1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 25 Oct 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 594       Contents:, Another DSSI VAX cluster connection question/ Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld  Re: Backup tape-label problem  Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL Re: BCC support in VMSMAILK Re: Browsing a VMS FTP site, with Browser, fails to display names correctly  Can u help me ?  Re: Can u help me ?  Re: Can u help me ? 1 Re: CDD RDB + Datatrieve - what license do I need , Re: CLD & error handling from within program, RE: CLD & error handling from within program Re: Compaq financial humour !  Re: Compaq financial humour ! $ Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking! Controller-based Mirror Set Usage  Re: DECNET ping equivalent?  Re: DECwindows Mem Management ! Re: Delta time between two date's ! Re: Delta time between two date's  Re: DSSI VAX cluster questions Re: DSSI VAX cluster questions. Errors on RTA-ports in OpenVms version 5.5-2 ?2 Re: Errors on RTA-ports in OpenVms version 5.5-2 ?2 Re: Errors on RTA-ports in OpenVms version 5.5-2 ?2 Re: Errors on RTA-ports in OpenVms version 5.5-2 ?! Re: FTP timing out with OPCOM msg 3 Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted 7 RE: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted 7 Re: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted 7 RE: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted ) Re: Fwd: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking  Hanging processes  Re: Hanging processes $ Re: How to map VMS disk to a PC user$ Re: How to map VMS disk to a PC user$ Re: How to map VMS disk to a PC user ImageMagick %LINK-I-UDFSYM Re: ImageMagick %LINK-I-UDFSYM Re: ImageMagick %LINK-I-UDFSYM Re: ImageMagick %LINK-I-UDFSYM/ KNOW WHEN A SUBMIT JOB IS FINISHED RETURN VALUE + Re: MAIL utility (was: Re: Can u help me ?)  MIME Compliant Mail from VMS  Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS  Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS. Minicopy handling of removed shadow set member2 Re: Minicopy handling of removed shadow set member2 Re: Minicopy handling of removed shadow set member Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: Mitnick Uncaged  Re: OpenVMS on API's CS20 ? , Re: Optimizing indexed file while adding key Renamed file Re: Renamed file, Study: H-P & Gateway To Be Forced Out of PCs0 Re: Study: H-P & Gateway To Be Forced Out of PCs! SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM  The best thing on the internet Top Ten Internet  Business# Re: Windows XP reality check please # Re: [MOZILLA] Burner of CPU time!!!   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:25:45 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> 5 Subject: Another DSSI VAX cluster connection question $ Message-ID: <3bd83d07$1@news.si.com>  J I have a cluster whose two boot nodes are VAX 4000 Model 600As.  The disks> are attached via a pair of HSD30 controllers, not in redundantH configuration.  I have two shelves of RZ28/RZ29s each controller and the( third SCSI port is reserved for a TSZ07.  L I have inherited another shelf of RZ29s that I'd like to use, but since bothJ HSDs are tapped out, I believe I need to buy another.  The question I haveC is: can I put another DSSI node in this configuration?  How may HSD  controllers are allowed? --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:13:26 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld) Message-ID: <3BD7D7B6.A7310461@127.0.0.1>    Wayne Sewell wrote:  > N > My web servers have been getting a lot of hits such as the following lately: >   J > This causes a success code instead of a failure, but instead of whateverJ > response they are trying to get, they get yadda.html, which consists of: >    > E > I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay.  I sleep all night and work all day.  >    My hovercraft is full of eels.   Nice one Wayne, respect!   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:13:45 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld0 Message-ID: <00A040AD.0CAD3902@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <fgWITHTI0EV1@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.062469.killspam.00be (Wayne Sewell) writes:V >In article <3BD756FA.E1B746C7@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:J >> I've been getting these same hits since ~ Sep 11. They occur ~ every 30K >> minutes and originate from different IPs each time (usually 64.164.*.*). , >> Have you noticed any similar originators? > O >I did a search of my most recent logs just now, and most of my bogus hits from J >the last few hours were coming from 216.  216.191.145.182, 216.35.116.93,% >216.153.216.87, 216.95.244.178, etc.   H The constant barrage of this Code Red and Nimda crap is eating up my T1 
 bandwidth.  I I've been so busy filtering through this crap that I missed a few hacker  H attempts on other services, even direct TELNET attempts.  One, which I'dI called the owners about yesterday, was a Linux box at uiowa.edu.  Time a- C gain for a call to a class action suit against the R.A.T.S.N.E.S.T.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 05:43:51 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110250443.6975fcda@posting.google.com>   s wayne@tachysoft.xxx.062469.killspam.00be (Wayne Sewell) wrote in message news:<isHQ9KKsEisA@tachxxsoftxxconsult>... N > My web servers have been getting a lot of hits such as the following lately: >   , > 'GET' '/MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)[ > 'GET' '/_mem_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) [ > 'GET' '/_vti_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) 6 > 'GET' '/c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)6 > 'GET' '/d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)w > 'GET' '/msadc/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c/..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) H > 'GET' '/scripts/..%%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)F > 'GET' '/scripts/..%%35c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)J > 'GET' '/scripts/..%25%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)F > 'GET' '/scripts/..%252f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)F > 'GET' '/scripts/..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c0%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c1%9c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) . > 'GET' '/scripts/root.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) > ) > the following lines to HTTP_PATHS.CONF:  > ( > redirect /scripts/*    /www/yadda.html( > redirect /MSADC/*      /www/yadda.html) > redirect /_mem_bin/*    /www/yadda.html ) > redirect /_vti_bin/*    /www/yadda.html ( > redirect /c/winnt/*    /www/yadda.html( > redirect /d/winnt/*    /www/yadda.html+ > redirect /default.ida*    /www/yadda.html & > redirect /msadc/*    /www/yadda.html > # ===================================  > N > My hope is that getting monty python instead of whatever they were expectingP > will confuse the software and prevent further hits from that session.  It doesP > appear to be working to some extent.  I have seen cases in the log where thereI > is just one hit from a particular site instead of the entire sequence.  M > Unfortunately, in other cases the hits just keep coming.  There may be more > > than one virus or other rogue program generating this stuff. > P > However, I don't want to cause problems for anybody other than virus perps andQ > hackers.  If any of the above are legitimate accesses to a web server, somebody A > please tell me and I will turn off the redirect for that entry.  >  >  > Wayne   K thats called "NIMDA" ... any site that hasn't patched their IIS junk by now K have brain dead admins running the sites, although personal pcs running IIS K can hit you just the same ... if the offenders continue to bother you, just L packet filter their addresses out until they wake up ... otherwise they willL just bounce right off of your vms web server ... isn't nice to have the most( secure web server platform in the world!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:24:49 -0400 ' From: Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org> 8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld, Message-ID: <3BD812A1.4070C7A5@ui.urban.org>   Wayne Sewell wrote:  > N > My web servers have been getting a lot of hits such as the following lately: > , > 'GET' '/MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)[ > 'GET' '/_mem_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) [ > 'GET' '/_vti_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) 6 > 'GET' '/c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)6 > 'GET' '/d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)w > 'GET' '/msadc/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c/..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) H > 'GET' '/scripts/..%%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)F > 'GET' '/scripts/..%%35c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)J > 'GET' '/scripts/..%25%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)F > 'GET' '/scripts/..%252f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)F > 'GET' '/scripts/..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0)G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c0%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) G > 'GET' '/scripts/..%c1%9c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) . > 'GET' '/scripts/root.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) > L > I assume these are all assaults from the billyworld, i.e. viruses or otherQ > rogue programs.  I don't know what these accesses are trying to accomplish, but P > since most of them are trying to reach the system32 directory of a billybox, I) > doubt they are particularly benevolent.  > P > Are any of these legitimate, or do they all fall into the category of assault? [snipped the rest]  D They're all attempts to exploit known weaknesses in billyworld. ThisB is the sort of material that got Gartner to suggest that customers	 drop IIS.   C My firewall drops approximately 60,000 of these connection attempts F per day, mostly because they're attempting to connect to systems whereE I'm not publishing web services. I've been getting these since before F 9/11 btw. There was a huge infusion of assaults from China starting inD May or so (remember the plane incident?). I've been getting a lot ofC hits from a few sites in Ecuador lately, but my hunch is that these - are compromised systems, not the originators.   E Our published web servers are stuck with receiving this nonsense, but C at least the relevant security holes have been plugged. Some of our E web servers are running IIS, but there are easy defenses to put up to @ protect them against these exploits (except for the DOS issue of< spending the time to discard them). As so often happens with@ billyware, the weaknesses aren't just bugs or fundamental designC flaws, but also features turned on by default. Attackers are simply F banking on the likelihood that many web sites simply tossed an IIS boxD onto the Internet without going through a server hardening exercise.C Interestingly, many of Microsoft's instructions for securing an IIS D web server involve turning off or removing features that are present by default.   C I tried to spare the web servers from having to ingest the incoming D puke by having my firewall dig more deeply into the packets, lookingD for requests for *.IDA, CMD.EXE, etc., but unfortunately my firewall? wasn't able to keep up. Instead, I occasionally add the biggest D culprits to the blacklist I keep on the firewall, and that eases the pressure on our web servers.   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/) ' Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/) . ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 08:53:24 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld3 Message-ID: <hyLn0ITvDikS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3BD812A1.4070C7A5@ui.urban.org>, Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org> writes:  F > They're all attempts to exploit known weaknesses in billyworld. ThisD > is the sort of material that got Gartner to suggest that customers > drop IIS.   4 Do you suppose Gartner had machines that got hosed ?  E > My firewall drops approximately 60,000 of these connection attempts H > per day, mostly because they're attempting to connect to systems where" > I'm not publishing web services.  < I get lots of garbage against my Macintosh on a cable modem.4 A regular stream of packets when I am doing nothing.  ; I hate to contemplate the total wasted bandwidth going down ; the cable itself (from my side of the modem I only see what  is addressed to my machine).   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:44:33 GMT 3 From: sy18889@rabbit.fmr.com (Bradford J. Hamilton) 8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld. Message-ID: <lzVB7.10$M3.46@news-srv1.fmr.com>  	 Hi Larry,   W I have BlackIce Defender monitoring incoming traffic (same cable modem system) at home. E I get many, many hits/day, mostly from computers looking for port 80.   M It *is* a waste - I have complained to the cable modem provider, to no avail.    --Bradc In article <hyLn0ITvDikS@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: W >In article <3BD812A1.4070C7A5@ui.urban.org>, Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org> writes:  > G >> They're all attempts to exploit known weaknesses in billyworld. This E >> is the sort of material that got Gartner to suggest that customers  >> drop IIS. > 5 >Do you suppose Gartner had machines that got hosed ?  > F >> My firewall drops approximately 60,000 of these connection attemptsI >> per day, mostly because they're attempting to connect to systems where # >> I'm not publishing web services.  > = >I get lots of garbage against my Macintosh on a cable modem. 5 >A regular stream of packets when I am doing nothing.  > < >I hate to contemplate the total wasted bandwidth going down< >the cable itself (from my side of the modem I only see what >is addressed to my machine).    Bradford J. Hamilton  bradhamilton@mediaone.net	(home) brad.hamilton@fmr.com		(work)   ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:15:04 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld0 Message-ID: <00A040CE.C24507B6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  d In article <lzVB7.10$M3.46@news-srv1.fmr.com>, sy18889@rabbit.fmr.com (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:
