1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 20 Oct 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 583       Contents: Changing File Attributes Re: Changing File Attributes Re: Changing File Attributes Re: DECNET ping equivalent?  DIR by File Revision Numbers? ! Re: DIR by File Revision Numbers? ! Re: DIR by File Revision Numbers?  ECC 4 Re: FL - Dibol Programmer Needed, Permanent position4 RE: FL - Dibol Programmer Needed, Permanent position& Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors& Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors& Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors& Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors! Re: HP To Acquire Afghanistan :-) ! Re: HP To Acquire Afghanistan :-) ! Re: HP To Acquire Afghanistan :-) 6 Kerberos Client on OpenVMS, CSWS/APACHE, MOD_AUTH_KERB Re: LAT Queues wont start - Re: Linker64 producing un-INSTALLable images? " Re: Mail-order service for Alphas?& Re: Mozilla 0.9.5 and file protections OpenVMS Programming RFP  Port to VMS  Re: Port to VMS  Re: Port to VMS  Re: Port to VMS  Re: Port to VMS  Re: Port to VMS  Re: Port to VMS  Re: Port to VMS  Printing to NLA0:? Re: Printing to NLA0:? Re: Printing to NLA0:? Re: Printing to NLA0:? Re: Printing to NLA0:?7 Re: sd comman (or who has the biggest cd.com or sd.com) 2 Re: Slightly OT - how failed computers kill ships.2 Re: Slightly OT - how failed computers kill ships. TPU/EVE Spelling Checker; Re: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon!  vms declared unhackable! Re: vms declared unhackable!, Re: We've burned our boats say Compaq and HP/ Re: X server and SET DISPLAY on different port?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:25:29 -0500 0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>! Subject: Changing File Attributes C Message-ID: <DNEHJNCNNNGANLDIFIOHIEDHCBAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>   " Need somebody to throw me a bone..   OpenVMS 7.2-1h1 on AXP4100  L Need to change a file attribute.  I FTPed a file from DEC Unix ( True64 ) to% my Alpha and the format is all wrong.    I need to change it from this:  > DLR_XF_TARGET_UUIDS.TXT;2                 File ID:  (5613,9,0)- Size:           21/25         Owner:    [1,1] " Created:   19-OCT-2001 12:39:13.75' Revised:   19-OCT-2001 14:01:10.36 (33)  Expires:   <None specified>  Backup:    <No backup recorded>  Effective: <None specified>  Recording: <None specified>  File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online  Caching attribute:  WritethroughE File attributes:    Allocation: 25, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0 $                     No version limit> Record format:      Stream, maximum 79 bytes, longest 79 bytes Record attributes:  None RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None@ File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWE, World:RE Access Cntrl List:  None Client attributes:  None  D To varialble length format ( longest 79 bytes ) and carriage return,( carriage return as the record attribute.    
 any hints?   Thanks..   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:25:22 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) % Subject: Re: Changing File Attributes 7 Message-ID: <913FBC216warrenspencer1977@207.126.101.97>   3 arturo.saavedra@wcom.com (arturo saavedra) wrote in 9 <DNEHJNCNNNGANLDIFIOHIEDHCBAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>:    # >Need somebody to throw me a bone..  >  >OpenVMS 7.2-1h1 on AXP4100  > H >Need to change a file attribute.  I FTPed a file from DEC Unix ( True64+ >) to my Alpha and the format is all wrong.  >  >I need to change it from this:  > ? >DLR_XF_TARGET_UUIDS.TXT;2                 File ID:  (5613,9,0) . >Size:           21/25         Owner:    [1,1]# >Created:   19-OCT-2001 12:39:13.75 ( >Revised:   19-OCT-2001 14:01:10.36 (33) >Expires:   <None specified>  >Backup:    <No backup recorded> >Effective: <None specified> >Recording: <None specified> >File organization:  Sequential  >Shelved state:      Online ! >Caching attribute:  Writethrough F >File attributes:    Allocation: 25, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0% >                    No version limit ? >Record format:      Stream, maximum 79 bytes, longest 79 bytes  >Record attributes:  None  >RMS attributes:     None  >Journaling enabled: None A >File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWE, World:RE  >Access Cntrl List:  None  >Client attributes:  None  > E >To varialble length format ( longest 79 bytes ) and carriage return, ) >carriage return as the record attribute.  >  >  >any hints?    $ HELP EDIT/FDL  $ HELP CONVERT FILE /FDL   ws   --     Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)  The Associated Press  L ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements - neither do I  **   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:31:52 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> % Subject: Re: Changing File Attributes , Message-ID: <3BD0A9D7.85B6C82E@videotron.ca>   arturo saavedra wrote:@ > Record format:      Stream, maximum 79 bytes, longest 79 bytes > Record attributes:  None  F > To varialble length format ( longest 79 bytes ) and carriage return,* > carriage return as the record attribute.  H A "stream" without record attributes is just a stream of bytes. Variable) length files have the concept of records.   N You need to know about the contents of the file. For instance, if it is a fileS where records are delimited with a life feed character, you could do the following:   J SET FILE myfile.data/ATTRIB=(RFM:STMLF)   (HELP SET FILE /ATTRIB gives you various attributes)   L Once the file is in Stream-LF setting, the VMS system will be able to see it@ as a file made up of records each delimited by the LF character.  M If the file is small, you can just EDIT/TPU myfile.data and issue the "WRITE" ; command which will create a variable length file and voila.   M If the file is large, you might want to use CONVERT/FDL to do the job. You'll K need to provide a file definition language file (FDL) that will specify the Q target file format. The CONVERT/FDL will then change the actual data in the file.   N To get an FDL file, you can use ANA/RMS/FDL knownfile.data  on a file you knowN has the right attributes. Then use the .FDL file that was created (cutting outE a lot fo the obviousl stuff not needed) as a base to use the convert.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2001 04:54:13 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>$ Subject: Re: DECNET ping equivalent?- Message-ID: <87g08fpczu.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   5 Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> writes:   F > but does it reach out and "touch" the requested node like ping does?D > Maybe I am wrong and it does, can't test at the moment as I am VMS > deprived.   B > Anyway, you don't get packet loss figures like you do with ping.   OK then,  $ mc ncp sho node <foo> counters if you will.  > When the node come up, it hellos the adjacent nodes. It or oneC of its adjacent nodes MUST be a router except in the case of a full @ adjacent net. So the status is propergated via the routing info.  2 This is a real network, 'reachable' is for real ;)   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2001 11:28:56 -0700, From: dframeli@aus.telusa.com (Dale Frameli)& Subject: DIR by File Revision Numbers?= Message-ID: <de844d64.0110191028.4a94019e@posting.google.com>   F Is there an easy way to perform a DIR and have the output be all filesE with a revision numbers higher than x?  i.e. all files whose revision   numbers are greater than 30,000?  C I have an older version of VMS.  I'm not sure about newer versions, ? but my version of OpenVMS v1.5 AXP has a file revision limit of ? 32,727.  I'd like to scan the hard drive for all files that are  approaching this limit.    Please reply to me directly at:  dframeli@aus.telusa.com    Thanks,  Dale   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:59:39 +0200 * From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il>* Subject: Re: DIR by File Revision Numbers?* Message-ID: <3BD0862B.8010502@tzora.co.il>  ; No way (that I can think of) to do what you want with DIR.   There is: however a freeware utility called DFU (Disk File Utility)  that can+ list all files with a minimum version of x.   
