1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 20 Oct 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 584       Contents:8 Re: Determine IP Address of Server used by Telnet Client Re: It's Friday  RE: It's Friday : Re: Kerberos Client on OpenVMS, CSWS/APACHE, MOD_AUTH_KERB Re: LAT Queues wont start & Re: Mozilla 0.9.5 and file protections Once again, PGP and VMS  Re: Once again, PGP and VMS  Re: Printing to NLA0:? Re: Printing to NLA0:? Re: Printing to NLA0:? SAN versus cluster Re: SAN versus cluster Re: SAN versus cluster Re: SAN versus cluster Re: SAN versus cluster& Re: SMTP and POP vms 7.3 and tcpip 5.1$ Re: TCPIP HTTP EXITING BEFORE SOCKET; Re: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon!  Re: VTEST on Alpha" X.25 profile documentation wanted.& Re: X.25 profile documentation wanted.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 19:01:15 +1000 ( From: "Oz Strider" <ozstrider@yahoo.com>A Subject: Re: Determine IP Address of Server used by Telnet Client 3 Message-ID: <9qreg5$ho5$1@spacebar.ucc.usyd.edu.au>    Burnie,        Compaq TCPIP Version 5.0     VAX/ VMS 7.1   Thanks,   @ "Burnie Morgan" <burniem.NOSPAM@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message2 news:te80ttgg49hkubemo3sgmevjj89cequua0@4ax.com...6 > Can you please confirm which IP stack you are using; > UCX/TCPIP 	 > TCPware  > Multinet etc >  > H > On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:49:20 +1000, "Oz Strider" <ozstrider@yahoo.com> > wrote: > 	 > >G'Day,  > > K > >    With a VMS Server that has a primary and secondary IP address I need  toC > >determine, perhaps lexical function?, which IP Address was used.  > >  > >    Example:  > > + > >        Primary         IP   is  a.b.c.d ( > >        Secondary    IP   is  e.f.g.h > > ? > >    How can the login script  determined whether client used " > >        Telnet  a.b.c.d      or > >        Telnet  e.f.g.h > >  > >Thanking you in advance > >  > >  > >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:03:07 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: It's Friday( Message-ID: <9qrlha$mcd$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  ; I'd say he has VMS well integrated into his family life....     9 Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message : news:20011019170414.52772.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com..." Today is Friday in S.America too !+ My Alphaserver 1000 at home still beside my / drawers and I didnt have time to turn it on and 6 clean it...put some boards and install my hoobist kit.  - Do you have wife, children, mother, dogs ????  Dont you go out to the movie ?4 Dont you go out to walk in the park or ride a bike ?  ! My God.... you are VMS addicted !    Fabio       - --- Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote: $ > Well in most places on the planet. > 5 > For vague amusement, my 4000 VAX VMS system at home  > has another use, on 1 > it sits a jet printer throwing forth A4 sheets.  > 2 > The airflow / intakes around the drive bays just > capture the page before $ > it hits the deck. Who needs a dog? > 4 > Kinda reminds me of another story from a friend, I > can't guarantee it's5 > validity, but I've no reason to suspect it's wrong.  > . > Friend of mine went for a VMS admin job at a > publisher. Interview went 3 > really well, very well, getting on very well with  > the interviewer quite 
 > informally.  > 5 > Anyway, our fearless hero says "so where is the VMS  > system them?"  >  > "You've got your feet on it."  >  > ...He got the job. > --* > Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences > nclews at csc dot com      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 08:41:43 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: It's Friday9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEFMDHAA.tom@kednos.com>   J He's obviously not married, otherwise he would have to pick up his drawers   > -----Original Message-----) > From: Hans Vlems [mailto:hvlems@iae.nl] * > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 4:03 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Re: It's Friday >  > = > I'd say he has VMS well integrated into his family life....  >  > ; > Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message < > news:20011019170414.52772.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com...$ > Today is Friday in S.America too !- > My Alphaserver 1000 at home still beside my 1 > drawers and I didnt have time to turn it on and 8 > clean it...put some boards and install my hoobist kit. > / > Do you have wife, children, mother, dogs ????   > Dont you go out to the movie ?6 > Dont you go out to walk in the park or ride a bike ? > # > My God.... you are VMS addicted !  >  > Fabio  >  >  > / > --- Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote: & > > Well in most places on the planet. > > 7 > > For vague amusement, my 4000 VAX VMS system at home  > > has another use, on 3 > > it sits a jet printer throwing forth A4 sheets.  > > 4 > > The airflow / intakes around the drive bays just > > capture the page before & > > it hits the deck. Who needs a dog? > > 6 > > Kinda reminds me of another story from a friend, I > > can't guarantee it's7 > > validity, but I've no reason to suspect it's wrong.  > > 0 > > Friend of mine went for a VMS admin job at a > > publisher. Interview went 5 > > really well, very well, getting on very well with  > > the interviewer quite  > > informally.  > > 7 > > Anyway, our fearless hero says "so where is the VMS  > > system them?"  > > ! > > "You've got your feet on it."  > >  > > ...He got the job. > > --, > > Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences > > nclews at csc dot com  >  >  > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D N > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D  > F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brN > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D  > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?. > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:00:15 GMT 5 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@REMOVETHISossc.net> C Subject: Re: Kerberos Client on OpenVMS, CSWS/APACHE, MOD_AUTH_KERB D Message-ID: <PrfA7.1049238$ai2.79121939@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  L There are a few KRB*.H files which get unloaded with that VMS KRB kit.  