1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 30 Oct 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 603       Contents: 2nd hand quote from Jim Seymour # Re: 2nd hand quote from Jim Seymour , Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS, Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS, Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS, Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS/ Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld , Re: CLD & error handling from within program Re: Compaq blasts HP Re: Compaq blasts HP Re: Compaq blasts HP Re: Compaq blasts HP Re: Compaq blasts HP Re: Compaq blasts HP Re: Compaq blasts HP Re: Compaq financial humour !  Re: Compaq financial humour !  Re: Compaq financial humour !  Re: Compaq financial humour ! ! Re: Delta time between two date's  Re: EMC Symmetrix on OpenVMS ?= Ghostscript 7.03 and the new Ghostscript API (not yet) on VMS ) Re: Global Sections for IPC - performance ) Re: Global Sections for IPC - performance ! half off fire sale on windows xp! % Re: half off fire sale on windows xp! % Re: half off fire sale on windows xp! % Re: half off fire sale on windows xp! % Re: half off fire sale on windows xp! % Re: half off fire sale on windows xp!  Increase index file on disk  Re: Increase index file on disk # Re: Installing CC060 on VMS VAX 6.1 # Re: Installing CC060 on VMS VAX 6.1  Re: Mitnick Uncaged ! Re: Single or Multiple Sys Disks?  Re: SSH for Alpha VMS  Steps to the merger % Re: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM % RE: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM % RE: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM % Re: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM % RE: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM % RE: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM % Re: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM % Re: trying to setup a TF86 tape drive * Re: VMS7.3,AS7.3 & external authentication9 Re: windows xp already hacked ... while vms "unhackable"! # Re: Windows XP reality check please   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:33:18 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> ( Subject: 2nd hand quote from Jim Seymour+ Message-ID: <3BDDE73E.74EA26E6@caltech.edu>    There are references in:  A   http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/markets/bestoftsc/10003030.html   D to an article by Jim Seymour entitled "Little Hope Left for Compaq". 2nd hand but here's 4 an indication (3rd hand) of the original's contents:  B  Seymour picks apart numbers from the company's earnings report on Tuesday @   -- and hates what he found: business sinking across the board.  F There is a link to the original article from the above URL but I don't have a subscription 4 to thestreet.com and so can't tell you what it says.  7 If anybody has read the original please post a summary.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2001 18:08:09 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) , Subject: Re: 2nd hand quote from Jim Seymour3 Message-ID: <J7+cctvHZ4aZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <3BDDE73E.74EA26E6@caltech.edu>, David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> writes:  > 9 > If anybody has read the original please post a summary.  >   9 	This may not be what you are looking for but pretty much  	sums things up nonetheless:  / http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/011018/n18364607_3.html   + Sun Micro posts loss, sales drop 43 percent   O Sales dropped 43 percent from a year earlier, to $2.86 billion from $5 billion, L and reversed most of the whopping 60 percent rise in revenue Sun reported in
 October 2000.   O Debra McNeill, a portfolio manager at Fremont Investment Advisors, said she had L sold all her shares in Sun but gave the firm some credit for hitting the topD end of its revised outlook. ``It could have been worse,'' she said.      				Rob    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Oct 2001 04:49:05 GMT3 From: vance@alumni.caltech.edu (Vance R. Haemmerle) 5 Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS , Message-ID: <9rlbg1$h46@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  , In article <3BDD1DB7.A361E9D2@videotron.ca>,/ JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  >from:6 >http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/odyssey/mission/command.html >## K >All of Odyssey's computing functions are performed by the command and data I >handling subsystem. The heart of this subsystem is a RAD6000 computer, a F >radiation-hardened version of the PowerPC chip used on most models ofJ >Macintosh computers. With 128 megabytes of random access memory (RAM) andL >three megabytes of non-volatile memory, which allows the system to maintainJ >data even without power, the subsystem runs Odyssey's flight software and8 >controls the spacecraft through interface electronics.   I    The Cassini orbiter, on a mission to Saturn, uses a radiation hardened I Mips R3000 chip.  There was a time when Digital sold systems based on the  R3000.   -- Vance Haemmerle  vance@alumni.caltech.edu   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Oct 2001 04:56:36 GMT3 From: vance@alumni.caltech.edu (Vance R. Haemmerle) 5 Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS , Message-ID: <9rlbu4$hdl@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  H In article <y4g082r6tb.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>,I Jan Vorbrueggen  <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote: + >You would also need VxWorks for the Alpha.  > I >As the same chip was used on Mars Pathfinder in 1997, this must be "old" 
 >technology.    I   "Better, Faster, Cheaper" usually requires lots of reuse of design work  and flight spares.   -- Vance Haemmerle  vance@alumni.caltech.edu   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 04:57:01 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>5 Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS = Message-ID: <xqqD7.25128$f6.12215558@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   @ "Vance R. Haemmerle" <vance@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in message& news:9rlbg1$h46@gap.cco.caltech.edu.... > In article <3BDD1DB7.A361E9D2@videotron.ca>,1 > JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  > >from:8 > >http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/odyssey/mission/command.html > >## H > >All of Odyssey's computing functions are performed by the command and dataK > >handling subsystem. The heart of this subsystem is a RAD6000 computer, a H > >radiation-hardened version of the PowerPC chip used on most models ofL > >Macintosh computers. With 128 megabytes of random access memory (RAM) andE > >three megabytes of non-volatile memory, which allows the system to  maintainL > >data even without power, the subsystem runs Odyssey's flight software and9 > >controls the spacecraft through interface electronics.  > K >    The Cassini orbiter, on a mission to Saturn, uses a radiation hardened K > Mips R3000 chip.  There was a time when Digital sold systems based on the  > R3000.  L January 10, 1989 was the date of the Mips/Ultrix DECstation launch. The MipsI era came to a screeching halt shortly after the dawn of the all-too-brief 
 Age of Alpha.   J Apropos to OpenVMS, DEC for a time toyed with the idea of porting the MicaK VMS implementation to the Mips architecture. For reasons best known to DEC, D the Merlin, Kestrel, and Raven platforms never saw the light of day.   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Oct 2001 06:09:34 GMT3 From: vance@alumni.caltech.edu (Vance R. Haemmerle) 5 Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity for Alpha/VMS , Message-ID: <9rlg6u$j37@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  = In article <xqqD7.25128$f6.12215558@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, 3 Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  > A >"Vance R. Haemmerle" <vance@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in message ' >news:9rlbg1$h46@gap.cco.caltech.edu...  >>L >>    The Cassini orbiter, on a mission to Saturn, uses a radiation hardenedL >> Mips R3000 chip.  There was a time when Digital sold systems based on the	 >> R3000.  > M >January 10, 1989 was the date of the Mips/Ultrix DECstation launch. The Mips J >era came to a screeching halt shortly after the dawn of the all-too-brief >Age of Alpha. > K >Apropos to OpenVMS, DEC for a time toyed with the idea of porting the Mica L >VMS implementation to the Mips architecture. For reasons best known to DEC,E >the Merlin, Kestrel, and Raven platforms never saw the light of day.   K    What a strange coincidence!  While working for the Cassini ISS team, two I of the machines I managed were a DEC 3000/400 running OpenVMS named RAVEN E and a Digital Personal Workstation 433au running Tru64 named Kestrel.    -- Vance Haemmerle  vance@alumni.caltech.edu   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Oct 2001 22:47:01 GMT. From: lewisx@xomega.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)8 Subject: Re: assaults on web servers from the billyworld( Message-ID: <9rkm95$qji$1@top.mitre.org>   vance@alumni.caltech.edu (Vance R. Haemmerle) writes in article <9rfjrs$kg5@gap.cco.caltech.edu> dated 28 Oct 2001 00:35:08 GMT:J >>I don't believe that the "attacking" code behaves like a web browser andH >>thus the redirect is probably ignored and moot.  