1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 21 Oct 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 586       Contents: Re: A free VMS implementation? Re: A free VMS implementation?! Re: DIR by File Revision Numbers?  Re: LAT Queues wont start  Mitnick Uncaged * Re: More official info on Compaq/HP merger* Re: More official info on Compaq/HP merger* Re: More official info on Compaq/HP merger) Re: New to OpenVMS - Looking for software  Re: Port to VMS  RE: SAN versus cluster SNARJE Re: SNARJE Info Snagged. Strictly 4 Men Models  Re: Strictly 4 Men Models ; Re: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon! ; Re: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon!  Re: VMS to NT Integration  Re: VTEST on Alpha Re: VTEST on Alpha Re: VTEST on Alpha  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2001 03:17:01 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation? - Message-ID: <87bsj2p1ea.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   I > The question was "Why do you think they started new bits of VMS in C?".   @ Because it was descided by some idiot manager who would not knowD an interupt or AST if it bit him. And it was the cool and fasionable< thing to do. Probably he didn't know any other lang as well.  = Note, however that DECC got near all the 'oddities' of BLISS, - LINKAGEs, BUILTINs etc before it was useable.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2001 03:19:00 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>' Subject: Re: A free VMS implementation? - Message-ID: <877ktqp1az.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   D > I would not agree that it is a good basis for a choice.  Qualified@ > software engineers can adapt to any language.  I do understand? > Fred's comment about employees feeling ill-at-ease due to not " > working in a "popular" language.  / "Goodbye" is a better answer to that 'problem'.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 11:52:16 +0200 = From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com> * Subject: Re: DIR by File Revision Numbers?) Message-ID: <3BD29AD0.1A42F5BC@dummy.com>   3 If it whould be sufficient to know that a file have 0 *any* version above 30000, you can change Hoff's1 example to say "fn = f$search("sys$login:*.*;0")" . (note the zero for version), so you only check2 the latest (or rather highest, which dosn't *have*. to be the same !) version of each file. Should. run faster depending on the number of versions currently of each file.    Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  ...  >  > $ fn = f$search("",1)  > $loop:$ > $ fn = f$search("sys$login:*.*;*")$ > $ if f$length(fn) .eq. 0 then exit& > $ fv = f$parse(fn,,,"VERSION") - ";" > $ if f$int(fv) .ge. 200  > $ then$ > $    write sys$output "file ''fn'"	 > $ endif 
 > $ goto loop  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 02:07:24 -0400 1 From: "Scott J. Belviso" <belvisos@ix.netcom.com> " Subject: Re: LAT Queues wont start2 Message-ID: <9qtoqa$moq$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  H $ mc latcp show service   ! This command shows if LAT is running on your system  L $ mc latcp show port lta501   ! This command shows if LTA501 exists and what% terminal server and port it points to   
 Scott Belviso   1 Amy Lewis <amylewis@pacbell.net> wrote in message 6 news:JTLz7.5$jG2.2451597@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... >  >  > > > I > > > I am experiencing a problem with my LAT queues. They seemed to have  gone > intoK > > > a stopped state and I am unable to restart them. I can restart normal  > batch L > > > queues and IP print queues, but any queues that are using LAT will not > start.K > > > I have other vaxes which have the same setup and those LAT queues are  > unaffected > > > and work fine. > > > E > > > Printer queue CORPORATE_SECRETARIES_1$PRINT, stopped, autostart  > inactive, on+ > > > NEWDEV::LTA501:, mounted form DEFAULT  > > > ; > > > NEWDEV(PA)$ start/queue CORPORATE_SECRETARIES_1$PRINT 3 > > > %SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available  > > > : > > > Even stopping and reseting the queues has no effect. > > > 2 > > > Does anyone know what might be causing this? >  > J > Ummm... are you mapping the LAT terminal port to a terminal server port? DoI > you have that done correctly? It sounds like what happens when I reboot  and I > somehow the port never gets created under LAT. Do a sho term LTA501 and  makeL > sure it's there first, and if in a cluster make sure it's happening on theL > node the printer is spooled from. Then you have to check to make sure thatI > LAT commands happen that map the port to the place you want the data to  go. C > If this isn't the problem... well gosh, I'm not sure what to say.  >  > Amy Lewis  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:52:34 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Mitnick Uncaged> Message-ID: <CXDA7.140633$vq.32543039@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  C http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,577846,00.html   6 In the "Who Let The Weasel Out" Department, we have...  # Hacker cries foul over FBI snooping    Burhan Wazir Sunday October 21, 2001  The Observer  L The world's most infamous computer hacker, out of jail and eking a living asI an actor in a television drama, has denounced the new Patriot Act - which E would allow FBI and police to snoop on emails and monitor US internet / activity in their efforts to counter terrorism.   G Kevin Mitnick, 38, imprisoned for breaking into the computer systems of A America's leading telephone companies, told The Observer that the @ legislation proposed in the wake of the 11 September attacks was 'ludicrous'...   --) Terry C. "Proud to be an Infidel" Shannon  Consultant and Publisher Shannon Knows Compaq$ Director at Large, Encompass US Inc.  email: terryshannon@mediaone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:45:06 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>3 Subject: Re: More official info on Compaq/HP merger + Message-ID: <VA.0000048a.245394d3@sture.ch>   R In article <55f85d77.0110190331.179d9bcf@posting.google.com>, Patrick Young wrote: > F > The HP site smells *really bad* right now: "the future of computing:H > hp and windows xp" all in lower case no less, complete with picture ofI > an empty field, sky and clouds (and I'm sure there is a meaning in that  > picture for all of us).  > J It's even worse if you follow the link to the XP announcements. Apparently, it's going to change the face of computing:   - "It would be hard to miss the recent surge of *  excitement in the media regarding Windows%  XP, Microsoft's broadly enhanced new #  operating system. Inside HP, eager $  anticipation of Windows XP has been)  building for many months, as a flurry of *  coordinated activities have been lined up)  to help HP customers get the most out of    Microsoft's remarkable new OS."   Uh? Which media is that?  P "Suddenly, this PC is something you want in your living room, not your office.", someone-or-other gushed.  B Not in my living room. All computers are kept firmly out of there.  < It has all the appearances of a recycled Win95 launch to me. ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:30:10 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>3 Subject: Re: More official info on Compaq/HP merger C Message-ID: <CCDA7.844849$NK1.75447166@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   + Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote in message % news:VA.0000048a.245394d3@sture.ch... G > In article <55f85d77.0110190331.179d9bcf@posting.google.com>, Patrick  Young wrote: > > H > > The HP site smells *really bad* right now: "the future of computing:J > > hp and windows xp" all in lower case no less, complete with picture ofK > > an empty field, sky and clouds (and I'm sure there is a meaning in that  > > picture for all of us).  > > L > It's even worse if you follow the link to the XP announcements. Apparently- > it's going to change the face of computing:  > / > "It would be hard to miss the recent surge of , >  excitement in the media regarding Windows' >  XP, Microsoft's broadly enhanced new % >  operating system. Inside HP, eager & >  anticipation of Windows XP has been+ >  building for many months, as a flurry of , >  coordinated activities have been lined up+ >  to help HP customers get the most out of " >  Microsoft's remarkable new OS." >  > Uh? Which media is that?  J Indeed - they must read different media than I do, since most of what I've5 seen about XP has been decidely cautious-to-negative.   I Sounds a bit like the 'incredibly positive' reception that dropping Alpha I got:  perhaps HP already employs the same word-spinners that Compaq does.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:47:57 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>3 Subject: Re: More official info on Compaq/HP merger > Message-ID: <hTDA7.140630$vq.32539509@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message = news:CCDA7.844849$NK1.75447166@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...  > - > Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote in message ' > news:VA.0000048a.245394d3@sture.ch... I > > In article <55f85d77.0110190331.179d9bcf@posting.google.com>, Patrick  > Young wrote: > > > J > > > The HP site smells *really bad* right now: "the future of computing:L > > > hp and windows xp" all in lower case no less, complete with picture ofH > > > an empty field, sky and clouds (and I'm sure there is a meaning in that > > > picture for all of us).  > > > C > > It's even worse if you follow the link to the XP announcements. 