TheyK contain all of the KRB headers that you need in a single file, which is not K a *portable* solution.  We build portable/ported Unix kerberos apps for the J TCPIP product using these files and a bunch of tricks (which you can email/ me for the details of) and there is no problem.    -John   J "j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818" <jlw@psulias.psu.edu> wrote in message% news:9qpr2c$uoc@r02n01.cac.psu.edu... K > I downloaded source code for MOD_AUTH_KERB, an apache module proported to  give, > Apache authentication thru a Kerberos KDC. > K > I started trying to compile it, only to trip across the absense of KRB5.H  on > my system. > K > Downloaded the KRB5-1.1.1 distribution from MIT onto a local Tru64 system  and J > exploded it.  Couldn't find a KRB5.H there, but did find a KRB5.HIN file which J > looks on first glance to be a blank cartridge for unix configuration; it might C > eventually become a KRB5.H file, but not in its present form.  It 
 definitelyE > did NOT, when I pulled it over to OpenVMS and renamed it as KRB5.H,  resolve  > my compilation issues ;-)  > F > Started looking and discovered a Kerberos Client package for OpenVMS releasedL > in May 2001.  Downloaded it and tried installing it; however this looks to be? > LITERALLY a client package, no source or include files in it.  >  > Any chance that somebody's > K > 1) Implemented MOD_AUTH_KERB for OpenVMS already and is willing to share? G > 2) Got the full KRB5 include set at least translated for OpenVMS so I  could  > possibly get (1) going here? > E > +-"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag 	 tapes"--+ 4 > | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance")            InterNet: Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu | D > | Systems Design Specialist - Lead       AT&T:      (814) 865-1818 | D > | Library Computing Services             FAX:       (814) 863-3560 | E > | E3 Paterno Library                     "I'd rather be dancing..."  | G > | Penn State University         A host is a host from coast to coast,  | G > | University Park, PA 16802     And no one will talk to a host that's  close | B > | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>  Unless the host that isn't close | 8 > | VMS GopherMeister             Is busy, hung or dead. | > > +------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take his wallet."-------+; >                 [apologies to DeForest Kelley, 1920-1999] 4 > <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a>L > <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a> >  > -- >       /"\ % >       \ /     ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN # >        X        AGAINST HTML MAIL  >       / \  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2001 09:54:43 -0700! From: hwong@my.ismart.net (hwong) " Subject: Re: LAT Queues wont start= Message-ID: <3feb222a.0110200854.631f31c4@posting.google.com>   6 1) Check if LATCP is in fact running by "$show system"  ( 2) Otherwise "$@sys$startup:lat$startup"  5 3) Then "$show device lta" to see if lta501: is there   - 4) Otherwise create the port by LATCP program   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3BD0CC8D.1E330C95@fsi.net>... > Piyush Avichal wrote:  > >  > > Hi,  > > Q > > I am experiencing a problem with my LAT queues. They seemed to have gone into O > > a stopped state and I am unable to restart them. I can restart normal batch Q > > queues and IP print queues, but any queues that are using LAT will not start. T > > I have other vaxes which have the same setup and those LAT queues are unaffected > > and work fine. > > P > > Printer queue CORPORATE_SECRETARIES_1$PRINT, stopped, autostart inactive, on) > > NEWDEV::LTA501:, mounted form DEFAULT  > > 9 > > NEWDEV(PA)$ start/queue CORPORATE_SECRETARIES_1$PRINT 1 > > %SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available  > > 8 > > Even stopping and reseting the queues has no effect. > > 0 > > Does anyone know what might be causing this? >  > One of at least two problems:  > C > 1. The logical name CORPORATE_SECRETARIES_1$PRINT is not DEFINEd.  > 1 > 2. The LTA device indicated by the logical name / > CORPORATE_SECRETARIES_1$PRINT does not exist.  > < > That should be enough to get you started in your search...   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Oct 2001 07:39:29 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) / Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.9.5 and file protections 5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-H353U55dx2J3@localhost>   / On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:22:58, "Craig A. Berry"  3 <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com> wrote:    snip  I > but I don't seem to be any closer to nailing it down.  I've seen it on  G > 7.2-1 systems and 7.3 systems, though it hasn't always been the same  J > file or files that end up with overly restrictive protections.  So, the H > problem space seems rather wide open and I guess I won't bug Bugzilla 1 > until I have an easy reproducer.  Thanks again.  > 