If somebody can prove' >>otherwise, I'd like to hear about it.  > F >   If the web server interaction code were copied from somewhere elseN >it might respect redirects.  One could hope.  If not, then the virus wouldn'tN >get the yadda.html file either and the "redirect"s in Wayne's HTTP_PATHS.CONF* >file should be changed to "map"s to work.  H I think the best way to slow down a virus like this would be to hang itsF HTTP connection.  This isn't tcp-compliant, but if you could make yourL machine drop the connection without telling the attacking machine, the virus would hang, right?  K With existing software, I think mapping the billy-weak URLs to a very large J file on a very slow disk would be the closest thing.  Future viruses might" disconnect after a timeout though.  - --Keith Lewis              klewisx@xmitre.org + There are no x's in my real e-mail address.  PGP key available.          > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:15:08 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 5 Subject: Re: CLD & error handling from within program ' Message-ID: <3BDE294C.1E9AEEC5@fsi.net>    Michael Zarlenga wrote:  > 2 > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:H > :> : %CLI-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spelling > :> :  \HUGO\ > $ > : ...and it was a warning at that. > A > I must be getting forgetful, because as I remember CLD/CLI, bad C > keywords were trapped by the CLI and the program never sees them.   E I suppose that should be true; however, there needs to be some signal E passed back so the program knows it should not attempt to process any H further and should take appropriate action: either exit or prompt again.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:04:36 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Compaq blasts HP > Message-ID: <8LhD7.160585$vq.39317471@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  3 "John McLean" <mcleanj@dplanet.ch> wrote in message $ news:3BDDA622.DCFD09FC@dplanet.ch... >  >  > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > > < > > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message/ news:<g3S$dBxVYdaP@eisner.encompasserve.org>... I > > > In article <ovaqttkpbt1219orh6g2searh847a8tafa@4ax.com>, Alan Greig  <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: > > > > K > > > > There's an astonishing Compaq internal memo quoted on The Inquirer.  ItH > > > > says HP sales have been  hammering Compaq sales since the mergerD > > > > announcement and spreading 'FUD'. Compaq goes on the attack.F > > > > Unfortunately., imho, with words only. HP sales say one thing. Compaq > > > > sales say another. > > > D > > > Prior to merger, US law requires they act as true competitors. > > J > > forget emulators ... you will kill roughly half of the cpu ... i had aJ > > brief stint on an ibm as400 running system34 emulation under os400 andK > > it absolutely killed the cpu ... hp unix doing the same thing on itanic L > > will perform worse!  charon vax is also in the same boat and no one fromI > > compaq hp or whatever better try to push a vms emulator on me ... the  portK > > to itanic better be done and the new vms better perform or we will stay  onJ > > alpha as long as we can (10 years?) then goto ibm ... ibm charges highJ > > prices for inferior products but at least they understand the high end and F > > their risc processor is improving ... why couldn't have ibm bought digital,8 > > they would have known what to do with alpha and vms! > E > I heard a story some time ago about Digital (yes, it was back then) J > creating an emulator (on Alpha) for one of IBM's operating systems.  TheE > rumour was that it was good stuff but fearing a look-and-feel court - > battle, DEC dropped any ideas in that area.  > ( > Does anyone know any more about this ? >   I Never saw the code, nor can I remember if the source OS was OS400 or MVS, K but the tale is familiar indeed. Given that DEC started fooling around with C binary code translation and emulation technology back in 1983 or so A (Macro-32 to native SAFE* instruction translator) it's not at all  surprising.   L *SAFE = Simplified Architecture for Fast Execution, an early post-TITAN RISC$ project cloaked in a non-RISCy name.   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Oct 2001 19:08:28 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: Compaq blasts HP , Message-ID: <9rk9fc$2mc0$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  * In article <3BDDA622.DCFD09FC@dplanet.ch>,)  John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch> writes:  |>  F |> I heard a story some time ago about Digital (yes, it was back then)K |> creating an emulator (on Alpha) for one of IBM's operating systems.  The F |> rumour was that it was good stuff but fearing a look-and-feel court. |> battle, DEC dropped any ideas in that area. |>  ) |> Does anyone know any more about this ?  |>    D Well, Bob Supnik's emulator package that dates back to the days when? I am fairly certain he was a DECie includes IBM-1401 emulation. = But somehow I can't see IBM caring one way or the other.  :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:32:30 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Compaq blasts HP , Message-ID: <3BDDCAED.9B4E2D06@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote: A > Oh, I'm sure EV7 systems will appear. I just doubt they will be H > developed as far as current roadmaps suggest. Production quantity willE > go way down and hence the price will rocket for those customers who  > actually need them.   K It depends on what the actual roadplan will be. If they continue with EV79, V then EV79 will get a large production run to stockpile the chips for a 10 year supply.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:38:38 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Compaq blasts HP , Message-ID: <3BDDCC5D.36D023F4@videotron.ca>   Bob Ceculski wrote: H > forget emulators ... you will kill roughly half of the cpu ... i had aH > brief stint on an ibm as400 running system34 emulation under os400 andI > it absolutely killed the cpu ... hp unix doing the same thing on itanic  > will perform worse!     J But look at how 68000 emulation runs on MAC with powerpc chips. If you areN running the same OS with the same system services (which was not the case with AS400 emulating another OS).    I Where emulation does wonder is when you can recompile perhaps 90% of your N applications, including the core stuff and only the last 10% is "lost" and youG can't find the source code etc. Having the ability to emulate that less N important 10% gives you the ability to move everything to the new platform and drop the old one.   H Compare this to messaging on VMS where Digital chose not to port MessageL Router, forcing those who migrated to Alpha to keep VMS nodes to run the MTAM backbone.  Having built-in emulator would have allowed shops to also move the M MR stuff to their new alpha machine.  (In hindsight, since Digital was intent0F on giving that market where it used to be a leader to Microsoft, it isM understandable that they chose to break its legs and let it fall on its own).e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:53:35 GMTy' From: bad bob <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net>u Subject: Re: Compaq blasts HPs0 Message-ID: <3BDDD074.C3DCDCF4@bellatlantic.net>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:r > 5 > "John McLean" <mcleanj@dplanet.ch> wrote in messageb& > news:3BDDA622.DCFD09FC@dplanet.ch... > >a > >P > > Bob Ceculski wrote:e > > >q> > > > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message <<snipped>>e > > >qL > > > forget emulators ... you will kill roughly half of the cpu ... i had aL > > > brief stint on an ibm as400 running system34 emulation under os400 andM > > > it absolutely killed the cpu ... hp unix doing the same thing on itaniclN > > > will perform worse!  charon vax is also in the same boat and no one fromK > > > compaq hp or whatever better try to push a vms emulator on me ... the  > portM > > > to itanic better be done and the new vms better perform or we will stayf > onL > > > alpha as long as we can (10 years?) then goto ibm ... ibm charges highL > > > prices for inferior products but at least they understand the high end > andeH > > > their risc processor is improving ... why couldn't have ibm bought
 > digital,: > > > they would have known what to do with alpha and vms! > >XG > > I heard a story some time ago about Digital (yes, it was back then) L > > creating an emulator (on Alpha) for one of IBM's operating systems.  TheG > > rumour was that it was good stuff but fearing a look-and-feel courtO/ > > battle, DEC dropped any ideas in that area.M > >A* > > Does anyone know any more about this ? > >r > K > Never saw the code, nor can I remember if the source OS was OS400 or MVS, M > but the tale is familiar indeed. Given that DEC started fooling around with E > binary code translation and emulation technology back in 1983 or souC > (Macro-32 to native SAFE* instruction translator) it's not at all4
