1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 25 Oct 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 593       Contents: AS200 fails to boot  RE: AS200 fails to boot  RE: AS200 fails to boot  RE: AS200 fails to boot / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld  Re: Backup tape-label problem  Re: Backup tape-label problem  Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL BMQ on Itanium Re: BMQ on Itanium RE: BMQ on Itanium1 Re: CDD RDB + Datatrieve - what license do I need  Re: Compaq financial humour !  Re: Compaq financial humour !  Re: Compaq financial humour !  Re: Compaq financial humour ! $ Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking$ Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking$ RE: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking$ Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking$ Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking4 Re: Converting an ODS-2 to an ODS-5 file system disk4 Re: Converting an ODS-2 to an ODS-5 file system disk4 Re: Converting an ODS-2 to an ODS-5 file system disk CXX listings! Re: DCPS and manual feed timeout.  DECwindows Mem Management  Re: DECwindows Mem Management ! Re: Delta time between two date's ! Re: Delta time between two date's ! Re: Delta time between two date's ! Re: Delta time between two date's ! Re: Delta time between two date's  DSSI VAX cluster questions Re: DSSI VAX cluster questions Re: DSSI VAX cluster questions Re: DSSI VAX cluster questions Re: EMC Symmetrix on OpenVMS ?  How to map VMS disk to a PC user Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: mode nibble??  Re: mode nibble??  Re: mode nibble??  Re: mode nibble?? # Re: NFS, proxies and dynamic memory ( Optimizing indexed file while adding key, Re: Optimizing indexed file while adding key" Re: OT: Let's make one thing clear= Re: PC164, OVMS7.2, isacfg and graphic cards (MACH64, S3 968) = Re: PC164, OVMS7.2, isacfg and graphic cards (MACH64, S3 968)  Re: VMS 5.4 supported?# Re: Windows XP reality check please ' Re: WRITEBOOT and dual-boot bootblocks? / Re: X server and SET DISPLAY on different port? # Re: [MOZILLA] Burner of CPU time!!! # Re: [MOZILLA] Burner of CPU time!!! # Re: [MOZILLA] Burner of CPU time!!!   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:49:18 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)  Subject: AS200 fails to boot0 Message-ID: <00A0402B.E7B381EB@SendSpamHere.ORG>  F I just went to reboot and AlphaStation 200.  The reboot now "hangs" at0 the console message "jumping to bootstrap code".  D All console variables look fine and I removed the system disk and it works in another machine.   
 Any ideas? --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:52:17 -0400 > From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>  Subject: RE: AS200 fails to bootM Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D016024B4@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>   2 Ah, a wild guess, but maybe bad graphics hardware?  H Have you tried booting to alternate console (serial) with a VT terminal?   :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -"   A Member of the LexisNexis Group
 1275 Broadway  Albany, NY  12204  USA  518-487-3255 John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com   ) I post personal opinion only, and all the * disclaimers one could imagine apply.  That( includes, I speak for myself only and my) views in no way represent my employer(s). + One should also take note of the Electronic ) Communications Privacy Act of 1986, which + imposes civil and criminal liability on any ( person who intentionally intercepts "any( wire, oral or electronic communication."   > -----Original Message-----@ > From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:system@SendSpamHere.ORG]+ > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 3:49 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: AS200 fails to boot >  > H > I just went to reboot and AlphaStation 200.  The reboot now "hangs" at2 > the console message "jumping to bootstrap code". > F > All console variables look fine and I removed the system disk and it > works in another machine.  >  > Any ideas? > --9 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001       > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM
 >             @ >   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn  > to my fiery < >   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" --  > Calvin & Hobbes  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:09:19 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)   Subject: RE: AS200 fails to boot0 Message-ID: <00A0402E.B36A8AD0@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D016024B4@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>, "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com> writes:3 >Ah, a wild guess, but maybe bad graphics hardware?  > I >Have you tried booting to alternate console (serial) with a VT terminal?   7 This AS200 has no graphics.  It's always booted serial.  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:19:11 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)   Subject: RE: AS200 fails to boot0 Message-ID: <00A04030.145072BA@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D016024B4@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>, "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com> writes:3 >Ah, a wild guess, but maybe bad graphics hardware?  > I >Have you tried booting to alternate console (serial) with a VT terminal?    Problem solved...   F A key was stuck on the system keyboard which is still connected to theF AS200 even though there is no graphics card (mouse too!).  I "unstuck"G the key and then unplugged the keyboard and reconnected it to reset it.  System now boots.     F Damn boxes.  Probably some inherent brain-damage because these were to boot NT as well.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:06:29 GMT " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld+ Message-ID: <3BD7129F.5D1A7EB6@cumulus.com>    Wayne Sewell wrote:  > N > My web servers have been getting a lot of hits such as the following lately: > , > 'GET' '/MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)[ > 'GET' '/_mem_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) [ > 'GET' '/_vti_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) 6 > 'GET' '/c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)6 > 'GET' '/d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)w > 'GET' '/msadc/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c/..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) H > 'GET' '/scripts/..%%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)F > 'GET' '/scripts/..%%35c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)J > 'GET' '/scripts/..%25%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)F > 'GET' '/scripts/..%252f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)F > 'GET' '/scripts/..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c0%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c1%9c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) . > 'GET' '/scripts/root.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) > L > I assume these are all assaults from the billyworld, i.e. viruses or otherQ > rogue programs.  I don't know what these accesses are trying to accomplish, but P > since most of them are trying to reach the system32 directory of a billybox, I) > doubt they are particularly benevolent.  > P > Are any of these legitimate, or do they all fall into the category of assault? > Q > In any case, I have no use for any of them, especially since an entire sequence Q > of hits typically comes from the same site in rapid succession, so I have added ) > the following lines to HTTP_PATHS.CONF:  > ( > redirect /scripts/*    /www/yadda.html( > redirect /MSADC/*      /www/yadda.html) > redirect /_mem_bin/*    /www/yadda.html ) > redirect /_vti_bin/*    /www/yadda.html ( > redirect /c/winnt/*    /www/yadda.html( > redirect /d/winnt/*    /www/yadda.html+ > redirect /default.ida*    /www/yadda.html & > redirect /msadc/*    /www/yadda.html > J > This causes a success code instead of a failure, but instead of whateverJ > response they are trying to get, they get yadda.html, which consists of: > % > ===================================  > <HTML> > <HEAD> > <TITLE>Yadda</TITLE>	 > </HEAD>  >  > <BODY> > Yadda. > <p>  > E > I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay.  I sleep all night and work all day.  > 	 > </BODY> 	 > </HTML> % > ===================================  > N > My hope is that getting monty python instead of whatever they were expectingP > will confuse the software and prevent further hits from that session.  It doesP > appear to be working to some extent.  I have seen cases in the log where thereH > is just one hit from a particular site instead of the entire sequence.M > Unfortunately, in other cases the hits just keep coming.  There may be more > > than one virus or other rogue program generating this stuff. > P > However, I don't want to cause problems for anybody other than virus perps andQ > hackers.  If any of the above are legitimate accesses to a web server, somebody A > please tell me and I will turn off the redirect for that entry.  >   G I suspect that this is the new binladen virus that is currently hitting  South Korea.! It was announced today on TechTV.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:50:35 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld+ Message-ID: <VA.0000049a.0a0cfbc7@sture.ch>   B In article <isHQ9KKsEisA@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, Wayne Sewell wrote:N > My web servers have been getting a lot of hits such as the following lately: > , > 'GET' '/MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)[ > 'GET' '/_mem_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) [ > 'GET' '/_vti_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) 6 > 'GET' '/c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)6 > 'GET' '/d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)w > 'GET' '/msadc/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c/..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) H > 'GET' '/scripts/..%%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)F > 'GET' '/scripts/..%%35c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)J > 'GET' '/scripts/..%25%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)F > 'GET' '/scripts/..%252f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)F > 'GET' '/scripts/..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c0%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c1%9c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) . > 'GET' '/scripts/root.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) > L > I assume these are all assaults from the billyworld, i.e. viruses or otherQ > rogue programs.  I don't know what these accesses are trying to accomplish, but P > since most of them are trying to reach the system32 directory of a billybox, I) > doubt they are particularly benevolent.  >   * Yes, and assaults on _billyworld_ systems.  P > Are any of these legitimate, or do they all fall into the category of assault? > R None legitimate AFAIK. The cmd.exe stuff is trying to get access to the NT command stuff.  > The MSADC & msadc lines are after another known vulnerability.  O IIRC the root.exe one is looking for a system which was a previous victim to an  attack.   K I suggest you have a look at www.sans.org/topten.htm for info on the common T billybox (and *nix) attacks. There's a .pdf there on the top 10 attacks, (and a noteQ to say they have expanded their top 10 list to 20, but that seems inaccessible at  the moment).  9 While you are there, have a look at the rest of the site.    [rest snipped for brevity] ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:00:41 GMT ' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> 8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld+ Message-ID: <3BD756FA.E1B746C7@pacbell.net>   G I've been getting these same hits since ~ Sep 11. They occur ~ every 30 H minutes and originate from different IPs each time (usually 64.164.*.*).) Have you noticed any similar originators? E I use FastTrack server and, although I've tried lots of options, they D eventually freeze up the server(the ports assigned don't go away). IF know it sounds crude, but the only thing I was able to do, to unfreezeF things, was to bounce the server, so as of now I'm running a batch job% that bounces FastTrack every 2 hours.   D I tried to get my ISP (PacBell) to help track down these F#$%ers but they won't.   8 Please pass on any further info you learn on this topic. Thanks Don    Wayne Sewell wrote:  > N > My web servers have been getting a lot of hits such as the following lately: > , > 'GET' '/MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)[ > 'GET' '/_mem_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) [ > 'GET' '/_vti_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) 6 > 'GET' '/c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)6 > 'GET' '/d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)w > 'GET' '/msadc/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c/..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) H > 'GET' '/scripts/..%%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)F > 'GET' '/scripts/..%%35c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)J > 'GET' '/scripts/..%25%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)F > 'GET' '/scripts/..%252f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)F > 'GET' '/scripts/..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c0%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c1%9c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) . > 'GET' '/scripts/root.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) > L > I assume these are all assaults from the billyworld, i.e. viruses or otherQ > rogue programs.  I don't know what these accesses are trying to accomplish, but P > since most of them are trying to reach the system32 directory of a billybox, I) > doubt they are particularly benevolent.  > P > Are any of these legitimate, or do they all fall into the category of assault? > Q > In any case, I have no use for any of them, especially since an entire sequence Q > of hits typically comes from the same site in rapid succession, so I have added ) > the following lines to HTTP_PATHS.CONF:  > ( > redirect /scripts/*    /www/yadda.html( > redirect /MSADC/*      /www/yadda.html) > redirect /_mem_bin/*    /www/yadda.html ) > redirect /_vti_bin/*    /www/yadda.html ( > redirect /c/winnt/*    /www/yadda.html( > redirect /d/winnt/*    /www/yadda.html+ > redirect /default.ida*    /www/yadda.html & > redirect /msadc/*    /www/yadda.html > J > This causes a success code instead of a failure, but instead of whateverJ > response they are trying to get, they get yadda.html, which consists of: > % > ===================================  > <HTML> > <HEAD> > <TITLE>Yadda</TITLE>	 > </HEAD>  >  > <BODY> > Yadda. > <p>  > E > I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay.  I sleep all night and work all day.  > 	 > </BODY> 	 > </HTML> % > ===================================  > N > My hope is that getting monty python instead of whatever they were expectingP > will confuse the software and prevent further hits from that session.  It doesP > appear to be working to some extent.  I have seen cases in the log where thereH > is just one hit from a particular site instead of the entire sequence.M > Unfortunately, in other cases the hits just keep coming.  There may be more > > than one virus or other rogue program generating this stuff. > P > However, I don't want to cause problems for anybody other than virus perps andQ > hackers.  If any of the above are legitimate accesses to a web server, somebody A > please tell me and I will turn off the redirect for that entry.  >  > Wayne  > --Q > =============================================================================== O > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : > http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.htmlM > change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) Q > =============================================================================== J > Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."0 > Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2001 21:44:02 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.062469.killspam.00be (Wayne Sewell) 8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld. Message-ID: <fgWITHTI0EV1@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  U In article <3BD756FA.E1B746C7@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes: I > I've been getting these same hits since ~ Sep 11. They occur ~ every 30 J > minutes and originate from different IPs each time (usually 64.164.*.*).+ > Have you noticed any similar originators?   N I did a search of my most recent logs just now, and most of my bogus hits fromI the last few hours were coming from 216.  216.191.145.182, 216.35.116.93, $ 216.153.216.87, 216.95.244.178, etc.    G > I use FastTrack server and, although I've tried lots of options, they F > eventually freeze up the server(the ports assigned don't go away). IH > know it sounds crude, but the only thing I was able to do, to unfreezeH > things, was to bounce the server, so as of now I'm running a batch job' > that bounces FastTrack every 2 hours.   M I haven't had any actual webserver failures because of this crap.  I wouldn't ( have known about it if not for the logs.   > F > I tried to get my ISP (PacBell) to help track down these F#$%ers but
