1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 24 Oct 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 592       Contents:& Re: -- Question from a newbie sysadmin Re: Advanced Server + assaults on web servers from the billyworld  Re: Backup tape-label problem  Re: Backup tape-label problem  Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL Re: BCC support in VMSMAILP Re: Browsing a VMS FTP site, with Browser, fails to display names correctly corr1 Re: CDD RDB + Datatrieve - what license do I need 1 Re: CDD RDB + Datatrieve - what license do I need  Re: Compaq financial humour !  Re: Compaq financial humour !  Re: Compaq financial humour !  Re: Compaq financial humour !  Re: Compaq financial humour !  Re: Compaq financial humour !  Re: Compaq financial humour ! * Re: Compaq OpenVMS Network Monitoring Tool$ Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking$ Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking$ Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking$ Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking4 Re: Converting an ODS-2 to an ODS-5 file system disk Re: Copy command...  DCPS and manual feed timeout.  Re: DECNET ping equivalent?  Delta time between two date's ! RE: Delta time between two date's ! Re: Delta time between two date's ! Re: Delta time between two date's ! Re: Delta time between two date's ! Re: Delta time between two date's 2 DS10 serial port card questions (PBXDA-AA = Digi?)6 RE: DS10 serial port card questions (PBXDA-AA = Digi?)6 Re: DS10 serial port card questions (PBXDA-AA = Digi?) Re: ECC  Re: ECC  EMC Symmetrix on OpenVMS ?6 Re: Finding GNU "find" that builds from source for VMS6 Re: Finding GNU "find" that builds from source for VMS6 Re: Finding GNU "find" that builds from source for VMS Re: fixing Error Count... ! Re: How know last system restart? ! Re: How know last system restart? ! Re: How know last system restart? ! Re: How know last system restart?  Re: I am changing jobs Re: I am changing jobs Re: It's Friday < MEET OVER HUNDRED OF WOMEN IN YOUR CITY FROM MY WEBSITE  3071 Memo:  Re: Compaq OpenVMS Network Monitoring Tool P Mistaken ideas Compaq has on why customers stay on VAX (was Re: Converting an ODP Re: Mistaken ideas Compaq has on why customers stay on VAX (was Re: Converting aP Re: Mistaken ideas Compaq has on why customers stay on VAX (was Re: Converting a Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  NFS, proxies and dynamic memory " Paging File Quota ECO for VMS 6.x?= Re: PC164, OVMS7.2, isacfg and graphic cards (MACH64, S3 968) = Re: PC164, OVMS7.2, isacfg and graphic cards (MACH64, S3 968) = Re: PC164, OVMS7.2, isacfg and graphic cards (MACH64, S3 968)  Re: Printing to NLA0:? Re: Printing to NLA0:? Re: Runtime JAVA for openvms7 Re: SEDT problems on RedHat 7.1 (was Re: EDT for Linux)  Re: SET FILE/ATTRIB in C" Re: SuperDLT on older (EV5) Alphas" VMS v6.x and ECO kit?  What is it?& Re: VMS v6.x and ECO kit?  What is it?# Re: Windows XP reality check please # Re: Windows XP reality check please  Re: Working sets' Re: WRITEBOOT and dual-boot bootblocks? ' Re: WRITEBOOT and dual-boot bootblocks? ' Re: WRITEBOOT and dual-boot bootblocks? ' Re: WRITEBOOT and dual-boot bootblocks? / Re: X server and SET DISPLAY on different port? / Re: X server and SET DISPLAY on different port? / Re: X server and SET DISPLAY on different port?  Re: XP1000 problems  Re: XP1000 problems # Re: [MOZILLA] Burner of CPU time!!!   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 08:11:31 -0700& From: medleyb@logica.com (Bert Medley)/ Subject: Re: -- Question from a newbie sysadmin = Message-ID: <13564748.0110240711.55d166b7@posting.google.com>   > Found it.  The 9GB drives, when formatted with RZTOOLS, works.  i medleyb@flash.net (Bert Medley) wrote in message news:<Xns913D57766636Cmedleybflashnet@207.115.63.150>...  > I'm running OpenVMS 7.3  > K > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in <3BCCF9F4.7FAE7F24  > @cableinet.co.uk>: >  > >  > >  > >Fabio Cardoso wrote:  > >>  2 > >> What machine are you connecting these disks ? > >>  9 > >> Alpha ? Vax ? You should check if the controller and 4 > >> firmware support these disks (model), and maybe > >> these disks can be bad. > >>   > > 9 > >Also check VMS version. If its a turbochannel alpha as I > >I suspect then the VMS might be old enough to not support those disks.  > >  > >> Regards > >>   > >> FC / > >> --- Bert Medley <medleyb@flash.net> wrote: 6 > >>> I inherited a DecServer 3000 and some 9GB disks. > >>> OpenVMS "sees" the disks8 > >>> and I can do a SHOW DEVICE /FULL but when I try to > >>> INIT it I get "invalid > >>> media format"  HELP!!!!! > >    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 00:56:14 -0700) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)  Subject: Re: Advanced Server= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0110232356.669f99ec@posting.google.com>    Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message news:<87itd6f6fs.fsf@k9.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-shoot-me>... C > The licences you have, plus the extra 50 should be fine for up to % > 90 people to have access at a time.  >   B I have not installed ASO 7.3 yet, however the instructions tend toB suggest the 7.2 client access licenses will not work. I also foundC in the last week the current installation of ASO 7.2a does not show C much interest in using the new 7.3 licenses although they appear in  the $ ADM/LIC display.     > Don't you have CSLG there?  ? Yes - I was just asked our 2002 requirements and was interested @ to note that the CSLG membership fees have again _NOT_ increasedB and am left unsure as to the M$ excuse for their October increases for M$ (something)ware!   > The client ASO licenses are not included under CSLG (I imagineA that is because M$ have their grubby little fingers in the source  code).  C As I use my home/hobbyist OpenVMS system for UNSW work sometimes it 5 is also a paid up CSLG member (not under Hobbyist)...   : Costs:   CSLG -  Membership fee only, no fee for the PAKs.B                           Compaq's invoice to us this year is the ;                           same as in 2001 but the number of A                           participants and the number of machines 2                           covered will affect your,                           share of the cost.  D          MDDS - Compaq's invoice this year is 8.7% higher than that B                           of 2001.  The number of participants and>                           machines again determines individual/                           contributors' shares.    ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2001 12:32:41 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.062469.killspam.00be (Wayne Sewell) 4 Subject: assaults on web servers from the billyworld. Message-ID: <isHQ9KKsEisA@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  L My web servers have been getting a lot of hits such as the following lately:      * 'GET' '/MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)Y 'GET' '/_mem_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) Y 'GET' '/_vti_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) 4 'GET' '/c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)4 'GET' '/d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)u 'GET' '/msadc/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c/..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) F 'GET' '/scripts/..%%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)D 'GET' '/scripts/..%%35c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)H 'GET' '/scripts/..%25%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)D 'GET' '/scripts/..%252f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)D 'GET' '/scripts/..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)E 'GET' '/scripts/..%c0%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) E 'GET' '/scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) E 'GET' '/scripts/..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) E 'GET' '/scripts/..%c1%9c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) , 'GET' '/scripts/root.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)    J I assume these are all assaults from the billyworld, i.e. viruses or otherO rogue programs.  I don't know what these accesses are trying to accomplish, but N since most of them are trying to reach the system32 directory of a billybox, I' doubt they are particularly benevolent.   N Are any of these legitimate, or do they all fall into the category of assault?  O In any case, I have no use for any of them, especially since an entire sequence O of hits typically comes from the same site in rapid succession, so I have added ' the following lines to HTTP_PATHS.CONF:   & redirect /scripts/*    /www/yadda.html& redirect /MSADC/*      /www/yadda.html' redirect /_mem_bin/*    /www/yadda.html ' redirect /_vti_bin/*    /www/yadda.html & redirect /c/winnt/*    /www/yadda.html& redirect /d/winnt/*    /www/yadda.html) redirect /default.ida*    /www/yadda.html $ redirect /msadc/*    /www/yadda.html  H This causes a success code instead of a failure, but instead of whateverH response they are trying to get, they get yadda.html, which consists of:  # ===================================  <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Yadda</TITLE> </HEAD>    <BODY> Yadda.   <p>   C I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay.  I sleep all night and work all day.    </BODY>  </HTML> # ===================================   L My hope is that getting monty python instead of whatever they were expectingN will confuse the software and prevent further hits from that session.  It doesN appear to be working to some extent.  I have seen cases in the log where thereG is just one hit from a particular site instead of the entire sequence.  K Unfortunately, in other cases the hits just keep coming.  There may be more < than one virus or other rogue program generating this stuff.  N However, I don't want to cause problems for anybody other than virus perps andO hackers.  If any of the above are legitimate accesses to a web server, somebody ? please tell me and I will turn off the redirect for that entry.      Wayne  --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== H Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy.". Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:21:25 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)& Subject: Re: Backup tape-label problemL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2410011321260001@user-2ive7ih.dialup.mindspring.com>  P In article <9r4gio$8jm$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de wrote:   > Hello, > J > OpenVMS 7.1-2 & and a Sony SDT9000 DDS-3 DAT drive: from time to time we > get the following error: > I > $ BACKUP/NOLOG/NOCRC/GROUP=0/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/NOASSIST/NOALIAS/VERIFY - , >   /IMAGE DISKG: MKA500:23OCT01DG.BCK     -! >   /REWIND/SAVE_SET/LABEL=DG04 -  >   /BLOCK_SIZE=32256 1 > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, DG04 mounted on _MPI6$MKA500: G > %BACKUP-W-MOUNTERR, volume 1 on _MPI6$MKA500 was not mounted because  - >  its label does not match the one requested > > %BACKUP-I-OPERASSIST, operator assistance has been requested > H > Note that the tape has the correct label and that VMS even reports it.H > Nevertheless it claims that the label is wrong. Why? When I unload the4 > tape in question and reload it everything is fine: > , > %BACKUP-I-OPREPLY, operator reply is "NEW"1 > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, DG04 mounted on _MPI6$MKA500: F > %BACKUP-W-ACCONFLICT, DISKG:[000000]QUOTA.SYS;1 is open for write by another user3 > %BACKUP-I-STARTVERIFY, starting verification pass  >  > Thus, what happens here?     Just a wild guess ...   D I've seen our DLTs report "random" errors if I issue a MOUNT (or, byJ implication, a BACKUP) before the tape is completely loaded in the drive. E There seems to be a short window of time where the drive claims to be G ready, but it really isn't, and VMS gets bad information.  Retrying the D same command always solves the problem.  I've had to learn to wait a- second or two after the READY light comes on.   8 Maybe your DAT drive has a similar personality disorder. > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmann  > J > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+J > | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |J > | Immunbiologie                                                        |J > | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |J > | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |J > +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:34:03 -0700 0 From: "William S. LaCounte" <vmsmanager@ups.edu>& Subject: Re: Backup tape-label problem" Message-ID: <3BD6FB8C.185@ups.edu>  @ I have had not problems of this type using a TZ88. However, I doF the backups slightly different. Prior to the backup command I allocateD and initialize the tape and then mount it foreign. In addition I useE a 6 character label, e.g. FBCK01 or IBCK01. Any succeeding tapes will 2 have labels like FBCK02, FBCK03 or IBCK02, IBCK03.   Bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:18:45 -0400 - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> # Subject: Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL ( Message-ID: <3BD6B1A5.CB1B1AD4@ohio.edu>  N Another use for BCC is when you send mail to a large number of people, some ofK whom may be using E-mail software that requires them to scroll or page down H through the entire list of To and CC addressees, before they can see the
 message text.   M I have had numerous occasions to start a message by saying, "This is sent BCC J not to conceal the recipients, but in order to avoid your having to scroll down through the whole list."                    RDP      "David J. Dachtera" wrote:   > Brian Tillman wrote: > > F > > >"Need" is a relative term.  To have any hope of appearing to be a* > > >useful mail program, BCC is required. > > M > > Interesting thought.  Could you explain how BCC is useful for anything at  > > all other than SPAM? > B > When you want to send out a notice and include management in theI > distro., without the grunts knowing that management is reading the same I > message they are, or when you need to send out a notice to a group, but / > e-mail addresses should be kept confidential.  > 8 > There are other applications, I'm sure (besides spam). >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 05:54:23 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)# Subject: Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110240454.4f25a88a@posting.google.com>   Q david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<9r3unm$5ou$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>... j > In article <d7791aa1.0110230603.2a6d2644@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:[ > >Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@compaq.com> wrote in message news:<3BD3EC5E.E683DA66@compaq.com>... R > >you can get mime parsing and attachment separation in vms pine!  imap4 servicesL > >from tcpware ip stack works great w/vmsmail ... bcc would be nice, but weK > >need to be able to use vmsmail as a screening tool for all our smtp mail P > >which means mime parsing and attachment separation ... you don't need to lookO > >at pmdf as an example but even vms pine does this nicely ... if you could at O > >least give us vms pine mime and attachment functionality that would be a big I > >improvement!  where has this been?  if pine can do it why not vmsmail?  >  > I > I thought the public domain version of Pine for VMS (as opposed to the  2 > version shipped with PMDF) was very out of date. > D > PMDF mail is a good example of what can be done with extending theF > functionality of VMS Mail since it is such a close clone of VMSMAIL. >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University  I it is on our vms 7.1 freeware cd ... it may be out of date but we have to K use it because vms mail can't parse mime and can't separate attachments ... M this out of date version of pine can!  that must mean that vms mail is really K out of date!  vms mail would be used alot more with the above features like K we use pine ... for screening mail before opening anything thru our tcpware ; imap services in outlook ... fix it and people will use it!    