote: >r` >> "Rodolfo Segleau" <segleaur@wwc.com> wrote in message news:<web-835604@mx1.relaypoint.net>... >> s: >>>I've been on this list for a short while. I'm usually a= >>>Linux/Tru64 user looking to learn OpenVMS (I guess some ofe; >>>you would say I've seen the light?). I've always learned = >>>OSes through implementations of some sort and I have endedn9 >>>up with an AlphaServer 800 (really a 3305, but I can't-< >>>imagine running NT on it), so in short I'm looking for an= >>>IMAP server implementation that's affordable (read: free).R? >>>Granted I haven't gone through all of the freeware CD, but I66 >>>didn't see one that I recognized right off the bad.< >>>www.imap.org doesn't report a product (free or otherwise) >>>that can run IMAP. > >>>I want to tranfser the control of my domain to this box and5 >>>tie in email also to this server. Any suggestions?i >>>  >>>Cheers, c >>> 
 >>>Rodolfo >>>n >> cG >> yes, tcpware tcp/ip stack for vms offers a terrific imap4 server ...eF >> and the alphaserver 800 makes a perfect mail or web server and is aI >> very flexible and reliable piece of hardware ... unfortunately tcpware.I >> is not free but is not that expensive either, and is the best ip stackc& >> for vms hands down ... more info at >>   >> www.process.com > I >Note that if you're doing this on your own, ie; non-commercial, Process yF >Software participates in the VMS hobbyist program, and you can get a # >free hobbyist license for TCPware.   < The same is true for Multinet (again from Process Software).   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanno  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:34:14 -0400o  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com2 Subject: Re[2]: %BACKUP-E-OPENOUT, error opening ?4 Message-ID: <C2256AEA.004B1CCC.00@jklh21.valmet.com>   Just to follow up,A This batch was edited yesterday to surround the backup statementsoB with SET NOON/SET ON so it would not exit if the error reoccurred,2 and of course the command executed without errors. So it must have been gremlins.         Norm Raphael 10/18/2001 12:27 PMe   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comi cc:n0 Subject:  Re: %BACKUP-E-OPENOUT, error opening ?                      4 Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com on 10/18/2001 11:45:46 AM  , Please respond to Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comN cc:s0 Subject:  Re: %BACKUP-E-OPENOUT, error opening ?        N > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza >  >-K > Well I can't offer a definitive reason for failure, as there isn't enoughb > information,   What more would you want?i  C > but a couple of simple things to check would be firstly, does the- > file exist [CS.DAT]l  F The input exists (the error was opening output) and the old output was deleted above in the log.   . > or is it open by another process or similar? >u  > Not open (As an aside, it happened at 3:12:57 in the morning).  P > What happens when you manually try to backup the file [outside this procedure]( > and what happens if you COPY the file?   Manual backup worked fine. >hO > As an aside, I might have expected to see a secondary error message after them > OPENOUT one.  , I agree.  Does BACKUP provide the secondary?   >a > Cheers >e  7 The question remains, Can anyone explain what is wrong?o   -Normn   > Steve Spires >p      4 norm.raphael@jamesbury.com on 10/18/2001 01:39:29 PM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)@A From:      norm.raphael@jamesbury.com, 18 October 2001, 1:39 p.m.   " %BACKUP-E-OPENOUT, error opening ?            7 We just moved this from a VAX running V6.2 to an Alpha.cJ The first backup command succeeds, but the second (syntax the same) fails.! Can anyone explain what is wrong?h   $ show system/noprocessaJ OpenVMS V7.1-2  on node NODEX  18-OCT-2001 09:25:17.98  Uptime  4 19:28:07 $ show logical csdat$r4    "CSDAT$" = "JAM315:[COSTDATA]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) $ show logical csbck$ 3    "CSBCK$" = "JAM350:[COSTBCK]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  $ show device jam350  P Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntP  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntP $1$DUA350:    (FDDI03)  Mounted              0  JAM350         1606895     6   4 $ type csdlyupd.logi> %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of CSLIB$ has been superseded $     !o: $     !---------------------------------------------------8 $     ! Copy following files to a directory that will be9 $     ! backed up to tape using the tape backup procedure>: $     !--------------------------------------------------- $     !o0 $  set prot=(o:rwed) csbck$:cd.dat,csbck$:cs.dat+ $  delete/log csbck$:cd.dat;,csbck$:cs.dat;a? %DELETE-I-FILDEL, JAM350:[COSTBCK]CD.DAT;1 deleted (470 blocks)sB %DELETE-I-FILDEL, JAM350:[COSTBCK]CS.DAT;1 deleted (124270 blocks)0 %DELETE-I-TOTAL, 2 files deleted (124740 blocks) $     !  $  bac:==backup/logm $     !a$ $  bac csdat$:cd.dat; csbck$:cd.dat;3 %BACKUP-S-CREATED, created JAM350:[COSTBCK]CD.DAT;1 $ $  bac csdat$:cs.dat; csbck$:cs.dat;B %BACKUP-E-OPENOUT, error opening JAM350:[COSTBCK]CS.DAT; as output8   CS_TECHNICAL job terminated at 18-OCT-2001 03:12:57.07     Accounting information:.O   Buffered I/O count:                204      Peak working set size:      10416 O   Direct I/O count:                 2691      Peak virtual size:         1822880O   Page faults:                       922      Mounted volumes:                0rO   Charged CPU time:        0 00:00:00.30      Elapsed time:       0 00:00:23.89c $t $ help/message openout  .  OPENOUT,  error opening 'file-name' as output  &   Facility:     BACKUP, Backup Utility  I   Explanation:  The Backup utility cannot open the specified output file.g  M   User Action:  Determine why the file cannot be opened and repeat the backupn                 operation.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:27:07 +0200o' From: "Steven" <sthompson@accessnet.es>s+ Subject: SMTP and POP vms 7.3 and tcpip 5.1i( Message-ID: <3bd02a39_3@news.arrakis.es>   Hello groupnF I've set up vms 7.3 and tcpip 5.1 to provide an Internet mail service.J (5.1 according to the book has interesting possibilities on blocking SPAM)  = Almost everything works fine... TELNETs FTPs NTPs DNS  etc...m+ (Theres' always something that goes wrong!)nE The server receives mails from the internet  and delivers them to the-K several VMS users I have active. Mails can be read logging on as a VMS user J or from a PC using E.g. "Outlook" configured to read the mail from the VMS users account.  I What I cannot do is SEND a mail anywhere on the net from a PC on the same / LAN as the Alpha or externally on the Internet.o I get...K Protocol: SMTP, Server Reply: '550 That sender address is unresolvable into5L a host name or MX domain.', Port: 25, Security (SSL): No, Server Error: 550, Error Number: 0x800CCC78.   J My Alpha is the only MX for it's domain as it's not a critical service, soE using the "$ TCPIP SET MX" command doesn't seem to make much sense...sH I've varied the logical TCPIP$SMTP_MX_IF_NOALTGATE true or false with no change on the result.06 DNS as a resolver or a Master doesn't change anything!  L The domain is registered and the ISP allows me to make my own DNS entries onI his servers. I have a MX entry on his server which points to my firewall.t  C Happy weekend, I'll be back Wednesday or Thursday should anybody bei. enthusiastic enough to ask me a question or 2!   Regards    Steven Thompson    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:56:15 +0200I- From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>e/ Subject: Re: SMTP and POP vms 7.3 and tcpip 5.1n3 Message-ID: <3BD04D1F.6D138A31@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>   
 Steven wrote:  > 
 > Hello grouprH > I've set up vms 7.3 and tcpip 5.1 to provide an Internet mail service.L > (5.1 according to the book has interesting possibilities on blocking SPAM) > ? > Almost everything works fine... TELNETs FTPs NTPs DNS  etc...s- > (Theres' always something that goes wrong!)-G > The server receives mails from the internet  and delivers them to theaM > several VMS users I have active. Mails can be read logging on as a VMS user1L > or from a PC using E.g. "Outlook" configured to read the mail from the VMS > users account. > K > What I cannot do is SEND a mail anywhere on the net from a PC on the same=1 > LAN as the Alpha or externally on the Internet.s
 > I get...M > Protocol: SMTP, Server Reply: '550 That sender address is unresolvable intooN > a host name or MX domain.', Port: 25, Security (SSL): No, Server Error: 550, > Error Number: 0x800CCC78.- > L > My Alpha is the only MX for it's domain as it's not a critical service, soG > using the "$ TCPIP SET MX" command doesn't seem to make much sense...tJ > I've varied the logical TCPIP$SMTP_MX_IF_NOALTGATE true or false with no > change on the result.d8 > DNS as a resolver or a Master doesn't change anything! > N > The domain is registered and the ISP allows me to make my own DNS entries onK > his servers. I have a MX entry on his server which points to my firewall.w > E > Happy weekend, I'll be back Wednesday or Thursday should anybody beI0 > enthusiastic enough to ask me a question or 2! >  If you typev $tcpip show conf smtptF what does it tell about the "options" is it RELAY or NORELAY. ProbablyF NORELAY, which means that remote machines, like your Pc's, cannot send mail via your VMS-system.              