1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 26 Oct 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 596       Contents:3 Re: assaults on web servers - multinet IP filtering 3 Re: assaults on web servers - multinet IP filtering 3 Re: assaults on web servers - multinet IP filtering 3 Re: assaults on web servers - multinet IP filtering / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld / Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld 5 Re: automatic interpretation of UUencoded mail bodies 5 Re: automatic interpretation of UUencoded mail bodies  Re: Backup tape-label problem  RE: BMQ on Itanium RE: BMQ on Itanium, Re: CLD & error handling from within program, Re: CLD & error handling from within program% Compaq putting  OpenVMS on Charon-VAX ) Re: Compaq putting  OpenVMS on Charon-VAX ! Re: Delta time between two date's ! Re: Delta time between two date's ! Re: Delta time between two date's 2 Re: Errors on RTA-ports in OpenVms version 5.5-2 ?2 Re: Errors on RTA-ports in OpenVms version 5.5-2 ?2 Re: Errors on RTA-ports in OpenVms version 5.5-2 ?7 Re: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted 7 Re: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted 7 Re: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted 7 RE: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted 7 Re: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted  Re: ImageMagick %LINK-I-UDFSYM Re: ImageMagick %LINK-I-UDFSYM Mandatory access control  Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS  Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS  Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS  Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS  Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS  Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS OpenVMS startup log file?  Re: OpenVMS startup log file?  Re: OpenVMS startup log file? = Re: PC164, OVMS7.2, isacfg and graphic cards (MACH64, S3 968)  please reply if you see this" Promotion at Channel Support Group Shipping of computer parts3 SHOCK, HORROR, VMS & TRU64 STAFF RUSHED TO HOSPITAL 7 Re: SHOCK, HORROR, VMS & TRU64 STAFF RUSHED TO HOSPITAL 7 Re: SHOCK, HORROR, VMS & TRU64 STAFF RUSHED TO HOSPITAL 7 Re: SHOCK, HORROR, VMS & TRU64 STAFF RUSHED TO HOSPITAL & Re: SMTP and POP vms 7.3 and tcpip 5.1B SMTP mail terminates, 'Fatal error signalled', 'leaving as orphan'- Re: Spiralog (was Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL) - Re: Spiralog (was Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL) - Re: Spiralog (was Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL) - Re: Spiralog (was Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL) - Re: Spiralog (was Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL) 5 Re: Where to find the DCL command procedure document? 5 Re: Where to find the DCL command procedure document? # Re: Windows XP reality check please # Re: Windows XP reality check please # Re: Windows XP reality check please # Re: Windows XP reality check please   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:48:52 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) < Subject: Re: assaults on web servers - multinet IP filtering0 Message-ID: <00A04172.BCD0C81A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <9rap0m$26pj$1@news3.infoave.net>, "Jeff Morgan" <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com> writes:J >FYI, if you are running Multinet, you can create an IP filter list on theG >network interface that will block all connections from the IP address.  > F >I just figured out how to do it today and it may be useful to some... >  >Create a file:  >  >MULTINET:FILTER-SE1.DAT' >drop ip 208.165.181.11 255.255.255.255 ' >drop ip 208.165.228.69 255.255.255.255 ' >drop ip 64.210.39.253  255.255.255.255 ' >drop ip 208.180.241.43 255.255.255.255  >permit ip 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 >  >And activate it with: > : >MULTINET SET/INTERFACE/FILTER=MULTINET:FILTER-SE1.DAT SE1 > ! >Your interface may be different.  > J >This is documented in the administrator guide, but it wasn't intuitive on >first or second read to me. > J >My OSU access log is clean now. Of course you have to manually add all ofE >the attacking IP addresses to the list. And watch for new addresses.  > / >If my filter is incorrect, please let me know.   G I'm assuming, however, that like with such lists on routers, the number H of entries can start to degrade performance as inbound packets are anal-G yzed for matches on this list.  In my case, I have over 7000 "Code Red" F hits in one day a few months back.  The filter list would certainly be a voluminous list.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:05:49 -0400 0 From: "Jeff Morgan" <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com>< Subject: Re: assaults on web servers - multinet IP filtering- Message-ID: <9rbjlv$2vd5$1@news3.infoave.net>   ! I didn't say it was a great plan.    :-)   I So far, I have only 8 IP addresses blocked. My next task is to write some L dcl to look for new addresses every few hours and reset the access.log file.  I I hope the overhead of filtering those addresses is less than letting the B web server process the requests. Maybe the Process folks have some statistics.   J "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A04172.BCD0C81A@SendSpamHere.ORG...= > In article <9rap0m$26pj$1@news3.infoave.net>, "Jeff Morgan" $ <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com> writes:L > >FYI, if you are running Multinet, you can create an IP filter list on theI > >network interface that will block all connections from the IP address.  > I > I'm assuming, however, that like with such lists on routers, the number J > of entries can start to degrade performance as inbound packets are anal-I > yzed for matches on this list.  In my case, I have over 7000 "Code Red" H > hits in one day a few months back.  The filter list would certainly be > a voluminous list.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:50:33 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> < Subject: Re: assaults on web servers - multinet IP filtering8 Message-ID: <cnmittk6vk2uj94k2gr0siarqfrc20p9tu@4ax.com>  1 On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:05:49 -0400, "Jeff Morgan" # <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com> wrote:   " >I didn't say it was a great plan. >  >:-) > J >So far, I have only 8 IP addresses blocked. My next task is to write someM >dcl to look for new addresses every few hours and reset the access.log file.  > J >I hope the overhead of filtering those addresses is less than letting theC >web server process the requests. Maybe the Process folks have some  >statistics.  D I recall an admin of a major VMS site (still posts occasionally hereD so can identify himself if he wishes) who stuck a hook into incomingB mail processing to look for spammers. After the 1000th attempt (orA whatever) to use them as a relay it would issue a Windows Ping of D Death to the senders IP. In almost all cases the spammer was running: Win95 or NT unpatched and the connection attempts stopped!  F I can't recommend this as it is probably illegal and very few machines: are likely vulnerable today but I found the story amusing.   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2001 08:13:09 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)< Subject: Re: assaults on web servers - multinet IP filtering= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110260713.54ae2096@posting.google.com>   e "Jeff Morgan" <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com> wrote in message news:<9rap0m$26pj$1@news3.infoave.net>... K > FYI, if you are running Multinet, you can create an IP filter list on the H > network interface that will block all connections from the IP address. > G > I just figured out how to do it today and it may be useful to some...  >  > Create a file: >  > MULTINET:FILTER-SE1.DAT ( > drop ip 208.165.181.11 255.255.255.255( > drop ip 208.165.228.69 255.255.255.255( > drop ip 64.210.39.253  255.255.255.255( > drop ip 208.180.241.43 255.255.255.255 > permit ip 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0  >  > And activate it with:  > ; > MULTINET SET/INTERFACE/FILTER=MULTINET:FILTER-SE1.DAT SE1  > " > Your interface may be different. > K > This is documented in the administrator guide, but it wasn't intuitive on  > first or second read to me.  > K > My OSU access log is clean now. Of course you have to manually add all of F > the attacking IP addresses to the list. And watch for new addresses. > 0 > If my filter is incorrect, please let me know.  L the multinet packet filter process is similar to tcpware ... however instead" of "dropping" the packets, do this  %   deny ip x.x.x.x 255.255.255.255 0 0   H if you just drop a packet, the offender doesn't know whats happening ...P if they are going to punish your server, then let them know by punishing theirs!   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2001 09:03:33 GMT3 From: vance@alumni.caltech.edu (Vance R. Haemmerle) 8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld, Message-ID: <9rb8t5$ouf@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  . In article <isHQ9KKsEisA@tachxxsoftxxconsult>,> Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.062469.killspam.00be> wrote: > P >In any case, I have no use for any of them, especially since an entire sequenceP >of hits typically comes from the same site in rapid succession, so I have added( >the following lines to HTTP_PATHS.CONF: > ' >redirect /scripts/*    /www/yadda.html ' >redirect /MSADC/*      /www/yadda.html ( >redirect /_mem_bin/*    /www/yadda.html( >redirect /_vti_bin/*    /www/yadda.html' >redirect /c/winnt/*    /www/yadda.html ' >redirect /d/winnt/*    /www/yadda.html * >redirect /default.ida*    /www/yadda.html% >redirect /msadc/*    /www/yadda.html     G   What would happen if you changed these to redirect to localhost, i.e.   / redirect /c/winnt/*  http://127.0.0.1/c/winnt/*   E   Would that make the offending pc start attacking its already hacked ( IIS webserver?  That might keep it busy.   -- Vance Haemmerle  vance@alumni.caltech.edu   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2001 09:15:28 GMT3 From: vance@alumni.caltech.edu (Vance R. Haemmerle) 8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld, Message-ID: <9rb9jg$p1f@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  . In article <fgWITHTI0EV1@tachxxsoftxxconsult>,> Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.062469.killspam.00be> wrote:V >In article <3BD756FA.E1B746C7@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:J >> I've been getting these same hits since ~ Sep 11. They occur ~ every 30K >> minutes and originate from different IPs each time (usually 64.164.*.*). , >> Have you noticed any similar originators? > O >I did a search of my most recent logs just now, and most of my bogus hits from J >the last few hours were coming from 216.  216.191.145.182, 216.35.116.93,% >216.153.216.87, 216.95.244.178, etc.  >   D   And your IP starts with 216?  These viruses are known to attack IP addresses near their own.    -- Vance Haemmerle  vance@alumni.caltech.edu   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:51:48 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld0 Message-ID: <00A04173.25A61E57@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <9rb8t5$ouf@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, vance@alumni.caltech.edu (Vance R. Haemmerle) writes:/ >In article <isHQ9KKsEisA@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, ? >Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.062469.killspam.00be> wrote:  >>Q >>In any case, I have no use for any of them, especially since an entire sequence Q >>of hits typically comes from the same site in rapid succession, so I have added ) >>the following lines to HTTP_PATHS.CONF:  >>( >>redirect /scripts/*    /www/yadda.html( >>redirect /MSADC/*      /www/yadda.html) >>redirect /_mem_bin/*    /www/yadda.html ) >>redirect /_vti_bin/*    /www/yadda.html ( >>redirect /c/winnt/*    /www/yadda.html( >>redirect /d/winnt/*    /www/yadda.html+ >>redirect /default.ida*    /www/yadda.html & >>redirect /msadc/*    /www/yadda.html >  > H >  What would happen if you changed these to redirect to localhost, i.e. > 0 >redirect /c/winnt/*  http://127.0.0.1/c/winnt/* > F >  Would that make the offending pc start attacking its already hacked) >IIS webserver?  That might keep it busy.  >  >--  >Vance Haemmerle >vance@alumni.caltech.edu  >  >     H I don't believe that the "attacking" code behaves like a web browser andF thus the redirect is probably ignored and moot.  If somebody can prove% otherwise, I'd like to hear about it.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2001 07:22:14 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.062469.killspam.00be (Wayne Sewell) 8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld. Message-ID: <sLEB+vKmuu9Z@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  b In article <9rb9jg$p1f@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, vance@alumni.caltech.edu (Vance R. Haemmerle) writes:0 > In article <fgWITHTI0EV1@tachxxsoftxxconsult>,@ > Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.062469.killspam.00be> wrote:W >>In article <3BD756FA.E1B746C7@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes: K >>> I've been getting these same hits since ~ Sep 11. They occur ~ every 30 L >>> minutes and originate from different IPs each time (usually 64.164.*.*).- >>> Have you noticed any similar originators?  >>P >>I did a search of my most recent logs just now, and most of my bogus hits fromK >>the last few hours were coming from 216.  216.191.145.182, 216.35.116.93, & >>216.153.216.87, 216.95.244.178, etc. >> > " >   And your IP starts with 216?     