 > they won't.  > : > Please pass on any further info you learn on this topic.   okay   --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== H Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy.". Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2001 22:39 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld- Message-ID: <24OCT200122394512@gerg.tamu.edu>   A wayne@tachysoft.xxx.062469.killspam.00be (Wayne Sewell) writes... M }My web servers have been getting a lot of hits such as the following lately:  } + }'GET' '/MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) Z }'GET' '/_mem_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)  
 [..etc...]  K }I assume these are all assaults from the billyworld, i.e. viruses or other P }rogue programs.  I don't know what these accesses are trying to accomplish, butO }since most of them are trying to reach the system32 directory of a billybox, I ( }doubt they are particularly benevolent. } O }Are any of these legitimate, or do they all fall into the category of assault?   G This particular set looks like the Nimda virus/worm/annoyance (although D some other such thing could be using the same, or a similar, list of attempts by now).   P }In any case, I have no use for any of them, especially since an entire sequenceP }of hits typically comes from the same site in rapid succession, so I have added( }the following lines to HTTP_PATHS.CONF: } ' }redirect /scripts/*    /www/yadda.html ' }redirect /MSADC/*      /www/yadda.html ( }redirect /_mem_bin/*    /www/yadda.html( }redirect /_vti_bin/*    /www/yadda.html' }redirect /c/winnt/*    /www/yadda.html ' }redirect /d/winnt/*    /www/yadda.html * }redirect /default.ida*    /www/yadda.html% }redirect /msadc/*    /www/yadda.html   F The default.ida attempts are a different one from the others (the nameF of which is not coming to me at the moment, it has at least 2 versionsH with the original including a long run of Ns and the newer variant using a long run of Xs in the URL).   I }This causes a success code instead of a failure, but instead of whatever I }response they are trying to get, they get yadda.html, which consists of:  } $ }=================================== }<HTML>  }<HEAD>  }<TITLE>Yadda</TITLE>  }</HEAD> }  }<BODY>  }Yadda.  }<p> } D }I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay.  I sleep all night and work all day. }  }</BODY> }</HTML>$ }=================================== } M }My hope is that getting monty python instead of whatever they were expecting O }will confuse the software and prevent further hits from that session.  It does O }appear to be working to some extent.  I have seen cases in the log where there H }is just one hit from a particular site instead of the entire sequence. L }Unfortunately, in other cases the hits just keep coming.  There may be more= }than one virus or other rogue program generating this stuff.  } O }However, I don't want to cause problems for anybody other than virus perps and P }hackers.  If any of the above are legitimate accesses to a web server, somebody@ }please tell me and I will turn off the redirect for that entry. }Wayne  H That's funny. I may give something like that a shot if it picks up againH (here, it has dropped from the couple attempts a minute back on the 18th; of September to about 0 to 5 times a day in the last week).   G The main problem this caused me was that some of the access attempts in E each burst of connections are interpreted as attempts to run a script H (www_root:[bin]index_search.exe) that is not present. The OSU web serverI fires off a process to handle the attempt (until it hits the limit on the K number of processes it will use) which rather quickly determines that there L is no such script. I had the maximum number of servers (10, I think) hangingG around more or less continuously for the first couple of days that this K struck (which started on 18-Sep) all just saying, "Nope, we havn't got that 	 script."    G Aside from that, it has also caused more access log entries for the web D server than I've gotten in the previous two years. In just the firstK 4 hours or so of the assualt (from the first at 18-Sep-2001:08:33:35, until G 12:03:43 that same day, when I compiled some statistics) I logged about I 11,975 connections from this stupid thing (some 704 sets of connections).    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:52:41 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>& Subject: Re: Backup tape-label problem+ Message-ID: <VA.00000499.09d7fbc0@sture.ch>   = In article <3BD6FB8C.185@ups.edu>, William S. LaCounte wrote: B > I have had not problems of this type using a TZ88. However, I doH > the backups slightly different. Prior to the backup command I allocateF > and initialize the tape and then mount it foreign. In addition I useG > a 6 character label, e.g. FBCK01 or IBCK01. Any succeeding tapes will 4 > have labels like FBCK02, FBCK03 or IBCK02, IBCK03. > 6 In the past, I have found reproducible problems where I f$getdvi(tape,"VOLNAM) would fail to get the very latest label for tapes  @ mounted /FOREIGN (which is after all what BACKUP is doing here).  J Sorry I can't remember full details, but IIRC the workaround was to do a  H (non-foreign) MOUNT/OVERRIDE=LABEL before calling f$getdvi and that had * the effect of refreshing the label info...  8 This on a wide variety of tapes, over many VMS versions. ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2001 20:34:29 GMT' From: "Jim Strehlow" <jims@data911.com> & Subject: Re: Backup tape-label problem0 Message-ID: <9r78kl$pfd@dispatch.concentric.net>  ? Is this one of those problems where the qualifier is misplaced? G I usually use $BACKUP/otherQualifiers/LABEL=DG04   DISKG:   MKA500:etc. J where the /LABEL is a qualifier to the BACKUP portion of the statement ...! not as a qualifier to the MKA500:   % Jim Strehlow, Data911 Systems Manager  Alameda, Ca   0 "Let them do their worst.  We will do our best."    @ "Christoph Gartmann" <gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de> wrote in message* news:9r4gio$8jm$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de... > Hello, > J > OpenVMS 7.1-2 & and a Sony SDT9000 DDS-3 DAT drive: from time to time we > get the following error: > I > $ BACKUP/NOLOG/NOCRC/GROUP=0/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/NOASSIST/NOALIAS/VERIFY - , >   /IMAGE DISKG: MKA500:23OCT01DG.BCK     -! >   /REWIND/SAVE_SET/LABEL=DG04 -  >   /BLOCK_SIZE=32256 1 > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, DG04 mounted on _MPI6$MKA500: F > %BACKUP-W-MOUNTERR, volume 1 on _MPI6$MKA500 was not mounted because- >  its label does not match the one requested > > %BACKUP-I-OPERASSIST, operator assistance has been requested > H > Note that the tape has the correct label and that VMS even reports it.H > Nevertheless it claims that the label is wrong. Why? When I unload the4 > tape in question and reload it everything is fine: > , > %BACKUP-I-OPREPLY, operator reply is "NEW"1 > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, DG04 mounted on _MPI6$MKA500: F > %BACKUP-W-ACCONFLICT, DISKG:[000000]QUOTA.SYS;1 is open for write by another user3 > %BACKUP-I-STARTVERIFY, starting verification pass  >  > Thus, what happens here? > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmann  > J > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+J > | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |J > | Immunbiologie                                                        |J > | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |J > | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |J > +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:11:14 +0200 = From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com> # Subject: Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL ) Message-ID: <3BD70442.FC3BC237@dummy.com>   3 And have you ever tried to use MIME.EXE in batch to ( automate your attachment distributions ?  	 A mess !!   6 I could'n not use MIME.EXE without having it call some5 editor. I had to MAIL> SET EDIT EDT and then create a 6 special EDTINI.EDT file to have it work. And it always8 create one ;1 MIME file (empty) and one ;2 with the MIME coded attachement.  $ I'v now changed it all to M(UN)PACK.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Peter Weaver wrote:  >  > E > Especially considering how it was developed. If anyone has actually G > installed the official Compaq MIME try turning on your terminal's (or M > terminal emulator's) "Display Control Characters" option and then try MIME.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:23:26 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch># Subject: Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL + Message-ID: <VA.00000497.09bd3232@sture.ch>   F In article <BIBB7.45910$Z2.694786@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Peter Weaver wrote:- > <david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message ' > news:9r6n52$3h6$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk...  > >...M > > As a stopgap solution it was not totally pointless providing the facility  > as2 > > standard but it was pointless redeveloping it. > >... > E > Especially considering how it was developed. If anyone has actually G > installed the official Compaq MIME try turning on your terminal's (or M > terminal emulator's) "Display Control Characters" option and then try MIME.  > . > This is what I see when I invoke MIME V1.4 "N > <ESC>)<ESC>[4l<ESC>)<ESC>[4l<ESC>=<ESC>[1;24r<ESC>[;H<ESC>[2J<ESC>[24;1H<ESCL > >[;H<ESC>[2J<ESC>[;H<ESC>[1;1HMIME>" Yes, it clears the screen 2 times andE > moves the cursor 5 times. Why? Just pressing <ENTER> will result in M > "<ESC>[;H<CR><ESC>[4;1HMIME>". Try typing HELP if you want to see even more M > cursor positioning and TABS followed by <BS> characters. Evidently, whoever M > programmed this went to the Microsoft School of Bloatware. My machines have I > better things to do other than calculate where to put the cursor when a  > simple <CR><LF> will do. > F > PS. I meant <BS> as the Backspace character, you can interpret it as  > something else if you want to. > H I've got a wonderful example of such programmming on my ISDN Hub router:  5 "LAN Packet Which Triggered Last Call:" is output as:   F <ESC>[18;6HLAN<ESC>[18;10HPacket<ESC>[18;17HWhich<ESC>[18;23HTriggered! <ESC>[18;33HLast<ESC>[18;38HCall:  (wrap intended)   - The display of all 48 bytes starts like this:   
 "45 00"...   actual output:   <ESC>[19;6H45<ESC>[19;9H00  D Had me cursing when I was trying to get that little lot via program! ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 13:35:12 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL 3 Message-ID: <VKXJMnZg3sQs@eisner.encompasserve.org>   L In article <9r6n52$3h6$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk writes:  O > As a stopgap solution it was not totally pointless providing the facility as  0 > standard but it was pointless redeveloping it.M > Why not just make the public domain utilities MPACK and MUNPACK part of the  > system install ?  F    I actually did run into one file that MIME could handle and MUNPACk,    couldn't.  Should have noted the details.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:54:34 -0400 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> # Subject: Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL / Message-ID: <tte3jbs6ptld99@news.supernews.com>   7 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <noone@dummy.com> wrote in message # news:3BD70442.FC3BC237@dummy.com... 5 > And have you ever tried to use MIME.EXE in batch to * > automate your attachment distributions ? >  > A mess !!  > 8 > I could'n not use MIME.EXE without having it call some7 > editor. I had to MAIL> SET EDIT EDT and then create a 8 > special EDTINI.EDT file to have it work. And it always: > create one ;1 MIME file (empty) and one ;2 with the MIME > coded attachement. > & > I'v now changed it all to M(UN)PACK. >   J Just this morning a new DSNlink article was posted that is a C/C++ exampleI of sending MIME encoded mail via SMTP.  I downloaded the article, cut out K the source and it compiled with no problems.  So far, it seems to work much K better than the MIME utility.  It encodes and sends at once and should work 	 in batch.    Search for:   A Example-C,C++ SMTP Mail Message Sender with MIME File Attachments    in the "C" database.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:35:41 +0200 = From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com> # Subject: Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL ) Message-ID: <3BD7180D.38787C50@dummy.com>    OK.   & What does in do that m(un)pack can't ?' Is it supported in some way by Compaq ?   + (And no, I don't have access to DSNlink...)  Jan-Erik Sderholm.    John Vottero wrote: L > Just this morning a new DSNlink article was posted that is a C/C++ example* > of sending MIME encoded mail via SMTP...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:33:23 -0500 $ From: Bruce Stephens <hbsAT@bea.com> Subject: BMQ on Itanium ' Message-ID: <3BD74FC3.C6DBC74F@bea.com>   	 Hi folks,   ? Anyone in this forum still using BEA's MessageQ product on VMS?   * Would like to see it supported on Itanium?  4 Now is the time to hold up your hand and be counted.  ; You can reply here, to me directly, or to the person below.    Thanks,  Bruce        Cindy McDonnell Feinberg BEA Systems, Inc.  www.bea.com  Global Account Manager Compaq Computer Corporation  Phone: 908-580-3214  Fax: 908-580-3050  Mobile: 610-360-9733 email: cindy.feinberg@bea.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 07:26:22 +0200 7 From: Lothar Geyer <Lothar.Geyer@EDV-Berater-Online.de>  Subject: Re: BMQ on Itanium 5 Message-ID: <3BD7A27E.3B4AA150@EDV-Berater-Online.de>    Bruce Stephens schrieb:  >  > Hi folks,  > A > Anyone in this forum still using BEA's MessageQ product on VMS?  > , > Would like to see it supported on Itanium? > 6 > Now is the time to hold up your hand and be counted. > = > You can reply here, to me directly, or to the person below.  > 	 > Thanks,  > Bruce  >  > Cindy McDonnell Feinberg > BEA Systems, Inc. 