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:56:42 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk# Subject: Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL + Message-ID: <9r6haq$1lc$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   h In article <d7791aa1.0110240454.4f25a88a@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:R >david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<9r3unm$5ou$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>...k >> In article <d7791aa1.0110230603.2a6d2644@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:  > J >it is on our vms 7.1 freeware cd ... it may be out of date but we have toL >use it because vms mail can't parse mime and can't separate attachments ...N >this out of date version of pine can!  that must mean that vms mail is really >out of date!     + Yes VMS MAIL is really really out of date.  N Most mail clients in use nowadays were either written with SMTP mail and MIME N in mind or were thoroughly updated as these standards were developed and came  into wide use.M VMS Mail simply wasn't. DEC had a corporate mail package which made them lots O of money and hence preferred to spend funds on developing that rather than the  J free mail system which came with VMS. And then later they decided that the! future was Microsoft's Exchange.      N Like VMS itself VMS Mail has to a large extent survived despite DEC and CompaqL rather than because of them. The original developers did a number of things : right - The mail store itself, the foreign mail interface.  F But the VMS MAIL client itself needs updating to properly handle MIME  attachments etc H Over time there have been various cludges usually originating with usersK porting and adapting public domain code or developing their own code which  4 sometimes then much later got adopted by DEC/COMPAQ. egN The public domain external MIME encoding /Decoding facilities which Compaq has' repackaged as the VMS 7.x MIME utility.   L (Doing this was pretty pointless since the public domain facilities existed.N What was required (and still is ) was support for Mime inside VMS Mail not as  an external program).   I PINE and (even more) PMDF MAIL show that such an update to VMS Mail using & the VMS MAIL store is not impossible.     > >vms mail would be used alot more with the above features likeL >we use pine ... for screening mail before opening anything thru our tcpware< >imap services in outlook ... fix it and people will use it!  D All our student mail is on our VMS systems using the VMS Mail store." Users can access their mail via :-  ' Telnetting into the system and using :-    VMS MAIL	 PMDF MAIL 	 PMDF PINE  or DECW$MAIL   or     Using any POP client   or   Using any IMAP client    or  J Via the Web using the Public Domain YAHMAIL program and the OSU Webserver.  H With our 25000+ students the number of student mail problems we have is J minute compared to the problems we have with our 2500 staff using Pegasus ' mail on our Novell systems or Exchange.     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 10:05:57 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL 3 Message-ID: <NB4AY3nz9Rs9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   L In article <9r6haq$1lc$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:  J > Over time there have been various cludges usually originating with usersM > porting and adapting public domain code or developing their own code which  6 > sometimes then much later got adopted by DEC/COMPAQ. > egP > The public domain external MIME encoding /Decoding facilities which Compaq has) > repackaged as the VMS 7.x MIME utility.  > N > (Doing this was pretty pointless since the public domain facilities existed.  $ It most certainly was not pointless.  E There is a world of difference between something that is available at D some effort and something that is automatically present on every VMSB default installation that I might encounter, regardless of whether3 the system manager cared about that feature or not.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:36:02 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk# Subject: Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL + Message-ID: <9r6n52$3h6$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   c In article <NB4AY3nz9Rs9@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: M >In article <9r6haq$1lc$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:  > K >> Over time there have been various cludges usually originating with users N >> porting and adapting public domain code or developing their own code which 7 >> sometimes then much later got adopted by DEC/COMPAQ.  >> eg Q >> The public domain external MIME encoding /Decoding facilities which Compaq has * >> repackaged as the VMS 7.x MIME utility. >>  O >> (Doing this was pretty pointless since the public domain facilities existed.  > % >It most certainly was not pointless.  > F >There is a world of difference between something that is available atE >some effort and something that is automatically present on every VMS C >default installation that I might encounter, regardless of whether 4 >the system manager cared about that feature or not.  M As a stopgap solution it was not totally pointless providing the facility as  . standard but it was pointless redeveloping it.K Why not just make the public domain utilities MPACK and MUNPACK part of the  system install ?  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:08:55 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> # Subject: Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL 2 Message-ID: <BIBB7.45910$Z2.694786@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  + <david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message % news:9r6n52$3h6$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk...  >...K > As a stopgap solution it was not totally pointless providing the facility  as0 > standard but it was pointless redeveloping it. >...  C Especially considering how it was developed. If anyone has actually E installed the official Compaq MIME try turning on your terminal's (or K terminal emulator's) "Display Control Characters" option and then try MIME.   , This is what I see when I invoke MIME V1.4 "L <ESC>)<ESC>[4l<ESC>)<ESC>[4l<ESC>=<ESC>[1;24r<ESC>[;H<ESC>[2J<ESC>[24;1H<ESCJ >[;H<ESC>[2J<ESC>[;H<ESC>[1;1HMIME>" Yes, it clears the screen 2 times andC moves the cursor 5 times. Why? Just pressing <ENTER> will result in K "<ESC>[;H<CR><ESC>[4;1HMIME>". Try typing HELP if you want to see even more K cursor positioning and TABS followed by <BS> characters. Evidently, whoever K programmed this went to the Microsoft School of Bloatware. My machines have G better things to do other than calculate where to put the cursor when a  simple <CR><LF> will do.  D PS. I meant <BS> as the Backspace character, you can interpret it as something else if you want to.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:54:55 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> Y Subject: Re: Browsing a VMS FTP site, with Browser, fails to display names correctly corr ) Message-ID: <3BD6BA1F.A6A470AD@gtech.com>   
 Nye wrote:> > I'm having trouble FTPing (via Browser) from a WinNT PC to aG > VMS-hosted FTP site, maybe ALL VMS sites, but's hard to tell what I'm  > connecting to. > = > Both MSIE and Netscape fail to work, through a Proxy Server  > 9 > Directories and files are displayed with FULL file-name & > characteristics, eg name.DIR;VERSION > G > When I try to select the link the browser errors, BECAUSE it's trying E > to select the full VMS filename, file-type, version number and all. E > I can manually delete the unnecessary bits from the browser address D > window and then successfully connect (both directories and files). > C > Any suggestions on what to reconfigure for MS Proxy Server or the  > Browser ?   D It is the proxy-server that does not understand VMS filename syntax.  8 I have no idea about how to configure a MX Proxy Server.   Suggestions:C   - switch to Squid and hack the code (that is the nice thing about      open source)A   - install MG FTP on the VMS box and configure it to give output      in Unix format   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:13:05 -0400 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>: Subject: Re: CDD RDB + Datatrieve - what license do I need* Message-ID: <3BD6A240.545B403D@oracle.com>   paul -% 	please contact oracle directly.  I'm 3 sure that they'll be able to answer your questions.    Paul Hallam wrote: > F > We have been tasked with moving an old application from VAX to ALPHAD > due to the split of the old Rover company into 3 seperate entities > (MG-Rover, Ford & BMW).  > G > This application uses CDD to store data structures which are compiled  > into the Cobol programs  > for execution.4 > The application itself makes no use of CDD or RDB.? > The support group for the application use datatrieve for data % > manipulation as and when necessary. G > We need to keep costs to a minimum as this is an old application that  > will just keep goingG > for quite some time yet but will not require any further development.  > D > I believe we could do away with CDD and RDB but if we can get away > with single user licenses ) > it's not believed to be cost-effective.  > > > Can anyone confirm that I only need single user CDD, RDB and, > Datatrieve licenses for the support group.F > i.e. there is no hidden costs anywhere if the above is assumed to be > true.  > 
 > Paul Hallam  >  > phallam@csc.com    --  > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:45:31 +0100 . From: Peter Jackson <peter.jackson@oracle.com>: Subject: Re: CDD RDB + Datatrieve - what license do I need* Message-ID: <3BD6A9DB.76FFEAD0@oracle.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------56FD68FC8AF42A7FA6C77088* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   F If you only use Rdb for storing CDD information then you do not need a separate license for it.  
 Peter Jackson 	 Oracle UK    Paul Hallam wrote:  F > We have been tasked with moving an old application from VAX to ALPHAD > due to the split of the old Rover company into 3 seperate entities > (MG-Rover, Ford & BMW).  > G > This application uses CDD to store data structures which are compiled  > into the Cobol programs  > for execution.4 > The application itself makes no use of CDD or RDB.? > The support group for the application use datatrieve for data % > manipulation as and when necessary. G > We need to keep costs to a minimum as this is an old application that  > will just keep goingG > for quite some time yet but will not require any further development.  > D > I believe we could do away with CDD and RDB but if we can get away > with single user licenses ) > it's not believed to be cost-effective.  > > > Can anyone confirm that I only need single user CDD, RDB and, > Datatrieve licenses for the support group.F > i.e. there is no hidden costs anywhere if the above is assumed to be > true.  > 
 > Paul Hallam  >  > phallam@csc.com   & --------------56FD68FC8AF42A7FA6C77088- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;   name="peter.jackson.vcf"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit + Content-Description: Card for Peter Jackson   Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="peter.jackson.vcf"    begin:vcard  n:Jackson;Peter  tel;fax:0118 9249260 tel;work:0118 9249165  x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Oracle Corporation UK Ltd.
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 ' email;internet:peter.jackson@oracle.com  fn:Peter Jackson	 end:vcard   ( --------------56FD68FC8AF42A7FA6C77088--   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 02:10:41 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> & Subject: Re: Compaq financial humour !, Message-ID: <3BD65B60.B159D4EC@videotron.ca>   John McLean wrote:G > One thing I will do sometime soon is take a look at sales compared to G > actual income.  Compaq has a great record of saying sales in PC's are I > much higher than any other product but forgetting that profit/income is F > peanuts.  It takes the profit of a lot of PC sales to equal one VMS, > Unix or Tandem box.     B I would love to see some journalist stand up and ask the question:K "It is often said that the VMS business is highly profitable for Compaq, if N that is true, how come this is never mentioned and backed with numbers in your financial statements ?"    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 06:44:26 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>& Subject: Re: Compaq financial humour !? Message-ID: <ertB7.584163$Lw3.35832864@news2.aus1.giganews.com>   1 John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch> wrote in message $ news:3BD64E3C.B526423F@dplanet.ch... >  >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > >  > > Some more tidbits: > >  > > Revenu: H > > Enterprise Group: 2.4 billion   (The segment reported a loss of $104	 million.) H > >         Industry standard server:                        1.4 billion? > >         Business Critical Solutions Group was 0.590 billion  > > 3 > > Enterprise Storage Group: $412 million dollars,  > > G > > So for the enterprise servers, it seems that wintel has the biggest  share of< > > revenus, with VMS/UNIX/TANDEM sharing a 590 million pie. >  > I > My first take is that they  seem to be blaming market conditions rather J > than any confusion and uncertainty about Alpha-to-Intel and Compaq-to-HP > plans.  K That was what they seemed to suggest verbally.  But the detailed commentary   told a somewhat different story.  I BCSG revenue was down 11% from Q2.  However, Non-Stop revenue and storage 3 revenue were stated as being flat compared with Q2.   L That seems to mean that Alpha sales were down significantly (enough to bringI the total down 11% despite stable Tandem and storage contributions), in a L quarter when Himalaya and enterprise storage sales were flat.  Very specific  'market conditions', apparently.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:15:16 +0000   From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com& Subject: Re: Compaq financial humour !/ Message-ID: <00256AEF.004353A8.00@quegw01.btyp>   L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    O Surely there can't be much profit in a $50m deal which includes 50,000 Proliant  servers?   Steve Spires          A JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> on 10/24/2001 02:56:35 AM     To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages) N From:      JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>, 24 October 2001, 2:56 a.m.   Compaq financial humour !         " Time for the 3rd quarter comedy...     from: : http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/presspaq/102301/Remarks.pdf   Some funny ones:   ##Page We had severalL key wins during the quarter, including a 3-year, $50 million dollar contract with BT I Ignite in the U.K. The company will deploy 50,000 Compaq ProLiant?servers 4 to power its Web hosting services throughout Europe. ##  K What fun it will be to manage 50,000 wintel boxes. (especially with that ne  Microsoft licensing scheme).     [cut...]   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:03:56 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> & Subject: Re: Compaq financial humour !8 Message-ID: <eh7dtt8oveivue2dbp91r69mdql03eavlc@4ax.com>  F On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 06:44:26 GMT, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:    M >That seems to mean that Alpha sales were down significantly (enough to bring J >the total down 11% despite stable Tandem and storage contributions), in aM >quarter when Himalaya and enterprise storage sales were flat.  Very specific ! >'market conditions', apparently.    Note the following quote:   I http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/attachments/3Q01FinancialDiscussion.pdf   D "Enterprise Computing revenue decreased $1.4 billion, or 38 percent, compared with the third B quarter of 2000 and represented 32 percent of consolidated revenue during the quarter. On aE year to date basis, revenue from this segment decreased $2.2 billion,  or 22 percent. TheD combination of weakness in the economy, aggressive pricing practices particularly in low-end @ industry standard servers, and Compaqs actions to significantly reduce channel inventories> drove average selling prices lower. Sales of Compaqs business! critical servers outperformed the @ segment average as demand for Compaq Himalaya products remained steady."  E In other words Alpha sales dropped substantially as well. No surprise D there. And they'll drop further in future. Sure there might be a bitF of an upwards blip as ES45 backlogs work through but it's all downhillC from here on. And Compaq have only their own incompetence to blame. B I notice the drop in Alpha sales is implicit rather than explicit.@ Guess they can't quite flag their own stupidity in flashing neon lights.    -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 06:08:45 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)& Subject: Re: Compaq financial humour !< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110240508.8c8cf41@posting.google.com>  q "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<ertB7.584163$Lw3.35832864@news2.aus1.giganews.com>... 3 > John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch> wrote in message & > news:3BD64E3C.B526423F@dplanet.ch... > >  > >  > > JF Mezei wrote:  > > >  > > > Some more tidbits: > > > 