As a matter of fact, it does.       % >These viruses are known to attack IP  > addresses near their own.   2 I see.  Don's ip address must start with 64, then.   --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== H Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy.". Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2001 07:43:33 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.062469.killspam.00be (Wayne Sewell) 8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld. Message-ID: <bwXccHmv$cKB@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  b In article <9rb8t5$ouf@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, vance@alumni.caltech.edu (Vance R. Haemmerle) writes:0 > In article <isHQ9KKsEisA@tachxxsoftxxconsult>,@ > Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.062469.killspam.00be> wrote: >>Q >>In any case, I have no use for any of them, especially since an entire sequence Q >>of hits typically comes from the same site in rapid succession, so I have added ) >>the following lines to HTTP_PATHS.CONF:  >>( >>redirect /scripts/*    /www/yadda.html( >>redirect /MSADC/*      /www/yadda.html) >>redirect /_mem_bin/*    /www/yadda.html ) >>redirect /_vti_bin/*    /www/yadda.html ( >>redirect /c/winnt/*    /www/yadda.html( >>redirect /d/winnt/*    /www/yadda.html+ >>redirect /default.ida*    /www/yadda.html & >>redirect /msadc/*    /www/yadda.html >  > I >   What would happen if you changed these to redirect to localhost, i.e.  > 1 > redirect /c/winnt/*  http://127.0.0.1/c/winnt/*  > G >   Would that make the offending pc start attacking its already hacked * > IIS webserver?  That might keep it busy.  8 I tried that first.  Didn't seem to make any difference.     --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== H Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy.". Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2001 07:32:02 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.062469.killspam.00be (Wayne Sewell)e8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld. Message-ID: <LpsImKdFFS5t@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  p In article <00A04113.7CCBFB16@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:p > In article <AYdMQd$Qwzjy@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.062469.killspam.00be (Wayne Sewell) writes: >>{...snip...} >>> I >>> Nimda propogates itself to IIS servers using tftp on UDP port 69 (seeuM >>> http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-26.html). It also tries to exploito! >>> the flaw used by CODE RED II.p >> >>Q >>I see.  So the get *is* the actual attack then.  Maybe I will alter my redirect N >>to run a command procedure instead of returning an html page.  The dcl couldP >>tell the tcp stack to disable access from that ip address to port 80.  My goalQ >>all along has been to abort the *repeated* hits from the same site.   I realized2 >>that not much can be done about the initial hit. > L > Be sure to follow-up with an invoice to billywarez, Inc for your time and K > effort to eradicate yourself from problems caused by his substandard bitss4 > of shit and, in particular, the turd known as IIS.   I sure would if I could.  L If billy had to pay for *all* the damage he has caused, both to the computerJ industry and to society as a whole, all his billions would dissipate in an: instant and he'd be the street person he should have been.     -- aO =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxe: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== H Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy.". Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2001 08:43:22 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.062469.killspam.00be (Wayne Sewell)O8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld. Message-ID: <YGjxSxupH4dJ@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  b In article <9rb8t5$ouf@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, vance@alumni.caltech.edu (Vance R. Haemmerle) writes:0 > In article <isHQ9KKsEisA@tachxxsoftxxconsult>,@ > Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.062469.killspam.00be> wrote: >>Q >>In any case, I have no use for any of them, especially since an entire sequenceAQ >>of hits typically comes from the same site in rapid succession, so I have added ) >>the following lines to HTTP_PATHS.CONF:w >>( >>redirect /scripts/*    /www/yadda.html( >>redirect /MSADC/*      /www/yadda.html) >>redirect /_mem_bin/*    /www/yadda.htmlk) >>redirect /_vti_bin/*    /www/yadda.html-( >>redirect /c/winnt/*    /www/yadda.html( >>redirect /d/winnt/*    /www/yadda.html+ >>redirect /default.ida*    /www/yadda.htmle& >>redirect /msadc/*    /www/yadda.html >  > I >   What would happen if you changed these to redirect to localhost, i.e.> > 1 > redirect /c/winnt/*  http://127.0.0.1/c/winnt/*  > G >   Would that make the offending pc start attacking its already hackede* > IIS webserver?  That might keep it busy. >   7 redirect /c/winnt/*  http://www.microsoft.com/c/winnt/*a  N would be more fitting.  Make those responsible for all this eat the overhead. K The owner of the offending pc is guilty of nothing other than stupidity for1 using billy products.o   -- 8O ===============================================================================2M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxt: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)nO ===============================================================================.H Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy.". Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:34:34 +0100m% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld8 Message-ID: <e2titt8al0okukn8gv5v9h3pucknhobv07@4ax.com>   >z8 >redirect /c/winnt/*  http://www.microsoft.com/c/winnt/* >oO >would be more fitting.  Make those responsible for all this eat the overhead.  L >The owner of the offending pc is guilty of nothing other than stupidity for >using billy products.  9 Probably you'd end up being the party arrested though :-(    -- Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2001 14:58:03 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)-8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld: Message-ID: <9rbtlr$mj0$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  . In message <bwXccHmv$cKB@tachxxsoftxxconsult>,A   wayne@tachysoft.xxx.062469.killspam.00be (Wayne Sewell) writes:   c >In article <9rb8t5$ouf@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, vance@alumni.caltech.edu (Vance R. Haemmerle) writes:cJ >>   What would happen if you changed these to redirect to localhost, i.e. >>2 >> redirect /c/winnt/*  http://127.0.0.1/c/winnt/* >>H >>   Would that make the offending pc start attacking its already hacked+ >> IIS webserver?  That might keep it busy.r >,9 >I tried that first.  Didn't seem to make any difference.0  F An infected IIS is not a normal HTTP client, it is only looking for anG indication of a successful attack and would have no reason to process a   redirect returned by the target.      < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:00:03 +0100h From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> > Subject: Re: automatic interpretation of UUencoded mail bodies) Message-ID: <3BD99693.7A93DDC6@Omond.net>n   Phillip Helbig wrote:t  L > > This is not a script for the MIME utility, but I have good luck with it.J > > It relies on a PC mail agent's tendency to interpret in-line UUencoded! > > information as an attachment.s >cI > Interesting.  For some time, I have been relying on the same mechanism. C > In most cases when I "need to send an attachment from VMS", it iseJ > sufficient to UUENCODE the message.  The PC client apparently knows whatD > to do with this.  I have even had success with creating a ZIP fileJ > consisting of multiple files then processing this with UUENCODE and haveI > it come out properly on the other side.  Just vanilla VMS MAIL, nothings! > else (except ZIP and UUENCODE).  >sF > This might be a non-documented, can-go-away-at-any-time, unsupportedG > feature on the PC side.  Normally, I prefer solutions which adhere torE > some standards, but considering the fact that many things in the PCoH > world (intentionally) don't adhere to standards, relying on this might > be a better bet.  B You bet !  In my opinion, PC clients which automatically interpret> UUencoded mail bodies are *severely* broken.  I've been driven2 (almost) mad by this errant behaviour in the past.   Blasted things ...  	 Roy Omondr Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:23:33 +0200l= From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com>e> Subject: Re: automatic interpretation of UUencoded mail bodies) Message-ID: <3BD99C15.42829E9B@dummy.com>>  > Hm, I'v also seen some mail-anti-virus-or-gateway-or-something> software that actualy unpacked the UUencoded file and repacked it as MIME (base64).   Jan-Erik Sderholm.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:13:56 -0400f; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>1& Subject: Re: Backup tape-label problem$ Message-ID: <3bd999cf$1@news.si.com>   >HELP BACKUP states clearly: >BACKUP. >.	 >  /LABEL2 >2 >        /LABEL=(string[,...]) >  >     Output Save-Set Qualifier   J Is HELP (and the System Management Utilities Reference manual) accurate inI this regard?  The save set can also be an input parameter (otherwise, howbJ would you restore and guarantee tape label intergrity - not restoring fromH the wrong tape) and if the saveset is on tape, the /LABEL qualifier then# becomes an input saveset qualifier.   G If you look at the CLD that defines BACKUP, you'll see that there is nooL POSITIONAL keyword associated with the /LABEL qualifier.  Thus it would seem8 to be a global qualifier and can be placed where needed. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comsA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.come= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent-< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:51:10 -0000t- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)x Subject: RE: BMQ on Itaniumn7 Message-ID: <914673F9Bwarrenspencer1977@207.126.101.97>   I Speaking for my former employer (and I'm certainly not authorized to), I  J would expect they would like to see it ported as well.  They use it today 7 for inter-process and inter-application communications.   < Itanium aside, will the client interface be available on XP?   ws   -- d   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)  The Associated Press  L ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements - neither do I  **    4 arturo.saavedra@wcom.com (arturo saavedra) wrote in 8 <DNEHJNCNNNGANLDIFIOHGEPDCBAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>:   >tJ >Our entire MCI telemarketing application running on VMS relies heavily on2 >DMQ.  We would definietely like to see it ported. >t >Thanks. >s >Art >h >Arturo Saavedra/VMST  >t >g >-----Original Message----- , >From: Bruce Stephens [mailto:hbsAT@bea.com]* >Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 6:33 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: BMQ on Itanium >H >m
 >Hi folks, >:@ >Anyone in this forum still using BEA's MessageQ product on VMS? >$+ >Would like to see it supported on Itanium?H >E5 >Now is the time to hold up your hand and be counted.. >.< >You can reply here, to me directly, or to the person below. >e >Thanks, >Bruce >n >m >@ >Cindy McDonnell Feinbergv >BEA Systems, Inc. >www.bea.com >Global Account Manager  >Compaq Computer Corporation >Phone: 908-580-3214 >Fax: 908-580-3050 >Mobile: 610-360-9733  >email: cindy.feinberg@bea.com >? >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:09:13 -0400s1 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com>2 Subject: RE: BMQ on Itanium,O Message-ID: <025766C9BBC5D511A4ED00B0D0F08C23162F88@ny-exchange1.maintech1.com>h   > -----Original Message-----< > From:	wspencer@ap.nospam.org [SMTP:wspencer@ap.nospam.org]L I tried to send this message yesterday, but never saw the message in c.o.v.. I'll try again.r  K We are heavily dependent on BmQ (formerly DmQ) at this site.  We have builtu# a gateway architecture with BmQ as dG the underpinnings of the architecture.  We will really need to see thiso ported.o   Mike Farrell mfarrell@voltdelta.com   >    > >-----Original Message-----l. > >From: Bruce Stephens [mailto:hbsAT@bea.com], > >Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 6:33 PM > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > >Subject: BMQ on Itanium > >s > >l > >Hi folks, > >sB > >Anyone in this forum still using BEA's MessageQ product on VMS? > >n- > >Would like to see it supported on Itanium?T > >H7 > >Now is the time to hold up your hand and be counted.> > >e> > >You can reply here, to me directly, or to the person below. > >a