 >Hi Larry, > X >I have BlackIce Defender monitoring incoming traffic (same cable modem system) at home.F >I get many, many hits/day, mostly from computers looking for port 80. > N >It *is* a waste - I have complained to the cable modem provider, to no avail.  K After the side effects of Code Red (ARP storms) took Optimum Online service K its knees, OOL placed a block on all port 80 traffic in bound.  Yeah!  This I cut down much of the crap hitting my web server.  Now, if only all of the 4 other broadband consumer services would follow suit. --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:37:04 -0400 + From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> 8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld2 Message-ID: <6kWB7.958$RL6.10455@news.cpqcorp.net>  6 > 'GET' '/c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir', (HTTP/1.0) etc.  J As mentioned by previous posters, these entries indicate attempted attacks= on port 80, looking for a vulnerable IIS server to infect and K self-propogate. For OpenVMS-based web servers, the results of these attacks L range from annoynance to denial-of-service to legitimate clients. The worms'L payload are inaffective on OpenVMS, but they consume connections which are aG limited resource and also consume disk space as a result of hundreds or / thousands of entries in access/error log files.   L It does more harm than good to configure the server to return data for theseL "requests" because the worms do nothing with it and it only consumes network
 bandwidth.  0 Actions you can take for these particular worms:  B 1. Apply anti-virus software to vulnerable PCs under your control.J 2. Apply security patches to vulnerable IIS servers under your control and" tighten security on those systems.L 3. Use firewalls/proxies to filter incoming traffic from compromised systems (no small task).J 4. For OpenVMS-based servers like Apache, you can selectively drop entries@ corresponding to worm-attacks if their volume becomes a problem:  ;    # set env named codered if Request_URI match default.ida 1    SetEnvIf Request_URI "^/default\.ida$" codered   >    # now set the custom log (presumed that "common" is defined;    # somewhere.)  only log entries that don't match codered /    CustomLog log/access_log common env=!codered    For more information:   4 http://www.w3.org/Security/Faq/www-security-faq.html http://www.fbi.gov/nipc/ http://www.cert.org/ http://www.denialinfo.com/  
 Rick Barry) Compaq Secure Web Server Development Team  OpenVMS Engineering  Compaq Computer Corporation    ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2001 08:48:05 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) & Subject: Re: Backup tape-label problem0 Message-ID: <9r8jk5$gms$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  Z In article <9r78kl$pfd@dispatch.concentric.net>, "Jim Strehlow" <jims@data911.com> writes:@ >Is this one of those problems where the qualifier is misplaced?H >I usually use $BACKUP/otherQualifiers/LABEL=DG04   DISKG:   MKA500:etc.K >where the /LABEL is a qualifier to the BACKUP portion of the statement ... " >not as a qualifier to the MKA500:   HELP BACKUP states clearly:  BACKUP     /LABEL           /LABEL=(string[,...])         Output Save-Set Qualifier    N Note that the phenomenon doesn't occur regularly. It just happens from time to, time and I couldn't find any systematic yet.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 07:00:59 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)# Subject: Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110250600.11d66732@posting.google.com>   Q david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<9r6haq$1lc$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>... j > In article <d7791aa1.0110240454.4f25a88a@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:T > >david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<9r3unm$5ou$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>...m > >> In article <d7791aa1.0110230603.2a6d2644@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:  > > L > >it is on our vms 7.1 freeware cd ... it may be out of date but we have toN > >use it because vms mail can't parse mime and can't separate attachments ...P > >this out of date version of pine can!  that must mean that vms mail is really > >out of date!    > - > Yes VMS MAIL is really really out of date.  P > Most mail clients in use nowadays were either written with SMTP mail and MIME P > in mind or were thoroughly updated as these standards were developed and came  > into wide use.O > VMS Mail simply wasn't. DEC had a corporate mail package which made them lots Q > of money and hence preferred to spend funds on developing that rather than the  L > free mail system which came with VMS. And then later they decided that the# > future was Microsoft's Exchange.   > H > But the VMS MAIL client itself needs updating to properly handle MIME  > attachments etc J > Over time there have been various cludges usually originating with usersM > porting and adapting public domain code or developing their own code which  6 > sometimes then much later got adopted by DEC/COMPAQ. > egP > The public domain external MIME encoding /Decoding facilities which Compaq has) > repackaged as the VMS 7.x MIME utility.  > N > (Doing this was pretty pointless since the public domain facilities existed.P > What was required (and still is ) was support for Mime inside VMS Mail not as  > an external program).  > K > PINE and (even more) PMDF MAIL show that such an update to VMS Mail using ( > the VMS MAIL store is not impossible.  >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University  J you hit the nail right on the head ... and you can throw RMS into the sameG bucket ... we could use bigger arrays in our records if they would have K extended the 32767 record size limit ... here is a question for our current H or past dec employees ... remember "SPIRALOG", the 64 bit file system toH replace RMS ... why was that killed?  i asked several people in softwareJ support and they said because of poor performance ... i don't buy that, ifN that was true they would have never finished it for release ... i think oracleJ had a lot to do with killing it as spiralog would have decreased sales for+ oracle, rdb, and other high priced db's ...    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:06:33 +0200 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> # Subject: Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL ; Message-ID: <01K9X9TTR4PK90WCRT@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H > remember "SPIRALOG", the 64 bit file system to replace RMS ... why wasH > that killed?  i asked several people in software support and they saidI > because of poor performance ... i don't buy that, if that was true they J > would have never finished it for release ... i think oracle had a lot toG > do with killing it as spiralog would have decreased sales for oracle, & > rdb, and other high priced db's ...    Please explain.  :-|   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:00:36 -0400 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> # Subject: Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL / Message-ID: <ttga8u9e5bdl97@news.supernews.com>   $ It actually sends the mail via SMTP.  7 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <noone@dummy.com> wrote in message # news:3BD7180D.38787C50@dummy.com...  > OK.  > ( > What does in do that m(un)pack can't ?) > Is it supported in some way by Compaq ?  > - > (And no, I don't have access to DSNlink...)  > Jan-Erik Sderholm.  >  > John Vottero wrote: F > > Just this morning a new DSNlink article was posted that is a C/C++ example , > > of sending MIME encoded mail via SMTP...   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:02:05 GMT 5 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@REMOVETHISossc.net> # Subject: Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL A Message-ID: <NPVB7.24424$W87.1083551@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   K Hmmm.  I was under the impression that Spiralog was to replace the XQP.  We J even began coding our server to it.  There is no way that anyone was going to kill off RMS.   -John   5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0110250600.11d66732@posting.google.com... + > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message ' news:<9r6haq$1lc$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>... A > > In article <d7791aa1.0110240454.4f25a88a@posting.google.com>, * bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:. > > >david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message' news:<9r3unm$5ou$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>... D > > >> In article <d7791aa1.0110230603.2a6d2644@posting.google.com>,* bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: > > > K > > >it is on our vms 7.1 freeware cd ... it may be out of date but we have  toL > > >use it because vms mail can't parse mime and can't separate attachments ... K > > >this out of date version of pine can!  that must mean that vms mail is  really > > >out of date!  > > . > > Yes VMS MAIL is really really out of date.L > > Most mail clients in use nowadays were either written with SMTP mail and MIMEL > > in mind or were thoroughly updated as these standards were developed and came > > into wide use.L > > VMS Mail simply wasn't. DEC had a corporate mail package which made them lotsI > > of money and hence preferred to spend funds on developing that rather  than theJ > > free mail system which came with VMS. And then later they decided that the $ > > future was Microsoft's Exchange. > > I > > But the VMS MAIL client itself needs updating to properly handle MIME  > > attachments etc L > > Over time there have been various cludges usually originating with usersH > > porting and adapting public domain code or developing their own code which 8 > > sometimes then much later got adopted by DEC/COMPAQ. > > egG > > The public domain external MIME encoding /Decoding facilities which 
 Compaq has+ > > repackaged as the VMS 7.x MIME utility.  > > G > > (Doing this was pretty pointless since the public domain facilities  existed.J > > What was required (and still is ) was support for Mime inside VMS Mail not as > > an external program).  > > G > > PINE and (even more) PMDF MAIL show that such an update to VMS Mail  using ) > > the VMS MAIL store is not impossible.  > >  > > David Webb > > VMS and Unix team leader > > CCSS > > Middlesex University > L > you hit the nail right on the head ... and you can throw RMS into the sameI > bucket ... we could use bigger arrays in our records if they would have E > extended the 32767 record size limit ... here is a question for our  current J > or past dec employees ... remember "SPIRALOG", the 64 bit file system toJ > replace RMS ... why was that killed?  i asked several people in softwareL > support and they said because of poor performance ... i don't buy that, ifI > that was true they would have never finished it for release ... i think  oracleL > had a lot to do with killing it as spiralog would have decreased sales for- > oracle, rdb, and other high priced db's ...  >    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 11:09:59 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL 3 Message-ID: <ouIlTLtuw6Lw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   y In article <NPVB7.24424$W87.1083551@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@REMOVETHISossc.net> writes: M > Hmmm.  I was under the impression that Spiralog was to replace the XQP.  We L > even began coding our server to it.  There is no way that anyone was going > to kill off RMS.  I Spiralog was designed from the outset to favor write-mostly applications. E The market for that is minimal, but if your server happened to be one D where such a bias is appropriate, the approach would have been good.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 08:47:38 -0700# From: nye_osborne@hotmail.com (Nye) T Subject: Re: Browsing a VMS FTP site, with Browser, fails to display names correctly= Message-ID: <3bcd2eea.0110250747.401300a7@posting.google.com>    Folks,  > The information provided by the posters, while not 'fixing' myF problem, has been very informative and I now know what the issues are,) and what is required to work around them.  I do appreciate this.   E I will inform our guys, that work-arounds are available and what they  are.  D I have e-mailed the system manager of the VMS FTP Server and will be: asking what TCPIP$ logicals they have set on their system.  E I hope this thread will be of some assistance to others who encounter 
 this problem.   