 That said:: 1.  _All_ VMS versions have file-version limits of 32,767  (not 32,727)5 2.  VMS V1.5 is extremely old. Consider upgrading to   something closer5      to the current version (V7.3. There were no VMS   versions 2 to 5       on Alpha.) ; 3.  I do not know whether any version of DFU that you find   will run on       VMS V1.5.   Mike   Dale Frameli wrote:   H > Is there an easy way to perform a DIR and have the output be all filesG > with a revision numbers higher than x?  i.e. all files whose revision " > numbers are greater than 30,000? > E > I have an older version of VMS.  I'm not sure about newer versions, A > but my version of OpenVMS v1.5 AXP has a file revision limit of A > 32,727.  I'd like to scan the hard drive for all files that are  > approaching this limit.  > ! > Please reply to me directly at:  > dframeli@aus.telusa.com  > 	 > Thanks,  > Dale >      --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- ; Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not  
 even that.? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* / Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice   (home):(972)-2-99083377    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes   another 80%"E --------------------------------------------------------------------- * ------ GEEK CODE BLOCK (Version: 3.1)-----( GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++' N++ K? w--- V+++$ PS+ PE-- t X- tv-- b+  DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ * ---------- END GEEK CODE BLOCK  ----------   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:45:01 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)* Subject: Re: DIR by File Revision Numbers?1 Message-ID: <1W2A7.715$RL6.6901@news.cpqcorp.net>    Dale Frameli wrote:   H : Is there an easy way to perform a DIR and have the output be all filesG : with a revision numbers higher than x?  i.e. all files whose revision " : numbers are greater than 30,000?    E   DCL works nicely.  The following should provide you with enough of  3   an example that you can solve your own problem...      $ fn = f$search("",1)  $loop:" $ fn = f$search("sys$login:*.*;*")" $ if f$length(fn) .eq. 0 then exit$ $ fv = f$parse(fn,,,"VERSION") - ";" $ if f$int(fv) .ge. 200  $ then" $    write sys$output "file ''fn'" $ endif  $ goto loop     E : I have an older version of VMS.  I'm not sure about newer versions, A : but my version of OpenVMS v1.5 AXP has a file revision limit of  : 32,727.     E   I'd expect the limit to be 32767, and this applies to the ODS-2 and H   ODS-5 file structures on all available OpenVMS releases and platforms.  F   I'd encourage an upgrade to a more recent release, as OpenVMS Alpha D   V1.5 was superceded many years ago and is no longer seeing ECOs or@   other maintenance.  OpenVMS Alpha V7.3 is the current release.  A :          I'd like to scan the hard drive for all files that are  : approaching this limit.   F   The other question here is around the applications that are creatingF   these new versions -- you'll want to look at those, and determine if3   there is something you can do to reset the value.   I   The Ask The Wizard topics (4006), (4606), and particularly (5845) will  <   be of interest here: http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/  ! : Please reply to me directly at:  : dframeli@aus.telusa.com      Ask here, get an answer here.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:30:43 -0400 & From: Andy Moskal <moskal@zk3.dec.com> Subject: ECC+ Message-ID: <3BD0A992.B351D471@zk3.dec.com>   G Hey Gary... what do you think of the following.   Didn't 8600 have some  double bit error recovery?   -Andy     8 Excuse me?  What in the heck are you trying to say here?  H The only "detectable" CPU "failure" that I know of is correctable bcache  H errors, which indicate a failing bcache.  Any error that causes a CPU to not G work correctly, or to simply stop executing, are generally catestrophic  onD Alpha - or on Itanium.  Even if the CPU failure doesn't take down or hangF the entire system, the entire system MUST be brought down, because you have? no way of knowing what damage the failed CPU may be doing (like 
 corrupting things).  E Defective memory WILL crash a system if it is an uncorrectable memory  error F on VAX, and on Alpha, and on Itanium.  The ONLY case where this is not trueD is the VAX 9000, which has special VMS logic to try and run down the failedE address, and see if it can simply shoot a process, rather than crash.   A Alpha systems with ECC memory survive single bit errors.  So will  Itanium.C You can build a Alpha system or a Itanium system with Parity memory  instead G of ECC - in which case the system will crash on a simgle bit error.  It  isA pretty unlikely you will ever see this on any server from Compaq.   D In fact, memory systems are being designed with Raid-5 technology to survive @ multi-bit errors - somethig needed when you see max memory sizes
 reaching > 1TB.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2001 12:59:57 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)= Subject: Re: FL - Dibol Programmer Needed, Permanent position = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110191159.41401258@posting.google.com>   w "Chris Baker" <cbaker@interlink-inc.net> wrote in message news:<5yGz7.43320$6i7.4573596@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>... N > I have a client in Central Florida looking for a Dibol Programmer. This is a; > permanent position. Please contact me for futher details.  >  > --. > Contact me to see how you can earn $1,000.00 >  > Thanks for your time, 
 > Chris Baker  > Executive Search Consultant ' > Inter*Link Technology Solutions, Inc. 6 > 4606 South Clyde Morris Blvd., Suite 2-D (New Suite) > Daytona Beach, Florida  32129   > TOLL FREE 800-713-9207 EXT 204 > TEL/386.322.5440 EXT 204 > FAX/209.391.7933
 > IM# cpb meb   L we use synergy dibol ... best compiler you can buy for vms ... can do almost9 anything c can w/alot less headaches (easy debugging) ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:24:00 -0700 0 From: "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com>= Subject: RE: FL - Dibol Programmer Needed, Permanent position ; Message-ID: <000001c158f5$22ea3250$9c96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>   I amen to that!!  And Bob I for one am glad you mention the new software on ! here  I think I could us it to !!    Hank Vander Waal Mansco Hudsonville MI     -----Original Message-----/ From: Bob Ceculski [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com] & Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 1:00 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com = Subject: Re: FL - Dibol Programmer Needed, Permanent position     9 "Chris Baker" <cbaker@interlink-inc.net> wrote in message = news:<5yGz7.43320$6i7.4573596@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>... L > I have a client in Central Florida looking for a Dibol Programmer. This is a ; > permanent position. Please contact me for futher details.  >  > --. > Contact me to see how you can earn $1,000.00 >  > Thanks for your time, 
 > Chris Baker  > Executive Search Consultant ' > Inter*Link Technology Solutions, Inc. 6 > 4606 South Clyde Morris Blvd., Suite 2-D (New Suite) > Daytona Beach, Florida  32129   > TOLL FREE 800-713-9207 EXT 204 > TEL/386.322.5440 EXT 204 > FAX/209.391.7933