 Apparently/ > > it's going to change the face of computing:  > > 1 > > "It would be hard to miss the recent surge of . > >  excitement in the media regarding Windows) > >  XP, Microsoft's broadly enhanced new ' > >  operating system. Inside HP, eager ( > >  anticipation of Windows XP has been- > >  building for many months, as a flurry of . > >  coordinated activities have been lined up- > >  to help HP customers get the most out of $ > >  Microsoft's remarkable new OS." > >  > > Uh? Which media is that?  J Perhaps the same media that's running multiple-page advertising spreads on Windows XP?    > L > Indeed - they must read different media than I do, since most of what I've7 > seen about XP has been decidely cautious-to-negative.   J Apparently the OS is an improvement over the Virus Known as Windoze98, but6 just about anything would fall into that category. ;-}  & Not much value to Win2K users, though.   > K > Sounds a bit like the 'incredibly positive' reception that dropping Alpha K > got:  perhaps HP already employs the same word-spinners that Compaq does.  >   H Dunno who serves as HP's primary provider of spin doctory, but I suspectH that Compaq and HP rely on different practitioners. This is based on theH style and syntax of the firms' respective press releases and collateral.  I The decision to scuttle Alpha received a poor reception last summer, this K apparently was due to the paucity of detailed information. Now that many of L the key ISVs (including the until-recently-"undecided" Oracle) are on board,L and now that Compaq is putting the finishing touches on its "Golden Blanket"L customer assurance program, things seem to be looking up. Large customers inG the US, Europe, and Down Under seem to be reasonably satisfied with the 	 decision.   E From a technical standpoint there's nothing insurmountable in the IPF F Consolidation. Marketing, messaging, and positioning remain the gating factors.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2001 07:16:39 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 2 Subject: Re: New to OpenVMS - Looking for software3 Message-ID: <rNB8fw6V2aKt@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <d7791aa1.0110201803.344b18d9@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:  G > that isn't what it looked like to me ... i know many people that work F > in caps ... vms doesn't normally care ... and i like caps, esp. whenJ > programming ... mcba dibol got me started ... and i like it!  and i knowH > a lot of other people that like and work w/caps also ... w/vms this is > not something new!   VMS is not case sensitive.   English is.   * Please learn to capitalize your sentences.   This is not a "board".  I To some it is a newsgroup, to others a mailing list, but never a "board".    Learn to use the language.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 08:51:46 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: Port to VMS; Message-ID: <3bd27082.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   ) Bob Ceculski (bob@instantwhip.com) wrote: 6 > the best web server designed for vms is purveyor ...  H I hate do disillusion you, Bob, but Purveyor started out on WindowsNT asI EMWAC (see http://www.emwac.ed.ac.uk/), and was ported to VMS by Process.    cu,    Martin --  G                            | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer 4 Microsoft isn't the Borg:  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deK the Borg have proper       |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ ; networking.                | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 08:33:26 -0400 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>  Subject: RE: SAN versus cluster T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4010D7111@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF,   E >>> Don't "modern" SANs also include all sorts of nifty features that : make them much more than a glorified disk controller ? <<<  E Fwiw, while SAN's and associated supporting SW do offer more features G than a simple disk controller, it depends on whether you are talking to B a SAN sales person as to how much extra these benefits provide.=20  D >>> Don't some SANs include volume shadowing and the ability to haveH your data phsycally reside in two locations with the SANs linked to each other via fibre ?<<<  H Yep, all SAN vendors typically provide some means of replicating data toD some remote place. Most also provide the capability to do this in anH asynchronous or synchrounous manner. With asynchronous, similar to writeH back cache, the controller tells the host the write is complete and then@ begins its own proceses to actually write the data to the remoteE location. If you do asynchronous, depending on the disaster scenario, E you can lose data, but for some the cost/performance trade-off's make H this an acceptable strategy. This is what is often referred to as a coldH site backup scenario as the disk drives involved in the mirroring at the> remote site are typically not available to the remote servers.  