1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 05 Sep 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 493       Contents:. Re: A Compaq Perspective on the HP Acquisition. Re: A Compaq Perspective on the HP Acquisition. Re: A Compaq Perspective on the HP Acquisition Re: alpha - ia64 Re: alpha - ia64 Re: alpha - ia64 Re: alpha - ia64 Re: alpha - ia64# Re: Another take on the acquisition # Re: Another take on the acquisition ! Backup to a Host Based Shadow Set % Re: Backup to a Host Based Shadow Set  Carly's email to Compaq staff ! Re: Carly's email to Compaq staff ! Re: Carly's email to Compaq staff ! Re: Carly's email to Compaq staff ! Re: Carly's email to Compaq staff $ Re: Compaq staff walk out of meeting, Re: Compaq's Spin on IBM's AIX Monterey drop) Re: Conference: CETS-2001 Detailed Update ) Re: Conference: CETS-2001 Detailed Update ) Re: Conference: CETS-2001 Detailed Update . Converting a stream_lf file to a variable file$ Re: DCL command file to requeue jobs$ Re: DCL command file to requeue jobs  Re: Digital and Alpha to Survive  Re: Digital and Alpha to Survive  Re: Digital and Alpha to Survive  Re: Digital and Alpha to Survive  Re: Digital and Alpha to SurviveP Re: dir help ---%LIBRAR-F-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]NCS$LIBRARY.NP Re: dir help ---%LIBRAR-F-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]NCS$LIBRARY.NP Re: dir help ---%LIBRAR-F-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]NCS$LIBRARY.N1 Re: European Merger Block (was Re: I hate Compaq) 1 Re: European Merger Block (was Re: I hate Compaq) 1 Re: European Merger Block (was Re: I hate Compaq)   Re: Feeling Better about Itanium G Q Bob busts up Compaq ' hobbyist license and cpu serial number. + Re: hobbyist license and cpu serial number. + Re: hobbyist license and cpu serial number. # How to backup a directory structure ' Re: How to backup a directory structure  Re: HP buying Compaq? 3 Re: HP press release on merger between Compaq an HP % RE: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail) % RE: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail) % Re: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail) % Re: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail) % Re: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail) % Re: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail) % Re: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail) % Re: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail) % Re: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail)  Re: HP to Buy Compaq!  Re: HP to buy Compaq!!!  Re: I hate Compaq  Re: I hate Compaq  Re: I hate Compaq  Re: I hate Compaq C Re: Intel has released Hyper-threading for it's next gen processors  Re: IT's Hannibals Re: IT's Hannibals Re: IT's Hannibals! Line count for txt file from DCL? % Re: Line count for txt file from DCL?  Re: Mark Twain Promo Re: My VMS Wish List (features) 3 Re: New HP To Layoff 20,000 CPQ Per The-Advisor.com 3 Re: New HP To Layoff 20,000 CPQ Per The-Advisor.com 3 Re: New HP To Layoff 20,000 CPQ Per The-Advisor.com  New OpenVMS Site Re: New OpenVMS Site Newbie needs help  Re: Newbie needs help  News from Colorado Springs OT: SpamCop detained your email # Re: OT: SpamCop detained your email % Restoring from retired OpenVMS backup % Restoring from retired OpenVMS backup % Restoring from retired OpenVMS backup ) Re: Restoring from retired OpenVMS backup ) Re: Restoring from retired OpenVMS backup ) Re: Restoring from retired OpenVMS backup ) Re: Restoring from retired OpenVMS backup  RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RMS index file performance< Re: Silly names (was: RE: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail))E Re: SYSTEM-F-NOT64DEVFUNC  (versus virtual/logical disks), V7.3 Alpha  Re: Terry Shannon  Re: Timeline Re: Timeline Re: Timeline Re: Timeline Re: Timeline Re: Tunneling DECnet over IP Re: Tunneling DECnet over IP, Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeed, Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeed, Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeed, Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeed, Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeed, Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeed, Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeed, Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeed, Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeed, Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeed7 Re: Will Mozilla ever run without crashing DECW server? 7 Re: Will Mozilla ever run without crashing DECW server? $ Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq$ Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq$ Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq$ Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq$ Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq$ Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq$ Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq$ Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq$ Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq$ Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:41:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 7 Subject: Re: A Compaq Perspective on the HP Acquisition , Message-ID: <3B954A63.C3F3EF78@videotron.ca>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:M > Well, the "interesting times" stuff sure applies this AM .. Next weeks CETS D > will be an interesting hotbed of rumours, speculation and beer pub > discussions.  M If I had planned on going, to be honest, I would today request a refund. What I is the point of going to a conference whose planned presentations are now 7 totally worthless since everything is about to change ?   M It was bad enough Compaq had no credibility, but now, it is a given that what M Compaq says at that comference is totally worthless since Compaq, as far as I ( am concerned, has ceased to exist today.  E If Carly was going to attend that conference, I would see some value.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:50:54 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> 7 Subject: Re: A Compaq Perspective on the HP Acquisition ( Message-ID: <9n3ia6$phs$1@pyrite.mv.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3B954A63.C3F3EF78@videotron.ca... > "Main, Kerry" wrote:J > > Well, the "interesting times" stuff sure applies this AM .. Next weeks CETSF > > will be an interesting hotbed of rumours, speculation and beer pub > > discussions. > J > If I had planned on going, to be honest, I would today request a refund. WhatK > is the point of going to a conference whose planned presentations are now 9 > totally worthless since everything is about to change ?  > J > It was bad enough Compaq had no credibility, but now, it is a given that whatJ > Compaq says at that comference is totally worthless since Compaq, as far as I* > am concerned, has ceased to exist today. > G > If Carly was going to attend that conference, I would see some value.   4 Well, she's cuter than Mikey, but other than that...   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:27:02 GMT . From: Burnie M <burniem.NOSPAM@ozemail.com.au>7 Subject: Re: A Compaq Perspective on the HP Acquisition 8 Message-ID: <kasaptsehn91ea0vak6ofj83q45vfgovcj@4ax.com>  8 We had our monthly meeting with 4 Compaq reps yesterday.9 Two of them signed in as "HP". They know as little as us. ; Right now I am more concerned about their future than mine.       6 On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:18:14 -0500, "Hipenbecker, Doug"" <Hipenbecker.Doug@MBCO.COM> wrote:  E >Does this mean that the HP Journada I own is obsolete or is the iPAQ $ >obsolete...or do I know own a hPAQ? >:):):)  >  >Doug Hipenbecker  >Miller Brewing  >  >-----Original Message----- - >From: Alan Greig [mailto:a.greig@virgin.net] + >Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:36 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com8 >Subject: Re: A Compaq Perspective on the HP Acquisition >  > 5 >On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:01:45 -0400, "Fred Kleinsorge" % ><kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  > M >>Hmmm.  I believe all the memo's say that we have to shut up while the meger K >>works its way through the legal mazes.  Besides, most of us know about as : >>much as anyone who picked up the newspaper this morning. >>L >>For the time being, until the merger is complete, I believe it is business4 >>as usual, including executing the current roadmap. > @ >iPAQs are very good at holding real computerized roadmaps whileF >traveling. Perhaps Compaq could send us all a cellphone enabled  iPAQ9 >so that the Compaq roadmaps can be updated in real time.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:37:59 +0000 (UTC)7 From: dsiebert@excisethis.khamsin.net (Douglas Siebert)  Subject: Re: alpha - ia64 + Message-ID: <9n3727$4qe$1@sword.avalon.net>   1 mccalpin@gmp246.austin.ibm.com (McCalpin) writes:   : >The SGI MIPS Fortran compiler will use 64-bit integers if< >you compile with the -i8 option.   I would not be surprised< >if the SGI IA64 Fortran compiler supported the same option.    ? >IBM's XLF/Fortran compiler uses "-qintsize=8" to select 64-bit  >integers.    ? >IBM's Visual Age for C++ compiler (which includes "C for AIX") ? >includes an option to force all default-sized literal integers A >to 64-bit ("-qlonglit").  Visual Age for C++ uses the LP64 model     A HP's f90 compiler for HP-UX 11.x uses +i8.  Doesn't seem to be an  equivalent option for C.   --H Douglas Siebert                          dsiebert@excisethis.khamsin.net  M I have discovered a remarkable proof which this .sig is too small to contain!    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2001 18:43:26 GMT & From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: alpha - ia64 % Message-ID: <9n37ce$djq@web.nmti.com>   ) In article <3B94BA95.EBBA19B3@mikron.de>, ( Bernd Paysan  <bpaysan@mikron.de> wrote:J > Of course people do break laws, especially if the less civilized nationsC > they live in don't care about what they do. International sea law G > certainly is "just" a convention, but civilized nations should follow D > conventions even without being forced to (that's what's makes themH > civilized). Some large nations lately think that being civilized isn'tE > necessary any longer, because the only thing that matters is to win 5 > elections, and then get the hands on the big money.    Like in Indonesia, you mean?   --  +  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva. E   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything." L                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:17:55 GMT   From: "eddie" <NullVoid@att.net> Subject: Re: alpha - ia64 G Message-ID: <DN9l7.11281$KV3.916162@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   3 "Pete Zaitcev" <zaitcev@yahoo.com> wrote in message 7 news:slrn9p9qt6.aej.zaitcev@devserv.devel.redhat.com... " > > From: eddie <NullVoid@att.net> > > 1 > > "Casper H.S. Dik - Network Security Engineer"  <Casper.Dik@Holland.Sun.Com>? > > wrote in message news:9n26lo$mpj$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  > @ > > > 64-bit means "uses a 64 bit address space and has a nativeA > > > 64-bit integral type", at least in the part of the industry  > > % > > Isn't that the same thing I said:  > > A > > "the native, default size for data and addresses is 64-bit" ?  > ; > No. You said "default", which is int, and int is 32 bits. = > Casper said "available", which may be long. But the default  > is 32.  6 I don't see the word "available" in the original post.  ( I have attached the original post below.   > 5 > And learn to trim quotations when doing follow-ups.  > 	 > -- Pete    Original post follows:  3 [[ PLEASE DON'T SEND ME EMAIL COPIES OF POSTINGS ]]   " "eddie" <NullVoid@att.net> writes:    - >"Dan Pop" <Dan.Pop@cern.ch> wrote in message   $ >Then they are not 64-bit compilers.  E >They may generate code that executes on 64-bit machines and are able E >to use 64-bit primitives, but, the term 64-bit compiler implies that ; >the native, default size for data and addresses is 64-bit.    By whose authority?   F Nearly everybody in the industry agrees that having a 64-bit "int" and? 64-bit "long" is a mistake and that it is more natural to have:      type sizeof(type)  char 1 short 2  int 4  long 8 void * 8 size_t 8
 intptr_t 8  3 Or you're left with a whole in your type structure.     : 64-bit means "uses a 64 bit address space and has a native; 64-bit integral type", at least in the part of the industry 9 I'm working in (not just Sun, but all 64-bit Unix vendors - except perhaps Cray use the same conventions)    Casper --F Expressed in this posting are my opinions.  They are in no way related2 to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems.? Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may  be fiction rather than truth.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:43:29 +0200 * From: Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> Subject: Re: alpha - ia64 / Message-ID: <3B953CF1.6030308@brussels.sgi.com>    McCalpin wrote: 5 > In article <ocYk7.17789$x84.4548089@ruti.visi.com>, / > Andy Isaacson <adi@pirx.hexapodia.org> wrote:  > 9 >>In article <slrn9p8ce3.2lsq.andrew@gurney.reilly.home>, 3 >>Andrew Reilly <areilly@nsw.bigpond.net.au> wrote:  >> >>>eddie wrote:  >>> N >>>>you buy a 64-bit compiler. With a 64 bit compiler, int would default to 64 >>>>bits in length.  >>>>> >>>And for Alpha and IA-64, you would find one of those where?> >>>Does Sun UltraSparc or SGI MIPS system compilers use 64-bit >>>ints?  Do any?  >>>  > ; > The SGI MIPS Fortran compiler will use 64-bit integers if = > you compile with the -i8 option.   I would not be surprised = > if the SGI IA64 Fortran compiler supported the same option.  > ? > I don't remember if the SGI C compiler also has this feature.  > ( Many runtime libraries you'd tend to use9 in C wouldn't exactly feel happy about it - not that it's 6 impossible to refrain from using them (or to cast to a; properly sized int) -- but it's not for the faint of heart.   ; As a result, and because most C programmers tend to be more = type-aware (or should be -- after all, they can declare their > own type and change it at the flick of a key if they want to),+ there's no -i8 flag for the C/C++ compiler.      --  ? <these messages express my own views, not those of my employer> ) Alexis Cousein				Senior Systems Engineer . SGI Belgium and Luxemburg		al@brussels.sgi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 02:19:01 GMT   From: Eric Young <eay@pobox.com> Subject: Re: alpha - ia64 ( Message-ID: <3B958BCF.825DFBB@pobox.com>   Ken Hagan wrote:  " > "eddie" <NullVoid@att.net> wrote' > > Then they are not 64-bit compilers.  > > H > > They may generate code that executes on 64-bit machines and are ableH > > to use 64-bit primitives, but, the term 64-bit compiler implies that> > > the native, default size for data and addresses is 64-bit. > E > Well, you could cross-post and ask on comp.std.c, but I don't think ( > the term has any standardised meaning. > D > Most 64-bit Unices require 32-bit ints and 64-bit longs, and Win64D > requires 32-bit ints and longs, so any compiler for these two OSes. > would be brain dead if it used a 64-bit int. > C > Most folks do call those OSes "64-bit" (as I have just done), and D > would probably call compilers that target them "64-bit compilers". > D > Furthermore, there is no type between "short" and "int", so if you@ > want to offer 8,16,32 and 64-bit integers, you are pretty much9 > forced to keep "int" at 32-bits, regardless of your OS.  > > > I think Crays have 64-bit ints, but aren't they a bit wierd?  A I had some code of mine ported to a cray a long long time ago and ! if my memory serves me correctly,  sizeof(char)    == 1 sizeof(short)    == 8  sizeof(int)    == 8  sizeof(long)    == 8  & Rather interesting about the short :-)   eric   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:01:41 GMT & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>, Subject: Re: Another take on the acquisition7 Message-ID: <Vibl7.113$Vx1.279901@typhoon2.gnilink.net>   2 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message" news:9n32vk$8ap$1@pyrite.mv.net...3 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/21445.html   K No bias showing at all in that article - eh?  While most can see through it 3 one additional point for those not familar with NSK   K > and long standing Tandem customers use MIPS-based Himalaya systems, for ar decade  L It very likely customers (new or long standing) purchasing Himalaya machinesL will move as quickly as possible to IPF.  The current MIPS RISC machines runH CISC emulators.  Compaq is projecting a significant performance boast byL running that CISC code on IPF.  The technical analysis of the NSK conversionG shows IPF is going to be a good move for these folks.  They will get ane( immediate performance boost out of it...   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:23:01 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>S, Subject: Re: Another take on the acquisition( Message-ID: <9n3gm0$o4o$1@pyrite.mv.net>  1 "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote in message21 news:Vibl7.113$Vx1.279901@typhoon2.gnilink.net...o >v4 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message$ > news:9n32vk$8ap$1@pyrite.mv.net...5 > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/21445.htmlo >rJ > No bias showing at all in that article - eh?  While most can see through it5 > one additional point for those not familar with NSKP >NK > > and long standing Tandem customers use MIPS-based Himalaya systems, forP aN > decade >nE > It very likely customers (new or long standing) purchasing Himalayar machinesJ > will move as quickly as possible to IPF.  The current MIPS RISC machines runpJ > CISC emulators.  Compaq is projecting a significant performance boast byC > running that CISC code on IPF.  The technical analysis of the NSK 
 conversionI > shows IPF is going to be a good move for these folks.  They will get ana* > immediate performance boost out of it...  K Perhaps that will help make up for all the performance that those migratinguF from Alpha will lose.  And since the NSK customers never got to run onJ Alpha, they'll never miss it.  But somehow I don't think it will give most( people in c.o.v. much to be happy about.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:19:48 -0500u. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>* Subject: Backup to a Host Based Shadow Set- Message-ID: <3B953764.4C0CDF8@pressenter.com>   H I've been doing some disk timings. We put in a pair of HSG80s and beforeE I put them into production, I've been doing some backups from variouseD disk configurations to other disk configurations. One that I haven'tH done, and I'd like to try, is to backup to a host based shadow set. I've8 been doing "Backup/image/verify" of about 5 Gig of info.  F I know that "normally" one would backup to one disk, then "shadow" the! disk with it's new shadow member.f  G But that's not what I want. I'd like to be able to see what the timingsd< are when the computer's trying to do all the shadow stuff...  
 Any thoughts?i   TIA  Lyndon     --  G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of myT	 employer.e    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:30:23 -0500n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>r. Subject: Re: Backup to a Host Based Shadow Set' Message-ID: <3B959C4F.95074696@fsi.net>t   Lyndon Bartels wrote:  > J > I've been doing some disk timings. We put in a pair of HSG80s and beforeG > I put them into production, I've been doing some backups from variouseF > disk configurations to other disk configurations. One that I haven'tJ > done, and I'd like to try, is to backup to a host based shadow set. I've: > been doing "Backup/image/verify" of about 5 Gig of info. > H > I know that "normally" one would backup to one disk, then "shadow" the# > disk with it's new shadow member.F > I > But that's not what I want. I'd like to be able to see what the timings > > are when the computer's trying to do all the shadow stuff... >  > Any thoughts?E  3 I don't get what you're trying to prove or examine.t   -- t David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:55:12 +0100h% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> & Subject: Carly's email to Compaq staff* Message-ID: <3B953FB0.D47D9564@virgin.net>  = The Inquirer has a copy of the email from HP to Compaq staff:t  ' http://www.theinquirer.net/04090116.htmM   ====     Carly's memo to Compaq   staff       Got hold of Curly's email list  (   By Mike Magee, 04/09/2001 21:00:07 BST  1   HERE'S THE TEXT OF CARLY'S "personal" letter toq6   Compaq employees, full of some high-flying thoughts,5   and the immortal line "I believe we will change thep7   world". This is top stuff. Apply an onion to your eyen;   before you start reading, or if you're British, make suree   your upper lip is stiff.    ===e
 Full text at:   ' http://www.theinquirer.net/04090116.htm- --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 23:21:27 GMT . From: Israel Raj T <israelrt@optushome.com.au>* Subject: Re: Carly's email to Compaq staff8 Message-ID: <rgoapts4kitqm6dh85neomc1f7nvjnj2m2@4ax.com>  C On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:55:12 +0100, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>a wrote:    >  Carly's memo to Compaq  staff  E "I believe we will change the world. And I believe together we can don anything. Warm regards,  Carly"   Hmm....,; It read a bit like one of those "Make $$$$$ fast " letters.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:20:21 GMTi& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>* Subject: Re: Carly's email to Compaq staff7 Message-ID: <9del7.145$Vx1.427895@typhoon2.gnilink.net>o  ; "Israel Raj T" <israelrt@optushome.com.au> wrote in messagen2 news:rgoapts4kitqm6dh85neomc1f7nvjnj2m2@4ax.com...E > On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:55:12 +0100, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>- > wrote: >-" > >  Carly's memo to Compaq  staff >-G > "I believe we will change the world. And I believe together we can dos > anything. Warm regards,o > Carly" >D	 > Hmm....h= > It read a bit like one of those "Make $$$$$ fast " letters.    More like...  A "I'd like to buy the world a Coke and teach it to sing in perfect  harmony..."t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:56:50 -04000 From: "Island Computers" <dbturner@islandco.com>* Subject: Re: Carly's email to Compaq staff/ Message-ID: <tpb4l1kqfkf9d3@news.supernews.com>q   Alan  K Funnily enough - the credo of Bill and Dave is very much like our corporatenI manifesto which we call the "Rules of the Crapper", where WE outlined our G corporate strategy the morning after having had a Vindaloo binge at thet local Indian restaurant.   Funny old game ain't it ?!?!?!   DT       -- David Turner   We sell Alpha systems & partss http://www.islandco.comw sales@islandco.com Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory Street  Savannah GA 31404k Tel: 912 447 6622t Fax: 912 201 0096   0 Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message$ news:3B953FB0.D47D9564@virgin.net...? > The Inquirer has a copy of the email from HP to Compaq staff:n >e) > http://www.theinquirer.net/04090116.htme >a > ==== >f >   Carly's memo to Compaq	 >   staffe >g" >   Got hold of Curly's email list >t* >   By Mike Magee, 04/09/2001 21:00:07 BST >s3 >   HERE'S THE TEXT OF CARLY'S "personal" letter tot8 >   Compaq employees, full of some high-flying thoughts,7 >   and the immortal line "I believe we will change thee9 >   world". This is top stuff. Apply an onion to your eyee= >   before you start reading, or if you're British, make sureu >   your upper lip is stiff.  >  > ===- > Full text at:- > ) > http://www.theinquirer.net/04090116.htmn > -- > Alan Greig >e >m   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 03:40:15 GMTq$ From: Ric Werme <werme@mediaone.net>* Subject: Re: Carly's email to Compaq staff= Message-ID: <z8hl7.18187$zj5.4422439@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>>  ( "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes:    < >"Israel Raj T" <israelrt@optushome.com.au> wrote in message3 >news:rgoapts4kitqm6dh85neomc1f7nvjnj2m2@4ax.com...aF >> On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:55:12 +0100, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>	 >> wrote:  >># >> >  Carly's memo to Compaq  staffu >>H >> "I believe we will change the world. And I believe together we can do >> anything. Warm regards,	 >> Carly"o >>
 >> Hmm....> >> It read a bit like one of those "Make $$$$$ fast " letters.  
