1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 21 Oct 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 585       Contents: Re: Changing File Attributes Re: Changing File Attributes Re: Changing File Attributes Re: DECNET ping equivalent? 3 Re: DS10 6/600's in stock with NEW VMS EIP Licenses & Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors& Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors: Re: Kerberos Client on OpenVMS, CSWS/APACHE, MOD_AUTH_KERB) Re: New to OpenVMS - Looking for software  Re: Port to VMS  Re: SAN versus cluster7 Re: SEDT problems on RedHat 7.1 (was Re: EDT for Linux) 7 Re: SEDT problems on RedHat 7.1 (was Re: EDT for Linux) ; Re: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon! ; RE: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon! ; Re: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon!  Re: VTEST on Alpha  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2001 19:58:20 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)% Subject: Re: Changing File Attributes = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110201858.17502809@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3BD0A9D7.85B6C82E@videotron.ca>...  > arturo saavedra wrote:B > > Record format:      Stream, maximum 79 bytes, longest 79 bytes > > Record attributes:  None >   H > > To varialble length format ( longest 79 bytes ) and carriage return,, > > carriage return as the record attribute. > J > A "stream" without record attributes is just a stream of bytes. Variable+ > length files have the concept of records.  > P > You need to know about the contents of the file. For instance, if it is a fileU > where records are delimited with a life feed character, you could do the following:  > L > SET FILE myfile.data/ATTRIB=(RFM:STMLF)   (HELP SET FILE /ATTRIB gives you > various attributes)  > N > Once the file is in Stream-LF setting, the VMS system will be able to see itB > as a file made up of records each delimited by the LF character. > O > If the file is small, you can just EDIT/TPU myfile.data and issue the "WRITE" = > command which will create a variable length file and voila.  > O > If the file is large, you might want to use CONVERT/FDL to do the job. You'll M > need to provide a file definition language file (FDL) that will specify the S > target file format. The CONVERT/FDL will then change the actual data in the file.  > P > To get an FDL file, you can use ANA/RMS/FDL knownfile.data  on a file you knowP > has the right attributes. Then use the .FDL file that was created (cutting outG > a lot fo the obviousl stuff not needed) as a base to use the convert.   J i would suggest re-ftping the file ... the ideal format to send or receiveI files from vms to toher systems is stream lf ... then you could do one of + 3 things to put it into variable seq format   
 1. use an fdl ! 2. edit with edt or eve then exit F 3. write a quick app (i.e. synergy dibol) and open the file for output     with the desired format   J if you have just a stream file with variable length records then i suggest3 edt and a lot of patience if it is a large file ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:01:24 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> % Subject: Re: Changing File Attributes ' Message-ID: <3BD24894.908AAA46@fsi.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > arturo saavedra wrote:B > > Record format:      Stream, maximum 79 bytes, longest 79 bytes > > Record attributes:  None > H > > To varialble length format ( longest 79 bytes ) and carriage return,, > > carriage return as the record attribute. > J > A "stream" without record attributes is just a stream of bytes. Variable+ > length files have the concept of records.   F In VMS-land, the Stream record format means that records are separatedH by a <CR><LF> pair (a.k.a. "DOS/Windows" format). A "binary" ("stream of> bytes") file is typically Fixed-512 with no record attributes.  7 The existing record attributes are very likely correct.    An easy CONVERT would be:    $ COPY NLA0: TARGET.SEQ + $ APPEND DLR_XF_TARGET_UUIDS.TXT TARGET.SEQ   < Complaints about incompatible attributes can be ignored. ForF verification, check DUMP of the TARGET.SEQ and DUMP/RECORD of both the source and target.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 01:12:25 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> % Subject: Re: Changing File Attributes + Message-ID: <3BD25938.BE41868@videotron.ca>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote:D > > > Record format:      Stream, maximum 79 bytes, longest 79 bytes > > > Record attributes:  None  H > In VMS-land, the Stream record format means that records are separatedJ > by a <CR><LF> pair (a.k.a. "DOS/Windows" format). A "binary" ("stream of@ > bytes") file is typically Fixed-512 with no record attributes.  M But a "stream" file in VMS is akin to a fixed format 512 byte one in terms of N contents. STREAMLF or STREAMCR would be the ones where VMS would automaticallyT see an end of record when it get a CR, LF or CRLF depending on the other attributes.  