 > >Thanks, > >Bruce > >n > >  > >y > >Cindy McDonnell Feinbergn > >BEA Systems, Inc. > >www.bea.com > >Global Account Manager  > >Compaq Computer Corporation > >Phone: 908-580-3214 > >Fax: 908-580-3050 > >Mobile: 610-360-9733o  > >email: cindy.feinberg@bea.com > >r > >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:29:54 -0000 / From: Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>n5 Subject: Re: CLD & error handling from within programi/ Message-ID: <ttj0bi1b4nnje0@corp.supernews.com>n  3 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:tK :   You need to create a signal handler, as the CLI routines tend to signalg> :   errors.  At its simplest, you can use something like this:  0 What signal was raised that needs to be handled?   -- b -- Mike Zarlenga   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:32:01 -0000p/ From: Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>c5 Subject: Re: CLD & error handling from within program&/ Message-ID: <ttj0fh297ies2a@corp.supernews.com>e  4 Christoph Gartmann <gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de> wrote:L : I would like to use a CLD from within a Pascal program. So far, so good. IN : wrote the .CLD-file, I wrote my program and I linked the CLD-object togetherI : with the program object file. Everything works as expected. If I omit a)O : required parameter, DCL asks for the paramter via LIB$GET_INPUT. If I enter a@G : valid paramter value all is fine. If I enter something invalid I get:C  C : %CLI-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spellinge	 :  \HUGO\h1 : %TRACE-W-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows L :   image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PCQ :                                             0 FFFFFFFF8006F0C0 FFFFFFFF8006F0C0eQ :                                             0 FFFFFFFF8006F0C0 FFFFFFFF8006F0C0gQ :                                             0 FFFFFFFF8006F0C0 FFFFFFFF8006F0C0.Q :  MIST                                       0 00000000000106B4 00000000000206B4 Q :  MIST  MIST  P_GET_COMMAND                 27 0000000000000120 0000000000020120oQ :  MIST  MIST  MIST                          39 00000000000001F8 00000000000201F8=Q :                                             0 FFFFFFFF855ED178 FFFFFFFF855ED178u : RC=    2294727  B I have never used CLD from Pascal but have from C and don't recallB having to trap any signals.  Was this an accvio?  Can you post the3 few lines before and after line 27 of your program?=   -- = -- Mike Zarlenga   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2001 13:36:15 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)D. Subject: Compaq putting  OpenVMS on Charon-VAX' Message-ID: <9rbosf$hke$1@joe.rice.edu>0 Keywords: compaq,vms,vax,charons  -    http://www.theinquirer.net/26100102.htm   j.    Compaq putting  OpenVMS on Sharon (sic) Vax  '    Compaq putting OpenVMS on Sharon Vaxx    Whoever she isc  )    By Mike Magee, 26/10/2001 09:15:47 BSTu  D   "COMPAQ IS TELLING ITS CUSTOMERS how to run Open VMS on Charon-Vax    systems. Here's the memo...  #    Subj: Update on SRI VAX emulators      Hi-  I    I just wanted to update everyone on our plans regarding the support of E    Compaq applications on the CHARON-VAX emulator. Software Resources C    International (SRI) has developed a VAX emulator product that isF    called "CHARON- VAX".  G    Compaq is in the process of entering an agreement with SRI that willtG    provide the rights for our VMS customers to run their Compaq VMS/VAXmD    applications on platforms that are running CHARON-VAX. As of now,E    CHARON-VAX runs on Alpha and Intel platforms, and on the followingeB    operating systems: OpenVMS Alpha, Windows NT, Windows 2000, and    (shortly) Linux.i  I    We will shortly have the CHARON-VAX emulator for OpenVMS Alpha running/A    on a system in-house for you to test your product. You are notrE    required to test your product on the emulator, but please take thetE    opportunity to run your product on the emulator if you think there=I    could be any unique issues. If there are issues during testing, pleaseeI    let me know. The list of products that are expected to be supported on/,    the Emulator are at the end of this memo.    .    .    .B    For more information on the CHARON-VAX emulator, please see theG    following web site: http://www.charon-vax.com/ Questions can also be=@    asked directly of SRI through their web site on the technicalD    capabilities of their product. Other questions can be directed to     myself or to Stephen Hoffman.      Regards,7    Mary Jane Vazquez    OpenVMS Product Management.      The Inquirere     2001 Breakthrough    Publishing Ltd     All rights reserved."   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2001 08:53:07 -0500- From: frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie)a2 Subject: Re: Compaq putting  OpenVMS on Charon-VAX3 Message-ID: <Jsqe38BzvGlu@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  S In article <9rbosf$hke$1@joe.rice.edu>, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) writes:i/ >    http://www.theinquirer.net/26100102.htm   e0 >    Compaq putting  OpenVMS on Sharon (sic) Vax > ) >    Compaq putting OpenVMS on Sharon Vaxu >    Whoever she is   H 	Well, it's me of course.  ;-)  (Jeez, clearly I have to increase my PR  dept's budget.)>   Sharon Guthrie   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2001 05:43:41 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)* Subject: Re: Delta time between two date's= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0110260443.5c02aa28@posting.google.com>   D Send any replies to the address at the bottom. Do not "click reply".  \ carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote in message news:<25OCT200118043377@gerg.tamu.edu>...C > Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com> writes...l > }OK.  > }Thanks all for all examples !* > }Shouldn't there be a lexical for this ? > } = > }I just tried the COM file below (timediff.com) and got thei > }following result :  > }  > }$ timediff "boottime" > }0273-00:14:07 > }$ sh sys/noprocG > }OpenVMS V7.2-1  on node xxxxxx  25-OCT-2001 09:11:53.06  Uptime  272= > }22:59:04= > }$  E Doesn't this mean it takes an hour and 15 minutes for your machine to7> boot? Are you running VMS on an Eniac? ;-) More at the bottom.   > } % > }Anyone know why this defference ??d > }  > }Jan-Erik Sderholm. > ? > A lexical for what? Getting the difference between two times?= > H > I don't know why the specific interval, but the uptime in the SHOW SYSF > appears to always be several minutes after the actual boot time. TheI > value it starts from is aparently set at the end of the system startup,rJ > possibly after some delay after that even - all of the processes startedC > at system startup appear to have been running for longer than the@ > SHOW SYSTEM uptime:  >  > $ sh proc/id=202000af/accl > [...],P >                           Node: GERGX            Process name: "DECW$SERVER_0" > [...]f+ >  Connect time:             25 01:52:04.02. > $ sh sys/noproc.M > OpenVMS V7.2-1  on node GERGX  25-OCT-2001 17:52:03.45  Uptime  25 01:48:04e > I > So the DECwindows server, which is pretty much the last process startedcG > during system startup, has been running for 4 minutes longer than the L > SHOW SYSTEM indicates as the uptime. You can see an even bigger differenceH > in the creation date of the OPERATOR.LOG file or the earlier processes > started during boot. > L > The "BOOTTIME" time is, on the other hand, a few seconds after the initial> > entry in the error log for the most recent boot's timestamp. > 
 > --- Carl  E Actually, this makes sense in the following way: Boottime is when theaF boot started. Uptime is how long the system has been up. The system isF not up until the boot completes a few minutes later. You can't do much while it is booting, can you?t   Disclaimer: JMHO       Alan E. Feldmanh afeldman    &-)f gfigroup.com  D "Holy SYS$PETUNIAS VAXman" blurted out Round-Robin, the Boy Blunder.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:29:25 +0200 = From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com>=* Subject: Re: Delta time between two date's) Message-ID: <3BD97345.634848BD@dummy.com>     Regarding the difference between $ timediff "boottime"t andw $ sh sys/noproc" :   1. It's an AS 1200/533.l" 2. It takes a few minutes to boot.7 3. I still don't under stand the 1 h 15 min difference.=/ 4. I'll try some reboots of my home VMS system.=, 3. And, no, it realy don't matter that much.     Jan-Erik Sderholm.a   PS.w= I still think it would have been nice to be able to calculate ; the delta time between two timestamps directly in DCL using47 something like f$cvtime. It isn't very efficient to runc= through 100's of lines of DCL for each delta time if you have = a couple of 100's timestamp pairs to make the calculation on.c I'll check the 3GL examples... DS.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:48:13 -0400t- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>c* Subject: Re: Delta time between two date's2 Message-ID: <bBfC7.46958$Z2.711227@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  7 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <noone@dummy.com> wrote in message-# news:3BD97345.634848BD@dummy.com...t >...9 > 3. I still don't under stand the 1 h 15 min difference.n >...  L The uptime reported by SHOW SYSTEM ignores changes to the system clock. I doI not know exactly how it keeps track of the uptime, but if you try settingx9 the time you will notice that the UPTIME does not change;n   $ sh sys/noproc I OpenVMS V7.1-1H2 on node TEST 26-OCT-2001 10:42:51.48 Uptime 317 18:53:20a $ set time=11:42 $ sh sys/noprocaI OpenVMS V7.1-1H2 on node TEST 26-OCT-2001 11:42:03.34 Uptime 317 18:53:38r $ set time=10:46 $ show sys/noproccI OpenVMS V7.1-1H2 on node TEST 26-OCT-2001 10:46:06.35 Uptime 317 18:56:43e $    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2001 02:22:58 -0700@ From: Dirk.Van.Bouchaute@kender-thijssen.be (Dirk Van Bouchaute); Subject: Re: Errors on RTA-ports in OpenVms version 5.5-2 ?a= Message-ID: <67059dac.0110260122.679c8a0e@posting.google.com>   Y Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3BD7F7BC.80719445@127.0.0.1>...4 > Dirk Van Bouchaute wrote:s > > I > > Some VMS systems (I suppose the problem is related to the vms-version@
 > > (5.5-2?))sI > > log errors on the RTAx (RTA1,RTA2,RTA3,..) port (which is mapped whencI > > a decnet 'set host' is done towards that system). It does not seem to-- > > be a serious problem but some people here G > > are curious to know the reason of these errors. Does anyone know iffB > > this is a 'known problem' and how it could possibly be cured ? > J > Not related to the version, I see errors under most (all?) versions with > RTA devices. > J > I've never looked at them. Try an ANAL/ERR/INC=RTA1/OUT=filename.ext and > see what they say. > B > RTA devices are effectively pseudo devices, there is no hardwareI > associated with them, so I expect the error is actually an event rathere  C By the way : I ALWAYS see those errors on a particular VAX with VMSe. 5.5-2 but never on another VAX with VMS 6.2... > than a real problem.   Thanks a lot, but the commandi   anal/err/include=rta1..r  C gives the error %erf-f-invquaval, value 'rta1' invalid for /includee	 qualifiers  - same error when I replace rta1 by rta or rt..aC replacing it by 'r' gives me the message %erf-i-notfound, specifieda entry(s) not found..   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:35:59 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>; Subject: Re: Errors on RTA-ports in OpenVms version 5.5-2 ?e) Message-ID: <3BD93C8F.B7BD8044@127.0.0.1>e   Dirk Van Bouchaute wrote:I > [ > Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3BD7F7BC.80719445@127.0.0.1>...eL > > Not related to the version, I see errors under most (all?) versions with > > RTA devices. > > L > > I've never looked at them. Try an ANAL/ERR/INC=RTA1/OUT=filename.ext and > > see what they say. > > D > > RTA devices are effectively pseudo devices, there is no hardwareK > > associated with them, so I expect the error is actually an event rather2 > E > By the way : I ALWAYS see those errors on a particular VAX with VMSm0 > 5.5-2 but never on another VAX with VMS 6.2... > > than a real problem.  H Hoff replied that there was an isue with a version of VMS so I guess theF errors I am seeing are due to something else. As I say they have neverD given me cause for concern, I've always assumed it was due to abrupt" network terminations and the like.   > Thanks a lot, but the command  >  > anal/err/include=rta1..  > E > gives the error %erf-f-invquaval, value 'rta1' invalid for /includeL > qualifiers > / > same error when I replace rta1 by rta or rt..nE > replacing it by 'r' gives me the message %erf-i-notfound, specified  > entry(s) not found..  3 That is my fault not thinking before pressing SEND.mE /INC=DEVICE should do it, otherwise my cheat is to just put start andhG end times, then examine the whole error report. SOmetimes I use insteade; /EXCLU=(VOL,ENV) to remove disk/tape mounts and timestamps.d  F However Hoff did say it is a known issue, and a valid support contract/ will grant you access to the official response.r   Sorry for the confusion. -- e( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:34:16 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>; Subject: Re: Errors on RTA-ports in OpenVms version 5.5-2 ? ) Message-ID: <3BD94A38.8C5ECF92@127.0.0.1>-   Nic Clews wrote: > 5 > That is my fault not thinking before pressing SEND.eG > /INC=DEVICE should do it, otherwise my cheat is to just put start andgI > end times, then examine the whole error report. SOmetimes I use insteadr= > /EXCLU=(VOL,ENV) to remove disk/tape mounts and timestamps.e  E ... and if I'd bothered to read the whole thread and Forrest Kenney'seD contribution, I'd have quit while I was still in second place before typing the above.a  G Sigh. I'll just stand in the corner then. Where's my hat with 'D' on iti :-)( --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:09:43 +0200c= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>r@ Subject: Re: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted) Message-ID: <3BD94476.F93813C3@gtech.com>D   Christopher Smith wrote:G > But, in trying to be objective, I'll say that if your Java program is N > well-constructed, it may serve your needs.  It has some nice object-orientedL > features.  You should expect long development times, though, especially inG > the initial stages.  If you write modularly and in an object-orientedl, > fashion, you can decrease the times later.  A Compared to Basic maybe, but Java should be as fast to start witho as C# and faster than C++.  G >                                          There aren't a lot of extras ; > added in to Java.  No very good way to do GUI stuff, etc.A  C I do not find either Motif or MS Windows better than AWT or Swing !r  L >                                                              I'd also noteA > that the Sun JDK is very spartan.  Some people don't like that.-  A Spartan ? I consider it bloated with way to much ! Have you triede counting> the number of methods in all the java.* and javax.* packages ?  M > If you're considering Java, I'd highly recommend that you look into InfernoiF > and Oberon.  They are two very different (from Java, and each other)J > languages which offer a lot of the strengths of Java without some of the