 > In article  @ > <craig.berry-F8CD41.22352416102001@newsrump.sjc.telocity.net>,G >  "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com> wrote:  > G > > The newest version of Mozilla still has problems if you install it  B > > under the SYSTEM account and then try to run it from another, K > > non-privileged account.  It gives the "Starting..." message, chugs for  J > > a bit, and then just quits with no error messages.  By using security : > > auditing, I determined that the following files under H > > SYS$COMMON:[MOZILLA] are installed with protections other than what  > > they need: > > , > >                            has     needs, > > component.reg              W:RE    W:RWE* > > [.components]xpti.dat      W:      W:R, > > [.components]xptitemp.dat  W:RE    W:RWE > > 5 > > Once I change the protections, Mozilla runs fine.   E One possibility not mentioned is a Default protection defined in the  > directory ACL. Mind you that would not explain the subsequent C behaviour described above. Ultimately. installations should ensure  D that access is set up to what is needed and not make assumptions. I = still get bitten by my own lack of attention to such things.    F On re-reading your original, the possibility that you'd run a command F file that did a SET DEFAULT comes to mind. But that would not explain A the different protections for the two files in the [.components]  A subdirectory. In fact, it makes a big hole in suppositions about  D default protection schemes being the cause, wherever they came from.  A Thinking further, leads me on to  observe that if the W:RWE _is_  F required, then the installer would have to set it itself because that F is rarely the default. I don't run Mozilla so I couldn't check even if I were at work.   @ You don't have anything running that changes the protection for A security purposes do you? A bit of DCL that normally changes the  F protection, does something, restores the original _but_ which did not 7 finish cleanly.  Backup, Defrag procedures for example.     Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:42:03 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>  Subject: Once again, PGP and VMS' Message-ID: <3BD12ACB.D0AE428A@home.nl>   F I am trying to find a PGP implementation for VMS. I found the links inF the FAQ, and although those links are ok, there is nothing to be found) (anymore) regarding a VMS implementation.   F I did find the GnuPG kit, but when I tried to compile it I got so manyF errors that I'm quite certain that this kit is nowhere near productionG status. The readme files included in the 1.0.4. kit tell us the same by  the way.  F PGP as a company is also dead (seems the products will go to MacAfee),/ so we can't expect a VMS port from them either.    Conclusion:  No PgP for VMS ?E Or maybe Compaq can make a PgP / GnuPG port as part of the e-business  product suite for VMS. ?A Or someone else is capable porting a PgP implementation for VMS ?    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2001 10:20:34 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> $ Subject: Re: Once again, PGP and VMS6 Message-ID: <20011020102034.28537.qmail@nym.alias.net>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  4 On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:G >I am trying to find a PGP implementation for VMS. I found the links in G >the FAQ, and although those links are ok, there is nothing to be found * >(anymore) regarding a VMS implementation.   PGP for VMS can be found here,  % http://www.pl.pgpi.org/platforms/vms/   G This is a very old version (2.6.3i) and only supports 1024 bit keys. It K will be limited in how well it can interoperate with PGP on other platforms ? because it does not support newer encryption algorithms such as  Diffie-Hellman.   G >I did find the GnuPG kit, but when I tried to compile it I got so many G >errors that I'm quite certain that this kit is nowhere near production H >status. The readme files included in the 1.0.4. kit tell us the same by	 >the way.   E I've not yet tried to build the GPG kit yet, rumour has it someone is I working on v1.0.6 and it may be incorporated into the main GPG code tree.   G >PGP as a company is also dead (seems the products will go to MacAfee), 0 >so we can't expect a VMS port from them either.  K NAI have put their PGP business up for sale, in the present climate I doubt  if they will find a buyer.     >Conclusion: >No PgP for VMS ? F >Or maybe Compaq can make a PgP / GnuPG port as part of the e-business >product suite for VMS. ? B >Or someone else is capable porting a PgP implementation for VMS ?  ; The full source code for v6.5.8 of PGP can be obtained from D http://www.ipgpp.com for anyone feeling brave enough to do the port.     Doc. - --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.net    -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----  Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBO9CwcsriC3SGiziTAQEUcAgAobPfF1M3HPKxg7kBpXlFRkObF+piZAcf@ h8MoPEc6yaxB669LqiaSr9g4o+OH61nLJCTOMQgTc4zG3Kv/VHYGsKIyiiiJM9yo@ ZNUvw4wQU1xtmANls7HPanVbwny4huGQnhYqHyi30SDQnJ1AtV6KgJkayn19UIJq@ CkzIffK1Lnogv/ig4zgYoerapZ4r1Vx+ywYPjjchtd0EEfGyT3oDzpZG9evTaDfk@ WcHqkU/yzuMdDxssdw897m2olEZ2uSd13cjiasUn7wgATgmxMDwjhb8tLSXGcvLG8 qAjpuPfkmh6Qp1wgUTWjVJWfQFc3Ex+iUIMtURmUxrW/D2/uf40GWA== =nSidG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----b   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:57:01 GMTp= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)n Subject: Re: Printing to NLA0:?-0 Message-ID: <00A03CC5.438FFCDF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <Y23A7.716$RL6.6796@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:a >In article <GLH7r3.AA9@world.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:u+ >:Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU> writes:A >:H >:>	Does anyone know a way to setup a print queue that will not actuallyA >:>print (or physically require a printer) a job submitted to it?  >:D >:The best way is to use the print symbiont modification routines toF >:create a "throwaway" print symbiont, that does nothing with the dataA >:and return success.  Or find someone who already has done this.  >WF >  http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/dbs-nullsymbiont/  * I have three NULLSYMbionts on my ftp site:    ftp://ftp.tmesis.com/NULLSMB.ZIP  E This file contains source for a NULL SYMbiont sourced in Bliss, C and  Macro32.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt             J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesa   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 05:45:37 -0700 (PDT):. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: Re: Printing to NLA0:?w@ Message-ID: <20011020124537.86979.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>   Why dont you :   $ STOP/QUE/RESET queue    6 It is simple. You dont print, but yiu have the jobs in- the queue and you can delete them after ! ! !1       Regardsl   Fc=20m, --- Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU> wrote:7 > =09Does anyone know a way to setup a print queue that  > will not actuallyi/ > print (or physically require a printer) a job  > submitted to it? >=205 > =09We have an application that for some print jobs,. > they don't want it to 5 > actually print any paper.  