 > IM# cpb meb   L we use synergy dibol ... best compiler you can buy for vms ... can do almost9 anything c can w/alot less headaches (easy debugging) ...    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:26:02 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>/ Subject: Re: Higher prices for Alpha processorstD Message-ID: <_e_z7.1034960$ai2.78177855@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  = Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagey8 news:M9Xz7.132905$vq.30267061@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...   ...   F > Ironically or otherwise, back in the mid-90's I worked for a startup analysteJ > firm. We were retained by DEC to do a study on What To Do About VMS. OurK > findings were A) reconsider a VMS port (a la Emerald), B) position VMS ashK > the best server OS on the planet, and C) eschew OS political correctness, E > wherein it was deemed "inappropriate" to say anything that might beC( > "hurtful" to a sister OS like Windoze. > I > We realized that "A" didn't have a chance, but "B" and "C" sure as hell  madeD > sense. Not to the marketing and strategy weenies at DEC, though...  K Somewhat ironically, (B) is precisely what I tried to get DEC to do in late I 1986.  It was rejected then as well, but for exactly the opposite reasonstH (VMS still having plans to take over the world, including the PC space).  J I've never had cause to regret leaving DEC at that point:  the handwritingL of decline was on the wall, though its nature changed significantly a coupleJ of times (first by the Unix wars, then by the Affinity fiasco) before time finally ran out.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 04:36:17 +0100 / From: "Adam Price" <adam+usenet@pappnase.co.uk>s/ Subject: Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors C Message-ID: <Xj6A7.12671$uh1.2139596@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>-  l "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message news:BrEy7.440$RL6.3822@news.cpqcorp.net... >u? > JF Mezei wrote in message <3BC5FE2C.396F328A@videotron.ca>...O > >CL > >Alpha is on life support for another 5 years. But Compaq doesn't want any > moreJ > >Alpha customers during that time since its goal is to pull the plugs as > soonL > >as possible and the more people are still on Alpha, the harder it will be > to > >pull the plug.D >XK > IMHO, this is pure BS.  We continue to sell Alphas into new accounts, and:N > continue to get new sales every day on Alpha.  The Business Critical SystemsN > division is focused on selling Alphas.  There IS NO let up in trying to sellH > Alpha, which would be foolish since we will not have a competetive IPF8 > offering (with EV68 or EV7 or EV79) for quite a while.# Say that again this time next week.l Adam   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 04:00:44 GMTn4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>/ Subject: Re: Higher prices for Alpha processorst< Message-ID: <MF6A7.18167$f6.7744270@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  : "Adam Price" <adam+usenet@pappnase.co.uk> wrote in message= news:Xj6A7.12671$uh1.2139596@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...o >tB > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message+ news:BrEy7.440$RL6.3822@news.cpqcorp.net...  > >-A > > JF Mezei wrote in message <3BC5FE2C.396F328A@videotron.ca>...  > > > J > > >Alpha is on life support for another 5 years. But Compaq doesn't want any  > > moreL > > >Alpha customers during that time since its goal is to pull the plugs as > > soonK > > >as possible and the more people are still on Alpha, the harder it will  be > > to > > >pull the plug.. > > I > > IMHO, this is pure BS.  We continue to sell Alphas into new accounts,P andfH > > continue to get new sales every day on Alpha.  The Business Critical SystemseK > > division is focused on selling Alphas.  There IS NO let up in trying tol sellJ > > Alpha, which would be foolish since we will not have a competetive IPF: > > offering (with EV68 or EV7 or EV79) for quite a while.% > Say that again this time next week.c > Adam  L Conspiracy theories aside, the only thing that's likely to happen within theJ next 7 days is Compaq's financial announcement on 25 October. It's alreadyI pretty evident that the numbers will sucketh mightly. Alpha sales will oflJ course be down. This should come as no surprise to anyone. So what else is new?  L On the other hand, the ES45 is selling like hotcakes; most pre-orders of anyC Alpha system to date. EV7 Marvel systems are up and running in >16P I configurations; the VMS and Tru64 folks already have systems installed in F Spit Brook. So why would there be a let-up in the effort to sell Alpha systems?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 02:03:41 -0400a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>F/ Subject: Re: Higher prices for Alpha processorsS, Message-ID: <3BD113BC.1AB4D6B3@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:eL > next 7 days is Compaq's financial announcement on 25 October. It's alreadyK > pretty evident that the numbers will sucketh mightly. Alpha sales will of< > course be down.e  F Bit if history repeats itself, Alpha/VMS etc won't be mentioned in theJ announcement and Compaq will simply say that enterprise servers are down a) certain percent without any explanation. e  H What would be interesting to know is if Alpha sales would have gone downN significantly more than wintel server sales. If so, it is possible that CompaqM will mention it because it would mean that Alpha was pulling down the rest of J the company, hence justification to kill it. If Wintel went down more thanM Alpha, then they won't mention Alpha since bundling Alpha with Wintel serversa( will make the wintel server look better.  H > Spit Brook. So why would there be a let-up in the effort to sell Alpha
 > systems?    K "Sell" evokes an activity. If sales of Alpha are good, it doesn't mean thateT Compaq is selling them, it only means that customers have found a way to order them.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:06:23 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aue* Subject: Re: HP To Acquire Afghanistan :-)5 Message-ID: <01K9Q20VOOPE006L4V@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>d   John Santos wrote:  $ >On 19 Oct 2001, Jerry Leslie wrote: >f# >> From the Yahoo HWP message boardR >>   >>    HP to aquire Afghanistan) >>    by: bearabull2000 10/17/01 08:47 ama >>    Msg: 70884 of 70945. >>  J >>    Per HP CEO Carly Fiornia "We'll since Comdisco, and Price WaterhouseC >>    deceived me by not accepting my lowball offer's, and everyoneb > & >Plea'se don't waste ap'ost''ro'phe's.  I I'll second that; they are urgently needed by people like me.  Banks and pL similar organisations obviously do not have enough even to spare one for my  name :-(   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2001 21:21:50 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)k* Subject: Re: HP To Acquire Afghanistan :-)3 Message-ID: <UQp+oykWR6Yf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <01K9Q20VOOPE006L4V@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes:d > John Santos wrote: > % >>On 19 Oct 2001, Jerry Leslie wrote:s >>$ >>> From the Yahoo HWP message board >>>  >>>    HP to aquire Afghanistant* >>>    by: bearabull2000 10/17/01 08:47 am >>>    Msg: 70884 of 70945 >>> K >>>    Per HP CEO Carly Fiornia "We'll since Comdisco, and Price WaterhousepD >>>    deceived me by not accepting my lowball offer's, and everyone >>' >>Plea'se don't waste ap'ost''ro'phe's.  > K > I'll second that; they are urgently needed by people like me.  Banks and -N > similar organisations obviously do not have enough even to spare one for my 