 > www.bea.com  > Global Account Manager > Compaq Computer Corporation  > Phone: 908-580-3214  > Fax: 908-580-3050  > Mobile: 610-360-9733 > email: cindy.feinberg@bea.com   D We use BEA MessageQ for development (version 3.x on OpenVMS VAX 6.2,F version 4 on WNT and version 5 on OpenVMS AXP 7.2-1). We use it mainlyG for communication between processes, cause it ensures that no data will  be lost.  E However, we are not able to sell the product. BEA's policy is to sell G this product only through partners. To become a partner you have to pay C about $ 6000 a year. These are for training on Weblogic application G server a.s.o. But we are not interested in all that stuff - only in MQ. / So we are also looking for other mq vendors ...    Lothar Geyer   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:34:39 -0500 0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com> Subject: RE: BMQ on Itanium C Message-ID: <DNEHJNCNNNGANLDIFIOHGEPDCBAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>   I Our entire MCI telemarketing application running on VMS relies heavily on 1 DMQ.  We would definietely like to see it ported.    Thanks.    Art    Arturo Saavedra/VMST     -----Original Message-----+ From: Bruce Stephens [mailto:hbsAT@bea.com] ) Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 6:33 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: BMQ on Itanium     	 Hi folks,   ? Anyone in this forum still using BEA's MessageQ product on VMS?   * Would like to see it supported on Itanium?  4 Now is the time to hold up your hand and be counted.  ; You can reply here, to me directly, or to the person below.    Thanks,  Bruce        Cindy McDonnell Feinberg BEA Systems, Inc.  www.bea.com  Global Account Manager Compaq Computer Corporation  Phone: 908-580-3214  Fax: 908-580-3050  Mobile: 610-360-9733 email: cindy.feinberg@bea.com    ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2001 20:26:52 GMT' From: "Jim Strehlow" <jims@data911.com> : Subject: Re: CDD RDB + Datatrieve - what license do I need0 Message-ID: <9r786c$pf2@dispatch.concentric.net>  C When you Datatrieve EXTRACT ALL your domain and record definitions, ? you need to create separate specially named file names for each ' domain and record (and procedures etc.) 7 if you want to continue to use Datatrieve on the Alpha.  It takes some time to do that.  % Jim Strehlow, Data911 Systems Manager  Alameda, CA / "Let them do their worst. We will do our best."     ? "norm lastovica" <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> wrote in message $ news:3BD6A240.545B403D@oracle.com... > paul -& > please contact oracle directly.  I'm5 > sure that they'll be able to answer your questions.  >  > Paul Hallam wrote: > > H > > We have been tasked with moving an old application from VAX to ALPHAF > > due to the split of the old Rover company into 3 seperate entities > > (MG-Rover, Ford & BMW).  > > I > > This application uses CDD to store data structures which are compiled  > > into the Cobol programs  > > for execution.6 > > The application itself makes no use of CDD or RDB.A > > The support group for the application use datatrieve for data ' > > manipulation as and when necessary. I > > We need to keep costs to a minimum as this is an old application that  > > will just keep goingI > > for quite some time yet but will not require any further development.  > > F > > I believe we could do away with CDD and RDB but if we can get away > > with single user licenses + > > it's not believed to be cost-effective.  > > @ > > Can anyone confirm that I only need single user CDD, RDB and. > > Datatrieve licenses for the support group.H > > i.e. there is no hidden costs anywhere if the above is assumed to be	 > > true.  > >  > > Paul Hallam  > >  > > phallam@csc.com  >  > --@ > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 13:41:00 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) & Subject: Re: Compaq financial humour !3 Message-ID: <LAGBmWlymwDN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <3BD6FC14.2722F86@dplanet.ch>, John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch> writes:  J > By the way, did anyone else notice a total absence of anything about theF > transfer of Alpha to Intel ?  What did Compaq do ?  Did they give it
 > away ???  $ They hid it so you couldn't find it.  ; Actually, Intel probably hid it where you couldn't find it, ; in price reductions for CPU chips, possibly stretching over ; many years.  Intel has a vested interest in not letting all ; system manufacturers know what the others are paying.   But : I guess they weren't clever enough to hide the Compaq data from Hewlett Packard :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:58:18 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> & Subject: Re: Compaq financial humour !, Message-ID: <3BD71D57.2CCADD2F@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote: F > "Enterprise Computing revenue decreased $1.4 billion, or 38 percent, ... B > segment average as demand for Compaq Himalaya products remained
 > steady." > ; > In other words Alpha sales dropped substantially as well.   H Actually, you cannot make that deduction from that paragraph. EnterpriseK Computing consists mostly of Industry Standard servers. So a drop of wintel ? server sales will bring down the whole enterprise sector a lot.   E You have to look at the Business Critical servers number to draw that C conclusion (and yes, the numbers do support a drop in Alpha sales).    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:22:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> & Subject: Re: Compaq financial humour !, Message-ID: <3BD722E4.88012B3E@videotron.ca>  L > > By the way, did anyone else notice a total absence of anything about theH > > transfer of Alpha to Intel ?  What did Compaq do ?  Did they give it > > away ???  L Considering that on June 25 when Alpha was murdered, Curly already knew thatJ he was going to hand over Compaq to Carly, I would not be surprised if theI Alpha deal with Intel was structured in such a way to benefit HP once the  merger is consumed.   < So payment for the murder of Alpha may start only next year.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:22:34 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>& Subject: Re: Compaq financial humour !D Message-ID: <uiGB7.1100016$ai2.84189017@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  1 John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch> wrote in message # news:3BD6FC14.2722F86@dplanet.ch...    ...   / But look at income over the last 3 quarters ...   E Total income = $429 million,  Enterprise = $ 102 million, Access (ie. < PCs) = loss of $485 million, Global Services = $809 million.  F Drop the PCs (please) and we find income $ 914 of which Enterprise was
 about 11%.   *** J 'Enterprise' includes BCSG, ISS, and Enterprise Storage.  Storage was saidJ to be flat Q-to-Q (which means it likely turned a decent profit, as it hasH right along), and the Tandem portion of BCSG was said to be flat with Q3J 2000 (which should mean it did quite well indeed).  Alpha revenue seems toG have been down markedly from Q2, but what *was* sold was still probably  reasonably profitable.  K So once again we have ISS operating in an 'aggressive pricing environment), J which seems to mean "lost money hand-over-fist in order to try to maintainI market share".  I suspect that with ISS factored out the Enterprise space J would look a lot more attractive (and of course without it a large portion8 of the Global Services activity would likely evaporate). ***   7 Note also that it is very difficult to make a loss with . Global Services, the consulting arm of Compaq.   *** H Well, yes:  it's largely head-count, no inventory or R&D costs, and muchL more stable than the Q-to-Q sales fluctuations because it's based largely onJ *existing* installed hardware (accumulated over the years) rather than new	 business.   F That's likely why the brain-trust running Q thought that deemphasizingL everything else was such a good idea.  What they failed to take into accountI was that without a good continuing sales base it's a great deal harder to J keep the service business, since if customers buy their hardware elsewhere/ they'll likely buy their service there as well.   H One aspect of the Webcast that I heard before getting bored involved theK fact that the service revenue had skewed away from 'system integration' and L toward customer support and financing.  I suspect if that's true it presagesG a down-turn:  when customers start turning elsewhere for real technical J help, their loyalty (beyond the payment period on their existing hardware) becomes tenuous. ***   H By the way, did anyone else notice a total absence of anything about theD transfer of Alpha to Intel ?  What did Compaq do ?  Did they give it away ???   *** I Even Compaq's management was probably too sheepish to list explicitly the E sack magic beans Intel promised them for it.  If any actual discounts A accompanied them, they clearly weren't sufficient to allow PCs or + industry-standard servers to turn a profit.    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 13:03:42 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) - Subject: Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking 3 Message-ID: <yhm2rgUOtscy@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <3BD6FE1C.5F5196E3@dplanet.ch>, John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch> writes:  >    > M > Now if they had [divested PC division], Compaq would have made some decent  M > money in the last few quarters and been in a reasonably good position, one  J > that would be not that dissimilar to IBM who's shares have dropped a bit4 > recently but still nowhere near as much as Compaq. > C > Okay so I can say this with hindsight.  I'm not a CEO.  CEO's are & > supposed to have business foresight. >   @ 	Yep.  And the thinking is that the will keep the PC boat anchor@ 	because they wanna be "just like IBM", a full service provider.  > 	Unfortunately, HP/Compaq don't have large profit centers likeB 	mainframes and big services.  Hope is to grow services to make upC 	for the laggard PC division.  Those charts and graphs they look at = 	for PCs may get healthier if/when the HP/Compaq PC becomes a # 	re-badged Dell box.  Just an idea.    				Rob       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:08:43 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> - Subject: Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking , Message-ID: <3BD71FC7.8E5329D3@videotron.ca>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:A > if HP decides they don't want VMS, they will have to sell it to E > someone else because of those restrictive government contracts that  > require future support.   N HP or Compaq need not sell VMS, nor would they allow VMS to be sold to someoneK who could make money out of it. Those contracts require VMS to be supported M for X years. They don't require Compaq to continue to make VMS available as a 4 product or require VMS to have new versions etc etc.  M Compaq/HP are far more likely to give Microsoft the VMS intellectual property M and engineers than they are to sell VMS to some outfit that would continue to B develop VMS and market it against MS products which HP is selling.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:16:01 -0400 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>- Subject: RE: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking - Message-ID: <0033000039434641000002L012*@MHS>   9 =0AI suspect that many VMS engineers would commit seppuku & before becoming techoserfs in Redmond.   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET + > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 4:09 PM D > To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET/ > Subject: RE: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking  >  >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:C > > if HP decides they don't want VMS, they will have to sell it to H > > someone else because of those restrictive government contracts that=   > > require future support.  > = > HP or Compaq need not sell VMS, nor would they allow VMS to  > be sold to someone= > who could make money out of it. Those contracts require VMS  > to be supported < > for X years. They don't require Compaq to continue to make > VMS available as a6 > product or require VMS to have new versions etc etc. > 9 > Compaq/HP are far more likely to give Microsoft the VMS  > intellectual property = > and engineers than they are to sell VMS to some outfit that  > would continue to D > develop VMS and market it against MS products which HP is selling. >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:02:21 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> - Subject: Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking , Message-ID: <3BD7487C.767337B9@videotron.ca>   WILLIAM WEBB wrote:  > 8 > I suspect that many VMS engineers would commit seppuku( > before becoming techoserfs in Redmond.  K The same could have been said about the Alpha folks as well as the compiler L folks. Yet, I haven't heard of mass suicides in Spit Brook (or wherever they were located).  J Maybe some of them still consider Cutler as their God and would welcome an, opportunity to work for God  :-) :-) :-) :-)    M For some reason Cutler seems to be reveered by some. Is that a fairly general M feeling within VMS engineering ? Or is he seen as a traitor and one whose VMS  involvment has been overrated ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 05:26:25 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>- Subject: Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking B Message-ID: <5oNB7.161440$%B.11559009@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3BD7487C.767337B9@videotron.ca...   ...   G > For some reason Cutler seems to be reveered by some. Is that a fairly  general K > feeling within VMS engineering ? Or is he seen as a traitor and one whose  VMS ! > involvment has been overrated ?   I I don't know why you keep bringing this up:  Cutler has been explained to  you plenty of times before.   J Cutler was definitely respected:  he was a coder par excellence, producingK large volumes of high-quality code in remarkably brief periods of time.  