M The other suggestion of re-FTPing the file is good also, making sure that the I file is transfered in TEXT/ASCII mode. But the poster woudl still have to S convert it to a variable length record file afterwards. (with convert or with TPU).    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2001 19:22:33 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)$ Subject: Re: DECNET ping equivalent?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110201822.6be276d8@posting.google.com>   a Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message news:<87g08fpczu.fsf@prep.synonet.com>... 7 > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> writes:  > H > > but does it reach out and "touch" the requested node like ping does?F > > Maybe I am wrong and it does, can't test at the moment as I am VMS
 > > deprived.  >   D > > Anyway, you don't get packet loss figures like you do with ping. > 
 > OK then," > $ mc ncp sho node <foo> counters > if you will. > @ > When the node come up, it hellos the adjacent nodes. It or oneE > of its adjacent nodes MUST be a router except in the case of a full B > adjacent net. So the status is propergated via the routing info. > 4 > This is a real network, 'reachable' is for real ;)  . thank you for clarifying what i said above ... $ mcr ncp sho kno nod H does show the state of nodes on the network (reachable, unreachable) ...' someone above stated that it didn't ...    $ mcr ncp sh kno nod  7   shows the current state (reachable or unreachable) in I   decnet phase iv ... it also shows active links, delay, circuit and next L   node ... if you have a large network, making your node a routing node will<   give you info about the entire network ... you can then do  # $ mcr ncp sh kno nod to xxxxxx.xxx;   / to capture the output and parse accordingly ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 16:57:47 -0400 0 From: "Island Computers" <dbturner@islandco.com>< Subject: Re: DS10 6/600's in stock with NEW VMS EIP Licenses/ Message-ID: <tt3orgnd03p1c9@news.supernews.com>   & It was a typo - should have read $6599  ' Sorry abou that - hate to confuse y'all        -- David Turner   We sell Alpha systems & parts  http://www.islandco.com  sales@islandco.com Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory Street  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0096 5 Peter LANGSTOEGER <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in message $ news:3bcd7faa$1@news.kapsch.co.at...D > In article <tsgm07ft2p3haa@news.supernews.com>, "Island Computers" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes: D > >We have 4 of these in stock - These are in extremely short supply > > . > >In Unused condition with 12 months warranty > > 
 > >DS10 6/600 . > >256MB DEC (not installed - for maintenance)3 > >1GB Memory (Camintonn carries lifetime warranty) 8 > >18GB 10KRPM U2SCSI (Seagate carries 3 Years warranty) > >Ultra2 SCSI Controller  > >High Speed CD ROM and FLoppy  > >3DLabs Oxygen VX1 32MB PCI  > >All Cabling included  > >LK46W-A2 VMS Style Keyboard > >3 Button Mouse  > >  > >Price each is $7599 > 7 > Why is this system more expensive than your offer at:  > / > http://www.islandco.com/specials/ds10-600.htm  > , > DS10/600/512MB/16GB SCSI/VX1/VMS-EIP $63996 > $1200 for 512MB RAM more doesn't seem appropriate... >  > Just curious >  > --> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 > > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2001 19:42:32 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)/ Subject: Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110201842.6d7fdc32@posting.google.com>   n "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message news:<w6Yz7.698$RL6.6824@news.cpqcorp.net>...# > Bob Ceculski wrote in message ...  > > I > >we will not move from alpha vms to itanic vms if the following is true  > >... > >  > > 4 > >but the itanium can not replace the alpha at all:G > >- what is with the hardware failure detection mechanism of the alpha H > >cpu? a defective memory never crashes a machine - itanium will do so. > >  >  > : > Excuse me?  What in the heck are you trying to say here? >  >   C i am not trying to say anything ... i cut this out of someone elses ? post elsewhere on this board ... i don't know much about itanic E architecture and was stating that if this was true, then we would not 4 port from a stable alpha box to itanic blue screens!   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 03:26:25 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>/ Subject: Re: Higher prices for Alpha processors > Message-ID: <BfrA7.138214$vq.31954739@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0110201842.6d7fdc32@posting.google.com... B > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- news:<w6Yz7.698$RL6.6824@news.cpqcorp.net>... % > > Bob Ceculski wrote in message ...  > > > K > > >we will not move from alpha vms to itanic vms if the following is true  > > >... > > >  > > > 6 > > >but the itanium can not replace the alpha at all:I > > >- what is with the hardware failure detection mechanism of the alpha J > > >cpu? a defective memory never crashes a machine - itanium will do so. > > >  > >  > > < > > Excuse me?  What in the heck are you trying to say here? > >  > >  > E > i am not trying to say anything ... i cut this out of someone elses A > post elsewhere on this board ... i don't know much about itanic G > architecture and was stating that if this was true, then we would not 6 > port from a stable alpha box to itanic blue screens!  C I kinda doubt that the folks in OpenVMS Engineering would port to a * potential blue-screen environment, either.  I Itanium memory management is very amenable to VMS. No major hurdles here,  just some tweaks.   E You might want to take a look at Clair Grant's CETS2001 presentation, H "OpenVMS on the Itanium Processor Family." It does a good job explainingI what's involved in the port and what will result (hasta la vista PALcode,  hardware dependencies, etc).   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2001 18:21:35 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)C Subject: Re: Kerberos Client on OpenVMS, CSWS/APACHE, MOD_AUTH_KERB < Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110201721.8bdade9@posting.google.com>  p jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) wrote in message news:<9qpr2c$uoc@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>...P > I downloaded source code for MOD_AUTH_KERB, an apache module proported to give, > Apache authentication thru a Kerberos KDC. > N > I started trying to compile it, only to trip across the absense of KRB5.H on > my system. > O > Downloaded the KRB5-1.1.1 distribution from MIT onto a local Tru64 system and P > exploded it.  Couldn't find a KRB5.H there, but did find a KRB5.HIN file whichP > looks on first glance to be a blank cartridge for unix configuration; it mightN > eventually become a KRB5.H file, but not in its present form.  It definitelyM > did NOT, when I pulled it over to OpenVMS and renamed it as KRB5.H, resolve  > my compilation issues ;-)  > O > Started looking and discovered a Kerberos Client package for OpenVMS released O > in May 2001.  Downloaded it and tried installing it; however this looks to be ? > LITERALLY a client package, no source or include files in it.  >  > Any chance that somebody's > K > 1) Implemented MOD_AUTH_KERB for OpenVMS already and is willing to share? M > 2) Got the full KRB5 include set at least translated for OpenVMS so I could  > 	possibly get (1) going here?  > O > +-"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag tapes"--+ P > | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance")            InterNet:  Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu | O > | Systems Design Specialist - Lead       AT&T:      (814) 865-1818          | O > | Library Computing Services             FAX:       (814) 863-3560          | O > | E3 Paterno Library                     "I'd rather be dancing..."         | O > | Penn State University         A host is a host from coast to coast,       | O > | University Park, PA 16802     And no one will talk to a host that's close | O > | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>  Unless the host that isn't close            | O > | VMS GopherMeister             Is busy, hung or dead.                      | O > +------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take his wallet."-------+ ; >                 [apologies to DeForest Kelley, 1920-1999] 5 > <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a>  L > <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a>    N it usually is best to wait for the apache group to port the mods and test themP before use ... we tried to download and run cocoon but ran into several problemsN trying to do so ... not a good idea for use in production ... too many unknown
 variables!   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2001 19:03:36 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)2 Subject: Re: New to OpenVMS - Looking for software= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110201803.344b18d9@posting.google.com>   g "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> wrote in message news:<w9Rz7.319$G%4.20961@ozemail.com.au>...  > <all snipped> ( > they only wanted you to use lower case > Phil  E that isn't what it looked like to me ... i know many people that work D in caps ... vms doesn't normally care ... and i like caps, esp. whenH programming ... mcba dibol got me started ... and i like it!  and i knowF a lot of other people that like and work w/caps also ... w/vms this is not something new!   