 > surprising.e > N > *SAFE = Simplified Architecture for Fast Execution, an early post-TITAN RISC& > project cloaked in a non-RISCy name.F And there was the bootleg 360/370 emulation on the KL, circa 79 or so.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:00:18 GMTa4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Compaq blasts HPf> Message-ID: <SjkD7.160711$vq.39388523@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  4 "bad bob" <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message* news:3BDDD074.C3DCDCF4@bellatlantic.net... > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > >y   > > >r, > > > Does anyone know any more about this ? > > >  > >iH > > Never saw the code, nor can I remember if the source OS was OS400 or MVS,J > > but the tale is familiar indeed. Given that DEC started fooling around withG > > binary code translation and emulation technology back in 1983 or sorE > > (Macro-32 to native SAFE* instruction translator) it's not at alla > > surprising.  > >sK > > *SAFE = Simplified Architecture for Fast Execution, an early post-TITANi RISC( > > project cloaked in a non-RISCy name.H > And there was the bootleg 360/370 emulation on the KL, circa 79 or so.  L Good catch, I must have forgotten this early effort. Anyhoo, I can full wellK understand why IBM might have been a tad miffed if DEC managed to create ansB MVS environment on VAX, especially during the heyday of VAX/VMS...   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:51:54 GMTt' From: bad bob <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net>a Subject: Re: Compaq blasts HPm0 Message-ID: <3BDDD010.FAF2F14E@bellatlantic.net>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:w > 5 > "John McLean" <mcleanj@dplanet.ch> wrote in message-& > news:3BDDA622.DCFD09FC@dplanet.ch... > >m > >c > > Bob Ceculski wrote:c > > >e> > > > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message <<snipped>>  > > >$L > > > forget emulators ... you will kill roughly half of the cpu ... i had aL > > > brief stint on an ibm as400 running system34 emulation under os400 andM > > > it absolutely killed the cpu ... hp unix doing the same thing on itanic N > > > will perform worse!  charon vax is also in the same boat and no one fromK > > > compaq hp or whatever better try to push a vms emulator on me ... thei > portM > > > to itanic better be done and the new vms better perform or we will stayo > onL > > > alpha as long as we can (10 years?) then goto ibm ... ibm charges highL > > > prices for inferior products but at least they understand the high end > andcH > > > their risc processor is improving ... why couldn't have ibm bought
 > digital,: > > > they would have known what to do with alpha and vms! > > G > > I heard a story some time ago about Digital (yes, it was back then)aL > > creating an emulator (on Alpha) for one of IBM's operating systems.  TheG > > rumour was that it was good stuff but fearing a look-and-feel courtH/ > > battle, DEC dropped any ideas in that area.t > > * > > Does anyone know any more about this ? > >c > K > Never saw the code, nor can I remember if the source OS was OS400 or MVS,,M > but the tale is familiar indeed. Given that DEC started fooling around withYE > binary code translation and emulation technology back in 1983 or sosC > (Macro-32 to native SAFE* instruction translator) it's not at all 
 > surprising.e > N > *SAFE = Simplified Architecture for Fast Execution, an early post-TITAN RISC& > project cloaked in a non-RISCy name.F And there was the bootleg 360/370 emulation on the KL, circa 79 or so.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:16:31 -0600A1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>D& Subject: Re: Compaq financial humour !' Message-ID: <3BDE299F.B351F761@fsi.net>c   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:n > ; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messageB) > news:87k7xkr0ez.fsf@prep.synonet.com... 3 > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:h > >/H > > > > > By the way, did anyone else notice a total absence of anythingF > > > > > about the transfer of Alpha to Intel ?  What did Compaq do ?# > > > > > Did they give it away ???t > > H > > > Considering that on June 25 when Alpha was murdered, Curly alreadyI > > > knew that he was going to hand over Compaq to Carly, I would not bemI > > > surprised if the Alpha deal with Intel was structured in such a waya0 > > > to benefit HP once the merger is consumed. > >wB > > > So payment for the murder of Alpha may start only next year. > >c? > > Do you mean after HP take over? If so, the Q's shareholderst$ > > would have a field day in court! > >n > K > Yet another reason to buy a few shares of CPQ while the stock price is inoM > the cellar. One share will get you the coveted ducat that guarantees access F > to stockholder meetings. What's more, said ownership will make you aI > potential party to any class-action litigation that might rear its headt > sometime down the road...   4 Hhmmm... is that a hint or possibly a suggestion...?   -- o David J. DachteraC dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/O   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 04:29:55 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>& Subject: Re: Compaq financial humour != Message-ID: <71qD7.25125$f6.12203424@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>a  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3BDE299F.B351F761@fsi.net...a > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:e  > > > >wJ > > Yet another reason to buy a few shares of CPQ while the stock price is inH > > the cellar. One share will get you the coveted ducat that guarantees accessH > > to stockholder meetings. What's more, said ownership will make you aK > > potential party to any class-action litigation that might rear its heade > > sometime down the road...w >f6 > Hhmmm... is that a hint or possibly a suggestion...?  L Suggestion only. If I was gonna mount a class action lawsuit, I can think ofJ more deserving targets than Compaq. Cross Country Bank and its vile credit% card billing practices comes to mind.   I But ya never know... SOMEONE might see fit to hire a lawyer and start thenL ball rolling. Alternatively, HP might successfully assimilate Compaq. EitherL way, ten bucks is a cheap price to pay for a seat at the Annual Shareholders Meeting.   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Oct 2001 05:11:08 GMT3 From: vance@alumni.caltech.edu (Vance R. Haemmerle)m& Subject: Re: Compaq financial humour !, Message-ID: <9rlcpc$hms@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  > In article <69eD7.160425$vq.39219160@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,3 Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:i > : >"Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message( >news:87k7xkr0ez.fsf@prep.synonet.com...2 >> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >>G >> > > > By the way, did anyone else notice a total absence of anythingdE >> > > > about the transfer of Alpha to Intel ?  What did Compaq do ?r" >> > > > Did they give it away ??? >>G >> > Considering that on June 25 when Alpha was murdered, Curly alreadytH >> > knew that he was going to hand over Compaq to Carly, I would not beH >> > surprised if the Alpha deal with Intel was structured in such a way/ >> > to benefit HP once the merger is consumed.T >>A >> > So payment for the murder of Alpha may start only next year.a >>> >> Do you mean after HP take over? If so, the Q's shareholders# >> would have a field day in court!i >> >oJ >Yet another reason to buy a few shares of CPQ while the stock price is inL >the cellar. One share will get you the coveted ducat that guarantees accessE >to stockholder meetings. What's more, said ownership will make you ahH >potential party to any class-action litigation that might rear its head >sometime down the road...  D    This advice if taken at any time in the last two years was just aJ prescription to lose money.  You suppose that the management of CPQ cares G about their shareholders, I think they think less of their shareholderse. than their VMS customers (I have been both).     -- Vance Haemmerle  vance@alumni.caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 01:31:43 -0500k- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> & Subject: Re: Compaq financial humour !, Message-ID: <3BDE494C.E739AF84@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:sK > But ya never know... SOMEONE might see fit to hire a lawyer and start thesN > ball rolling. Alternatively, HP might successfully assimilate Compaq. EitherN > way, ten bucks is a cheap price to pay for a seat at the Annual Shareholders