The application can't bew > changed, so I am trying to2 > come up with a workaround to essentially setup a > print queue to the nulla0 > device. :)  The application allows the user to > choose a print queue, so we 2 > wanted to try and setup a "bit bucket" queue for > when they want the print5 > operation (and it's other actions) to occur but noto > waste paper. >=208 > =09However, I don't think I can do this literally, can > I? >=20& > $ Initialize /Queue /On=3DNLA0: Test >=204 > =09If I start this queue, it will get an error of: >=201 > %SYSTEM-W-DEVALLOC, device already allocated to  > another user >=206 > =09Does anyone have any suggestions or areas to look > for help?  I could3 > not find anything like this in my searches of the. > FAQ. >=20
 > Regards, > Rick Dyson     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DCL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D  F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazila fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3DY  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2001 07:53:05 -05009 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)e Subject: Re: Printing to NLA0:?m3 Message-ID: <dzpKYSod+DCb@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  S In article <3BD0A250.874DEC8C@UIowa.EDU>, Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU> writes:aG > 	Does anyone know a way to setup a print queue that will not actually:@ > print (or physically require a printer) a job submitted to it? > I > 	We have an application that for some print jobs, they don't want it toeP > actually print any paper.  The application can't be changed, so I am trying toJ > come up with a workaround to essentially setup a print queue to the nullL > device. :)  The application allows the user to choose a print queue, so weK > wanted to try and setup a "bit bucket" queue for when they want the print B > operation (and it's other actions) to occur but not waste paper. > 9 > 	However, I don't think I can do this literally, can I?a > $ > $ Initialize /Queue /On=NLA0: Test > 2 > 	If I start this queue, it will get an error of: > > > %SYSTEM-W-DEVALLOC, device already allocated to another user > G > 	Does anyone have any suggestions or areas to look for help?  I could 8 > not find anything like this in my searches of the FAQ. > 
 > Regards, > Rick Dyson    H Am I missing something here. Set up a regular print que to a device thatF doesn't exist (say a TELNET queue to an invalid IP address). The queueJ exists, but it will be stoped. You can queue all the files you want to theI queue, and nothing will ever print. Periodically delete all the jobs from 
 the queue.        4 	Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 05:08:44 -0400w- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: SAN versus cluster , Message-ID: <3BD13F0D.37D2D013@videotron.ca>  G If you have two unix hosts sharing a file system through a SAN, is that H extremely different in real functionality compared to two VMS nodes in a cluster sharing their storage ?   K Can a SNA actually share the same disk amongst many nodes/instances  of the K same OS ? Or must these OS instance be in their own version of a cluster to=2 enable whatever disk sharing techniqeus they use ?  K For instance, if you have a news server where one node's role is to receivenM the feed and store the new posts on disks, one node's role is to clean up old-J posts, and another node is to serve client,s access to the news posts, how? does the lack of locking across a cluster impact such a setup ?l  K Can a SAN return a "record locked" status when a node makes an IO request ?1J (eg: is it philosophically possible for a SAN to handle all locking on theI disks it manages and have the hosts offload all disk locking to the SAN ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:12:04 +0200p From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: SAN versus clusterh' Message-ID: <3BD14DF3.6F1161F2@home.nl>u  Q SAN does not have any special functionality realy. It is nothing else as a seriallM SCSI connection over fibrechannel. Apart from the fact that you can have more@N paths to a disk, all SAN disks are just 'normal' disks like you know them fromP SCSI or CI. So you deal with them exactly the same as you would deal with normal disks.  O For instance connecting two non-clustered VMS nodes to one SAN disk is possible N from the SAN pont of view, but not very clever :-)). It will ruin your disk if  both systems try to write to it.  O All the functionality you would like to see, should be part of the OS involved.o1 It is certainly not part of the SAN architecture.i   Regards,   Dirk   JF Mezei wrote:,  I > If you have two unix hosts sharing a file system through a SAN, is thatvJ > extremely different in real functionality compared to two VMS nodes in a! > cluster sharing their storage ?c >rM > Can a SNA actually share the same disk amongst many nodes/instances  of theiM > same OS ? Or must these OS instance be in their own version of a cluster toa4 > enable whatever disk sharing techniqeus they use ? >tM > For instance, if you have a news server where one node's role is to receiveiO > the feed and store the new posts on disks, one node's role is to clean up oldVL > posts, and another node is to serve client,s access to the news posts, howA > does the lack of locking across a cluster impact such a setup ?a > M > Can a SAN return a "record locked" status when a node makes an IO request ?mL > (eg: is it philosophically possible for a SAN to handle all locking on theK > disks it manages and have the hosts offload all disk locking to the SAN ?b   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:56:06 +0200i" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: SAN versus clusterr( Message-ID: <9qrl45$lja$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  J AFAIK a SAN is boxed storage made available to one or more remote systems.