 > name :-(  H We have plenty of apostrophes in the US, but the government has declaredF them a munition, so we are not allowed to export them to Australia :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 02:43:06 GMTc4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>* Subject: Re: HP To Acquire Afghanistan :-)< Message-ID: <_w5A7.18164$f6.7713220@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:UQp+oykWR6Yf@eisner.encompasserve.org...i7 > In article <01K9Q20VOOPE006L4V@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>,7' paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes:a > > John Santos wrote: > >n' > >>On 19 Oct 2001, Jerry Leslie wrote:c > >>& > >>> From the Yahoo HWP message board > >>> ! > >>>    HP to aquire Afghanistan , > >>>    by: bearabull2000 10/17/01 08:47 am > >>>    Msg: 70884 of 70945 > >>> B > >>>    Per HP CEO Carly Fiornia "We'll since Comdisco, and Price
 WaterhouseF > >>>    deceived me by not accepting my lowball offer's, and everyone > >>) > >>Plea'se don't waste ap'ost''ro'phe's.D > >iL > > I'll second that; they are urgently needed by people like me.  Banks andL > > similar organisations obviously do not have enough even to spare one for my > > name :-( >rJ > We have plenty of apostrophes in the US, but the government has declaredH > them a munition, so we are not allowed to export them to Australia :-)  J Well, Notorious Belgian Hacker Cedric Zool is busy coding up a workaround: it's called PGP, as in Pretty Good Punctuation.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Oct 2001 18:23:08 GMT= From: jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818)r? Subject: Kerberos Client on OpenVMS, CSWS/APACHE, MOD_AUTH_KERBe+ Message-ID: <9qpr2c$uoc@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>e  N I downloaded source code for MOD_AUTH_KERB, an apache module proported to give* Apache authentication thru a Kerberos KDC.  L I started trying to compile it, only to trip across the absense of KRB5.H on
 my system.  M Downloaded the KRB5-1.1.1 distribution from MIT onto a local Tru64 system and-N exploded it.  Couldn't find a KRB5.H there, but did find a KRB5.HIN file whichN looks on first glance to be a blank cartridge for unix configuration; it mightL eventually become a KRB5.H file, but not in its present form.  It definitelyK did NOT, when I pulled it over to OpenVMS and renamed it as KRB5.H, resolvet my compilation issues ;-)-  M Started looking and discovered a Kerberos Client package for OpenVMS releasedEM in May 2001.  Downloaded it and tried installing it; however this looks to be-= LITERALLY a client package, no source or include files in it.    Any chance that somebody's  I 1) Implemented MOD_AUTH_KERB for OpenVMS already and is willing to share?5K 2) Got the full KRB5 include set at least translated for OpenVMS so I couldR 	possibly get (1) going here?s  M +-"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag tapes"--+eN | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance")            InterNet:  Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu | M | Systems Design Specialist - Lead       AT&T:      (814) 865-1818          |eM | Library Computing Services             FAX:       (814) 863-3560          |eM | E3 Paterno Library                     "I'd rather be dancing..."         |sM | Penn State University         A host is a host from coast to coast,       |.M | University Park, PA 16802     And no one will talk to a host that's close | M | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>  Unless the host that isn't close            |aM | VMS GopherMeister             Is busy, hung or dead.                      |oM +------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take his wallet."-------+t9                 [apologies to DeForest Kelley, 1920-1999] 3 <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a> eJ <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a>   --	       /"\ #       \ /     ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGNd!        X        AGAINST HTML MAILe	       / \c   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:59:57 -0500a1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>h" Subject: Re: LAT Queues wont start' Message-ID: <3BD0CC8D.1E330C95@fsi.net>    Piyush Avichal wrote:  >  > Hi,  > O > I am experiencing a problem with my LAT queues. They seemed to have gone intosM > a stopped state and I am unable to restart them. I can restart normal batch(O > queues and IP print queues, but any queues that are using LAT will not start.lR > I have other vaxes which have the same setup and those LAT queues are unaffected > and work fine. > N > Printer queue CORPORATE_SECRETARIES_1$PRINT, stopped, autostart inactive, on' > NEWDEV::LTA501:, mounted form DEFAULTQ > 7 > NEWDEV(PA)$ start/queue CORPORATE_SECRETARIES_1$PRINTp/ > %SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available  > 6 > Even stopping and reseting the queues has no effect. > . > Does anyone know what might be causing this?   One of at least two problems:   A 1. The logical name CORPORATE_SECRETARIES_1$PRINT is not DEFINEd.-  / 2. The LTA device indicated by the logical name - CORPORATE_SECRETARIES_1$PRINT does not exist.0  : That should be enough to get you started in your search...   -- h David J. Dachteray dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:00:33 -0700y$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>6 Subject: Re: Linker64 producing un-INSTALLable images?0 Message-ID: <01C1588D.53EBCD40@sulfer.icius.com>  F Thanks, Mark, I appreciate the help. I'll check out the 7.3 patch, and  advise the customer accordingly.   ShaneU   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:10:41 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: Mail-order service for Alphas?L1 Message-ID: <Rp2A7.711$RL6.6953@news.cpqcorp.net>i  c In article <793af3df.0110180802.3d1bd040@posting.google.com>, tadamsmar@aol.com (Tom Adams) writes:c> :Are there any service centers where you can ship an Alpha for :hardware repairs? :oA :We went off of contract recently, and I was trying to figure outw@ :the cheapest way to get repairs.  We have some spares, so I can3 :stand to wait a few weeks to a service turnaround.k  H   The Compaq Assisted Services program can provide backing support and aH   repairs-n-spares depot -- usually module-level stuff -- if you decide D   to maintain your own systems.  You can also obtain diagnostics andE   hardware documentation through the Assisted Services program.  (See    the FAQ for pointers.)  B   Or you can go for "per call" service through Compaq (or probably$   another vendor), if you so choose.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:22:58 -0500 C From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com>i/ Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.9.5 and file protectionseI Message-ID: <craig.berry-C979A1.13225819102001@newsrump.sjc.telocity.net>7  F Thanks Colin, Larry, Theo, and others I'm probably forgetting for all G the replies on this.  The sequence of events seemed so straightforward l? I thought I had finally narrowed this down to something easily  A reproducible, but I'm afraid I haven't.  I've tried on two other  H machines and did not experience the problem (this time).  I reinstalled F Mozilla on the machine for which I reported the problem and could not G reproduce it.  