 > Meeting.   What is the point ?g  K Compaq is a decimated company. It has reached the point of no return in thenL long term killing of Digital's assets. HP isn't going to fix that. So eitherM way, it doesn't make a difference to VMS and Alpha whether Compaq gets killedrM by HP or whether it is allowed to wither away with its insistance on focusings on wintel crap.0  M The only difference I can see is that a standalone Compaq might rely on Alphao for longer than under HP.2   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Oct 2001 20:39 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) * Subject: Re: Delta time between two date's- Message-ID: <29OCT200120391360@gerg.tamu.edu>t  A Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com> writes...e }Jan-Erik Sderholm. }  }PS.> }I still think it would have been nice to be able to calculate< }the delta time between two timestamps directly in DCL using8 }something like f$cvtime. It isn't very efficient to run> }through 100's of lines of DCL for each delta time if you have> }a couple of 100's timestamp pairs to make the calculation on. }I'll check the 3GL examples...o }DS.  @ Well, the whole thing (in it's current version - I touched it up? slightly after posting it, which actually removed an extraneous @ line, modified a line, and added a couple lines of comments nearB the beginning) is actually only 120 lines of DCL (including the 25@ that are just comments), a 14 line chunk of which gets run twiceA as a subroutine. You might get a smidge more efficiency by movingt2 the block of comments at the beginning to the end.  F I'm not sure how inefficient it really is. The DCL in question doesn'tG cause any image activations. It may (or may not) be more efficient thanhF running an EXE once per pair, but almost certainly less efficient than) running an EXE once to do all 100+ pairs.r   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:22:42 -0600w1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ' Subject: Re: EMC Symmetrix on OpenVMS ? ' Message-ID: <3BDE2B12.6A6E04BA@fsi.net>n   Lee Y T Mah wrote: > V > A word of warning.  Using third party storage on VMS systems may negate some aspectsV > of your Compaq support (E.g., HBSV).  Also, Cerner, a large player in the VMS healthV > care field, may not provide support for problems resulting from third-party storage.  7 I suppose that could lead to a lot of finger-pointing. r  H We just had an extended outage (some 16 days or so) because of a problem@ that, at one point during the research phase, was believed to beC defective storage elements (HSGs). It actually turned out to be theuE 64-bit PCI riser cards (GS160 - other sites beware!): I was told that G under certain conditions, they don't generate parity correctly and dataiD on the PCI bus gets scrambled, and can get written to disk (which isG what happened to us). I was also told that Compaq was able to duplicate2D the phenomenon in their laboratory using components removed from our6 installation. We have since reverted to 32-bit risers.  # We are a Cerner customer site, BTW.a   --   David J. DachteraB dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2001 16:11:31 -08005 From: forrest.cahoon@merrillcorp.com (Forrest Cahoon)hF Subject: Ghostscript 7.03 and the new Ghostscript API (not yet) on VMS= Message-ID: <8369d643.0110291611.7ce2c47f@posting.google.com>e  B There's a new release of Ghostscript out, which fixes (among other7 things, I'm sure) some pdf creation problems with 7.00.c  D This is also the first version to introduce a new API which I'm very? interested in experimenting with, but is that's not (currently)d supported under VMS.  9 From http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/AFPL/7.03/API.htm:3  C "The Ghostscript interpreter can be built as a dynamic link libraryCD (DLL) on the Windows or OS/2 platforms and as a shared object on the@ Linux platform. With some changes, it could be built as a staticF library. This document describes the Application Programming Interface/ (API) for the Ghostscript interpreter library."r  F It should certainly be possible to build a sharable image under VMS as< well, I would think.  The build procedure is kind of big andC intimidating to me, and I was, well, kind of sort of hoping someonecB more familiar with building sharable images would be interested in taking a look.   To get the source, see2 http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/AFPL/get703.htm.   Forrest Cahoon$ not speaking for merrill corporation   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:04:18 GMTr2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)2 Subject: Re: Global Sections for IPC - performance3 Message-ID: <mvjD7.1080$RL6.15040@news.cpqcorp.net>g  [ In article <3bdd281f.5550050@news.force9.net>, mark@*NO*SPAM*.co.uk (Mark Williams) writes:      OpenVMS platform and version?   C :We use global sections for IPC between separate processes and haves? :noticed that it is now slower than the old mailbox solution.  n  H   I'd look at ICC or similar, and -- having used both approaches -- I'd G   get out of the business and the effort of writing and supporting youru   own communications.   F :Can anyone suggest any ideas for checking/optimizing the performance?  G   Walk the whole code path with the debugger, and see what the code is     really doing.w  < :Also is there a big overhead in mapping a global section?    I   There is certainly some overhead, but I do not know if will prove to be-"   significant in your environment.  G   Once mapped, global sections are the fastest communications mechanismnE   available.  Notifications and such can suffer, as there is no "doordF   bell" or associated mechanism -- you have to spin (which has its ownD   problems) or you have to use doorbell locks, event flags, or other1   interprocess-capable notification mechanism(s).s  I :At the moment some mappings are done when needed.  Could it be better to7! :do all the mappings on start-up?r  G   Caching work ahead of when it is needed is usually better, though youeH   could run into virtual addressing limits or paging -- depending on how   much data you load.   G   Profile your code using PCA (part of DECset), PC sampling, insertion  C   of timing calls within the code, or other similar technique.  AnduE   really look and see what your code is doing -- I've learned much byiG   the simple expedient of integrating logging and debugging mechanisms tG   into any complex applications.  With a communications mechanism, thisnD   is vital -- having written these, the author of the communicationsH   mechanism will often get blamed for most every application bug lurkingH   in the system.  Occasionally, even correctly blamed.  The logging and C   the integrated debugging was central at resolving these problems.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:36:54 +0100s& From: John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch>2 Subject: Re: Global Sections for IPC - performance* Message-ID: <3BDE4A86.C113E748@dplanet.ch>   Mark Williams wrote: > F > On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:38:33 +0000, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> wrote: >  > >Mark Williams wrote:  > >i > >> Hi, > >>G > >> We use global sections for IPC between separate processes and havelF > >> noticed that it is now slower than the old mailbox solution.  CanF > >> anyone suggest any ideas for checking/optimizing the performance? > >>F > >> Also is there a big overhead in mapping a global section?  At theF > >> moment some mappings are done when needed.  Could it be better to% > >> do all the mappings on start-up?- > >-C > >You may be sharing data between processes using global sections, E > >but what are you using for *communicating* between these processese7 > >(e.g. common event flags, DLM, RPC etc. etc. etc.) ?e >  > sys$hiber, sys$wake. > 2 > We use the lock manager for coordinating access. > F > (The global sections are not mapped to files - we use SEC$M_PAGFIL).    E Is your VMS system busy or is CPU and memory usage usage pretty low ?o  H I'm wondering about overheads with SYS$HIBER and SYS$WAKE, especially ifC this flushes a lot of your working set to the pagefile (or even they
 swapfile).  E Back in the days I wrote something which used global sections to makevD the data accessible but it used an AST delivery mechanism written inF Macro.  Create your own AST block and deliver it.  (They were the good old days !)C  G There's something similar available now on Alpha and it's used a lot in/F realtime processing.  I can't for the life of me remember what it is.  Maybe someone can tell us.  F The point is that it might be a lot faster than sys$hiber and sys$wake& in the environment that you are using.     John McLeanl   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2001 13:28:03 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)* Subject: half off fire sale on windows xp!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0110291328.6a091032@posting.google.com>a  D there have been drastic price reductions on windows xp now in china!D windows xp now available for $.75 ... full office suite versions forD only $2.00! act now! greatly enhanced security over previous windowsC versions! ... read all about it! buy now and receive free IIS! will $ be unhackable (maybe) after rewrite!  ' http://www.theinquirer.net/29100107.htme  C WE REPORTED SOME TIME ago that final betas of Microsoft XP software D were cracked, de-activated and the packaging already copied and evenA as the firm spent millions on its launch last week, the wheels oft% software piracy were turning in Asia.aE But it seems that the problem is far worse than we thought, accordingo" to an informant in mainland China.  F He tells the INQUIRER that he has been running WinXP Pro and Office XP> developer just a day or two after it was released to the major Microsoft partners.a  B He adds that copies are being sold freely on the streets of Xiamen$ China, and have been for many weeks.  @ According to our informant, the price of XP Pro, with serial and7 cracked activation, all self-installing is 75 cents US.b  ? Office XP, Windows XP Pro, and with Plus bundled on six CDs andAE multiple language packs costs a mere $2 US. The counterfeit packagingwD on this picture says that it is the Chinese version, but actually itE is the English version with a Chinese language pack which can then be  used with either language.  @ What the INQUIRER finds really strange about all of this is that? despite the attempts by mainland China to stamp out piracy, the D practice is obviously endemic, and we're still puzzled why Microsoft= itself seems to have the blinkers on and doesn't even want tot> acknowledge that this obviously massive problem for it and its shareholders exists.  ? * THE AVERAGE SALARY of a worker in a Chinese PC factory on they$ mainland is around US$35 a month....   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:43:49 GMT-4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>. Subject: Re: half off fire sale on windows xp!> Message-ID: <p4kD7.160700$vq.39381545@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagea7 news:d7791aa1.0110291328.6a091032@posting.google.com...8F > there have been drastic price reductions on windows xp now in china!F > windows xp now available for $.75 ... full office suite versions for > only $2.00! act now!  J Umm, you get what you pay for. That's why nine out of ten doctors surveyedL agree that OpenVMS is the coolest and most unhackable general-purpose OS you can buy without a prescription.y  J Best of all, thanks to the good folks at the Dallas Fort Worth Compaq UserJ Group, the OpenVMS Hobbyist License is available FREE to all who choose toL run a real OS on a real hardware platform in the privacy of their own homes.  + http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/index.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:54:27 -0600o% From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@isd.net> . Subject: Re: half off fire sale on windows xp!/ Message-ID: <tts58k60g2sqf0@corp.supernews.com>    Terry C. Shannon wrote:t   > 7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagea9 > news:d7791aa1.0110291328.6a091032@posting.google.com... G >> there have been drastic price reductions on windows xp now in china! G >> windows xp now available for $.75 ... full office suite versions for- >> only $2.00! act now!b > L > Umm, you get what you pay for. That's why nine out of ten doctors surveyedJ > agree that OpenVMS is the coolest and most unhackable general-purpose OS% > you can buy without a prescription.  > L > Best of all, thanks to the good folks at the Dallas Fort Worth Compaq UserL > Group, the OpenVMS Hobbyist License is available FREE to all who choose toG > run a real OS on a real hardware platform in the privacy of their own1 > homes. > - > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/index.html     K I'll vouch for Terry.  If you like Linux (and I do) give OpenVMS a try and  B find out what real industrial strength computing is like for free.   -- s Keith Brownk kbrown780@isd.neta   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:40:18 -0600a% From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@isd.net>a. Subject: Re: half off fire sale on windows xp!/ Message-ID: <tts7uc5u9ki4fe@corp.supernews.com>    Terry C. Shannon wrote:o   > 7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messageg9 > news:d7791aa1.0110291328.6a091032@posting.google.com...tG >> there have been drastic price reductions on windows xp now in china!mG >> windows xp now available for $.75 ... full office suite versions for, >> only $2.00! act now!s > L > Umm, you get what you pay for. That's why nine out of ten doctors surveyedJ > agree that OpenVMS is the coolest and most unhackable general-purpose OS% > you can buy without a prescription.i > L > Best of all, thanks to the good folks at the Dallas Fort Worth Compaq UserL > Group, the OpenVMS Hobbyist License is available FREE to all who choose toG > run a real OS on a real hardware platform in the privacy of their ownw > homes. > - > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/index.htmln     Terry,  G If it seems that my previous post doesn't make much sense to you it is r? probably because I lost track of which new group I was in. Duh!    -- b Keith Brownh kbrown780@isd.nett   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:35:49 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> . Subject: Re: half off fire sale on windows xp!' Message-ID: <3BDE2E25.323D7929@fsi.net>a   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:> > 7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messageu9 > news:d7791aa1.0110291328.6a091032@posting.google.com... H > > there have been drastic price reductions on windows xp now in china!H > > windows xp now available for $.75 ... full office suite versions for > > only $2.00! act now! > L > Umm, you get what you pay for. That's why nine out of ten doctors surveyedN > agree that OpenVMS is the coolest and most unhackable general-purpose OS you! > can buy without a prescription.s > L > Best of all, thanks to the good folks at the Dallas Fort Worth Compaq UserL > Group, the OpenVMS Hobbyist License is available FREE to all who choose toN > run a real OS on a real hardware platform in the privacy of their own homes. > - > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/index.htmlb  F I even went so far as to get an extension cord for my power strip so I. could run OpenVMS in the privy of my own home.   -- c David J. Dachtera@ dba DJE Systemsu http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 04:34:38 GMTD4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>. Subject: Re: half off fire sale on windows xp!= Message-ID: <y5qD7.25127$f6.12205944@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>n  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3BDE2E25.323D7929@fsi.net...f > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:h > >s9 > > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagee; > > news:d7791aa1.0110291328.6a091032@posting.google.com...gJ > > > there have been drastic price reductions on windows xp now in china!J > > > windows xp now available for $.75 ... full office suite versions for > > > only $2.00! act now! > >tE > > Umm, you get what you pay for. That's why nine out of ten doctors  surveyedL > > agree that OpenVMS is the coolest and most unhackable general-purpose OS youn# > > can buy without a prescription.- > > I > > Best of all, thanks to the good folks at the Dallas Fort Worth Compaqu UserK > > Group, the OpenVMS Hobbyist License is available FREE to all who choosee toI > > run a real OS on a real hardware platform in the privacy of their ownn homes. > >l/ > > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/index.htmli >tH > I even went so far as to get an extension cord for my power strip so I0 > could run OpenVMS in the privy of my own home. >f   ;-}   H Stranger things have happened. A small consulting firm which will remainG nameless actually bragged about the fact that they had Internet-enabledh+ peecees in the bathrooms of their office...h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:41:21 -0500w% From: "Tom Steuver" <steuver@nku.edu>i$ Subject: Increase index file on disk/ Message-ID: <ttrfsqrgigcr88@corp.supernews.com>l   OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Alpha  & Users are getting the following error:  B %EDT-F-OPENOUT, error opening DRA4:[HILLJE]PROGRAM3.JOU; as output" -RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed) -SYSTEM-W-IDXFILEFULL, index file is fullt  " How can I increase the index file?   Thanks,l Tom SteuverL   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2001 16:15:39 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e( Subject: Re: Increase index file on disk3 Message-ID: <BliosrrDBN8t@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <ttrfsqrgigcr88@corp.supernews.com>, "Tom Steuver" <steuver@nku.edu> writes:  > OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Alpha > ( > Users are getting the following error: > D > %EDT-F-OPENOUT, error opening DRA4:[HILLJE]PROGRAM3.JOU; as output$ > -RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed+ > -SYSTEM-W-IDXFILEFULL, index file is full  > $ > How can I increase the index file?  1 Do an image backup and image restore of the disk.e   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2001 11:17:39 -0800! From: soterro@yahoo.com (Soterro) , Subject: Re: Installing CC060 on VMS VAX 6.1= Message-ID: <d5440555.0110291117.44096a4e@posting.google.com>    Hello,  A Since no one knows why putting back kitinstal.com doesn't work, I E started to create fake files and move them around so the kit wouldn't4A complain anymore when it cannot delete a nonexisting file (namely @ starlets_c.tlb). Now the wonderful installation breaks two lines later, when trying to runt $ libext ... some stuffw  E Where from is that 'libext' coming? Can I create it by hand or get itaE from somewhere else? I presume from the script that it expected to beoB placed in the installation temporary directory, but nobody createsC such a script/thing in there. The VMS documentation doesn't mentionD4 it, and the C kit claims to work from 6.1 and above.  