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2001 17:39:30 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: Port to VMS= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110201639.7565af45@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3BD082FE.5AF4E3C5@videotron.ca>... * > The Apache port to VMS is a port to VMS. > P > the OSU web server was built for VMS and has been running for quite some time.K > It *probably* also has performance advantages because it makes use of VMS N > instead of the others who assume they are on unix. (I say probably because I  > haven't tried the Apache one). >  >   B we started out trying osu web server ... configuration is not easyG especially ssl and is a thread based web server ... the best web server E designed for vms is purveyor ... it's process based and we found with F head to head testing w/both osu and apache that purveyor combined withF tcpware ip stack is the crispest performer of the bunch and it is veryG powerful and very easy to configure and maintain (html management menu) F was used by digital on vms for their web sites and also has a terrificE proxy server built in that was used at one time by altavista ... also G can write dll's to do just about anything ... it is not free ($995) but E sometimes the best things are not free ... there is support available C thru scientific software in new zealand ... sold by www.process.com , ssl certificates available thru verisign ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:30:46 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t Subject: Re: SAN versus clusterb, Message-ID: <3BD2172F.1D6288E2@videotron.ca>   Ed Wilts wrote:hK > A SAN does not imply a lock manager in any way.  That's a software issue,iH > and the SAN is, as I said, nothing more than a shared disk controller.  K Don't "modern" SANs also include all sorts of nifty features that make themA- much more than a glorified disk controller ? .  J Don't some SANs include volume shadowing and the ability to have your dataP phsycally reside in two locations with the SANs linked to each other via fibre ?  M Isn't it conceivable that a SAN manufacturer might develop software that runsTL on the OS which propagates file locks to the SAN, allowing the SAN to manage' locking for all hosts connected to it ?-N i.e. disable the host's own locking and shift the lock manager requests to the SAN ?c  J This would allow non-clustered systems to become "clustered" since the SAN would take care of the locking.f   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2001 16:44:44 -0700$ From: leeroth@my-deja.com (Lee Roth)@ Subject: Re: SEDT problems on RedHat 7.1 (was Re: EDT for Linux)= Message-ID: <d0e744c9.0110201544.7b000480@posting.google.com>n  u martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) wrote in message news:<3bc95428.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>...o/ > Brian W. Masinick (masinick@yahoo.com) wrote:a! > > I'm a text editing buff, too.c > 	 > Me too.  > J > > Anker Berg-Sonne (author of SEDT), John E. Davis, (author of Jed), andN > > Barry Scott (author of Bemacs) have done credible jobs with their editors. > K > May I add Daniel M. Lawrence (author of MicroEMACS) to that hall of fame?T > F > It's been a while since work has been done on that editor (IIRC, theI > latest version 4.0 dates from March 1996) but IMHO this also is a greatr? > cross-platform editor - there even is an SMG version for VMS.l > E > I use it all the time (on VMS, Linux, Tru64, WinXX, OS/2, and DOS). C > The sources and binaries for Alpha and VAX can be downloaded fromlB > ftp://ftp.pdv-systeme.de/vms/ue400dev-vms.zip, ue400axp.zip, and > ue400vax.zip, respectively.  > G > Right now, I don't have the original URL to the sources handy, but if/F > anyone is interested, drop me a note - I'm sure I have it somewhere.9 > (I had to tweak the sources a little bit, but not much)  >  > cu, 
 >   Martin  D To all that replied: I'll fuss with SEDT rebuild for a little while,7 but if I have no success I'll try jed or barry's emacs.n  & Thanks for all of the helpful replies!   Leet   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 02:10:23 GMTr) From: Brian Masinick <masinick@yahoo.com>n@ Subject: Re: SEDT problems on RedHat 7.1 (was Re: EDT for Linux)& Message-ID: <87u1wt3fot.fsf@yahoo.com>  @ To Lee, I wish you well in your quest to get the right stuff for> SEDT.  Should you still have problems, I think you will find a= great community of supporters for BArry Scott's BEmacs - guysfA like Scott, Horsfield, Hom, Lomicka.  If you ever perused the old > DEC notes files, you might remember ALL of them - I do.  But I> understand how the fingers and familiarity still yearn for the# familiar - and SEDT was a good one.   5 To Martin, let me add my agreement to your mention ofeA MicroEmacs.  It turns out that the good old MicroEmacs, of DanieleA Lawrence fame, had faded a bit, but there was a great resurgence,t> not all that long ago.  The new version is a JASSPA version of? MicroEmacs, and it has quite a bit of modernization to it.  ButtA you're right, I would add Daniel's name to the text editing "Hallc> of Fame".  I did not intend to slight him or anyone else.  