I even tried installing 0.9.4 and then installing 0.9.5  C on top of it while 0.9.4 had a browser window open, thinking there  G might be some silent failure to replace an older file if it was open.  s' That didn't trigger the problem either.i  6 I've had problems like this intermittently before, see   I <http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=craig.berry-93FC16.0858471806t! 2001%40newsrump.sjc.telocity.net>e  G but I don't seem to be any closer to nailing it down.  I've seen it on -E 7.2-1 systems and 7.3 systems, though it hasn't always been the same gH file or files that end up with overly restrictive protections.  So, the F problem space seems rather wide open and I guess I won't bug Bugzilla / until I have an easy reproducer.  Thanks again.    In article t> <craig.berry-F8CD41.22352416102001@newsrump.sjc.telocity.net>,E  "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com> wrote:c  E > The newest version of Mozilla still has problems if you install it E@ > under the SYSTEM account and then try to run it from another, I > non-privileged account.  It gives the "Starting..." message, chugs for aH > a bit, and then just quits with no error messages.  By using security 8 > auditing, I determined that the following files under F > SYS$COMMON:[MOZILLA] are installed with protections other than what  > they need: > * >                            has     needs* > component.reg              W:RE    W:RWE( > [.components]xpti.dat      W:      W:R* > [.components]xptitemp.dat  W:RE    W:RWE > 3 > Once I change the protections, Mozilla runs fine.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:47:54 -0400o  From: Kuff@Tessco.Com (Hal Kuff)  Subject: OpenVMS Programming RFPO Message-ID: <69EBB0A288ACA202.06EE9B0A3C1FF1CB.6636357128FF3ABB@lp.airnews.net>l  @    We're looking for someone to write an OpenVMS TCP/IP Service:  A    Remote work is fine... anywhere in the globe, no site visit iss5 required, documentation in the code must be verbose. '  H    The service will handle as many as 1000 concurrent clients... ServiceI must run via AST(s)... Accept a buffer as large as 65K bytes in/out.. TheiI buffers are passed to detached worker proceses that are essentially doingtJ transactions. We'll write the workers... the transaction part works now asJ a subroutine we only have to splice in the functions you provide to handle; event flags and work out the array structures...(see below)e  H    The workers and the service map a large area of global memory... eachJ worker would index into this area by it's worker number... so lets say andD array of 20x1MB ... one array element for each worker of 1MB that is( divided into local elements as well....   H    So let's say each worker has a longword of event flags assigned to itJ that shows who is available to process a buffer... then the service simplyI writes into the array and sets the flag to say the worker is busy.... therH worker writes back the data and sets the Done bit in the event flag, the? service picks up the buffer and resets the available flag .....r  F    The service will have a region of shareable memory in which it willJ keep track of connections, loading, response time etc.  You will provide aE simple VTDPY type of program that links into the shareable region and 9 shows realtime status.... You'll need it to debug anyway.c      L reply asap kuff@tessco.com with your thoughts and we'll go to the next step.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:56:11 GMTi& From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Port to VMS? Message-ID: <%OZz7.405303$8c3.73231540@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>f  L I have an opportunity to influence the port of a unix  webserver applicationL to Alpha VMS and to implement a new web based  VMS application.  Some of ourA developers are considering these options, but they need some help K understanding what is available on VMS.  They are asking me for help, but I.I am not very strong or knowledgable in this area.  I would like to arrangekJ someone from Compaq to come show us what is available in this area on VMS.  G In the meantime, what is the best and latest web browser for VMS?  WhataI Version of VMS is needed.  All of my alpha systems are running VMS 7.2-1.i   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2001 13:06:57 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Port to VMS3 Message-ID: <pT9i0KhNg1Wb@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  h In article <%OZz7.405303$8c3.73231540@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>, "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> writes:N > I have an opportunity to influence the port of a unix  webserver applicationN > to Alpha VMS and to implement a new web based  VMS application.  Some of ourC > developers are considering these options, but they need some help M > understanding what is available on VMS.  They are asking me for help, but IwK > am not very strong or knowledgable in this area.  I would like to arrange(L > someone from Compaq to come show us what is available in this area on VMS. > I > In the meantime, what is the best and latest web browser for VMS?  WhatpK > Version of VMS is needed.  All of my alpha systems are running VMS 7.2-1.  >  >  --  N ==============================================================================I The Boulder Pledge: "Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anything?J      offered to me as the result of an unsolicited email message. Nor willI      I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warnings H      to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival      of the online community."N ==============================================================================   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2001 13:13:06 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)r Subject: Re: Port to VMS3 Message-ID: <P7MKifqKBkgE@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  h In article <%OZz7.405303$8c3.73231540@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>, "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> writes:N > I have an opportunity to influence the port of a unix  webserver applicationN > to Alpha VMS and to implement a new web based  VMS application.  Some of ourC > developers are considering these options, but they need some help M > understanding what is available on VMS.  They are asking me for help, but ItK > am not very strong or knowledgable in this area.  I would like to arrangeiL > someone from Compaq to come show us what is available in this area on VMS.  9 I don't know if they make house calls, but if you look ato; http://www.openvms.compaq.com, I believe it is running CSWSr= on VMS.  Others can tell you sites that run other web serversh if you ask.   D > In the meantime, what is the best and latest web browser for VMS ?  6 It is dangerous to implicitly equate best with latest.   Several web servers are:  6 	Purveyor - well tested but no longer supported by the7 		vendor, and costs money (those listed below are free)s  1 	WASD - probably the best single-CPU performance.-  7 	OSU - probably the best multi-CPU performance for somem 		CPU count greater than one.a  7 	CSWS - probably the best for Unix compatibility, since  		it is a port of Apache.t  < I would suggest CSWS for your situation, since it is a known= "brand" to your unix colleagues and porting the existing unix> code might be easier.i  0 But you know your environment better than we do.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2001 13:24:23 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e Subject: Re: Port to VMS3 Message-ID: <2dpO0tmqYY$8@eisner.encompasserve.org>w   Whoops !  M It has been point out to me in private mail that you asked about browsers ands I answered with web servers.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:30:02 GMTd& From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: Port to VMS? Message-ID: <Ki_z7.411566$8c3.73257495@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>j  I No "Whoops" needed.  I asked about both.  My first question was about webmL servers.  Then I asked about the latest browser available, but part of why IJ asked for help is that I don't know enough aobut this to ask all the rightI questions.  I do know that one of the applications being considered for a>; port to VMS is based on Apache, so that gives me some hope.7    : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:2dpO0tmqYY$8@eisner.encompasserve.org...e