 > weaknesses.t   maybe. I do not know them.  C But they are niche products. Java is mainstream. Much easier to get D people with Java experience, much more tools and libraries for Java.	 Etc.etc..y   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:00:04 +0200-= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>@@ Subject: Re: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted) Message-ID: <3BD94233.645DF628@gtech.com>i   Lou Solomon wrote:L > My (new) manager has given me the task of deciding what is going to be ourN > future programming platform.  Currently, we are both a Windows and VMS shop,H > programming in Visual Basic on Windows, and DEC Basic on VMS.  Data isM > stored on either SQL 7.0 DB or RMS files (accessed from PC's via CONNX odbc  > drivers).M > M > He is an open source advocate, and would love a solution that is reasonably N > priced, multiplatform (or at least not locking us into one OS, or one client' > platform), powerful (of course), etc.. > K > For example: should we go towards a solution where the client is always acG > web browser?  (sure makes it easy to have workers @ home, and to port   > programs over to our clients).J > What about those open source languages like Python or TCL, etc.?  And of > course, what about Java?  $ Long term you only have two choices:  ; 1) MS .NET framework. Indicating both all software from MS.     No room for VMS.p  B 2) Java technology. J2EE (EJB, sevlet, JSP). Then you will be ableA    to choose between freeware, IBM products and SUN products. VMS-9    is not that good a fit, but it do have a small chance.m  0 In most cases a browser will be the best client.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:12:53 +0200s= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> @ Subject: Re: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted) Message-ID: <3BD94535.722421E5@gtech.com>I   Lou Solomon wrote:L > First off,  I agree with you about the web client issues.  We publish someN > of our VMS programs via telnet over the internet.  They are light years moreL > usable than 90% of comparable E-commerce sites, yet, of course, we have toK > update them to be web compatable, basically, because our marketing people M > believe clients want web-like programs (color, graphics, fonts, etc).  SureoN > the basic web paradigm is just about on par with the block send terminals ofL > 40 years ago (fill out fields, press a submit key, get back errors, HAH!),1 > but even I admit, that's what people are using.   H Many web-interfaces are very bad. *BUT* web-interfaces are excellent forF replacing VT-interfaces. The problems comes when you try and implementE a very sophisticated GUI a la MS Windows product in an web interface.   B I can see at least one big problem with telnet. Most companies hasE firewalls blocking outgoing telnet => no access. HTTP is the protocol0& with th ebest chance of being allowed.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:32:54 -0500 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> @ Subject: RE: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions WantedL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF1170DDCD@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----5 > From: Arne Vajh=F8j [mailto:arne.vajhoej@gtech.com]G   > Christopher Smith wrote:  ; > > features.  You should expect long development times,=20X  C > Compared to Basic maybe, but Java should be as fast to start witha > as C# and faster than C++.  D No argument there. :)  Actually, I was comparing to TCL, which is an  incredible prototyping language.   > of extrasW= > > added in to Java.  No very good way to do GUI stuff, etc.   E > I do not find either Motif or MS Windows better than AWT or Swing !s  I Well, I also don't consider Motif or windows good ways to do GUI stuff. =   I7 will admit to writing for Motif once in a while anyway.t   >  I'd also noteC > > that the Sun JDK is very spartan.  Some people don't like that.   C > Spartan ? I consider it bloated with way to much ! Have you triedc
 > counting@ > the number of methods in all the java.* and javax.* packages ?  B No -- I'd consider those part of the language, not the development environment.  E I meant that they only include a few command-line utilities, rather =  thanG going all-out in the way microshaft does with viral basic, and making =  it9 more like a paint program than a programming language. :)d  % [My bit about Oberon/Inferno snipped]t  E > But they are niche products. Java is mainstream. Much easier to getmF > people with Java experience, much more tools and libraries for Java. > Etc.etc..t  G No argument there either.  On the other hand, they use DEC Basic now. =o :)  G Oberon is similar enough to Pascal, and Inferno to Java(I believe) that * people would have little problem adapting.   Regards,   Chrisc  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developero Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");m 't =20l   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:54:20 GMT   From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>@ Subject: Re: Future Programming Platforms - Your Opinions Wanted8 Message-ID: <353jtt8cc6tlbt6kh6col81u47qej7rv8e@4ax.com>  E Just FYI, have you looked into the Enterprise Toolkit OpenVMS EditionSD software for VMS.  It allows you to edit basic code on your PC under& and store it back on your VMS systems.  / It might help keep the more stable VMS servers.2    C On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:33:36 -0400, "Lou Solomon" <lny98@yahoo.com>c wrote:   >All:t > K >My (new) manager has given me the task of deciding what is going to be our M >future programming platform.  Currently, we are both a Windows and VMS shop,rG >programming in Visual Basic on Windows, and DEC Basic on VMS.  Data istL >stored on either SQL 7.0 DB or RMS files (accessed from PC's via CONNX odbc
 >drivers). >rL >He is an open source advocate, and would love a solution that is reasonablyM >priced, multiplatform (or at least not locking us into one OS, or one client & >platform), powerful (of course), etc. >MJ >For example: should we go towards a solution where the client is always aF >web browser?  (sure makes it easy to have workers @ home, and to port >programs over to our clients).tI >What about those open source languages like Python or TCL, etc.?  And oft >course, what about Java?1 >4K >I guess I'd love any real world experiences or even philisophical musings.cI >(We are still in the philosophical stage... we know it isn't going to bee >easy to move over). >  >Thanks in advance.  >  >Lou Solomon >i >i  1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq - (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:03:35 +0200p, From: Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fhg.de>' Subject: Re: ImageMagick %LINK-I-UDFSYM ' Message-ID: <3BD934F7.70001@iaf.fhg.de>M   Hoff Hoffman wrote:     Q  > The folks that did the port missed something...  I'm *guessing* this is symbolhL  >  casing -- C is case-sensitive, but (by default) the LINKER is not. There%  > is a names as-is mechanism around.v  >J The compile options are: "/nodebug/optimize/prefix=all/name=(as_is,short)"    P  > I succeeded in building 3.8.2 for the Freeware V5.0 kit, you might look there  >  for some clues.o  > I built 5.3.1 with success.t    L The first undefined symbol AcquireMemory is referenced in "magick/utility.h" extern MagickExport void     *AcquireMemory(const size_t),  ( and the action is described in: MEMORY.CK %  Method AcquireMemory returns a pointer to a block of at least size bytes.  %  suitably aligned for any use. %1- %  The format of the AcquireMemory method is:1 %n- %      void *AcquireMemory(const size_t size)5 %:+ %  A description of each parameter follows:  %pF %    o memory: Method AcquireMemory returns a pointer to a block of at5 %      least size bytes suitably aligned for any use.n %a8 %    o size: Specifies the size of the memory to return. %n %e */3 MagickExport void *AcquireMemory(const size_t size)o {s    voidr      *allocation;       assert(size != 0);s    allocation=malloc(size);c    return(allocation); }n  : But there is no malloc library, therefore in CONFIG_VMS.H:5 /* Define if you have the <malloc.h> header file.  */w #undef HAVE_MALLOC_H  Q At the moment my understanding is there is a reference to a function which isn't  
 available.     Regards, -- e  ; ***********************************************************u; *                                                         *-; *  Theo Jakobus                                           *u; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  * ; *  Tullastr. 72                                           *o; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       *a; *  Germany                                                *y; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           *i; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           *.; *  e-mail:  Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                       *d; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  *h; *                                                         *.; ***********************************************************v   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:49:06 +0200 - From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>.' Subject: Re: ImageMagick %LINK-I-UDFSYM 2 Message-ID: <3BD95BC2.2F5C5A9@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:i > Z > In article <3BD7E540.2030201@iaf.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> writes:8 > :OpenVMS 7.3, DECwindow/Motif 1.2-6, Compaq C V6.4-008 > :rO > :We are using ImageMagick 5.3.1 http://www.imagemagick.org for converting and P > :displaying images. I updated to the latest version 5.4.0 which has a MAKE.COM > :for bulding the tools.  > .. > :Making Display... > :Compiling DISPLAY.C* > :%LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 38 undefined symbols:( > :%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         AcquireMemory) > :%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         AllocateStringy. > :%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         CatchImageException& > :%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         CloneString > :... > :e> > :All these symbols are in MAGICKSHR.OPT defined for example:* > :symbol_vector=(ACQUIREMEMORY=procedure) > ..- > :Did anybody succeed in building the tools?: > K >   The folks that did the port missed something...  I'm *guessing* this iseM >   symbol casing -- C is case-sensitive, but (by default) the LINKER is not.T, >   There is a names as-is mechanism around.D You are right. The Imagemagick maintainers put only half of my patchD in the files -> some files are now compiled with /name=(as_is,short) and others not.E  H I got Imagemagick from the CVS compiled and working today. I needed some# patches. I put the on our FTP-site: -   ftp://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/pub/imagemagicks> I will send those patches to the Imagemagick maintaines again.                  Jouke   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:12:16 -04005 From: Everhart <ge@gce.com> ! Subject: Mandatory access controlh' Message-ID: <3BD96130.5AD95348@gce.com>   G Actually, the Safety program can give you a measure of mandatory accessmH control on regular VMS also. Depends who is permitted to run the controlL program, but if a user is not, accesses he grants to files can be restrictedB in many ways. Since the full code is on the S2001 sigtapes you can inspect how this is done.   F disclaimer: I wrote the stuff some time back. Additional controls likeD access rate limits are not there, and attaching of controls as files% are created is not fully developed...a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:42:06 +0200e= From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com>X) Subject: Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMSw) Message-ID: <3BD913CE.F5B71114@dummy.com>h  + The current version of the MIME.EXE utilitye1 is, at best, usable when used from an interactive / VT session. From DCL (as i BATCH) it's close toe unusable...e  0 And, if you plan to use *only* MIME.EXE for your1 MIME encoded mails, you are limited to use VMS at(0 both the sending and the receiving end. And that3 was, as I understod it, *not* what you asked for !?l  . I can't see any reason at all to use MIME.EXE.2 Best thing (not available today) would be if there2 had been some builtin tool in the VMS distribution9 to handle this, but until then, my personal recomendationi% is the MPACK/MUNPACK/NBL combination..   Jan-Erik Sderholm.e     "Michael D. Ober" wrote: > M > Thanks, the MIME utility on VMS is new for me.  Now does anyone know how totL > script this in DCL, given a message body in one file and an attachement in > another file?e > --	 > Thanks,  > Mike Ober. >h   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:43:06 -0600a4 From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam>) Subject: Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS 0 Message-ID: <LLdC7.75$rQ3.41976@news.uswest.net>  J Thanks.  I suspected it wouldn't work from DCL.  I was able to send a textK document with MIME to our Exchange Server and have Outlook see the documentyK as an attachment, which opened as expected in MS-Word (the attachment had at .DOC extension). -- Thanks,a