 None of thosecL systems have to run the same O/S. At the same time none of these systems are aware of the others'K in the same sense that VMS cluster nodes are aware of each others presence.oK So a SAN is not a substitute for cluster technology. Its sole purpose is toh allow you to manage diskL storage as one entity. So disk space is easier to add and to distribute (per disk) to the connectedI systems. Backups are made unaware of the filesystems that are actually on  the DASD. This is-F similar to making physical backups, block by block, so individual file restores are not possible.  8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3BD13F0D.37D2D013@videotron.ca...I > If you have two unix hosts sharing a file system through a SAN, is thatyJ > extremely different in real functionality compared to two VMS nodes in a! > cluster sharing their storage ?t > I > Can a SNA actually share the same disk amongst many nodes/instances  ofa thewJ > same OS ? Or must these OS instance be in their own version of a cluster to4 > enable whatever disk sharing techniqeus they use ? >yE > For instance, if you have a news server where one node's role is toa receiveIK > the feed and store the new posts on disks, one node's role is to clean upa old L > posts, and another node is to serve client,s access to the news posts, howA > does the lack of locking across a cluster impact such a setup ?r >eK > Can a SAN return a "record locked" status when a node makes an IO requestE ?VL > (eg: is it philosophically possible for a SAN to handle all locking on theK > disks it manages and have the hosts offload all disk locking to the SAN ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:09:39 GMTs* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: SAN versus cluster @ Message-ID: <nIeA7.81646$%B.6310281@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3BD13F0D.37D2D013@videotron.ca...I > If you have two unix hosts sharing a file system through a SAN, is thatcJ > extremely different in real functionality compared to two VMS nodes in a! > cluster sharing their storage ?t  G Extremely?  No:  various third-party SAN file systems (from Tivoli, HP,iH ADIC, EMC, Avid, Veritas, and likely others) allow concurrent multi-hostA access to data using a central meta-data server rather than VMS'seL fully-distributed coordination, and this is adequate to scale to most needs.   > I > Can a SNA actually share the same disk amongst many nodes/instances  ofe the  > same OS ?    Yes.  B  Or must these OS instance be in their own version of a cluster to4 > enable whatever disk sharing techniqeus they use ?  K If any want to write to the disk, they must cooperate in some way to obtaina consistent results.4   >0E > For instance, if you have a news server where one node's role is to. receiveeK > the feed and store the new posts on disks, one node's role is to clean upe old L > posts, and another node is to serve client,s access to the news posts, howA > does the lack of locking across a cluster impact such a setup ?s   Yes:  it makes it impossible.t   >uK > Can a SAN return a "record locked" status when a node makes an IO requestn ?t   No.   L > (eg: is it philosophically possible for a SAN to handle all locking on theK > disks it manages and have the hosts offload all disk locking to the SAN ?   K No:  SANs don't understand locking at any level, let alone at the record or  file level.W  E A SAN (when interpreted as 'storage area network') is simply a way of C connecting one or more storage devices to one or more hosts (if you J interpret it as 'system area network', the hosts can use it to communicateK with each other as well).  It does not in any way mediate between the hostst and the storage.  K Some components in the SAN, however, may add intelligence to it - but it is G device-level intelligence rather than file-level intelligence.  E.g., a K switch may allow certain hosts to see only certain devices (I suppose that, H knowing the access protocol, some switches could even restrict access toI block ranges on a given device, but I don't happen to know if any provideeI such fine-grained facilities), or an interceding 'storage virtualization'cI box may present the storage behind it in a logical rather than a physical L manner (e.g., such that a logical device can 'grow' as more physical devices are added).t  I To share data concurrently on a SAN when one or more writers are present, J you need intelligence in the cooperating hosts.  Cluster-level cooperationH is not necessary:  it's possible to create a 'SAN file system' that actsK very much like sharing a NAS-style 'server appliance' (save that the hosts,iI having direct access to the storage devices, must trust each other a good J deal more to respect file-level access controls) without otherwise bindingI the hosts together, and www.polyserve.com describes one such that appearsDH quite similar to what VMS's cluster file system should have evolved to a long time ago.