I'm> sure there are numerous others who are quite worthy of mention! for other fine text editors, too.   ? Just one last bit of trivia: Linus Torvolds considers GNU Emacsi@ and XEmacs bloated software (as I'm sure many Vi enthusiasts do)? so that is no big or new piece of news.  But Linus has a ratherI4 unusual preference - but perhaps in keeping with his7 unconventional nature - he ALSO recognizes the value of @ MicroEmacs, and has hacked up a version for his own preferences.@ At one time, I made a copy of it, but I don't think I still have it.n   The Masf  & leeroth@my-deja.com (Lee Roth) writes:  w > martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) wrote in message news:<3bc95428.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>...m1 > > Brian W. Masinick (masinick@yahoo.com) wrote:i# > > > I'm a text editing buff, too.@ > >  > > Me too.D > > L > > > Anker Berg-Sonne (author of SEDT), John E. Davis, (author of Jed), andP > > > Barry Scott (author of Bemacs) have done credible jobs with their editors. > > M > > May I add Daniel M. Lawrence (author of MicroEMACS) to that hall of fame?a > > H > > It's been a while since work has been done on that editor (IIRC, theK > > latest version 4.0 dates from March 1996) but IMHO this also is a great A > > cross-platform editor - there even is an SMG version for VMS.w > > G > > I use it all the time (on VMS, Linux, Tru64, WinXX, OS/2, and DOS). E > > The sources and binaries for Alpha and VAX can be downloaded from D > > ftp://ftp.pdv-systeme.de/vms/ue400dev-vms.zip, ue400axp.zip, and > > ue400vax.zip, respectively.d > > I > > Right now, I don't have the original URL to the sources handy, but ifoH > > anyone is interested, drop me a note - I'm sure I have it somewhere.; > > (I had to tweak the sources a little bit, but not much)u > >  > > cu,E > >   Martin > F > To all that replied: I'll fuss with SEDT rebuild for a little while,9 > but if I have no success I'll try jed or barry's emacs.7 > ( > Thanks for all of the helpful replies! >  > Leel   -- n Brian W. Masinick, "The Mas" mailto:masinick@yahoo.com    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2001 17:56:07 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)D Subject: Re: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110201656.2af730a5@posting.google.com>d  v "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> wrote in message news:<QH8A7.1044489$ai2.78834387@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messaged9 > news:d7791aa1.0110191131.389d5466@posting.google.com...f > F > > ... are you suggesting that i go to nt from vms? i don't think so! > @ > Another odd statement.... you are adding 2 + 2 and getting 13.? > I'm not quite sure why you construe almost every reply to oneo9 > of your messages to be an attack. That kind of thinkingn> > belongs over on slashdot.org not in the relatively civilized > atmosphere here. > < > If ALL a screen scraper did was provide a GUI look/ability> > to a terminal session it wouldn't be much of an improvement.9 > And just because the "screen scraper" is producing htmle@ > that you can add your own html to doesn't make it a non-screen= > scraper. I see no evidence that the product you want us all-8 > to try is nothing more than a glorified html producing > screen-scraper.r >  > -Andy-  A i didn't say i want you to try it ... all i am doing is providinggC product info not unlike others on this board ... i thought the ideahF of this board was to onform other vms users ... i have nothing to sellB as we will be the ones to test this product ... just thought a vmsD site w/cell based apps looking for a simple way to provide a windowsC front end might want to research it ... i am beginning to wonder if A digital gave up because of what appears to be hostility among vmseE users ... or is it senility?  looks like some here have been in frontI" of that vt100 display too long ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:41:54 -0500r0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>D Subject: RE: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon!C Message-ID: <DNEHJNCNNNGANLDIFIOHOEEJCBAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>   K I for one found the posting most informative.  I have passed this on to oureH app development team and it has sparked some renewed interest and ideas.   