He J was very bright, thorough, and insightful - though certainly no more so inL each of those individual respects than at least a few other DEC engineers ofE the time, and he was capable of making mistakes (though his technical  mistakes were very rare).   L As a manager (or just a project lead) he was demanding to the point of beingK frequently extremely abrasive:  whether you'd want to work for him depended G on your reaction to this, but he did cause the job to get done, and was G without question a pivotal force behind VMS V1.0 (and possibly the most L important force behind its actual implementation).  He was hardly consideredE a traitor for leaving DEC after DEC ditched his Seattle group's PRISM J project:  a lot of other very good people left at about the same time, and  for the same or similar reasons.  L Whether people would want to work for him at Microsoft would depend first onJ how they reacted to his style and second on how much they believed that heF would have the freedom to create a worthwhile product:  I suspect thatJ leaving Compaq today would be nowhere nearly the wrenching experience thatF leaving DEC in the '80s was, but going to Microsoft would still not beK likely to be many people's first choice - unless they had reason to believe 6 that the environment would not be 'industry-standard'.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:32:39 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> = Subject: Re: Converting an ODS-2 to an ODS-5 file system disk $ Message-ID: <3bd72568$1@news.si.com>  G >VMS Development is under the impression that their Alpha VMS customers 3 >want innovation more than their VAX VMS customers.   = Faulty impression.  We VAX customers want innovation as well.   L >There are surveys at each US DECUS symposium to give them feedback in these matters, >albeit indirectly.   J Since when does the self-chosen population at a DECUS symposium comprise a= representative population of VAX users, let alone a majority?  --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:34:59 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> = Subject: Re: Converting an ODS-2 to an ODS-5 file system disk $ Message-ID: <3bd725f3$1@news.si.com>  E >One aspect of the "indirectly" is the question about what version of C >VMS is being used.  I believe they get few Alpha customers running * >V6.1 but many VAX customers running V5.5.  J That's because newer versions of OpenVMS VAX do not contain the innovation VAX customers need.    >If those VAX customers : >wanted innovation more than stability they would upgrade.  K Pure and utter tripe.  They _can't_ upgrade because the features that would ' cause them to upgrade were denied them.  --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:41:24 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> = Subject: Re: Converting an ODS-2 to an ODS-5 file system disk $ Message-ID: <3bd72775$1@news.si.com>  K >Customers who easily have moved to recent VMS versions, also can "usually" ! >move easily to Alpha - and have.   J Nope.  We're using OpenVMS VAX V7.2 and soon V7.3 on our main systems.  WeE can't "upgrade" to OpenVMS Alpha because 1) Digital/Compaq refused to I encourage software vendors to port apps form VAX to Alpha and 2) it would H costs us millions in FAA recertification costs to rehost the developmentG environment we use to produce the software that flies Boeing commercial L aircraft.  We don't have that kind of money, even though we're sure it wouldK "just work".  The FAA won't take our word for it.  An upgrade of the O/S on J the same hardware doesn't cause an FAA recertification even.  Changing the hardware platform does.  --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2001 00:08:08 GMT' From: dashw459@aol.comeatspam (Doug W.)  Subject: CXX listings 9 Message-ID: <20011024200808.20850.00000265@mb-fi.aol.com>   N Recently I had to modify some heritage C code that is now compiled using C++. O Some of the code had routines that ran many pages and was nested 15 levels deep H with ifs.  Unfortunately I dropped a bracket on one of the ifs and had a  terrible time finding the error.  M The C compiler produces listings which show the nesting level of every line.  J The C++ compiler just shows the line number.  Finding a missing brace is aK problem under C++.  Is there a good reason why C++ listings do not show the I nesting level?  What do C++ programmers do when confronted with a nesting L error?  My solution was to use VI and a home grown utility to produce my own( list file.  There must be an easier way?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:04:12 -0400 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>* Subject: Re: DCPS and manual feed timeout.; Message-ID: <241020011404121791%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>   : In article <9r6kgv$pnd$1@info.service.rug.nl>, Fred Zwarts <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> wrote:  G > On our first generation postscript printers, which we used with DCPS, F > we were used to set the manual feed time-out to a rather short time.< > We did this with a piece of PostScript like the following: > L >     serverdict begin xxxx exitserver        % xxxx is the printer password >  >     statusdict beginM >     0 60 0 setdefaulttimeouts              % job manualfeed wait 60 seconds 	 >     end  > K > For the newer generation of HP printers, however, this does work anymore. < > The above piece of postscript exits with an error message:E >     invalidaccess: Attempt to acces restricted object or capability / >     - offending command is setdefaulttimeouts 
 ...snip... > M > I know that with PostScript level 2 and later, the exitserver method is not H > recommended anymore, but I can not find how to change the manual feed D > timeout now. This seems to be a printer specific extension of the @ > PostScript standard. The PostScript standard does not mention C > setdefaulttimeouts and for the HP printers we could not find the  - > documentation for the PostSript extensions.   G 'Setdefaulttimeouts' is a PostScript Level 1 compatibility operator and ? is mentioned in the Adobe PostScript Language Reference Manual:        setdefaulttimeoutsF       job manualfeed wait setdefaulttimeouts  (statusdict dictionary)  G     sets the values of the system parameters JobTimeout and WaitTimeout =     (see Table 3.2 on page 15), and the page device parameter =     ManualFeedTimeout (Table 2.2 on page 5) to job, wait, and      manualfeed, respectively.   G     This operator always accepts three operands, even if one or more of E     the relevant system or page device parameters are not present. If E     JobTimeout or WaitTimeout is absent, the corresponding operand is G     ignored; if ManualFeedTimeout is absent, the Policies dictionary is F     consulted and the applicable recovery policy is invoked (see PLR3,     Section 6.2.7).   C I sent your code to a Compaq Laser Printer LNM40 and an HP LaserJet G 8150.  The Compaq printer accepted the code but the HP printer did not, & returning the 'invalidaccess' message.  A This particular Compaq printer has Adobe PostScript, while the HP B printer does not.  It appears the problem is not with 'exitserver'D since I can change the HP printer's password using 'exitserver', but= rather with the HP implementation of the 'setdefaulttimeouts'  compatibility operator.    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Compaq Computer Corporation    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:26:07 -0700 . From: Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org>" Subject: DECwindows Mem Management( Message-ID: <3BD74E0F.4158485B@vmmc.org>  G In trying to run Mozilla, the program loaded and ran *extremely* slowly  on my workstation.  E I exited, then restarted Mozilla while watching that process run from  another session where F I ran SHOW PROCESS/CONTINUOS.  This showed me that the Working Set was limited  to 2048 pages.  H How do I increase the working set for this situation?  (Can anyone point me to documentation  about this situation?)  Thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:44:06 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> & Subject: Re: DECwindows Mem Management, Message-ID: <3BD7604E.835279F8@videotron.ca>   Jack Trachtman wrote: H > I ran SHOW PROCESS/CONTINUOS.  This showed me that the Working Set was	 > limited  > to 2048 pages.  . To change the working set limit for a process:   $SET DEF SYS$SYSTEM 
 $MC AUTHORIZE  UAF> SHOW username  R You will then see what your current WSQUOTA, WSEXTENT values (as well as PGFILQUO)  G you can then SYSUAF> MOD username /WSQUOTA=newvalue /WSEXTENT=newvalue.   9 For decwindows, you can try 16500 or higher for wsextent.   J WSQUOTA is your "basic" quota, and WSEXTENT is an "overdraft" quota if the system isn't very busy.   N Note: there is a SYSGEN parameter which may overrule these values. If WSEXTENT4 is higher than 2048, you may want to take a look at:  
 $MC SYSGEN SYSGEN> SHOW WSMAX  J This will give you the absolute maximum a process can be given even if its UAF> setting is higher. K If that value is very low, you will need to raise it, but that requires you G edit MODPARAMS.DAT and then run @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN GETPARAMS SETPARAMS     N If WSMAX is big enough and raise your UAF WSEXTENT, you need to logoff and log back in again.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:15:52 +0200 = From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com> * Subject: Re: Delta time between two date's) Message-ID: <3BD70558.2FE06711@dummy.com>   7 Couldn't they be sumitted to some VMS freeware archive. " The "Compaq OpenVMS Freeware CD" ?/ The WKU archive ? (at process.com right now...)    Jan-Erik Sderholm   Peter Weaver wrote:  > ? > I have two Fortran programs called DIF_DATES and DIF_TIMES...    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 11:48:39 -0700< From: alphaman-nixspam@hsv.sungardtrust.com (Aaron Sakovich)* Subject: Re: Delta time between two date's= Message-ID: <8af17fe1.0110241048.6cc2b440@posting.google.com>   [ Jan-Erik Sderholm <noone@dummy.com> wrote in message news:<3BD6B099.1C93EC65@dummy.com>...  > Hi. 6 > Probably an easy one, but I can't find the answer... > 4 > How to get the "time-difference" between two dates+ > in delta time format "DDDD-HH:MM:SS.CC" ?  > > > Such as "23-OCT-2001 10:00:00.00" - 22-OCT-2001 08:30.00.00" > = "1-01:30:00.00"  > 	 > Regards  > Jan-Erik Sderholm  F Here's a procedure I use -- it returns the days between dates, but notF the hours.  This could be something that is added relatively easily, I
 should think.   D This procedure was modified from code found on this list, adding theD global symbol "DBD$Delta" and some other tweaks to the code.  I hopeE the lines don't wrap on you, but recommend you review it just to make  sure...    Usage:    @dbd yesterday   @dbd yesterday tomorrow  @dbd 'f$getsyi("BootTime")'  @dbd 22-oct-1957    Aaron   5 --- DBD.Com ---- cut here ---------------------------  $!       Days Between Dates = $!        Accepts one or two parameters as VMS standard dates  (dd-mmm-yyyy).E $!        If only one, the delta from the current date is calculated. E $!        The global symbol DBD$Delta is set to the calculated value.  $! $       if p2 .eqs. ""
 $        then $ $         p2 = f$cvtime(,"absolute") $         SecondDay = "Today" 
 $        else  $         SecondDay = p2 $        endif4 $       call calculate_day_number "''p1'" "DBD$day1"4 $       call calculate_day_number "''p2'" "DBD$day2"( $       DBD$Delta == DBD$day1 - DBD$day2 $       write sys$output -5          f$fao("!AS = !UL, !AS = !UL, delta = !SL", - 6          p1, DBD$day1, SecondDay, DBD$day2, DBD$Delta) $       exit $ " $ calculate_day_number: subroutine $!      Parameters: A $!       P1 = VMS-spec date (dd-mmm[-yyyy], time portion ignored) ; $!       P2 = name of global variable to receive day number  $!/ $       year  = f$integer(f$cvtime(p1,,"year")) 0 $       month = f$integer(f$cvtime(p1,,"month")). $       day   = f$integer(f$cvtime(p1,,"day")), $       julian_day = (month-1) * 31 + day  -.          - (month .ge. 3) * (4*month+23)/10  ->          + ((month .ge. 3) .and. ((year/4)*4 .eq. year) .and.-F          (((year/100)*100 .ne. year) .or. ((year/400)*400 .eq. year)))8 $       'p2' == 44 + (year-1859)*365 + (year-1857)/4 - -.          (year-1801)/100 + (year-1601)/400 + -.          julian_day ! base date is 17-Nov-1858 $       endsubroutine    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:39:11 -0400 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>* Subject: Re: Delta time between two date's* Message-ID: <3BD726EE.8520C5C9@oracle.com>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  >  > OK.  > I don't have DSNlink set up.4 > But I do have a software support contract for VMS,/ > so maybe someone could just mail the DCL file  > directly to me ?  , 	use your software support contract and call3 compaq and ask them for it!  isn't that what you're  paying for?  and setup DSNlink!    >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm.  > * > jan-erik.soderholm***$***pac.ericsson.se >  > Replace "***$***" with "@".  >  > WILLIAM WEBB wrote:  > > @ > > If you have DSNlink, there's an article with some DCL called0 > > TIME.COM that was written by someone at DEC. > ...  > > 8 > > Because it's nontrivial (a few hundred lines of DCL)5 > > not to mention copyrighted, I can't post it here.  > >  > > 
 > > WWWebb   --  > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2001 20:59 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) * Subject: Re: Delta time between two date's- Message-ID: <24OCT200120591718@gerg.tamu.edu>   A Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com> writes...  }OK. }I don't have DSNlink set up. 3 }But I do have a software support contract for VMS, . }so maybe someone could just mail the DCL file }directly to me ?  }  }Jan-Erik Sderholm.   } ) }jan-erik.soderholm***$***pac.ericsson.se  }  }Replace "***$***" with "@". }  }WILLIAM WEBB wrote: }>  ? }> If you have DSNlink, there's an article with some DCL called / }> TIME.COM that was written by someone at DEC.  }....  }>  7 }> Because it's nontrivial (a few hundred lines of DCL) 4 }> not to mention copyrighted, I can't post it here. }>   }>  	 }> WWWebb   I Here's a timediff.com (119 lines long, including comments) that will work J with any dates that are valid in VMS (and it should keep working when they6 get around to allowing years with more than 4 digits).  J Its explanation of its usage is perhaps not all that clear, so here is the