 >More like...e  B >"I'd like to buy the world a Coke and teach it to sing in perfect >harmony..."  > Yes, yes, yes!  Oh gee, Google has "about" 1470 references for "buy the world a coke".S  . A serious page from the Library of Congress(!)1 http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/ccmphtml/colaadv.html.  B http://gecko.gc.maricopa.edu/~ajfish/slug.html only has one verse:$   I'd like to buy the world a Coke,    And tamper it with drugs, &   I'd like the world to really think, '   Their skin is crawling with slugs... .   --@ Ric Werme                            | werme@nospam.mediaone.net; http://people.ne.mediaone.net/werme  |       ^^^^^^^ deletel   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:21:59 GMTl% From: Mike Mohr <Mike.Mohr@aut.ac.nz>V- Subject: Re: Compaq staff walk out of meetings) Message-ID: <3B9537DE.E2F99687@aut.ac.nz>s  G With yesterday's announcement that HP is buying Compaq, it appears that # research is taking a new direction.k@ ================================================================@ Mike Mohr, Systems Administrator  === Email: Mike.Mohr@aut.ac.nz@ Information Technology Group      === Phone: 64 9 917-9999 x8133: Auckland University of Technology === Fax:   64 9 917-9901% PO Box 92006, Auckland, New Zealand =1" http://home.aut.ac.nz/staff/mmohr/@ ================================================================C Chaos reigns within.  Repent, reflect, reboot.  Order shall return.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:36:40 -0000i- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)v5 Subject: Re: Compaq's Spin on IBM's AIX Monterey drop 7 Message-ID: <911294ABDwarrenspencer1977@207.126.101.97>v  A n.rieck@sympatico.ca (Neil Rieck) wrote in <PmAk7.3748$A24.512933t @news20.bellglobal.com>:  ' >So IBM is going to focus on Power4 eh?  > ( >http://www.theinquirer.net/02090110.htm > 7 >What was that colloquialism about strange bed fellows?u >d >Neil Rieckb >Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, >Ontario, Canada. " >http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ >  >o >@   This quote:    "Compaq Spin: H The following are some ideas you may want to use when you position this  move with your customers ..."t  L has me puzzled.  Are the bullet points that follow *facts*, or just a bunch I of BS that (H)CPQ sales reps should feel free to dole out to customers?   J Has professional integrity dropped to such a low that we now document and G shovel BS in company memos?  Who are the droids who swallow this whole?    ws   -- C   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)o The Associated Press  L ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements - neither do I  **   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:00:09 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>2 Subject: Re: Conference: CETS-2001 Detailed Update< Message-ID: <dWdl7.1226$CR2.2048527@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  - "jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@home.com> wrote in message 2 news:tfj9ptk96i710a34krudq85m95e2delj4v@4ax.com...F > Well, I guess we all have our answer today on the sudden turn-around4 > in the Alpha business.  Wow!  Is it ever a doozie! >nG > One  real burning question left is:  What will Terry Shannon call his' > publication now?   NOW THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION!N   >i >tG > On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:23:58 -0400, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>e > wrote: >t > >i4 > >"Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote in message5 > >news:anLj7.1361$cJ1.247928@typhoon1.gnilink.net...i > >>4 > >> "- bill" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message< > >> news:841e9c22.0108301720.52039f3b@posting.google.com...C > >> > To refresh your memory:  Compaq broke the written, explicit, A > >> > unequivocal commitments to Alpha's future expressed in thet 'commitment G > >> > to Alpha' letter from Jesse Lipcon and Bill Heil that was postedeF > >> > prominently on Compaq's Web site until well after the June 25thJ > >> > announcement.  In case you never saw that letter during the 2 years orI > >> > so it was there, you can find a copy that I posted to comp.arch onnL > >> > August 19th under the "I hate Compaq" thread (a thread not started byL > >> > me, by the way), since some people there seemed to be unfamiliar withL > >> > the letter and it had finally disappeared from the Web site.  SimilarL > >> > commitments were made to many individual customers as well, of courseJ > >> > - right up to June 25th (see an August 27th post from Alan Greig inK > >> > the same thread for just one example among many).  Compaq broke theme8 > >> > all without any hint of apology, let alone shame. > >>/ > >> You have repeatedly claimed Compaq "lied".s > >>D > >I'm beginning to think that you have severe reading-comprehensionK > >difficulties.  The paragraph above has nothing directly to do with lies:b itJ > >explicitly addresses the 'broken commitments' portion of what you asked fortL > >details about (though, as Jan pointed out in his response, the letter wasD > >used, right up to June 25th, to *support* subsequent lies told by Compaq). > >  > >... > >eL > >> The fact is was posted after June 25th does not mean someone knew the 2 > >yeariK > >> old letter was there and intentionally left it posted.  Who knows if IbJ > >> search Compaq's web site I might find an old page talking about their > >> commitment to the PDP-11. > > I > >Again, see Jan's response:  not only was Compaq well aware that it wasuI > >there, but it consistently used it to bolster subsequent statements oft > >commitment. > >t > >>G > >> You set the standard that Compaq "lied" (known falsehoods) and yout failed > >tol% > >> meet the standard with this one.t > >mB > >No, you just failed to meet minimal standards of comprehension. > >  > >>I > >> > Compaq attempted to justify the decision by asserting that Alpha'soH > >> > engineers had told it that Alpha would have difficulty keeping up withH > >> > IA64's performance.  One Alpha architect has stated publicly that thisJ > >> > was an outright double-lie (i.e., no such statement was made by theG > >> > Alpha engineers, nor do they concur with its content:  Alpha wasRG > >> > chugging right along the path laid out for it years ago, with norJ > >> > unexpected recent hiccups - until Compaq pulled out the rug on JuneC > >> > 25th), and other Alpha architects (plus one high-level AlphacH > >> > development manager) have privately agreed with him.  Not one has come+ > >> > forward to support Compaq's version.r > >>I > >> You will have to point me to where one of these Alpha architect saids	 > >this - < > >> forgive if I don't have blind faith in your statements. > >6D > >What I don't forgive you for is your failure to make even minimal attemptsI > >to become familiar with the material under discussion before wading inf andsE > >suggesting that people who *have* made that effort don't know whatv they'ren > >talking about.r > >yC > >If you didn't see them at the time, you can search comp.arch andr comp.os.vmsoJ > >for posts from Brannon Batson as easily as I can:  I suggest you do so. > >t > >  Also I need youruF > >> reference to where Compaq said it would have trouble "keeping up" becauseyI > >> from day one I heard it as Compaq would have trouble maintaining its I > >> performance edge over IPF three generations out.  What I was told isy veryI > >> different than what you claim Compaq said - there is a major betweennG > >> "keeping up" and "maintaining its performance edge".  It was never- > >expressedC > >> to me as Alpha falling behind but instead IPF closing the gap.< > >IB > >The latter is as much a lie as the former, according to private
 statementsJ > >made by the Alpha engineers in question to multiple people (at least to PaulD > >DeMone and myself, plus I think to Bob Kaplow).  And you may find explicitG > >public statements by Brannon to that effect, though I'm not sure nowo whethere > >they were public or private.t > >tE > >There was also a private, internal statement by a high-level AlphaMC > >development manager that the decision to drop Alpha was made fors	 business,n > >not technical, reasons. > >aL > >While the suggestion that Alpha would have difficulty keeping up was made atI > >some point, I don't have the patience to wade through Google trying toy findK > >it.  So let's just call the contention that Alpha couldn't have retainedw aP; > >significant performance lead a lie and leave it at that.a > >m > >>H > >> My understanding of what drove the decision was more than pure chip speed.H > >> I was told upfront that it was at the system performance level that became > >> the issue.e > >iK > >All the more reason for Compaq to retain the advantages Alpha gave it inIC > >that area - e.g., EV7's on-chip glue, which would have given EV8n
 continuingD > >*system* advantages over the competition in addition to EV8's new	 features.m > >.L > >Alpha's advantages weren't only in on-chip speed, but in integration thatJ > >enhanced overall system speed.  Now they're stalled as of EV7, and will/ > >appear in IA64 (if at all) years after that.  > >nC > >  Remember Alpha's performance advantage was both its chip speedPI > >> and the fact that it was 64 bit.  What the team saw who was buildinga theHL > >> follow-on to the Wildfire was the IPF systems would close in on Alpha's > >> systems in the future > >uD > >Bullshit.  The Wildfire follow-on is Marvel, which will enjoy theK > >performance advantages of EV7's on-chip glue and thus draw farther ahead  ofK > >IPF in real-world use rather than lose ground.  EV8 showed every promisee ofI > >even greater performance differentiation in server applications due tot SMTrJ > >(with no loss of ground even in single-threaded use, due to its ability to > >use 8-wide issue there)., > >'8 > > - it was never ever expressed to me as Alpha systems% > >> would have trouble "keeping up".  > >>K > >> I seriously disagree with your statement as to what Compaq claimed - I4 see02 > >> no lie here. Plus the article you quote belowJ > >> (http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20010625S0105 ) backs up what I said
 > >> above...  > >>? > >>     "This is a very bold move for us," said Rich Marcello,o8 > >>     vice president and general manager for Compaq's5 > >>     performance systems group. He noted that thef8 > >>     Alpha road map extended for several more years,; > >>     but that starting around 2004, when the chip woulda< > >>     have competed head-to-head against Intel's Itanium,F > >>     its performance advantage would begin to erode significantly.= > >>     "When we looked at our road map and overlaid it withe< > >>     Intel's road map, we found there was no substantialA > >>     performance benefit," he said. "Basically, we are saying D > >>     that we couldn't differentiate ourselves at the CPU level." > >>J > >> ... he did not say that there was a problem with "keeping up" he said > >there4 > >> was a problem with maintaining the "advantage". > >-J > >The phrase 'no substantial performance benefit' is quite a bit stronger thanF > >the allegation that the advantage might erode somewhat - but to all > >appearances both are false. > >6H > >The advantages (on-chip glue for RAMBUS and SMP) that EV7 enjoys overF > >McKinley, and those that EV8 would have added (SMT plus wider-issueK > >single-thread performance were biggies, but there may have been others),dJ > >plus the absence of any new indication of post-McKinley enhancements toI > >IA64, plus the arguments advanced in Compaq's own alpha-vs.-IA64 whiteo paper K > >(alpha_ia64.pdf), make it reasonable to call Rich's statements lies:  hee wasaL > >certainly well aware of all these factors (having been using them to sell: > >Alphas for years), and made no attempt to address them. > >c > >>J > >> > Inconsistently, Compaq also, via employee newsgroup posts and via aH > >> > discussion Mark Gorham and VMS engineers had with 'Alphaman' (seeD > >> > c.o.v. posts the week of the announcement), stated that AlphaJ > >> > technology would be used to 'rescue' the failing IA64 architecture,L > >> > resulting in technology equivalent to what Alpha otherwise would haveH > >> > been - and in a time-frame that would benefit the VMS port by the timeD > >> > it was completed.  This lie was so incompetent (and likely soK > >> > unwelcome when Intel heard about it) that it died out very quickly -oE > >> > but it nonetheless happened, and Compaq is accountable for it.a > >>L > >> Internal newsgroup postings - give me a break.  Compaq (not individuals inL > >> newsgroups) has never publically said, that I have seen, that the Alpha > >teamw > >> would "rescue" IPF. > >hH > >You're free to call Alphaman a liar, but I'd suggest that having Mark GorhamE > >do so would be more appropriate, since to all appearances you knowx* > >absolutely nothing about the situation. > >-I > >And as for newsgroup postings, you have Compaq to thank for not having1 other2< > >more formal discussion forums to depend upon for answers. > >: > >... > >l9 > >> I would want to see the exact Mark Gorham statement.j > >@H > >As I suspect would a lot of people, including me.  Why not ask him to take/ > >the initiative in breaking Compaq's silence?I > >e > >  As far as what mostK > >> employees (not Compaq but employees) said the week of the announcement. it > >> should be ignored.o > >sF > >Funny - at least one of them went so far as to say that he had been > >authorized to speak.2 > >i > >... > > J > >> > And Compaq presented Alpha development costs as being unsupportableL > >> > (see a June 27th eWeek interview with Winkler, plus additional drivelD > >> > from Terry and others - including you).  I responded to theseB > >> > assertions in a July 19th posting in the c.o.v. "Alpha:  an
 invitationH > >> > to communicate" thread, plus other smaller supporting posts sinceF > >> > then, and, again, no one has stepped forward with contradictoryK > >> > evidence to suggest that this was not yet another Compaq lie (though I > >> > an EETimes story - http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20010625S0105 -wH > >> > suggests that Winkler's statement that Alpha's annual developmentH > >> > costs were $300 million was yet another lie, and the R&D spendingF > >> > projections in Compaq's own annual reports tend to support that > >> > suspicion). > >>C > >> My understanding is the costs came from all of Alpha _systems_o developmentvK > >> and NOT just the cost of pure chip development.  For example each time F > >> Compaq needed to burn a new set of ASIC's for the Wildfire duringI > >> development the cost was about one million dollars per batch - thosea costG > >> start to add up very quickly.  It is not just the chip - it is thet totalpG > >> cost of maintaining the server development effort unique to Alpha.0 > >>E > >> Did Winkler say "Alpha's annual development costs" or did he say  "Alpha'sH > >> annual _chip_ development costs".  There is a big difference there.	 > >Please 1 > >> point me to the source of the Winkler quote.s > >nL > >I did:  the June 27th eWeek article I mentioned above.  Here's the quote: > >tI > >'According to Winkler, just to design and develop future generation ofk Alpha,D > >was costing Compaq $300 million a year, he said. "That's no small change," > >he said.'  K I believe that's chip development, integration with Alpha systems and (darelL I say it?) marketing. Chip development (IIRC) was $150M per year. As for the rest, who knows? > >s > >and the URL:iE > >http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2780645,00.html- > >uC > >However, since Compaq's server-development expenses are at least 	 currently J > >slated to continue (e.g., its 'commitment' to develop Marvel-style IA64K > >servers, though exactly what that means is not clear, given that so muchp ofJ > >Marvel's attraction derives from EV7's on-chip glue features which seemI > >impossible to add to IA64 before 2005 at the earliest), including suchmJ > >expenses in the figure above would seem disingenuous at best, but couldH > >explain the factor-of-2 discrepancy between the EETimes cost estimate (and- > >the Compaq annual reports') and Winkler's.f  I Marvel is a done deal. It booted VMS and Tru64 in June. (Pass One silicon > from IBM, pass Zero executed instructi9ons but would not boot.   > >a > >>  > >> > Clear enough for you now? > >>L > >> All that is clear Bill is that your conclusions are based upon the spin > >youL > >> have attached to Compaq's actions and not what Compaq has actually been > >> saying. > >wL > >Why *anyone* would treat what Compaq says at this point as significant isI > >not at all obvious.  But its statements in the Heil/Lipcon letter wereiJ > >entirely unambiguous, so at least in that case my conclusions are based on > >*exactly* what Compaq said.  H Alas, Lipcon left in October (31 to be exact), Heil followed in January.   > >e@ > >  You haven't backup up your case that Compaq "lied" (willfulJ > >> misrepresentation) and several statements you made above are contrary to > >> what I heard from Compaq. > >:K > >So?  Why do you believe Compaq rather than, say, the Alpha engineers who K > >vigorously and without a single dissenting voice deny what Compaq claimse% > >they told it?  Please be specific.o > > 4 > >  They only claim above you have that holds water4 > >> is that Compaq's commitment to Alpha changed... > >=I > >There's a not-very-subtle difference between one's internal feeling ofnG > >'commitment' to a platform and one's external, explict, written, andU% > >repeated commitments to customers.   F C'est true. Try doing a search on "SCULPTOR"(the 64-bit NT effort thatL Pesatori nuked!). Assuming it's public domain (and if not it can be made so)I it is interesting reading indeed. Recall the effort to port NS/SQL to NT?- And the VMS file system for NT?e    Gee, wonder what happened there?   Hint: it wasn't pretty.g   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:14:25 GMT & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>2 Subject: Re: Conference: CETS-2001 Detailed Update7 Message-ID: <B7el7.144$Vx1.423419@typhoon2.gnilink.net>c  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messageh6 news:dWdl7.1226$CR2.2048527@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... >m/ > "jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@home.com> wrote in messageKI > > One  real burning question left is:  What will Terry Shannon call his/ > > publication now? >h > NOW THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION!h  & No change needed - it can be SK"C" ;-)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:11:41 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>*2 Subject: Re: Conference: CETS-2001 Detailed Update( Message-ID: <9n3u2l$bp4$1@pyrite.mv.net>  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagew6 news:dWdl7.1226$CR2.2048527@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... >o/ > "jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@home.com> wrote in messager4 > news:tfj9ptk96i710a34krudq85m95e2delj4v@4ax.com...H > > Well, I guess we all have our answer today on the sudden turn-around6 > > in the Alpha business.  Wow!  Is it ever a doozie! > >-I > > One  real burning question left is:  What will Terry Shannon call hiss > > publication now? >j > NOW THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION!D  : Now *that's* a strange name (but not entirely inappropos).   ...n  K > > >'According to Winkler, just to design and develop future generation ofk > AlphaeF > > >was costing Compaq $300 million a year, he said. "That's no small