Jouk   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:27:51 +0200D' From: "Steven" <sthompson@accessnet.es>D/ Subject: Re: SMTP and POP vms 7.3 and tcpip 5.1=( Message-ID: <3bd0381b_2@news.arrakis.es>   Hi Jouk   L The RELAY switch was the obvious point to mention and I didn't, sorry! It is a RELAY.A The only way to block relays is then with the SMTP.CONFIG file..._  - However, I don't get a SPAMMING type error...a   VMS gives me this error... $n8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-OCT-2001 16:17:01.36  %%%%%%%%%%%& Message from user TCPIP$SMTP on MYNODEH TCPIP-W-SMTP_UNRSLVMF, MAIL FROM:< <someone@somewhere>> has unresolvable domain  H (someone@somewhere equates to a valid VMS user on the registered domain)- Again the SMTP CONFIGURATION maybe has a cluee   SMTP ConfigurationJ                                                                    OptionsJ Initial interval:   0 00:30:00.00       Address_max:    16       EIGHT_BITF Retry interval:     0 01:00:00.00       Hop_count_max:  16       RELAYL Maximum interval:   3 00:00:00.00                                TOP_HEADERS  G Timeout             Initial       Mail    Receipt       Data  Terminate G   Send:                   5          5          5          3         10e   Receive:                5a   Alternate gateway:  not definedn General gateway:    not definedu  ( Substitute domain:  HIDDEN, MYDOMAIN.COM  Zone:               MYDOMAIN.COM   Postmaster:         TCPIP$SMTPC Log file:           SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG   0 Generic queue       Queues   Participating nodes  # TCPIP$SMTP_MYNODE_00   1     MYNODEl TCPIP>@ ----------------------------------------------------------------  @ "Jouk Jansen" <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> escribi en el mensaje- news:3BD04D1F.6D138A31@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl...h > Steven wrote:e > >n > > Hello groupoJ > > I've set up vms 7.3 and tcpip 5.1 to provide an Internet mail service.H > > (5.1 according to the book has interesting possibilities on blocking SPAM)a > >eA > > Almost everything works fine... TELNETs FTPs NTPs DNS  etc...-/ > > (Theres' always something that goes wrong!)0I > > The server receives mails from the internet  and delivers them to thecJ > > several VMS users I have active. Mails can be read logging on as a VMS userJ > > or from a PC using E.g. "Outlook" configured to read the mail from the VMSt > > users account. > >qH > > What I cannot do is SEND a mail anywhere on the net from a PC on the same3 > > LAN as the Alpha or externally on the Internet.I > > I get...J > > Protocol: SMTP, Server Reply: '550 That sender address is unresolvable intoK > > a host name or MX domain.', Port: 25, Security (SSL): No, Server Error:F 550, > > Error Number: 0x800CCC78.  > > K > > My Alpha is the only MX for it's domain as it's not a critical service,h soI > > using the "$ TCPIP SET MX" command doesn't seem to make much sense...sL > > I've varied the logical TCPIP$SMTP_MX_IF_NOALTGATE true or false with no > > change on the result.u: > > DNS as a resolver or a Master doesn't change anything! > >lE > > The domain is registered and the ISP allows me to make my own DNSm
 entries onC > > his servers. I have a MX entry on his server which points to myy	 firewall.  > >"G > > Happy weekend, I'll be back Wednesday or Thursday should anybody bee2 > > enthusiastic enough to ask me a question or 2! > >n
 > If you type' > $tcpip show conf smtpiH > what does it tell about the "options" is it RELAY or NORELAY. ProbablyH > NORELAY, which means that remote machines, like your Pc's, cannot send > mail via your VMS-system.  >e >           Jouk   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:45:39 GMT)= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)YD Subject: Re: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon!0 Message-ID: <00A03BF2.20CC09B4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  h In article <d7791aa1.0110181815.133047fb@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:s >"Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> wrote in message news:<hiDz7.52763$%B.4364996@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>... = >> "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message=0 >> news:5ILoCcc5EahQ@eisner.encompasserve.org...B >> > In article <d7791aa1.0110180701.4a1b3757@posting.google.com>,. >>  bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:2 >> > > ERICOM, THE COMPANY THAT SUPPORTS POWERTERM1 >> > > FOR PATHWORKS IS NOW PORTING THE FOLLOWING1 >> > > PRODUCTSr >> i	 >> [snip]  >> l8 >> > But how many people want a VT05 terminal emulator ? >> CC >> Was that the last terminal from DEC that didn't have lowercase ?  >> G	 >> -Andy-o > H >its not a vt emulator and i always work in caps and forget to turn themD >off on my pc on occasion ... true vt users work in caps ... i guess( >that eliminates you from that group ...  D If you always work in caps, why is your above message all lowercase?  