 long version.    $ @timediff P1 P2 P3  < P1 is required (if you don't have any parameters, it returns; the usage text). It can be either a text string of the date C (i.e. "24-OCT-2001 20:25:36") or a symbol holding that information. = This is the "start time" of the interval - the earlier of the  two date-times.   A P2 is optional. It is the end time of the interval. If you do not . specify P2, it uses the current date and time.  C P3 is optional. It is where the output goes. If it is specified, it F is used as the name of a symbol into which the output text is written.< If it is not specified, the output is written to sys$output.  = Naturally, you can not specify P3 unless you also specify P2.   F As it is, the output delta time always has at least four digits in theH days field - if there should be less than 4, it pads with leading zeros.A At this point, I don't actually remember why I did this - I think C it may just have been to make aliging the output easier. The output ? does not include, or take into account, hundredths of a second.   	 Examples:    Time since start of VMS time:     $ @timediff "17-NOV-1858 0:0:0"  52206-20:31:41  D Time since last boot (I didn't know this would work until now - it's( pretty spiffy that this actually works):   $ @timediff "boottime"
 0024-04:41:33   ; Time number of days since 1-Jan-1970 written to symbol T70:   * $ @timediff "1-jan-1970 0:0:0" "today" t70
 $ sh symb t70    T70 == "11619-00:00:00"   E To get a time of "now" passed as the second parameter rather than the D start of the day that you get with the TODAY keyword, you can use anE empty string (this also shows using a symbol instead of a text string 
 on input):   $ start = "1-jan-2000 0:0:0.0" $ @timediff start "" t2k
 $ sh symb t2k    T2K == "0662-20:49:16"   --- Carl   $! TimeDiff.com K $! Calculate the amount of time between two date-time values in the typical - $! VMS text format (dd-mmm-yyyy hh:mm:ss.hh).  $!L $! V1.0 - Carl Perkins, March 2001; based on earlier stuff that had a bit ofK $!        error correction from Bob Kaplow (kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars) J $! V1.1 - Carl Perkins, June 2001; added error detection and correction toI $!        manage the case where P1 and/or P2 are given as symbols instead 2 $!        of text strings that are the date-times. $!M $! Subroutine MJD calculates the modified julian day (days since 17-Nov-1858, > $! which is - not exactly coincidentally - the VMS base date). $MJD: Subroutine
 $ jddate = p1 * $ jdy = F$CVTime(jddate,"ABSOLUTE","YEAR")- $ jdm = F$CVTime(jddate,"COMPARISON","MONTH") ) $ jdd = F$CVTime(jddate,"ABSOLUTE","DAY")  $ jdy = jdy + 8000 $ If jdm .LT. 3  $ Then $   jdy = jdy-1  $   jdm = jdm+12 $ EndIF O $ mjday == (jdy*365)+(jdy/4)-(jdy/100)+(jdy/400)-3600821+(jdm*153+3)/5-92+jdd-1  $ Exit' $ EndSubroutine ! end of MJD subtoutine  $!!! $ If P1 .EQS. "" $ ThenF $   Write Sys$Output "Usage: @timediff start-time [end-time [symbol]]"J $   Write Sys$Output " - start-time is required, end-time defaults to now"O $   Write Sys$Output " - if symbol not specified, output is written to display" F $   Write Sys$Output " - the times can be either text data or symbols" $   EXIT $ EndIf  $! $! Parse parameters  $! $ If P2 .EQS. """ $ Then !none given, default to now, $   now = F$CVTime("","ABSOLUTE","DATETIME") $ ElseF $! 1st, set up error trap for case when value passed to P2 is a symbol@ $   On Warning Then $ now = F$CVTime('P2',"ABSOLUTE","DATETIME") $   define/user sys$error nl:  $   define/user sys$output nl:+ $! now try and get the time specified in P2 1 $   now = F$CVTime("''P2'","ABSOLUTE","DATETIME")  $   deassign/user sys$error  $   deassign/user sys$output $   Set NoOn $ EndIf  $ If P3 .EQS. ""/ $ Then !none given, default to Write Sys$Output ! $   do_thing = "Write Sys$Output"  $ Else: $   do_thing = F$Edit("''P3'","COLLAPSE,UNCOMMENT")+" == " $ EndIf F $! 1st, set up error trap for case when value passed to P1 is a symbolC $ On Warning Then $ start_dt = F$CVTime('P1',"ABSOLUTE","DATETIME")  $ define/user sys$error nl:  $ define/user sys$output nl:+ $! now try and get the time specified in P1 4 $ start_dt = F$CVTime("''P1'","ABSOLUTE","DATETIME") $ deassign/user sys$error  $ deassign/user sys$output
 $ Set NoOn $! $! Do calculations $! $ Call MJD "''start_dt'" $ start_mjd = mjday  $ Call MJD "''now'"  $ end_mjd = mjday  $ If end_mjd .LT. start_mjd  $ Then !wrong order E $   Write Sys$Output "%TIMEDIFF-F-Oops, Start-time is after end-time"  $   Exit $ EndIf 3 $ start_time = F$CVTime(start_dt,"ABSOLUTE","TIME")  $ If end_mjd .EQS. start_mjd $ Then ! use shortcut  $   up_days = "0" D $   time_diff = F$CVTIME("''now'-0-''start_time'","ABSOLUTE","TIME")# $ Else ! calculate the whole schmoo  $   days = end_mjd - start_mjd@ $   start_hour = F$Integer(F$CVTime(start_dt,"ABSOLUTE","HOUR"))9 $   end_hour = F$Integer(F$CVTime(now,"ABSOLUTE","HOUR")) ! $   hours = end_hour - start_hour A $   start_min = F$Integer(F$CVTime(start_dt,"ABSOLUTE","MINUTE")) : $   end_min = F$Integer(F$CVTime(now,"ABSOLUTE","MINUTE"))! $   minutes = end_min - start_min A $   start_sec = F$Integer(F$CVTime(start_dt,"ABSOLUTE","second")) : $   end_sec = F$Integer(F$CVTime(now,"ABSOLUTE","second"))! $   seconds = end_sec - start_sec  $   If (seconds .lt. 0)  $   Then $     minutes = minutes - 1  $     seconds = seconds + 60	 $   EndIf  $   If (minutes .lt. 0)  $   Then $     hours = hours - 1  $     minutes = minutes + 60	 $   EndIf  $   If (hours .lt. 0)  $   Then $     days = days - 1  $     hours = hours + 24	 $   EndIf  $   If (days .LE. 9999)  $   ThenI $     time_diff = F$FAO("!4ZL-!2ZL:!2ZL:!2ZL",days,hours,minutes,seconds)  $   ElseH $     time_diff = F$FAO("!ZL-!2ZL:!2ZL:!2ZL",days,hours,minutes,seconds)	 $   EndIF  $ EndIF  $ 'do_thing' time_diff $ Exit   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 04:19:33 GMT , From: "Paul Dennis" <comedyox@earthlink.not>* Subject: Re: Delta time between two date'sC Message-ID: <ppMB7.1975$Xc.189821@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>    "Peter Weaver"J > I have two Fortran programs called DIF_DATES and DIF_TIMES the syntax in the 	 > .CLD is   H If you want a C version, I have one that returns the delta time in ASCII5 format in a DCL symbol specified on the command line.    Eg. %     $ mc []subt -- 12-NOV-1955 result   C If the 2nd date is later than the first, RESULT contains the string 
 "LIB$_NEGTIM"   = If the symbol is not supplied, a default symbol name is used.    Cheers,  .pd.         >  > ! DIFFTIMES time_1 time_2 ? > ! DIFFTIMES time_1 time_2 /SYMBOL[=symbol] [/LOCAL] [/GLOBAL] 0 > ! DIFFTIMES time_1 time_2 /LOGICAL[=logname] -2 > !                           [/TABLE[=tablename]]. > ! DIFFTIMES time_1 time_2 /OUTPUT[=filename] >  > and  >  > ! DIFFDAYS date_1 date_2> > ! DIFFDAYS date_1 date_2 /SYMBOL[=symbol] [/LOCAL] [/GLOBAL]B > ! DIFFDAYS date_1 date_2 /LOGICAL[=logname] [/TABLE[=tablename]]- > ! DIFFDAYS date_1 date_2 /OUTPUT[=filename]  >  > $ difd today 25-dec 7 > There are 62 days between 24-OCT-2001 and 25-DEC-2001 . > $ dift "''f$time()'" 17-NOV-1858:00:00:00.00L > The difference between 24-OCT-2001 12:18:53.10 and 17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00 > is 52206 Days 12:18:53.10 # > $ difd today 25-dec/sym=days_left  > $ show sym days_left > DAYS_LEFT == "62" * > $ dift login "''f$time()'"/log=time_here > $ show log time_here3 > "TIME_HERE" = "0 02:57:47.03" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  > 9 > If anyone wants the .FOR and the .CLD then let me know.  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:27:45 +0000 1 From: Robert DiRosario <rdirosario@starpower.net> # Subject: DSSI VAX cluster questions , Message-ID: <3BD74061.A0864AC@starpower.net>  H I now have the DSSI cables I need for my hobbyist VAX cluster and I have some questions.   E I have a VAX 4000/105A, two VAX 4000/106A's, three HSD10 DSSI to SCSI E converters and some DSSI and SCSI drives.  (I also have several uV/VS ! 3100's that will be on ethernet.)   G For the cluster system disk would it be better to use a DSSI drive or a B SCSI drive on a HSD10?  The only DSSI drives I have that are largeD enough to hold VMS are 5.25" RF7x drives.   I have fast DEC (SeagateF w/ DEC microcode) SCSI drives, but I don't know if it's good or bad toG have a HSD10 in-between the system disk and the DSSI bus.  (The HSD10's 8 were inside the VAXEN, which I got from a surplus sale.)  C For SCSI things like CDROM and tape drives is there much difference H between putting them on a SCSI bus on one of the systems vs putting them8 on a HSD10 on the second DSSI bus on one of the systems?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:49:22 GMT 3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> ' Subject: Re: DSSI VAX cluster questions / Message-ID: <3BD77C5A.591FCB05@cableinet.co.uk>    Robert DiRosario wrote:  > J > I now have the DSSI cables I need for my hobbyist VAX cluster and I have > some questions.  > G > I have a VAX 4000/105A, two VAX 4000/106A's, three HSD10 DSSI to SCSI G > converters and some DSSI and SCSI drives.  (I also have several uV/VS # > 3100's that will be on ethernet.)  > I > For the cluster system disk would it be better to use a DSSI drive or a D > SCSI drive on a HSD10?  The only DSSI drives I have that are largeF > enough to hold VMS are 5.25" RF7x drives.   I have fast DEC (SeagateH > w/ DEC microcode) SCSI drives, but I don't know if it's good or bad toI > have a HSD10 in-between the system disk and the DSSI bus.  (The HSD10's : > were inside the VAXEN, which I got from a surplus sale.) > E > For SCSI things like CDROM and tape drives is there much difference J > between putting them on a SCSI bus on one of the systems vs putting them: > on a HSD10 on the second DSSI bus on one of the systems?  D my experience with 4000/100's and HSD05 (not quite a HSD10, possibly they areE different) is that direct DSSI is better than HSD05 and if you have a  SCSIF port on the back as well as a DSSI port then use that in preference to1 the others. Sorry I never saw a model 105 or 106.    hope this helps    regards  --   Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk     C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of  ! my employers or service provider.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 04:02:15 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.net ' Subject: Re: DSSI VAX cluster questions A Message-ID: <b9MB7.50297$6i7.6005117@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>   4 Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:J :> For the cluster system disk would it be better to use a DSSI drive or aE :> SCSI drive on a HSD10?  The only DSSI drives I have that are large G :> enough to hold VMS are 5.25" RF7x drives.   I have fast DEC (Seagate I :> w/ DEC microcode) SCSI drives, but I don't know if it's good or bad to J :> have a HSD10 in-between the system disk and the DSSI bus.  (The HSD10's; :> were inside the VAXEN, which I got from a surplus sale.)  :>  F :> For SCSI things like CDROM and tape drives is there much differenceK :> between putting them on a SCSI bus on one of the systems vs putting them ; :> on a HSD10 on the second DSSI bus on one of the systems?   F : my experience with 4000/100's and HSD05 (not quite a HSD10, possibly
 : they areG : different) is that direct DSSI is better than HSD05 and if you have a  : SCSIH : port on the back as well as a DSSI port then use that in preference to3 : the others. Sorry I never saw a model 105 or 106.   I I did some tests on my 4000/500 with an RF72, RF73, and HSD05/RZ28 combo. H The HSD05/RZ28 combo was faster than the RF72, and equal in speed to the RF73.  --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net = Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:32:42 +0000 1 From: Robert DiRosario <rdirosario@starpower.net> ' Subject: Re: DSSI VAX cluster questions , Message-ID: <3BD75DA9.E8ABEC9@starpower.net>    >I never saw a model 105 or 106.K The 105 and 106 both have a SCSI bus and two DSSI busses.  The SCSI bus and ; one of the DSSI busses each have three internal connectors.    >4000/100's K On Sunday a friend just gave me two 4000/100's for free! :-)  It looks like * they have a one SCSI bus and one DSSI bus.   Thanks   Tim Llewellyn wrote:   > Robert DiRosario wrote:  > > L > > I now have the DSSI cables I need for my hobbyist VAX cluster and I have > > some questions.  > > I > > I have a VAX 4000/105A, two VAX 4000/106A's, three HSD10 DSSI to SCSI I > > converters and some DSSI and SCSI drives.  (I also have several uV/VS % > > 3100's that will be on ethernet.)  > > K > > For the cluster system disk would it be better to use a DSSI drive or a F > > SCSI drive on a HSD10?  The only DSSI drives I have that are largeH > > enough to hold VMS are 5.25" RF7x drives.   I have fast DEC (SeagateJ > > w/ DEC microcode) SCSI drives, but I don't know if it's good or bad toK > > have a HSD10 in-between the system disk and the DSSI bus.  (The HSD10's < > > were inside the VAXEN, which I got from a surplus sale.) > > G > > For SCSI things like CDROM and tape drives is there much difference L > > between putting them on a SCSI bus on one of the systems vs putting them< > > on a HSD10 on the second DSSI bus on one of the systems? > F > my experience with 4000/100's and HSD05 (not quite a HSD10, possibly