 Thanks again.        Nye    > > H > > The only alternative I've seen is to replace the UCX ftp server (I'mI > > presuming you're using UCX) with the MadGoat server (or other vendors B > > ftp server which can provide U*X-like ftp dirs to the client). > H >     I concur. The madgoat FTP server has generally been very good and ? >     certainly has a switch to make the output more unix like.  > G >     Of course, it's just as hard to get the rest of the UCX users to  # >     switch their FTP servers too.  > J >     Perhaps the best long-time approach is for the IETF to come up with H >     a standard for the FTP file list format, though they would likely I >     argue that ftp is dying out and been replaced by http. Perhaps one   >     of them can comment ?  > 
 > Regards, >  > ----------------------# > Andy Harper B.Sc., M.B.C.S, C.Eng  > Systems and Mail Manager > Kings College London   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 9:45:54 -0500 From: pius_s@ALMARK.LAMAR.EDU  Subject: Can u help me ?0 Message-ID: <011025094554.c686@ALMARK.LAMAR.EDU>   Can you tell me how i can get a list of the date and time of all my mails in mmy mail folder in my VMS VAX login account. Can i also get the list of date and time of all mails from a particular user.    Thanks and Regards,  Leo pius   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:00:28 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>  Subject: Re: Can u help me ?< Message-ID: <howard-F71CAE.11002825102001@enews.newsguy.com>  I In article <011025094554.c686@ALMARK.LAMAR.EDU>, pius_s@ALMARK.LAMAR.EDU   wrote:  O > Can you tell me how i can get a list of the date and time of all my mails in  O > mmy mail folder in my VMS VAX login account. Can i also get the list of date  / > and time of all mails from a particular user.   6 Go into MAIL and issue the DIRECTORY command, I think. --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:25:51 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Can u help me ?) Message-ID: <3BD82EFF.F5D3769A@127.0.0.1>    pius_s@ALMARK.LAMAR.EDU wrote: >  > Can you tell me how i can get a list of the date and time of all my mails in mmy mail folder in my VMS VAX login account. Can i also get the list of date and time of all mails from a particular user.   & Can you turn on line wrapping? Thanks!   Try  MAIL> DIR/FROM=USER   B This gives you the date only, but a brute force method would be to EXTRACT/ALL and  SEARCH the resultant file.   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:22:09 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> : Subject: Re: CDD RDB + Datatrieve - what license do I need$ Message-ID: <3bd82010$1@news.si.com>  G >If you only use Rdb for storing CDD information then you do not need a  >separate license for it.   A If I recall, the current version of CDD doesn't need Rdb to store C definitions, either.  I believe it can also use non-database files.  --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:45:20 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> 5 Subject: Re: CLD & error handling from within program $ Message-ID: <3bd8338e$1@news.si.com>  G >:I would like to use a CLD from within a Pascal program....If I enter   >:something invalid I get: >:C >:%CLI-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spelling 	 >: \HUGO\ 1 >:%TRACE-W-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows  >..  > J >  You need to create a signal handler, as the CLI routines tend to signal= >  errors.  At its simplest, you can use something like this:  > " >    lib$establish(lib$sig_to_ret)  ' $ LINK/NOTRACE seems to work well, too.  --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:21:45 +0100 7 From: "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@reading.sema.slb.com> 5 Subject: RE: CLD & error handling from within program H Message-ID: <D30A62ABC710D211AEE100A0C9D615EE015290A5@reaes2.sema.co.uk>  + LINK/NOTRACE has one disadvantage, however.   5 Once linked with notrace, the traceback messages are  8 removed for the entire run of the program. LIB$ESTABLISH4 can be negated, so that if the process subsequently 4 crashes for some other reason, the stack dump can be, very useful for discovering what went wrong.  3 My technique for using CLD files is always to enter    lib$establish(lib$sig_to_ret);!   -  before calling CLI$DCL_PARSE       then switch back with  
 lib$revert();    -  straight after.   - John     -----Original Message-----@ From: Brian Tillman [mailto:tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com] Sent: 25 October 2001 16:45  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 5 Subject: Re: CLD & error handling from within program     G >:I would like to use a CLD from within a Pascal program....If I enter   >:something invalid I get: >:C >:%CLI-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spelling 	 >: \HUGO\ 1 >:%TRACE-W-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows  >..  > J >  You need to create a signal handler, as the CLI routines tend to signal= >  errors.  At its simplest, you can use something like this:  > " >    lib$establish(lib$sig_to_ret)  ' $ LINK/NOTRACE seems to work well, too.  --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company      K ___________________________________________________________________________ B This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the H individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are E solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of   SchlumbergerSema. M If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this I email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or  - copying of this email is strictly prohibited.   z If you have received this email in error please notify the SchlumbergerSema Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600.K ___________________________________________________________________________    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:50:30 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> & Subject: Re: Compaq financial humour !8 Message-ID: <0g2gtt8l3jggi5hrs8cl9c6qsgn8ajptm7@4ax.com>  , On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:58:18 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:    >Alan Greig wrote:G >> "Enterprise Computing revenue decreased $1.4 billion, or 38 percent,  >...C >> segment average as demand for Compaq Himalaya products remained  >> steady."  >>  < >> In other words Alpha sales dropped substantially as well. > I >Actually, you cannot make that deduction from that paragraph. Enterprise L >Computing consists mostly of Industry Standard servers. So a drop of wintel@ >server sales will bring down the whole enterprise sector a lot.  B I realize that but I was commenting on the fact that the financialE discussion said that ISSG was way down and that Business Critical was B down but not as far as it might have been *because* NSK sales held0 steady. By implication here Alpha sales did not.  F >You have to look at the Business Critical servers number to draw thatD >conclusion (and yes, the numbers do support a drop in Alpha sales).   Agreed.    -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 09:08:52 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>& Subject: Re: Compaq financial humour !- Message-ID: <87k7xkr0ez.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:   D > > > By the way, did anyone else notice a total absence of anythingB > > > about the transfer of Alpha to Intel ?  What did Compaq do ? > > > Did they give it away ???   D > Considering that on June 25 when Alpha was murdered, Curly alreadyE > knew that he was going to hand over Compaq to Carly, I would not be E > surprised if the Alpha deal with Intel was structured in such a way , > to benefit HP once the merger is consumed.  > > So payment for the murder of Alpha may start only next year.  ; Do you mean after HP take over? If so, the Q's shareholders   would have a field day in court!     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:33:33 +0200 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> - Subject: Re: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking ; Message-ID: <01K9X0B24T3690WCRT@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   G > For some reason Cutler seems to be reveered by some. Is that a fairly I > general feeling within VMS engineering ? Or is he seen as a traitor and 0 > one whose VMS involvment has been overrated ?   H I hope I saved the post here from a while back where certain aspects of A working under Cutler were compared to a homo-erotic cowboy movie!    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:55:44 -0500 ( From: David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com>* Subject: Controller-based Mirror Set Usage8 Message-ID: <i29gttc12iic2qb5epb05b3js1qdi4vc2m@4ax.com>  E We are trying to come up with a way to create a reporting copy of our C database.  The application code does not allow us to use a stand-by = instance of oracle, opened read-only, to run reports against.   C One of the options were are looking at is to use a controller-based F mirror set.  We are using HSJ50s with V5.7J-1 firmware and HSG80s withC V8.6F-1 firmware.  The idea is to use a controller based mirror set A for the database volume, split the mirror, create a unit for that C split member, mount it on a node, start oracle and run the reports.   D So, has anyone done this?  Can it be done programmatically (Assuming- we'll need the SAN command scripter product)?    Thanks for any information,    Dave Harrold    N ..............................................................................F David Harrold                         E-Mail: David_Harrold@aurora.org< Sr. Software Systems Engineer         Phone:  (414) 647-6204<                                       Pager:  (414) 941-4634< Aurora Health Care                    Fax:    (414) 647-4999 3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 07:07:45 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)$ Subject: Re: DECNET ping equivalent?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110250607.7aae1d5e@posting.google.com>   V Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message news:<3BD6FB29.33DC22E3@rdrop.com>... > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > > F > > why remember it?  use it!  we use tcpware for phase iv over ip andE > > smtp over decnet mail ... if you look a little while, you usually G > > can find the products you need for vms, if not, write it!  there is F > > no excuse not to be running vms now or in the immediate future ...: > > unless you want mr nimdas IIS nightmare ... good luck! > J > Not all of us get to live in your private world; some of us have to deal* > with SMTP hosts that don't speak DECNET. > F > Sorry, but I'm tired of your tone and unwillingness to deal with theG > _realities_ that the rest of us have to.  For only the second time in D > two years, and maybe the fifth time in the fifteen years I've been > involved with USENET...  >  > Author = *PLONK*.   L you could live in the vms world if you knew what products were available forO decnet ... did you see what i stated above?  tcpware allows smtp-to-decnet "or" P decnet-to smtp ... it will translate the decnet addr to the appropriate internetN host address ... so that means your tcpware smtp host can bridge between other" smtp hosts!  so whats the problem?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:07:19 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>& Subject: Re: DECwindows Mem Management) Message-ID: <3BD80077.CCA616A4@127.0.0.1>    JF Mezei wrote:  > 0 > To change the working set limit for a process: [cut] P > Note: there is a SYSGEN parameter which may overrule these values. If WSEXTENT6 > is higher than 2048, you may want to take a look at: >  > $MC SYSGEN > SYSGEN> SHOW WSMAX > L > This will give you the absolute maximum a process can be given even if its > UAF> setting is higher. M > If that value is very low, you will need to raise it, but that requires you I > edit MODPARAMS.DAT and then run @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN GETPARAMS SETPARAMS  > P > If WSMAX is big enough and raise your UAF WSEXTENT, you need to logoff and log > back in again.  3 While all this is correct if you are $ RUN ........   G If you have put Mozilla into your menu, you'll be creating (probably) a F detached process, and the quotas come fromn the PQL_D* (but overriddenF where necessary by PQL_M*) SYSGEN parameters. Also subject to WSMAX as stated.   