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 16:09:46 GMTu$ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> Subject: Re: SAN versus clusterk7 Message-ID: <20011020.111029.532670688.6754@ewilts.org>t  7 In article <3BD13F0D.37D2D013@videotron.ca>, "JF Mezei"i% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:n  I > If you have two unix hosts sharing a file system through a SAN, is thataJ > extremely different in real functionality compared to two VMS nodes in a! > cluster sharing their storage ?o  I A SAN is a disk controller - nothing more, nothing less.  I manage an EMCbI Symmetrix as well as a VMS cluster, so I know what I'm talking about...  PI I have Solaris hosts accessing my Symmetrix - access to them is strictly tF controlled (by the Symmetrix bin file, the Volume Logix software, and C host-based Veritas clustering).  Although all 3 of my Solaris can  1E mount the same disk at the same time, if any two of them try without -2 cluster locking, they'll quickly corrupt the data.  I You can physically connect two non-clustered VMS hosts to the same CI andiN write to the same disk controller.  That's a poor man's SAN.  If both write to* the same disk, you'll get disk corruption.  I A SAN does not imply a lock manager in any way.  That's a software issue,hF and the SAN is, as I said, nothing more than a shared disk controller.   	.../Edi -- n Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts@ewilts.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:12:49 +0200H" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>/ Subject: Re: SMTP and POP vms 7.3 and tcpip 5.1 ( Message-ID: <9qrm3g$o20$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  K The error message seems to indicate that the destination mail server cannot.	 be found.sH Mail delivery can be done in two ways: 1: send the Email to a smtp relay system and letK that system sort out the delivery or, 2: do the name-to-address transaltion 	 yourself.PG ISP's tend to stop offering option 1 because it makes them a target fors spam.nJ Option 2 means that you've got to have access to a domain name server. The DNS databaseJ has MX records that return the required information, i.e. an IP address of the destination  server.b   Hans  0 Steven <sthompson@accessnet.es> wrote in message" news:3bd0381b_2@news.arrakis.es...	 > Hi Jouke > K > The RELAY switch was the obvious point to mention and I didn't, sorry! It. is
 > a RELAY.C > The only way to block relays is then with the SMTP.CONFIG file...h > / > However, I don't get a SPAMMING type error...m >, > VMS gives me this error... > $ : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-OCT-2001 16:17:01.36  %%%%%%%%%%%( > Message from user TCPIP$SMTP on MYNODEJ > TCPIP-W-SMTP_UNRSLVMF, MAIL FROM:< <someone@somewhere>> has unresolvable > domain >fJ > (someone@somewhere equates to a valid VMS user on the registered domain)/ > Again the SMTP CONFIGURATION maybe has a cluen >I > SMTP ConfigurationL >                                                                    OptionsL > Initial interval:   0 00:30:00.00       Address_max:    16       EIGHT_BITH > Retry interval:     0 01:00:00.00       Hop_count_max:  16       RELAY# > Maximum interval:   3 00:00:00.001 TOP_HEADERSp >rI > Timeout             Initial       Mail    Receipt       Data  TerminatePI >   Send:                   5          5          5          3         10a >   Receive:                5. >c! > Alternate gateway:  not defineds! > General gateway:    not definedi > * > Substitute domain:  HIDDEN, MYDOMAIN.COM" > Zone:               MYDOMAIN.COM >s  > Postmaster:         TCPIP$SMTPE > Log file:           SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOGh >w2 > Generic queue       Queues   Participating nodes >n% > TCPIP$SMTP_MYNODE_00   1     MYNODE  > TCPIP>B > ---------------------------------------------------------------- >aB > "Jouk Jansen" <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> escribi en el mensaje/ > news:3BD04D1F.6D138A31@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl...s > > Steven wrote:w > > >m > > > Hello grouprL > > > I've set up vms 7.3 and tcpip 5.1 to provide an Internet mail service.J > > > (5.1 according to the book has interesting possibilities on blocking > SPAM)o > > >nC > > > Almost everything works fine... TELNETs FTPs NTPs DNS  etc...b1 > > > (Theres' always something that goes wrong!) K > > > The server receives mails from the internet  and delivers them to therL > > > several VMS users I have active. Mails can be read logging on as a VMS > userL > > > or from a PC using E.g. "Outlook" configured to read the mail from the > VMSi > > > users account. > > >cJ > > > What I cannot do is SEND a mail anywhere on the net from a PC on the > same5 > > > LAN as the Alpha