 > change," > > >he said.' >pG > I believe that's chip development, integration with Alpha systems andn (daresJ > I say it?) marketing. Chip development (IIRC) was $150M per year. As for theS > rest, who knows?  D Thanks - seemed a reasonable guess at the reason the EETime Marcello9 interview number was $150 million, but no way to be sure.t   ...s  K > > >There's a not-very-subtle difference between one's internal feeling oflI > > >'commitment' to a platform and one's external, explict, written, and3' > > >repeated commitments to customers.r > H > C'est true. Try doing a search on "SCULPTOR"(the 64-bit NT effort thatJ > Pesatori nuked!). Assuming it's public domain (and if not it can be made so)eK > it is interesting reading indeed. Recall the effort to port NS/SQL to NT?p! > And the VMS file system for NT?J  - No luck searching publicly at www.compaq.com.    >h" > Gee, wonder what happened there? >> > Hint: it wasn't pretty.i  / By this time, I've got a fairly strong stomach.g   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:59:54 -0700 3 From: David Spencer <spencer@spaamfree.recneps.com> 7 Subject: Converting a stream_lf file to a variable fileo> Message-ID: <040920012159543881%spencer@spaamfree.recneps.com>  > How about a timeout over the take-under of HP by Compaq for an actual question :)  G I've got some files generated by a C program that are Stream_LF format.mG I'd like to write a BASIC program to read them. I've considered severale/ options but with little success in any of them.a  A Is there a CONVERT/FDL that works? Or perhaps someone has a niftyeD subroutine in C that I could call that would return the data line by? line? (I'm not a C programmer.) Or another worthy suggestion onh how I may solve my problem?n  + All of this is happening on VMS Alpha 7.2-1u  B Many thanks to you all, now back to the Fear and Loathing of HP...   -- Dave Spencero   ------------------------------   Date: 4 SEP 2001 18:33:12 GMT + From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>s- Subject: Re: DCL command file to requeue jobsd1 Message-ID: <4SEP01.18331217@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>   9 In a previous article, "Airnews" <Kuff@Tessco.Com> wrote:aM > Thought I saw a command file that would re-create in a DCL script all of he 6 > jobs queued in a system... that way one could changeL > "_$1$Dua10:[Foo]Test.Dat;37" to _$1$Dga1276:[Foo]Test.Dat;"  and re-submitL > them after zapping the queue file... thinking an OpenVMS upgrade that usesN > this for cases where jobs are queued and they need to completely restructure > the queue file...y  H I have such a procedure.  I haven't used it in a long time and even thenI the output .com wasn't perfect.  Let me know if you still have a need and> I'll email it to you.t   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2001 13:50:25 -0700e) From: google@mccready.com (Gary McCready)l- Subject: Re: DCL command file to requeue jobsl= Message-ID: <6e64ea70.0109041250.545bc447@posting.google.com>c  C Try checking out FIXQUE.COM, which would dump all the jobs, and the C queue setups, and the forms, into a DCL .com file, and allow you tog4 specify what you want to restore. It can be found at  9 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/FIXQUE/u  6 Worked for me, but I have not tried the above version.   --Gary McCready 2 ---My opinions have nothing to do with my employer      x "Airnews" <Kuff@Tessco.Com> wrote in message news:<DAC100152F603D79.3FAB745C8999546F.87C96A7F18847D20@lp.airnews.net>...   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:16:14 GMTo& From: GreyCloud <drholland10@home.com>) Subject: Re: Digital and Alpha to Survivey( Message-ID: <3B951B32.83F22E6A@home.com>   "www.islandco.com" wrote:   N > I wonder if the "digital" logo and the Alpha name will come back to life now > that HP is purchasing Compaq >uN > HP being a more Scientific company, I am sure holds a lot of respect for the > Digital of yester-decade.  >a1 > HP could do a lot by rekindling the DEC badge -p >oH > Hope they keep the discounts in check also - good for us resellers :0) >d > DAVIDt >  > -- > David B Turner > Sales Dpt ! > Island Computers US Corporation  > 2700 Gregory Streetr > Suite 180" > Savannah GA 31404e > Tel: 912 447 6622a > Fax: 912 201 0096d > sales@islandco.com > www.islandco.com) > http://www.islandco.com/legal-email.htmr >c > We sell Alpha's !t  % How much do you know about Capellas??i; He is going to be the president and CEO of this new merger.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:55:10 +0100i% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> ) Subject: Re: Digital and Alpha to Survive * Message-ID: <3B95319E.3910CB33@virgin.net>   GreyCloud wrote:   >  >t' > How much do you know about Capellas??e= > He is going to be the president and CEO of this new merger.e  P No he isn't. He will be president but the HP CEO will be the CEO of the combined company called HP.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 01:13:57 GMTy& From: GreyCloud <drholland10@home.com>) Subject: Re: Digital and Alpha to Survivew( Message-ID: <3B957D1B.DA10D654@home.com>   Alan Greig wrote:t   > GreyCloud wrote: >n > >a > > ) > > How much do you know about Capellas??r? > > He is going to be the president and CEO of this new merger.  >fR > No he isn't. He will be president but the HP CEO will be the CEO of the combined > company called HP. >s > -- > Alan Greig  O Maybe the gal on FoxNews and also the ones at TechTv have gotten it wrong then.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:57:53 -0500s. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>) Subject: Re: Digital and Alpha to Survivee. Message-ID: <3B953241.43E2303F@pressenter.com>   Alan Greig wrote:l >  > GreyCloud wrote: >  > >e > >f) > > How much do you know about Capellas??f? > > He is going to be the president and CEO of this new merger.t > R > No he isn't. He will be president but the HP CEO will be the CEO of the combined > company called HP. >  > -- > Alan Greig  G It will be interesting to see what happens. But I'd be willing to wageriG a dollar that Capellas will be gone in less than a year. I really don'tpE think his new job/title will carry with it a great deal of authority. F Combine that with the Board of Directors being heavily weighted on the> previous HP side, I doubt that Capellas will survive for long.   --  G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of mye	 employer.u    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 01:25:28 GMTlL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")) Subject: Re: Digital and Alpha to Survive 8 Message-ID: <00A018F7.6FAD334F@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  Q In article <3B957D1B.DA10D654@home.com>, GreyCloud <drholland10@home.com> writes:e >Alan Greig wrote: >s >> GreyCloud wrote:e >> >> > >> >* >> > How much do you know about Capellas??@ >> > He is going to be the president and CEO of this new merger. >>S >> No he isn't. He will be president but the HP CEO will be the CEO of the combined, >> company called HP.n >> >> --e
 >> Alan Greig  >dP >Maybe the gal on FoxNews and also the ones at TechTv have gotten it wrong then.  N Maybe they have.  (CNN and both the Compaq and HP websites have the Fiorina as CEO, Capellas as Pres info.)   -- Alany  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056nM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:07:33 -0500 . From: Duncan Brown <brown_du@eisner.decus.org>Y Subject: Re: dir help ---%LIBRAR-F-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]NCS$LIBRARY.Nn0 Message-ID: <3B951865.D9831006@eisner.decus.org>   Didier Morandi wrote:a >  > Michael Young wrote: >  > > $ TYPE PTF.COM > > !PTF.COM ->PURGE TEMP FILESc& > > !CLEANS UP ROUTINELY UPDATED FILES > > !  > > $ON WARNING THEN EXIT 6 > > $DIR TEMP.TXT, CUSTOMERS.TXT, SUPPLIERS.TXT, *.COM > > $PURGE TEMP.TXTw > > $PURGE CUSTOMERS.TXT > > $PURGE SUPPLIERS.TXT > > $PURGE *.COM6 > > $DIR TEMP.TXT, CUSTOMERS.TXT, SUPPLIERS.TXT, *.COM > > $> > > $n > > $l
 > > $ @PTF > >i) > > Directory ESONIC$DKB200:[WPG_MICHAEL]> > >u= > > TEMP.TXT;29         CUSTOMERS.TXT;106   CUSTOMERS.TXT;105  > > SUPPLIERS.TXT;21J > > SUPPLIERS.TXT;20    2.COM;12            DEFKEYS.COM;11      FIND.COM;43 > > PR.COM;11           PTF.COM;4           X.COM;2r > >i > > Total of 11 files.H > > %LIBRAR-F-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]NCS$LIBRARY.NLB;1 > > as inputC > > -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violations > > $o >  > A few comments:  > J > 1. All HP OpenVMS DCL command procedure lines should start with a dollar > sign, even commented lines.d > > > 2. Obviously you have some DCL verbs redefined, as the PURGE6 > demonstrates (/KEEP=2 defined within the PURGE verb) > @ > 3. May I suggest you give understandable names to your command+ > procedures instead of PTF, 2, X, PR etc.?  > % > Could you post a $ show symbol DIR?r  C I believe   $ show symbol purge    will be more enlightening.  If IoD understand his output above, it does the DIR just fine but PURGE forC some reason is trying to access the NCS library (whatever that is.)m   Duncan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:37:38 +0200 < From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@home.com>Y Subject: Re: dir help ---%LIBRAR-F-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]NCS$LIBRARY.N ( Message-ID: <3B953B92.C13AAEAD@home.com>  1 NCS : National Character Set, if I'm not wrong...s Jan-Erik Sderholm.o   Duncan Brown wrote:p; >...is trying to access the NCS library (whatever that is.)e >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:07:20 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> Y Subject: Re: dir help ---%LIBRAR-F-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]NCS$LIBRARY.N ' Message-ID: <3B9596E8.2799F7BA@fsi.net>    Michael Young wrote: > 	 > Hi all,r > H > Can anyone tell me what I've done wrong here using dir in a .com file? > [snip] > $g > $h > $ TYPE PTF.COM > !PTF.COM ->PURGE TEMP FILESn$ > !CLEANS UP ROUTINELY UPDATED FILES > !g  % Comment lines need "$" in position 1.    > $ON WARNING THEN EXITh4 > $DIR TEMP.TXT, CUSTOMERS.TXT, SUPPLIERS.TXT, *.COM  G Spaces between list elements are superfluous. I consider that bad form,w but that's just me.G   > $PURGE TEMP.TXT> > $PURGE CUSTOMERS.TXT > $PURGE SUPPLIERS.TXT > $PURGE *.COM4 > $DIR TEMP.TXT, CUSTOMERS.TXT, SUPPLIERS.TXT, *.COM > $n > $  > $p > $ @PTF > ' > Directory ESONIC$DKB200:[WPG_MICHAEL]t > ; > TEMP.TXT;29         CUSTOMERS.TXT;106   CUSTOMERS.TXT;105a > SUPPLIERS.TXT;21H > SUPPLIERS.TXT;20    2.COM;12            DEFKEYS.COM;11      FIND.COM;41 > PR.COM;11           PTF.COM;4           X.COM;2  >  > Total of 11 files.F > %LIBRAR-F-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]NCS$LIBRARY.NLB;1
 > as inputA > -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationr > $c  G Put a "$ SET VERIFY" as the first line and try running it again. Shouldg@ prove interesting. For even more fun, follow that with a "$ SHOW3 SYMBOL/ALL/GLOBAL" before the ON WARNING statement.h   --   David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/q   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:13:34 GMTH& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>: Subject: Re: European Merger Block (was Re: I hate Compaq)9 Message-ID: <iR8l7.8178$Op6.1612159@typhoon1.gnilink.net>   < "Sander Vesik" <sander@haldjas.folklore.ee> wrote in message, news:999625376.496782@haldjas.folklore.ee...4 > In comp.arch Jeff Killeen <Jeff@idm-io.com> wrote:G > > My guess is the Europeans are getting close to touching off a majorL tradehG > > war. The GE/Honeywell merger raised red flags because the blocked a  mergerI > > of US based companies that the US regulators had cleared.  It appears  thatI > > the EU is applying a higher standard to US only based company mergerse thanC > > EU/EU or EU/US based company mergers.  It may or may not be the 	 Compaq/HPtJ > > merger but there are folks in Congress taking note and there are a lot of2 > > folks in Congress from California and Texas... >mK > Unless you haven't been paying attention - US and EU have been in various J > states of trade war for last several years over various kinds of issues, > inc. bananas.   ; Note the use of the term "major" in the original posting...o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:26:03 GMTt' From: ben_myers@charter.net (Ben Myers) : Subject: Re: European Merger Block (was Re: I hate Compaq)0 Message-ID: <3b955432.39904597@news.charter.net>   Alan,h  @ I'm with you, even tho I'm on the western side of the pond.  TheD present administration in Washington is very very very pro-business,F which is tantamount to defanging the regulators.  The only reason that< they'd take (negotiate) some action against Microsoft is theE overwhelming public sentiment against Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer & Co.   B After all, monetary contributions from big business bought "W" hisF presidency, along with a nudge in Florida, so why not be pro-business?  D I know this is a DEC newsgroup, but politics and business intersect.  
 ... Ben Myerss  C On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 15:57:56 +0100, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  wrote:  C >On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:40:53 GMT, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>  >wrote:l >nK >>My guess is the Europeans are getting close to touching off a major trade?L >>war. The GE/Honeywell merger raised red flags because the blocked a mergerL >>of US based companies that the US regulators had cleared.  It appears thatL >>the EU is applying a higher standard to US only based company mergers thanK >>EU/EU or EU/US based company mergers.  It may or may not be the Compaq/HPtK >>merger but there are folks in Congress taking note and there are a lot ofi0 >>folks in Congress from California and Texas... >lA >Perhaps if US regulators still had teeth the European regulators G >wouldn't need to keep stepping in? But I agree ultimately this sort of F >thing could spark off a trade war and considering the great Europe/USD >banana trade war has just ended maybe both sides would like to play >for higher stakes.l >" >>> Alan >> >> >--j >Alan:  	 Ben MyersC Spirit of Performance, Inc.s 73 Westcott Road Harvard, MA 014512 tel: 978-456-3889T eFax: 810-963-0412 r  PayPal, MC, VISA, AMEX accepted.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 02:53:31 GMTs+ From: Hugh Bonney <hfbonney@bolt.sonic.net> : Subject: Re: European Merger Block (was Re: I hate Compaq)2 Message-ID: <Lsgl7.369$bJ2.2298@typhoon.sonic.net>   Rather OT -N  5 In comp.arch Ben Myers <ben_myers@charter.net> wrote:- : Alan,-  B : I'm with you, even tho I'm on the western side of the pond.  TheF : present administration in Washington is very very very pro-business,2 : which is tantamount to defanging the regulators.  <   Except that that is not pro-business, just pro- a business1   which has kicked in a lot of money or whatever..  >   A market is an evolutionary process which requires variation=   to select from. So the regulators are there to preserve thee   market and business. y     h.---d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:03:56 -0500-. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>) Subject: Re: Feeling Better about Itaniumo. Message-ID: <3B9533AC.21BBED0C@pressenter.com>  B What will Intel's 64 bit processor be in 3, or 4, or 5 years... ItF depends. I think it depends on the number of Alpha engineers that stayF with the project. The more alpha engineers that stay with the project,4 the more it will be like alpha. The fewer the less.   E I think that Intel was smart, and they don't have a lot to loose. The F current 64 bit offering isn't exactly selling like hot-cakes. It wouldH be no great leap (or loss) for Intel to say that at some generation, theB hardware is incompatible with previous versions. At some point theF Intel-ized Alpha processor will be introduced as the "next generation"
 of IA-64.   G But who knows...... It's anybody guess.... And besides.... Some desktop B nimnull installed NT on my cystal ball, and it hasn't worked right
 since....!     -- oG My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my 	 employer.'    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 23:33:52 -0600c* From: yyyc186@illegaltospam.mindspring.com  Subject: G Q Bob busts up Compaq; Message-ID: <3b95b969$1$lllp186$mr2ice@nntp.mindspring.com>s   Well Terry,i  H It didn't take long for my prediction of GQ Oswald setting Compaq up for sale to come true now did it?r   Roland   -- s; -----------------------------------------------------------l yyyc186@mindspring.com; -----------------------------------------------------------e   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2001 19:04:28 GMT ; From: Josef Kolbitsch <skol@sbox.remove.for.spam.tugraz.at>m0 Subject: hobbyist license and cpu serial number.1 Message-ID: <9n38js$1cj$1@fstgss02.tu-graz.ac.at>i      hi there!  I    i wantd to get a hobbyist license at montagar.com, and i have to enteraL the "CPU Serial Number" of my workstation. unfortunately it is a third partyE alpha-pc164 workstation, and there is no serial number on the machineoL itself. how can i find out the serial number of my cpu? (do i have to removeL the fan, and the number is printed on the cpu itself? i did that once, and i4 know at least that there is no label on the cpu ...)      thanks for your answers,a    	    josef.r   -- d9 ---------------------------------------------------------d  josef kolbitsch  > skol@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at8  > http://www.sbox.tu-graz.ac.at/home/s/skol   -> NEW <-9 ---------------------------------------------------------e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:25:36 -0500o. From: Duncan Brown <brown_du@eisner.decus.org>4 Subject: Re: hobbyist license and cpu serial number.0 Message-ID: <3B952AB0.5C96A5B4@eisner.decus.org>   Josef Kolbitsch wrote: >  >    hi there! > K >    i wantd to get a hobbyist license at montagar.com, and i have to entersN > the "CPU Serial Number" of my workstation. unfortunately it is a third partyG > alpha-pc164 workstation, and there is no serial number on the machineiN > itself. how can i find out the serial number of my cpu? (do i have to removeN > the fan, and the number is printed on the cpu itself? i did that once, and i6 > know at least that there is no label on the cpu ...)  D This is not an official response from anyone in charge, of course...  D There is no mechanism for tying the serial number on your machine toF anything VMS can access.  So the serial number coded into the HobbyistH PAK as a result of your entering it on the web page is purely there as aE verification mechanism.  Someone auditing licenses could look at yournH PAK and find the same serial number on your machine and know that it was legitimate.r  G If there is truly no number anywhere on your machine (e.g. it was builtnB up from components, including a generic case) then I would suggestH making up your own!  Write or engrave it on the case, enter into the PAKG generator, and then you are legitimate in both the spirit and letter of, the license.   Just my opinion, Duncan   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2001 20:48:38 GMTy; From: Josef Kolbitsch <skol@sbox.remove.for.spam.tugraz.at>o4 Subject: Re: hobbyist license and cpu serial number.1 Message-ID: <9n3en6$8qa$1@fstgss02.tu-graz.ac.at>s  / Duncan Brown <brown_du@eisner.decus.org> wrote:cI > If there is truly no number anywhere on your machine (e.g. it was builtaD > up from components, including a generic case) then I would suggest > making up your own!n  F    i did so, and it worked fine with the pak-generator. so i hope that'    the installation of openvms works :)u      thanks for your answer,    	    josef.    --  9 ---------------------------------------------------------2  josef kolbitsch  > skol@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at8  > http://www.sbox.tu-graz.ac.at/home/s/skol   -> NEW <-9 ---------------------------------------------------------i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:08:22 -0500-. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>, Subject: How to backup a directory structure. Message-ID: <3B9534B6.5021886A@pressenter.com>  F I want to do a disk-to-disk backup. But I don't want the disks, I want9 to copy over the directory and sub-directory structure...n   Any good ways of doing that?     Tia    Lyndon -- hG My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of myn	 employer.     H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:29:15 -0500e1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>g0 Subject: Re: How to backup a directory structure& Message-ID: <3B959C0B.17FFCB1@fsi.net>   Lyndon Bartels wrote:h > H > I want to do a disk-to-disk backup. But I don't want the disks, I want; > to copy over the directory and sub-directory structure...  >  > Any good ways of doing that?  