 MCR SYSGEN SYSGEN> SH/PQL  G Follow the advice above for changing them using MODPARAMS, but they are D dynamic, and you could change them on the running system if you know what you're doing.   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:15:23 +0200 = From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com> * Subject: Re: Delta time between two date's) Message-ID: <3BD7BC0B.80ED847B@dummy.com>    OK.  Thanks all for all examples ! ' Shouldn't there be a lexical for this ?   : I just tried the COM file below (timediff.com) and got the following result :   $ timediff "boottime" 
 0273-00:14:07  $ sh sys/noproc D OpenVMS V7.2-1  on node xxxxxx  25-OCT-2001 09:11:53.06  Uptime  272 22:59:04 $   " Anyone know why this defference ??   Jan-Erik Sderholm.      Carl Perkins wrote:  >  > K > Here's a timediff.com (119 lines long, including comments) that will work L > with any dates that are valid in VMS (and it should keep working when they8 > get around to allowing years with more than 4 digits). >  ...  ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:24:27 -0400 ' From: Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org> * Subject: Re: Delta time between two date's, Message-ID: <3BD8128B.34C1AAE7@ui.urban.org>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:   4 > How to get the "time-difference" between two dates+ > in delta time format "DDDD-HH:MM:SS.CC" ?   B The RTL routine LIB$SUB_TIMES (subtract times) serves exactly this purpose.  C Others have posted examples of parsing date/time strings at the DCL  level.  F If you're working at the DCL level, you might not even need to do dateF subtraction, depending on what you're doing. For example, you might be? inclined to do something like this, which doesn't exist in DCL: . $ if (date2 minus date1) .gts. "   7-00:00:00"D Instead, you could do something like the following, which does exist in DCL: < $ if f$cvtime ("''date2'-7-00:00:00") .gts. f$cvtime (date1)   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/) ' Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/) . ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:29:51 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>' Subject: Re: DSSI VAX cluster questions ) Message-ID: <3BD7DB8F.1179D3E5@127.0.0.1>    dittman@dittman.net wrote: > K > I did some tests on my 4000/500 with an RF72, RF73, and HSD05/RZ28 combo. J > The HSD05/RZ28 combo was faster than the RF72, and equal in speed to the > RF73.   G RF72 is quite a slow drive. Of the RF drives, the faster drives are the E RF31's (not too bad), RF73 OK, RF74 OK (3.5 gig, rare) but better are F the RF35, RF36. I have an EF52 (200 MB solid state) but I've not foundG it's performance to be as I expected (faster still), it maybe becuase I H have my disk caches large and my fragmentation level is very low, and it is rare I hammer my system.    --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:02:56 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.net ' Subject: Re: DSSI VAX cluster questions @ Message-ID: <kYUB7.14379$Z2.2279752@e420r-atl2.usenetserver.com>  ) Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:  : dittman@dittman.net wrote: :>  L :> I did some tests on my 4000/500 with an RF72, RF73, and HSD05/RZ28 combo.K :> The HSD05/RZ28 combo was faster than the RF72, and equal in speed to the  :> RF73.  I : RF72 is quite a slow drive. Of the RF drives, the faster drives are the G : RF31's (not too bad), RF73 OK, RF74 OK (3.5 gig, rare) but better are H : the RF35, RF36. I have an EF52 (200 MB solid state) but I've not foundI : it's performance to be as I expected (faster still), it maybe becuase I J : have my disk caches large and my fragmentation level is very low, and it : is rare I hammer my system.   J The original question was an RF7x vs. a fast SCSI device connected through an HSD10, though.  --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net = Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 02:58:29 -0700@ From: Dirk.Van.Bouchaute@Kender-Thijssen.be (Dirk Van Bouchaute)7 Subject: Errors on RTA-ports in OpenVms version 5.5-2 ? = Message-ID: <383301ac.0110250158.714fd80e@posting.google.com>    Hello,  E Some VMS systems (I suppose the problem is related to the vms-version 	 (5.5-2?)) E log errors on the RTAx (RTA1,RTA2,RTA3,..) port (which is mapped when E a decnet 'set host' is done towards that system). It does not seem to ) be a serious problem but some people here C are curious to know the reason of these errors. Does anyone know if > this is a 'known problem' and how it could possibly be cured ?   Many thanks in advance !   Dirk Van Bouchaute% Dirk.Van.Bouchaute@Kender-Thijssen.be    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:30:04 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>; Subject: Re: Errors on RTA-ports in OpenVms version 5.5-2 ? ) Message-ID: <3BD7F7BC.80719445@127.0.0.1>    Dirk Van Bouchaute wrote:  > G > Some VMS systems (I suppose the problem is related to the vms-version  > (5.5-2?)) G > log errors on the RTAx (RTA1,RTA2,RTA3,..) port (which is mapped when G > a decnet 'set host' is done towards that system). It does not seem to + > be a serious problem but some people here E > are curious to know the reason of these errors. Does anyone know if @ > this is a 'known problem' and how it could possibly be cured ?  H Not related to the version, I see errors under most (all?) versions with RTA devices.  H I've never looked at them. Try an ANAL/ERR/INC=RTA1/OUT=filename.ext and see what they say.  @ RTA devices are effectively pseudo devices, there is no hardwareG associated with them, so I expect the error is actually an event rather  than a real problem.   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:34:27 -0400 5 From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> ; Subject: Re: Errors on RTA-ports in OpenVms version 5.5-2 ? / Message-ID: <3BD84D23.C89B835F@compaq.com.doom>   G     These errors are not logged in the error log so that won't help.  I , just took a quick look at the driver to makeE sure the reasons were what I remembered.  They are reporting protocol , errors, things like a read that was returnedB without a terminator, reads that were returned with more data than4 requested.  There are others, they are all non-fatalF events that the driver keeps a count of.  You can ignore them there is# nothing you can really do about it.    Forrest    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 10:50:56 -0700, From: r.m.jansen@philips.com (Robert Jansen); Subject: Re: Errors on RTA-ports in OpenVms version 5.5-2 ? ; Message-ID: <b53986.0110250950.74f0438b@posting.google.com>    Dirk.Van.Bouchaute@Kender-Thijssen.be (Dirk Van Bouchaute) wrote in message news:<383301ac.0110250158.714fd80e@posting.google.com>...  > Hello, > G > Some VMS systems (I suppose the problem is related to the vms-version  > (5.5-2?)) G > log errors on the RTAx (RTA1,RTA2,RTA3,..) port (which is mapped when G > a decnet 'set host' is done towards that system). It does not seem to + > be a serious problem but some people here E > are curious to know the reason of these errors. Does anyone know if @ > this is a 'known problem' and how it could possibly be cured ? >  > Many thanks in advance ! >  > Dirk Van Bouchaute' > Dirk.Van.Bouchaute@Kender-Thijssen.be   F Same thing here on a microvax running that version. The weird thing isF that the errors appear in the SHOW ERROR output but dissapear from the7 output once the RTA device that has the error logs out.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:17:20 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>* Subject: Re: FTP timing out with OPCOM msg) Message-ID: <3BD802D0.DFE8C21C@127.0.0.1>    Chris Jensen wrote: G > My company has two OpenVMS 7.2 servers. We are getting occasional ftp = > service timeouts on both with the following OPCOM messages:   : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  16-OCT-2001 23:01:15.62  %%%%%%%%%%%& > Message from user INTERnet on ALPHA2& > INTERnet ACP Timeout Idle FTP Server  A Exceeding the idle timeout as set for the FTP service, usually 15 G minutes. It is only happening because someone is not quing a QUIT after D the last file transfer, but there have been X minutes of inactivity,$ timeouts don't happen spontaneously.  6 See TCPIP HELP SET SERVICE /INACTIVITY_TIMER to change   Check this out:  TCPIP> show service ftp/full   Service: FTP-                            State:     Enabled G Port:               21     Protocol:  TCP             Address:  0.0.0.0 ? Inactivity:          5     User_name: TCPIP$FTP       Process:  	 TCPIP$FTP C Limit:              10     Active:      0             Peak:       7   , File:         TCPIP$SYSTEM:TCPIP$FTP_RUN.COM Flags:        None   Socket Opts:  Rcheck Scheck 0  Receive:            0     Send:               0  F Log Opts:     Acpt Actv Dactv Conn Error Exit Logi Logo Mdfy Rjct TimO Addr8  File:        SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$FTP]TCPIP$FTP_RUN.LOG   Security  Reject msg:  not defined   Accept host: 0.0.0.0   Accept netw: 0.0.0.0  TCPIP>  7 Inactivity appear to be set at 5 minutes on our system.    --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:33:36 -0400 % From: "Lou Solomon" <lny98@yahoo.com> < Subject: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted/ Message-ID: <ttgcgta0m9sb07@corp.supernews.com>    All:  J My (new) manager has given me the task of deciding what is going to be ourL future programming platform.  Currently, we are both a Windows and VMS shop,F programming in Visual Basic on Windows, and DEC Basic on VMS.  Data isK stored on either SQL 7.0 DB or RMS files (accessed from PC's via CONNX odbc 	 drivers).   K He is an open source advocate, and would love a solution that is reasonably L priced, multiplatform (or at least not locking us into one OS, or one client% platform), powerful (of course), etc.   I For example: should we go towards a solution where the client is always a E web browser?  (sure makes it easy to have workers @ home, and to port  programs over to our clients).H What about those open source languages like Python or TCL, etc.?  And of course, what about Java?  J I guess I'd love any real world experiences or even philisophical musings.H (We are still in the philosophical stage... we know it isn't going to be easy to move over).    Thanks in advance.   Lou Solomon    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:27:25 -0500 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> @ Subject: RE: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions WantedL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF1170DDC6@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----, > From: Lou Solomon [mailto:lny98@yahoo.com]  H > programming in Visual Basic on Windows, and DEC Basic on VMS.  Data is? > stored on either SQL 7.0 DB or RMS files (accessed from PC's   > via CONNX odbc > drivers).   I I know which of the two I'd choose, and I've only ever used the other. ;)   @ > He is an open source advocate, and would love a solution that  > is reasonably = > priced, multiplatform (or at least not locking us into one   > OS, or one client ' > platform), powerful (of course), etc.   D Wouldn't we all?  All solutions will have their problems, of course.  @ > For example: should we go towards a solution where the client 
 > is always a G > web browser?  (sure makes it easy to have workers @ home, and to port   > programs over to our clients).  L I think that anyone would need much more information about your current (andL future) needs to make that call.  My first instinctual response is something like "NO!" :)     K Generally the web-browser-as-client-for-real-application thing doesn't work C well.  The interface ends up being terribly counter-intuitive.  The H limitations of a web-browser are difficult to overcome.  Once you try toK overcome them you get pulled into the trap of using javascript (or worse... I plugins, vbscript, etc), and later find out that the implementation isn't K consistent across browsers.  Don't think of even using CSS to get your page  to render more nicely, either!  = > What about those open source languages like Python or TCL,   > etc.?  And of   L I use them all the time.  I'm confident that any one of them could be a goodH replacement for Viral Basic.  Personally, I like TCL for nearly anythingJ that other people would write in visual basic.  I have used it somewhat inH the Real World, to develop small custom applications, and I can tell youJ that the applications are instantly portable across platforms.  (Note thatB by instantly, I mean "change the directory separation character.")  E TCL has specific weakness in its theoretical lack of multidimensional L arrays, and its relatively (compared to C, Modula) unwieldy way of producing binary output.  K You can work around the multidimensional array problem relatively easily by L using numbered one-dimensional arrays.  There is also a list construct whichK may contain nested lists, so if you don't mind addressing a two dimensional I array in the form of "lindex(lindex($List, $Elem),$Elem)" then you can do 
 that as well.   G When you get to about four dimensions of the above, it becomes somewhat  confusing, though.  K Perl and Python are nice.  I haven't done much with Python, myself, though, I so I'll limit my comments to Perl.  I'd say that Perl has nearly the same D benefits of TCL, except that I'm not sure whether you can get a PerlJ interpreter with Tk on windows or MacOS.  (That would mean that you eitherK use text-based interfaces, or re-write the GUI -- on the other hand, it may L be available...)  The strength of Perl over TCL is in text processing and inL the availability of several add-on modules that do everything from calculate Pi to butter your toast.  J There is also a relative newcomer called Ruby.  It most likely has all the; problems of any relative newcomer, but may be worth a look.    > course, what about Java?  H Ahh, yes... what about Java? :)  Java is a good idea, in theory.  It mayF eventually be a decent language.  The pseudo-code format is useful forG portability.  On the other hand, it will put lots of stress on most any K computer.  There are also some things that, IMO, they should have done very  differently with Java.  E But, in trying to be objective, I'll say that if your Java program is L well-constructed, it may serve your needs.  It has some nice object-orientedJ features.  You should expect long development times, though, especially inE the initial stages.  If you write modularly and in an object-oriented H fashion, you can decrease the times later.  There aren't a lot of extrasH added in to Java.  No very good way to do GUI stuff, etc.  I'd also note? that the Sun JDK is very spartan.  Some people don't like that.   K If you're considering Java, I'd highly recommend that you look into Inferno D and Oberon.  They are two very different (from Java, and each other)H languages which offer a lot of the strengths of Java without some of the weaknesses.   K I'm not sure about source-code availability for Inferno.  It used to belong H to Bell Labs, now Lucent.  I believe there is another company selling itB now, but there may be an "open source" type license available too.  H All implementations of Oberon I've seen are completely free with source.J Grab it and try it out.  I'm not sure whether either Inferno or Oberon runI on VMS (I think that Oberon does, at least...), but then, Java doesn't do " very well either from what I hear.  6 > I guess I'd love any real world experiences or even  > philisophical musings.? > (We are still in the philosophical stage... we know it isn't  