 Mike Ober.    7 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <noone@dummy.com> wrote in messager# news:3BD913CE.F5B71114@dummy.com...i- > The current version of the MIME.EXE utility 3 > is, at best, usable when used from an interactivet1 > VT session. From DCL (as i BATCH) it's close toa
 > unusable...u > 2 > And, if you plan to use *only* MIME.EXE for your3 > MIME encoded mails, you are limited to use VMS ath2 > both the sending and the receiving end. And that5 > was, as I understod it, *not* what you asked for !?O >i0 > I can't see any reason at all to use MIME.EXE.4 > Best thing (not available today) would be if there4 > had been some builtin tool in the VMS distribution; > to handle this, but until then, my personal recomendationh' > is the MPACK/MUNPACK/NBL combination.C >m > Jan-Erik Sderholm.a >s >o > "Michael D. Ober" wrote: > >-L > > Thanks, the MIME utility on VMS is new for me.  Now does anyone know how toK > > script this in DCL, given a message body in one file and an attachementg in > > another file?2 > > -- > > Thanks,l > > Mike Ober. > >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:11:12 +0200t From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>) Subject: Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMSh' Message-ID: <3BD96F00.F3356BCE@home.nl>t  L MIME does work from DCL. You can make a draft message, and tell MIME to open
 that message. L So what you do is make a template draft message, and copy that template to a4 file that will be used together with the mimed file.   Then start MIMEj$ mime> open draft-file/draft <return>" mime> add your-other-file <return> mime> save <return>C mime> exit <return>c  L You can all do this in DCL, expect for the first template of course. You can make that as follows: 
 MIME <return>- mime> new <return>1 Input Message File Name: my-template.txt <return>n <ctrl>Zm mime> save <return>t mime> exit <return>4   Regards,   Dirk             "Michael D. Ober" wrote:  L > Thanks.  I suspected it wouldn't work from DCL.  I was able to send a textM > document with MIME to our Exchange Server and have Outlook see the documentsM > as an attachment, which opened as expected in MS-Word (the attachment had aa > .DOC extension). > --	 > Thanks,  > Mike Ober. >n9 > "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <noone@dummy.com> wrote in messager% > news:3BD913CE.F5B71114@dummy.com...s/ > > The current version of the MIME.EXE utility 5 > > is, at best, usable when used from an interactive'3 > > VT session. From DCL (as i BATCH) it's close to  > > unusable...f > >c4 > > And, if you plan to use *only* MIME.EXE for your5 > > MIME encoded mails, you are limited to use VMS at 4 > > both the sending and the receiving end. And that7 > > was, as I understod it, *not* what you asked for !?- > >p2 > > I can't see any reason at all to use MIME.EXE.6 > > Best thing (not available today) would be if there6 > > had been some builtin tool in the VMS distribution= > > to handle this, but until then, my personal recomendation ) > > is the MPACK/MUNPACK/NBL combination.J > >a > > Jan-Erik Sderholm.e > >c > >e > > "Michael D. Ober" wrote: > > >oN > > > Thanks, the MIME utility on VMS is new for me.  Now does anyone know how > toM > > > script this in DCL, given a message body in one file and an attachementc > in > > > another file?f > > > --
 > > > Thanks,r > > > Mike Ober. > > >-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:57:58 +0200-= From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com>r) Subject: Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS ) Message-ID: <3BD979F6.CE0FF833@dummy.com>   9 Well, I didn't say that MIME.EXE could *not* be used fromk6 DCL/batch, I sad it was "close to unusable". Anyway, I6 have MIME.EXE in an production, batch oriented, system: where aprox 500-1000 ZIP files are sent each day, and this: uses MIME.EXE. But it isn't a nice solution. My plan is to7 get mpack in place instead of MIME as soon as possible.   " With MIME.EXE I do the following :  . 1. First, set the defualt Mail editor to EDT : MAIL> SET EDIT EDT   2. create a tmp file like :e1 -------------------------------------------------e $ mime new trace_temp:t2m.mimel add trace_temp:t2m.zip exit Yt $exitn1 -------------------------------------------------   3 3. Run this tmp file (the > lines are the output) :o   $ @trace_temp:t2m.tmpo > $ mime > new trace_temp:t2m.mimey > Input file does not exist  > [EOB]h >  > add trace_temp:t2m.zip > exit > Yw' > %MIME-E-OPNFILERR, Error opening filea: > [ a 'blank' line repeated 65 times in the batch log !! ]   4. Send the file :  ; $ mail/subj="xxx" trace_temp:t2m.mime "nbl%""user@domain"""n  3 (I always get two t2m.mime files, the ;1 is empty.)o   Jan-Erik Sderholm.i   Dirk Munk wrote: > N > MIME does work from DCL. You can make a draft message, and tell MIME to open > that message. N > So what you do is make a template draft message, and copy that template to a6 > file that will be used together with the mimed file. >  ...m   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:21:54 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>c) Subject: Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMSS$ Message-ID: <3bd98d9d$1@news.si.com>  L >Thanks, the MIME utility on VMS is new for me.  Now does anyone know how toK >script this in DCL, given a message body in one file and an attachement inc >another file?  L This is not a script for the MIME utility, but I have good luck with it.  ItC relies on a PC mail agent's tendency to interpret in-line UUencodedoL information as an attachment.  It requires an SMTP agent and UUencode on the	 VAX side.s --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.combA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.come= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevente< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   $!  MAIL_ATTACHMENT.COM C $!  This procedure mails an attachment using UUENCODE and VMS Mail.0 $!J $!  Usage: @mail_attachment attachment recipient [messagebody] ["Subject"] $! $   on error then goto cleanup $!- $!  Obtain the name of the file to be mailed.m $! $ getp1:" $   if p1 .nes. "" then goto gotp1- $   read/prompt="_Wide file: " sys$command p11 $   goto getp1 $!G $!  Obtain the address of the person to whom the file should be mailed.e $! $ gotp1:" $   if p2 .nes. "" then goto gotp2- $   read/prompt="_Recipient: " sys$command p2o $   goto gotp1 $!C $!  Obtain the name of any file that should be part of the message.s $! $ gotp2:" $   if p3 .nes. "" then goto gotp30 $   read/prompt="_Message file: " sys$command p3 $!$ $!  Obtain the mail subject, if any. $! $ gotp3:" $   if p4 .nes. "" then goto gotp4+ $   read/prompt="_Subject: " sys$command p4  $!C $!  Determine the name of the input file and derive the name of the 	 temporaryl $!  output files.o $! $ gotp4:( $   filename = f$parse( p1, , , "name" )( $   filetype = f$parse( p1, , , "type" )" $   origfile = filename + filetype $   tempout = filename + ".tmp"S $   uuout = filename + ".uue"  $!K $!  Convert the file to a STREAM format so that a PC-based mail system will  $!  accept it. $!) $   convert/fdl=sys$input: 'p1' 'tempout'? RECORD     FORMAT streame     CARRIAGE_CONTROL nonet $!D $!  Now UUEncode the converted file.  Assume UUENCODE is in the same	 directoryl: $!  as this file.  Convert the output into a normal format $!E $   thisdir = f$element( 0, "]", f$environment( "procedure" ) ) + "]"pA $   mcr 'thisdir'uuencode /out='uuout' /name='origfile' 'tempout' * $   convert/fdl=sys$input: 'uuout' 'uuout' RECORD     FORMAT variable '     CARRIAGE_CONTROL    carriage_returnt $!J $!  Now, append the encoded file to the message file, if any, and mail theA $!  result to the intended recpient.  Delete the temporary files.u $! $   if p3 .nes. ""% $   then copy 'p3', 'uuout' 'tempout'd $   else copy 'uuout' 'tempout' 	 $   endif  $! $   if p4 .eqs. "" $   then mail 'tempout' "''p2'"a, $   else mail/subj="''p4'" 'tempout' "''p2'"	 $   endif" $!
 $ cleanup:( $   message = f$environment( "message" )& $   set message/nofac/noid/nosev/notex! $   delete 'tempout';*, 'uuout';*l $   set message'message'
 $   exit 1   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:39:47 +0200 (MET)69 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n) Subject: Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS ; Message-ID: <01K9YTDMUXX490SS1T@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>C  J > This is not a script for the MIME utility, but I have good luck with it.H > It relies on a PC mail agent's tendency to interpret in-line UUencoded  > information as an attachment.   I Interesting.  For some time, I have been relying on the same mechanism.  oB In most cases when I "need to send an attachment from VMS", it is I sufficient to UUENCODE the message.  The PC client apparently knows what cC to do with this.  I have even had success with creating a ZIP file eI consisting of multiple files then processing this with UUENCODE and have  H it come out properly on the other side.  Just vanilla VMS MAIL, nothing  else (except ZIP and UUENCODE).S  E This might be a non-documented, can-go-away-at-any-time, unsupported eF feature on the PC side.  Normally, I prefer solutions which adhere to D some standards, but considering the fact that many things in the PC G world (intentionally) don't adhere to standards, relying on this might P be a better bet.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:42:33 -0600d) From: "DigiDemon" <digidemon@hotmail.com>c" Subject: OpenVMS startup log file?9 Message-ID: <20011026.104233.1605894428.3087@hotmail.com>r   Greetings all!  G I'm a lil bit of a newbie when it comes to OpenVMS.  I have a DEC AlphanF 4/275.  I'm trying to analye some of the startup messages, but my eyesG don't work that fast ;-)  Any chance OPenVMS logs the startup messages?  Thanks people :)   Jamesi   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:27:56 +0200.= From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com>a& Subject: Re: OpenVMS startup log file?) Message-ID: <3BD99D1C.881D198A@dummy.com>   9 They can be logged on the server, but if you'd want *all* 4 messages, hook up a PC (laptop) to your console port8 and set up your VT-emulator to either save-to-file or ot0 use a large screen buffer so you can scroll back4 all output. This way you'll get everything including# messages from the firmware (>>>...)c   Jan-Erik Sderholm.n   DigiDemon wrote: >  > Greetings all! > I > I'm a lil bit of a newbie when it comes to OpenVMS.  I have a DEC AlphatH > 4/275.  I'm trying to analye some of the startup messages, but my eyesI > don't work that fast ;-)  Any chance OPenVMS logs the startup messages?  > Thanks people :) >  > Jamese   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:38:58 -0400e  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com& Subject: Re: OpenVMS startup log file?4 Message-ID: <C2256AF1.0060B150.00@jklh21.valmet.com>   Hoff,  Is this in the FAQ?     See Caution in help text below.o& Pick one for MODPARAMS.DAT and Autogen  
 Really a lot:e  J !    STARTUP_P2     = "CDV" ! NFR 09/05/98 Checkpoint,Logfile,FullVer@boot   Reasonable:   M !    STARTUP_P2     = "CDP" ! NFR 07/09/98 Checkpoint,Logfile,PartialVer@bootn     SYSMAN> par sho startup_p2B %SYSMAN-I-USEACTNOD, a USE ACTIVE has been defaulted on node ASPEN' Node NODEA:   Parameters in use: ACTIVE P Parameter Name            Current    Default    Minimum    Maximum Unit  DynamicP --------------            -------    -------    -------    ------- ----  -------H STARTUP_P2                  "CDP "    "    "     "    "     "zzzz" Ascii     SYSMAN> HELP STARTUP SET *   STARTUP      SET        OPTIONS          Qualifiers               /CHECKPOINTING                 /CHECKPOINTING               /NOCHECKPOINTING  L            Displays informational messages describing the time and status of6            each startup phase and component procedure.             /OUTPUT5  +               /OUTPUT=FILE,CONSOLE(default)   J            Sends output generated by using the /VERIFY qualifier to a fileF            or to the system console. If you choose the FILE option, it4            creates SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE]STARTUP.LOG.             /VERIFY   ,               /VERIFY=FULL (default),PARTIAL               /NOVERIFY   F            Displays startup procedures as they execute. This qualifierJ            defines the system parameter STARTUP_P2 to have the appropriate1            value based on the options you choose:m  K            o  FULL-Displays every line of DCL executed by startup componentg+               procedures and by STARTUP.COMw  D            o  PARTIAL-Displays every line of DCL executed by startupH               component procedures, but does not display DCL executed by               STARTUP.COMs  /                                         CAUTION   D               All STARTUP_P* parameter values modified by the SYSMANG               STARTUP OPTIONS will be overridden by the AUTOGEN commandUJ               procedure. To preserve any parameter modifications made withJ               SYSMAN, edit the SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT file, as explained5               in the OpenVMS System Manager's Manual.I         STARTUP      SETl       OPTIONSe         Descriptionr  I            The STARTUP SET OPTIONS command enables you to perform loggingoJ            and checkpointing during startup. You can control the amount ofI            information logged (full or partial) and where it is displayed F            (file or console). You can also choose checkpointing, whichG            displays informational messages about the time and status ofw%            each phase during startup.   K            Because SYSMAN enables you to define the target environment, youeL            can perform startup logging on your local node, your own cluster,I            and a subset of nodes on your cluster. See SET ENVIRONMENT forg            more information.         STARTUP-     SET-       OPTIONSr  