D True VT users will still get caps when applying the [SHIFT] with theC [CAPS LOCK] engaged.  Too bad that the same cannot be said for thateD piece of shit known as a the PC keyboard attached to the majority of PCs can't do the same.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             jJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesg   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:07:16 GMTp* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>D Subject: Re: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon!@ Message-ID: <osWz7.69732$%B.5372982@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0110181815.133047fb@posting.google.com...r > its not a vt emulatoro  8 It looks something like a traditional 'screen scaper' of0 which there are already other examples that work0 within web browsers (though why people think web0 browsers make good application interfaces/shells4 is beyond me..... considering how unstable most (IE) web browsers are already)y  3 > and i always work in caps and forget to turn them-= > off on my pc on occasion ... true vt users work in caps ....1 > i guess that eliminates you from that group ...p  : That's such an odd comment in response to my question.....9 I graduated from thinking a terminal session was the ONLYc8 way to use VMS a long time ago.... and in my 16 years of: using VMS I've never lived in an all uppercase world. This5 is VMS.... since when does case matter unless you are  doing data entry ?   :-)....    -Andy-   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2001 02:44:26 -0700/ From: ratkinson@tbs-ltd.co.uk (Robert Atkinson)l Subject: VMS to NT Integration= Message-ID: <ee8fff65.0110190144.75d6866b@posting.google.com>>  C I'm sure this topic has been covered before, but can seomone pleasenA point me in the right direction for mounting an NT drive on a VMSe	 platform.h   Thanks, Rob.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 02:59:22 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>" Subject: Re: VMS to NT Integration@ Message-ID: <20011019095922.80797.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>   You should use NFS to do that.  - I remeber I used to run Netmanage's NFS unders NT and it worked fine.   Regards>   FC=20c4 --- Robert Atkinson <ratkinson@tbs-ltd.co.uk> wrote:6 > I'm sure this topic has been covered before, but can > seomone please4 > point me in the right direction for mounting an NT > drive on a VMS > platform.  >=20 > Thanks, Rob.     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DiL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dh F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazile fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dn  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 06:19:31 -0400-2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> Subject: Re: VMSD2* Message-ID: <3BCFFE32.A5108473@oracle.com>   Barry Streets wrote: > M > I'm trying to understand why someone would set sysgen parameter VMSD2 to 8,.G > when the default is 0. The system is a 4000-705A running VMS 7.1, RDB  > 7.0-21, ACMS 4.1, TDMS1.9A.   . > The end users are complaining of poor system8 > response time. and I can't find anything really amiss.  ' 	ignoring the question about VMSD2, hows- are the end users actually measuring responser2 time?  assuming that the application is a database. user, what is the transaction profile (r/o vs.- r/w, transaction duration, etc)?  has it evera been fast and is now slow?   >  > Barry Streets  > The Echo Group   --  > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:31:43 GMTn1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>- Subject: Re: VMSD22 Message-ID: <3BD02B65.A474F80C@clarityconnect.com>  F VMSD2 was last used to control the behavior of some patched VMS imagesE for OpenVMS VAX V7.1.  If you are running these images then you wouldUF need to leave this parameter alone.  If you do not know anything aboutD that then leave it alone.  If you update to V7.3 then you may removeD this parameter from MODPARAMS.DAT so that it returns to it's default when yo do the V7.3 update.    Barry Streets wrote: > M > I'm trying to understand why someone would set sysgen parameter VMSD2 to 8,xG > when the default is 0. The system is a 4000-705A running VMS 7.1, RDB J > 7.0-21, ACMS 4.1, TDMS1.9A. The end users are complaining of poor system8 > response time. and I can't find anything really amiss. >  > Barry Streets  > The Echo Group   -- pD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:44:31 +0200i  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: VTEST on Alphat+ Message-ID: <VA.00000483.18f3aa68@sture.ch>c  T In article <00A03B53.6F8D0FDF@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- Brian Schenkenberger wrote:T > In article <00256AE9.004EC178.00@quegw01.btyp>, Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com writes:O > >Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza  > >u > >  > >Hi, > >pS > >We use a product called VTEST [on Vax and Alpha] and if it's the same product is R > >produced by Cyrano [http://www.cyrano.com] and I think is now just called TEST. > > 	 > >Cheers1 > >5 > >Steve Spires  > J > Cyrano had been marketting a product for feigning the VMS time calls forI > Y2K testing.  