 > going to be  > easy to move over).   F Feel free to quiz me about my experiences with any of these languages.K They're mixed, of course, and I have more experience with some than others.    Regards,   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  '       ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:42:22 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>@ Subject: Re: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted@ Message-ID: <20011025164222.35391.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>   The future is :   6 Pocket PC 2002 !!!! Youy should consider in developing5 for this plataforms when the Wireless networks become 2 much more reliable - it is soon. In a few years we" will have cheap Tablet PCs too.=20  6 Forget Palm OS - I've read that Handspring is thinking in turn to Pocket PC.   - Forget the VT terminals ! Naturally obsolete.   3 Forget the "Motif" for end users. But consider "KDE . like" interfaces - much nore user friendly.=205 So wait for the Sharp Zaurus PDA - powered by embeded / Linux + Amiga graphical and develop. libraries.    Regards    F=E1bio Cardoso     ( --- Lou Solomon <lny98@yahoo.com> wrote: > All: >=204 > My (new) manager has given me the task of deciding > what is going to be our 6 > future programming platform.  Currently, we are both > a Windows and VMS shop, 1 > programming in Visual Basic on Windows, and DEC  > Basic on VMS.  Data is4 > stored on either SQL 7.0 DB or RMS files (accessed > from PC's via CONNX odbc > drivers).  >=201 > He is an open source advocate, and would love a  > solution that is reasonably 3 > priced, multiplatform (or at least not locking us  > into one OS, or one client' > platform), powerful (of course), etc.  >=204 > For example: should we go towards a solution where > the client is always a5 > web browser?  (sure makes it easy to have workers @  > home, and to port   > programs over to our clients).4 > What about those open source languages like Python > or TCL, etc.?  And of  > course, what about Java? >=205 > I guess I'd love any real world experiences or even  > philisophical musings.5 > (We are still in the philosophical stage... we know  > it isn't going to be > easy to move over).  >=20 > Thanks in advance. >=20
 > Lou Solomon  >=20 >=20 >=20     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D  F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:54:49 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk@ Subject: RE: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted+ Message-ID: <9r9g4p$19g$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   z In article <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF1170DDC6@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>, Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> writes: >> -----Original Message----- I >All implementations of Oberon I've seen are completely free with source. K >Grab it and try it out.  I'm not sure whether either Inferno or Oberon run J >on VMS (I think that Oberon does, at least...), but then, Java doesn't do# >very well either from what I hear.  >   3 Never used it but OBERON for VMS is available from     http://www.zel.org/aos/   H From the sound of it there is a free evaluation kit (which restricts howM big a system you can build) and hence presumably you have to pay for the full  version.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:38:17 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) 2 Subject: Re: Fwd: Compaq: VMS is alive and kicking7 Message-ID: <914561A5Fwarrenspencer1977@207.126.101.97>   F billtodd@metrocast.net (Bill Todd) wrote in <h4nB7.581993$Lw3.35646268 @news2.aus1.giganews.com>:   > 3 >Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message 4 >news:4ImB7.8554$NP.1134180@news20.bellglobal.com... >>= >> "Warren Spencer" <wspencer@ap.nospam.org> wrote in message 4 >> news:914387B18warrenspencer1977@207.126.101.97.../ >> > kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com (Ken Robinson) wrote in A >> > <5.1.0.14.2.20011022050653.0432eaf0@mail.rbnsn.com> in part:  >> >0 >> > >>http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?154076:1596553 >> > >> > >> > How about this quote: >> >H >> > "But, as Compaq's OpenVMS vice president Mark Gorham explained, theJ >> > company's commitment to the operating system has never been stronger" >> >+ >> > So this is starship OpenVMS at warp 9?  >> >K >> Let's hope it's 9.9 (BTW, OpenVMS on Alpha really seems to be warp speed  >> compared to VAX)  > K >I'm afraid it may have been meant ironically, as in "THIS is as good as it 	 >gets???"  >  >- bill    Bingo    ws --     Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)  The Associated Press  L ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements - neither do I  **   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 00:35:21 -0700' From: roose_chua@yahoo.com (Roose Chua)  Subject: Hanging processes= Message-ID: <127ddcff.0110242335.2817e350@posting.google.com>   B Hi! I would just like to get more information on how to check if aF process is indeed hanging, what tools to use (monitor process, system,F etc) and what to look for (ie. I/O, parameters, etc.) and some tips onD how to handle hanging processes. Is there a site that documents tips on handling hanged process?    Regards,
 Roose Chua	 Accenture   B *Posted messages here are strictly my personal opinion and may not4 reflect the view of the company I am connected with.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:07:58 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Hanging processes2 Message-ID: <yNWB7.961$RL6.10544@news.cpqcorp.net>  g In article <127ddcff.0110242335.2817e350@posting.google.com>, roose_chua@yahoo.com (Roose Chua) writes: C :Hi! I would just like to get more information on how to check if a G :process is indeed hanging, what tools to use (monitor process, system, G :etc) and what to look for (ie. I/O, parameters, etc.) and some tips on E :how to handle hanging processes. Is there a site that documents tips  :on handling hanged process?  I   If you can define what a hanging process is and what it looks like, we  J   can tell you how to determine if a process is hanging.  Quite seriously,K   there is no generic definition of a "hanging process" -- you really need  H   to check with the folks that are supporting the particular package(s) K   involved, or you need to provide us (far) more detail on the process(es).   M   There are certainly unusual process scheduling states -- including various  H   resource waits, swapped-out states, and mutual exclusion (mutex) wait K   states -- that can strongly imply a process is hanging, but that's not a  J   certainty.  In fact, I've seen processes that normally sit in the RWAST J   (resource wait for AST) wait state.  In other cases, RWAST indicates badJ   quotas.  And in others, a process hang.  There are also cases where the J   process doesn't do what it is supposed to do, but obviously there is no F   generic definition available for what any particular application is    "supposed to do".   N   There are a few applications where a "deadman" construct has been included, F   via locks, messages, counters or other approaches -- this construct I   directly involves the programmer(s) and the environment the process is     running in, as well.  H   Put another way, check with the folks that support the software -- youK   clearly appear to have additional details, and these will be of interest  <   to the folks that are supporting the software in question.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 05:02:43 -0700 From: axica@yahoo.com (Safir) - Subject: Re: How to map VMS disk to a PC user = Message-ID: <e85d7983.0110250402.4f2ad140@posting.google.com>   W mergoktas@erdemir.com.tr wrote in message news:<C2256AF0.001AC13C.00@erdemir.com.tr>... = > As far as I know (heard) that a VMS disk can be used trough G > NT or (Win2000). From a Visual basic or VC++ It is possible to access & > to a VMS disk file programaticcally. > C > How can I map a VMS disk/disk file to a Windows user? Using which  > software on either side? > Please help.	 > Thanks.   ( http://www.openvms.compaq.com/pathworks/  B No software needed on the Windows side (use server based licensing8 that is do not start the license server on the VMS side)   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 08:18:02 -07005 From: stuart.symonds@commerzbank.com (Stuart Symonds) - Subject: Re: How to map VMS disk to a PC user = Message-ID: <90d46f26.0110250718.17a19dad@posting.google.com>   W mergoktas@erdemir.com.tr wrote in message news:<C2256AF0.001AC13C.00@erdemir.com.tr>... = > As far as I know (heard) that a VMS disk can be used trough G > NT or (Win2000). From a Visual basic or VC++ It is possible to access & > to a VMS disk file programaticcally. > C > How can I map a VMS disk/disk file to a Windows user? Using which  > software on either side? > Please help.	 > Thanks.    Hi,   E I can think of three ways to do this, all require the installation of   a software product of some kind.  B 1. Pathworks: You could install the Compaq pathworks product, thisF product is fairly expensive but simple to use. It allows windows usersD to map VMS paths and printers without installing additional software
 on the PC.  F 2. NFS: NFS is included with Compaq TCPIP and is also fairly simple toE use once you get your head around proxy access. An NFS client must be 8 installed on the PC where the VMS path is to be mounted.  E 3. Samba: Samba (I think thats how its spelt) is a freeware/shareware E product, it functions in a similair way to pathworks in that no extra C software needs to be installed on the PC. I used it a few years ago C and then it was not very straight forward to use, the configuration E was done by editing configuration files, this may have improved since  then.    Hope this helps.   Stuart.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:59:35 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)- Subject: Re: How to map VMS disk to a PC user 2 Message-ID: <HFWB7.960$RL6.10480@news.cpqcorp.net>  R In article <C2256AF0.001AC13C.00@erdemir.com.tr>, mergoktas@erdemir.com.tr writes: : < :As far as I know (heard) that a VMS disk can be used troughF :NT or (Win2000). From a Visual basic or VC++ It is possible to access% :to a VMS disk file programaticcally.   ;   Well, it wouldn't be of much use otherwise, would it? :-)   B :How can I map a VMS disk/disk file to a Windows user? Using which :software on either side?   G   PATHWORKS (Advanced Server) or SAMBA -- via the SMB protocols and the J   integrated SMB client on the PC, or TCP/IP Services or a third-party IP =   stack -- via the NFS protocols and an NFS client on the PC.   K   You can also install and use the COM product on OpenVMS, and this permits L   the PC and most PC tools to remain ignorant of the presence of an OpenVMS    server in the configuration.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:11:12 +0200 , From: Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fhg.de># Subject: ImageMagick %LINK-I-UDFSYM ) Message-ID: <3BD7E540.2030201@iaf.fhg.de>   5 OpenVMS 7.3, DECwindow/Motif 1.2-6, Compaq C V6.4-008   M We are using ImageMagick 5.3.1 http://www.imagemagick.org for converting and  N displaying images. I updated to the latest version 5.4.0 which has a MAKE.COM  for bulding the tools.  5 Executing MAKE.COM listed a lot of undefined symbols:  Making in [.magick]  Making Magick... Making in [.coders]  Making Coders... Making shareable image& %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 8 undefined symbols:% %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         ISPSEUDOCLASS " %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         LISTCOLORS' %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         MAGICKINCARNATE & %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         SETBLOBQUANTUM% %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         TRANSMITIMAGE # %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         XMAKEPIXMAP % %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         XSELECTWINDOW ( %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         XVISUALCLASSNAME  * Shareable image logical MAGICKSHR defined:K    "MAGICKSHR" = "USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK]magickshr.exe" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  Logical MAGICK defined: B    "MAGICK" = "USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK.MAGICK]" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) Making Display...  Compiling DISPLAY.C ' %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 38 undefined symbols: % %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         AcquireMemory & %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         AllocateString+ %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         CatchImageException # %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         CloneString  ...   ; All these symbols are in MAGICKSHR.OPT defined for example: ' symbol_vector=(ACQUIREMEMORY=procedure)  I'm a C rookie so I need help!  * Did anybody succeed in building the tools?     Regards, --    ; *********************************************************** ; *                                                         * ; *  Theo Jakobus                                           * ; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  * ; *  Tullastr. 