 > they areG > different) is that direct DSSI is better than HSD05 and if you have a  > SCSIH > port on the back as well as a DSSI port then use that in preference to3 > the others. Sorry I never saw a model 105 or 106.  >  > hope this helps  > 	 > regards  > -- > Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  > D > Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of# > my employers or service provider.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:30:33 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>' Subject: Re: EMC Symmetrix on OpenVMS ? @ Message-ID: <20011024183033.43728.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com>   Carlos  4 I manage two Alphaserver 4100 5/600 (OpenVMS 7.1-1h16 and 7.2)  and are connected to the EMC Symmetrix disks by SCSI KZPBA.4 The Symmetrix give us great reliabilty - but we know the lack of a "single channel".     / Next year we will change to Fibre Channel KGPSA 0 but we need to upgrade to OpenVMS 7.3 - (we must- upgrade to RDB 7.1 and Gembase 6.1 for this).   6 The two machines are not clusterized - each of them=20$ have a group of independent systems.  4 We tested EMC EDM for Backup and worked fine, but it5 is not in production now because we dont have "window 4 time" in our StorageTek robot....We will buy another4 robot next year or buy another Symmetrix for Backup.     Regards    FC=20     - --- Carlos Chua <cchua@singnet.com.sg> wrote:  > Hi,  >=206 > Has anyone tried connecting their Alphaserver to EMC > Symmetrix? My OS level3 > is OpenVMS V6.2. As this doesn't support multiple  > path access to disks drive0 > yet, I need some suggestion on how to create a > configuration that will 5 > prevent single point of failure. Is there anyway to  > protect from the SCSI 4 > HBA failure aside from using volume shadowing? EMC > disks are already 2 > mirrored protected. If I use volume shadowing, I > will end up with 4 copies  > which is too much. >=20 > Thanks in advance, >=20 > Carlos > chuacarlos@hotmail.com >=20 >=20     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D  F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 07:52:13 +0300  From: mergoktas@erdemir.com.tr) Subject: How to map VMS disk to a PC user 1 Message-ID: <C2256AF0.001AC13C.00@erdemir.com.tr>   ; As far as I know (heard) that a VMS disk can be used trough E NT or (Win2000). From a Visual basic or VC++ It is possible to access $ to a VMS disk file programaticcally.  A How can I map a VMS disk/disk file to a Windows user? Using which  software on either side? Please help. Thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:12:15 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Mitnick UncagedL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2410011412160001@user-2ive7ih.dialup.mindspring.com>  3 In article <3BD6EF4A.962E8C6E@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews  <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:     * > http://www.python.demon.co.uk/annoy.html  I That one is also invisible when viewd with Cyberdog 2.0.  It's not (just)  a Netscape problem.   . > http://www.python.demon.co.uk/annoymore.html  I For some reason, Cyberdog, which _is_ frames enabled, has no problem with 
 this page.  O (Just reminding folks that some useful software is even less popular than VMS.)    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 13:36:10 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged3 Message-ID: <nl2d7CIOb9IN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <3BD6EF4A.962E8C6E@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>   > * >> > Check it out http://www.marval.co.uk/ >>   >> That page comes up blank.I >> It takes a lot to find a vendor whose web site is worse than Compaq's.  > J > Perhaps it requires some plug in or feature that I've carelessly allowedC > my system to install for my comfort and convenience. I hate that.  >  > Try  > ! > http://www.marval.nl/master.htm    That one works fine.  Thanks.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:51:51 GMT 3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>  Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged/ Message-ID: <3BD70D1F.14C69B09@cableinet.co.uk>    Nic Clews wrote: >  > Tim Llewellyn wrote: > J > > All in the best of humour, (I hope) obviously. Execept that the decent > > helpdesk* > > application seems to be sadly lacking. > H > Rubbish. Best 'helpdesk' application BY FAR AND AWAY is (Open) Pursuit > from Marval. >   % OK, glad to be corrected on this one.   G > I've used probably every pointy clicky crappy system there is, and an I > odd one or two under VMS appallingly designed, but Pursuit puts them to  > shame.  D My life is so much better now I don't have to deal with Quetzal :-).   > F > You'll pay real money for this though, but you'll get a real service > management system. > G > Designed for ONE HANDED OPERATION (cos your other hand is holding the 	 > phone).  > D OK, but a headset is better anyway if you are taking a lot of calls.      > J > The best of it is, it runs on VMS, natively designed and programmed, and > ported to the lesser.   G Now is that a good way to develop code, or a good way tgo develop code?      regards       Nic Clews wrote: >  > Tim Llewellyn wrote: > J > > All in the best of humour, (I hope) obviously. Execept that the decent > > helpdesk* > > application seems to be sadly lacking. > H > Rubbish. Best 'helpdesk' application BY FAR AND AWAY is (Open) Pursuit > from Marval. > G > I've used probably every pointy clicky crappy system there is, and an I > odd one or two under VMS appallingly designed, but Pursuit puts them to  > shame. > F > You'll pay real money for this though, but you'll get a real service > management system. > G > Designed for ONE HANDED OPERATION (cos your other hand is holding the 	 > phone).  > J > OK it has a point clicky interface to impress the bean counters, but theE > interface that matters on character cell terminals is intuitive and  > flexible.  > J > The best of it is, it runs on VMS, natively designed and programmed, and > ported to the lesser.  > ' > Check it out http://www.marval.co.uk/  > I > (personal opinion, not that of my employer, as if you needed reminding)  > --* > Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences > nclews at csc dot com      --   Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk     C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of  ! my employers or service provider.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:52:57 GMT 3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>  Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged/ Message-ID: <3BD70D5F.269D3E6E@cableinet.co.uk>    Nic Clews wrote: >  > Tim Llewellyn wrote: > J > > All in the best of humour, (I hope) obviously. Execept that the decent > > helpdesk* > > application seems to be sadly lacking. > H > Rubbish. Best 'helpdesk' application BY FAR AND AWAY is (Open) Pursuit > from Marval. >   % OK, glad to be corrected on this one.   G > I've used probably every pointy clicky crappy system there is, and an I > odd one or two under VMS appallingly designed, but Pursuit puts them to  > shame.  D My life is so much better now I don't have to deal with Quetzal :-).   > F > You'll pay real money for this though, but you'll get a real service > management system. > G > Designed for ONE HANDED OPERATION (cos your other hand is holding the 	 > phone).  > D OK, but a headset is better anyway if you are taking a lot of calls.      > J > The best of it is, it runs on VMS, natively designed and programmed, and > ported to the lesser.   G Now is that a good way to develop code, or a good way tgo develop code?      regards            --   Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk     C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of  ! my employers or service provider.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:52:41 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged+ Message-ID: <VA.00000498.09d7fa6c@sture.ch>   M In article <rdeininger-2410011412160001@user-2ive7ih.dialup.mindspring.com>,   Robert Deininger wrote: 5 > In article <3BD6EF4A.962E8C6E@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews ! > <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:  > , > > http://www.python.demon.co.uk/annoy.html > K > That one is also invisible when viewd with Cyberdog 2.0.  It's not (just)  > a Netscape problem.  >  Also with Konqueror 2.1.1.  0 > > http://www.python.demon.co.uk/annoymore.html > K > For some reason, Cyberdog, which _is_ frames enabled, has no problem with  > this page. >    Konqueror is defeated by this.  Q > (Just reminding folks that some useful software is even less popular than VMS.)  >    ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:59:13 GMT 3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>  Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged/ Message-ID: <3BD70EDB.46D80E2F@cableinet.co.uk>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > V > In article <3BD6961A.B8761794@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > L > > The best of it is, it runs on VMS, natively designed and programmed, and > > ported to the lesser.  > > ) > > Check it out http://www.marval.co.uk/  >  > That page comes up blank. H > It takes a lot to find a vendor whose web site is worse than Compaq's.  2 Larry, if Javascript bothers you that badly surely> you can set up a noprivs VMS account with access to nothing ofC any value and use that for web-browing? Make it a DECNet object and D you could activate it easily. OK, you have to give it access to your@ X display. Is that too insecure for you? Anyone seen an x event  snooper in Javascript?   regards      --   Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk     C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of  ! my employers or service provider.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 16:39:16 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged3 Message-ID: <+i6mWjygHZpl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <3BD70EDB.46D80E2F@cableinet.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> writes:  >  >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>  W >> In article <3BD6961A.B8761794@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:  >>  M >> > The best of it is, it runs on VMS, natively designed and programmed, and  >> > ported to the lesser. >> >* >> > Check it out http://www.marval.co.uk/ >>   >> That page comes up blank.I >> It takes a lot to find a vendor whose web site is worse than Compaq's.  > 4 > Larry, if Javascript bothers you that badly surely@ > you can set up a noprivs VMS account with access to nothing of) > any value and use that for web-browing?   D     1.	I browse from a Macintosh not connected to internal networks.  D     2.	Even at that, I don't want to have to clean up after malware.= 	I have not had to spend my time in that fashion.  To me, the ; 	famous "X-10 popup" is just a rumor reported by many other  	people.  ?     3.	If web site designers don't want to communicate with me,  	that is their right.   >    4.	I see a surprising amount of sympathy for my attitude in 	web design newsgroups.    ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2001 17:28:21 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.062469.killspam.00be (Wayne Sewell)  Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged. Message-ID: <AhUlKUnKv+5i@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  e In article <3BD70EDB.46D80E2F@cableinet.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>  W >> In article <3BD6961A.B8761794@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:  >>  M >> > The best of it is, it runs on VMS, natively designed and programmed, and  >> > ported to the lesser. >> >* >> > Check it out http://www.marval.co.uk/ >>   >> That page comes up blank.I >> It takes a lot to find a vendor whose web site is worse than Compaq's.  > 4 > Larry, if Javascript bothers you that badly surely@ > you can set up a noprivs VMS account with access to nothing ofE > any value and use that for web-browing? Make it a DECNet object and F > you could activate it easily. OK, you have to give it access to yourB > X display. Is that too insecure for you? Anyone seen an x event  > snooper in Javascript?    N You don't really have to bother with decnet objects and the like.  Here's what I do:   > ================== util:run_mozilla.com ======================
 $ set noon $! p1 = url, if any # $! p2 = priv, ebay, or ""  (nopriv)  $ if f$mode() .nes. "BATCH"  $	then $ 		user="wayne_nopriv" ' $		if p2 .eqs. "PRIV" then user="wayne" , $		if p2 .eqs. "EBAY" then user="wayne_ebay" $		queue = "moe_batch % $		subm util:run_mozilla/que='queue'-  			/param=("''p1'") -  				/user="''user'" 	 $		exit 1  $	endif  $ define decw$display harpo::0 $ set proc/name="mozilla" ) $ location = "CURLY_DISK3:[MOZILLA_0_9_5.  $ if p1 .eqs. "" $	then $ 		@'location'mozilla]mozilla   $	else* $ 		@'location'mozilla]mozilla """''p1'""" $	endif      Then, I can   F $ @util:run_mozilla "" priv	! run privileged (mainly to read documents* $				! because unpriv can't access cdroms)J $ @util:run_mozilla "" ebay	! separate ebay account because they are rabid $				! about having cookies ( $ @util:run_mozilla		! default is unpriv     --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== H Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy.". Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:13:45 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged, Message-ID: <3BD77559.3060806@tsoft-inc.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  g > In article <3BD70EDB.46D80E2F@cableinet.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> writes:  >  >> >>Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>W >>>In article <3BD6961A.B8761794@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:  >>>  >>> L >>>>The best of it is, it runs on VMS, natively designed and programmed, and >>>>ported to the lesser.  >>>>) >>>>Check it out http://www.marval.co.uk/  >>>> >>>That page comes up blank.I >>>It takes a lot to find a vendor whose web site is worse than Compaq's.  >>> 4 >>Larry, if Javascript bothers you that badly surely@ >>you can set up a noprivs VMS account with access to nothing of) >>any value and use that for web-browing?  >> > F >     1.	I browse from a Macintosh not connected to internal networks. > F >     2.	Even at that, I don't want to have to clean up after malware.? > 	I have not had to spend my time in that fashion.  To me, the = > 	famous "X-10 popup" is just a rumor reported by many other 