 Yeah. BACKUP.n  F Note, however, that in some cases, disk-to-disk BACKUP loses ACLs. You@ must BACKUP/IMAGE disk->saveset->disk in order to preserve them.  F Discovered that on a heavily patched V6.2 VAX cluster. Don't have time! tonight to experiment on Alpha...9   -- 3 David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemsw http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2001 20:32:18 -0700s1 From: brimacombep@netscape.net (Peter Brimacombe)e Subject: Re: HP buying Compaq?= Message-ID: <814f6e3f.0109041932.5c3be55c@posting.google.com>   [ ChrisQ <lightwork@aerosys.co.uk> wrote in message news:<3B94E8EF.345CDB23@aerosys.co.uk>...n     Hpaq - good one!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:54:16 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i< Subject: Re: HP press release on merger between Compaq an HP' Message-ID: <3B9593D8.BB461C00@fsi.net>    Sue Skonetski wrote: > H > HEWLETT-PACKARD AND COMPAQ AGREE TO MERGE, CREATING $87 BILLION GLOBAL > TECHNOLOGY LEADERfG > Will Offer Businesses And Consumers Most Complete Set Of Products And-= > Services, With Commitment To Open Systems And Architectures  [snip]   Hi, Sue,  ? Could you ask Richard or Mark (if they haven't already left forRE CETS-2001 (what'll they call it next year? HPETS?)) for some official.; statement regarding the impact of the merger on OpenVMS and,
 StorageWorks?o   -- @ David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems: http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:10:45 -0500* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>. Subject: RE: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail)- Message-ID: <0033000034146380000002L002*@MHS>o   =0AI suggest PackPaq.e   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETe+ > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:14 PMPD > To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET0 > Subject: RE: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail) >- >I< > > The new company to be fair to Hewlett-Packard and Compaq > ltd will probable be# > a > combination of the two names.l+ > > So its likely to be Hewlett-Packard ltdR >C8 > Perfectly true. It's actually going to be just Hewlett > Packard. They also seem=? > to want to promote it initially as the "New HP". Sort of like  > New Labour in the  > UK I guess :(n >r > -- > Alan Greig >=   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:29:30 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>. Subject: RE: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail)@ Message-ID: <20010904182930.66209.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>  & For us, would be  enough Digital ! :-)     Regards    FC=20 / --- WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote:E >=20 > I suggest PackPaq. >=20 > WWWebb >=20 > > -----Original Message-----3 > > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET.- > > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:14 PM>$ > > To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC;# > Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETL2 > > Subject: RE: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail) > >T > >.3 > > > The new company to be fair to Hewlett-Packard  > and Compaq > > ltd will probable be% > > a > combination of the two names.T- > > > So its likely to be Hewlett-Packard ltd1 > >e2 > > Perfectly true. It's actually going to be just	 > HewlettL > > Packard. They also seem 4 > > to want to promote it initially as the "New HP". > Sort of like > > New Labour in then > > UK I guess :(H > >n > > -- > > Alan Greig > >e     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dr F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil) fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?L Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger=   http://im.yahoo.coms   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:10:02 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>-. Subject: Re: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail), Message-ID: <3B954322.AD1FE4E6@videotron.ca>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:! > What does HP want with Compaq? S  K 25 billion bucks to eliminate your competitor and acquire all its customers D and the intellectual properties that remain from Digital and Tandem.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:32:04 -0400h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> . Subject: Re: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail), Message-ID: <3B95484B.2ECED594@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote:C > The ones that are making money.  Count on a unified Unix.  Having ( > too many Unixes is counter-productive.    K From the letter from Capellas, published in the inquirer, Capellas admitted H that it lacked a significant UNIX presence but that True64 did have some. technical advantages in some marklet segments.  K The way I see it, Compaq threw in the towel, donated Alpha to Intel, and isON now donating the rest of the Digital and Tandem stiff to HP. The logical thing? to do is to get HP-UX to adopt Tru64,s clustering capabilities.o  1 VMS will remain an orphan hidden in the basement.P  K I have absolutely no sad feelings about the demise of Compaq. Compaq killedS Alpha, it deserves to die.  L Consider the difficulty they had in recruiting a CEO to replace Pfeiffer andN were forced to promote some accountant who volunteered for the job. No offenceJ to Capellas, but he definitely isn't of the caliber to run such a company.Q Compaq needed either a visionary such as Steve Jobs or a true CEO like IBM's ceo.   I I wonder if Capellas figured it was better FOT HIS CARREER to cannabalisepD Compaq and spin it like a "win" instead of continuing his lacklustre: management and eventually be fired with whatevert package.  1 The guy should have stepped away a long time ago.o  L As far as I am concerned, HP purchased Digital and Tandem. Compaq disapears, except for its iPAQ.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:34:40 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>/. Subject: Re: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail), Message-ID: <3B9548E6.B955FE2A@videotron.ca>   Bob Koehler wrote:H >    I now join the ranks of those who hope to see VMS spun off as/to an >    independent vendor.  J You can hope all you want but it isn't going to happen. HP is not about toN unleash a potential competitor. VMS is far better sequestered in the basement,I still producing some revenus but not affecting/competing against the coren products of the company.  H If they sell VMS to a company that would really push VMS, VMS would thenM become a fierce competitor to all the UNIX and NT and negatively affect theirr
 market share.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:53:44 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>m. Subject: Re: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail), Message-ID: <3B954D5D.F52A01B8@videotron.ca>   David Mathog wrote:aO > The stockholders are going to have to approve this as well, and if I was one,vO > I'd  vote NO on spending $25 Billion to buy Compaq and the world of hurt thata > will go along with that.  K From HP's point of view, I think I might agree. On the other hand, consider" the following scenario:.  ' Carly is having problems rebuilding HP.eM Compaq is going downhill fast, so without a merger, Cappellas would have beenj ousted soon.  I Consider what would happen if Compaq would to put a good CEO at the helm..R -Push Alpha like hell and make the IA64 look like a toy, making HP look very slow.* -Push true enterprise systems and hurt HP.D -fix up PC manufacturing/distribution to become more cost efficient.  I Now, consider HP is also struggling. If Compaq were ahead of HP in fixingsI problems, then it would make Carly,s job even harder because Compaq would % start to steal customers from HP etc.o  K So, I see this as a pre-emptive strike. Kill off Compaq before Compaq gives % itself a real CEO and moves back up.    L This has much more to do about eliminating potential competition while it is# easy to do because it is also sick.6   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:53:16 -0400: From: Everhart <ge@gce.com>f. Subject: Re: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail)' Message-ID: <3B954D4C.CFDC9080@gce.com>f  M Well, one can hope that HP might have someone who understands what enterprisecJ scale computing is, what security is good for and what VMS brings to thoseL parties. Not holding my breath, but it would be pleasant to see such remarksG getting publicized somewhere other than here among the (mostly) alreadyt aware...     David Mathog wrote:e >  > cjt & trefoil wrote: > B > > Which of the many OS's the two are involved with will survive? > I > None, other than Windows and Linux, which neither one owns or controls.r > R > After spending _way_ too much for Compaq and then many, many years trying to sew
 > togetherS > this Frankenstein's monster of a company, the whole thing will collapse under itsy
 > own weight,oO > finally crushed in the marketplace by more nimble, and more importantly, less  > self preoccupied, companies. > P > But that's only if the deal actually goes through.  My bet is that this mergerM > will never complete in  its current form.  It is anticompetitive on so many,M > levels it makes my head spin.  There's just no way that the US and EuropeancP > agencies aren't going to come down on this one really hard.  At the very least > they could requireP > a spinoff of one or the other PC company (go to many PC stores and all you seeP > are Compaq's and HPs), and possibly something similar in the enterprise arena,O > maybe even in the handheld area as well.  And that's the only way that VMS iso- > going to survive this - spun off somewhere.a > O > The stockholders are going to have to approve this as well, and if I was one,yO > I'd  vote NO on spending $25 Billion to buy Compaq and the world of hurt that P > will go along with that.  If it were $3 Billion it might fly (keep most of theR > the engineers, all of the service contracts, and fire/shut down everything else)S > and it might be a deal worth closing.  But  25 Billion dollars for a company thateS > has recently shed all of its valuable technology, and most of its best employees, O > and isn't even profitable, nor likely to be so in the near future?  It's justtR > plain nuts.  This deal is so bad it makes Quaker's purchase of Snapple look like > a stroke of genius!c > 
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog > mathog@caltech.edu > S > *********************************************************************************o > D > *                                                              RIHS > Compaq                                                                          *  > S > *********************************************************************************e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 23:28:14 GMT.L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"). Subject: Re: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail)8 Message-ID: <00A018E7.0F046C21@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  \ In article <3B954322.AD1FE4E6@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:+ >Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: " >> What does HP want with Compaq?  > L >25 billion bucks to eliminate your competitor and acquire all its customersE >and the intellectual properties that remain from Digital and Tandem.e  4 Well, the Digital/Tandem thing was part of my point.   -- Alany    O ===============================================================================a0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056-M  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-02100O ===============================================================================u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:25:42 -0400s) From: Andrew Robert <arobert@townisp.com> . Subject: Re: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail)* Message-ID: <3B9562F6.5020001@townisp.com>  E interestingly... i am now getting calls from venders about enhancing o8 their vms product line because the user share has grown.   weirdo   Neil Rieck wrote:s  : > "rsmith" <rsmith@arel.com.in-au-domain> wrote in message* > news:9n21k6$2a$1@thebe.syd.dav.net.au... > . >>Official announcement from the HP website... >>6 >>http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/04sep01a.htm >> >>Russell Smith. >>Arel Asia Pacific- >> >> > 1 > Wow. Here we go again. Digital -> Compaq -> HP!t > N > My employer had a brain damaged policy of only buying from HP or SUN. So letK > me get this straight; the way to open doors is for a little Company to be- > taken over by a larger one?: > I > And does this news item qualify for Capellas' statement that "you won'tyF > recognize Compaq in 180 days"? Will Mike Magee have to take down his; > Capellas Countdown Clock ( http://www.theinquirer.net/ ).  > L > If being Caesar is like holding a wolf by the ears, then Capellas may haveL > found the only way to let go of the wolf would be to pass it over to Carly > :-)- >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.# > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/b >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 01:33:43 GMTt- From: "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com>h Subject: Re: HP to Buy Compaq!+ Message-ID: <Xhfl7.82037$K6.33239051@news2>    Sheesh.h   Isn't time we just start# COMP.OS.VMS.SOMETHING.JUST.ACQUIREDn  * so that we can get these out of the way :)  L Just had to vent, I was asked this question a million times today "What does this mean for VMS?"g  J Hell, maybe AOL or CA should acquire Compaq and Intel to bring us to a all: new high (if we were standing on our heads)  Just think...   Hello, you have a login prompt.i     Dave    6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> wrote in message" news:3B950C8F.FAC97CCB@mmaz.com...K > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/04/technology/04DEAL.html?pagewanted=print  >r5 > Amazing, now what could this mean to the future?!?!t > 
 > Regards, >a > Barryh >e >i > -- >eA > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO- >-C > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028  >o >b   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2001 19:45:50 GMTp2 From: ap333@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Marvin Kaplansky)  Subject: Re: HP to buy Compaq!!!/ Message-ID: <9n3b1e$32r$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>   ' "John Vottero" (John@mvpsi.com) writes:.   -snip-   >  > It's now called HoPenVMS.d >   8 Actually, it has been called that for years in Quebec :)     Marvin Kaplansky   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:54:57 +0200f* From: Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> Subject: Re: I hate Compaq/ Message-ID: <3B953191.9050705@brussels.sgi.com>-   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:D > Most serious benchmarks require an announced shipping date in the  > not-too-distant future.   @ Quite. I was referring to benchmarks for machines where I expect< Compaq to bid EV7/Marvel at least for part of the bid (givenE timeframes), and you'd expect, if EV7s in Marvels really were runningdG (and in quantity) on anything close to a production system, that peopleaB would rely on the real hardware rather than projections from EV6x.  : That's certainly what I have (historically, of course -- I@ wouldn't dream of disclosing anything about the future ;) ) done6 when faced with a bid for systems in the not-too-close@ future that would use unannounced (at the time) MIPS processors. -- r? <these messages express my own views, not those of my employer>-) Alexis Cousein				Senior Systems Engineer0. SGI Belgium and Luxemburg		al@brussels.sgi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:02:14 +0200c* From: Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> Subject: Re: I hate Compaq/ Message-ID: <3B953346.2080207@brussels.sgi.com>o   Toon Moene wrote:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >  > = >>If 30% of nasty problems can be made to go away by reducingt; >>optimization, you indeed have compiler problems.  I doubtd< >>this is consistent across all compiler vendors.  (The fact: >>that I have not encountered this level on any particular9 >>compiler doesn't prove much, since the software I writeh >>is different from yours.)  >> > ; > Hmmm, that's not my experience as the maintainer of g77.    7 You're talking about the grand total -- Nick is talkingy7 about the *nasty* problems, that take a group of peoplee5 a few days to find -- not the problems that require ae3 colleague (or the presales person of your favouritea- vendor) to whack you on the head once they'veo read your code ;). -- i? <these messages express my own views, not those of my employer>D) Alexis Cousein				Senior Systems Engineer!. SGI Belgium and Luxemburg		al@brussels.sgi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 23:34:32 +0200n, From: Toon Moene <toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> Subject: Re: I hate Compaq4 Message-ID: <3B9548E8.7B0F1A5B@moene.indiv.nluug.nl>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  A > > Fortran 90 is fairly clean as long as you use SOLELY standardY@ > > Fortran.  As soon as you use things like Cray pointers, MPI,C > > OpenMP, POSIX threads, most forms of shared memory or interrupthC > > handling, you start getting into deep water.  And, for explicith; > > parallelism, you are always using at least one of them.   C > So does the Fortran 90 standard require that implementations haveo1 > a mode that will reject non-standard features ?@  F The operative word is "diagnose", which is not necessarily the same as	 "reject".l   -- MG Toon Moene - mailto:toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl - phoneto: +31 346 214290-6 Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG  Maartensdijk, The NetherlandsG Maintainer, GNU Fortran 77: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/g77_news.htmlaE Join GNU Fortran 95: http://g95.sourceforge.net/ (under construction)t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 23:36:23 -0600e* From: yyyc186@illegaltospam.mindspring.com Subject: Re: I hate Compaq; Message-ID: <3b95ba11$2$lllp186$mr2ice@nntp.mindspring.com>a  C In <y4k7zkd75k.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, on  08/31/2001 p    at 09:23 AM, Jan Vorbrueggen 7 <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> said:t  F Just remember....IBM delivered the 1.4Gig Copper Stamped Alpha 2 years ago...it is just shipping now.  J And despite all of that they went with Intel...a company that is dead last, in the world of chip fabrication technology.   Roland  + >nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) writes:   @ >> But I agree that it is a less likely scenario than a completeC >> meltdown of the Alpha line (i.e. an inability to get the EV7 out:: >> and working in a realistic timescale, with no fallback)  G >I've heard from multiple sources that there are working EV7 processorslB >that have booted all of Compaq's OSes some time ago, so the aboveH >inability would have to apply to systems, not the processor. Of course,9 >given WIldfire's history, that isn't totally impossible.o   >	JanR --  ; -----------------------------------------------------------  yyyc186@mindspring.com; -----------------------------------------------------------b   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:28:52 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)oL Subject: Re: Intel has released Hyper-threading for it's next gen processors7 Message-ID: <9112BCA4Cwarrenspencer1977@207.126.101.97>l  F billtodd@foo.mv.com (Bill Todd) wrote in <9moka3$9r2$1@pyrite.mv.net>:   >o6 >"Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message$ >news:3B8F50CF.E5EE41A0@127.0.0.1... >> mist dragon wrote:n >> > >> > Look at >> >B >> > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2809007,00.html >> >H >> > While not exactly the same as SMT planned for future gens of Alpha,! >> > still quite close isn't it ?@ >>! >> Now thats a surprise isn't it.3 >DG >No - at least not if the technology is the 'Jackson' that's been being_ >talked about for a while now. >oJ >It seems to be only 2-way rather than 4-way (as EV8 was scheduled to be),H >and there was no mention of the ability to use more functional units toD >widen single-thread issue (as EV8 would have).  But it does tend toE >underscore the thesis that SMT fits easily into an OOO architecture.s >- >- bill4 >. >>K >> It is a pity that Paul DeMone is not going to be writing more because as C >> technical details emerge I'd be interested to read his analysis.o >> >> --r+ >> Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Scienceso >> nclews at csc dot com    G I'd venture a guess that this capability has been laying dormant until 1H Intel procured the intellectual property rights from Compaq.  I'd bet a H nickel (maybe more) this feature was part of the legal squabble between ! Intel and Compaq a few years ago.h   ws   -- r   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)a The Associated Press  L ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements - neither do I  **   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:38:08 +0930A From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux>  Subject: Re: IT's Hannibals . Message-ID: <52el7.75$iH4.5043@ozemail.com.au>  B "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in2 message news:00A018D0.5E9578C2@SendSpamHere.ORG...H > In article <20010904172620.83162.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio* Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes: > >Wello > >  > >q > >Compaq ate Tandem > >Compaq ate DECo > >HP ate Compaq > >h > >Who will be the next ?t > >l > >IBM will eat Sune > >Dell will eat Gateway > >Microsoft will eat Oracle > >b > >:-))) > 2 > ... and we'll all wind up eating what flies eat. >r  @ This reminds me of the "dinosaurs mating" of the mainframe days. History repeats itself.M   Cheers   Geoff in Oza   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:13:12 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>  Subject: Re: IT's Hannibalsd( Message-ID: <9n3u5f$c0i$1@pyrite.mv.net>  ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in messagef: news:20010904172620.83162.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com... Well     Compaq ate Tandemi Compaq ate DEC
 HP ate Compaq-   Who will be the next ?   I'd prefer an Oreo.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:11:16 -0500a1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>c Subject: Re: IT's Hannibals ' Message-ID: <3B9597D4.2F47289F@fsi.net>o   Bill Todd wrote: > = > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in messaget< > news:20010904172620.83162.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com... > Well >  > Compaq ate Tandeme > Compaq ate DEC > HP ate Compaqr >  > Who will be the next ? >  > I'd prefer an Oreo.t   Double Stuff for me, please...   -- t David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/c   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:39:41 +0930A From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux>o* Subject: Line count for txt file from DCL?0 Message-ID: <Ftil7.227$iH4.14167@ozemail.com.au>  A I have a DCL com procedure that does the following (amongst othert things) E A particular event occurs.  Date/Time/Address/Port etc information isnH appended as a single line report on the occurrence of a particular event to an event log file.,B The event info is then also sent to a newly created alert file and0 emailed to me.  This alert file is then deleted.  F DIR/FULL on the event log file gives, following the revision date/time' group, the number of lines in the file. G Since this equates to the number of events that have occurred, I'd like H to be able to insert that number into the alert file so I have a running1 total on the number of events that have occurred.C  @ Is there some way to extract this line count from DCL other than	 DIR/FULL?i   Thanks in Advance   
 Geoff Roberts  Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie,e South AustraliaC6 geoffrob at stmarks dot pp dot catholic dot edu dot au ICQ: 1970476   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:50:41 -0700a3 From: David Spencer <spencer@spaamfree.recneps.com>o. Subject: Re: Line count for txt file from DCL?> Message-ID: <040920012250416712%spencer@spaamfree.recneps.com>  > In article <Ftil7.227$iH4.14167@ozemail.com.au>, Geoff Roberts2 <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux> wrote:  C > I have a DCL com procedure that does the following (amongst othera	 > things) G > A particular event occurs.  Date/Time/Address/Port etc information issJ > appended as a single line report on the occurrence of a particular event > to an event log file.dD > The event info is then also sent to a newly created alert file and2 > emailed to me.  This alert file is then deleted. > H > DIR/FULL on the event log file gives, following the revision date/time) > group, the number of lines in the file. I > Since this equates to the number of events that have occurred, I'd likesJ > to be able to insert that number into the alert file so I have a running3 > total on the number of events that have occurred.s > B > Is there some way to extract this line count from DCL other than > DIR/FULL?   > You could do a SEARCH/STAT for something that won't exist. The? stats will indicate the number of lines searched. You could usee8 this information to derive the line-count that you seek.   -- Dave Spencert   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:07:00 -0500e. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> Subject: Re: Mark Twain Promo'- Message-ID: <3B953464.285C655@pressenter.com>A  5 In some ways the promo was perfectly appropriate.... e  E Remember Tom Sawyer's white washing incident...? Bill Gates plays TompG Sawyer, and Dell, Compaq, Gateway, et al. are all the neighborhood kids C whitewashing the fence... OR in today's computer world, doing Billyt' Boy's job for him, making him money....o    - But hey, Capellas thinks it "cost effective."        -- rG My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of myi	 employer.o    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:53:37 -0500i. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>( Subject: Re: My VMS Wish List (features). Message-ID: <3B953141.5685845E@pressenter.com>  F My VMS/DCL wish is the addition of the "/GRAND" qualifier to purge andF delete. Often times I'd like to purge out an group of files, and whileH I'm not interested in each and every file I delete, I'd like to know theE grand total of number of files and the blocks removed. Currently, the ? only way to get that is to do a purge or delete with the "/LOG"*
 qualifier.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:03:28 GMT % From: Mike Mohr <Mike.Mohr@aut.ac.nz> < Subject: Re: New HP To Layoff 20,000 CPQ Per The-Advisor.com) Message-ID: <3B954191.8FC90492@aut.ac.nz>*  
 dragon wrote:*  	 > =rant==*M > Compaq had relocated many DECies to Houston.  Are they supposed to relocateM > to Palo Alto now?L< > In the last round of layoffs, they are mostly from ex-DEC,H > vms/alpha-related.  How much DECies stuff will be moved to the new HP?> > 20k employees mentioned would really wipe out the NE DECies. >t  M Palo Alto?  When did HP move back to CA?  Last time I checked (12 years ago),m the HQ was in Reston, VA.a  @ ================================================================@ Mike Mohr, Systems Administrator  === Email: Mike.Mohr@aut.ac.nz@ Information Technology Group      === Phone: 64 9 917-9999 x8133: Auckland University of Technology === Fax:   64 9 917-9901% PO Box 92006, Auckland, New Zealand ==" http://home.aut.ac.nz/staff/mmohr/@ ================================================================C Chaos reigns within.  Repent, reflect, reboot.  Order shall return.y   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:17:00 GMT0L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")< Subject: Re: New HP To Layoff 20,000 CPQ Per The-Advisor.com8 Message-ID: <00A018D4.B9E93A53@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  K In article <3B94C040.7436A4BC@vt82.nuts>, dragon <dragon@vt82.nuts> writes:0 >(1)4 >  http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7046410.htmlK >The combined entity will be based in Palo Alto, Calif., HP's hometown, and K >retain a "significant presense" in Houston, where Compaq is headquartered.a >o >(2)& >By Peter Henderson, Reuters, 9/4/2001M >Under the terms of the merger, which would rank as one of the largest in the>L >technology field, Compaq shareholders would receive 0.6325 shares of HP forH >each share owned. That values Houston-based Compaq at $14.68 a share, aD >nearly 19 percent premium to its closing price of $12.35 on Friday. >m >=rant==L >Compaq had relocated many DECies to Houston.  Are they supposed to relocate >to Palo Alto now?; >In the last round of layoffs, they are mostly from ex-DEC,oG >vms/alpha-related.  How much DECies stuff will be moved to the new HP?W= >20k employees mentioned would really wipe out the NE DECies.k  I I don't know what HP would plan to do with the New England DECcies.  But oK Digital (and thus Compaq) already had a significant presence in the Silicon J Valley, including Palo Alto (where the Western Research Labs are located);M Santa Clara, and Cupertino.  It would be pretty silly to disrupt Storageworksb by moving it from Colorado.-   -- Alan-    O ===============================================================================e0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056PM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:57:33 -0400 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>< Subject: Re: New HP To Layoff 20,000 CPQ Per The-Advisor.com* Message-ID: <3B956A6C.FD3E8BED@oracle.com>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: > M > In article <3B94C040.7436A4BC@vt82.nuts>, dragon <dragon@vt82.nuts> writes:w > >(1)6 > >  http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7046410.htmlM > >The combined entity will be based in Palo Alto, Calif., HP's hometown, and M > >retain a "significant presense" in Houston, where Compaq is headquartered.h > >4 > >(2)( > >By Peter Henderson, Reuters, 9/4/2001O > >Under the terms of the merger, which would rank as one of the largest in theaN > >technology field, Compaq shareholders would receive 0.6325 shares of HP forJ > >each share owned. That values Houston-based Compaq at $14.68 a share, aF > >nearly 19 percent premium to its closing price of $12.35 on Friday. > >a
 > >=rant==N > >Compaq had relocated many DECies to Houston.  Are they supposed to relocate > >to Palo Alto now?= > >In the last round of layoffs, they are mostly from ex-DEC,uI > >vms/alpha-related.  How much DECies stuff will be moved to the new HP? ? > >20k employees mentioned would really wipe out the NE DECies.n > J > I don't know what HP would plan to do with the New England DECcies.  ButM > Digital (and thus Compaq) already had a significant presence in the Silicon L > Valley, including Palo Alto (where the Western Research Labs are located);O > Santa Clara, and Cupertino.  It would be pretty silly to disrupt Storageworks  > by moving it from Colorado.   0 	And HP has (or, perhaps had) a reasonable sized: facility in Colorado Springs (3/4 of the way out on Garden1 of the Gods road).  I imagine that they still do.u   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:05:46 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: New OpenVMS Sitee@ Message-ID: <20010904190546.17288.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>   Sounds strange but ...     http://www.openvms.hp.coma     Will be up soon....-   Regards-   FC   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DuL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D: F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - BrazilM fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dt  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?L Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger=   http://im.yahoo.comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:15:10 -0500>1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Siten' Message-ID: <3B9598BE.1D2EE62C@fsi.net>g   Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > Sounds strange but ... >  > http://www.openvms.hp.come >  > Will be up soon....  > 	 > Regardsa >  > FC >  > =====  > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?M > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger  > http://im.yahoo.comn  : As of 04-Sep-2001 22:06 US CDT, the name does not resolve.   -- o David J. Dachtera3 dba DJE Systemsm http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/O   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:21:55 GMTs: From: "Rene Ouellette" <ouellette@yourfuture.nospam.ab.ca> Subject: Newbie needs help; Message-ID: <7ucl7.20279$JH4.3726148@news1.telusplanet.net>   G I am trying to setup lpr printing on a VMS 6.1 machine.  The machine is F running ucx.  I had it working, but now for some reason it cannot do a resolve on the local host name.@J Try ping anything and the result is error in getting host name, record not% found.  I can ping ip addresses fine.:  L Help in the topic would be great.  I am totally new to VMS, so make it idiot proof if you can.t   thanks, Rene   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:26:33 -0500U1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>s Subject: Re: Newbie needs help' Message-ID: <3B959B69.E146AE17@fsi.net>:   Rene Ouellette wrote:8 > I > I am trying to setup lpr printing on a VMS 6.1 machine.  The machine is1H > running ucx.  I had it working, but now for some reason it cannot do a! > resolve on the local host name.oL > Try ping anything and the result is error in getting host name, record not' > found.  I can ping ip addresses fine.m   Sounds like a DNS problem.   N > Help in the topic would be great.  I am totally new to VMS, so make it idiot > proof if you can.h  , Is the VMS box your domain name server also?  G Sorry - too many variables here. No easy answer. Can other machines geta5 name resolution, or is just this one having problems?k   -- n David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:36:57 -0600 (MDT)" From: John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com># Subject: News from Colorado SpringseF Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0109041328040.2879-100000@athena.csdco.com>  G Someone from DEC in Colorado Springs who recently left checked with her- friends this morning.-  J The scuttlebutt is that the HP purchase is a good thing - they don't like  Q (a horrible employer).  