       Example:    J          SYSMAN> STARTUP SET OPTIONS/VERIFY=FULL/OUTPUT=FILE/CHECKPOINTING  J              This example requests startup logging with full verification,K              output to SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE]STARTUP.LOG, and checkpointing.w          / digidemon@hotmail.com on 10/26/2001 12:42:33 PMi  ' Please respond to digidemon@hotmail.come   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comh cc:l# Subject:  OpenVMS startup log file?n         Greetings all!  G I'm a lil bit of a newbie when it comes to OpenVMS.  I have a DEC AlphaiF 4/275.  I'm trying to analye some of the startup messages, but my eyesG don't work that fast ;-)  Any chance OPenVMS logs the startup messages?- Thanks people :)   James0   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:53:15 +0200m& From: Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de>F Subject: Re: PC164, OVMS7.2, isacfg and graphic cards (MACH64, S3 968)$ Message-ID: <3BD994FB.59E2@c-lab.de>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >   H > >I don't think you can use the later versions of the Trio64 that had aF > >collection of extra letters on the end V+ V2+ or something similar. > L > You can use the V+, but not the V2.  I actually *have* a server for the V2L > tucked away someplace, but it was never released, and we never sold boards > with a V2 on it.  G Indeed, the DECW$SERVER_DDX_S3.EXE is somewhat picky... With a friend IlE checked the options, so most of what follows is just for the records,r err, Google:  / Number Nine GXE64 (S3 Vision868) : Mentioned ina7 DECW$DEVICE_CONFIG_GQ.COM, but just does NOT work (thishE DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG version is already purged, so citing a DUMP):t  <  3A74696E 496E6565 72635373 6D763373 s3vmsScreenInit: 0000F0<  69562033 53206570 79742070 69684320  Chip type S3 Vi 000100<  70707573 20746F6E 20343638 6E6F6973 sion864 not supp 000110<  72635373 6D763373 00000A64 6574726F orted...s3vmsScr 000120<  4E574F4E 4B4E5520 3A74696E 496E6565 eenInit: UNKNOWN 000130<  61666564 202C6570 79742070 69686320  chip type, defa 000140<  34366F69 72542033 53206F74 20746C75 ult to S3 Trio64 000150<  25783020 3A766552 00000000 0000000A ........Rev: 0x% 000160<  0A642520 3D3D2050 4E50202C 78322E32 2.2x, PNP == %d. 000170<  72635373 6D763373 00000000 00000000 ........s3vmsScr 000180<  79742070 69684320 3A74696E 496E6565 eenInit: Chip ty 000190<  0000202C 34366F69 72542033 53206570 pe S3 Trio64, .. 0001A0<  3A74696E 496E6565 72635373 6D763373 s3vmsScreenInit: 0001B0<  72542033 53206570 79742070 69684320  Chip type S3 Tr 0001C0+  73696E69 46202D20 0000202C 32336F69 io32, n  B Still, the plain SYS$GQSDRIVER starts and shows the 'OpenVMS Alpha2 Operator Console Label'. But no X11 server, sorry.  A Then, the ELSA GLoria-8 (NO, this is not a Synergy!) with S3 968:yF Needed the usual PCI-Id tweaks in DECW$USER_CONFIG.DAT, then I got the% driver started and the console label.d  G The XServer, though, identified this one as Trio32 with 1MB max. It didnF produce an image, but alas, with a VSync of 23Hz (early TV sets of the* '30 ??) and HSync of 18kHz. So, forget it.@ I'm somewhat surprised that it did NOT default to Trio64, as theB messages in the DUMP seem to indicate. PCI-Id of 968 from Xfree86:* #define PCI_CHIP_968            0x88F0 vs.8 #define PCI_CHIP_TRIO           0x8811  for the Trio32's2 #define PCI_CHIP_AURORA64VP     0x8812  and 64/64V& #define PCI_CHIP_TRIO64UVP      0x8814  H While asking some colleagues for their old cards, I went back to the ATIF Mach64, which I finally got working by using a 'brute force' SYSMAN IOI CONNECT: Assuming the card in ISA slot 1, ANA/SYS CLUE CONF showing that  E the ISA bus is at TR 3 (PC164), the following managed to activate thep driver:m4 mcr sysman io con /vector=0/node=1/adap=3/csr=0 gqa0 /driver=sys$gqddrivert2 (did I mention that 'isacfg' did not work for me?)  G Still, as Fred (or was it Hoff?) mentioned quite some time ago, this is F just an emergency solution, just for a box in the server room, but notG as desktop: With 1280x1024, I only get a stable, non-jittering image ateF 60Hz, slightly jittering at 66Hz, and completely unacceptable at 70Hz.) Either you use an old monitor or an LCD. k  * Taking a look into Xfree86's 'Cards' file:  F NAME Number Nine GXE64 with S3 Trio64  # there seems to be also a Trio version of this card...u SEE S3 Trio64 (generic)e  + NAME Diamond Stealth 64 DRAM with S3 Trio64  SEE S3 Trio64 (generic)i  4 NAME Diamond Stealth64 Graphics 2xx0 series (Trio64) SEE S3 Trio64 (generic)e   NAME Diamond Stealth 64 DRAM SEn SEE S3 Trio32 (generic)s  4 NAME Diamond Stealth64 Video 2001 series (2121/2201) SEE S3 Trio64V+ (generic)X   NAME Cardex Trio64 SEE S3 Trio64 (generic)r   NAME Cardex Trio64ProT SEE S3 Trio64 (generic)B   NAME Miro Crystal 12SD SEE S3 Trio32 (generic)n   NAME Miro Crystal 22SD SEE S3 Trio64 (generic)   & NAME SPEA/V7 Mirage P64 with S3 Trio64 SEE S3 Trio64 (generic)n   NAME Number Nine FX Vision 330 SEE S3 Trio64 (generic)o   NAME Number Nine FX Motion 331 SEE S3 Trio64V+ (generic)    NAME ASUS Video Magic PCI VT64 SEE S3 Trio64 (generic)l   NAME VideoLogic GrafixStar 400 SEE S3 Trio64V+ (generic)    NAME VideoLogic GrafixStar 300 SEE S3 Trio64 (generic)y  # NAME 2 the Max MAXColor S3 Trio64V+A SEE S3 Trio64V+ (generic)J   NAME DataExpert DSV3365o SEE S3 Trio64V+ (generic)a   NAME ExpertColor DSV3365 SEE S3 Trio64V+ (generic)i   NAME DSV3326 SEE S3 Trio64V+ (generic)n   NAME STB Powergraph 64 Video SEE S3 Trio64V+ (generic)y   NAME STB Powergraph 64 SEE S3 Trio64 (generic)e   NAME ELSA Winner 1000TRIOn SEE S3 Trio64 (generic)    NAME ELSA Winner 1000TRIO/V- SEE S3 Trio64V+ (generic)   ! NAME Hercules Terminator 64/Video= SEE S3 Trio64V+ (generic)   ) NAME Hercules Graphite Terminator 64/DRAMn SEE S3 Trio64 (generic)-  D Still, that probably does not mean that two cards with the same name9 might have two different chips, as usual (think PCish)...   E If I'm not mistaken, DEC used the Number Nine FX Motion 331 or Visiont 330.  ; To be continued (perhaps), when the next candidates appear.M   -- .* Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de* Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany, Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 6060658 C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:20:32 +0200 (MET)-9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> % Subject: please reply if you see this-; Message-ID: <01K9YSP3UF1E90SS1T@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i  	 Hi folks,h    J When I lost NNTP access, I subscribed to Info-VAX, which resulted in me=20I using the address INFO-VAX@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU.  This worked for a while,=20tK but a few weeks ago, most people stopped seeing my posts (evidence: lack=20 > of followups---confirmed by test messages and offline email=20? correspondence).  This was somewhat confusing since SOME peoplenE (including myself) DID see my posts.  I have now signed off that listdJ and joined Info-VAX again, resulting in me using Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com.=20  C If you see this, please reply to me personally (NOT to the whole=20oE list/newsgroup) and let me know where you saw this (comp.os.vms or=20t
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 What ? Huh ??G   Regardst   FC=20s# --- Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:.+ > A few days ago VMS and Tru64 staff in TheM > Netherlands were rushed to > hospital.31 > Without any prewarning they were subjected to a7 > Compaq radio commercial 3 > promoting the use of VMS and Tru64 clusters ! NO,n > not Windooz clusters, 4 > but REAL clusters ! And VMS was mentioned first !! >=205 > It took experienced brain specialists several hours6 > to restore normal2/ > Alpha wave activity in the brains of the poor2
 > victims. >=205 > At the same time the Royal Dutch Airforce scrambled0 > interceptor fighters6 > to investigate strange objects on the radar screens. > Once in the air the60 > pilots discovered large flocks of flying pigs, > migrating south to spend > the winter in Africa ! >=204 > Our Compaq account manager was even able to supply > us with a MP3 file of66 > the commercial. Needless to say it is now a integral > part of the home" > page of our VMS intranet server. >=206 > On request I can send it to anyone interested. It is > in Dutch of course,a3 > but you can clearly hear the words VMS, Tru64 andb > cluster ! And it3 > mentions a report by DH Brown where VMS and Tru64t > clusters are > recommended. >=20 > WOOOOOOW   !!!!s >=20 >=20 >=20     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DeL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3De F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3DT  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?, Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:00:58 +0100R% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>C@ Subject: Re: SHOCK, HORROR, VMS & TRU64 STAFF RUSHED TO HOSPITAL8 Message-ID: <u1nitts50ha6ghincct8l9lm04aj2a4fpd@4ax.com>  C On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:02:12 +0200, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:   E >A few days ago VMS and Tru64 staff in The Netherlands were rushed toa
 >hospital.H >Without any prewarning they were subjected to a Compaq radio commercialH >promoting the use of VMS and Tru64 clusters ! NO, not Windooz clusters,3 >but REAL clusters ! And VMS was mentioned first !!(  E VMS marketing appears to have a budget which allows them to run aboutcD one advert per year in one country. So far we've had France, Poland,E UK and now The Netherlands. It is a shock to the system when you cometD across one though. Note the entire VMS marketing budget is less than> Michael Capellas take home pay + stock options for last year I believe.  D I think the US ads are scheduled for Spring 2046 so at least we know" VMS will still be around then :-)   F >It took experienced brain specialists several hours to restore normal7 >Alpha wave activity in the brains of the poor victims.  >0I >At the same time the Royal Dutch Airforce scrambled interceptor fightersSI >to investigate strange objects on the radar screens. Once in the air the1H >pilots discovered large flocks of flying pigs, migrating south to spend >the winter in Africa !  >oI >Our Compaq account manager was even able to supply us with a MP3 file ofgF >the commercial. Needless to say it is now a integral part of the home! >page of our VMS intranet server.  >TI >On request I can send it to anyone interested. It is in Dutch of course,oC >but you can clearly hear the words VMS, Tru64 and cluster ! And itE? >mentions a report by DH Brown where VMS and Tru64 clusters areo
 >recommended.r  E How about an English translation if you feel up to it? Also feel free3 to send me an MP3. >A >WOOOOOOW   !!!! >  >T   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:14:25 GMTn5 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@REMOVETHISossc.net>n@ Subject: Re: SHOCK, HORROR, VMS & TRU64 STAFF RUSHED TO HOSPITALD Message-ID: <BZfC7.1130199$ai2.85851821@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:u1nitts50ha6ghincct8l9lm04aj2a4fpd@4ax.com...E > On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:02:12 +0200, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:e > F > I think the US ads are scheduled for Spring 2046 so at least we know# > VMS will still be around then :-)t  I     Do you know the station and time?  I really don't want to miss it, sod I'llL     write it on my calendar.  I also want to set my watch to beep 10 minutes,     before so that I'll be SURE to catch it.   >tH > >It took experienced brain specialists several hours to restore normal9 > >Alpha wave activity in the brains of the poor victims.b  H     Good thing they were experienced.  It could have taken a lot longer.I     But amateurs would not have restored Alpha waves, just Itanium waves.    -Johnr   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:32:32 +0200d* From: "Accessnet" <sthompson@accessnet.es>/ Subject: Re: SMTP and POP vms 7.3 and tcpip 5.1@( Message-ID: <3bd973aa_2@news.arrakis.es>   Hi Group  L It was apparent the DNS was the problem and I've found the solution and it's working very well.  H The $SHOW MX "something.com" works like NSLOOKUP and two tests with this% command and I'd isolated the problem.a  G The DNS on VMS is now correctly configured to work behind a firewall. IrD decided to configure my Alpha as a  RESOLVER and use the information supplied by the ISP's DNS...     Thanks for everybodys help....   Steven( ----------------------------------------3 "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> escribi en el mensaje " news:9qrm3g$o20$1@news.IAEhv.nl...F > The error message seems to indicate that the destination mail server cannot > be found.hJ > Mail delivery can be done in two ways: 1: send the Email to a smtp relay > system and letA > that system sort out the delivery or, 2: do the name-to-addressD transaltione > yourself.uI > ISP's tend to stop offering option 1 because it makes them a target forn > spam.ML > Option 2 means that you've got to have access to a domain name server. The > DNS databaseL > has MX records that return the required information, i.e. an IP address of > the destination-	 > server.r >2 > Hans >02 > Steven <sthompson@accessnet.es> wrote in message$ > news:3bd0381b_2@news.arrakis.es... > > Hi Jouku > >eJ > > The RELAY switch was the obvious point to mention and I didn't, sorry! It > is > > a RELAY.E > > The only way to block relays is then with the SMTP.CONFIG file...n > >E1 > > However, I don't get a SPAMMING type error...r > >  > > VMS gives me this error... > > $f< > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  19-OCT-2001 16:17:01.36  %%%%%%%%%%%* > > Message from user TCPIP$SMTP on MYNODEL > > TCPIP-W-SMTP_UNRSLVMF, MAIL FROM:< <someone@somewhere>> has unresolvable