 > > > Revenu: J > > > Enterprise Group: 2.4 billion   (The segment reported a loss of $104 >  million.)J > > >         Industry standard server:                        1.4 billionA > > >         Business Critical Solutions Group was 0.590 billion  > > > 5 > > > Enterprise Storage Group: $412 million dollars,  > > > I > > > So for the enterprise servers, it seems that wintel has the biggest  >  share of > > > > revenus, with VMS/UNIX/TANDEM sharing a 590 million pie. > >  > > K > > My first take is that they  seem to be blaming market conditions rather L > > than any confusion and uncertainty about Alpha-to-Intel and Compaq-to-HP
 > > plans. > M > That was what they seemed to suggest verbally.  But the detailed commentary " > told a somewhat different story. > K > BCSG revenue was down 11% from Q2.  However, Non-Stop revenue and storage 5 > revenue were stated as being flat compared with Q2.  > N > That seems to mean that Alpha sales were down significantly (enough to bringK > the total down 11% despite stable Tandem and storage contributions), in a N > quarter when Himalaya and enterprise storage sales were flat.  Very specific" > 'market conditions', apparently. >  > - bill  L pcs are a losing business ... and it will only get worse ... one day we willM all be getting our aol mail and surfing the webb and paying bills and banking L on our digital tvs ... pcs will no longer be necessary ... a do it all cableJ box/cpu and tv will be our new internet link ... only the high end will beJ profitable as mainframes sit at time warner and process mail accounts, andK provide movies on demand for downloading ... they are very close to gaining L 1000x bandwidth for the net with optic fiber lans ... there is a co now thatJ is able to split light into 5 different spectrums and carry 5 data streamsK simultaneously then put the spectrum back together again ... only the multi K platform os's like unix, and vms will be needed as it will be more efficent J to run on a platform that supports multiple apps, multiple users since theJ power of cpus is able to support more and more each year ... to bad alphasJ won't be around, they could have ruled the cable world!  hopefully the vmsJ port will go ok and intel puts enough alpha logic into itanic to make it aJ stable platform ... only handheld pcs will thrive combined with cell phoneL technology ... the high end is were the money will be ... ibm knows this andO intel knows this ... thats why they wanted alpha secrets and out of the way ... N any co that thinks desktop pcs will make them money are nuts ... only businessJ will need pcs ... the home market will be gone!  and so will compaq and hp@ if they focus only on the pc market ... ITS THE HIGH END STUPID!   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:09:08 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>& Subject: Re: Compaq financial humour !? Message-ID: <8YzB7.587027$Lw3.35995177@news2.aus1.giganews.com>   - <Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com> wrote in message ) news:00256AEF.004353A8.00@quegw01.btyp... H > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza  >  > H > Surely there can't be much profit in a $50m deal which includes 50,000 Proliant
 > servers?   We are the CORP.   Profit is irrelevant.    We will be assimilated.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:36:20 +0200 & From: John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch>& Subject: Re: Compaq financial humour !) Message-ID: <3BD6FC14.2722F86@dplanet.ch>    Alan Greig wrote:  > =   H > On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 06:44:26 GMT, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> > wrote: > =   J > >That seems to mean that Alpha sales were down significantly (enough to=  bringJ > >the total down 11% despite stable Tandem and storage contributions), i= n a J > >quarter when Himalaya and enterprise storage sales were flat.  Very sp= ecific# > >'market conditions', apparently.  > =    > Note the following quote:  > =   J > http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/attachments/3Q01FinancialDiscussion.p= df > =   F > "Enterprise Computing revenue decreased $1.4 billion, or 38 percent,D > compared with the third quarter of 2000 and represented 32 percentF > of consolidated revenue during the quarter. On a year to date basis,F > revenue from this segment decreased $2.2 billion, or 22 percent. TheF > combination of weakness in the economy, aggressive pricing practicesJ > particularly in low-end industry standard servers, and Compaq=92s actio= nsJ > to significantly reduce channel inventories drove average selling price= s G > lower. Sales of Compaq=92s business critical servers outperformed the D > segment average as demand for Compaq Himalaya=99 products remained
 > steady." > =   G > In other words Alpha sales dropped substantially as well. No surprise F > there. And they'll drop further in future. Sure there might be a bitH > of an upwards blip as ES45 backlogs work through but it's all downhillE > from here on. And Compaq have only their own incompetence to blame. D > I notice the drop in Alpha sales is implicit rather than explicit.B > Guess they can't quite flag their own stupidity in flashing neon	 > lights.  > =    > -- > Alan    / But look at income over the last 3 quarters ...   J Total income =3D $429 million,  Enterprise =3D $ 102 million, Access (ie.=  B PCs) =3D loss of $485 million, Global Services =3D $809 million. =    F Drop the PCs (please) and we find income $ 914 of which Enterprise wasC about 11%.  Note also that it is very difficult to make a loss with . Global Services, the consulting arm of Compaq.  H By the way, did anyone else notice a total absence of anything about theD transfer of Alpha to Intel ?  What did Compaq do ?  Did they give it away ???     John McLean    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 03:08:30 -0700) From: geoffrey.ive@eskom.co.za (geoffrey) 3 Subject: Re: Compaq OpenVMS Network Monitoring Tool = Message-ID: <6f7eb035.0110240208.20698fc6@posting.google.com>   [ "Kenneth Randell" <jetr@erols.com> wrote in message news:<9r56lg$49s$1@bob.news.rcn.net>... 0 > Depends on how and what you want to monitor... > J > If you just want ethernet traffic generated on your system, it's not tooN > hard (documented someplace, my old brain just doesn't remember) via calls to > the driver to get stats  > G > You can get line counters from UCX or DECNET via appropriate commands  > K > If you really want to look at all traffic, the freeware package mentioned M > works okay, but in my experience needs a lot of horsepower on a busy net to 
 > keep up. > 
 > Ken Randell  > ; > Katherine M. Pohl <POHLKM@mail.suny.edu> wrote in message * > news:01K9UDJR9IW0004N0L@mail.suny.edu...N > > Does Compaq have a network monitoring tool (besides ECP data collector and  > > PAWZ) available for OpenVMS? > > Thanks, 	 > > Kathy C >There was a network test utility in vms, activated by $mcr dtsend, D which allowed users to force traffic onto a network and evaluate the	 response.  Geoffrey   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:27:37 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> - Subject: Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking 8 Message-ID: <iductt4o5ufg4fdoibvi7b0rtpffhg7r97@4ax.com>  5 On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:40:58 -0400, "Fred Kleinsorge" $ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:   > K >The only "writing on the wall" right now is being scribbled in crayon by a  >few people in this group.   Fred,   ? If OpenVMS engineering would stop living in a fantasy world and E confront Compaq management right now I'd be a lot happier, HP's Carly D has been talking at length to analysts. After she talks to them theyE immediately seem to be of the opinion that VMS has no future. Are you 4 really so blinkered you can't see why this might be?   > 8 >You guys take reading chicken entrails to a new height.  B Yep, I read them correctly for PDP-10/TOPS-10/TOPS-20, I read themF correctly for Alpha/NT and I read them correctly for Alpha itself. TheE only difference here is that I doubt that Carly can carry through her E kill VMS plan any more than previous DEC/Compaq management could. She ) can do enormous damage by neglect though.   A Carly talks to Aberdeen Group => Aberdeen Group recommends HP not B complete VMS port => Carly praises Aberdeen Group Report => CompaqE itself files said report with SEC., What part of this is hard for you  to figure out?   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 07:22:35 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking 3 Message-ID: <UmjPXMaFe4sb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <iductt4o5ufg4fdoibvi7b0rtpffhg7r97@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:7 > On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:40:58 -0400, "Fred Kleinsorge" & > <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote: >  >>L >>The only "writing on the wall" right now is being scribbled in crayon by a >>few people in this group.  >  > Fred,  > A > If OpenVMS engineering would stop living in a fantasy world and G > confront Compaq management right now I'd be a lot happier, HP's Carly F > has been talking at length to analysts. After she talks to them theyG > immediately seem to be of the opinion that VMS has no future. Are you 6 > really so blinkered you can't see why this might be?  D I presume that Fred and cohorts are busy writing code.  That is muchD more important to the future of VMS than tilting at windmills.  Even? if HP decides they don't want VMS, they will have to sell it to C someone else because of those restrictive government contracts that  require future support.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 09:49:35 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) - Subject: Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking 3 Message-ID: <JdA6Die+W85L@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <UmjPXMaFe4sb@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: b > In article <iductt4o5ufg4fdoibvi7b0rtpffhg7r97@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:8 >> On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:40:58 -0400, "Fred Kleinsorge"' >> <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  >>   >>> M >>>The only "writing on the wall" right now is being scribbled in crayon by a  >>>few people in this group. >>   >> Fred, >>  B >> If OpenVMS engineering would stop living in a fantasy world andH >> confront Compaq management right now I'd be a lot happier, HP's CarlyG >> has been talking at length to analysts. After she talks to them they H >> immediately seem to be of the opinion that VMS has no future. Are you7 >> really so blinkered you can't see why this might be?  > F > I presume that Fred and cohorts are busy writing code.  That is muchF > more important to the future of VMS than tilting at windmills.  EvenA > if HP decides they don't want VMS, they will have to sell it to E > someone else because of those restrictive government contracts that  > require future support.   B 	Yes... if HP grows tired of the profits VMS makes, I suppose they 	could sell it.   B 	Again, the large problem is that VMS makes money.  PCs don't.  If; 	they want to make money as a whole, they should sell their 4 	PC divisions to Dell and be done with that rathole.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:45:00 +0200 & From: John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch>- Subject: Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking * Message-ID: <3BD6FE1C.5F5196E3@dplanet.ch>   Rob Young wrote: > e > In article <UmjPXMaFe4sb@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: d > > In article <iductt4o5ufg4fdoibvi7b0rtpffhg7r97@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:: > >> On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:40:58 -0400, "Fred Kleinsorge") > >> <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  > >> > >>> O > >>>The only "writing on the wall" right now is being scribbled in crayon by a  > >>>few people in this group. > >>
 > >> Fred, > >>D > >> If OpenVMS engineering would stop living in a fantasy world andJ > >> confront Compaq management right now I'd be a lot happier, HP's CarlyI > >> has been talking at length to analysts. After she talks to them they J > >> immediately seem to be of the opinion that VMS has no future. Are you9 > >> really so blinkered you can't see why this might be?  > > H > > I presume that Fred and cohorts are busy writing code.  That is muchH > > more important to the future of VMS than tilting at windmills.  EvenC > > if HP decides they don't want VMS, they will have to sell it to G > > someone else because of those restrictive government contracts that  > > require future support.  > K >         Yes... if HP grows tired of the profits VMS makes, I suppose they  >         could sell it. > K >         Again, the large problem is that VMS makes money.  PCs don't.  If D >         they want to make money as a whole, they should sell their= >         PC divisions to Dell and be done with that rathole.  > % >                                 Rob   B Compaq should have done something similar about October 1999, justC before the Y2K scenario.  They should have spun off the PC division H while it was worth something, then slowly pulled away from it by sellingE shares to the public.  At that time Compaq would have made a tidy sum = and dropped a division which was headed for a downward slide.   E (It really wasn't that hard to predict that the big sales just before B Jan 1 2000 were simply to save the hassle of trying to discover ifD software was Y2K compatible. Hell I think most governments were even# giving tax breaks on PC purchases.)   F Now if they had done that, Compaq would have made some decent money inF the last few quarters and been in a reasonably good position, one thatC would be not that dissimilar to IBM who's shares have dropped a bit 2 recently but still nowhere near as much as Compaq.  A Okay so I can say this with hindsight.  I'm not a CEO.  CEO's are $ supposed to have business foresight.     John McLean    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 06:28:36 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>= Subject: Re: Converting an ODS-2 to an ODS-5 file system disk , Message-ID: <3BD697D4.5080807@tsoft-inc.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote:   1 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  >  > F >>One aspect of the "indirectly" is the question about what version ofD >>VMS is being used.  I believe they get few Alpha customers runningC >>V6.1 but many VAX customers running V5.5.  If those VAX customers ; >>wanted innovation more than stability they would upgrade.  >> > H > If those customers could get their drivers updated, they would jump atD > it. It is a shocker that people whould not get up to 5.5-2 though, > rembering the joys of 5.x...    D This whole argument about VAX users wanting stability and using the H argument that they're still on VMS version 5??? or whatever to prove it H is bogus.  For those truly wanting stability so much that they're still G on an old version the option to stay on that old version will continue  I to give them stability.  Anything in VMS V7.3 and such cannot affect the  E stability of the old version of VMS such people are using.  However,  I those VAX users on the latest version, or near to it, are there for some  H reason.  Possibly to run currently supported software.  Possibly to get B new features, such as the clustersize fix in V7.2, or the new web I server, or many other things.  These people, at least any who are paying  G for software support, are not getting the same consideration for their  ! monay as Alpha users are getting.   H I'm not saying that everything developer for Alpha has to be put on VAX H also.  