E You can also do replication at the higher levels i.e. at the OS (host F based shadowing / replication) or at the database level or even at the application layer.  G Which layer you want to do the replication (storage HW, OS, database or < application) is a decision one needs to make after a carefulB consideration of costs, benefits, importance of data, and businessE continuity requirements (cold, warm, hot or active-active remote site 
 decision).  C Outside of the typical very heated politics of a multi-OS SAN (e.g. H which OS or backup package will do the backups for the other OS's), whenF it comes to discussing data integrity, perhaps a basic question to ask is -  @ Who do you believe should be responsible for data integrity in a= multi-OS (same OS) environment - the host system(s) or a disk F controller(s) / SAN that are some distance away from and hence have no0 knowledge of the host's native cache mechanisms?  G SAN's do provide benefits, but they should never be implemented without:G a full and complete understanding of the host(s) data integrity issues.    Regards,    
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Corp.e Professional Servicesn Voice: 613-592-4660r Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----4 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca] Sent: October 20, 2001 8:31 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comf Subject: Re: SAN versus cluster      Ed Wilts wrote:MD > A SAN does not imply a lock manager in any way.  That's a software issue,H > and the SAN is, as I said, nothing more than a shared disk controller.  F Don't "modern" SANs also include all sorts of nifty features that make them/ much more than a glorified disk controller ?=20-  E Don't some SANs include volume shadowing and the ability to have yourp dataH phsycally reside in two locations with the SANs linked to each other via fibre ?@  H Isn't it conceivable that a SAN manufacturer might develop software that runsE on the OS which propagates file locks to the SAN, allowing the SAN toe manage' locking for all hosts connected to it ?oG i.e. disable the host's own locking and shift the lock manager requestsa to the SAN ?   F This would allow non-clustered systems to become "clustered" since the SANC would take care of the locking.B   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 14:43:45 GMTc& From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> Subject: SNARJE0? Message-ID: <BaBA7.426764$8c3.75973218@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>   J I am trying to assemble a proposal to put an application our our Alpha VMSJ system.  In order to push this proposal I need to do a cost justification;K alas, without the E-store, or Business Link, I cannot get all the pricing I:H need.  Does anyone happen to have the list price of SNARJE for VMS for aL workstation (ES40 /dual 833 mhz processors).  If I can get even a good guessB for this today (Sunday), I can have a proposal to submit tomorrow.   Thanks.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:16:40 GMTn4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: SNARJE Info Snagged. > Message-ID: <YpDA7.140469$vq.32510689@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  1 "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message 9 news:BaBA7.426764$8c3.75973218@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...-L > I am trying to assemble a proposal to put an application our our Alpha VMSL > system.  In order to push this proposal I need to do a cost justification;K > alas, without the E-store, or Business Link, I cannot get all the pricing- I-J > need.  Does anyone happen to have the list price of SNARJE for VMS for aH > workstation (ES40 /dual 833 mhz processors).  If I can get even a good guessRD > for this today (Sunday), I can have a proposal to submit tomorrow. >u  I Ah yes, additional evidence that Compaq's Web sites are the apotheosis ofn? squatulence. Thanks to a reseller friend at Sequel Data Systems 9 (www.sequeldata.com) we have the following information...t  L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----( QL-10UAE-AA  Compaq SNA Remote Job Entry  2  Estim. Lead Time (Business Days) - 1 Day Shipment+ Includes 1-Year Product Foundation Warrantyn PAK Delivery Method: Paper    E  NET TOTAL AMOUNT                                           $1,671.00t   Hope this helps!  