 > 	people. > A >     3.	If web site designers don't want to communicate with me,  > 	that is their right.  > @ >    4.	I see a surprising amount of sympathy for my attitude in > 	web design newsgroups.  >   G You have to ask the basic question, what is the purpose of a web site?  H For the most part the answer is communication.  You want to communicate < with people, and usually, the more the better.  When it's a . vendor/customer thing, quantity is everything.  D So, anything that limits the number of people who your web site can F communicate with is counter-productive.  Using microsoft's customized H stuff that attempts to force users to use windoz exploiter doesn't help G the entity that has a web site to communicate with customers and such.  E Using stuff that some people will not accept for security reasons is  ; also bad for the web site owner.  It's just a bad activity.   F Not saying that some entities don't get enough business from IE users G that they either don't care, or are not aware.  Regardless, it is lost  E opportunity, and getting less than the best bang per buck is not the  . smartest way to run a business, or a web site.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:09:34 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged, Message-ID: <3BD7907A.F9AE384E@videotron.ca>   David Froble wrote: H > You have to ask the basic question, what is the purpose of a web site?1 > For the most part the answer is communication.      You have to be kidding, right ?   L The main purpose of a web site is for the windows weenie to impress his bossJ with a fancy looking web site that looks absolutely great on the boss' 21"+ display loaded with all the right plug ins.   F The second purpose is to be a marketing tool to match the company's TVN advertising and be loaded with lots of fancy designs and images with little orM no content. They are under the (false) impression that customers stumble onto M their web site (like you stumble on their TV ad when you switch channels) and 9 so they need to make it very flashy to get your eyeball.    J One of the best examples of a web site with no real purpose os that of theJ canadian GSM provider www.fido.ca ). They "broke" their web site this pastN january ( somehow, changing web sites required that their web site be down for a full week).   K Initially ( I think they fixed it), to find out if they had covereage in an L area, you had to enter the postal code for the street corner you wanted. YouI couldn't just get a regional map to get an idea of coverage !). If you're L going to a unfamiliar city and want to know if they have covereage, what are+ the odds that you'll know the postal code ?   M But if you look at it from the microsoft weenie's point of view, think of how N impressive his achievement must have been to be able to map a postal code to a3 lat/long and then select the proper map to display.   L But this isn't it ! If you have a macintosh, a few weeks after they launchedN they useless web site, they realised that some mac users had problems, so (andJ we're almost in november now), they (still) pop up a window with a "sorry,5 you're on a macintosh, you can't access our web site"     E The worse part is that this behaviour of their web site is tolerated.     E > So, anything that limits the number of people who your web site can * > communicate with is counter-productive.   J They don't realise that their web site is broken because they only test itK from inside their company with company-provided-configured PCs with all the K large screens etc etc. Besides, they think that everyone has PCs configured L the same way and that nobody has a MAC or worse, some other machine/browser.   > Using microsoft's customized< > stuff that attempts to force users to use windoz exploiter  M They don't realise that they are using microsoft proprietary stuff. (like the N minuscule fonts which MS artificially brings back to normal size so it appears; readable, but on other browsers, they come out unreadable).   ` One big culprit that seems more and more common is the use of <a href="JavaScript:my_routine()">' (or other upper-lower case variations).   N For one thing, "javascript:"  is not an approved URL, and secondly, because itI is in quotes, Netscape doesn't look at it in a case-insensitive way so it 0 doesn't act on it, it wants only "javascript".    M So on many sites, clicking on something doesn't do anything. You have to copy  the link location,M paste it in the location: field, fix "javascipt" to be all lowercase and then 
 press return.   H > that they either don't care, or are not aware.  Regardless, it is lostF > opportunity, and getting less than the best bang per buck is not the0 > smartest way to run a business, or a web site.  G marketing requires that the website be flashy and plenty of cute images   instead of focusing on contents.  N I am all for flashy content, but only in areas where the customer requests it.N  You want a 3d  VRML view of the product, then by all means, provide an optionE to display it. But don't overload your front page with useless stuff.   J Oh, and another beef, those FLASH animations when you access the home pageM which, when complete, just wait for you to press "go to home page" button  at G which point you are taken to the real home page. Why do they think that ) wasting customer's time is so important ?    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 11:43:24 -0700& From: snyderslake@yahoo.com (nuallain) Subject: Re: mode nibble??= Message-ID: <352b9262.0110241043.63ad943e@posting.google.com>   M >   But yes, we definitely need some additional context -- parallel printers  % >   have a nibble mode, for instance.   A Sorry about that.  I am taking a course called Topics in Computer A Architecture.  The class is attempting to teach Assembler without A doing any programming since the only VAX that the college had was A replaced.  That's another story.  This course does not attempt to F teach the entire language however, just an introduction before me move; into some other areas.  There are no text books to refer to D unfortunately.  What has been described to us is that at the machineE code level there are 4 bits that are a part of something (op code and F maybe also the operands - I'm not sure.  That's one of the questions IC had regarding this).  Are there mode nibbles attached to everything @ opcode & operand or is it something specific to the instruction?  C This has nothing to do with nibble modes for parallel printing.  In @ fact when I searched for mode nibble that is one the main search results that I come back with.  " Thanks again for all of your help.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:01:08 -0400 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>  Subject: Re: mode nibble??1 Message-ID: <SeEB7.902$RL6.9739@news.cpqcorp.net>   J In the VAX instruction set, the operand specifier (not the opcode) has a 4G bit "address mode" specifier.  These indicate how to use the operand to G fetch the value from memory.  It's all the basic stuff, but done in the 	 hardware.   
 such as...  3         #1               - literal mode - use the 1 K         (R0)            - register deferred mode - use the value pointed to  by R0 K         (R0)[R1]     - register deferred indexed mode - add the index in R1  to the address in R0  L There are 16 defined modes, from literal, to longword displacement deferred.  K What you need is a VAX Architecture Handbook circa 1981.  You'll find it in ) Instruction Formats and Addressing Modes.      nuallain wrote in message 4 <352b9262.0110241043.63ad943e@posting.google.com>...D >>   But yes, we definitely need some additional context -- parallel printers& >>   have a nibble mode, for instance. > B >Sorry about that.  I am taking a course called Topics in ComputerB >Architecture.  The class is attempting to teach Assembler withoutB >doing any programming since the only VAX that the college had wasB >replaced.  That's another story.  This course does not attempt toG >teach the entire language however, just an introduction before me move < >into some other areas.  There are no text books to refer toE >unfortunately.  What has been described to us is that at the machine F >code level there are 4 bits that are a part of something (op code andG >maybe also the operands - I'm not sure.  That's one of the questions I D >had regarding this).  Are there mode nibbles attached to everythingA >opcode & operand or is it something specific to the instruction?  > D >This has nothing to do with nibble modes for parallel printing.  InA >fact when I searched for mode nibble that is one the main search  >results that I come back with.  > # >Thanks again for all of your help.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:17:41 -0400 4 From: John Malmberg <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq> Subject: Re: mode nibble??4 Message-ID: <3BD713D5.5040700@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq>   nuallain wrote:   M >>  But yes, we definitely need some additional context -- parallel printers  % >>  have a nibble mode, for instance.  >> > C > Sorry about that.  I am taking a course called Topics in Computer C > Architecture.  The class is attempting to teach Assembler without C > doing any programming since the only VAX that the college had was C > replaced.  That's another story.  This course does not attempt to H > teach the entire language however, just an introduction before me move= > into some other areas.  There are no text books to refer to  > unfortunately.    = A college missing a chance to charge students for text books?   > Documentation for the Macro 32 assembler can be found from the documentation link at:   http://www.openvms.compaq.com   7 >  What has been described to us is that at the machine G > code level there are 4 bits that are a part of something (op code and H > maybe also the operands - I'm not sure.  That's one of the questions IE > had regarding this).  Are there mode nibbles attached to everything B > opcode & operand or is it something specific to the instruction?    D Those bits are specific to some machine architectures, and even thenC to some specific instructions.  Nothing generic can be assumed, not ! even the number of bits involved.   ; It would seem to be more efficient to design an instruction : set so that certain bits have the same or no meaning for a large set of instructions.  D So unless you are looking at a specific CPU architecture, the issues; of what bits do what and where they are can be meaningless.   B A specific machine may work as you describe, so could an imaginaryC teaching machine.  Then you can look at a specific instruction set.     B I have not heard of them refered to as mode nibbles before.  Which could explain:    E > This has nothing to do with nibble modes for parallel printing.  In B > fact when I searched for mode nibble that is one the main search  > results that I come back with.    ? Of course I also seem to remember 4 bits being referred to as a    nybble.       @ Have you considered visiting a library to look at their books on assembly language programming?   -John  malmberg@dskwld.zko.compaq.com Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:17:15 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: mode nibble??2 Message-ID: <flFB7.904$RL6.10022@news.cpqcorp.net>  f In article <352b9262.0110241043.63ad943e@posting.google.com>, snyderslake@yahoo.com (nuallain) writes:N :>   But yes, we definitely need some additional context -- parallel printers & :>   have a nibble mode, for instance. : B :Sorry about that.  I am taking a course called Topics in ComputerB :Architecture.  The class is attempting to teach Assembler withoutB :doing any programming since the only VAX that the college had was# :replaced.  That's another story.     F   Based solely on what you have indicated, the intent and the approachF   of this course appears odd -- attempting to teach assembler without F   any programming time is analogous to teaching folks to cook without G   allowing the cook(s) to taste and to learn from the results of their  C   efforts.   Its possible, but its a whole lot more work -- and the D   subset of folks that learn by doing will definitely have problems.  H   I can provide the school with information on the educational licensingC   program, if that is of interest.  See: http://www.openvmsedu.com/   I   You have several options here, including the Macro32 compiler available E   on OpenVMS Alpha (if your school has an OpenVMS Alpha system), the  I   Charon-VAX emulator available for Microsoft platforms, j-random (used)  K   Alpha or VAX system running OpenVMS, or you may want to learn some other  I   assemnbler -- either on another hardware platform, or using a software  G   simulator.  (The old "Core wars" game provided such a simulator, but  ,   things have progressed far beyond that...)  H   If I were in your situation, I'd teach myself to code in assembler -- K   there are (or were) public-access OpenVMS systems referenced in the FAQ,  K   and these can provide you with an opportunity to try to use what you have 