72                                           * ; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       * ; *  Germany                                                * ; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           * ; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           * ; *  e-mail:  Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                       * ; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  * ; *                                                         * ; ***********************************************************    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:07:18 +0200 - From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> ' Subject: Re: ImageMagick %LINK-I-UDFSYM 3 Message-ID: <3BD82AA6.3901C530@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>    Theo Jakobus wrote:  > 7 > OpenVMS 7.3, DECwindow/Motif 1.2-6, Compaq C V6.4-008  > N > We are using ImageMagick 5.3.1 http://www.imagemagick.org for converting andO > displaying images. I updated to the latest version 5.4.0 which has a MAKE.COM  > for bulding the tools. > 7 > Executing MAKE.COM listed a lot of undefined symbols:  > Making in [.magick]  > Making Magick... > Making in [.coders]  > Making Coders... > Making shareable image( > %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 8 undefined symbols:' > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         ISPSEUDOCLASS $ > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         LISTCOLORS) > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         MAGICKINCARNATE ( > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         SETBLOBQUANTUM' > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         TRANSMITIMAGE % > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         XMAKEPIXMAP ' > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         XSELECTWINDOW * > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         XVISUALCLASSNAME > , > Shareable image logical MAGICKSHR defined:M >    "MAGICKSHR" = "USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK]magickshr.exe" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  > Logical MAGICK defined: D >    "MAGICK" = "USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK.MAGICK]" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) > Making Display...  > Compiling DISPLAY.C ) > %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 38 undefined symbols: ' > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         AcquireMemory ( > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         AllocateString- > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         CatchImageException % > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         CloneString  > ...  > = > All these symbols are in MAGICKSHR.OPT defined for example: ) > symbol_vector=(ACQUIREMEMORY=procedure)   > I'm a C rookie so I need help! > , > Did anybody succeed in building the tools?E The problem with the Imagemagick-people is that nobody is testing the F new releases on OpenVMS. I have not checked the 5.4 release, but I had> to mke a few changes to the 5.3.9 distribution. Especially theB MAGICKSHR.OPT file is never updated with the new externals/and old% omitted externals -> the 8 undefined. H linking display.c goes wrong because the imagemack -people only includedC half of my patches last time : the magickshr.opt file is still case  insensitive. I'll have a look at 5.4 later.                   Jouk   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:46:22 +0200 , From: Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fhg.de>' Subject: Re: ImageMagick %LINK-I-UDFSYM ) Message-ID: <3BD817AE.6030605@iaf.fhg.de>    Jouk Jansen wrote:   > Theo Jakobus wrote:  > 7 >>OpenVMS 7.3, DECwindow/Motif 1.2-6, Compaq C V6.4-008  >>N >>We are using ImageMagick 5.3.1 http://www.imagemagick.org for converting andO >>displaying images. I updated to the latest version 5.4.0 which has a MAKE.COM  >>for bulding the tools. >>7 >>Executing MAKE.COM listed a lot of undefined symbols:  >>Making in [.magick]  >>Making Magick... >>Making in [.coders]  >>Making Coders... >>Making shareable image( >>%LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 8 undefined symbols:' >>%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         ISPSEUDOCLASS $ >>%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         LISTCOLORS) >>%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         MAGICKINCARNATE ( >>%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         SETBLOBQUANTUM' >>%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         TRANSMITIMAGE % >>%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         XMAKEPIXMAP ' >>%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         XSELECTWINDOW * >>%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         XVISUALCLASSNAME >>, >>Shareable image logical MAGICKSHR defined:M >>   "MAGICKSHR" = "USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK]magickshr.exe" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  >>Logical MAGICK defined: D >>   "MAGICK" = "USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK.MAGICK]" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) >>Making Display...  >>Compiling DISPLAY.C ) >>%LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 38 undefined symbols: ' >>%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         AcquireMemory ( >>%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         AllocateString- >>%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         CatchImageException % >>%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         CloneString  >>...  >>= >>All these symbols are in MAGICKSHR.OPT defined for example: ) >>symbol_vector=(ACQUIREMEMORY=procedure)   >>I'm a C rookie so I need help! >>, >>Did anybody succeed in building the tools? >>G > The problem with the Imagemagick-people is that nobody is testing the H > new releases on OpenVMS. I have not checked the 5.4 release, but I had@ > to mke a few changes to the 5.3.9 distribution. Especially theD > MAGICKSHR.OPT file is never updated with the new externals/and old' > omitted externals -> the 8 undefined. J > linking display.c goes wrong because the imagemack -people only includedE > half of my patches last time : the magickshr.opt file is still case  > insensitive.  > I'll have a look at 5.4 later. >  >                 Jouk >  Hi Jouk!    M I changed some definitions and the path to true type font library in MAKE.COM   F $! 24-OCT link/share/exe=magickshr.exe   [.magick]libMagick.olb/lib, -( $! 24-OCT [-.coders]libCoders.olb/lib, -R $! 24-OCT $disk2:[joukj.public.freetype.freetype.freetype2.lib]freetype.olb/lib, - $! 24-OCT  []magickshr.opt/optA $    link/share/exe=magickshr.exe   [.magick]libMagick.olb/lib, - '           [.coders]libCoders.olb/lib, - :           USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK.TTF]LIBTTF.OLB_AXP/lib, -           []magickshr.opt/opt 6 $ library/create/share/log magickshr.olb magickshr.exe! $    set file/trunc magickshr.olb  $    purge magickshr.olb1 $! 24-OCT  link_libraries := [-]magickshr.olb/lib ? $    link_libraries := USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK]magickshr.olb/lib C $    define/nolog magickshr 'f$environment("default")'magickshr.exe B $    write sys$output "Shareable image logical MAGICKSHR defined:" $    show logical magickshr  $ else5 $    link_libraries := [-.magick]libMagick.olb/lib, -     [-.coders]libCoders.olb/lib $ endif " $! 24-OCT define magick [-.magick]= $ define magick USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK.MAGICK]  ! 24-OCT-2001 = $    write sys$output "Logical MAGICK defined:" ! 24-OCT-2001 = $    show logical magick                        ! 24-OCT-2001  $ set def [.utilities]     Regards, --    ; *********************************************************** ; *                                                         * ; *  Theo Jakobus                                           * ; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  * ; *  Tullastr. 72                                           * ; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       * ; *  Germany                                                * ; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           * ; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           * ; *  e-mail:  Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                       * ; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  * ; *                                                         * ; ***********************************************************    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:12:31 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)' Subject: Re: ImageMagick %LINK-I-UDFSYM 2 Message-ID: <PRWB7.962$RL6.10398@news.cpqcorp.net>  X In article <3BD7E540.2030201@iaf.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> writes:6 :OpenVMS 7.3, DECwindow/Motif 1.2-6, Compaq C V6.4-008 : N :We are using ImageMagick 5.3.1 http://www.imagemagick.org for converting and O :displaying images. I updated to the latest version 5.4.0 which has a MAKE.COM   :for bulding the tools.  .. :Making Display... :Compiling DISPLAY.C( :%LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 38 undefined symbols:& :%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         AcquireMemory' :%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         AllocateString , :%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         CatchImageException$ :%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         CloneString :... : < :All these symbols are in MAGICKSHR.OPT defined for example:( :symbol_vector=(ACQUIREMEMORY=procedure) ..+ :Did anybody succeed in building the tools?   J   The folks that did the port missed something...  I'm *guessing* this is K   symbol casing -- C is case-sensitive, but (by default) the LINKER is not. *   There is a names as-is mechanism around.  J   I succeeded in building 3.8.2 for the Freeware V5.0 kit, you might look    there for some clues.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 10:46:12 -0700' From: SROMERO@CAIXAPENEDES.COM (SANDRA) 8 Subject: KNOW WHEN A SUBMIT JOB IS FINISHED RETURN VALUE= Message-ID: <2efbec60.0110250946.54578391@posting.google.com>    Hi,   F I would like to know if there is some way to get a return value when a% submitted job is finished and use it. ! I work with VMS and DCL language.  Thanks a Lot,    petonets a tots  
 Sandriqui.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:56:50 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)4 Subject: Re: MAIL utility (was: Re: Can u help me ?)2 Message-ID: <CnYB7.966$RL6.10582@news.cpqcorp.net>  P In article <011025094554.c686@ALMARK.LAMAR.EDU>, pius_s@ALMARK.LAMAR.EDU writes:  A   Please use titles that are appropriate to the question.  Use of C   generic titles implies spam, and further, this use also tends to  C   not attract the attention of the folks that might know the answer C   to the question.  Put another way, the use of a generic title for >   your posting means it is less likely you will get an answer.  @   When posting, please include the OpenVMS version and any other?   relevent information -- background on the information that is >   often required is listed in the introductory sections of the=   OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) document.  Thanks!   B   (The goal here is to help you get answer(s) to your question(s),>   and quickly -- this is not intended to be taken personally.)  K :Can you tell me how i can get a list of the date and time of all my mails  L :in mmy mail folder in my VMS VAX login account. Can i also get the list of 3 :date and time of all mails from a particular user.   C   There are no standard components that list across folders, but it E   is easy to create some DCL to do this.  If you do not have a number A   of folders, it may be simplest to select and process individual 
   folders.  #   Here is a simple example of this:    $ @x.x/out=z.z  /   Here is the referenced DCL command procedure:    $! x.x $ mail select mail  direct/from=hoffman  $ exit $     C   There are Freeware tools around that directly access MAIL files,  
   as well.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:09:15 -0600 4 From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam>% Subject: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS 0 Message-ID: <LOWB7.458$Mw.95212@news.uswest.net>  G How can I attach a file to a VMS generated SMTP Mail Message?  The file 0 needs to appear as an attachement in MS-Outlook.   -- Thanks, 
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 18:19:09 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)) Subject: Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS ( Message-ID: <3bd83b7d@news.kapsch.co.at>  g In article <LOWB7.458$Mw.95212@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> writes: H >How can I attach a file to a VMS generated SMTP Mail Message?  The file1 >needs to appear as an attachement in MS-Outlook.   ? With MX you can do MAIL>SEND/FOREIGN/NOEDIT file-to-send.binary ? Without MX, check the MIME utility of more recent VMS versions.    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:02:02 +0200 = From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com> ) Subject: Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS ) Message-ID: <3BD8458A.BA4D5502@dummy.com>   5 One way, using MPACK and NBL (sending a ZIP file that * is shown as an "attachement" in outlook) :  . $ mpack -s "ZIP file" -o tmp.mime tr000420.zip% $ mail tmp.mime "nbl%""user@domain"""    MPACK can be found at : : http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/mpack15/   NBL can be found at : ( http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/nbl/   Regards  Jan-Erik Sderholm   "Michael D. Ober" wrote: > I > How can I attach a file to a VMS generated SMTP Mail Message?  The file 2 > needs to appear as an attachement in MS-Outlook. >  > --	 > Thanks,  > Mike Ober.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:05:37 -0500 ( From: David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com>7 Subject: Minicopy handling of removed shadow set member 8 Message-ID: <0rdgttgijmf2e93gognul2fqkjk9ib5r7h@4ax.com>  A Hi, we are looking at some opportunities provided by the minicopy  functionality in 7.3.   J Someone asked what would happen if we removed a member from the shadow setM with a write bitmap.  The mounted and modified the removed member. Then added M it back in.  My answer was that we would (at best) have a corrupted member of N the shadow set because the bitmap wouldn't be aware of the changes made to theD removed member.  At worst, I could see the whole shadow set becoming