There can be good reasons for differences.  However laziness and 4 casual disregard for VAX users are not good reasons.     Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:40:51 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>  Subject: Re: Copy command...) Message-ID: <3BD6B6D2.9C117298@gtech.com>   : >  What's the right way to copy all files, directories and > subdirectories from  >   >   a device to another device ? > A >   $ copy/log disk$100:[sales...]*.*;*  disk$200:[sales...]*.*;*  > G >    This command will create directory's tree in the device disk$c200:  > ???   # I would use BACKUP instead of COPY.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:51:09 +0200 % From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> & Subject: DCPS and manual feed timeout.. Message-ID: <9r6kgv$pnd$1@info.service.rug.nl>  E On our first generation postscript printers, which we used with DCPS, D we were used to set the manual feed time-out to a rather short time.: We did this with a piece of PostScript like the following:  C     serverdict begin xxxx exitserver        % xxxx is the printer =  password       statusdict beginE     0 60 0 setdefaulttimeouts              % job manualfeed wait 60 =  seconds      end   F The reason is that sometime people, by accident choose a wrong paper = size, I so that the printer requests manual input, which stalls the queue, and=20 H eventually the idle timeout time expires and the queue stops, or the jobF is placed in a hold status. With a manualfeed timeout shorter than theD idle timeout, the job aborts and an error page is printed, without = holding H the queue or generating held queue entries. People that really want to = use H a non-standard sort of paper, can insert the paper into the manual inputG tray within the manual feed timeout period, and their job will print=20 	 normally.   B For the newer generation of HP printers, however, this does work = anymore.: The above piece of postscript exits with an error message:C     invalidaccess: Attempt to acces restricted object or capability -     - offending command is setdefaulttimeouts   I I know that with PostScript level 2 and later, the exitserver method is =  not H recommended anymore, but I can not find how to change the manual feed=20D timeout now. This seems to be a printer specific extension of the=20@ PostScript standard. The PostScript standard does not mention=20C setdefaulttimeouts and for the HP printers we could not find the=20 + documentation for the PostSript extensions.   G Does someone have a piece of PostScript which accomplishes this job for ) HP PostScript level 2 and later printers?                        F.Z.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:32:25 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> $ Subject: Re: DECNET ping equivalent?) Message-ID: <3BD6FB29.33DC22E3@rdrop.com>    Bob Ceculski wrote:  > D > why remember it?  use it!  we use tcpware for phase iv over ip andC > smtp over decnet mail ... if you look a little while, you usually E > can find the products you need for vms, if not, write it!  there is D > no excuse not to be running vms now or in the immediate future ...8 > unless you want mr nimdas IIS nightmare ... good luck!  H Not all of us get to live in your private world; some of us have to deal( with SMTP hosts that don't speak DECNET.  D Sorry, but I'm tired of your tone and unwillingness to deal with theE _realities_ that the rest of us have to.  For only the second time in B two years, and maybe the fifth time in the fifteen years I've been involved with USENET...    Author = *PLONK*.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:14:17 +0200 = From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com> & Subject: Delta time between two date's) Message-ID: <3BD6B099.1C93EC65@dummy.com>    Hi. 4 Probably an easy one, but I can't find the answer...  2 How to get the "time-difference" between two dates) in delta time format "DDDD-HH:MM:SS.CC" ?   < Such as "23-OCT-2001 10:00:00.00" - 22-OCT-2001 08:30.00.00" = "1-01:30:00.00"    Regards  Jan-Erik Sderholm   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:14:51 -0400 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>* Subject: RE: Delta time between two date's- Message-ID: <0033000039365251000002L012*@MHS>   ? =0AIf you have DSNlink, there's an article with some DCL called , TIME.COM that was written by someone at DEC.  H $!       This command file calculates the differences between two dates= /times. A $!       The maximum difference is 10,000 days, less .01 seconds) 6 $!       Today + 10,000 days is 8-OCT-2024 12:31:44.19 $!? $!       The difference between Friday, 23-MAY-1997 00:00:00.00 : $!                     and Friday, 23-MAY-1997 00:00:00.00 $!       Is 0 days, 00:00:00.00 3 $!      (0 days, 00 hours 00 minutes 00.00 seconds)   4 Because it's nontrivial (a few hundred lines of DCL)1 not to mention copyrighted, I can't post it here.   @ They do a good deal of string manipulation to derive the output.  ? However, f$cvtime(xxx,,"COMPARISON") and f$cvtime(xxx,,"DELTA") + figure prominently in the scheme of things.    WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET + > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:28 AM D > To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET( > Subject: Delta time between two date's >  >  > Hi. 6 > Probably an easy one, but I can't find the answer... > 4 > How to get the "time-difference" between two dates+ > in delta time format "DDDD-HH:MM:SS.CC" ?  > > > Such as "23-OCT-2001 10:00:00.00" - 22-OCT-2001 08:30.00.00" > =3D "1-01:30:00.00"  > 	 > Regards  > Jan-Erik S=F6derholm >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:29:13 +0200 = From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com> * Subject: Re: Delta time between two date's) Message-ID: <3BD6C229.DA71B76F@dummy.com>    OK.  I don't have DSNlink set up.2 But I do have a software support contract for VMS,- so maybe someone could just mail the DCL file  directly to me ?   Jan-Erik Sderholm.   ( jan-erik.soderholm***$***pac.ericsson.se   Replace "***$***" with "@".      WILLIAM WEBB wrote:  > > > If you have DSNlink, there's an article with some DCL called. > TIME.COM that was written by someone at DEC. ...  > 6 > Because it's nontrivial (a few hundred lines of DCL)3 > not to mention copyrighted, I can't post it here.  >  >  > WWWebb   ------------------------------   Date: 24 OCT 2001 15:59:46 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> * Subject: Re: Delta time between two date's2 Message-ID: <24OCT01.15594629@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  > Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com> wrote: > Hi. 6 > Probably an easy one, but I can't find the answer... >   4 > How to get the "time-difference" between two dates+ > in delta time format "DDDD-HH:MM:SS.CC" ?  >   > > Such as "23-OCT-2001 10:00:00.00" - 22-OCT-2001 08:30.00.00" > = "1-01:30:00.00"   E Many years ago I picked up a utility (probably from a DECUS sig tape)  called TIME which will do this:   B  $ time/symb=x 23-OCT-2001 10:00:00.00 (-) 22-OCT-2001 08:30:00.00  $ show symb x    X = "   1-01:30:00.00"   F It does a number of other operations also.  It's in Fortran but I have< both VAX and alpha .objs.  Let me know if you're interested.   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:27:47 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> * Subject: Re: Delta time between two date's2 Message-ID: <h_BB7.45916$Z2.694996@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  8 "Dave Greenwood" <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote in message, news:24OCT01.15594629@feda01.fed.ornl.gov... >...H > It does a number of other operations also.  It's in Fortran but I have> > both VAX and alpha .objs.  Let me know if you're interested. >...  L I have two Fortran programs called DIF_DATES and DIF_TIMES the syntax in the .CLD is    ! DIFFTIMES time_1 time_2 = ! DIFFTIMES time_1 time_2 /SYMBOL[=symbol] [/LOCAL] [/GLOBAL] . ! DIFFTIMES time_1 time_2 /LOGICAL[=logname] -0 !                           [/TABLE[=tablename]], ! DIFFTIMES time_1 time_2 /OUTPUT[=filename]   and    ! DIFFDAYS date_1 date_2< ! DIFFDAYS date_1 date_2 /SYMBOL[=symbol] [/LOCAL] [/GLOBAL]@ ! DIFFDAYS date_1 date_2 /LOGICAL[=logname] [/TABLE[=tablename]]+ ! DIFFDAYS date_1 date_2 /OUTPUT[=filename]    $ difd today 25-dec 5 There are 62 days between 24-OCT-2001 and 25-DEC-2001 , $ dift "''f$time()'" 17-NOV-1858:00:00:00.00J The difference between 24-OCT-2001 12:18:53.10 and 17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00 is 52206 Days 12:18:53.10 ! $ difd today 25-dec/sym=days_left  $ show sym days_left DAYS_LEFT == "62" ( $ dift login "''f$time()'"/log=time_here $ show log time_here1 "TIME_HERE" = "0 02:57:47.03" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)   7 If anyone wants the .FOR and the .CLD then let me know.    ------------------------------  & Date: 24 Oct 2001 12:29:30 -0400 (EDT) From: KAPLANSKYM@NCCCOT.AGR.CA* Subject: Re: Delta time between two date's, Message-ID: <01K9VNV2RF5E0007CK@VMGW.AGR.CA>  d > From:	OTTGW::IN%"noone@dummy.com"  "Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?=" 24-OCT-2001 08:23:31.83% > Subj:	Delta time between two date's   4 > How to get the "time-difference" between two dates+ > in delta time format "DDDD-HH:MM:SS.CC" ?  > > > Such as "23-OCT-2001 10:00:00.00" - 22-OCT-2001 08:30.00.00" > =3D "1-01:30:00.00"  > 	 > Regards  > Jan-Erik S=F6derholm >     N Some time ago, Carl Lydick (remember him) posted the attached. You submit the M two times and it returns the delta time in the third parameter. Works for me.    Marvin Kaplansky    - $! DELTA_TIME.COM - from Carl J. Lydick - RIP F $! Usage:  @DELTA_TIME early_time late_time symbol_name_for_delta_time $	EARLY_TIME = F$CVT(P1) $	TMP2:= $	DEL/SYMBOL TMP2  $	TMP2 == F$CVT(P2,"ABSOLUTE")! $	IF	F$CVT(TMP2) .LTS. EARLY_TIME F $	THEN	WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "First time must be no later than second time" $		EXIT  $	ENDIF  $	IF	P3 .EQS. ""F $	THEN	WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "You must supply two times and a symbol name." $		EXIT  $	ENDIF 
 $	DAYS = 0
 $	TMP1 = 9999 M $ LBL0:	IF F$CVT(TMP2+"-"+F$STRING(TMP1)+"-") .LTS. EARLY_TIME THEN GOTO LBL1  $	DAYS = DAYS + TMP16 $	TMP2 = F$CVT(TMP2+"-"+F$STRING(TMP1)+"-","ABSOLUTE") $	GOTO LBL0  $ LBL1:	DEL/SYMBOL TMP1 5 $	CALL LBL4 "!AS-!UL-" "''TMP2'" 9999 "''EARLY_TIME'"  $	DAYS = TMP1        $ LBL2:	TMP = 233 $	CALL LBL4 "!AS--!UL" "''TMP2'" 23 "''EARLY_TIME'"  $	HOURS = TMP14 $	CALL LBL4 "!AS--:!UL" "''TMP2'" 59 "''EARLY_TIME'" $	MINUTES = TMP15 $	CALL LBL4 "!AS--::!UL" "''TMP2'" 59 "''EARLY_TIME'"  $	SECONDS = TMP16 $	CALL LBL4 "!AS--::.!UL" "''TMP2'" 99 "''EARLY_TIME'" $	CENTISECONDS = TMP1  $	DEL/SYMBOL/GLOBAL TMP1 $	DEL/SYMBOL/GLOBAL TMP2> $ LBL3:	'P3' == F$FAO("!UL-!2ZL:!2ZL:!2ZL.!2ZL", DAYS, HOURS,-! 		MINUTES, SECONDS, CENTISECONDS)  $	EXIT $ LBL4:	SUBROUTINE $	TMP1 == 0 . $ LBL5:	IF	F$CVT(F$FAO(P1, P2, 'P3')) .GES. P4 $	THEN	TMP1 == TMP1 + P3. $		P2 = F$CVT(F$FAO(P1, P2, 'P3'), "ABSOLUTE") $	ENDIF  $	IF P3 .LE. 1 THEN GOTO LBL6  $	P3 = (P3 + 1) / 2  $	GOTO LBL5  $ LBL6: TMP2 == P2 $	RETURN $	EXIT   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 07:50:03 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan); Subject: DS10 serial port card questions (PBXDA-AA = Digi?) = Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0110240650.3639c53f@posting.google.com>   A We need to locate a 4 port serial card (PBXDA-AA) for a DS10, but F Compaq lead time is currently quite excessive.  I understand these areA Digi boards, and from reviewing their site it appears they have a 8 couple types with VMS support, but the drivers list V7.xF compatibility, and only specifically list V7.1; given the dates on theE info, I assume nothing was updated for V7.2 or V7.3.  The OpenVMS SPD A does list the various PBXDA cards as supported with no mention of  needing additional drivers.   F So: are the PBXDA cards _standard_ Digi cards?  No modified firmware? D Which model are they (so I can do some third party searching)?  DoesE VMS V7.3 in fact support the cards without a downloaded driver, or do C I need to still get the driver from Digi?  Anyone using such a card  under VMS V7.3?   A Info appreciated.  I'll monitor the group through the day, but if 7 anyone feels like sending an email, that'd be fine too.    Rich Jordan  jordan@ccs4vms.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:12:42 -0400 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>? Subject: RE: DS10 serial port card questions (PBXDA-AA = Digi?) - Message-ID: <0033000039385953000002L032*@MHS>   + =0AI'd ask Dave Turner at Island Computers.   * He might have one, and they certainly have, experience with putting strange widgets into& various cabinetii to see what happens.   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET , > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:01 AMD > To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET? > Subject: DS10 serial port card questions (PBXDA-AA =3D Digi?)  >  > C > We need to locate a 4 port serial card (PBXDA-AA) for a DS10, but H > Compaq lead time is currently quite excessive.  I understand these ar= e C > Digi boards, and from reviewing their site it appears they have a : > couple types with VMS support, but the drivers list V7.xH > compatibility, and only specifically list V7.1; given the dates on th= e H > info, I assume nothing was updated for V7.2 or V7.3.  The OpenVMS SPD=  C > does list the various PBXDA cards as supported with no mention of  > needing additional drivers.  > H > So: are the PBXDA cards _standard_ Digi cards?  No modified firmware?=  F > Which model are they (so I can do some third party searching)?  DoesH > VMS V7.3 in fact support the cards without a downloaded driver, or do=  E > I need to still get the driver from Digi?  Anyone using such a card  > under VMS V7.3?  > C > Info appreciated.  I'll monitor the group through the day, but if 9 > anyone feels like sending an email, that'd be fine too.  > 
 > Rich Jordan  > jordan@ccs4vms.com >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:31:57 -0500 , From: "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com>? Subject: Re: DS10 serial port card questions (PBXDA-AA = Digi?) 2 Message-ID: <9r6q2o$fkt$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  > I already put in a request through his website.  We'll see....   Rich Jordan     B WILLIAM WEBB wrote in message <0033000039385953000002L032*@MHS>...  ( I'd ask Dave Turner at Island Computers.  * He might have one, and they certainly have, experience with putting strange widgets into& various cabinetii to see what happens.   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET , > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:01 AMD > To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET= > Subject: DS10 serial port card questions (PBXDA-AA = Digi?)  >  > C > We need to locate a 4 port serial card (PBXDA-AA) for a DS10, but : > Compaq lead time is currently quite excessive.  ........ > 
 > Rich Jordan  > jordan@ccs4vms.com >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 05:26:15 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: ECC; Message-ID: <ZOvB7.11989$MG4.1849050@news20.bellglobal.com>   9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:87zo6hn6cn.fsf@prep.synonet.com...  [snip] > F > Or for the faint of heart, 40 bits. 39 for anger, plus a spare! Plus( > it fits 10 4 bit chips much better. ;) > ? > Down side for all of them, is that is a *chip* dies, or there 8 > is a common error, neither SEC nor DED is of much use. > G Agreed. But the people who make me nervous are the over-clocking idiots H running with no memory error detection at all while trying to be part ofI some kind of distributed computing community like SETI at home etc. Alpha G particles aside, pushing the electrical limits of a system's components L should justify the importance of memory error detection in all systems large