   learned.  C :                                   This course does not attempt to G :teach the entire language however, just an introduction before me move  :into some other areas.   F   I remember spending a semester writing what then seemed some fairly    serious assembler programs.   ; :                       There are no text books to refer to  :unfortunately.     H   The Macro32 instruction set reference manual is a part of the OpenVMS F   documentation set, and is available via pointers in the OpenVMS FAQ.D   There are other VAX documents around, and your school or computer E   center library might have a copy of the VAX Architecture Reference     Manual available.   G                   :What has been described to us is that at the machine F :code level there are 4 bits that are a part of something (op code andG :maybe also the operands - I'm not sure.  That's one of the questions I D :had regarding this).  Are there mode nibbles attached to everythingA :opcode & operand or is it something specific to the instruction?   H   Your instructor could be refering to the VAX "condition codes", to theJ   VAX "processor mode", or (most likely) to the "operand specifier" within#   the instruction operand field.      I   The VAX Macro reference manual (documentation URL in the FAQ) displays  F   the instruction opcode format -- see Chapter eight for the basic VAXG   architecture constructs, including discussions of the data types, and 9   the opcode, operand format, and the operand specifiers.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:41:20 GMT 4 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com>, Subject: Re: NFS, proxies and dynamic memory@ Message-ID: <4AGB7.220361$bY5.964674@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   You don't mention versions.   E 'D'ynamic indicates that the proxy has been loaded and is active.  So C without the 'D' flag being set, those proxy entries are not active.   I When I've experienced this problem, I remove the errant proxy entries and L then try adding them back to see what error I might be getting.  It's also a@ good idea to have REPLY/ENABLE turned on when you're doing this.  K Hopefully you will only need to do this with one or two proxies to see what  the problem is.    Matt.     > "Anders Wallin" <anders_wallin@altavista.com> wrote in message6 news:6cc41c7.0110240334.78c0d4d8@posting.google.com... > Hello! > K > I have a problem accessing a NFS-mounted VMS disk from a remote VMS node. H > When looking in the logfile the entries show that proxy matching seemsH > to fail, I get uid=-2 and gid=-2. I have double checked uid and gid onG > client and server node, and checked that the username matches the VMS  > username on the server node. > I > When looking at the proxies (UCX SHOW PROXY) I notice that most of them H > are of the type O or ON. There are very few of the OD or OND type. The: > help text and the manuals mention D (as dynamic memory). > C > 1) Will the proxies work if the do not have type D (OD, ND, OND)?  > 2) How make them "dynamic"?  > 3) Any other hints?  > I > We have approx 300 proxies set up on the computer hosting the disk. The H > command UCX SHOW COMM shows that max number of proxies are set to 550. >  > Thanks > Anders Wallin    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:17:13 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 1 Subject: Optimizing indexed file while adding key , Message-ID: <3BD79244.1EA3B5F7@videotron.ca>  M I have a large indexed file (60,000 records) with a single key. I want to add  2 more keys to it.  S The file is stable (no changes, no additions). But access time is fairly important.   M I know how I can use ANA/RMS/STAT and then used edit/FDL to optimize the file L and then convert it to the better FDL. And I know how to use EDIT/FDL to addC keys and then use convert to create the indices for those new keys.   K However, considering the size of the file, I am curious whether it would be J possible to do both the optimisation and the adding of the new keys with a single convert ?  L Does the code in edit/fdl use the output of ANA/RMS/STAT  when I add keys  ?  I Or is the only way to first add the keys, convert the file, then ana/rms, ' optimize the fdl and covernt it again ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 05:34:39 GMT + From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> 5 Subject: Re: Optimizing indexed file while adding key ; Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0110242225240.180-100000@jaipur>   $ On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, JF Mezei wrote:O > I have a large indexed file (60,000 records) with a single key. I want to add  > 2 more keys to it. > C > The file is stable (no changes, no additions). But access time is  > fairly important.   E I was under the impression that adding more keys only really effected J speed of additions and removals of new records.  Especially when there areH many duplicate values in the secondary keys.  So I wouldn't think addingM more keys would make a big difference on speed of lookups on the primary key.   J BTW, are you going to have an issue with lots on duplicates in one or bothJ of the secondary keys?  That could seriously effect performance looking up> by one of the secondary keys.  Make sure to use 'NULL keys' if appropriate.  O > I know how I can use ANA/RMS/STAT and then used edit/FDL to optimize the file N > and then convert it to the better FDL. And I know how to use EDIT/FDL to addE > keys and then use convert to create the indices for those new keys.  > M > However, considering the size of the file, I am curious whether it would be L > possible to do both the optimisation and the adding of the new keys with a > single convert ?   Should be possible.   N > Does the code in edit/fdl use the output of ANA/RMS/STAT  when I add keys  ?  D I doubt it, unless you use the 'OPTIMIZE' script... that's my guess.  K > Or is the only way to first add the keys, convert the file, then ana/rms, ) > optimize the fdl and covernt it again ?   B Well, the EDIT/FDL optimize I believe only looks at the stats from
 ANA/RMS/STAT.   B So what I would do is to first do an optimize FDL operation on theI current file stats with one key.  Then do the 'add keys' operation on the F optimized FDL.  Then do a convert on the existing file to this new FDL$ after optimization and the new keys.  D At least that's what makes sense to me.  No need to do two converts.  G Or maybe if you are really concerned you do all of the above operations I and then do another optimize + convert pass.  But I doubt it would make a  big difference.      -Ryan    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 03:34:27 GMT . From: Dennis Miller Sucks <nospam@hotmail.com>+ Subject: Re: OT: Let's make one thing clear 4 Message-ID: <Xns9144D1B655781K732J78A5@24.9.139.141>  E They don't teach free thinking in college any more.  It's considered   hate...   3 "Xeno Chauvin" <arfulbrank@houston.rr.com> wrote in 2 news:wy%A7.3431$NP1.294289@typhoon.austin.rr.com:   A > That's just what Osama, the Mullahs, and the Taliban think too. * > Autocracy is good, THEOCRACY is perfect!< > I do agree that politicians and lawyers are a drain on any$ > society but  they have their uses.> > IF populations (citizens) got their heads out of their asses7 > and did their own "politicking" then we wouldn't need 6 > "politicians". The laws would (?) be less convoluted3 > and we wouldn't need some ninny to "read" for us.  > Xeno >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:53:59 -0500 , From: "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com>F Subject: Re: PC164, OVMS7.2, isacfg and graphic cards (MACH64, S3 968)2 Message-ID: <9r7cul$9i5$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>  - Fred Kleinsorge wrote in message ...   ...... H >You can use the V+, but not the V2.  I actually *have* a server for the V2D >tucked away someplace, but it was never released, and we never sold boards >with a V2 on it.  >   Next freeware disk?   :)    Rich Jordan    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:01:28 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)F Subject: Re: PC164, OVMS7.2, isacfg and graphic cards (MACH64, S3 968)2 Message-ID: <YSGB7.911$RL6.10069@news.cpqcorp.net>  a In article <9r7cul$9i5$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>, "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com> writes:  : . :Fred Kleinsorge wrote in message ...   ......I :>You can use the V+, but not the V2.  I actually *have* a server for the H :>V2 tucked away someplace, but it was never released, and we never sold :>boards with a V2 on it.  :  : Next freeware disk?   :)  I   I'd *never* get away with including a graphics board with the Freeware. 4   Oh, sorry, you meant the software.  Nevermind. :-)    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 04:23:53 GMT ' From: Zelmo Kitowski <Zelmo@^Hkiwi.net>  Subject: Re: VMS 5.4 supported? ? Message-ID: <Xns9144DA1809F179874JK325999HR657893@24.9.139.141>   J Yeah my keyboard stuttered while I was blind in one eye and could not see  out of the other...       = mats@plea.se (Mats Magnusson) wrote in news:3bcca8f4@plea.se:   G >  ZK> VMS 5.4 is no longer supported.  The cut-off for Win2K certified  >  ZK> products was VMS 5.5-2. > 	 > Win2K ?  >  > How about Y2K ? :) >    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 13:25:01 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: Windows XP reality check please3 Message-ID: <AgiaB84ik$l0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   v In article <20011024132918.11057.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:$ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > K > Sorry, that is not a target niche so Compaq doesn't want your business to  > have VMS.  >   G    May change when IA-64 systems start to ship.  Compaq knows they need     applications.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 13:33:05 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 0 Subject: Re: WRITEBOOT and dual-boot bootblocks?3 Message-ID: <85FCkgmRThUb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   z In article <BxBB7.890$RL6.9865@news.cpqcorp.net>, lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) writes:  = > It would be a little nicer for the end user not to have to  = > figure out which of two or three CDs to put into the drive, @ > but nobody seems to be complaining now that there are separate > CD sets for VAX and Alpha.  @ I don't think anyone who does not know whether they are on a VAX8 or an Alpha should be involved with installing software.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:51:09 +0200 . From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk>8 Subject: Re: X server and SET DISPLAY on different port?= Message-ID: <3bd737f6$0$29087$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk>   H Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A04017.92B9818F@SendSpamHere.ORG...G > OK... The remote side is running MultiNet.  I'll see if I can get the G > TCPIP tracing from it.  In the interim, here is a TCPTRACE from the X 4 > server side with the server listening on port 119.  9 >    TCPIPtrace RCV packet 428 at 24-OCT-2001 13:11:33.86 9 >    TCPIPtrace XMT packet 429 at 24-OCT-2001 13:11:33.86 9 >    TCPIPtrace RCV packet 436 at 24-OCT-2001 13:11:34.00 9 >    TCPIPtrace XMT packet 854 at 24-OCT-2001 13:12:05.86 9 >    TCPIPtrace RCV packet 855 at 24-OCT-2001 13:12:06.02 9 >    TCPIPtrace RCV packet 856 at 24-OCT-2001 13:12:06.02 9 >    TCPIPtrace XMT packet 857 at 24-OCT-2001 13:12:06.02  [major snippage above]   Hello Brian.   What we see here is:  I TCP client 209.210.4.253 (local port 4099) successfully establishes a TCP J connection with TCP server 192.168.100.3  port 119. The 3 packets 428, 429K and 436 contain the standard SYN, SYN-ACK, ACK three-way handshake required K for this, you can see this in the "TCP flags" field for each packet. It all ; takes less than a second (from 13:11:33.86 to 13:11:34.00).   F At 13:12:05.86 (30 seconds later), TCP server 192.168.100.3 decides toG terminate the connection (packet 854, TCP flags FIN (and also ACK). TCP J client 209.210.4.253 responds with ACK (packet 855), and that's the end of
 the story.  	 Analyzis:   F The X-client at 209.210.4.253 successfully establishes the TCP networkL connection to the X-server at 192.168.100.3. The X-client is now supposed to> send an Open-Connection data packet to initiate the X-protocolH communication. This packet never appears, and apparently the X-server atG 192.168.100.3 gives up waiting after 30 seconds, and terminates the TCP  connection.   # Tentative conclusion and questions:   J There exists a network connection between 209.210.4.253 and 192.168.100.3,I otherwise the 3-way handshake would not be successful. However, why do we J never see the first 'real' X-client packet? Could it be, that the firewallL is so 'clever/restrictive' that it knows about the type of traffic, which isE supposed to appear on port 119, and that it rejects traffic, which it  'knows' is not natural here?  K I suggest, that you may have to talk to the firewall manager's (but perhaps + avoid calling them nazi's to their faces!).   K Still if you can, it would be interesting to see the traffic from the other  end of the connection.       Best regards     Jesper Naur    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 13:29:07 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: [MOZILLA] Burner of CPU time!!!3 Message-ID: <Ir0pKsPixq$L@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3BD589E0.808D5649@theblakes.com>, Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes:   ] > The UNIX code (from which the VMS version is built) expects to be able to select() on a set ] > of fd's that include the X connection number. On OpenVMS, the X connection number is NOT an  > fd  C    On OpenVMS X events and I/O events can all be waited on by event E    flag.  This is a bigger effort to port, but might not be that big. 5    COE may change select() to deal with this problem.   C    In the meantime, how about if we can tune the loop to our needs? -    Some of us are still running 175Mhx 21064.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2001 13:32:37 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: [MOZILLA] Burner of CPU time!!!3 Message-ID: <$7bN1kTSBdxK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <55f85d77.0110240146.50d15274@posting.google.com>, P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) writes:   7 > Downloading foo.1.2.3 to become foo_1_2_3 is just not , > going to cut it these days on ODS-5 disks.  >    The CRTL patch already addresses this (VMS721_ACTRL-V0200).*    Netscape of course predates that patch.  6 > On this topic another thing that *REALLY* bugs me is6 > PCSIs inability to handle lower case file names when: > the Mozilla kit is downloaded onto an ODS-5 disk pending > installation.   :    Yep, I thought the PCSI patch was supposed to fix this,&    but it doesn't (VMS721_PCSI-V0100).   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:18:21 GMT ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> , Subject: Re: [MOZILLA] Burner of CPU time!!!- Message-ID: <3BD7220D.560A5CBF@theblakes.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:  E >    In the meantime, how about if we can tune the loop to our needs? / >    Some of us are still running 175Mhx 21064.   ] Try it. That's why the logicals are there. Just define them in your LOGIN.COM or whatever....    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.593 ************************