 > Whoops ! >>K > It has been point out to me in private mail that you asked about browsersa ando > I answered with web servers. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:46:08 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n Subject: Re: Port to VMS, Message-ID: <3BD082FE.5AF4E3C5@videotron.ca>  ( The Apache port to VMS is a port to VMS.  N the OSU web server was built for VMS and has been running for quite some time.I It *probably* also has performance advantages because it makes use of VMSTL instead of the others who assume they are on unix. (I say probably because I haven't tried the Apache one).   YOu can look at:9 http://www.er6.eng.ohio-state.edu/WWW/doc/serverinfo.htmlp   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:01:08 -0400n% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>n Subject: Re: Port to VMS/ Message-ID: <tt11kmt4qemgc6@news.supernews.com>t  K WASD is also VMS specific.  In fact, I understand that is has better singleHG CPU performance than OSU because it uses an AST driven design vs. OSU's: thread based approach.  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3BD082FE.5AF4E3C5@videotron.ca...* > The Apache port to VMS is a port to VMS. >bJ > the OSU web server was built for VMS and has been running for quite some time.oK > It *probably* also has performance advantages because it makes use of VMSeL > instead of the others who assume they are on unix. (I say probably because I   > haven't tried the Apache one). >r > YOu can look at:; > http://www.er6.eng.ohio-state.edu/WWW/doc/serverinfo.htmlh   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:27:23 GMTe2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Port to VMS1 Message-ID: <vF2A7.713$RL6.6909@news.cpqcorp.net>-  h In article <%OZz7.405303$8c3.73231540@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>, "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> writes:M :I have an opportunity to influence the port of a unix  webserver applicationRM :to Alpha VMS and to implement a new web based  VMS application.  Some of ourrB :developers are considering these options, but they need some helpL :understanding what is available on VMS.  They are asking me for help, but I3 :am not very strong or knowledgable in this area.  d  C   The specifics really depend on the question -- there is a pile ofxE   stuff available at the OpenVMS website, and there are presentationsw   on new stuff posted, etc.o  H :                                                I would like to arrangeK :someone from Compaq to come show us what is available in this area on VMS.l  G   That would involve some preliminary discussions around the location, sG   the opportunity, etc.   (No offense intended.)  If you can contact meOG   off-line with some of these details, I can pass the request along to wD   the proper folks.  (I can't guarantee that somebody will be out to7   visit without knowing rather more detail, of course.)e  H :In the meantime, what is the best and latest web browser for VMS?  WhatJ :Version of VMS is needed.  All of my alpha systems are running VMS 7.2-1.  I   Apache is the basis for Compaq Secure Web Server (CSWS), and available. L   Mozilla 0.9.5 is the current and the newest web browser available, though B   recent ports of Lynx and various other tools are also available.  K   Search for "Mozilla" or "Apache" and similar in the OpenVMS FAQ, and you  '   will find the following two sections:e  C SOFT1.    Where can I find freeware/shareware/software for OpenVMS? I SOFT3.    Where can I get the Netscape Navigator Mozilla.org Web Browser?a+ SOFT4.    Where can I get Java for OpenVMS?      Among others...t  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:59:44 GMT:' From: Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU>a Subject: Printing to NLA0:? ) Message-ID: <3BD0A250.874DEC8C@UIowa.EDU>d  E 	Does anyone know a way to setup a print queue that will not actually-> print (or physically require a printer) a job submitted to it?  G 	We have an application that for some print jobs, they don't want it to N actually print any paper.  The application can't be changed, so I am trying toH come up with a workaround to essentially setup a print queue to the nullJ device. :)  The application allows the user to choose a print queue, so weI wanted to try and setup a "bit bucket" queue for when they want the print @ operation (and it's other actions) to occur but not waste paper.  7 	However, I don't think I can do this literally, can I?   " $ Initialize /Queue /On=NLA0: Test  0 	If I start this queue, it will get an error of:  < %SYSTEM-W-DEVALLOC, device already allocated to another user  E 	Does anyone have any suggestions or areas to look for help?  I couldi6 not find anything like this in my searches of the FAQ.   Regards,
 Rick Dyson   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:25:51 GMT 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)t Subject: Re: Printing to NLA0:?n& Message-ID: <GLH7r3.AA9@world.std.com>  ) Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU> writes:s  F >	Does anyone know a way to setup a print queue that will not actually? >print (or physically require a printer) a job submitted to it?f  B The best way is to use the print symbiont modification routines toD create a "throwaway" print symbiont, that does nothing with the data? and return success.  Or find someone who already has done this.n  # >$ Initialize /Queue /On=NLA0: Test0  1 >	If I start this queue, it will get an error of:   = >%SYSTEM-W-DEVALLOC, device already allocated to another usere  J The device characteristics of the null device (sharable) aren't appropiateD to a printer device (allocatable to a symbiont) which is why you see this.a  I Another way to do what you want is to "print" to an unused terminal port,6H either a real one (depends on your system) or a LAT port.  Just leave it unconnected.   -Mike@   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:33:55 +1000s. From: Burnie M <burniem.NOSPAM@ozemail.com.au> Subject: Re: Printing to NLA0:?I8 Message-ID: <jvd1ttk1imi1upqd5h0f1rf6o20am1ftmr@4ax.com>  C On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:59:44 GMT, Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU>v wrote:  F >	Does anyone know a way to setup a print queue that will not actually? >print (or physically require a printer) a job submitted to it?f > H >	We have an application that for some print jobs, they don't want it toO >actually print any paper.  