I checked out a demo and it was sorely lacking and poorlyMI > implemented.  If they're responsible for VTEST, I'd reconsider its use.E > U Not to be confused with the date/time thing (wasn't that marketed by half a dozen or LS so companies anyway?), VTEST was a fine product, written in the true VMS spirit by  6 an excellent team of engineers. With input from me :-)  S Provided they didn't muck with it too much since I last saw it, VTEST should still - be fine.  S As for the present state of the company, it looks like they were bought out by the  R present owners, so I don't honestly know, except that there are tales of shafting T which come unpleasantly to mind every time you hint at your own unfortunate episode  in the past.  S IMHO, VTEST could still be a fine product, but I'd be looking to my lawyers to vet tD contracts and wouldn't expect much in the way of support thereafter.  M So I broadly agree with your conclusion, though from a different perspective.c ___c
 Paul Sture Switzerlandc   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:58:43 GMTK= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)N Subject: Re: VTEST on AlphaS0 Message-ID: <00A03BF3.F44424A1@SendSpamHere.ORG>  N In article <VA.00000483.18f3aa68@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:U >In article <00A03B53.6F8D0FDF@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- Brian Schenkenberger wrote: U >> In article <00256AE9.004EC178.00@quegw01.btyp>, Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com writes: P >> >Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza >> > >> > >> >Hi,  >> >T >> >We use a product called VTEST [on Vax and Alpha] and if it's the same product isS >> >produced by Cyrano [http://www.cyrano.com] and I think is now just called TEST.u >> >
 >> >Cheers >> > >> >Steve Spires >>  K >> Cyrano had been marketting a product for feigning the VMS time calls foruJ >> Y2K testing.  I checked out a demo and it was sorely lacking and poorlyJ >> implemented.  If they're responsible for VTEST, I'd reconsider its use. >> :V >Not to be confused with the date/time thing (wasn't that marketed by half a dozen or T >so companies anyway?), VTEST was a fine product, written in the true VMS spirit by 7 >an excellent team of engineers. With input from me :-)c >gT >Provided they didn't muck with it too much since I last saw it, VTEST should still 	 >be fine.n  ' Provided that they didn't muck with it.a      T >As for the present state of the company, it looks like they were bought out by the S >present owners, so I don't honestly know, except that there are tales of shafting eU >which come unpleasantly to mind every time you hint at your own unfortunate episode  
 >in the past.P  J That's sad, very sad.  Lawyers suck!  They should all be the first on the I ground in Afghanistan and made to walk through the mine fields to clear a I path for our troops.  I'd bet this practice would be good for troop moral,J too!  Same goes for the ego-maniacal histrionic head of a certain software outfit.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            rJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:00:53 -0600i- From: "Dan Notov" <dannoHATES_SPAM@large.com>h5 Subject: Re: We've burned our boats say Compaq and HP . Message-ID: <tt0n1536sng73@corp.supernews.com>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:iaPp8D6hZb$f@eisner.encompasserve.org... 6 > In article <3bcf1ba9$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman"- <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:SD > >>It was an initiative to render Windows NT "industrial strength." > >.D > > Thanks for explaining "SCULPTOR" but to whome does "well-dressed	 gentlemani > > of Italian heritage" refer?  >v > >>   EP    <<r >g > Rob  Eckhard Pfeiffer?g Enrico Pesatori?   :-)g   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:11:55 GMT.= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)r4 Subject: X server and SET DISPLAY on different port?0 Message-ID: <00A03C1F.B4F4B513@SendSpamHere.ORG>  M Is it possible to run the DECwindows server such that it will use a differentrM port (a port other than port 6000)?  If so, can a SET DISPLAY command then beE  directed to this new port?  How?   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMr             J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesu   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.582 ************************