 > > domain > >rL > > (someone@somewhere equates to a valid VMS user on the registered domain)1 > > Again the SMTP CONFIGURATION maybe has a cluep > >  > > SMTP Configuration > >e Optionsc> > > Initial interval:   0 00:30:00.00       Address_max:    16	 EIGHT_BITwJ > > Retry interval:     0 01:00:00.00       Hop_count_max:  16       RELAY% > > Maximum interval:   3 00:00:00.00-
 > TOP_HEADERS- > >-K > > Timeout             Initial       Mail    Receipt       Data  Terminate/K > >   Send:                   5          5          5          3         10- > >   Receive:                5n > >x# > > Alternate gateway:  not definedh# > > General gateway:    not defineds > >i, > > Substitute domain:  HIDDEN, MYDOMAIN.COM$ > > Zone:               MYDOMAIN.COM > >=" > > Postmaster:         TCPIP$SMTPG > > Log file:           SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG. > >o4 > > Generic queue       Queues   Participating nodes > >R' > > TCPIP$SMTP_MYNODE_00   1     MYNODE 
 > > TCPIP>D > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >iD > > "Jouk Jansen" <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> escribi en el mensaje1 > > news:3BD04D1F.6D138A31@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl...; > > > Steven wrote:s > > > >n > > > > Hello groupSE > > > > I've set up vms 7.3 and tcpip 5.1 to provide an Internet maily service.L > > > > (5.1 according to the book has interesting possibilities on blocking	 > > SPAM)r > > > >iE > > > > Almost everything works fine... TELNETs FTPs NTPs DNS  etc...l3 > > > > (Theres' always something that goes wrong!)>I > > > > The server receives mails from the internet  and delivers them tof thetJ > > > > several VMS users I have active. Mails can be read logging on as a VMSo > > userJ > > > > or from a PC using E.g. "Outlook" configured to read the mail from thep > > VMSW > > > > users account. > > > >oL > > > > What I cannot do is SEND a mail anywhere on the net from a PC on the > > same7 > > > > LAN as the Alpha or externally on the Internet.e > > > > I get...A > > > > Protocol: SMTP, Server Reply: '550 That sender address isn unresolvable > > intoH > > > > a host name or MX domain.', Port: 25, Security (SSL): No, Server > Error: > > 550,! > > > > Error Number: 0x800CCC78.s > > > >dF > > > > My Alpha is the only MX for it's domain as it's not a critical
 > service, > > soD > > > > using the "$ TCPIP SET MX" command doesn't seem to make much sense...H > > > > I've varied the logical TCPIP$SMTP_MX_IF_NOALTGATE true or false with > no > > > > change on the result.<> > > > > DNS as a resolver or a Master doesn't change anything! > > > >bI > > > > The domain is registered and the ISP allows me to make my own DNS4 > > entries onG > > > > his servers. I have a MX entry on his server which points to myd
 > > firewall./ > > > >eK > > > > Happy weekend, I'll be back Wednesday or Thursday should anybody ben6 > > > > enthusiastic enough to ask me a question or 2! > > > >g > > > If you type" > > > $tcpip show conf smtpsL > > > what does it tell about the "options" is it RELAY or NORELAY. ProbablyL > > > NORELAY, which means that remote machines, like your Pc's, cannot send > > > mail via your VMS-system.i > > >  > > >           Jouk > >l > >  >  >c   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2001 06:05:02 -0700@ From: Dirk.Van.Bouchaute@Kender-Thijssen.be (Dirk Van Bouchaute)K Subject: SMTP mail terminates, 'Fatal error signalled', 'leaving as orphan'i= Message-ID: <383301ac.0110260505.1a7f2e0b@posting.google.com>a   Environment : AXP OpenVms 7.2-1r               TCPIP V5.1-15n  D At a certain moment, outgoing smtp mails cannot be send anymore, theF process terminates and the following messages are logged. A restart ofD the smtp processes solves the problem. Can anyone explain the reason of these messages ?-   All information is welcome !   Thanks in advance   % Dirk.Van.Bouchaute@Kender-Thijssen.bes    D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   12-OCT-2001 06:58:52.84  %%%%%%%%%%%%  $ %TCPIP-I-SMTP_LOGSUC, using log file/ SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG"    D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   12-OCT-2001 06:58:53.12  %%%%%%%%%%%%  4 %TCPIP-I-SMTP_SYMBRUN, symbiont is running the queue TCPIP$SMTP_SIROL6_01    D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   19-OCT-2001 10:29:25.80  %%%%%%%%%%%%  ; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual:: address=0000000000000000, PC=000000000051B8F8, PS=0000001B2 WARNING: Fatal error signalled when processing CF=6 _$1$DKC4:[ROLLS]01101909592755_ROLLSMGR.TCPIP_SIROL6;1 Leaving as orphan6    D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   19-OCT-2001 10:31:10.86  %%%%%%%%%%%%  ; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual : address=0000000000000000, PC=000000000051B8F8, PS=0000001B2 WARNING: Fatal error signalled when processing CF=6 _$1$DKC4:[ROLLS]01101910011278_ROLLSMGR.TCPIP_SIROL6;1 Leaving as orphan     D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   19-OCT-2001 10:32:35.43  %%%%%%%%%%%%  ; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtualr: address=0000000000000000, PC=000000000051B8F8, PS=0000001B2 WARNING: Fatal error signalled when processing CF=6 _$1$DKC4:[ROLLS]01101910323400_ROLLSMGR.TCPIP_SIROL6;1 Leaving as orphane    D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   19-OCT-2001 10:32:39.35  %%%%%%%%%%%%  ; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual": address=0000000000000000, PC=000000000051B8F8, PS=0000001B2 WARNING: Fatal error signalled when processing CF=6 _$1$DKC4:[ROLLS]01101910323845_ROLLSMGR.TCPIP_SIROL6;1 Leaving as orphans    D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   19-OCT-2001 10:32:57.51  %%%%%%%%%%%%  ; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual": address=0000000000000000, PC=000000000051B8F8, PS=0000001B2 WARNING: Fatal error signalled when processing CF=6 _$1$DKC4:[ROLLS]01101910025945_ROLLSMGR.TCPIP_SIROL6;1 Leaving as orphanc@ Error in MX lookup for destination host bxlfax.bxl.fina.be. IOSB status:p CF$$UI$open_cf couldn't open CFd> _$1$DKC4:[ROLLS]01101912040213_ROLLSMGR.TCPIP_SIROL6;1. fd=-1, errno=5, vaxc$errno=10772=. #smtp$do_task\1226 smtp$do_task: open_cf 36 cf6 _$1$DKC4:[ROLLS]01101912040213_ROLLSMGR.TCPIP_SIROL6;1    D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   19-OCT-2001 14:34:05.11  %%%%%%%%%%%%  , %TCPIP-E-SMTP_CFERROR, control file error in6 _$1$DKC4:[ROLLS]01101912040213_ROLLSMGR.TCPIP_SIROL6;1= -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protectioni	 violationi2 WARNING: Fatal error signalled when processing CF=6 _$1$DKC4:[ROLLS]01101912040213_ROLLSMGR.TCPIP_SIROL6;1 Leaving as orphans CF$$UI$open_cf couldn't open CF"> _$1$DKC4:[ROLLS]01101914040561_ROLLSMGR.TCPIP_SIROL6;1. fd=-1, errno=5, vaxc$errno=10772e. #smtp$do_task\1226 smtp$do_task: open_cf 36 cf6 _$1$DKC4:[ROLLS]01101914040561_ROLLSMGR.TCPIP_SIROL6;1    D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   19-OCT-2001 14:34:06.71  %%%%%%%%%%%%  , %TCPIP-E-SMTP_CFERROR, control file error in6 _$1$DKC4:[ROLLS]01101914040561_ROLLSMGR.TCPIP_SIROL6;1= -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection 	 violation/2 WARNING: Fatal error signalled when processing CF=6 _$1$DKC4:[ROLLS]01101914040561_ROLLSMGR.TCPIP_SIROL6;1 Leaving as orphan0 CF$$UI$open_cf couldn't open CFo> _$1$DKC4:[ROLLS]01101911051147_ROLLSMGR.TCPIP_SIROL6;1. fd=-1, errno=5, vaxc$errno=10772o. #smtp$do_task\1226 smtp$do_task: open_cf 36 cf6 _$1$DKC4:[ROLLS]01101911051147_ROLLSMGR.TCPIP_SIROL6;1  - Some information concerning the environment :p   SIROL6 prod show histo; ----------------------------------- ----------- -----------t --------------------D PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    OPERATION   DATE AND TIME; ----------------------------------- ----------- -----------c --------------------; DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.1-15            Full LP     Install    , 07-OCT-2001q 10:57:44; DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.0-10            Full LP     Remove     p 07-OCT-2001c 10:57:44; DEC AXPVMS VMS721_LIBRTL V3.0       Patch       Install      07-OCT-2001o 10:52:27; DEC AXPVMS VMS721_SHADOWING V6.0    Patch       Install    g 07-OCT-2001  10:52:27; DEC AXPVMS VMS721_MANAGE V2.0       Patch       Install    : 07-OCT-2001  10:49:38; DEC AXPVMS VMS721_RENAME_OLD V1.0   Patch       Install    F 07-OCT-2001O 10:49:38; DEC AXPVMS VMS721_RMS V2.0          Patch       Install    a 07-OCT-2001f 10:49:38; DEC AXPVMS VMS721_AUDSRV V1.0       Patch       Install    t 07-OCT-2001e 10:45:27; DEC AXPVMS VMS721_F11X V3.0         Patch       Install    c 07-OCT-2001  10:45:27; DEC AXPVMS VMS721_SYS V10.0         Patch       Install      07-OCT-2001  10:40:05; DEC AXPVMS VMS721_UPDATE V3.0       Patch       Install    a 07-OCT-2001n 10:37:14; DEC AXPVMS VMS721_PCSI V1.0         Patch       Install    r 07-OCT-2001e 10:26:06; DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.2-1   Full LP     Install    e 07-OCT-2001t 10:05:47; DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-5           Full LP     Install    u 07-OCT-2001  10:05:47; DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.2-1           Platform    Install    u 07-OCT-2001a 10:05:47; DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.0-10            Full LP     Install      07-OCT-2001  10:05:47; DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.2-1               Oper System Install    i 07-OCT-2001  10:05:47; DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.1-2   Full LP     Remove     n 07-OCT-2001n 10:05:47; DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-4           Full LP     Remove     e 07-OCT-2001  10:05:47; DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.1-2           Platform    Remove       07-OCT-2001  10:05:47; DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.1-2               Oper System Remove     R 07-OCT-2001R 10:05:47; DEC AXPVMS VMS712_UPDATE V3.0       Patch       Remove     5 07-OCT-20012 10:05:47; DEC AXPVMS UCX V4.2-21              Full LP     Remove     M 07-OCT-2001e 09:07:45; DEC AXPVMS UCXECO_42_4 V4.0         Patch       Remove     d 07-OCT-2001  09:07:45     SIROL6 prod show prodr< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------5 PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    STATEo< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------9 DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.2-1   Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-5           Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.2-1           Platform    Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS RCM V3.2-417             Full LP     Installedh9 DEC AXPVMS SWXCR V2.0               Full LP     Installed.9 DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.1-15            Full LP     Installedo9 DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.2-1               Oper System Installed < ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:21:15 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: Spiralog (was Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL)A Message-ID: <L98C7.45142$b47.5051766@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   : David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3BD8C9B5.4B559505@fsi.net...h > Phillip Helbig wrote:s > >aD > > > remember "SPIRALOG", the 64 bit file system to replace RMS ...  F Spiralog had nothing to do with record management:  it was designed toH replace not even ODS-2, but its underpinnings (i.e., to support an ODS-2I interface and many of the ODS-2 internals but make the underlying storage3 log-structured).    why wasL > > > that killed?  i asked several people in software support and they saidH > > > because of poor performance ... i don't buy that, if that was true theyK > > > would have never finished it for release ... i think oracle had a lot1 toK > > > do with killing it as spiralog would have decreased sales for oracle,R) > > > rdb, and other high priced db's ...e > >- > > Please explain.  :-| >0H > Curious. I thought Spiralog was abandoned because it didn't work, just > like host-based snapshots.  K Someone told me (it may have been Andy, who was a Spiralog enthusiast earlyoK on) that the product just didn't provide the expected performance advantagegG over good old ODS-2 that had been anticipated, plus was a bit squirrely J around the edges (especially at disk-full conditions).  The combination is" supposedly what led to its demise.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2001 08:35:53 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)s6 Subject: Re: Spiralog (was Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL)3 Message-ID: <xeIm3EyuQHgT@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  n In article <L98C7.45142$b47.5051766@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: >   I >> Curious. I thought Spiralog was abandoned because it didn't work, juste >> like host-based snapshots.r > M > Someone told me (it may have been Andy, who was a Spiralog enthusiast earlyeM > on) that the product just didn't provide the expected performance advantage I > over good old ODS-2 that had been anticipated, plus was a bit squirrelyrL > around the edges (especially at disk-full conditions).  