 corrupted.  K So my questions: Is my understanding correct? and Is there something in the N minicopy code that would prevent someone from adding the modified member back?   Thanks,    Dave Harrold      N ..............................................................................N David Harrold                                 E-Mail: David_Harrold@aurora.orgM Sr. Software Systems Engineer                  Phone:          (414) 647-6204 M                                                Pager:          (414) 941-4634 M Aurora Health Care                               Fax:          (414) 647-4999  3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 11:48:46 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ; Subject: Re: Minicopy handling of removed shadow set member 3 Message-ID: <yux3K$xiozQu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <0rdgttgijmf2e93gognul2fqkjk9ib5r7h@4ax.com>, David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com> writes: C > Hi, we are looking at some opportunities provided by the minicopy  > functionality in 7.3.  > L > Someone asked what would happen if we removed a member from the shadow setO > with a write bitmap.  The mounted and modified the removed member. Then added O > it back in.  My answer was that we would (at best) have a corrupted member of P > the shadow set because the bitmap wouldn't be aware of the changes made to theF > removed member.  At worst, I could see the whole shadow set becoming > corrupted. > M > So my questions: Is my understanding correct? and Is there something in the P > minicopy code that would prevent someone from adding the modified member back? >   A 	You asked earlier about controller mirror copies... more on that  	below.   @ 	Regarding WBM and shadowing... Since you have 7.3 , I'll assume= 	you have a copy of the Volume Shadowing docs.  They help and = 	also if I misspeak or get it wrong you could check it out at  	the source.  > 	When you dismount a shadow member and mount it privately, you$ 	will notice it mounts it read only:   $ MOUNT/OVER=ID $2$DUA100:M %MOUNT-W-VOLSHDWMEM, mounting a shadow set member volume; volume write locked 7 %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, LABEL2 mounted on _$2$DUA100: (HSx44)    	To modify, you would:  $ 	$ MOUNT/OVER=SHAD $2$DUA100: LABEL2  C 	Now you can write to it.  But by doing that, you change generation F 	number on that disk such that VolShad behind knows to do a full copy 2 	when re-added, it bypasses all that bitmap stuff.  G 	To be on the super safe side, you could leave off the /POLICY=MINICOPY @ 	when re-adding (but I don't believe that is necessary but can'tC 	speak from experience and haven't taken the time to check it out).   F 	You mentioned read-only earlier.  Mounting it privately with /over=idG 	is the way to go.  As you realize , this is far superior to controller = 	copies as you only have to copy back the blocks that changed F 	via the WBM and not the entire mirror copied at the controller level.5 	(i.e. DISMOUNT/POLICY=MINICOPY to enable WBM build).   @ > At worst, I could see the whole shadow set becoming corrupted.  ? 	How exactly do you see that happening?  No offense, but please 4 	spend a few hours with the Volume Shadowing manual.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:12:42 -0500 ( From: David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com>; Subject: Re: Minicopy handling of removed shadow set member 8 Message-ID: <tohgttc50juulkjn11hthb3ccrre41dv27@4ax.com>  K On 25 Oct 2001 11:48:46 -0500, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote:   d >In article <0rdgttgijmf2e93gognul2fqkjk9ib5r7h@4ax.com>, David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com> writes: >    [snip]  A >> At worst, I could see the whole shadow set becoming corrupted.  > @ >	How exactly do you see that happening?  No offense, but please5 >	spend a few hours with the Volume Shadowing manual.  > F    By not thinking it through before I posted the question.... :-)  MyL thinking was that if a member was re-added, the minicopy would just add copyM the changed blocks, then something would happen that would force a merge with L the re-added volume as the master.  (For some undefined value of something.)  H I does help if you think through the whole process rather than depend on someone else's assumptions.    >				Rob   Thanks,    Dave Harrold    N ..............................................................................N David Harrold                              E-Mail: David_Harrold at aurora.orgI Sr. Software Systems Engineer              Phone:          (414) 647-6204 I                                            Pager:          (414) 941-4634 G Aurora Health Care                         Fax:          (414) 647-4999  3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:44:37 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged) Message-ID: <3BD7D0F5.7FC3BD48@127.0.0.1>    Paul Sture wrote:  > N > In article <rdeininger-2410011412160001@user-2ive7ih.dialup.mindspring.com>, > Robert Deininger wrote: 7 > > In article <3BD6EF4A.962E8C6E@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews # > > <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:  > > . > > > http://www.python.demon.co.uk/annoy.html > > M > > That one is also invisible when viewd with Cyberdog 2.0.  It's not (just)  > > a Netscape problem.  > >  > Also with Konqueror 2.1.1.  G For the curious this is a black text on a black background page. If you C have overridden this, or using a browser that does not observe font G colours and or background colours, you can read it. It is not a problem F its exploiting a feature. VIEW SOURCE will show you the page. LYNX has no problem!      > 2 > > > http://www.python.demon.co.uk/annoymore.html > > M > > For some reason, Cyberdog, which _is_ frames enabled, has no problem with  > > this page. > >  >   > Konqueror is defeated by this.  H Interesting. However the implementation of frames is not absolute acrossH all browsers, I must seek out Cyberdog. The text I want you to see is inG the NOFRAMES section, The frames are a mock up of what I often see in a B LYNX display, I see FRAME1, FRAME2 ... (or whatever they have beenF titled) and "Sorry you need a frames enabled browser, please "upgrade" to ..."    S > > (Just reminding folks that some useful software is even less popular than VMS.)   E A nice freeware/GNU graphics package I'd like to see under VMS is the D GIMP. Supports X and windows, so maybe a few VMS .H files and a nice build procedure?   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:52:56 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged) Message-ID: <3BD7D2E8.80F6A70C@127.0.0.1>    Tim Llewellyn wrote:4 > Larry, if Javascript bothers you that badly surely@ > you can set up a noprivs VMS account with access to nothing ofE > any value and use that for web-browing? Make it a DECNet object and F > you could activate it easily. OK, you have to give it access to yourA > X display. Is that too insecure for you? Anyone seen an x event  > snooper in Javascript?   Tim,  G The main issue I have is that the code can be used maliciously, opening G windows you didn't ask for in paticular, taking you to places you don't @ want to go. Fortunately I've not seen many, if any cases in this= newsgroup, but in others, woof, you're off, courtesy of Java. G I was reading one site, and wondering why the heck my system had slowed E so much, and a silly little window had opened up, drawing 99% of CPU, F worst was it was under my browser window, and I didn't spot it until I decided to investigate.   E (OK I know you can distinguish between web site and mail/news java in " Netscape, but thats not the point)  A I'm not grumbling at you Tim, I guess you've been lucky not to be 	 affected.  --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:09:25 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged) Message-ID: <3BD7D6C5.C026837F@127.0.0.1>    Tim Llewellyn wrote:  I > > I've used probably every pointy clicky crappy system there is, and an K > > odd one or two under VMS appallingly designed, but Pursuit puts them to 
 > > shame. > F > My life is so much better now I don't have to deal with Quetzal :-).  < Not heard of that one, want to hang it in the hall of shame?    I > > Designed for ONE HANDED OPERATION (cos your other hand is holding the  > > phone).  > > F > OK, but a headset is better anyway if you are taking a lot of calls.  G Yes I have a headset, partly due to the number of conference calls, but F in the early days, headsets weren't the norm when it was designed, youH could use the PF keys and functions keys for some very useful navigationG and field filling. It also hotkeyed into a SPAWNED session (days before E multisession terminals) and it did not lose context as you drilled up  and down for information.   F Headsets are health and safety anyway, they pretty much insist here we0 do not balance the handset between neck and ear.   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 06:17:06 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged3 Message-ID: <rnrSOfY8shG2@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3BD77559.3060806@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:   I > You have to ask the basic question, what is the purpose of a web site?  0 > For the most part the answer is communication.  E Sometimes the answer seems to be "resume building", and that accounts H for people throwing in every different hazard to security they can find.E They want to be able to say they have designed with Java, JavaScript,  Flash and Windows Media Player.   J This akin to the people who got their first Postscript printer and decidedI to use all 39 fonts in a single document.  The best criticism I have seen 9 of such "designs" is that they "look like a ransom note".    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:01:38 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged( Message-ID: <3BD7FF22.78B1107@127.0.0.1>   David Froble wrote:  >    H > You have to ask the basic question, what is the purpose of a web site?I > For the most part the answer is communication.  You want to communicate = > with people, and usually, the more the better.  When it's a 0 > vendor/customer thing, quantity is everything.   Dave,   @ I used this question when designing my web site. I'm not sellingF anything, I've never made any money out of it. It is not flashy, but I' designed it with accessibility in mind.   G My web site allows you to look around the town and area I live (Bolton, H UK), a sort of informational catalogue of all my photos, designed to aidH research, and allowing folks to download pictures that mean much to them personally.   D Looking at it, I've never 'won' any accolades or awards, or best webH sites, but the navigation is by text labels, no frames, minimum graphicsG for speed and bandwidth considerations. I'm not saying mine is the best F web site ever designed, but I think it's a damn sight better than some' I've used that have received web gongs.   H If you're curious (not really a plug) put a www before the hometown, and# an ORG between the town and the UK.  --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:16:58 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>  Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged" Message-ID: <3bd810c9@news.si.com>  & >Check it out http://www.marval.co.uk/  C I tried.  All I get is a blank browser window on a secured browser.  --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:22:36 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>  Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged$ Message-ID: <3bd8121b$1@news.si.com>  & >Check it out http://www.marval.co.uk/  : That page simply points at http://www.marvel.nl/master.htm  J (It took me three different browsers before I found one that could displayG that page so I could learn this information, and that browser compained  about bad javascript.  --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:01:02 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>  Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged< Message-ID: <howard-F2139F.09010225102001@enews.newsguy.com>  M In article <3BD7D0F5.7FC3BD48@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>   wrote:  J > Interesting. However the implementation of frames is not absolute acrossJ > all browsers, I must seek out Cyberdog. The text I want you to see is in  O Good luck.  You'll need a Macintosh that runs MacOS 7.x, where I'm not exactly  ; certain about the value of X, but it's probably around "5".  --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 08:56:36 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged3 Message-ID: <lqVdvvW7QQ3G@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <howard-F2139F.09010225102001@enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> writes:O > In article <3BD7D0F5.7FC3BD48@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>   > wrote: > K >> Interesting. However the implementation of frames is not absolute across K >> all browsers, I must seek out Cyberdog. The text I want you to see is in  > Q > Good luck.  You'll need a Macintosh that runs MacOS 7.x, where I'm not exactly  = > certain about the value of X, but it's probably around "5".   ) Cyberdog also works on MacOS 8.0 and 8.1.    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 08:59:08 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged3 Message-ID: <0vIxugaqMVps@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <3BD7FF22.78B1107@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:   I > My web site allows you to look around the town and area I live (Bolton, J > UK), a sort of informational catalogue of all my photos, designed to aidJ > research, and allowing folks to download pictures that mean much to them
 > personally.   J > If you're curious (not really a plug) put a www before the hometown, and% > an ORG between the town and the UK.   < The main page displays quite fine for me (and quickly, too).  I Perhaps we could correct that by sending a Microsoft sales representative  in your direction :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:41:45 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Mitnick UncagedL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2510011141460001@user-2ive7j3.dialup.mindspring.com>  E In article <howard-F2139F.09010225102001@enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S  Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:   O > In article <3BD7D0F5.7FC3BD48@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>   > wrote: > L > > Interesting. However the implementation of frames is not absolute acrossL > > all browsers, I must seek out Cyberdog. The text I want you to see is in > H > Good luck.  You'll need a Macintosh that runs MacOS 7.x, where I'm not exactly = > certain about the value of X, but it's probably around "5".   I Cyberdog runs up to at least MacOS 8.5.1.  I haven't tried later versions  due to hardware issues.   H Apple murdered Cyberdog (along with all the OpenDoc stuff) about 3 years ago during a Great Purge.    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:35:29 -0400 ) From: "Mike Foley" <mikiefoley@yahoo.com> $ Subject: Re: OpenVMS on API's CS20 ?/ Message-ID: <ttgj7ir8ssqs75@corp.supernews.com>   G <sms@antinode.org> wrote in message news:01091110350631@antinode.org... ' > From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> C > > I see it doesn't even support Tru64 however in the specs is the  > > following:	 > > [...]  > I >    Back before the latest Alpha disruption, my employer (that is, I, at ; > work) was looking at porting our primary application from I > Solaris/UltraSPARC to something/Alpha, and did some research on the API G > CS20.  Mr. Tom Morris of API told me that "Although Tru64 runs on the - > CS20, it isn't officially supported today."   I     The reasons for that are long and drawn out. First, Tru64 is a Compaq  product.L     If you called Compaq with a support question on Tru64 running on a CS20, you'd I     hear silence, followed by "What the hell is that?" Compaq doesn't, or  didn't, license J     Tru64 on the CS20 platform. Therefore, qualification work was not done with the5     CS20 and Tru64 other than "lets see if it boots".   K     As for VMS running on it, see the same story above. Also, even tho it's 	 an Alpha, J     you still have to make sure the supporting chipsets work on the OS you are L     planning to use. Is there support for the ALi southbridge the CS20 uses? It's differentK     than the southbridge used on the UP2000+, which is really what the CS20 	 was based      on.   L     The point is pretty moot by now. API is out of the Alpha server business	 and those G     of us that were there supporting Alpha-based servers are now out of  work.      mikeD                                                     former technical marketing engineer at API E                                                     and former system " manager in the VMS group ('89-'92)E                                                     now an unemployed  student    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:14:00 -0400 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>5 Subject: Re: Optimizing indexed file while adding key * Message-ID: <3BD81018.C9887430@oracle.com>  2 for such a tiny file, I'd think that the suggested4 sequence makes the most sense.  do the optimize pass2 first and then add the secondary keys.  if the new0 keys are 'similar' (in unique cardinality of key7 values and size of key), then you probably would expect 2 to have similar bucket sizes for the new keys.  Of6 course, if the keys are much different in size or have3 vastly different data characteristics (like lots of 1 duplicates), then the shape of the resultant tree  may well be different.  1 Adding more keys will have little or no impact on 6 retrieval performance.  And, of course, if the calling6 application doesn't use the keys then there will be no advantage at all.     7 When you do the convert, make sure to use /FAST /NOSORT 5 on the convert command.  And convert from one disk to 7 another with other disks for the sort work files if you 6 want to make it as quick as possible to do the convert