 Thanks a lot,a Sorin Costea   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:15:06 GMT-2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: Installing CC060 on VMS VAX 6.13 Message-ID: <uFjD7.1081$RL6.15190@news.cpqcorp.net>n  a In article <d5440555.0110290626.4470edb8@posting.google.com>, soterro@yahoo.com (Soterro) writes:s  C :I'm trying to install the C compiler on the named machine, and gotp# :stuck by a 'file not found' error:h  E   OpenVMS VAX V6.1 has not been supported for some time, and CC V6.0 eE   was also replaced some time ago.  I'd try OpenVMS VAX V6.2 or V7.3,n    and I'd try the current C kit.  G   This *appears* to be a known bug in the V6.0 kit, and arises when the H   system is sufficiently old or otherwise does not have a STARLETSD.TLB F   file.  If this *is* that same bug, then the fix is in the C V6.2 and
   later kits.   G :..and yes, for each problem I post here I ask first the Compaq supporta9 :people, from which I had NO working solution ever (yet).s  G   Um, exactly what were you told by the support folks?   (I'm guessing  G   you were asked to move to more recent/current versions.  eg: V6.2.)     G   You indicated you added messages to KITINSTAL but reported you could nD   not install the resulting kit -- I'm guessing the kit was rebuilt I   incorrectly.  (Use SPKITBLD as a start, and -- if you want to continue  8   down this path, please also tell us what you tried...)  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Oct 2001 06:42:04 GMT From: dgriffi@cs.csuabk.eduh Subject: Re: Mitnick Uncaged* Message-ID: <9rli3s$1i0lm$1@hades.csu.net>  W In comp.sys.dec Bart Z. Lederman <lederman@star.enet.dec.disable-junk-email.com> wrote:bb > In article <URP8WpoVumTS@malvm6.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:  L >>    If this comes to pass what happens when the goverment gets their handsD >>    on a file of garbage they are convinced is something you have I >>    encrypted? Will they jail you until you tell them how to make sensec >>    of the garbage? ;-)   = > Some people would say this already happens with the IRS andm" > various tax form instructions...  & Except that the IRS makes the garbage.     -- i David Griffith dgriffi@cs.csubak.edue   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:13:16 -0600i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e* Subject: Re: Single or Multiple Sys Disks?' Message-ID: <3BDE28DC.B9726B33@fsi.net>(   Rob Young wrote: > U > In article <3BDC7358.37B7031C@dplanet.ch>, John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch> writes:r > >r > >  > > Ed Wilts wrote:  > >>> > >> In article <3BD58F71.1E80C13C@vmmc.org>, "Jack Trachtman"% > >> <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> wrote:e > >>N > >> > After all these years managing stand alone VMS systems, I'll finally beB > >> > getting to manage two clustered systems: 2xES45 and 3xES45. > >> >I > >> > My question: How to choose between single system disk and multiple K > >> > disks.  The first is easier to manage, but the second allows rolling / > >> > upgrades w/less down time for the users.i > >>Q > >> I'd vote for 2 system disks, plus a separate common disk that will hold yourh/ > >> sysuaf, rightslist, vmsmail profiles, etc.e > >>K > >> My thinking is that you can always install patches on one system disk,eG > >> and even if all hell breaks loose, you can mount the busted set on M > >> another system and fix the darn thing.  Rolling upgrades become simpler,>F > >> and although you have to do all your patches twice,  the benefitsL > >> far outweigh the gains.  The first time you need to have another system[ > >> up and running to fix a broken disk will be the day you vow never to limit yourself too > >> a single system disk. > >>J > >> Also to consider:  the size of your crash dump files, whether they'reH > >> common or individual (5 individual dump files on 1 system disk willL > >> probably fill your disk depending on how much memory you have), and how > >> busy the system disks are.3 > >> > >>         .../Edd > >> > >> -- # > >> Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA> > >> mailto:ewilts@ewilts.orgs > >nI > > I missed the start of this thread but I'd opt for one system disk but K > > make it shadowed.  Upgrade by dropping one member out of the shadow set J > > to keep it in reserve in case the upgrade goes to mush and you have to > > reinstate the old system.  > >eJ > > As for dump files, since about VMS7.2 (I think) your dump files can be$ > > on disks other than system disk. > >  > I >         Since about VMS 6.2 and there is a fairly comprehensive articleaE >         on DSNlink that talks about and gives "how tos" to do DOSD.c  ? Didn't I see a post here about the impending demise of DSNlink?s   --   David J. Dachterac dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/y   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:11:05 -0600o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>, Subject: Re: SSH for Alpha VMS' Message-ID: <3BDE2859.DD07687D@fsi.net>r   Bob Ceculski wrote:  > b > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3BDCCB13.59548EC7@fsi.net>...G > > > > > > > Is there anyway of getting sn SSH server pre-compiled for K > > > > > > > an Alpha VMS system since I don't have access to DEC C havinga< > > > > > > > surrendered our VAX C license many years ago ? > > > > > >a > > > > > > Amy Lewisr	 > > > > >tQ > > > > > run tcpware ... it performs alot better than either multinet or ucx ...t > > > >i3 > > > > Do you have any statistics to back this up?n > > > >oB > > > > Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com= > > > > TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919:C > > > > 2024 West Street, Suite 300              800-810-0827 x19196= > > > > Annapolis, MD 21401-3556           fax   410-280-1094e > > > > Bob Ceculski wrote: K > > > i certainly do ... we went thru several months of performance testing N > > > on our alpha web server using ucx, multinet and tcpware ... we ran threeI > > > different web servers, osu, apache and purveyor ... tcpware ran themN > > > crispest hands down ... the same thing happened with ucx from vms kernelK > > > based 4 to inix kernel based version 5 ... it got "slower"!  our vicetN > > > president took part in the testing an the response times were definitiveH > > > same for purveyor ... it was written for vms (processed based) ...H > > > even folks at process software agreed with me when i told them theL > > > results and said that they had done some adjustments to narrow the gapE > > > but admit it still exists ... properly written vms kernel basedwH > > > software will always out run unix based, thats common sense and weI > > > proved it ... both products are almost identical in features on vmseI > > > except i love using decnet phase iv over ip, something no other vmsrL > > > ip stack can do ... so why not use "the" premier ip stack for vms that4 > > > was "written" for vms by former vms engineers? > >u( > > IMO, the management interface sucks. > >aG > > Multinet has its drawbacks, also, but sucks much less than TCPware.l > > D > > Both could have taken a lesson from NCP, without making the same > > mistakes as UCX. > N > they have a management interface if you want to pay extra, but i think netcuL > management is easy ... most of time i can configure want i want by editingL > the tcpware configuration file if you know what you are doing ... also theO > logic of the commands is much easier than ucx ... multinet and tcpware on theeM > command level are very similiar because process software owns both, the big L > difference being that tcpware runs best because it is vms kernel based ...N > multinet and ucx are unix based ... we did extensive testing and tcpware wonK > conclusively ... you can accept our findings or ignore them ... your losss > on performance!p  G IMO, performance is meaningless for software I can't manage effectivelytC in a time-efficient manner. For me, man-time is always at a greatert premium than machine-time.   -- e David J. Dachterau dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:10:57 -0500t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Steps to the merger, Message-ID: <3BDE2850.5D4BAAC2@videotron.ca>  J We are often told about how the current environment prevents HP and CompaqK from revealing many of the merger items, yet that they have to contihnue to A fake being competitors. How long will this silly posturing last ?w  L What are the steps (and when are they expected to happen) until the purchaseM of Compaq by HP executed on paper and we can then start to watch what HP will7 really do with alpha and VMS ?  H Are there official anti-competition inquiries happening righht now which( prevent the buyout from being consumed ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:58:14 GMT08 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond). Subject: Re: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM3 Message-ID: <qxiD7.1078$RL6.14936@news.cpqcorp.net>   W In article <3bd87ee1$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:Tn >In article <nDYB7.968$RL6.10436@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) writes:2 >>The official patch for this is VMS73_DTSS-V0100.5 >>As stated below, this applies ONLY to OpenVMS V7.3.o >> >>The kit is available at: >>L >>http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/public/vms/axp/v7.3/vms73_dtss-v0100.README >n' >Does the problem only exist on Alpha ?o  I The procedure is common to Alpha and VAX, but it has various architecture I specific code.  I do not know if this problem will be encountered on VAX.d  I It should be safe to extract the file from the Alpha kit and copy it ontosK an OpenVMS VAX system.  Of you can make the correction I previously posted.   , I will ask that a VAX kit be made available.   -- rK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:14:04 -0500d- From: "Rebecca Snyder" <rsnyder@atlasdie.com>s. Subject: RE: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM? Message-ID: <MPBBIEGNHCKJGNKPHFAPKEKPCLAA.rsnyder@atlasdie.com>   < Of course if your Vax/Alpha were located in certain parts of7 Indiana you wouldn't have to worry about this at all :)-  1   Nbr of times/year I have to reset my clocks : 0 1   Nbr of times/year I reprogram all my vcrs   : 2l  @ In fact, we're so special, we have our own time zone in windows!   Rebecca Snyder Elkhart, Indiana   -----Original Message-----? From: Charlie Hammond [mailto:hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net]p& Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 2:58 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com . Subject: Re: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM    B In article <3bd87ee1$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:3 >In article <nDYB7.968$RL6.10436@news.cpqcorp.net>,-: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) writes:2 >>The official patch for this is VMS73_DTSS-V0100.5 >>As stated below, this applies ONLY to OpenVMS V7.3.2 >> >>The kit is available at: >>L >>http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/public/vms/axp/v7.3/vms73_dtss-v0100.README > ' >Does the problem only exist on Alpha ?.  I The procedure is common to Alpha and VAX, but it has various architecturewI specific code.  I do not know if this problem will be encountered on VAX.s  I It should be safe to extract the file from the Alpha kit and copy it onto'K an OpenVMS VAX system.  Of you can make the correction I previously posted.n  , I will ask that a VAX kit be made available.   --K     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAlH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2001 14:54:50 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)g. Subject: RE: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM3 Message-ID: <4AEPxDRjcA$i@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <MPBBIEGNHCKJGNKPHFAPKEKPCLAA.rsnyder@atlasdie.com>, "Rebecca Snyder" <rsnyder@atlasdie.com> writes:w> > Of course if your Vax/Alpha were located in certain parts of9 > Indiana you wouldn't have to worry about this at all :)< > 3 >   Nbr of times/year I have to reset my clocks : 0l3 >   Nbr of times/year I reprogram all my vcrs   : 24 > B > In fact, we're so special, we have our own time zone in windows! >  > Rebecca Snyder > Elkhart, Indiana >    	Now that is Erie... Indiana!o< 	You're so special to be home to John Cougar Mellencamp too.6 	Also, Arizona and Hawaii fall into the same category.     				Robg   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:43:40 -0700!+ From: Linda Luik <p14175@email.sps.mot.com> . Subject: Re: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM1 Message-ID: <3BDDCD8C.12E42D0A@email.sps.mot.com>.  & --------------D6AC49C34E288E40DD747E59* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bits  B Only a portion of Arizona. The Navajo Reservation follows daylightD savings time since portions of the Rez fall in other states. I don't% know if the Hopi Nation follows suit.s  
 Linda Luik   Rob Young wrote:   >  > A > In article <MPBBIEGNHCKJGNKPHFAPKEKPCLAA.rsnyder@atlasdie.com>,w1 > "Rebecca Snyder" <rsnyder@atlasdie.com> writes:i@ > > Of course if your Vax/Alpha were located in certain parts of; > > Indiana you wouldn't have to worry about this at all :)o > >o5 > >   Nbr of times/year I have to reset my clocks : 0A5 > >   Nbr of times/year I reprogram all my vcrs   : 2a > >rD > > In fact, we're so special, we have our own time zone in windows! > >o > > Rebecca Snyder > > Elkhart, Indiana > >- >-& >         Now that is Erie... Indiana!E >         You're so special to be home to John Cougar Mellencamp too. ? >         Also, Arizona and Hawaii fall into the same category.  >n% >                                 Rob   & --------------D6AC49C34E288E40DD747E59) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-asciiu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html>J Only a portion of Arizona. The Navajo Reservation follows daylight savingsH time since portions of the Rez fall in other states. I don't know if the Hopi Nation follows suit.e
 <p>Linda Luiko <p>Rob Young wrote:B <blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;S <p><font size=-1>In article &lt;MPBBIEGNHCKJGNKPHFAPKEKPCLAA.rsnyder@atlasdie.com>,u9 "Rebecca Snyder" &lt;rsnyder@atlasdie.com> writes:</font>eG <br><font size=-1>> Of course if your Vax/Alpha were located in certainL parts of</font>aH <br><font size=-1>> Indiana you wouldn't have to worry about this at all	 :)</font>s <br><font size=-1>></font>K <br><font size=-1>>&nbsp;&nbsp; Nbr of times/year I have to reset my clocks 
 : 0</font>U <br><font size=-1>>&nbsp;&nbsp; Nbr of times/year I reprogram all my vcrs&nbsp;&nbsp;o