 and small.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:39:44 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: ECCL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2410011339450001@user-2ive7ih.dialup.mindspring.com>  H In article <ZOvB7.11989$MG4.1849050@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote:   ; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ) > news:87zo6hn6cn.fsf@prep.synonet.com...  > [snip] > > H > > Or for the faint of heart, 40 bits. 39 for anger, plus a spare! Plus* > > it fits 10 4 bit chips much better. ;) > > A > > Down side for all of them, is that is a *chip* dies, or there : > > is a common error, neither SEC nor DED is of much use. > > I > Agreed. But the people who make me nervous are the over-clocking idiots J > running with no memory error detection at all while trying to be part ofK > some kind of distributed computing community like SETI at home etc. Alpha I > particles aside, pushing the electrical limits of a system's components N > should justify the importance of memory error detection in all systems large > and small.    H The mersenne prime hunters ( www.mersenne.org ) find that something like 1% of their results are wrong.  C This is for a calculation that typically lasts a few weeks or a few = months, and where any undetected error will render the result I meaningless.  The end result is that a Very Large multi-precision integer @ is either zero or nonzero -- there's no way for the answer to be "approximately correct".  G All the calculations are repeated, and the results have to match before  they are considered valid.  G Most of the calculations are done on PeeCees, and many of the folks are J addicted to overclocking.  I always wonder how much the high error rate isG caused by overclocking, and how much by insufficient ECC protection and  cheapo components.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:12:04 +0800 * From: "Carlos Chua" <cchua@singnet.com.sg># Subject: EMC Symmetrix on OpenVMS ? . Message-ID: <9r6i72$goi$1@coco.singnet.com.sg>   Hi,   K Has anyone tried connecting their Alphaserver to EMC Symmetrix? My OS level L is OpenVMS V6.2. As this doesn't support multiple path access to disks driveF yet, I need some suggestion on how to create a configuration that willI prevent single point of failure. Is there anyway to protect from the SCSI D HBA failure aside from using volume shadowing? EMC disks are alreadyJ mirrored protected. If I use volume shadowing, I will end up with 4 copies which is too much.   Thanks in advance,   Carlos chuacarlos@hotmail.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:39:02 GMT ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> ? Subject: Re: Finding GNU "find" that builds from source for VMS - Message-ID: <3BD69A46.7ABC3EDA@theblakes.com>   B Expect to see some substantial changes in this area real soon now!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:38:33 -0400 * From: John Reagan <john.reagan@compaq.com>? Subject: Re: Finding GNU "find" that builds from source for VMS ) Message-ID: <3BD6C459.6030007@compaq.com>    Ben Armstrong wrote:D > I came across a great little project, gnv.sourceforge.net, but theC > utilities bundled with their distribution are binary only (oh the  > horrors!)   G There is a backing CVS library to many of the GNV binaries, but you'll  F find (pardon the pun) that the sources don't quite match the binaries.  H Much of what I've been doing over the past 10 months is to get matching F sources for the binaries, port more of the GNU components, and update  the CVS library.  E The good news is that the library will be updated sometime this week.   F The bad news is that GNV still doesn't provide the autotools.  I hand H crafted config.h files and makefile.com files for each GNU component (I F did findutils, diffutils, textutils, fileutils, sh-utils, grep, less, D and a few others).  Also, the "bad" news is that the config.h files F match the COE version of OpenVMS.  A future task should be to add the H appropriate #if on _CRTL_VER in the config.h files.  I should have done F that as I went along, but I didn't.  Sorry.  Also, there is some work 7 underway to try to provide the autotools in the future.   I As for the find in findutils, I started with findutils 4.1 from gnu.org.  F   I had to make changes to find/pred.c to change its use of fork() to I vfork() (used with find -exec) and additional changes with restoring the  F current working directory since vfork() isn't quite the same.  I also   fixed one typo in find/parser.c.  B So if you can wait until next week, the GNV CVS library should be 6 refreshed with files that might be more useful to you.   John Reagan ' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leader    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:36:08 -0400 * From: John Reagan <john.reagan@compaq.com>? Subject: Re: Finding GNU "find" that builds from source for VMS ) Message-ID: <3BD6EDF8.1060102@compaq.com>    John Reagan wrote:  G > The good news is that the library will be updated sometime this week.  >   ( I should clarify what I wrote earlier...  I The updates that are occuring now are source-only updates.  I don't have  G   pre-built binaries in a easy-to-use package.  I've left instructions  F with the next person that will "own" GNV that such a pre-built set of ! binaries would be needed/desired.   H I'm off to spend the next several months getting the IMACRO compiler up , and running for the OpenVMS port to Itanium.   --   John Reagan ' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leader    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 00:00:39 -0700! From: dodi_abx@hotmail.com (dodi) " Subject: Re: fixing Error Count...< Message-ID: <fd561df.0110232300.5abb3e98@posting.google.com>   Hi.. Thank replying my question... C You are right...but after it turn off and re-start, the disk having B error count again...The disk is used for work file area with totalE size 4 milion bloks device is RZ1BB-CS. I tried to analyze, but don't 9 know reading of the report content. It's only code writen - "UCB$L-ERRCNT  00000016  16. ERROR THIS UNIT" F Where I can find the meaning of error code from analyze system report.   Thx.  h koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<275PH6NUV$Rl@eisner.encompasserve.org>...b > In article <fd561df.0110230356.2f1c9a03@posting.google.com>, dodi_abx@hotmail.com (dodi) writes:L > > Is there someone can help me, about how to check/prevent our disks from  > > error count. >  >    Turn them off.  > G >    You've got to give us at least a clue to what kind of disks you're J >    using if you want real help.  Soft errors on older disks were routineH >    and routinely ignored.  Hard errors mean it's time to buy somethingG >    new.  Very old versions of VMS would log an error if you mounted a 6 >    write locked disk without the /nowrite qualifier. > = >    So how are we supposed to figure out what you are doing?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:30:15 +0200 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>* Subject: Re: How know last system restart?+ Message-ID: <3BD6D076.3C570353@digital.com>    That should be)    $ write sys$output f$cvtime("Bootime")      Mike   Nic Clews wrote: >  > Benito wrote: I > > Im new in VMS and i need to know the last system boot date/time, the ( > > VMS is OpenVMS AXP Version V7.1-1H2. > >  > > Can anybody help me. > J > Welcome to VMS. DCL can help with this, not sure of your background, butH > consider this command is 'peeking' a memory location. The WRITE should9 > be self explanatory, and SYS$OUTPUT is, where to write.  > ) > $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETSYI("BOOTTIME")  > + > Loads more fun ones where this came from.  > --* > Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences > nclews at csc dot com    --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:40:24 +0200 = From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com> * Subject: Re: How know last system restart?) Message-ID: <3BD6B6B8.33A087BE@dummy.com>    Funny...  ' $ write sys$output f$cvtime("Boottime")  2001-01-25 08:57:36.00' $ write sys$output f$getsyi("Boottime")  25-JAN-2001 08:57:36.00  $    but :   & $ write sys$output f$cvtime("Bootime") 2001-01-25 08:57:36.00& $ write sys$output f$getsyi("Bootime")A %DCL-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spelling 
  \BOOTIME\ $   6 And using "boottime" (or "bootime") in f$cvtime is not
 documented...    Jan-Erik Sderholm     Mike Rechtman wrote: >  > That should be+ >    $ write sys$output f$cvtime("Bootime")  >  > Mike   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:54:31 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> * Subject: Re: How know last system restart?2 Message-ID: <SCAB7.45877$Z2.694414@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  7 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <noone@dummy.com> wrote in message # news:3BD6B6B8.33A087BE@dummy.com... 
 > Funny... > ) > $ write sys$output f$cvtime("Boottime")  > 2001-01-25 08:57:36.00) > $ write sys$output f$getsyi("Boottime")  > 25-JAN-2001 08:57:36.00  > $  >  > but :  > ( > $ write sys$output f$cvtime("Bootime") > 2001-01-25 08:57:36.00( > $ write sys$output f$getsyi("Bootime")C > %DCL-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spelling  >  \BOOTIME\ > $  > 8 > And using "boottime" (or "bootime") in f$cvtime is not > documented...   @ Actually, write sys$output f$cvtime("Bootxxx"), write sys$outputJ f$cvtime("logixxx") and write sys$output f$cvtime("tomoxxx") works just asC well. When the new date formats LOGIN and BOOT were added to TODAY, I YESTERDAY and TOMORROW most programs that accept standard VMS dates could F also accept LOGIN and BOOT (or any string that starts with the first 4 characters of those keywords :)    SET STANDARD_RANT/ONG Except of course, DIAGNOSE, which is the ONLY program where I have ever 0 wanted to use /SINCE=BOOT. SET STANDARD_RANT/OFF   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:49:49 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)* Subject: Re: How know last system restart?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2410011349500001@user-2ive7ih.dialup.mindspring.com>  F In article <23OCT200121262343@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote:     H > Nuts. I suspected I didn't manage to cancel that before it propigated.H > After typing it in and sending it, I said to myself "that doesn't look  > right" and actually tested it.  C Hmm.  You should know better than to do such things in comp.os.vms, # especially since your name is Carl!    :-)    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:50:56 GMT 3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>  Subject: Re: I am changing jobs / Message-ID: <3BD6E2BA.F0AEA1EA@cableinet.co.uk>    Bob Ceculski wrote:  > m > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in message news:<U%YA7.776$RL6.8375@news.cpqcorp.net>...  > > Dear Newsgroup,  > > P > > I just wanted to let you know that I am changing jobs.  As of last week I amP > > now part of the OpenVMS Technical Field Programs group and no longer part of  > > the OpenVMS Marketing group. > > N > > I will still be doing pretty much the same the same thing as before, but I > > just wanted to let you know  > >  > > Warm Regards,  > >  > > Sue  > K > the defcon9 "unhackable" article was great!  this needs to get out to the O > IIS, nimda num pc crowd and to gartner that there is a secure web alternative K > to IIS, and its not unix, its vms!  why not circulate this article around L > to the press, vendors, the web, everywhere?  why is compaq mngt (capellas)P > keeping this a secret?  this is the vms promotion of a lifetime at the perfectQ > time gartner has just hammered IIS, and this article, besides the places myself Q > and a few others have posted or emailed, has been silenced to the openvms times H > site ... am i wrong about this? whats wrong your marketing department?O > are they being told to keep silent or do they really understand anything more  > than windows and pcs?   F does it say anything to you that it took a 3rd party to actually setup thisF hacktest? It has been suggested to and rejected by Compaq in the past.   --   Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk     C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of  ! my employers or service provider.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:53:11 +0200 & From: John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch> Subject: Re: I am changing jobs * Message-ID: <3BD70007.9C9C4F90@dplanet.ch>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Hamlyn Mootoo wrote: > > [snip] I honestly didn't: > > know there was a group specifically for VMS marketing. > F > Neither did I. When do they start work? That is to say, when do theyH > come forth with their first effort? So, far we've seen nothing I wouldG > associate with a marketing group, rather perhaps a freshman marketing 
 > student. >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ >   = Must be a Virtual Marketing System.  You know, one that never  *physically* does anything.      John   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:09:03 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: It's Friday) Message-ID: <3BD6AF5F.897FAC93@127.0.0.1>    Paul Repacholi wrote:  > 3 > StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood) writes:  > E > > My 4 year old daughter has her own VMS account on my AlphaStation   I > Go and get Nethack and install it for her. Best favor you can do a kid. D > X.... ah, xboing!! is another one that keeps them out of mischief.  E I run up a number of the motif toys, my daughter likes the xfishtank,  and the catclock   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:18:21 +0300  From: inwcdu@aol.comE Subject: MEET OVER HUNDRED OF WOMEN IN YOUR CITY FROM MY WEBSITE  307 . Message-ID: <tvp5r9.9k6.ln@mail.atlas.kiev.ua>  9 would you like to meet women or men online and fuck them?  Please visit my website   & http://www.grocerystoresex.com/fafaffd frjbfwggqxoeisxhtjhppouyhlmdh    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:05:52 +0100  From: paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com: Subject: Memo:  Re: Compaq OpenVMS Network Monitoring ToolE Message-ID: <OF32C1E619.EB81C6D5-ON80256AEF.0031D4A0@systems.uk.hsbc>   G Or you could have a look at EMU - also on the freeware disk (alert - my 
 contribution)  Paul      D ********************************************************************B  This message and any attachments are confidential to the ordinaryB  user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also>  be privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy,8  forward, disclose or use any part of the message or itsC  attachments and if you have received this message in error, please B  notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from