 Terry Shannon". Consultant and Publisher, Shannon Knows Compaq% Director at Large, Encompass US, Inc.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 10:39:47 +0100c, From: "Strictly 4 Men" <inf@strictly4men.nl> Subject: Strictly 4 Men Models+ Message-ID: <B7F85673.192C77@[192.168.1.4]>   J Hello,                                 Amsterdam, Sunday, October 21, 2001  ? I would like to announce new web site of Strictly 4 Men Models.t  C Fashion Models and Escort Models are available for your pleasure one Strictly Models web site.    http://www.strictly4men.nl  J For more info please send an email to info@strictly4men.nl and ask for me.     Yours sincerely    April Summer   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:13:54 GMTo4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>" Subject: Re: Strictly 4 Men Models> Message-ID: <mnDA7.140450$vq.32507980@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  7 "Strictly 4 Men" <inf@strictly4men.nl> wrote in messagew% news:B7F85673.192C77@[192.168.1.4]...qL > Hello,                                 Amsterdam, Sunday, October 21, 2001 >RA > I would like to announce new web site of Strictly 4 Men Models.  >DE > Fashion Models and Escort Models are available for your pleasure onu > Strictly Models web site.N  G And this proves what? That VMS is a Manly Operating System? Codswallop,n Women Like It, Too!g   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 07:38:22 GMTc* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>D Subject: Re: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon!D Message-ID: <OXuA7.1059712$ai2.80168418@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0110201656.2af730a5@posting.google.com...n  ' > i didn't say i want you to try it ...   + That wasn't my impression. And if I go backv6 and read your message I still get that impression.....  - > i am beginning to wonder if digital gave up / > because of what appears to be hostility among'" > vms users ... or is it senility?  . I don't think Digital & now Compaq (& soon HP). have paid much attention to the hostility that/ seems to flair up whenever they (that corporate - "they") do something that has a lot of people0+ shaking their heads in befuddled disbelief.t  - And by this point we all know who most of the3/ negative posters are and why they are that way.t* For some it's too late.... a $1000 Itanium& based OpenVMS desktop dropped on their desk TOMORROW wouldn't help., Others, myself included, are just glad to be, able to continue to use VMS and hope OpenVMS/ Engineering is given a fair chance at moving us . to IPF if that's what it will take to keep VMS0 alive.... no senility here.... just a few cynics to keep us on our toes.....t   -Andy-   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2001 05:58:45 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)D Subject: Re: VMS cell based sessions w/HTML on browsers coming soon!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110210458.242b0743@posting.google.com>.  S Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote in message news:<VA.00000486.230fbf28@sture.ch>...eS > In article <d7791aa1.0110181815.133047fb@posting.google.com>, Bob Ceculski wrote:- > 	 >  [snip]  > K > > its not a vt emulator and i always work in caps and forget to turn themcG > > off on my pc on occasion ... true vt users work in caps ... i guess2+ > > that eliminates you from that group ...1 > >3N > Not necessarily. Except for some time in IBM land, I have avoided the use ofT > all uppercase since I discovered the EL$$ command in the RT-11 editor. Even whereP > compilers uppercased statements, they would normally leave comments untouched. > U > I don't know the flavour of DIBOL you use, but in DEC DIBOL, you could relieve youroO > users from the burden of all uppercase by calling the in-built FLAGS routine.c > R > I don't think anyone else has pointed this out yet - the use of all caps on user@ > groups is considered the equivalent of shouting, and impolite. > ___e > Paul Sture  G what burden?  i started out on pdp11 rsts/e dibol using mcba accounting G package written in dibol ... it was uppercase, my boss liked it becausetB he thought it was easier on the eyes and easier to read esp. afterD coding 8+ hrs a day, 5 days a week and i agree ... the same was trueB for vax dibol, and now synergy dibol ... i like it! and so does my8 assistant programmer ... and so does our vice president!   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 12:31:40 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>" Subject: Re: VMS to NT Integration+ Message-ID: <VA.00000488.24105c04@sture.ch>d  E In article <ee8fff65.0110190144.75d6866b@posting.google.com>, Robert m Atkinson wrote:DE > I'm sure this topic has been covered before, but can seomone pleaseeC > point me in the right direction for mounting an NT drive on a VMSh > platform.t > C Have you looked at Samba? There is a VMS port, see the VMS FAQ for r details.   ___h