 John Nebel   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 15:21:35 -04005- From: "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org>S( Subject: OT: SpamCop detained your email+ Message-ID: <sb94f18a.017@AAASMTA.aaas.org>   F This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to F consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to ( properly handle MIME multipart messages.   --=_356F96DA.513047F34* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable. Content-Disposition: inline2   Uhh...?t   --=_356F96DA.513047F3e Content-Type: message/rfc822   Received: from science.aaas.orgi5 	by AAASMTA.aaas.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 15:15:04 -0400 O Received: from shelob.julianhaight.com (shelob.julianhaight.com [64.90.162.82]) > 	by science.aaas.org (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f84JXuh045588 	for <jeisensc@aaas.org>; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:33:56 -0400@ Received: from spamcop.net (sam.julianhaight.com [64.90.162.91])E 	by shelob.julianhaight.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f84JGvc06433 > 	for <jeisensc@aaas.org>; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:16:57 -0400 (EDT)# 	(envelope-from nobody@spamcop.net)I* Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:16:57 -0400 (EDT)? Message-Id: <200109041916.f84JGvc06433@shelob.julianhaight.com>i/ From: SpamCop email filter <nobody@spamcop.net>R To: jeisensc@aaas.orgo$ Subject: SpamCop detained your email Precedence: list  6 You have attempted to send a message with the subject:/ "Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeed".r  F The recipient (or one of the recipients) of this message subscribes toH SpamCop, a system that filters unwanted email, to cut down on electronicJ "junk mail."  We apologize for the inconvenience, but SpamCop needs to seeI if you are sending from a valid address before it can allow your message sJ to go through.  This only happens the first time you try to send an email,$ so you won't see this message again.  1 Please click here to finish sending your message:jF http://spamcop.net/release?i=z4741b25f480832c258446ba062aa76fez9688326
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If you are reading this text, you may want to H > consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to * > properly handle MIME multipart messages.  9 This is a text newsgroup.  You should avoid posting MIME.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:11:21 -0400x3 From: Kurt Krieger <kkrieger_xspam@erols_xspam.com>e. Subject: Restoring from retired OpenVMS backup/ Message-ID: <3B955189.B53D63AB@erols-xspam.com>i   Hi,nP I was the sysadmin for an OpenVMS 6.1 system that was retired in 1999. We made aP full backup of all disks before "discarding" the server. My company now needs toN resurrect some files from the backup tape, but, of course, we no longer own an OpenVMS box.  K I've searched Google and other sites for a company that can restore from an = OpenVMS backup tape (4mm, 1GB), but I haven't found anything.   P Can anyone provide advice on how I can restore these files? I need all the filesL in a specific folder path (disk$user4:[eps]) copied to CD-ROM, or saved to aI website, etc. Are there companies who can do this? Can I "rent" a runningmP machine for an hour? Is the format of a standard backup tape compatible with any	 other OS?f  2 (If replying directly, please remove the "-xspam")   Thanks a lot, Kurt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:10:33 -0400:3 From: Kurt Krieger <kkrieger_xspam@erols_xspam.com>u. Subject: Restoring from retired OpenVMS backup/ Message-ID: <3B955158.EBFB9DCE@erols_xspam.com>:   Hi,oP I was the sysadmin for an OpenVMS 6.1 system that was retired in 1999. We made aP full backup of all disks before "discarding" the server. My company now needs toN resurrect some files from the backup tape, but, of course, we no longer own an OpenVMS box.  K I've searched Google and other sites for a company that can restore from anr= OpenVMS backup tape (4mm, 1GB), but I haven't found anything.t  P Can anyone provide advice on how I can restore these files? I need all the filesL in a specific folder path (disk$user4:[eps]) copied to CD-ROM, or saved to aI website, etc. Are there companies who can do this? Can I "rent" a runninglP machine for an hour? Is the format of a standard backup tape compatible with any	 other OS?s  2 (If replying directly, please remove the "_xspam")   Thanks a lot, Kurt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:11:53 -0400e3 From: Kurt Krieger <kkrieger_xspam@erols_xspam.com> . Subject: Restoring from retired OpenVMS backup) Message-ID: <3B9551A9.F88822E7@erols.com>T   Hi,sP I was the sysadmin for an OpenVMS 6.1 system that was retired in 1999. We made aP full backup of all disks before "discarding" the server. My company now needs toN resurrect some files from the backup tape, but, of course, we no longer own an OpenVMS box.  K I've searched Google and other sites for a company that can restore from ang= OpenVMS backup tape (4mm, 1GB), but I haven't found anything.o  P Can anyone provide advice on how I can restore these files? I need all the filesL in a specific folder path (disk$user4:[eps]) copied to CD-ROM, or saved to aI website, etc. Are there companies who can do this? Can I "rent" a runningdP machine for an hour? Is the format of a standard backup tape compatible with any	 other OS?s  2 (If replying directly, please remove the "-xspam")   Thanks a lot, Kurt   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2001 18:48:52 -0500u- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)a2 Subject: Re: Restoring from retired OpenVMS backup3 Message-ID: <ydOqMhFX8uiL@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  e In article <3B955158.EBFB9DCE@erols_xspam.com>, Kurt Krieger <kkrieger_xspam@erols_xspam.com> writes:     (in fact he wrote it 3 times :-)  R > I was the sysadmin for an OpenVMS 6.1 system that was retired in 1999. We made aR > full backup of all disks before "discarding" the server. My company now needs toP > resurrect some files from the backup tape, but, of course, we no longer own an > OpenVMS box. > M > I've searched Google and other sites for a company that can restore from anL? > OpenVMS backup tape (4mm, 1GB), but I haven't found anything.0  A This is such a straightforward exercise that no company can do itj@ as a major part (worth advertising) of their business.  The only? folks that advertise are those that specialize in reading media*= that are so degraded they cannot be read in a normal fashion.o  R > Can anyone provide advice on how I can restore these files? I need all the filesN > in a specific folder path (disk$user4:[eps]) copied to CD-ROM, or saved to aK > website, etc. Are there companies who can do this? Can I "rent" a running R > machine for an hour? Is the format of a standard backup tape compatible with any > other OS?e   Yes, Yes.F Probably not, but they will let you watch while you pay them to do it. No.S  @ Your best bet to do the task you specified is to contact someoneB in your local area who has the right equipment.  But we don't have8 any hints yet regarding the identity of your local area.  E I think there is a possibility, however, that you have not thoroughly=H planned this out.  If someone writes you a VMS CDROM, what are you goingH to read it on.  If you manage to find an ISO formatter that runs on VMS,G you may find that information is dropped to fit it into the ISO format..D If not, then you have the same issue about reading VMS format at theH file level rather than the volume level.  Do you know these are all text files ?.  H Probably you would be best to get a VMS CDROM made of the tape, and thenD you can revisit the data conversion issue as many times as it takes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:09:20 -0400 - From: Kurt Krieger <kkrieger-xspam@erols.com>"2 Subject: Re: Restoring from retired OpenVMS backup) Message-ID: <3B956D30.AB531C88@erols.com>    Larry,= Thanks for the response - I'm writing from Northern Virginia.   i The CD-ROM I'm referring to should, of course, not be a VMS CD-ROM, as you've pointed out. The end resultaf should be a standard CD-ROM that's readable from Windows, etc. If I had an OpenVMS server, I'd restored the folder path from tape to disk, ftp the folder from server to PC, and burn a CD-ROM from the PC -B perhaps not the most straightforward method, but you get the idea.  F BTW, sorry for the original triple post - my mail system went haywire.   Kurt   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  g > In article <3B955158.EBFB9DCE@erols_xspam.com>, Kurt Krieger <kkrieger_xspam@erols_xspam.com> writes:d >C" > (in fact he wrote it 3 times :-) > T > > I was the sysadmin for an OpenVMS 6.1 system that was retired in 1999. We made aT > > full backup of all disks before "discarding" the server. My company now needs toR > > resurrect some files from the backup tape, but, of course, we no longer own an > > OpenVMS box. > >=O > > I've searched Google and other sites for a company that can restore from an@A > > OpenVMS backup tape (4mm, 1GB), but I haven't found anything.L >oC > This is such a straightforward exercise that no company can do it9B > as a major part (worth advertising) of their business.  The onlyA > folks that advertise are those that specialize in reading media-? > that are so degraded they cannot be read in a normal fashion.r > T > > Can anyone provide advice on how I can restore these files? I need all the filesP > > in a specific folder path (disk$user4:[eps]) copied to CD-ROM, or saved to aM > > website, etc. Are there companies who can do this? Can I "rent" a runningrT > > machine for an hour? Is the format of a standard backup tape compatible with any
 > > other OS?T >c > Yes, > Yes.H > Probably not, but they will let you watch while you pay them to do it. > No.p >eB > Your best bet to do the task you specified is to contact someoneD > in your local area who has the right equipment.  But we don't have: > any hints yet regarding the identity of your local area. > G > I think there is a possibility, however, that you have not thoroughly J > planned this out.  If someone writes you a VMS CDROM, what are you goingJ > to read it on.  If you manage to find an ISO formatter that runs on VMS,I > you may find that information is dropped to fit it into the ISO format. F > If not, then you have the same issue about reading VMS format at theJ > file level rather than the volume level.  Do you know these are all text	 > files ?h >eJ > Probably you would be best to get a VMS CDROM made of the tape, and thenF > you can revisit the data conversion issue as many times as it takes.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2001 20:18 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 2 Subject: Re: Restoring from retired OpenVMS backup, Message-ID: <4SEP200120180760@gerg.tamu.edu>  , Krieger <kkrieger-xspam@erols.com> writes... }Larry,f> }Thanks for the response - I'm writing from Northern Virginia. } j }The CD-ROM I'm referring to should, of course, not be a VMS CD-ROM, as you've pointed out. The end resultg }should be a standard CD-ROM that's readable from Windows, etc. If I had an OpenVMS server, I'd restorefe }the folder path from tape to disk, ftp the folder from server to PC, and burn a CD-ROM from the PC -mC }perhaps not the most straightforward method, but you get the idea.o } G }BTW, sorry for the original triple post - my mail system went haywire.= }  }Kurt=  F I think Larry is mistaken on one point. There is at least one piece ofI freeware that runs on Unix systems that can read VMS Backup tapes, calledmG vmsbackup. You do, of course, have to consider what information will be=6 lost or altered due to the various file format issues.    DESCRIPTION  N  vmsbackup reads a VMS generated backup save_set, converting the files to Unix  format and writing the files.I  to disk. The default operation of the program is to go through an entire5$  save_set, extracting every file and  writing it to disk.   One place you can get it:S   ftp://ftp.lp.se/free-vms/D   --- Carl   }Larry Kilgallen wrote:: } h }> In article <3B955158.EBFB9DCE@erols_xspam.com>, Kurt Krieger <kkrieger_xspam@erols_xspam.com> writes: }># }> (in fact he wrote it 3 times :-)= }>U }> > I was the sysadmin for an OpenVMS 6.1 system that was retired in 1999. We made a U }> > full backup of all disks before "discarding" the server. My company now needs to_S }> > resurrect some files from the backup tape, but, of course, we no longer own an  }> > OpenVMS box.i }> >P }> > I've searched Google and other sites for a company that can restore from anB }> > OpenVMS backup tape (4mm, 1GB), but I haven't found anything. }>D }> This is such a straightforward exercise that no company can do itC }> as a major part (worth advertising) of their business.  The onlyuB }> folks that advertise are those that specialize in reading media@ }> that are so degraded they cannot be read in a normal fashion. }>U }> > Can anyone provide advice on how I can restore these files? I need all the files6Q }> > in a specific folder path (disk$user4:[eps]) copied to CD-ROM, or saved to aoN }> > website, etc. Are there companies who can do this? Can I "rent" a runningU }> > machine for an hour? Is the format of a standard backup tape compatible with any  }> > other OS? }> }> Yes,g }> Yes.aI }> Probably not, but they will let you watch while you pay them to do it.  }> No. }>C }> Your best bet to do the task you specified is to contact someone E }> in your local area who has the right equipment.  But we don't have ; }> any hints yet regarding the identity of your local area.t }>H }> I think there is a possibility, however, that you have not thoroughlyK }> planned this out.  If someone writes you a VMS CDROM, what are you goingnK }> to read it on.  If you manage to find an ISO formatter that runs on VMS,uJ }> you may find that information is dropped to fit it into the ISO format.G }> If not, then you have the same issue about reading VMS format at theeK }> file level rather than the volume level.  Do you know these are all texts
 }> files ? }>K }> Probably you would be best to get a VMS CDROM made of the tape, and then.G }> you can revisit the data conversion issue as many times as it takes.b   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 01:40:19 -0400/' From: Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org>g2 Subject: Re: Restoring from retired OpenVMS backup, Message-ID: <3B95BAC3.CA3913E2@ui.urban.org>   Kurt Krieger wrote:m% > I'm writing from Northern Virginia.:  A Ah, you're in ESILUG territory. ESILUG is an Encompass Local User0  Group in the Washington DC area.  B You might join our ESILUG-TALK mailing list, a discussion list forE ESILUG members, where you can post a query to see if anyone local cans help you read your 4mm tape.  @ The ESILUG URL is in my signature block below. There's a link to9 ESILUG-TALK from there, which will let you join the list.J  F And since you're in the neighborhood, you might also join ESILUG-LIST,- our announcements list for upcoming meetings.o   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)o' Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/)i. ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:36:02 GMT-& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> Subject: RIP Bill Gateso9 Message-ID: <6Pbl7.8297$Op6.1683398@typhoon1.gnilink.net>   E For those of you who are dishearten by today's HP/Compaq get togetheriI consider this.  Today is likely the day that Bill Gate's dream of WindowseK taking over the datacenter offically died.  Digital, Compaq, and HP had all L bet their future in the mid-1990's on Windows 2000 rapidly being accepted inI the datacenter.  You will note the heavy emphasis on Unix today by Compaq.J and HP.  Of the big four (DigitalTandemCompaqApolloHP, IBM, Sun, and Dell)I only Dell is still seriously pursuing a Windows datacenter strategy.  The1L footnote on today should be that Bill Gate's dream died or at least will not# be realized for a long long time...0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 23:41:57 +0200r- From: Udo Grabowski <grabow@darkstar.inka.de>  Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatesr/ Message-ID: <3B954AA5.2080201@darkstar.inka.de>   ; 4.Sep. 2003: Microsoft buys the ruins of HP for 6 billion !n -- pK Dr. Udo Grabowski                           email: udo.grabowski@imk.fzk.decK Institut f. Meteorologie und Klimaforschung II, Forschungszentrum KarslruherK Postfach 3640, D-76021 Karlsruhe, Germany           Tel: (+49) 7247 82-6026sK http://www.fzk.de/imk/imk2/ame/grabowski/           Fax:         "    -6141s   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:09:42 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>  Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gates ( Message-ID: <9n3jdd$qe4$1@pyrite.mv.net>  1 "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote in message 3 news:6Pbl7.8297$Op6.1683398@typhoon1.gnilink.net...sG > For those of you who are dishearten by today's HP/Compaq get togethermK > consider this.  Today is likely the day that Bill Gate's dream of WindowsdI > taking over the datacenter offically died.  Digital, Compaq, and HP had6 all@K > bet their future in the mid-1990's on Windows 2000 rapidly being acceptede inK > the datacenter.  You will note the heavy emphasis on Unix today by CompaqiL > and HP.  Of the big four (DigitalTandemCompaqApolloHP, IBM, Sun, and Dell)K > only Dell is still seriously pursuing a Windows datacenter strategy.  The J > footnote on today should be that Bill Gate's dream died or at least will noti% > be realized for a long long time...e  L Or, you could look at today as the day one less high-end Unix (Tru64) lookedJ likely to compete with Windows.  Plus the day VMS took another step towardK oblivion (and thus away from competition with Windows).  Plus the day theretE was one less major software vendor around who might choose to supportoE something other than Windows on the desktop.  Plus the day one of themK companies giving at least lip service to supporting Linux was gobbled up by.J a company that's apparently considerably less interested in that platform.  C If Gates thought anything today was worthy of reaction at all, he'sl celebrating.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:22:32 GMTs& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatess7 Message-ID: <Iucl7.125$Vx1.340130@typhoon2.gnilink.net>s  2 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message" news:9n3jdd$qe4$1@pyrite.mv.net...G > Or, you could look at today as the day one less high-end Unix (Tru64)s lookedL > likely to compete with Windows.  Plus the day VMS took another step towardG > oblivion (and thus away from competition with Windows).  Plus the dayi therekG > was one less major software vendor around who might choose to supportaG > something other than Windows on the desktop.  Plus the day one of the J > companies giving at least lip service to supporting Linux was gobbled up byL > a company that's apparently considerably less interested in that platform. >cE > If Gates thought anything today was worthy of reaction at all, he's  > celebrating.  G I don't think so - Using your "logic" there is one less company to push L Windows datacenter servers and happens to be the company that sells the most" IA32 servers in the marketplace...   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:53:35 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>e Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatese( Message-ID: <9n3lvn$sn6$1@pyrite.mv.net>  1 "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote in messagec1 news:Iucl7.125$Vx1.340130@typhoon2.gnilink.net...l >g4 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message$ > news:9n3jdd$qe4$1@pyrite.mv.net...I > > Or, you could look at today as the day one less high-end Unix (Tru64)x > lookedG > > likely to compete with Windows.  Plus the day VMS took another step  towardI > > oblivion (and thus away from competition with Windows).  Plus the day  > thereaI > > was one less major software vendor around who might choose to supportnI > > something other than Windows on the desktop.  Plus the day one of thepL > > companies giving at least lip service to supporting Linux was gobbled up > byD > > a company that's apparently considerably less interested in that	 platform.G > >uG > > If Gates thought anything today was worthy of reaction at all, he'ss > > celebrating. >eI > I don't think so - Using your "logic" there is one less company to push-I > Windows datacenter servers and happens to be the company that sells theI most$ > IA32 servers in the marketplace...  K Don't be silly:  the fewer competitors there are, the safer MS is - as longl3 as they all sell Windows.  And they all still will.a   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:57:27 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>o Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gateso( Message-ID: <9n3m72$snt$1@pyrite.mv.net>  2 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message" news:9n3lvn$sn6$1@pyrite.mv.net...   ...   H > Don't be silly:  the fewer competitors there are, the safer MS is - as long5 > as they all sell Windows.  And they all still will.h  H Er - except for Sun, of course.  But that situation didn't change today.   - bill   >d > - bill >f >a >m   ------------------------------    Date: 04 Sep 2001 16:02:19 -0700, From: David Masterson <dmaster@synopsys.com> Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatest( Message-ID: <uzo8ad0g4.fsf@synopsys.com>  6 >>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Killeen <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes:  4 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message$ > news:9n3jdd$qe4$1@pyrite.mv.net...  @ >> Or, you could look at today as the day one less high-end UnixC >> (Tru64) looked likely to compete with Windows.  Plus the day VMSmD >> took another step toward oblivion (and thus away from competitionA >> with Windows).  Plus the day there was one less major softwarelA >> vendor around who might choose to support something other thanDD >> Windows on the desktop.  Plus the day one of the companies giving? >> at least lip service to supporting Linux was gobbled up by acA >> company that's apparently considerably less interested in thata >> platform.  F >> If Gates thought anything today was worthy of reaction at all, he's >> celebrating.s  D > I don't think so - Using your "logic" there is one less company toD > push Windows datacenter servers and happens to be the company that3 > sells the most IA32 servers in the marketplace...m  B Of course, this is just in time for them to switch to pushing IA64% Windows servers in the marketplace...u   -- r3 David Masterson                dmaster@synopsys.coma- Sr. R&D Engineer               Synopsys, Inc.s, Software Engineering           Sunnyvale, CA   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:04:57 GMTd4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatesl< Message-ID: <J_dl7.1228$CR2.2050568@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  1 "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote in message,1 news:Iucl7.125$Vx1.340130@typhoon2.gnilink.net...e > 4 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message$ > news:9n3jdd$qe4$1@pyrite.mv.net...I > > Or, you could look at today as the day one less high-end Unix (Tru64)h > lookedG > > likely to compete with Windows.  