Arturo Saavedra/MCI-WCOM VMST          -----Original Message-----/ From: Bob Ceculski [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com]i( Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 7:56 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComcD Subject: Re: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon!    5 "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> wrote in messaget@ news:<QH8A7.1044489$ai2.78834387@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagey9 > news:d7791aa1.0110191131.389d5466@posting.google.com...g >eF > > ... are you suggesting that i go to nt from vms? i don't think so! > @ > Another odd statement.... you are adding 2 + 2 and getting 13.? > I'm not quite sure why you construe almost every reply to one.9 > of your messages to be an attack. That kind of thinkingo> > belongs over on slashdot.org not in the relatively civilized > atmosphere here. >s< > If ALL a screen scraper did was provide a GUI look/ability> > to a terminal session it wouldn't be much of an improvement.9 > And just because the "screen scraper" is producing htmln@ > that you can add your own html to doesn't make it a non-screen= > scraper. I see no evidence that the product you want us all 8 > to try is nothing more than a glorified html producing > screen-scraper.y >v > -Andy-  A i didn't say i want you to try it ... all i am doing is providing C product info not unlike others on this board ... i thought the ideayF of this board was to onform other vms users ... i have nothing to sellB as we will be the ones to test this product ... just thought a vmsD site w/cell based apps looking for a simple way to provide a windowsC front end might want to research it ... i am beginning to wonder ifeA digital gave up because of what appears to be hostility among vmsaE users ... or is it senility?  looks like some here have been in fronte" of that vt100 display too long ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 07:51:23 +0200e  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>D Subject: Re: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon!+ Message-ID: <VA.00000486.230fbf28@sture.ch>$  Q In article <d7791aa1.0110181815.133047fb@posting.google.com>, Bob Ceculski wrote:w    [snip]m  I > its not a vt emulator and i always work in caps and forget to turn them E > off on my pc on occasion ... true vt users work in caps ... i guessw) > that eliminates you from that group ...m >aL Not necessarily. Except for some time in IBM land, I have avoided the use ofR all uppercase since I discovered the EL$$ command in the RT-11 editor. Even whereN compilers uppercased statements, they would normally leave comments untouched.  S I don't know the flavour of DIBOL you use, but in DEC DIBOL, you could relieve youriM users from the burden of all uppercase by calling the in-built FLAGS routine.   P I don't think anyone else has pointed this out yet - the use of all caps on user> groups is considered the equivalent of shouting, and impolite. ___o
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 07:18:43 +0200m  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: VTEST on AlphaT+ Message-ID: <VA.00000485.22f1d7ee@sture.ch>   T In article <00A03BF3.F44424A1@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- Brian Schenkenberger wrote: > V > >As for the present state of the company, it looks like they were bought out by the U > >present owners, so I don't honestly know, except that there are tales of shafting  W > >which come unpleasantly to mind every time you hint at your own unfortunate episode a > >in the past.d > ( > That's sad, very sad.  Lawyers suck!    = Not so much the lawyers, but those who drive you to use them.$  U But let's leave that aside. It's perhaps interesting to consider the role of vulture eW capitalists in this. I shouzld perhaps mention that for most of the story below, I was tU an outside observer, albeit with frequent contact with my ex-colleagues (I did stuff dG they either didn't want to do or didn't have the spare manpower to do).   Y Starting out as an MBO of a DEC OEM in 1986, as Performance Software Limited (PSL), this rX company's main product had originally been developed with a government grant (1 million W UKP was the figure usually quoted). This had to be paid back in the form of royalties, rS and I gathered that this debt was sold to some venture capital folks at some stage.t  X Apparently the VCs would neither negotiate nor consider a buy out from these royalties, M with the result that PSL couldn't govern the price of their own product in a  R satisfactory way. So they started developing new products, of which VTEST was the  biggest.  Y But still governed by the (different) VCs who had given them their startup capital. This  V lot of VCs were very insistent that PSL went the Unix route, even though they did not 5 want to (and presumably the Windows route, later on).   Y From dealings with other companies along the way, I really have to wonder to what extent aY folks choice of OS and indeed hardware platform is governed by what their VCs opinion is 8 on the matter.  I > I'd bet this practice would be good for troop moral too!  Same goes for @ > the ego-maniacal histrionic head of a certain software outfit.  % Oh, I've got a special treat for him.s  X That's to lock him in my office with my PC in the state it was when I was struggling to X get Win98 working over my ISDN line. With strict instructions that an installation from T scratch is not allowed unless he can figure a way to do it without wiping the Linux O partition :-) Don't let him out until he gets his own product working properly!o   ___o
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