or externally on the Internet.R > > > I get...L > > > Protocol: SMTP, Server Reply: '550 That sender address is unresolvable > intoF > > > a host name or MX domain.', Port: 25, Security (SSL): No, Server Error: > 550, > > > Error Number: 0x800CCC78.s > > >pD > > > My Alpha is the only MX for it's domain as it's not a critical service, > soK > > > using the "$ TCPIP SET MX" command doesn't seem to make much sense... K > > > I've varied the logical TCPIP$SMTP_MX_IF_NOALTGATE true or false withn no > > > change on the result.y< > > > DNS as a resolver or a Master doesn't change anything! > > >uG > > > The domain is registered and the ISP allows me to make my own DNSo > entries onE > > > his servers. I have a MX entry on his server which points to myt > firewall.p > > > I > > > Happy weekend, I'll be back Wednesday or Thursday should anybody be 4 > > > enthusiastic enough to ask me a question or 2! > > >? > > If you typea > > $tcpip show conf smtptJ > > what does it tell about the "options" is it RELAY or NORELAY. ProbablyJ > > NORELAY, which means that remote machines, like your Pc's, cannot send > > mail via your VMS-system.a > >t > >           Jouk >c >d   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:39:43 GMTe5 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@REMOVETHISossc.net>D- Subject: Re: TCPIP HTTP EXITING BEFORE SOCKETD@ Message-ID: <z8fA7.81717$%B.6331841@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  I Look at the service's log files.  Apparently the process is being started=J but it exits without picking up (accepting) the socket that the INETACP is passing to it on creation.  H This could be a privilege error, or even missing logical names (i.e. youJ started TCPIP but didn't start the HTTP server using its own start command procedure in SYS$STARTUP).   -Johnw  C "Hansford, Paul (ELS)" <P.Hansford@elsevier.co.uk> wrote in messageoL news:FFDBA0B630B5D211954E0008C70D240D05B6CAAC@elsoxfs12304.elsevier.co.uk... > Hi, we are running9 > DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A 8 > on a AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB running OpenVMS V7.2-1 >l > The Http service is enabledi > TCPIP> sho serv http/fue > Service: HTTPW > State: Enabled) > Port: 80 Protocol: TCP Address: 0.0.0.0n. > Inactivity: 5 User_name: HTTPD Process: HTTP > Limit: 1 Active: 0 Peak: 1 > File: TCPIP$SERVICE  > Flags: Listen  > Socket Opts: Rcheck Scheck > Receive: 0 Send: 0 > Log Opts:  > Log file:      not defined
 > Security > Reject msg: not definedt > Accept host: 0.0.0.0 > Accept netw: 0.0.0.0  > TCPIP> sho dev/service=http/fu1 > Device_socket: bg2696 Type: STREAM LOCAL REMOTE. > Port: 80 0 > Host: 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0o > Service: HTTPc >I > RECEIVE SEND > Queued I/O 0 0! > Q0LEN 0 Socket buffer bytes 0 0q( > QLEN 0 Socket buffer quota 32768 32768! > QLIMIT 5 Total buffer alloc 0 0c* > TIMEO 0 Total buffer limit 262144 262144! > ERROR 0 Buffer or I/O waits 0 0f# > OOBMARK 0 Buffer or I/O drops 0 0n > I/O completed 78 0 > Bytes transferred 0 0e >d > Options: ACCEPT REUSEADR
 > State: PRIVg > RCV Buff: None > SND Buff: None >d8 > We cannot access the website, we could before a reboot= > The nameserver resolves fine we are getting console messagen >e& > Message from user INTERnet on COUGAR4 > INTERnet ACP detected HTTP exiting before 'socket' > " > Any suggestions are very welcome >t	 > Regardst > Paul > Paul Hansfordo > VMS System Manager > Elsevier Science Ltd >  >,   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 06:19:28 GMTa* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>D Subject: Re: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon!D Message-ID: <QH8A7.1044489$ai2.78834387@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messager7 news:d7791aa1.0110191131.389d5466@posting.google.com...   D > ... are you suggesting that i go to nt from vms? i don't think so!  > Another odd statement.... you are adding 2 + 2 and getting 13.= I'm not quite sure why you construe almost every reply to one 7 of your messages to be an attack. That kind of thinkinge< belongs over on slashdot.org not in the relatively civilized atmosphere here.  : If ALL a screen scraper did was provide a GUI look/ability< to a terminal session it wouldn't be much of an improvement.7 And just because the "screen scraper" is producing htmlh> that you can add your own html to doesn't make it a non-screen; scraper. I see no evidence that the product you want us alls6 to try is nothing more than a glorified html producing screen-scraper.-   -Andy-   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:40:58 +0200o  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: VTEST on Alpha.+ Message-ID: <VA.00000484.1ebb944d@sture.ch>p  I In article <Y5pz7.9518$cy.765895@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Paul v
 Dennis wrote:.