The combination is$ > supposedly what led to its demise. >   + 	I heard from someone a few years back thate? 	disk full condition (or approaching) was indeed a major issue.eE 	Couple that with caching that wasn't quite up to snuff.  Both issuesa$ 	in this person's opinion - fixable.  : 	Funny thing... few years out and now Compaq launches HSV:  I http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/announcements/10-22-2001.htmlr  > 	XFC and follow-ons promise (and provide) outstanding caching.   	I was/am a Spiralog fan too.n  B 	The main advantage as I saw it with Spiralog was tail-end writingG 	or in place writes.  But random read I/O is random read I/O is random eG 	read I/O (the main enemy) and with HSV and XFC ... may not be able to  - 	attack random read I/O any better than that.B  D 	Spiralog would have been a great thing for desktop and stand-alone,C 	but in DataCenter where HSV and follow-ons from others will be thea@ 	order of the day - in a year or two - seems Spiralog going away2 	or never showing up ... isn't that big of a deal.   				Robd   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:41:17 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 6 Subject: Re: Spiralog (was Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL)8 Message-ID: <e5tittkmf9mus43t5v3npdqatoa4fck0hk@4ax.com>  D On 26 Oct 2001 08:35:53 -0500, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote:     >n, >	I heard from someone a few years back that@ >	disk full condition (or approaching) was indeed a major issue.F >	Couple that with caching that wasn't quite up to snuff.  Both issues% >	in this person's opinion - fixable.A  E I took part in the early Spiralog Field Test program and it certainly-F wan't the complete dog it's often made out to be. I have no doubt thatC it could have been developed on but DEC/Compaq wanted to close downeD the Livingston (Edinburgh  EDO) VMS team developing it. in any case.  E I've spoken to some of the people very closely involved with SpiralogyD management and I know at least one member of the team involved still$ reads c.o.v and may comment further.    C >	The main advantage as I saw it with Spiralog was tail-end writingnH >	or in place writes.  But random read I/O is random read I/O is random H >	read I/O (the main enemy) and with HSV and XFC ... may not be able to . >	attack random read I/O any better than that.  F Yes, the write once, rarely read assumption behind log-structured file8 systems never turned out to be quite so true in reality.   > E >	Spiralog would have been a great thing for desktop and stand-alone, D >	but in DataCenter where HSV and follow-ons from others will be theA >	order of the day - in a year or two - seems Spiralog going awayd3 >	or never showing up ... isn't that big of a deal.t >o >				Rob   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2001 08:10:32 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 6 Subject: Re: Spiralog (was Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL)= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0110260710.3827b438@posting.google.com>r  h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<ouIlTLtuw6Lw@eisner.encompasserve.org>...K > Spiralog was designed from the outset to favor write-mostly applications.nG > The market for that is minimal, but if your server happened to be oneaF > where such a bias is appropriate, the approach would have been good.  D The basic assumption was that with main memory becoming so large andF inexpensive, large read caches would end up satisfying almost all readF operations, so the next performance bottleneck to overcome would be in/ handling the write traffic which was left over.a  B I don't think Spiralog read performance, even with large memories, lived up to expectations.   B Log-structured technology, which Spiralog was based on, can indeedA provide excellent write performance.  Unfortunately, placing datasD where it is convenient for write performance won't often put it in a? good place for subsequent read performance.  But log-structured0E storage introduces a level of mapping between the file system and the ? physical disk storage that could in theory provide you with the D flexibility to rearrange the data (in the background, after it landsD on disk) so that it is in the most convenient and efficient location< for subsequent reads (by monitoring read access patterns andF rearranging the data on disk into the order you expect it will be readC in).  Then the disk track read-ahead buffers that all disks seem toT? have these days would tend to contain the data to be read next.r  F Spiralog did not do this; I sat in a meeting where it was decided thatD to preserve Polycenter File Optimizer revenues, disk defragmentation? would not be included in the segment cleaner, where it arguablye= belonged, but in that layered product.  So much for doing any;& optimization while segment-cleaning...  < What has happened instead in practice is that large read and? write-back caches in storage controllers have tended to provideoE acceptable I/O performance on VMS in most cases.  Write latencies are F hidden by the write-back cache, up to the point where the write volumeF exceeds what the back-end devices can handle, even after write mergingD and I/O consolidation by the controller (and not many workloads tend to reach that level).a  D Yes, it would be possible to provide lower I/O latencies with better? host-based caching (and XFC is a long-overdue step in the rightpD direction), but we've gotten by without it for many years, thanks to controller technology.  D But I can envision a cluster where each node contains some amount ofD battery-backed NVRAM, and Memory Channel or similar hardware is usedC to keep caches coherent and up-to-date at high speed between nodes, B providing mirrored-cache capability between VMS nodes.  This wouldE hide the latency of most of the round-trips out to the controller for  I/Os.AC -------------------------------------------------------------------,C Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | VMS consulting on:mC Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Internals, Performance, Storage & I/ON   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2001 08:37:43 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)6 Subject: Re: Spiralog (was Re: BCC support in VMSMAIL)= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110260737.58c40d71@posting.google.com>n  s "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<L98C7.45142$b47.5051766@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...k< > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3BD8C9B5.4B559505@fsi.net...  > > Phillip Helbig wrote:  > > >yF > > > > remember "SPIRALOG", the 64 bit file system to replace RMS ... > H > Spiralog had nothing to do with record management:  it was designed toJ > replace not even ODS-2, but its underpinnings (i.e., to support an ODS-2K > interface and many of the ODS-2 internals but make the underlying storage- > log-structured). >  >  > - bill  P sipralog was to allow backups on open for update rms files ... that is something you can not currently do ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:49:57 +02002= From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com> > Subject: Re: Where to find the DCL command procedure document?( Message-ID: <3BD915A5.B27C184@dummy.com>   You could always start with :s   $ HELP DCL_TIPS    and/or   $ HELP HINTS  - The rest of the HELP system in VMS is full ofe	 examples.e  & Also check the "OpenVMS User's Manual"( at : http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/   Jan-Erik Sderholm.b   Cheng-Liang Shen wrote:  > I > Can anyone tell me where I can find the DCL command procedure tutorial? 6 > It had better have many examples to imitate. Thanks. >  > Chengliang   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2001 06:06:06 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)C> Subject: Re: Where to find the DCL command procedure document?3 Message-ID: <IIAke7s$n4pG@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  o In article <3BD889F9.35CF85D2@cas.honeywell.com>, Cheng-Liang Shen <Cheng-Liang.Shen@cas.honeywell.com> writes:eI > Can anyone tell me where I can find the DCL command procedure tutorial?.. > It had better have many examples to imitate.  A No, it is better to understand what the individual operations do,E rather than blindly immitating.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:55:32 +02000= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>K, Subject: Re: Windows XP reality check please) Message-ID: <3BD94124.F6C83C92@gtech.com>    JF Mezei wrote:CI > OK, Microsoft is attempting to trumpet its new revolutionary Windows XPs > operating system.  > M > What is radically different in XP than in previous versions ? Are there aregM > serious imporvements in terms of an "enterprise" side of things (clustering6 > etc etc) ? > = > What about on desktops, are there any significant changes ?5  * I am not aware of any significant changes.  6 But MS needs to release new versions often to maintain a stable income.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:30:41 -0400L0 From: "Jeff Morgan" <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com>, Subject: Re: Windows XP reality check please- Message-ID: <9rbl4k$39og$1@news3.infoave.net>E  J Ok, its a bit expensive just for these enhancements, but here are a few of my likes about the new OS...  D - Caps lock warning when entering your password at the login screen.  I - A warning pops up if your network connection disappears, ie, cable getso  unplugged, switch goes down, etc  I - Network troubleshooting page - goes out and pings your default gateway,]L dns, and a slew of other tests. Help desks around the world should like this one.  G - I can't get my memorex cd burner to work, but I like the idea of thatSH function being built-in to the OS. All I want is a simple drag and drop,K then hit the burn button. I don't need fancy software to generate Cd labels[: and create databases and lists.   (I do all that on VMS :)  L - RDP client pre-installed so I can get to my Windows Terminal Server box atK the office to read my Notes mail and telecommute. Saves me from cludging upIG my home machine with all the software I would need for business. Let my45 company's Deskside support deal with those headaches.   K - Remote desktop support will let me help my wife when I'm at the office...$ (haven't tried it yet)  : - Multimedia and graphics additions. Much better than NT4.  I Is it worth $299? $199? No. Probably not. But it has been very stable and  eXcursion works just fine.  L What can you do, VMS is no longer a viable GENERIC desktop os. All the toolsH are outdated or sluggish compared to MS-based tools (IE, OE, CD burning,4 Scanners, USB devices, Multimedia Play/Record, etc).  L But, I still use X-windows, XV and Imagemagick on the VMS side to create allI my content for my family OSU web server. XV is really an awesome tool for7I repairing and improving digital photographs. Photoshop and all the others1D are overkill for simply changing light balance and color saturation.  7 "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message-# news:3BD94124.F6C83C92@gtech.com...t > JF Mezei wrote:-K > > OK, Microsoft is attempting to trumpet its new revolutionary Windows XPE > > operating system.- >-, > I am not aware of any significant changes. >- > Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:02:00 -0400 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>, Subject: Re: Windows XP reality check please; Message-ID: <261020011102003866%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>   D In article <az5C7.2400$2K5.231131@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,- mulp <michaelpettengill@earthlink.net> wrote:S  L > I'm watching Mr Bill on Charlie Rose right now and Mr Bill has just statedI > that they have calculated that Windows XP will save you a week per year4E > because of not having to reboot, faster reboots and shutdowns, etc.O  $ Mulp, good to see you in here again.  E I laughed when the news of Bill's new OS was on the radio yesterday. VE It's amazing that each time Microsoft releases a new OS, they tout it4= as "much better and more stable than the old crappy version".   B At least they've finally admitted that those who work with WindozeG computers have been wasting a lot of time dealing with poor OS quality.   G Imagine that, having an operating system that doesn't make you reboot. H$ Gee, where could I get one of those?   Paul   -- t  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Compaq Computer Corporationu   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:28:19 +0100n% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> , Subject: Re: Windows XP reality check please8 Message-ID: <750jtt09bt0i1e34r218m96d17lmea0e93@4ax.com>  1 On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:02:00 -0400, Paul Anderson # <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> wrote:V  E >In article <az5C7.2400$2K5.231131@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,T. >mulp <michaelpettengill@earthlink.net> wrote: >TM >> I'm watching Mr Bill on Charlie Rose right now and Mr Bill has just stated J >> that they have calculated that Windows XP will save you a week per yearF >> because of not having to reboot, faster reboots and shutdowns, etc. > % >Mulp, good to see you in here again.: > F >I laughed when the news of Bill's new OS was on the radio yesterday. F >It's amazing that each time Microsoft releases a new OS, they tout it> >as "much better and more stable than the old crappy version".  E The main BBC evening news yesterday introduced the XP launch coverage B with the words "A very rich man bids to get even richer". Liked it     -- Alan   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.596 ************************