Plus the day VMS took another stepo towardI > > oblivion (and thus away from competition with Windows).  Plus the daye > theretI > > was one less major software vendor around who might choose to supportiI > > something other than Windows on the desktop.  Plus the day one of thenL > > companies giving at least lip service to supporting Linux was gobbled up > byD > > a company that's apparently considerably less interested in that	 platform.i > >iG > > If Gates thought anything today was worthy of reaction at all, he'sV > > celebrating.  J OH, if he's celebrating, he's doing so with his pal McNealy. Note that IPFH now (or soon) will have four enterprise OSEs. HPUX, Tru64, and VMS. ThisE certainly adds to the Windoze competition. vAIX/Monterery? Who knows?a   > I > I don't think so - Using your "logic" there is one less company to push I > Windows datacenter servers and happens to be the company that sells the  most$ > IA32 servers in the marketplace...  5 And pretty soon now IA-64. As in Fire, Ice, and Wind.  Interesting times, for sure!   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:11:59 GMTD4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatesa< Message-ID: <j5el7.1230$CR2.2053148@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  9 "David Masterson" <dmaster@synopsys.com> wrote in messager" news:uzo8ad0g4.fsf@synopsys.com...8 > >>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Killeen <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes: >g6 > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message& > > news:9n3jdd$qe4$1@pyrite.mv.net... >aB > >> Or, you could look at today as the day one less high-end Unix3 > >> (Tru64) looked likely to compete with Windows.r  H More likely that Tru64 will live on. Clustering, process mirroring, etc.& Could be an interesting mix with HPUX.     Plus the day VMSF > >> took another step toward oblivion (and thus away from competition > >> with Windows).u  + I'd czech with the COE folks about that....c  . Plus the day there was one less major softwareC > >> vendor around who might choose to support something other thantF > >> Windows on the desktop.  Plus the day one of the companies givingA > >> at least lip service to supporting Linux was gobbled up by apC > >> company that's apparently considerably less interested in thats > >> platform.  " Ask Shane Robinson about Linux.... >aH > >> If Gates thought anything today was worthy of reaction at all, he's > >> celebrating.  > F > > I don't think so - Using your "logic" there is one less company toF > > push Windows datacenter servers and happens to be the company that5 > > sells the most IA32 servers in the marketplace...e >hD > Of course, this is just in time for them to switch to pushing IA64' > Windows servers in the marketplace...i    " Why Windoze? Tru64 is a better OS! >  > --5 > David Masterson                dmaster@synopsys.coma/ > Sr. R&D Engineer               Synopsys, Inc.d. > Software Engineering           Sunnyvale, CA   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:18:34 GMTn& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gates 9 Message-ID: <ubel7.8505$Op6.1711880@typhoon1.gnilink.net>l  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagee6 news:J_dl7.1228$CR2.2050568@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...I > > > If Gates thought anything today was worthy of reaction at all, he'st > > > celebrating. >oL > OH, if he's celebrating, he's doing so with his pal McNealy. Note that IPFJ > now (or soon) will have four enterprise OSEs. HPUX, Tru64, and VMS. ThisG > certainly adds to the Windoze competition. vAIX/Monterery? Who knows?   I 5 - add Linux and technically 6 if you don't exclude special hardware and 
 add NSK...   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:57:56 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>: Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatesp( Message-ID: <9n3t8t$b6e$1@pyrite.mv.net>  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messageL6 news:j5el7.1230$CR2.2053148@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... >n; > "David Masterson" <dmaster@synopsys.com> wrote in messagee$ > news:uzo8ad0g4.fsf@synopsys.com...: > > >>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Killeen <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes: > >b8 > > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message( > > > news:9n3jdd$qe4$1@pyrite.mv.net... > >hD > > >> Or, you could look at today as the day one less high-end Unix5 > > >> (Tru64) looked likely to compete with Windows.d >oJ > More likely that Tru64 will live on. Clustering, process mirroring, etc.( > Could be an interesting mix with HPUX.  8 Now Terry, you know you're supposed to be ignoring me...  K Tru64 suffers in this acquisition from being the technology of the acquireedK rather than the acquirer, from competing with an existing Unix owned by the L acquirer, from being a little-endian system that won't easily be melded withJ the acquirer's big-endian system, from being currently available only on aG lame-duck hardware platform, and from already having given a lot of itsg! differentiating goodies to Linux.    >  >e > Plus the day VMSH > > >> took another step toward oblivion (and thus away from competition > > >> with Windows).n >o- > I'd czech with the COE folks about that....s  G Oblivion in this context does not necessarily mean complete, utter, and(K indisputable death - just a state that ensures that there's nothing Windows6 need worry about.r   >d0 > Plus the day there was one less major softwareE > > >> vendor around who might choose to support something other thaneH > > >> Windows on the desktop.  Plus the day one of the companies givingC > > >> at least lip service to supporting Linux was gobbled up by aoE > > >> company that's apparently considerably less interested in thatB > > >> platform. >d$ > Ask Shane Robinson about Linux....  I Judging from the Alpha debacle and the more recent exodus of much of whateL remained of Compaq's technical fore-brain, I wouldn't rely on his opinion of  whether it was daylight outside.   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:00:44 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>i Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gates>( Message-ID: <9n3te3$b6r$1@pyrite.mv.net>  1 "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote in message 3 news:ubel7.8505$Op6.1711880@typhoon1.gnilink.net..." >rA > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagep8 > news:J_dl7.1228$CR2.2050568@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...K > > > > If Gates thought anything today was worthy of reaction at all, he'sd > > > > celebrating. > > J > > OH, if he's celebrating, he's doing so with his pal McNealy. Note that IPFeL > > now (or soon) will have four enterprise OSEs. HPUX, Tru64, and VMS. ThisI > > certainly adds to the Windoze competition. vAIX/Monterery? Who knows?h >vK > 5 - add Linux and technically 6 if you don't exclude special hardware and  > add NSK...  D But subtract VMS and Tru64 if you've got the sense God gave the cat.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:21:47 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>m Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatesm, Message-ID: <3B957E29.34F0C5A9@videotron.ca>   Jeff Killeen wrote:tK > consider this.  Today is likely the day that Bill Gate's dream of WindowsSM > taking over the datacenter offically died.  Digital, Compaq, and HP had alleN > bet their future in the mid-1990's on Windows 2000 rapidly being accepted inK > the datacenter.  You will note the heavy emphasis on Unix today by CompaqR
 > and HP.   M When did Compaq acquire a UNIX slant ? As far as I know, Compaq's big cheesestN such as Winkler still publicly proclaim that NT will rule the enterprise as it  spreads its sphere of influence.  N Furthermore, Carly tonight on CNN said something like "unlike IBM, we focus onG industry standard solutions and best of breed stuff". To me, that readsq "Wintel servers".n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:34:03 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatesu, Message-ID: <3B958108.58CF8927@videotron.ca>   Bill Todd wrote:E > If Gates thought anything today was worthy of reaction at all, he'so > celebrating.  J Had Carly said: "Combined, we will be large enough to advance new industryJ standards and not depend on a single monopoly for operating systems", then1 yeah, Bill Gates would have had reason to worry. 0  L But instead, she said that they sell industry standard solutions compared toH others which sell proprietary solutions. Bill Gates need not worry in myJ opinion, especially if enough Compaq high end managers pollute HP's ranks.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 02:05:44 GMTa& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatesu9 Message-ID: <YLfl7.8556$Op6.1748111@typhoon1.gnilink.net>e  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3B957E29.34F0C5A9@videotron.ca...G > When did Compaq acquire a UNIX slant ? As far as I know, Compaq's bigl cheesesyJ > such as Winkler still publicly proclaim that NT will rule the enterprise as itl" > spreads its sphere of influence.  L In the new organization Winkler (if he is still around) reports to Blackmore/ now and not Capellas.  Find the name Winkler...   ? http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/presspaq/090401/Investor_Doc.ppt    ...see slide #8A  G > Furthermore, Carly tonight on CNN said something like "unlike IBM, we  focus onI > industry standard solutions and best of breed stuff". To me, that readss > "Wintel servers".t  L You read that wrong - "industry standard solutions" does not equal "industryG standard servers".  Industry standard solutions includes much more thanp
 Microsoft.  1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/21444.html   5 Note how he describes Wintel servers in his letter...S  I We will define the technologies and solutions that transform the business:J and personal experiences of our customers - from fault tolerant servers atF the high end, to powerful UNIX servers in the data center, to industryG standard servers delivering content and Web services at the edge of theo network.  D "Industry standard servers delivering content ... at the edge of theK network" does not sound like the core strategy.  Edge of the network is not,( the technology driving the datacenter...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:34:38 -0400r- From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com>a Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatesh, Message-ID: <3B958F3E.640F546B@peoplepc.com>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:s .i .s .o > J > More likely that Tru64 will live on. Clustering, process mirroring, etc.( > Could be an interesting mix with HPUX. .l .o . J From http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010904/bs/tech_hp_compaq_dc_12.html    A                 "The deal was conceived in a 20 minute phone calloA                 from Fiorina to Capellas in mid-June about Compaqa=                 licensing HP's Unix (news - web sites) servern@                 technology, sources close to negotiations said."  Q If Compaq wanted to buy any part of HP-UX then I guess they felt it was inferior.i  
 Jack Patteeuwe   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 02:46:58 GMT F From: "Randall S. Becker" <r s b e c k e r @n e x b r i d g e . c o m> Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatesi= Message-ID: <Cmgl7.42178$w75.17047706@news3.rdc2.on.home.com>-  2 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message" news:9n3te3$b6r$1@pyrite.mv.net... >u3 > "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote in message15 > news:ubel7.8505$Op6.1711880@typhoon1.gnilink.net...@ > >vC > > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message : > > news:J_dl7.1228$CR2.2050568@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...H > > > > > If Gates thought anything today was worthy of reaction at all, he's > > > > > celebrating. > > >aL > > > OH, if he's celebrating, he's doing so with his pal McNealy. Note that > IPFwI > > > now (or soon) will have four enterprise OSEs. HPUX, Tru64, and VMS.o ThisK > > > certainly adds to the Windoze competition. vAIX/Monterery? Who knows?c > >sI > > 5 - add Linux and technically 6 if you don't exclude special hardwareb ands > > add NSK... >tF > But subtract VMS and Tru64 if you've got the sense God gave the cat.  @ And don't forget who has his 40% claws in Corel's Linux offering   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:20:44 -0500e1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gates-' Message-ID: <3B959A0C.45E47041@fsi.net>,   Jeff Killeen wrote:4 > 4 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message$ > news:9n3jdd$qe4$1@pyrite.mv.net...I > > Or, you could look at today as the day one less high-end Unix (Tru64)  > lookedN > > likely to compete with Windows.  Plus the day VMS took another step towardI > > oblivion (and thus away from competition with Windows).  Plus the day  > thereoI > > was one less major software vendor around who might choose to supportpI > > something other than Windows on the desktop.  Plus the day one of thenL > > companies giving at least lip service to supporting Linux was gobbled up > byN > > a company that's apparently considerably less interested in that platform. > > G > > If Gates thought anything today was worthy of reaction at all, he'si > > celebrating. > I > I don't think so - Using your "logic" there is one less company to push N > Windows datacenter servers and happens to be the company that sells the most$ > IA32 servers in the marketplace...  G Perhaps there are now fewer obstacles to buying VMS outright, somethingh5 M$ seems to have wanted since it hired Dave Cutler...s  ' ...IMHO...FWIW...(probably very little)e   -- I David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsl http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2001 20:55:03 -0700-/ From: mark@dino.cacr.caltech.edu (Mark Bartelt)4 Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatesd0 Message-ID: <9n47mn$33a$1@dino.cacr.caltech.edu>  
 [ Bill Todd ]n  P >>  Or, you could look at today as the day one less high-end Unix (Tru64) lookedN >>  likely to compete with Windows.  Plus the day VMS took another step towardO >>  oblivion (and thus away from competition with Windows).  Plus the day therelI >>  was one less major software vendor around who might choose to supportg0 >>  something other than Windows on the desktop.  1 All the above are probably accurate.  However ...6  I >>                                                Plus the day one of theBO >>  companies giving at least lip service to supporting Linux was gobbled up byeN >>  a company that's apparently considerably less interested in that platform.  O I'd disagree with that last one.  HP's commitment to Linux (recently, at least) P has seemed pretty credible.  They've certainly announced their intent to provideF (and support) all three of {HP-UX,Windows,Linux} on their IPF systems.  P In fact, I've had more confidence in HP's commitment to Linux recently than I'veO had with Compaq's.  A bit of time browsing at http://www.hp.com/products1/linuxhP might at least provide some indication that they're either serious about supportO of Linux, or are doing a really good job of pretending they are.  HP explicitlyeP mentions Linux as one of three co-equal operating systems for IPF at a number ofP places on their web site.  (Of course, anyone who's traveled down the "BoulevardO of Broken Promises" that Compaq led people along might have a good reason to ben5 skeptical of anything that any vendor tells them. ;-)   P Mark Bartelt                                                        626 395 2522P Center for Advanced Computing Research                     mark@cacr.caltech.eduP California Institute of Technology             http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mark  P "Sheep not busy being shorn are busy frying"   --   Dylan, at a NZ lamb barbecueB               [ singing "It's all right, ma (I'm only bleating)" ]   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2001 13:15:33 -07002$ From: JKoska@bender.com (John Koska)' Subject: Re: RMS index file performancee= Message-ID: <aa5ec19e.0109041215.283dd8d5@posting.google.com>e  Z "Kenneth" <best@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<9mr8q0$ja45@imsp212.netvigator.com>...L > I want to investigate the performance of the RMS index file that have beenL > used for a long time. According to the "File Application" manual I have toL > set the file statistic on to the selected file and capature the statistic.I > How do I used with these statistic data? Is there any threshold value ?i  E I did not see a response to your post, no doubt due to HPCompaqmania,  so I will take a stab at it.  D Once you have $ SET FILE/SHARE/STATISTICS on the RMS index file, you@ can use $ MONITOR RMS /ALL /FILE on the RMS index file to gatherE statistics on the files.  The % cache hit should be of interest.  TheoC other statistics would be interesting if you know your application.r  C Since you mention the RMS index file has been used for a long time, 8 has it been converted (ie: $ CONVERT /NOSORT ) recently?  B A useful utility to see if the index file is internally fragmentedF would be RRV.  I am not sure it is in public domain, but if you have aF service agreement with Compaq, then you probably can get it from them.?  I know it is available to folks who have electronic access vianD DSNlink or other.  The RRV utility reports on the relative revectorsA within the RMS file, which can draw down on performance.  Also, I F believe one can see the RRV if one dumps the header on the file, whichD if you are interested in, I leave for someone else to explain (or toD lookup in archives of comp.os.vms via www.google.com or similar).  A- CONVERT on the file would eliminate the RRVs..  B Ideally, you have an optimized FDL file for the RMS index file, soB when you do your CONVERT, you could use it such that the resultingE file not only has no RRVs, but also is "shaped" appropriately for the  use it gets.   :) jck   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:50:57 -0500u1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>.E Subject: Re: Silly names (was: RE: HP to buy Compaq (Globe and Mail))o' Message-ID: <3B959311.DBB2A7DC@fsi.net>a   Nigel Arnot wrote: >  > > L > > I guess the company will continue to retain the HP name, but could it be& > > renamed Hewlett-Compackard ?   :-) > J > My suggestion is CHomPaq, as there will be a lot of chomping and hacking > going on ....t  * Dunno. I was thinking "decHPaq", myself...   --   David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:22:58 GMTy From: LBohan@dbc.spam_less..comeN Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-NOT64DEVFUNC  (versus virtual/logical disks), V7.3 Alpha8 Message-ID: <s5daptsaashq5fpig6tfhiet2us0b5oai1@4ax.com>   Thanks, Glenn.  D to followup, I found the newer vddriver at a couple places, notably:  9 http://montagar.com/decus_swlib/VMSLT96B/GCE96B/VDD64.ZIPu   ************% File LOGDISK:[VDD64]VDDRIVER_64.MAR;2  7   ; .if df,irp$q_qio_p1e@ 8   irp$q_qio_p1_got=0  ;comment this line out for V6 if it gets enabled  9   ; .endci ******% File LOGDISK:[VDD64]VDDRIVER_64.MAR;1E 7    .if df,irp$q_qio_p1@ 8   irp$q_qio_p1_got=0  ;comment this line out for V6 if it gets enabled 