The application can't be changed, so I am trying to I >come up with a workaround to essentially setup a print queue to the nullhK >device. :)  The application allows the user to choose a print queue, so we-J >wanted to try and setup a "bit bucket" queue for when they want the printA >operation (and it's other actions) to occur but not waste paper.  >-8 >	However, I don't think I can do this literally, can I? >-# >$ Initialize /Queue /On=NLA0: Testf > 1 >	If I start this queue, it will get an error of:  >-= >%SYSTEM-W-DEVALLOC, device already allocated to another user  >0F >	Does anyone have any suggestions or areas to look for help?  I could7 >not find anything like this in my searches of the FAQ.g >D	 >Regards,r >Rick Dyson2    / Yes, you can print to NL: and many of us do it.nE Cannot remember the exact queue init command, somebody else will have  to help you with this.    Do you need to start the queue ?; You may need a procedure to reguarly clean the entries out.i   Burnie M   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:54:32 GMTd2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Printing to NLA0:?f1 Message-ID: <Y23A7.716$RL6.6796@news.cpqcorp.net>r  ` In article <GLH7r3.AA9@world.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:* :Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU> writes: :eG :>	Does anyone know a way to setup a print queue that will not actuallyd@ :>print (or physically require a printer) a job submitted to it? :mC :The best way is to use the print symbiont modification routines to=E :create a "throwaway" print symbiont, that does nothing with the datau@ :and return success.  Or find someone who already has done this.  E   http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/dbs-nullsymbiont/e    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:49:33 +0800r- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>a Subject: Re: Printing to NLA0:?m* Message-ID: <3BD0E63D.3080803@bigpond.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:e  b > In article <GLH7r3.AA9@world.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:, > :Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU> writes: > : I > :>	Does anyone know a way to setup a print queue that will not actuallyyB > :>print (or physically require a printer) a job submitted to it? > : E > :The best way is to use the print symbiont modification routines to.G > :create a "throwaway" print symbiont, that does nothing with the datanB > :and return success.  Or find someone who already has done this. > G >   http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/dbs-nullsymbiont/e >  > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------P >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com    : It can be used with the null device or a dummy LTA device.  > $ initialize/queue/start bit_bucket/on=nla0:/processor=nullsym   or   $ mcr latcp create port lta6664 $ mcr latcp set port lta666/node=storm/port=any_port@ $ initilaize/queue/start black_hole/on=lta666:/processor=nullsym     Regards, Dave.f -- oI David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comsI Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/oI DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmeI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennona   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:20:08 -0500e1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>t@ Subject: Re: sd comman (or who has the biggest cd.com or sd.com)' Message-ID: <3BD0D148.3683F4A4@fsi.net>f   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > b > In article <9ql5im$2q2r$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:H > > Does anyone else here find it ironic that while denigrating the UnixI > > way of doing things so many people here have immitation Unix commands, > > for VMS. > >tI > > I on the other hand, being an old Unix hand, was given a set of thesetH > > when I first got onto VMS and abandoned them as a bad idea.  It just4 > > makes it harder to get used to working with VMS. > L > There is no reason to make people unhappy by withholding trivial crutches.  ; IMO, the trick is to understand what's happening inside thel% proc./program or "behind" the symbol.-  = Some examples from my own LOGIN.COM (and proc.'s it invokes):e   $ ATQ           :==SH QUE/BATCHr! $ CLS           :== TYPE/PAGE NL: - $ DH            :== DUMP/HEADER/BLOCK=COUNT=0V4 $ DUP           :== SET HOST/DUP/SERV=MSCP$DUP/TASK=% $ MD            :== CREATE/DIRECT/LOGl$ $ SAY           :== WRITE SYS$OUTPUT# $ SHU           :== SHOW USERS/FULLu) $ SHUB          :== SHOW USERS/BATCH/FULL / $ SHUI          :== SHOW USERS/INTERACTIVE/FULLm@ $ SHS           :== SHOW SYS/NOINTER/NOSUBPROC/NOBATCH/NONETWORK) $ UPT*IME       :== SHOW SYSTEM/NOPROCESSt6 $ VERS*ION      :== 'SAY' F$GETSYI("""ARCH_NAME"""), -;                         """ """, F$GETSYI("""VERSION"""), --B                         """ (""", F$GETSYI("""HW_NAME"""), """)"""  G I have a CD.COM of my own, also, which accepts VMS, DOS or UNIX syntax. A The default behavior of CD with no arguments is the DOS behavior:3E display the current default. This can be changed to the UN*X behavior>B (set default back to the "home" (login) directory) by DEFINE-ing a
 logical name.a   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:46:52 -0500e1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ; Subject: Re: Slightly OT - how failed computers kill ships.o% Message-ID: <3BD0E59C.115D8E@fsi.net>    WILLIAM WEBB wrote:t > : > Gives a whole new meaning to "kernel panic", doesn't it.   Squawk-box:   4 "Seaman Gates - report to Col. Panic on the double!"   -- 1 David J. Dachtera= dba DJE Systems= http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:47:57 -0500s1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a; Subject: Re: Slightly OT - how failed computers kill ships. ' Message-ID: <3BD0E5DD.241BA5EB@fsi.net>o   Andy Proctor wrote:v > [snip]J > There are many more horror stories like this, maybe not so fatal, that I8 > know of. Ex CWEA (actually a mech - not a tiffy) here!   Is that /TIFFY or /NOTIFFY?:   -- 0 David J. Dachterap dba DJE SystemsK http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/c   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:17:15 -0700n5 From: Christopher Jovais <cjovais@radiology.ucsf.edu>n! Subject: TPU/EVE Spelling Checkerp2 Message-ID: <3BD0D09B.85B87D88@radiology.ucsf.edu>  