 : 2</font> <br><font size=-1>></font>H <br><font size=-1>> In fact, we're so special, we have our own time zone in windows!</font> <br><font size=-1>></font>) <br><font size=-1>> Rebecca Snyder</font>c+ <br><font size=-1>> Elkhart, Indiana</font>k <br><font size=-1>></font>G <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <font size=-1>Now that isw Erie... Indiana!</font>oF <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <font size=-1>You're so8 special to be home to John Cougar Mellencamp too.</font>J <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <font size=-1>Also, Arizona. and Hawaii fall into the same category.</font> <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; % <font size=-1>Rob</font></blockquote>  </html>c  ( --------------D6AC49C34E288E40DD747E59--   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2001 16:13:35 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)q. Subject: RE: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM3 Message-ID: <bkS+OhraExzP@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  o In article <MPBBIEGNHCKJGNKPHFAPKEKPCLAA.rsnyder@atlasdie.com>, "Rebecca Snyder" <rsnyder@atlasdie.com> writes:r> > Of course if your Vax/Alpha were located in certain parts of9 > Indiana you wouldn't have to worry about this at all :)   ? The same if it is located in a certain part of Massachusetts --h  5 -- the part that I control, where VMS runs on GMT :-)s   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2001 16:14:35 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: RE: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM3 Message-ID: <ySLecWMalDTF@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  a In article <4AEPxDRjcA$i@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:c  8 > 	Also, Arizona and Hawaii fall into the same category.  @ Except for the Navajo Reservation (about 1/6 of Arizona's area).   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Oct 2001 05:16:39 GMT3 From: vance@alumni.caltech.edu (Vance R. Haemmerle)I. Subject: Re: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM, Message-ID: <9rld3n$hog@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  ? In article <MPBBIEGNHCKJGNKPHFAPKEKPCLAA.rsnyder@atlasdie.com>,d, Rebecca Snyder <rsnyder@atlasdie.com> wrote:= >Of course if your Vax/Alpha were located in certain parts of 8 >Indiana you wouldn't have to worry about this at all :) >-2 >  Nbr of times/year I have to reset my clocks : 02 >  Nbr of times/year I reprogram all my vcrs   : 2 >nA >In fact, we're so special, we have our own time zone in windows!-  :    All of Arizona too.  I already miss that about Arizona.   -- Vance HaemmerleR vance@alumni.caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:14:15 -0500e  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>. Subject: Re: trying to setup a TF86 tape drive5 Message-ID: <1011029200035.1681A-100000@Ives.egh.com>u  * On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Michael Holmes wrote:  5 > I purchased a used Digital TF86 DLT drive off EBay.nL > I have a Dec 3000 with a SCSI-2 external interface and a standard Win95 PC > with SCSI-2. > N > The tape drive powers up ok but, it doesn't have a standard scsi-2 interfaceI > on the back of the external enclosure, so I can't use a standard scsi-2sN > cable and can not seems to find a cable that has this unique end. The end isN > the same size and shape of a scsi2 cable but instead of a male or female pinM > setup it has a bar in the center with the pin on it (much like a centronicscA > printer or SCSI-1 end but much smaller) an it looks to be male.3  , TF tape drives are not SCSI.  They are DSSI.  L > I though about removing it from the encloser and installing it internally,+ > but I do not know how to set the scsi id.r  E It might be SCSI inside, since DEC also made a very similar TZ86 SCSInB drive.  However, it is equally possible that both the TF86 and theE TZ86 contain an identical internal interface that is neither DSSI nort? SCSI, or the TZ86 contains a SCSI to DSSI adapter or there is a > custom personality board that is different for the two drives.  N > The wonderful Compaq site has no information on this wonderful tape drive (I2 > don't know what model  rebranded it as its own).  H They (DEC) didn't rebrand anything.  DEC invented DLT.  Many years afterF they built this drive, they sold the technology to Quantum (along with0 their disk drive development and manufacturing.)  L > Doesn anyone know where I can get a cable for this, or know how to set the > scsi id if I put it internal.   0 Trade it to someone who has a DSSI-based system?   > Thanks > 	 > Michaelo   -- u John Santosc Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:40:16 -0500o8 From: "Steven Santinelli" <Santinelli@smscompNOSPAM.com>3 Subject: Re: VMS7.3,AS7.3 & external authenticationn, Message-ID: <9rl3u5019d7@enews1.newsguy.com>  . fyi... That was NOT my fault... :^)   Hi Brad!     Stevel    @ "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNOSP@Mcompaq.com> wrote in message+ news:l2iz7.597$RL6.5309@news.cpqcorp.net...h >y8 > "Tim Jackson" <tim.jackson@amsjv.com> wrote in message  > news:3bcc8857@pull.gecm.com...I > > System is DS10 & DS20E VMScluster running VMS 7.3 and AS 7.3 as a BDCs0 > > for a domain where the PDC is an NT4 server. > >i1 > > "NT" usernames are hostmaped to VMS accounts.t > >aK > > External authentication is set for the users but those users whose "NT"hH > > username is > 15 characters cannot logon to their VMS accounts via aK > > terminal emulator, while all others work fine.  I thought the max. "NT"m$ > > username size was 20 characters. > > K > That would be what we call a bug.  Its fixed in V7.3-ECO1 which I hope toaI > release for distribution from the CSCs in the next day or so.  It'll bet > availablegJ > via traditional channels a couple weeks later.  Give the CSC a call, and > they( > should be able to get you the ECO kit. >P
 > Regards, >w > Brad McCuskero > OpenVMS Engineering-! > Littleton MA and Nashua NH, USA  >1 >:   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:32:25 -0600R1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>DB Subject: Re: windows xp already hacked ... while vms "unhackable"!' Message-ID: <3BDE2D59.3F11C21B@fsi.net>3   Bob Ceculski wrote:t > E > inquirer article about the new windows xp security enhancements ...oD > now takes 2 seconds instead of the previous one second to hack!  i	 > think i ( > am going to be on vms for a long time! > ) > http://www.theinquirer.net/26100112.htmm > E > SOMEONE AT THE MICROSOFT LAUNCH asked Steve Ballmer yesterday aboutnE > automated installation files that crack the anti-piracy features ini$ > the spanking new operating system.+ > Ballmer did not respond to that question.@ > E > There's a telling picture over at the Taipei Times which shows just1H > how fast the counterfeiting has started with XP Pro costing $1.30, and > which you can view here. > G > But now Bitarts Labs has claimed that illegal installation files thattG > bypass registration for WinXP were available within hours of it beingn > for sale.b > D > The files are on Web sites in the Far East and are now donloadable5 > from Warez sites all over the across, Bitarts said.h > @ > That means it's only a short step to pirated boxed counterfeit= > software being available in the bazaars of Asian countries.i  H Hhmmm... Seems our fiends (intentional spelling) in Redmond have found aH new way to achieve greater dominance - *INVITING* piracy in markets they# cannot control or exploit publicly.   B Perhaps "Bill Gates" is but a nomme de plume for Mr. Blofeld after all...   --   David J. Dachterad dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:00:12 +0000v1 From: Andrew Hodgson <Andrew@tcamiga.demon.co.uk>t, Subject: Re: Windows XP reality check please2 Message-ID: <BPGInCAcNc37EwMo@tcamiga.demon.co.uk>  E In article <Xns9146EC1052B99DE712C47A9@207.126.101.100>, Invalid Page " Fault <nomail@loopback.org> writes   Snip.r  > Lengthy explanation of how to examine XP's network traffic....  F >running the whole time.  Do a careful examination of your packets.  I think $ >you'll be surprised - and offended. >t >k >       F Why not just tell us what you have found ???  Doesn't seem sensible toH expect everyone to set this up, on the off-chance there may be something annoying passed across.  n  G In any case, should you need to know the information that Microsoft hasnH in relation to you, just ask for it.  They are obliged to let you see it" under the new Data Protection Act. -- r Andrew Hodgson   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.603 ************************