 > Hey all, > M > We're using a DTM type product called VTEST on our VAXes.  We're porting todM > Alpha but we can't get hold of the original proprietor of the s/w to see ife > it's available.w > L > Has anyone here (a) used it (b) know if a version exists for Alpha and (c)$ > know how/where it can be acquired? > K I hate to bring bad news, but yesterday I discovered that Cyrano filed for tJ liquidation on 9-Oct-2001. See http://cyrano.com/news/oct1001_fr.html for C confirmation of that, although it's in French and legalese at that.u  I Here's what I found by plugging the Reuter code CYRA_LN into a financial s	 newswire:l   >From 9-Oct-2001  @ PARIS (AFX) - Le groupe Cyrano, spcialis dans les logiciels deK test, a annonc mardi qu'il tait contraint de se mettre en liquidation, lauJ socit n'tant plus en mesure de faire face  ses obligations  partir de la fin du mois d'octobre.eK "Aucune des diffrentes pistes tudies en vue de permettre  la socit deqI financer sa priode d'observation et de prsenter un plan de continuatione" n'not abouti", constate le groupe.K L'tat du march et l'extrme prudence des socits de capital-risque n'ont,G pas permis de cder les actifs non-stratgiques et de dgager ainsi lesoL moyens de financement ncessaires  la prsentation du plan de continuation, explique notamment Cyrano.H En mai, la socit, cote au Nouveau March de la Bourse de Paris, avaitD dj annonc la mise en place d'un plan social concernant quelque 25
 personnes.C A l'issue de ce plan social, la socit devait compter 90 salaris.-D Le titre avait t suspendu en cours de journe, dans l'attente d'un communiqu.   M Here's a rough translation of that, sorry if it sounds a bit stilted, but it I _is_ Saturday morning :-)d   ------- L PARIS (AFX) - The group Cyrano, specializing in test software, announced on J Tuesday that it was obliged to put itself in liquidation, the corporation J being unable to face its obligations from the end of the month of October.  M "None of the different routes considered to allow the corporation to finance oI itself and to produce a continuation plan have resulted", note the group.   M The state of the market and the extreme prudence of capital-risk corporationstK have not allowed us to divest ourselves of non-core strategies and release h. funds for a continuation plan, explain Cyrano.  K In May, the corporation, quoted on the New Market of the Paris Bourse, had  L already announced a redundancy plan for some 25 persons.  At the outcome of N this redundancy plan, the corporation would have had 90 staff. The shares had = been suspended in the course of the day, pending a statement.    -------g     ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerlande   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:53:24 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>+ Subject: X.25 profile documentation wanted. ' Message-ID: <3BD12D73.5AE0C088@home.nl>   H A the moment I am working on some X.25 connections, using Decnis routers8 (latest software version, 4.1.1), VMS 7.2 and Tru64 5.1.E We are using a private X.25 network, and I'm trying to find the righteH profile for this network. It used to be that Compaq had a nice book withD the names and settings for all X.25 profiles that they supplied, but that was around 1987 or so.IH These days I can't find any information about the profiles I can choose,G not the names and not the contents of the profiles. Furthermore I wouldkH like to know what is in the profiles, except for the obvious things likeH window sizes and other configurable items. Are there any settings in the2 profiles that can not be changed by NCL commands ?   Regards,   Dirk   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:22:22 +0100s+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> / Subject: Re: X.25 profile documentation wanted.m' Message-ID: <3BD15E6E.84F18C7C@iee.org>f   Dirk Munk wrote: > J > A the moment I am working on some X.25 connections, using Decnis routers: > (latest software version, 4.1.1), VMS 7.2 and Tru64 5.1.  1 I thought the latest (and last) version was 4.1.7r  G > We are using a private X.25 network, and I'm trying to find the rightrJ > profile for this network. It used to be that Compaq had a nice book with  , For anything built in the last decade or so,( ISO8208 or one of its variants is almost. certainly what you want. Most modern switches  would support this.t  F > the names and settings for all X.25 profiles that they supplied, but > that was around 1987 or so.aJ > These days I can't find any information about the profiles I can choose,  . Look at SYS$HELP:FCNS$NI.TXT (you nee the X25 * part of DECnet-Plus installed to have this+ file ... I can mail it to you if you cannots locate it).o  I > not the names and not the contents of the profiles. Furthermore I wouldlJ > like to know what is in the profiles, except for the obvious things likeJ > window sizes and other configurable items. Are there any settings in the4 > profiles that can not be changed by NCL commands ?  - The profile describes a whole bunch of stuff,o, such as whether to poll with SABM or DM, the, ranges for the various LAPB and Packet Layer parameters and so on.l  % Almost none of this can be overriden n& by NCL commands. The point of profiles* was to avoid having many, many parameters,0 all of which the manager would have to get right3 for the link to work. Instead a set of pre-packagedt/ parameters were supplied for each known networks type.a   Antoniot   -- s   ---------------u- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgi   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.584 ************************