 9    .endc ************  @ On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 10:05:13 -0400, Everhart <ge@gce.com> wrote:  N >There are versions of vddriver that will not generate the complaint about non7 >64 bitness. Look for a later one on recent sigtapes...@ >hJ >Turns out a new FDT entry was added. The newer alpha vddrivers have that. >c >n! >LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com wrote:  >>  ' >> After upgrading to V7.3,  i'm seeingt >>  1 >>  -RMS-F-SYS, QIO system service request failedv8 >>  -SYSTEM-F-NOT64DEVFUNC, 64-bit address not supported! >>   by device for  this functiono >> I7 >> in a few instances, where/when output is directed to 4 >> a 'virtual' disk (via Glenn Everhart's VDDRIVER),? >> or a 'logical' disk  (via Jur van der Burg's LDDRIVER v6.3).5 >> -5 >> Example instances in which I've seen this, so far,:3 >> have been during a (RTR Vv4) PRODUCT INSTALL andeB >> during some (all?) process dumps (ie, after a SET PROCESS/DUMP) >> gC >> 1st thing, obviously, is to look into updated drivers (if avail)v: >> and/or figure out the mods needed for 64 bit addresses. >> o- >> But maybe there was some other work-around D >> I was overlooking.  Rather doubt it,  but thought I'd ask anyway,C >>  in case someone else had ran across these same issues recently)e >>  8 >> %PCSI-I-PRCOUTPUT, output from subprocess follows ...F >> %SYSTEM-F-IMGDMP, dynamic image dump signal at PC=000000000017ABA0, >> PS=0000001B: >> %PROCDUMP-E-WRITEERR, error writing VDA9:[TMP]RTR.DMP;10 >> -RMS-F-SYS, QIO system service request failedE >> -SYSTEM-F-NOT64DEVFUNC, 64-bit address not supported by device forr >> this functionF >> %SYSTEM-F-IMGDMP, dynamic image dump signal at PC=000000000017ABA0, >> PS=0000001B: >> %PROCDUMP-E-WRITEERR, error writing VDA9:[TMP]RTR.DMP;10 >> -RMS-F-SYS, QIO system service request failedE >> -SYSTEM-F-NOT64DEVFUNC, 64-bit address not supported by device foro >> this function >> dC >> %PROCDUMP-E-WRITEERR, error writing LDA1:[PROD.GDAT]ACCVIO.DMP;1i0 >> -RMS-F-SYS, QIO system service request failedE >> -SYSTEM-F-NOT64DEVFUNC, 64-bit address not supported by device fore >> this function> >> %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual= >> address=0000000000000000, PC=FFFFFFFF8098A6A8, PS=0000001B,2 >> %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows< >>   image    module    routine             line      rel PC	 >> abs PCtA >>                                             0 0000000000000000m >> FFFFFFFF8098A6A8tA >>  ACCVIO  ACCVIO  main                    2829 0000000000000100y >> 0000000000020100 A >>  ACCVIO  ACCVIO  __main                     0 000000000000006C  >> 000000000002006CaA >>                                             0 FFFFFFFF802513F4p >> FFFFFFFF802513F4h >> o! >>         image name: "VDDRIVER"r+ >>         image file identification: "X-3"u. >>         image file build identification: ""2 >>         link date/time:  4-OCT-1998 09:39:23.30* >>         linker identification: "A11-39"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:00:24 -0500m1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>R Subject: Re: Terry Shannon' Message-ID: <3B959548.9DE49F2C@fsi.net>l   Drew Shelton wrote:w > = > >Does anyone else on this board miss Terry Shannon?   I do.. >  > [snip] > L > Yes, I do.  I miss his insight and his humor.  I don't blame him for beingL > pissed off because of the flames slung his way lately.  I'd really like to! > hear his take on the HP buyout.d  H Terry's been around, in other threads. These days, he's probably diggingH up everything he can before CETS, now that the merger "cat is out of the bag".S   -- X David J. Dachterah dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/f   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:21:31 +0100a% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>v Subject: Re: Timeline ( Message-ID: <3B951BAA.A3E722@virgin.net>   Jeff Killeen wrote:    > " K > ils down to one issue - do you believe Capellas is a liar? If so then you N > can discount his statement the decision was made before hand.  I am sure theL > black helicopter will see this a Compaq made a deal with HP that if Compaq& > dumps Alpha HP would acquire them...  N I don't think Capellas likes to lie so he words things in such a way that theyN are open to multiple interpretation. "Economical with the truth" as a UK civil servant once put it.  N Would you suggest, having listened to the interview, that Carly sounded in anyN way unhappy about anything Capellas had done? Can you imagine a scenario whereN Capellas killed Alpha and transferred engineers to Intel against the wishes of7 Carly and then Carly immediately offered to buy Compaq.t     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:52:22 GMT-& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> Subject: Re: Timeline09 Message-ID: <Gp9l7.8194$Op6.1625865@typhoon1.gnilink.net>c  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message" news:3B951BAA.A3E722@virgin.net...L > Would you suggest, having listened to the interview, that Carly sounded in anyn/ > way unhappy about anything Capellas had done?   K That is the logic that people use to put forth black helicopter theories  -oH the absence of action is proof i.e. no one has seen these helicopters soJ that proves their are invisible helicopters or a groundhog not leaving itsF hole means 6 more weeks of winter.  Could it be as simple as they just> happen to agree - which is what they claimed started all this?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:53:05 +0100e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>e Subject: Re: Timelineu* Message-ID: <3B953121.555C6F3C@virgin.net>   Jeff Killeen wrote:h   >gH > hole means 6 more weeks of winter.  Could it be as simple as they just@ > happen to agree - which is what they claimed started all this?  L Yes exactly, they both "just happened to agree" that Alpha must go before HP/ would *formally* offer to merge with Compaq. ..p  . No black helicopters were especially involved.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:35:57 GMT & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> Subject: Re: Timelinee9 Message-ID: <NWal7.8275$Op6.1664396@typhoon1.gnilink.net>A  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message$ news:3B953121.555C6F3C@virgin.net... >t >s > Jeff Killeen wrote:e >o > >eJ > > hole means 6 more weeks of winter.  Could it be as simple as they justB > > happen to agree - which is what they claimed started all this? >sK > Yes exactly, they both "just happened to agree" that Alpha must go before/ HP1 > would *formally* offer to merge with Compaq. ..w  I They may have agreed that Alpha must go but the "before HP would formallyg$ offer merge" part is your opinion...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 01:37:52 GMT & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> Subject: Re: Timelinec7 Message-ID: <Qlfl7.167$Vx1.482682@typhoon2.gnilink.net>n  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:2rn9pt0cbgte8dd1rm7ki4a6nn6f4hif2o@4ax.com..., > Bollocks!!!!! Where did you get that from?  J Alan see "Lengthy Courtship" below - otherwise you and Bill Todd will love the article...   September 4, 2001-    H-P's Fiorina Takes On Hefty Job In Turning Around Merged Giant By MOLLY WILLIAMSc) Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL-  I Carly Fiorina hasn't yet proved she can fix the giant Hewlett-Packard Co.oG Can she now turn around an even bigger conglomeration of H-P and Compaqg Computer Corp.?e  K Ms. Fiorina, H-P's chief executive, and Compaq CEO Michael Capellas took tomI the stage and airwaves to make their case for H-P's proposed agreement tooG acquire Compaq. They said the all-stock deal, valued at $20.52 billion,lJ would create a computer hardware, software and services company that would$ be a powerful force in the industry.  J "We start with the core belief that we are creating an absolute powerhouseD in the marketplace," Mr. Capellas said in a joint interview with Ms. Fiorina.L Yet Ms. Fiorina, who was greeted as nothing less than a savior when she tookI the H-P helm in 1999, has shown decidedly mixed results in her efforts toP$ turn around the 62-year-old company.   Spotty Track Records  H Ms. Fiorina, who will be CEO of the combined company, has tried to focusJ more on services, buying companies that help customers set up and maintainL their computers, but has had to ratchet back forecasts for sales growth manyJ times. H-P has lost market share as it has suffered through product delaysJ that have given competitors an edge in some of its most important markets.  9 H-P also had to scotch talks to buy the consulting arm of L PricewaterhouseCoopers late last year after the computer maker's stock price
 fell sharply.tL Meanwhile, the Compaq track record of Mr. Capellas, who will be president ofK the combined company, has been equally spotty. "They are trying to pull offtB one of the biggest technology mergers in one of the most difficultD environments, while both companies individually were struggling withL restructuring," analyst Dan Niles of Lehman Brothers said. "If Carly FiorinaF can pull this off, she will go down as one of the greatest CEOs ever."  D Wall Street was also very skeptical that the task of melding the twoL companies together can be pulled off without a significant loss of sales andH confusion among customers. Investors pushed both stocks to 52-week lows.  E H-P's stock fell $4.34, or 19%, to $18.87 in 4 p.m. composite trading.H Tuesday on the New York Stock Exchange, erasing the premium the deal hadF implied for Compaq's stock. Based on H-P's close, the offer now valuesH Compaq at $11.94 a share, or $20.52 billion, $5 billion less than at theL start of Tuesday's trading. Meanwhile, Compaq fell $1.27, or 10%, to $11.08,& also in 4 p.m. NYSE composite trading.  J As Ms. Fiorina plans her strategy for the merged company, she doesn't haveI many successful case studies among the computer-industry's mergers during H the past 20 years. She has H-P's own experience as a cautionary tale: ItK acquired a computer maker named Apollo Computer Inc. in 1989, but found thehI task of melding the company into H-P far harder than expected. Compaq hassK its own case study: Its 1998 purchase of Digital Equipment Corp. is largelye viewed as a failure.   'Porcupine in a Python'h  K "We know how hard these acquisitions are. Name one successful one in the PCtJ industry -- you can't," said John Loiacano, chief marketing officer at SunK Microsystems Inc., an H-P rival. "People said Compaq merging with DEC was atD pig in a python. Well, this is going to be a porcupine in a python."  L Some big investors are equally dubious. "There is huge execution risk here,"G says portfolio manager Steve Salopek of Banc One Corp., which owned 8.5tJ million shares of H-P as of June 30. He is doubtful there are any benefitsJ to the deal. "All you are creating is a bigger company that isn't crediblyL positioned," he said. "Merging the two together doesn't accelerate growth at either one."  K It certainly will create an 800-pound gorilla of the computer industry. The)L new H-P would be No. 1 in printers, in personal computers and in some of the/ "server" computers that run corporate networks.n  I The new H-P would also be a big force in everything from toner cartridges L and hand-held organizers, to the workhorse computers that can run a bank andJ the storage systems that hold vast amounts of data that companies collect.   Antitrust Questionss  J This newly dominant H-P would certainly raise antitrust questions. FederalJ antitrust enforcers are expected to take a hard look at the deal and couldF demand divestitures of overlapping product lines or technologies. BothJ companies said they were prepared for possible divestitures as a conditionJ of approval but didn't elaborate. But the broader deal could win approval,# antitrust authorities said Tuesday.   K The companies themselves concede that the combined entity won't immediatelyi see a turnaround.   C "A merger between No. 2 and No. 3 in a market historically has beenoF difficult to justify," said Robert Pitofskfy, the former Federal TradeL Commission chairman. "But when we're talking about technology, especially anF area of high tech with low entry barriers, antitrust enforcers and the1 courts may be more willing to take a fresh look."a  L Ms. Fiorina and Mr. Capellas said they expect sales for fiscal 2002 and 2003I at the combined H-P to be lower than if the sales of the two companies ast0 stand-alone entities were simply added together.  B But the CEOs said there will be real cost savings that will createJ efficiencies in the long run. They said they plan to slash 15,000 jobs, orI 10%, at the combined entity, and will see cost savings of $2.5 billion by' 2004.i  J The companies will swap 0.6325 H-P share for each Compaq share, and expectD the deal to close in the first half of next year. The companies have@ appointed Webb McKinney, who was running H-P's business customerL organization, and Jeff Clarke, previously chief financial officer of Compaq, to head up an integration team.g  D The two companies enacted rights plans during the weekend to make itI difficult for rival bidders. In addition, there is a $675 million breakupi fee if the deal is terminated.   Lengthy Courtshipt  I Ms. Fiorina and Mr. Capellas said they first met about 18 months ago at aiK policy meeting in Washington. They hit it off and kept in touch at industryrF events. The current deal grew out of a phone conversation in late JuneF regarding a possible licensing agreement, they said. By July, they hadF hammered out the basics of the deal and brought in bankers. As the twoK executives took the stage to announce details of the agreement in New York,i the Sting song "Brand New Day" played.a  L Analysts, investors and industry executives, though, remain unconvinced thatG this is anything more than the same old song of two desperate companiesl	 tying up.   J "Two losers don't make a winner," said Bob Djurdjevic of Annex Research, aI market-research firm. "There is nothing in this that says there will be ae new strategy."  L Yet Ms. Fiorina is set to be CEO of the giant precisely because she promisedG to bring in a new strategy to H-P two years ago, when she succeeded LewoL Platt as chief executive. H-P had nearly missed the Internet boom, coming toL be seen as a lumbering old company that couldn't move quickly enough to takeK advantage of the burgeoning market for supplying all the hardware, softwareo# and services that companies needed.i  K Ms. Fiorina quickly took steps to restructure H-P. She moved to slash costs K and keep revenue growing, at first winning accolades inside and outside theoH company. But her measures had limited success. Ms. Fiorina gave back herF second-half bonus last year because the company didn't meet its profitK goals. The change was too jarring for some employees, including several topd executives who have since left.n  K H-P has either missed earnings forecasts or warned of lower results for theeF past four quarters. Its market share in servers and PCs fell, and costK controls weren't adequate as sales commissions came in higher than expected J and expenses related to hiring were too high. The company's most lucrativeH business -- inkjet printers and the cartridges of ink that go in them --+ suffered as consumers pulled back spending.i   Gambling on Fiorina   K In fact, some analysts and industry watchers had been speculating in recenttI weeks that Ms. Fiorina was in danger of losing her job. But several boarduL members at H-P later openly expressed their support for her. The Compaq dealC clearly is a gamble on Ms. Fiorina by the boards of H-P and Compaq.sL "This is a bet by the boards of both Compaq and H-P on Carly and her abilityI to prove herself," said Ford Cavallari, an executive with consulting firmm	 Adventis./  I Other CEOs have been successful in similar situations. "When Lou GerstnerDF became CEO of IBM, he had never run a company that big and didn't knowL anything about the computer industry," said Jeffrey Christian, the recruiterL from Christian & Timbers who wooed Ms. Fiorina. And it is unfair to take Ms.F Fiorina to task for H-P's poor performance, given the broader economic? environment that is hurting many technology companies, he said.e  L As Ms. Fiorina seeks to meld the H-P and Compaq cultures, she will certainlyL draw on recent experience. When she arrived at H-P, she faced "the H-P Way,"I the almost-sacrosanct culture of founders David Packard and Bill Hewlett. H She said the culture had become "a gentle bureaucracy of entitlement andG consensus," and she sought to bring it back to its roots of valuing thevC individual, rewarding creativity and focusing on great engineering.e  F Compaq and H-P have long been fiercely competitive rivals, and severalI analysts brought up the point that it may be hard to get the employees to D switch gears and accept each other with open arms. Blending two hugeI organizations -- Compaq has 62,000 workers and H-P has 87,000 -- isn't anRI insignificant part of making the acquisition work. Ms. Fiorina maintainedrH that the melding of the two cultures will go smoothly, because there areH many parallels between them. "This combination is a positive catalyst in) returning to the true H-P Way," she said.   F Industry rivals already were circling, hoping to take advantage of anyG uncertainty to win business from the two companies. Mr. Loiacano of Sun E Microsystems said his company's sales force was "really excited" this.I morning when they heard the news of the merger. Customers of both H-P and K Compaq might be dissuaded from buying from them in the future on account of>@ uncertainties about the deal, he said, opening the door for Sun.J Ms. Fiorina was prepared for the naysayers. In a letter sent to employees,D she said: "Our competitors are going to use every chance they can toK discredit it: They'll say we'll lose focus, they'll say we won't be able to-F execute, they'll say we won't be able to make the tough decisions fast, enough. I believe we will prove them wrong."  F -- Lee Gomes, John Wilke and Joann Lublin contributed to this article.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 01:06:30 GMT-2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>% Subject: Re: Tunneling DECnet over IPY> Message-ID: <qUel7.62302$9W.1065838@sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com>  ! John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:8K > One issue that HECnet is trying to address is connecting various PDP-11'siK > over the Internet.   Most PDP-11's (RSTS/E, various RSX variants, RT-11?) K > support DECnet (Phase IV, but not Phase V), but I don't think any supporttJ > TCP/IP.  (Well, there was a version of TCPWare for RSX, but I don't know > if it still exists.)  F While RT-11 is supposed to have supported DECnet, I've never seen it. H However, my PDP-11/73 running RT-11 talks TCP/IP just fine thanks to theL free stack that's available.  There is even at least one RT-11 system on the# net acting as a Web and FTP server.    			Zanee   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 01:23:45 GMT:L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")% Subject: Re: Tunneling DECnet over IP08 Message-ID: <00A018F7.321BCEFB@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  s In article <qUel7.62302$9W.1065838@sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:e" >John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:L >> One issue that HECnet is trying to address is connecting various PDP-11'sL >> over the Internet.   Most PDP-11's (RSTS/E, various RSX variants, RT-11?)L >> support DECnet (Phase IV, but not Phase V), but I don't think any supportK >> TCP/IP.  (Well, there was a version of TCPWare for RSX, but I don't know  >> if it still exists.)h >tG >While RT-11 is supposed to have supported DECnet, I've never seen it.  I >However, my PDP-11/73 running RT-11 talks TCP/IP just fine thanks to the:M >free stack that's available.  There is even at least one RT-11 system on theu$ >net acting as a Web and FTP server.  L Long ago, my lab used to have asynchronous DECnet support (via a serial cardJ that plugged into the Unibus) on a PDP 11/34s running RT (and also on RSX,L but that's not relevant).  I haven't seen it over Ethernet on RT, but it did work over the serial line.   -- Alan     O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:10:19 GMTo& From: GreyCloud <drholland10@home.com>5 Subject: Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeede( Message-ID: <3B9519CF.4FFA4011@home.com>   Chuck McCrobie wrote:t  J > Now, maybe, with this merger, maybe, maybe some of the business types at$ > Compaq will be seeking employment! >eG > Wishful thinking that HP may actually possibly market and try to grow6B > the OpenVMS market place.  I know nothing of HP, but maybe their* > business types are better than Compaq's! > F > Or it could just be dealing with the devil you don't know instead ofJ > dealing with the devil you do...  But the devil we do know surely wasn'tG > fitting the bill when it comes to OpenVMS.  Perhaps HP will have earseG > AND will listen or maybe they'll just come out and say - migrate fromo > OpenVMS to something else. >r# > Could it be - OpenVMS on PA-RISC?e >a > Well, for now, I'm dancin' >  > Chuck McCrobie  E Unfortunately, Capellas is going to president and CEO over HP-Compaq.?J As long as he's there, I don't see any changes with vms or the alpha line.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:15:07 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>f5 Subject: Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeedn( Message-ID: <9n35ll$b9t$1@pyrite.mv.net>  ; "Chuck McCrobie" <mccrobie@cablespeed.com> wrote in message?( news:3B950EFB.E2E0094D@cablespeed.com...J > Now, maybe, with this merger, maybe, maybe some of the business types at$ > Compaq will be seeking employment! > G > Wishful thinking that HP may actually possibly market and try to grow B > the OpenVMS market place.  I know nothing of HP, but maybe their* > business types are better than Compaq's! > F > Or it could just be dealing with the devil you don't know instead ofJ > dealing with the devil you do...  But the devil we do know surely wasn'tG > fitting the bill when it comes to OpenVMS.  Perhaps HP will have ears G > AND will listen or maybe they'll just come out and say - migrate fromh > OpenVMS to something else. > # > Could it be - OpenVMS on PA-RISC?e >o > Well, for now, I'm dancin'  I I'd have danced too if Capellas hadn't been positioned to be President of K the new entity and Carly didn't sound like as much of an air-head as he is.r; Unfortunately, as it is celebrating seems rather premature.e   - bill   >0 > Chuck McCrobie >m   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2001 13:23:09 -0500D- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeede3 Message-ID: <8Q6pHtfPLaQf@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  _ In article <3B950EFB.E2E0094D@cablespeed.com>, Chuck McCrobie <mccrobie@cablespeed.com> writes:B  # > Could it be - OpenVMS on PA-RISC?e  B If you thought switching to 64-bit addressing was hard, wait until you try big-endian.L   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:33:41 -0400a- From: "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org>a5 Subject: Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeedl+ Message-ID: <sb94e656.063@AAASMTA.aaas.org>e  5 I was under the impression that Alpha was big endian.c  E Thought PA-RISC is at end of life...it's Itanic for all the OSes now.'  E >>> Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> 09/04/2001 2:23:09 PM >>>aL In article <3B950EFB.E2E0094D@cablespeed.com>, Chuck McCrobie <mccrobie@cab= lespeed.com> writes:  # > Could it be - OpenVMS on PA-RISC?   B If you thought switching to 64-bit addressing was hard, wait until you try big-endian.p   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2001 14:38:22 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)a5 Subject: Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeedw3 Message-ID: <xvVktdjvVfIg@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  [ In article <sb94e656.063@AAASMTA.aaas.org>, "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org> writes:b7 > I was under the impression that Alpha was big endian.g > G > Thought PA-RISC is at end of life...it's Itanic for all the OSes now.h > F >>>> Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> 09/04/2001 2:23:09 PM >>>N > In article <3B950EFB.E2E0094D@cablespeed.com>, Chuck McCrobie <mccrobie@cab= > lespeed.com> writes: > $ >> Could it be - OpenVMS on PA-RISC? > D > If you thought switching to 64-bit addressing was hard, wait until > you try big-endian.t  ? Alpha can be used in a big-endian fashion, but VMS uses it in a A little-endian fashion.  This assumption is built into lower-levelaB programs written by thousands of VMS programmers without them ever thinking about it.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:09:39 -0400) From: "Jim Jennis" <jhjennis@shentel.net>t5 Subject: Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeedC/ Message-ID: <tpad4umnpolc99@corp.supernews.com>   J I am waiting to see war break out between OpenVMS and MPE/ix camps as well as Tru64 v HP-UX.g  " This ought to be REAL INTERESTING.   Regards,  " Jim Jennis, Senior Project Manager WRQ Consulting Services, Inc.s 37 W. Bond St. Winchester, VA. 22601 USA.   Phone: +001-540-723-0157 FAX: +001-206-272-1394 Email:jimj@wrq.com       jhjennis@shentel.net Web:   http://www.wrq.com/3 ---------------------------------------------------n; "Chuck McCrobie" <mccrobie@cablespeed.com> wrote in message ( news:3B950EFB.E2E0094D@cablespeed.com...J > Now, maybe, with this merger, maybe, maybe some of the business types at$ > Compaq will be seeking employment! >dG > Wishful thinking that HP may actually possibly market and try to growsB > the OpenVMS market place.  I know nothing of HP, but maybe their* > business types are better than Compaq's! >PF > Or it could just be dealing with the devil you don't know instead ofJ > dealing with the devil you do...  