  your system.   =  Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or A  error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, >  arrive late or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not?  accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context of ?  this message which arise as a result of Internet transmission.    D  Any opinions contained in this message are those of the author and ?  are not given or endorsed by the HSBC Group company or office  =  through which this message is sent unless otherwise clearly  A  indicated in this message and the authority of the author to so  3  bind the HSBC entity referred to is duly verified.   D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:52:27 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> Y Subject: Mistaken ideas Compaq has on why customers stay on VAX (was Re: Converting an OD 2 Message-ID: <FIzB7.45862$Z2.694219@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message+ news:72jB7.837$RL6.9674@news.cpqcorp.net...  >.. L > Customers who easily have moved to recent VMS versions, also can "usually"" > move easily to Alpha - and have. >...  C The last time I checked, the difference between a VMS upgrade and a E migration to Alpha was a difference in Person-Months or in some cases J Person-Years. That is the reason people stay on the VAX, it is not because we do not want new features.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 09:52:59 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) Y Subject: Re: Mistaken ideas Compaq has on why customers stay on VAX (was Re: Converting a 3 Message-ID: <KZp80g51Ahff@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <FIzB7.45862$Z2.694219@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes:B > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- > news:72jB7.837$RL6.9674@news.cpqcorp.net...  >>..M >> Customers who easily have moved to recent VMS versions, also can "usually" # >> move easily to Alpha - and have.  >>...  > E > The last time I checked, the difference between a VMS upgrade and a G > migration to Alpha was a difference in Person-Months or in some cases L > Person-Years. That is the reason people stay on the VAX, it is not because > we do not want new features. >   E 	Operative word is "can."  Some "can't."  Too bad for them.  A recent @ 	VAX to Alpha cluster conversion went well for us two weeks ago.E 	Not a single source code change other than to repoint interfaces and ( 	they periodically get repointed anyhow.  ' 	That would fall in the "can" category.    				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:00:14 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)Y Subject: Re: Mistaken ideas Compaq has on why customers stay on VAX (was Re: Converting a 1 Message-ID: <2IAB7.877$RL6.9660@news.cpqcorp.net>   b In article <FIzB7.45862$Z2.694219@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes:A :"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message , :news:72jB7.837$RL6.9674@news.cpqcorp.net... :>..M :> Customers who easily have moved to recent VMS versions, also can "usually" # :> move easily to Alpha - and have.  :>...  : D :The last time I checked, the difference between a VMS upgrade and aF :migration to Alpha was a difference in Person-Months or in some casesK :Person-Years. That is the reason people stay on the VAX, it is not because  :we do not want new features.   J   I suspect the two of you are in "violent agreement" -- but are phrasing F   your answers and your approach to the question rather differently.    H   If you have a site that can *not* easily upgrade from one OpenVMS VAX I   release to the next, then you can (and usually correctly) infer that a  J   move to OpenVMS Alpha at the same site would involve more effort.  This G   when compared to a site that can easily upgrade from one OpenVMS VAX     release to the next.  I   Those folks that cannot easily upgrade from one OpenVMS VAX release to  K   the next are usually -- but not always, of course -- the same folks that  I   depend on undocumented OpenVMS features or behaviours, or on code that  B   is specific to the VAX architecture or to the OpenVMS version.    H   Put another way, the folks that don't predict (correctly or otherwise)I   any particular value add(s) to their business -- in comparision to the  H   costs of the upgrade -- tend to be the same folks that do not upgrade.  G   This is not to say that there are no OpenVMS VAX sites that want new  
   features...    	--   M   In some ways, these existing OpenVMS VAX customers are on the leading edge  J   of the new market -- folks will now quite often treat the computer as a K   box that solves their problem(s), and they don't look to upgrade the box. K   When the capabilities of the box prove insufficient for the requirements, L   the folks look to replace the existing box with a new box, or add another J   box to the existing box.  For better or worse, the computer business is I   heading away from in-box upgrades and away from software upgrades, and  I   toward the "toaster" model -- when the box no longer meets your needs,  ?   you buy a new one and (if appropriate) throw the old one out.      But I digress...        N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:21:14 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged) Message-ID: <3BD6961A.B8761794@127.0.0.1>    Tim Llewellyn wrote:  H > All in the best of humour, (I hope) obviously. Execept that the decent
 > helpdesk( > application seems to be sadly lacking.  F Rubbish. Best 'helpdesk' application BY FAR AND AWAY is (Open) Pursuit from Marval.  E I've used probably every pointy clicky crappy system there is, and an G odd one or two under VMS appallingly designed, but Pursuit puts them to  shame.  D You'll pay real money for this though, but you'll get a real service management system.  E Designed for ONE HANDED OPERATION (cos your other hand is holding the  phone).   H OK it has a point clicky interface to impress the bean counters, but theC interface that matters on character cell terminals is intuitive and 	 flexible.   H The best of it is, it runs on VMS, natively designed and programmed, and ported to the lesser.   % Check it out http://www.marval.co.uk/   G (personal opinion, not that of my employer, as if you needed reminding)  --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:14:08 GMT , From: "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.com> Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged9 Message-ID: <4oxB7.2676$Yb1.154610@typhoon.austin.rr.com>   = In message <3BD444D6.698CAFEF@cableinet.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn & <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> wrote: >  .....  > I > what about "pillow talk"? Does being seduced by a spy count as torture?  > 	 > regards  >   K Depends how many times you are "seduced".  After 7 or 8 times it can become  painful.   --  4 Jay E. Morris Epsilon 3 Productions www.epsilon3.com@ Posted with Ink Spot (for Windows CE) from DejaVu Software, Inc.8 Usenet wherever you are - http://www.dejavusoftware.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 07:26:37 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged3 Message-ID: <52aSE31iBayc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <3BD6961A.B8761794@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:  J > The best of it is, it runs on VMS, natively designed and programmed, and > ported to the lesser.  > ' > Check it out http://www.marval.co.uk/    That page comes up blank. F It takes a lot to find a vendor whose web site is worse than Compaq's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:54:00 +0000   From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged/ Message-ID: <00256AEF.004C5CAB.00@quegw01.btyp>   L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    K Look like it requires Flash or Java or something, because it starts with an 
 animation.  O Even so, with the many references in the pages behind, a pity it refers to DEC, K VAX Mail, DEC VMS and other use of names which makes you think they haven't L taken much care over their website, or that the product they sell for VMS is 'old'.  K I don't know anything about it mind, the product itself could be wonderful.    Steve S         A Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) on 10/24/2001 12:26:37 PM     To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages) O From:      Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen), 24 October 2001, 12:26 p.m.    Re: Mitnick Uncaged         L In article <3BD6961A.B8761794@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:   J > The best of it is, it runs on VMS, natively designed and programmed, and > ported to the lesser.  > ' > Check it out http://www.marval.co.uk/    That page comes up blank. F It takes a lot to find a vendor whose web site is worse than Compaq's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:41:46 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged) Message-ID: <3BD6EF4A.962E8C6E@127.0.0.1>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: >   ) > > Check it out http://www.marval.co.uk/  >  > That page comes up blank. H > It takes a lot to find a vendor whose web site is worse than Compaq's.  H Perhaps it requires some plug in or feature that I've carelessly allowedA my system to install for my comfort and convenience. I hate that.    Try    http://www.marval.nl/master.htm   * Speaking of irritating, try these of mine:  ( http://www.python.demon.co.uk/annoy.html, http://www.python.demon.co.uk/annoymore.html  B Perhaps I'm a little cutting and cruel in the first with regard toD Netscape. For the remainder I make no apologies. but they are fairly old.   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 04:34:43 -07001 From: anders_wallin@altavista.com (Anders Wallin) ( Subject: NFS, proxies and dynamic memory< Message-ID: <6cc41c7.0110240334.78c0d4d8@posting.google.com>   Hello!  I I have a problem accessing a NFS-mounted VMS disk from a remote VMS node. F When looking in the logfile the entries show that proxy matching seemsF to fail, I get uid=-2 and gid=-2. I have double checked uid and gid onE client and server node, and checked that the username matches the VMS  username on the server node.  G When looking at the proxies (UCX SHOW PROXY) I notice that most of them F are of the type O or ON. There are very few of the OD or OND type. The8 help text and the manuals mention D (as dynamic memory).  A 1) Will the proxies work if the do not have type D (OD, ND, OND)?  2) How make them "dynamic"?  3) Any other hints?   G We have approx 300 proxies set up on the computer hosting the disk. The F command UCX SHOW COMM shows that max number of proxies are set to 550.   Thanks
 Anders Wallin    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 07:36:03 -0700, From: dframeli@aus.telusa.com (Dale Frameli)+ Subject: Paging File Quota ECO for VMS 6.x? = Message-ID: <de844d64.0110240636.7debe9e8@posting.google.com>   D Please see the message below...  My counterparts in Japan have askedE me to find out: Which ECO kit contained the patch for the PFQ problem E mentioned below?, Which programs did the patch patch? and How exactly # did the patch correct the problems?   6   Anyone know anything about this particular ECO kit?   8   Please contact me directly at: dframeli@aus.telusa.com   Thanks,  Dale    0 ================================================ Dale,   E A few years ago, we had VMS problem on VMS 6.x. Now VMS6.2 is already ; released and the problem was fixed, but we need more detail B information. Digital Japan said VMS6.x for English has a patch kitD named "ECO kit" which is used for fixing the problem. The summary of? this problem, Paging File Quota (P.F.Q.) is decreasing when the E program, here it means our GC, uses the function "Lib$Spawn" which is F provided by Compaq. If P.F.Q. is decreased, there are no P.F.Q. in theC system, sub process of GC, i.e. EQM, will be down. Then the message C "%SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded" or "%LOGIN-F-CLISYMTBL, F error creating space for command interpreter symbol table" is put out.  @ Now, we'd like to know what is "ECO kit", what "ECO kit" have an, effect on and how "ECO kit" fix the problem.   Thanks,  Mako   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2001 23:20:19 -0700) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) F Subject: Re: PC164, OVMS7.2, isacfg and graphic cards (MACH64, S3 968)< Message-ID: <55f85d77.0110232220.fd29cce@posting.google.com>  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3BD621B8.C256FBC0@fsi.net>... > Island Computers wrote:  > 2 > > Any S3Trio64 based PCI card should work though > ? > Do they work with vanilla VMS/DECwindows or do I need Open3D?   F I don't know if they work with Open3D - never tried. I have never been? able to get these cards to do more than 8bpp (256 colours) with  DECWindows.   E I used one for a time at home on my OpenVMS PC164 (and still use one  D on my 2nd PC164 system - A "number 9" actually), however upgraded toE ELSA GLoria on the two OpenVMS workstations I use (DPWS 600au at work  and PC164 at home).   C We use Trio64 "local-corner-PC-store-generics" on our OpenVMS/Tru64 F Alpha systems at work as the console device through a keyboard monitorC switch. One OpenVMS machine is "OpenVMS Operator Console" only, the  others DECWindows/Motif.  D You will need an SVGA monitor with these cards as "sort of SVGA" and VGA will not work.  E I don't think you can use the later versions of the Trio64 that had a C collection of extra letters on the end V+ V2+ or something similar.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:26:45 -0400 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> F Subject: Re: PC164, OVMS7.2, isacfg and graphic cards (MACH64, S3 968)1 Message-ID: <nSCB7.899$RL6.9937@news.cpqcorp.net>    Patrick Young wrote in message3 <55f85d77.0110232220.fd29cce@posting.google.com>... = >"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message # news:<3BD621B8.C256FBC0@fsi.net>...  >> Island Computers wrote: >>3 >> > Any S3Trio64 based PCI card should work though  >>@ >> Do they work with vanilla VMS/DECwindows or do I need Open3D? > G >I don't know if they work with Open3D - never tried. I have never been @ >able to get these cards to do more than 8bpp (256 colours) with >DECWindows. >     ? Nor will you.  Although its just a small matter of programming.   E >I used one for a time at home on my OpenVMS PC164 (and still use one E >on my 2nd PC164 system - A "number 9" actually), however upgraded to F >ELSA GLoria on the two OpenVMS workstations I use (DPWS 600au at work >and PC164 at home). > D >We use Trio64 "local-corner-PC-store-generics" on our OpenVMS/Tru64G >Alpha systems at work as the console device through a keyboard monitor D >switch. One OpenVMS machine is "OpenVMS Operator Console" only, the >others DECWindows/Motif.  > E >You will need an SVGA monitor with these cards as "sort of SVGA" and  >VGA will not work.  > F >I don't think you can use the later versions of the Trio64 that had aD >collection of extra letters on the end V+ V2+ or something similar.  J You can use the V+, but not the V2.  I actually *have* a server for the V2J tucked away someplace, but it was never released, and we never sold boards with a V2 on it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:24:10 -0400 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> F Subject: Re: PC164, OVMS7.2, isacfg and graphic cards (MACH64, S3 968)1 Message-ID: <YPCB7.898$RL6.9983@news.cpqcorp.net>    Vanilla Motif.  No Open3D.  A David J. Dachtera wrote in message <3BD621B8.C256FBC0@fsi.net>...  >Island Computers wrote: >>L >> Actually we purchased a load of IBM branded S3Trio64 2mb PCI cards - they >> work perfectly  >> >> DEC used the Number 9 Brand >>1 >> Any S3Trio64 based PCI card should work though  > > >Do they work with vanilla VMS/DECwindows or do I need Open3D? >  >--  >David J. Dachtera >dba DJE Systems >http://www.djesys.com/  > ) >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:   >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:44:55 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>  Subject: Re: Printing to NLA0:? ) Message-ID: <3BD6B7C7.3062DEAA@gtech.com>    Rick Dyson wrote: N >         Does anyone know a way to setup a print queue that will not actually@ > print (or physically require a printer) a job submitted to it?   There are one at:   9 http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/SYMBIONT/SYMBIONT.ZIP    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:50:29 +0200 & From: John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch> Subject: Re: Printing to NLA0:? * Message-ID: <3BD6FF65.BB6B7C9A@dplanet.ch>   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote: > =    > Rick Dyson wrote: J > >         Does anyone know a way to setup a print queue that will not a= ctually B > > print (or physically require a printer) a job submitted to it? > =    > There are one at:  > =   ; > http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/SYMBIONT/SYMBIONT.ZIP  > =    > Arne  / Does this one terminate the job immediately ? =     H  I wrote a few years ago which copied to the NL device but it still tookG to long to access the file to "print".  I changed it so the first thing A the symbiont did was report an end-of-file.  It worked great with 2 PRINT/DELETE ... jobs just disappeared in a flash.     John   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:20:23 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> % Subject: Re: Runtime JAVA for openvms ) Message-ID: <3BD679C7.BDBFD497@gtech.com>    Piet Timmers wrote: ] > Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message news:<3BC8872E.3BC0990A@gtech.com>...  > > Piet Timmers wrote: ? > > > Can anyone tell me where to get java runtime for openvms. T > > > I have tried http://www.digital.com/java but this does not work at the moment. > > 9 > > http://www.compaq.com/java/ is the correct start URL.  > > . > > It was down yesterday, but it is up today. > 7 > Ok, it is up now, but where to find java for OpenVMS?    1)  go to that URL 2)  click Alpha  3)  click download   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:44:30 -0000 / From: Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> @ Subject: Re: SEDT problems on RedHat 7.1 (was Re: EDT for Linux)/ Message-ID: <ttdkueeqk0c848@corp.supernews.com>   4 In comp.os.vms Lee Roth <leeroth@my-deja.com> wrote:, : Shoulda learned C instead of Perl I guess.  . Don't say that ... I know both and Perl rocks!   --   -- Mike Zarlenga   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:47:48 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> ! Subject: Re: SET FILE/ATTRIB in C ) Message-ID: <3BD6B874.9F08B563@gtech.com>    Allan Hansen wrote: C > Does anyone have an example of how to do the equivalent of an SET G > FILE/ATTRIB=(RFM:FIX etc...) in a C program (not by using system() or  > similar) ???  > http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/COLLECTION/FIX_SAVESET.ZIP   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:42:02 GMT ! From: Ian Parker <parker@gol.com> + Subject: Re: SuperDLT on older (EV5) Alphas & Message-ID: <hWkR8CAc5m17Ew40@gol.com>  8 In article <9r43m6$mba@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>, Bryan Jensen" <bjj100@arlvax.arl.psu.edu> writes> >In article <8af17fe1.0110221143.4ac14675@posting.google.com>,B >   alphaman-nixspam@hsv.sungardtrust.com (Aaron Sakovich) writes:? >>JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) wrote in message  = >>     news:<9pifun$s9a$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>... L >>> We want to replace the trusty TZ88 DLT drive on our AS 800 with a CompaqH >>> SuperDLT drive (with an Ultra 2 SCSI interface card).  Compaq hasn'tN >>> qualfied the drive with the AlphaServer 800, but have no reason to believe( >>> it won't work.  The OS is VMS 7.2-1. >>> O >>> Has anybody tried with combination that experienced unforseen difficulties? M >>> Would the 11 MB/sec transfer rate on the SDLT present a problem if backup O >>> can't feed it that fast (I don't see anything in the specs about dual speed 