 Greetings,  G I know this has been discussed over the years but I didn't find much inyC the FAQ and the old DECUS site only talked about DECspell with EDT. E What is currently available as far as a spelling checker for TPU/EVE?sH Is anyone aware of a medical dictionary that has been utilized under the editor?i   Many thanks.H ________________________________________________________________________  H  Christopher Jovais                   e-mail: cjovais@radiology.ucsf.edu  :  tel: 415-502-5323                       fax: 415-502-5836H ________________________________________________________________________   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2001 12:31:22 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)D Subject: Re: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110191131.389d5466@posting.google.com>o  r "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> wrote in message news:<osWz7.69732$%B.5372982@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messaget9 > news:d7791aa1.0110181815.133047fb@posting.google.com...n > > its not a vt emulatoro > : > It looks something like a traditional 'screen scaper' of2 > which there are already other examples that work2 > within web browsers (though why people think web2 > browsers make good application interfaces/shells6 > is beyond me..... considering how unstable most (IE) > web browsers are already)r > 5 > > and i always work in caps and forget to turn themo? > > off on my pc on occasion ... true vt users work in caps ...d3 > > i guess that eliminates you from that group ...  > < > That's such an odd comment in response to my question.....; > I graduated from thinking a terminal session was the ONLY1: > way to use VMS a long time ago.... and in my 16 years of< > using VMS I've never lived in an all uppercase world. This7 > is VMS.... since when does case matter unless you are, > doing data entry ? > 	 > :-)....  >  > -Andy-  H case is irrelevant in most vms apps which is why i use all caps ... theyG are easier to read ... i got used to them from starting out maintainingeF mcba dibol accounting code which was written in caps if it dazzles you+ as to why one would prefer and use caps ...n  J as for the html product, it is more than a screen scraper when you can addJ html functionality to your vt screen ... why a browser, because thats whatM looks pretty to someone who wants to use a pc front end to the vms server ...0H they want mail in outlook, internet access, and a warm colorful fuzzy vtH screen w/pretty html pictures and buttons to click ... so that is what iM will give them ... are you suggesting that i go to nt from vms? i don't think  so!u   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2001 13:36:11 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)! Subject: vms declared unhackable!a= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110191236.651a6a22@posting.google.com>   B for those who didn't catch this, it is on compaqs openvms site ...# i hope carly at hp is reading this!a  ; http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvmstimes/openvmstimes.pdfn   DEF CON 9 Hackers &#8217;r Co vention declares  OpenVMS &#8220;cool &#8221;and &#8220;unhackable &#8221;e  7 DEF CON,a military term that refers to escalating mili-P7 tary conflict conditions,is also the name of a computerg> hackers &#8217;group that meets every year in Las Vegas.At the2 DEF CON 9 co vention,hackers from around the world5 get together to swap ideas,test and hone their hackero1 skills,and learn new techniques by playing a gameV called Capture the Flag.5 To many professionals in the computer business,takingn4 an OpenVMS system to a place where 4,300 hackers can7 try to break in for two and a half days is analogous toy1 walking into a back street bar and flashing money 9 around before stepping into the alley for some night air!/0 Three members of the Dallas Ft.Worth Compaq User3 Group (the DFWCUG)decided to take an OpenVMS systemo4 to DEF CON 9 and play Capture the Flag.The co tender6 was a Compaq AlphaStation &#8482;4/233 system with 512/ megabytes of memory,OpenVMS v.7.2-1H1 operating43 system,TCP/IP 5.0a,Apache,and Point Secure securityr8 software.All software was standard and installed out-of-4 the-box.Also loaded onto the system were a few added3 services such as WEBserver pages,i teractive Telnete4 accounts for any hackers who logged into the OpenVMS@ system to hack from the inside,and a public &#8220;Games &#8221;- account for hackers who got tired of hacking!y8 For two and a half days,the hackers bombarded the server7 with differe t TCP/IP attacks and some internal attacks 9 &#8212;but none of them was able to break the security orn2 hack into the OpenVMS server.Throughout the event,@ Point Secure Software &#8217;s System Detective Product recorded4 every attack and every keystroke,and gave the system. an extra layer of protection from the hackers!6 On the last day of the event,during the last half hour5 of the Capture the Flag co test,the judges put a notec6 on the scoreboard that they thought the &#8220;OpenVMS< system was virtually unhackable.&#8221;Immediately,all hack-4 ing attempts against the AlphaStation system ceased.8 For the last half hour of the co test,the OpenVMS system: coasted across the finish line with not one of the hackers4 bothering to waste their time on the OpenVMS server!4 At the DEF CON 9 wrap-up session,the judges declared? the OpenVMS server &#8220;cool &#8221;because its services weret2 co tinuously available and never hacked during the2 co test.The rest of the hacker teams also gave the? server &#8220;props &#8221;(kudos)as well because they were notm2 able to &#8220;root &#8221;the system or break in.5 Steve Smiley of the DFWCUG delivered a security whitef: paper on what was learned about the hackers &#8217;attacks. at CETS 2001 in Anaheim,California this month.- For more information,see the DFWCUG Quadwordse newsletter at www.dfwcug.org/ / Also visit www.defcon.org/,www.pointsecure.com/- and www.cets2001.com/-   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2001 16:47:15 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)r% Subject: Re: vms declared unhackable!-3 Message-ID: <YkT+UPKWmQDJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  h In article <d7791aa1.0110191236.651a6a22@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:D > for those who didn't catch this, it is on compaqs openvms site ...  0 It was on this newsgroup just after it happened.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:28:59 GMTo* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>5 Subject: Re: We've burned our boats say Compaq and HPn@ Message-ID: <Lh_z7.72328$%B.5567487@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  6 Dan Notov <dannoHATES_SPAM@large.com> wrote in message( news:tt0n1536sng73@corp.supernews.com... >e: > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:iaPp8D6hZb$f@eisner.encompasserve.org... 8 > > In article <3bcf1ba9$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman"/ > <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:oF > > >>It was an initiative to render Windows NT "industrial strength." > > > F > > > Thanks for explaining "SCULPTOR" but to whome does "well-dressed > gentleman ! > > > of Italian heritage" refer?y > >c > > >>   EP    <<r > >D > > Robe > Eckhard Pfeiffer?   E No - at least his accent sure didn't *sound* Italian.  I still wondereG whether he would made significantly better use of what he got from DEC.-   > Enrico Pesatori?  7 May he swim with and be eaten - slowly - by the fishes.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:16:40 +0200t. From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk>8 Subject: Re: X server and SET DISPLAY on different port?= Message-ID: <3bd06c55$0$42045$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk>a  H Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A03C1F.B4F4B513@SendSpamHere.ORG...E > Is it possible to run the DECwindows server such that it will use ad	 differentoL > port (a port other than port 6000)?  If so, can a SET DISPLAY command then be" > directed to this new port?  How?  	 By sayingW  =     $ set display/node=<node>/transport=tcpip/server=<number>e  I you direct the display to port 6000+<number>. That was the second half ofrF your problem - I'll be back, if I find the solution to the first half.       Best regards     Jesper Nauri   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.583 ************************