 operation.  8 Finally, consider if global buffers make sense.  If they9 do, consider using enough to be able the cache the entire  index tree(s).   Ryan Moore wrote:  > & > On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, JF Mezei wrote:Q > > I have a large indexed file (60,000 records) with a single key. I want to add  > > 2 more keys to it. > > E > > The file is stable (no changes, no additions). But access time is  > > fairly important.  > G > I was under the impression that adding more keys only really effected L > speed of additions and removals of new records.  Especially when there areJ > many duplicate values in the secondary keys.  So I wouldn't think addingO > more keys would make a big difference on speed of lookups on the primary key.  > L > BTW, are you going to have an issue with lots on duplicates in one or bothL > of the secondary keys?  That could seriously effect performance looking up@ > by one of the secondary keys.  Make sure to use 'NULL keys' if > appropriate. > Q > > I know how I can use ANA/RMS/STAT and then used edit/FDL to optimize the file P > > and then convert it to the better FDL. And I know how to use EDIT/FDL to addG > > keys and then use convert to create the indices for those new keys.  > > O > > However, considering the size of the file, I am curious whether it would be N > > possible to do both the optimisation and the adding of the new keys with a > > single convert ? >  > Should be possible.  > P > > Does the code in edit/fdl use the output of ANA/RMS/STAT  when I add keys  ? > F > I doubt it, unless you use the 'OPTIMIZE' script... that's my guess. > M > > Or is the only way to first add the keys, convert the file, then ana/rms, + > > optimize the fdl and covernt it again ?  > D > Well, the EDIT/FDL optimize I believe only looks at the stats from > ANA/RMS/STAT.  > D > So what I would do is to first do an optimize FDL operation on theK > current file stats with one key.  Then do the 'add keys' operation on the H > optimized FDL.  Then do a convert on the existing file to this new FDL& > after optimization and the new keys. > F > At least that's what makes sense to me.  No need to do two converts. > I > Or maybe if you are really concerned you do all of the above operations K > and then do another optimize + convert pass.  But I doubt it would make a  > big difference.  >  > -Ryan    --  > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 04:00:05 -0700+ From: nilakantan_m@hotmail.com (Nilakantan)  Subject: Renamed file = Message-ID: <f660c23e.0110250300.1a3ae63f@posting.google.com>    Hi,   E Is there any system service which will help me to identify if a given E file has been renamed once since it was created initially .I am using  OpenVMS 7.2-1.   Thanks for time and help, 
 Best Regards, 
 Nilakantan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:47:58 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Renamed file ) Message-ID: <3BD7FBEE.858C12AE@127.0.0.1>    Nilakantan wrote: G > Is there any system service which will help me to identify if a given G > file has been renamed once since it was created initially .I am using  > OpenVMS 7.2-1.  ) Largely version independent in this case.   D No not really a system service. When a file is renamed, the MODIFIEDC date/time field alters, but this also changes for directory related G renames, and there are privileged tools (and non priv) that you can use H to change the dates anway, so it's not a reliable method. Strictly it is@ not the file, but its entry in the parent directory that changes  F EDT for example allows you to *EX newfilename.ext leaving the originalA file and a copy under the new name. Would that give you cause for  concern?  H You're not really clear what you're trying to achieve, but you could setH up system audits (ACL's) and although I have not had cause to do it (ie.D I'm guessing) but I think if you audit the SUCCESSful use of CONTROLF access to a file, you could at least audit the change, then either useF the ANALYSE/AUDIT facility, or write a program to read the audit file.  : You may have to filter out 'noise' from the audits though.  & Hope this has helped in some small way --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2001 14:57:45 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) 5 Subject: Study: H-P & Gateway To Be Forced Out of PCs ' Message-ID: <9r9999$3nd$1@joe.rice.edu> + Keywords: study,hp,gateway,exit,pc,business   @ Carly might want to rethink any plans to become a Wintel-centric
 company...   From:   '    http://www.msnbc.com/news/647189.asp '    No tech rebound seen until late 2002      "By Jane Weaver     MSNBC  F    Oct. 24 -  The slump in technology spending is expected to continueG    until the third quarter of 2002, leading to further consolidation in ?    the computer hardware business, according to a report issued B    Wednesday. But the "Webification" of corporate businesses, $300F    computers and increased penetration of high-speed Internet services3    are bright spots in an otherwise gloomy outlook.   F           Recovery will begin to kick in by 2003 with sales increasingI    9.7 percent over 2002, although double-digit growth won't resume until      2004, according to Forrester.  ?           The continued softness in IT spending will accelerate F    consolidation in the hardware business, said Forrester analyst John    McCarthy.  G           "The PC space will come under increasing attack," due in part ;    to downward pressure on hardware manufacturers, he said.   C           Low-cost players like Dell Computer and Acer will be left G    standing while struggling companies like Hewlett-Packard and Gateway 2    will get out of the business, McCarthy said..."  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:48:06 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>9 Subject: Re: Study: H-P & Gateway To Be Forced Out of PCs @ Message-ID: <20011025164806.80465.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com>   Strange ....  + HP dont have much PC penetration in Brazil. 6 Here there are Compaq, Dell, IBM (sh*t machines) and a3 few brazilian companies and the full monopoly of no + branded machines (hardware made in Taiwan).   & Gateway or Micron are not here.....=20  4 What looks like form me is "HP" is not a PC company.4 They are much more commited to the servers (HPUX/NT) printer, and services...  6 Compaq is a PC company, 1/2 commited to the servers or6 and 1/10 commited to the services (prefer dont comment until July, 2002).   Regards    FC=20   . --- Jerry Leslie <leslie@clio.rice.edu> wrote:3 > Carly might want to rethink any plans to become a  > Wintel-centric > company... >=20 > From:  >=20) >    http://www.msnbc.com/news/647189.asp ) >    No tech rebound seen until late 2002  >=20 >   "By Jane Weaver 
 >    MSNBC >=203 >    Oct. 24 -  The slump in technology spending is  > expected to continue0 >    until the third quarter of 2002, leading to > further consolidation in3 >    the computer hardware business, according to a  > report issued 3 >    Wednesday. But the "Webification" of corporate  > businesses, $3006 >    computers and increased penetration of high-speed > Internet services 5 >    are bright spots in an otherwise gloomy outlook.  >=202 >           Recovery will begin to kick in by 2003 > with sales increasing 1 >    9.7 percent over 2002, although double-digit  > growth won't resume until " >    2004, according to Forrester. >=206 >           The continued softness in IT spending will > accelerate1 >    consolidation in the hardware business, said  > Forrester analyst John >    McCarthy. >=204 >           "The PC space will come under increasing > attack," due in part4 >    to downward pressure on hardware manufacturers,
 > he said. >=203 >           Low-cost players like Dell Computer and  > Acer will be left - >    standing while struggling companies like  > Hewlett-Packard and Gateway 4 >    will get out of the business, McCarthy said..." >=206 > --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D  F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:34:51 GMT 8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)* Subject: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM2 Message-ID: <%xUB7.951$RL6.10319@news.cpqcorp.net>  2     This information applies ONLY to OpenVMS V7.3.(     It applies to OpenVMS Alpha and VAX.<     It does not apply to any V7.2, V7.2-* or prior versions./     Versions beyond V7.3 will contain this fix.   4     ------------------------------------------------; N.B. This information is provided on a "best effort" basis. ? It has not completed engineering review in OpenVMS engineering. = You are solely responsible for determining the applicability   to your system. 4     ------------------------------------------------    B A while back somebody posted that they had noticed a sign error in@ SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM.  I acknowledged this and saidD that it had been fixed, and that the fix was in the remedial stream.A This was correct, but today (25-OCt-2001) it came to my attention ; that this fix has never been made available to customers.   3 The work to make this available is now in progress.      B Unfortunately, in the USA we change from Daylight to Standard timeB this coming weekend; it is unlikely that the fix will be published) in time.  I apologize for this situation.    WHAT TO DO?   D If you are not running OpenVMS V7.3, you do not need to do anything.  ? If you do not use SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM, you do not  need to do anything.  C If you do use SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM, modify it as shown  below before using it.  @ Look for these lines, starting at approximately line number 260,* and change the sign for TIME$ADJ as shown.       $!/     $!  Set the new TDF and the time adjustment      $   if dst$std .eqs. "D"     $   then%     $       new$tdf = new$tdf + 60    7     $       time$adj = -60  <---------- make this "+60" 
     $   endif      $   if dst$std .eqs. "S"     $   then"     $       new$tdf = new$tdf - 606     $       time$adj = 60 <----------- Make this "-60"
     $   endif      $!  C If you modify SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM take care to ensure D that the modified version is placed in SYS$COMMON, not SYS$SPECIFIC.C This can be done by using an EDIT command similar to the following:   J     $  EDIT SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON.SYSHLP.EXAMPLES]DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM    C NOTE: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM was completely rewritten in E OpenVMS V7.3.  The V7.3 version of SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM  D is not compatible with prior versions of OpenVMS.  DO NOT attempt toH make the changes shown above for any version of OpenVMS other than V7.3.   --  K     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 08:11:32 -0500 From: FunnyBlonde35@aol.com ' Subject: The best thing on the internet 9 Message-ID: <iss.5eb0.3bd80efe.29fb3.1@mx2.west.saic.com>   D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------B (This safeguard is not inserted when using the registered version)D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------6 Goto http://bigstuff.devil.ru this has got the be the  coolest thing on the internet ; since the credit card if you want removed from the mailing   list send a email to; fromyourhouse@home.com they will take you off rite away no   problems trust me this8 will change your luck i promise your buddy FunnyBlonde35  D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------B (This safeguard is not inserted when using the registered version)D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------D --------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:29:05 -0400 < From: <Ten.Most.Trusted.Companys@scooby.microwebhosting.net># Subject: Top Ten Internet  Business B Message-ID: <200110251529.f9PFT5X03404@scooby.microwebhosting.net>   <html><head><title>Untitled Document</title><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Compaq knows they need |>    applications.  |>    C And some of us are actively trying to do something about it, too!!!    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2001 08:07:28 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: [MOZILLA] Burner of CPU time!!!3 Message-ID: <+bLq38epAgw8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3BD7220D.560A5CBF@theblakes.com>, Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes:  > Bob Koehler wrote: > F >>    In the meantime, how about if we can tune the loop to our needs?0 >>    Some of us are still running 175Mhx 21064. > _ > Try it. That's why the logicals are there. Just define them in your LOGIN.COM or whatever....   ;    Didn't see any docs on this.  What did I forget to read?    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.594 ************************