 >>> support).  >>E >>I'm interested too, but want to put it on an AlphaStation 500.  The F >>specs say that it will work in either LVD or SE mode; anyone know ifE >>the standard SE interface on the AS500 will fit the bill?  I'm also ' >>curious about data starvation issues.  > ? >I've only had a SuperDLT drive for a short time, but here's my  >experience. > G >I am using a Quantum LVD SuperDLT drive on a 400MHz AlphaServer 1000A  H >running VMS 7.2-1.  It has an KZPCA SCSI LVD/SE interface dedicated to ? >the tape drive.  It's not fast enough to keep the tape moving.  > G >I have also tried it on a VAXstation 4000/90A (single ended of course)  >and found it to work ok.  > G >It seems to handle data starvation just fine (unlike 8mm and DAT tapes G >which seem to eat the oxide off the tape when you don't feed them data  >quick enough).  >  >Two problems I had (or have): > ; >1)  Half of our order of 10 Compaq SDLT tapes arrived bad. G >    As would be expected with any DLT drive, one resulted in a dropped " >    leader necessitating service. > A >2)  It seems it may take days to restore a single file.  The VMS E >    algorithm for skipping savesets seems to require multiple passes E >    over the entirety of each saveset.  Of course, with only a write E >    lock and activity light, I don't really know what the tape drive  >    is doing.  A Note that even after it has restored the file(s) you want, BACKUP E continues to scan the current saveset, presumably on the grounds that C there may be more matching files.  If I'm impatient to use the tape ? drive for another purpose, I abort the restore after it reports ! restoring the last required file.    Regards    --  
 Ian Parker   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 07:24:17 -0700, From: dframeli@aus.telusa.com (Dale Frameli)+ Subject: VMS v6.x and ECO kit?  What is it? = Message-ID: <de844d64.0110240624.3cd05aa3@posting.google.com>   D Please see the message below...  My counterparts in Japan have askedF me to find out: What is the ECO kit?, What items did it patch? and HowD did the patch correct the problems described in their message below?  )   Anyone know anything about an ECO kit?    8   Please contact me directly at: dframeli@aus.telusa.com   Thanks,  Dale    0 ================================================ Dale,   E A few years ago, we had VMS problem on VMS 6.x. Now VMS6.2 is already ; released and the problem was fixed, but we need more detail B information. Digital Japan said VMS6.x for English has a patch kitD named "ECO kit" which is used for fixing the problem. The summary of? this problem, Paging File Quota (P.F.Q.) is decreasing when the E program, here it means our GC, uses the function "Lib$Spawn" which is F provided by Compaq. If P.F.Q. is decreased, there are no P.F.Q. in theC system, sub process of GC, i.e. EQM, will be down. Then the message C "%SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded" or "%LOGIN-F-CLISYMTBL, F error creating space for command interpreter symbol table" is put out.  @ Now, we'd like to know what is "ECO kit", what "ECO kit" have an, effect on and how "ECO kit" fix the problem.   Thanks,  Mako   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:51:45 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)/ Subject: Re: VMS v6.x and ECO kit?  What is it? 1 Message-ID: <lsBB7.889$RL6.9971@news.cpqcorp.net>   l In article <de844d64.0110240624.3cd05aa3@posting.google.com>, dframeli@aus.telusa.com (Dale Frameli) writes:  J   When posting, please remember to include the specific OpenVMS version(s)   and platform(s) involved.   $ :My counterparts in Japan have askedG :me to find out: What is the ECO kit?, What items did it patch? and How E :did the patch correct the problems described in their message below?   J   I would encourage you to use a completely different tactic here: simply L   apply the mandatory patch (ECO) kits for the OpenVMS release in question, M   and be done with it.  There is a search engine available which will provide E   you with a list of the mandatory patch (ECO) kits -- please see the A   OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) for details and a URL.   I   Why to I suggest a different tactic: researching the contents of older  H   patches tends to be an academic pursuit with little real value -- put I   another way, once the patch information sought has been acquired, what     is its value to you?  L   For a specific answer to question posed -- since I also expect that folks J   that ask this question are typically not satisfied with the current-ECO M   logic :-) -- VAXSYS02_061 and later fixes this particular PGFLQUOTA leak.   K   The current version of this patch kit is VAXSYS16_061.  Further (general) B   details are available in the associated patch kit release notes:  G     ftp://ftp.service.digital.com/public/vms/vax/v6.1/vaxsys16_061.html   * :  Anyone know anything about an ECO kit?   K   A patch (ECO) kit is a fix to OpenVMS -- ECO is Engineering Change Order. J   Please see the OpenVMS FAQ for pointers to the OpenVMS patch (ECO) kits.  9 :  Please contact me directly at: dframeli@aus.telusa.com      Ask here, get an answer here.   H : [PGFLQUOTA] is decreasing when when [calling] the function "Lib$Spawn"  I   If this is the problem I suspect, the patch (listed above) is necessary H   on certain older OpenVMS releases.  See the release notes in the patchG   for additional details.  No OpenVMS VAX and no OpenVMS Alpha release  H   with warrantee or with available prior version support (PVS) has this G   problem -- if the system is running current or PVS releases, you will    not see this (mis)behaviour.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 06:00:35 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) , Subject: Re: Windows XP reality check please0 Message-ID: <3bd658a3.15957145@news.process.com>  J On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:10:58 -0400, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote:  L >TopDesk and VDesk were both removed from the W2K Resource Kit.  "Run As..."= >is not good enough (not that TopDesk and VDesk were either).  > H A friend of mine has written what I consider to be a much better versionI of these.  His is called MultiDesk, and hopefully it'll be released soon. P You'll be able to find a pointer to it when it is released from my "W2K Software for VMS Users" page:  & http://www.goatley.com/hunter/w2k.html   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 13:29:18 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>, Subject: Re: Windows XP reality check please6 Message-ID: <20011024132918.11057.qmail@gacracker.org>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  C On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  >Bob Koehler wrote: F >>    Free is too expensive?  When I think of home version, I think of >>    hobbyist.  > O >The hobbyist programme is great for many of us. However, it does not answer to O >the needs of a small business (or a home business) who may want a REAL license  >of VMS that is affordable.   I Sorry, that is not a target niche so Compaq doesn't want your business to 	 have VMS.      Doc. - --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.net    -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----  Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBO9X2csriC3SGiziTAQHrdgf9F7mNCqHgCnEvtFPNxUlth8ndstPa3guf@ dI3VH+a396Ak7DO8Q200sIdPri6uWF6WMwBetYzJ49LPgWykdQX4k42cQNl/drxV@ uZQyfiXPLU6i0PgRKoTeywKzH/ylDyKsn5ZYmJ4f/ECpLjy0r+LM+5z++CHiUc3C@ l91UN34woc0xtwwJAvZPM0cKTMPj7hjFjE2o5YadnaixRyRryxkhlSYBQorxz7nj@ sYwH1ucxhl5AFfwEZtvbxzkrVmWcPMTSAEMepCsjWqfQ+gAuJ0E3JjX5QVs+9ucS8 meV5O9IXWWjoNOxoEDOKDFvdznp7JmGrH0TFtMSS/MIe28KPzJv1sg== =q+sV  -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:46:17 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Working sets L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2410011346170001@user-2ive7ih.dialup.mindspring.com>  F In article <23OCT200121045379@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote:      > F > Hm. The end of "The Hunting of the Snark, an Agony in Eight Fits" byD > Lewis Carrol (Hey, I get to give a spoiler warning on comp.os.vms,H > how odd! So: Warning, if you don't want to know how it turns out until( > you have read it yourself, stop now!): > ? >  "It's a Snark!" was the sound that first came to their ears, . >       And seemed almost too good to be true.2 >  Then followed a torrent of laughter and cheers:, >       Then the ominous words "It's a Boo-" > 5 >  Then, silence.  Some fancied they heard in the air " >       A weary and wandering sigh3 >  That sounded like "-jum!" but the others declare * >       It was only a breeze that went by. > 4 >  They hunted till darkness came on, but they found* >       Not a button, or feather, or mark,9 >  By which they could tell that they stood on the ground / >       Where the Baker had met with the Snark.  > 1 >  In the midst of the word he was trying to say, . >       In the midst of his laughter and glee,. >  He had softly and suddenly vanished away---. >       For the Snark *was* a Boojum, you see. > 
 > --- Carl    	 Thanks!     H You can find the answer to many myseries in comp.os.vms if you wait long enough.  :-)   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:57:21 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)0 Subject: Re: WRITEBOOT and dual-boot bootblocks?1 Message-ID: <BxBB7.890$RL6.9865@news.cpqcorp.net>   O In article <3BD596CE.9C8A6E05@iee.org>, "a.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:  > 0 >A single CD that could boot on VAX and/or Alpha2 >may be useful in some circumstances. For example,- >the NetBSD folks might want to have a single 0 >bootable disk that could do VAX & Alpha & i386. >   < An interesting idea in theory.  In practice, would a CD have? enough storage space to accommodate more than one archetecture? = All of the Linux distribution kits I've seen lately need more 2 than one CD to hold all of the installation stuff.  > A DVD-ROM might be large enough to hold different distribution> kits, but would the work needed to create a multi-architecture= be less than the cost of making separate CDs/DVDs?  I suspect : the work needed to make a multi-booting multi-architecture9 disc would cost more than what you might save in pressing : costs.  And I doubt if many VAXes are going to be equipped with DVD drives.  ; It would be a little nicer for the end user not to have to  ; figure out which of two or three CDs to put into the drive, > but nobody seems to be complaining now that there are separate CD sets for VAX and Alpha.  @ Does anyone create a dual-boot CD for any other set of operating# systems, such as Windows and MacOS?    --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:15:03 +0100 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>0 Subject: Re: WRITEBOOT and dual-boot bootblocks?8 Message-ID: <ckidttclton01s8vbgk6q2ipcpaacv0sd5@4ax.com>  E On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:53:11 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff  Hoffman) wrote:   p >In article <lsqattoag6oigocnvamaqr3m5ef665ptvt@4ax.com>, John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> writes:G >:On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:22:27 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff  >:Hoffman) wrote:  >:H >:> This question is specific to the real usefulness of having both VAX > >:>  and Alpha boot block contents within the same boot block. >:I >:Hoff, remind us which processors actually *need* the boot block defined J >:in order to boot.  It's by no means all of them, is it ?  (Certainly for >:VAX.)  > I >  IIRC, all Alpha systems use the boot block.  All OpenVMS IA-64 systems H >  will use the boot block.  Various VAX systems -- specifically the VAXL >  systems that do not have VMB built into console ROM and that also do not H >  require a console storage medium for bootstrap: the VAX-11/750 (usingJ >  the ROM-based boot path and not the ROM-to-TU58-to-boot path), the VAX J >  8200 and VAX 8300 series, the VAX 6000 series, the VAX 7000 series, theL >  VAX 10000 series.  (I'll ignore "fun" like VMBUVAX1P.EXE and VMB9AQ.EXE.)  @ Thanks for the clarification.  I have distinct memories of folksF rendering their Alpha system disks unbootable after attempts to set upH dual-boot systems with NT on another disk.  ("Hey, here's a disk I don'tH recognise - I'll just scribble unrecognised on the first block on it for you...")  J >  All MicroVAX systems and all (but one) VAXstation systems systems have 4 >  (old) versions of VMB built into the console ROM.   This was my recollection.      	John  --  
 John Laird Yezerski Roper Ltd   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:45:58 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)0 Subject: Re: WRITEBOOT and dual-boot bootblocks?1 Message-ID: <afCB7.896$RL6.9944@news.cpqcorp.net>   o In article <ckidttclton01s8vbgk6q2ipcpaacv0sd5@4ax.com>, John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> writes: % :...I have distinct memories of folks G :rendering their Alpha system disks unbootable after attempts to set up I :dual-boot systems with NT on another disk.  ("Hey, here's a disk I don't I :recognise - I'll just scribble unrecognised on the first block on it for 	 :you...")   F   These folks violated a cardinal rule of system operations -- if the H   operating system or an application asks a question before it proceeds G   with a particular activity -- and regardless of what the application  C   prompt might say -- then the activity is potentially quite unsafe    and/or quite inappropriate.   F   Why?  If the activity were completely safe and completely harmless, E   then the programmer and/or the designer would not have bothered to  (   include the prompt in the application.  K   The WRITEBOOT tool fixes the "harmless signature" system disk corruption     problem, BTW.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:14:19 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)0 Subject: Re: WRITEBOOT and dual-boot bootblocks?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2410011314200001@user-2ive7ih.dialup.mindspring.com>  C In article <1RiB7.834$RL6.9733@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" $ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  ' > Robert Deininger wrote in message ... 4 > >In article <7e%A7.786$RL6.8716@news.cpqcorp.net>,' > >hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:  > >  > > M > >Come to think of it, VMS "fat binaries" would be very useful, even if they J > >only supported Alpha and IPF.  It might also be useful to support imageI > >sections optimized for different generations within the same processor M > >family, in the same image file.  Is this a practical thing to implement in  > >a future version of VMS?  > >  >  > M > We took a hard, long look at Fat Binaries.  It's a lot harder than it seems H > when you first look at it.  And all of the schemes we came up with had > something nasty/ugly with it.   G Not surprising.  20-odd years of VMS history to weave the changes into.   H > In the end, the simplest solution was what we recommend - the user canL > create multiple versions of an application for different architectures, orL > different optimizations.  They need to have different names.  you can thenK > either assign logical names for the images to point to the "correct" one. N > Or you can create multiple subdirectories for different architectural images2 > to reside in, and have appropriate search lists. > M > So, FOO.EXE might be in FOO:[BIN.EV6] and FOO:[BIN.ALPHA] and FOO:[BIN.VAX] H > and you have a logical name BAR that translates to (on say a Alpha EV6J > system) FOO:[BIN.EV6], FOO:[BIN.ALPHA] if FOO.EXE isn't in EV6, it would+ > find it in the generic "ALPHA" directory.   A And of course, folks tend to use some variation on this scheme in J practice.  But in the present context (mixed-arch system disks), this kindG of thing seems pretty hard.  Accessing the right files once they are in H place is easy.  Adapting automated tools to put files in the right placeD is harder.  VMS installations already involve some voodoo behind theG scenes; automating mixed-arch VMS installs would probably mean starting 1 from scratch.  Who has time to do that -- nobody.    C > Of course, I think it would be a great idea if we made it easier.   D Wishes, horses, beggars, etc.  There are so many "it would be great" things in life (and in VMS).  M > My own opinion was that it was a mistake to call Alpha executables .EXE, we 6 > should have called them something else (say .AEX).    I It's not too late, at least for IPF.  Alas, build files (MMS, etc.) would G be busted by a change in the naming conventions.  That would be a whole 