But the devil we do know surely wasn'tG > fitting the bill when it comes to OpenVMS.  Perhaps HP will have ears G > AND will listen or maybe they'll just come out and say - migrate from. > OpenVMS to something else. >W# > Could it be - OpenVMS on PA-RISC?e >a > Well, for now, I'm dancin' >  > Chuck McCrobie >,   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 16:25:43 -0400 ' From: Jim Jennis <jhjennis@shentel.net>t5 Subject: Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeede> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010904162543.00a0dab0@pop.shentel.net>   Hi VMS Colleagues!  J I am waiting to see war break out between OpenVMS and MPE/ix camps as well as Tru64 v HP-UX.i  " This ought to be REAL INTERESTING.   Regards,  " Jim Jennis, Senior Project Manager WRQ Consulting Services, Inc.r 37 W. Bond St. Winchester, VA. 22601 USA.   Phone: +001-540-723-0157 FAX: +001-206-272-1394 Email:jimj@wrq.com       jhjennis@shentel.net Web:   http://www.wrq.com/3 ---------------------------------------------------i; "Chuck McCrobie" <mccrobie@cablespeed.com> wrote in message"( news:3B950EFB.E2E0094D@cablespeed.com...J > Now, maybe, with this merger, maybe, maybe some of the business types at$ > Compaq will be seeking employment! >rG > Wishful thinking that HP may actually possibly market and try to growaB > the OpenVMS market place.  I know nothing of HP, but maybe their* > business types are better than Compaq's! >iF > Or it could just be dealing with the devil you don't know instead ofJ > dealing with the devil you do...  But the devil we do know surely wasn'tG > fitting the bill when it comes to OpenVMS.  Perhaps HP will have earsdG > AND will listen or maybe they'll just come out and say - migrate froma > OpenVMS to something else. >i# > Could it be - OpenVMS on PA-RISC?h >o > Well, for now, I'm dancin' >h > Chuck McCrobie >'      " Jim Jennis, Senior Project Manager WRQ Consulting Services, Inc.n 37 W. Bond St. Winchester, VA. 22601 USA.   Phone: +001-540-723-0157 FAX: +001-206-272-1394 Email:jimj@wrq.com c       jhjennis@shentel.net Web:   http://www.wrq.com/F ---------------------------------------------------                      ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2001 15:29:29 -0500i- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o5 Subject: Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeed 3 Message-ID: <cgspDkz7TZBe@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  [ In article <sb94e656.063@AAASMTA.aaas.org>, "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org> writes:tN > In article <3B950EFB.E2E0094D@cablespeed.com>, Chuck McCrobie <mccrobie@cab= > lespeed.com> writes: > $ >> Could it be - OpenVMS on PA-RISC? > D > If you thought switching to 64-bit addressing was hard, wait until > you try big-endian.  >   B   Once upon a time HP made a bi-endian PA-RISC.  They thought theyE   wanted to run WNT on it.  Maybe they have a few laying around that r   didn't sell.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:44:15 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>5 Subject: Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeedi= Message-ID: <z2bl7.55647$9W.872092@sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com>   ( Jim Jennis <jhjennis@shentel.net> wrote:L > I am waiting to see war break out between OpenVMS and MPE/ix camps as well > as Tru64 v HP-UX.i  J On the UNIX side, it's more than just Tru64 vs. HP-UX, you've also got theJ Tandem UNIX (what's it called?  Nonstop I think), and Linux.  Unless thereK are contractual obligations that keep them alive, I think it's safe to say f  there will be some fallout here.  4 As for OpenVMS and MPE/ix, I'm nervous, but hopeful.  $ > This ought to be REAL INTERESTING.  K That's for sure.  All I know is the sooner they put out statements on stuffe like OpenVMS the better!   			Zaneh   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:07:19 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>d5 Subject: Re: Why continue with VMS - new hope, indeedi, Message-ID: <3B95508B.2774101A@videotron.ca>   Chuck McCrobie wrote:"G > Wishful thinking that HP may actually possibly market and try to growrB > the OpenVMS market place.  I know nothing of HP, but maybe their* > business types are better than Compaq's!  K Stop the wishful thinking. Assume it is business as usual (eg: VMS ignored)a* until proven differently by the new owner.  I When Compaq bought Digital, we were all hoping that Compaq's bright folksoH would quickly kill off the Digital disease and faulty DNA that preventedG marketing. Instead, the first thing Compaq did was hire DEC's marketingtG company and it was downhill ever since. Many of the DEC folks that wereeG against VMS stayed at Compaq because they got along with the PC centricy powerbrokers at the top.  M They is going to be a lot of brownnosing by the wintel folks at Compaq to getdK their jobs at HP and they will succeed. Poor chaps like Gorham and MarcelloaJ will be relegated to obscure positions in the basement with no real power.  M HP would need to know ASAP about the bad people at Compaq. If it doesn't killlK them now, Compaq will end up putting the Winklers of Compaq in positions ofw- power and HP will inherit the Compaq disease.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:35:47 GMTf2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)@ Subject: Re: Will Mozilla ever run without crashing DECW server?3 Message-ID: <7a9l7.1194$bB1.47778@news.cpqcorp.net>s  k In article <eB5l7.1173$bB1.47543@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:T :Have you filed a bug report?m      The CLUE CRASH from the crash?8   Do you have all mandatory ECO kits for V7.2-1 applied?  / :Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote in messagee ..K :>OpenVMS V7.2-1, AlphaStation 200 4/233, ZLXp-E3, 384MB RAM, lots and lots F :>of SCSI disk space, and entire RZ29B devoted to pagefile, DECWindowsL :>V1.2-5, TCP/IP 5.0A, and SYSGEN and SYSTEM processes quotas at rediculous 	 :>levels.c ..    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:11:03 GMTt= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)f@ Subject: Re: Will Mozilla ever run without crashing DECW server?0 Message-ID: <00A018DC.46F104B8@SendSpamHere.ORG>  h In article <7a9l7.1194$bB1.47778@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:l >In article <eB5l7.1173$bB1.47543@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes: >:Have you filed a bug report? >t! >  The CLUE CRASH from the crash?s9 >  Do you have all mandatory ECO kits for V7.2-1 applied?e  ? When the DECWindows server crashes, it induces no system crash.h   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMm            hJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesn   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:02:02 GMTl% From: Mike Mohr <Mike.Mohr@aut.ac.nz>n- Subject: Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaqs) Message-ID: <3B9540DD.3A24D5EC@aut.ac.nz>i   Steve Leibel wrote:    >rG > And so Tandem, which was started by HP alumni in 1974, returns to HP.t  C Didn't Digital Equipment Corp get its start as HP's System Printers B division?  Back in the days when HP2000F Access was the machine of6 choice, DEC printers were your only peripheral option.  @ ================================================================@ Mike Mohr, Systems Administrator  === Email: Mike.Mohr@aut.ac.nz@ Information Technology Group      === Phone: 64 9 917-9999 x8133: Auckland University of Technology === Fax:   64 9 917-9901% PO Box 92006, Auckland, New Zealand = " http://home.aut.ac.nz/staff/mmohr/@ ================================================================C Chaos reigns within.  Repent, reflect, reboot.  Order shall return.n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:27:31 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>3- Subject: Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy CompaqH( Message-ID: <9n3gue$ok0$1@pyrite.mv.net>  2 "Mike Mohr" <Mike.Mohr@aut.ac.nz> wrote in message# news:3B9540DD.3A24D5EC@aut.ac.nz...s > Steve Leibel wrote:a >n > >TI > > And so Tandem, which was started by HP alumni in 1974, returns to HP.  >pE > Didn't Digital Equipment Corp get its start as HP's System PrintersoD > division?  Back in the days when HP2000F Access was the machine of8 > choice, DEC printers were your only peripheral option.  K DEC got its start in 1957 building circuit boards.  In the 1960s it createdlK the minicomputer industry and became the premier minicomputer manufacturer,TJ in the '70s it added thriving terminal and printer businesses, and by 1980 the dominant super-mini.   - bill   >SB > ================================================================B > Mike Mohr, Systems Administrator  === Email: Mike.Mohr@aut.ac.nzB > Information Technology Group      === Phone: 64 9 917-9999 x8133< > Auckland University of Technology === Fax:   64 9 917-9901' > PO Box 92006, Auckland, New Zealand =t$ > http://home.aut.ac.nz/staff/mmohr/B > ================================================================E > Chaos reigns within.  Repent, reflect, reboot.  Order shall return.  >a >I   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:46:08 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>k- Subject: Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq1, Message-ID: <3B954B95.66A0FD63@videotron.ca>   andrew harrison wrote: > >     - Printer business > ; >                 Hurrah a single product group where theree( >                 isnt much commonality.  3 It will be interesting to see what happens to DCPS.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:16:42 GMTh4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>- Subject: Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy CompaqI< Message-ID: <K9el7.1232$CR2.2055685@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:c6++ipTJBb9o@eisner.encompasserve.org...=< > In article <9n26g8$9oj$1@neptunium.btinternet.com>, "Daza"! <blahblah@btinternet.com> writes:L >oJ > > I imagine that the one time cost of porting OpenVMS to IA64 will still; > > make sense.  Don't expect any new functionality though.= >=D > I am not inclined to place much faith in someone who does not sign
 > their name.   J Name or no name, the port has begun. T64 will port faster (thanks, Bravo),K bu there's no reason VMS can't or won't. Pissing off a 450K user base wouldC not be a wise thing to do....c   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:17:58 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>- Subject: Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq < Message-ID: <Wael7.1234$CR2.2056216@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  ( Not necessarily. Ask the heathen Chinee!7 "cjt & trefoil" <cheljuba@prodigy.net> wrote in message $ news:3B950C36.230BCA8@prodigy.net...I > Furthermore, does seeing a name on an e-mail mean that a person by that  name > posted it? >i
 > Daza wrote:w > >t> > > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message1 > > news:c6++ipTJBb9o@eisner.encompasserve.org...f@ > > > In article <9n26g8$9oj$1@neptunium.btinternet.com>, "Daza"% > > <blahblah@btinternet.com> writes:n > > > H > > > > I imagine that the one time cost of porting OpenVMS to IA64 will	 > > stillo? > > > > make sense.  Don't expect any new functionality though.r > > >pH > > > I am not inclined to place much faith in someone who does not sign > > > their name.l > >dH > > Does knowing someone's name somehow invoke personal knowledge of theH > > qualities of that person?  I wish that were true, life would be veryL > > easy.  Besides, the name that I wish to be known by is my choice.  Also,E > > if a name is so important, why not publish a contact name on youry > > company website? > >eI > > And yes, I am using a dummy email address, as I never want to receiveeI > > unsolicited email.  I notice that you choose to avoid using your realmG > > email address and use a Spamcop.net account in an attempt to filter F > > unsolicited email.  However, you have given enough details in yourK > > posting to figure out (automatically) likely candidates for your domaini > > and mailbox name.n > > H > > Seeing as you work for a VMS security products organisation, I wouldH > > have thought you would appreciate securing electronic addresses from > > unwanted eyes?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:22:18 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>- Subject: Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq 6 Message-ID: <1010904201517.18840A-100000@Ives.egh.com>   On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Daza wrote:e  < > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message/ > news:c6++ipTJBb9o@eisner.encompasserve.org...0> > > In article <9n26g8$9oj$1@neptunium.btinternet.com>, "Daza"# > <blahblah@btinternet.com> writes:d > > F > > > I imagine that the one time cost of porting OpenVMS to IA64 will > still0= > > > make sense.  Don't expect any new functionality though.r > >BF > > I am not inclined to place much faith in someone who does not sign > > their name.  > F > Does knowing someone's name somehow invoke personal knowledge of theF > qualities of that person?  I wish that were true, life would be veryJ > easy.  Besides, the name that I wish to be known by is my choice.  Also,C > if a name is so important, why not publish a contact name on yours > company website? > G > And yes, I am using a dummy email address, as I never want to receiveSG > unsolicited email.  I notice that you choose to avoid using your real9E > email address and use a Spamcop.net account in an attempt to filter D > unsolicited email.  However, you have given enough details in yourI > posting to figure out (automatically) likely candidates for your domainl > and mailbox name.p > F > Seeing as you work for a VMS security products organisation, I wouldF > have thought you would appreciate securing electronic addresses from > unwanted eyes?  E Everyone on this group knows Larry.  No one knows who you really are.cC Maybe you know what you are talking about.  Maybe you don't.  MaybesC you have ulterior motives in your posts.  Maybe you don't.  Give usn; one good reason why we should listen to *anything* you say.   @ If you have to remain anonymous because of your job, say so, and? give us enough background so we can assess your qualifications.s> You don't have to reveal your employer or your real name.  (IfB you lie, that will be pretty obvious very soon and no one will pay any attention to you.)  > No one is asking you to reveal your email address.  We can all$ communicate just fine through c.o.v.   -- i John Santose Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:20:16 GMTr4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>- Subject: Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq < Message-ID: <4del7.1237$CR2.2057190@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  F Sun? Geeaze, isn't that the one firm that contrinues to eschew IPF:? IK Eagerly aw3ait UltraSprac IV, nerw and improved with OOE. BUt heck, I'll bea retired by then!1 "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote in messagee3 news:N07l7.8143$Op6.1572114@typhoon1.gnilink.net...s >i? > "andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in message & > news:3B94F5AC.6105D289@uk.sun.com... > > Jeff Killeen wrote:c > > > > > > > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message3 > > > news:wPnHyUluL3x5@eisner.encompasserve.org...o$ > > > > Dell is responsible for thisL > > > > merger as much as the economy.  By combining and slashing, HP/CompaqI > > > > may actually be able to make "break even" in PCs which would be ag > > > > big plus.  > > > K > > > Dell likely forced the day of recognizing for both Compaq and HP.  It  > placedF > > > both in the position of either having to dramatically shrink (by pullingaJ > > > back their PC business) or do something drastic.  But what is likelyG > > > responsible for the merger is Unix.  Compaq's strategy required a  strongB > > > data center Unix and Tru64 wasn't getting there fast enough. > > > B > > > DigitalTandemCompaqApolloHP Inc. now has a truly credible... > > >p > > >     - Unix PlatformW > >o > > Tru64, HP-UX, Linux- > >e > > >     - Storage Solution > > . > > Storage works, HDS, SHARK, HP Fibre arrays > >-$ > > >     - Mainframe Class Platform > >0 > > WildFire, SuperDomee > >s > > >     - Services Group > >n > > Compaq Services, HP PS.d > >  > > >     - Mangement Software > >0# > > HP OpenView, Compaq Insight etcl > >e > > >     - PC Platform  > >r	 > > Dittow > >p > > >     - Handheld Platform  > >u > > Jornado, Ipaqs > >t > > >     - Printer business > >,- > > Hurrah a single product group where theres > > isnt much commonality. > >d@ > > The point of this is both companies had all the elements youA > > covered in your list, with the possible exception of printing E > > before the HP purchase so if this was the purpose of the purchase-, > > it seems to be a mistake from the start. >oJ > While there was overlap clearly there were winner and losers.  Lets take onehL > that shouldn't start a religious war - the iPAQ handheld was clearly doingK > better in the marketplace than the HP handheld - which bring me to what I  > said before... >hH > "...hopefully DigitalTandemCompaqApolloHP Inc. will be smart enough toJ > develop a culture that lets it star strategic technologies rise to their ownlG > level without, having them held back by legacy tactical technologies,e whiledH > allowing the legacy tactical technologies to function as a business on theirlK > own.  Digital was never very good at this.  IBM has always been very gooda at
 > this..." > J > From that list above you posted they have to run with the likely winners in. > the marketplace (e.g. HP-UX versus Tru64)... >  >n >  >i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:24:39 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>- Subject: Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq < Message-ID: <bhel7.1240$CR2.2059142@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  = "andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in message-$ news:3B94CB80.D544FF7B@uk.sun.com... > Rob Young wrote: > > L > > In article <gurman-520E88.23474703092001@news.crosslink.net>, "Joseph B.  Gurman" <gurman@ari.net> writes:) > > >     Just saw this story on CNN.com.n > > >aL > > >     VERY odd, after seeing at least one (if not several) business-pageF > > > columns adivisng HP to get out of the PC and server business andG > > > concentrate on their core business --- printers. But I guess thato3 > > > wouldn't be big enough for Ms. Fiorina's ego.a > > >nJ > > >     My first reaction on seeing the news was that the worst large PCK > > > company, Dell, and the next to worst large unix company, Sun, will bebG > > > the only ones left standing if there are a couple of bad years to- follow.-J > > > I can only shudder to think what people who couldn't figure out what to' > > > do with HP will think of OpenVMS.u > > >VJ > >         This is so funny.  I'm sitting here chuckling.  Their combinedG > >         revenues are $87 billion dollars.  It will take a decade of H > >         screw-ups and tremendous Sun growth to reach parity.  Relax. > >i > D > Do you remember HP's purchase of Apollo. Prior to HP buying ApolloE > Sun was the largest Workstation vendor, Apollo second and HP third.eD > After the purchase the combined HP/Apollo workstation division wasF > the largest workstation vendor for only 1 quarter and 18 months intoB > the deal all HP had ended up doing was eliminating a competitor. >NA > This may not happen in this case but it is also highly unlikelym? > that the combined HP-Compaq revenues will be equal to the sum-> > of the parts. It has never happened in the past, either with! > Compaq->Digital or with Unisys.e  C And let's not forget that Sun VERY Successfully transitioned from as workstation to a server vendor.r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:40:07 -0400+ From: "Roy Nicholas" <roy.nicholas@rcn.com>M- Subject: Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaqe+ Message-ID: <9n3vpo$qvi$1@bob.news.rcn.net>a  2 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message" news:9n3016$5l2$1@pyrite.mv.net... >rI > > Himalaya - HP don't have an equivalent product.  I think this will belH > > the least affected business unit.  Hopefully, HP will accelerate theJ > > resurgence of this platform.  Himalaya can take business away from SunA > > and IBM at the high end.  Just look at the recent Sabre deal.r >nK > Not clear how much market-share expansion is possible there:  it's a kinde ofJ > specialized platform.  But if HP has any sense at all, it won't screw it up# > (even Compaq knew enough not to).s >  > - bill >dJ I agree with much of what you've written here about the HP / Compaq buyoutH and its implications.  My background has been in the Tandem / Himalaya /I NonStop arena, and I mildly disagree with your statement that Compaq kneweL enough not to screw it up.  From my perspective, it took Compaq two to threeH years to stop destroying the Tandem business unit (TBU).  For a while itJ seemed like Compaq siphoned off all the TBU revenues to fund their failingH PC / Server business and left the TBU without the support or development  resources it desperately needed.  K Hopefully HP, with its longer experience in the enterprise datacenter, will5 do better than Compaq did.     Roy Nicholas   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:48:28 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> - Subject: Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy CompaqB( Message-ID: <9n43o5$fjc$1@pyrite.mv.net>  6 "Roy Nicholas" <roy.nicholas@rcn.com> wrote in message% news:9n3vpo$qvi$1@bob.news.rcn.net...    ...a  L > I agree with much of what you've written here about the HP / Compaq buyoutJ > and its implications.  My background has been in the Tandem / Himalaya /K > NonStop arena, and I mildly disagree with your statement that Compaq knew H > enough not to screw it up.  From my perspective, it took Compaq two to three-J > years to stop destroying the Tandem business unit (TBU).  For a while itL > seemed like Compaq siphoned off all the TBU revenues to fund their failingJ > PC / Server business and left the TBU without the support or development" > resources it desperately needed.  G Mea culpa:  I didn't start paying any attention to Compaq until the DECnJ acquisition occurred, and not much to the Tandem division for another yearG or so - by which time it seemed to be running along at least relatively : unscathed compared with the treatment of the DEC products.   - bill   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.493 ************************ort? >t! >  The CLUE CRASH from the crash?s9 >  Do you have all mandatory ECO kits for V7.2-1 applied?e  ? When the DECWindows server crashes, it induces no system crash.h   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMm            hJ   "And of course, I'