 Paul Sture Switzerlandb   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:04:21 +0010e% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auf Subject: Re: VTEST on Alpha 5 Message-ID: <01K9RUWGJKXE006OAG@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>i   Paul, J >> I'd bet this practice would be good for troop moral too!  Same goes forA >> the ego-maniacal histrionic head of a certain software outfit.  > & >Oh, I've got a special treat for him. >rK >That's to lock him in my office with my PC in the state it was when I was d >struggling to  G >get Win98 working over my ISDN line. With strict instructions that an   >installation from  O >scratch is not allowed unless he can figure a way to do it without wiping the   >Linux uG >partition :-) Don't let him out until he gets his own product working h
 >properly!  O Come on, where's your sympathetic nature?  In the spirit of "Who wants to be a  I Millionaire" (if your TV channels have stooped that low), he needs every tG possible lifeline and then some.  He might know what Win98 is ("hey, I hJ invented that -- er, or did I steal it?"), but would he know what ISDN is K ("er, did someone else have the audacity to invent something -- why hasn't m' Micro$oft got it yet, whatever it is")?n  L "What's a partition?  Is that in some code I stole from someone?  Gee, I've M stolen so much that I've forgotten what and from whom."  [Footnote: he might . have said "who".]g  N And you must remember that his products always work -- for him.  Kdollars and  Kdollars and Kdollars ....   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 12:45:14 GMTd= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)  Subject: Re: VTEST on Alphab0 Message-ID: <00A03D95.2AAF7E12@SendSpamHere.ORG>  N In article <VA.00000485.22f1d7ee@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:U >In article <00A03BF3.F44424A1@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- Brian Schenkenberger wrote:l >>W >> >As for the present state of the company, it looks like they were bought out by the aV >> >present owners, so I don't honestly know, except that there are tales of shafting X >> >which come unpleasantly to mind every time you hint at your own unfortunate episode  >> >in the past. >>  ) >> That's sad, very sad.  Lawyers suck!  e > > >Not so much the lawyers, but those who drive you to use them. >nV >But let's leave that aside. It's perhaps interesting to consider the role of vulture X >capitalists in this. I shouzld perhaps mention that for most of the story below, I was V >an outside observer, albeit with frequent contact with my ex-colleagues (I did stuff H >they either didn't want to do or didn't have the spare manpower to do). >sZ >Starting out as an MBO of a DEC OEM in 1986, as Performance Software Limited (PSL), this Y >company's main product had originally been developed with a government grant (1 million lX >UKP was the figure usually quoted). This had to be paid back in the form of royalties, T >and I gathered that this debt was sold to some venture capital folks at some stage. >rY >Apparently the VCs would neither negotiate nor consider a buy out from these royalties, aN >with the result that PSL couldn't govern the price of their own product in a S >satisfactory way. So they started developing new products, of which VTEST was the  	 >biggest.d >lZ >But still governed by the (different) VCs who had given them their startup capital. This W >lot of VCs were very insistent that PSL went the Unix route, even though they did not n6 >want to (and presumably the Windows route, later on). >,Z >From dealings with other companies along the way, I really have to wonder to what extent Z >folks choice of OS and indeed hardware platform is governed by what their VCs opinion is  >on the matter.e >nJ >> I'd bet this practice would be good for troop moral too!  Same goes forA >> the ego-maniacal histrionic head of a certain software outfit.g >,& >Oh, I've got a special treat for him. >.Y >That's to lock him in my office with my PC in the state it was when I was struggling to mY >get Win98 working over my ISDN line. With strict instructions that an installation from  U >scratch is not allowed unless he can figure a way to do it without wiping the Linux sP >partition :-) Don't let him out until he gets his own product working properly!  G I wasn't referring to oberfuehrer Gates but you're certainly welcome tooG devise your own tortures as retribution for the tortures he has visiteda upon us.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMw            .J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesd   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:30:12 +0200r  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: VTEST on Alpha-+ Message-ID: <VA.0000048b.24eabd85@sture.ch>   T In article <00A03D95.2AAF7E12@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- Brian Schenkenberger wrote:  I > I wasn't referring to oberfuehrer Gates but you're certainly welcome totI > devise your own tortures as retribution for the tortures he has visited.
 > upon us. >  Got you. ___B
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