 new ugliness.    > And the image activator M > "could" be made smarter to automatically look for different images - but of , > course, this could impact activation time.  J Ah, yes.  Mustn't forget "A Day in the Life of the Image Activator".  That) poor fellow is too harried as it is.  :-)   C Years ago, when I was exposed to HP-UX, I got the impression it did J something like this "smart activation".  I dunno if it really worked, manyJ things in HP-UX  seemed not to. (Luckily, my exposure did NOT result in an infection.)    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:48:43 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 8 Subject: Re: X server and SET DISPLAY on different port?0 Message-ID: <00A03FE0.630135E9@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <9r511d$49u$1@top.mitre.org>, lewisspam@lumina.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes: >system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes in article <00A03F66.FC5F0909@SendSpamHere.ORG> dated Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:19:42 GMT:L >>Unfortunately, while this all works locally, it still does not allow me toN >>export a display through a firewall which had port 21,23,25,80 and 119 open.K >>I get a connection (as is evidenced by {UCX/TCPIP} SHOW DEVICE) but there ) >>is no communications on the socket.  :(  > J >Back around Decwindows 1.2-3 I had a problem using a far-away server.  ItI >turned out that DWMotif was only listening on one of my several ethernet M >interfaces (EWA0)!  I switched the configuration around so that EWA0 was the I >connection to the outside, and it started working.  I thought they would E >have fixed that by now, but you know what happens when you assume...  > 0 >--Keith Lewis              klewisspam@mitre.org? >The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   I I run X apps on machines all over the country which display on my server. H In fact, the site I am trying to change the X TCP/IP port for used to beH one such site before firewall nazis subjugated the network of this site. --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:49:31 +0200 . From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk>8 Subject: Re: X server and SET DISPLAY on different port?= Message-ID: <3bd6ef8a$0$29057$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk>   H Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A03F83.7840B006@SendSpamHere.ORG...F > Tell you what.  I'll do it for both a functioning connection and theI > one that fails.  I'll post back here when I've compiled the information F > and give your a URL.  No need to clutter c.o.v. with oddles of hexa- > decimal gobbledegook.   H While you're at it: If possible, get trace from both ends of the failingL connection. If you can, get the trace from both ends of the same experiment.J However, it's probably OK, if the trace from each end is from two separate experiments.  C Trace from both ends is unnecessary for the functioning connection.        Best regards     Jesper Naur    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:23:46 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 8 Subject: Re: X server and SET DISPLAY on different port?0 Message-ID: <00A04017.92B9818F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <3bd6ef8a$0$29057$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk>, "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk> writes: > I >Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message + >news:00A03F83.7840B006@SendSpamHere.ORG... G >> Tell you what.  I'll do it for both a functioning connection and the J >> one that fails.  I'll post back here when I've compiled the informationG >> and give your a URL.  No need to clutter c.o.v. with oddles of hexa-  >> decimal gobbledegook. > I >While you're at it: If possible, get trace from both ends of the failing M >connection. If you can, get the trace from both ends of the same experiment. K >However, it's probably OK, if the trace from each end is from two separate 
 >experiments.  > D >Trace from both ends is unnecessary for the functioning connection.  E OK... The remote side is running MultiNet.  I'll see if I can get the E TCPIP tracing from it.  In the interim, here is a TCPTRACE from the X 2 server side with the server listening on port 119.              P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------   7    TCPIPtrace RCV packet 428 at 24-OCT-2001 13:11:33.86    ) 			IP Address	 Port	     Seq #	     Ack #    4    Source		209.210.4.253	 4099	 237677551	         0#    Destination		192.168.100.3	  119     						Packet Length	    60    TCP flags		SYN         window		32120   ?                                          Hex    Count   Ascii   H    --------   --------   --------   --------    ----    ----------------H    FD04D2D1   CBF20622   0040756A   3C000045    0000    E..<ju@.".......H    00000000   EFAB2A0E   77000310 | 0364A8C0    0010    ..d....w.*......H    0A080204   B4050402   000055D6   787D02A0    0020    ..}x.U..........H             | 00030301   00000000   5C26CE07    0030    ..&\........                P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------   7    TCPIPtrace XMT packet 429 at 24-OCT-2001 13:11:33.86    ) 			IP Address	 Port	     Seq #	     Ack #    4    Source		192.168.100.3	  119	2062832414	 237677552#    Destination		209.210.4.253	 4099     						Packet Length	    48    TCP flags		SYN ACK         window		33580   ?                                          Hex    Count   Ascii   H    --------   --------   --------   --------    ----    ----------------H    0364A8C0   33A1063C   000019E2   30000045    0000    E..0....<..3..d.H    F0AB2A0E   1E53F47A   03107700 | FD04D2D1    0010    .....w..z.S..*..H  | 00030301   B4050402   0000C06C   2C831270    0020    p..,l...........            P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------   7    TCPIPtrace RCV packet 436 at 24-OCT-2001 13:11:34.00    ) 			IP Address	 Port	     Seq #	     Ack #    4    Source		209.210.4.253	 4099	 237677552	2062832415#    Destination		192.168.100.3	  119     						Packet Length	    40    TCP flags		ACK         window		32120   ?                                          Hex    Count   Ascii   H    --------   --------   --------   --------    ----    ----------------H    FD04D2D1   BFF20622   0040956A   28000045    0000    E..(j.@.".......H    1F53F47A   F0AB2A0E   77000310 | 0364A8C0    0010    ..d....w.*..z.S.H        0000   00000000 | 0000389E   787D1050    0020    P.}x.8........              P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------   7    TCPIPtrace XMT packet 854 at 24-OCT-2001 13:12:05.86    ) 			IP Address	 Port	     Seq #	     Ack #    4    Source		192.168.100.3	  119	2062832415	 237677552#    Destination		209.210.4.253	 4099     						Packet Length	    40    TCP flags		FIN ACK         window		33580   ?                                          Hex    Count   Ascii   H    --------   --------   --------   --------    ----    ----------------H    0364A8C0   D2A0063C   000082E2   28000045    0000    E..(....<.....d.H    F0AB2A0E   1F53F47A   03107700 | FD04D2D1    0010    .....w..z.S..*..H                        | 00008398   2C831150    0020    P..,....                    P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------   7    TCPIPtrace RCV packet 855 at 24-OCT-2001 13:12:06.02    ) 			IP Address	 Port	     Seq #	     Ack #    4    Source		209.210.4.253	 4099	 237677552	2062832416#    Destination		192.168.100.3	  119     						Packet Length	    40    TCP flags		ACK         window		32120   ?                                          Hex    Count   Ascii   H    --------   --------   --------   --------    ----    ----------------H    FD04D2D1   1AD30622   00403A8A   28000045    0000    E..(.:@.".......H    2053F47A   F0AB2A0E   77000310 | 0364A8C0    0010    ..d....w.*..z.S H        0000   00000000 | 0000379E   787D1050    0020    P.}x.7........              P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------   7    TCPIPtrace RCV packet 856 at 24-OCT-2001 13:12:06.02    ) 			IP Address	 Port	     Seq #	     Ack #    4    Source		209.210.4.253	 4099	 237677552	2062832416#    Destination		192.168.100.3	  119     						Packet Length	    40    TCP flags		FIN ACK         window		32120   ?                                          Hex    Count   Ascii   H    --------   --------   --------   --------    ----    ----------------H    FD04D2D1   19D30622   00403B8A   28000045    0000    E..(.;@.".......H    2053F47A   F0AB2A0E   77000310 | 0364A8C0    0010    ..d....w.*..z.S H        0000   00000000 | 0000369E   787D1150    0020    P.}x.6........              P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------   7    TCPIPtrace XMT packet 857 at 24-OCT-2001 13:12:06.02    ) 			IP Address	 Port	     Seq #	     Ack #    4    Source		192.168.100.3	  119	2062832416	 237677553#    Destination		209.210.4.253	 4099     						Packet Length	    40    TCP flags		ACK         window		33580   ?                                          Hex    Count   Ascii   H    --------   --------   --------   --------    ----    ----------------H    0364A8C0   D1A0063C   000083E2   28000045    0000    E..(....<.....d.H    F1AB2A0E   2053F47A   03107700 | FD04D2D1    0010    .....w..z.S .*..H                        | 00008298   2C831050    0020    P..,....           --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 00:09:23 -0700) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)  Subject: Re: XP1000 problems= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0110232309.2b0ac0d8@posting.google.com>   O Sam Hoblit <hoblit@bnl.gov> wrote in message news:<3BD60F22.3020306@bnl.gov>...  > Hi - > B > then sets to 10Mb/sec. This kills the rest of the transfer since  C Known problem - I reported this to Compaq also. You broke it by the > application of VMS721_LAN-V0200. You should revert back to the@ previous driver (which can be obtained from the VMS721_LAN-V0100 patch kit).   8 This problem was not fixed until after 7.3 was released:   VMS73_LAN-V0100 B  o  When using the Auto-Negotiate console  setting  on  an  XP1000C      system, Auto-Negotiation is not done.  Instead, after boot the (      device is in 10mb/half-duplex mode.  =          Images Affected:  [SYS$LDR]SYS$EWDRIVER_DE5000BA.EXE    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:26:49 -0400 ! From: Sam Hoblit <hoblit@bnl.gov>  Subject: Re: XP1000 problems& Message-ID: <3BD6DDB9.2030003@bnl.gov>   Bryan Jensen wrote:   M > My favorite was when the XP1000 went into 10base2 mode (it has no hardware  D > to support that of course, but that's what VMS said it was doing). > ? > I have yet to call Compaq support on this, but after I copied 7 > sys$common:[sys$ldr]sys$ewdriver_de500ba.exe_old;2 to < > sys$common:[sys$ldr]sys$ewdriver_de500ba.exe and rebooted, > all worked as desired. >    > ( > In article <3BD60F22.3020306@bnl.gov>,( >    Sam Hoblit <hoblit@bnl.gov> writes: >  >>Hi - >>> >>We recently purchased an XP1000 workstation on ebay and have= >>added it to our cluster running VMS 7.2-1. We configured it D >>as a satellite being served from a DPS 600au. Most all the currentA >>VMS patches have been installed (UPDATE 300, etc.), and 3 other C >>alphas boot from the same system disk. When the XP1000 arrived we C >>upgraded the firmware to the most recent version available on the  >>compaq web site, version 5.9.  >>E >>The first problem is that if we set the ethernet adapter to 100MB/s G >>mode, it establishes a connection with our switch, and then downloads C >>the boot image via lan mop just fine. Then, as soon as VMS starts E >>to run it checks the integrated (EWA0) adapter and issues a message E >>saying the adapter is set to autoconfigure by the console, which it B >>then sets to 10Mb/sec. This kills the rest of the transfer sinceG >>the switch is set to 100Mb. If we set the ethernet adapter to twisted G >>pair or full-duplex twisted, VMS recognized this and leaves it alone. G >>If we try setting it to autoconfigure, we never get a connection (our D >>other machines don't like this setting either). It seems VMS isn'tA >>seeing the console setting for the ethernet adapter. We're also E >>handicapped since we have no manuals for the system - bought as is. F >>We'd really prefer to run this system at the higher speed. Any ideas% >>or suggestions will be appreciated!  >>   Bryan -   G Thanks for your quick response to our XP1000 ethernet problems. I tried D your suggestion, but it seems we have different old versions of thisB driver hanging around. A directory of sys$common:[sys$ldr] yeilds:   Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR]  9 SYS$EWDRIVER_DE500BA.EXE;1         4-DEC-2000 14:45:14.00 9 SYS$EWDRIVER_DE500BA.EXE_OLD;3    28-MAY-1999 23:36:54.05 9 SYS$EWDRIVER_DE500BA.EXE_OLD;2    11-AUG-1999 14:23:45.00 9 SYS$EWDRIVER_DE500BA.EXE_OLD;1    19-NOV-1998 12:38:31.05   A If I copy 0ld;3 to SYS$EWDRIVER.EXE, then the same thing happens. : When I copy either versions old;2 or old'1 to .exe I get aA bugcheck on the XP1000 when it tries to boot. I guess our upgrade A path was slightly different from yours so that our .EXE_OLD files ? are either simliar enough to have no effect or are incompatible  with VMS 7.2-1.   E The actual error sequence we get when we set EWA0_MODE in the console - of the XP1000 to FastFD and then MOP boot is:    (MOP boot sequence...)  8      OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1  G %VMScluster-I-MSCPCONN, connected to a MSCP server for the system disk, ? %DECnet-I-LOADED, network base image loaded, version = 05.0D.04   % %EWA0, Auto Sense mode set by console 8 %EWA0, Twisted-Pair(10baseT) Ethernet connector selected  D At this point, it hangs, since VMS has now reset the speed to 10Mb/s+ while our switch is still speaking 100Mb/s.    Any other ideas appreciated,  
 Sam Hoblit   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 02:46:47 -0700) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) , Subject: Re: [MOZILLA] Burner of CPU time!!!= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0110240146.50d15274@posting.google.com>   6 I use Mozilla for everything these days under OpenVMS.5 I don't have a PeeCee, or use Window(tm) - got rid of  it some time ago.   3 The OpenVMS port works really well for me. There is / one issue that *REALLY* bugs me and that is the 4 obvious use of the CRTL to handle downloaded files - in particular the names.   Please use RMS - please?    5 Downloading foo.1.2.3 to become foo_1_2_3 is just not * going to cut it these days on ODS-5 disks.  4 On this topic another thing that *REALLY* bugs me is4 PCSIs inability to handle lower case file names when8 the Mozilla kit is downloaded onto an ODS-5 disk pending
 installation.   3 The OpenVMS CRTL developers really need to consider 3 that ODS-5 support is important - VERY_IMPORTANT.   5 The series of lame patches and lack of implementation " is really making OpenVMS look bad.  8 No - I will not use the logical names provided to change" the behaviour - it is plain wrong.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.592 ************************